Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- June 2014

The Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- June 2014

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Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

I watched most of the interviews from James Hong, Marion Ross, et. al. and found them to be very interesting and informative.

It almost never seems to fail that when someone who worked on the show is interviewed, most of them speak of Jack Lord in a negative light, but never criticize James MacArthur, Kam Fong, or any of the other detectives on the show in that manner. I have to wonder if the guest stars' approach to their roles had something to do with this. For example, Marion Ross appeared to be more concerned with her kids' welfare when she was there than she did her role, even though she played the first one masterfully. Plus, you know that many guest stars probably thought they were going there for an extended vacation rather than to perform, and I imagine Jack had to set them straight on that. This is something that MacArthur or Fong for example, would not have been pressing a guest star about whereas Jack would have to. My own opinion is that Lord probably was difficult in some ways, but his dedication to his craft is a big reason the show was so successful.

The comments by Bernie Oseransky about the 2010 reincarnation totally miss the point to me. It isn't about how many helicopter shots you get per month or the fact that you are filming in new island locations that is important. What is important is that folks are still watching and talking about the original more than 34 years after it left the air. While the new show is OK, I just can't see very many people who love it now discussing it on a forum like this 35 years from now. There are very few episodes of the new series that are truly outstanding and memorable. On the other hand, it always amazes me how people here can still remember details of 40+ year old episodes vividly. That should tell us something.

Added: Monday 30 June 2014 17:51:05 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I usually stay away from anything to do with the music in the show, holding my hands up to my ears. It was hard enough for me to put the main theme for all seasons on my site (http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/music/), and I don't wish to discuss what are the subtle differences between them, for example.

Doing some kind of an anal-ysis of the music is a project for when I am retired and have lots of time ... oh wait, I >am< retired! But I have no time! :!surprised:

Added: Thursday 26 June 2014 07:51:45 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

Does anyone have a list of the episodes in which different arrangements of the H50 theme are heard? For example, in "We Hang Our Own," we hear a western-like arrangement. Mike, can you help here? Many thanks.

Added: Thursday 26 June 2014 03:38:55 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

I just loved listening to Reza Badiyi, who did title visualizations, tell how he captured The Wave. Imagine!

In case you missed it, here's a brief summary:

He was standing on a peninsula when a huge wave broke over him and the peninsula. He and his non-waterproof camera went down in the sand. One gathers it was somewhat frightening for him, who was not accustomed to such things. The camera and film emerged drenched in sand and water. He returned to his hotel room and called the studio to find out what he should do. The cinematographers told him to seal the film, water, sand, and all, in a can; tape it completely; and send it to the studio. He did, and the film was saved -- as was what is probably the best-known wave in the world. Incredible, huh?

Clark Little takes shots like that these days, but he's prepared. He knows what to expect (as long as Garrett McNamara isn't riding one of the waves) and has a waterproof camera. You can see some of his awesome photography on clarklittlephotography[dot]com.

Added: Monday 23 June 2014 12:53:48 MST

Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Yes, Casey Kasem will be missed. He did excellent work in Steal Now Pay Later a solid HFO episode. Ron Colby was a great character who was a criminal & jobber. I like when Casey Kasem character decided to work with McGarrett to catch Colby. The cassette recorders recorded Colby's confession on hundreds of recorders. Just a brilliant ending.

4 stars for Steal Now Pay Later. We will never see a show as brilliant as Classic Hawaii Five O again. Jack worked tirelessly to make it a quality crime drama. Hope the new HFO can dedicate itself in Year 5 to rise to Jack's level. John :)

Added: Friday 20 June 2014 09:08:44 MST

Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Oh yeah Jimmy Hong was always great on the show and everything else I've seen him in. And he's STILL acting! He had a fairly big part in last year's film R.I.P.D. with Jeff Bridges (they showed plenty of him in the trailers).

Added: Tuesday 17 June 2014 17:49:38 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

James Hong is not the only one with memory problems in those interviews. Director Jack Shea, who helmed King of the Hill, says that he did two shows, mentioning that one of them involved something on the ocean or a boat (I forget his exact wording). But he only did King of the Hill. Let's face it, some of these guys are old!

Added: Tuesday 17 June 2014 17:39:48 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Marion came across as mean and immature. She giggled and talked like a schoolgirl, admitting it's not nice to gossip, but she likes to. She came on the show twice, and if Jack was so mean to her the first time (Blind Tiger) why go a second time (Air Cargo, Dial For Murder)? That is, provided the incident to which she is referring happened when they did "Blind Tiger." Marion does not say specifically at whom Jack was yelling, what he said, or why, so she does not give the viewer much information on which to make a sound judgment, and is being unfair to Jack. If he was yelling at the crew, that meant they weren't doing their jobs properly, not that he was yelling for the fun of it.

Suzan Carney, who played Nurse Feinberg in Blind Tiger, said Jack was quiet and he came back later on to shake her hand. It was the director who was yelling at everyone, she went on. Marion Ross was not in that scene, so maybe something happened at a time when Suzan was not there to which Marion was referring, but it still doesn't prove that Jack was the mean person Marion is making him out to be.

Moreover, the guest stars' accommodations were paid for. They also got spending money, so what is she doing not letting her kids order a hot dog from room service?

Added: Tuesday 17 June 2014 17:31:48 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

I noticed that, too, Ringfire. Perhaps, they called him often, but he was busy with other projects. Who knows? Suffice it to say, I always enjoyed seeing him when he was on the show.

I found Marion Ross' criticism of Jack not so much the barb she seemed to mean for it to be, but a confirmation of what others have said: If you came to the set prepared and ready to shoot, Jack was easy to get along with. Marion said she took her children with her when she traveled to acting assignments and that she was constantly worried that they would spend too much money, etc. It doesn't sound like her heart was in her work -- although, to be fair to her, she gave excellent performances. Jack probably picked up on her preoccupations. Just guessing, you realize.

Added: Tuesday 17 June 2014 13:46:31 MST

Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Some interesting comments by James Hong in that clip. He says that whenever they couldn't find a suitable local to play some role they would call on him and that he would be called in every month or so. He then says he did about 8 episodes total. The fact is he only did 4, and none of them were on a month after month after month basis. 2 of them were in the 2nd season, 1 in the 4th season, and 1 in the 7th. But even if he had done 8 episodes that still wouldn't support his claims that he was getting called in almost every month. Guys like Jimmy Borges, Yankee Chang, Tommy Fujiwara probably were getting called in every month (hey they lived there) but certainly not James Hong. He wasn't a stock actor. I guess his memory is faulty about these things. Unless he means they kept calling him every month but he kept turning them down. Not sure. Even guys like Simon Oakland and Nehemiah Persoff made more guest appearances than him.

Added: Monday 16 June 2014 21:53:03 MST

Submitted by: Joel D.
From: North Idaho

Just a quick shout out to two-time, classic 5-0 guest star Casey Kasem, who died Sunday at age 82.

I thought the ending of "Steal Now, Pay Later" worked great because the merchandise Kasem's character orders to help McGarrett bust the hot goods mastermind are (if I recall) radio/cassette players.

The nod to Kasem's day job would have been complete if a radio would have come on, with AT40 playing on it.

Always enjoyed Casey's "coast to coast" radio show as a kid in the late 1970s and early 1980s. RIP, Casey. Keep your feet on the ground and keep reaching for the stars.

Added: Monday 16 June 2014 20:26:01 MST

Submitted by: Will
From: Washington, DC

In addition to Casey Kasem's credited Five-O appearances, I was watching "Welcome to Our Branch Office" recently and heard what I am sure was Kasem's voice dubbed in for Jimmy Borges, who was playing a newspaper reporter....

Added: Monday 16 June 2014 11:39:17 MST

Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"I just watched "For Old Times Sake" (Season 12). It's really a very good storyline, but the dialogue is pathetic!"

This is the episode that features a very young Kelly Preston (Mrs. John Travolta) - credited as Kelly Palzis, who was born in Honolulu. I haven't seen the episode in ages but I'll make my way around to it eventually.

Surprised no one mentioned the passing of radio legend Casey Kasem of America's Top 40/Scooby-Doo fame. He guested twice on FIVE-0 - as Freddie Dryden in "Mother's Deadly Helper" (interviewing McG on TV about the justice system) and as Larry Swift in "Steal Now--Pay Later".

Added: Monday 16 June 2014 10:16:48 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

Thanks for the link, Mike. I especially enjoyed listening to Reza Badiyi tell how he filmed "The Wave." Thank goodness it survived its trip to the studio in salt water and sand.

Added: Sunday 15 June 2014 20:19:08 MST

Submitted by: Ravi
From: Richmond

All of those ideas are far better than most of what I saw during the last season. You should do some fan fiction.

Added: Sunday 15 June 2014 19:16:03 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Interviews with people who participated in the original show.

Under the image on the right, click on "all interviewee clips on this show.


Added: Sunday 15 June 2014 16:53:14 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

I just watched "For Old Times Sake" (Season 12). It's really a very good storyline, but the dialogue is pathetic! At best, it's first-draft quality. At worst, it's grade-school quality. What a shame they didn't give it the attention it needed. With the plot and the cast, it deserved much better.

Added: Sunday 15 June 2014 10:59:50 MST

Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

Not too shabby for a buyer from a local department store. He won't be needing it anymore...


Added: Sunday 15 June 2014 10:44:58 MST

Submitted by: Barbara
From: Pittsburgh

John, regarding your "Power of the Rich" episode suggestion, I have a setting suggestion. It could take place at the Pineapple Garden Maze at Dole Pineapple Plantation of Oahu. That could provide some genuine island flavor (no pun intended)!

Added: Sunday 15 June 2014 08:43:26 MST

Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Here's some more Episode ideas for Season 5,6,7,8 of new HFO. These are some good ones.

1.Sing A Song For Me. An ex soldier holds 3 psychological professionals hostage in his basement & calls up a rock station music. Challenges the DJ to name the artist & song he plays on his basement sound system. A wrong answer leads to harm to one of the hostages. Can McG & HFO team find the psychotic in time?

2.The Dr. Jeckyl & Mr. Hyde. A brilliant Cardiologist & scientist bitter over his forced retirement has invented a remote control device that can stop people's hearts in seconds. Bidding war occurs with terrorist groups & countries wanting the device & the terror it would cause. A gripping episode as McG tries to locate the scientist.

3.Young Assassins 2. Remnants of Army's gang of Season 7 begin teaching a new college age group of kids the methods of crime & terror. McG are baffled by a string of motiveless crimes.

4.Zoos Are Important. 3 zoo employees tired of the cuts in zoo funding in Hawaii kidnap Grover & hide him in a Lion's den. The kidnappers ask for a 500,000 dollars ransom which would help in getting feed & innoculations for the animals.

5.The Power of the Rich. A wealthy businessman has his associates kidnap 10 people of different genders & incomes. He places them in a giant maze where he hunts them down or if they find their way out of the maze in time, they live for another day.

6. Cold Case In Hawaii. While looking through his Dad's belongings in the attic, McG stumbles on an old case from 1978...A beautiful Miss Hawaii contestant disappears after a pageant. McG looks into the case & realizes it reaches the levels of high society in Hawaii. John

Added: Tuesday 10 June 2014 16:12:28 MST

Submitted by: Barbara
From: Pittsburgh

John, you are good! Perhaps Jay Farraday took agribusiness management courses in prison? His goal still would be to prove to the Colonel that he was the son most competent to take over the land. He may also have reinforced his case by taking some anger management courses, too!

Added: Tuesday 10 June 2014 13:14:59 MST

Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Here are some Season 5 HFO Episode ideas that I hope the writers use next year.

1.The Crying Game. McGarrett & the HFO team must find the mysterious source of a crying virus where people drown in their own tears.

2.Farewell to Farraday. 95 year old Colonel Farraday & 65 year old Jay Farraday recently released from prison become the targets of greedy building & land developers who want their ranch land to build high rise condominiums & houses. Think Big Kahuna.

3.Sign,Sealed,Delivered. McG receives a mysterious letter from Manu Raine who leaves bizarre clues to where his body can be located. The wealthy businessman was in debt & ties to the Kumu. Did Mr. Raine commit suicide? Is it an elaborate hoax? Was he creatively murdered by a serial killer to throw HFO off the track.

4. Saw & Blue. McG & HFO team investigate a series of 6 murders where victims are painted midnight blue & sawed in half. McG links some of the deceased to a New Age Cult The New Falcons.

5. We Were Here First. An ancient tribe Rawinia living in the rain forest fight the developers clearing the land. Tense

6.Danno Under Fire. During a footchase, Danno shoots an unarmed man in a dimly lit starewell. Great courtroom trial as Danno fights for his career & to avoid jail. John

Added: Saturday 07 June 2014 11:29:04 MST

Submitted by: Barbara
From: Pittsburgh

John, I agree. One can easily match the episode title and the plot in the classic series. "Grandstand Play" is a favorite of mine. My favorite scene is when Tommy Fujiwara as the private investigator explains why he loves his job and that he is also a photographer to boot. He takes such sleazy delight in what he does that his grin is almost infectious!

Added: Friday 06 June 2014 15:45:54 MST

Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

You know what I always loved about Classic HFO. You throw out an episode title Cry,Lie or Blind Tiger or The Payoff & your mind immediately remembers the contents of the episodes. Cannon, Streets SF , The Rockford Files have titled episodes but it's difficult to remember pieces or big segments. That's what sets Classic HFO apart.

Today's Classic Review HFO is The Grandstand Play. They dragged out this episode for 2 parts. I like Elliott Street as an actor & he played Gary Phillips in a delightful way. Workman was definitely an evil man to have his wife killed. The girl & the guard made an enjoyable criminal team. There was good suspense at the end since Gary could be saved or killed in the stadium. A solid guest star performance by (Petnell) Pernell Roberts as Lon Phillips an aging star ball player winding his career down with the Islanders. Solid episode 4 out of 6 stars. John

Added: Monday 02 June 2014 11:56:17 MST

Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"Though the Heavens Fall" and "Voice of Terror" have always been my favorites from season 12.

Never been a big fan of "Lion in the Streets" or "Woe to Wo Fat" but both do have a fine score by Morton Stevens. Even in the 12th season this guy was still writing good music!

I think Bruce Broughton's score for "Heavens Fall" is quite good too.

I agree with Mr. Mike - "Use a Gun" and "Flight of the Jewels" are both good episodes. Especially by season 12 standards. I'm also quite the fan of "Image of Fear".

Added: Sunday 01 June 2014 20:41:00 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Who Says Cops Don't Cry gets three stars from me, but this is sort of like how some shows in the current incarnation of Five-O get a rating much higher than they should. Other shows which are better than average are Flight of the Jewels (an interesting premise, but with serious lapses in logic), Use a Gun, Go to Hell (good score by Broughton) and Labyrinth (Tricia O'Neil).

With regard to Skyline Killer, its rating used to be three, but that's before I got the DVDs where I could actually see what was going on for most of the show (my old VHS tape of this was REALLY bad). The main thing I don't like about this show is Cioffi's bland performance as the writer. The major positive thing is the outstanding score by Dick de Benedictus, who also provided an excellent score to Stringer. Too bad he wasn't the "main man" for music in the show's later seasons instead of John Cacavas.

Added: Sunday 01 June 2014 10:12:51 MST

Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Taking Lion In the Streets out of the equation, what is your FAV Season 12 episode? I'm in the minority I enjoyed Woe to Wo Fat. Liked when McGarrett pretended to hang himself. Wo Fat probably regrets not killing McGarrettt during Nine Dragons. John :)

Added: Sunday 01 June 2014 08:22:44 MST

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