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Looks to be a hit? A lot of shows have looked to be a hit. Most recently, the rebooted "V" series debuted with numbers similar to the new 5-0, but the audience dropped by almost 50% before the end of it's rocky season making it very close to getting cancelled.
Dalen Quaice
Burbank, CA USA - Saturday, September 25, 2010 at 18:38:19 (PDT)
I really feel sorry for all you pathetic dinosaurs who can't quite grasp the fact that Hawaii Five-0 had been redone AND looks to be a hit. Why bother posting your inane rants about what you think is wrong with the new show when you had no intention of giving it a chance in the 1st place? And honestly, it's 2010...why the hell would anyone use the Mort Stevens 60's crappy lounge music? Jack Lord is dead, get over it.
Keepin' it real
United Federation of Planets, - Saturday, September 25, 2010 at 17:57:44 (PDT)
..Oh and I also enjoyed the new Mission Impossible tv show-NO not the film-the reboot, but the one with Peter Graves; they maintained the spirit of the original without totally updating each and everything.
KD MCG
Ohana, ohana oh no!!! - Saturday, September 25, 2010 at 16:35:14 (PDT)
Peter Lenkov is a TV icon? Nice one. ROFLMAO
Dalen Quaice
Burbank, CA USA - Saturday, September 25, 2010 at 15:25:31 (PDT)
Peter thank you ;)
Now book 'em Danno for impersonating a television icon.
KDMCG
MCG, got to the bottom of it Chin! - Saturday, September 25, 2010 at 15:17:51 (PDT)
KDMCG:
Yes. I am Peter Lenkov. Nice to meet you.
Keeping It Real
LA, CA USA - Saturday, September 25, 2010 at 15:09:06 (PDT)
@keeping it real "pitied?" "pitied?" and now I do something that i rarely do as i sit quietly in the background and survey. Pitied? Okay, stop your shilling on behalf of Hollywood-are you Peter Lenkov?
Now in MCG style-imagine the original uttering this:
"Who the hell are you to pass judgment on us? What, because we have differing opinions? Actually, many of us watched it as you would see; some did not approach with a preconceived notion, but as a stand-alone and the problem is the show is cliched-as somebody (not me) said on a site (will find link) a white man's bad boys alluding to the banter. So what if it had the highest ratings; come on-spend millions of promotion and publicity and you are likely to watch it."
Let us see how consistent they can be-remember Knight Rider? the only thing about the show is that they have put together an action-comedy parody of the original-and that is all. The writing isn't tight and isn't expected to be either. This is not the "same comfort food" that Orci and Kurtzman spoke about. This is an entirely different meal.
I liked the new Star Trek reboot, BUT this one seems like a turn-off; yes, i will watch "Ohana" this Monday, but the clips aren't endearing enough and actually i think that i will switch off after this Monday; nothing compelling and the banter between MCG "Ergo?" is going to get tiresome after a few episodes. In other words, they need to tone it down as MCG gets used to the idea of being a vigilante cop and actually shows leadership.
All this negativity toward the new show. Tsk. Tsk. Admit it. You were never going to give it a chance. You think they can do the old H50 and it would be a hit today? NOT.
They have to appeal to a much more tech savvy and sophisticated audience than in the seventies when we were young.
Luckily your complaints fall on deaf ears because our demographic is unimportant to the advertisers who want the 18-49 year old viewer.
I see both shows as great for their eras and should be honored as such.
The new show came out as the #1 new show. Now it needs to maintain a viewership and build the characters. Thank God for you they didn't drop the original after a couple of episodes like they do nowadays because we would never have had the original for so long. Its first episodes were not popular and by today's standards the series would have been canceled before it could gel the characters.
I hope CBS gives the new one a full chance to develop because I enjoy a fun romp in fantasy and pretend. There is enough bad stuff today and we all need a place to forget our daily lives and have fun. H50 is providing that and bringing the name to the forefront again. It is all good. But if you are determined to hate it you will.
And those people can only be pitied because they can not love old and new and enjoy both.
Pity? Actually, hope it works for Alex O's career and for Hawai'i's economy.
KDMCG
stop, the shilling.. - Saturday, September 25, 2010 at 14:55:39 (PDT)
I have season 1 of the original and if you watched them closely they varied in action and ideas I think they used that to gauge what things were liked more than others.maybe they will try this with H50 2.0 I also noticed in different seasons McGarret would say Book em Dano but then not say it again for a long long time, I often wondered what order they filmed it in, because they were not exactly synchronized if you pay very close attention to vehicle or time frame details such as Steves hair style and aging looks you can almost see it on the dvd covers themselves for different series
DJ
Kalamazoo, MI USA - Saturday, September 25, 2010 at 13:19:42 (PDT)
I'm sure the producers of the new show are tickled pink with the music from the new pilot. Therefore, I would say there is about a 1% chance of old music from the series being reused.
On the brightside... It won't last beyond 6 episodes anyway!
Dalen Quaice
Burbank, CA USA - Saturday, September 25, 2010 at 11:33:57 (PDT)
Re: "At one point the bartender hears the lead refered to as "McGarret" and says, "wait a minute! You are no relation to Steve McGarret? Head of Five-0 for over 12 years?"
Ah, Boris! You make my heart sing! ROFL
Mike, writing is an academic study, just as music is. I agree re: the music. If they can't swing for good new music, they should use compositions from 1.0. It was effective, it was stunning, and it was award-winning.
H50 1.0 FOREVER
MY HEART IS IN, HAWAI`I - Saturday, September 25, 2010 at 11:31:13 (PDT)
Forever, you seem to be reading an awful lot into the new show based on the pilot episode. You should not forget that the original Five-O pilot -- described by Karen Rhodes in her book as "a James Bond fantasy outing" -- was quite different in tone than the rest of the series.
As far as the story structure is concerned, I have never looked at police dramas in this fashion, and don't expect to start now. Cop shows are largely entertainment to me, not an academic exercise.
In her book, Rhodes expounds on the concept of "the Process" -- the way the Five-O team under the direction of McGarrett figured out cases. Whether this was something unique to Five-O, or whether Five-O was the first cop show to make a big deal out of this concept, I don't know (maybe I should read her book again ":-). There is no doubt that much of the old show's success was due to the way this concept worked.
I am completely in agreement with you as far as the use of music is concerned. As I indicated a few postings ago, the music in the pilot was crap, which is very surprising considering how much of a "labor of love" this show was to create, according to the producers and writers.
Inasmuch as CBS owns the old music tracks, many of which were used in multiple shows to accompany vastly different action on the screen, if the producers are too lazy to hire someone to create quality music for the show, I wonder if it would work if they used some of the old tracks? (I am quite serious here.)
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Saturday, September 25, 2010 at 09:09:27 (PDT)
It's interesting that it's in competition with Monday Night Football.
I think it would be funny if during one episode they had some defensive lineman come tearing through the set in full uniform. It causes total chaos and Steve Mcgarett (who is now this Australian guy) has to get on the scene. A little later you Steve, Kono and the gang chillin' with some NFL players at the Ilakai lounge.
At one point the bartender hears the lead refered to as "McGarret" and says, "wait a minute! You are no relation to Steve McGarret? Head of Five-0 for over 12 years?" Everyone starts laughing. A little later you see Kono heading up to a room with a couple nose tackles.
boris
spfld, ma usa - Saturday, September 25, 2010 at 08:44:27 (PDT)
@jim (Honolulu) "too much sex and violence in this version"
Too much sex...huh?? Did I miss that part because the only thing I saw was when Kono had to take off her dress. What she had on was the equivalent to any swimsuit seen on any beach. So, I guess I missed all the sex. Watch any daytime soap and then you can say too much sex. But in this pilot episode? I don't think so.
Barbara
Chicago, IL USA - Saturday, September 25, 2010 at 08:17:39 (PDT)
I like what Anne of Florida said. I, too, would like to like the new show, but it's going to have to be dialed back and mellowed down before I can like it.
First, I agree that there is too much chatter. An entire program of non-stop conversation that does not contribute to the story is exhausting. Here, good music and interesting scenery can speak volumes. Good music helps to tell the story, to set the mood. For example, listen to the music in 1.0's "How to Steal a Masterpiece." The opening composition not only bespeaks "cat burglar," but the stops and starts mirror those of the burglars as they creep across a rooftop, leap to the ground, etc. It is much more effective than having the burglars speak to each other ("Watch out for that guard." "I see him. I see him. Okay?"). As for scenery, in Hawai`i, that is no problem.
Then, the violence needs to be dialed back. Yes, law enforcement is a violent profession, but a detective show should have mostly investigation with violence either establishing a need for the investigation or coming about when arrests are made. Violence should not fill the hour simply to entertain. As someone said, this is not a video game.
Finally, there is a serious need for story structure. Jack spoke of the format being "as rigid as a sonnet." What he meant is that television dramas, like novels, follow a specific format. It is made up of three acts each containing three scenes. Act 1 comprises hook, back story,and trigger. The hook pulls you into the story (The cat burglars make off with a Gauguin and a Lautrec). The back story tells how the hook came about and/or about the characters in the story (The plans for the security system were accessible to almost anybody. Anyone in the Ogden household had an opportunity and, therefore, is suspect). The trigger is an event that propels the protagonist into Act 2 (Charles Ogden doesn't want to work through McGarrett. Is he Dominick Vashon with a different name?). To make a long story short, Act 2 comprises crisis, struggle, and the epiphany, while Act 3 comprises the plan for taking action on the light he has seen, the climax, and the ending. A story that follows that format leaves the viewer feeling satisfied. There has been a problem with an acceptable resolution.
Any program worth watching needs all of these elements if it is to catch the viewer's attention and hold it for a full hour and especially through the many commercial breaks. It also must play fairly with the viewer. Throwing in red herrings is one thing, but leaving the viewer wondering whether the protagonist isn't actually the antagonist is quite a different matter. Quite frankly, after Monday night's airing, I was ready to call the HPD to be on the lookout for four psychopathic nuts, who cursed the governor, slugged each other, and punched out a surfer (probably a tourist, and we know how the governor feels about preserving tourism).
H50 1.0 FOREVER
MY HEART IS IN, HAWAI`I - Saturday, September 25, 2010 at 06:08:10 (PDT)
Fantastic show!
Dave Hirsch
Northridge, CA USA - Saturday, September 25, 2010 at 00:30:16 (PDT)
All this negativity toward the new show. Tsk. Tsk. Admit it. You were never going to give it a chance. You think they can do the old H50 and it would be a hit today? NOT.
They have to appeal to a much more tech savvy and sophisticated audience than in the seventies when we were young.
Luckily your complaints fall on deaf ears because our demographic is unimportant to the advertisers who want the 18-49 year old viewer.
I see both shows as great for their eras and should be honored as such.
The new show came out as the #1 new show. Now it needs to maintain a viewership and build the characters. Thank God for you they didn't drop the original after a couple of episodes like they do nowadays because we would never have had the original for so long. Its first episodes were not popular and by today's standards the series would have been canceled before it could gel the characters.
I hope CBS gives the new one a full chance to develop because I enjoy a fun romp in fantasy and pretend. There is enough bad stuff today and we all need a place to forget our daily lives and have fun. H50 is providing that and bringing the name to the forefront again. It is all good. But if you are determined to hate it you will.
And those people can only be pitied because they can not love old and new and enjoy both.
Keeping It Real
LA , CA USA - Friday, September 24, 2010 at 22:28:25 (PDT)
@ Anne-a fellow Floridian! Yes, i feel that Alex O' has something scandalous on the CBS suits, which means they are forced to give me a show lol. He doesn't do MCG for me-he comes across as very bland-lacks range and i don't find him exciting. Good actor-great?-not as MCG so far.
Agree with somebody in one of the reviews who mentioned that the pilot had hackneyed writing; i am not saying there were not enjoyable elements, but as spmebody mentioned this was "shoehorned" into the Five-O myth.
There is far too much banter; they need to be a more serious team, which alas i don't see happening; contrary to some, Ed Bernero's version would have stayed true to the spirit of the show-after all, he created Hotch in criminal minds.
KD MCG
Hawaii, Five o is back or is it? - Friday, September 24, 2010 at 21:24:12 (PDT)
Does anyone feel like CBS is forcing the issue of having Alex O in a TV series down our throats? This is CBS's 3rd try and I would not have envisoned A.O. in the role of Steve. I like Alex, (thought he was great in Moonlight) but this seems forced.
I also noticed the lack of Five-O flavored incidental music and posted my comment on CBS's facebook. I didn't care for the generic noise they used; can turn on my radio for that. This should have been a 90 minute pilot to give us some time to get to know what's new and what's not.
I really want to like this version, and I will keep watching for next few episodes. If nuFive-O doesn't develope some type of heart, I'm gone and will enjoy my H5O DVDs even more.
Anne
Tangerine, FL USA - Friday, September 24, 2010 at 20:48:54 (PDT)
You can tell me bout the new show, Hans. You wanna talk to Big Chicken, all you gotta do is ask :)
I did happen to tune in Monday to give the new show a shot. Regrettably I found the remake to be the broadcast equivalent of a knockoff handbag - a shoddy imitation lacking in the quality and craftsmanship of the original.
I find this whole notion of reboots disingenuous, I mean you remake a show and then say it ain’t a remake. The rebooters went ahead and created these elaborate back stories for Steve, Danno & Chin but last I looked Steve, Danno & Chin were already existing characters that we all know, who had quite long TV shelf lives.
You can't mess with an iconic character like Steve McGarrett, he's part of the popular mythology. He's an ironclad, buy-the-book, mean mutha-flower servant o' the law. Now we just supposed to accept him as some trigger-happy hot-head?
From the total absence of the spirit or feel of the original, you could tell the remakers ain’t down with Five-O. Many posters have articulated their disappointment with the new show much better than me.
I agree with Katherine Turney’s comments that “What we really have here, overall, is a generic cop show shoehorned into the FIVE-O mythos to elevate viewership.”
A ‘generic cop show,’ now that’s certainly something the Real Hawaii Five-O never was.
Big Chicken
Seattle, WA- Keepin It real with The REAL Hawaii Five-O - Friday, September 24, 2010 at 20:25:22 (PDT)
it's more action and less thinking than the original...it's early to make a definitive judgment
ARLENE
NEW PORT RICHEY, FL USA - Friday, September 24, 2010 at 19:15:47 (PDT)
Must be a slow night this Saturday. From CBS press release:
CBS will rebroadcast the HAWAII FIVE-0 premiere on Saturday, Sept. 25 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT).
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Friday, September 24, 2010 at 16:02:38 (PDT)
Yes, Steven, as soon as the new Hawaii Five-no is cancelled in 6 episodes! LOL
Dalen Quaice
Burbank, CA USA - Friday, September 24, 2010 at 15:46:59 (PDT)
Do you think we'll ever get around to talking about the old Hawaii Five-O again?
Steven
Miami, FL USA - Friday, September 24, 2010 at 15:29:01 (PDT)
If anyone has Comcast and you missed the premiere, it's available for free on demand. Loved it!
Aunt Clara
Nyack, NY US - Friday, September 24, 2010 at 14:22:11 (PDT)
"--glorious times, from TV to music to movies to cars to clothes… and it’s all there in it’s glory in this TV show." HANS: i agree, and admit fully that it's nostalgic for me. The 70s was my childhood. And Five-O was my show.
As for the new show, i didn't watch it, i don't get it, but it ain't nothing for people to fight about. I do like a spirited verbal throw-down, but please people, all in good fun... all in good fun.
A good friend of mine watched the new show and he enjoyed it. Good, more power to him, but i ain't interested. He was surprised that i hadn't watched it. I simply was not curious about it. And i promise to never post up about the new show on this site.
OTTO MANNIX
NYC, NY Frank Silvera - Friday, September 24, 2010 at 14:10:47 (PDT)
It stunk! Really crappy show. The old 5-0 was interesting yet beautyfully done with all the scenaery. too much sex and violence in this version. people wanted to come to Hawaii after seeing the beauty, this show makes them hestitate thinking its all violence. kill the show and the so called non-talented actors
jim
honolulu, hi usa - Friday, September 24, 2010 at 13:27:46 (PDT)
“We've been called spoiled brats and whiners, but the fact is, i like Five-O because of the time and place it covers so well. The film stock, the streets, the cars, the fashions, the scenery.”
I certainly wouldn’t call you those names Otto and I like the show for the same reasons you mentioned. For me the 1970’s were glorious times, from TV to music to movies to cars to clothes… and it’s all there in it’s glory in this TV show. It would be impossible to duplicate that vibe now because it just doesn’t exist…
I would never tell someone like Big Chicken to give it a chance because there is no chance he (or she) would ever like it imo… if you thought it was kind of ok but could be better, then sure, give it a chance. If you hate everything about it, ignore it, stick to the original and don’t get your blood pressure up over this thing.
And I can only comment on the Steve character not Jack Lord, never met the man. From what I’m reading it sounds like a few of you were close personal friends of his the way you speak of him.
Hans
Boston, MA USA - Friday, September 24, 2010 at 11:36:38 (PDT)
as a jack lord fan, i did not think much of a remake. but the show was great . want to see more
doc boyer
franklin, ky usa - Friday, September 24, 2010 at 11:28:37 (PDT)
While I'm a hardcore fan of the original and firmly believe the remake didn't need to be made (this was my stance even when Ed Bernero was onboard) I gotta scratch my head when I see posters going into drama-queen mode and rant "Ahhhhh!!! This new show pillaged my childhood!!" or "Ahhhh!! I feel raped and violated!!" or "Ahhh!! They butchered, quartered, spit, urinated, and barfed on Jack's legacy!!" or other such nonsense. I tend to roll my eyes at posts like that. I feel such individuals need to take a deep breath and calmly repeat "Just.... a.... tee... vee.... show.... just... a... tee... vee... show". Folks like Big Chick are okay though because they know that, like the law, the original is coooool. And hard as it may try to buck the system the new one simply can't make it. No sirreee. Ain't no big thing, baby.
ringfire211
Philadelphia, PA USA - Friday, September 24, 2010 at 10:52:28 (PDT)
Mike,
Thanks so much for providing that mp3 of the soundtrack
from Hookman. Love it!
Great job!!
Paul
Boston, MA U.S.A. - Friday, September 24, 2010 at 10:42:59 (PDT)
Yeah RingFire: “It’s the System, Chahlee. Gotta respect the System."
Shout-Outs to Otto, Original 5, H50 FOREVER, & Rainbow Warrior. Right on, man!
Big Chicken
Seattle, WA - Keepin’ Da Faith - Friday, September 24, 2010 at 10:19:42 (PDT)
Re: "See related link on the above page..."
Who's Allison Nevitt? Reads more like it was written by Maureen Dowd... maybe she's started using a pseudonym.
Rick
Newport Beach, CA USA - Friday, September 24, 2010 at 09:54:33 (PDT)
http://culturemob.com/blog/the-new-hawaii-five-0-so-two-oh-oh-one
See related link on the above page, where a capsule preview of the show says: "Since the original Hawaii Five-O wasn’t very good, this remake doesn’t have the best odds for success."
http://www.obsessedwithfilm.com/reviews/tv-review-hawaii-five-0-pilot.php
http://www.secondact.com/2010/09/new-hawaii-five-0-shows-how-much-tv--and-we---have-changed/
http://rafu.com/news/2010/09/itns-2/
http://www.mauinews.com/page/blogs.detail/display/2586/Hawaii-Five---uh--oh.html
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20428165,00.html
http://www.slate.com/id/2268226/
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Friday, September 24, 2010 at 09:41:27 (PDT)
Re: Big Chicken's statement, "Not only would these cats not make it on Steve McGarrett’s squad, but after Monday night’s antics he would probably bust them back down to uniforms or HPD desk duty." - - -
I don't think the HPD would want them, either. All the HPD officers I saw looked like they took their jobs and their appearances quite seriously.
H50 1.0 FOREVER
MY HEART IS IN, HAWAI`I - Friday, September 24, 2010 at 09:23:31 (PDT)
YO Ringfire, Original Five, and Warrior: Big Chick knows i'm with ya. We've been called spoiled brats and whiners, but the fact is, i like Five-O because of the time and place it covers so well. The film stock, the streets, the cars, the fashions, the scenery. It's great. It's not like any other show.
I don't watch contemporary cop shows anyway, cos their too overblown, even if they do call it H 5-O. From the ads i've seen, the new version doesn't seem unique in any way. (THE WIRE is one of the only half-credible cop shows to come out in recent times.)
OTTO MANNIX
NYC, NY James Hong - Friday, September 24, 2010 at 08:39:19 (PDT)
Big Chicken and Original Five-O
Right on Brothers! Some much needed sanity and clear thinking. You guys are the only ones here "keeping it real"
Rainbow Warrior
New York, NY USA - Friday, September 24, 2010 at 08:25:28 (PDT)
Hey Big Chicken, we can't have these Five-0 impostors buckin' the system, now can we? They're buckin' the system, Chick. You go against the system then you gotta be taught a lesson, right bruddah? Those cruddy impostors!
ringfire211
Philadelphia, PA USA - Friday, September 24, 2010 at 08:07:23 (PDT)
I have just watched it and I hated it!!
So much money for this? Looked like a video game with a super hero in cargo pants covered in idiotic tattos .
I loved my Jack Lord. Shaved and clean. :(
Original Hawaii five O
Forever, - Friday, September 24, 2010 at 06:43:20 (PDT)
Thanks Ray. Loved that clip.
Mr. Mike has my e-mail address. CU soon :-)
Nadja
Berlin, - Friday, September 24, 2010 at 05:57:33 (PDT)
@Mike, thanx for your email Mike, and I did join the Yahoo site you mentioned this evening, pending approval. Very nice catch, and I'll be in touch if I hear anything of interest!
@Nadja, I'm in Honolulu tonight, 23 Sep, and will have 4 layovers in Honolulu in October. I would luv to meet up. I'll get you the dates soon, and hopefully you and Kimo can meet up with me for a drink or two.
One more interesting clue about Elizabeth Logue. See this rare video footage below of her doing a promo for Hawaiian tourism. I don't believe, nor do I want to believe, the comments posted by JamieW470 following the youtube video. But, it is what it is, and yet another Liz Logue siting and a clue as to her whereabouts, among several which are beginning to surface all over the net in various blogs. I surely hope there are not copycats out there posing as wannabee relatives or acquaintances...I am inclined to think not. However, one never knows. Her privacy would surely be well understood, accepted and respected by most, but if there is anyone out there who can confirm or refute rumors, and who can contribute some positive statement as to her character and background, then please step forward and use Mike's site to do so, since his Forum is professional, very open and well respected among Five-O fans. Try to be polite and avoid negativity.
Mama always taught me if you don't have anything nice to say about someone, then it's best not to do so -- take the following comments in this video with a grain...
http://tiny.cc/f71lo
Best,
Ray
Ray
Portsmouth, NH USA - Friday, September 24, 2010 at 04:56:18 (PDT)
New Five-0 vs old Five-O pro and con I am just glad my all time favorite show got a new life, even if I think it a bastardization. We should all feel lucky that the show got a second chance. Now I will hold out hope a retro 70's style Five-O will grace the big screen with Lou Diamond Phillips as the new McG. He intense enough and has a lot to prove, just like Jack Lord did back in 1968. Maybe the Facebook billionaire kid can produce the movie. Lord knows he got the dough.
PS I am digging this three letter code to post, it's the best ever.
DeliWaiter
- Friday, September 24, 2010 at 00:22:46 (PDT)
Hey Five-O friends - If you haven't ever heard James MacArthur's two early sixties singles (one of them, "The Ten Commandments of Love," a minor US hit at #94), you can do so here: http://www.boneyardmedia.com/?p=2468 Ahh, YouTube...
Kim Simpson
Austin, TX USA - Thursday, September 23, 2010 at 22:42:41 (PDT)
It's great having Elizabeth here. Because it's scary as hell, like THE CABLE GUY, or MISERY!!!
OTTO MANNIX
NYC, NY Seth Takai - Thursday, September 23, 2010 at 22:25:46 (PDT)
Mahalo, SherryB
Big Chicken
Seattle, WA - Thursday, September 23, 2010 at 21:54:01 (PDT)
Big Chicken squawked: "Give the reboot the boot, man"
Pure gold. Big Chicken...you're da kine, man.
popoki nui (SherryB)
Victoria, BC Canada - Thursday, September 23, 2010 at 21:37:20 (PDT)
First, they asked that we give the remake a chance. Now that we seen what a debacle it is, we should maybe sit through several more putrid episodes in hopes it will magically ‘get better.’
What struck me about the faux-Steve&Danno in the remake was that these were the kind of cops the REAL McGarrett would have dressed down for lax procedure and shoddy police work.
Not only would these cats not make it on Steve McGarrett’s squad, but after Monday night’s antics he would probably bust them back down to uniforms or HPD desk duty.
Compared to the superior professional policin’ of the Real Hawaii Five-O, this new faux team is strictly Amateur Hour.
Hawaiian State Police? More like ClownTown PD.
Give the reboot the boot, man
Big Chicken (Original recipe - Never Rebooted)
Seattle, WA, Hawaii Five-O – Accept No Imitations - Thursday, September 23, 2010 at 21:30:24 (PDT)
That's an interesting article on the cinematography of the original Five-0... some of the night time scenes are VERY dark even when re-mastered and viewed on a hi-def TV. Now I know why.
The amount of work to shoot at all those different locations... the cost would be prohibitive today. That's too bad. The locations are a big part of what I love about the original.
Rick
Newport Beach, CA USA - Thursday, September 23, 2010 at 21:26:54 (PDT)
I see that the comments on the new FIVE-0 are mostly the love it or hate it type. Now, as I said before, I think that the pilot is your average TV cop show, with lots of fast-cut, shaky-cam action, but it does have potential. I still don't care for the squabbling between the new McGarrett and the new Williams characters: been there, done that way, WAY too many times. That's just lazy writing. One thing that has been pointed out is the fact that this new group is too informal. One hallmark of the original series was their absolute professionalism. Now, I don't mean that the new group needs to go business formal, but that really should be improved. And give some lines to the new Chin Ho and Kono characters! In the first show, they're window dressing. What we really have here, overall, is a generic cop show shoehorned into the FIVE-O mythos to elevate viewership. In the age of such stellar cop dramas as THE SHIELD and NYPD BLUE, this new FIVE-O does not stand out at all. Most likely, the show won't go beyond one season, and may not even make that if it hasn't got a strong enough lead-in.
Katherine Turney
Charlotte, NC USA - Thursday, September 23, 2010 at 20:02:08 (PDT)
I was surprised that I somewhat liked the new H50 on CBS.
The characters were well developed and portrayed by the writers. I particularly liked the initial friction between Danno and the New Boss. Leonard might indeed be proud if he were here.
Eric Robeson
Yorktown, VA USA - Thursday, September 23, 2010 at 18:48:45 (PDT)
Interesting article from The American Cinematographer on the filming of the original Five-O:
http://www.hawaiifive0.org/making.shtml
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Thursday, September 23, 2010 at 17:28:27 (PDT)
I agree with H5.O Forever and others comments about people getting the actors confused with the characters they played. It is indeed a problem with all TV shows and movies. In Hawaii Five-O's case it is very obvious that the actors and the characters they played had very little in common except the way they looked e.g. Jack Lord was married whereas Steve McGarrett wasn't.
Also even though the most of the actors may have passed away the characters could be still alive and well. What happen to the characters before and after the show ended or even during the show's run (we didn't see every day of their lives during the 12 years the show went for e.g. "Man in a Steel Frame" where Steven had been seeing his girlfriend for a couple of months and we only learn of her existence after she has been murdered) is up to us to determine using the basic template the writers gave us.
JulieS
Australia - Thursday, September 23, 2010 at 17:06:35 (PDT)
I loved the new show, you betcha!
Sarah P.
Wasilla, AK U.S.A. - Thursday, September 23, 2010 at 16:25:55 (PDT)
Note to Elizabeth Boggs' fiance: Run. Run fast.
Yankee4Life
- Thursday, September 23, 2010 at 16:03:26 (PDT)
My profession has brought me into a few hairy situations and I know I could have trusted him with my very life, not a loose cannon like Alex-Whatever.
Elizabeth, when are you going to get that Alex and Jack were actors and Steve was a character. Alex is not responsible for the writing of his show.So please try to separate the two. Alex is real and Steve is not. You seem to think that Alex is Steve and he really is a Navy seal. And that Jack was Steve and really would come to your rescue in real life. WTF???
The loose cannon is you.
Keeping It Real
LA, CA USA - Thursday, September 23, 2010 at 15:33:13 (PDT)
I am Elizabeth M. Boggs' fiance'
And I am the tooth fairy.
Keeping It Real
LA, CA USA - Thursday, September 23, 2010 at 15:26:02 (PDT)
""From this site for airline afficionados, someone posted a message calling attention to the new Hawaiian Airlines jet in the H50 opening montage....""
Great shot of one of the prettiest paint schemes in the sky!
Maybe someone can help answer a question:
In the opening credits of the original show, between Ms. Logue's head-turn shot athe the jet engine shot, there is a white, bulbous metal thing. Looks like an aluminum blimp.
Anyome know that that thing is??
Thanks!
popoki nui (SherryB)
Victoria, BC Canada - Thursday, September 23, 2010 at 14:53:58 (PDT)
I saw the the premiere Monday. It was awesome! I haven't decided if I'm going to purchase the subscription to the episodes on iTunes yet...have to check out a few more weeks worth first. Aloha!
Gina
Syracuse, NY US - Thursday, September 23, 2010 at 14:22:07 (PDT)
Saw the new 1st episode what a great way to cure insomnia. Fell asleep after the first 5 minutes . Leave well enough alone. Why not call it Baywatch #25.
Jason Palmer
LAs Vegas, NV USA - Thursday, September 23, 2010 at 12:37:36 (PDT)
For those of you in Southern Califoria, KDOC has put the orignial Five-O (edited versions) back on the air at 1:00 a.m.
rm
Seal Beach, CA - Thursday, September 23, 2010 at 10:40:29 (PDT)
"I PERSONALLY THINK THERE IS A LOT MORE ACTION IN THIS ONE THEN THE ONE BACK IN 1968." -- No kidding? What gave it away? The giant Jerry Bruckheimer explosion in the opening seconds of the pilot? Of course it will have more explosions. That of course doesn't make for a quality show. If I want to see nifty action I take out my James Bond collection off the shelf. If I want to see intricate detective work I watch the Five-0 DVDs.
ringfire211
Philadelphia, PA USA - Thursday, September 23, 2010 at 10:34:22 (PDT)
1.0, when I saw inappropriate behavior on TV, I pointed out to my kids that’s how “not” to act.. If my kid sees a guy shoot someone or rob their house on TV, that doesn’t mean it’s acceptable. Just like slugging the boss is not acceptable. You can’t just leave the kids in front of the tube and expect them to figure out at a young age who are the good and who are bad guys? Or when the good guys are bahving badly? Some of it might be life imitating art but it’s also art imitating life. Times have changed and it’s not all because of TV.
You mentioned G.H. Bush. I admired that man because he “didn’t” surround himself with yes men. “Yes sir, right away sir, anything you say sir” doesn’t always work so what kind of role model is that? That’s too far extreme. I say respect authority but also question authority. In the real world when you surround yourself with people who agree with your every move and decision it usually doesn’t turn out well.
Hans
Boston, MA USA - Thursday, September 23, 2010 at 10:14:05 (PDT)
From this site for airline afficionados, someone posted a message calling attention to the new Hawaiian Airlines jet in the H50 opening montage. That led to a great deal of chatter about H50, both original and new version:
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/4928978/
Maxine
Brooklyn, NY - Thursday, September 23, 2010 at 09:42:30 (PDT)
Hans, I believe you wrote, "I’m well aware of respecting authority in the real world but this is a TV show." - - - It's not as simple as that. Because of the example it sets. Think of 1980s sitcoms that made adults look stupid. I don't know whether you were a parent, trying to rear children, then, but I can tell you from first-hand experience that it was a real chore trying to teach my children right from wrong when television was telling them that I was stupid and should be ridiculed and scorned. Children are impressionable, and they believe what they see on TV. If they see authority figures like the Chief of Five-0 all but cursing a governor, he/she receives the impression that it's perfectly alright to ridicule authority figures. This is an issue with which television has been wrestling for easily 40 years, possibly longer. Just how much responsibility does television have? My answer: As much responsibility as I have not to corrupt the child next door. There's serious duty in life, in real life and in televised life. That duty has not been met in far too many years.
H50 1.0 FOREVER
MY HEART IS IN, HAWAI`I - Thursday, September 23, 2010 at 09:36:18 (PDT)
You are absolutely correct about the kind of man Jack was, Elizabeth Marie Boggs. He was a role model. The problem is that, today, no one wants to look up to anyone else. They all think they are perfect as they are. Well, that's a form of arrogance, for we all have more than enough room for improvement. Maybe we need to stop and take a second look at Jack and at others like him. Lorne Greene was such a role model. Ronald Reagan was. George Bush, Sr. was and is. There are many others. Read up on them. Learn what motivated them. Learn what set them a step above. Were they perfect? No. No human being ever is perfect. But they raised the bar high and strove to measure up.
H50 1.0 FOREVER
MY HEART IS IN, HAWAI`I - Thursday, September 23, 2010 at 09:28:01 (PDT)
As for his hair, any woman would give her eye teeth to be able to caress those gorgeous, lush locks in a heartbeat. NOBODY was more meticulous in his personal care than Jack was, and that adds to the unmatched allure he had. He was a man to DIE for, in ALL aspects. He carried himself with incredible pride, self-assurance, and confidence; all the hallmarks of a cultured gentleman. He had all the right values, lived by the highest sense of standards, and was an example of all the things that were right in society and was a great role model for kids to look up to.
The story at the time was that a teenage girl who became involved in drugs was watching an episode dealing with drugs one evening. Jack gave her the courage to turn her life around. She turned in her supplier and underwent treatment because of Jack's inspiration. After she went through the program, she wrote him a letter describing how he saved her life; he kept her letter through the years and, at the time, he literally wept in humility over how this all came about. WHERE else will you find such a man? I can tell you, Philly, not in today's world, that's for sure. Jack Lord was one in a world in ways most people can't-or won't- understand. Google the story, because it's true and out there in cyberspace. Maybe, pompadour and all, he was here FOR A REASON. A gift from God when he was needed the most. Think about IT.
Elizabeth M. Boggs
Bellingham, WA United States of America - Thursday, September 23, 2010 at 09:16:49 (PDT)
“judging from some of the people on this site”
And that’s the key word, “judging” as in you have a thing for judging people. Remember when Homer Simpson once said, “everybody is stupid except for me”?
I’m well aware of respecting authority in the real world but this is a TV show. Some fans like the old one, some like the new one, some like both. Even with the old show we blather on endlessly about what season was better, which were the best episodes, Kono vs Ben etc. That’s the beauty of it, everyone sees it differently and everyone is right. Many feel quite passionate about the show but still there is a respect for others opinions. Most people don’t care if you share their views of the show but once you start judging people and calling their character into question it’s usually time to take a look in the mirror.
>>>”How sad that this site must become a lesson book on Social Order 101”<<<
How sad indeed.
Hans
Boston, MA USA - Thursday, September 23, 2010 at 09:05:27 (PDT)
Careful, people. Steve McGarrett and Jack Lord were two different people. For all intents and purposes, they just happened to look alike. In the workplace, at that time, subordinates did say "Yes, sir" to the boss. It had nothing to do with denigrating a supporting actor. It was simply common courtesy as it existed at that time.
As was written yesterday, each of the supporting actors had scenes and a few whole episodes where he was allowed to shine. But that was the day of the star system, and McGarrett was the chief of Five-0, ergo the star of the Five-0 team. Jack Lord just portrayed him on screen as in, "I'm not really a detective. I just play one on TV."
Of course, since Jack was an interest owner in the show, he was more present than he might have been, otherwise, and after Leonard Freeman's death, he HAD to be more present. The fact that, when Five-0 began, there were no trained actors, crew members, sound stages, etc. in Hawai`i, Jack was thrust into a greater role from the start. Yes, he had to be tough. All team leaders have to be tough at times. Show me one who isn't tough,and I'll show you the wimp who is drummed out before the first episode airs.
H50 1.0 FOREVER
MY HEART IS IN, HAWAI`I - Thursday, September 23, 2010 at 08:53:05 (PDT)
I am Elizabeth M. Boggs' fiance' and what I liked about Jack Lord on Hwawii-Five-0 is that Leonard Freeman chose Jack because he knew him to be just what he was looking for to become the one and ONLY Steve McGarrett, Brooklyn accent, too. Freeman knew exactly what he was getting, even including alot from Jack's own background in the role. When Elizabeth says that Steve McGarrett was clost to life, it was because she was right about it. So many things from his own background were included, even the personal qualities that gave his role character and depth. Even including the death of McGarrett's nephew reminded him of his own son's untimely passing. Jack was an excellent leader and inspired harmony and teamwork. He was the perfect leader, and the writers knew this, including everything he did for the show and the indigenous peoples of Hawaii. He understood them and worked with them, including their language and culture. He brought this all to life in living color and he gave us a free trip to Hawaii each week with true-to-life, believable stories we could all relate to. No wonder the show went on for 12 years. There is NO way this trash will last, if ever, for a fraction of that time. There can be ONE and ONLY "Hawaii Five-0", and without Jack Lord and everything he brought to the show, this is a disgusting failure. Everybody looks sickly on this show, because it IS a sick show.
Saginaw Grant
Burlington, WA United States of America - Thursday, September 23, 2010 at 08:48:18 (PDT)
Off your moral high-horses please! I too liked the "punch out" scene...not because I disrespect for authority rather, I too could just picture J-Mac doing that to J-Lo some 30-odd years ago! Like someone else said, the "yes sir", "no sir, & "right boss" lines for the rest of the cast was a waste of talent and stifled character development. Not everyone worships the ground J-Lo walked on. And not everyone cares what he would have thought of the new show. It's bad enough his pompadour is plastered all over the DVD boxes, now we have to endure his faithful minions whining that the show was re-made. Some people thought the original Five-0 was violent or taboo in it's time. Remember "Bored, She Hung Herself"? It also had it's fair share of techno gadgets too....AND, did you ever stop to think that the new show will generate interest in the original?
Keepin' It Real
Philadephia, PA USA Baby - Thursday, September 23, 2010 at 08:41:04 (PDT)
By the way, I can think of NOBODY better equipped to protect one's back better than Steve McGarrett/Jack Lord in a life or death situation. At least his sanity does NOT come into question. My profession has brought me into a few hairy situations and I know I could have trusted him with my very life, not a loose cannon like Alex-Whatever.
Elizabeth M. Boggs
Bellingham, WA United States of America - Thursday, September 23, 2010 at 08:23:33 (PDT)
Somehow, the ‘punch out Steve’ thing came as no surprise, judging from some of the people on this site. Maybe the reason for the high unemployment in this country is that nobody understands the concept of ‘the boss’. Let me tell you something; all of us have to answer to somebody at some time, especially in the workplace. This means each and every one of you, too. Maybe the person in charge is better educated, has better developed skills, and has the ability to shoulder the burden of responsibility at a level that is required for the job. In essence, the person in charge is there precisely because he fit the necessary profile that the position needs. He is not there on a par with his subordinates, precisely because he is not one, but has the leadership mandated by his position. In today’s world, there are ‘too many’ chiefs and not enough braves. Maybe, it is the way people were brought up today by parents who felt their ‘little darlings’ could do no wrong and were the center of their world. I see that on this site through this kind of thinking. I have seen the Steve McGarrett/Jack Lord persona described as ‘pompous’ and other less-than accurate descriptions. He thought enough of himself and others to create something of high standards and great value. Nobody today understands ‘leadership’, because people today are too shallow and ignorant to even take the time to consider what it means, nor the self-generating respect that engenders respect in others and to return it in kind. It means taking responsibility on a level that requires some sacrifice on your part and protecting those under your care. If ‘punching out the boss’ is the answer, well, that is proof how low society has sunk. Maybe the yellow filters on this thing indicate something subliminally; as my fiance’ mentioned that it looks like you are watching it from the bottom of the toilet bowl. Actually, he said something I cannot print here.
Nothing mattered more to Steve/Jack than doing it right and upholding impeccable standards from the get-go. This meant from the manner of dress, authenticity, and doing it by the book. That takes discipline, which is in sad lack today, because it takes disciplined people to know what discipline is and how to use it. It means respecting authority and understanding why it is there and the reasons behind it. It means understanding a social order and knowing it is there for a purpose. It means presenting an socially-acceptable package for public view and dressing as though you are on public display. That does not include tee shirts, cargo pants, and unshaven, sloppy, tattooed body parts. It means thinking enough about how the world views you in that you respect and have self-respect in turn. It means expecting to and following orders when required, because the person issuing those orders might have a leg up on you somewhere along the line. How sad that this site must become a lesson book on Social Order 101. How disgusting that it has come to that; advocating ‘punching out the boss’ because it “feels good”. Dear God…
By the way, I wonder how contemptuous Scotty-Who was of Hawaiian medicine that prompted him to scurry home to Los Angeles to treat a simple sprain ‘suffered’ on the set? I am sure Queens Hospital could have taken good care of this little brat in no time, sparing the expense of a long flight and production delays. This was DAMN inconsiderate, but who has to consider it anyway, when you consider the hosting Hawaiian people, their Islands, and their medical care inferior, anyway?
Elizabeth M. Boggs
Bellingham, WA United States of America - Thursday, September 23, 2010 at 08:19:42 (PDT)
@ Ray (Portsmouth, NH):
Congratulations on the good news that Elizabeth Logue is still with us. It must be very gratifying to know that your efforts have paid off with concrete results. It is good to hear from you, too! Missed you.
Barbara
Pittsburgh, PA USA - Thursday, September 23, 2010 at 07:30:25 (PDT)
Many of you have asked the reasons why they have reimagined the new h50 series. Here are my thoughts. The new series is AFTRA rather than SAG. AFTRA and SAG are the two major unions that represent actors in the US. AFTRA used to only have jurisdiction over "live" television programming and radio, but it got into the TV drama business with the boom in cable TV programming in the 80's. More recently, AFTRA has been booming with TV because producers are trying to keep costs down.
The original series was SAG, and if you bring back a series, it must be SAG if it was SAG originally.... BUT there is a loophole if you change the name of the series and it is reimagined. Hence the change in the title to Hawaii Five-0 rather than Hawaii Five-O. This is an out for the producers.
So why go with AFTRA? Money. The requirements to be signatory are not as great, and they exercise less control over your work environment. As an actor, you wouldn't get anywhere complaining to AFTRA about the producers if you were unhappy... they just don't do anything. There are no residuals for reruns and they don't require as many personnel working on the series. They don't have a pension plan while SAG provides a robust plan as well as health insurance.
The other major distinction between AFTRA and SAG is you can only shoot 35mm film with SAG. AFTRA can only represent a series shot on video. It has no jurisdiction over film. You cannot shoot 35mm film with an AFTRA signatory contract. Therefore, the new H50 is shot on video.
Is this good for the new show? No. The LOST series was SAG. There are actually few AFTRA members in Hawaii, and SAG tends to frown on their members working AFTRA shows. Assuming you were working on LOST and now want to work H50, you might lose your health insurance AND your pension plan because you wouldn't have the required credits to qualify. It also means that they likely won't get high caliber guest stars, either.
Dalen Quaice
Burbank, CA USA - Thursday, September 23, 2010 at 07:18:15 (PDT)
Thanks Steve
i've also found out a seller on ebay who i have bought region 1 dvds from can get me season 8
Andrew
UK - Thursday, September 23, 2010 at 06:38:33 (PDT)
Otto, I agree they should release Bored She Hung Herself but it’s not a great episode in my opinion, below average actually. I’ve seen the low quality copy and it’s 2 stars at best. It’s only desirable because it’s unseen.
Hans
Boston, MA USA - Thursday, September 23, 2010 at 06:18:13 (PDT)
@ Popoki nui (Sherry B)
RE: Okay, McGarrett Jr. was out to avenge his daddy's death...
I apologize for the fault in my syntax: I referred to McGarrett (Stephen J.) as JR to make it clear I wasn't talking about McGarrett SR. (John McGarrett, his father). I know that AOL is supposed to be Steve McGarrett....but there is and ever shall be only one Steve McGarrett in my mind....
Last night I watched Highest Castle, Deepest Grave again and had to marvel at Mort Stevens wonderful score and the excellent acting on all sides. When McGarrett returns from the Big Island and talks to Danno about how he can understand why a man would kill for Mrs. Mondrago, there are some wonderful camera shots, with excellent lighting in the dim office...the play of expression on Jack's face is memorable. And Herbert Lom, a terrific actor (who, I'll always remember as Inspector Cluseau's (sp?) boss in A Shot In the Dark and the Pink Panther sequels, and Captain Nemo, just to name two of his credits, what a terrific performance he gave..Whomever cast him for the part of Mondrago was right on...
I have a question for Mr. Mike: That piano piece that Mondrago was "playing" when McGarrett first came to his home to ask about Parker, was that an original composition by Mort Stevens? I haven't been able to identify this piece. Do you, master of all Five-0 trivia, know what it was and if it's available as sheet music. I would love to learn to play it....
Mahalo!
Elaine
Watertown, MA - Thursday, September 23, 2010 at 05:49:42 (PDT)
@Ray
Thank you for the information. It's nice to hear that she's still alive. So, all your efforts were worthwhile. Congratulations!
I'm in Hawai'i for the next month. Will I meet you at last ;-)?
Nadja
Berlin, - Thursday, September 23, 2010 at 04:04:27 (PDT)
Another take on the new show from Hawaii:
http://bit.ly/bSpYrH
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 23:44:47 (PDT)
Another take from Maui:
http://tinyurl.com/2a36k6f
Sylvia
Pembroke Pines, FL USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 21:53:37 (PDT)
Excluding any 12th season episode, what do you think is the worst Hawaii Five O episode (classic series of course)? I choose Here today, Gone Tonight. The plot was full of more holes than swiss cheese, and the whole idea of Danno being fooled the way he was is so idiotic. Mystery Science Theater 3000 would have shredded that episode easily. Mr Mike said he felt like yelling "I did'nt" at the TV when Danno said I fell for it, a perfect MST3K style riff!
Dean
Vernon Hills, IL USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 20:41:25 (PDT)
A former classmate of Elizabeth Logue from the University of Hawaii writes the following on a related blog:
geraldine willing says:
September 17, 2010 at 02:43
I was enjoying the re-run of Hawaii 5-0 this evening and began to look up various subjects pertaining to the show. I came across this site and I thought that I would share my thoughts. I knew Elizabeth Louise Malamalamaokalani White Logue as we went to the University of Hawaii at Manoa and had English class together in l959. We became friends and ate lunch together three times a week. Elizabeth was a beautiful girl both in an out. She was modest about her good looks and actually was quite shy. We enjoyed each other ‘s company and she even visited and met my future husband in our little apartment. She married artist George Logue and they left for Tahiti for a while where he painted. I lost contact with her and I sincerely hope that she is living in privacy and is happy, although I read that she had passed away. I hope that is incorrect. May God bless her wherever she is as I have nice memories of a lovely young woman. Aloha and Mahalo!
Ray
Portsmouth, NH USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 20:06:22 (PDT)
@Nadja..@Barbara...GOOD NEWS! ELIZABETH LOGUE has been reported alive and well by a relative through marriage! You be the judge of the blog that follows. I think I stirred this issue up so much on the net, that doubts continue to resurface, and credible sources are now beginning to step up and refute misleading information concerning the alleged passing of Liz Logue in 1988.
http://tiny.cc/tw4ik
Ray
Portsmouth, NH USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 20:03:01 (PDT)
HA HA, yes BORIS, the D.A.'s hair. And the silly-ass scene where McG plays psychiatrist talks Yaphet Kotto out of the Vietnam firefight in his head. That's a weak moment for sure.
OTTO MANNIX
NYC, NY Joyce Van Patten - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 19:56:32 (PDT)
"There are plenty of things shown on Five-O that could be imitated with tragic results."
You mean like Manicote's hairstyle?
boris
spfld, ma usa - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 19:26:38 (PDT)
Has ANYONE seen the movie THE COUNTERFEIT KILLER, 1968, with Jack Lord? I saw it once on late night TV long ago and have never been able to find it since.
OTTO MANNIX
NYC, NY Albert Salmi - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 19:18:21 (PDT)
How about when SKINHEAD reveals to McGarrett why he took credit for the raping? That was a priceless ending also.
But i'm saddened that we may never see BORED, SHE HUNG HERSELF. I mean, just cos some idiot pulled a David Carradine, we fans are deprived of a possibly great episode! There are plenty of things shown on Five-O that could be imitated with tragic results.
OTTO MANNIX
NYC, NY Soon Tek O - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 19:12:18 (PDT)
LUCKY KITTY DEPARTMENT;
Remember the plot to steal King Kamahamaha's cape in Season 1? Remember the sweet white kitty lowered by the juvenile thieves to test the Bishop Museum security system? Wasn't it just SO sweet after nabbing the felonious feline, Jack scooped (her-?) it up and ordered a cup of cream for (her-?) before he took leave of (her-?). I have always thought; "My, what a lucky little kitty (she-?) was. It was SO lovely the way his beautiful eyes lit up when he was holding (her-?).
I keep saying 'her', because I think, it's rather appropriate. There were such wonderful moments to carry in your heart. Just LOVELY.
Elizabeth M. Boggs
Bellingham, WA United States of America - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 19:07:57 (PDT)
The definition of a true ballet manoeuvre; watching the washed-out rapist tumble over a two-story balcony onto the pavement in "Nightmare in Blue". His sunglasses clinging to the exterior stucco. What a finale'!
The true definition of a dazzling ending; watching the deranged murderer of women get his in "Wednesday, Ladies Free".
How many other incredible endings were there? PLENTY of them; ALL in living color.
What about Jack, speechless at last, when Barbara Baxley remarks in "One Big, Happy Family" that since they were already dead, what use would they have for their money? Another goodie; "They were strangers", so it really wasn't MURDER. Watch Jack's expression. Priceless!! I STILL crack up when I see it!
Jack sure showed so many facets of his nature, including the comedic. Says everything for that tall, thoroughly sexy Irishman. Just positively GORGEOUS.
Anyone else with another priceless moment?
Elizabeth M. Boggs
Bellingham, WA United States of America - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 18:53:28 (PDT)
I’m with you RingFire, I immensely dig both Big Chicken episodes. “Painted Daisies” is a gritty procedural (they really go over every inch of that apartment crime scene) while The BOX is something else all together. Big Chick’ got that pop gun on McGarrett screamin “KILL UMM!!” then they cut to the Wave. Tense, taught drama.
Dam Straight, MacLeod shoulda gotten an Emmy on that. I dunno how Jack never got one with all the great episodes of the series early years
Big Chicken
Seattle, WA USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 18:44:27 (PDT)
Examined the post responses and one person questioned my belief that Steve McGarrett (Jack's character) had been born on the East coast. My fiance' and I talked about it in regards to Jack's delightful Brooklyn dialect. Now, I ask, where ELSE could this person have been born? At least, he was an AMERICAN playing an AMERICAN. The proof is there, at least in the music of his voice and the beauty of that dialect.
Elizabeth M. Boggs
Bellingham, WA United States of America - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 18:39:07 (PDT)
In regards to the Five-O team speaking up, I think they did it a lot but in a more subtle way. One good example of this in the season 3 episode "Time and Memories".
Danny could see Steve was personally involved in the case and when the time came to say something he did. He didn't shout or get mad at Steve but Danny said it a calm and reasonable way that Steve should let the rest of the team investigate the case. Steve's response to this was silence and he lets Danny leave the office. In a way Steve was acknowledging that Danny was right and Danny knew it too.
There are probably more examples of this in other episodes.
JulieS
Australia - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 18:36:50 (PDT)
THE NEW HAWAII IS A GREAT MOVIE. IT HOLDS YOUR INTEREST ALL THE TIME. I PERSONALLY THINK THERE IS A LOT MORE ACTION IN THIS ONE THEN THE ONE BACK IN 1968. I HOPE THAT IT LAST AS LONG. THANK YOU
CAROLEE ENGLAND
STILLWATER, OK UNITED STATES - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 18:21:47 (PDT)
Re: "Maybe show them moving into the old offices,and finding the pics of those who came before them. Having pics of Steve and Danno on the wall,watching over the new group would be a great show of respect,and I think fans would enjoy it as well." - - -
Corky, that's exactly the way I envisioned it. You walk in, and there, on the wall, are pictures of three former Five-0 chiefs starting with Steve McGarrett. Then, you go into the "big office" and meet the current Five-0 chief and then his team. Now, why didn't they do that? Sheesh!
H50 1.0 FOREVER
MY HEART IS IN, HAWAI`I - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 17:56:17 (PDT)
Yes the Bobby Ewing thing, I believe there is a connection with the new Star Trek productions and after all think back Jack Lord had rumors of being a possible choice for the original StarTrek James T Kirk in the what ended up Shatner years.
It would make sense to me that James MaCarther had a reason to say "when the timing is right he would appear", If my son isn't crazy that would explain those words as well.This could be the spoiler.Either way I cant say I wont watch it in hopes something like this does develop.
DJ
Kalamazoo, MI USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 17:49:45 (PDT)
I like that they kept a lot of the idea of the intro to the new show,but updated it. Nice touch.
I dont like that the characters are using the original names. I feel the show would be better if the new cast was just the new group at the "5-0". Maybe show them moving into the old offices,and finding the pics of those who came before them. Having pics of Steve and Danno on the wall,watching over the new group would be a great show of respect,and I think fans would enjoy it as well.
Corky Tate
lake havasu city, az usa - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 16:50:05 (PDT)
I like DJ's son's take on it all. If it turns out like that, this THANG just might be worth watching. ROFL
H50 1.0 FOREVER
MY HEART IS IN, HAWAI`I - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 15:39:55 (PDT)
" My son's theory is they will show Jack Lord McGarrett in the scene where he was in the explosion on his birthday (or something similar) and Jack Lord dreams or reflects back to what we see now when this Five-0 finally unravels the mysterious behaviors of these cast members and the new five-0 itself, man I hope is is right!!"
Ahhh....the Bobby Ewing/Dallas philosophy of scriptwriting! I get it now.
popoki nui (SherryB)
Victoria, BC Canada - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 15:38:45 (PDT)
From Usenet news group:
The "Pohang Korea" scenes at the beginning were filmed all on the Kualoa Ranch on the windward coast of O'ahu -- if you watch carefully you can spot places where scenes from Jurassic Park, 50 First Dates, Wind Talkers, and most recently, Lost were filmed in that valley. The very beginning showing concrete bunkers in cliffs would be recognized by Lost fans as the "Tempest Hatch" from late in Season 4.
http://www.lostdude.com/00pics/s01e01_hawaii5_0_1.jpg
http://www.lostdude.com/00pics/s01e01_hawaii5_0_2.jpg
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:Jumpest.jpg
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 15:27:41 (PDT)
I may have rushed to judgment on the new five -0, my son (15) has been an avid watcher of the original up to season 8 on DVD.I shared my opinions of the disaster on Monday night. He said dont you get it? I said no! He said its the beginning of 50 as you see it on the old version just like they did the reverse time line with the latest StarTrek.HE thinks it will eventually work into the past by actually going forward up to the old ones.HE thinks the Mercury scene has very big significance and there is reason it wasnt driven. HE thinks outside Kono's sex change operation it will fit right up to the last five -0 made in 1980. And that is where and when we will understand why this one was made like it is.Jack (jr) isnt McGarrett's son, he is McGarrett. My son's theory is they will show Jack Lord McGarrett in the scene where he was in the explosion on his birthday (or something similar) and Jack Lord dreams or reflects back to what we see now when this Five-0 finally unravels the mysterious behaviors of these cast members and the new five-0 itself, man I hope is is right!!
DJ
Kalamazoo, MI USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 15:11:21 (PDT)
Awful
Pat
Ponchatoula, LA USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 14:55:29 (PDT)
"Okay, McGarrett Jr was out to avenge his daddy's death at the hands of some villain...."
Why do I keep seeing references here to "McGarrett Jr"?? This is part of my beef with the new show (probably my biggest beef, actually): he isn't McGarret Junior...they are trying to say he is the original Steve McGarrett. They clearly showed that his father was John McGarrett, not Steve McGarrett Senior. Same with Danno, Chin, and -heaven help us- Kono. It's pretty insulting!
popoki nui (SherryB)
Victoria, BC Canada - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 14:52:10 (PDT)
I watched the 50 on Monday. It certainly is different than the one that I consider to be the greatest show ever made. Over all I did like it. I think for this day and time it is very good. Still like the old one best. After all no cast on TV can compare to the old cast of 50.
Scott Blazer
Logan, Oh USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 14:08:21 (PDT)
Sorry about the caps in my last post, it's a work thing. After reading previous posts I would agree with many observations I.E. fake rain (never saw a cloudburst so selective), Kono (too young to be believable or maybe I'm just older but what cop show didn't have some sort of eye candy). The program was pushed a little for one hour but better than dragging it out for two hours. Thank you thank you thank you for not copying "The Fugitive's" search for the one-armed man theme week after week by finding the killer is less than one hour (even though we didn't see the body recovered). Looking forward to the current explanation of the origin of the name "five-oh" and who the mole at HQ is. Upgraded and more contemporary dialog is appreciated. This is not your father's Honolulu.
mike ross
milwaukie, or usa - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 14:03:59 (PDT)
THE REMAKE IS AW-SUM. I GOT CHILLS WHEN THE OPENING THEME STARTED EVEN THOUGH IT WAS TWEAKED A LITTLE BIT. I THOUGHT THERE WOULD BE TWO WHITE GUYS SHARING A PERSONALITY PLUS THE OTHER ACTORS BUT SO FAR SO GOOD. DANIEL DAE KIM ADDS MUCH TO THE SHOWS BELIEVABILITY. SCENERY IS SPECTACULAR.
MIKE ROSS
MILWAUKIE , OR USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 13:28:46 (PDT)
[Cinematography in the new pilot]
"Yeah I hate that exaggerated video game tint that the new show has. Why can't they just show Hawaii in its natural beauty and color? I've been to the islands and have taken amazing-looking pictures with my digital camera. Amazing clarity and beauty! But they sure as heck don't have that fake-looking tint to it."
The good news is that the new series has a new cinematographer, Ron Garcia, that has joined after the pilot.
The new pilot was done by Gabriel Beristain. At times, his work is just annoyingly sloppy. One scene that was really bad was where McGarrett is visiting the shaved ice shack at about 25 minutes into the show. Here you see the limited latitude and cheapness of digital video. It starts with a truck shot as McGarrett and the gang walk up -- the left side is properly exposed (by the ice shack) but the part showing Hawaiian palm trees and vegetation is over exposed and fluorescent in color! As the scene continues, you have a shot of ChinHo taken from inside the shack looking out. He's set the exposure for inside the shaved ice shack, but the background is way overexposed (blown out). This is just incredibly sloppy.
I do find that the entire show has a bit of an artificial yellow tent and grain that seems to have been added to filmize/filmlook the video. How about the fake rain CGI for the shot of Hawaii before McGarrett visits Danno's house? LOL That was good laugh. Even when they cut to McGarrett it is obviously a rain machine as it's raining in just one place!
"Watch season 1 of the original show on DVD and be amazed at the colors practically popping out at you - the islands in their natural beauty. You believe you're looking at the REAL thing."
I would agree with this observation. Keep in mind the original h50 was shot on Eastman 5254 35mm filmstock during the 1st season. This particular stock was excellent at delivering superb true colors (previous Eastman stocks were very pastel - such as 5251). This filmstock won a Scientific or Technical Award at the Emmy's for it's quality in 1968!
[Music in the new pilot]
"The bottom line is: the score for this pilot episode was crap."
Yes, the incidental music was rather boring and unremarkable. The best interlude was at 35 minutes when they putting all the Chinese on the bus. I could also have done without the rap music (like at 25 minutes with Kono surfing).
Dalen Quaice
Burbank, CA USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 11:57:28 (PDT)
Thank you Rick for giving me the answer for that Kono episode. I will be watching it again tonight. Much appreciated.
Yankee4Life
- Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 11:26:36 (PDT)
As far as the music Mr Mike, yes, it was quite underwhelming but not sure how much is needed among all the gunfire and explosions. I didn't mind the rap and another generic piece I heard while they were in the mobile unit but nothing memorable at first impression.
I'd like to hear chill aka triphop aka chill out music. It's modern sounding, mostly instrumental and sometimes techno but it has an ambient, relaxed feel to it. Current bands like Air, Zero 7, Kruder & Dorfmeister etc would be perfect at contributing sound tracks... and many of them were highly influenced by (and fans of) Morton Stevens and the great scores of the old 5-O and other TV shows of the 70's so it would be a perfect match.
Hans
Boston, MA USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 11:16:42 (PDT)
Check out Al Harrington as a bad guy in the Magnum P.I. episode from season one "Thank Heaven for Little Girls." He is very believable. You never once think of Ben. Well, maybe for the first split second!
Barbara
Pittsburgh, PA USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 11:08:44 (PDT)
"I'm not crazy about the Kono character; I think she's too young."
But Grace is 2 years older than Alex O? The actor that is... I think she'll be ok once she settles in, I don't expect semi nude shots and body slams every show but you never know...
I think whoever mentioned that Season 1 wasn't that great might have meant in the ratings? As in, they could have canned the show after Season 1? Don't know...
Back then they gave shows a chance to develope, look at Seinfeld, Season 1 is horrible, it's not even funny and the characters are a shell of what they became. If that showed came out in 2010 instead of 1989 it never would have made it to Season 2 most likley. To judge a show after 42 minutes? Pretty tough, unless you want to hate it, then you don't need to even see a minute of it.
Some of the stuff just stinks because it's 2010, like having twice as much commercial time... and cars are much uglier these days...
Hans
Boston, MA USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 11:03:02 (PDT)
Elithe Aguiar... also the prostitute that wants a piece of Eddie at the end of I'll Kill Em Again... and the undercover cop Dial-A-Girl at the end of Vashon II... very babely in her various appearances.
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=49344
Rick
Newport Beach, CA USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 10:57:48 (PDT)
Mike: Mrs. Mannix and i watched the Shatner episode together, and when Elithe Aguiar appeared, i sat in silence but my wife said, "Damn, she's GORGEOUS." I remained silent. Elithe was TOO hot. Great episode also. It's great when Shatner's cool-guy act gets shut down.
OTTO MANNIX
NYC, NY John Randolph - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 10:30:13 (PDT)
The arguing between Steve and Danno was driving me crazy! Otherwise, the show was okay. I'm not crazy about the Kono character; I think she's too young. Otherwise, everyone else is suited to their part.
Barbara
Stamford, CT United States - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 10:20:12 (PDT)
Point taken with You Don't Have To Kill To Get Rich ... though having just quickly re-viewed this show, it doesn't reveal a lot about Ben compared to the other shows for the other characters (Danno, Chin, Duke, Kono) I mentioned.
It is true that Ben probably has more screen time in this show than any other, but his part could have been played by any of the other members of the team.
I love the opening scene where he is telling McGarrett the contents of the telex that he just received. This scene only goes on for about 20 seconds, but you can practically see Jack Lord thinking, "Yeah, yeah, let's get this over."
This show has an unusually high "babe content," by the way. And it's interesting that William Shatner and Jack Lord, especially at the end, never appear together in the same shot (remember that Lord was originally considered for the role of Captain Kirk in Star Trek).
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 10:18:05 (PDT)
CHICK: i 'totally' believed that scene you described. I can't criticize the new show since i didn't see it, but from all the descriptions on this site i'll just skip it.
But what's all this talk about Season 1 being mediocre? Besides MANY incredible episodes, that season had the coolest look. The team are at their youngest and leanest. The downtown shots are gritty, and an excellent peek at 1968 Honolulu. So what if they didn't have their formula perfected? I say they started with a BANG.
OTTO MANNIX
NYC, NY Hilo Hattie - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 10:10:47 (PDT)
Season three... The Ransom, is the one where Kono is in the box...
Cry Lie... one of the best of the best.. scene where McG takes apart the banker who opened the bank account as part of the frame against Chin Ho. McG takes the guy apart piece by piece. The guy just becomes a puddle. It's a thing of beauty.
Rick
Newport Beach, CA USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 10:01:44 (PDT)
Andrew - try the following link http://www.axelmusic.com/productDetails/097368948044 - you'll not incur any customs charges if you order through them.
Steve
UK - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 09:59:57 (PDT)
Does anyone know online where i can get Season 8 on DVD?
Andrew
UK - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 09:49:47 (PDT)
Yuk the new re-make stinks. I hated it. Writing, acting, everything about it was LOUSY. Only good thing about it was the theme (my ringtone forever). Thank God for the DVD sets of the old show. Jack Lord is probably rolling over in his grave shaking his fist at this. He was pompous as all get out and hammed it up a lot but the original cast (especially James MacArthur in a tremendous job as the one and only Danno) was the best. Again: yuk.
Grace
Cleveland, OH USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 09:46:01 (PDT)
I liked the role that Al Harrington played before he became Ben in "The Late John Louisiana" from season three where he played a bad guy. One of the better shows from season three also.
And Mr. Mike is right, a lot of the better shows of Five-O happened when the rest of the team had more to do then say "Yes" or "I'll check on that right now" or something like that.
One of my favorite episodes is "Cry, Lie" that featured Kam Fong in an expanded role. James MaCArthur shined in "Beautiful Screamer." And you know what? I need someone's help here with this one since I can not recall the name of the episode. It was one of Kono's best ones when he was beaten up and put in a crate or something and was rescued in the end by McGarrett. Again, these were some of the best episodes because other people besides Jack Lord were allowed to shine.
Yankee4Life
- Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 09:44:09 (PDT)
I am surprised that so far there has been not much said about the music, either here or elsewhere -- like on the Film Score Monthly board, where you would expect this kind of discussion. Is this a reflection on the score's insignificance?
The score was one of my major beefs with the early version of the pilot I saw, and despite the re-recording of the main theme (beginning and end credits -- the end credits weren't even heard on Global in Canada), things didn't improve much, though I notice the music for the Kono striptease scene has been changed, made louder and more intense, among other things.
The bottom line is: the score for this pilot episode was crap.
Just like someone preparing for a first date, you would expect that the producers would want to make the best possible impression on people with their spanking new pilot. I really have to wonder how much of the show's reported $8 million budget was spent on the score which TWO people worked on, according to the opening credits -- Brian Tyler and Keith Power.
One thing that grabs you about the old pilot is the score, much of which ended up on the soundtrack album. Can you imagine the same thing happening for the new pilot's music?
I can already see a "Music Inspired By" soundtrack for the new Five-O coming out ... which is a fancy way of saying a CD with virtually no original music on it other than one or two pieces which were actually heard in the show, like the iconic main theme. The rest would be complete selections of rap and other drivel which was heard for a few seconds playing in the background.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 09:36:04 (PDT)
Yeah I hate that exaggerated video game tint that the new show has. Why can't they just show Hawaii in its natural beauty and color? I've been to the islands and have taken amazing-looking pictures with my digital camera. Amazing clarity and beauty! But they sure as heck don't have that fake-looking tint to it. Watch season 1 of the original show on DVD and be amazed at the colors practically popping out at you - the islands in their natural beauty. You believe you're looking at the REAL thing. With this show it's all hyper-stylized. Might as well just be a CGI island. I didn't get a feel for Hawaii watching the new show - looks more like the hyper-stylized look when they do those rapid cuts and quick pans over Miami in CSI: Miami.
ringfire211
Philadelphia, PA USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 09:31:13 (PDT)
"Love when Steve finally lets loose and gives ‘em that beat down in ‘The Box.’" -- Right on, bruddah!! The best episode of season! I remember when I first watched 'And They Painted Daisies on His Coffin' thinking that the episode was a bit on the slow side. That is until Big Chick came on the scene and starting spouting "Peace" and "Law is cool" at McGarrett. I totally dug that! Little did I know that this brief appearance was just an appetizer for what was yet to come later in the masterpiece that is 'The Box'. Chick blew my mind, baby! I hated his livin' insides! And he sure hated that 'cruddy cop'. MacLeod should have gotten an Emmy for that performance. He played it like he was born to play that part. Ain't no big t'ing, bruddah!
ringfire211
Philadelphia, PA USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 09:23:12 (PDT)
I think that red bull bonding scene actually ended up on the cutting room floor, Otto. But I enjoyed your inspired casting choices. Why didn’t them CBS suits listen to you? I think your picks woulda given Alec Oh and James Caan Junior a run for their money.
Big Chicken
Seattle, WA - Just Say No to Unnecessary Remakes - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 08:55:59 (PDT)
I'm only talking about Harrington playing Ben. I'm sure you could hold up any of his other roles as having a lot more screen time and a lot more interest than anything Ben did!"
He was playing the role of Ben. Near the end he is recognized by Speer's bodyguard as being a member of Five-0.
BTW... disapointed that I didn't see a whole lot of island locations in the pilot. Just some panoramic helo shots when they came back from commercial. They could have shot it in L.A.
And, not a fan of shooting through that yellow filter.
Rick
Newport Beach, CA USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 08:37:45 (PDT)
My two cents about the new Hawaii Five-O series:
I watched the new series Monday night, but being an old person, I have trouble staying awake past 9 pm, so I taped the program and was glad I did. I didn't really like the new program much when I saw it Monday night. It was just like every other crime show on TV, very formulaic, lots of gun shots, explosions, fast-paced action and bantering dialogue that I often could not follow. No decent plot, per se. Okay, McGarrett Jr was out to avenge his daddy's death at the hands of some villain he had been chasing for 5 years....So I rewatched the tape last night and found a few things that I had missed the night before which leads me to believe that there are fewer merits and more demerits on the tally sheet. This pilot should have been a two-hour premier....too much was squeezed into the 43 or so minutes and it left my head spinning. Here are a few things that bothered me and not just because I am a writer and fan of the original series...
First, the Gov said McGarrett (Jr.) was an Academy grad, with 5 years in Naval Intelligence and 6 years as a Seal. I got the impression that he was in NI before he was a Seal...if that were the case, then why would a Seal be tracking Hess for 5 years....or am I nit-picking, here. If he were still in NI, yes, but as a Seal? H'm...
Also, I found McGarrett's initial conversation with the Governor to be very rude, insolent and way over the top. Clearly, the Navy has changed over the years...but what ever happened to the concept of being an Officer and a Gentleman? Yeah, and being unshaven in uniform...not in my daddy's Navy.
And although McGarrett agrees to head up the special unit and tells the Gov that he will transfer to the reserves...please everyone remember that this country is still very much at war, and realistically....being allowed to transfer to reserve status is highly unlikely. Look at all the service men and women who have had to deploy mutliple times to Iraq and Afghanistan....I can't buy into this plot construct...yes, I know it's just a story but if a story starts out on a phony premise...the rest must naturally follow to be phony as well...
And Steve McGarrett...a full Commander at 33? Wow, I wish! I didn't quite see his stripes, but it looked like he had full commander stripes...that's pretty amazing....only 11 years in....
As to the rest of the show, I thought Kim did an okay job portraying Chin Ho, but the back-story of his being off the HPD force because of allegations of bribery....well, if there had been any truth to such allegations, he would have been indicted and facing charges....or working hard to clear his good name, as the original Chin Ho Kelly did when he was framed for taking a bribe in the original series..
Danno's character was too complicated....one for his clearly stated dislike of the Islands....and two, because, supposedly as a seasoned homicide cop from back east, he allows McGarrett to push him around and put his life in jeopardy. Telling McGarrett that he should apologize for getting him shot was, perhaps, the stupidest dialogue exchange I heard in the whole hour. Having decked McGarrett for putting him in unnecessary danger would have made more sense if their relationship could remain on the testy side for a few weeks. The camaraderie that followed was too much too soon and phony. At least give them a few weeks to get to know one another, to learn to trust one another (Rambo style - I cover your back, you cover mine, a la Seal/Green Beret style), then maybe, they'll develope some respect for one another and become a TEAM. Relationships need to evolve and they don't evolve overnight. I know that if I were a cop and were saddled with a hot-head that put my life in jeopardy unnecessarily....I wouldn't like it at all and I certainly wouldn't buy into his way of doing things....particularly if I had a small child to care about.
And as for Kono, well, sigh....hopefully the writers will give her something to evolve into besides a Victoria Secrets model....By the way, cops who commit assault and battery on people are frowned upon. Slugging the guy on the beach who cut her off was another stupid piece of fiction and Kono, fresh out of the police academy, doesn't appear to have any regard for the LAW....I'd have sued her...
I'm sure we'll see Hesse/Marsden again...no corpse floating...and as everyone knows, dead men float for a while before they sink for a time....but they made no mention of not having found his body? But, hey, again it's just a detail and got to have room for the commercials, right?
Overall, rating a C, or maybe a C-. I'll tune in again next week to see if any of these items have been cleared up. Meanwhile, it's back to work on script number 6 for HFO...it's so much more fun to write them with the original cast in mind than to watch the new version on the "Boob Tube".
Aloha
Elaine
Watertown, MA - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 08:36:38 (PDT)
Wasn't Al playing Ben playing a hitman in You Don't Have To Kill To Get Rich?
One of Ben's best was his very first, when he was old friends with Chris Lahani in Death is a Company Policy.
What was Frank's memorable moment? I liked Doug Mossman as Frank and also as a cop in the early seasons. Frank said "right away" in hurried manner a lot...
Hans
Boston, MA USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 08:31:12 (PDT)
Found these two items when doing a Google search regarding the main title.
https://www.theiabm.org/527548.html
A brief but interesting posting on how some of the photography for the new show was done. Google "Pictorvision" for more information.
http://bit.ly/93xKjz
Check the comments section in this one for what it says about the union situation connected with the show. Can anyone in Hawaii or who has worked on the show add anything?
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 08:16:31 (PDT)
I'm only talking about Harrington playing Ben. I'm sure you could hold up any of his other roles as having a lot more screen time and a lot more interest than anything Ben did!
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 08:15:39 (PDT)
Al Harrington in You Don't Have To Kill To Get Rich went under cover as a hit-man hired by Shatner's character Sam Toliver. That's the biggest role for Al that comes to mind.
Rick
Newport Beach, CA USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 08:05:31 (PDT)
The shows where the old Five-O team actually had a major role or spoke up or said something other than the usual "Yes, boss," "I'm on it, Steve," etc., are the shows that are more memorable. For example, Pig in a Blanket and Beautiful Screamer for James MacArthur, Cry, Lie and Engaged to be Buried for Kam Fong, The Ransom and Cloth of Gold for Zulu, Death is a Company Policy and Lion in the Streets for Herman Wedemeyer. I am hard-pressed to think of a single show where Al Harrington had a "memorable moment." The scene where he pulls his badge out at the end of I'm a Family Crook -- Don't Shoot is like a ray of sunshine suddenly coming out on a gloomy day! There were also a few shows where Danno actually opened his mouth to McGarrett, disagreeing with his boss -- again, something you remember.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 07:52:36 (PDT)
Actually, the methodical approach is still done - but mostly by the British, in such shows as the wonderful "Foyle's War."
And even that is starting to disappear, as British television writers and producers have been fighting with TV executives over the content and quality of shows, too.
Sylvia
Pembroke Pines, FL USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 07:31:33 (PDT)
Hans...I think that was a pretty fair statement about the old series where Steve was like Batman to his 3 Robins. I absolutely loved the old series but the only thing that did annoy me about it was when the 3 of them stood around and rarely opened their mouths to Steve. I've worked for bosses that I totally admired and respected but I never stood quiet like a Barbie doll when they spoke. I like the banter between Alex and Scott's characters but I also like that it is apparent that Steve is calling the shots.
I look forward to the next few episodes where things can be fleshed out even more.
Barbara
Chicago, IL USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 07:21:47 (PDT)
Re: "I agree with Nadja about the methodical approach of the original being one of its strengths, but that just isn't done anymore. Partly because people have shorter attention spans, partly because there isn't enough time due to all the commercials. So the opening to How to Steal a Masterpiece would probably run, I don't know, maybe ten seconds! Oh, and it would be accompanied by some idiotic pop song." - - -
That's right. Let's promote illiteracy and drug-fried brains at every opportunity. The fact that so many people are still gravitating to THE H50 after all these many years shows that we do still have the requisite attention spans and appreciation for music composed by classically trained musicians. There is no need to play down to those illiterate drug-fried brains.
H50 1.0 FOREVER
MY HEART IS IN, HAWAI`I - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 07:12:31 (PDT)
I agree with Nadja about the methodical approach of the original being one of its strengths, but that just isn't done anymore. Partly because people have shorter attention spans, partly because there isn't enough time due to all the commercials. So the opening to How to Steal a Masterpiece would probably run, I don't know, maybe ten seconds! Oh, and it would be accompanied by some idiotic pop song.
Chris
Columbus, OH USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 06:15:11 (PDT)
"Just wish I could have seen Danno sock Steve in the original show.... and I'm eagerly awaiting Jim's guest appearance too."
and people wonder why James likes the new show ;-)
Not saying the new show is nearly as good as the old, but that banter between the new guys is more real... these days people would not buy that thing with Steve as Batman and the other 3 guys as his Robins... some of that old banter was cringe worthy...
and the drinking... Steve was not a teetotaler, he drank champagne in the pilot and Danno drank several times, he had a thing about shooting people after a few beers... and the scene with the crew drinking Rolling Rock or Red Bull at the end, yes, a little cheesy but no match for Jenny singing "you're 21 today" at Steve's office birthday party...
Hans
Boston, MA USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 06:06:46 (PDT)
Well - and beautifully - said, Nadja! You're exactly right. My husband and I were discussing it last night and said what aired Monday night could have been filmed anywhere. The Faux Steve and Faux Danno could have been speeding across the Brooklyn Bridge. The Faux Steve could have fought Victor Hesse atop an intermodal container and knocked him into the East River. Where on planet Earth was Hawai`i in that miserable excuse of a television program?
H50 1.0 FOREVER
MY HEART IS IN, HAWAI`I - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 05:16:00 (PDT)
Big Chick said: My favorite scene was where the faux Steve & Danno down their red bulls and Faux-Steve says “let’s go get the dudes who killed my dad, brah” and Faux-Danno answers “totally"
Yo, was that REALLY in the show? Jeez, i'm glad i was out having a beer and missed the whole thing. I would have turned off the set after ten minutes. Sounds like about two-thirds of you all gave it the thumbs down.
Big Chick and Boris: Did you guys see my picks for the new cast. I think my comment got buried in the avalanche: http://ottomannixreport.blogspot.com/
OTTO MANNIX
NYC, NY Loretta Swit - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 04:55:16 (PDT)
I tried to give this remake a chance, but it didn't work.There is so much wrong that I don't know where to start.The banter is very very annoying and the new Steve and Danno don't look professionals , just two guys ready to party. The acting leaves much to be desired.If I say mediocre I am being generous.This is why I always said remakes are a bad idea.Same as "V" last year,that premiered with 13.9 million and a 5 demo, even better than Hawaii five-O, and then fall to 7 million viewers. Well, I have tried, No more.:(
Paula
- Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 03:57:45 (PDT)
So, I did watch it and sorry, like so many already did say here this is not Hawaii Five-O, in my opinion also. So, seems I have many things wrong, but then I would have misinterpreted totally the Hawaiian ways, the slow and calm, easygoing, one step at a time, hang loose philosophy.
This show was a cramp, overpowered, stressful and hasty, artificial in many ways.
Not even the colors were true.
This is like a computer game with a ticker "You reached the next level! Your mission now is...."
In the original I liked the slowness. I liked to watch a guy climb down a hotel front for nearly five minutes. I liked to watch how someone put together a gun in every single step. I liked the view in the streets and the back alleys, surrounded by that wonderful nature.
The differences between the maolis and haoles in the way to take and handle things were shown and understandable that short after the statehood.
Okay, there's a show shot in Hawai'i, bringing jobs and money and helps maybe a lot of people making ends meet in the future. But it's not Hawaii Five-O and it's not a show I'm interested in.
I prefer to visit the islands, see it for myself, the true colors, the true people, make my own experiences and feel sorry for all the people who do not have the opportunity and have to take that show for real in a way.
Nadja
Berlin, - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 01:21:05 (PDT)
...2 points; One, I, too, think season 1 is great. The marathon they just ran caught me...making me watch as much as I could, and I don't type that as one who is just blindly in love with 5-O. I enjoy many older shows, and this is just one of them. They knew how to tell a story.
Two; and none seem directed at me, but I'm always amazed how, on boards like this, people have to get so personal. A couple of recent posters don't like the fact that others remain loyal to the old show. Disagree and critique all you want. But why get personal? Silly nonsense.
Mark
Preston, CT USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 01:13:07 (PDT)
Well said, Chicken. The whole point of Hawaii Five-0 was that these guys were complete PROFESSIONALS so dedicated to the business of criminal investigation that nothing else mattered. They did not have time to bicker. They could not, would not, and did not ever sit on the beach wearing cargo pants drinking Bud Light Lime or whatever. I can accept faux Danno having a personality. I can accept faux Kono being an underwear model. But I can't accept the creators of this show missing the main point of the series. The 5-0 unit did not close 270-odd serious criminal cases by being distracted by toddlers or crazy ex-wives. No, it was their focus and single-mindedness that made their reputation.
Maxine
Brooklyn, NY - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 00:24:52 (PDT)
“Just because you call something Hawaii Five-0 doesn’t mean it is Hawaii Five-0.” True Dat, Boris!
People said ‘Chicken, you gotta give this new show a chance. Chicken, you gotta have an open mind.
What the remakers fail to grasp is that the reason Steve and Five-O were able to track down international criminals & terrorists was due to their methodical, diligent and absolutely uber-thorough police work. This was an elite team at the top of their game. McGarrett, Danno, Chin and Kono, they was some bad-ass PO—LICE.
But the character the remakers try to pass off as McGarrett is running around half-cocked on some half-assed personal vendetta. He takes the oath to lead Five-O over his cell phone! Really? Seriously? Steve McGarrett?
My favorite scene was where the faux Steve & Danno down their red bulls and Faux-Steve says “let’s go get the dudes who killed my dad, brah” and Faux-Danno answers “totally”
This is the lauded remake from the celebrated producers? Did these cats even ever watch Hawaii Five-O? Someone should them some of the DVDs.
Not your daddy’s Five-O? Not No One’s Five-O. Not even remotely resembling Five-O.
Reboot? I think the empty suits at CBS who green-lighted this deal should be rebooted out of a job.
Big Chicken (Original recipe - Never Rebooted)
Seattle, WA USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 23:18:04 (PDT)
I’ll back you up on that, Ringfire. Season 1 and Season 3 got my votes as the best seasons of the whole 12 year run. Taken episode by episode, think it’s hard to beat Season 1. Recall it even scored the highest on Mr. Mike’s season by season rating system.
The Big Chick is my favorite Five-0 bad guy as well. Love when Steve finally lets loose and gives ‘em that beat down in ‘The Box.’ MCGARRETT UNLEASHED in another memorable moment from the landmark first season.
Big Chicken
Seattle, WA - I believe in the Law, The Law is cool - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 22:05:36 (PDT)
Just because you call something Hawaii Five-0 doesnt mean it is Hawaii Five-0. For example, someone's ass could be named Hawaii Five-0 and that doesnt mean it is Hawaii Five-0. You could name a toaster Hawaii Five-0. You might do this if you like to put Polynesian fruit spread on your toast. Then that could be sensible name for your toaster. Hawaii Five-0 was a sensible name for this piece of shit show that came out last because it helped make television executes lots of money! But it is in no way actually Hawaii Five-0.
Mike - thanks for the info on Kwan. I plan to rewatch those episodes, epsecially the rancher episode because I don't remember seeing him in that.
boris
spfld, ma usa - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 22:03:14 (PDT)
I DVR'd the new show.
At first pass, I disliked it a lot as I was constantly comparing it to the original, which I loved dearly.
An evening later, I sat down and watched it again, this time not attempting to mentally connect or tie it to the previous series - my reaction was somewhat more favorable; there could be some potential here if they get more character focused and less glitzy/splashy sfx oriented. I'm willing to give it a season to see how it goes.
I guess I'd have like to seen a "reboot" show like this not try to use the original names - why couldn't McGarrett be a nephew of Steve, Dan Williams Jr, etc. That way, they would not have to meet any expectations of the old characters.
TB
Todd B.
Mansfield, OH US - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 21:54:39 (PDT)
It is too bad that Mr. Mike Quigley does not have a forum set up to have his guests post their messages in instead of this format. Because if a forum was set up you could ignore certain users on it and my first choice would be Elizabeth M. Boggs, a person who proves that all the nutcases do not reside in New York or Philadelphia.
She stated that it "was the worst hour spent in my entire life." How melodramatic. Well then nutsy, when next Monday rolls around at 10pm don't watch the show. Problem solved. But you won't do that. You are going to tune in again just to come in here to post another long winded and boring tirade about how this show is "a cheap piece of junk." Again, your words.
You seem to forget that this is just a television show, but of course that's going over your head too. I had to laugh at one of your complaints of the new show when you said "Steven McGarrett was born on the East coast." Um, no he wasn't. He was born wherever Leonard Freeman wanted him to be born. He just happened to choose the Eastern U.S. If Leonard Freeman wanted him to be born in New Mexico, Steve McGarrett would have been born there. You get it now? He's a character. Jack Lord brought life to that character Steve McGarrett but he wasn't Steve McGarrett.
It's also funny how you compare the histories of each of the new cast members on Five-O to the previous ones like they were real life people. So what that the background history of Danno #1 (James MacArthur) and Danno #2 (Scott Caan) are different? What a travesty that is!! Makes you want to run out in traffic to end it all!
But you are dead wrong on one thing you wrote and it was about the origin of Danny Williams being called Danno. You said "“Danno” was the brotherly nickname Lord’s character dubbed for his good friend, Dan Williams." Close, but no cigar. Danno was the nickname of one of Jack Lord's actual childhood friends. One day Lord said it in passing to MaCArthur and MaCArthur stopped and said something like "Danno? Where did that come from?" and then Lord explained it to him and from then on it was in the show full time. I read this piece of information on Mike Quigley's site. You see, I'm a fan of the show and I like to read about the show and educate myself on the show. In no way do I treat this as real life like you seem to.
I think this new show has a lot going for it already after just one show. I mean, they already got rid of you for good. That's saying something.
Yankee4Life
- Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 20:45:02 (PDT)
Honolulu TV item about a guy who owns a piece of Five-O history: http://www.kpho.com/local-video/index.html?grabnetworks_video_id=4343699
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 20:40:35 (PDT)
I just re-watched the pilot episode courtesy of Time Warner VOD (available in my area) and I will stick with my view of last night--it was a very solid show. The plot does come at you very fast--but remember in 1968 the show had 52-54 minutes of show time versus 44-46 now because of more commercials (maybe even less). The show would have probably been better served with a 90 minute or two hour pilot, but the acting,directing & production were spot on IMO.....I love the original show, but I really enjoyed the re-do and I think it is obvious that the people running the new show do too....
Jerry
Cincinnati, OH USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 20:33:43 (PDT)
Honestly people, if you are so offended that Five-0 was re-made, then don't watch and don't be "Five-0" snobs! Comparing two shows that debuted 40 years apart is simply ridiculous. 1980 was a long time ago, and most of the original cast is gone. (And, sorry to be the one to tell you, it lasted 2 seasons too long...like M*A*S*H*) I'm a fan of the original, ran home from school in the 80's to watch the reruns, became a Ventures fan, and have the 1st 6 seasons on DVD (so far). I thought the new version was going to suck but, I actually liked it! Just wish I could have seen Danno sock Steve in the original show....and I'm eagerly awaiting Jim's guest appearance too.
Mrs. Moroney
The Jersey Shore, NJ USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 20:23:47 (PDT)
A lot of mixed reviews for the new version of the show. I'll probably make up my mind when I see it which looks like being in early 2011 here is Australia. Sometimes networks will fastrack a show (fastracking is airing a show from the USA within hours or days after its US airing) but this only usually happens with established shows.
With new shows they will wait to see what happens with the show in the USA to see whether it is hit or a failure. If it ends up being a failure then then show's premiere will be further delayed. The Aussie TV season is from early February to late November, so even if they fastrack it, there will be a break of a couple of months over the summer. Once it does air here I'll let you know of the reactions here.
No news as to when they plan to sell seasons 8 and 9 DVDs of the original show here either. I'm glad I got mine from the USA as it looks like it could be a long time.
JulieS
Australia - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 20:00:21 (PDT)
I missed it last night and just saw it on DVR. Not bad, better than I expected actually. I’ve never seen a single episode of CSI, NCS, NCSI, ICS, 24, 48 or any of those shows so I couldn’t tell you how it compares. A little heavy on the guns, maybe that’ll calm down. It’s just one episode…
I got to say I enjoyed seeing Dano slugging Steve and giving him some lip. After all those years of yes sir, no sir, right away boss, how high boss, whatever you say…
I think Daniel and Grace are the best actors they could get, why settle for less just because they are local? Or are there better local actors than them? I don’t honestly know and hopefully they infuse more local talent but those 2 sure ain’t ugly, none of them are.
So many opinions, “they shoulda got some guy from NJ to play Danno instead of some guy playing a guy from NJ”… on and on... and the racist comment, lol… if this new show is racist, what was the original?
Hans
Boston, MA USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 19:24:09 (PDT)
As you can see in my last post I am glad I didnt project this to my friends as a "must see". I think outside of the Mercury there was NOTHING. I was very dissatisfied because they abandoned the original series completely. They didn't even do a reflection of the real McGarrett in an original scene quoting something of valor to the real original Dano.
Again they didn't even have the new McGarrett drive the old Mercury he showed up in a Yellow Cab at some point instead,now how lame is that? I imagined that Mercury burning real rubber and avenging the slightly known villon. As for newbies its kinda sad they got cheated by not understanding the real Five-O to begin with."Where old meets new" should have been the premiere theme, nope they couldnt even do that.CBS needs to Listen or this fast paced neurotic flash bang will be a flash in the pan very soon.
DJ
Kalamazoo, MI USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 19:17:05 (PDT)
As I once said, professionally, I never come to the table unless well-armed. It took a HELL of a lot of self-restraint to have to sit for just an hour (that seemed like an eternity) to be in a position to write this. Afterward, I must have spent all day with my head in the loo. My fiance', how I pity him, in that he sat in equal sufference and disbelief and anger as I did.
Steven McGarrett (Jack Lord) may have had a Naval career (actually, Merchant Marine, as in his case), but at least, he had the dignity to avoid getting a damned tattoo. And too smart, too. I maintain that this guy looks like a refugee from the gutter, clad in Goodwill rejects, and unbathed for a month. In fact, ALL of these sorry excuses for 'characters' need a good overhaul to at least make them presentable for the public.
Not to mention something that should NEVER have happened in the first place. Thieves are still thieves, and stupid thieves are thieves as well. No matter HOW you package it. A sickening disgrace...
Elizabeth M. Boggs
Bellingham, WA United States of America - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 18:37:39 (PDT)
"And yes, the first season of the original 5-0 was not that good."
Whadya shattered? We are talkin' bout Hawaii Five-O, right? You sure you on the right website, brudda?
Big Chicken
Seattle, WA - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 18:32:18 (PDT)
"And yes, the first season of the original 5-0 was not that good." -- What da heck? Since when? Personally I think along with season 5 it's the best season of the whole show! I think Big Chicken will back me up on this! Speaking of which, that's the season that featured my all time favorite Five-0 villain. Sorry but Wo Fat can't compete with Big Chicken. Gavin MacLeod for me will always be the BIG CHICK!!!! I can understand some arguments that the first season was still trying to find its footing and we certainly didn't get anything on the level of the Vashon trilogy in that season but to say it was not that good is ridiculous! It must have been the most exciting thing on television that season! As with every new season it doesn't automatically become a ratings hit in its very first season. Most shows usually peak by the second or third season. But the first season was GREAT from the get-go, bruddah!!! I'm sure there wasn't anything even remotely terrifying on TV at the time then the pilot teaser where Hennessy's body is lifted from the cocoon and his face mask is taken off by Wo Fat and we hear this terrifying scream with the image of the cotton in the mouth... and then the opening wave rolls! Sends chills down my spine to this day!
ringfire211
Philadelphia, PA USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 18:28:38 (PDT)
Dear God, this was far worse than even I thought it would be on so many fronts. This is just a sample listing that it took everything on my part to avoid throwing up when writing. From beginning to end, it was a travesty in the way it destroyed continuity of the original to deliberately deleting and rewriting time lines. It was God-awful to watch and was the worst hour spent in my entire life. These erstwhile ‘creators’ who developed the prequel to the original “Star Trek (featuring a totally out of character Uhura horning over Spock and other equal, incredibly inane plotlines that tanked the movie)” did the same mutilation for “Hawaii Five-O”. The only problem; “Star Trek” was a one-time sufferance you had to go to the movies to see, this creation is going to be an every-week disgrace that continues to despoil the original. God forbid.
Steven McGarrett was born on the East coast (hence Jack Lord’s own birth) and his own father was murdered during a criminal act when Steve was only 13 or so. He served with distinction in the United States Navy, culminating in a highly-polished Intelligence career that enhanced his eventual service in the police. “Yesterday Died and Tomorrow Won’t be Born” showcases that side. He came to the Islands in 1959, shortly after Hawaii joined the other 49, and was appointed by the then-Governor (yes, a MAN) to head up the new police organization. How in the bloody HELL could these jerks rewrite this the way they did. Simple; youthful arrogance that dictates that whatever you can’t or won’t understand, you wreak havoc over and demolish to recreate. This story is as far as you can get from the original, it makes you sick. As usual, these idiots are digging their own graves, metaphorically-speaking and taking our beloved show with them. Trashing the Mercury was another example of this concept; removing the engine of the car was symbolic that they removed the ‘heart’ of the show by permanently removing all the qualities that made this show a knockout winner, and viewers are stuck with this cheap piece of junk.
As usual, excessive violence and firepower are routinely used to compensate for the poor lack of effective and professional acting skills. Whether Grace Park knows it or not, she, too, is being used strictly for ‘eye candy’ benefit to keep (predominately male) viewers glued to their screens. Combined with that, acrobatics ala’ Cirque d’Soleil further prove that the woeful lack of quality acting is evident. The use of profanity (“S** of a B****”) throughout demonstrated an inability to intelligently express thoughts or ideas. It clearly demonstrated the gutter-level these ’creators’ have brought “Hawaii Five-O”; THEIR level.
The original Dan “Danno” Williams was educated on the Mainland and earned a degree in Criminal Sciences at U.C. Berkeley before he moved to Honolulu, joining Five-O. I repeat, this ’rewrite’ garbage placed him in New Jersey and Scotty-Who presents him as somebody with a long laundry list of personal and psychological problems which include (during a car ride) insults for Hawaii and her people and beaches. He lives like a slob, unkempt appearance, wrinkled shirts, a face with enough growth that would need a weed eater to cut through. He faces life with jaded hostility that unleashes his inner conflicts. These two jerks present a combative and adversarial front that completely flies in the face of the professionalism and comraderie Jack Lord and James MacArthur shared. How James MacArthur could possibly endorsed this presentation that makes him out in such a negative way makes me wonder two things; was he even aware how visually insulting and denigrating this was to the public (and, yes, embarrassing) and how much was he compensated for this ill-advised endorsement? My most heartfelt sympathies lie with this man and how terribly bad I feel for him.
The original Chin-Ho was a former Honolulu police officer (in real life, for 18 years) turned Five-O officer. He served with outstanding dedication and with an unblemished record of distinction until his murder (in season 10) in the line of duty. The new illusion is hardly a comparison for this character that he, in no way, bears any resemblance to. This is a deliberate affront to this character. If anything, these dark themes are counterproductive to an already-dismal and doomed failure that has already spent millions to promote this disgusting and demoralizing waste of effort. There is no exhibition of kindness, compassion, or empathy among the ensemble or any of the humanistic qualities that set this show apart and forged the unity it was famous for. In fact, it is a dark, empty void grabbing at whatever it can for survivals’ sake.
Jean Smart should return to “Designing Women”; totally unfit for this role, as she generates histronic emotion and lacks the and mental stability of Richard Denning as a seasoned Administrator. Her attempts at conrol are nebulous and add to the already-established certainty that this is a farcical and demeaning fiasco put together by a group of money-hungry individuals who care nothing for quality and are incapable of developing it on their own.
While McGarrett/Jack Lord strove for Constitutional specifics when building cases, beating suspects, violating civil rights, vigilante ’justice’ that runs contrary to procedural, by-the-book administration, this incarnation thinks nothing of using it to his own advantage, whether it makes sense or not. In fact, nothing seen last night could hold up in the real sense. The intelligent forethought, common sense, and productive aspect of the original bear not a whit on this disgusting fiasco. There can be no doubt that stacked up against the wisdom and care that went into McGarrett/Jack Lord’s creation and this renegade (“New Cop”) style that the former would win out without effort. There is nothing but carelessness, arrogance, and negligence to the credit of poor acting and the woeful lack of any authenticity that earned the original an enduring and lasting reputation for it.
“Danno” was the brotherly nickname Lord’s character dubbed for his good friend, Dan Williams. It was NOT William’s child who first coined it as a substitute for ’daddy’. Need it be stressed further that Dan Williams was single, never married, and certainly had no children. He enjoyed life beyond the office; tennis, the beach (contrary to the insults hurled at it by Scotty-Who), and other pursuits. Whatever was seen on the original in the way of (briefly-exposed) private lives was just that. It cannot be rewritten or expounded upon in ANY way. “Five-O” was named as such by the then-Governor when he appointed McGarrett in 1959, not by an assembly of odd, ragtag Goodwill-wearing rejects that disgrace the original concept. This show will NEVER be seen in my home again in any way, shape, or form. From here on, starting with “Cocoon”, Monday nights will be a far more intelligent experience. In fact, today begins a marathon run to get the bad taste out of my mouth over last night’s unimaginable garbage, as it were.
By the way, my anticipation of the incarnation morphing into a soap opera was right-on. To complete this worthless piece of crap, maybe Procter and Gamble would offer to co-sponsor. As for those little private lives, again a weak attempt to secure viewer participation into exploring those little closeted secrets. When, Dear God, will the viewers get smart?
Elizabeth M. Boggs
Bellingham, WA United States of America - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 18:23:51 (PDT)
Although I agree with everything you said, Jama - and everyone who knows me here and on my site knows I'm no fan of this new show - I must qualify one statement you made about the mis-pronounced words. The first season or two of the original Five-0 was just as bad. Kaua`i was pronounced cow-eye. Ouch! But,yes. That's how McGarrett pronounced it, and he wasn't alone. He slaughtered other words just as badly. The directions were terrible ("He's going Diamond Head on Ala Wai." (I hope not.) "He's going north on Monserrat." (Huh?)). Hopefully, the pronunciation and directions will improve. If you, who live there, tell them how the words are supposed to be pronounced, maybe it will improve sooner, rather than later.
As for the lack of Hawaiian actors being hired for the show, that is a very real problem. Those of us who have been writing letters and posting here since this re-invention began have said time and again that they need to hire people who live in Hawai`i, not only to portray people who live in Hawai`i, but also to add correct details that make the difference between mediocre and great. Keep fighting the battle. Admittedly, it is an uphill battle, but keep fighting it, anyway. When they have a casting call, round up all who are interested and camp out on their doorstep. Then, be as knowledgeable and helpful as you can be. It's the only way you're going to be noticed, and being noticed is what it's all about.
H50 1.0 FOREVER AND EVER AND EVER
MY HEART IS IN, HAWAI`I (Too bad the rest of me isn't) - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 18:04:34 (PDT)
McMahon I think and I am sorry Cain.
elsie
usa - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 17:58:24 (PDT)
I like Josh and could see him in the role. I also heard it was neck and neck with Julian McMan(not too sure of last name-sorry) from Charmed and Nip/Tuck. He even has the hair. I could have seen him in the role. He's a bit older also. I also like Dean Caan.
Elsie
USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 17:50:05 (PDT)
I agree with some of you about how the show is heading in a different direction. It's like another police show. The characters are not even close. They can't pronounce the Hawaiian words or slang. McGarrett character is not McGarrett, no leadership, firmness, maturity, height and much ore! What manny don't know is that Josh Duhamel of the tv series Las Vegas was their first choice and I think he could do a much better job plus he has the height and yes, he can say those Hawaiian words. Dean Cain was walso considered as Dano and would have been perfect also. Once again, politics. They said they wanted local actors but they used their people. Like they always say, the locals don't have the talent except for extras. Chin Ho Korean? People who know his family know they are pissed off..lol. But over all, it is not Hawaii Five-0! It's just another police show. The Hawaiian Spirit is not in it or it would have show and we locals all know, it would have been supported by the locals 100% the next thing they'll do is add "The Dog" in one of their series. What they don't show is that The Dog agreement is they do not show him and his family getting their A$$ kick in the show. Oh well, I just wish more locals would open their mouth than the producers will pressure out and will cause them to make many changes or lose their investors which is what they we're worried about, racism! ALOHA!!!!!...not ALOH-ERRR Alex O!
Jama
Kapolei, HI USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 17:43:31 (PDT)
Hey Mr. Mike, how can I get the music you have on the guestbook including the Hookman scores and new Five-O theme recordings? Great stuff. Thanks!! As to the new show, it's not the original, but if you take it for what it is, at least we can see some of Hawaii. I plan to see it next week.
PGC
PGC
Randleman, NC 27317 - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 17:35:25 (PDT)
FROM CANADA GLOBAL TV:
Pre-show ad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvjm6Jb78sw
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The following is the end credits of the pilot as shown on Global. The actual credits (which are very hard to read and run by very quickly) are squeezed up into the upper right hand corner and there is a commercial for Glee which takes up most of the screen. The iconic Hawaii Five-O theme, which CBS spent a lot of money re-recording, is not heard at all!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MekqAq68JEI
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 17:08:10 (PDT)
"And yes, the first season of the original 5-0 was not that good."
Ummm... Really? ...cause all this time I'm thinking that it was.
Rick
Newport Beach, CA USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 17:03:27 (PDT)
I once saw Hume Cronyn on 44th Street and i was SO tempted to tell him how much i love Lewis Avery Filer, but considering his illustrious career on Broadway and in film (Hitchcock films included), i couldn't bring myself to possibly insult him. But coming from me, it would not have been an insult.
OTTO MANNIX
NYC, NY Herman Wedemeyer - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 16:52:24 (PDT)
...I realize there will be some that say I'm comparing the new series with the old, too much. Nevertheless, here's my limited review. A few seconds into the new version, I could see it was, unsurprisingly, like every action movie or show looks now. Jerky, MTV inspired camera movements and rapid editing, all combined with that "digitally filmed" look, that is very harsh, combined with another forgetable, too young, bland and pretty leading man, made me give the show all of 8 minutes. The guy who played McGarrett's father was the only "man" I saw in the opening minutes. I'm really surprised that this overly gritty style of TV show making hasn't worn thin, yet. This looks like every other police show on. Digitally slick packaging, with no meat and potatoes. I won't be checking out episode 2.
Mark
Preston, CT USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 16:42:53 (PDT)
Actually, the 1968-69 season had some of the best episodes of the series, including "And They Painted Daisies On His Coffin," "The Box" and the "Once Upon a Time" 2-parter.
The first two were written by John D.F. Black, one of the finest of the Five-O scribes; alas, he didn't write for the show again after Season 4.
Sylvia
Pembroke Pines, FL USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 16:41:23 (PDT)
Well the 74 mercury made a debut, but after that one and only original moment it was a cross between.... 1.Rambo mixed with 2.Fast and the Furious that led into 3. Jerry Springer. Failure is imminent for this sad remake if it remains written much the same as the premier.
The villan was only visible for about 3 minutes and much of the rest of the show was disrespectful b#%$$ing from the PMS stricken Governor on down to Kono punching someone for knocking HER off a surfboard by accident. Then right on to Dano hitting someone with an ashtray and then topped that off by b#$$#g at his ex wife on a cell phone while power sliding^at 110 MPH on a boardwalk to capture the villan we never even seen any character in. They should have named it " The A Team gets PMS and ADHD" Or better yet the experiment of poor results from mixing monster drinks with Ak47's in Hawaii. Sorry boys this isnt going to get it! CSI: Miami already exists and its better!
DJ
Kalamazoo , MI USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 16:24:37 (PDT)
The first episode was a lot better than I thought it would be. However, the plotting and continuity were not great. But I guess that's beside the point as this episode was designed to introduce the cast.
I liked the references to the old series... Chinn Ho being accused of being on the take, "Book'em Danno", etc.
And yes, the first season of the original 5-0 was not that good. So let's wait to see what kind of writing and directing emerges on this series.
Mike Bee
Pasadena, CA USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 16:06:25 (PDT)
"With all the money and Buzz CBS invested in this remake, 13.8 for the premiere is not good enough. And numbers will go down next week."
13.8 is fine for a shot on video show, and it can get a lot lower before they will go off the air... as I have pointed out, the new H50 is skimping on production quality. It is shot mainly with the Sony F35 CineAlta although the Sony EX3 industrial handycam and consumer Canon EOS 5D Mark III digital SLR are being increasingly used with the first several episodes according to the DP on the show... clearly going low budget here folks! I doubt they will keep up all the explosions and stunts that are in the pilot, too. And let me guess, the lighting will probably become flat as they cut down on the grip equipment they are stocking on their truck.
Thanks to Mike for the video link below... the DP talks about it being video and using the Canon entirely for a scene in some Cnet videos.
Dalen Quaice
Burbank, CA USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 15:53:00 (PDT)
Check out this fight scene between Jack Lord and Gary Cooper from the film "Man Of The West.
I've never seen a fight quite like this one. Toward the end of the brawl Gary Cooper tears the clothes off of Jack because his character had raped or abused some woman earlier in the story.
Even Lee J. Cobb exclaims at the end of fight, "I never saw like that in all my life....." Damn straight! Me neither!
Jack was 38 at the time this was filmed in 1958.
One of the most intense fights in a western I've ever seen.
Here's the Youtube link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRR1cFytGS4
Paul
Boston, MA U.S.A. - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 15:14:35 (PDT)
I don't know about anyone else but I just love the Curator of James MacArthur's website!!!
Yankee4Life
- Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 14:58:22 (PDT)
Thought for sure there would be a Hawaiian - or at least part Hawaiian, as "Steve McGarrett". OK, "John McGarrett was an Anglo but still.. Alex O'Loughlin is OK but he's Australian. Plus, "Chin Ho" and "Kona/Kono" are both part Korean. Not meant as a put down but why not Hawaiian actor/actress? First episode was good but heard that the producer or director will not be the same in ensuing episodes. Let's hope Hawaii 5-0 lasts longer than some of the other Hawaii-base "cop shows".
Bob H
Las Vegas, NV usa - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 14:38:41 (PDT)
My husband & I were fans of the original Hawaii 5-0 with Jack Lord. We were looking forward to viewing the new series. We were extremely disappointed with last night's show (Monday, September 20, 2010)for the following reasons:
1- Main cast was not introduced properly so we could not determine who was who until later in the program.
2- The two main characters both had the unkempt "unshaved " look that is so popular today. I can't believe that Steve was shown in his naval uniform with his face not clean-shaven. My Dad was a Captain in the Navy and I'm certain even today that this is not allowed by the Naval Authorities.
3- The new series is obviously aimed to attract young viewers (rat-a-tat-tat) with an extreme amount of violence (and hints about sexual conquests in the future.) Everything was soooo upbeat (includung the music) that it was difficult to understand the dialogue at times. We had a hard time following what was happening because the reason for the actions were unclear. Did Steve find the man who killed his father? What was the reason for killing all those men at the warehouse? Why did Steve and Danno attack the warehouse without backup???
Ana
Keaau, HI Hawaii - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 14:31:23 (PDT)
"The actor who plays McGarrett is a poor sub for Jack Lord. Unattractive, small in stature, not big and broadshouldered like Lord"
Alex was given a personal trainer for his role in The Back Up Plan and he has retained him ever since. He is 6'1" and very well built. Good looking is a personal opinion. Most think he is.
BTW: I just love the criticism comparing one episode as not working with a show that was on the air 12 years. I remember a comment here some time ago that H50#1 was not working well and had low ratings the first year, but CBS hung in with it and it gelled excellently afterward.
How about giving the new show time to find its legs and Alex time to build the character of Steve? He hasn't had much opportunity to do that. Why don't you give him and the show at least 4-5 episodes to build the relationships? Doesn't it deserve the time the first H50 had to work out the kinks?
keeping it real
LA, CA USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 14:18:58 (PDT)
Thanks for the heads-up about that piece of dreck in the "National Perspirer." Don't take it too literally, though. JM never gave any interview to any "Alan Smith." As is that rag's usual way of doing business, they've kludged together some half-truths, some common knowledge, and some info readily available just about anywhere you look.
Of course, the "time is right" quote is lifted directly from the speech Al Harrington read at the premiere a week ago -- that's already been in just about every online publication in the entertainment business. In fact, I believe that whole paragraph about the new show being a hit and so forth is pretty much word for word the same thing that's appeared in any number of publications in the last week.
The "broken ribs" thing is half-true too. On MARCH 9th -- almost SEVEN months ago -- JM sustained one CRACKED rib in a tennis accident. He never went to the ER, though, and he certainly didn't break two ribs! And all that "it's still painful" and "I try not to laugh" stuff is crap.
Not sure how this article came to be -- my guess is that the guy was actually at either the Chicago or the LA signing event (or both) back in March and April. I know the photo is from the April event. Who knows who took that. There were zillions of people there snapping away. JM did talk about his cracked rib at the March event (that took place only four days after his fall on the tennis court), and he could very well have mentioned it to somebody in April, so maybe that's where that came from -- with the usual NE embellishments.
The crowing about living another 20 years (while hopefully a true statement) isn't something JM would ever do. He's not that hubristic. And "all the other guys are dead" isn't something he'd say either -- for one thing, Al Harrington is certainly still alive and kicking and JM would not just ignore him like that. He will sometimes remark about being the last of the "original four," and I have heard him say he's "the last man standing" IN THAT CONTEXT, but not the way it's quoted in this piece of excrement. The line about the Busey pilot being a "stinker" is off the mark too. He just doesn't say stuff that blatantly obnoxious. JM is always more circumspect than that when he's talking to the press.
So, while there's nothing really out-and-out untrue in the article, per se, it's not a genuine interview. Then again, it is the National Enquirer. Sigh.
Curator, James MacArthur Web site
- Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 13:40:08 (PDT)
This is OTTO's pick for the new cast, but i guess it's too late:
http://ottomannixreport.blogspot.com/
OTTO MANNIX
NYC, NY Monte Markham - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 13:31:15 (PDT)
"Had I been Jack, I would have whacked everybody in the govt (except Chloe) and let God sort them out....hehehe." -- I'm with you all the way, Big H! Heck, I would have whacked even Chloe had I been through even 25% of what poor Jackie-boy went through. How much can one guy take? Heck, I would have been whacking everyone by the end of season 1. Forget the remaining 7 seasons...lol. I would have been going randomly door to door with a hacksaw!
ringfire211
Philadelphia, PA USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 12:40:09 (PDT)
Not even close! Characters don't match! Josh Dehamel should have played Steve! Dean Cain would match also. They can't even pronounce the Hawaiian words! At Least Jack Lord Look and talk local. What an insult to the local people. Two outsiders again playing the lead roles! Next time really search for local actors. We have them here but you need to look deligently and not the local actors who wanna be something when their not! Bottom line...they made the show RACIST!
Jama
Kapolei, HI USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 12:31:18 (PDT)
I Absolutely LOVED it!
Satisfyingly violent and a great escape!
So glad that I am tivoing the series.
I didn't watch the old series so I see it with fresh eyes.
Frances Winslow
Tavares, FL USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 12:20:29 (PDT)
My apologies.
elsie
usa - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 12:14:31 (PDT)
"13.8 [the rating that Five-O got] is actually a decent number in this economy"
The problem I see is that "decent" is not what CBS was expecting from this remake.
House is an older show. When they get old shows lose viewers, it is expected.
With all the money and Buzz CBS invested in this remake, 13.8 for the premiere is not good enough. And numbers will go down next week.
And the worse part is that CSI Miami, an older show, did better last year in demo.That is very very bad.
I see with time CSI Miami back in Mondays or a new midseaon show there.
CBS was expecting everyone in the business talking today about the great hit this remake was. Same as NCSI years back. It is not happening. It is just "decent"
Pam
- Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 12:10:56 (PDT)
"Mr. Mick, I am sorry but I have to disagree with you."
Those were not my opinions, but some guy I know who e-mailed me, whom I was quoting.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 12:02:05 (PDT)
http://www.deadline.com/2010/09/ratings-rat-race-solid-start-for-event-hawaii-mike-molly-but-lone-star-flops/
[T]hree of the rookies did solid business: the new Chuck Lorre comedy for CBS Mike & Molly(3.9 rating/10 share in adults 18-49, 12.2 million viewers overall), the Hawaii Five-0 reboot on CBS (3.8/10, 13.8 million viewers), and NBC's The Event (3.7/9, 11.2 million).
[...]
Hawaii Five-0's numbers at 10 PM are solid and it won the hour but was down 12% from the season premiere of CSI: Miami in the time slot last fall.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 11:59:47 (PDT)
Just saw the new (Sept. 27) edition of the "National Enquirer." On page 16 there is an interview with James MacArthur plus a current photo. He says he's been asked to appear on the new show and he will "when the time is right." Nice interview. Check it out.
Barbara
Pittsburgh, PA USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 11:55:40 (PDT)
Mr. Mick, I am sorry but I have to disagree with you. I have watched Castle from day one and each week it goes up in viewership. Last season at the beginning it was a bubble show and by mid-season it just took off. I don't believe people are lazy about changing the channel. Castle's season finale garnered 14 million viewers. Yes, DWTS as a lead in helps as with any show on any other network will do but Castle is really a very good show.
I respect everything else you say, but please don't take away from Castle's success and blame it on laziness of people not switching the channel.
Castle actually has out a book "Heat Wave" by the fictious novelist Rick Castle with a second one being released next week. I would call that success.
elsie
usa - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 11:48:20 (PDT)
Someone I know in the TV business e-mails this morning:
13.8 [the rating that Five-O got] is actually a decent number in this economy. I think predictions of 20 million [that someone was making prior to the show] were way out of whack. I don't think a drama or sitcom can compete with [a reality type] of show in today's environment. Look at House: down to 10 million.
On the other hand, if CSI: Miami craps out in its new time period — it's 10pm on Sunday, where it's going to get shoved even later by the Sunday NFL games that constantly run late and f*** up CBS's entire Sunday night lineup — you can sure as sh*t bet CBS isn't going to wait and see Miami bleed to death. They would likely move it back to Monday in that event, and Five-O will have to take its chances on a different night and (presumably) less cushy time period.
It's way too early to start panicking, though. The big surprise in that time period was Castle, which benefitted from that huge Dancing with the Stars lead-in. Hard to believe so many people are too f***ing lazy to change the channel, but there you have it. They are, and that's why the concept of the lead-in still carries so much weight.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 11:40:52 (PDT)
Re: "As much as I was really hoping that there would have been something -anything- to hang on to to make the new show happen for me, it was just another uber-violent cop show, but riding embarassingly on the coattails of a classic." - - -
I agree completely. Having seen the commercials, showing the violence, I had hopes that it would prove to be a minimal part of the actual show with some good, old-fashioned police work with updated technology to facilitate it all. Instead, the sensationalism ran all the way through it. So, to quote the (very) old Wendy's hamburger commercial, "Where's the beef?"
H50 1.0 FOREVER AND EVER AND EVER
MY HEART IS IN, HAWAI`I - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 11:36:57 (PDT)
Thank you everybody for your honest opinions of last night's premire. I did not tune it because after reading the many reviews from credible resources, and listening to people that actually saw the pilot before it aired I stuck with my favorite show that's currently airing Castle.
I was not one of those people that said I wouldn't watch and secretly watched anyway. A woman at work today told me she watched and hated it.
It only proves that you can't recreate something as iconic as the original Hawaii Five-O. Also, the next few weeks will be interesting to see if it can maintain the viewing numbers it held last night.
elsie
usa - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 11:07:35 (PDT)
"Now, will McGarret fall off the deep end like that kook Jack Bauer did...(I was NO fan of "24")...."
Well, assuming that you watched all 8 seasons of 24, if you remember all that Jack went through, I think he held his sanity pretty well. Had I been Jack, I would have whacked everybody in the govt (except Chloe) and let God sort them out....hehehe.
Big H
Raleigh, NC USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 11:00:51 (PDT)
@Collin
I would not call H50 ratings HUGE. Those numbers are not that great for CBS, especially after all the money and promotion they have put in this show.Even if they won the hour, the numbers are nothing espectacular.
NCSI numbers are HUGE. No these ones.
The numbers usually go down 10-15% after the premiere. Being a remake expect even lower numbers in the next weeks.
CSI Miami doing better than Hawaii last year is a failure for this remake.
I am not surprised.
Raul
- Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 10:58:48 (PDT)
I'm not at all surprised that Hawaii Five-O got huge ratings last night. As I was waiting for the show and watching commercials during it, I was amazed at all of the similar types of cop shows on prime-time TV these days. And they all look the same, including this one. It's basically NCIS:Hawaii or CSI: Hawaii or Criminal Minds: Hawaii. Same sh*t, different faces, lots of shooting and explosions. As I watched the pilot and the commericials last night, I quickly realized why I currently watch no shows on any of the major networks in prime-time anymore. I think they are awful. So clearly, the new Hawaii Five-0 is not aimed at me. I'm the wrong demographic. They tried to hook me, and others, with the title and some familiar names, while trying to aim their programming at the 20-somethings. But what happened was what I was worried about: they've just ticked me off. That's 60 minutes of my life I'll never get back, and I suspect many viewers > 40 years old are feeling the same way. So, a first night good premiere means very little, and I suspect the producers and network knows this. Anybody can do that. Let's see how the ratings are by episode 3 or 4.
Collin
Shawnee, KS USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 10:47:39 (PDT)
Gsb/Ltd said: "But... the past is the PAST. This is a NEW 5-0, designed for a NEW generation of viewers. So, why not give it a chance?..."
So why bother to call it Hawaii Five-0?
See...this is what I don't get: it's so far removed from the original series as to be unrecognizable. If it's intended for a new audience, why not just start fresh? Go ahead and have another Hawaii-based cop show, but call it something else and have new characters.
Or...
Remake the real Hawaii Five-0 but as a continuation 30 years anon with different characters (as the originals would have by now all been retired, or in Kelly's case, killed off).
And what of James MacArthur? What character will he play if/when he makes an appearance as is being speculated around the 'net? Danno? There's already one of those, but MacArthur will be instantly recognized as the real Danno, so how will they handle that? Gosh, my head hurts already.
And let's not even get started on the new "Kono"....
It seems to me that the producers are trying to make the new show all things to all viewers, and based on our experience last night, failing miserably.
As much as I was really hoping that there would have been something -anything- to hang on to to make the new show happen for me, it was just another uber-violent cop show, but riding embarassingly on the coattails of a classic.
Thanks heavens for the DVDs!
popoki nui (SherryB)
Victoria, BC Canada - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 10:43:23 (PDT)
So,From http://livefeed.hollywoodreporter.com/
CBS' "Hawaii Five-0" (13.8 million, 3.8) opened strong, though not as big as expectations. While easily winning 10 p.m., the heavily promoted debut dipped a tenth of a point from its "Mike & Molly" lead-in and fell slightly after its first half hour. Last fall's premiere-week rating in the time period was also higher: 4.3 ("CSI: Miami," which has been moved to Sunday nights this fall).
So after that HUGE promotion and BIG money, the remake has done worse in demo than CSI Miami.
CBS must be sooo unhappy- I bet they were expecting 18 million and 5 demo.
Maybe in their next remake. I read Falcon Crest is next.
Raul
- Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 10:40:41 (PDT)
You want music from Hookman? I got music from Hookman:
http://fiveohomepage.com/music/hookman.mp3
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 10:37:53 (PDT)
You can already watch the show on line courtesy of CBS and Chevy Cruze:
http://www.cbs.com/specials/cruze_into_fall/video/?pid=PnkMPZMWtd9hifBrpl5lRwrO0Y__nsN8&vs=Default&play=true
(This only works in the USA.)
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 10:36:06 (PDT)
I enjoyed the show just because it's 'Hawaii Five-0'. Not better than the original of course but enjoyable. It's hard for a show like this due to the fact the original characters were so great. There will never be another Jack Lord so I didn't expect Alex to be.
I like some play between Steve and Danno. If Steve were just a hard nose/ass, it would be just like CSI-Miami as Horatio seems to be that way. I didn't want the new Steve to be like him at all. Seems to be a cross of CSI and NCIS.
I like the old car in the garage and how 'Kono' said "Be there. Aloha" at the end of the preview.
Scott
Frisco, TX - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 10:33:45 (PDT)
"Listen to "Front Street" or his "Hookman" masterpiece and tell me it doesn't belong on the big screen. Sure does."
@ Ringfire: I agree 100%, man....those two pieces are phenom, and would blend in pretty well on the Bullitt OST and Dirty Harry OST, which btw, I just picked up about 3 weeks ago and am enjoying it too. It has more of a psychodelic 70s feel as opposed to the jazz themes by Mort and also Schifrin's Bullitt. (man, those horns and sax on Bullitt are HEAVY...)
Hmmm...wonder what the scores on the 5-0 remake/reboot/re-schlep will be like? (taped it for later viewing)
Big H
Raleigh, NC USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 10:27:11 (PDT)
@Mr. Mike
Here's a link to a shirtless Jack from a 1957 TV show.
http://www.briansdriveintheater.com/joilansing/joilansing51.jpg
Hard to tell how broad shouldered he really was as there's no perspective save for the diminutive Joi Lansing. But I would not doubt there were a few padded jackets in wardrobe.
BigCityGal
NYC, - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 10:19:53 (PDT)
"The actor who plays McGarrett is a poor sub for Jack Lord. Unattractive, small in stature, not big and broadshouldered like Lord."
Dictionary definition of "stature" -- natural height (as of a person) in an upright position
According to IMDB:
Jack Lord = 6' tall
Alex O'Loughlin - 6' 0-3/4" tall
Are there any pictures of JL without a shirt on? I wouldn't put it past the guy to pad his shoulders, since it is no secret that he occasionally wore high-heeled boots.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 10:12:59 (PDT)
My generally favorable opinion of the new show may change soon.
From original pilot script:
McGarrett and his younger sister, MARY ANN McGARRETT, walk behind the hearse carrying their father's flag-draped coffin. Mary wears shades, we presume to hide her grief. Multiple bracelets and nose stud betray her punky roots.
(This was cut out of the pilot as shown last night, obviously.)
Apparently she is a dope addict (Vicodin and who knows what else) to boot.
But if you think that is bad ... wait until you find out who is the mole in HPD who identified Kono to the evil Chinese people-smuggler!
You can read this in the pilot script, the link to which was posted in the Guestbook in the last while.
Now go find it...
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 10:04:36 (PDT)
First of all, the jazzed up theme music from the original and the homages to
the original were ok. But just ok. The actor who plays McGarrett is a poor
sub for Jack Lord. Unattractive, small in stature, not big and
broadshouldered like Lord. Doesn't look the part if you know what I mean.
James Caan's son plays Dan Williams (as a divorced father) - very ugly actor
with beard. There's a bad relationship between the two men created right at
the top of the show. Useless conflict. No humour. Actor who plays Chin Ho
Kelly very ugly, and they've made Kono a Chinese woman - a cousin of Chin's
(in the original Kono was a native Hawaiian). She's ugly, and there for the
gratuitous stripping of clothes. The Governor is played by actress Jean
Smart but she's not a good choice. The so-called villain is nowhere near as
good as Wo Fat in the original series. Supposedly this guy will pop up
occasionally as McGarrett's nemesis in this reboot. Booooooring! The
incidental music of the series was stooopid rap music - like they were
trying to copy CSI: Miami. Not appealing. Lots of guns, shoot 'em up,
martial arts, no real plot, more action rather than actual police work - the
original always had the characters following up leads and progressing
towards an arrest. Booze was shown consumed twice by the main characters -
in the original - McGarrett was a teetotaller and did not carouse with his
teammates - he was very much the boss. In a word: disappointing. But I
expected as much. You cannot catch lighting twice in a bottle. I don't
intend to watch it again. I just wanted to make my own assessment. It's true
that I've said in the past that the original Hawaii 5-0 was not outdated in
terms of script content, but I am surprised that this was so poor. The pilot
for the original series was so damn good. And yes I did notice the Mercury in Mcgarrett's father's garage under the tarp!
Pam McCaughey
Moncton, NB Canada - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 10:01:46 (PDT)
More ratings mumbo-jumbo:
http://bit.ly/cAHWAZ
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 09:47:49 (PDT)
Andrew from the UK wrote= "I watched the episode of season 6 last night Death With Father. and on the dvd sleeve it says George Kennedy stars. they got Peter Strauss right as starring in the episode but the other guest star was Andrew Duggan who has been in Hawaii Five O before."
There was a George M. Kennedy in Death with Father. He played Lt. Parrish in the episode. Probably one of the many locals seen in Five-0 episodes. Kennedy was in four other episodes between season 6 and 10.
Bill
Lantana, FL USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 09:45:59 (PDT)
Quick impressions:
Overall, good, not great. Kind of like the original, really.
Always nice to hear the old theme, even a truncated version of it.
Incidental music isn’t really memorable, but that’s par for the course in TV nowadays.
O’Loughlin is quite good as McGarrett. Caan has the best part and seems poised to be the breakout star. Cann and O’Loughlin have excellent chemistry. Daniel Dae Kim and Grace Park didn’t have much to do.
There’s more meat to the characters than in the original, but TV series have become more character-based over the decades since the original series went off the air. We learned more about the characters in this one episode than we learned about them during the entire run of the original series. The plot seemed kind rushed, though lurching from place to place without much rhyme or reason.
If I had to pigeonhole this show, I’d say it’s sort of a hyper-caffeinated “NCIS.” Lots of action. It’s not much like the old show, that’s for sure. But the original ran for a dozen years and hundreds of episodes. If all CBS wanted was to cast reasonable facsimiles of the original cast and re-do the old show, there’d be no point. It’s been done.
Will
Omaha, NE USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 09:43:28 (PDT)
Interesting ratings; will be interesting to compare after the NCIS season premieres run tonight. Also, it'll be interesting to see if there's any falloff next week. Week 1 gets all the attention, but Week 2 and beyond are what determines a hit or miss.
Here's a fascinating article from Huffington Post about the new show. Two re-tooled Freeman scripts? Wonder which ones?
http://tinyurl.com/2bhcleh
Sylvia
Pembroke Pines, FL USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 09:38:20 (PDT)
From http://livefeed.hollywoodreporter.com/
CBS' "Hawaii Five-0" (13.8 million, 3.8) opened strong, though not as big as expectations. While easily winning 10 p.m., the heavily promoted debut dipped a tenth of a point from its "Mike & Molly" lead-in and fell slightly after its first half hour. Last fall's premiere-week rating in the time period was also higher: 4.3 ("CSI: Miami," which has been moved to Sunday nights this fall).
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 09:27:47 (PDT)
I watched the episode of season 6 last night Death With Father. and on the dvd sleeve it says George Kennedy stars. they got Peter Strauss right as starring in the episode but the other guest star was Andrew Duggan who has been in Hawaii Five O before. all i can say with the episode what a shocking ending. well directed by Jack Lord though.
Andrew
UK - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 09:26:50 (PDT)
i concur that the pilot should have been longer. Many things were omitted from the original script and that perhaps should have been kept intact.
The pilot whizzes by so rapidly that one feels dizzy.
KD MCG
extended, pilot helps - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 09:20:57 (PDT)
Long story short...I'll give it a thumbs up for the next tally of up/down votes.
Scott Caan was awesome. One could look at this as detrimental to the concept of having McGarrett be the one and only "Man", but circumstances were different when the original was made. Younger audiences like the by-play between the lead characters. I wouldn't call myself young by any means, but I did enjoy the by-play afforded by Danno's flippant and in-your-face attitude.
O'Loughlin is credible as McGarrett. I hope there is continued tension between him and Jean Smart as the governor.
Kim and Park hopefully will get meatier stuff to work with in future episodes. For this one, they were merely fine.
I'm looking forward to better story development in future episodes. I don't think it's fair to condemn the whole series based on a 40-minute pilot. Condemn CBS for attempting to cram a pilot into that length of time. It should have been an 80-90 minute show to do both the intro character development AND the story justice. I'll reserve final judgment after viewing a few more episodes where the story takes center stage instead of the background stuff.
Based on another's comments, I failed to realize that we didn't get confirmation of Hess's death at the end of the show. I thought it was a too-tidy wrap up, but certainly the door is left open for a future appearance by the former-Spike James Marsters.
Did anyone else notice the map in the office at the very end of the show? The fact that it was an incredibly generic US map stuck to a chalkboard shows it was kind of an afterthought, but certainly it was there to pay homage to Jack Lord's McGarrett relying heavily on maps in the office to get the job done.
ChanceNC
Reidsville, NC - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 08:47:25 (PDT)
http://livefeed.hollywoodreporter.com/2010/09/hawaii-dancing-event-premiere-ratings.html
by James Hibberd | September 21, 2010 at 7:37 am
Based on very early household ratings covering the first night of the broadcast season, ABC's "Dancing With the Stars" and CBS' "Hawaii Five-0" are poised to open strong. "Dancing" is definitely posting gains over last fall, and "Hawaii" looks like it may have led 10 p.m.
[...]
Real numbers will be out in about a half hour, keep checking back...
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 08:40:24 (PDT)
Jeff..I think your predictions were spot on. The pilot did nothing to change people's preconceived ideas about the show. Those who felt they would hate it did. Those who looked forward to it weren't disappointed. Just seems that those who hated it are a little more vocal about it. Would like to read more posts from those who liked it.
Mr. Mike, you can count me among the "yah" group. I'm not jumping out of my seat about the pilot because as I had stated previously, I would like to see about 3 more episodes to see how the writers, actors, etc. develop the show. You simply cannot jam everything into the pilot episode. I did like how we got to see how this new Hawaii Five-O group was developed. It will be interesting over time to see the layers peeled back for each character. Obviously Chin and Kono weren't as featured as Steve and Dano in this episode but everyone will have the spotlight as the series goes on. I did like seeing things from the original show. McGarrett's car brought a little tear to my eye.
I'm guessing that there won't be as many negative posts after this week since those who said they hated it and would not be watching anymore won't have much to comment on (and I don't believe for a minute that they really won't be watching the show). I'm sure the continued interest in the show will also make people aware that the old show is also still out there and that it's very special. I have always been and will always be a fan of the original. Watched all 12 seasons when they originally aired. But I also look forward to this new show.
Barbara
Chicago, IL USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 08:27:53 (PDT)
I think it's alright if you take it on its own terms and do not allow yourself to think once about the original. There is no relationship. Kono was way out of proportion to the original Kono! Steve was too soft-spoken. Danno was the closest to the original, although I do have one huge complaint there. In the original Danno was written as a native. In this Danno is written as a haole. That is one huge hurdle for me to jump. This is the first time I've seen Daniel Dae Kim onscreen. I liked his Chin Ho, as I found Kim to have a certain charm. I don't understand all of the overhead, pan shots. Showing Hawaii doesn't make it Hawaiian. Give us the people and the culture.
Oh, regarding Steve's attitude toward the governor: the real Steven McGarrett managed to be independent and almost arrogant without ever being rude and insolent. Perhaps the writers thought the scene between Alex O and Jean Smart was a nod to the original, but Steve would never have spoken that way to the governor.
Barbara
Pittsburgh, PA USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 08:26:35 (PDT)
Sometimes, when you're busy, it's better to just let the call go to voicemail.
Rick
Newport Beach, CA USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 08:24:00 (PDT)
http://www.metacritic.com/tv/hawaii-five-0/season-1/critic-reviews
Shows what multiple critics thought of the show.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 08:20:53 (PDT)
Asian groups are already squawking about how it took 15 minutes for a non-white actor to appear onscreen...
Huh? Where is the link for this? The SF Gate story that I already quoted? This was hardly a "group," it was a bunch of "opinionated pals" getting together for some wine and spam musubi to watch the show. They must have put the emphasis on wine, because, as I already pointed out, they missed the fact that DDK appeared well before the Chinese refugee in the closet.
DDK appears at about the 8:30 mark in the final cut of the CBS pilot and about 11:00 of the Canadian TV broadcast from the beginning of the show, which includes the first commercial break.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 08:14:12 (PDT)
Re: "And -if nothing else- maybe this retooled 5-0 will motivate some new fans to go back and revel in the old Jack Lord days we all treasure so much." - - -
This could be true. I had three times as many visitors as usual on my site yesterday. Today is already off to a VERY good start, too! They are looking at pages that talk about the show and the main characters - the basics of what the show was all about.
H50 1.0 FOREVER AND EVER AND EVER
MY HEART IS IN, HAWAI`I - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 08:12:02 (PDT)
For example: how many of you noticed that when McGarrett pulled back the tarp from his Daddy's car... is was a black 1976 Mercury Brougham.Actually, it was a >1974< Mercury Brougham. See http://archives.starbulletin.com/1996/04/16/features/story3.html
I'm sure that most of the regulars around here picked up on this reference. ":-/
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 07:59:56 (PDT)
http://fiveohomepage.com/images/12thseason.jpg
This picture is taken from an article on the new show from the UK Daily Mail with the following caption!!
"The originals: The cast in the 1970s from the original Hawaii Five-O"
Nice picture, though ... I have never seen this one in color before.
Oh yeah, I found this tidbit from another article: http://watching-tv.ew.com/2010/09/20/hawaii-five-o-season-1-episode-1/
"According to casting sources, Lost's Sawyer, Josh Holloway, was originally considered for the lead role..."
(!!!)
What do you think about that?
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 07:56:26 (PDT)
Loved it! Not the same as the original . . . never could be. They are two different animals. I could use less violence and more sophisticated story telling tho. Also, miss the good music of the original show (not just the theme music but that wonderful background stuff!). . . If the writers are reading this--please, please better story lines! I'll keep watching!
Laurie
MT USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 07:50:29 (PDT)
Let the foaming at the mouth begin!
Here are some early "reviews":
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31749_162-20017077-10391698.html
This is on CBS's own site ... HELLO, how about some "full disclosure"? The poll they have, after I took it, said 80% yes, 20% so far ... which seems like no one has taken it, otherwise the numbers would be a bit less "even."
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http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2010/09/20/hawaii-five-0-recap-episode-101-pilot/
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http://watching-tv.ew.com/2010/09/20/hawaii-five-o-season-1-episode-1/
The guy who wrote this review from his picture seems to be "older." Quote: "It bears remembering that the original Five-O, which aired from 1968 to 1980, was not classic TV, either, although it, too, was fun." (!!!) Interesting comments after the review, i.e., "This wasn’t Hawaii Five-O. This was The Bourne Honolulu."
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 07:46:45 (PDT)
I have another thought on that mess last night...when i think of the scene where the governor recurited McGarrett, that, iMO, was right out of "24"...It was like use whatever means necessary to get info...Now, will McGarret fall off the deep end like that kook Jack Bauer did...(I was NO fan of "24")..
You can rent the classic 5-0 on Netflix, and I'll stick w/that...
Rich
Pittsburgh, - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 07:32:18 (PDT)
UMMMM: here's something else to consider. If fans get behind this show -and make it a hit for CBS- guess what the result will be?
CBS will accellerate DVD issue dates for the remaining 3 seasons of the orignal series and us diehard fans will be able to complete our collections and finally trash those wretched discs we bought from Korea!
Think about it.
Gsb/Ltd
Wichita, KS USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 07:30:34 (PDT)
Could we call this "Season 13"?
Bill S.
Annville, PA USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 07:23:22 (PDT)
For those purists out there [who won't be satifisfied anyway] it is impossible to travel back in time and magically recreate the unique chemistry that Jack Lord brought to the original 5-0 over 40 years ago. And all attempts, no matter how well-done, will always fall short for those who still wonder whether McGarrett wore a hairpiece.
FIVE-0/2010 is just that: a NEW show based upon familiar characters/surroundings. It's not intended to MIMIC anything. Even so, the producers are trying to satisfy all groups of 5-0 fans through inclusive references. For example: how many of you noticed that when McGarrett pulled back the tarp from his Daddy's car... is was a black 1976 Mercury Brougham. Or: how about name they used for the shaved-ice informant? It was Kamekona - a tribute to the late Danny Kamekona who played many roles on the original series. Oh, there were bloopers of course: When Danno flashes his badge in his slapdown with Steve... it's a FIVE-0 badge... even though the unit hasn't been yet formed. But, why carp about such minor details when apparently, there are larger issues at stake? Such as veiled racism?
Oh, yeah! Asian groups are already squawking about how it took 15 minutes for a non-white actor to appear onscreen; how the show needs more Danial Day Kim and Grace Park [whom they already claim has been reduced to nothing more than T&A]. Of course, Jack Lord's personal efforts involving the casting of locals is legendary and, but no... there just isn't satisfying some people.
I applaud CBS for responding to fan-based obsession and finally trying the FIVE-0 formulae again. Because you know: it WAS us fans who got this show produced by rabidly shelling out cash for those original seasons we pre-ordered as soon as we could get to our keyboards. The shows producers also should get some serious credit for how much CASH they shelled out for this show. What we saw doesn't come cheap by any means, and that means they've put their money where our mouths are - even those who say the new show sucks.
But... the past is the PAST. This is a NEW 5-0, designed for a NEW generation of viewers. So, why not give it a chance? There are still a couple episodes from the 1st season of the original that I won't bother to watch, either. Who knows? The next episode may just knock your socks off!
And -if nothing else- maybe this retooled 5-0 will motivate some new fans to go back and revel in the old Jack Lord days we all treasure so much.
Gsb/Ltd
Wichita, KS USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 07:21:30 (PDT)
While trying to decide how to label the recording I made of last night's episode, I decided what was wrong with the show. I used the label "H50 Re-Invented, Ep. 1.1". Yes, "re-invented" - and we all know what happens when someone tries to re-invent the wheel. That's what's wrong with the show. What this world needs to do is go back to the former philosophy of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Five-0 ain't broke, people. Leave it alone.
H50 1.0 FOREVER AND EVER AND EVER
MY HEART IS IN, HAWAI`I (YES, I'M SCREAMING) - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 07:12:41 (PDT)
So far the "nays" have it. In a very unscientific anal-ysis: Yes 12, No 19 and Maybe/Neutral 4. If you want to redo this, be my guest!
Here is an interesting "Asian look" (literally) at the new show:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2010/09/21/apop092110.DTL
But they goofed up, they said the first "Asian" in the show was the illegal immigrant woman in the closet. Chin Ho appeared well before she did ... or doesn't he count because he is "Hawaiian"? ":-/
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 06:56:02 (PDT)
RE: Doyle Weston from Double Exposure: Season 9:
A Bir of Trivia: Just watched that episode and saw this guy Thayer David, and he looked oh, so familiar....then I remembered where I had seen him before. He played the despicable Count Sarknussum in the original Journey To The Center of the Earth that starred James Mason, Arlene Dahl and Pat Boone, made in the late 50's or early sixties...He got his due in that one, too, when, after eating Hans' pet eider duck, Gertrude, and was about to be strangled by the big Icelander, Hans, an earthquake occurred and buried him alive under a few tons of rock. Bingo, one dead count and I can say when Doyle got his due on Double Exposure, I cheered that ending as well, what a weird character he was! Although, I have to say McGarrett buzzing around in the helicopter spraying bullets everywhere seemed a little over the top....
Watched the pilot for the new show last night...I found it pretty unexciting... there wasn't much of a plot....no "process" like Karen Rhodes described for the original series....no real mystery to solve and I thought there were too few shots of Hawaii, too many special effects and the characters seemed two-dimensional...much like Khan's thinking in The Wrath of....I'll tune in again next week to see if there's any improvement...but I don't believe this one will stand on its own merits for the long-term....
Pepe
Hamilton, MA - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 06:50:57 (PDT)
You'd think with this "Second Coming" that is the "new" Five-O there'd be a significant tie-in discount for Season 9 of the "old" DVDs. We don't even get that! Sheesh.
Steven
Miami, FL USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 06:17:41 (PDT)
Theresa said: I wanted to like the show, I really did but I am disappointed. Too many explosions, gun battles, cliches. Not enough real story telling and character development. It had such a frenetic pace.
And I have to agree 100%. Basically, NO STORY. I could've written that episode on some toilet paper after a night in a bar getting plastered. I tried to keep an open mind, but from the opening pre-credits scene, I could see where this was headed. It was worse than I expected. The original pilot for H5-O was a 2-hour TV movie, and there was no explaining why or how the team got formed. This pilot tried to cram way too much into 43 minutes. If I had a seizure disorder, I would've needed an extra shot of Dilantin from watching this mess. Alex O did manage to maintain an American accent (although it sounded rather urban to me, like from NY or Chicago as opposed to growing up on Hawaii). Beyond that, he made no impression on me whatsoever as an actor. Scott Caan did okay. They gave Daniel Dae Kim little to work with, so it's hard to judge here, and Grace Park became basically total eye candy and nothing more. I think I'm going to pass on this one and stick to my DVDs.
Collin Freeman
Shawnee, KS USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 06:01:35 (PDT)
Total garbage. There's 270+ episodes to watch of the original, don't waste your time with this one. Probably worse than the infamous 12th season.
Things I hated the most:
1) The use of "haole" every five seconds, especially that insulting exchange with the T-shirt salesman. The original handled the haole-native tension with much more class (like "Strangers in Our Own Land")
2) The overdone gunplay.
3) The team should have been established already, who cares how they got together.
I wasn't expecting much, this was worse than expected.
Tom Edwards
Charlotte, NC USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 06:00:19 (PDT)
I wanted to like the show, I really did but I am disappointed. Too many explosions, gun battles, cliches. Not enough real story telling and character development. It had such a frenetic pace. Maybe it will get better. I'll watch anyway since I love all things Hawaiian but my go to 10 PM Monday night show will be Castle which has wit and charm. Five-0 will be taped and watched when I get around to it.
Theresa
Buffalo, NY USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 05:51:03 (PDT)
The new FIVE-O premiered Monday night on CBS. and it was pretty much as I thought it would be: aside from the use of the theme song, the location and the names of the principals, it's not FIVE-O. Not even in spirit. An average TV cop shoot-em-up with bickering partners and a protracted script. Since the show was not allowed a two-hour premiere slot, the story was crammed into forty minutes with the current mode of MTV editing. No real character development, and a criminal under use of William Sadler as McGarrett's father. Casting Jean Smart as the Governor of Hawaii was a nice touch, but in the end she became the usual "you've gone too far this time, _________ (fill in the blank with rogue cop who disregards the chain of command)". The cast tries with what they are given, but in the end, it's very Shakespearean: "Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." Maybe the show will improve. Maybe. But it still ain't FIVE-O.
Katherine Turney
Charlotte, NC United States - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 05:24:21 (PDT)
That is actually an insult to Hill Street Blues, which ranks up there with Five-O as one of the greatest cop shows ever. I wasn't an NYPD Blue watcher, but from what I saw it was a thousand times better than this.
Chris
Columbus, OH USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 05:01:18 (PDT)
ENJOYED the pilot ! Glad they kept the opening theme song !! Loved the interaction between the 2 guys, so tired of all the serious cop stuff on TV. Will keep watching. OOPS I better not get hooked or they will cancel this one too.
Debbie
Safety Harbor, fl - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 04:27:20 (PDT)
Well the remake didn't suck. Actually I really like the humor interaction between McGarrett and Williams. Great action and of course plenty of testosterone fueled gun fights and stuff blowing up.
I was impressed by having Jean Smart as the Gov. really enjoyed that as well.
Being a diehard fan of the original, the remake is ok. Will I tune in next week, yes I will.
gypsywoman35
mi USA - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 03:51:42 (PDT)
Mike: yes, but then that would mean this show is meant to be a prequel, a prequel set in 2010. Eh? If that were to be believable, the show should have been set in the 1950's.
Absolutely nothing about the new show makes sense.
Especially Kono.
I mean....really.
One doesn't have to think very long or hard to come up with ways this new show could have been done so much better.
popoki nui (SherryB)
Victoria, BC Canada - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 00:16:05 (PDT)
Happy Anniversary to Hawaii Five-O. 42 years, still going strong!
As for tonight’s police show that aired on CBS, I think the esteemed theater critic Leonard Pinth-Garnell said it best:
Terrible... Awful...Couldn't be worse! Simply awful!
Big Chicken (Original recipe - Never Rebooted)
Seattle, WA - Hawaii Five-O – Accept No Imitations - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 00:09:59 (PDT)
I missed it. I'm not used to watching T.V. at night and especially network television which I've grown to despise.
Maybe I should be glad I missed it. Sounds like NYPD Blue or Hill Street Blues with palm trees.
Now excuse me while I have some nachos and enjoy "One Big Happy Family" from the sixth season (for the tenth time).
Paul
Boston, MA U.S.A. - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 at 00:05:59 (PDT)
Sherry, are you aware that in the original show McGarrett's father was also named John? He was a plumber, not a cop, though. See #97, Death is a Company Policy: http://fiveohomepage.com/5-0log5.htm#97
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 23:38:43 (PDT)
Be glad you don't live in Canada. They put the commercial after the bookem Danno scene (before the scene in the Five-O offices), there is no "coming next week", they put the closing logos first, then they squish the Five-O credits on the right side of the screen with a commercial for Glee taking up most of the screen, and the Five-O theme isn't even heard!
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 23:22:16 (PDT)
The shit flying on the IMDB board is nothing like the steaming pile that just wasted the last hour of my life; an hour I will -regretfully- never get back.
There is so much wrong with the new Five-0 on so many levels, that it is difficult to know where to begin.
All I can say is, that for those of you who liked it, you truly deserve it.
"John McGarrett"??
Fucking hell.
popoki nui (SherryB)
Victoria, BC Canada - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 23:14:37 (PDT)
The 2 best things were the opening music/credits (nice update on the pix that, to me, paid tribute to the original) and the Mercury under the tarp. I actually cheered when I saw that!
O'Loughlin is no Jack Lord. Yes, he is a handsome leading man. But as an actor? No way. He was a standard SEAL/Rambo/jock "hero" who seemed more avatar than real person. I didn't even believe his grief over his father's death. Maybe he'll grow into the role.
I didn't like Dano. Too much family/kid stuff. Very Hallmark Channel.
Chin Ho Kelly was great. (Sorry, I forgot the actor's name.) I hope they give him more to do as it progresses. And he's gorgeous!
Grace Park's character seems to be aimed only at those who watch Manswers, or love the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show. Gratuitous bikini/underwear scenes. And punching the tourist? It wasn't even well choreographed.
One last point--I SO agree with "the boss of this site" that the fight on top of the shipping container & the convenient gun was totally video game-like, & I don't even play video games! It looked very fake. Oddly enough, in the original there was hardly any blood (TV back then must have thought people who are shot do not bleed), the fight/shooting scenes were more realistic. Maybe they just tried too hard in that final scene.
For what it's worth, that's my take on it. You asked!! Hope it stays on, though. It's more engrossing than most of what's out there these days.
Lyn Larsen
New York, NY USA - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 23:09:37 (PDT)
Can't top the old one, but still refreshing new show and I plan not to miss an episode! I know Jack is gone but often wonder about Danno. Going to look him up now. Stayed at the Ilikai once and could see J. Lords' balcony. So this show brings back memories though not the same show as the old one. Will always be watching so please don't take it away again!
kay
st. petersburg, fl usa - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 23:01:41 (PDT)
Not impressed with the new show. How can they say this show is based on the original when the only semblance to the original is character names? McGarrett drinking, Danny punching McGarrett in the face, Chin Ho smacking a suspect in the face with an ashtray and Kono being a woman? Why didn't they just create a new cop show situated in Hawaii and leave it at that?
I'm not sure I'll be watching anymore
K. Warner
North Vancouver, BC Canada - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 22:45:06 (PDT)
Chris said: "Good God, that was painful."
Yep. Here on the west coast we're 30 minutes into the show, and I'm not sure I can make it to the end.
I feel angry, disappointed, and sick.
popoki nui (SherryB)
Victoria, BC Canada - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 22:41:22 (PDT)
You want to see some shit flying?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1600194/board
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 22:28:53 (PDT)
Kwan Hi Lim first appearance (uncredited): The One with the Gun (#42), a man being questioned by Chin Ho.
First credited appearance: The Late John Louisiana (#57), Maui Coroner.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 22:22:17 (PDT)
MAXINE has boiled it down to its essence. THANK YOU.
OTTO MANNIX
NYC, NY Maxine - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 22:13:04 (PDT)
It reminded me in about 20 ways why I don't watch new TV shows. Just get over yourselves and fight crime, already!
Maxine
Brooklyn, NY - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 22:11:13 (PDT)
KWAN HI LIM for Mayor of New York.
OTTO MANNIX
NYC, NY Kwan Hi Lim - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 21:37:02 (PDT)
hey mike,
which was the first episode with Kwan Hi Lim? I think my favorite with him was in the V for Vashon trilogy as Tosaki. As soon as he opens his mouth in that one my son and I burst out laughing for about a minute!
boris
boris
spfld, ma usa - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 21:34:58 (PDT)
I like in "TIGER BY THE TAIL" when the guy says to Sal Mineo, "But he said he would... pay... ANYTHING."
OTTO MANNIX
NYC, NY Tommy Fujiwara - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 21:31:16 (PDT)
@Rich. That's it-the lack-i didn't really like the characters, which is strange since they had no background characterization in the original and yet the characters were likeable. These guys seem plastic and well...
KD MCG
me, again Nadja - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 21:27:42 (PDT)
Well -- it was exciting, but definitely not like the original. More like a regular cop show. I plan to continue watching and hopefully the writing of the plots will get better. Also, it would be a good thing to put suits on these guys -- ties optional, but at least have them look professional. I guess I'm really spoiled by the original. Sorry. Give my regards to James MacArthur. Thanks.
Babette
New York, NY USA - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 21:25:09 (PDT)
How about that episode where Ricardo Mantalban plays a Japanese guy? That was pretty cool.
OTTO MANNIX
NYC, NY Hume Cronyn - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 21:11:29 (PDT)
Didn't like the new version..They really wizzed thru those opening credits, lol (or so it seemed to me)..
It reminded me more of a Bruce Willis/Tracy Morgan, Nick Nolte/Eddie Murphy cop movie as there were the wise cracks, the attitude, etc..I didn't think any of the characters were very likeable...And I've been to Hawaii 12x, so seeing it on TV doesn't do much for me..
I don't think I'll watch it again, as least not regularly...Probably will stick mostly to MNF & keeping watch the classic version on DVD...
Rich
Pittsburgh, - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 21:09:55 (PDT)
I was amazed and impressed. Hawaii Five O was one of the best series in my estimation of all time. I was afraid that this new remake would not convey the importance of the characters of the original series as well as the beauty and mystique of the Hawaiian Islands. I was blown away in the first five minutes! The touch of Hawaiian Airlines new A330 was awesome! I am so amazed at how the new actor who plays McGarrett is so much like the original one! Thank You I am hooked!
Good Luck.
John
Sanford , FL USA - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 21:06:42 (PDT)
Boring. Through all the promos and the media circus, watching the pilot was way predictable. My first impression as i watch the show (taped) is that something is lacking. This isn't Hawaii Five-0, however as a stand-alone show with no resemblance, maybe this could work. The acting seems forced and the story is very trite. As it is, i had the script months ago so that may have contributed to that observation.
I beg to differ though-Alex O' is an intense actor,but as somebody pointed out he seems constipated in some scenes; let's see what they have in store next week. Jack Lord was a natural and had a panache. Sorry, the dialog in this show is so forced at times. I feel we need this unit to formalize at some stage.
Will watch a few more, but not too hopeful-sorry
KDMCG
NOT, TOO IMPRESSED - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 20:57:53 (PDT)
Oh, my that was good damn fun! Big explosions, plenty of gun play, decent writing and what I didn't expect...humor!
Sure, O'Loughlin ain't the greatest, but Scott Caan certainly saves the day. Loved the banter between the two. I like the fact Danno is a bit of a smart ass. Kim was exceptional with what he was given this episode. Grace Park was, eh...but she got nothing to do save for show off her bikini bod. Let's hope that changes and Kono becomes more than a swimsuit.
It ain't the original for sure, but it can't be. For me it was a well done update of a classic. Looking forward to watching the series unfold.
BigCityGirl
NYC, - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 20:56:18 (PDT)
Thought pilot was excellent.....will always love the original, but this is a great update!!!
Jerry
Cincinnati, OH USA - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 20:52:45 (PDT)
New show - all sass and no class. If the original was made of gold, this one is constructed of imitation plastic.
I suppose the hip under-35 crowd will like it, but us old fartz say "Blech".
I'll watch a few more episodes and give it a chance I guess, but it won't be fun to watch.
The original Hawaii Five-O was Grrrrrrrrrrrrrreat!
Tony the Tiger
Battle Creek, MI USA - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 20:47:11 (PDT)
I LOVED it. I got totally thrilled hearing the theme song sounding like the one from the Old Days! The screen was better in the old days, full screen pictures of the wave, surfers, fancy buildings, air planes, police cars... instead of those little boxes of pictures. Some of the same pictures as the 1968 one got me thrilled though! The show was pretty good. The daddy and his child stuff got a little too corny for my taste. I prefer no family cuteness, maybe tension with a wife now and then, but that's all the family junk. Get on the cops and robbers of it, like the old one. I'm trying to figure this one out, if these people are related to the 1968 ones like I thought I heard they were. But this one, the McGarrett guy has the same name as the 1968 one, Steve, and the father was John? So he's not the 1968 guy's son? If he is, that means the 1968 one's father died in Pearl Harbor? But Jack Lord was around my parent's age and my father was in Pearl Harbor, not his father! So Jack Lord/Steve McGarrett/John McGarrett (on this one?) should be Pearl Harbor age instead of his father being there, unless he was there as a civilian or some older military guy like around in his 50's, I'm confused, but love it not being as bad as most old show remakes are. 1968 was better, more serious and less cute kid family talk. I am going to keep watching it though, as long as the cute kid/daddy stuff doesn't get too much on there.
carolyn King
Camp Hill, PA U.S.A. - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 20:44:43 (PDT)
One of the great things about the original was that much of the storytelling was from the prospective of the Criminal and or guest star. In many episodes they did not cross paths with Five-0 for the for sometimes over half of the episode withMcGarrett and his team tying piece together the clues. I hope the new show is not all from the prospective of Five-0 and can emulate this part of the original format that made the original Hawaii Five-0 unique.
Dan
South Brunswick, NJ USA - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 20:42:13 (PDT)
I think this new show is a major disappointment to the Five-o franchise. CBS should have called this show something else with new characters and I bet it would easily stand on its own....but wait, how would CBS gain viewership for a brand new show? The suits at the network took the easy way out and just stole some of the key ingredients from the original Hawaii Five-o...like identifiable character names and theme music.....which means the premise of this show is nothing more than a marketing ploy to get people to watch. It's an insult to the original franchise because the network basically promo'd the theme music to death to bring viewers in and then completely ignored what the original had done so well for so long. The new Five-o uses its brawn, while the original used its brains. It's so fast paced with the unnecessary computer graphics, how can anyone even enjoy the scenery?
Steve
Trenton, NJ - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 20:40:01 (PDT)
Just saw it. It was a typical new age cop show and they put some photos of Hawaii in between scenes. In the original, Hawaii was just as important a character as the actors... in this pilot it was not even a minor character. I'm gonna give it a chance, but for someone who remembers Hawaiian Eye, who in 1969 got to see them shoot a scene ( with Lord and MacArthur) near Diamond Head,who loved Magnum PI...who loves old Hawaii... they just left it out... Of course in the original pilot McGarret smoked, drank and took women to his hotel room... and Danno smoked at least in the first season... so maybe this will get better. Just glad I have my DVD's
Steven Stoli
San Antonio, Tx USA - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 20:35:33 (PDT)
As its own show, complete with a different title and different character names, it would be good. To call it Five-0, however, makes it seem cheap and shoddy. Kinda like Ford did when they bought Volvo and sold Fords with the Volvo name attached. CBS wisely would have accepted that Five-0 had been done and done well and created this show to be its own entity. Maybe they didn't have enough faith in their work to allow the show to stand on its own. At least, that's the impression this gives.
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 20:30:21 (PDT)
Just finished watching the pilot for HFO and as expected it wasn't anything great. It really is exactly as the recent reviews I have read say it is. Alex O'loughlin looked constipated with the facial expressions he was making while trying to act tough. I watched it and now I will pass for the rest of it's hopefully short run.
jo
usa - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 20:29:52 (PDT)
Hope it gets better than the pilot. No class. Gratuitous violence. Whats with the punch at the beach? Five-O would have never done that! I'll watch a couple more episodes, but looks like we were let down.
Dave
Maple Grove, MN - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 20:26:37 (PDT)
"Just got done watching the first show of the new Five-O and I love it. Can't wait until next week." -- Can't wait? Not sure there's anything to wait for. When I watched "24" on a weekly basis I could definitely tell you WHY I couldn't wait till next week. But here? The guys sitting around, drinking, and giggling as the sun sets? Ooooo... addictive stuff! Anyway as I suspected - pretty crappy on the whole. Might stick around for a few more episodes but I'm not overly optimistic. AOL walking around dark corners with a flashlight reminds me of William Petersen on CSI.
ringfire211
Philadelphia, PA USA - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 20:24:28 (PDT)
Sorry, this remake is not for me. This was absolutely the dumbest idea I've every heard. Will not be watching.
Barbara
AR - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 20:22:32 (PDT)
Just watched the new H50 and really really loved it!! Although it will never compare to the original H50 and its cast it was fun to watch! Loved how they brought each character's background into the storyline. I will be watching each week as well as I continue to watch (and hold dear to my heart) the original H50 on DVD!
Forever H50.1 Jack, Jim, Kam, Zulu, Al, Herman!!!
Lena
Lena
USA - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 20:18:16 (PDT)
* They paid more homage to the original opening credits than I thought they would. Pretty well done there.
* They made Danno cooler than McGarrett. That's a bit weird.
* I see they've invented a recurring nemesis for McGarrett a la Wo Fat. I hope they don't make it cheesy.
* McGarrett should be a bit stiffer--not a kung fu master but someone who actually might take to wearing suits like the original.
* The plot was....well, a pilot plot. It got done what they set out to do; it wasn't great, it wasn't bad. Let's see if they settle down a bit.
* Overall grade: B
-K
JKT
Wilmington, DE USA - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 20:16:55 (PDT)
To Ken from Cottage Grove, Minn:
As the show stated in the opening credits, it is BASED on the original show that Leonard Freeman created.
So they showed how the Five-O team was formed? I don't care. It wasn't explained in the original series. When we first saw the Five-O crew in Cocoon they were already in place. No big deal there. It's just a subtle difference between the two shows. Same for the reason why McGarrett says "Danno" were now we have an on screen reason for it and before it was just something that Lord blurted out once because Danno was the name of one of his childhood friends.
Can't wait until next week!
Yankee4Life
- Monday, September 20, 2010 at 20:14:24 (PDT)
I just wanted to say I grew up watching the original Hawaii 5-0 and now just saw the premier of the new remake. I think you have a blow out winner on this show and with the actors and actress involved in the show. Kudos from the general public, I will be glued each Monday. It's escape to a beautiful place, great action where the heros win. That doesn't always happen in the real world but it is the way it should be. Great job and don't quit. Love it!!!
Vicky Barberg
Green Bay, WI USA - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 20:10:05 (PDT)
Good God, that was painful.
Chris
Columbus, OH USA - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 20:08:24 (PDT)
Just got done watching the first show of the new Five-O and I love it. Can't wait until next week.
Grace Park looks great!
Great show, great cast, great story. Won't ask for more. And for those of you who still want to insist on hating it, go right ahead. The joke is on you.
y
- Monday, September 20, 2010 at 20:03:14 (PDT)
I think there should have been a more direct connection to the original. To recreate the "Team" when it previously existed is an insult to the original series. My first impression I don't like it and probably won't continue watching it.
Ken
Cottage Grove, MN - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 20:01:39 (PDT)
I recall in one of the CNET videos (see link posted earlier today) they discuss the cameras that were used for filming the show, but I don't know if they go into great detail ... I sort of skipped through that particular segment.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 19:54:13 (PDT)
It's OK as its own show...could never live up to the original. I like that it at least kept the theme, though it's shortened by half. Kind of weird that Steve seems younger than Danno.
tgies
Fremont, NE USA - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 19:51:19 (PDT)
We're just having a bit of fun... so time for more nitpicking.
The new show is airing as we speak and this the first time I've seen it in HD 1080i. It is NOT SHOT ON FILM like the original series. It is digital video. Initial reports indicated the Sony F23 camera was used, however, I'm 99.9% certain this was shot on a Sony F35 (which has the Super 35mm full frame CCD) after anal-izing the video. At any rate, the more important thing is that it isn't shot on film. I guess 90% of the people watching won't notice nor care?
Just for comparison's sake - The Mentalist and CSI (the original) on CBS are both shot on 35mm 3 perf using Kodak stock. CSI: NY is shot with the Sony F35 like this new Hawaii Five-0.
Dalen Quaice
Burbank, CA USA - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 19:37:07 (PDT)
Wow. The things that are nit-picked in here. I don't care about the length of the show. I just want it to be good.
Yankee4Life
- Monday, September 20, 2010 at 19:02:09 (PDT)
Ah, your are right, Mike. I failed to add the teaser into the TRT -- so if you take my 38 and add 5 for the teaser you get ~ 43 minutes which is what I suggested at first!
Dalen Quaice
Burbank, CA USA - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 18:45:38 (PDT)
I don't think so, Dalen ... the total time for all that stuff is 92 seconds. The opening credits start at 5 minutes and 6 seconds into the show, not at the beginning ... from 00:00 to 5:06 is the teaser.
Mr. Mike, the mathematically inclined
Vancouver, BC - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 18:36:18 (PDT)
Interview with Masi Oka, who plays the new Five-O coroner -- Doc Bergman?!? http://bit.ly/cpS5ED
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 18:32:32 (PDT)
Using your timecode, Mike - and assuming drop frame time code, I got 38:07 for the "actual story time" sans opening credits, closing credits, previews, black, etc.
I'll let you know the actual running time of my off air recording once I've snipped all of that out tomorrow.
Dalen Quaice
Burbank, CA USA - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 17:59:30 (PDT)
Interview with Brian Tyler, composer for the new Five-O http://exm.nr/ciS1j5
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 17:26:09 (PDT)
OK, here are the times:
05:06-05:41 = opening credits and commercial break (6 seconds)
14:41-14:47 = commercial break
25:10-25:16 = commercial break
38:47-38:53 = commercial break
44:12-44:51 = end producer credits, "stay tuned for scenes from next week's show," closing credits, closing logos
You do the math.
The code for this message, by the way, is "SSS" which equals "666."
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 17:16:18 (PDT)
Big H, there's no doubt that the "Bullitt" soundtrack is Lalo's masterpiece! From the opening titles track to the "Shifting Gears" track it's stellar! Alongside his Dirty Harry soundtracks (most notably "Dirty Harry" and "Magnum Force") it's definitely his best! Best score of 1968 - give the man his Oscar! But what Mort did for Five-0 is almost cinematic - almost too good for TV. Listen to "Front Street" or his "Hookman" masterpiece and tell me it doesn't belong on the big screen. Sure does.
ringfire211
Philadelphia, PA USA - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 17:08:21 (PDT)
"but also heard in the second season, notably in “The Joker’s Wild, Man, Wild!” " -- I'm assuming you're referring to my query about the "Front Street" track, Mr. Mike. Now that I think about it I can just about place that piece of music in that episode. May need to watch it again just to refresh my memory. That episode certainly did have a very groovy feel to it!
ringfire211
Philadelphia, PA USA - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 17:01:35 (PDT)
Hope it is done as wellas the original. It was one of my favourite shows, and I loved Danno.
Thanks
Lee Hawse
100mile house, bc canada - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 16:48:06 (PDT)
The running time of the new h50 pilot is 44:51 based on the screener copy, but my best guess it will be ~ 43 minutes in the actual air copy. Without commercials, ending credits, or previews I would say ~ 42:50. Opening credits are :30, so the actual story time would be 42:20.
Dalen Quaice
Burbank, CA USA - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 16:19:53 (PDT)
Posted by Andrew, UK:
"To Wave Crest
that is a good question"
*confused* My question about the total running time for the Five-O revival's pilot?
*****
I was surprised when I read a few days ago that Sky were dropping Bravo, when Bravo had bought the rights to show the Five-O revival (seen an ad on Sky tonight for the second season of the V revival starting on Channel One soon, and that channel is being dropped as well).
Wave_Crest
United Kingdom - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 16:00:28 (PDT)
It is now about three and one half hours before the premier of the new Hawaii Five-O and as someone who is a classic Five-O fan like myself, I can not wait for this new show.
I wasn't lucky enough to see the sneak preview last week in Waikiki but nothing is going to stop me tonight.
I am going into this tonight with a hope that this show is going to be great. It makes me laugh at some of the people in here who are so dead set on hating this show before we even get to see it, almost like they think they are being disloyal to the original show if they actually end up liking the new one.
Younger viewers may not know or care that there was another show with the same name. They are going to judge the show on what they see right now -and not on what Jack Lord or anyone else would have done back then.
Give the show a chance. That is all I am saying.
Yankee4Life
- Monday, September 20, 2010 at 15:50:49 (PDT)
Posted by Jeff,
"I fall into the second category above, having seen the pilot earlier this summer--I'd give it a B, or 3-stars. (And oh yeah, the ratings for this first show will be HUGE, make no mistake--where they go from there in the weeks to come will be a good indicator of how well the audience likes the show)."
There are I think going to be a few interesting ratings battles this season, and this is one of them. Now that CSI: Miami has been moved to Sundays at 10 pm will Castle become the No.1 show in the Mondays at 10 pm timeslot? Will The Chase get big ratings, or will the Five-O revival do very well and win the timeslot or come second regularly? I hope and want to see it do well.
Wave_Crest
United Kingdom - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 15:48:26 (PDT)
@Elaine...There are a few copies available for very reasonable prices at iOffer.
http://www.ioffer.com/search/items/Walk%20Like%20A%20Dragon
Hope that helps!
BigCityGal
NYC, - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 15:26:52 (PDT)
Correction:
When I said "I have favorite episodes throughout all nine seasons but seasons 1-7 seem to be especially hot."
I actually meant seasons 4-7.
Paul
Boston, MA U.S.A. - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 15:22:59 (PDT)
Well, Classic Five-0 fan that I am, I am looking forward to seeing the remake tonight. I hope I like it but am afraid the Humvee-tossing and new-age ways will turn me off. Still, CSI Miami manages to solve a mystery without losing respect for one's colleagues. NCIS can be good when DiNozzo isn't acting like a ten-year-old. So, maybe there's hope. At least, I hope so. In any case, I plan to record it. Might as well keep my library of Five-0 efforts complete.
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 15:04:49 (PDT)
I was watching the episode "Hookman" from disc one of the sixth season (for the fifth time). Wow! That sound track is great! The music on that one episode best represents what I came to love about that show from my first exposure to 5-0 even as a kid.
In fact, the entire first disc from season six rocks. The more I see these episodes, the better they get.
Earlier in this guestbook, I had written this about another one of my favorite episodes:
"My favorite bad guy is Johnny Oporta in "No Bottles, No Cans, No People" from the Fourth Season. I can't get enough of that one. It's like a piece of candy; I can watch it over and over. It's like a comic book characterization become real with a kind of exaggerated, comedic campiness that you'd see in an old Batman episode.
I watched that one again a few nights ago and was thoroughly entertained.
I have favorite episodes throughout all nine seasons but seasons 1-7 seem to be especially hot.
I also enjoy "One Born Every Minute" , "3000 Crooked Miles To Hawaii" and "I'm A Family Crook—Don't Shoot".
Paul
Boston, MA U.S.A. - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 14:13:59 (PDT)
Thought I'd get this query in before the firestorm that will undoubtedly follow HFO's debut tonight...
Does anyone out there have a copy or know where I can get a copy of a very early Jack Lord film entitled, "Walk Like A Dragon"? I believe it was done in the early 60's...co-starred James Shigeta in one of his first roles, I think. It was a western, black and white and it was very much ahead of its time with regard to the subject matter: young chinese girls being sold into slavery...I believe there's a Youtube clip from it, but again, I have dial-up here and it takes FOREVER for anything to download on this old dinosaur of a PC, so if anyone knows where I can get a copy of this film, I'd be much obliged, pilgrims. I recall being very impressed when I first saw this movie on TV...but that t'were many sunsets ago and me and my pony have ridden many a mile since those days....a'yup!
Since I'm new at this posting bit, maybe this is taboo, but I have a question for Hans....Hans is not a common name hereabouts....do you Brings results? Wondering if I know you....could be I have a bridge I'd like you to sell for me?
If that is you are THE Hans....???
Elaine
Watertown, MA - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 13:44:17 (PDT)
"Let the remake be drowned out by the sounds of our stompin’ spoiled brat feet.
Fight the Future! Cause there can only be one Hawaii Five-O'
Ok, I"ll admit I'm gonna watch (just for curiosity sake), but I'll tape it and later zip through the commercials. At least they're not going to benefit from my ratings or sell their crap to me on the air.
Big H
Raleigh, oh yeah! take that, CBS... - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 13:27:44 (PDT)
"....if I had my eyes closed I would have never believed that this was Morton Stevens. I swear that track sounds like Lalo Schifrin's score for "Bullitt"."
Ring....which do you like best? I have to admit that the Bullitt soundtrack is the best I've found (for jazz) in a long time. But Mort is a close second.
Big H
Raleigh, NC USA - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 13:07:19 (PDT)
My prediction of how the comments will play out from those that watch the new show:
1) Those 'classic Five-0' fans that were inclined to hate it before they even saw it (but who decide to watch it anyway) will HATE IT EVEN MORE!
2) Those more open-minded 'classic Five-0' fans that were curious about it and willing to give the new version a chance will LIKE IT EVEN MORE than they were prepared to.
I doubt there will be many folks whose previous opinions will be changed once they've actually seen it. Those who want to hate it will find plenty of reasons to after watching; those that want to like it will find plenty of reasons to, as well....and the raging debate will proceed undiminished in intensity! :)
I fall into the second category above, having seen the pilot earlier this summer--I'd give it a B, or 3-stars. (And oh yeah, the ratings for this first show will be HUGE, make no mistake--where they go from there in the weeks to come will be a good indicator of how well the audience likes the show).
Jeff
Denver, CO USA - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 12:43:23 (PDT)
"Actually I won't know how I feel about it until I see several episodes developed."
Or maybe even a season or two... I agree Barbara...
and Ringfire, nice to know there are other fanatics who aren't threatened by the new show one way or another...
I'm enjoying the hype, I like seeing Hawaii, I liked the various promos during the Sunday football games... I'm not expecting much, just to be entertained at least a little, humor might be a good thing considering the cast...
Hans
Boston, MA USA - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 12:14:50 (PDT)
Some great episodes in Season 9 (which I've finally finished); however, there's also some real turkeys - Top 5 worst season 9 stories in my humble opinion are....
1. To Die In Paradise.
2. Man on Fire
3. Let Death Do Us Part.
4. See How She Runs
5. Yes, My Deadly Daughter
Looking forward to the new series starting tonight and hoping it'll be picked up in the UK soon enough - whilst it is unlikely ever to compare to the original series at its zenith, it can certainly compare favourably to the episodes I've just listed and the majority of episodes from seasons 10, 11 and 12.
Steve
UK - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 12:10:45 (PDT)
This has probably already been posted, but if not, a nice synopsis/review with some pics and video on Comcast.nets main page advertisement
http://www.fancast.com/blogs/2010/tv-news/hawaii-five-things-to-know-about-the-debut/
GK
Millersville, PA USA - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 11:57:42 (PDT)
42 years! Here's to the classic Five-O-accept no imitations! To address some of the comments, some have already seen the pilot and so are justified in making comments.
KD MCG
yes, i will watch - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 10:55:41 (PDT)
ringfire....very funny comments. For those who have already decided that tonight's show (which has not even aired yet) is already a failure, I would suggest that you not even watch it. But I am betting that they will ALL be glued to their sets tonight. I am hoping that it works but won't really know until the shows end tonight. Actually I won't know how I feel about it until I see several episodes developed.
Haven't posted for a while but I have been busy working in New York past few weeks and computer access has been limited. But I am wishing the cast, crew, etc. for the new Hawaii Five-O the best of luck. This whole thing has generated so much talk about the old Hawaii Five-O and that's a good thing.
Barbara
Chicago, IL USA - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 10:34:42 (PDT)
According to Jon Burlingame's liner notes for the reissued Five-O soundtrack, it was written for the first-season episode “Up Tight” but also heard in the second season, notably in “The Joker’s Wild, Man, Wild!”
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 09:58:33 (PDT)
Can someone please tell me which episode(s) the track "Front Street" comes from? I can't quite place that one but I simply adore it! It's so hip and jazzy that it's unbelievable! The odd thing is that if I had my eyes closed I would have never believed that this was Morton Stevens. I swear that track sounds like Lalo Schifrin's score for "Bullitt".
ringfire211
Philadelphia, PA USA - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 09:50:19 (PDT)
"It has murdered the REAL Steve McGarrett, laid waste of his world, dessimated the iconic car, and it has built upon the ashes of this world through wasteful arrogance and belligerence." -- OH the HORRRORRR of it all! The Apocalypse is here!!! Run for the hills, I tell ya! Sheesh... get a grip, Liz. If the new show is a hit then good for them. If not then sucks being them. Either way, no sweat. I've got my classic DVD collection and it won't self-destruct Mission Impossible-style the second the new show hits the airways.
ringfire211
Philadelphia, PA USA - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 09:42:49 (PDT)
To Wave Crest
that is a good question
Andrew
UK - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 09:33:45 (PDT)
I think I'm more interested in seeing the US ratings for the H50 premiere than the show itself! I will post the ratings as soon as possible for everyone to see unless someone else beats me to it. ;)
How will it do? I've seen some outlandish predictions that it will get 21 million viewers! LOL That seems hardly possible.
My prediction: I think they will be hard pressed to get 8.75 million given that the "CSI: Miami" repeat in this time slot had 6.74 last week. Last year in this slot, they got 12.5 million with the premiere of "CSI: Miami", but so far this season the premieres have averaged a 30% decline in audience.
Dalen Quaice
Burbank, CA USA - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 09:15:16 (PDT)
Los Angeles Times review:
http://lat.ms/bEMAw2
New York Times review:
http://bit.ly/ba2OrY
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 08:43:05 (PDT)
CBS knew the significance which is why they picked today to debut the new H50. And I'd back that up with a link if only I could find the article from a few months ago where I read that little tidbit.
BigCityGal
NYC, - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 08:37:40 (PDT)
September 20, 1968 - September 20, 2010
Has anybody stopped to consider the significance of this date? 42 years ago, Five-0 premiered with the airing of "Cocoon."
Happy Birthday, Five-0!
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 08:15:01 (PDT)
Mr. Mike, thanks a ton for the CNET links (and another 30 minutes of avoiding any real work). Yowza...am drooling over all the cool armament. No more snubby .38 revolvers for 5-0. Maybe the gunshots won't all sound the same in this incarnation either!
BigCityGal
NYC, - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 08:05:15 (PDT)
http://cbs11tv.com/video/?id=57445@ktvt.dayport.com
Hawaii Five O debuted 46 years ago??? Did i miss something?? I thought it was 1968??
Oh, that's right-CBS rebooting the origin date lmao
KDMCG
whoa, whoa tonight! - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 07:58:56 (PDT)
Not to be too picky, but Jack Lord cannot be "rolling over in his grave" because he was not buried in a grave. ":-/
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 07:52:35 (PDT)
Bland. From Alex O's portrayal-yes that is the correct word; good actor-liked his acting in Moonlight, but doesn't cut the mustard as MCG. MCG is this fun-loving lead who really doesn't look like he would command respect from the higher echelons.
Yes, i will watch, but this doesn't jump out to me..
KD MCG
Hawaii, Five 0..original broadcasted today in 68 - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 07:45:54 (PDT)
I'm looking forward to checking it out, but I prepared to be disappointed. I'm sure it will be a great, action packed cop show for 2010, but I think in trying to make it "hip" with the young, good-looking, cast with the smart comeback lines, it will definately not be up to par with what "Hawaii Five O" was originally. It's supposed to be an elite task force. Steve McGarrett operated on the same level as high ranking military officers, government agents including CIA brass, diplomats, and sharp international spies. He could not only match wits with them, but stand up to them with ease. From what I've seen in the previews, I just don't see the actor portraying McGarrett pulling that off. He does not have the authority that Jack Lord brought to the role. And hey, it's just a TV show, but I think the producers are limiting themselves for story lines and longevity by trying to make it too hip and not maintaining more professionalism by the characters. I'm just going off the previews I've seen, maybe I'm wrong and they will pull it off, but it didn't appear that way in the preview. We shall see. Hopefully Jack Lord will be proud and not rolling over in his grave!
Noelle
Stroudsburg, PA USA - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 07:42:49 (PDT)
CNET on location with the new Hawaii Five-O -- seven videos on technology, guns, visual techniques & more http://bit.ly/aZ2Zlj
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 07:17:29 (PDT)
So the big question is who will show the new Hawaii Five O series now that Sky are dropping Channel One and Bravo? could be Channel Five
Andrew
Andrew
UK - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 06:51:25 (PDT)
I was wondering, if the new show is thaaat good, why all the long, long posts how good it is. Can't it stand up for itself?
Why all the effort to convince people of it? I don't get it.
Nadja
Berlin, - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 02:42:44 (PDT)
Hmmm, what is going on ... or not going on? No posts for 2-1/2 hours? Must be the calm before the storm. ":-/
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Monday, September 20, 2010 at 00:24:20 (PDT)
95% of all critics blah blah blah... BULLSHIT! The new show is gonna SAH-UCK! How's that, Mr real. I predict it! The great boris predicts it!
boris
spfld, ma usa - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 21:48:38 (PDT)
Hey Big Chicken, you big whiner, and Boris, you baby, ain't this gonna be a gas tomorrow night when the reviews start pourin' in? It's gonna make UFC look like a church picnic!!! I'll stay out of the fray, since i ain't watchin' it anyway, but i will enjoy the fireworks! Good times... bruddahs!!! Keep the faith, and keep whining!
OTTO MANNIX
NYC, NY Gavin Macleod - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 21:30:56 (PDT)
Thank you to the Curator of the James McArthur site for her excellent post about being able to love the new H50 and the old H50. Putting down the show only because they dare to use the name of H50 is ridiculous and unfair.
I have tried to make your same points here but have come across a wall of hate and personal attacks on me.
Every point you make is 100% accurate. However, I am afraid you will find that it will fall on deaf ears. I still appreciate the effort on your part to open closed minds. Maybe at least one more person will give the show a chance to grow and improve from a very solid base to something that we can all be proud to call H50 #2.
keeping it real
LA, CA USA - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 21:16:47 (PDT)
Shout outs to all the whiners & pouters!
Let the remake be drowned out by the sounds of our stompin’ spoiled brat feet.
Fight the Future! Cause there can only be one Hawaii Five-O
Big Chicken
Seattle, WA - A Sour Grape Gun for (the real) McGarrett - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 21:04:54 (PDT)
.
Boris:
Just curious. You say Alex is bringing his theme of practicing law outside the rules from when he did it on The Shield and that he is doing it in a more boring copy of that same theme.
Alex may be the star but even HE isn't responsible for the producing and creating and writing of the show. He is an actor and as such, he does what the producers and writers of the show ask him to do. He doesn't get to decide how that is done. The WAY is decided by the Powers That Be, not the actors themselves.
And for the record, 95% of the people/critics who have watched the pilot like the way it is done.
keeping it real
LA, CA USABoris: - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 20:45:10 (PDT)
The only accounts i've read have Zulu delivering the racial slurs, and/or that Zulu merely became dissatisfied. But i wouldn't be surprised if Lord used his power to flip the story. But i'm weary from defending my opinion. I'll wait and see what the fellow fans have to say tomorrow night after the show. I'm sure the bandwidth will be clogged with reviews.
OTTO MANNIX
NYC, NY Zulu - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 18:32:55 (PDT)
Otto, when you say "no real Hawaiians are on the core team [of the new show], which is not in keeping with Freeman and Lord's ethos," I presume you are not aware that Zulu was fired from the show because of the end result of something Jack Lord did?
As well, Al Harrington dropped some major hints in the Emme's Island Moments documentary in the season one DVD set that he was let go because of Lord as well.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 17:41:21 (PDT)
Thanks for the response Elaine... and I really like what you wrote! :-)
Hans
Boston, MA USA - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 17:21:17 (PDT)
@Nadja
Thanks for the translation! Yes, I had the wrong episode...it's tough to get old! Even tougher to be old!
There seems to be a lot of talk about Season 11...I'm still waiting for the release of Season 10. Have I missed the boat somewhere or are people watching VHS tapes or bootlegged DVD's?
Mahalo
Elaine
Watertown, MA - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 17:05:25 (PDT)
As is evidently your normal way of looking at the world, Elizabeth, you've read all kinds of unintended significance and motivation into a situation you apparently know little about. Mr. Mike did not intentionally edit out or delete anything I (or anyone else) addressed to you here in the guestbook. If you'd bother to read his own postings further down on the page, you'd see that he explained that he was attempting to edit out some other comments and accidentally deleted the entire page. He was only able to recover some portions of the page prior to the deletion, portions which just happened to contain most of your comments but not all of mine and others.
Because I have better things to do with my time, I am not going to attempt to reconstruct everything contained in my missing post(s). Instead, if anyone here has any interest in learning more about you, they can do so by simply reading your own words, as found at the following locations:
http://tinyurl.com/29jv7rv
http://tinyurl.com/2w9yfr8
http://tinyurl.com/336xrtq
I mean, after all, Elizabeth, you put it out there on 'net yourself. Surely you wanted other people to actually read it, didn't you? Why are you getting your knickers all twisted up in knots over the fact that I found it and spread the word?
Curator, James MacArthur Web site
- Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 16:16:12 (PDT)
Thanks Mike for answering my question. *thumbs up*
Wave_Crest
United Kingdom - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 16:14:09 (PDT)
One thing is certain; provided with the appropriate resources I could create a palpable show that would adhere stringently to the high standards Jack established years ago. That is a given. It would be something he would be damn proud of. I PROMISE.
Elizabeth M. Boggs
Bellingham, WA United States of America - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 16:09:08 (PDT)
As for Jimmy's curator, one thing is an established certainty; some things CANNOT and SHOULD NOT be duplicated, because, simply, they CANNOT be, any more than can be remade the structure of the world. So many people have tried throughout history; whether the conquering of nations (temporary until they, too, fell), social structures, or the basis of physics. There are impossibles that cannot be ignored, yet predicting failure certainly is. THAT is an accepted ideology. Another thing is the wisdom that accepts that there are things that are better off left as they are, unless certain formulas are ascribed to and followed faithfully. There is the accepted belief that one cannot tamper with what was, what is, and what should be. It takes wisdom to understand that. I am so sorry that the Lenkov bunch sought-out to mutilate from the outset, recreate an established standard along their own criteria, and marketed it as a quasi-"original" through ushering in a new cast and trying to pass it off as their own perspective. I am sorry millions of dollars were absurdly invested in this lame project that is doomed from the start. Remember how the Titanic was touted the way she was, well we are looking at the new 'Titanic' that is overbuilt, overpublicized, and overblown at the expense of the original. This is a 'feeder' fish in that it cannot stand on its' own without the rampant exposure it is getting and it is NOT based on an original concept. It is its' own incarnation that is devoid of the character and the originality of it's predecessor. Furthermore, it feeds off the fame and concept it has blindly erased for the benefit of its' own making.
It has murdered the REAL Steve McGarrett, laid waste of his world, dessimated the iconic car, and it has built upon the ashes of this world through wasteful arrogance and belligerence. In NO way is it, or will it EVER be "Hawaii Five-0"; just a caracature of the original with little semblance to accuracy or awareness of timelines or even the respect to maintain the integrity of this show. The creators of this show have demonstrated they are incapable of integrity in that they have attempted to force viewership and acceptance of their product by gutting the original concept and using the names for commercial gain. They lack the originality to develop entirely new concepts without feeding off those of others. The carefully crafted and exquisite world Jack Lord created, nurtured, and left for posterity has been corrupted through wrinkled shirts, neckties that resemble more of a noose, sloppy etiquette, unshaven faces, and general malaise of awareness. Seeing the television promos sicken me, because that is NOT the world Jack Lord promoted, rather, it resembles a MAD magazine fiasco and insults the viewer's intelligence to the nth degree. The creators of this show have decimated the integrity of the original upon which to construct a "Brave New World" that can hardly compare to the original.
I ask you, which world would YOU rather live in? The heartfelt legacy left by an extraordinary man or the artificial, cheap imitation created by exceptional 'wanna-bees' with nothing to substantiate their claims?
Elizabeth M. Boggs
Bellingham, WA United States of America - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 16:05:53 (PDT)
Damn, Elithe Aguiar is so hot at the end of VASHON II, playing the prostitute who turns out to be HPD.
I seem to be one of the targets of the MacArthur CURATOR's epic tirade, so i'd like to defend myself. Sure, i was having fun with my head in the sand, steadfastly rejecting the new show without having seen it. But i deny that i was being a spoiled brat or having a temper tantrum, lol. I'm having fun with it. The OTTO MANNIX blog post was meant to be mildly entertaining.
And i did mention respecting others' open-mindedness, calling for a site-wide truce. But the CURATOR's post was indeed a tantrum, so if that's how people want to play it, i'm game. I've been a fan of Five-O since 1970, when i was first allowed to watch it, but i don't get angry over what other people think of it.
My main problem with 2.0 is the use of the same character names. Also that no real Hawaiians are on the core team, which is not in keeping with Freeman and Lord's ethos.
OTTO MANNIX
NYC, NY Elithe Aguiar - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 15:57:52 (PDT)
The time for the version of the pilot which I have seen that is the "Final Cut" is 44:51 including the entire end credits (plus logos at the end).
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 15:33:21 (PDT)
What is the total running time of the Five-O revival's pilot episode?
I'm not sure when we'll get it in the UK, what with Bravo being dropped by Sky. Off the top of my head the new shows starting in this fall's/autumn's US TV network season which I'm interested in seeing (including the Five-O revival) are Lone Star, Detroit 1-8-7, Law & Order: Los Angeles and Blue Bloods.
Wave_Crest
United Kingdom - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 15:27:42 (PDT)
Hi Mike,
no. I like the first eight seasons just as they are. I want them no different. I am saying that this writing-in to an episode in season 11, that Mcg's dad was a victim - this was reaching for ideas in lifeboat-fashion from a drowning ship, grabbing onto the strength and glory of earlier seasons. Else why would not this important fact have crept up ealier. For example, would we not have seen a identification of steve with the sniper from season 6's mother's little helper. No, it was a falsehood, in my opinion, on what the show really meant, though unfortunately included.
I guess why I bother to post on this is that I am adamently opposed to this new show. I feel that if they are trying to make it like the team is outside the law, and they are using info like this from the original show, then it is kind of false. I have another theory too. Alex O'Loughlin was on the shield (my second favorite police show), and in the shield the cops, a la modern times, resorted to all manners both legal and illegal to combat the enemy. I think he is bringing this element into the new show in a totally unoriginal and boring way. Now I feel bad for five-0 and the shield!
boris
spfld, ma usa - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 15:27:07 (PDT)
I wrote a private e-mail to Mr. Mike a few minutes ago. I didn't mean to go off on a rant when I started writing to him, but it all just came spilling out. After I re-read it, I decided to go ahead and post it here, in a slightly edited and expanded form. It will probably piss off a few people, but, oh, well. I seem to do that on a regular basis anyway, so what the heck.
Anyway ...
Unfortunately, I think your GB is getting turned into a place where all the whiners and pouters are congregating, just sitting around stomping their little spoiled brat feet and covering their eyes, sticking their fingers in their ears and making loud noises -- they're not going to see or hear anything that will change their steadfast opinion that the new show is utter crap and has no chance at succeeding. I want to see their faces in three or four or five years when Five-0 is still going strong, because I think it will, and it would be fascinating to see if they're still sticking to their sour grapes guns that far down the road.
I so clearly remember when "Star Trek: The Next Generation" debuted. I was so excited that the show I'd adored as a kid was getting a new lease on life. I wasn't real fond of the premise of a "next generation," but I was willing to give it a chance. And I really hated that show for most of the first season. Even now, as a huge fan, I cannot bear to watch much of that first season. I think it really sucked. But they kept at it, they had support from the studio, and it really gelled from the second season onward. And I kept watching all through that first season because I could see little glimmers here and there that made me believe it had promise. I'm glad I stuck with it and kept watching, even though it was often really painful. I'll always be a classic Trek fan first and foremost, but in some ways I love Next Gen even more than classic. It's like loving your spouse and your child, or your deceased first spouse and your current spouse. You love them equally, just in different ways. I suspect the same may very well hold true for classic Five-0 and 2010 Five-0. I think there's a lot of promise in the new show. It may take some time for it all to gel, but the glimmers are there.
I remember that other Hawaii cop show from a few years back. That one just stunk up the airwaves from the get-go and never got any better. A police chief who spoke nothing but pidgen? They had to make up completely fictitious kings and queens and "legends" from Hawaii's past instead of going with the real thing (like people wouldn't be able to figure out the difference)? Really obvious mistakes in scenery and location identification? It was completely absurd. Yet I sat through every episode. I kept hoping they'd somehow start getting it right. Loved when Doug Mossman showed up in an episode, and other local actors here and there. But nobody was happier than I was when they canned it after something like seven episodes. It never really deserved any airtime at all -- the fact that it got a whole seven or eight weeks was way more than it should have gotten.
But this new Five-0 has way more going for it. Lenkov, Orci, and Kurtzman are genuine fans. They make a great team. They're passionate. They have a lot of experience. They're devoted. They're willing to try different things but they also do their homework. They're trying to do something new and fresh and updated, but they're also trying to stay true to the original. It's an enormously difficult balancing act, and I think they're doing a superb job teetering on that thin little edge between both worlds. Yes, they'll make a few mistakes from time to time, lose their precarious footing once in a while, but so did classic Five-0. Every show does. Look at how much fun we all have pointing out plot holes, contradictions in details from one episode to the next, obvious errors in geography, continuity gaffes, and so on. We love classic Five-0 as much for its faults as for its multitudinous good points. Why can't people cut the new show the same kind of slack? As long as the "get-it-rights" outnumber the mistakes, I can certainly forgive the occasional mistake.
Here's just a little itty-bitty thing that I noted with 2010 Five-0. In the premiere I saw last Monday, there's a line where Chin tells McGarrett he's being (or is -- can't quite remember) "manini." That's a local word that few outside Hawaii ever use or even know. It wasn't in the original script that I saw. Somebody put it in later. Maybe it was DDK himself. I don't know. And it's pretty much just a throwaway word. Nobody would miss it if it wasn't there. But it is there. And it adds just that tiny little extra bit of authenticity that makes the difference. It's absolutely the kind of thing a local person, born and bred in Hawaii, would say without even thinking about it. It's genuine. It's real. It's a tiny detail that makes a subtle difference in the authenticity of the show.
For the record, "manini" is a word of Japanese origin that means something on the order of "tiny fish." There is an actual fish called a manini. They're those little worm-like fishies you see in swarms at the edge of the surf. In Hawaii, it's pidgen slang for someone or something small. Like so much pidgen, it has many meanings. It's used as a way of saying, "Don't sweat the small stuff," or to chastise someone who's being annoyingly nitpicky. It's also used to refer in a derogatory way to a certain part of the male anatomy. ; )
But that little extra word in the pilot kind of makes my point, really. Adding in such a miniscule touch of authenticity makes a big difference. When DDK said the word, you could hear the locals in the crowd chuckle. The mainlanders didn't even "hear" the word, really. Went right over their heads. But you just watch. They use it a couple more times, and everybody watching that show is going to start using it. And it's that kind of attention to detail that makes it really effective as a show taking place in Hawaii, with Hawaiians, and gives the rest of the world that genuine flavor of real, authentic Hawaii-ness. It's almost background noise, under the radar, but you add it all up and it makes for a truly "Hawaiian" Hawaii Five-0.
*******
So I have this to say to everybody kvetching and moaning about the new show: You're like a bunch of ostriches, sticking your head in the sand, hoping if you keep your head under there long enough this "abomination" will just go away. Good luck with that. About the only thing you're going accomplish with your temper tantrum-like behavior is to (virtually) deprive yourselves of sunlight, oxygen, and mobility. The rest of us will be out in the daylight, moving on with our lives and our viewing habits, enjoying what I personally think will be a successful new version of a classic favorite. I love classic Hawaii Five-0 just as much as the rest of you, maybe even more than some of you, but I have room in my heart for more than one love. And what's so wrong with that?
Curator, James MacArthur Web site
- Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 14:54:18 (PDT)
It might have worked out had the following commenced:
1) True to type casting;
Thomas Gibson as Steve McGarett
Eric Close as Dan "Danno" Williams
The Car? A 2010 Black Mercury Grand Marquis
Base of Operations: Iolani Palace
Create the show as though it never ended; a continuation from "Woe to Wo Fat".
THAT is something I MIGHT have watched.
But THIS?
Dear God.........................
Not in this universe.............
Elizabeth M. Boggs
Bellingham, WA United States of America - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 14:03:14 (PDT)
The H5O Home Page is a great site, and we ought not be hating so much. But it's understandable that most of us are getting a little testy, with this new show, which is certain to be an abomination, about to commence. The new characters look undignified, and so i'm a bit annoyed.
I see some are excited to watch it, and i respect their open-mindedness. But i feel too loyal to the gang to accept these new guys. Especially because they're going by the original names. If they portrayed them as current officers on the current Five-O State Police unit, then it might be acceptable.
OTTO MANNIX
NYC, NY Albert Paulsen - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 13:36:22 (PDT)
Boris, are you suggesting it would have been a lot better if there was more information about McGarrett (i.e., the "back story") earlier on?
Sort of like we get in the pilot episode for the new Five-O to be shown tomorrow night?
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 13:35:39 (PDT)
Maybe you'll agree, maybe not, but here goes.....
He walks through the door on the light of God, his presence dwarfs the very sun. The Angels on high harken his entrance with the clamour of music that only befall the great and mighty. He walks up and his very presence is comparable to the excitement and energy of a hydrogen bomb explosion as it slams you into the back of your chair, filling you with the breathless heat that melts you like an ice cube...........and then you ache for more... Oh God!
Votes?
Elizabeth M. Boggs
Bellingham, WA United States of America - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 13:19:24 (PDT)
No one has ever questioned the wisdom and inteligence of the well-respected IMDB.
They never miss a beat. Thank you, IMDB. Just what I've been saying.
Do not accept imitations.
Elizabeth M. Boggs
Bellingham, WA United States of America - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 13:11:39 (PDT)
Mike,
i got to say that you said nothing enlightening in your response to my post where i admit that i am basing my comment on seasons 1-8 which i have practically STUDIED. I know there are four more seasons. I also know the ship was going down. (cf, You trash the last two seasons in your rating system.) And I know the writing and direction wasnt the same. As Otto Mannix says, it's a little late to be bringing character defining facts for the protagonist into the picture. I think it has the unfortunate effect of tainting the interpretation of the earlier seasons. Mcg cares a lot. It's not a vendetta trip.
A couple more things. Of course I don't read everything on a forume - it's called having a life. Next thing, I really appreciate and have used your website over the years. It's a good site! But no, I dont read everything. Boo hoo hoo.
boris
spfld, ma usa - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 13:06:53 (PDT)
I want to thank our benevolent host for his purging of the site on Thursday evening due to an unfortunate and sadly misinformed poster who disrupted this site with his posting of my intimate details. I just wanted you to know that I was encouraged to forgive this person by my fiance' and to write a small note of gratitude for our host's effort in correcting a matter that should never have happened. After that incident, I posted my side of the issue and it, too, was promptly removed. I also wanted certain people to know that I am involved deeply in political matters of great civil concern in this country that clearly have no place on this site and I have endeavoured to do so at all costs. This person's post could have unleashed a political firestorm and critical debate that would have been entirely out of bounds on this site. Because our hose did not allow that to happen, I applaud his efforts to maintain the integrity of this site for which purpose it was erected. Again, I am thankful this episode went no further and we are able still to discuss at heart the great and wonderful man Jack Lord and the product of his vision, his genius, his masterworks, integrity, heart, soul, blood, sweat, and tears. That is the glorious production spanning an unprecedented 12 years and the great impact he has still in the world today. THAT is the purpose of this Forum and not how computers have the capacity to hurt those unknown. Thank you again, Elizabeth
Elizabeth M. Boggs
Bellingham, WA United States of America - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 13:01:07 (PDT)
Thanks Mr. Mike. Being from the 11th season explains why I didn't remember this tid-bit. The 11th and 12th season definitely showed the series age. While still a Five-O girl it was hard to watch some of the shows from those seasons. I believe "Short Walk on Long Shore" was aired then, where McGarrett went undercover as a Longshoreman. To keep his cover he had to slug Danno. When James MacArthur left it just wasn't the same.
Thanks to all who responded. (-:
Anne
Tangerine, FL USA - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 12:43:10 (PDT)
Hey Mr. Mike, appreciated you providing that Season 11 reference as my memory is kinda sketchy on the later seasons. But Steve's dad being a victim is an event in his formative years, one that factored into his decision to become a peace officer. It doesn’t lead him on any revenge seeking vendetta.
Also, thought McGarrett’s remeberence here sounds similar to the one in ‘Dirty Harry’ when Harry relates that his late wife was killed by a drunk driver. Interesting, as Jack Lord’s Steve McGarrett was described by a reviewer as "Dirty Harry goes surfing"
Big Chicken
Seattle, WA USA - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 12:36:22 (PDT)
OK, so Boris was wrong, but i would say that the 11th Season is a little late to be bringing up such an important aspect of McGarrett's character. The writer was fishing on that one. Those last couple seasons are hardly worth watching anyway when compared to the greatness of the early seasons.
And OK, i was wrong about the Soundtrack album not featuring the real music, but those selections are unmemorable compared to so many other bits of incredible music on Five-O, some of which are in the first season. I just watched THE WAYS OF LOVE, and there are two great bits of music that should have been on the record as opposed to the ones chosen.
Disagreement should be welcome on a forum, but i see a lot of people trashing each other here.
OTTO MANNIX
NYC, NY William Shatner - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 12:18:34 (PDT)
I thought the following comment at IMDB was pretty funny:
If the new Hawaii Five-O is successful (God forbid) it could set off a disturbing trend. What would happen next? The new I Love Lucy, starring Cameron Diaz and Javier Bardem? How about a new Andy Griffith Show, starring Brad Garrett as Sheriff Andy Taylor? With Angus T. Jones as Opie, David Spade as Barney Fife and Doris Roberts as Aunt Bea?
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 12:07:46 (PDT)
As re-recorded, the complete Five-O theme:
http://fiveohomepage.com/2010-pilot/themecomplete.mp3
The following stuff was posted the other day:
As heard in the pilot episode:
http://fiveohomepage.com/2010-pilot/openingcreditsmusic.mp3
http://fiveohomepage.com/2010-pilot/endcreditsmusic.mp3
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 12:04:08 (PDT)
@Rick , some woman love Football, A LOT !
And if this remake is a vehicle for Alex O., they maybe out of luck because all the reviews say Scott Cann is the one saving the show.So let's see what happens after a few episodes.
This remake still looks to me as a video game. Not even a CSI. They have destroyed the spirit of Hawaii five-O.I am not interested at all.
Pam
- Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 12:01:05 (PDT)
"I don't remember anything about McG's dad being a victim. It's possible that there is something about this in a late season episode. These comments are the kind of thing that aren't easy to disprove and that makes them especially stupid."
Among what seems like an unlimited stream of vacuous posts around here lately, yours just might be the stupidest.
Rick
Newport Beach, CA USA - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 11:53:28 (PDT)
"Seems odd as a good portion of the demo they are targeting will be tuned in to MNF for half the season."
Not odd at all. The target demo will not be watching MNF. The show is a vehicle for Alex O and the target demo is women. You need to read Ed Bernero's interview after he left the project.
Rick
Newport Beach, CA USA - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 11:46:22 (PDT)
Uh, Boris ... there WAS something about McGarrett's father being a victim. The specific reference is in a post two down from yours and after the original question (which was three down, and which you presumably saw)!
HELLO! Doesn't anyone EVER read anything around here? Makes me wonder why I bother some times.
And Big Chicken -- Five-O is not the only upcoming TV show to be spoofed, just go you don't obsess too much about that phony ad. See this link: http://www.collegehumor.com/article:1809189
Mr. Mike, the annoyed
Vancouver, BC - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 11:28:51 (PDT)
I may be pressured to turn in my H50 fan badge for saying this, but I'm looking forward to watching the new version Monday night. God knows I'm not terribly thrilled with the casting, but I'm hoping the ensemble gels and they are able to pull some essence of the old show into the new generation.
The only thing that stuns me is CBS's placement of the show on the schedule....smack against 'Monday Night Football.' Seems odd as a good portion of the demo they are targeting will be tuned in to MNF for half the season. Makes more sense to me to drop it in on Tuesdays with the killer 'NCIS' lead-in and put the already established 'The Good Wife' in the Monday slot.
BigCityGal
NYC, - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 11:27:25 (PDT)
Sure, Nadja. You’re more than welcome to join in. We’ll have to organize an online prayer ceremony ;-)
I agree with you, that mock ad is neither rude nor funny.
Trying to pass off this Surfin’ CSI as Hawaii Five-O — Ain’t nothing funny bout’ that.
Big Chicken
Seattle, WA- Steve McGarrett Country - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 11:15:47 (PDT)
I have seen most of the eps from seasons 1 - 8. I don't remember anything about McG's dad being a victim. It's possible that there is something about this in a late season episode. These comments are the kind of thing that aren't easy to disprove and that makes them especially stupid. Because even if there was some bit of soggy writing in, for example, season 12 that mentions this as a way to have a drink of whisky as the ship goes down - then it's still not relavent to the show in my opinion. Here's one thing: I don't believe this - because it's not at all within the character of the show! Mcg is not on some vendetta trip - it's about justice, remember. Can't a cop care?
boris
springfield, ma usa - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 11:01:47 (PDT)
Another Honolulu Star-Advertiser take on the new Hawaii Five-O, comparing Five-0 then and now: http://bit.ly/cLXZJ4
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 10:45:47 (PDT)
In the 11th season show, Number One with a Bullet, the gangster Allie Francis (Nehemiah Persoff) asks McGarrett what makes him tick. McGarrett reveals the motivation for his becoming a cop, replying when he was thirteen years old, he watched his father buried at the age of 42 which forced his mother to spend 20 years bringing up the family. He goes on: "On his way home from work, my father was run down and killed by some bastard like you who had just held up a supermarket."
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 09:33:09 (PDT)
Hello all,
I was reading a comparison article of the old and new series and ran across this tid-bit that I don't remember hearing or seeing in the original series:
"Who's bad now: The pilot features book-end appearances by a Euro-trash terrorist named Victor Hesse, played by James Marsters of "Buffy the Vampire Slayer." He provides the impetus for the formation of the new outside-the-law "Five-0" team by murdering McGarrett's father before the first commercial. (In the original series, McGarrett's father was also a victim, run down by a supermarket robber.)"
from http://www.staradvertiser.com/features/featuresstories/20100919_Hawaii_Five-0_back_on_the_beat.html
My question:
I watched the series as a teen and was crazy about McGarrett then. I don't recall any mention of McGarrett's father being a victim ever being said. Does anyone else recall this? Please help.
Anne
Tangerine, FL USA - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 09:25:15 (PDT)
I didn't ask Eddie Sherman about the claims of infidelity made by this biographer of Jack Lord. I asked him about the comments sent to me by some OTHER woman who said:
"My aunt came out on a few episodes on "Hawaii 5-0" as a hula dancer. She is 84 years old and is not sure of the name of the episodes. Can you track them down for me? Her artistic name back then was "Lani Lei" and unfortunately she was involved in a scandal for her affair with Jack Lord, which made the front page of the paper. She has also gone by [other] names...."
Neither Sherman nor someone else connected with the show who should know stuff like this knew what she was talking about.
By the way, despite the fact this biographer told me "Frankly, I think you are one of the rudest men I've ever had contact with," she has sent me at least two requests to be her pal on Facebook!
The last time when I tried to contact her by looking her up at Facebook, neither I nor a couple of other people could find her ... maybe because she has her Facebook privacy levels set in some way that NO ONE can see her?
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 08:25:52 (PDT)
Looks like my archaeological dig to recover "lost data" is over.
I managed to previously find up to Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 20:08:11 (PDT) because that was still appearing when Bing grabbed the page "yesterday."
BING
Cached page brings up the following:
Below is a snapshot of the Web page as it appeared on 18/09/2010
Results only go up to Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 16:06:59 (PDT)
So this was grabbed after the crash on Thursday night, when I still hadn't recovered a lot of stuff.
GOOGLE:
Cached page brings up the following:
It is a snapshot of the page as it appeared on 16 Sep 2010 01:59:10 GMT.
Google seems to grab the page only once a week, previous one was a week before.
Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 18:39:00 (PDT)
I only got a couple more postings after this.
There might be more stuff at Google in the next day or so, but I am skeptical.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 08:18:28 (PDT)
@Elaine
It was "Dealer's Choice-Blackmail" She says "Aloha ke akua" which is to say "God is love" and he says "A'ole pilikia" which means something like "No problem".
Nadja
Berlin, - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 07:35:45 (PDT)
Just got my copy of the Hawaii Five-O CD and it's great. As I listen to the various tracks, I can actually see the action happening in my mind's eye. I don't think I would have picked track 3 as McGarrett's Theme, although he did dance with Nicole on the Jeremy Bentham to this music...but Mac was more of an action hero, so I think Call to Danger should have been renamed for McGarrett. Mr. Mike, notice on the last cut, The Chase...how it starts? It's the same staccato da-da-da-da-da-da-da....from the Man From U.N.C.L.E. that I called the gallop rhythm...so now we can officially name it as The Chase Rhythm. (One day I'll have to learn how to spell rhythm...!
One last item. I think it was on Target a Cop from Season Nine when McGarrett goes to visit the widow of his cop friend who was killed. His widow utters some words in Hawaiian and he speaks back to her in Hawaiian. Does anyone out there have a translation for what was actually said? Please. Thank you!
Have a nice day...Mahalo
Elaine
Watertown, MA - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 06:38:02 (PDT)
You missed the whole point, Ringfire. Go back and read the astounding questions people have asked Mike and find the ones about the woman who wanted his help researching her book. She claimed to have all this proof that Jack had slept around (to the nth degree, I gathered). Mike said he asked Eddie Sherman whether he knew anything about it and that Eddie said he did not. If you had read my whole message about Kitty Kelly-like books, you would know what I was talking about.
The only Lord I worship is the Lord Almighty, "maker of all things seen and unseen and in Jesus Christ, his only begotten son..." (taken from the Nicene Creed). But I do admire Jack and see him as an excellent role model. He made his mistakes along the way, yet he kept on keeping on, and he did a lot of good for a lot of people along the way.
Quite frankly, I find a lot of the fault-finding and name calling against Jack to be nothing more than sour grapes. Surely, we have better things to do with our time than that.
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 04:24:21 (PDT)
It's neither rude nor funny, it's exactly what it is ;-)
@Big Chicken May I join you?
Nadja
Berlin, - Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 04:10:58 (PDT)
Surfin' CSI is right, brudda. Many thanks for sharing, Mr. Mike. I'd say that pretty much sums it up for a lot of us in the Five-O community.
Now I gotta go finish praying to Jack and burnin' off that incense in his name :)
Big Chicken
Seattle, WA - May the good Lord (Jack) save us from the Surfin' CSI - Saturday, September 18, 2010 at 23:53:05 (PDT)
This is pretty rude or funny, depending on your viewpoint (no, it wasn't made by me ":-):
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Saturday, September 18, 2010 at 22:04:01 (PDT)
A review of the Five-O soundtrack CD: http://exm.nr/9AgJ8H
Buy it from SAE -- http://bit.ly/bxNYN2
Download it from Amazon.com -- http://amzn.to/bsIGUj
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Saturday, September 18, 2010 at 20:37:16 (PDT)
Just watched that latest CBS video and again it amazes me how many people are either bad at maths or don't know the year the original show started. I have heard and read so many different years ago when the original show premiered that it's astounding that none of these people did basic research on the show.
The newsreader in this video said that the new show would be premiering 46 years to the date of the original show. :p
JulieS
Australia - Saturday, September 18, 2010 at 20:33:11 (PDT)
Music from the shower scene in Psycho on the ringtone? Gee, how original. Was it just a year ago that we heard it on "The Good Wife" as Alicia's ringtone for her mother-in-law?
Sylvia
Pembroke Pines, FL USA - Saturday, September 18, 2010 at 20:02:54 (PDT)
This series is irreplacable and can not be duplicated.
The actors, music, story lines ect.
It can only be copied and will remain in the shadow of the original series.
Rodney Ringler
Lubbock, TX USA - Saturday, September 18, 2010 at 19:34:05 (PDT)
"claiming to have proof that Jack lived a less than exemplary life, etc? If so, count me out!" -- I always get strange vibes when I read stuff like this. You do realize that Jack was just a man, right? A man who, like us all of us, had his faults. That much I am certain about and I don't need a book to tell me that. I certainly hope nobody out there actually prays to Jack. Or burns incense in his name. I respect the man as an actor and am eternally thankful for the Five-0 that he gave us but I won't go stomping my foot and gnashing my teeth if I hear something less than stellar about the man. He's fully entitled to his faults just like any other mortal.
ringfire211
Philadelphia, PA USA - Saturday, September 18, 2010 at 19:27:46 (PDT)
Is this the book by the woman who wrote you, Mike, claiming to have proof that Jack lived a less than exemplary life, etc? If so, count me out! I didn't read Kitty Kelly's trash, and I won't read anyone else's, either.
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Saturday, September 18, 2010 at 18:42:15 (PDT)
I recieved an email from TV music historian Jon Burlingame about concerns regarding the just released Film Score Monthly HAWAII FIVE-0 CD - he wanted to make sure that everyone knew that this was an "official" and "legitimate" release of the original Capitol Records LP and is a straight "re-issue" of that recording and to please purchase the CD with confidence.
I recieved my copy in the mail on Friday and I could not be happier with it - I think Mort Stevens would have been very proud - I take my hat off to Lukas Kendall and the team at FSM, as well as Jon Burlingame for writing such outstanding liner notes...:-)
Glenn
Orlando, FL USA - Saturday, September 18, 2010 at 17:45:11 (PDT)
There is plenty of the music from the original Capitol soundtrack in the show itself, especially the pilot episode and the first season. Jon Burlingame in his liner notes to the FSM release points out specific instances of this.
In the episode Up Tight, which is about some LSD-dispensing professor probably modelled on Timothy Leary, some of the weird "psychedelic" music in the background is played by members of The Ventures, who made a big hit out of the Five-O main theme.
This means that the Ventures really >did< play on the soundtrack sometime during the show's run, but not the main theme, which is what many people mistakenly think.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Saturday, September 18, 2010 at 17:32:02 (PDT)
"The interviewer from the CBS affiliate (who is kind of hyper) seems amazed about DDK playing a cop ... she obviously doesn't realize that he played the leader of a SWAT-type team on "24."" -- Right, Daniel Dae Kim played SWAT leader Tom Baker in seasons 2 & 3 of "24"! Before his fame on "LOST" of course.
ringfire211
Philadelphia, PA USA - Saturday, September 18, 2010 at 17:11:36 (PDT)
Thanks Mike. I downloaded all the tunes on the original record from a music blog; y'know where they get rid of it within two weeks to avoid the copyright snafu? It was disappointing because NONE of the music was actually from the show. I've heard movie soundtrack records like that also, and i never understand the point of it. (if that's the same record we're talking about.)
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NYC, NY John Ritter - Saturday, September 18, 2010 at 16:49:46 (PDT)
There won't be any CDs of the music from the individual shows by Ray, Broughton, Stevens, etc. because CBS owns the rights to that music and according to a major player who -- if anyone could -- could bring this stuff out, "CBS is impossible to deal with."
The "CD project" is the reissuing of the Capitol LP on CD by Film Score Monthly (www.filmscoremonthly.com) ... you can buy the CD here:
http://www.screenarchives.com/title_detail.cfm/ID/14350/HAWAII-FIVE-0/
Screen Archives Entertainment is the official purveyor of CDs from Film Score Monthly.
Because this CD is kind of short (less than half an hour, because of licensing restrictions from Capitol), this CD is available at a bargain price, considerably cheaper than most other FSM offerings.
As far as the "Jack Lord's book" is concerned ... do you mean a "book *about* Jack Lord"? Jack Lord has been dead for almost 12 years. There are rumours about a biography of Lord being written, not an autobiography ... or maybe more than one book. Information about this has been hinted at in postings on the H50FC Yahoo group.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Saturday, September 18, 2010 at 14:32:10 (PDT)
I'm out of the loop. What is the CD project? I'm interested. I've made many tapes of the incidental music, straight from the episodes, and it would be great to get clean versions.
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NYC, NY Bob Basso - Saturday, September 18, 2010 at 14:04:58 (PDT)
ANYONE KNOW WHEN JACK LORDS BOOK IS DUE OUT?
robert rose jr
bridgewater, NJ - Saturday, September 18, 2010 at 14:00:22 (PDT)
Whoa ho! Our own Mike Quigley contributed to the CD project! Way to go, Michael! I don't suppose you could help persuade CBS to release CDs of Don B. Ray's and Bruce Broughton's Five-0 compositions??? Please??? Pretty please??? Laurel Ray told me a couple of weeks ago that all Don's compositions are owned by CBS, so she is unable to help, but now that an example has been set... Is there any chance of obtaining these CDs, too?
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Saturday, September 18, 2010 at 13:53:39 (PDT)
Nadja, there is a copy of McGarrett's picture even closer to home. DUH!!
http://fiveohomepage.com/images/mcgpicture.jpg
BTW, 50FOREVER, you only have to glance at the "Mahalo" section on the last page of the 5-0 CD booklet to know that it is a quality product! ":-)
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, CB - Saturday, September 18, 2010 at 13:25:28 (PDT)
Thanks to Micro-Slop's search engine Bing, more of the deleted postings have been recovered. As usual, there is the usual weirdness with the cached pages. According to the top of the Cached page, it says "Below is a snapshot of the Web page as it appeared on 17/09/2010" (i.e., yesterday, Friday). But the most recent posting in the Guestbook is Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 20:08:11. If I am lucky, the remaining stuff from the evening of the 15th and most of the 16th will appear tomorrow or the next day.
Mr. Mike, a.k.a. "nephew of Che Fong"
Vancouver, BC - Saturday, September 18, 2010 at 13:17:08 (PDT)
Thank you, MStevensFan. The print is so small that I missed seeing that. Yes, due credit is given. Good! I really didn't want to have to send it back. LOL
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Saturday, September 18, 2010 at 12:41:40 (PDT)
Probably the all-time best souvenir one could have from the show, besides one of McG's cars of course, would be the small wooden placard on Steve's door. "S. McGarrett FIVE-O". (or is it the other way around)
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NYC, NY Richard Denning - Saturday, September 18, 2010 at 12:03:05 (PDT)
The music is just what? a couple of minutes? Sorry I have watched the pilot and I pass.The team is weak and the show seems like a violent action video game. The spirit of Hawaii five-O is gone.
Thanks, but No Thanks!
- Saturday, September 18, 2010 at 11:59:43 (PDT)
Yes, the theme music has been changed from the horrid version that was posted on You Tube in May (that received lots of negative comments!). The new theme was recorded here in Burbank by the CBS Orchestra. The producers are listening to the fans and trying! I say we all give them a chance?
Here it here:
http://kluv.radio.com/2010/09/08/the-new-hawaii-five-0-theme-song/
Dalen Quaice
Burbank, CA USA - Saturday, September 18, 2010 at 11:27:40 (PDT)
The new "revised open" released by CBS a few weeks ago is much, much better then the open CBS planned to use a few months ago. It appears that CBS was reading our comments from this very website- Thank you CBS! The new arrangement is still shorter the original 1 minute theme but does have the spirit of the original. I think Morton Stevens would be pleased. strangely, I saw a 1 minute version of the new theme on other videos but is apparently not being used. Maybe it will appear on a future soundtrack release. Thanks again CBS for listening to us- the fans. Aloha!
Dale Bachman
West Jordan, UT u - Saturday, September 18, 2010 at 11:14:21 (PDT)
The CD is from Film Score Monthly and distributed by Screen Archives and is fully legitimate. The release is fully licensed; Capitol Records is indeed listed in the copyright information on the back cover and the disc itself.
MStevensfan
New York, NY US - Saturday, September 18, 2010 at 10:50:05 (PDT)
Wave Crest, I got my CD yesterday, and I'm not sure it's legitimate. The only company logo is SAE, the company that sells them. There is no reference to Columbia Records or CBS or Paramount. I'm returning mine.
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Saturday, September 18, 2010 at 09:37:02 (PDT)
Nadja's link is a good one. Or google "Montague Dawson" (the artist) and/or "The Great Tea Race of 1866" and you'll find it.
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Saturday, September 18, 2010 at 09:33:11 (PDT)
Thought I'd just pop in briefly, as I want to avoid spoilers for the Five-O revival.
This probably has been posted about already, but a news article was posted on Yahoo! in the week about the UK channel Bravo. It is closing down (along with another channel called Channel One). Sky is dropping Bravo and Channel One. It's interesting, but also worrying, because Bravo bought the rights to show the Hawaii Five-O revival in the UK. Who will show it now? I'm hoping, but I doubt it (I'd like to be proven wrong though), that the episodes will be available to download on iTunes' UK site after they've premiered in the US.
Just checked on EpGuides.com's episode list page for the Five-O revival, and there have been some alterations and additions to the list. "Ohana" was previously beside "Pilot", but now it's the title of episode 2. No title yet for episode 3, but there are titles for the next four episodes (episode 4 "Nalowale", episode 5 "Ko'Olauloa", episode 6 "Ho'Apono" and episode 7 "Mana'O"). There is also a brief episode synopsis for episode 2 "Ohana" on TVRage.com.
Had a mini-mini-mini Hawaii Five-O marathon this past week, watching five episodes, from "Full Fathom Five" up to "...And They Painted Daisies On His Coffin". Favourite episodes so far (including "Cocoon") have been "Full Fathom Five", "Tiger in the Tail" and "...And They Painted Daisies On His Coffin".
Should be getting my copy of the Hawaii Five-O CD soundtrack in the post in the next week.
Wave_Crest
United Kingdom - Saturday, September 18, 2010 at 09:00:34 (PDT)
Why search far afield...?
http://www.hawaiifive0.org/painting.shtml
Nadja
Berlin, - Saturday, September 18, 2010 at 08:56:13 (PDT)
I did a search for the title of this picture using the info you supplied, including the quotes. The info is not exactly correct, but on Google's "revised" link, this takes you to two places, one of which shows a picture similar to the one in McGarrett's office (that is here -- http://bit.ly/d6yq2R). The other place you end up is some site of "teen" pictures where there is a "Warning! 18+ Only" gateway. Pretty funny.
This reminds me of when the other day I was doing an innocuous search for some other Five-O related baloney, maybe even my own analysis pages, and this kept linking up to some lurid Russian dating sites.
Note that the URL of the site where the picture is located above is also in Russia.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Saturday, September 18, 2010 at 07:55:56 (PDT)
Both the picture and the frame look new. You can buy prints of "Arial and Taeping / The Great Tea Race of 1866" almost anywhere and everywhere, including art.com.
McGarrett's copy appeared behind Admiral Henderson's desk in "M Station: Hawaii." Same frame and everything.
h50 1.0 forever
- Saturday, September 18, 2010 at 07:10:21 (PDT)
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=210126&id=56351291171
More pictures from Sunset at the Beach last Monday, Facebook membership is not required to view.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Saturday, September 18, 2010 at 07:07:07 (PDT)
http://cbs11tv.com/video/?id=57445@ktvt.dayport.com
Interesting, they are "reusing" the painting which was in McGarrett's office. I don't think it is the original. The guy who owned the original contacted me many months ago wanting to sell it. He said the original was in pretty bad condition!
The interviewer from the CBS affiliate (who is kind of hyper) seems amazed about DDK playing a cop ... she obviously doesn't realize that he played the leader of a SWAT-type team on "24."
I just recognized the ring tone for Danno's wife: it's the shower music from "Psycho."
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Saturday, September 18, 2010 at 06:55:34 (PDT)
I'm willing to give this show a chance, and I can't wait to watch it. I'm not sure if casting Grace Park as Kono is a wise choice, but we have to wait and see. Personally, I wanted to see a Hawaiian cast as Kono.
What might make this show a hit are the Alex O'Loughlin fans. Some of them are quite rabid about him, in fact too rabid. They will only watch the show for him, which is quite sad because it's an ensemble cast.
In fact, these fans kept talking about Alex on a Hawaii 5-0 fan page on Facebook even when it's a picture of Scott Caan. Which is quite weird.
Oh well, can't wait to watch it.
Jack
USA - Saturday, September 18, 2010 at 01:46:02 (PDT)
TO KIM. I agree: NOT GOING TO WATCH IT.
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NYC, NY Khigh Deigh - Friday, September 17, 2010 at 20:47:44 (PDT)
SEEN PROMOS ABOUT THE NEW SHOW DID NOT LIKE IT AT ALL NOT GOING TO WATCH IT
kim
sherwood park, al canada - Friday, September 17, 2010 at 19:53:44 (PDT)
ringfire, I am not a lawyer either but I would love to face you in court. Consent to a search must be given ENTIRELY VOLUNTARILY and without any coercion or intimidation on the part of the police. The fact that this character protested and even cited his Fourth Amendment right not to be searched destroys the "entirely voluntarily" part. Sure he could still have said no, but not saying no doesn't make it a legal search. McGarrett probably feels pretty comfortable about the situation because he apparently doesn't intend to actually charge the guy with a crime, but still, technically that's an illegal search.
Maxine
Brooklyn, NY - Friday, September 17, 2010 at 18:46:31 (PDT)
"Does this mean no one cares, or everyone is just standing around in stunned silence, sort of like after a train wreck?"
Looks like you caught us in our James "Kimo" Carew mode, where we have a kind of "I'm glad you do, Steve" attitude towards everything. ;)
It did get ugly and perhaps it's a good thing that those posts went bye-bye.
Steven
Miami, FL USA - Friday, September 17, 2010 at 12:15:03 (PDT)
What about the episode where we see Chin Ho's whole family, sitting around the house yelling at each other? That was messed up, yo.
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NYC, NY Sal Mineo - Friday, September 17, 2010 at 12:07:07 (PDT)
@Hans
Okay, point taken...Jack Lord was a feast for our female eyes although I have to say that I never quite understood his love for those weird panama hats of his. I remember watching the last of the Vashon Trilogy, the Patriarch and laughed my head off when McGarrett showed up at Doc's home wearing this ugly white Nehru? suit and foolish hat. Mike, you were right on when you said it screamed at the audience, Here I am...Liberace reincarnated! I know Marie, his wife, was a fashion designer and I think I read that she designed many of his outfits. But that one was such a roar...I still laugh when I think about it. So, okay, I'll give Grace Park to you guys as a concession ...and yes, I know she can act and possibly even speak the dialect....I have yet to see this pilot....so I will reserve judgement. By the way, I do remember Jack showing off more than a little leg in a subsequent scene...wearing a yellow bathrobe and little else while reclining at Doc's house. So yeah, I get it all too well.....
@Nadja
Thanks for the response. Yes, I am a writer and I have written 5 screenplays for Hawaii Five-O. I generally write under a pen name and have four novels in print currently. I read back in 2009 that HFO was possibly being rebooted as a new series based on McGarrett's son, Christopher. And there was a big question out there...where did Christopher come from? So I sat down and wrote a screenplay, a prequel to HFO about how Christopher came to be....Then of course, the ship changed direction and a new HFO based on the original cast was to be "rebooted", so I dusted off a screenplay I had written in 1975 and updated it somewhat (it was a Wo Fat episode, so I made a new North Korean villain to modernize things) and sent that off to various agents for readiing. Nobody was interested in it, so of course, I went ahead and wrote the sequel to it...and then the sequel to that one and another sequel....well, to make a long story short, I have written a mini-series basically....all tied together from one end to the other....but like most of my other great American novels, they will be unlikely to see the light of day.
I have never posted anything online. I am a senior citizen and computers are pretty much a mystery to me. My computer here is 12 years old. I have a dial-up connection (us retired folk can't afford FIOS or Xfinity) and am grateful for anything this machine does for me...but it is snail-paced at the best of times. All of my screenplays are registered with the Writers Guild of America West in LA, and "Flowers" is being copyrighted with the Library of Congress, but I won't put anything online because even though these works are registered as Intellectual Properties, it is too easy to steal ideas. IF, big if here, the new series is a hit, then maybe....some point down the line, there will be a general call for scripts (I' won't hold my breath)...and I'll happily submit my stuff...but for now, my HFO efforts, such as they are, remain offline....In the meantime, I can't live on my existing royalties, so if anyone out there would like to buy my great American novels, go to Amazon.com and look up an author by the name of Marion Earl MacKenzie....she's a very good writer, and her horse was cute....
Elaine
Watertown, MA USA - Friday, September 17, 2010 at 11:35:50 (PDT)
"ringfire, watch the clip... [Referring to http://fiveohomepage.com/video/mutualconcern.MP4 ... discussion about this got deleted.] McGarrett most definitely does not ASK the man if he would open his briefcase - he ORDERS him to, twice, very firmly." -- Yes, he tells him to open it. Which is another way of saying that he asks him to open it. Nowhere in that clip does McGarrett actually use force to get the man to open the suitcase. I don't care how sternly McGarrett talks to the man. The fact remains that no force was used. The man could have simply stood his ground and said "NO". Heck, McGarrett not only doesn't threaten him with bodily harm but he also doesn't threaten him with arrest or anything of that nature. He merely tells him "Open it". The man's answer should have been "No". Instead he complies and opens the suitcase. Again, very clever on the part of McGarrett. Back to my original analogy -- if someone *orders* me to smoke a joint (no matter how firmly) I can simply refuse to. I have control of my actions as long as that control is not taken away from me physically. Man, I missed my calling! Should have been a lawyer.. LOL.
ringfire211
Philadelphia, PA USA - Friday, September 17, 2010 at 10:13:31 (PDT)
“Again, just my opinion, but we know why Grace is really on the team, don't we?”
Probably because she’s attractive and us guys like to look at girls (I know, the horror of it all) but she also has some decent acting chops if you have seen her work. I too question the physical feats she pulls off in the promo but it’s unfair to dismiss her acting abilities just because she’s pretty. Plenty of women tuned in to drool over Jack Lord back in the day and not all of them appreciated the finer points of the show. In the end, it added a plus to the ratings.
Tell me why Pauly Gardner A.K.A. Tig O. Bitties got the gig in Season 9? I just watched To Kill A Mind and she’s a disaster. She helped bring a top shelf season into Season 12 territory with her performance. I know some people get “emotional” about the old show but how about a little more objectivity… among all the great things 5-O was it was also a T&A show for the guys and a Jack Lord fest for the dolls with all his cutesy outfits…
Hans
Boston, MA USA - Friday, September 17, 2010 at 09:55:18 (PDT)
Changing subjects, when will we learn the release date for Season 10?
Bill
Lantana, FL USA - Friday, September 17, 2010 at 09:42:11 (PDT)
@Elaine
Thank you for your post. I noticed the first one already and I agree with you. As for Star Trek, I liked the Original Series and I liked the Next Generation, that was a concept I could pretty good live with. But with the last movie everything what ever happened in TOS and TNG is disputable now and they can meddle with it as they like it. And now they're going for the next Icon to see how much money they can squeeze out of it. Fans of the orginal? Who cares!
I also seem to remember that you said you were writing fanfiction. Actually, I like to read fanfiction. Did you post anything of your stuff?
Nadja
Berlin, - Friday, September 17, 2010 at 08:56:08 (PDT)
Sorry, Mike, but you need to lose a dozen more remarks to erase what I posted but should not have. LOL Aren't we just terrible!
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Friday, September 17, 2010 at 07:20:18 (PDT)
So the lengthy, mostly inane remarks, I made here on 9/16 got deleted...were they worth repeating? No, probably not because no one really pays any attention to anything I do or say...story of my life...but, I came to this web site with great enthusiasm to talk about one of my all-time favorite shows and the last few days of postings had people cussing and unloading such vile crap that I got pissed off and fired back for a TIME OUT PEOPLE! Hey, I love Hawaii Five-O. To my mind, there is and ever shall be only one HFO and only one Steve McGarrett (Jack Lord for better or for worse), one Dan Williams, James MacArthur, etc. etc. You cannot duplicate the original and it was callous of Mr. Lenkov to call this reboot Hawaii Five-O. It should have been called Hawaii Blue or CSI: Hawaii....something to distinguish it from the original because fans of the original cannot help but compare this updated version to the real deal since all the characters are named the same, well almost (I have always loved the character of Kono and I missed him after the 4th season...having a lady play this role is, I feel, kind of silly...after all the new team is supposed to be special and why add someone to the team who is just out of the police academy and unseasoned? Again, just my opinion, but we know why Grace is really on the team, don't we?) Anyway, I will try to keep this stream of consciousness crap to a minimum, but the world is already a dark and dangerous place and although everyone is entitled to their opinion (this is still a free country, or so we are led to believe), I hate to think that this web site is degenerating into a mud-slinging, name-calling rag. I am new to this site and not at all familiar with the "players" but it has gotten pretty testy and there's simply no need for it. Yes, people are passionate about Hawaii Five-O (on both sides of the aisle here). So maybe a reality check IS in order? Why does there have to be so much negativity? Can we have less of the personal attacks and still voice our opinions without fear of being attacked? Just...a suggestion.
It would have perhaps been better if Kurtzman and Orci had written a pilot based on the concept of McGarrett's son, so that the 30 years that have passed since the original went off the air would make more sense to the die-hard fans like myself. I will watch the new series when it airs this coming Monday night since I have not yet seen it, unlike so many of you, mostly out of curiosity to see how Hawaii has changed since I was last there in '73. I went to Hawaii in 1973 hoping to watch some filming of HFO, but alas they had already wrapped up filming for the year and I never did get that autograph of Jack Lord that I was hoping for....
So, this new show, which many feel won't be able to hold a candle to the original, is in a very real sense a tribute to the original...that a show that lasted 12 seasons on TV back in the 70's and 80's, the first real ensemble drama, is so well thought of, that people want to copy it. Let's face it, Mr. Lenkov and CBS are out to make some money which is why they're calling this new version Hawaii Five-O....they're hoping that the name alone will be a spring-board to success. But we know what went into the making of the original....great acting (just watch the intensity on Jack Lord's face when McGarrett cries over the death of his nephew, or counsels Danno about pulling his gun after he accidentally killed Thad, or his concern for that big Kanaka Kono when he's been beaten to a pulp by his kidnappers), well-thought out scripts from great writers like Jerome Coopersmith, Bill Stratton, Al Sapinsky (sp?", fast-paced action and snappy dialogue....hallmarks of a truly great show...
So, everyone whose hot under the collar out there, remember to wiggle your toes daily....it does wonders for one's blood pressure and reduces stress and SMILE (No, it's not Fantasy Island but Ricardo made several appearances on HFO before he became MR.ROURK, so we have another connection to the original.
This is still a great web site, Mr. Mike. Kudos to you for allowing our voices to be heard.
Mahalo!
Pau!
Elaine
Watertown, MA USA - Friday, September 17, 2010 at 06:25:03 (PDT)
I discovered that the Star-Advertiser has an entire page devoted to the new Five-O here:
http://www.staradvertiser.com/hawaiifive0/
Among the higlights, previously posted or linked to here are:
Burl Burlingame's review of the new show, based on the pilot episode:
http://tgif.staradvertiser.com/archives/8047
Message from James MacArthur, read prior to pilot screening by Al Harrington:
http://tgif.staradvertiser.com/archives/8052
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Friday, September 17, 2010 at 04:37:44 (PDT)
Hmmm, interesting, I just gained another day of deleted stuff, thanks to Micro-Slop's Bing search engine. But at the top of their cached page, it says "Below is a snapshot of the Web page as it appeared on 16/09/2010 (the last time our crawler visited it)," even though the page only goes up to Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 16:06:59... Where is Che Fong when I need him!
BTW, not a single peep since I restored what I could of the page last night! Does this mean no one cares, or everyone is just standing around in stunned silence, sort of like after a train wreck? ":-/
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Friday, September 17, 2010 at 04:16:15 (PDT)
OOPS!
I was trying to edit some of the recent hysteria, and everything between this posting and the one below is now gone. Note to self: save an extra backup of the GB file on the hard drive (just like I do when archiving at the end of the month) when trying to do this in the future.
If anyone knows to recover this material, possibly from the cache on their computer, I would be interested in hearing from you. I can reconstruct from either text or HTML format if you can send any of the missing information to me. This is a very geeky procedure.
Anyway, back to our regularly scheduled programming ... but how about trying to keep the signal to noise ratio down? Otherwise I might lose more stuff.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Thursday, September 16, 2010 at 22:36:40 (PDT)
I watched the first episode of the new Hawaii Five-O on my Hawaiian Airlines flight 9/15/10. I was hooked...and will watch it again when it premiers on TV on 9/20. If the writers read these comments....I'd like to ask them to consider this: When Grace Park's character "Kono" come out of the water after surfing, and punches the other surfer for cutting her off, PLEASE....it was so unnecessary and would have been so much more effective for her character if she had used her brains to deal with it. If you want her to have power, then have her speak it.
Thanks!
Alice
San Diego, CA 92037 - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 20:08:11 (PDT)
The classic confrontation from "A Matter of Mutual Concern":
fiveohomepage.com/video/mutualconcern.MP4
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 19:47:38 (PDT)
LA (From earlier this morning);
I was frankly astonished by the nature of your letter. It reminds me of the same MacGarrett received by the vigilante sniper in "Mother's Deadly Helper"; his response, "When I see letters like this, I really get worried". Yes, I am worried, not so much for myself, but for others. The hissing hostility and the threats were rather amusing, though, because not once, at any juncture, did I ever provide enough personal information for anyone to launch a search. My profile suggests only information as would be provided on a routine business card. But I am concerned over the overt and questionable attitude that feels it must resort to this kind of hystrionic and aggressive stance to 'defend' the new incarnation and the attempt to silence me over my objections to the entire project. I can only ask you WHY you must resort to such threatening hostilities if the incarnation is, as you say, as good as you portend it to be.
It is, yet, another example of attempts in which to silence the original to pave the way for the incarnation. From the total elimination of Jack's character through murder to other voiceferous attempts to gang up on dedicated adherents of the original (and ONLY) and those, in particular, with the strongest attachments. Why do you feel the need to quell the honest voices of those with something critical to say and to denigrate the honest and forthright opinions of people with critical thought?
I hope for the sake of others reading this thread that they must not endure this kind of threatening behaviour.
I am certain your cooperation is assured. As you are well aware of, I was not chased off any site; rather, I do not allow others the luxury of intimidating me.
Long live Jack, Jim, Kam, Herman, Al, et al. Accept NO imitations.
Elizabeth M. Boggs
Bellingham, WA United States of America - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 18:39:00 (PDT)
" "A Matter of Mutual Concern," that's it. Right, so how is forcing someone to open his own briefcase different from the cop actually opening it himself? This is exactly what I found bewildering. " -- Actually I think this was very clever on the part of McGarrett and I genuinely think that a lawyer would really have a hard time proving a violation of the law in this case. I mean McGarrett didn't *really* force the guy to open it, did he? Nope. He *asked* him to open it. Isn't that right? Right. The hitman opened the suitcase of his own free will. He could have simply stood his ground and said a firm "NO!" to McGarrett. Alas he did not. If someone comes up to you and says "Here! Smoke this joint" you have the option of simply saying "No, thanks". Of course when they start forcing it into your mouth then that's a whole different story. Very clever that McGarrett :-)
ringfire211
Philadelphia, PA USA - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 18:34:08 (PDT)
TV.COM is having a giveaway for the 9th season DVD set:
http://www.tv.com/hawaiifive0-giveaway/
Some conditions apply, obviously...
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 16:55:40 (PDT)
No, I don't know if Glen Cannon was at the pilot premiere the other night. He was still acting in "Lost" about 5 years ago.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 16:54:53 (PDT)
Hey Mr. Mike
Do you know if Glen Cannon was at the H50 event! I think he is still alive!
Thanks,
Lena
Lena
USA - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 16:44:43 (PDT)
Dean, point taken, but when they try to remake the unremakable, then the world really IS coming to an end! (hey, as long as we're on here, we may as well be passionate about it.)
OTTO MANNIX
NYC, NY Brandon De Wilde - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 16:02:14 (PDT)
The way some people are ranting and complaining about the new show, you'd think the world was coming to an end. Calm down, as William Shatner said on SNL "It's just a TV show!" The world will end when the Chicago Cubs win the World Series.
Dean
Vernon Hills, IL USA - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 15:47:08 (PDT)
Honore Vashon has left the building...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100914/ap_en_mo/us_obit_harold_gould
Anne
Tangerine, FL USE - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 15:35:56 (PDT)
How about when Vic Morrow approaches John Ritter in a weird way? That was disturbing.
OTTO MANNIX
NYC, NY James Hong - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 14:23:03 (PDT)
I have a new favorite villain and his name is Doyle Weston… from Double Exposure… who came up with this character? From the gothic look to the baby food, he’s perfect! Was he only in one episode?
Hans
Boston, MA USA - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 13:56:55 (PDT)
Full moon today or something?
Chris
Columbus, OH USA - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 13:47:01 (PDT)
Trying to identify an episode.
All I remember was how it ended. McGarrett confronts a wealthy, elderly lady in her elegant home and informs her she is under arrest. She asks if she can all her lawyer. When the lawyer asks the charge, she asks McGarrett. He responds, "Murder, in the first degree."
Anyone know?
The episode is "Honor Is An Unmarked Grave" from Season 8.
It also featured a excellent music score by Morton Stevens.
It was directed by Jack Lord.
Glenn
Orlando, FL USA - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 13:19:25 (PDT)
Trying to identify an episode.
All I remember was how it ended. McGarrett confronts a wealthy, elderly lady in her elegant home and informs her she is under arrest. She asks if she can all her lawyer. When the lawyer asks the charge, she asks McGarrett. He responds, "Murder, in the first degree."
Anyone know?
John Barnes
Houston, TX - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 13:00:33 (PDT)
Re: "Now go slum around in some other group." - - -
I have to say the same thing, EMB. I don't like your forceful comments on my site, as though you were the webmaster. If you start finding fault with the actors or visitors there, I will delete your comments and block/delete you from membership. There's a difference between not caring for a particular actor and running him/her down in a group of people who do like him/her. I delete spam everyday, and I can delete your comments, too.
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 11:18:06 (PDT)
Thank you Mike for this:
"Posted by H-Fan in July:I surf a few Hawaii sites and saw her proudly bring a comment she made here over to them.
As far as I am aware,there was never any follow-up to this posting. So where is the evidence?
Thank you Hans for your post on the bathing habits then and now. I am 55 years old and well aware of how much cleaner we keep ourselves nowadays. Nice post!
And thank you especially to the curator of the James McCarther web site for her post.
I believe she has spared me the stress of responding to Elizabeth's meaningless and mean-spirited rantings. She explained it all very well.
Thank you all for your support.
keeping it real
LA, CA USA - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 11:10:42 (PDT)
This is directed to the Elizabeth Boggs:
I knew it would only be a matter of time before you decided to come over here to Mr. Mike's guestbook after we chased you and your sick, lunatic ravings out of the Yahoo group.
Be forewarned, lady. You gave out enough personal info in the Yahoo group that it was easy for me to track down a great deal of very personal information about you and your life. You are a real piece of work. You lie, you rave, you contradict yourself. You are one very, very, VERY sick puppy. I didn't reveal all that I knew about you as a person in the Yahoo group because it seemed unnecessary to go that route.
However, now you're starting all over again with your personal attacks on people you don't know. What makes you think, with your history and your life choices, that you have any right whatsoever to comment on the personal life and character traits of people who are complete strangers to you? You have no business calling the actors names, making insulting remarks about their personal lives, or any of the rest of it.
Ever hear the one about people who live in glass houses? Well, yours is all glass, chickie, and I've got a lot of rocks. You keep shooting your big mouth off about the personal lives and life choices of the Five-0 actors, original or new show, and I'm going to start hurling my big rocks at your very fragile glass house.
I don't know why you get your jollies by ragging on actors who are simply doing their jobs, but it needs to stop now. Keep a civil tongue in your head, guttersnipe, or have every intimate detail of your sick little life displayed here for all to see. Got it?
Good. Now go slum around in some other group. The troll quota for this guestbook is already full.
Curator, James MacArthur Web site
- Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 10:19:39 (PDT)
"....let’s not even dignify this new show by referring to it as & equating it with the genuine Hawaii Five-O. "
This banter on what to call "it" reminds me of a hilarious ep on King of the Hill...Hank Hill, a propane salesman, is said by his young son Bobby, to have called butane a "bastard gas". I ROTFFLMAO when I heard that one!! Anyone want to join me and call this 2.0 deal a "bastard 5-0"??? LOL as I type...
Big H
Raleigh, NC USA - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 10:16:50 (PDT)
"A Matter of Mutual Concern," that's it. Right, so how is forcing someone to open his own briefcase different from the cop actually opening it himself? This is exactly what I found bewildering.
Maxine
Brooklyn, NY - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 10:08:44 (PDT)
How about ONE FOR THE MONEY, where McGarrett kicks a big heavy door, not just open, but completely off its hinges and into the room? That is impressive.
OTTO MANNIX
NYC, NY Harry Guardino - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 10:02:27 (PDT)
>>>At least in the '60's, 70's, and the 80's, people actually took pride in their appearance and bathed and groomed regularly.<<<
How do you know how often people bathe? I think people bathe more now than they did back then. I remember it was much more common back then for people not to shower everyday and/or bathe the night before going to school instead of that morning.
>>> you'd think these icons would at least eat once in a while and find clothing other than in the reject dumpster. The hideous rags I see on the backs of celebs today I would find better use washing my car with and dusting my objec d'art<<<
With the raging obesity in America why criticize the few people who are the weight they are supposed to be? I think you have it backwards.
While you blather on about “back in your day” keep in mind that people who’s hey day was the 1940’s and 50’s said the same thing about the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s that you remember so fondly. Many of the old schoolers hated the culture, the clothing, the music etc of that era. Just like their parents frowned on their era and so on…
And Season 13, are you serious? James was the voice of reason by jumping ship, Season 12 was a disaster and often used as a punching bag by most fans. Danno not being there wasn’t the issue, it was the writing, acting, lack of inspiration and creativity across the board that stunk up the TV screen.
Hans
Boston, MA USA - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 09:59:52 (PDT)
Come on, EMB, stop picking on JMac. He's a good man. He doesn't have to be perfect. Fortunately, he's not perfect, since we aren't, either. But he played Danno very well. As for his leaving after Season 11, he wasn't the first to go.
According to an interview with JL in 'TV News' in the "Chicago Daily News" (February 11-18, 1978), "Ten years is a long time to stay with anything. I want to do other things with my life besides play McGarrett..."
The article goes on to say, "He [JL] said he questions the future of the show not because of the ratings but because of his own feelings. He loves the show, he said, but 70-hour work weeks can build up too much pressure.
No doubt, JMac, et al felt the same way. They just didn't own interest in the show and have to stay to see it to its conclusion.
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 09:47:22 (PDT)
>>>In fact, I liked him as "DANNO". I capitalize that name because he is the ONE, the ORIGINAL, and the ONLY.<<<
Actually he was the 2nd, not the only and not the original… other than that you’re spot on…
Hans
Boston, MA USA - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 09:31:19 (PDT)
"Ringfire, a week before Kevin McCarthy and Harold Gould died, Morgan White (AG Walter Stewart, Season 1) passed away. So, there have already been three." -- Oops, you are correct of course. I completely forgot reading about Morgan's passing. I guess he wasn't a famous actor (just a local Hawaiian actor) so he slipped my mind.
ringfire211
Philadelphia, PA USA - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 09:28:45 (PDT)
The episode where McGarrett is harassing the guy is "A Matter of Mutual Concern," my nomination for the most rank Five-O episode in terms of racist comments. Nick Nikolas plays this hood who arrives from the mainland. At the airport, McGarrett starts hassling him, and Nikolas quotes the US Constitution (which provokes amusement from Chin Ho). McGarrett tells him to open up his attaché case because McGarrett figures it contains a gun (which it actually does). Nikolas says words to the effect that this is unconstitutional, but McGarrett says something like "I'm not opening your case" (the implication being that Nikolas will do this "voluntarily"). I'm gonna try and isolate this clip and post it later, it's a classic!
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 09:25:38 (PDT)
Thank you, Mike, for importing my other message. I think it says it all. Including that elusive '13th season'. You did me a real favor. Including Bussey on that "Five-0" mirage. Soooooo funny. Thanks again.
Elizabeth M. Boggs
Bellingham, WA USA - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 09:22:58 (PDT)
Oh, by the way, LA, I can assure you there is not a hateful bone in my body. I love babies, children, the elderly, the handicapped, the disadvantaged, the distressed, puppy dogs, kitties, horsies, and all animals. I even love YOU, too.
Even if you ARE so misinformed.
Elizabeth M. Boggs
Bellingham, WA USA - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 09:16:43 (PDT)
Just so there can be no misunderstanding about exactly what Elizabeth said about JMac in the Yahoo group:
It was somewhat obvious that, in so many ways, MacArthur lacked the strength of character he could have made use of. He had a noticeable weakness to him and lack of intestinal fortitude. I know people like that who have an incapacity for follow-through and a weakness of character. In view of Mr. Lord's passing, it behooves him as the still-living resident to voice opinion, whether particularly sound or not. Anything to promote something that might hold something, whether of worth or not. Please remember how he was featured in another incarnation of "Five-O" with Gary Busey: hardly qualifiable with a long rap sheet of drug use. It took measurable powers of discerning aptitude to remotely consider Busey "Five-O" caliber. In alot of ways, MacArthur has had problems with making sound judgements. Remember, also, he bailed on the show. Perhaps that elusive 13th "season" might have transpired had he made a better judgement call in 1979.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 09:12:43 (PDT)
My comments about MacArthur had absolutely nothing to do with whether he was good or likeable or talented. Many likeable, nice, talented, and otherwise good-guys at heart have some other qualities. What I DID say is that MacArthur lacked the quality of standing his ground where it is needed. I actually felt sad for him in supporting the incarnation that clearly is NOT "Hawaii Five-O" in any way, shape, and form. My fiance' suggests that he may be trying to relive his 'glory days' through his involvement in this poor excuse of a replacement. In so many ways, YES, he IS talented, likeable, an all around good-guy. A very amiable and easy-going. YES, a very NICE guy. What is there NOT to like? In fact, I liked him as "DANNO". I capitalize that name because he is the ONE, the ORIGINAL, and the ONLY. He made the ideal second-in-command and his presence was vital to the show. A table cannot stand on three legs. When he left the show, it was obvious the show was on 'it's last legs'. I don't think he realized how important he was then. THAT IS A PITY. Right then and there. As for him personally, I have no negativity. I just question his choices, that's all. As for "Scotty-Whom", there can be NO comparison. As for the style of dress today, there can be no doubt that low-level scholck seems to be out there. At least in the '60's, 70's, and the 80's, people actually took pride in their appearance and bathed and groomed regularly. They respected their appearance and it showed. Clean, good grooming and well-styled clothing reflects pride in one's self and the face you present to the public. If failure to accept 'modern' skid row coture' means that I'm behind the times, well so be it. I have never sacrificed my self-respect to buy into the garbage found on most store shelves today. When people dress accordingly, it shows the world they respect how others interpret them. Good taste, cultured style, and self-pride never goes out of style. With all the money floating around in LA (and I once lived in the Southland), you'd think these icons would at least eat once in a while and find clothing other than in the reject dumpster. The hideous rags I see on the backs of celebs today I would find better use washing my car with and dusting my objec d'art.
Elizabeth M. Boggs
Bellingham, WA USA - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 09:05:16 (PDT)
So McGarrett is sort of pestering the guy instead of trying to bust him for some criminal activity? I don't know if that would wash legally either. That reminds me of the Season 9 episode "Blood Money Is Hard to Wash" where H50 keeps harassing & surreptitiously filming a suspected money-launderer. I thought that was a bit dubious as well (so did the suspect - and I think he said something about it). About the older episode, I don't recall if there were goons there to witness the confrontation... I wonder if anyone out there knows what episode this was...?
Maxine
Brooklyn, NY - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 08:39:38 (PDT)
Were there any witnesses to McGarrett searching the mobster (i.e., the mobster's stooges?). Probably McGarrett was just trying to freak the guy out and I'm sure the guy had something to hide. The implication is "we can make your life a living hell if you don't co-operate."
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 08:15:59 (PDT)
Some Facebook pictures of the premiere (I think you need to be a FB member to see this):
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2089342&id=1260490106
Includes one picture featuring Jimmy Borges and Kimo Kahoano:
http://bit.ly/dCHkRX
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, CB - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 08:01:10 (PDT)
There is an episode in one of the early seasons where something along the lines of this occurs: a known mobster or figure of notorious background arrives in Hawaii on a plane, where McGarrett meets him and insists on going through the man's coat and personal effects. "That's an illegal search!" protests the man. McGarrett simply says, "I'm not searching you" and the search proceeds. I was bewildered by this sequence as it seemed what McGarrett was doing was the dictionary definition of an illegal search.
Maxine
Brooklyn, NY - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 07:52:33 (PDT)
There are a lot of instances where McG and company break into somebody's place without a warrant..the killer's house in Wednesday Ladies Free comes to mine. Also, a lot of the wiretapping seems to be on fairly shaky legal ground, one wonders if a real life judge would sign off on these things. One of the reasons I love Law & Order is how it looks at all the complexities(and contradictions) of our legal system. Still, I refuse to watch Law & Order Los Angeles the same way many people on this site refuse to watch the new Five-O. New York IS Law & Order, I just can't picture it anywhere else.
Chris
Columbus, OH USA - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 07:38:59 (PDT)
I recall reading an article where someone suggested that Five-O was the epitome of a "break-57-varieties-of-civil-rights" cop show, but I don't think that is the case at all. (Are there any candidates for this? Starsky and Hutch, for example?) The Miranda decision where people arrested had to be apprised of their civil rights in the USA came down in the mid-1960s, which was well before Five-O even started. There are several Five-O episodes where McGarrett is very careful to make sure that people arrested are read their rights. But ... there are other episodes where Five-O engages in what could be probably called entrapment, and I'm sure a clever lawyer could have the case thrown out. Not to say this kind of police work doesn't still exist today. What I find particularly disturbing about "justice" in the USA is the fact that people are willing to make deals for a reduced sentence, even though they may still be innocent, just because they don't want to take a chance in court because they will probably be found guilty because of other circumstances.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 06:58:52 (PDT)
Posted by H-fan in July: "I surf a few Hawaii sites and saw her proudly bring a comment she made here over to them..."
As far as I am aware, there was never any follow-up to this posting.
So where is the "evidence"?
McGarrett would laugh!
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 06:48:25 (PDT)
Oh, I meant "even though you didn't know ANYONE here". I'm sorry I didn't write correctly but as you perhaps already noticed I'm not a native English speaker but at least it's spelled right.
Nadja
Berlin, - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 06:23:40 (PDT)
You're right, I don't know you and I don't pretend it. I was referring to this:
"PS "get real" is obnoxious! LOL I surf a few Hawaii sites and saw her proudly bring a comment she made here over to them, so I know who she is and she stalks Alex O'Laughlin.
H-fan
Atlanta, GA US - Sunday, July 11, 2010 at 21:00:35 (PDT)"
Maybe that's not fair and pure prejudice but you're not even unprejudiced yourself.
I'm on this guestbook for nearly three years now and I saw you falling in here and pulling everyone to pieces who had another opinion than yours. And you got very personal even though you didn't know everyone here. What goes around, comes around.
Nadja
Berlin, - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 05:31:30 (PDT)
Nadja;
OTHER PAGES? WTF???
You don't know me at all.That is ridiculous. Check out the Yahoo site or ask Mike by e-mail for more info.I know he posts there. I bet he could show you some of Elizabeth's posts I am sure. But don't pretend you know anything about me. OTOH, I have actually read Elizabeth's stuff. What have you read of mine? What are you talking about? Show me some of "my stuff." This I have to see.
keeping it real
LA, CA USA - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 03:44:19 (PDT)
Wait a minute, keeping it real or Get real or whatever. Look who's talking. I remember just a few weeks ago you were ranting and raving here, insulting people who don't like the new show. I don't dislike you because you're a fan of the new show. I just note that you're not able to accept that there are people who don't like the new show and have a different opinion and that you're always brazenly lashing out at those who express their doubts about the new show or the cast.
I also heard about how you're acting on other pages. So, don't run down others. I think you're the one who should take a look into the mirror.
Nadja
Berlin, - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 02:00:05 (PDT)
"Since when does someone who looks like a gutter-level street thug have the distinction of using the name "Steve McGarrett"? Tatted, unshaven, wearing Goodwill rejects (and looking like his partner; unbathed for at least a month)' smart-alec and totally socially inept with the finesse of a dung beetle. What, dear GOD were they thinking? "Danno" unable to knot a simple tie? Slovenly, sloppy and dim-witted to boot.
OMG, Elizabeth! What rock did you just crawl out from under? Yeah, Steve in his dress uniform looks like a gutter-level street thug. Both unbathed for a month? Dim-witted? Scott can't tie his tie? WHERE do you see that?
You know, you are a total basket case. I have seen your posts on the yahoo site and seriously girl, you need emotional help. You insult these characters calling them sloppy---have you ever left the 1960s and 70's? Styles change. If you are going to insult people at least learn how to write correctly and spell? Maybe Danno looks unbathed because he was just SHOT BY A GUN and is actually chasing down criminals. In real life, you rarely stay clean during that.
And after your totally absurd comments, I want to clear up the record on something you said on Yahoo about Alex, whom you obviously know nothing about.You claim that he has done nothing for society like your precious Jack Lord.
Did you know that when he played a vampire his fans ran blood drives all over the world and he represented us?
Did you know that playing a heart transplant surgeon he took courses about organ transplantation and became an official ambassador for organ donation and in August of this year he was elected the Person of the Year for his work in the cause of organ donation and its awareness?
Before you belittle actors you have no knowledge about, or insult others, maybe you should look in the mirror. There you will see a bitter old woman who is so filled with hate for herself that she tries to bring others down to her level. I know many here will not understand my anger towards you, but if they knew how others on the Yahoo site who are fans of the old show dissed you because you insulted JM as a person, they would all be on my side.
I know you will answer me back, as you did with the fans of JM to the point where the JM site owner ranted back at you for dissing him. I expect your idiocy to show up once again.
But don't come over to another site and begin your lunacy towards the new show.You dissed JM and you tried to compare him to Jack negatively. You are one sick puppy.
Those of you who dislike me because I am a fan of the new H50 need to check out the Yahoo site to see what this lady said over there. I assure you, she is only a fan of anarchy and discord.
keeping it real
LA, CA USA - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 00:36:27 (PDT)
Big Chick: "A surfboard? ...that board came HIGH!" i think you know what i mean. it wasn't a bad criticism of the FIVE-O, just my observation.
There is no way, NO WAY, i'm watching this new shit. I would rather be a happy person than a pissed-off a-hole!
OTTO MANNIX
NYC, NY Andy Griffith - Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 23:51:29 (PDT)
Hey Otto, no apologies necessary brudda! I’m down with your suggestion, man, let’s not even dignify this new show by referring to it as & equating it with the genuine Hawaii Five-O.
Jack Lord IS Steve McGarrett - Accept no imitations
Big Chicken
Seattle, WA - Jack Is Lord! - Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 23:22:26 (PDT)
“My interpretation of McGarrett is that of an independent thinker … a man of reason and deep thought.
Well said, Hans. I don’t have anything I can cite but I do distinctly remember reading some 70’s critique that referred to the show as something like neo-colonialist and the embodiment of Nixon’s ‘I am the law’ ethos. I think Otto is right that some critics viewed the show in this light which resulted in them not giving Five-O its full due.
Big Chicken
Seattle, WA USA - Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 23:17:50 (PDT)
Opening and end credits music and credits from the new show. Things are different than in the old days; now there are the usual "everything but the kitchen sink" credits at the end.
http://fiveohomepage.com/2010-pilot/openingcreditsmusic.mp3
http://fiveohomepage.com/2010-pilot/endcreditsmusic.mp3
http://fiveohomepage.com/2010-pilot/credits.htm
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 21:44:38 (PDT)
I think all TV cop shows are intrinsically right-wing - or perhaps conservative is the better term - because the stories are told from the perspective of the authorities or the powers-that-be. We may see the criminals scheming or arguing amongst themselves but we rarely see what led the bad guys to turn to crime. In the absence of any background there is no sympathy built up for the perpetrators and a crime is just a crime - each one as equally inexcusable as the next. Although all cop shows seem to share this orientation, I'd also say that within that there is a spectrum that goes from leftish to rightish on which you could place an individual show. I always felt that Adam-12 was a relatively leftish show (which would have appalled its creator Jack Webb) because it showed the patrol cops as grunts who had to deal face-to-face with troublemakers on the street and often had to use reason to defuse situtations rather than just hauling every suspect off to the station. Officer Malloy was even anti-marriage and often gently mocked his younger partner Reed's dogmatic view of morality. H50 I can't say is leftish, but it can boast of some very interesting episodes in which the bad guys are allowed to attain some sort of anti-hero appeal or to generate a considerable amount of pathos. For example, one of my all-time favorite episodes - Three Dead Cows at Makapu - features a bad guy played by Ed Flanders who wants to commit the most horrible crime of perhaps the entire series and yet he's given enough screen time to explain the principles on which he's based his decision to do it. Against all odds - and thanks to good acting & a a good script - the character becomes tragic but not easy to hate and maintains his humanity.
Maxine
Brooklyn, NY - Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 21:40:05 (PDT)
I'm starting to overexpose on this site, sorry for that, but i must say how great it is to know that there are others out there! I feel like i... am... not... alone, HA HA!!! Too bad my bro is not with us anymore and thus will never know that we weren't the only ones!!!
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NYC, NY Vic Morrow - Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 16:06:59 (PDT)
Good idea, Otto! "Hawaii Five-0" it is, was, and always shall be!
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 16:01:25 (PDT)
To H5O FOREVER,
I agree with you. It is the ONE AND ONLY. So how about we just call it HAWAII FIVE-O and NOT acknowledge this new thing? Whichever you choose, we know where we stand, and we stand STRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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NYC, NY Barbara Luna - Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 15:57:01 (PDT)
Re: "What were those Lenkov jerks thinking? What WERE they thinking?" - - - Have we even determined that they are capable of thinking???
I agree. Thomas Gibson and Eric Close would have been excellent casting.
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 15:23:20 (PDT)
Hey, Otto! Why don't we call it "The One And Only Hawaii Five-0" ? That work for you? It works for me.
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 15:19:02 (PDT)
Mr. Mike, i would disagree with the great McGarrett on his point about guns, specifically "it happens nowhere else in the world."
The year "Bowling For Columbine" was released, Mr. Moore neglected to point out that America was FORTIETH on the list of countries' per capita death-by-firearm statistics. Brazil, Russia and South Africa were in the top five. I love Steve like a brother but he was wrong on that point.
(I don't mean to get political on here, we're all here for the FIVE-O)
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NYC, NY Milton Selzer - Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 14:40:28 (PDT)
OK OK, so i riled people up with the 'right-wing' comment, but coming from me, that's not an insult. I love the original Five-O. I remember seeing the Vashon Trilogy when it first aired. My brother and i could barely handle the week-long wait for the second and third parts.
I see a BAD review of the new one has been posted. On the twentieth i plan to pop in TEN THOUSAND DIAMONDS AND A HEART and watch that during the new show time-slot. Tim O'Connor's performance is the best. The new show will not be seen on my TV. And please let's not refer to the original as '1.0'.
Sorry if anyone was offended.
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NYC, NY Kwan Hi Lim - Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 14:29:09 (PDT)
Thanks KD MCG, your post gets to the heart of the fallacy of this whole remake/reboot cottage industry. Alex Oh sez it ain’t a remake, but the characters have the same names - BUT WAIT - they ain’t the same characters. I mean WTF?
And speaking of DJ, Collin Farrell spouted the same doublespeak about the Miami Vice flick, that his Sonny Crockett was not the same Crockett viewers watched on NBC. Which would seem to raise the existential question, who is Sonny Crockett?
Big Chicken
Seattle, WA US - Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 13:58:21 (PDT)
Speaking of MAD magazine, I hope they do a spoof on the new show! It's a shame they recently cut down to only 4 issues a year instead of once a month. Sign of the times.
Hans
Boston, MA USA - Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 13:40:39 (PDT)
@ Elizabeth: "...and totally socially inept with the finesse of a dung beetle..."
Simply hilarious, Elizabeth, I LOLed and ROFLed at the same
time!
Steve's Girl
Germany - Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 13:33:17 (PDT)
Since when does someone who looks like a gutter-level street thug have the distinction of using the name "Steve McGarrett"? Tatted, unshaven, wearing Goodwill rejects (and looking like his partner; unbathed for at least a month), smart-alec and totally socially inept with the finesse of a dung beetle. What, dear GOD were they thinking? "Danno" unable to knot a simple tie? Slovenly, sloppy and dim-witted to boot. Kono in a bikini? "Chin-Ho" coarse and out of sync. Good GOD. If they HAD to remake this, why not cast true to type? Thomas Gibson ("Criminal Minds"); the closest contemporary to Jack Lord. His presence, quiet determination, understated elegance, physical stature, impeccable wardrobe, self-respect and pride, his facial characteristics (including his hair), EVERYTHING. Closest to MacArthur? Eric Close ("Without a Trace"); same physical characteristics (including his facial responses), and his ability to meld well into situations. Seeing the two of them together on an episode recently of "Criminal Minds" only served to confirm this idea. What were those Lenkov jerks thinking?
What WERE they thinking?
It's like MAD magazine come to life; unfortunately for the legacy Jack left behind.
Let's cheer the MADness. Insulting. Denigrating. Disgusting.
Elizabeth M. Boggs
Bellingham, WA United States of America - Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 13:07:44 (PDT)
That's right, Hans. Remember how McGarrett used to whistle the theme song? Wow!
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My heart is in, HI - Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 13:03:28 (PDT)
I was sad to hear that Harold Gould passed away this week. The Vashon trilogy was one of my favorites.
RIP Mr Gould
Tony Tabacchi
Albuquerque, NM USA - Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 12:55:21 (PDT)
"If you can remember, the old show was taken off TV 40 years ago. It started more than 50 years ago"
Yup, I rememember the old black and white show back in 1960, before Dano, Steve's right hand man Barney only had one bullet! I remember when Steve got in trouble when one of the big shots up in Mount Pilot found out he allowed the town drunk to check himself into his own cell.
Hans
Boston, MA USA - Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 12:43:40 (PDT)
From a Candian interview:
``I remember the old show from when I was a kid,'' O'Loughlin says, in a quiet, measured tone that suggests his Steve McGarrett will be the strong, silent type - more David Caruso than Don Johnson. ``If you can remember, the old show was taken off TV 40 years ago. It started more than 50 years ago. There've been a lot of changes in television and the way we act, stylistically and with technology, and what we can do in terms of special effects and stunts. It's not a remake. We're not picking up where they left off. It's a complete reboot, and the characters are very different.''
Don Johnson????????????? umm Miami Vice as i stated not Five-O.
KD MCG
Alex o you are, v confusing - Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 12:20:48 (PDT)
>>> I always saw Steve as a principled idealist who believed in law and justice as high-minded concepts. I think those who view Five-O negatively due to it being ‘right-wing’, as Otto points out, have a wrong take on the show<<<
I agree Big Chicken about Steve, but who are these people? I’ve never heard a single person view it as a right-wing show until Otto mentioned it…
People I know who don’t like the show over the years have noted the outdated clothes they wore in the 70’s, the Elvis sideburns, the corny attempts at humor, the glaring continuity errors, the recycled plots and the sometimes predictable “saved at the last second” endings. I don’t agree with them, I think they are missing the best cop show ever by not being able to overlook a few flaws.
My interpretation of McGarrett is that of an independent thinker, bi-partisan, cross platform… a man of reason and deep thought. Not one of these blindly worshiping, Kool-aid drinking, right wing nuts or left wing lunatics that have infested today’s world… he's so much better than that...
Hans
Boston, MA USA - Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 11:48:43 (PDT)
I agree Mr. Mike. While an episode like the "Clock Struck Twelve" may have a Nixonian law n' order feel, the McGarrett who faced down those rioting cons in "The Box" and made a stand against unjust prison conditions could be viewed as a crusading liberal. McGarrett certainly goes beyond just enforcing the law in “Run, Johnny, Run,” standing up to the Navy who are pushing ‘his people’ (the native Hawaiian community) around.
I always saw Steve as a principled idealist who believed in law and justice as high-minded concepts. I think those who view Five-O negatively due to it being ‘right-wing’, as Otto points out, have a wrong take on the show.
Big Chicken
Seattle, WA USA - Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 11:08:03 (PDT)
James MacArthur's greetings to the fans at the Honolulu beach premiere last night, read to the crowd by Al Harrington:
http://tgif.staradvertiser.com/archives/8052
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 11:03:48 (PDT)
You want pictures from Sunset on the Beach, I got 'em:
http://fiveohomepage.com/sunsetonthebeach
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 10:17:50 (PDT)
McGarrett is hardly a right-wing crackpot. Consider, for example, his stand on guns in the 12th season episode "Use a Gun, Go to Hell." His comments would hardly earn him any friends in the NRA!
In this episode, he talks of the fifty to sixty million guns in use in America, "every one of them capable of death and destruction." To the mother of a little girl who is shot, he says "The guns are out there everywhere ... and all the pointless pain and suffering could be prevented." At the end, McGarrett launches into a rant: "Please don't give me that old cliché that 'Guns don't kill people, that only people kill people' ... that's nonsense, absolute nonsense! If there were no hand guns available out there, a hell of a lot of innocent people would still be alive. What is this love affair, what is this fascination Americans have for guns? It happens nowhere else in the world. When and where do the rights of you gun lovers stop and the rights of the public and the protection of life and limb begin?"
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 10:16:39 (PDT)
To Hans, i believe McGarrett voted for Nixon, but i could be wrong. At that time it was fashionable for hippies to carry Mao's little red book, but thankfully when the pot smoke cleared, we were all safe from Wofat's communist poison! And no, i didn't make the MySpace site. I'll check it out.
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NYC, NY Seth Takai - Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 10:01:48 (PDT)
Ringfire, a week before Kevin McCarthy and Harold Gould died, Morgan White (AG Walter Stewart, Season 1) passed away. So, there have already been three. Hopefully, this will be all for a very long time.
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My heart is in, HI - Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 09:58:23 (PDT)
Well they do say that deaths come in 3's. First Kevin McCarthy, now Harold Gould. Who's next?
ringfire211
Philadelphia, PA USA - Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 09:43:13 (PDT)
I have to agree with Hans, I'm not sure if it's the right wing thing or just the fact that modern audiences tend to think(unfairly) of Five-O as just some campy '70's detective show. Most of these people who either dis or dismiss the show have probably never seen it, or at least delved into it to any substantial degree.
Chris
Columbus, OH USA - Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 08:10:48 (PDT)
Al Harrington and Jimmy Borges as well as many of the others who were cast in supporting guest roles on the original Five-0 were entertainers from the Hawaiian Night Club Circuit. But I think Al and Jimmy are unsure if the new show will use that type of talent or just ship in actors from LA for those roles.
Dan
South Brunswick, NJ USA - Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 08:04:32 (PDT)
That shindig looks like it was a blast Mr. Mike. Seeing Al Harrington is a wonderful site, he'd look great on the new show. Any sign of Doug Mossman?
Hans
Boston, MA USA - Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 07:50:59 (PDT)
Ok i have just bought Season 7 on region 2 dvd. i would like to know where online i can buy seasons eight and nine. i'm not waiting untill next year for season 8.
Andrew
Andrew
Birmingham, UK - Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 07:32:36 (PDT)
“But we must accept the fact FIVE-O has a right-wing feel to it, which killed it in the eyes of mainstream media. F*ck the haters, 5-O is the SH*T!!!!”
That might be a bit of a stretch; I never got a “right-wing feel” from watching 5-O. There are times McGarrett comes off as very traditional and other times quite progressive… often times the show was cutting edge in dealing with hard core issues of the day (someone here mentioned the influence from All In The Family as the seasons went on) in other ways the show was behind the times as in the way they portrayed minorities. But I never felt any of it was intentionally politically slanted, rather we got a full spectrum of reality and the times.
I did enjoy your artwork Otto. It reminds me a lot of the Jack Lord Fan Club on myspace and I wonder are you the man behind that site? That man is a bloody genius…
http://www.myspace.com/jacklordfanclub
Hans
Boston, MA USA - Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 07:26:00 (PDT)
According to this morning's "Star-Advertiser," the screening was a huge success. Those present gave hearty applause and made enthusiastic remarks afterward. The article gave no breakdown by age or other demographic, although the faces seen in the live feed last night looked quite young (as in "Hawaii Five-what?"). Perhaps, those who were there can tell us the specifics??? Otherwise, we'll just have to tough it out for another week.
It was interesting to note, however, that Jimmy Borges, who was present along with Al Harrington, said he hoped the new show would use local talent and not just focus on the local scenery. Does that sound to you like the Hawaiian people have been left out of the production thus far? Doesn't it seem that using local talent would be a given? After all, film crews use local talent as extras and in small roles in other road productions - and have for years! It's good for publicity, and it's common courtesy to the location and citizens that makes the film crew welcome. Hop to it, CBS.
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at 05:37:14 (PDT)
@Pamela Thank you very much :-) @Kit I'll tell Kimo to get in contact with you. @OTTO Thank you and I'll be careful otherwise I'll try to get help at the Palace, it is their responsibility to keep all the tourists safe who come to the islands, at least that's what Governor Jameson always says, isn't it? @Elizabeth Thank you so much for this. It says all what I think but couldn't express so precisely.
Nadja
Berlin, - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 23:35:52 (PDT)
The cast of the new Five-O, finally on stage, just before they started showing the pilot:
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 23:26:09 (PDT)
Al Harrington on stage (finally). The woman behind him is one of Leonard Freeman's daughters.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 23:05:49 (PDT)
This show from the beach is dragging ON and ON (even the host of the live feed, Aloha-Bruce commented on this). Politicians are yapping away, and there is some marching band from the University of Hawaii with cheerleaders on stage now.
Curator from the JMac site sent a text a while ago:
Red carpet still going on. Crowd is HUGE. Easily 5 or 6 thousand. Mike and I are right in front. We've shaken hands with several. Spoke to DDK. Awfully nice guy. Fans are humming the song and being filmed. It's crazy but fun. Nobody on stage yet. Had a quick chat with Al Harrington.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 22:46:07 (PDT)
In the New York Times obituary for Harold Gould, Five-O is mentioned:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/14/arts/14gould.html
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 22:16:35 (PDT)
Elizabeth Boggs, I really appreciated you impassioned post. Thank you so much. You said it all, and much better than I could have.
Big Chicken
Seattle, WA - Praise The Lord, Jack Lord - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 22:15:45 (PDT)
I’m sure these new clowns couldn’t track down the Big Chick' either, Otto. That new pseudo-McGaret looks like he’ll be too busy working on his tan and getting a facial to do much police work.
Big Chicken
Seattle, WA - Keepin' Faith in the Lord, Jack Lord - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 22:13:33 (PDT)
Hi Mike,
I had sent this to you via email. I'm posting it in the guestbook per your instruction not having received a reply.
Though it is probably best this way so as to share with everyone....
My name is Paul Catania and I'm a big Hawaii 5-0 fan.
I've been making it a habit to cross reference what I'm seeing in the episodes with the very informative and entertaining plot synopses and point-of-interest trivia factoids on your 5-0 web page as they're released.
For the record, I've come across a couple of errors (that I haven't seen mentioned on the web site) in the way of continuity and perspective I'd like to bring to your attention.
The first occurs in the episode Secret Witness from the Sixth Season. Toward the end of the episode and in the Reynolds's apartment as they are being held hostage by the hitman, the camera focuses on the gun in his hand with a silencer on it. In the next frame he is holding the gun without the silencer.
The next instance—also regarding a silencer—occurs in The Bells Toll At Noon from the Ninth Season and is more of an error of perspective than continuity. On the top of the storage tank Kling is firing down on the cops with stock gun blasts sounding off despite the weapon having the silencer on it that was used earlier in the show when he assassinated Kellman.
I know this may come across like I'm some gun nut with a fetish for silencers but I assure you this is not the case.
These are inconsistencies that are bothersome if you happen to notice them. Along with the myriad, curious errors that you've mentioned, it really makes you wonder how glitches like that can get through the production process without being flagged and corrected. Is it that the production team was under such enormous pressure to get these episodes out in time that errors such as these are glossed-over or ignored?
I was especially disappointed to see that Jack Lord (with his reputation for being a stickler for detail) had directed this episode. Nonetheless, I've been enjoying the Ninth Season so far.
I have to say that it was strange seeing Don Knight play a whimpering bad guy and a victim of sorts at the end of The Bells Toll At Noon.
My favorite bad guy is Johnny Oporta in No Bottles, No Cans, No People from the Fourth Season. I can't get enough of that one. It's like a piece of candy; I can watch it over and over. It's like a comic book characterization become real with a kind of exaggerated, comedic campiness that you'd see in an old Batman episode.
I get a kick out of how Al Harrington lavishes the same kind of intense attention on Oporta (his boss) in this episode as he does on McGarrett in other episodes when he's playing Ben Kokua. Observe the intensity he watches them with as he listens, learns and seems to hang on their every word.
It saddens me to know that the Ninth or Tenth season may be the beginning of the end. With Chin being killed off at the end of season 10 and Dan Williams leaving at the end of 11, there's not much left to work with. The writing is on the wall.
In my opinion, a sign of gradual dissolution was the lessening in the quality of the music. During the late '60s and early '70s, the music (and I'm not referring to the title composition which tends to annoy me because I've heard it so much) had a swinging edginess to it that mirrored the period, at times sounding much like Buddy Rich's Big Band or some jazzy and eclectic George Russell composition. For me, the soundtrack of this show had always been a major attraction and had excited me even as a youngster.
The music began to take on another character, especially noticeable from the beginning of the Ninth Season. Now the show is starting to take on the feel of a late '70s prime time soap opera; the music sounding like something from Charlie's Angels, Dynasty or Fantasy Island. Is it any wonder people were beginning to jump ship?
Just my 2¢....
Thanks for reading this and take care,
Paul
p.s....Thanks so much for providing your wonderful and informative web site!
Paul Catania
Boston, MA U.S.A. - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 22:10:04 (PDT)
excited to See new version
dfive0
Norwalk, CA - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 21:51:18 (PDT)
Al Harrington interviewed on hawaiinewsnow.com:
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 21:21:27 (PDT)
Shot of the crowd on the beach, taken from http://hawaiinewsnow.com at approx. 6:08 p.m. Honolulu time.
On the news they are talking about some pest invading the kona coffee crop on the Big Island. Sounds like one of the old shows!
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 21:16:23 (PDT)
Mike,
Thank you for the link to the H50 Facebook page. I just joined and the page is well done. Hope more people will join that page. Again, thanks for the link!
Jack
USA - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 20:56:05 (PDT)
More sad news. Harold Gould also passed away on September 11. Hawaii Five O fans know him as Honore Vashon in The V for Vashon triolgy and in The Case against McGarrett.
Dean
Vernon Hills, IL USA - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 20:07:18 (PDT)
I am glad Hawaii Five 0 is back. I grew up watching the oringal. I have a friend who is looking forwward to it too. She has a crush on Alex who plays Steve.suzi6
SUZI PHILLIPS
CONCORD, CA United States - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 19:59:23 (PDT)
Elizabeth M. Boggs@ THANK YOU!
Well said ! You brought tears to my eyes!
Pamela
- Monday, September 13, 2010 at 19:48:32 (PDT)
CHRIS, i feel you brudda. Kevin's performance in FULL FATHOM FIVE is one of the greatest i've ever seen. It's indescribable. But we must accept the fact FIVE-O has a right-wing feel to it, which killed it in the eyes of mainstream media. F*ck the haters, 5-O is the SH*T!!!!
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NYC, NY Robert Luck - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 19:35:15 (PDT)
Two FIve-O guest actors die within a week, yet Five-O isn't mentioned in either of the articles I read about these men. The show continues to get no love from the press. I Dream of Jeannie and The Golden Girls but no Five-O? Come on, people!
Chris
Columbus, OH USA - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 19:25:56 (PDT)
Just texted from the beach (from JMac's WWW site Curator):
I just won a limited edition tee-shirt by being the only person in the crowd with my passport in my possession
This place is insane. There are well over 800 people here -- at the least. Some are already numbering the crowd in the thousands. We're right in the very front, pretty much hemmed in by people and up against the fence, so hard to judge better than that but it's a huge crowd and the festivites are still more than an hour away. The pre-show starts in about 45 minutes.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 19:23:51 (PDT)
NADJA,
Safe travels, and say hello to the gang when you get back to FIVE-O country! Watch out for the Vashons!!!
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NYC, NY Harry Endo - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 19:17:39 (PDT)
Excellent editorial, Marie. You said it perfectly! Mahalo!
Reply ELIZABETH MARIE THAUBERGER-BOGGS 05:58 PM on September 12, 2010 Did anyone catch David Letterman the other Thursday night? Commenting briefly about "it", he says; "We have 'CSI: Miami', now we have 'CSI: Hawaii'." Referring to the Lenkov franchises that sought to mutilate the memory of this show. Furthermore, in a studio of about 300 audience members (I have attended shows and fix it at about that number for a crammed audience), ONLY a few people cheered the new incarnation. Letterman's panning of the show was MUSIC to my ears. Additionally, the Sunday Seattle Times today listed the new season and hailed the Tom Selleck newbie, "Blue Bloods" as the true CBS centerpiece. The only reason they mentioned the new incarnation is because they had to list the night and airtime of 'it'. Critics at large have dismissed the new incarnarion, and a particularly seasoned critic mentioned that this is a prime example that this remake trend "has GOT to stop". My fiance' shares this opinion to the exclusion of all else. Furthermore, while a child, he had the opportunity to meet Jack Lord during a publicity appearance at the Boisie Rodeo during the height of "Stoney Burke". He has an autographed photo of Jack he treasures above all else. He is just as sick at heart as I am that these individuals chose to murder this show. I find it incomprehensible that people today have such a lacking of originality and lack of respect to honor the creation of someone else. There is such a crying need for fame and fortune at others' expense they feel they must steal it from others who have worked so hard to build something of great value and enduring quality. Yes, it is stolen by people with such little creative originality and with arrogant scorn for the product they seek to ruin. All for a fleeting sense of achievement. The question that remains is "WHY?" Even that cannot be answered, because the rationale of the thief is beyond the ideas of most of us, yet there are those who will buy into it, because they think that, because it is new, it must be better. I beg to differ, because the ideas, thoughts, principles, and integrity of the original cannot be usurped or copied. They fail to exist in those who seek to cheapen the original. I can understand that Hawaii needs capital and that it currently has a serious financial problem that can be remedied through tourist trade, yet this is no way to achieve it. It trades on the ruination of someone else's accomplishments and denigrates the value it represents through the tearing down of something good and great. There is no respect today for institutions and what they mean. All for financial gain and the attempting to rewrite social codes according to whim. Who is kidding WHOM? If you ACTUALLY think this IS "Hawaii-Five-O", I've got a Brooklyn Bridge up for sale.
Elizabeth M. Boggs
Bellingham, WA USA - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 19:04:37 (PDT)
Another picture from our man on the scene, Michael Timothy:
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 19:03:09 (PDT)
The last Vashon is gone:
http://tinyurl.com/36p62fl
Ironically, I watched "The Case Against McGarrett" just last week.
Sylvia
Pembroke Pines, FL USA - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 18:56:52 (PDT)
My question disappeared.
I asked, is tonight's premiere going to be 1 or 2 hours long?
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 18:40:12 (PDT)
More pictures from the site for the Five-O pilot premiere tonight in Honolulu, taken by the boss of JMac's WWW site:
(Pictures have all been moved to http://fiveohomepage.com/sunsetonthebeach)
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 18:31:17 (PDT)
Nadja,
Have a GREAT trip (I soooo envy you). Would you ask Kimo if his email has changed? I emailed him last week and haven't heard back. Not sure if he got it or not. I would hate to lose my local connection. Thanks!
Kit Leahy
Seattle, WA USA - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 16:51:50 (PDT)
Nadja, I bet all reviews after tonight's preview are going to be positive.Being this event in Hawaii , it is understable that people would love the show to stay on the air, so money can stay in the Island.For me,these new guys do a real disservice to Steve McGarrett and Dano. You cannot re-do a classic. Enjoy Hawaii Nadja!. I wish I could go too ! Maybe one day.
Pamela
- Monday, September 13, 2010 at 15:26:39 (PDT)
Live from the beach in Honolulu where the pilot will be shown ... from "the other Mr. Mike," Michael Timothy!
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 14:51:29 (PDT)
There is already a Five-O site on Facebook, it's called Hawaii Five-O Celebration.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Hawaii-Five-O-Celebration/113331868678710?ref=ts
You don't need to belong to Facebook to view the pages; you will need to join if you want to post anything.
By the way, here is URL for live feed from the pilot premiere on the beach tonight:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/aloha-bruce-live#utm_campaign=twitter
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 14:43:11 (PDT)
I'm really relieved that the true fans are back and I'm curious what'll happen after tonight's preview.
Thanks Otto for that wonderful report. Hilarious.
So, I'm starting to pack my bags. Next week I'm going over to Hawai'i again. Can I take a message for Kimo ;-) ?
Nadja
Berlin, - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 14:37:40 (PDT)
To Big H: Thanks for that, brudda. I think most of us fans posting on this site know the true spirit of McG and Co. and could, at the very least, supervise the storylines!
To Steve's Girl: Wie geht's mein liebchen? Thanks for your nice comment. I've been a fan my whole life. I've known 'Trekkies' who worshipped Star Trek, and i never got it, but Five-O is my thing, so i do understand the strange love one can feel for a damned tv show, ha ha!!! ...bis später.
To Mike Quigley: Thanks for making this website. It's a great resource, and not to mention OUTLET for fans of the show.
As for you, CHICK, don't worry, this new team doesn't stand a chance. Even at your pre-Love Boat obesity, these new punks are gonna be scratchin' their scalps trying to track you down!
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NYC, NY Che Fong - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 13:48:50 (PDT)
Hi Mike,
I've been visiting this site since 1997 when I first heard about the 1997 Hawaii 5-0 remake. Great fan of your site. Anyways, I was wondering if you are going to make a Facebook version of this site. The one I joined in Facebook has visitors only talking about Alex O'Loughlin and not the show. Thanks
Jack
USA - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 13:14:13 (PDT)
Too bad about K. McCarthy. Apparently he was good friends with the great, tragic actor Montgomery Clift, one of my favorite performers. He never made it as big as Clift, was more of a character actor, but it seems as if he always managed to find work, and apparently they remained friends up until Clift's untimely death.
Chris
Columbus, OH USA - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 12:14:26 (PDT)
Just finished watching Season 9 and agree with the multitude that there were some very good episodes (Nine Dragons, The Bell Tolls at Noon (in my book, the best episode), and Man in a Steel Frame. It seems to me that the producers blew the budget for the whole year on Nine Dragons and resorted to lots of stock shots and less than well-written scripts for the latter half of the season, assuming these shows were shown in order of how they were filmed. I found To Die in Paradise beyond belief...how two dimwit kidnappers could get a small boat from Oahu to the western coast (Na Pali) of Kauai, sleep on the beach, then get up and leave the life-jackets behind so everyone would know that they didn't die in a shipwreck, etc....also, there were a few shots of Na Pali coastline but most of the action was filmed on Oahu, near Waimanalo....you can see Rabbit Island in some of the background shots. And in Practical Jokes Can Kill You, the place where the chief villain is apprehanded is the same as for the dimwit kidnappers..they used the same trail along Waimanalo/Makapuu Point....for their shots. There were fewer continuity glitches overall. Rich Little was outstanding in Bell Tolls...he gave a wonderful performance and I loved the part at the very end when he surrenders to McGarrett and Co., then goes into a burst of Yankee Doodle Dandy...it's priceless! Great comedians sometimes can't stop themselves from being comedic...they can't turn it "off" and sometimes it cost thems their sanity, but that was a terrific ending. I await Season 10 and hope there are a few good episodes in there.
Elaine
Watertown, MA USA - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 11:15:08 (PDT)
I grew up with Five -O, born in 1965. I dont know about the new Hawaii five -O, I cant see young actors playing in these roles of "men" I watched as a youngter. I guess we will see.
Andy Bieber
myrtle beach,, sc USA - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 10:50:37 (PDT)
The only hope that 2.0 has of making it is to hire Otto as a screen writer....
Big H
RIP, HRH - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 09:56:10 (PDT)
Crews prepare for the premiere tonight of Five-O on the beach:
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=13141398
If you go to http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com there is a banner at the top of the page which suggests starting at 5 p.m. (Hawaii time) tonight there will be live coverage of the event...
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 08:45:53 (PDT)
Just in case you missed it last month, here's a great article, courtesy of Jon Burlingame on Morton Stevens - enjoy!...:
http://www.filmmusicsociety.org/news_events/features/2010/082010.html
Jon did the liner notes for the Film Score Monthly reissue of the original soundtrack as well.
You can buy the soundtrack here:
http://www.screenarchives.com/title_detail.cfm/ID/14350/HAWAII-FIVE-0/
You can also buy it from Intrada, another soundtrack dealer:
http://store.intrada.com/s.nl/it.A/id.6786/.f
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 08:27:51 (PDT)
Expanded version of Entertainment Tonight coverage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iqgVRRfC2g&feature=player_embedded
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 08:06:19 (PDT)
Adored Kevin McCarthy. He owned the screen every second he was on it. The IMDB dates his last credit at 2010. Nice to know that not only did he live a long life, but he was active to the end.
Barbara
Pittsburgh, PA USA - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 07:56:05 (PDT)
...As one who does "not" necessarily think Lord had alzheimers, I am responding to the post about wondering what Lord would think of those speculating on that which he tried to keep private.
In all honesty, he could care less. He and his wife have met God, face to face...and eternity. I'm sure the little afflictions that may or may not have effected the body he left behind, while on Earth, and any discussion there-of, are of no importance to the man, anymore.
On a personal note, they should never try to remake these shows. By nature, it just doesn't work.
Mark
Preston, CT USA - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 07:49:46 (PDT)
Though it has been said quite a few times, it can't be said
often enough:
Thank you, OTTO MANNIX, for expressing what a lot of us who
come to this site, feel!
Steve's Girl
Germany - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 07:29:03 (PDT)
So sad to see all our 5-0 friends leaving us... I wish i could take back time and bring them all back or revert back to 1969
robert rose jr
bridgewater, nj usa - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 07:25:28 (PDT)
any sites that show late life pics of jack lord? circa 1990's
robert rose jr
bridgewater, nj usa - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 06:26:07 (PDT)
goodbye Kevin you were a great film star.
bob rose jr
Bridgewater, NJ United States - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 06:10:26 (PDT)
Big Chicken escaped and got a job as news writer at a TV station in Minneapolis.
In all seriousness Gavin McCloud's Mary Tyler Moore Show costar Ed Asner was abe to do a guest spot on Five-0 during the same time he was on MTM. So I guess if the producers wanted Big Chicken back somthing could have been aranged by CBS or there was a time of year when Five-0 was shooting and MTM was in Hiatus.
Dan
South Brunswick, - Monday, September 13, 2010 at 01:52:44 (PDT)
Before this place gets taken over with comments about 2.0: When, eactly was Zulu fired? According to Eddie Sherman's account, the firing stemmed from an incident during filming. But I don't recall Zulu missing from any season 4 episodes. Did they fire him after wrapping season four? Or did he actually start season five before getting the boot?
Will
Omaha, NE USA - Sunday, September 12, 2010 at 22:00:48 (PDT)
Yeah, a few more episodes with the Big Chick’ woulda been big time, Otto. They shoulda brought me back like they did Honore Vashon, brudda
That "..Painted Daisies" is top notch, maybe the favorite of of my many faves from that groundbreaking first season. I’ll hafta go an pop in the DVD with “Last of the Great Paperhangers” in honor of the late Kevin McCarthy.
Big Chicken
Seattle, WA - Just back from Maui - Sunday, September 12, 2010 at 20:47:44 (PDT)
Kevin McCarthy was a great villain,sad to hear of his passing. so im just about done with season 9 and it seems we are all done with DA Manicote and officer Sandra Welles along with less and less of Doc and Che.
Joe
CT USA - Sunday, September 12, 2010 at 20:13:55 (PDT)
Big Chicken, i wish you hadn't got off this rock after "The Box", cos another few episodes with you woulda been the best. "...And They Painted Daisies on His Coffin" is better than most box office movies of 1968. Great Stuff.
RIP KEVIN McCARTHY, not only for your excellent performance in "Full Fathom Five", but for Invasion of the Body Snatchers, and many other great performances.
OTTO MANNIX
NYC, NY Diamond Head - Sunday, September 12, 2010 at 19:49:38 (PDT)
And thank you, Otto, for speakin' truth to them remake perpetrators & givin’ voice to the pain of those who live the Five-O . Yeah, certain things cannot be remade, and man, they shouldn't even try.
(Nevaaaa, Mistah McGarrrett. No Chance you'll ever lock me up again. No way………)
Big Chicken
Seattle, WA On the Lam from Steve & The Boys - Sunday, September 12, 2010 at 17:25:34 (PDT)
"Huh? I don't think so. The penthouse where the famous balcony is located was a private residence last time I asked. Maybe someone from the UK can phone this number and ask whether things have changed?"
Mike, I know someone who lives in Hawaii and she checked into whether she could go into the building and they told her what you said. It is privately owned and so---no.
keeping it real
LA, CA USA - Sunday, September 12, 2010 at 17:14:57 (PDT)
Thank you Pamela and Big Chicken. I think i'll just prejudge the new show, and never watch it! Certain things cannot be remade. Shatner was wrong: HIS show was just a TV show, but OURS is a way of life!
You'd have to feel the pain of the "DRAW ME A KILLER" guy to know what we feel right now!!!
(And Chick', i was THIS close to keeping you locked away on this rock for good, if only Mary Tyler Moore hadn't secreted you onto The Love Boat!)
OTTO MANNIX
NYC, NY The Big Island - Sunday, September 12, 2010 at 15:50:22 (PDT)
I wonder what would upset Jack more, the new 5-O show or people speculating publicly on his health issues he tried so hard to keep private?
Hans
Boston, MA USA - Sunday, September 12, 2010 at 15:11:18 (PDT)
Yeah Man!
Book em' Otto!
Big Chicken
Seattle, WA, Steve McGarrett Country - Sunday, September 12, 2010 at 15:03:55 (PDT)
R.I.P Kevin McCarthy. He played two of the best villains in their respective seasons! Victor Reese was a highlight of season 1 and Hunter R. Hickey a highlight of season 9! Fantastic performances - the way Reese recites Ariel by Shakespeare as the barrel with the woman's body sinks into the sea gives me chills every time! And H.R.H. was the best crook on the show since Lewis Avery Filer!
ringfire211
Philadelphia, PA USA - Sunday, September 12, 2010 at 15:01:12 (PDT)
OTTO, Very nice and Very true , LOL. Thanks!
Pamela
- Sunday, September 12, 2010 at 14:55:38 (PDT)
Kevin McCarthy has passed away at age 96. Five O fans remember him from Full Fathom Five (the first regular episode) and The last of the great paperhangers.
Dean
Vernon Hills, IL u - Sunday, September 12, 2010 at 14:40:06 (PDT)
Here is what i think of this new 'five-0':
http://ottomannixreport.blogspot.com/2010/09/takeover.html
OTTO MANNIX
NYC, - Sunday, September 12, 2010 at 14:14:06 (PDT)
Re: " I go to a tailor and say..."Make this suit look like the ones Jack Lord wore in seasons 1 and 2." - - - Good! There is no one more handsome than a man in a nicely tailored suit.
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Sunday, September 12, 2010 at 13:41:02 (PDT)
...Thanks for the links to the pics. I have to say (type), if Lord still looked that good after 6 years off the show...and at 66, then he did pretty well. I'd love to actualy watch the ET footage, if it exists.
What IDIOTS the people at CBS were for not greenlighting a reunion due to logistics.
As for any illness, both of my parents were misdiagnosed with alzheimers, when other medical reasons were causing confusion...and it took ME to get the docs to look into matters. If Lord was making coherant statements in a courtroom and elsewhere, in the mid to late 80's, barring definitive proof, I'm not prepared to come to any conclusions about his mental state near the end.
Back to 5-O, those trim, 60's suits looked alot better on everyone, than the 70's ones...or even current suits, if you ask me. Ask my wife, she laughs but I refuse to wear these modern, baggy legged, poorly constructed modern suits. I go to a tailor and say..."Make this suit look like the ones Jack Lord wore in seasons 1 and 2." lol
Mark
Preston, CT USA - Sunday, September 12, 2010 at 11:57:19 (PDT)
Who is "you"? This WWW site has nothing to do with broadcasting Five-O...
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Sunday, September 12, 2010 at 10:42:18 (PDT)
Will you (or a subsidiary) rerun the whole set of the
REAL (1968) Five-O series ?
afh
ny, ny us - Sunday, September 12, 2010 at 10:02:09 (PDT)
On the set of the new Five-O:
http://bit.ly/a3MIBG
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Sunday, September 12, 2010 at 07:01:02 (PDT)
Hawaii BMI: A look back:
http://bit.ly/9SVfyU
(A bit of humor ":-)
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Sunday, September 12, 2010 at 06:23:52 (PDT)
Huh? I don't think so. The penthouse where the famous balcony is located was a private residence last time I asked. Maybe someone from the UK can phone this number and ask whether things have changed?
http://bit.ly/bS1ixw
Book a room, Danno!
A remake of classic 70s cop show Hawaii Five-O is being screened this autumn but travellers will be pleased to know they can stay at the iconic hotel featured in the original's opening credits.
The Ilikai Hotel & Suites on Waikiki Beach has great views of the Pacific. Guests can choose from a selection of suites or **the penthouse featured in Hawaii Five-O**, which starred Jack Lord as Detective Steve McGarrett.
For info, call 0800 316 0191 or see www.bon-voyage.co.uk.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Sunday, September 12, 2010 at 06:13:28 (PDT)
Interview with Taryn Manning, who plays McGarrett's sister on the new show:
http://bit.ly/cPR07e
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Sunday, September 12, 2010 at 06:08:18 (PDT)
Story of an interesting Hawaii Five-O collectible:
http://bit.ly/aFHqlJ
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Sunday, September 12, 2010 at 06:03:19 (PDT)
Oh! And let me add this: I wonder whether such forms of senility are a natural part of passing from this life to the next. This world loses importance to us, yet we aren't yet ready to take on what comes next. Tales are legendary of someone near death seeing a parent or someone else they were especially close to in life, someone who has passed on before them. My grandmother reached out and said, "Daddy, you've come!" and was so very happy. It was as though he had come to escort her to heaven. Is it possible that all these things, which are thought of as illnesses, actually are a natural part of ending one's life on earth? Does that make sense? It's just something I wonder about, sometimes.
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Saturday, September 11, 2010 at 20:02:02 (PDT)
Re: "Nobody knows how his or her life will end" - - Perhaps, this is why Alzheimers is so upsetting to us. Not having control over one's mind surely must be one of the worst things that can happen to someone, especially to someone who has been so wonderfully and completely active in life.
My mother-in-law suffered a lesser form of senility (I despise the term "dementia." It denotes "crazy," and she was not crazy). She reverted to a form of childhood and often sang "Jesus Loves Me" as she went through her day. She absolutely delighted in playing Bingo - the delight of a child. I wouldn't mind my old age being like hers, but I become afraid at the thought that I could reach a point where I don't know who my husband and children are or where I am or how I spent my life.
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Saturday, September 11, 2010 at 19:55:24 (PDT)
Not that I'm in favour of Five-0 2.1. or will be a fan of that show, but since September 20 is not too far away, the discussion if Jack died of Alzheimer or not will at last make way for other topics.
Reading some posts, I got the impression that having Alzheimer is something dishonourable.
Let Jack rest in peace! Nobody knows who his or her life will end and would anybody like the idea that his or her cause of death will be discussed at great length years later?
Steve's Girl
Germany - Saturday, September 11, 2010 at 13:46:53 (PDT)
Re: "I think that happens to a lot of powerful men, they spend so much of their life in control that at the end there brains go soft from all those years of overloading it with information and responsibility."
I think so, myself. He simply wore himself out. If only Len had lived through the end of Five-0 or if only there had been other owners who could have shared the responsibilities that went along with keeping Five-0 alive. Jack gave his all to the show (literally).
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Saturday, September 11, 2010 at 13:18:54 (PDT)
Jack started to lose it in the early 90's and by the time he died he was gripped by full-blown "old-timer's" disease. Whenever someone is sick and those close to them say "oh he's fine" then you know they are really sick. That's exactly how Marie treated it in the Memories of 5-O show made in 1996. I don't see what the big deal is, in fact knowing Jack had old-timer's only makes me enjoy his work on 5-O even more. It fun to watch him walk around with brass balls on the show only to know he died feeble-minded at the end. I think that happens to a lot of powerful men, they spend so much of their life in control that at the end there brains go soft from all those years of overloading it with information and responsibility. They are loud and demanding men in their prime but at the end they just get softer and softer until all that is left is the look of dementia on their face. They are nothing like the men who had ruled the day in their prime. And at the end, it all for naught because they can't tell you their names or accomplishments over the years. So perhaps the moral is to revel in what you have done today because tomorrow you might not remember.
DeliWaiter
- Saturday, September 11, 2010 at 12:36:00 (PDT)
I noticed something in the newspaper clippings Mike posted. Even though they were dated circa mid-1980s, they said Jack was in his 50s. Since he was born in 1920, he would have been in his mid-60s at that time. In the ET pictures, he looked like he was in his mid-60s. After all, at that point, he no longer was wearing stage makeup. He looked like exactly what he was - a man of his years - and, as Nadja said, he looked very sane and serene.
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Saturday, September 11, 2010 at 08:15:07 (PDT)
I have one of Jack's checks. It came with a lithograph and three signed photos, which I won at the estate auction. It's dated May 2, 1989, and it reflects the same strong, bold penmanship that we saw on Five-0. No difference, at all!
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Saturday, September 11, 2010 at 05:02:56 (PDT)
May I add that he's looking very sane and serene in these pictures. There were also several letters and signed checks of him at ebay from around the late Eighties and you can see that his handwriting is still very straight by that time. You can find signs of Alzheimer's in the handwriting long before the person actually falls ill.
Nadja
Berlin, - Saturday, September 11, 2010 at 04:36:12 (PDT)
Steve's Girl is correct re: the three photos showing Jack emerging from the Music Box Theatre with a woman. Despite the caption, the woman in the pictures is Marie, Jack's wife.
I would also point out that one can leave public life for many reasons other than Alzheimer's. Jack left acting after "M Station: Hawaii" (1980) and turned to his art and to business and philanthropic activities, in which he would have been much less in the public eye. After having been bombarded by photographers at least since his Felix Leiter days, I would imagine he purposely avoided them post-M Station.
Furthermore, I don't blame him one bit! He had paid his dues and wanted to reclaim his personal life, which he did.
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Saturday, September 11, 2010 at 03:54:23 (PDT)
Here's a clip of the TARDIS dematerializing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRRHfIlavGw
Kristin
MA - Friday, September 10, 2010 at 23:36:58 (PDT)
I have never seen an episode of Dr. Who, so I have no idea what you are referring to.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Friday, September 10, 2010 at 22:50:10 (PDT)
Mr. Mike I have noticed when I am watching the episode Computer Killer that when McGarrett and Danno are in Palmer's house looking at the jewelry with Maureen Tillis name on it.Just when the show goes to a break the music that they use on that scene sounds like the TARDIS dematerializing from the British series Doctor Who. Have you or anyone else notice that when watching that scene.
Kristin
MA - Friday, September 10, 2010 at 22:48:48 (PDT)
@ Julie: "There are some 1980 Jack Lord photos around..."
The photos you are refering to by googling "Images Jack Lord 1982" don't show Jack with Margot Fonteyn but with his
wife Marie!!!
Steve's Girl
Germany - Friday, September 10, 2010 at 22:31:08 (PDT)
Lord, who was at the Hawaii Film Festival, was interviewed by Leonard Maltin in 1986 for Entertainment Tonight. You can see pictures of this plus several other post-Five-O articles and pictures in this directory:
http://fiveohomepage.com/revisited
Lord was talking about a Five-O movie in the mid-1980's, planning to shoot the whole thing in Hong Kong because of "union troubles" in Hawaii.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Friday, September 10, 2010 at 22:20:42 (PDT)
There are some post 1980 photos of Jack Lord around...
http://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/2504286/Archive-Photos (1982)
http://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/2504276/Archive-Photos (1982)
Also if you do a search through Google Images ("Jack Lord" 1982) you will find some more photos from Life Magazine (October 1982 - with Margot Fontayne) that are hosted by Google.
However it does seem that 1982 was the last time he appeared in public.
JulieS
Australia - Friday, September 10, 2010 at 20:33:49 (PDT)
...I don't believe Mr Lord could have been suffering from alzheimers for 19 years. 19 years?? C'mon. That aside, and back to my earlier post, I just can't believe that NO photos (not counting The Enquirer) of Lord exist, post 1980. You'd think one or two would have surfaced after his wife passed. I'm just curious as to how he aged.
Mark
Preston, CT USA - Friday, September 10, 2010 at 19:21:03 (PDT)
The entire Five-O theme, as re-recorded recently:
http://bit.ly/9rurLd
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Friday, September 10, 2010 at 18:13:56 (PDT)
Thanks for the Honeymoon is another of those show formulas that got recycled. Only because of Margo I have to put that on the bottom of any list. I recall it was a pretty good episode otherwise but her wretched character transended all the good... it was so far fetched that a man like McGarrett would fall for her...
Hans
Boston, MA USA - Friday, September 10, 2010 at 14:02:14 (PDT)
http://bit.ly/bXtRKB
That sure doesn't look like James...
Hans
Boston, MA USA - Friday, September 10, 2010 at 13:53:31 (PDT)
The commercials make it look stupid - like a cartoon. How could they ever think to make it better?! IMPOSSIBLE.
pat
northvale, nj usa - Friday, September 10, 2010 at 13:39:55 (PDT)
No, the "galop" name is something that Elaine made up.
I listened to the section in the Never-Never Affair again; it sounds "sort of like Five-O," but is not exactly the same.
But this excerpt in the See-Paris-And-Die Affair is very similar (if not exactly the same in several spots) to Five-O:
http://fiveohomepage.com/music/uncle.mp3
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Friday, September 10, 2010 at 11:42:42 (PDT)
"....a few phrases of what I term the Gallop Rhythym can be heard. Hawaii Five-O frequently used this musical phrase for numerous action sequences, such as McGarrett and his team running out of the palace ...."
Elaine , can you give us a specific season, episode and scene for this "gallop rhythm" scoring? Reason I ask, Mr. Mike has already named quite a number of pieces, such as the memories theme, military theme, etc, and I wonder if you're alluding to one of those......thanks, Big H
Big H
Raleigh, NC USA - Friday, September 10, 2010 at 11:17:12 (PDT)
Here it is - go get, boys & girls - the original Morton Stevens album for HAWAII FIVE-0 - and at a great price:
http://www.screenarchives.com/title_detail.cfm/ID/14350/HAWAII-FIVE-0/
Glenn
Orlando, FL USA - Friday, September 10, 2010 at 11:11:48 (PDT)
"Thanks For The Honeymoon on a best of list? As opposed to say, Face Of The Dragon?" -- "Honeymoon" is indeed one of the best episodes of season 5 (even though it's cribbed from the season 1 classic "Deathwatch") while "Dragon" was always one of my least favorite episodes - its foreign espionage angle is not engaging enough and the bubonic plague thing kinda drags the episode down.
ringfire211
Philadelphia, PA USA - Friday, September 10, 2010 at 10:54:37 (PDT)
Mr. Mike: Re: Music of Mort Stevens
In the Man From UNCLE, in the Never Never Affair, about 21 minutes into the episode, there is a chase scene where Napoleon or Ilya, can't remember which, is riding on the back of a Volkswagon beetle...just prior to this action, a few phrases of what I term the Gallop Rhythym can be heard. Hawaii Five-O frequently used this musical phrase for numerous action sequences, such as McGarrett and his team running out of the palace and down the steps to their cars, Kono sort of gets left behind. You're correct about the Love Affair, it was the wrong episode. But the gallop rhythym is heard numerous times in the See Paris and Die Affair.... Towards the end of Act 1 when Ilya attacks Lloyd Bochner, the same gallop theme is heard, but it is really obvious towards the end of ACT 4 when Napoleon and Ilya are in the helicopter chasing the bad guys in the moving van...lots of the same da--da-da--da-da-da--da-da-da, same orchestration, etc. There are a number of other episodes where the similaries are well...blatant, but I would have to go back through all the disc to find them again. Since I'm not a purest, I don't mind that Mort shared his music between the two series. I just wondered if anyone had ever made the same connection?
Great web site!
Elaine
Watertown, MA USA - Friday, September 10, 2010 at 10:16:07 (PDT)
Nice picture of "James MacArthur" accompanying that article!!
http://bit.ly/bXtRKB
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Friday, September 10, 2010 at 10:14:31 (PDT)
This is from the "Wood Craft" column of today's Star-Advertiser:
BOOK 'EM DANNO: With the new "Hawaii Five-0" show getting its premiere Monday at Sunset on the Beach, followed by the Sept. 20 CBS kickoff on television, I made contact with Jimmy MacArthur at his Palm Desert, Calif., residence to see what he thought of the modern version of the program. Jimmy was a regular on the old show, playing Danny Williams. Series star Jack Lord made his character even more widely known by saying, "Book 'em, Danno," at the end of episodes after they had nailed a criminal.
"I think it's going to be very good," Jimmy said of the new series. "A different kind of show. Why shouldn't it be? A new show 40 years later."
Asked if there was any chance the original Danno would be willing to appear in a guest role in the new program, he said: "There was some talk earlier but nothing ever came of it." That's unfortunate. ...
...AL HARRINGTON, a regular playing Ben Kokua on the old "Five-0" for four years of its 12-season run, said of the new show: "I think it's a blessing for Hawaii if Middle America buys into it like the old show with Steve McGarrett (as portrayed by Jack Lord).
I wish them luck as long as they convey us to be real people. There is always a fear they may not interpret us they way Leonard Freeman did. He had a great insight on Hawaii's culture and people." Freeman was the creator and producer of "Hawaii Five-0" and wrote the first episode.
He stressed having Hawaii's people in the show and in important roles, Al said. "It was a wonderful thing to be a part of," he said. Al grew up in the modest Halawa Housing area he jokingly calls the "Beverly Hills of Hawaii" and was an awesome running back for Punahou, class of '54, and a star at Stanford. He was drafted by Baltimore but decided to go on a church mission instead of continuing with football in the NFL. Besides his "Five-0" career, Al was a Waikiki headliner in big showrooms and a Punahou teacher. ...
Ed
Honolulu, HI USA - Friday, September 10, 2010 at 10:13:35 (PDT)
Before anybody has a heart attack and starts complaining that CBS is being stupid in not including James MacArthur in a future episode of the new show based on a statement attributed to JM in Ben Wood's column appearing in today's Star Advertiser, I'm pretty sure JM was misquoted. I believe he was speaking to Wood about a different idea which never materialized (the Bernero script which included him as an older Danno) and not this current incarnation of the show. I'm still investigating what went wrong here, but bottom line -- there IS still talk of JM making an appearance in a future episode of the new show. There's nothing concrete, but there is talk. There has definitely not been any kind of decision that he will NOT appear.
Curator, James MacArthur Web site
- Friday, September 10, 2010 at 10:00:24 (PDT)
At least two people I know are going to the premiere, and they are both from the U.S. Midwest! That's devotion. I'm sure lots of people from Oahu will be going.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Friday, September 10, 2010 at 09:08:03 (PDT)
I thought Diary of a Gun was outstanding.from the subject matterto the different people involved.I always have a soft spot for Beau van den Ecker's biggest part as well.
Joe Phenix
Cromwell, CT USA - Friday, September 10, 2010 at 08:55:45 (PDT)
Is anyone going over for the premiere airing of the remake on the 13th?
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Friday, September 10, 2010 at 07:22:38 (PDT)
Diary of a Gun is far from a worst ep on my list. I suspect that the gun control issue may influence peoples opinion of this ep more than production quality. I'm not anti gun and the story doesn't bother me at all. A classic guest part for Beau van den Ecker in this one.
Thanks For The Honeymoon on a best of list? As opposed to say, Face Of The Dragon? I just re-watched Face last night and I had forgotten how well done it is. One of the faster paced eps.
Anyway, taste is definitely subjective.
Rick
Newport Beach, CA USA - Friday, September 10, 2010 at 07:07:33 (PDT)
Thanks for the threads. I appreciate the effort these guys put into their lists, but Diary of a Gun, worst episode? As McG would say, No way! The plot is unlikely, but in an episode like that, the reality takes a backseat, IMO, to the ambition of the story. Gun is an episode of ideas, and as such ranks as one of my absolute favorites. Compare that to derivative nonsense such as How to Steal a Submarine, or The Waterfront Steal, or Love Thy Neighbor, Take His Wife, or Practical Jokes Can Kill You, or Flash of Color, Flash of Death, or Small Witness, Large Crime, or To Die in Paradise, or Little Girl Blue. Those shows would definitely make my list of all-time worst Five-Os, I could happily spend the rest of my life without seeing them again, whereas Diary of a Gun is an episode I plan to return to.
Chris
Columbus, OH USA - Friday, September 10, 2010 at 05:53:07 (PDT)
Interesting discussion at IMDB:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062568/board/thread/170359519
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062568/board/thread/170343987
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Thursday, September 09, 2010 at 22:18:42 (PDT)
Hey Mr. Mike,
Appreciated your comparison of Jack and Marlon Brando earlier. Very apropos, with Jack being a fellow grad of the Actors Studio. And like Brando, Keitel, and all the great method-men, there were moments when Jack was simply electric to watch.
Confronting that lawyer in '24 Karat Kill,' bustin’ in on the feds in the Pilot, or being restrained from plowing down the hospital hall to save Danno in 'King of the Hill,' these scenes from Five-O’s inaugural season were some of those electric moments where Jack really amped it up a few notches and showed those serious method acting chops. As Ringfire put it "Classic Early Jack Lord"
Don't think they ever gave Jack his due as far his acting prowess. I think these info-tainment shows should focus on the passionate intensity he brought to his portrayal of Steve McGarrett rather than speculating on his illness or how he spent his later years.
Thanks for this great, great site where we can gather to Praise The Lord.......
Big Chicken
Seattle, WA Steve McGarrett Country - Thursday, September 09, 2010 at 19:57:15 (PDT)
The question of James MacArthur's recent health was discussed in a post by the boss of his WWW site a few months ago:
http://fiveohomepage.com/gbarchived/gbjun10.htm
Specifically, Saturday, June 12, 2010 at 08:43:27 AM
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Thursday, September 09, 2010 at 17:54:42 (PDT)
Good, Mike. It's been so long since I've seen the former version, and the screens change so quickly that it's easy to miss. I nearly missed it this time and had to watch it again to make sure I'd really seen it. Just so long as they give "our boy" his due.
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Thursday, September 09, 2010 at 17:35:40 (PDT)
Can anyone fill me in on the health of Danno ? He looks so slim and not his robust healthy self that Ive seen on the golf course?!
robert rose jr
Bridgewater, NJ United States - Thursday, September 09, 2010 at 16:46:42 (PDT)
But the original version of these titles also said "Based on the television series 'Hawaii Five-O' created by Leonard Freeman":
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Thursday, September 09, 2010 at 16:02:52 (PDT)
Good! They've got the theme right. The graphics emphasize the people and not the violence. AND, BEST OF ALL (YES, I'M SCREAMING, MIKE), they said, "Based on 'Hawaii Five-0' created by Leonard Freeman." Now, that I can live with. If they do the show, itself, in the same vein, it just might be acceptable. We'll just have to wait and see. Maybe we'll get some information after the premiere is shown in Honolulu on the 13th.
Will, I don't think the TV movie magazines (for lack of a better term) share our respect for Jack. Instead of focusing on his last illness(es), why don't they focus on all that he managed to achieve during the 12 years of Five-0? In my opinion, he wore himself out, keeping the series alive after Len died, but that is the work he wanted to do, and he did it very well.
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Thursday, September 09, 2010 at 15:43:28 (PDT)
H50 1.0 FOREVER:
I certainly mean no disrespect to the late Mr. Lord.
I just think it's interesting that even when people will acknowledge that Lord had presented symptoms consistent with some form of dementia, Alzheimer's or not, and then come up with some alternative explanation. It's not the dementia-like symptoms he may have exhibited, but rather the idea that those symptoms were the result of Alzheimer's.
Personally, I think what seems to have happened with Lord was terrible thing, especially for his wife. But I don't see how the idea it was arthritis medication rather than Alzheimer's makes it somehow more palatable.
Will
Omaha, NE USA - Thursday, September 09, 2010 at 15:23:31 (PDT)
Revised main title for the new pilot, with "real" music:
http://bit.ly/d0owTc
Does anyone else think the stereo mix for this revised theme sounds kind of echo-y? Maybe they should have recorded it in mono... ":-/
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Thursday, September 09, 2010 at 13:32:53 (PDT)
Aaah, thanks KD. You live and learn ;-)
Nadja
Berlin, - Thursday, September 09, 2010 at 11:23:22 (PDT)
Nadja-it is Dennis Chun-son of the late Kam Fong. Saw the Inside edition vignette and frankly nothing new; i thought the verification would be from a Dr. or somebody. I am sure Jack had some memory issues.
KD MCG
book, 'em MCG - Thursday, September 09, 2010 at 11:12:16 (PDT)
Yes, on the far left it's Moe Keale. I don't know the guy in the middle. I just watched it again and that Sharon Farrell is really annoying. Why did nobody tell her the cue cards were for her, actually ;-)
Nadja
Berlin, - Thursday, September 09, 2010 at 11:06:58 (PDT)
Ok...now I am suffering from Alzheimers....who are the two men with Harry Endo at the end of the INSIDE EDITION clip??....is that Truck on the far left??
Big H
Raleigh, NC USA - Thursday, September 09, 2010 at 10:19:29 (PDT)
Kit, according to an actor who was in the late 11th season show A Very Personal Matter, "Jack Lord never memorized his lines. He had grips holding giant cue cards for him to read ... which is why you will notice him always looking off camera during the takes." I don't see why this is such a big deal. After all, Marlon Brando was famous for reading his lines off cue cards, and even used a hearing aid-like device which he wore as part of his costume while filming The Formula to have some assistant manually feed him the lines prior to him saying them.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Thursday, September 09, 2010 at 07:58:48 (PDT)
Kit Leahy:
What was it like for you to work on the show and what was Jack and James MacArthur like as co-workers?
As someone who worked in television for a long time starting in the 1990's, I'm interested in your experiences from the days when tv had a higher quality to it than it does now.
Rainbow Warrior
New York, NY USA - Thursday, September 09, 2010 at 07:28:48 (PDT)
Thanks Mr. Mike for the links.
Referring to the Alzheimer's discussion: It's always the same, if there's nothing to report about someone the so-called friends throw their weight around pretending they know something. I always had my doubts about Eddie Sherman and Sharon Farrell?...No comment.
My grandma had Rheumatoid Arthritis, she spent most of her last years in bed because it was very difficult for her to get up and she died of a heart failure because of the side effects of the medication.
I think that's what happened with JL. Just my two cents...
Nadja
Berlin, - Thursday, September 09, 2010 at 00:45:48 (PDT)
Inside Edition link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbeBO-sdNSo
The original broadcast of some of this material (over 10 years ago) is here: http://fiveohomepage.com/video/marielord.MP4
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Wednesday, September 08, 2010 at 21:05:05 (PDT)
watch for me in the new series....formerly "Tommy" "a sentence to steal"
stephen arruda
dallas, tx usa - Wednesday, September 08, 2010 at 20:34:36 (PDT)
My father had "Alzheimer's disease" (he died in 1989), and at the time, I was told that you cannot 100% prove that a person had this condition without taking their brain after they die, slicing it up with some machine like you use in a delicatessen, and then studying the results under a microscope to detect certain "patterns." I don't think this was done with Lord; as far as I am aware, he was cremated and his ashes scattered in the ocean.
That's the way it was 20 years ago; I don't know if methods of detection of this disease have advanced since then. It is quite possible that what appears to be "Alzheimer's" is actually something else, and just because someone wants to cover up what is going on, as been suggested with Mrs. Lord, does not necessarily mean that it is "Alzheimer's" either.
My aunt, who lived to be well over 90 years old, was very forgetful in her rest home, but no one ever said that she had "Alzheimer's disease."
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Wednesday, September 08, 2010 at 19:25:14 (PDT)
How is it speaking ill of the dead to say that he had Alzheimer's? A lot of good people develop this horrible disease, and it has absolutely nothing to do with a lack of character.
Chris
Columbus, OH USA - Wednesday, September 08, 2010 at 19:06:32 (PDT)
H50 Forever - I took the information from Elaine's post about the Inside Edition story. If he did indeed suffer from Alzheimer's Disease for about 19 years that would make it 1979 when the first signs of it started to show.
JulieS
Australia - Wednesday, September 08, 2010 at 18:57:01 (PDT)
Elaine, regarding the issue of Morton Stevens cribbing music from his UNCLE scores for Five-O, can you provide some other examples? I watched The Never-Never Affair, which is co-composed by Stevens and Jerry Goldsmith. There is relatively little music in this episode, and while there is one sequence near the beginning which has this fast-moving piano ostinato that is vaguely reminiscent of some sequence on Five-O, there is nothing in this score that was reused on Five-O. As far as The Love Affair is concerned, this score was composed by Walter Scharf.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Wednesday, September 08, 2010 at 18:49:51 (PDT)
Mr. Mike.
Thanks - you rock.
KD
MCG, thanks again Mr. Mike - Wednesday, September 08, 2010 at 18:09:51 (PDT)
I too just received an email today from Amazon informing me of my refund. The reason given was a billing error. Maybe the price they charged me at the time was more than the going price on the release date. I would have to go back in time and review the product page price listing to be certain!
Barbara
Pittsburgh, PA USA - Wednesday, September 08, 2010 at 18:07:44 (PDT)
It's related to speaking ill of the dead, Will. It's just not a very nice thing to do, whether the statements are true or not. In this case, no one knows whether the statements are true. Let's please remember Jack as we "knew" him. As much good as he did, bringing enjoyment to us and providing for the people of Hawai`i in his will, it's the least we can do in his memory.
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Wednesday, September 08, 2010 at 17:27:28 (PDT)
Re: Comments about Jack's loss of memory while still filming the show and his having to use cue cards
I worked on the show seasons 8 thru 11. During that time I never saw Jack use cue cards nor was there any rumor or evidence of memory loss. I left the Islands just before they began filming season 12. If there was evident memory lapses it had to be the last season of the show.
Kit Leahy
Seattle, WA USA - Wednesday, September 08, 2010 at 14:54:37 (PDT)
RE: Jack Lord and Alzheimer's disease.
Will someone please explain why the subject of whether Lord did (or didn't) suffer from Alzheimer's disease is such a bone of contention around fandom? People seem ready to jump through all kinds of hoops in order to convince themselves that he didn't have Alzheimer's.
Alzheimer’s is the most common form of dementia and affects millions of people, so there's certainly no reason why Lord could not have developed it. And just because his wife said he didn't have it doesn't mean he didn't. She (understandably) had an interest in protecting his privacy.
In any event, the weight of the circumstantial evidence indicates that Lord suffered from some form of dementia, Alzheimer's or not:
• Kam Fong was quoted in the "Honolulu Advertiser" that "it was widely known that Lord had Alzheimer's disease" (January 22, 1998, linked on this site ).
• Season 12 actor Sharon Farrell has mentioned Lord's reliance on cue cards and occasional forgetfulness.
• Eddie Sherman recalled an instance consistent with dementia (“obvious mental deterioration”) while sitting with Lord in his car (article also linked on this site).
Ultimately, of course this is all a private matter and should have nothing to do with anyone's enjoyment of Hawaii Five-O. But if he did have Alzheimer’s, so be it.
Will
Omaha, NE USA - Wednesday, September 08, 2010 at 14:42:12 (PDT)
Taryn Manning, who plays McGarrett's sister on the show, says that all of this week on Entertainment Tonight, there will be segments on the new Five-O.
As far as the Inside Edition clip is concerned, I am told that it will be on YouTube sometime soon, maybe in the next 24 hours.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, ABC - Wednesday, September 08, 2010 at 14:26:02 (PDT)
Does anyone have a recording of the inside edition please?
KD MCG
I, am MCG - Wednesday, September 08, 2010 at 12:34:27 (PDT)
RE: Morton Stevens & U.N.C.L.E.
Film Score Monthly has released four volumes of the original MFU TV scores. Order info and sound samples are in the link below. These are limited editions, so get 'em while you can:
http://tinyurl.com/2d4ezl6
Steven
Miami, FL USA - Wednesday, September 08, 2010 at 12:17:01 (PDT)
I got the same e-mail from Amazon. Very unexpected, but what the heck, every little bit helps. I already have enough saved in my account there for season 10.
Yankee4Life
- Wednesday, September 08, 2010 at 10:58:21 (PDT)
I have MFU but have yet to work my way all the way through Season 1 so have not heard all of Stevens' scores there, but I would be inclined to believe that while the music evokes Five-O (or perhaps the reverse since Five-O came later) it is most likely not a direct lift. Even if it were very, very close, however, as long as it was recorded fresh for Five-O, and not a library track, under the practices of the day I am reasonably sure it would have been considered a new score.
If you want a blatant lift, listen to Don B. Ray's "island paradise" scene shifting cue which made its debut in S3's "Paniolo" and is used extensively throughout S3, 4 and 5. (One of its most distinctive uses in my mind was the scene in "The Payoff" when Toomey is looking at the postcard Vince sent from Hawaii which dissolves into a shot of the hotel itself.) Next, watch just about any third season episode of Gilligan's Island. Ray's use of his earlier cue from GI is, dare I say, Horner-esque.
I don't have the DVD's but IMDB indicates Ray was never credited with a score for GI, but if you listen to the third season shows, his influence is rampant. Just sayin'...
Will
Washington, DC USA - Wednesday, September 08, 2010 at 10:44:38 (PDT)
I just got an email for a refund also from amazon.
Stephen R. Dunn
Burt, NY USA - Wednesday, September 08, 2010 at 10:03:57 (PDT)
"Last night (9/6/10) on Inside Edition, the rumors about Jack Lord having alzheimers was verified."
HOW was it verified, and by whom??? An INSIDE EDITION scoop?? Please......
Big H
Raleigh, NC USA - Wednesday, September 08, 2010 at 09:58:32 (PDT)
I just got a message from Amazon telling me I'm getting some money back because they lowered the price on season nine, even though the DVD was mailed to me over a month ago. I knew they offered a reduction in price if they lowered the cost before actually shipping an item, but after? That's never happened to me before. Anybody else have the same experience? Maybe I should ask for a partial refund for seasons 1-8 now that they are being listed in the 16-28 dollar range! I figure Amazon owes me around a hundred dollars.
Chris
Columbus, OH USA - Wednesday, September 08, 2010 at 09:51:23 (PDT)
Re: Julie's statement, "Since Jack Lord died in 1998, he would have been in the early stages of Alzheimer's Disease during the last season of the show." - - -
How do you reach this conclusion? Is it set in stone that a man who is ill in 1998 must have been ill in 1979? Marie said Jack did NOT have Alzheimer's. Karen Rhodes wrote that medication prescribed for rheumatoid arthritis can create symptoms similar to those of Alzheimer's. Jack had congestive heart failure; therefore, if his heart were not pumping enough blood to his brain, that would also cause confusion and disorientation. Finally, Jack's doctor said - on the death certificate, even - that Jack died of congestive heart failure. Period!
Jack gave so much enjoyment to all of us, and he and Marie continue to give generously through the financial legacy they left. We can ask no more of such a fine couple and have no right to find fault with them. Rather, we should be busy trying to keep our own lives in order, lest we be accused of suffering from a case of sour grapes.
Rest in peace, Jack and Marie. Ya done good, and we are most grateful for all you've given to us. Mahalo nui loa. Aloha.
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Wednesday, September 08, 2010 at 09:38:44 (PDT)
RE: Music of Mort Stevens....I have watched all of season 1 of the MAN FROM UNCLE and there is absoultely no doubt in my mind that Mort copied some of his MFU music and used it on HFO. I am a musician as well as a fan and there are some things that you can't disguise. The music that supports the action sequences, particularly chase scenes, is identical for both series. Back in the mid-sixties when the MAN FROM UNCLE was first being broadcast, Mort supplied most of the soundtrack for the series....while Jerry Goldsmith did the main theme title that became a solo hit...Check out the various episodes of the MFU, particularly The Never-Never Affair and The Love Affair from 1965. If anyone out there would like to corroborate this, please do so. Sam Rolfe, who produced MFU and Len Freeman may have been associates or friends or whatever....I'm sure most people also know that Jack Lord starred in an episode of the Man From Uncle, he played a Thrush defector, Feros Mandor...or something like that whom Napoleon Solo was forced to protect from THRUSH's vendetta.... Jack looked terrific in that episode, by the way....he wore cool sunglasses and dressed in a white turtleneck and navy blue blazer....ah....the good old days!
Elaine
Watertown, MA USA - Wednesday, September 08, 2010 at 06:19:05 (PDT)
Jeff Herman has revised his review of the pilot episode. See http://fiveohomepage.com/5-0-2010.htm (about halfway down the page).
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, CB - Tuesday, September 07, 2010 at 23:56:39 (PDT)
There is a real poop storm in the H50FC (Hawaii Five-O Fan Club) group at Yahoo. Some newbie stormed into the group and said some very nasty things. With few exceptions, it is much worse than anything that's ever happened around here!
If you want to check this out and you are not already a member of the group, you will have to subscribe by using this link:
http://groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/h50fc
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Tuesday, September 07, 2010 at 23:19:28 (PDT)
Hmmm, that was quick:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n14_FLkPEhw
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Tuesday, September 07, 2010 at 23:15:59 (PDT)
Thanks for the link, but that is only the first of two segments on Five-O, and they haven't included the second one. In the second one, the ET guy was giving the cast members a quiz about the old Five-O.
I am super pissed, because I had set up my DVD recorder (which I have not programmed that much) to record this show, and while it was on, I could see the show on the monitor, which suggested that the recorder was recording. But later on, when I looked at the DVD, there was NOTHING there.
After this I made a test with another show, which recorded fine (even though it was some moronic reality/game show called Wipeout), but then when I tried to finalize that disc, it wouldn't finish the job and gave me some error ... so perhaps the disc was faulty.
If anyone has recorded this show, please post it on YouTube! I'm sure some Alex fan will do this if he was participating in this quiz.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Tuesday, September 07, 2010 at 22:11:24 (PDT)
Here's the link to the Entertainment Tonight story on the new show...
http://www.etonline.com/news/2010/09/90794/index.html
I was able to watch here in Australia so it should pose no problems to other countries.
JulieS
Australia - Tuesday, September 07, 2010 at 21:41:34 (PDT)
WARNING: REALLY BIG SPOILERS HERE...
[from upcoming TV Guide issue]
This time around, there'll be greater development of the crime-solvers' personal lives. "In addition to the closed-ended crime stories, there's going to be a great mystery unfolding over the course of the first season: What happened to Steve McGarrett's parents?" says executive producer Peter Lenkov. After McGarrett's life is uprooted in the premiere by the evil Hesse brothers, he will reflect on the relationship he had with Mom and Dad. "Steve really wishes he had been closer to his father," says O'Loughlin. As for Mom, young Steve and his kid sister, Mary Ann (Taryn Manning), were told she died in a car crash before their father shipped them off to the mainland. A mid-season "prequel event" episode, says Lenkov, will flash back to Steve and Mary Ann's father, John McGarrett (William Sadler), on a dangerous, life-altering assignment. But well before that, Steve will find clues to his mother's fate in his dad's metal box. Inside, teases Lenkov, is "a key, a Dictaphone and a thick billfold, but no one knows yet what's on the lower layer." Prodded for more info, O'Loughlin playfully admonishes, "You're asking too many questions. I should have you assassinated."
By the end of the first season, the mystery surrounding McGarrett's mother will be resolved, but every character has a secret past waiting to be unlocked. The series will further explore the scandal that got Chin Ho kicked off the force, the complicated relationship between Danny, his daughter and his remarried ex-wife, and we'll get a peek into the off-work hours of Gov. Pat Jameson (24 First Lady Jean Smart), who'll appear in most episodes to keep McGarrett in check. Also watch for a reappearance of the pilot episode's villainous Victor Hesse, who Lenkov says "was working for an even bigger fish." All signs point to the eventual introduction of Wo Fat, an arch nemesis from the original series who terrorized Jack Lord's McGarrett on and off from the 1968 pilot up until he was finally imprisoned in the 1980 series finale.
==========
You know, I have to wonder, don't TV producers these days believe in keeping ANYTHING a secret?
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Tuesday, September 07, 2010 at 21:00:50 (PDT)
Since Jack Lord died in 1998, he would have been in the early stages of Alzheimer's Disease during the last season of the show. Not having seen the final season in years, I wonder if it had any affect on his performance.
Finished watching season 9 and the two best episodes I thought was "Nine Dragons" and "Blood Money is Hard to Wash". "Elegy in a Rain Forest" definitely had the most violent (gory) scene with McGarrett and Danny coming across the two bodies in the old bunker. This is also a good example of knowing what happened without having to actual see it portray as is the habit in a lot of TV shows and movies these days.
JulieS
Australia - Tuesday, September 07, 2010 at 20:47:10 (PDT)
To be fair, Elaine, I haven't heard music from "The Man From UNCLE" since the program aired, but I would be greatly surprised to learn that the same music was used on both that show and Five-0. In the first place, the two programs were developed and produced by different organizations. In the second place, they were aired on different networks. Please set me straight, if I am wrong, but I cannot imagine Leonard Freeman and CBS being willing to pay good money for music that already had been used on another show, shown on another network. The competition is just too great. If I had to make a guess, I would say you heard music on TMFU that made you think of Five-0 music, music from the same era, music setting the same mood, and music written by the same composers. Does anyone else know anything about this? I'm curious to know.
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Tuesday, September 07, 2010 at 16:58:58 (PDT)
Hey folks, I don't know if anyone is interested in this bit of trivia...it may have come up in previous postings, but I'm new to the site and haven't read all the previous comments.... But Mort Stevens, composer of HFO's theme and much of the series music, was a chief composer with Jerry Goldsmith of The MAN FROM UNCLE. My sister had given me Season 1 of the Man from Uncle and as I was watching it, the background music sounded, oh, so familiar! It was like watching HFO all over again. In fact, some of the same music from The Man From Uncle, was used in HFO! Has anybody else ever mentioned this? Jerry Goldsmith wrote the classic theme song for Man from Uncle, but Mort was instrumental in the providing music for the various action sequences...it is such a gas to watch an episode of the Man From Uncle and then HFO and hear the same music!
Elaine
Watertown,, MA USA - Tuesday, September 07, 2010 at 15:14:01 (PDT)
To make it clear, you can see the bandstand through the left window and then the camera goes through the front window and he is on the highway. Not that I'm fussy ;)
Nadja
Berlin, - Tuesday, September 07, 2010 at 14:25:52 (PDT)
Just watched "Target-a Cop". Funny thing, in one scene you can see Purdy in his car passing the bandstand at Iolani Palace on King Street and the next second he is already on Highway 1. And also very funny, Danny says "Pau" as he checks Purdy and the subs say "Oh". That confirms again that they write down what they hear for the subs.
Nadja
Berlin, - Tuesday, September 07, 2010 at 14:15:45 (PDT)
Interesting article about Nancy Kwan, with a brief mention of her participation in Five-O:
http://tinyurl.com/2eauuh7
Sylvia
Pembroke Pines, FL USA - Tuesday, September 07, 2010 at 13:37:19 (PDT)
Any way to see that clip or has it been uploaded? Marie knew Jack was a very proud man and hid it from the public as Jack would have wanted.
Jack was Hawaii Five-O. No remake (yes remake!) using the name can ever equal its success.
Book 'em
KD MCG
Rest, inq peace Bruddah - Tuesday, September 07, 2010 at 13:33:30 (PDT)
I also watched Inside Edition and was shocked a little that he had Alzheimers for so long. It is a horrible,horrible desease. My mother suffered with it for 8yrs. I am sure his wife Marie kept him protected from the public about this. I can understand. No one wants to be remembered for having this disease.
I miss Hawaii Five-0 !!! It was a great show & Jack was a great actor. It will never be the same!
Barbara
Kettering, Ohio USA - Tuesday, September 07, 2010 at 10:00:14 (PDT)
Last night (9/6/10) on Inside Edition, the rumors about Jack Lord having alzheimers was verified. I was very sorry to learn that he suffered with this insidious disease for the last 19 years or so of his life. He was a great actor, a wonderful artist and philanthropist...and although he was often crucified by the media and portrayed as an egotistical perfectionist, Hawaii Five-O became a classic because of his presence. No one else could have brought such energy and quality to the role of Steve McGarrett. It saddens me to know that he was so very ill all those years after Five-O ended its run.
When CBS showed clips of the new Five-O a little later that night, as the theme song played, I began to cry...for all the fans of the orginal show....you know what I'm talking about....
Jack, if you're listening, Mahalo and Aloha....
Elaine
Watertown, MA USA - Tuesday, September 07, 2010 at 09:22:29 (PDT)
I’m finding Season 9 much better than 7 and 8. It has 2 of the best episodes in Nine Dragons and Bell Tolls at Noon and another 2 excellent shows in Elegy in a Rainforest and Main in a Steel Frame right behind them.
The down side is at this point they are repeating themselves with the plots. Target a Cop is another Hookman, yet still a very good episode. Bell Tolls is like Cloth of Gold meets Hookman but Rich Little gives one of the best guest appearances of the 12 year run. I’m a sucker for his lines like “Cagney never said you dirty rat… but if he did…” and “you didn’t say… pretty please”.
From what I remember, 9 was the last great season, and then the show took a major dive in season 10 although I’m hoping to find some gems there too…
Hans
Boston, MA USA - Tuesday, September 07, 2010 at 09:01:25 (PDT)
There will also allegedly be a feature on Jack Lord on Inside Edition today (Monday, Sept. 6th), but from what I can make out, it looks like a rehash of something which they did about 10+ years ago.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Monday, September 06, 2010 at 16:59:00 (PDT)
Check out Entertainment Tonight tomorrow (Tues., Sept. 6th), it looks like the new Five-O will be getting some major coverage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGuGvKceXAI&feature=player_embedded
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Monday, September 06, 2010 at 15:23:42 (PDT)
The late great Stephen Boyd in 'Up The Rebels' ...it's one of my favorites. Very interesting old clip. Wow, people used to be a lot more civilized!
Rick
Newport Beach, CA USA - Monday, September 06, 2010 at 10:44:27 (PDT)
Somebody needs to tell the Cleveland critic that he confused A O'L's "Moonlight" with "Moonlighting," the classic (until they got the two leads romantically involved) 1980s ABC detective series with Cybil Shepard and Bruce Willis.
Sylvia
Pembroke Pines, FL USA - Monday, September 06, 2010 at 10:06:27 (PDT)
"Am I hooked? I just might be."
Another non-committal "declaration" by a wanting-to-be-hip critic who can easily jump back to the "against" camp if the new show tanks. God forbid should a critic just come out and boldly state that something actually *is* the best...such hyperbole! Take a stand, losers!
Steven
Miami, FL USA - Monday, September 06, 2010 at 09:47:43 (PDT)
A film clip from British Pathe hosted by Stephen Boyd, who is (hopefully soon on DVD) in season 10's opening show Up The Rebels:
http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=81961
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Monday, September 06, 2010 at 06:34:03 (PDT)
Another review,
"Hawaii Five-0" (10-11 p.m., CBS): The cast is as gorgeous as the scenery in this updating of the 1968-80 police drama. Alex O'Loughlin ("Moonlighting" and "Three Rivers") is the new Steve McGarrett. Daniel Dae Kim ("Lost") is Chin Ho Kelly. Scott Caan is "Danno" Williams. Grace Park is Kono. And the whole thing is set to a driving beat. But when the fast-paced retread slows down, it registers emotionally as a 0.
http://www.cleveland.com/tv-blog/index.ssf/2010/09/the_broadcast_networks_23_new_shows_at_a_glance.html
Cole Rollins
- Monday, September 06, 2010 at 01:51:25 (PDT)
Here is a review of the series that ran in today's Boston Globe. The tv critic is Matthew Gilbert.
"Remake of a classic". The concept: In this reboot of the 1968-1980 series, O'Loughlin's McGarrett is given carte blanche by the governor to start a task force. They try to clean up one of the most picturesque places on earth.
Am I hooked? I just might be. It is not original, obviously- not even the theme song. But it's slickly made action-adventure fun with sparky buddy banter, and it's gorgeous. Caan, son of James and the best thing about this summer's "Entourage", is the real star as Danno."
Alternate title: Hawaii Five-2.0 :) my smiley face.
Grade: A-
My two cents worth: Bottom line is there will never be another Hawaii Five-0, it was an original and a classic. The role of Steve McGarrett and Dan Williams as played by the late, great Jack Lord and James MacArthur were absolutely perfect in their respective roles. This new series is set in Hawaii, the characters' names are the same, but not the characters' traits. Take it for what it is worth. The Boston Globe critic was able to separate the original classic from the new series. He understands that they cannot be compared, and is telling the reader that the new series is entertaining. I will say I do not believe they need to use the phrase Book'em Danno. It is a little much. Unless they are just paying an homage to the original show in a humorous way.
Amy
Boston, , MA USA - Sunday, September 05, 2010 at 20:23:20 (PDT)
Comment on the new show from Ireland:
http://www.herald.ie/entertainment/tv-radio/theme-2324702.html
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Sunday, September 05, 2010 at 07:03:32 (PDT)
Comparison of the old and new Five-O on "The Insider." Includes some rare footage of Jack Lord on The Mike Douglas Show.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXS2yyBaqI8
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Saturday, September 04, 2010 at 22:24:37 (PDT)
A contributor to the Five-O discussion at the Internet Movie Database named alpha128 has produced a very interesting analysis of the office moves in Season 9. You can check it out here:
http://fiveohomepage.com/season9/offices.htm
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Saturday, September 04, 2010 at 22:18:15 (PDT)
Morgan White, who played the attorney general in half a dozen episodes of season one, passed away Thursday at the age of 86.
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=13101019
and
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/hawaiinews/20100904_actor_caught_kids_hearts_as_pogo_poge.html
Will Gray
Omaha, NE USA - Saturday, September 04, 2010 at 18:44:28 (PDT)
"Before he became so deadly serious, McGarrett was a big flirt, who had had more girlfriends than he could count - sort of TV's answer to James Bond..."
Well, Jack *was* the original Felix Leiter...so he must've learned something on "Dr. No." ;)
Steven
Miami, FL USA - Saturday, September 04, 2010 at 14:53:01 (PDT)
I agree with Hans, Hallmark did that with MAASH when they first started airing that series, and since this Five-O marathon is supposedly just a one time thing, why not show the complete episodes? Instead of repeating them, show them once in their entirety. From my POV, I have no reason to watch them on TV, I have the first season already, uncut and commercial free.
Chris
Columbus, OH USA - Saturday, September 04, 2010 at 13:41:54 (PDT)
That's correct, SG. It's politically incorrect. Even when Jack said it, it was considered vulgar.
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Saturday, September 04, 2010 at 10:28:36 (PDT)
It sure is nice to see season 1 on TV, I forgot how brilliant Big Chicken was... and Tommy Sands, what a legend... then Steve undercover as a criminal in Ways of Love... these episodes were as good as any...
What gets me is the failure to extend the show past an hour. OK, you want to jam 20 minutes of commercials in, we get that... why not make it 70 minutes? You show 3 in a row and it takes you perfectly to the half hour. What's wrong with that? Who would lose? The suits are so stuck in their ways, afraid to think out of the box...
Hans
Boston, MA USA - Saturday, September 04, 2010 at 09:57:41 (PDT)
@ H50 Forever "...(that word)..."
Is "that word" a no-no in today's reign of PC?
Please "educate" me...LOL.
Steve's Girl
Germany - Saturday, September 04, 2010 at 08:56:42 (PDT)
Google Hawaii Five-O or Hawaii Five-0
Currently my site is second in the list (even ahead of IMDB!).
Mr. Mike
Congrats Mr. Mike!!
Barbara
Chicago, IL USA - Saturday, September 04, 2010 at 08:36:29 (PDT)
I thought of an idea… instead of Grace Park as Kono, she could be Eve McGarrett, make her the boss and daughter of the late great Steve. Then make Alex O. Kono, or Kimo or better yet Frank and give him all the crappy jobs. Then mid season he could appear in just one episode as a totally different character, perhaps a villan. Heck, let him be Jonathan Kaye a time or 2 as well...
He could then disappear for half a season and come back out of nowhere as Frank again. It would show respect to the original spirit. They could also cake on Grace’s eye makeup to make her look more Caucasian as a wonderful tribute to the original!
Hans
Boston, MA USA - Saturday, September 04, 2010 at 05:39:30 (PDT)
And speaking of Barry, Maurice, Robin (and Barbara) - or at least the episode in which their music featured so prominently ("Number One With a Bullet," Season 11) -
Comparing the outtakes, which Mike posted a few weeks ago, to the scene as it appears in the episode, I prefer the outtakes. They are much better. LOL. The people in the cutting room need to put away their scissors and let McGarrett ask whether he looks [that word] and let Sally claim to have a hollow leg. After all, that's how people behave in real life. McGarrett had to be as tough as nails with the criminals, but you know he was a flirt with female witnesses and informers. We saw that in the pilot, when he dated Rosemary Quong (Nancy Kwan). Before he became so deadly serious, McGarrett was a big flirt, who had had more girlfriends than he could count - sort of TV's answer to James Bond (on multiple levels, too).
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Saturday, September 04, 2010 at 05:31:12 (PDT)
1000 pardons for Mr. Vulgar… perhaps he was just trying to fit it…
>>>“Looking at the promos of the new show, I see a program I wouldn't be particularly interested in watching no matter what it was called. So my choice is not to watch.”<<<
Bingo. Isn’t this what it all comes down to? If you don’t like the new show it’s because you think it sucks, bottom line, totally understandable. But is there anyone who doesn’t like the show who would turn around and love it if it were called CSI Hawaii and the characters were named Barry, Robin, Maurice and Barbara? I have a hard time believing they would…
Hans
Boston, MA USA - Saturday, September 04, 2010 at 05:13:12 (PDT)
"Another example of judgmental people around here convincing themselves to hate the new show before they saw it."
And you, Yankee4Life, are another example for judgemental people around here who want to convince people with a different opinion that they're wrong and how great the new show is.
Nadja
Berlin, - Saturday, September 04, 2010 at 00:41:24 (PDT)
Sorry Yankee4Life but I gotta side with our man Boris on this remake thing. Boris managed to articulate quite alot with his blunt & curt Harvey Keitelesque style post.
But that don’t mean we gots to disagree on everything. Namely —Lets Go Yanks! Seven in a row in the Race for 28!
Let’s all stay Yankees for Life and Keep our faith in the Lord.....Jack Lord
Amen, my brother
Big Chicken
Seattle, WA USA - Friday, September 03, 2010 at 23:27:22 (PDT)
Quote: "THIS NEW SHOW FIVE-OH IS A DISGRACE, PARK. IF YOU LIKE NEW SHOW YOU ARE AND IDIOT!"
This was by Hans Vulgar of Boston, Mass.
How nice! Another example of judgmental people around here convincing themselves to hate the new show before they saw it. Do these people know something that we don't know yet? Of course not. But it's never to early to jump on the hate wagon to bring something down that you haven't seen yet.
Why does he think this new show is a disgrace? Who knows? Who cares? Makes no sense at all without actually watching a few episodes to really decide.
Hey, I got new neighbors moving in across the street. I don't know them. Maybe I should just hate them right away and be done with it so I don't have to worry about talking to them and getting to know them. How's that sound Hans?
Yankee4Life
- Friday, September 03, 2010 at 22:36:58 (PDT)
Well James if you don't want to watch the new Five-O that is up to you and if you are basing your dislike of the show on promos and clips of the new series then you are mistaken. This show deserves a chance to succeed and I hope it does.
There is no way this new show can be exactly like the original one. No one is trying to pass it off like it is supposed to be.
But if you want to dismiss it right now, go ahead. I'm sure you can busy yourself with reality TV or something like that.
Yankee4Life
- Friday, September 03, 2010 at 22:27:28 (PDT)
Having watched the latest promos that Barbara posted about, it is interesting to see that AOL is the only one out of the guys who appears shirtless and Grace Park is only shown wearing a bikini - which makes me think the producers don't have much faith in these two actors other abilities.
As for how long this version of the show goes for - if it is a hit then I'd be surprised if it last five years or gets to the magical seventh season which a lot of TV shows end at. One thing for sure is that I don't see it going for 12 years like the original. I think AOL and probably Scott Caan will be eventually lured by the prospect of doing more film and they will both leave long before the 12 years is up.
JulieS
Australia - Friday, September 03, 2010 at 21:30:11 (PDT)
My sentiments echo those of Boris this new show is a slap in the face to the memory of Jack Lord there can be only one steve McGarret,I for one will not watch this garbage and I tell you this it is doomed to failure from the git-go no true Five-o fan will watch it. Leave it to Hollywood to screw the pooch everytime where they think there is a buck to be made thats what is wrong with television today it is not intertainment anymore its garbage and they are corrupting the minds of our young people with it.hollywood will take a classic movie like Airport and do five sequels to it or oather classics when they should leave them alone if they had any decency about them well I tell you this not one epesode of this will ever grace my television set and they could have had the decency to change the names of the main characters as well pisses me off big time.
James
Pittsburg, CA USA - Friday, September 03, 2010 at 20:03:41 (PDT)
Quite simple.
Google Hawaii Five-O or Hawaii Five-0
Currently my site is second in the list (even ahead of IMDB!).
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Friday, September 03, 2010 at 17:48:04 (PDT)
"IF YOU LIKE NEW SHOW YOU ARE AND IDIOT!" I'm guessing the irony of that sentence is completely lost on our appropriately named Mr. Vulgar. Where do you find these people, Mr. Mike, or I guess I should say, how do they find you?
Chris
Columbus, OH USA - Friday, September 03, 2010 at 16:50:09 (PDT)
"they should think of original shows, and not tamper with Classics"
True Dat, Connie. CBS be trifling with Steve McGarrett, an icon of Television law enforcement.
Jack Lord/Steve McGarrett: Accept No Imitations
Big Chicken
Seattle, WA USA - Friday, September 03, 2010 at 16:44:57 (PDT)
I think this revival is so needed! I am 41 from the US Virgin Islands and I can remember when Hawaii 5-0 first came to TV and Oh how we loved Jack Lord. My sister and I had a crush on him and Danny (danno). Could someone please tell me What ever happend to Mr. Lord, Danny and the rest of the cast? I will be watching the new series.
Good Luck
Julie B
Julie B
Lawrenceville, Ga USA - Friday, September 03, 2010 at 15:35:09 (PDT)
I've managed to catch parts of two episodes of Five-0 in Spike-TV, as well as all of "Once Upon a Time" (part 2). The editing is so severe in order to fit the time constraints that the show loses much of what made it special. Long live our DVDs.
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Friday, September 03, 2010 at 14:47:45 (PDT)
THIS NEW SHOW FIVE-OH IS A DISGRACE, PARK. IF YOU LIKE NEW SHOW YOU ARE AND IDIOT!
HANS VULGAR
BOSTON, MA USA - Friday, September 03, 2010 at 14:46:30 (PDT)
This is truly an amazing site, and I am glad I came across it. Thanks for the effort. I have been rediscovering Hawaii 5-0 in the reruns Spike TV has had on and it has been great fun to watch. For my money, no one, can replace Jack Lord, and this show the way it was, with James McArthur and all the other stars. The new version will probably rely on sex and violence and the hi-tech stuff, but I like the way the shows were made in the past, not all the splash and dash, but the good acting and way the plots moved. I think they should think of original shows, and not tamper with Classics myself. I am glad Daniel Dae Kim got work, he is a good guy, but really, why bother. I might watch once out of curiousity, but really, it will never replace the original.
Thanks for being here and I will check back as I can.
Connie Colvin
Jackson Heights, NY, NY USA - Friday, September 03, 2010 at 14:14:16 (PDT)
."It's easy to say don't compare it to the original Five-O - but extremely hard to do when both the show and the characters have the same names as those of the original."
I AGREE !!!
Use another name for the show and for the characters and I am sure no one will compare the Original with the remake. They keep saying "it's a reboot " , McGarrett, Danno, Hawaii 50...What are they talking about?? It is a remake!! . At least they could be honest about it.
After watching the promos, I am not interested at all.
It is a remake!
- Friday, September 03, 2010 at 12:30:27 (PDT)
Okay, here's the one that was missing:
PROMO # 29 - Chin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOIaCOIccAI&feature=player_embedded
Barbara
Chicago, IL USA - Friday, September 03, 2010 at 12:08:49 (PDT)
“There have been some good detectives, BUT, NONE as great as Jack Lord/Steve McGarrett”
Amen, Neill. We shouldn’t go comparing this new Hawaiian cop show to the genuine Hawaii Five-O ‘cause there ain’t no comparison.
Jack Lord/Steve McGarret los policía supremo!
RIP Jack Lord. Long Live Jack Lord!
Big Chicken
Seattle, WA USA - Friday, September 03, 2010 at 08:03:56 (PDT)
UNIVERSITY BANDS BATTLE OVER HAWAII FIVE-0 THEME SONG
September 3, 2010 By mizzoh
Yesterday’s tweets about the USC marching band practicing the Hawaii Five-0 theme song at Honolulu’s Fort DeRussy Beach Park have made some wonder what musicians from the mainland were doing so far from home.
As a matter of fact, a significant football game took place last night at Aloha Stadium between the University of Hawaii’s Warriors and the University of Southern California’s Trojans.
Although the USC band did not perform the theme song at the game (that right was claimed by the UH band, whose use it as their unofficial fight song), they did participate in an ad campaign for CBS that will involve various mediums including TV, radio and print. CBS filmed their performance right there on the beach, but the band also appears in a previous theme song promo.
The University of Hawaii’s marching band too was invited by CBS to play the theme song for the same promotional campaign and footage for that was shot yesterday during halftime.
A real battle between the two bands isn’t expected to ensue, as CBS says they will be featured in separate promos that we can expect to see within the next couple of weeks.
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/Global/category.asp?C=6743&clipId=5082328&flvUri=&partn
Barbara
Chicago, IL USA - Friday, September 03, 2010 at 07:01:53 (PDT)
PROMO # 26 - Kono
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyTFHFTF7Ak&feature=player_embedded
PROMO # 27 - Danno
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9CJbQDPyPU&feature=player_embedded
PROMO # 28 - McGarrett
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnz1nli5u0E&feature=player_embedded
I guess Chin's promo will be coming soon.
Barbara
Chicago, IL USA - Friday, September 03, 2010 at 06:57:56 (PDT)
It's easy to say don't compare it to the original Five-O - but extremely hard to do when both the show and the characters have the same names as those of the original.
Looking at the promos of the new show, I see a program I wouldn't be particularly interested in watching no matter what it was called. So my choice is not to watch.
On the other hand, I'm still going through Season 8 of the original (I'm a somewhat slower viewer :) ), and I find myself impressed with the episodes. So I'll stick with Jack Lord and company.
Sylvia
Pembroke Pines, FL USA - Friday, September 03, 2010 at 06:56:28 (PDT)
Well said, Yankee4life. That is exactly the way I see it.
keeping it real
LA, CA USA - Friday, September 03, 2010 at 03:27:38 (PDT)
I think one of the most important things we can do as fans of Hawaii Five O is once this new show goes on the air later this month, we should make a conscious effort not to always compare it to the original show.
This new show has a lot of potential as being a very exciting show and I don't think it is going to disappoint. We've been waiting a long time for a new FiveO and now that we have it we should not be bringing up and constantly pointing out the differences between the two shows.
The original FiveO is always going to be held in high regard. If I want, I can go back and watch any show from the first nine seasons (because I own each set) if I want to see the original McGarrett and company in action.
But now I want to see the new McGarrett and I want this show to be the best that CBS has this year.
Yankee4Life
- Friday, September 03, 2010 at 01:52:14 (PDT)
Hear McGarrett say "book 'em" en français!!
http://www.mediafire.com/?rb9i6ad1be6oba9
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Thursday, September 02, 2010 at 20:30:34 (PDT)
Another promo:
http://alavenia.blogspot.com/2010/09/h5-0-tv-promo-september-1-2010.html
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Thursday, September 02, 2010 at 20:20:41 (PDT)
I have seen a clip on Hawaii 5-0 2010 version, it is ok, BUT, it will never, ever be as good, or even match the original Hawaii 5-0, with Jack Lord/Steve McGarret and cast. However, what I would love to see, is, CBS to do reruns of the original Hawaii 5-0. NOW, we are talking. And I even bet, that CBS's viewer audience would go through the roof, if they returned the original Hawaii 5-0 as reruns. Well CBS, what do ya say, HUH. Also, there have been some good detectives, BUT, NONE as great as Jack Lord/Steve McGarret. Magnum PI, was good, BUT, NO comparison to Jack Lord/Steve McGarret. Rest in peace, Jack Lord/Steve McGarret, rest in peace, knowing that YOU are still BEST detective who lived. And thank you for all your years of service as Lt. Steve McGarret, on Hawaii 5-0 you were alway a pleasure to watch.
Neill Johnston
Abbotsford, BC Canada - Thursday, September 02, 2010 at 19:23:55 (PDT)
...At 45, I am a fan of all those great shows from the 60's, 70's and early 80's. I love Hawaii Five-O, and still remember watching it as a kid, in the 70's.
A few points. As I understand it, up until the mid-80's, TV shows were filmed and then "film" copies sent to affiliates for viewing. Plus, film was saturated more with color. But, starting in the mid-80's, they found it cheaper to send super VHS tape copies to affiliates, for broadcasting. If you were like me, you noticed that shows like Dallas and Murder She Wrote were suddenly less rich looking (most did not notice, I suppose), but did not know why. Anyway, the original Hawaii 5-O looks MUCH better than the previews of the remake, I see (like any modern show). But even so, the actors look cocky, and they are trying to hype this thing, rather than let the work speak for itself.
I think a good remake would have been if CSI Miami (David Caruso) was Hawaii 5-O. Caruso is McGarrett-like, without copying him.
2 nonsensical, trivial comments; I don't know why a guy who looked like Lord would get a facelift between seasons 2 and 3, when he looked fine, before. It forever changed his face, slightly oddly, to me. And add the longer hair to it, and Lord went from a good looking guy, to a rather unusual looking one. My wife agrees.
This leads to my last comment. Is that alleged Enquirer photo the ONLY existing photo of him after 5-O? You'd think SOMEONE would have snapped a photo or, when his widow passed, a few family type photos would have surfaced, of Lord post Hawaii 5-O. I'm just curious, that's all.
As the directions for posting say, "It's just a TV show". So please, no one get all upset with me for critiquing Lord's facelift and 70's hair.
In conclusion, it's always very wierd for me to watch shows like this, because they still seem fairly recent. Very hard to process that Lord passed at 77, that Garner (Rockford)is like 82, and McCloud (Weaver) passed at like 82. How did that much time pass?? Sheesh!
Mark
Preston, CT USA - Thursday, September 02, 2010 at 18:22:58 (PDT)
Thanks, Ed. I found the link.
Hawaiian Airlines offering passengers sneak peak of Hawaii Five-0
Pacific Business News (Honolulu)
Here is the link:
http://pacific.bizjournals.com/pacific/stories/2010/08/30/daily25.html
* Hawaiian Airlines
Hawaiian Airlines passengers are getting a sneak peek of the new Hawaii Five-0 television series.
Under an exclusive marketing agreement with the show's producers, Hawaiian Airlines is airing the debut episode of the Honolulu crime drama series remake on its "Hawaiian Skies" inflight video program, according to a statement from the airlines. Passengers can catch the sneak preview on 14 transpacific Hawaiian Airlines flights up until the show's national debut on Sept. 20 on the CBS network.
The agreement includes a Hawaiian Airlines jet being shown in each episode's opening credits, and the almost 4,000 Hawaiian Airline's employees are among the first to receive a Hawaii Five-0 cell phone ringtone, according to the statement.
The flights that will air the debut episode offer service to Los Angeles, Oakland, San Francisco, San Jose, San Diego, Sacramento, Portland, Seattle, Phoenix, and Las Vegas, Manila, Sydney, American Samoa and Tahiti.
Read more: Hawaiian Airlines offering passengers sneak peak of Hawaii Five-0 - Pacific Business News (Honolulu)
keeping it real
LA, CA USA - Thursday, September 02, 2010 at 14:35:08 (PDT)
Ed from Honolulu, could you provide the link that shows that they will be showing the H50 pilot on the Hawaiian flights? I didn't see it anywhere on the Star Advertiser's site. Thank you.
keeping it real
LA, CA USA - Thursday, September 02, 2010 at 14:04:28 (PDT)
From today's Star-Advertiser:
Hawaiian Air debuts 'Hawaii Five-0'
Hawaiian Airlines has begun showing the opening episode of the new "Hawaii Five-0" series on its trans-Pacific flights for the next three weeks ahead of the Sept. 20 nationally televised debut on CBS.
As part of an exclusive marketing agreement, a Hawaiian Airlines aircraft also is seen in the opening credits of every episode.
In addition, Hawaiian's nearly 4,000 employees are among the first to receive a new "Hawaii Five-0" ring tone to download on their cell phone.
Ed
Honolulu, HI USA - Thursday, September 02, 2010 at 12:19:05 (PDT)
When I was dubbing these Family Channel broadcasts, I found the following card prior to one of the shows, which was kind of nice (I guess this was broadcast around the time of Lord's death):
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Thursday, September 02, 2010 at 11:28:06 (PDT)
I am looking forward to seeing the new show this fall. I loved the original show and watched it every week. I watched Alex O'Loughlin in two other shows that, unfortunately were canceled. He is a great actor and very nice to look at. He is a good actor and am sure that the new show will be a hit. There will never be another original Hawaii Five-0 but we can still enjoy the new one.
Kay
Omaha, NE USA - Thursday, September 02, 2010 at 11:21:03 (PDT)
I will not be watching it, there will not be another cast of Hawaii 5-0 at my house.Zulu would roll over in his grave if he knew someone named Grace is playing his part.
Vic Ellenberger
Huntingdon, Pa USA - Thursday, September 02, 2010 at 09:16:52 (PDT)
I recently got a DVD Recorder, and I "remastered" my dubs of seasons 11 and 12. These shows were originally recorded from local broadcasts and then copied to blank tapes, editing out the commercials, all at the SP ("fastest") speed. The DVD dubs that I made recently are equivalent to dubbing them again at the SLP speed, so the quality is not super-duper, especially when viewed on an LCD or plasma TV (I watched them on a 12" monitor, and they looked quite good ":-). These are NTSC dubs, so if you live outside North America, they will not play on your DVD player unless it is capable of playing discs from North America. As well, you cannot watch these on your computer; you must use a stand-alone DVD player, because the menus will not work when played on a computer.
Anyway, I have FOUR sets of these dubs (you can choose either season 11 or 12, not both) to give away. Your "payment" will be (a) you have to watch them and report back to me if there are any technical issues, i.e, the discs don't work or whatever -- which they should, since someone has already tried them out and (b) you can discuss these shows with people here!
If you want one of these, then e-mail me.
I also made a single disc of Family Channel broadcasts ... for those truly masochistic. These shows are VERY cut up (there is a page on my WWW site which details what was done -- http://fiveohomepage.com/famchan-analysis.htm). But the quality of the shows, visually speaking, is very good!
And I have some other goodies too:
Diagnosis Murder -- 1) episode with Mike Connors (Mannix); 2) episode with Robert Culp, Barbara Bain, Robert Vaughn and Patrick MacNee.
Jack Lord Dr. Kildare episode (the quality of this is VERY poor), backed with an episode of The Defenders starring William Shatner
Also remastered:
Busey Five-O (1997 Five-O pilot, from SLP VHS tape, quality is better than before, but not that much)
Judge Dee and the Monastery Murders -- TV movie starring Khigh Diegh
If you're interested in any of this other stuff, let me know.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Thursday, September 02, 2010 at 07:38:54 (PDT)
The contributions lately seem to have been given an upgrade in terms of articulation and eloquence. Don't think I can even compete with such brilliant wordsmithing, so I won't even try.
Chris
Columbus, OH USA - Thursday, September 02, 2010 at 07:09:11 (PDT)
You tell em, Boris
Natasha
Frostbite Falls, Minnesota, - Wednesday, September 01, 2010 at 22:10:49 (PDT)
fuck this new show! it sucks. i know it already and so does anyone with half a brain. they remade psycho and lolita. they do ANYTHING for money. fuck the show and the fucking actors and people who work on it. fuck the people who watch it.
boris
springfield, ma us - Wednesday, September 01, 2010 at 21:16:20 (PDT)
I GOOFED ON MY RCNT COMMNT THOSE CBS GUYS SHOULD'VE USE
THE OTHER OPENING SEQUENCE FROM THE 1997 PILOT BCAUSE
THIS ONE IN THE COMMRCIAL MAD ME RALLY DIZZY!!!
I FOUND JAMS MAcCARTHUR'S ADDRSS ON FAN MAIL.BIZ N D
WILL WRITE A LEETER TO HIM ABOUT TH SHOW SINCE I SAW HIM
ON THE PILOTCLIP ON YOUTUBE BUT WANT TO SEE THE WHOLE
PILOT INTEAD(!) I'LL ALSO CONTACT TH CBS AFFILILAT
OF HAWAII (SAW THEI STATION CAMRA IN A CLASSIC EPISODE
"KING OF THE HILL" BY FIVE-THIRTY PM AFTER COMING HOME
FROM MY LIBRARY TO US ITS COMPUTER.
LIK OUR HRO SAID, BOOK 'EM, DANNO!
rodney dorsey
flushing, ny usa - Wednesday, September 01, 2010 at 18:44:20 (PDT)
As anticipated, the hatchets are in full swing on the Spike TV "marathon". As one previous poster said, Thank God for the DVD's! Just watched King of the Hill -- like several other I have seen, I think they left more on the floor than they aired on TV.
Kitten Sue
Madisonville, TN USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2010 at 15:12:14 (PDT)
The promos and interviews for the new show are out and it looks like it will be successful. It does not appear to be anywhere like the originial. The McGarrett character is about fifteen years younger than what the head of a State Police Unit might be. The "Kono" character has been replaced with a more politically correct female. Looks like a typical buddy cop action show. Might be good, but it doesn't seem right to try and make a completely different type of show and plaster the name "Hawaii Five O" on it, just to get people to watch it. Not the same at all. That does a disservice to the original cast and show. The actors of late, on some of these cop shows look more like college frat boys, than tough guy cops.
jim
Houston, texas usa - Wednesday, September 01, 2010 at 14:51:13 (PDT)
"Being in a Nostradamus mood, I predict that September's total will exceed either of these... ":-/"
LOL...yeah, and it's likely to occur on the morning of Sept. 21st....
Big H
Raleigh, NC USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2010 at 13:45:55 (PDT)
I USED TO WATCH THE SHOW AS A KID GROWING UP INCLUDING
OTHER TV SHOWS (TOO NUMEROUS TO MENTION HERE).
THE CAST WAS GOOD BUT PERSONALLY I LIKE THE ORIGINAL
1997 INTRO OPENING WITH THE (OTHER) CAST WITH JAMES
"DANNO" MACARTHER. THESE GUYS SHOULD'VE USED THAT -
INSTEAD OF THE MODERN OPENING (IT MAKE ME REALLY DIZZY!)
THINGS AREN'T THE SAME WITHOUT THE LATE JACK LORD
(SINCE HE WAS CAST AS CAPTAIN KIRK FOR STAR TREK!)
DESPITE THE DIZZY OPENING, LET'S GET KIANA TOM, JASON
AMOHA, MARK DARKACUS, NANCY KWAN, GAVIN MACLOUD, JASON
SCOTT LEE, AND OTHER STARS TO APPEAR IN THIS REMAKE.
HOW ABOUT REVIVING THAT UNAIRED HAWAII FIVE-O PILOT
INTO A MINISERIES WITH ORIGINAL CAST RETURNED MINUS
CHIN HO KELLY (since he's no longer around) WITH THE
TITLE CALLED "HAWAII FIVE-O: THE LOST YEARS"!
RODNEY DORSEY
FLUSHING, NY USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2010 at 13:14:04 (PDT)
I think you will definitely hit record numbers this month.
Barbara
Chicago, IL USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2010 at 12:15:59 (PDT)
The archived file for August was 347727 bytes compared to the one in July of 317075, but the figures are skewed, because I had to load the page into Microsoft Word when doing serious editing a few weeks ago to remove some "problems" ... and MS Word adds tons of annoying HTML codes.
Being in a Nostradamus mood, I predict that September's total will exceed either of these... ":-/
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Wednesday, September 01, 2010 at 09:15:43 (PDT)
Mr. Mike: How did we do with number of posts for the month of August. Looks like numbers are rising.
Barbara
Chicago, IL USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2010 at 08:06:22 (PDT)
TV By the Numbers picks the new Hawaii Five-O (Five-0) to win the Monday 10 p.m. time slot
http://bit.ly/c9smOm
Who’ll Win?
Will the third time be the charm for Alex O’Loughlin or will it be three strikes and he’s out? How will Mike & Molly do as a lead-in for Hawaii Five-0? Will The Event provide a decent lead-in for The Chase?
Some are dubbing Hawaii Five-0 “NCIS: Hawaii.” To me, that smacks much more of ratings stability than ratings stigma and I’m pretty sure CBS won’t be upset if the show is perceived that way.
If The Big Bang Theory were still leading in to Hawaii Five-O, I’d guess H50 wins easily once the dust of the new season settles. I’m not sure how Mike & Molly will perform but once the dust settles I have Hawaii Five-0 winning the hour, with Castle in second and Chase in last. Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Wednesday, September 01, 2010 at 04:05:15 (PDT)
Further comments (not by me) about Spike TV broadcasts:
This is a new set of HD prints, because instead of the Paramount logo at the end like the 209 episode package has, there is a CBS Distribution logo just like the DVDs have. The SD feed of Spike is simply downres'd for 480p broadcast.
There were 6 commercial breaks, just like the non-HD shows currently in syndication (this includes the 'extra' break they've gone and added). The first commercial break clocked in around 4 minutes and featured a 30-second preview of the new series. The remaining 5 breaks clocked in around 3 minutes each. Added all up, this comes to roughly 19 minutes worth of commercials, or 41 minutes of show. Furthermore, this means they cut 10 minutes out of each show (I didn't detect any time compression to lessen the blow), or 20% of the show! FAM at their worst had run times of around 42:30 or 43 minutes.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC - Wednesday, September 01, 2010 at 03:23:19 (PDT)
This is great... my grandpa Dick Gossett played in the Origanial series as several different charactors so I love that this is back in production again, I want to play on one as well for free to keep the good karma going, love to all Rick jr.
Rick
Denver, co usa - Wednesday, September 01, 2010 at 00:44:10 (PDT)
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