The Hawaii Five-O Home Page Discussion Forum -- April 2016

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Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Last night's show, reviewed:

Added: Saturday 30 April 2016 22:06:15 MST

Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Good stuff on Ralston & RRR Big Chicken. I think Ralston exhibits some of the traits of an organized offender. He carefully killed Mrs. Syzmanski with the knife and wiped it down. Also, he concocted the scenic tour death for Mrs. Nichols. Shows organization and planning. Also, a revenge motive. Wonder how crazy Ralston really was or maybe that to receive the recommendation over OCS made him angry. Loved the RRR episode not a fan of the Follow White Brick Road. Average fare for Classic HFO. I liked Mrs. Carter she was a kind person. Excellent scene with McG and his filleted hand. John

Added: Saturday 30 April 2016 16:40:40 MST

Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Seattle, Toomey & Lew's Hometown

After completin my rewatch a season 4, gotta say it may be Chicken’s fave season outside a the groundbreakin inaugural one.

S4 finish strong with the French Connection-esque White Brick Road and R&R&R. The former feature great undercover Navy Danno and find an especially ornery Steve-O addressin the eps smuggler - "You're out of the dirty junk business sailor" - and tellin the tattoo artist/smack pusher he can spend his drug earnins afta payin back taxes N penalties and spending some fitee years in the federal pen.:D

R&R&R is a most outstandin ep, encapsulatin how the violence a the Vietnam war bleeds over into domestic America. The conflict itself resonates throughout the episode, especially in the brutal killins. Chicken found the idea of murderin soldiers wives for revenge to be pretty heinous. Ralston definitely got a place up there in the annals of Five-O psychos, dig how he address McGarrett as the "lint-free round-mouth voice a justice." WTF, man? Even the conclude, with Steve getting a fistful a bayonet and wastin ole Tommy Ralls at point blank, is pretty extreme. And in the mist a the locale killin spree they gotta tell Mrs Carter that her husband was killed in action. And it ends with wounded McGarrett and the emotionally wounded Mrs. Carter staggerin off a Northwest Orient flight. Powerhouse stuff indeed.

Mr. Mike – how come only dos stars for this ep, brudda?

Added: Saturday 30 April 2016 13:42:21 MST

Submitted by: Tom H
From: Plainfield, IL

I just watched "To Hell With Babe Ruth" and noticed that, while McGarrett was disabling the bomb, Nagata, who was not even yet handcuffed, stood peacefully aside. Surely, Danno couldn't intimidate a Ninja so easily, could he?

Added: Saturday 30 April 2016 09:27:47 MST

Submitted by: Walter
From: Florida

As a lifelong fan of The Boys - AKA The Three Stooges, it was great to see H50 honor them with the B storyline - "The Three Stooges Go To Sea." It would also be a waste of time to list the real world licensing and registration requirements for the boat because you have to accept the show as mind numbing entertainment which on a Friday evening after a long week works for me.

Added: Saturday 30 April 2016 09:15:59 MST

Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Interesting talk about Kojak episodes Mr. Mike. It made me think of 3 popular crime dramas 70's. HFO, Kojak, and Streets Of San Francisco. I think HFO had the best theme song of the 3 although all are very good. McG and Kojak are similar in they were the leaders of their teams but Danno has a stronger role and influence than Crocker. It was more 50/50 with Det.Stone and Keller. I think Kojak was very intelligent in the episodes. More than people think. Kojak had a meaner streak to him. I liked Keller he was a caring person. Obviously, Classic HFO had the longer run and better episodes over its seasons. Still, there were things I enjoyed about all 3. John

Added: Friday 29 April 2016 16:07:38 MST

Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Tao of Steve-O

RingFire sez: McGarrett's speechifyin' (as Big Chicken calls it) is the stuff of legend!

Right on, Brudda! Right on!

Rainbow Warrior - good to hear from you brudda. Chicken's take on that article you shared is the local folks done sick a tourist types like Marty Sloane livin it up for a week in the islands. Maaannn, them tourist cats & hardware conventioneers sure could use sum lecturin from Steve-Oh Five-O. An McGarrett sez:

We see your type every day. You're here on a convention, you want to dance all night. But when you get into trouble - when it's time to pay the piper - you fall back on their solid citizen's act.

We protect 2 million a year like you. You come and you go. You play games in that 100 square block called Waikiki. Pretty stupid games - things you wouldn't be caught dead doing back home.

But still we protect you. We bust our guts to protect you! But when we need your help - it's a different story.

- Speechify, bruddah Steve, speech-i-fyy!! And we can dig it. :D :!cool:

Added: Thursday 28 April 2016 22:49:04 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

Speaking of great episodic themes, my favorite is from "Over Fifty? Steal." You can hear the entire piece at the end, starting when Filer arrives at Paradise Park. The theme has run through my mind at times through the years, but I couldn't remember where I had heard it. And, then, the DVDs came out. That's it! That's the song!

Added: Thursday 28 April 2016 17:47:07 MST

Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Great talk on Number One With A Bullet HFO Forever. I also enjoyed that episode and learned many things from it. Mr. Mike also gave it a strong rating. Johnny Monroe got a raw deal if it wasn't his gambling markers and was frozen out from big music contracts. I wish they had explored why Sally didn't become a bigger star and should have left for California and stardom. It's strange that the Kumu didn't know Bernie Adams had his own syndicate connections. I thought Johnny & the girl singer made a good team and enjoyed the songs. I thought it was authentic. One of my FAV scenes was Johnny getting frozen out several music label places as Alika used his power against Johnny Monroe. Outstanding episode and acting all around. You could see it building slowly to the War and Johnny's death. Fantastic episode! John

Added: Wednesday 27 April 2016 16:29:47 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

Good article, Rainbow, and it touches on a very emotional topic among the Hawaiian people. The only disappointment I had with Hawai'i was the lack of the aloha spirit. Oh, the entertainers showed it while they were on stage, but when you saw them backstage, it was a different matter. On the sidewalk, a woman walked straight towards me with anger in her eyes, even though I was walking on the right side (direction, not correct side).

But, then, some of the tourists behaved poorly, too. They were pushy and seemed to think Hawai'i owed them something. And they acted the same way to other tourists. Arrogant. Snooty. Enough to explain why the Hawaiians feel the way they do.

So, we avoid Kalakaua Avenue. We stay at the Ilikai, which is at the western end of Waikiki, and we spend most of our time out of the city. Except for the Capitol District (Washington Place, State Capitol, 'Iolani Palace), Honolulu's really not much to crow about. You can see the same thing in any other city anywhere around the world.

If I were to move to Hawai'i, I'd probably settle on the Big Island, probably around Hilo. Leave the tourists on O'ahu, Maui, and the western side of the Big Island. Sadly, the tourists are moving into Kaua'i, now, and a push is on to take tourism to Ni'ihau. What is the world coming to? :!cry:

Added: Wednesday 27 April 2016 11:33:37 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Rainbow, as an old fogey who still winces when I hear "bad words," mostly used by "young people" in public places like on the bus and so forth, I know what you are talking about. It was a slow day in the Discussion Group where the level of conversation was the same old/same old.

I'm sure you are aware there are plenty of bad words in Five-0/Zero episodes as well as elsewhere in the discussion forum and other pages on the site.

A quick search reveals the following:

shit - 49
fuck/fucking - 15 times
goddamn - 7
Jesus Christ - 1 (as a profanity, this is said by Marj Dusay, who is responsible for two of the above "shit"s).
son of a bitch - 26 ("bitch" itself = 30)
bastard - 17

I thought the use of the last word by McGarrett in Number One With A Bullet (broadcast January 4, 1979) was a big deal. But this word was reportedly first heard on the soap opera Love of Life in 1974 (it also appears to be in I'll Kill 'Em Again [September 24, 1974 -- see above list], though this is debatable).

I just about fell out of my chair when I was viewing Elegy in an Asphalt Graveyard, an episode from season 2 of Kojak, which I was binge-watching a couple of days ago. This show dates from February 2, 1975. In it, a rich man's wife calls him a "bastard" to his face.

I wonder if shows during the 70's were trying to outdo each other with bad words and controversial topics. Season 2 of Kojak has an episode about rape (Hush Now, Don't You Die from September 22, 1974) which is pretty rank, for example.

Added: Wednesday 27 April 2016 09:03:06 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

One favorite episode out of 284 possibles??? That would be next to impossible to say. I can't even pin it down to one favorite per season. The reason: I like different episodes for different reasons. Those reasons often make an episode one of my favorites when others despise it, even though I can see clearly why they feel the way they do about it.

For example, "You Don't See Many Pirates These Days" (Season 10) has many weaknesses and really is rather transparent. Yet, because I like Bruce Wilson in all his Five-0 appearances and because Jack shared a fair amount of knowledge about merchant mariners in the episode and I learned a lot from it, it is one of my favorites. But it is not my one and only favorite. Far from it.

Also, I prefer the later seasons to the earlier ones, also in conflict with other posters here. True, Jack was much sprier in the earlier seasons. True, the pace was snappier. All the reasons those posters state are true. But there's something more intellectual about the later seasons. As well as being entertained by them, we learn from them. For example, in "Number One With a Bullet" (Season 11), we learn a lot about the music industry, how difficult it can be to break into the industry, and the prices those who break into it must pay -- down to and including loss of life.

Having twelve seasons to explore issues from several different perspectives is one thing that made H50 such an outstanding series. We even saw H50 apply the academic techniques of mystery solving. For example, we saw the locked-door mystery in "The Case Against Philip Christie" (Season 11) and the too many red herrings method so often used by Agatha Christie in "Invitation to Murder" (Season 10). We debated political issues, including the theory that "guns don't kill people; people do" in "Diary of a Gun" (Season 7) and "Use a Gun, Go to Hell" (Season 12). H50 even touched on the issues of venereal disease and abortion, both of which were taboo issues in that day and age.

So, my advice is not to spend too much time trying to pick out your favorite episode. Rather, see what each episode has to offer, both for entertainment value and for educational value.

Added: Wednesday 27 April 2016 07:49:37 MST

Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Hi everyone, I'm popping in briefly for a quick minute.

Gee, Mike, I didn't know that you allowed such outright profanity on the board.

I saw this article, yesterday, about Hawaii and it's tourism industry, and thought you might all enjoy and discuss.

Added: Wednesday 27 April 2016 07:35:37 MST

Submitted by: Aloha
From: USA

Hi guys,
which is your favourite episode?

Added: Wednesday 27 April 2016 01:10:07 MST

Submitted by: Rita Ractliffe
From: Sunland, CA

This is probably old news by now, but I just saw the supposedly original lyrics for the Five-O song, sung by Sammy Davis, Jr. Fascinating. Not sure I care for them, but not bad.

You said no internet leading characters. I'd like to put the link here, but your decision, if you don't already have it. I remember how long some of us looked for this! Especially John Nordlum. If you have a current addy for him, could you ask him to give me an email? My addy still the same.

And THANKS(!) for the Jay Leno audio bit re the Mahalo Con reunion. Never even heard that! Wish some of these media types could've shown up to the actual event! Ah well. Water under the oars now.

Take care!

Added: Tuesday 26 April 2016 16:29:07 MST

Submitted by: McSeal
From: Down Under

Mr. Mike, with regard to your posting about spoilers:

I think most of the time Lenkov uses social media to try to create a buzz around the show, but he is not very good at it. He creates the buzz, but also just strings along some shipper fans and pisses off most others who have more than two brain cells. That is apart from a few who have crawled deep up his ass, that they no longer see anything beyond the bullshit.

My honest opinion is that he fucked up a show that could have been one of the all-time greats. He had the right components to create that, but made a few wrong choices along the way and seriously missed out hitting the big time for himself and the cast.

Added: Tuesday 26 April 2016 14:33:59 MST

Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Mr. Mike, I personally don't dislike Cacavas to the extent that you do. He's certainly inferior to the other composers and thus his scores definitely lack that classic Five-O sound, but he did manage to write some fairly decent scores here and there, like those 3 that I mentioned - Frozen Assets, The Sleeper (which has a nice classical music type of sound), Deadly Courier. I think his scores fit the episodes that they accompanied. By the time he came onboard the series was running out of steam. The episodes were no longer what they used to be and the scores reflected that as well. The classic Five-O sound had become a thing of the past, as did the show's quality storytelling. I suppose if the music had been stronger it may have elevated the episodes a little but not much. I mean no amount of great music can redeem a turkey like "Tread the King's Shadow" or "The Moroville Covenant".

Added: Tuesday 26 April 2016 08:12:37 MST

Submitted by: Maureen
From: Montana

Plenkov sounding a bit desperate.

Added: Tuesday 26 April 2016 02:21:16 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Five-Zero is the only show which I watch when it is broadcast (or close to when it is on), so I am not familiar with other productions these days. I tend to binge-watch other shows after the fact, and few of them are on "regular" TV.

So my question is, is Lenkov's constant hyping of the show through spoilers and so forth something unusual, or do other show runners for mainstream TV shows engage in this kind of activity to the same level that he does?

Added: Monday 25 April 2016 09:09:17 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

It appears that Mr. Lenkov needs an editor. Where do I apply?

Added: Monday 25 April 2016 08:20:35 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Speaking of composers, it's no secret that I never liked John Cacavas' scores for Five-O much. He never really seemed to "get it" as far as fitting in with the others. This is not to say that everyone was aping Morton Stevens' and Don Ray's contributions -- Broughton had his own distinctive style, for example.

But recently I have been binge-watching season two of Kojak. Cacavas was the resident composer for this show (the main them was done by Billy Goldenberg) and did a damn good job there!

Added: Monday 25 April 2016 07:35:52 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Lenkov on Twitter:

Fair warning - BUY TISSUES - LOTS OF TISSUES - Ep 625 will have you balling [sic] from beginning to end

My comment:

"Balling" -- that must be like when there is a massive power failure. :-) Check hospitals nine months later!

Added: Monday 25 April 2016 07:32:13 MST

Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

After watching some Classic HFO episodes, I reshuffled the deck on some of my FAV and greatest episodes. As of April 25, 2016, my Top 10 Classic HFO: 1.Engaged To Be Buried 2.Draw Me A Killer 3.Hookman 4.Highest Castle, Deepest Grave 5.V:For Vashon Trilogy 6.Nine Dragons 7.Didn't We Meet At A Murder? 8.F.O.B. Honolulu 9.King Of The Hill 10.The Bomber & Mrs. Moroney. Engaged To Be Buried has many epic scenes: The cutting through the pool table with the stick, the bombing in front of the pool hall, the meeting at HFO with Chin Ho & his daughter, the flight to Father Jack's,the bombed car rolling down the hill etc. Bookman will always be in the Top 5. A real masterpiece. Curt Stoner was an expert with those hooks. McG had a rabbit's foot that episode. The Bomber & Mrs. Moroney probably an underrated episode in the Classic HFO catalog. Suspenseful and tense throughout. That shot to the bomber's head was some kind of moment as well as Danny defusing the bombs. Curious if any you Classic HFO fans have changed your top 10 list. Any new updates or FAVS to your list? John

Added: Monday 25 April 2016 00:20:28 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

Without going back and listening to all the music, it is difficult to vote. And, so, I've voted for my favorites of the music that has stood out for me, based on memory.

Morton Stevens - FIVE-0 THEME SONG
Richard Shores - NO VOTE
Harry Geller - NO VOTE
John Cacavas - DEATH MASK
Dick DeBenedictis - NO VOTE

Added: Sunday 24 April 2016 17:36:00 MST

Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I'm listing some of the more prominent Five-0 composers here. What would you say is the 1 or 2 best score(s) for each of these composers?

Morton Stevens - "Hookman" and "Over Fifty? Steal"
Richard Shores - "Forty Feet High and it Kills"
Don Ray - "Ten Thousand Diamonds and a Heart" and "Cloth of Gold"
Harry Geller - "I'll Kill 'Em Again"
Bruce Broughton - "McGarrett is Missing" and "The Finishing Touch"
John Cacavas - "Deadly Courier", "The Sleeper", "Frozen Assets"
Dick DeBenedictis - "The Skyline Killer"

Added: Sunday 24 April 2016 13:57:04 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

After some feedback and further fact-checking, I have updated my review (link in message below). Check it out!

Seriously, some of the script for this show was so bad, the writers should be sentenced to hard time in Halawa!

Added: Sunday 24 April 2016 10:26:57 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

That cannibal killer certainly did bear a resemblance to William Watson, and was equally creepy.

My review of last night's show:


Added: Saturday 23 April 2016 09:36:34 MST

Submitted by: Jason
From: Dallas

Is it just me, or did one of the inmates in tonight's episode have a look similar to original Five-O villain
William Watson, who starred in another prison-break episode "Elegy in a Rain Forest". The glasses, the teeth and the sadistic smile. Just thought I would make that observation.

Added: Friday 22 April 2016 19:04:52 MST

Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Here's my May 13 Classic HFO Finale. Dr. Fairchild a retired Cardiologist and inventor stumbles upon an experimental electronic wand device that can restart hearts on cardiac patients. It is stolen from his laboratory during a robbery of his place and several other houses on the block. The electronic device has the opposite effect for those not in cardiac trouble. Throwing the person into arrythmias and death. HFO must find the robbers who are in possession of the device. Chin Ho's HPD friend Hector and several mall customers fall prey to the device and rushed to the hospital.
Part 2. Grover is kidnapped in Hawaii by the elusive Midnight Killer who strikes victims around midnight. Grover is placed above a pit of fire and lowered every hour via a special timer and lever device. HFO is given 6 hours to raise 2 million dollars or Grover is executed. McG gets a lucky break when a night college janitor notices a silver van parked near the school. Grover was teaching a 8:30-10:30 class in Criminal Theory 2 when he disappeared.
Thanks for the great discussion on the HFO forum this week. Mr. Mike brings great info on the final new HFO episodes and some interesting plot stories. John

Added: Thursday 21 April 2016 21:46:54 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Plot for the season finale (second of the two-part show on May 13th) is as follows, as mentioned below:

In order to stop a meth epidemic on the Island, McGarrett (Alex O'Loughlin) and Danny (Scott Caan) go undercover as drug pilots, but when McGarrett is seriously wounded, Danny is forced to break their cover and land the plane in order to save his partner's life.

But there is this further spoiler from TV Guide:

Longtime Hawaii Five-0 fans know that the show likes to go out with a bang, and the Season 6 finale will be no exception. "This is really a McGarrett/Danny story, and probably the [highest] stakes that we've done between these two guys ever," showrunner Peter Lenkov says. "It puts both of them in a very life-and-death situation that will actually, at the end of it, connect them more than ever. One of them is going to save the other's life in a huge way." The ending isn't a cliff-hanger per se, but some viewers may interpret it that way, Lenkov teases. "What happens between McGarrett and Danny is going to have ripple effects into next season." And, though Gabriel plays a pivotal role in the penultimate episode but is not seen in the finale, something related to Gabriel takes "a big turn" in the final episode that will "affect Chin next year in a big way."

I got an e-mail from a friend with a Five-Zero-related WWW site, who comments on the above as follows:

"[There is discussion among some fans of the show who] think that with his ['serious wound'], Steve will need some sort of organ transplant to survive. Maybe he will lose both his kidneys and need one or maybe part of his liver or whatever the writers might come up with (but I don't really see any other organs that someone can give without dying themself). And that Danny will become a donor."

On the one hand, the above does sort of tie in with O'Loughlin's known promoting of organ donation, but on the other, as my friend further comments, "it will just be ridiculous to have Steve be an organ recipient and then do the same stuff that he has been doing in the past."

Added: Thursday 21 April 2016 14:09:57 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

I like the toys you posted, Mike. Must agree, they don't look like sanctioned ones.

While on your home page, I watched the "American Journal" interview with Marie. And that brings out one of my pet peeves: Why do people have so much trouble understanding Jack's retirement from public life and his decision to live a quiet lifestyle? That's why it's called "retirement", retiring from life in the limelight, from the public, from the media... No longer needing to promote his career, he had no reason not to retire from public life.

Okay! Enough said.

Added: Thursday 21 April 2016 11:44:59 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Some guy sent me pictures of a couple more Five-O "toys" which join those already on my site. To see these, go to the main page by clicking on the "Home Page" link above, then search for "cuffs" (without the quote marks).

All of these toys look very low-budget, and even though there are words to the effect on some of them that these are authorized by CBS, I am suspicious that they really are not.

Added: Thursday 21 April 2016 09:20:26 MST

Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

McGarrett's speechifyin' (as Big Chicken calls it) is the stuff of legend! Whether he's giving a history lesson to the Consul in "Savage Sunday" (we're a nation of laws, not men!) or an English lesson to Tasi in "Mutual Concern" (repeat after me... Korean, Chinese, Japanese) or badgering Marty Sloane to finger Bombay in "Just Lucky" (he's a procurer, a cancer... when people like you get involved... every man's death diminishes me...)

Ah, there's just nothing like it. Speechify, bruddah, speechify!! I dig, baby, I dig! Groovy!

P.S. I caught me some "Number One With a Bullet" the other night. Never cared for it when I was younger but it gets better with each rewatch. Love all that disco music! Staying alive, baby!! Dig? Shame they were only able to secure the music rights for Part 1 because Part 2 has some generic crap playing. Anyway aside from the brill music in Part 1 we got some dynamite acting from Nehemiah Persoff as Allie Francis, Ross Martin as Tony Alika, and Antony Ponzini as Ray Santoro. James Darren and Yvonne Elliman have great chemistry too. The ending is pretty emotional when Yvonne dedicates her new song to Johnny (Darren). Also Jack Lord gives one of his best performances in the entire series in the one scene where he stares down Persoff and tells him why he "sticks his neck out" (why he became a cop) - powerful emotional scene! Check out Persoff's reaction as he tries to hide his eyes behind those sunglasses.

Added: Thursday 21 April 2016 06:28:54 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

Lawrence needed a McGarrett lecture. I guess he died too early in the case. Another 10 minutes, and McGarrett would have whopped him in!!! LOL

Added: Wednesday 20 April 2016 19:12:55 MST

Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Good analysis HFO Forever. I was thinking with Lawrence gambling debts that it was strange McG didn't give Lawrence one of his McG lectures. Sometimes, these mobs or syndicate soldiers go after family. It would have been an interesting angle or red-herring. As the episode went on, you see Lawrence sold the forgery paintings to Benilaya to pay off the gambling debts. I agree with you Invitation To Murder is a good episode. Thomas was a good character. He liked his wine and was a upbeat type of person. Would have enjoyed to see Addison Barlow in flashback scenes but Eugenie and Thomas paint a full picture of him. Good points and faults. Curious if the people in the house would be sent to a new apartment or dwelling to see if Addison placed anymore poisonous traps. McG & HFO team would have to comb through it and the lab crew. John

Added: Wednesday 20 April 2016 17:19:01 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

Actually, John Chergi, "Invitation to Murder" is one of my favorite episodes. I don't liken it to "Murder, She Wrote," but to Agatha Christie's novel "And Then, There Were None" (1939).

Most of your criticisms -- i.e., not delving into Lawrence's gambling, not giving Rhia more emphasis -- can be explained by the fact that the show was told in less than one hour. If it had been given the two hours it needed, then, yes. We could have seen Lawrence's gambling get him into trouble, even before it cost him his life; Five-0's questioning their own part in Lawrence's death; and the relationship between Rhia and her husband, among other considerations.

As for what Lawrence would have done after all the forgeries were sold, that's a different issue altogether. What does any gambler (or addict) do when he runs out of money? The same thing Lawrence did: He turns to crime. That Carolyn and David were involved just goes to lend credence to Addison's criticisms of them. If I were Addison, I'd leave all my money to charity and let the bloodsuckers fend for themselves -- but, then, we wouldn't have this fascinating episode to watch.

As for the Barlow home, that is actually the Walker Estate. I copied this from RJL ( "Walker Estate. Located at 2616 Pali Highway, the Walker Estate is known to us as the home of Mike Finney in ‘All the King’s Horses’ (Season 2), the home of Nelson Blake in ‘The Ransom’ (Season 3), the home of Anita Newhall in ‘Let Death Do Us Part’ (Season 9), and the Barlow Estate in ‘Invitation to Murder’ (Season 10)." It also appeared in several episodes of "Magnum, PI". You can read about it and see a photograph here:

As for the paintings in the Barlow home, they were Jack’s works. A possible exception is the portrait of Addison Barlow, but even it is a possibility based on its bright orange background (Jack is noted for using bright colors) and the fact that Addison bears a strong resemblance to Jack’s father at the same age, except for the anger on Addison’s face. Addison was a very angry man, while Mr. Ryan was very devoted to his family and the lover of a fun time.

Added: Wednesday 20 April 2016 04:03:14 MST

Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

I had the opportunity to watch Invitation To Murder Season 10 and decided to see it again. That was the Murder She Wrote type episode where McG has to investigate the death of all the heirs. It has a different pace than most episodes as McG tries to figure out the perpetrator and who might fall dead next. I think Mr. Mike's rating of Invitation To Murder is perfect. GOOD: I thought the photography or scenes were excellent as well as the paintings. Jack Lord loved painting so he probably enjoyed this episode. I thought the Addison Barlow mansion choice was an outstanding one as he was a wealthy man. Thorpe was an interesting character liked him.
BAD:I wished Lawrence gambling addiction was explored more. McG and HFO team could have picked up Lawrence at a gambling den. I would have liked to see some of the characters he gambled with in some scenes. Riah didn't have much to say or offer. I thought the Lawrence surveillance and chase scene was cumbersome. You could argue that the chase is what made him crash not the supposedly faulty steering etc. There was also a descrepancy in Carol's ability to make the forgery paintings. Similar to Alicia Warren in Death Mask's ability to recreate the Death Mask. With Carol dead and Lawrence penchant for gambling, I wonder what Lawrence would have done when he ran out of paintings to sell.
I enjoyed McG's final theory on who was responsible for the heirs deaths. Eugenie was a beautiful and strong woman who stood up to Addison. Sad to find out Christina who played Eugenie died of cancer about 8-10 years ago. I would give Invitation To Murder 4 stars out of 6. Classic HFO Fans:What did you like/dislike about Invitation To Murder? John

Added: Tuesday 19 April 2016 20:43:01 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

Good News!

Jimmy Borges and Michael Keale, nephew of our own Moe Keale, have been nominated to receive Na Hoku Honohono music awards. The awards go to outstanding Hawaiian musicians, and Jimmy and Michael are the best!

Added: Tuesday 19 April 2016 08:04:05 MST

Submitted by: Mr. MIke
From: Vancouver

The May 13 season finale (a two-parter, though the two parts are not particularly connected):

HAWAII FIVE-0 - 2-Hour Season Finale (9:00-10:00 PM)

"Pa'a ka 'ipuka i ka 'upena nananana" - Trapped inside a dilapidated building in Oahu's Chinatown, Five-0 must protect a wounded Gabriel (Christopher Sean) and plan their escape when enemy gunmen storm the building looking to kill him and anyone who gets in their way.

HAWAII FIVE-0 (10:00-11:00 PM)

"O ke ali'I wale no ka'u makemake" - In order to stop a meth epidemic on the Island, McGarrett (Alex O'Loughlin) and Danny (Scott Caan) go undercover as drug pilots, but when McGarrett is seriously wounded, Danny is forced to break their cover and land the plane in order to save his partner's life.

Added: Sunday 17 April 2016 09:56:06 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I thought some of the funniest scenes in the last show (which was supposed to be "light-hearted") were Taylor Wily's (Kamekona's) reaction to Jerry requesting to borrow his truck to transport Mazie the elephant to the docks, unknown to KK. I loved Wily's comic timing in these brief scenes, and also his comment later that he hoped Jerry would "sanitize" the truck after using it to give Mazie a lift.

Seriously, if this show finishes (and hopefully it will at the end of next season), all the current cast should meet appropriate ends and the big guy should play the lead in a spin-off which really will be a light-hearted comedy set in Hawaii called "Shrimp Shack" or something like that. I hope the current batch of writers will not have anything to do with this, though.

Added: Sunday 17 April 2016 09:52:14 MST

Submitted by: Michael T.
From: Palatine, IL

I, too was disappointed in last night's show. What happened to the PINK elephant?

Added: Saturday 16 April 2016 19:50:17 MST

Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Thought it was about time for some possible Episodes for Season 7 new HFO. It has been renewed recently. Wonder if you have any creative ideas. Here are 4 possible episodes.
1.Station To Station. A gasoline station attendant witnesses the gang initiation killing of a local businessman. Sub Story:Jerry finds a small map inside a sci fi book at a yard sale. Starts digging up on Tantalus Mountain.
2.Marked For Death. A retired Family Practice Doctor and compulsive gambler is marked for death when he refuses to pay his markers at a mob run casino. Sub Story: Danno notices a Gabriel associate in the audience at a Gracie Choir school production. Follows him to a warehouse building down by Pier 12.
3.The New Assassins. People's Attack Group reform when Army is paroled against McG wishes at the parole board. The New Assassins take Kono and a jury hostage in a courtroom.
Sub Story:Grover runs into a vacationing Chicago cop in Hawaii who is keeping Grover in his sights.
4.Racing To Midnight. McG & HFO investigate the death of a contestant who dies after finishing an obstacle course in the popular game show Midnight Run. Jerry goes undercover as a contestant. Sub Story: Danno finds a key taped under the kitchen table and a note from his brother where to find $100,000.
Good HFO discussion this week Vrinda, Ringfire, Big Chicken, Maureen etc.

Added: Saturday 16 April 2016 14:39:38 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Last night's show reviewed:

Added: Saturday 16 April 2016 14:30:07 MST

Submitted by: Walter
From: Florida

They should have opened the show with this disclaimer: "No NFL players or elephants were harmed during the production of this episode". And closed it with: "In Memory of Tyke" - the real abused elephant killed by HPD in 1994. So the best way to ship an elephant to Thailand from Hawaii is to lock it in a steel shipping container? No comments on the Ironman/PowerRangers/Robocop/GORT suit story. I can't laugh and type at the same time.

Added: Saturday 16 April 2016 06:27:38 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

This is an excerpt from An interesting comment from someone on the Hawaii Five-O/Original Series page on Facebook:

"... they become family and touch our hearts, they share with us a time and space in history never to be repeated in the same way ever again. Being young, we imagine our experience is the only one, then as the show ages with us and leaves us to cope in a new world, we realize the new is no longer always a continuation for us, it's just not family. The new is as champagne without the bubbles, but in a bigger bottle perhaps, and with a brighter, flashier label.

Are we becoming more 'generic', 'mass produced' as people? More stamped all from the same mold? Where are the specials? The lead men who make a show sparkle, who 'talk' to who we think we are, too, or whom we dream of being and for all the right reasons? These were peers who expounded virtues and we were fed them, weekly. It was a good thing."

He was writing about the original Hawaii Five-O, Star Trek, and others. He said it perfectly.

Added: Friday 15 April 2016 20:44:17 MST

Submitted by: Jim Meehan
From: Palm City Fl.

The music in the program is way to loud,Unable to hear the script .
The program is right on . I lived in Hawaii for 3 years and worked with the Honolulu police dept . While i was with (HASP) in 69-71.
Hawaiian Armed Forces Police .
You should involve HASP There many stories to be told .

We worked with the folks when Jack Lord was 50.
I was also in charge of Water Transportation Ford Island for 2 years .
Please lower the volume on the show
Jim Meehan

[As I explained to you in response to a similar e-mail, my WWW site has no connection to either CBS or the production of this show. If you have any questions about the sound levels, please contact executive producer Peter Lenkov via @PLenkov on Twitter. By the way, if you are referring to the volume levels of tonight's (April 15th) show, I did not find them particularly loud. But the show itself was particularly stupid. - MQ]

Added: Friday 15 April 2016 20:36:39 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

More upcoming shows, including recurring characters:


"I'ike Ke Ao" – Five-0 must save a kidnapped college student from a dangerous vigilante. Also Max, Kamekona and Flippa try to survive after being shipwrecked. ("I'ike Ke Ao" is Hawaiian for "For The World To Know")

"Toast" (computer geek)


"Pilina Koko" – When a woman is murdered in her home, Five-0 learns that one of their own has a deep connection to the victim’s young daughter. Elliott Gould guest stars as Gerard Hirsch’s (Willie Garson) father [!!!!]. ("Pilina Koko" is Hawaiian for "Blood Ties")

Gerard Hirsch [puh-leeze!!]
Eric (Danno's nephew)

Added: Friday 15 April 2016 06:38:59 MST

Submitted by: hawaiian1/6scale

From: News from the small 1/6 scale office :D

Added: Friday 15 April 2016 00:36:35 MST

Submitted by: Steve's Girl
From: Germany

"As has been said, we're still quoting lines of dialogue and playing episode themes 48 years after it all began."

And I doubt very much that this will be done with the remake one (?) year after "it all began".

Added: Thursday 14 April 2016 23:05:27 MST

Submitted by: Jason
From: Dallas

Looks like another 2-hour block for the season 6 finale. According to H50's Facebook page, the final 2 episodes of the season will air on Friday May 13th. First hour will deal with Five-O protecting a wounded Gabriel from gunmen who have surrounded the building in Chinatown and 2nd hour (actual season finale) will have Mcgarrett and Dano going undercover as pilots for a drug operation, that leaves Steve seriously wounded and Dano having to fly a plane and land it safely. This would probably account for the pic that Peter Lencov posted on Twitter a couple of weeks ago.

Added: Thursday 14 April 2016 20:23:11 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

Yes, it does sum it up. He may have worn other hats, as well, that we don't know about. In any case, he was one busy dude, and it took a lot out of him. Still, the results were outstanding. As has been said, we're still quoting lines of dialogue and playing episode themes 48 years after it all began. Mahalo nui, Jack!

Added: Thursday 14 April 2016 19:27:14 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

"Sounds like Jack Lord was on a tight deadline and budget. He had to be an actor, teacher, director all rolled into one."

That just about sums it up.

Added: Thursday 14 April 2016 16:31:20 MST

Submitted by: honu59
From: New York

Hi Maureen,

"The Jinn who Clears the Way" is in season 5. It's a really good episode!

Added: Thursday 14 April 2016 06:21:44 MST

Submitted by: Maureen
From: Montana

Big Chicken! Please tell me what season the "Jinn" episode appeared. I have seasons 1 through 9 on DVD. If I have to get further seasons, I will do so (like Amazon keeps bugging me to do-Lol)Please save me some time. I am an old woman. Although quite young at heart.

Added: Thursday 14 April 2016 01:51:06 MST

Submitted by: Tyler
From: Indiana

When will h5-0 season 6 be on Netflix? [No idea, this site is not affiliated with CBS and/or Netflix. You should ask Netflix or executive producer @PLenkov via Twitter. - MQ]

Added: Thursday 14 April 2016 00:05:12 MST

Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Great conversation on Jack Lord. I'm thinking that he left his legacy with 12 mostly outstanding seasons of Classic HFO. He poured himself into the McGarrett role as well as his various duties for the show. We are still here 48 years reciting favorite episodes and lines. Jack must have done something right! I think most people have worked different jobs with different leadership styles. Some managers or bosses might laugh with you or encourage a more relaxing atmosphere. Others want you to do the work. No BS or nonsense. Sounds like Jack Lord was on a tight deadline and budget. He had to be an actor, teacher, director all rolled into one. I think most actors/actresses learned something from working with Jack on HFO.
Stumbled upon Welcome To Our Branch Office around midnight. Hadn't watched it for awhile. Double dipped with 1 of my FAV Assault On The Palace. They put a great deal of $ duplicating the HFO office. Smart criminals. Manicote for a friend seems to give credence to some of the impropriety McG and HFO are supposedly involved in. Thanks for the building contractor type guy. His recollection of the drive led them to the fake office. It was stupid for the criminal to lock his associate in the phone booth. Just plain greed and selfishness. Love when the Real HFO members booked the fake ones. I've already commented on Assault On The Palace a few times before. Lambert made his mistake not taking Kalani's wallet or watch. No sign of robbery. Had to be some one close to Kalani. I like how the Taxi Joe Map at his place led them right to the location of the kidnapped Raiders. That guy accompanied Danny and saw Taxi Joe at the station. A key part of the story. Would give both episodes an A- grade. John

Added: Wednesday 13 April 2016 22:30:36 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

You're welcome and thank you, H5O.

Added: Wednesday 13 April 2016 20:57:42 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

Good notes and interesting points, Vrinda. Thank you.

Added: Wednesday 13 April 2016 18:08:49 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

In an addendum to my previous post, I haven't come across several accounts of Jack having outbursts of any kind, so saying there were at least 5 per season is not right. I will say that out of all the people I interviewed (57 who worked on Hawaii Five-O), only two got into arguments with Jack, which they instigated. No one else saw him throw tantrums or yell at people, and the one who said he saw this behavior added that it was because of specific things people should not have been doing - messing up their lines constantly or not manning the equipment like they should. It was not Jack being a bully for the sake of being a bully.

Another reason for this labeling of Jack as "imperial ruler" as one actor put it was that people simply saw Jack walking around, watching over everything, like a plantation owner as another actor put it. They saw his gait, ascribed it to someone who was a ruler or an overseer, and judged him that way, making all sorts of assumptions as to what Jack thought of himself.

Amongst the strangest comments I got was from a director who worked on 1st season episode of Hawaii Five-O, who said Jack didn't cause him any trouble, but he still didn't care for him.

"Why didn't you care for him?" I asked.

"He was too into himself," he replied.

"How was he into himself?" I asked.

"Because I worked with him as a second assistant director on a pilot for Paramount in 1962, and he spent his spare time lifting weights," the director said.

It seems that no matter what Jack did, people found fault with it.

Added: Wednesday 13 April 2016 17:07:01 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ


1. No one kept a tally, but no one said Jack was having outbursts every day. It was not five per day, or five over the course of all 12 years, but at least 5 per season. That would be often enough to make people wonder about his true nature, but not enough to say he was a tyrant on the set and mistreated everyone. I was told that Jack got angry and had these outbursts when people didn’t learn their lines or when the crew was not doing their jobs. The bottom line is, Jack didn’t yell at people for no reason. He may have done it enough to get people to talk and for it to get into the media and used to paint him as a monster, but it was not on such a frequent basis, otherwise more people would have talked by now.

The producer on the documentary that is being made about Jack, and will air next year, used to visit Jack on the set during the last two seasons, and he said some of the crew were jerks. Some were purposely instigating problems, because they knew Jack had a short temper and would yell. So, the blame cannot be placed entirely on his shoulders. The problem is that the crew sticks up for one another and will cover up for each other, so getting someone who worked in the crew to admit to all this is difficult.

2. I think many of these people were unaware that Jack was given charge of the set, had producer responsibilities, and a cut of the ownership. Some actors believed that actors should act, directors should direct, producers should produce, and there should be no overlaps. Why it would enrage these people that an actor is in charge rather than a director or executive producer is a mystery but, like you say, it might be out of jealousy. They’re actors with no power, and see another actor – no different than they – in a position of power, and it rubs them the wrong way.

Some think they did not like the way Jack treated the crew – that he was being high-handed with them – but that depends on what you consider to be high-handed and, again, who started the behavior – Jack or the crew? The guest-stars might not have known what was really going on the set, that the crew was unruly, and the Hawaiian actors were not pros and were prone to lousing up their lines all the time, but they could not have been blind to it when they were there. They made it sound like they only noticed what Jack was doing and nothing else.

3. "Sour grapes" is a large part of it. Jack had a job they could only dream of, and they had their noses out of joint because of it, and looked for ways to discredit him, one of which could easily be exaggerating his behavior on the set.

4. The generation gap is also a factor. Many of the crew – from Hollywood as well as Hawaii – were half Jack’s age, and didn’t get the idea of doing their jobs and not wasting time fooling around. A production secretary (born c. 1939) had the gall to complain that Jack didn’t allow people to fool around when the cameras were rolling. Those were her exact words. She didn’t like that Jack didn’t want people fooling around when cameras were rolling. She said Jack was nice to her and she never had an unpleasant experience working with him, but she still had a negative view of him because the crew called her and complained about him. She never witnessed any of the incidents they complained about, and never saw any of that because she was in an office most of the time.

Speaking of "Not That Much Different," Stewart Moss knew that Jack was a producer, yet people who worked on Hawaii Five-O for years did not know. It’s strange how the lines of communication went on that show.

Focusing on the younger characters on TV shows is a way to get those demographics to watch. It’s all about getting younger audiences to buy the sponsor’s products. I find the constant exposition of the character’s quirks and personal lives to be predictable and takes away from the main storyline.

What Mike says is also correct – that Jack did not play the Hollywood game. He didn’t like the media – except for certain writers – and he hated network executives because they got in the way of things. That would lead to reporters writing hatchet pieces on him, and network execs nagging about stupid things they don’t like about how he operates.

Added: Wednesday 13 April 2016 16:13:17 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

Jack also asked for a percentage to continue playing Felix Leiter in the "James Bond" series of films. It is as though he tried to buy into projects he felt would be highly successful. When one makes an offer, he always asks for more than he thinks he will receive.

Broccoli/Saltzman ("James Bond") turned him down. Leslie Stevens ("Stoney Burke") gave him 25 percent. Gene Roddenberry ("Star Trek") turned him down. Leonard Freeman ("Hawaii Five-0") gave him 33 percent.

It is well known that Jack was an astute businessman. He belonged to a hui (a group, real estate developers, in this case) that built houses on the east side of Diamond Head, a shopping center in Hawaii Kai, etc. We saw the shopping center in several episodes, including "Who Says Cops Don't Cry?" (Season 12).

So, no. Jack wasn't being greedy. He simply was investing his earnings, which were much larger than any sum he could simply deposit into a savings account. In the first place, he earn handsome sums from acting. A deposit slip that sold on Ebay showed payment of $1,500 for one day's work spent reciting dialogue to be dubbed into a film. In today's dollars, that would be about $7,500. He also earned thousands of dollars from the sale of his paintings. The art gallery at the Ala Moana Shopping Center (seen in "The Diamond that Nobody Stole" (Season 5)) sold his paintings for as much as $10,000 each ($30,000 in today's dollars). Sell one of those each month, and you are a wealthy man.

Added: Wednesday 13 April 2016 11:00:54 MST

Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Stanley Kallis was the supervising producer during the brilliant season 3. Someone who gives us a gem like that can't be all bad. ;)

Added: Wednesday 13 April 2016 09:29:57 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

You have some good points here, H50 Forever, with some insight into "what was really 'Jack Lord's problem'."

I think that Lord did not like to play "the Hollywood game," but this struck many as being egomaniacal, and just pissed off people in the industry, both actors and those behind the camera.

Of course, you can say that Lord was just looking out for himself when he did things like reportedly asked for a 50% share in Star Trek when negotiating to play the role of Captain Kirk.

The press did not kindly take to Lord's perceived attitude either, which resulted in certain nasty articles, some of which are available via the main page of my site.

Added: Wednesday 13 April 2016 08:12:05 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

A few questions, Vrinda:

1. How often did this happen and over what period of time? For example, five outbursts in a day is serious, while five outbursts in a season might cause people to wonder, while five outbursts in twelve seasons isn't even worth thinking about.

2. Did people realize Jack had a role on the show that went beyond acting? Did they know Len hired him to help manage production and that he gave him one-third ownership, perhaps to give him the authority to help manage production?

3. Can we attribute at least a portion of the complaints to "sour grapes"? Let's face it: An actor surely must dream of starring in a highly successful television series. It doesn't come to many. Could they have been even a tad jealous?

4. Can we attribute at least a portion of the complaints to generation gap? The gap was very wide between Jack's generation (my parents' generation) and my generation. To illustrate, look at McGarrett with the peaceniks in "Not That Much Different" (Season 1). The peaceniks saw him as an enemy of peace, because he carried a gun. Even after he explained his role -- "There are dangerous animals in the world, and some of them walk on two feet. They don’t want peace, and they’re not capable of love. Society — and that means you and you and you and you — needs protection from these warped minds. And that’s my job." -- they still saw him as the enemy and didn't want to help him discover who had killed their friend.

Does it not follow, therefore, that other people saw Jack in a similar light, especially when they did not know that he had the authority to manage? They were largely from a generation that had a lighter outlook on life than did the generation that had lived through the Great Depression and World War II.

This is further illustrated in Jack's last production, "M Station: Hawaii" (1980). Although he had a large cast from the Baby Boomer generation, those in charge were from his generation: Andrew Duggan, Dana Wynter, Lyle Bettger, and himself. In my opinion, this is one reason why the pilot failed. Jared Martin, Moe Keale, et al. weren't teenagers. They were adults, in their 30s, yet to Jack's generation, they were too young to lead. At the same time, the Baby Boomer generation did not want to watch a show where the older generation bossed their generation.

The gap isn't as great today, between Mark Harmon, executive producer of "NCIS" and the younger generation of Michael Weatherly, Pauly Perrette, et al. First of all, Mark Harmon is from the generation that ushered in taking a lighter view on life, the generation that did not understand Jack's generation. Second, the casting system changed from a star system to an ensemble system so that Mark's billing isn't flaunted as a starring role (even though it is). Third, we are allowed to see the Gen Xers living their lives, doing their work, bantering, etc., which makes them more present and more real than Danno, Kono, and Chin Ho were a generation ago.

Similarly, in "Blue Bloods," while Tom Selleck and Len Cariou are seen as patriarchs, the action centers around the Gen Xers, Donnie Wahlberg, Will Estes, and Bridget Moynahan. We even see a scene each week with the still-younger generation, Andrew and Tony Terraciano. To come full circle, I think Andrew Terraciano looks like a very young Jack Lord, although less so as he gets older.

So, yes. People need to get off Jack's back. He was one cast member among many, one crew member among many, and he was authorized to manage. The changing times had far more to do with the problems on the set than Jack, as one person, did.

Added: Wednesday 13 April 2016 04:57:44 MST

Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Seattle

Hey RingFire, maybe some of us who ain't 100 years old should think about retiring some of the granddaddies.:D

Yo post on Kim Lo was outta sight baybee! Love them great lines, man. And I can dig it. You bet Kim could swing with Jerry Baybee, and even them serious swingers, Racket King Joe Matsukino and Happenin Harry Cardonus. Though, Joe might be a bit untrustin a the overly ambitious Kim and look to blow up his ride.

Oddly, couldn’t find much online bout actor Marc Marno. Mr. Mike – do you still have access to the HPD computer? Man, we need the book on Marc Marno.

Maureen – you right on bout Soon-Taik Oh. Though he specialize in playin red agents and espionagers, Chicken thought he was most awesome as young Mao enthusiast Tom Wong in the iconic ‘Jinn Who Clear The Way’ ep. Love when he tell Wo Fat you can’t teach us yankees Mao’s way "only by force." And his meltdown when confronted wit the truth bout Wo Fat by the amped-up, badgerin McGarrett was classic. Most impressive was his portrayal had a youthful exuberance and naiveté even though Soon was probably older than the Tom character.

But RingFire, Vic Tanaka was sure one messed up cat. Really dig how Soon-Taik speak in the quivery voice "why did you go away Kathy" - an unhinged portrayal man!

Added: Wednesday 13 April 2016 00:07:42 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

It's unfair how Jack was maligned and blamed for so many things which were not his doing.

It all started with people going back to California after working on the show and telling tales about Jack to other people in the business, then reporters heard about it and reprinted these stories, often exaggerating details or making them up, and conveniently leaving out the actions of the others involved, only focusing on Jack. Many writers over the years often failed to address the other side of the story - i.e. what were the crew, other actors, and guest stars doing? Were they all doing their jobs the way they should be, and Jack was just ranting and raving and throwing tantrums because he was nuts? That's what people want you to believe. In order to believe all those rumors about him, you'd have to think that Jack was coming to the set every day to pick on people for no reason. If that was the case, CBS would have pulled the plug on this show long ago.

Something else was going on at that set. It wasn't one man acting like an "egotist," a "jerk," and an "imperial ruler." People like to focus on the star of the show and everything he says or does. They don't care about the directors, first assistant directors, producers, cameramen, gaffers, extras, etc. Maybe if they did pay attention to what those people were doing as well as Jack, and understood some basic elements of TV production, they'd have a more accurate picture of what was really going on.

Added: Tuesday 12 April 2016 23:32:56 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

Yep! That's nonsense and mayhem, alright. No wonder Jack was ready to leave the show when his contract ended.

Added: Tuesday 12 April 2016 20:00:44 MST

Submitted by: Maureen
From: Montana.

Don Stroud another great actor I watched in many shows. Usually played a villain. Villains are usually the most delicious parts to play. Well done Don.

Added: Tuesday 12 April 2016 18:31:55 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Guest stars showing up drunk, or demanding to hurry up filming so they could go to the beach, as told to me by Don Stroud.

The crew was selling equipment on the black market, a production manager told me. Zulu was blaming Jack for everything he didn't like about his role, though the writers told me they came up with everything and Jack had no input, and someone stuck pot in Kam Fong's pipe. Kam didn't notice till he started having hallucinations.

An actor who guest starred on Hawaii Five-O several times over its run recalled how actors who were not getting their lines when he first guested on the show were still lousing up when he came back 5 years later.

Many of the producers were jerks. Stanley Kallis was always bothering Jack, yet he claimed that Jack was difficult. BW Sandefur was very rude as well. When he was interviewed, and the interviewer addressed him as Mr. Sandefur, he snapped back, "Either call me BW or don't talk to me at all." He didn't like Jack because Jack always won his arguments with him, he said. If the guy bites off an interviewer's head for not calling him by his initials, what was he like to work with?

There were guest stars filing false complaints against Jack with CBS. One actor claimed Jack was being mean to an actress who was in the same episode, though she did not cosign the complaint. I emailed that actress to find out, and she called me back and said all she remembered was that Jack was nice to her. "He treated me like a princess," she said. "He made sure I was taken care of."

I was told by a friend of Jack's that some of the movie stars who guest starred were acting like stereotypical movie stars - demanding that everyone wait on them. Jack wouldn't have it and told them where to get off.

Added: Tuesday 12 April 2016 16:32:43 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

What sort of "nonsense and mayhem"? Fill us in.

Added: Tuesday 12 April 2016 13:02:42 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Maureen, I'm the last to take anything away from the original.

I point out the fact that it was a moneymaker for CBS in case anyone questions it. The truth is, it all boils down to money. What makes money stays. What doesn't, goes. The only show that stayed on CBS for so many years because of William Paley's good graces was Gunsmoke. Paley didn't like any other show. This is the guy who had Gilligan's Island canceled to keep Gunsmoke in the schedule.

Paley was the one who told Fred Silverman to cancel all the rural sitcoms - Green Acres, The Beverly Hillbillies, etc. - and Silverman took the blame. With all that going on, we're lucky that Hawaii Five-O became a success and was kept running for 12 seasons. There was a lot of nonsense and mayhem behind the scenes on the set, which was unfairly blamed on Jack. People don't like it when I defend him, but that's tough for them.

The new show has its issues as well, which will all come out in the wash someday.

Added: Tuesday 12 April 2016 10:49:29 MST

Submitted by: Maureen
From: Montana

Vrinda -nothing is going to take away anything from the original five o. A classic that I used to watch on Tuesday nights? with the ex. The current show is the pits.

Added: Tuesday 12 April 2016 00:12:38 MST

Submitted by: Maureen
From: Montana

Soon Tak-Oh was and hopefully still is a wonderful actor. Have watched and enjoyed his performances many times. Creep me out on occasion? Yes. That is what he was supposed to do. Did it very well.

Added: Monday 11 April 2016 23:16:37 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

In all fairness, the original show was kept on the air for so long because it was a moneymaker, not because the execs at CBS liked it or had any great love for Jack Lord. They gave him a lot of trouble - most of the time for no reason - and he gave it right back to them. He just wanted to be left alone to do his job and make the show the way he wanted and turn out a good production for his audience, but CBS with its bureaucratic idiocy kept interfering.

Added: Monday 11 April 2016 22:46:54 MST

Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

You got it, Chick! Soon Taik-Oh as Vic Tanaka was one seriously sick pup. The way he kept saying "Kathy" was pretty creepy.

Oh man, Afuso putting water in sake! :D You fracture me with that bit. You're beautiful, dad. You shouldn't be up here in the cheap seats doing your act, you should be on the stage.

Man don't have a match, and he's asking for half a million dollars. :D

Kim Lo and Jerry could swing like crazy. Dig????

Added: Monday 11 April 2016 20:44:12 MST

Submitted by: Maureen
From: Montana SS

Sisters on point. Gotta love it. Especially considering I used to be a ballet dancer. How is that for irony? LMAO.

Added: Monday 11 April 2016 13:52:44 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

I think that should be 47-1/2 years, but the point's the same.

Added: Monday 11 April 2016 12:48:30 MST

Submitted by: Maureen
From: Montana

Vrinda - Precisely my point.

Added: Monday 11 April 2016 11:52:25 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

It's such a shame that it's all to do with money and that quality seems so unimportant these days. No doubt, this show will be forgotten long before it's been in syndication for 48-1/2 years!

Added: Monday 11 April 2016 08:17:27 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

As long as Les gets his cash returns from this show, he'll keep it on the air. That's the only reason why he's giving it the shelf life it's had.

Added: Monday 11 April 2016 07:29:32 MST

Submitted by: The Big Chicken
From: 12th Season Man

Right on, Ringfire! Good one, brudda.

Hey, like yoself Chicken also really dig season 4's "No Bottles" & "Ladies Free." Real cool watchin Steve N the boys pullin a brainstormin all-niter to solve the Ladies Free case thru solid po-leece work while PI Jerry just strong armin N extortin. "No Danno - Jerry will be coming with us." Great Monte Markham portrayal and our man Soon Taik Oh is super creepy as ole Vic. Soon's Tanaka should get special mention in the Five-O psycho annals. And Chicken always love when Steve-O tell Jerry "If your gonna bleed - do it in private. I don't wanna watch it." Yeah Steve!

Kim Lo Lang 's The man! Put downs, how bout him tellin Afuso he put water in his Sake. :D You know, that’s kinda what the Lenkov Five Zero be like, like watered down sake.

Added: Sunday 10 April 2016 21:15:08 MST

Submitted by: Maureen Brockman
From: the great state of Montana

Got it right in one, Ringfire.I used to think this was funny. No longer. Quite frankly,I find this insulting. Although I would still like to laugh. Doesn't seem to be possible right now.

Added: Sunday 10 April 2016 18:28:11 MST

Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Maybe Les (and Lenkov) only own season 12 of the original show and think that's the high watermark that they need to hit. Unfortunately they haven't hit that mark yet. :D

Added: Sunday 10 April 2016 14:56:55 MST

Submitted by: Maureen Brockmann
From: the great state of Montana

Sorry I missed the latest episode. Sounds like it was a real hoot. Why is this sorry excuse for a show still on? A real mistake on your part? Les?

Added: Sunday 10 April 2016 10:15:34 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

That is an excellent "anal-ysis" by darkavenger77. As mindless entertainment, this latest episode was not bad, but the show can be ripped apart on a much more basic level. See my review. I couldn't believe how bad Kono's reactions were while she and McGarrett were flying in the helicopter!

Added: Sunday 10 April 2016 07:58:40 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

You're welcome, Fred and Honu. I only wish I was perceptive in picking these things up as darkavenger77.

What stood out to me was when Grove started firing his gun into the jungle, before the bad guys returned fire. He had to have fired 5 shots already, but still had several more bullets left when they fired back. He was carrying an ordinary revolver, not a machine gun.

Honu, they must be saving money by not hiring proofreaders.

Added: Saturday 09 April 2016 23:38:19 MST

Submitted by: honu59
From: New York

Thanks for posting these, Vrinda! I had a good laugh.

17. When you say "Let's split up" always be sure to follow it up by saying "Come with me."

My husband pointed this one out during the show. He couldn't believe Steve said that. Said it sounded like something from a skit from Saturday Night Live.

Does anyone do any proof reading of these scripts??

Added: Saturday 09 April 2016 19:37:35 MST

Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Miklos Rozsa is one of the greatest composers in the history of film - right alongside other greats like John Barry (my favorite), Jerry Goldsmith, John Williams, and Ennio Morricone. His BEN-HUR score is probably the greatest film score ever composed. I have the 2-disc soundtrack and it takes my breath away and makes my ears melt each time I listen to it, especially around Easter. Simply sublime and heavenly! God-inspired!

Added: Saturday 09 April 2016 19:07:18 MST

Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

Funny stuff Vrinda. All true about the episode. It was a very lame plot, but somehow, a bit entertaining.

And where was the new member of Five-O, Abby? What happened to Chin? Only room for 2 in the helicopter? And why couldn't they hijack Kamekona's helicopter like they always do? Very lame, mindless stuff.

Added: Saturday 09 April 2016 17:07:23 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Posted by darkavenger77 on the IMDb, about last night's show:

This episode was an instant classic.

1. Electronic devices frying in microwave ovens don't emit any odor until after you open the door.

2. The National Crime Information Center (NCIC) when accessed in Hawaii has info on FBI agents. For everyone else it only has info about criminals and crimes.

3. The FBI, not the Marshal's Service, handles protected witnesses.

4. When you're a cop that goes into the protected witness program, you can still be a cop when you are relocated. You can even join a high-profile unit like 5-0.

5. It's OK to pull on a uniformed HPD officer while wearing casual clothing and not tell him you're an FBI agent. Top it off by handcuffing the officer and leaving him in his car.

6. Hiding a black protected family in Provo, Utah that has a black population of 3/4 of one percent is a good idea.

7. Dropping the keys to your SUV in the water will... well, it won't really do anything other than make it difficult to move the SUV.

8. I was hoping Clay would get some payback. He should learn that if you want something done right you have to do it yourself.

9. The FBI dude used to play a Human Target (2010) and co-starred with Grover, so he has prior experience with both protecting people and Grover.

10. Landing an empty airplane at a runway in Hawaii will result in your being handcuffed and threatened at gunpoint. Great stuff!

11. Despite having an 8.3 billion dollar budget, the FBI uses SUVs that are over 10 years old.

12. Protected witnesses are always allowed to drive themselves in an FBI vehicle.

13. When you are several gun thugs in an SUV trying to stop another SUV, don't shoot at it until after you crash.

14. Some chick with a badge can easily commandeer a helicopter. Good thing it was no longer TC's chopper.

15. We're going to do this the old fashioned way.

16. Grover is no better at driving than he is at obeying the Illinois penal laws.

17. When you say "Let's split up" always be sure to follow it up by saying "Come with me."

18. Philly gun thugs with automatic weapons and unlimited ammo for all sides= another The A-Team (1983) shootout!!! Yeah, baby! This show never fails to disappoint.

19. When you're being closely pursued in a jungle by gun thugs, always raise your voice and yell at your kid.

20. Always bring a lucky knife to a gunfight.

21. When you only have one handgun and one magazine, randomly fire into the jungle.

22. WTH? Grover ran out of ammo!

23. Grover's wife is a better shot than he is. Must have been her time in Florida on The Glades (2010).

24. It's easy to find your way out of a dense jungle.

Added: Saturday 09 April 2016 12:07:31 MST

Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Hey Big Chick,

When you get right to it most of the seasons started off pretty strong. You mentioned season 2 starting out strong and you're right - with the exception of "Babe Ruth" the other 3 are top-notch, especially "Thousand Pardons" and "Just Lucky". Charley Bombay and Sgt. Simms are the 2 most primo villains of the 2nd season!

Then look at season 3 - "And a Time to Die", "Trouble in Mind", "The Second Shot", "Time and Memories" - all superb episodes! Season 1 you got "Fathom Five", "Strangers", "Tiger by the Tail" (with Jerry Bay-Bee!), and "Samurai". You already mentioned season 4 - I especially dig "No Bottles" and "Wednesday, Ladies Free". I also dig the season 5 openers - "Tantalus" is a bit weaker but the other 3 are top-notch. "Company Policy" introduces us to Duke and gives us a real trip with the all-powerful Bryce Halsey pulling all the strings. Bill Shatner is a hoot trying to take over the blackmail racket from Veritex in "You Don't Have to Kill". And JMac probably gives us his best acting performance in "Pig in a Blanket".

You're right that Albert Paulsen as Matty Edmonds was channeling a bit of that old Charley Bombay. He really lost it when he put a contract on a poor punchy like Willy. The boys back in Detroit got worried and it's pau, bruddah. Yep, and Hawkins really wanted to set things right in this country and wasn't about to get buried with peace and poetry and pot. Oh man, Kim Lo Lang was a trip! He flips me, man! The way he talks to Li Wing (especially towards the end on the bench at the Waikiki War Natatorium) with all them put-downs is a total gaaaas! Far out, bay-bee!

Added: Friday 08 April 2016 08:15:09 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

There is another Grover-centric show tonight.

According to info from CBS Press Express below, Grover is being pursued by some mob boss who is connected with his past in Chicago.

After the very horrible Grover show earlier this season (the first one of the reboot I have given a "BOMB" rating to) where Grover went to Chicago, broke into his pal Clay Maxwell's house, tied him up, etc., etc., I thought "Mr. Spoiler" Lenkov suggested a "later show" (i.e., tonight's) would have some follow-up.

My theory is ... this "connection with the past" is for a case that Grover and Maxwell worked on together way back when. But Maxwell is sort of pals with this "mob boss," who owes him a favor, and even though Maxwell is facing charges and/or went to jail after Grover's escapades, like typical guys incarcerated on Five-Zero, he will find a way to send word to his mob boss pal that he wants revenge for Grover torturing him.

Added: Friday 08 April 2016 08:00:44 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

Thank you for the opportunity to listen to some of Miklos Rozsa's music. I particularly like his pronounced use of woodwinds and French horns, as well as his use of dissonants and resolutions.

Added: Thursday 07 April 2016 17:52:05 MST

Submitted by: Steve's Girl
From: Germany

Thank you, Mr. Mike, for providing the "Miklos -Rosza -link". I love his music very much.

Added: Thursday 07 April 2016 03:14:06 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

In the last few days, I have redone all the photos I took of Miklós Rózsa's appearance in Toronto and Hamilton in 1977 on my WWW page, painstakingly restored from the original negatives.

There is a long story connected with one of these pictures, the original negative of which has been lost for over 25 years and recently found by me in a pile of other negatives connected with Five-O.

Added: Tuesday 05 April 2016 20:02:55 MST

Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Sea-town, NoNoWest

Hey Ringfire - right on brudda! We can't have Chahlee buckin the system. What we got then? -No System!

Hookman, Draw Me a Killa, and Happy Family be a righteous line-up of eps. And Season 7's Young Assassins & Kill 'Em Again are all timers. Season 5 had a great in-season fourfer with the Vashon trilogy and Clock Struck 12. I woulda included Season 2's openers of Thousand Pardons, 40 Feet High and the Chahlee Bombay epic: Just Lucky, but that Babey Ruth ep (a personal favorite of Mr. Mike) done kills it.

Chicken really digs the Season 4. An speakin a Ole Charlie, it was great to see Al Paulsen back as the Bombayesque mainland gangsta Matty Edmonds duelin with Steve-O in "Nine, Ten - Yo Dead." Edmonds' is freegin loco puttin out a contact on a down&out ex-pugilist N he brings that Bombay menace to the islands but whats wit them sunglasses? An awsome ep that was though - great Moses Gunn in a crime story N mo'!

And besides Jerry-Babee bein back in "For A Million" as the bitter heister Hawkins, poppin-a-cap in erstwhile printer and future DA Manicote, Chicken also dug gangsta Kim Lo Lang in 'Mutual Concern.' Kim Lo a purveyor a that hip lingo like Jerry and seems like Kim could be swingin with Joe & Harry Babee.

Love that Steve-O send big shot phoney Asian crime boss Li Wing back to Taiwan flying coach! Man, great, great stuff. And mo great Season 4 eps to go:

Good times Comin'
Let em Roll
Let em Roll!

Added: Monday 04 April 2016 20:52:51 MST

Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Hey Big Chick,

Jerry Bay-Bee don't dig Brother Jack because the Brother done put a bullet in Jerry's gut. Big Chick got off easy - he just went on singing "ain't no big thing" in the shower stalls. Still telling others they can't buck the system. Even after the Chahlee/Steve-O Five-O encounter.

Season 4 is indeed a great season and "Rest in Peace, Somebody" is one of the finest 1-hour moments in television history. Five-O at its very very best!!! 4 stars is too low for that gem. I give it 16 stars, bay-bee!! Heck, 164 stars!!! Outta sight, maaaan!!

I would say that season 6 has the strongest set of opening episodes. "Hookman", "Draw Me a Killer", "One Big Happy Family". Any one episode out of that trio could be the top episode of any given season. Here they are back to back kicking off a season!! Even if "Charter for Death" is lesser than those 3 it still doesn't prevent it from being the strongest start to any season. Season 7 also has a very strong start with the trio of "The Young Assassins", "A Hawaiian Nightmare", and "I'll Kill 'Em Again".

Added: Sunday 03 April 2016 21:20:35 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Last night's show reviewed:

Added: Saturday 02 April 2016 08:59:39 MST

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