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Harry Guardino...good also in "Trouble in Mind", perfect casting. In "A thousand pardons..." (His line by the way) he has sort hair and he can at least pass for Navy. A few seasons later in "Murder..Eyes Only" he is a Navy officer, but with long hair, sideburns, moustache, ill fitting uniform, the worst casting ever.
Newport Beach, CA USA - Tuesday, March 31, 2009 at 19:09:47 (PST)
Harry Guardino as Sgt. Simms. The dialogue between him and mcgarrett while shooting pool. very chilling...
somerville, MA United States of America - Tuesday, March 31, 2009 at 17:48:42 (PST)
What about "The Beast" from Sweet Terror? And Charlie Bombay. My top two for season 2.
Newport Beach, CA USA - Tuesday, March 31, 2009 at 17:40:07 (PST)
"Ok, enough with the crickets" Hey! Nadja can talk about crickets if it pleases her and especially if it reminds her to watch H50! Freedom of speech and all that?!
down , with fascism! - Tuesday, March 31, 2009 at 16:14:01 (PST)
hi my name is susan and l been the fan of hawaii five o since it started in 1968 till it stop 1983 and now l started to get the dvd of hawaii five o and it was the very good series of the time and it still is with me and l never miss the series while it on and l still like watching it now and it been back past of good things and it was sad when he died jack lord he eas lovley and l went mad over him and they all died but one than is danny still alive and what he doing now bye for now
scunthorpe, uk england - Tuesday, March 31, 2009 at 11:40:34 (PST)
Oh, and Mark Lenard in To Hell With Babe Ruth. Just kidding!
Columbus, OH USA - Tuesday, March 31, 2009 at 09:22:36 (PST)
Runners up: Tom Skerritt, William Windom, Ed Flanders, Christopher Walken, Martin Sheen. And the ones you mentioned, too.
Columbus, OH USA - Tuesday, March 31, 2009 at 09:21:02 (PST)
Probably the spoiled heiress in The Joker's Wild. This might be my favorite season two episode, I love the off the wall plot and the kinky characters!
Columbus, OH USA - Tuesday, March 31, 2009 at 09:15:49 (PST)
Ok, enough with the crickets. So guys/gals, who would you say is your favorite season 2 villain (excluding Wo of course)? Mine has always been Eric Braeden as Dr. Paul Farrar (the best of his 3 performances!!) as the brainwashing professor who hypnotizes his students to commit political assassinations. "A Bullet for McGarrett" is my favorite episode of season 2 (alongside "The Singapore File"). Other standout villains would be Harry Guardino as Sgt. Simms in "A Thousand Pardons -- You're Dead", Albert Paulsen as Charley Bombay in "Just Lucky, I Guess", and of course as previously mentioned David Arkin as Gorge Loman in "Killer Bee". Anyone else?
Philadelphia, PA USA - Tuesday, March 31, 2009 at 07:47:55 (PST)
That's nice, Kimo. I miss such noises here in Germany. We have 41° F and the crickets are frozen, I guess. So I watch H50 because there's always summer ;-)
Berlin, - Monday, March 30, 2009 at 12:38:22 (PST)
- Monday, March 30, 2009 at 12:12:39 (PST)
Hey ringfire...I saw somewhere that an obituary for David Arkin was published in Variety on January 21, 1991 page 95 but you need to be a Variety Digital Subscriber to access the archives. I'm afraid my commitment stops here. I've seen both 1990 and 1991 as the year of death. Looks like 1991 is correct.
Newport Beach, CA USA - Friday, March 27, 2009 at 13:34:21 (PST)
- Friday, March 27, 2009 at 13:10:55 (PST)
"TV companies get us excited and buzzed about a new pilot and then deflate our enthusiasm with a lack of action." No, they don't. "I am not back, on this site" Yes you are! "i dont have time to argue" No, I say ya do. ok, your turn.
- Thursday, March 26, 2009 at 12:38:27 (PST)
Five-O 2.0? hmmm...who knows. TV companies tend to elevate the collective consciousness..get us excited and buzzed about a new pilot and then deflate our enthusiasm with a lack of action.
I am not back, on this site, i dont have time to argue - Thursday, March 26, 2009 at 11:03:14 (PST)
I love everything about Hawaii Five-O and Jack Lord. I play them over and over. I have every season that has been released and anxiously await for the sixth season. I also appreciate all the actors, the writers, producers, everyone involved in the show. Thank you very much, Carol
Carol C. Christian
Gallatin, TN USA - Thursday, March 26, 2009 at 05:34:46 (PST)
"Parts of the bankrupt Ilikai Hotel, the setting for many famous historical scenes from "Hawaii Five-O," will be part of a noon auction on April 15."
- Thursday, March 26, 2009 at 04:23:15 (PST)
there are plenty heiau throughout Hawaii. And the american government has seen fit to come here and obliterate the many luakini heiau (and other heiau) which were (are) seen by kanaka maoli as their own "war memorial" but they are no more. Paved over by tract houses. Multiple freeways. Shopping centers. The state of Hawaii cares very little for recent or ancient history and that which is held in reverence by many.
- Thursday, March 26, 2009 at 02:59:53 (PST)
when are we going to start shooting a 'new' 5.0, so we can inject some financial help into honolulu and SAVE THE Natatorium. We can not allow it to be demolished it is a War MEMORIAL !
honolulu, hi uSA - Wednesday, March 25, 2009 at 20:24:58 (PST)
Any background on David Arkin's suicide? Anyone? Mr. Mike?
Philadelphia, PA USA - Tuesday, March 24, 2009 at 06:13:22 (PST)
ew. pornography enters the H50 site.
- Monday, March 23, 2009 at 22:36:45 (PST)
According to IMDB, Sam Melville died of a heart attack in 1989 at age 52. Hardly as spectacular as some of the other people you mention. Melville got his start in films in 1966, acting under the name of Neville Coward, in a really crappy low-budget soft-core porno movie called A Smell of Honey, a Swallow of Brine (1966). In this film, Melville plays Lowell Carter. He falls in love with the office nymphomaniac who likes to seduce men and then cry "Rape." Sam's character becomes totally obsessed with sex (including some pretty rank S&M fantasies) to the point where he rapes some other woman and is shot dead by her outraged husband!
Vancouver, BC Canada - Monday, March 23, 2009 at 14:24:46 (PST)
When you appear in a Hawaii based TV show, then must go back to Haolewood, it is a depressing prospect. I can see the inevitable happening.
take me back, country road, to da place I belong.... awoooo! - Monday, March 23, 2009 at 11:58:06 (PST)
Not sure why guest stars on Hawaii Five-0 commit suicide but you can add Ed Flanders to the list also...It seems alot of these stars die young. By suicide or unfortunate events. Sal Mineo, Vic Morrow, John Ritter and Sam Melville
Philadelphia, PA USA - Monday, March 23, 2009 at 11:35:56 (PST)
The natatorium, (or the crumblatorium, or nomoreatorium) a star in many five oh eps, is slated for a certain destiny; soon. Either demolition or relocation, (facade only). Saving it everyone seems to thing is throwing good money after bad. a money pit in the water...
- Monday, March 23, 2009 at 11:17:55 (PST)
I agree that Arkin was quite effective as George Loman in "Killer Bee". A very good episode! David Arkin starred in a few high-profile films of the 70s (M*A*S*H, Nashville, All the President's Men) but really didn't do much of anything else. His IMBD credits list is quite short. Anyone have any background info surrounding his suicide? I know that Albert Salmi (who played Vince Ryan in season 3's "The Payoff") also died of suicide and you can find numerous sources of information regarding his murder-suicide. He first killed his wife before taking his own life. It also mentions that he was very frustrated with Hollywood and how actors with great talents get overlooked very often while "celebrities" with no acting talent get the jobs instead. Salmi was suffering from serious depression during the end days of his life.
Philadelphia, PA USA - Monday, March 23, 2009 at 10:41:45 (PST)
Watched "Killer Bee" with David Arkin as "George Loomis" the "friend" of a supposedly psychotic Vietnam vet. But we find out that it's "George" who is the real psycho. His character is very dark, very creepy. I was thinking man, this guy is a pretty good actor. So I looked him up on IMDB and it lists his death in 1991 as suicide. Now, I realize that a lot of years had passed between this Five-0 ep and his death, but it was interesting because he was so convincing playing the part of a very troubled person.
Newport Beach, CA USA - Sunday, March 22, 2009 at 17:03:22 (PST)
Yeah, Kimo, I always found him pretty cool. It's too bad he died so early.
Berlin, - Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 12:24:10 (PST)
Nadja. UNko Moe was da bestest. he was involved with many local cultrure concerns... sang at da Sheraton here often. have many clips of him in other programs... He was cool. Coulda carried as series on his own.
- Friday, March 20, 2009 at 22:47:56 (PST)
"You are correct sir!"
Newport Beach, CA USA - Friday, March 20, 2009 at 18:50:44 (PST)
rick, the quote is from The Singapore File.
somerville, Mass - Friday, March 20, 2009 at 18:38:24 (PST)
My tonight's ep. was "Highest castle, deepest grave" I could watch it again and again. The plot, the music...And Moe gives me always a hard laugh when he points at Mondrago's living room and says to McGarrett "Go!"
Berlin, - Friday, March 20, 2009 at 12:35:58 (PST)
Okay, okay, ;-) And now where you mentioned them all...Maybe I have to go back to season 1. I remember Nehemiah Persoff in "Deathwatch". That was for sure a great performance.
Berlin, - Friday, March 20, 2009 at 11:25:42 (PST)
Rick, if it's not a Wo Fat line then I give up. Nadja, when I say "villain" I don't mean in the stereotypical James Bond or Batman fashion. I mean the bad guy/gal of the season. You can't seriously tell me that there are no memorable baddies besides Wo Fat and Big Chicken in season 1. What about Andrew Duggan in the pilot, Kevin McCarthy in "Full Fathom", Simon Oakland in "Strangers", Sam Melville in "Tiger/Tail", Montalban in "Samurai", John Larch in "Yesterday Died", Nehemiah Persoff/James Shigeta in "Deathwatch", Ed Flanders in "UpTight", Paul Collins in "One for the Money", Joanne Linville in "Once Upon", Sally Kellerman in "Big Kahuna", Anne Helm in "By the Numbers". All memorable!
Philadelphia, PA USA - Friday, March 20, 2009 at 11:13:58 (PST)
I think aside Woe Fat and Big Chicken there're no really villains in season 1. I like the slugfest between McG and Dr.Fremont from "Once upon a time" but she's no villain in the classical meaning. And I like McGarrett as villain in "The ways of love" ;-)
Berlin, - Friday, March 20, 2009 at 11:03:50 (PST)
Sounds like it would be, but not from a Wo Fat ep.
Newport Beach, CA USA - Friday, March 20, 2009 at 10:54:46 (PST)
Rick, that sounds like a Wo Fat line. DeliWaiter, I agree with you about Sam Melville in "Tiger by the Tail" and that great line of his "There's no way, baby, but no WAAAAAYYYYYY!!". Easily the best of his 3 Five-0 performances! I also love the way he progresses from a practical joker to a chilling psycho. Another chilling villain with a rather charming facade was Kevin McCarthy in "Full Fathom Five" -- probably my second fave villain from season 1. But Gavin as "Chicken" is still NUMERO UNO for SEASON UNO!
Philadelphia, PA USA - Friday, March 20, 2009 at 10:46:53 (PST)
Almost the 70's anyway. A different time was my point.
Newport Beach, CA USA - Friday, March 20, 2009 at 10:34:32 (PST)
The exchange between McG and Big Chicken in "They Painted Daisy's..." is Five-0 at it's best for sure. Good observation about the relatively brief screen time yet a huge impact on the ep. Many Five-0 bad guys played their character over the top, including Gavin Mcleod but it worked beautifully. Maybe because it was the 70's ? ...I think Mike alludes to the sexuality angle in his analysis of "The Box". What about a favorite bad guy other than Wo Fat for the whole series ? I like Ross Martin as Tony Alika in the later eps. I'm gonna think about others... O.K. this might be too easy but, what ep is this from? "Believe me Mr. McGarrett, I would prefer to just kill the woman. But as a reasonable man, you understand that I cannot possibly let you live."
Newport Beach, CA USA - Friday, March 20, 2009 at 10:31:25 (PST)
My fave 5-O villian from Season One goes to Sam Melville in "Tiger By The Tail" by where I believe he ushers in modern surf slang when he exclaims "there's now way baby, there's...no WAYyyyyyyyyyyyyyy", that he and his pal can be linked to the singer's kidnapping. He really turns from a happy go lucky guy to murderous psycho PDQ, making the adage "friends are the first to screw you over" carry tonnage. Lots of local flavor in this one and fast pace of this particular ep, making it one of the best from the inaugural season. Sam went on to make TV history in the "Rookies"lasting six years throughout the 70's. He died around 1989. Mahalo, Sam and Aloha.
PS, CA USA - Friday, March 20, 2009 at 10:09:56 (PST)
Who is your favorite season 1 villain on the show (excluding Wo Fat)? Mine has to be "Big Chicken" awesomely played by Gavin MacLeod! An Emmy-worthy performance for sure (right alongside Hume Cronyn). It's a shame he only appeared in 2 episodes. He was definitely someone you loved to hate. A slimy dope pusher, as McGarrett called him. There was always something amazing about him -- the way he spoke. The way he pronounced his words. Soft-spoken and smooth at times. Erratic, unpredictable, and down-right ruthless at other times. I loved how the writers gave us only a small sample of him in "And They Painted Daisies on His Coffin" (even in his brief appearance he made quite an impact) but then REALLY delivered his character to us in the electrifying "The Box"! Also, did anyone ever get the impression that his character may have been gay? At times it seemed almost like he was getting off on McGarrett's voice... getting overly excited around such a dominating force as McG! There was a certain feminine aura about him.
Philadelphia, PA USA - Friday, March 20, 2009 at 07:36:35 (PST)
Mr. Bernero: Thank you so much for reviving one of my favorite shows, Hawaii Five-O. The things that keep me watching reruns over and over of that show: #1 is the theme song. When you hear first few measures of the music you see the waves of surf in your mind. TV shows now do not have theme songs and I miss that. Who did not associate Dragnet with "dum de dum dum"? #2 is the writing of the show. I especially liked the Hume Cronyn character trying to outsmart McGarrett and the boy who believed the comics were real and that he was protecting Junie Moon. The character of McGarrett was great. I did not like the shows that were toward the end where the young woman cop/love interest was brought in. #3 the actors were suited for their roles and I loved when Helen Hayes guest starred. #4 is catch phrase: "book him Danno". The viewer always waited to say it with Steve. #5 The good guys were good and they stayed good unlike shows of today where the writers delve into the psyche and tell us things we don't want to know. Give us heroes again like McGarrett, the Lone Ranger, Roy Rogers so kids can know how a decent person is supposed to behave. I am a fan of Criminal Minds and I do not want to see Hotchner have a love interest other than his wife. Get them back together and don't have affairs between the characters who work together. It ruins the show.
Dallas, TX USA - Wednesday, March 18, 2009 at 12:56:55 (PST)
Hawaii Five-O is one of my favorite shows from the past. The theme music is still the greatest intro music theme for any show I have ever seen or heard..it is exhilarating and got you ready for the show. The only other theme for a tv show that comes close is the one for NCIS.
Mobile, Al USA - Wednesday, March 18, 2009 at 08:12:36 (PST)
Rick, had a senior moment. Just now noticed the Pantheon comment. I fully am behnd a campaign to get the place reapportioned towards service once again as an old style watering hole. Bring it back to a semblance of its previous life. Reincarnate it. yes, the basic structure is still there. But it is in imminent danger of being totally, fully redone to the point of unrecognizability. And by 'the powers that be' that ya don't wanna mess with. I mean I am very vocal in the media about alotta things that help destroy our old Hawaii... but when I think; ok the Pantheiion bar... good cause célèbre to get going! But man in this lil state, ya gotta watch out whose toes ya step on. Or I'll be on the experiencing end of the old adage "you'll never work in this town again!"
I think, therefore, I... uuuhhh. what was I... - Tuesday, March 17, 2009 at 19:27:06 (PST)
Eye oooh lanny palace! http://www.travelskoot.com/skoots/view/1186-best-art-and-culture-in-hawaii or http://tinyurl.com/cep788 and http://www.travelskoot.com/skoots/video/1189 http://tinyurl.com/d6943n i KNEW I should have produced these shorts myself! dayum! architecture that actually talks to you?! "...astrology center which boasts a state of the art projection system but apologizes for the miniscule bathrooms. .." "...Hilton contains true Hawaiian character..." which one? Kono?! "heated out door pool.." ok, THAT is going much too far for spoiled tourists! "Duke Kahanah Mochuh " mispronounced... out of focus... oh dear. For those unclear on the concept, this is related to Hawaii. and thus, related to H50, the series. How? We would like to, as mentioned before, see the actors pronounce placenames and Hawaiian words correctly. Something that was didn't ahve as much attention paid to it then as maybe should, now, with the new program on the drawing board.
Go big, or go home. - Tuesday, March 17, 2009 at 17:10:00 (PST)
KD, everything's alright, no need to be sorry :-) I hope you won't withdraw from that guestbook. I'm sure it will get better again. And I'm always interested in your two cents :-)
Your two cents, Pleeze! - Tuesday, March 17, 2009 at 14:16:43 (PST)
Regarding plots -- if someone wants to write plots (which I will link to the episodes with full credit to yourself), then contact me through the link at the top of the main guestbook page. A plot must include details of the story of the show, with no commentary. Any analysis or opinion of the show should not be included. I have written a few of these, but there is no way that I will ever finish this project!
Vancouver, BC Canada - Tuesday, March 17, 2009 at 09:38:06 (PST)
Up the rebels is EK sellent! ya know, was thinkin. maybe not this one, but many eps can be the basis for the new eps. Some updating will be needed... But I don't know why that can't be done! (and use the old locations if still around! wheee.)
, - Tuesday, March 17, 2009 at 02:03:29 (PST)
" intentionally run over pedestrians there" but then again, evidence in the daily papers suggest that may be the case, eh? It is an unfortunate side effect/result of this finite land mass being allowed to get so overdeveloped; Big city crime problems abound. Things seen on a weekly basis we never did before. It is the tailbiting syndrome, seen first hand veritably! Graffitti. vandalism. Too many people driving like it's the mainland. No mo aloha. On da streets. In da markets. In da neighborhoods. yea. Too many pedestrians getting hit. jaywalkers AND legal at the light crossers both!
don't blame me, I drive like it's 1963 - Monday, March 16, 2009 at 22:22:54 (PST)
"I was wondering if they are intentionally run over pedestrians there" No da cops are on a warped hunt to track down and whip into submission any and all jaywalkers and ticket them. ONLY there! and this does not exclude lil auntie, uncle, dem... residents of C-town for too long, and now that the islands are getting more screwed... up, the local way of life is going the way of the wind. (no mo roadside vending of local kine kaukau....) But do they ticket or reprimand the multitudinous numerous uncountable unaccountable jaywalkers in Waikiki?! No. Cuz they all tourons. and oh. that would be bad for business! "Kimo, I couldn't find your email " hawaiianrentals at yah who etcetera. (you know how fo spell um.) I will not cuz of spambots.
or kimotikitv, at yah whoo dawt calm - Monday, March 16, 2009 at 21:38:27 (PST)
"Firstly, some of us having been coming to this site for a long time-i stumbled across it when" ..let's see... I first hit this hale back in Sept. 1997. But was an MJQ H50 site reader much before that, I believe...
older than dirt, and almost as dark. - Monday, March 16, 2009 at 21:29:55 (PST)
Dear Nadja-the comment was generic not specifically to you. And, as a veteran of this guestbook, i know how it was before. Take care.
sorry, Nadja :( - Monday, March 16, 2009 at 17:46:13 (PST)
MJQ: One of my all time favorites is "Up The Rebels".(for season ten especially) I was re-reading your analysis and noticed the plot link written by Reg Jones. Yours and his together cover the details nicely. I am really amazed at the vastness of your site. I have read what I thought was a lot of it, but I am constantly finding information I hadn't noticed before. (Like the Reg Jones link) I don't know if I've read 90% of it or 10%. I just keep reading and reading and it never ends. Did you keep track of the hours it took to put this beast together ? (or) Maybe that's a question you don't want to know the answer to. (Or maybe it's in FAQ, I did not look)
Newport Beach, CA Usa - Monday, March 16, 2009 at 17:34:16 (PST)
KD, as for me, I can't remember abusing anyone here if so, my apologies. Second I just wanted to say, that I post what I want to post without a thought of Mr.Bernero and what he might thinks about. Apart from that I'm quite sure in the long run he will do what he thinks is right and the input from here will be of very small importance. But that's my opinion only. No harm meant!
Berlin, - Monday, March 16, 2009 at 14:36:00 (PST)
Nadja et. al Just a quick note perhaps more a clarification and also addressing MJQ's concerns about the site. Firstly, some of us having been coming to this site for a long time-i stumbled across it when i learned of Jack Lord's demise :( so that is just 10 years plus! i went back through the archives and did see what he was alluding to. There was never any open abuse between posters--there was more camaraderie, and yes we focused on Five-O-at that time rumors abound about a movie. There was open discussion and difference of opinion, but not outright abuse. It is not a site about Hawaii per se, but i do see how it factors in the bigger picture, however we need to focus on Five-O. And yes, i care about what Ed thinks because he is a fan and he is at the helm of Five-O 2.0. i care more about what he thinks more than some who wish to merely "nitpick" and provide only a uni-dimensional view. I urge MJQ not to close the guestbook, and intervene from time to time to re-evaluate and re-establish that this is his site for Five-O fans-a labor of love for all! Thank you MJQ-this may be my epitaph on this site.
Hawaii, its my opinion - Monday, March 16, 2009 at 14:11:02 (PST)
I've not had the opportunity to walk Chinatown and see it up close. Always more to do than time will allow when we're in the islands. Next time I'm going to make it a priority to spend time there. Lots of Five-0 locations still there (?) I heard the Pantheon is closed but the storefront is still there. Good info. Thanks Kimo.
Newport Beach, CA USA - Monday, March 16, 2009 at 13:51:29 (PST)
When I was in Honolulu last September I often took TheBus. And when we passed Chinatown there was always the advice to cross the streets only at traffic lights. I was wondering if they are intentionally run over pedestrians there ;-) Kimo, I couldn't find your email :-(
Berlin, - Monday, March 16, 2009 at 13:37:30 (PST)
oh sorry, Rick.: the coffee houses , gift shops and art glleries are the work of local entreprenuers who are working uphill against all odds, (the odd way our local government hates and works against small businesses) and they are all trying to bring back an active safe drug free ( or drug iinexpensive at least) place. day and nite events often... C town is cool in many respects, and ok for that kinda thing. But 'revitalization" has it's side effect. supposedly justified higher rents, no more old turn of the century storefronts, much tighter regulations re; living above your stores...etc. So, the new era of coffee houses and art galleries exist concurrently with quite active open drug dealing day and nite and homeless people living in closed storefronts, sidewalks, parks, etc... I feel for thyem and hand em a sammitch or a couple bux... they are victims of the screwed up situation here. And no one wants to help them and they try to help themselves. Much backstory on that. another time, another place. mahalos for asking!. (It was an element in the old H50, obliquely. But again, the new yawkuh researcher can tellya... etc...)
- Monday, March 16, 2009 at 12:50:37 (PST)
Rick, good question... both are actually happening. Homeless problem is growing in Hawaii. Everyone wants to live here. People move here, invest in land and property. Hope their investment appreciates; natives can no longer afford homes in their own land. Many end up living in parks, on beaches, etc. Drug dealing has always gone been active in C town. The media gets wind of a band aid by cop thing. Get rid of parking spaces, drug dealing supposedly goes away. It's all a joke. C town revitalization means nothing. That word is bandied about by politicians to justify their redevelopment, and change for the sake of change in our towns./ C town used to be charming. tenement homes fulla people that never wanted anything but a cheap palace to live. and they had it for a long time. til they ruined/killed it all. Lotta cool old buildings/shops./ They can't leave well enuff alone. screwed it all up and justified it with that dumb word that now means nothing; revitalize. Did it to Waikiki too. It is 'safe", really. I am there many days and nights a week. You just got to know how to handle the place. Locals do. Foreigners, maybe not. But there are still pockets of old Hawaii to be found, places i would recommend H50 redux to employ as location shoots. I am sure a New York 'researcher" who knows every inch of H50, can help Mr. Bernero on that, even tho the East Coast dude apparently has a disdain for each state the further west it is situated. ha.
- Monday, March 16, 2009 at 12:37:33 (PST)
Hey Kimo, question for you. A few posts back you mentioned Chinatown has changed a lot, and not for the better. The media tells tells two different stories on that subject. I read that it's "revitalized". (which does not appear to be the correct term when referring to an influx of coffee houses and art galleries. I would say that's more gentrification) At the same time I can find articles about an increase in drug deals and the homeless, and that it has become less safe. Hard to believe that both can be true. Which change is the change that is actually happening ?
Newport Beach, CA USA - Monday, March 16, 2009 at 11:59:10 (PST)
"I have the Hawaii Five-0 ring tone, I know every inch of "Hawaii-Five-0, no one knows that show like I do."" Ed, Or rather, Mr. Bernero, I would hire that New Yorker posthaste, if I were you!
c'mon, you GOTTA comment on THIS one! - Monday, March 16, 2009 at 09:29:34 (PST)
Ed, I'm a member of the DGA, I have your business manager's contact info through the DGA directory, but wanted to leave you a message on this site since it pertains to the Hawaii Five-O pilot for the new series. If the Five-O pilot for the new series gets picked up by CBS and is greenlighted, I'm interested in working for the show in a consultants role or in a role as a part-time freelance researcher for the scripts. I'm not interested in full-time employment, as I am not a big fan of California, and I'm quite happy with my current employment situation, but I know every inch of "Hawaii-Five-0." I watched every episode of that show in reruns from the time I was 13,in the early 1980's, and like you I have the Hawaii Five-0 ring tone on my cell phone. I want to make sure that you have the correct story tone in the new show if it is still in the works, and the lack of new information has me doubting it's going forward, but believe me, no one knows that show like I do. So, again if you need an extra set of eyes, I have the industry experience and writing experience that will help you make that show correct in tone, style, and character. Again, not looking for a job on the show, or full-time employment, but would like to add my knowledge of that show in a part-time consultant's or research role, just to make sure that your endeavor succeeds. I've been waiting for the new movie or tv version of our show sinec the 1980's and gave up hope that it would happen. I'm emotionally tied to that show for various reasons. Let's do it right and send me an email, we'll talk. My email address is in the Directors Guild of America directory which only members can access. Look forward to hearing from you.
New York, NY USA - Monday, March 16, 2009 at 08:47:57 (PST)
One of Steve's complaints is that people don't bandy about plot ideas for the new show, but that would be foolish. If somebody has a plot they want to submit, why place it here, leaving it out in the open for somebody else to steal? Likewise, no producer is going to look to a website for story ideas, he has a team of professionals for that, besides, if he did take one of the ideas he might be leaving himself open for a lawsuit. If you have some story ideas for the new series, the best thing to do is write the scripts and get an agent(this isn't always necessary - some shows do read spec scripts, but you still have to contact the studio and fill sign a release form). On the other hand, if people want to just play around with story ideas for the hell of it, without any hope of them ever being used, that's something completely different, and might be kind of fun.
Columbus, OH USA - Monday, March 16, 2009 at 05:21:20 (PST)
"Steve Ridgewood, NJ "... Something? anything?! No? ok. Well, while I am brewing my weekly Kava, I am collecting examples of that which you requested. and it is a formidable paragraph. To say the least. Back later with what you demanded. But feel free to submit that which you deem absent from here. (jeez.. some people's keiki...)
jeez, some people's children. I tellya! - Sunday, March 15, 2009 at 22:10:01 (PST)
I finally pre-ordered Season 6 and can hardly wait for it to arrive. Sadly I must admit I haven't watched all of the other Seasons yet - I've sort of been too busy to even think of watching TV. I'm hoping all of the Seasons will be offered as I'd love to finally get the whole set. I've heard of the other places offering the whole show, but those who I know who did buy them were, for the most, unhappy with them and wish they hadn't spent the time or money getting them as the quality was so poor. For myself...I'll only buy the ones that Amazon are selling.
USA - Sunday, March 15, 2009 at 17:02:03 (PST)
May I ask a question? Is this guestbook only established for Mr.Bernero? I can understand when people here complain that H50 not always is the subject but the last few weeks everybody is concerned what Mr. Bernero is might be thinking and if this guestbook is any use to Mr. Bernero. Sorry, it's not only to discuss the new H50 what keeps me here but discussing a lot around H50, people, eps, music, Hawaii herself. Okay, sometimes there are things not directly related to the show, but anyway, actually I don't care what Mr. Bernero thinks.
Berlin, - Sunday, March 15, 2009 at 11:59:27 (PST)
You can start. Steve, please show us where you offered the aforementioned? mahalo!
- Sunday, March 15, 2009 at 11:34:19 (PST)
" I find almost no discussions regarding cast, locations, writing, editing, cinematography, directing, the score (music), possible plot lines" Ok, next task of mine; I will assemble instances where these were submitted...
- Sunday, March 15, 2009 at 11:13:39 (PST)
When I first stumbled across this site I thought - cool! They're making a new Five-0 and they are asking for input from fans. Though I realize this site is for general discussions regarding H50 as well, I truly expected a constructive forum. But after reading this stuff for the past 3 weeks or so I can only conclude that most - not all - discussions surround certain personalities who insist on unedited posts that rarely have much to do with the subject. I find almost no discussions regarding cast, locations, writing, editing, cinematography, directing, the score (music), possible plot lines or much else that might even be remotely helpful to Ed Bernero (heading up the new Hawaii Five-0) who has actually ASKED US for input. Sad to say most of this looks like instant or text messages that are smarmy, banal and are NON-INCLUSIVE - inside comments for the benefit of one person, not the group. There have been a few (including myself) who have tried to ignore this and come back on topic only to be swatted at for doing so. Too bad. This was a great idea but I doubt Ed is getting much help here. For those of you who have contributed 'on topic' comments - my thanks. They were interesting to read. Good luck.
Ridgewood, NJ USA - Sunday, March 15, 2009 at 11:04:29 (PST)
DeliWaiter, absolutely, I agree 100%. Also, I'm looking forward to season 7 and beyond to release on DVD. Season one through six I pretty much know all the eps by heart, but there are many in the later seasons that I've not seen for a long time. I know there is a lot of interest in Five-0 V2 on this site but 99.9% of my interest is in Five-0 1968-1980.
Newport Beach, CA USA - Sunday, March 15, 2009 at 10:35:49 (PST)
In my experience web chatter always goes through peaks and valleys when with a little lucid thought it can be avoided. If U never ever take anything personal on the Web, and realize it for what it is, so much electronic flotsam and jetsam, you will always have a pleasant chatting experience, with a few raised eyebrows along the way. If it bugs you, don't read it and move on. That's it, simple. I skip posters all the time I think are silly, and it greatly enhances my web experience. Just my two cents, ALOHA. We over the hump Season 6 soon with 7 to follow and hopefully Season 10 along the way so I will have my personal all-time favorite H50ep "Descent of the Torches" on disc. It will be awesome to play that thru the surround sound as it is one noisy episode. Might even upgrade the Video delivery so when Mc'Gs Helicopter makes it way along the Kona Coast in Act One, I can enjoy it in simulated cinematic glory. That scene and the one where Mahina is reading his lines from a cue-card, not looking at JL directly will be worth the price itself. "Danno, pack a bag and meet me at the Airport, we're going to the Big Island."
Palm Springs, CA USA - Sunday, March 15, 2009 at 10:02:21 (PST)
Okay, that only would lead in a big discussion about human behavior and good manners, social consciousness etc. But that is a H50 page at last.I have to remind myself sometimes ;-) One last thing to the subject as I recall everything was fine until Mr.Hedges took action. And I can only assume because his part here was taken over.
Berlin, - Sunday, March 15, 2009 at 08:53:35 (PST)
Thin-skinned? Um, no. It isn't thin-skinned to be put off by an unnecessarily sarcastic and insulting attitude. Now, believe me, I'm over the whole Kimo thing myself, I accept his posts for what they are, and have even come to(dare I say it) appreciate them, but I don't think it's helpful for someone to adopt an attitude of, "Oh, you're just too thin-skinned to take it." I don't listen to Howard Stern, someone might say it's because I'm thin-skinned, I like to think it's because I have good taste. Now, I don't mean to compare Kimo to Howard Stern, as I've said, I've grown accustomed to his posts and he seems like a pretty decent guy, the fact is, we live in a culture where irreverence is no longer irreverent because it's become the norm. Watch your average sitcom, it's just a bunch of people making fun of each other, with no heart, no soul. When Seinfeld and the Simpsons did the irreverent thing it was fresh and funny, now it's just lazy and mundane. Calling somebody thin-skinned because they don't like to be insulted by a stranger is, I'm afraid, just a symptom of this culture of ours, how it celebrates rampant incivility. Sorry to get on my sociology soapbox, but this is a personal pet peeve of mine. I understand where Kimo is coming from, but I understand where his detractors are coming from as well...hell, I used to be one of them!
Columbus, OH USA - Sunday, March 15, 2009 at 06:53:31 (PST)
Ray, that was a great comment. Thank you for it. My English is very limited and so I'm not really able to say these things so precisely. That makes my statements very short but I hope graspable. Kimo, I'd like it very much to do that tour with you and Ray. I'm in Honolulu the entire October, five weeks actually. And I really hope we find a way. To the thin-skinned people out there. If you like H50 so much you should be accustomed to tougher tones and know that behind that is still a sense of acceptance and affection.
Berlin, - Sunday, March 15, 2009 at 04:44:17 (PST)
Oh man. that Hume Cronyn ep has alotta recognizable spots! Some of my faves, Hume's are.
- Saturday, March 14, 2009 at 23:08:35 (PST)
Well, it's 3 in the morning here in Portsmouth, but I usually fall asleep to an Ep of H5O...I've been moving in sequential order, and tonight is 'Over Fifty? Steal'. I'll pay more attention to the landmarks this time. So, I'm off to bed. Keep me advised! Ray
Portsmouth, NH United States - Saturday, March 14, 2009 at 23:05:09 (PST)
Ray ya got me thinkin now... this is what we'll do. Nadja too if can. If no can, no can! But hope we can... I will give you a list of eps. Within that, a list of scenes in those eps. When you get here, and you are ready for da tour, we'll do dis kine; ok, that ep, remember that house? there is is. And that ep where danno and kono's doin da kine ? there it is... I'll try to hook us up so we get an inside look at Iolani Palace and the location where the office was supposed to be situated. Many of the usual things any kama'aina taxi driver can show ya. and some lost and hidden H50 spots... can't give em all away. Gotta save some for the DVD! (ok last thing. you will find my email in a previous post of mine. Email me thru that and I will start "the list" for ya!) tanx!
Don't hate me , cuz I'm beautiful. Cuz I ain't! - Saturday, March 14, 2009 at 22:57:48 (PST)
Two things Ray. 1) Well said. This was the Alpha and Omega on Net Chat Rooms in a nutshell. For that, you won a Hawaii 5-0 Location tour. While we do the maitai pub crawl, we'll hit some places that you will recognize from da show. Now get to watching em, there will be a quiz! ha. and B) Liz is slowly unravelling. Gotta lotta projects but will crack it soon...
- Saturday, March 14, 2009 at 22:41:52 (PST)
Am a bit fatigued from a trip from Geneva, but want to chime in on the Kimo controversy. I am kind of a newbie, and I was one of a few I guess who initially got my feathers ruffled and had the wrong impression of Kimo, due in no small part to my own misunderstanding of the man and my own sensitivity. I agree with Nadja -- I can learn a lot from Kimo, because of his enormous pride and love for Hawaiian culture, which I respect, and want to know more about...I guess that's why I got hooked on H5O years ago -- that, along with my memories of flying in and out of Hickam AFB as a young AF vet years ago. As an airline pilot today, I never get tired of flying to the islands, and I am usually first among the crew to get out there and hit the ground running right after touchdown. I always feel welcomed with the ever prevalent spirit of Aloha whenever I'm in town...which is why I look forward to downing some Mai Tais with Kimo in the near future. Kimo may dish it out, but I have noticed that he has no problem taking it on the chin as well. I think Mike has offered us a fantastic forum for camaraderie and shared knowledge, and I would hate to see it get shut down. We should take into consideration the unusual context of this forum when engaged in a verbal battle of wits . If we all were to meet in person, I am sure none of us would address each other in anything other than mutual respect. It's the veil of anonymity and geographic separation that encourages an unbridled sense of spontaneity between us. That leads to occasional outbursts of careless innuendo and unintended offense. Let's just work on developing some think skin..I have no intention of leaving this site, because of some perceived slight...I hope some of you who may feel offended or burned out will not either. We can learn much from one another. btw Kimo, how's that research project coming concerning Liz Logue? lol...I had a feeling that only Five-O could solve that mystery. Best, Ray
Portsmouth, NH United States - Saturday, March 14, 2009 at 22:11:29 (PST)
Kimo, thanks for your reply. I really did not delete a lot of your postings, and if anyone is interested, they are (almost all) not "deleted," but merely commented out and still visible in the source code for the pages, if you know how to look at that stuff. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to do any more such editing, and, as people might have noticed, I have abandoned the idea of allowing paragraphs, because I got fed up having to do further modifications on the pages as a result of this. (The guestbook format also allows the use of HTML -- forget about that!) As well, I have just noticed that the time stamp on messages is wrong (it is Pacific Standard Time whereas it should be Daylight Saving Time). Not much I can do about this, I'll have to talk to the system admin at the place where I work.
Vancouver, BC Canada - Saturday, March 14, 2009 at 13:11:50 (PST)
sorry. I meant "to see" not to tee. I'm no golfer.
- Saturday, March 14, 2009 at 12:51:59 (PST)
"KimoTherapy" why not comment on the subject we are here for? H50 V2. It's established. we all want it, it will most likely be a fabulous production with Mr. Bernero at the helm, and will display the higher standards of the best of contemporary Television as evidenced by Criminal Minds, and I for one am happy to tee this collective working on it. After all, the people who brought us The A team could have gotten ahold of it first.
- Saturday, March 14, 2009 at 12:48:30 (PST)
"Since there's more Kimo here than a cancer ward" thanks to you. Nice having an inadvertent fan club. - "it's very difficult to sift past your garbage." ya shoulda seen it beFORE Mr. Mike deleted much of my junk! (thanks Mike for all your work!)
- Saturday, March 14, 2009 at 12:41:19 (PST)
Very smug. I will read it when I wish. I do not follow your posts as you might like to think. Since there's more Kimo here than a cancer ward, it's very difficult to sift past your garbage.
Honolulu, HI USA - Saturday, March 14, 2009 at 12:30:57 (PST)
sorry Mike. Just trying to empathize with the guy, and elucidate a different perspective. I myself have no experience with any DVD's as I have them all in VHS tape form, having been recording them since ever since. And of course, they are permanently ingrained in the gray membrane, after watching them over and over all these years. Dodn't mean to make it appear i was taking you to task on anything. It's yer site and I respect that. apologies!
don't , taze me bro! - Saturday, March 14, 2009 at 12:05:43 (PST)
Kimo, I did not tell that poster complaining about the bootleg DVDs he purchased that "BOY, YOU ARE STUPID." I merely questioned why he would order the same thing (his exact words were "the same box set") from another company if he found the first set was bad. I don't know exactly what he means by "dvdplanit," because dvdplanet.com looks like a legitimate company. On the other hand, if you do a Google search for "dvd planet.org" (note the space), you will find numerous complaints about this company ripping people off. But the actual WWW site dvdplanet.org doesn't exist now except as a redirection site for other WWW sites.
Let's face it, if you order a legitimate set of Five-O DVDs from amazon.com and it turns out the quality is "bad," why would you then turn around and order them from Barnes and Noble unless you believed in some kind of conspiracy theory that amazon.com purposely sold defective merchandise (I have actually heard this kind of theory many years ago in relation to certain Vancouver record stores).
You don't have to check out the FAQ on my site to learn that Five-O bootlegs are mediocre quality. There is this amazing thing called "Google," where you can look up information like this.
Anyway, Kimo, I find it rather ironic that you are taking me to task for this one comment, when we have to continually put up with your nitpicky attacks on contributors here. No wonder many of the first time posters never bother to come back.
I would really appreciate it if you would moderate your contributions to the guestbook, or I will have to move the format to a "moderated" one, where I have to approve everything that is posted (which will rob the guestbook of its spontaneity). I am not looking forward to doing this, since I consider it to be a huge pain in the ass, so it is more likely that I will just close down the guestbook, period.
Vancouver, BC Canada - Saturday, March 14, 2009 at 11:54:16 (PST)
It is not correct that Ed Bernero has not been back since his initial posting on August 31 of last year. He posted on September 15, September 16 and November 29. His last message suggested he is just a bit busy. By the way, I have added links to all of the guestbook archived pages (which are reachable via the link at the top of this page) so you can more easily jump around from one month to another.
Vancouver, BC Canada - Saturday, March 14, 2009 at 11:34:28 (PST)
well, then I guess, don't read it on your lunch break. But thank you for following my posts. And assuming Mr. Bernero has not read these pages nor gleaned anything from what we all here share. Myself, I give him more credit than that. But thank you for assuming.
- Saturday, March 14, 2009 at 11:31:19 (PST)
I'm not referring to your recent bit of comic relief for Mr. Mike. I'm talking about your last several months worth of entries in this guestbook overall. All the way back to some of your earliest posts in fact. There is a thing called Internet etiquette, or netiquette, that nearly everyone on here exercises. My pointing out the obvious is not being negative. What's negative is the feeling I get when I drop by this guestbook on my lunch break to read comments from people that love my favorite cop show. Until now, I didn't submit comments. For me it was always fun to just sit back and read. But these days you have this entire thread peppered with rude and disrespectful remarks that are directed (specifically with quotes) at people who just want to voice their opinion. Unlike yourself, they are not targeting anyone in particular. You do not own Hawaii, it native language, its landmarks, its people, or the rights to Mr. Bernero's new TV series. Is it any wonder that Ed has never been back to this guestbook? I think not.
Honolulu, HI USA - Saturday, March 14, 2009 at 11:11:44 (PST)
And, it is an easy assumption, that maybe another company's product is of better quality. Jeez. i feel for the guy. He's asking for help and tho I can't do anything except understand his position, all you can do it take potshots at an obvious target. I can't help the guy but I can relate. MJQ's site is huge. I still haven't read it all OR the quickfaq. Give some people a break.
- Saturday, March 14, 2009 at 10:52:49 (PST)
That wasn't condescension. Point was, maybe everyone has not seen MJQ's pages and faq. I'm just sayin. (but feel free to be as negative as you want. some feel better that way somehow)
- Saturday, March 14, 2009 at 10:44:18 (PST)
This guestbook is completely infested with Kimo's condescending foolishness. I can't help but feel embarrassed for him when I read his posts. 99% of them do nothing but quote, then knock other contributors. This guestbook has been hijacked by a very unhappy man to say the least.
Honolulu, HI USA - Saturday, March 14, 2009 at 10:36:31 (PST)
"Why would you order "the same box set" from another company?" maybe they assumed "another company" meant "another quality". "You could have read this in the QuickFAQ on the main page here."...some people may not be that Quick...
I'm juss sayin', ya know... jus sayin'. - Saturday, March 14, 2009 at 09:56:43 (PST)
Why would you order "the same box set" from another company? The first one was crappy, why would the second one be any better? I have never ordered or seen any of these box sets, but I have had people e-mail about their experiences with them. They have reported these DVDs are mediocre in quality and the WWW sites selling them leave a lot to be desired as far as customer service is concerned. (You could have read this in the QuickFAQ on the main page here.) The bottom line is: you get what you pay for. I have noticed a lot of these bootleg DVD sites are now dumping the Five-O box sets for as low as $39.95, probably because the legitimate release of the series is soon up to the halfway point. Considering the DVDs are probably double layer (if they are not, then the quality will be VERY bad), and the cheapest double layer discs are around 50 cents each, and a typical box set contains something like 29 discs, they are not making a lot of money, considering the discs cost around $15 and then there is the time involved to make the discs.
Vancouver, BC Canada - Saturday, March 14, 2009 at 05:27:13 (PST)
Ilived in HAWAII from 1981 to 20004 I had googtimes & bad but it was ablessing I an not a stupd man abd when I saw anHAWAIIFIVE-0box set with all of the episodes on swveral websites the prices seemed to be fair problem @1 came abut whendvdgloub a co basesout of FL. sent poor qualityfilms theesewere bootleg there was a camera filming througha tvscreen and not that good of a tv at that I complained to the co. and they said they would and did refund all my money as well as wellas send me a postage paid pkg. to return the bootleg dvd's now Ihaveordererfrom dvdplanit the same box set it seems to be taking longer than promiced thier website sais that they had pleanty in stoc and sealed if thi is also a bootleg I guess it just time to order fromamazon ANY SUGGESTIONS especally since Ive just found out that season 6 will be aval. in april help please I am in over my headCLINTON H SMITH PA-C MPATHANKYOU IN ADVANCE
rochester, PAUSA USAI - Saturday, March 14, 2009 at 02:27:06 (PST)
Lynn, the sculptor is cute and all, but sorry. The bust looks more like Danno, or even William Macy than anything. appropriate, as it's just outside of Macy's! http://tinyurl.com/b5ooa8 http://tinyurl.com/apht9o http://tinyurl.com/dfd9n9 http://tinyurl.com/azmow8 http://tinyurl.com/apht9o
- Friday, March 13, 2009 at 18:03:03 (PST)
that bust looks more like danno than steve. But then looks more like a 15 year old boy scout than danno.
- Friday, March 13, 2009 at 14:06:49 (PST)
That would be a good idea showing the Jack Lord bust because -- after all -- it could be, like, "McGarrett."☺
Vancouver, BC Canada - Friday, March 13, 2009 at 11:51:38 (PST)
The intro for Five-0 2010(?) could include, assuming it will be an updated version of the same style/edit as the original, a quick shot of the Jack Lord bust at Kahala Mall. I don't think the statue looks a whole lot like him (sorry) but I think an homage of some kind to "The Man" is a good idea.
Newport Beach, CA USA - Friday, March 13, 2009 at 06:43:47 (PST)
Every guestbook and bulletin board perpetuates in different opinions and sentiments. Otherwise it becomes stale and boring. So I see Kimo as an great enrichment to this board. And if one dissents from him (which includes me sometimes), it's alright, stand up to him, take the challenge... I like it and I think it's interesting :-)
Hey to you too, KDee McGee, - Friday, March 13, 2009 at 01:33:31 (PST)
Kimo--so, converted you to Criminal Minds, hahaha As for M Hedges, i don't entirely agree. i think there are some things we need to get into perspective. Kimo-actually has toned down tremendously...i think it unwise that we call it his site. It is and will be MJQ's. Yes, i am pulling for Kimo.,phew--life is too short my friend! As for Five-O-i hope it happens sooner than later, but CBS is CBS (Cool But Slow) i think ED can capture the flavor and also "update where it felt right!" Ed has written a few CM episodes, that were VERY Five-O-esque. It needs a strong, cool lead Mr. Hedges, it is sad that you "painted all with the same black brush", but Ed DID visit again after you left. i quite enjoyed your posts, but they did get a little excessive and cheesy, although it is sad because they started off as very good. CARMARADERIE bruddah!
Hawaii, Hey Nadja - Thursday, March 12, 2009 at 14:53:09 (PST)
Ooops, thank's. I didn't realize. But that's my opinion anyway, in case there are others having a problem with the freedom of expression ;-)
Berlin, - Thursday, March 12, 2009 at 14:05:41 (PST)
Nadja, in case you didn't realize, Collin is just quoting an earlier posting by Michael Hedges. I have reformatted it so that this will become more obvious...
Vancouver, BC Canada - Thursday, March 12, 2009 at 13:57:50 (PST)
Collin, first of all this guestbook is just a little part of that great homepage of Mr. Mike. And then "Welcome"! Please share your opinion about H50 and all involved people with us. But please be aware there are always different views and sentiments and everybody should have the freedom to express it, just as you did, but that's what it makes interesting here IMHO.
Berlin, - Thursday, March 12, 2009 at 13:14:11 (PST)
I think Mr. Bernero would be interested in reading most of Kimo's postings -- after all, they are actually about Hawaii -- rather than enduring Hedges' constant attempts to ingratiate himself and his Five-O "script" (not to mention Hedges' tales of woe about how he was mistreated by the Hollywood community over some Star Trek submission).
San Diego, CA USA - Thursday, March 12, 2009 at 12:55:56 (PST)
Collin that's sharp of you! Funny! I believe MH owns the only revolving door in Hawaii, and is using it fully.
- Thursday, March 12, 2009 at 12:44:50 (PST)
Ring, that is such a goofy caricature, isn't it. and "Hawaii" camped it up to ill effect. and it was sent up royally in last action hero. Hope we don't see it in H50. If Mr. Bernero is at the helm, seeing what I have seen of Criminal Minds by now, I believe H50 will be a class act.
- Thursday, March 12, 2009 at 12:34:36 (PST)
The recent climate on the MJQ homepage has become cold and unwelcoming- In light of this I have decided to make my last posting on the site. I should imagine that Ed Bernero has had similiar feelings and maybe that is why he has not returned to the site. In Hawaii, Aloha means both Hello and Goodbye- consider this the later. I have decided to leave the rest of you to bicker amongst yourselves.
Honolulu, HI USA - Saturday, October 18, 2008 at 09:54:19 (PDT)
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