Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- March 2013

The Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- March 2013

The following are archived comments from March 2013. After looking around, please add your own comments!

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Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Upcoming episodes:

4/8- No episode- NCAA Men's Basketball Championships
4/15- 3.20 - ʻŌlelo Paʻa "The Promise"
4/29- 3.21 - ʻImi Loko Ka ʻUhane (Soul Searching)
5/6- 3.22 - Hoʻopio (To Extinguish)
5/13- 3.23 - He Welo ʻOihana -(A Trick of the Trade)
5/20- 3.24 - Aloha. Mālama Pono (Farewell. With Love/Take Good Care)

Added: Saturday 30 March 2013 22:10:48 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Five-O music vs. Bourne Identity. Are they going to be paying royalties to John Powell?


Added: Friday 29 March 2013 19:14:00 MST

Submitted by: Tony
From: SF

DeliWaiter. I agree on all you said.

I recently started watching Miami Vice and find that it has more in common with 5-O than any other show including the reboot. Great music, bold story lines with many unexpected twists, tropical location, uses local settings that become a character in the show, great acting, hard hitting.

Anyone else agree witht eh comparisons???

Added: Friday 29 March 2013 12:14:38 MST

Submitted by: Frank
From: Wisconsin

Season 4 final, season 5 final, whatever happens it is good fodder for this forum, and we all get to view everybody's take on the show. 1.0 4ever ;)

Added: Friday 29 March 2013 09:53:30 MST

Submitted by: DeliWaiter
From: Can O'Spam Land

Classic Five-O had the 'cool" factor. It was exciting, new and fresh for TV back in 1968. Jack Lord was a man on a mission to make his mark in acting and he wasn't going to let this opportunity pass him by. Maybe he figured it would be his last, best chance. Also Leonard Freeman wanted to make his mark as well after years of being a second in command. I have noticed producers, writers and actors from PERRY MASON that later worked and appeared on Five-O.Quality was classic Five-O's legacy from day one. There is not much original about Today's Five-0. It is a cookie cutter show in the same mold as most of the other cop shows on TV presently. It is not exciting or dynamic, and does not impart the same magical feeling and promise that the original show did. A gallant effort was made to re-boot the original but it fell short. All us fans of the classic show can hope for is a feature length film to be made capturing the essence of the original. Five-0, in its current form just does not share the same gestalt as the original.

Added: Thursday 28 March 2013 22:46:35 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Vrinda and Joe, TV by the Numbers WWW site has been saying for months that Five-0 was not going to be cancelled because of the syndication deal with TNT. As well, people in this forum have also been speculating about this for almost a year.

Added: Thursday 28 March 2013 16:16:43 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Person of Interest got renewed. That's the only other CBS show I watch other than "Golden Boy." There's no news on whether that has been renewed or not.

I think renewing Hawaii Five-Faux for another season is just so CBS can get the 88 shows they need for syndication.

Added: Thursday 28 March 2013 16:00:12 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Did CBS not renew any shows? The articles I read sounded like a complete listing of CBS programming.

Added: Thursday 28 March 2013 12:25:40 MST

Submitted by: Joekido
From: ???

That's what people said about season 3

Added: Thursday 28 March 2013 08:31:32 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I think you mean "the fourth and final season." :!devil:

Added: Thursday 28 March 2013 08:07:38 MST

Submitted by: Joekido
From: ???

Hawaii Five-0 got renewed for the fourth season

Added: Wednesday 27 March 2013 17:38:10 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Revised review of Monday's show:


Found a few additional things that didn't make sense:

• The fishermen confronted Jason from the tour company, who shot one of them. The fishermen then killed Jason and threw him overboard in the shark cage and blew up the boat. The fish boat was not seen anywhere near the tour boat in the teaser.
• The shark cage had no top bars when dragged up from the deep, yet Jason's body was at the bottom of the cage. What was to prevent it from floating up out of the cage or being eaten by sharks in the cage?
• Although Craig Brant admits to setting fire to the Kapu house, he is never charged with anything.

Added: Wednesday 27 March 2013 16:16:24 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Thank you, Rainbow! :!kiss:

If not for your awesome commenting and support, posting here would not be half as fun.

Added: Tuesday 26 March 2013 10:09:25 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Thank you, Rainbow Warrior. I'm honored to be an awesomesaucy historian. ROFL

Added: Tuesday 26 March 2013 09:12:36 MST

Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Way to go Dal!!...Good for you!!!

Ringfire and Big Chicken Your posts are hysterical, I was ROTFLMAO :!rofl: Let's not forget Vrinda and Virginia who are the board's awesomesaucy historians who we could not do without!


I'm with you on last night's show. A few points on the show. I agree with you completely on the Magnum PI theme singing, it did violate it, and was inappropriate, immature, and goof ballish for a tv show. That's this show though. Two did you notice that big segment that just featured Kono and Chin Ho, which you referenced as "they had a lot to do" was so much better than the rest of the show! The tone of that segment was the way the tone of the whole show should bad. It was great, plus Daniel Dae and Grace can seriously act. That was the new Five-O show I was hoping it would be. They were so good together without Alex and Scott being around that the show was actually compelling. Then the tone gets completely destroyed by having the bad comedy routine of Alex and Scott show up and the show returns to crap. You're right, too much information to digest and at this point I would rather see the spin off show of "Chin Ho and Kono" than this "Abbott and Costello" spoof of Five-O that they have going on. It's a shame that the tome of the Kono and Chin-Ho segment that they had ending with the face-off with the FBI's agents wasn't the tone of the entire series. The fact that they still don't recognize this is embarrassing. Daniel and Grace can really act if they get the chance.

Finally, I get what you are saying about Michelle Borth in the bikini, but I'm at the point that she is not doing it for me anymore. I'm tired of her character and of her voice at this point. I want a stronger and more talented actress on the show, someone like Megan Dodds who is being wasted on CSI:NY. That show may be canceled by CBS this spring, if so, they should bring her on to the new Five-O in a strong role and get rid of Borth.

Added: Tuesday 26 March 2013 07:01:16 MST

Submitted by: Mr. MIke
From: Vancouver

Opinion piece from last October. Check the HUGE comments section. Have things changed since then?


Added: Tuesday 26 March 2013 04:39:44 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Back in the real world

Oh, please, please tell me that this episode description isn't true!! I can predict a one star show already...


Added: Tuesday 26 March 2013 04:22:08 MST

Submitted by: Dal Martin
From: Honolulu

I have watched my last Hawaii 50. There are so many commercials that i find it too difficult to keep the phases of story being told connected.

Added: Tuesday 26 March 2013 00:57:15 MST

Submitted by: Big Huli-Huli Chicken
From: Oahu State Prison Luau

Hey RingFire & The Rainbow Warrior - many thanks for the accolades. You cats pretty awesomesauce yo'selves

And I always serves up my 4-Piece Big Chicken Nefarious Five-O Villain Meals with a generous helping of awesomesauce!:D

Added: Monday 25 March 2013 19:58:53 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Spoiler City

I thought tonight's show was going to be about people who were upset about sharks getting their fins lopped off. But this wasn't the case. Instead, it had some connection with sharks being freaked out by tourist boats and moving closer to land, which pissed off some of the local kapu dudes. The crime of the week instead had to do with drugs being dumped in the ocean by a Taiwanese gang and some fisherman getting involved way over his head in trying to make his fortune. There was far too much information in this show to be absorbed all at once. Chin Ho and Kono had a lot more to do than normal. I thought it was pretty cool the way they told off a couple of FBI agents interfering with their investigation in a manner highly reminiscent of the old show. When the Taiwanese gang was about to ship McGarrett, Danno and Chin in a container back to Taiwan at the end of the show, Kono took care of their boss in a very effective way. Chin's girl friend from the prison break episode showed up and derailed the action for a few minutes and Michelle Borth appeared in a bikini at the beginning of the show, far too briefly. I thought it was pretty funny that Danno seemed mystified why tourists would want to be dumped in a shark cage, considering Five-0's experience with same in the third show of the first season. There were two carguments to make up for the lack of one in the last show. The business about Kamekona getting his helicopter pilot's license was kind of dumb, and went on far too long at the show's end. When everyone broke into the theme from Magnum P.I., this was a serious violation of the Five-O/Five-0 space/time continuum, considering Magnum had references to McGarrett (no relation to anyone on the current show). Oh yeah, the music from the teaser was a total ripoff of that from the beginning of The Bourne Identity. The near-iconic music from that film has been alluded to by the current composer duo on several occasions, but never as blatantly as this.

Added: Monday 25 March 2013 19:55:58 MST

Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

There are two points I wanted to make about the folks referenced by Frank and Vrinda who have commented about the old Five-O.

First, making reference to things like the lack of computers and cell phones, along with the clothing styles of the times, is really missing the point. Are they not smart enough to realize that computers (high-tech ones) and cell phones were not in use then? In 10 to 20 years, people will make fun of computer and cell phone technology used on TV shows airing currently, as well as hairstyles and fashion tastes now. Thus, it is not wise to use trivial matters such as this in judging a show's quality.

Second, we are still having detailed discussions about the original episodes, the stars, and what went on behind the scenes here more than 30 years after the original series left the air. One thing is for certain: those who are defending the current series now will not be discussing it on any forum five years from now, much less 30 years into the future. If they even bother to watch the reruns in a few years, they will probably notice things like the dated computer technology as compared with shows that will be current then. Furthermore, the current series will not age well at all given its' soap opera storylines and the fact that we will know how certain sagas such as Ma McGarrett, Joe White, and the briefcase turned out.

Added: Monday 25 March 2013 11:02:09 MST

Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

You're extremely awesomesauce too, Rainbow! It's a pleasure to post with awesomesaucy folks on this awesomesaucety site courtesy of that awesomesaucy honcho known as Mr. Mike.

And yes Big Chicken is just the epitome of awesomesauce!! He's awesomesauce with extra awesomesauce on top! Mixed inside a super awesome saucer!!

Added: Monday 25 March 2013 10:27:44 MST

Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

...and Ringfire you are the most awesomesauce of all the posters, except for Big Chicken who is the awesomesauciest!!!!!... :D

It's not you Gary, it's getting worse, although I missed last week's show, and tonight's show has me interested in the premise at least, as I'm a sucker for sharks!

Added: Monday 25 March 2013 06:52:38 MST

Submitted by: Cher Renee
From: Florida

After I read the Twitter comments posted, I was a little surprised. I thought everyone here did a good job of discussing weaknesses and strengths in BOTH versions. Of course there will be those who adore the first because it WAS the original and who have no use for the second just because it's a remake, but there are others who are very open-minded and willing to give the new one a chance. (And probably a few in between.)

I have watched a handful of episodes from the new show. I didn't think it was wonderful, but I didn't think it was awful, either. I do like Alex; I've watched him in some other shows/movies, and I think he does a good job. (Personally, I liked him in Moonlight best, but that's another story.) ;)

I see it this way; it's kind of like Willy Wonka for me. I *love* the original movie, so I was skeptical when Tim Burton did a new one. I love Burton, though, so I gave it a chance. It took a couple viewings for me to fully accept it, but I see them as different movies now. I can watch the original and adore it as always, and I can watch the new one and enjoy it and all it's quirkiness without expecting to see the first one in it. Does that make sense?

And back to the Twitter comments...if that person or persons feel like the comments here are too 'negative', then they *should* join in the discussion here to add their 2 cents worth. Maybe they would make some interesting points. I think everyone here is open to that. :)

Added: Monday 25 March 2013 06:33:44 MST

Submitted by: Gary
From: New York

Is it me or is the new Five getting worse... Christine Lahti character is so stupid and why does Michelle Borth have opening credits????

Added: Sunday 24 March 2013 19:49:16 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Funny suggestion by Dave-988 for a Five-0/Magnum (sort of) crossover from IMDB:

Frank Reagan should go to Hawaii on vacation and get arrested because an angry police lieutenant was trying to hassle Magnum. Upon finding out that he has a doppelganger in Hawaii, Frank laments how much he hates Hawaiian shirts and how little use he had for PIs during his career. 5-0 steps in and corrects the error because Danny used to hang out with Joe Reagan and knows the Commissioner, but four people are killed and two cars ruined while doing the paperwork. Frank later takes a tour of the U.S.S. Missouri before going home, the whole time thinking he knows the guide Ed from somewhere. Luckily, Frank is able point them in the direction of Wo-Fat before he leaves. As the show ends, 5-0 is on their way to the Food Network Studios.

Added: Sunday 24 March 2013 15:07:00 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Interesting comment by marquis74 about Max Factor heir Andrew Luster at the hawaii-five-0.proboards.com forum, I wonder if this influenced the script. This is from Wikipedia:

In 1996, 1997 and 2000, [Andrew] Luster was accused of giving three women GHB, a date rape drug (this is the same drug used by the bad guy in the show), and raping them while they were unconscious. Luster was brought to trial in 2002. Soon afterward, police officers found videotapes of Luster raping the women in question, including one tape labeled "Shauna GHBing." In January 2003, while on trial for rape, Luster left the country and was declared a fugitive from justice by the judge. Although his attorneys attempted to halt proceedings until he could be located, the judge ruled that Luster would be tried in absentia.

The trial went ahead without him and on January 22, after two days of deliberations, the jury found Luster guilty on 86 of 87 charges against him (many of which had been added to Californian state law in the wake of the 1996 federal drug-induced sexual assault law) and deadlocked on a single poisoning charge.

Luster was convicted of 20 counts of drug-induced rape, 17 counts of raping an unconscious victim, and multiple counts of sodomy and oral copulation by use of drugs. Luster was sentenced to six years for each of the 20 counts of rape (to be served consecutively) and another four years for poisoning, for a total of 124 years in prison. Luster was also ordered to pay a $1 million fine.

During his flight, Luster found his way to Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, where he lived under the assumed name David Carrera, surfing and partying. He was captured by bounty hunter Duane "Dog" Chapman, his son Leland Chapman, Tim Chapman, and two TV crewmen in a noisy scuffle on June 18, 2003, and was then taken into custody by Mexican authorities. The next day, Luster was returned to the U.S., and imprisoned. Chapman was subsequently arrested for deprivation of liberty because bounty-hunting is prohibited by Mexican law, a charge that was ultimately dropped in August 2007.

Added: Sunday 24 March 2013 09:37:35 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Way to go, AJ! You tell 'em! :D

Added: Saturday 23 March 2013 14:06:30 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

AJ, I'm going to give you the Laugh of the Day Award, because that was too funny! :D

I was thinking the same thing. They already had a Caan on the show who can act (James Caan), now why not an O'Loughlin that can act?

Added: Saturday 23 March 2013 13:31:29 MST

Submitted by: AJ
From: NY

Gerald S. O'Loughlin is still alive and kicking at 91. I say, bring him in for a guest spot on the new Five-0... so the show can have at least one episode featuring someone named O'Loughlin that can act!

Added: Friday 22 March 2013 21:08:14 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

LOL, maybe I should run a contest to see who can be in charge of the "Un-Welcome Wagon" for this site each month!

Added: Friday 22 March 2013 15:22:37 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

A question for Kimo: Who is the one who calls himself "Irish Barber" a/k/a "Irish Barber-Kanakaole"?

He began his career as associate producer in Joe Moore's 1991 movie, "Goodbye Paradise," and, according to IMDb, has worked behind the camera in a half-dozen or more subsequent projects filmed in the islands.

Added: Friday 22 March 2013 11:48:44 MST

Submitted by: Frank
From: Wisconsin

Vrinda you are right. These people who don't like 1.0 because of no computers and cell phones, probably don't like Gunsmoke because of no cars! There are shows out today who beginnings were from 1.0, like CSI or shows in that genre who have their fancy labs, where Che did it himself, vs. a team of investigators. They all owe a debt to Freeman.

Added: Friday 22 March 2013 10:42:25 MST

Submitted by: Joekido
From: ???

The new show tries to be a reverse version of the old show. Today the old show looks boring while the new show is suppose to fix that. But it has no balance.

Added: Friday 22 March 2013 10:16:29 MST

Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I think the original FIVE-0 was awesomesauce!!! :D

And the awesomesauciest villain in the old show was Big Chicken!!! Oh yeah!!

Let's not forget Morton Stevens' music - very awesomesaucy!!!

Added: Friday 22 March 2013 09:59:30 MST

Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Anybody who uses the term "awesomesauce", I'm not too concerned about them or their intellectual ability. They have no argument to make as their responses show. If you use the term "awesomesauce" of course they like the new show and have problems with the old, because they are undeveloped mentally.

Added: Friday 22 March 2013 09:33:55 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Mike, if that person wants to find negative things to say about the old show, they will have to spend a fair amount of time watching it to look for things to pick on, like we do with the new show and have done with the old show. The difference is that with the old show, we actually hear what the characters are saying, and the story telling proceeds at a slower pace wherein the audience can take in everything that they see and hear. This gives a person the chance to see mistakes in continuity or hear mistakes in delivery of lines.

These people who criticize the original show use such flimsy arguments as well. Many people have lost sight of the fact that the original Hawaii Five-O is a crime drama and police procedural and not a soap opera. They complain about the lack of computers and cell phones (I actually saw a comment along these lines on the IMDb), criticism of the fashions - as if people today are such fashion plates, whining about the lack of character back story, that we never get to know the characters as people, and attacks at Jack Lord for playing the lead role, as if an actor playing the lead in a TV show is unheard of and a crime(and what is Alex O'Loughlin doing? He's certainly not a background extra). When they start criticizing Jack's acting, then they've proven their shallowness and ignorance. Their comments show they weren't watching him or the show at all.

On the new show, everything happens so fast, with loud background music to drown out the dialogue, that you have to watch it again just to see what you missed, and not because the episode was worth watching a second time. The faster pace, shaky camera moves, flash cuts, and loud music also help to cover up flubbed lines and take attention away from continuity errors, which the old show didn’t and couldn’t cover up because they didn’t use those previously-listed production elements. They also didn’t have today’s digital cameras on the set which allow the film makers to see what they just produced and find mistakes so they can fix them. They wouldn't have noticed these errors until the editing phase, when it would be too late to fix them. People looking to criticize the old show will easily pick out those mistakes because they are so visible, whereas they won’t see them in the new show because they are not as visible, but are still there.

Another problem is that they don’t want to follow the storylines or want to see an actual crime story. They want violence, shooting, explosions, car chases, gun fights, fist fights, blood and gore, with no context. They don’t want to see the characters talking, asking questions, and thinking. They want them to tell the story with their fists and weapons. They don’t see the characters on the old show using technology to solve crimes, like the touch-screen table computer on the new show, but rather traditional police work involving questions and answers and looking up information in (GASP!) paper folders. People today label all this as time-consuming and boring. Like looking up information on a computer is so fun!

They’ve also ignored the role of the criminals, victims, suspects, and supporting protagonists – Doc, Che, Manicote, the Governor, etc. - on the old show. Most episodes gave them the bad guys their spotlight and told the story from their side, while showing the detectives on the investigative side. That is something you don’t see on the new show.

A person can't just criticize a TV show with no understanding of the time in which it was set and made, the TV landscape of the time in general, what other shows of the same ilk were like, and the technology available. Taking all those elements into consideration, they'll find their amount of complaints decreasing when they actually open their minds and realize Hawaii Five-O was a product of its time and made to reflect its time, and not to satisfy egotistical, arrogant TV viewers in the 21st century.

Added: Friday 22 March 2013 08:55:21 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

As long as 1.0 is loved, it doesn't really matter (to me) whether we are loved. LOL To each his own, Michael.

Added: Friday 22 March 2013 08:13:35 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

We are not loved! All from Twitter:

[A while ago]

"I won't participate on a site I feel has a pervasively negative opinion of the reboot."

[I told this person to comment here]

"I've read comments on the new show on your site before &, while I DO have an open-mind about it, I feel your site leans too far to the negative about the reboot for me to participate."

[More recently]

"Amt of time u fun folks spend forcing urselves 2 watch-talking-writing abt how much it'll never measure up is HILARIOUS!"

"'Not enthusiastic' [referring to my Tweet about comments here regarding the last show] What a SHOCK! LOL! Why bother reading? -not as awesomesauce as the original-RINSE-REPEAT- We get it!"

[Response to the last two, which are from the same person]

"Spend a bit more time and you'll find that I (and others) have plenty of negative things to say about old show as well."

Added: Friday 22 March 2013 07:37:13 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

As far as I am aware, movie rights are controlled by the Freeman estate, TV rights are controlled by CBS. George Litto, Leonard Freeman's former agent, was supposedly working on a movie version of the show, but considering he sued the Freeman estate for money that he was owed connected with the TV version, I doubt if that is going to go anywhere.

Added: Friday 22 March 2013 07:34:31 MST

Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY


That's the point, the show's can't stand on their own, because the writing isn't good enough. Never has been.


Question for you. If as you say, the show might be canceled after only one more season, who then retains the rights to the Five-O title, copyright, and characters?...If someone was interested in doing a movie version of the old show, or if some other cable or broadcast network wanted to do a "real version" of the old show *updated* who would they have to negotiate with?

Added: Friday 22 March 2013 07:04:53 MST

Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

Regarding the latest episode, I thought the roller derby angle could have been show worthy, but how many young and pretty women are there on Oahu would want to get beat up on a weekly basis for peanuts to do roller derby?? And yet, they seem to have a whole league of them! The writing was once again awful as the porno picture crime seemed ludicrous. Because of that, trying to weave roller derby around the crime didn't work for me. And I agree with everyone else regarding Doris. Her role is okay, but why does every show have to have a soap opera type element to try to keep their viewers interested? Shouldn't the episodes be able to stand on their own?

Added: Thursday 21 March 2013 12:25:16 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Follow the White Brick Road -- why did I watch this again, I already gave it 3 stars! This episode is very good, with interesting camera angles and a score by Ray which has lots of "military" motives. Karen Rhodes in her book points out that people like McGarrett and the navy investigator are jumping to conclusions about the poison which killed the sailor at the beginning of the show. There is no proof as to how this poison ended up in the sailor, yet everyone assumes that this is a case of murder. (I assumed the tattoo guy gave the sailor a little sample of his product which contained the poison.) I had some problems with McGarrett suddenly appearing on the ship near the end of the show. They are two days out from Pearl Harbor, according to the captain, so why does McGarrett suddenly show up on a >tug<? And why does he show up at all? Danno seems to be doing a pretty good job with his investigation.

Added: Thursday 21 March 2013 08:43:25 MST

Submitted by: John
From: Montreal Canada

I don't have much to add about the episode that wasn't already said but one neat thing caught my eye;

When they have the stained ticket magnified on the screen the date for the previous night is March 17th 2013 which was the actual date of the day before the show was aired.

Pretty neat, planned or coincidence??

Added: Wednesday 20 March 2013 11:48:01 MST

Submitted by: frank
From: wisconsin

ENUFF, ENUFF, ENUFF writers,please get rid of "mom"

Added: Wednesday 20 March 2013 11:18:21 MST

Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Right ooooon, Chickie-Bay-beee!! Right ooooon!! :!cool: Positive thoughts, dig??

As for "Descent of the Torches" I haven't gotten to it yet. I'm actually getting a new LED SmartTV in a few days so I can't wait to see that episode on it. It streams directly from Netflix. Gonna be looking outta sight, bay-beee!!

Added: Wednesday 20 March 2013 09:18:52 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

They better get rid of Danno soon, because I figure the show has only another season to go before it is cancelled. This has to do with the syndication of the show where 88 episodes are needed -- four seasons would give them 96 in total.

I'm sure that McGoo's Mawm will be part of this year's cliffhanger, but we can only hope that she will not be returning. There are rational people on IMDB who are major fans of the show who totally hate her!

Only problem is, if Mawm dies, then McGoo will have an aneuryism. Maybe what will happen then is McGoo will retire to his little grass shack on the beach with his GF (they can finally work on their relationship in a serious way), and Chin Ho will take over Five-O. Kono will continue to be the "yes boss" girl, in the same way the original Kono was and McGoo and Catherine will be called on once in a while to assist with a case. Duke Lukela will be promoted to the "senior" member of Five-O who stays in the office and does the geeky stuff while Chin Ho is out tracking down bad guys.

As far as Max is concerned, I don't like him either. I think he should contract Ebola.

Added: Wednesday 20 March 2013 07:24:11 MST

Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Some very funny comments on here about Monday night's show.

We can only hope that Scott Caan does quit the show, and everybody can tune in to watch his character be killed off to what will probably be the highest ratings the show ever had!!! :D

This show will probably do something like allow Danno to reunite with his wife and Gracie in NJ and live happily ever after, or do something really bizarre like his name is not really Danny Williams, he's a CIA agent that was sent to Hawaii to look for Steve's mom, so once he leaves they'll bring on the "real Danny Williams" or something stupid. Just get him off the show already!

Big Chicken: I agree with you on "Follow the White Brick Road" on the good points and the bad points. I'm going to watch it again, to see if I appreciate it more, now that my expectations aren't so high.

Added: Wednesday 20 March 2013 06:56:31 MST

Submitted by: Ray
From: Burbank

The roller derby episode was TERRIBLE. Why did they have Dog Chapman at the beginning? Why the dramatic chase scene reminiscent of "Run,Johnny, Run"? And, how does a cop who says she has never roller skated (only ice skated at 15) pass a try out for a roller derby team? And, why are they even having an episode with roller derby in it anyway? And, why was McG's mother in it?

Added: Tuesday 19 March 2013 23:02:24 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I agree, Rick, the writing was bad. Even if Dina could somehow get over her balcony at the beginning of the show and fall directly on the car, what happened doesn't jive with what Max's autopsy said later: that the woman landed feet first on the car. She landed on her back with her legs in an inverted "V" which then broke the car's back window!

This is followed by the pointless sequence of McGarrett and his mother out paddling a boat somewhere. The only reason this was there seemed to be to show someone taking pictures of Mawm, i.e., stalking her. But why bother? Why not just have her encounter the guy breaking into her house later without this?

And then there is the end of the show (which I didn't even mention). Blair, the Dolls' coach, wants to inject Crimson Bride with the killer drug, doing it in his office in the rec center where the tournament seemingly takes place in the same location that the team was using for practice earlier. What does he expect to do with her body, assuming that she dies? Just walk out of there with it and dispose of it somewhere?

As far as Scott Caan is concerned, some gossip site has the following to say:

"Scott may well have been sorry for the hurt of the words [dissing Hawaii recently], but he is still very woeful about returning to sun and sand for shooting, so much so that he's hinted to "pals" he wants to quit the series! ... Scott claims he feels "cut off" from friends living in either one mainland coast or the other, and reportedly told series executives he wants to leave the show at season's end."

(See http://entertainment.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981851709)

My revamped thoughts on the episode, which includes most of what I already posted below, are here:


Added: Tuesday 19 March 2013 21:19:13 MST

Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Seattle, WA 53033

Hey RingFire, you know the Chicken too well. Chickens' girl was just tellin him to knock it off with the negative waves. And Mr Mike has had to admonish Chicken in the past for his negative waves on this here forum. So I will concentrate on sayin some things that are hopeful & righteous.

Did you get round to watchin "Decent of the Torches"? Great, great production values and real cerebral Steve-O doin some serious detectin. With a heavy Hawaiian storyline as well.

Hey Rainbow Warrior, I also watched "Follow the White Brick Road" and really liked the 70s French-connection like surveillance, specially SteveNDanno in the Island casuals like in "Just Lucky," speedin round in the White Mustang. Agreed the endin was the best, really liked Steve-O telling the White Horse tatoo cat that he had to pay back taxes and penalties on his drug money. If there was a fault to the ep (and maybe why you didn't dig it) I would say the heavies were too nondescript. We use to more flashy bad guy like Johnny Oporta.

"Your outta the dirty junk business, sailor!"

Added: Tuesday 19 March 2013 20:58:00 MST

Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

For some reason last nights fake Five-O showed up on my DVR... so I actually watched part of it. First, whoever does the editing needs to get off the coke. Then there's the sound... it's effing awful. Between the poor sound and the mumbling actors it is nearly impossible to understand any dialogue. Fortunately, the writing is so bad that it doesn't detract from the show when you can't hear it. On a side note I wish some one would kill Danno - in the next episode please, if not sooner. I would make a point to watch it if they killed him. I wouldn't miss it. I'm going to stop here because that's the good parts. The rest of what I have to say about it is negative.

Added: Tuesday 19 March 2013 19:46:42 MST

Submitted by: Pat Hart
From: Massachusetts


Added: Tuesday 19 March 2013 19:02:59 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Preliminary thoughts on last night's show:

Once again, the logic behind the events that kick-start an episode were flawed and the writing left a lot to be desired. Don't the writers for this show ever review what they have created to see if it makes sense?

The woman falls from her balcony on top of a car. (Contrary to what was in the CBS press release, it was not Dog The Bounty Hunter's SUV, but some car parked in the street.) She was drugged by the bad guy, and FELL off her balcony. Now, in order to fall off a balcony, usually you have to go over the top of the balcony. There is no indication that she was thrown off the balcony or pushed, or that the drug makes people suicidal; in other words, she slipped (this is stressed during the show). In this case, how could she end up so neatly on top of the car unless the balcony was exactly above the car?

With regard to the drug, the procedure used to determine the injection point on the woman's back was very confusing. Max sprays this paint-like substance on her, then sprays something like water over the paint and shines a light on her back, which reveals an area where the puncture took place. Except the scene before the puncture was revealed did NOT show the square-like mark on Max's monitor. This was a golden opportunity for Max to come up with yet more geeky blather which was missed.

The sound mix was mediocre in a couple of places where you wanted to hear it. One was where Danno was making some joke about one of the roller derby women's names. The other was where they were interviewing the pediatrician about her private life as a roller derby participant and she uttered some crucial plot point which I couldn't make out even after I rewound the show.

The address of the bad guy in Seattle was 8218 9th Ave. SW, Seattle, WA 53033. This is almost a real address if you look it up on Google maps, but the postal code is totally wrong. This ZIP code is for Richfield, Wisconsin, not Washington state, which would start with a "9."

The roller derby competition between the Diamond Dolls and South Shore Sirens was a lot less aggressive than the training sessions for the DD which preceded it. But this part of the show bothered me a lot less than I expected it to. I thought it was pretty funny when McG told everyone about Catherine's experience with ice skating and seeing pictures of her in her little tutu shown to him by her father. The way everyone was cracking a smile definitely put this in the category of "too much information."

You have to wonder how the Diamond Dolls could put out a "casting call" with only a day or so until the tournament and come up with a new member based on what seemed like a very quick tryout.

Catherine managed somehow to get the bad guy's entire hard drive transferred in what seemed like only a few seconds. This made no sense at all, unless the hard drive on this guy's computer was so small it would fit on a typical flash drive (64 gigs max?). How long would it normally take to transfer this? Several minutes, I think. The "porno" pictures which were on the drive were pretty tame stuff, why couldn't they have had some of the shots a bit more revealing (seen from behind, of course)? As in the previous episode, why would a person put something not intended for the public eye on a personal laptop which was seemingly unprotected?

There was some intense emoting between McGarrett, Catherine and McG's Mawm at the end as Catherine revealed that she was sworn to secrecy regarding the attempt on Mawm's life in episode #8 from this season, Wahine’inoloa (Evil Woman). But the whole Mawm sub-plot is becoming far too much like the incessant Joe-White-jerks-McGarrett-around-episode-after-episode plot line from previous seasons. I predict that Mawm is not long for this world..

BTW, according to "LittleGloves" on IMDB, the song heard during the training session was Don't Give Up by Noisettes.

Added: Tuesday 19 March 2013 08:33:06 MST

Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY


I wasn't able to see the new show last night. How was it?...Same old, same old, or were there things you liked about it. Worth me watching sometime later?....I'm guessing no.

Added: Tuesday 19 March 2013 08:06:24 MST

Submitted by: Debbie
From: NS Canada

pleeeeeeeeeease tell me what is the song they played during derby race??? ty in advance :)

Added: Monday 18 March 2013 17:06:59 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

A bowl of shredded wheat, half a cantaloupe, a cup of yogurt, and, of course, toast with seedless blackberry jam … you’re right, Tony. Only Jack Lord could make breakfast sound erotic!

Lois Nettleton co-starred with Jack in Cat on a Hot Tin Roof in 1955-1956, on television in the Studio One episode, "An Incident of Love,” which aired on July 23, 1956.

Added: Monday 18 March 2013 16:42:06 MST

Submitted by: Joekido
From: ???

Who cares Michelle

Added: Monday 18 March 2013 15:19:57 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Puh-leeze, Michelle, puh-leeze!!


Added: Monday 18 March 2013 15:05:03 MST

Submitted by: Joekido
From: ???

There is a buzz going on in the proboards. They're questioning on why Scott Caan took the job when he should know that this show is going to be long. They are noticing it just now?

Added: Monday 18 March 2013 13:36:29 MST

Submitted by: Tony
From: SF

Vrinda I just watched the ep you mentioned with Nettleton who is my favorite of all the "love interests" that SM encountered. They have a real chemistry together and I had not realised till I saw your post thet they had worked together in the past.

Man do the sparks fly yet it so subtle which for me makes it all the more interesting.

And you have to love the way JL made a desription of his favorite breakfast sound so erotic.

Added: Monday 18 March 2013 13:02:46 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Two more names for the H50 veteran actors list: Luther Adler ("'V' for Vashon" trilogy and "How to Steal a Masterpiece") and Barbara Baxley ("A Sentence to Steal" and "One Big Happy Family").

Added: Monday 18 March 2013 11:05:01 MST

Submitted by: Alain Morin
From: Calgary, Canada

I just watched the 11th season episode The Execution File and found it was very entertaining... I noted two unrealistic details that I am sharing here -- any thoughts?

(1) Bad guy Hendrix shots the pimps using what seems to be a .38 revolver with a very short barrel from quite a distance -- it is unlikely that one can be that accurate with such a weapon;

(2) Toward the end of the episode Hendrix is shot by a professional killer. One can clearly see that he has been hit in the lower right side of his abdomen, where vital organs (e.g., liver) are located. He should have died quite rapidly, unlike what we see in the episode.

Added: Sunday 17 March 2013 18:13:51 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Vrinda, it seems to me, each time I watch them, that Jack and Pat are playing Brick and Gooper all over again. Oh, they really go at it. LOL. Those three Ormsbee episodes - and especially, "The Defector" - are in my top 10 favorites of all 284 episodes.

Added: Sunday 17 March 2013 17:47:56 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

H5O 1.0:

Thanks for adding those names, H. I was thinking of them, but forgot to add them because I wanted to make sure I got all my points down. I loved it when Pat Hingle’s Dr. Ormsbee showed up. McGarrett was always finding some reason to arrest or detain him at the end.

Lois Nettleton and Jack went way back to their Broadway days. You can see the friendship in their eyes as you watch them interact.

I found a clip of Ben Gazzara as Brick when he was in Cat on a Hot Tin Roof in the mid-fifties, before Jack took over the role. Ben was simply electrifying, and I can only imagine what intensity and energy Jack brought to the role. I wished they had filmed Jack when he was playing Brick. Maybe they did, hopefully, and that film will someday turn up. I have a still photo of Jack in a bathrobe with his ankle in a cast, leaning on a crutch, with Barbara Bel Geddes standing next to him from that production.

Added: Sunday 17 March 2013 15:41:01 MST

Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

Sorry been away with work....hmm.
Dog The Bounty Hunter, Roller Derby: ummmmmm, no.


I'll settle with an old CHARLIE'S ANGELS episode with roller derbies

Added: Sunday 17 March 2013 14:10:22 MST

Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

I've been in the entertainment industry for a long time, so the spoofs were based on people in the industry that I know, and comments from Lenkov in the press. I never met Lenkov, and really don't want to, but I have an idea of how most people in the industry feel about themselves. Many have an ego like they are curing cancer when they get up in the morning. There are also many who are good people. It's like everything else in life.

Added: Sunday 17 March 2013 12:28:40 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

OK, Rainbow, thanks for the clarification. I suspected you were being spoofy, but I didn't want Lenkov freaking out. I think this is unlikely, though I don't think he totally ignores this site. Even if he does, I suspect the guy has some kind of Internet "clipping service" which reports any WWW-posted comments made about him to him. I certainly wouldn't want anyone to use your spoofs as the basis for speculation and rumour. It looks like one of our regulars was already "punked" by your spoofs.

It's interesting, after your posting, I asked a friend who is connected to the entertainment industry about "Lenkov's" comments. My friend e-mailed back, "It DOES sound like something Lenkov would say -- but he lost me with the 'hack' comment. Lenkov's ego would never admit he's a hack. He's a star, and a quality writer, and he knows it. The rest of it, though, I buy."

Added: Sunday 17 March 2013 12:07:06 MST

Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Mike and everybody:

I'm sorry, this is my fault. Those twitter conversations between Lenkov and me were totally made up by me to be funny and humorous, and were total fiction, as they never happened. I did that back in January when Mike posted a real twitter conversation between Lenkov and other people, so I was doing a "spoof" on what a twitter conversation in real life behind the scenes between Lenkov and myself might be like. These were not real conversations between myself and him, as I was doing it in a 'SNL" type of way. I thought everybody knew I was doing a fictitious "spoof" of Lenkov's attitude based on his real life comments. I'm sorry that everybody took them as real, and I apologize for the misunderstanding. I don't use twitter as it gives me a headache, and I really don't have time in my life to follow other people's lives, as I can't keep up with my own. Sorry for the confusion Mike. I'll try harder to be more descriptive in my posts. I type these things off very quickly in the morning before I move on for the day, and time isn't on my side.

Added: Sunday 17 March 2013 11:43:41 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Mike, I'm not so sure remakes are a good thing, simply because today's producers don't really want to bring back an old show; they just want an idea to work with in a contemporary, kick-boxing sort of way. Far better, I think, is to have new ideas with emphasis on quality and attention to detail; e.g., "Downton Abbey."

Julian Fellowes, its creator / producer, has managed to create a captivating program that shows us the decline and fall of the last remnants of the feudal system in England. It is true to history in everything from fashions to inventions that came about during the years covered to how the peers contributed to the World War I war effort. In short, it goes beyond entertaining to let us see how life was in a small segment of society 100 years ago.

Perhaps, the answer would be to let us see how life was in other small segments of society 200 years, 100 years, 50 years ago with emphasis on truth to history while telling the tale.

Added: Sunday 17 March 2013 11:32:43 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Five-0 attracted some of the finest actors; e.g., Shakespearean actor John Hillerman (in his pre-Higgins days) and Broadways's finest actors in Helen Hayes, Mildred Natwick, Lois Nettleton, Pat Hingle, and Eileen Heckart, among others.

Incidentally, Jack Lord was one of those finest Broadway actors, winning the Theatre World Award for being one of the best newcomers to Broadway in the 1953-54 theater season and appearing as Brick opposite Pat Hingle's Gooper in Tennessee Williams' Pulitzer Prize-winning play, "Cat on a Hot Tin Roof." He is said to have "brought down the house" in his performance of the besotted ex-football player husband of Maggie the Cat, who was portrayed by Barbara Bel Geddes (Miss Ellie on "Dallas").

Added: Sunday 17 March 2013 11:30:04 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Is anyone familiar with Kickstarter? People talk about using this company to revive TV shows like Twin Peaks which were cancelled before their time was up.

I also found the following article which says that Netflix is doing the same thing -- for example, bankrolling a fourth series of Arrested Development.


I was thinking, one of these two outfits should revive Hawaii Five-O!

Oh ... wait a minute ... someone already did that... :!giggle:

Added: Saturday 16 March 2013 16:49:31 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.


Thank you and I agree with you totally. Mannix and Cannon had their moments when they got clomped on the head and woke up tied up somewhere, like Rockford, but those instances were not treated in a lighthearted fashion. As far as private eye shows go, Cannon and Mannix were better (I haven’t seen Barnaby Jones in years, so I can’t comment on it). They did use the whodunits with red herring suspect storylines quite a bit, but they were still serious shows. There was always suspense in those shows. Rockford was, like you said, too lighthearted for me as well. I read somewhere that the producer, Roy Huggins, who also produced Garner’s earlier show, Maverick, was looking to make Rockford into the 20th century Maverick – a guy who tried to get by with as little trouble as possible. I watched the first episode, and stopped after ten minutes. Rockford meets some woman at the beach, she invites him to her place, he follows her there in his car, goes in, has a drink with her, and wakes up later on her couch without his pants on, while she and her boyfriend rummaged through his pockets looking for identification, thinking he is a policeman. The scene was so silly it turned me off.

Yet, people praised Rockford over and over, calling it a classic and that the show hasn’t aged, but Hawaii Five-O has. Both shows were made at the same time and took place in the same era, with the same fashions, technology, cars, and attitudes, though the storylines were different – given that Rockford was a private eye and the characters on Hawaii Five-O were police officers. I think people saw that H5O was a police procedural and prematurely judged it, thinking that it was like all the other cops shows in terms of the police detectives following the same steps to solve crimes: gather evidence, questions suspects, victims, witnesses, analyze evidence, narrow in on one or two suspects, and make an arrest, which is a formula many cop shows followed, but not Five-O. Like you said, H5O had very interesting and sinister villains, like Wo Fat, the Vashons, Hookman, the Comic Book Killer, the serial rapist and killer who was an ex-cop, Rich Little’s Johnny Kling, and others. The memorable bad guys on Rockford and even Cannon and Mannix were not as numerous, if there were any.

I also watched Mannix when it was on TV Land, then Cannon and Kojak when they were on MeTV, and Hawaii Five-O was the best out of all of them and the one that always stood out to me. The storylines were not plodding along at a quiet level; there was a sense of urgency on Five-O, something which kept you at the edge of your seat wanting to know what was going to happen next. There was always something happening. Each scene and line of dialogue was important.

Though Steve McGarrett was the man in charge, there was a supporting main cast – Danno, Chin, Kono, Duke, and Ben – and supporting semi-regular cast – Doc, Che, Governor Jameson, Manicote, Jenny, the other secretaries. They all had a hand in solving the cases, and got their fair amount of screentime. Plus, there were the guest stars, who ranged from unknowns to current and future stars like Bruce Boxleitner, John Ritter, Christopher Walken, Robert Drivas, Gavin McLeod, Richard Hatch, Tony Aiello, Dirk Benedict, Adam Arkin, Tim Matheson, Sam Elliott, Eduard James Olmos, Don Stroud, Linda Purlman, Amanda McBroom, Donna Mills, Victoria Principal, Rita Wilson and famous Hollywood-era actors like Ricardo Montalban, Hume Cronyn, Luther Adler, Kevin McCarthy, Dane Clark, Peter Lawford, Jean Simmons, George Kennedy, Leslie Nielsen, Ed Asner, Andrew Duggan, Lyle Bettger, Harold Gould, Antoinette Bower, Ann Francis, Sal Mineo, William Shatner, George Takei, and Ossie Davis, plus music stars like Nancy Wilson and Tommy Sands. They all made the show more enjoyable.

The storylines weren’t just whodunits with red herrings. Many were told from the perspective of the criminals, with Five-O gathering and analyzing the evidence to either prove these suspects did it or to identify them. The criminals were very well-developed, even with the confines of less than half an hour of screentime. You knew their motivations, their personalities, their goals, and their abilities. They weren’t treated in an incidental manner. They were important to the story and treated as such. The criminals of most episodes of these other shows were just there to commit a crime, cause more violence afterwards, and get into a shootout with the private eye or police at the end. The villains’ personalities and personal reasons for committing crimes made the storylines interesting and pushed them forward on H5O.

Jack was doing a lot more for the show than just fighting with the network committee to keep it on the air. As a producer, he was involved in choosing the scripts, giving instructions to the story editor and writers on what scripts to write – though not insisting that he get more screentime than everyone else. He was involved with personnel issues – hiring, firing, disciplining, training, etc., and planning scenes with the directors, script supervisors, and camera and microphone operators, which is all customary. In situations like that, there are bound to be disagreements between those involved and people walking out of these arguments thinking that Jack was arrogant, selfish, and wanting his own way, but that depends on what the argument was about and whose idea would work best in theory, and which one was proven to be the best, and we have no idea about that because we don’t know what Jack and these other people said to one another.

Going back to the critics and why they loved Rockford and Garner, but hated Hawaii Five-O and Lord, the information was there for them to consider in Jack’s defense, but they ignored it so that they could continue to make Jack the butt of their criticism. If Jack was so selfish as to want everything to be about him, there wouldn’t have been all those guest stars that I mentioned, all those storylines that centered on the criminals, the bad guys you and I mentioned, or the top-notch production values that made these storylines come to life. All this contributed to Hawaii Five-O’s success, and made money for everyone involved, spruced up the resume of the actors and crew, and enabled them to keep their jobs for 12 years. This wasn’t all for Jack’s benefit.

As Jack said in Photoplay, March 1974:

"I’m proud to run a tight ship. When we came here, we had many problems. I love Hawaii, but it’s a land of man᷉ana [the Spanish word for "tomorrow”]. More so than Mexico.

"When we got here, we were fighting to survive, so I used to say to the guys in the crew, ‘Look, you’re not working for CBS. You’re not working for a production company. You’re working for yourself! And, unless you realize that, we are all going to be out of work.

"When you run to get a lamp, you are doing yourself a favor, because if we can’t make budget, if we can’t do these shows on time, we might as well fold our tents now and go home.

"And that was just the beginning. I’ve gone on the road to promote Hawaii Five-O. I’ve made 70 to 80 phone calls from my home at 6 o’clock in the morning every year to talk to television editors and columnists about the show. Nobody paid me to do that – and I didn’t want pay. That’s the kind of thing you have to do behind the scenes if you are going to succeed. I ask professionalism from the people with whom I work. I work hard, and I expect everyone else to, and, if they don’t, they hear from me. It’s as simple as that.”

Added: Saturday 16 March 2013 12:49:13 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Next Five-0, as mentioned below, will feature a roller derby (and McGoo’s GF will be going "undercover” as one of the roller derby dames). A friend e-mailed me: "This sounds like some kind of 70s acid trip flashback. Even the original show skipped doing any roller derby shows, which many other shows of the era did. (Off the top of my head, "Six Million Dollar Man", "Charlie's Angels" and "Buck Rogers", I believe.)"

Added: Friday 15 March 2013 12:59:13 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Rainbow, is this exchange between yourself and Lenkov an actual exchange, or is this just some imagined conversation? You posted a previous "exchange" between yourself and him on Thursday January 24th of this year as well. When the previous posting from you appeared, I went and checked Lenkov's Twitter feed, and couldn't find anything resembling what you had posted there, so I assume that (and this) are private messages between you and him?

Added: Friday 15 March 2013 11:41:46 MST

Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

This is for Big Chicken!


Oddball wants you to knock it off with them negative waves. :D So does Steve-0 Five-0!

Added: Friday 15 March 2013 11:25:33 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Lenkov sounds like an arrogant, nasty jerk - and it's from his own words. Too bad the Hollywood press isn't going after him like they unfairly went after Jack. This time, they've got real material to work with.

Added: Friday 15 March 2013 09:16:28 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Rainbow, if that is an actual quotation from Lenkov, he summed it up in his first sentence, "I don't care." And it shows!

Added: Friday 15 March 2013 08:29:29 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

The Tiki Trader / Kimo website is fascinating! I am thoroughly enjoying reading exactly where the scenes were filmed. Will go back to read more later.

Added: Friday 15 March 2013 07:27:21 MST

Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Nothing against Michelle Borth who is fine for what she does on the show, but they need to get a lead actress on the show with some charisma, and some real acting talent to make people compelled to watch. There are plenty of good actresses out there that would love to move to Hawaii, and get a good role if the CBS budget allows.

I haven't missed the show the past few weeks it hasn't been on. I watch it more out of a sense of duty than the fact I enjoy it. I've been getting my Monday night drama fix from the superb "Dallas" anyway. Twitter message to Lenkov "That's how you make a remake of a show." Lenkov twitter message to Rainbow Warrior "I don't care pal. I'm a hack and I'm happy and I know it. Do you know what I do on weekends? A lot more exciting things than you pal!"

I guess when the show is off the air, I will not think about it too much, because I don't now when it is in reruns on Monday Night.

Added: Friday 15 March 2013 07:14:37 MST

Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

One thing that I am curious to see is how CBS handles the budget for 2.0 next season (2013-2014).

It is my understanding that they have to get thru four full seasons to make money from their syndication agreement with TNT. This makes me wonder if the network will cut the series' production budget, thus eliminating appearances by the big name guest stars that have been so prominent in seasons one through three. Of course, the series could go past four seasons, but the ratings are unlikely to improve from where they are right now as the series progresses through the years.

NBC allowed a huge production budget for years in the 1980s for Hill Street Blues despite mediocre ratings, but I wonder if CBS will cut their losses here at some point.

Added: Thursday 14 March 2013 17:55:25 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I was searching for something Five-O related and came across this WWW site run by (I think) Kimo.

This must be a very old site, because none of the links to my site and others work ... the one for mine must date back to 1996 or 1997.

Check it out here:


Also reviewing WWW sites listed on my main page, what has happened to Sue's Kokua's Kapers? It is something totally different now, even though the URL is the same.


Added: Thursday 14 March 2013 17:52:05 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Long live Lewis Avery Filer! Ya gotta love that guy.

Added: Wednesday 13 March 2013 14:46:06 MST

Submitted by: otto
From: new york

Still making my way through Season 8. I watch Touch of Guilt, which was a very powerful episode, surprisingly for a late episode. When the girl works up the nerve to admit to McG that she was raped, it's a pretty moving scene. The only thing which could have improved the episode would have been to see Adam Arkin's smarmy, smug character get a bit more comeuppance from Steve.

Added: Wednesday 13 March 2013 14:04:04 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Press release for March 25th show:


"Hoa Pili” – When threats turn deadly against a tour company that endangers the local shark population, Five-0 faces the difficult task of narrowing down the suspect list. Meanwhile, the team debates whether or not Kamekona will earn his helicopter license, on HAWAII FIVE-0, Monday, March 25 (10:00-11:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.

(*Hoa Pili is Hawaiian for "Close Friend”)

Added: Wednesday 13 March 2013 08:13:41 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver


(From 50undercover.com)

The month-long new episode drought ends this coming Monday with "Na Ki'i (Dolls)."

Seems someone's taken to killing roller derby players and it's up to Five-0 to catch the killer before the wheels go out from under anyone else.

If the prospect of Lt. Catherine Rollins (Michelle Borth) going undercover for Five-0 as a roller derby jammer doesn't pique your interest, we also have a new crossover of sorts -- Five-0 crosses paths with Hawaii's other iconic modern-day crimefighting team, the Chapmans of A&E's "Dog the Bounty Hunter."

Will Cath lead her team to victory on the rink? Will Dog get his man? Will Danny blow a gasket? Will Steve hold the reins on this unlikely dog-team and solve the case? Tune in Monday to see!

Added: Wednesday 13 March 2013 07:59:40 MST

Submitted by: AJ
From: NY

Re: "Trouble In Mind"... I have indeed noticed something wrong with the episode. Nothing major - but I noticed at the end of the banter among the musicians in that truncated scene Mike mentions - when Harry Guardino's character says "Let's go to 'Trouble In Mind'", and tells the brass to "take five"... the next thing you hear when the song begins is ALL BRASS! (Boy, that'a a quick "five" they took!)

:!music: :!music: :!music:

Added: Monday 11 March 2013 21:42:44 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Another article about Lenkov's appearance at SXSW:


Added: Monday 11 March 2013 19:20:13 MST

Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"people on Netflix complained that the quality was not as good as previous seasons, so CBS/Paramount remastered those episodes, but just for Netflix, not any future DVD released."

Oh ok. I guess that makes sense. Because here I am streaming these episodes and scratching my head wondering if my eyes are playing tricks on me - surely the picture looks much sharper and the colors more vibrant than what I saw on the DVD. If they have indeed been remastered then I'll certainly be streaming season 10.

As for the music cuts, are you referring to cuts in actual songs used in the show? Not the score? Like Johnny Cash or Willie Nelson in "Kalima"? Because to be honest this doesn't bother me at all. With the exception of the disco songs in S11's "Number One With a Bullet" Five-0 never really used songs in its episodes. It was a very score-driven show. Unlike MIAMI VICE or KNIGHT RIDER.

Anyway, the next episode is one that I used to absolutely loathe - "Descent of the Torches". I used to place this one right alongside S12's "The Kahuna" and "The Moroville Covenant" as the absolute nadir of the series. But I'm looking forward to seeing it - it has been over 15 years since I saw it last. I was just a teenager then and I absolutely did not care for any of those Hawaiian superstitions episodes. I remember being bored out of my skull watching that one. So I'm curious how it stacks up now. I understand it's considered to be one of the better episodes of the season. But then I loved "When Does a War End?" and "Angel in Blue" and Mr. Mike loathes those. So we'll see... :o

What else? Ahhh yes - Stephen Boyd! I got my dad excited for "Up the Rebels" when I told him that Messala from BEN-HUR would play McG's latest adversary. He tuned in right away! Yes, a fantastic portrayal of an Irish priest/terrorist (Boyd really was born in Northern Ireland) and the playground scene at St. Claire's where McG and Costigan spar with each other is awesome! Great dialogue. Costigan: "I do God's work". McG: "And I do police work. So let's work to stop this before it becomes the devil's work".

As for the season 10 music score so far I think it's great. Morton scored 2 of the 4 episodes I saw - "Rebels" and "Kalima". Broughton scored "Pirates" and Richard Markowitz did "Cop on the Cover". 2 of those 4 had that great piece of music that I was talking about in my earlier post.

And I agree that Kam Fong doesn't seem to be around much anymore. I think I only saw Chin in one brief scene questioning the kidnapped kids in "Cop on the Cover". I believe he was absent in the other 3 episodes.

Added: Monday 11 March 2013 13:43:41 MST

Submitted by: DanFan
From: Everywhere

Anyone ever notice Dano's (original) enormous uh hum "package"???

Added: Monday 11 March 2013 12:35:11 MST

Submitted by: Cher Renee
From: FL

Yes, Vrinda, I believe it was. Is there a better place to send it? :)

And I love all of these explanations about Jack. I have read SO much that makes him sound like some tyrant, and it's very sad that people blindly believe it. Was he perfect? No. But who is? Until someone truly understands and fully grasps all that his obligations entailed, they will never understand the pressure that he was under.

My boyfriend and I are hooked on the old series. We have about 4 seasons right now (getting more), and our 'date night' at home involves watching at least 2 episodes. We'd rather watch those than what's on TV these days.

Added: Monday 11 March 2013 08:13:06 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

I have my doubts about the veracity of that script, Mike. Ed Bernero doesn't turn out garbage, and that is nothing but! In the second place, it sounds like a cross between the 1997 version with Gov. Danno getting shot and 2.0's carguments. No. I don't buy this. Not at all. Hope you're able to get a copy of the real Bernero script. I'd like to know what he really had in mind.

Added: Sunday 10 March 2013 17:00:37 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Hawaii Five-O: the remake that never was (recollections of unproduced Ed Bernero script).


Added: Sunday 10 March 2013 15:57:58 MST

Submitted by: PAF

From: I think something to keep in mind is that there was a formula in programs at that time. Very few ensembles were done, usually a program with a large cast had one focus star. For Hawaii Five-O that star was Jack Lord, so the majority of series focused on Steve McGarrett. Star Trek starred William Shatner, so once again the majority of the time the show centered on Captain Kirk. There were programs that made it quite clear who was the star and all others were supporting such as Mannix, Kojack and of course The Rockford Files, with the main character being the shows titles.

Now it can be argued that the new Five-O is more of an ensemble. Well, so were the later Star Trek series more of an ensemble. But at that time very few programs follow the formula of ensembles, maybe a few westerns like The Big Valley and Bonanza but certainly not Gunsmoke once again Jame Arnes vehicle. I know we all had our favorite characters on Five-O and probably didn't appreciate them being slated in favor of Lord, but he was the star of that show. Leonard Freeman made the character of Steve McGarret the lead, and therefore the show was going to center on him. I don't think it was an ego trip by Lord just the way programs were handled at that time with one character being the center of most of the show.

Added: Sunday 10 March 2013 11:46:00 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

SXSW panel on showrunners vs icritics, featuring Peter Lenkov, some highlights. http://bit.ly/XApPXs

Both TV producers admit to referencing fan sites to help them write the show. Fans catalog information in extreme detail.

Certain story lines are confusing, user reaction online gives heads up to & opportunity for creators to clarify.

Lenkov admits 'Chose your own ending' episode of Hawaii Five-O was a big idea they learned from & do again with more prep

Lenkov: "For me (Twitter) is about getting a live response. I love getting feedback but it doesn't influence the writing"


Summary of SXSW showrunners vs. icritics panel, featuring Peter Lenkov: http://bit.ly/10qCTNT

Time/Date: 11 a.m., Saturday (hashtag: #icritics )

Panelists: Kyle Killen, Writer/Producer; Peter Lenkov, Executive Producer "Hawaii Five-0”; Tim Surette, TV.com

The gist: Surette interviewed Killen and Lenkov about social media, how it affects their shows and how they interact with fans. Social media as a promotion tool was touched upon it’s now as big of a concern for the networks as the show itself. New interactive ideas, such as "Hawaii Five-0” letting audiences choose from three possible endings, were discussed.

Quotes: "Twitter feels like a focus group, where you are behind a mirror and people are saying horrible things about you and your children.” - Killen. "I spend a lot of time online on Monday nights. I’ll read next day reviews on fan sites. Usually I’m horrified.” - Lenkov. "I tend to focus way more on the negative; you can get stabbed in the heart.” - Killen. "I find myself watching fan-made videos and re-tweeting them because they’re so good.” - Lenkov. "My shows have been small and unsuccessful enough that I actually know the same 20 people who comment.” - Killen. "Fans tweeting as characters keep the show alive. We only air once a week.” - Lenkov.

Takeaways: Showrunners value feedback and real-time response. It doesn’t influence the writing, because production happens so far ahead of airing. Good comments are appreciated, but really negative comments can ruin a day. Social media does not have the power to save a failing show, but it can bring people back to watching the episodes when they air instead of time-shifting.

Added: Sunday 10 March 2013 08:19:00 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Story from Kaiser publication about how Jimmy Borges beat cancer:


Added: Sunday 10 March 2013 07:40:00 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I rewatched a couple of shows recently:


(Was someone here talking about this show recently? I can't find any reference to it...)

This was worthy of three stars, up from two which I gave it originally. But this show has one big flaw. The hired killer Llacuna knocks off Holt from Mitch's balcony and quickly goes into the room where he puts the rifle in a rack in front of the near-comatose Mitch (and somehow gets Mitch's fingerprints all over the weapon), and then leaves, presumably by the balcony. This happens in a mere fraction of a second, because Kono breaks into the room almost immediately. This would have made more sense if Kono had been down on the main floor with Chin, and after the shot Chin told him to get up to Mitch's room as quickly as possible. As well, Llacuna put a bunch of darkroom equipment in Mitch's room (presumably in the bathroom -- which Mitch did not notice?). The elaborate setup by Shigato is highly reminiscent of some of the convoluted plots of the new show. Perhaps the new show should remake this episode with the bad guy being an evil Vietnamese prison camp boss?


I think this is a perfect episode -- can you think of anything that is wrong with it? And there are those great songs by Nancy Wilson to boot (one of which, which is a mere excerpt, has been cut out of the DVDs, by the way -- you can find a link to a video of it in my review)

Added: Saturday 09 March 2013 19:54:32 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Well said, LB. A good example of the quality of 1.0 is seen in "The Bells Toll at Noon" (Season 9). That is pure art. Of course, an artist directed it!

Added: Saturday 09 March 2013 19:21:17 MST

Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.


With regards to the James Garner article, I have no doubt that he could tangle with network executives with the best of them. He has never looked like a guy who would back down in a situation like that.

Still, it appeared that much of the glowing coverage that he received for doing so was also because TV critics loved both of his TV series, Maverick and Rockford. If memory serves me correctly, I believe the changes that the network was wanting to make a couple of seasons in was to eliminate Rockford's whimsy and make him tougher like Mannix for example. The biggest problem that I had with this series was that it had such a light tone that it was hard to take the cases seriously many times, especially some of the later season episodes featuring Tom Selleck as nearly perfect detective Lance White. These episodes were almost sickening to watch. Personally, I found other P.I. series of the time such as Mannix, Cannon, and Barnaby Jones more entertaining.

I believe that Jack Lord had more responsibility for his series than Garner did, especially after Leonard Freeman died in 1974. Lord did not receive as much credit for his work because critics did not like 1.0 that much, although I have never figured out why. I watched all of the '70s cop/detective dramas during their original runs and later in reruns. Five-O 1.0 has always stood above the rest to me. The storylines were very unique compared with other series and really pushed the envelope. What other series had a storyline where the baddie killed people he thought were a threat to his favorite comic strip character or a villain like Curt Stoner who had hooks for hands? They even killed off one of the regular characters on the series and had an excellent recurring villain in Wo. Lord had a hand in all of these things and never received his proper due for it, which is ashamed.

Added: Saturday 09 March 2013 18:44:05 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

You're both welcome, Tony and Virginia!

Virginia, it's amazing how many people who worked on the show to this day don't know that Jack was a co-producer and co-owner. One man who was an extra on the show in 1974, and admitted to me that - at first - he had a negative opinion of Jack when he first met him, but it changed as he got to work with him more, and was surprised when I told him about Jack's producer position and ownership of the show.

He did add that, over the past 40 years, he came to realize what a hard job Jack had and that a large part of the problem were the people with whom Jack worked - Teamsters especially. When this man worked with other TV production crews and news crews afterwards, he saw how much work went into doing a TV show, how everyone had a specific job to do, and then realized that much of what rubbed him the wrong way about Jack in the beginning when he filmed that episode 38 years ago was unfounded. It was not Jack being standoffish and a prima donna, but Jack doing his job and others not doing theirs.

Added: Friday 08 March 2013 18:45:23 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Excellent articles, Vrinda, both yours and the clipping. As for why people criticized Jack, who didn't criticize James Garner, et al., I think it goes to what we said last night, that most people did not realize Jack held owner interest in Five-0. To one who did not know, he might well have come across as egotistical, etc. Regardless of whose decision it was for him to be a silent partner, it certainly was a decision that hurt him - and is still hurting him to this day. All we can do is explain what was really going on and hope people choose to accept it.

Added: Friday 08 March 2013 18:08:42 MST

Submitted by: Tony
From: SF

Vrinda and 1.0 thank you both so much for all this wonderful backround info, I am a huge fan of the show but obviously do not know nearly as much as you 2.

Added: Friday 08 March 2013 16:48:23 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Hi, Cher,

Was it a private message? If so, I didn't get it. Yes, Facebook has been slowing down and freezing up when I try to read my notifications.

Back to the discussion of Jack's role behind the scenes, I found this interview with James Garner that he did for UPI and was published on October 6, 1976. I got this copy from the Sarasota Journal on Google News:


Garner talks about how he handles conflict with network executives and produces The Rockford Files "his way." It mentions how he owns the production company Cherokee Productions, which produces Rockford: "When he goes head-to-head with the network or Universal Studios, where the show is filmed, his adversaries are dealing with more than just an actor." James, just like Jack, was a co-producer and co-owner of his show who had a greater hand in it than just speaking his lines. Just like Jack, who is also mentioned in this article, he had to fight his battles with network executives who were trying to derail the show. However, notice the favorable tone in which the author writes about Garner's struggle, calling his attitude of telling NBC to "go to hell" "independent" "sure of his ground," and "stellar qualities." They say he's "as good a businessman as he is an actor."

I don't disagree with all these accolades and don't begrudge Garner in any way, but the media employed a double standard when talking about Jack Lord as opposed to other actors in his position. Danny Tomas, Jack Lord, Telly Savalas, and Robert Blake were also mentioned there as having saved their shows from committee decisions, thus saving them from cancellation. When Jack was doing the same things on Hawaii Five-O as Garner was doing on Rockford, Jack was hauled over the coals and called so many names –arrogant, egotistical, a jerk, selfish, self-absorbed, difficult, etc. – and accused of all the things we were discussing before: changing scripts around to give himself more screen time, bullying the other actors and crew members, and arguing with the directors, producers, and network executives. The reporters who made these accusations conveniently ignore the fact that Jack was a co-producer and co-owner – so he had every right to be in charge – and with that position, he had to deal with many crew members who were inexperienced and used to sloughing off, and had to battle with network executives and these committees the UPI article mentions. These network higher-ups and committees try to contradict and overrule decisions the actors, as producers, make for their shows and try to limit them from doing what they need or want to do. If they force a crime show to tone down or eliminate down violence, it will result in a dull show which will get canceled quickly, leaving the actor in dust while the rest of the crew – producers, directors, writers, cameramen, etc. – move on to other projects. That was why it was so important for actors to have some control over their respective shows.

In Jack’s case, the movie magazines made it look like Jack was taking control over things just to be bossy when it wasn’t needed. They didn’t explain what the situation is really like in television with all the red tape the networks wrap around these actors, who have more to lose than the people behind the cameras. When they wrote about Jack and maligned him so much, they omitted the role that the networks play in producing a show and how they are a hindrance much of the time, and that these executives and committees are anything but saints. When people read these articles about Jack, they never gave a thought as to the conduct of the people with whom he was working, both in Hawaii, Hollywood, and New York. They act as though these network executives, producers, and directors were all wonderful people who were blameless in this situation, and Jack was the bad guy who was single-handedly making them miserable. However, the truth was told in articles like this about Garner and other actors, and people believed them, but when Jack was written about, all this information about the powers-that-be and their behavior was either ignored or glossed over, and readers instantly believed the criticism heaped on Jack was warranted, forgetting that Jack was dealing with the same problems these other actors were, who were sympathized with by the media and the audience.

Added: Friday 08 March 2013 09:56:34 MST

Submitted by: Barbara
From: Pittsburgh

Re: "Engaged To Be Buried." One of the best moments is when Danno and Chin are watching a slideshow of Rono and they see him in the company of Chin's daughter. Danno's eyes widen in shock as he turns to look at Chin Ho. James MacArthur didn't need to say a word, his look said it all. I thought it was a great acting moment. Also, I loved the job Erik Estrada did. Not one expression or a gesture remind me of Ponch.

Added: Friday 08 March 2013 09:21:36 MST

Submitted by: Cher Renee
From: FL

I must say, I'm enjoying refreshing this page each morning to read the latest posts/opinions about the show. I'm learning quite a lot! :)

Side note to Vrinda...did you get my silly little message on FB? I figured if anyone would 'get it', it would be you. Just wanted to check that it went through. FB has been a bit screwy lately.

Have a great weekend everyone! :)

Added: Friday 08 March 2013 08:08:12 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Re: No replacement Executive Producers – I said, "Jack did not want anyone else's name to go down as Executive Producer.” I did NOT say that there was not another executive producer. The decision wouldn’t have been Jack’s, anyway; at least, not entirely. Remember Rose Freeman and CBS???

Re: "Number One With a Bullet” – It is the feeling among some followers that this was meant to be the swan song; I happen to agree if for no other reason than the enormous sum of money they spent on it. Perhaps, the network aired it out of the intended sequence??? Perhaps, that opinion, however popular, is erroneous??? That’s the trouble with trying to research what happened 40-50 years ago when the principals have passed on. What is true, and what is opinion? Will we ever know?

Re: Ending with the arrest of Wo Fat – A suitable conclusion, but we have no way of knowing when "Woe to Wo Fat” was filmed, or do we? Again, not everything was aired in the order in which it was produced.

I, too, would have enjoyed seeing more of the supporting characters on a week-to-week basis. Even so, most had at least one episode revolve around him/her. Besides filling in for Steve on several occasions, Danno had two stories, "Beautiful Screamer” and "A Long Time Ago.” Chin Ho had two stories, "Cry Lie” and "A Death in the Family.” Someone imagined that "Death is a Company Policy” was intended to be Kono’s story, if he had not been fired. True or false? Who knows? Perhaps, in time, Ben would have had a story, if he had stayed longer? Who knows? Lori Wilson’s story was "Who Says Cops Don’t Cry?” Carew had two stories: "A Lion in the Streets” and "Good Help Is Hard to Find.”

As for the difference between the early seasons and the late seasons, I agree with the multiple posters, who have pointed out that McGarrett, like the actor who portrayed him, aged and could not have been shown dashing up the Grand Staircase forever. I also hold to a point I made that the times changed. By the late 1970s, people expected drama to cause one to think and not merely to entertain. For me, Seasons 10-12 are good ones; they are just different from the earlier ones.

Added: Friday 08 March 2013 00:34:27 MST

Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Chin Ho Kelly - you remember that name

LB sez "As for things that I didn't like about the original show, I would have liked to have seen the supporting cast have more episodes centered around them."

Right on, LB. Jus watched "Engaged 2B Buried" a titanic episode from the legendary 5th season. And man could Kam Fong bring it! He's a powerhouse throughout, confrontin his daughter about her messin round with Rono, goin ballistic on Byrdie in Steve's office, standin his ground when facin down Eric Estrada at the finale, but the best be him roustin’ Shako when Chin tell em:

"You think this is personal - you wrong. This is Five-O!"

Yeah Chin! As for whats not to like: if Chicken gots any beef with a show that was an exercise in sustained excellence for an incredible 9 seasons, and in its finest moments was arguably Too Good fo' TV - it would be killin off Chin in Season 10. That was just wrong, man. Shoulda let Chin retire like Kam wanted. Kam Fong's Chin Ho was an integral, essential part of the show and Ise sure everybody here gots recollections of great Chin moments.

Kudos to Stephen J. Cannell for rightin that wrong and bringin Chin back in the original reboot.

"Engaged 2B Buried" a great example for balance, Jack still got some great scenes in the ep but there's room for Kam and JMac to shine here. I enjoy the Danno centric eps too and thought MacArthur could definetly carry the show. But McGarrett still 'The Man' as the original title suggest and as much as I likes seein the rest of the cast featured, too little a Jack’s Steve-O have Chicken clamorin' - Where's McGarrett? More McGarrett!

That being said, the entire cast had actin chops to burn and they certainly coulda been utilized more. Al Harrington for instance gots a great screen presence, long with an athletic frame an leadin man looks, you could imagin him leadin the team. Hey, its 2013 not 1968 – someone need axe Les Moonves and Lenkov: Where’s the Hawaiian head of Hawaii Five-O, brudda?

Added: Thursday 07 March 2013 21:55:34 MST

Submitted by: Bill K.
From: Detroit area

Not disagreeing with basic arguments, but a few fact checking things:

--executive producer credits: Two men did get the credit after Leonard Freeman: Philip Leacock during season 9 (he had the title of supervising producer in season 8) and Douglas Green (roughly first half of season 10).

--shows that ran longer than the original Five-O. Don't forget Gunsmoke (1955-75), which had 20 seasons just like Law and Order. James Arness and Milburn Stone were on all 20 seasons, Amanda Blake was on for 19. Arness did get some kind of reduced work schedule in the later seasons. In a number of episodes, he shows up for a few minutes because he had been out of town.

Added: Thursday 07 March 2013 20:06:16 MST

Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

Five-O Forever,

I had not read that "Number One With A Bullet" was supposed to be the swan song at one time for the series. Can you provide some more details on that? Do you know if they were going to save that story for the end of the season if true? I would have thought that the series would have ended with Wo Fat being captured if they knew ahead of time that the series was ending. I doubt that this particular storyline would have worked in a Wo Fat story, as control of the Honolulu disco scene would not likely have been something he would have been interested in given his prior appearances.

I don't feel that Lord would have kept the others from getting more episodes written around them if it was something that would make the series better. Incidentally, I'm not suggesting that they should have handled this in the way that 2.0 does, which is to the point of making the McGarrett character look weak. I just felt the other cast members were underrated and could have been the headliner a little more often and made the series even better.

While I believe in hindsight that the series would have been better off to have ended after S10, I agree with the poster who said that he is glad that we have these episodes to watch now (Seasons 10-12), even if they are not as good as the early ones. Ending the series earlier with a better final episode would likely have not won over many people at the time, as this series was never a favorite of TV critics. In addition, there are very few long running TV series that have actually improved in their final couple of seasons.

Added: Thursday 07 March 2013 19:11:30 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Jack did, indeed, want to be a silent partner. He was a silent partner on "Stoney Burke," as well. Why? I have no idea. Perhaps, it was his hope to fit in better as a member of the cast if his producer status weren't broadcast??? Perhaps, there were other reasons???

As Vrinda pointed out, he did not want his name to be shown as producer in the credits. By the same token, when Len Freeman died, Jack did not want anyone else's name to go down as Executive Producer. Thus, we did not start seeing Rose Freeman's name. And, again, we did not start seeing Jack's name.

Let's remember that Five-0 taped 14-16 hours a day, six days each week. In addition, Jack was on the telephone with the Freemans and network officials starting at 6:00 am HST, which was 8:00 am PST. He had a direct line to the West Coast in order to facilitate those calls.

Jack and Len had it set up where Len would manage the show from Hollywood, locating scripts, actors, etc., while Jack managed it in Hawai'i, ensuring that everything came off on schedule. That did not leave time for chewing people out, rewriting scripts, taking all the lines for himiself, or otherwise running amok.

Added: Thursday 07 March 2013 18:44:18 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Thanks, H5.O! I couldn't have said it better. Jack was the name and face most visible and therefore most closely associated with the series, but he was not the only one involved, nor did he ever take full credit for doing so. Jack always spoke highly of his co-stars and crew whenever possible.

Since he was the person most closely associated with the show, the most recognizable face, plus the star and the one people saw more of on screen, he got more flack when things went wrong, even if they were not his fault, and he was the easiest target of the press when they wanted to complain about something they didn't like.

I have found some more information on the position of an actor as producer, which can provide us some food for thought and discussion, but I will share it tomorrow, pending having the time to type it all out.

Added: Thursday 07 March 2013 18:43:10 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Re: "So was JL to blame for supporting characters not getting more screen time ( as he was the star of the show and perhaps did not want to give up on being the center of attention???) and for the downward spiral of the show starting with season 10. And if he WAS so involved with the show why did he not get a producing credit?”

Come on, Tony – puh-leez! Are we going to go around this issue again and again again? People get as much air time and as many speaking lines as their contracts stipulate. Union contracts call for them to be paid based on air time and lines spoken. The producer and network watch the budget very carefully and cut corners wherever possible. On H50, where production costs were so high, there wasn’t much left over for giving the entire Five-0 team star status, air time, lines of script, etc.

As for "the downward spiral of the show starting with season 10”, shows last an average of 5 years. They are considered enormously successful if they last 7 years. At 10 years, everyone was tired. You could see it in their faces. Kam Fong (Chin Ho) was born in 1918, meaning he was 50 when Five-0 began and 60 when Season 10 rolled around. It is quite understandable that he was ready to leave the show at the end of that season. Jack spoke to the networks about ending Five-0 at the end of Season 11; in fact, "Number One With a Bullet” was supposed to be its swan song. But, no. The network wanted to go on. At that point, JMac already had made other plans, so there was no Danno in Season 12 – and it hurt just as badly as the fatigue everyone was experiencing.

The only series to last longer (to date) was the original Law & Order. But did you notice? Actors and characters did not go the distance. Michael Moriarty was replaced by Sam Waterston as the ADA. Steven Hill was replaced by Fred Dalton Thompson and Dianne Weist as the DA. Jerry Orbach passed away. In the end, Sam Waterston lasted the longest, and he joined the show in the fourth season. Although he appeared for 16 seasons, he only appeared in half of each episode (the police appeared in the first half). The producer / creator had not passed away. The show was filmed on a Hollywood sound stage, not on islands in the middle of the Pacific. Etc., so forth, and so on.

It’s ridiculous to blame Jack Lord for all the show’s problems, just as it is ridiculous to give him all the credit -- like maybe one person could do it all. There were producers, network executives, sponsors, the anti-violence brigade, and who knows how many other interests to please. There were the cast and crew to manage. Jack held owner interest in the production, but he wasn’t the whole show. The Freemans still owned their shares. CBS still owned their shares. Jack was just the most visible and took the heat. Let’s turn the heat off, shall we? He did his best – and far more than most of us could do – to make Five-0 a success. Let’s settle back, put on a DVD, and chill out to the beat of the snazziest theme song ever!

Added: Thursday 07 March 2013 18:25:39 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.


Jack was in no way responsible for the other cast members not getting more screen time. He did not get a producer's credit because he didn't want one. H5.O 1.0 can explain that one better, because she read the interview where he explains why. In essence, Jack said that Leonard Freeman was the only executive producer the show would have, and said he (Freeman) was the only one who should be credited as such.

There is no proof that Jack kept his co-stars from getting more screen time, despite what some ignorant, nasty writers have said over the years. Too many people revise and edit the script from the time the writer submits it to when the production of that episode is complete for one person to change it around to his/her liking and keep it that way.

All the show's writers were freelancers living on the mainland. None of them had been to Hawaii and Leonard Freeman didn't want them to come, because if they were there, they would write the scripts like travelogues and not like a crime show. They would be given general instructions - probably through the story editor, Lenny, or Jack or a combination of them - and write their story and mail it in. When Lenny Freedman was alive, he would get the scripts in LA, read them, and make a decision on whether or not to use them. He would read the scripts to his partner, Henry Colman, who would give him his feedback (Colman said this in an interview with The Archive of American Television). They would make whatever changes they wanted, then send them to Hawaii. Jack, the story editor, and the other producers would all have their chance to read and edit them, and the director could make more changes during filming, if he needed to. That is the protocol TV shows follow.

Jack was not the final person in the sequence to get these scripts, and copies of scripts I have seen over the years with Jack's editing notes in them indicate he only changed things like spelling, punctuation, word choice, and sentence structure. No scripts where Danno and Chin's names are crossed out above their lines and replaced with Steve's have ever turned up, nor have any of the writers, directors, or producers ever said anything to that effect. Because he was the star of the show, his character took the lead in investigations, and the press was maligning him right and left, it was predictable that they would spread this rumor that Jack wouldn’t let his costars get more lines and that he changed the scripts. However, there is no physical evidence to support those claims, the procedure for script writing and revision hasn’t changed much since the ‘70s, and is detailed more accurately in many books and other sources, so there can’t be any confusion as to how the process works or that several people are involved in it. It’s not the work of one person.

I should also add, the cast and crew were paid very well. They also got pay raises. His co-stars wouldn’t be getting paid so well if Jack was cutting their scenes all the time. I’m looking for newspaper article where it gives the statistics on how much money each episode brought in.

Added: Thursday 07 March 2013 18:11:07 MST

Submitted by: Tony
From: SF

So was JL to blame for supporting characters not getting more screen time ( as he was the star of the show and perhaps did not want to give up on being the center of attention???) and for the downward spiral of the show starting with season 10. And if he WAS so involved with the show why did he not get a producing credit?

I also felt cheated by the way they had no ending for Dano. I mean JM was with the show 11 years. At least with KF they gave the character closure though I would have preferred that they send him off somewhere rather than do him off.

Added: Thursday 07 March 2013 15:12:54 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

From Hawaii Five-0 Undercover on Facebook:

Is the new Five-0 too violent?


Added: Thursday 07 March 2013 08:00:07 MST

Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

While the stories were generally not as good as what had come before, seasons 10-12 were also hurt by the pacing and the music. Shows in those years moved at a more plodding pace, and the music did not add to the suspense of the shows as well as in the past. If memory serves me correctly, Mort Stevens did not score the series as much in seasons 10 and 11 before returning in season 12, but I am not sure about that. If true, this would explain these issues.

Another thing that was noticeable was characters just going through the motions at times. James MacArthur seemed bored for most of season 11's episodes, and Kam Fong is hardly seen at all for most of season 10 before meeting his end. William Smith started season 12 on a strong note, but barely appeared to have a pulse after about the first four or five episodes. Also, while I am certainly not a proponent of professional dress, season 11's introduction of leisure suits took away some intensity and seriousness from many of the episodes in my view, not to mention that the scripts were generally weaker during this time.

As for things that I didn't like about the original show, I would have liked to have seen the supporting cast have more episodes centered around them. Every time that James MacArthur was featured more than normal, think "Beautiful Screamer", "Most Likely To Murder", "For A Million, Why Not?", and "The Bomber And Mrs. Moroney", he did a great job and carried those episodes. Scott Caan would not have handled these episodes nearly as well as JMac did. Kam Fong and Zulu handled more responsibility well in "Cry, Lie" and "The Ransom" respectively. Even Sharon Farrell did well in "Who Says Cops Don't Cry?", and William Smith in "A Lion In The Streets". To use a basketball analogy, Jack Lord did not have to shoot the basketball every time down the floor for his team to win. His supporting cast was very solid and underrated.

Added: Wednesday 06 March 2013 20:59:16 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Tony, Jack himself even said that everyone was tired of doing the show by the time Season 10 came. They didn't expect to be doing it that long. In interviews Jack gave in the early seventies, he said he wasn't sure if Five-O would be returning for the next season. There was no guarantee of even a five-year run, let along a 12-year one. Jack also had other problems during the 10th season which gave him that tired look you're talking about.

He was fighting for control of the show with CBS, and no one was sure that there would be a Season 11. CBS was trying to take too much control of the show, evident in that CBS executive who issued that order that all violence be taken out of crime shows. If CBS got the control of the show that they wanted, things might have gotten worse. Also, with producing a show and playing the lead, Jack's energies were drained.

Added: Wednesday 06 March 2013 18:48:44 MST

Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

ringfire - I agree with you about REBELS ... Stephen Boyd is one of those powerful guest stars that can hold his own with JL.

I've posted before about the scene when McG and Boyd as the fake Fr. Costigan go head to head on the playground at St. Claire's orphanage. The dialogue. The actors. Good stuff.

Added: Wednesday 06 March 2013 17:52:47 MST

Submitted by: Tony
From: SF

Lets hope they remaster season 10 dvds as well, the quality is horrible, blury, muddy loooking, luckily I was able to get a refund from Blockbuster on this season. What an insult to fans. I do not do teh Netflix streaming thing either.

Vrinda I agree there are some good episodes but there are also some really boring and slow, uninspired episodes that were a challenge to get thru for me. I also noticed some weariness in Lord's acting, and his reading of q cards was VERY noticable in season 10.

I understand the show had to adapt to the times but in doing so they took most of the bite out of the show.

Added: Wednesday 06 March 2013 15:35:57 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Jeff was e-mailing me in August 2011 about the remastered season 10 shows seen on Netflix. I think these are also available for download from Amazon. But I don't know if there was ever a posting about this in the discussion forum.

"Checked just about all of the S10 shows on Netflix and they have indeed swapped out the crappy DVD prints for pristine remastered prints in HD. 'Descent of the Torches' looked stunning with all of the Hilo island scenery, btw.

"I'm not quite sure why I would ever watch the S10 DVD set again, knowing that I can simply turn on Netflix for my $8/mo and watch the remastered versions instead (and in HD)."

(However, Jeff noted that in the original non-remastered versions which Netflix showed prior to this, the music edits in shows like Joey Kalima were NOT done, whereas in the remastered versions, the cuts (same as on the DVDs) were.)

Added: Wednesday 06 March 2013 14:54:16 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.


Thank you for your commentary on the episodes you saw from Season 10. You hit the nail on the head as far as the change and growth in McGarrett's personality and character are concerned. What you point out is something many people miss or ignore when they talk about Steve McGarrett: that he never showed personality or changed in any way. As he got older, he became wiser, and with this wisdom, he went about his work differently, trying to teach those around him what he gathered. If he remained the same inert, stern, hard-headed, take no prisoners cop from the earlier seasons, he would have become predictable and people wouldn't find those personality traits as endearing or exciting anymore.

As for Season 10's picture quality on Netflix: people on Netflix complained that the quality was not as good as previous seasons, so CBS/Paramount remastered those episodes, but just for Netflix, not any future DVD released.

Added: Wednesday 06 March 2013 14:34:06 MST

Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I rented Five-0 season 10, disc 1 from Netflix and watched it over the weekend (since I planned to stop with the DVD purchases after season 9). Anyway, I watched the first 4 episodes of the 10th season and was quite entertained by them. I haven't seen these episodes for over 10 years. Maybe 15 years. The weakest of those 4 was probably "You Don't See Many Pirates These Days" but it was still good enough. The best guest performances were by far Stephen Boyd in "Up the Rebels" and Jean Simmons in "The Cop on the Cover" - those 2 Hollywood icons contributed greatly to what could have been fairly average episodes.

While these episodes weren't quite as fresh or as suspenseful or as hard-hitting as the earlier seasons they were still very good so people who tend to bash the post-season 9 episodes or call them "unwatchable" should seriously re-evaluate them. It's still Five-0 and still leagues ahead of other stuff that was being shown on TV at the time. Seriously! It actually shows an evolution of the show with McG becoming more of a public speaker and moralizer as opposed to just the "pure cop" that he was in the earlier seasons. I don't mind this at all. With age Jack Lord had to slow down a bit so it made sense for him to take on a slightly different role. Also the crackdown on TV violence meant the show needed to adapt to the changes in order to survive. I actually enjoy seeing McG moralizing from time to time (as he did regarding the dead children of Ireland in "Rebels") - it brings out the human side of him. With age he sees more and more horrific things going on around him. Can't just tune it all out. Also I enjoyed seeing McG give a lecture in a class for policemen's wives in "The Friends of Joey Kalima". Lots of hot wives there by the way. It makes sense for an aging veteran cop like McG to be invited to be a guest speaker at such events. It lends credibility to the show and shows its evolution. We don't need to see a 57-year old McG running down palace steps 2 or 3 steps at a time. It was fine in 1968. Not so much in 1978.

Finally I enjoyed Morton Stevens' score. Even by the 10th season he still had the magic! There is a great piece of music (I wonder if Mr. Mike has this somewhere amongst his audio files) which plays in 2 of the episodes. In "The Cop on the Cover" it plays when Henry Darrow gets on Moe Keale's bus to leave the ransom package and it's used extensively in "Joey Kalima" towards the end when the bad guys are tunneling into the bank and when McG and Joey are investigating the records store and crawling in after the bad guys. It's a fantastic piece - I don't know if this was heard in any of the previous seasons. I have yet to go through season 9 but I don't recall hearing it in seasons 1-8. Wonder if this was created by Stevens for season 10. Any ideas?

Also as for the picture quality yes it's very noticeable that this season was not remastered - looks like they just took the TV print. Still, I've read some reviews on Amazon that the video and audio quality is so bad that it's unwatchable. I think that's a huge exaggeration. I noticed some audio issues in "Pirates" but the other 3 episodes seemed fine. In any case it's still better than what I used to see on TV - even without the remastering. One strange thing I noticed is that when streaming on Netflix these episodes seem to be remastered - this was especially evident with "Pirates" where the audio/video seemed top-notch, unlike the DVD. Any ideas about this?

Added: Wednesday 06 March 2013 11:58:29 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Can anyone make it to Austin this weekend to check this out?


Added: Wednesday 06 March 2013 07:32:57 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver


Question: Anything on Hawaii Five-0? Particularly Danny-related, if you don’t mind. –Sarah

Ausiello: Done, and done: Later this season, when Five-0 hunts an abductor of little girls, Danny-the-dad, as you can imagine, gets especially aggressive — to the point that he even must hand over his badge to Steve.

Sounds like a rehash of the episode where Danno's daughter was kidnapped...

As to Danno giving up his badge, why bother? Five-0 almost gets away with murder to solve cases (yes, I know Danno is more "by the book" than McGoo, but...)!

By the way, check this link out, if you think that Five-0's Supercomputer is just a fantasy:


Added: Wednesday 06 March 2013 07:25:24 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Re: "Anyway I will take the lesser shows over anything on network tv today esp the redux 5 O."

On that, we agree completely.

Added: Tuesday 05 March 2013 19:34:26 MST

Submitted by: Barbara
From: Pittsburgh

Things I don't like about the old show include whenever a captured suspect is told that he or she is going to spend a long, long time in jail. While I understand such pronouncements are for effect, they are premature. Even the suspects are just that until convicted. I also get frustrated when Chin Ho is given only a line or two, seemingly to fit him in somewhere, especially in the later seasons.

Added: Tuesday 05 March 2013 18:35:28 MST

Submitted by: Tony
From: SF

h50 1.o ooops hope I didn't come off as a hater. I agree with all you say, I just prefer the local crime stories they dealt with better.

I understand the characters joking too, that is very close to reality as I know a few cops and yes it is to relieve the tansion. But the lighthearted episodes are not my favorites. Just watched the paperhanger ep from season 9 and I just could not get into it.

Anyway I will take the lesser shows over anything on network tv today esp the redux 5 O.

Added: Tuesday 05 March 2013 17:45:05 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

You get up on the wrong side of the bed, Tony?

I happen to like the espionage stories. Besides, McGarrett was a naval intelligence officer. His job was to keep the spies from infiltrating the islands. Otherwise, they might as well have named the show HPD Five-0. In reality, many of the cases they worked would have fallen under HPD purview, after all.

The light-hearted moments served as much needed comic relief from very serious stories. Of course, they did go overboard in such episodes as "The Bark and The Bite." Come on! A dog licking McGarrett? For antics on the set, fine, but not on screen.

As for the episode with Andy Griffith, heaven help us. His character was as corney as Andy of Mayberry. Sheesh!

Added: Tuesday 05 March 2013 15:36:09 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.


The foreign intrigue/spy/espionage shows were an addition that added variety to the types of storylines. Wo Fat showed up maybe once a year at the most, unlike on the new show, where he is there in every other episode. I like it when they brought in Dr. Ormsbee (Pat Hingle). His and McGarrett's discord and Steve finding some way to have him arrested in the end were enjoyable.

I liked certain episodes from Seasons 10, 11, and 12. I'm happy the show lasted 12 seasons and we have all these episodes to enjoy - good or bad. With all the rotten shows around today that remain on the air as long, if not longer, I'm not going to complain about Five-O last three seasons too harshly.

I will say that the number of episodes of I didn't like ranged from 1-2 per season until I got to Season 9. In Season 9, there were 4 episodes I didn't like. In Season 10, there were only 2 that I can remember. I haven't seen all of Seasons 11 and 12, so I can't comment there.

What I didn't like:

McGarrett being too firm a believer in the law. We know how corrupt the justice system is, and it was not all rosy on Five-O. Steve was nearly destroyed because of it in "V For Vashon: The Patriarch."

There's a little more, but I'm low on time so I'll talk about them in my next post.

Added: Tuesday 05 March 2013 14:58:06 MST

Submitted by: Tony
From: SF

What are some things you DISLIKE about the original show?

Ok so first I want to say I love the original yet there are some aspects of the show that I really do not care for.

I do not like it when they try to be cute and jokey.

I do not like the "whimsical" episodes with the exceptions of the Andy Griffith and Helen Hayes entries.

I cannot tolerate the convoluted/complicated spy/foreign intrigue episodes. Sorry Mike as you seem to really enjoy them.

I wish they had added Amanda Mcbroom to the cast as a reguler, that may have improved the final 3 seasons.

I HATE seasons 10,11 and 12.

Added: Tuesday 05 March 2013 13:42:24 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Fantastic clip, Eppadon! Thanks for sharing it with us. I've added a link to it under Al Harrington's / Ben Kokua's bio on my Five-0 website. All Five-0 fans, old and new, will enjoy watching it.

Notice, in December 1957, 20 months before Statehood, the mainland panel was completely lost on the subject. I'll bet you'd see a completely different reaction from a similar panel today. Little by little, we are learning about our newest state and its Polynesian neighbors.

Added: Monday 04 March 2013 05:53:15 MST

Submitted by: epaddon
From: New Jersey

Just in case this hasn't been posted before, here's Al Harrington appearing on the game show "To Tell The Truth" on December 17, 1957 as a Samoan dancer/College football player and the celebrity panel of Polly Bergen-Ralph Bellamy-Kitty Carlisle-Hy Gardner must figure which is the real Al Harrington. Five-O fans will know right away!


Added: Sunday 03 March 2013 14:18:59 MST

Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Nope, the young hitman in "Nine, Ten, You're Dead" was played by Frank Webb, who died young while still in his 20s in 1974.

Added: Sunday 03 March 2013 13:32:20 MST

Submitted by: Ray
From: Burbank

"I thought Rick, the stud "servicing" Bonnie Soames, was the same guy who was in Draw Me a Killer (the boyfriend of the old rich bag played by 1940's screen bombshell Audrey Totter), but he is not. But I think I have seen the actor playing Rick somewhere else on the show, though."

Wasn't this actor the young hitman in "Nine,Ten-You're Dead"?

Added: Saturday 02 March 2013 23:29:15 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Variations on the "What have we got?" expression - "What have we got, Che?"; "What have we got, Doc?"; "What have we got, Danno?"

When Doc uses too much medical jargon: "In English, Doc!"

Added: Saturday 02 March 2013 13:43:10 MST

Submitted by: Barbara
From: Pittsburgh

McGarrett, when he is about to float a theory or make an accusation: "I submit...."

Added: Friday 01 March 2013 19:02:43 MST

Submitted by: Tony
From: SF

"Top priority" love it the way he puts such conviction into those words.

Added: Friday 01 March 2013 17:12:44 MST

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