Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- April 2013

The Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- April 2013

The following are archived comments from April 2013. After looking around, please add your own comments!

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Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Uh, Larry ... what do you mean "you writers"?

Do you seriously think this page is officially connected with the new (or the old) show? Do you think that anyone around here "writes" for the new show?

If you have complaints about the writing, please direct them to @plenkov on Twitter or to CBS through various Five-O sites on places like Facebook.

I'd really like to know how you were motivated to come to this page. Are you one of the people following me on Twitter? If so, it's nice that you finally decided to drop by and post your opinion.

Will you follow up with a response to this? I hope so...

Oh, by the way, the word is "Pidgin." :!devil:

Added: Tuesday 30 April 2013 22:44:47 MST

Submitted by: Larry
From: Mainland

:!mad: Worst episode ever! You writers are disgracing the original TV series. You give locals a bad name! Keep it up, you no going last! (Pigeon talk, for you writers.)

Added: Tuesday 30 April 2013 22:16:56 MST

Submitted by: Joekido
From: ???

Here's the summary for the season finale


I bet McGarret and Wo Fat are half brothers. Lenkov is know for being predicatible. I mean just look at the season 3 opening. Ill watch it just to see if that is true or not. If they turned out to be half brothers it would be super lame. Lenkov is known for making lame storylines. Plus Kono gets in trouble again for being framed for a murder she did not committed. First Kono got thrown off force to be undercover, then she got kidnapped and shoved into the ocean and now this? Lenkov can't even seem to come up with creative ways to end the season.

Plus Wo Fat ending up in prison is getting tiring. I prefer the original Wo Fat even better. Sorry Mark.

Added: Tuesday 30 April 2013 21:17:56 MST

Submitted by: Bill K.
From: Detroit area

One more similarity between FOB Honolulu and the April 29 episode:

-- Both include a makeshift map (Micha, finding a pad where a map has been drawn, uses a pencil of the impression that had been left on the pad; the April 29 episode had a tattoo that was really a map).

If already mentioned, apologies, but I only took a quick look.

Added: Tuesday 30 April 2013 17:59:39 MST

Submitted by: corkscrew
From: Jamaica

Worst show ever couldn't stomach the whole show. I f they call this even an attempt at entertainment they are sadly mistaken. I usually enjoy the show but this turned me right off

Added: Tuesday 30 April 2013 17:23:02 MST

Submitted by: Karen
From: Rhode Island

I thought last night's show was innovative. I agree that the way 5-0 treated the talk show host was hilarious. I smiled most of the episode.

Added: Tuesday 30 April 2013 16:43:32 MST

Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

Another great icon of H50 (and moreso, old Hawai'i) bites the dust. The Nadjatorium will be basically destroyed. I call it that cuz everytime Nadja comes to Hawai'i, we hang there, she loves and respects the place much... Anyway, search the staradvertiser for the story, i do not link in the guestbook.

Added: Tuesday 30 April 2013 15:48:58 MST

Submitted by: ab so
From: miami, fl

on the "how to steal a masterpiece" episode, just as one of the masked robbers junped from the roof to hit the gurd you can see his bare hands, but on the following scene as he opens the door he is wearing gloves

Added: Tuesday 30 April 2013 14:48:49 MST

Submitted by: Joekido
From: ???

Even with the rating so low, they'd still be hardcore fans out there. People would would still love the series even if the episode is terrible; with 0.0 ratings CBS would still profit from this show. If the show gets cancelled, it would be like how the show Firefly got; it would still be loved, hardcore fans will still watch it, people will still remember it. They don't care about the bad music, gross violance, shaky camera, absurd dialogues and all that jazz, this show will always have fans. Just like Star Trek Enterprise.

Oh yeah I do notice that the show is taking everything from the original series. Does that mean CBS does care about the show's rating? CBS has shown in the past that they do not care about the show's direction. I don't think they cared now.

Added: Tuesday 30 April 2013 11:27:51 MST

Submitted by: series watcher
From: US

I normally watch and enjoy this series, but not this last show. I can’t believe they were that desperate for story line! The photography was so amateurish that I was unable to watch the show – as someone else mentioned it made me dizzy! I will probably watch again just to give them a chance to redeem themselves with a better story line… :!cry:

Added: Tuesday 30 April 2013 11:25:42 MST

Submitted by: Tony
From: SF

Monday's show. I thought I would give the show another chance, but after the first five minutes I started to get dizzy from all the jump cuts and the shakey cam so I gave up.

Added: Tuesday 30 April 2013 10:49:35 MST

Submitted by: Jeff
From: Denver

My first thought once counterfeit plates and Wo Fat both turned up was "F.O.B. Honolulu". Not only that, but you had Wo Fat wounded at the end (although he didn't get away this time), you had a Russian mobster, the guy who originally creates/steals the plates winds up dead. I think they did more than just remake Hookman this season--this was a hybrid of "Cop on the Cover" and "F.O.B." Not only that, but it seems like AOL's hair is getting thicker and bushier, and his sideburns are growing longer. Seriously--look back at season 1 and 2 episodes for a comparison if you don't believe this. They seem to have hit a wall in the first half of the season and are now taking more cues from the original series, given that Hookman did well in the ratings.

I'd give this one 3 stars, good but still flawed in several instances, most notably the two Wo Fat appearances at the beginning and end, which amounted to nothing more than video game-style camp: "There's Wo Fat! Get him!" (followed by a hail of bullets).

I liked the whole conceit of the show being an episode of "Savannah"--fairly clever, and for the most part, they played true to the setup pretty honestly through most of the show. Aisha Tyler did a great job as the host, which easily could have been done in a far campier manner than it was, but then, I've liked her in other stuff she's done on TV. Very likeable talent, which is probably why she was cast. I liked a lot of the camerawork, and the special FX with the charred Wo Fat was particularly gruesome and well done. Nice way of having a helicopter crash, too, without having to show it on camera (and saving major $$ on CGI work) compared to what they would have had to do if it was a normal show.

More importantly, this show serves as a re-introduction of the characters to new viewers, as if they are almost trying to capture new viewers with this one. Perhaps because CBS wanted the ratings erosion addressed in some fashion? Wouldn't this be a way to do it? I don't think it will help the show's ratings much, if at all, though.

Other things I liked: the Kamekona bit was amusing, and the lack of music was wonderful!

One thing I hated: Max. Absolutely ridiculous. Oh well.

Also, I called the tattoo-as-map twist early on---why else would they need the tattoo?

In short, I think the show has a chance creatively if they continue to look to the old series for inspiration as they now seem to be doing. Two of the season's better shows were this one and "Hookman". Hopefully the ratings will continue to reflect that.

There were several lines of dialogue from AOL in this episode that TOTALLY reminded me of the types of things Jack Lord would say, especially at the first crime scene at the beginning (I can't remember the exact words). Further proof, perhaps, that they are trying to make AOL more Lord-like and that the old show is providing more fodder for them now.

I'm going to call it right here and now (for Season 4): since they do seem to be going back to the original for more inspiration than ever before, and as long as these types of shows continue to provide good ratings, I think they will do their own version of "V for Vashon" in Season 4 with a multi-episode arc involving a mob family? They seem to be tapping into some of the bigger concept episodes of the original series, and they don't get much bigger than Vashon, especially as they are desperate to get the ratings up. So I'm calling it here. Next season we will see something like this that takes place over several episodes.

Added: Tuesday 30 April 2013 10:34:48 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Bad ratings! http://bit.ly/15Xn4UR "Hawaii Five-0 earned a series low [3rd place] 1.7 adults 18-49 rating down 6 percent from a 1.8 on April 15."

You have to wonder, is it worth it for CBS to produce another 16 shows (24 x 3 = 72 + 16 = 88) just to do this syndication deal? Will they really make that much more money from the syndication deal as opposed to how much $$ they will have to shell out to produce those 16 shows?

Added: Tuesday 30 April 2013 09:45:44 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Michelle Borth may have a problem:


Added: Tuesday 30 April 2013 09:37:57 MST

Submitted by: Joekido
From: ???

The rating is 7.7 million. Can't tell if that's higher or lower

Added: Tuesday 30 April 2013 09:36:38 MST

Submitted by: Frank
From: Wisconsin

Hey Joekido, I know, if that is Wo Fat, he will escape with being on a secure floor and surrounded by dozens of police. But Mr. Mike I believe you are correct with Wo Fat's double. They found a way to get in the "required" cargument, with an audience in back seat!! My opinion, not too many redeeming points in last night's show except the writers clever way of telling us Charlie's name is Che.

Added: Tuesday 30 April 2013 08:17:39 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Cop on the Cover or F.O.B. Honolulu?

In F.O.B. Honolulu, Wo Fat is in Hawaii and after U.S. currency printing plates (the value has gone up from $20 to $100). Other interesting coincidences between last night's show and this episode (thanks to Jeff for pointing some of this out):

- One of the other bidders on the plates is a Russian, played by Roger C. Carmel
- Some big shot in Washington, D.C. has a major interest in the case
- There is a battle with a helicopter in an out-of-the-way location
- The guy who originally has the printing plates in his possession ends up dead
- At the end of the show, Wo Fat is seriously wounded, but is not captured

Added: Tuesday 30 April 2013 07:18:12 MST

Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC


Added: Tuesday 30 April 2013 06:20:17 MST

Submitted by: Wil M
From: Phoenix AZ

I agree this show was dumb. I do not like the whole lets follow the team. CBS "WAKE UP!!!!" DO NOT RUIN THIS SHOW TOO.

Added: Tuesday 30 April 2013 03:27:17 MST

Submitted by: Alice
From: Los AngelesP

Please: no more Savannah Walker!
Thought tonight's episode was really lame!

Added: Monday 29 April 2013 23:12:31 MST

Submitted by: mike
From: livermore

Worst f ive o ever. Sucked..

Added: Monday 29 April 2013 22:59:17 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

That is not Wo Fat in the hospital bed, it is his double. You may recall in the old show in the episode Here Today ... Gone Tonight (one of my least favorites), McGarrett mentions that Wo Fat has >two< doubles.

Added: Monday 29 April 2013 21:04:35 MST

Submitted by: Joekido
From: ???

Now with Wo Fat caught, again, how will he escape this time?

Added: Monday 29 April 2013 20:50:27 MST

Submitted by: stefan majta
From: Winnipeg Manitoba

I watch Hawaii Five-O all the time. This latest one I was totally turned off. It sucked big time. The Press are nothing but trouble ! If the show was like this all the time ; then I would watch it anymore... And take the bloody adds off the screen while the show is running !!!

I hope your show gets back on Par and PS I do not like that press actress at all ...

Added: Monday 29 April 2013 20:35:23 MST

Submitted by: J
From: MN

I've seen every episode and I loved 90% of them, the other 10% were still good but just not my style. This episode was an embarrassment. I hope this was just a bad dream. I was about to turn it off (which I have never done), then Wo Fat appeared. Too bad he had to appear in such an annoying episode.

Added: Monday 29 April 2013 20:27:31 MST

Submitted by: Michael T
From: Palatine, IL

I'm going to stick my head over the fence and vote with the bunch that liked tonight's show. Granted some of the attempt at humor was contrived and painful-we have seen that before. The plot premise was unique, inventive and within a reasonable range of plausability. It was nice to get away from sky-surfing into North Korea with your girlfiend in tow. Perhaps this represents an attempt to get away from some of the more sensationalized lazy writing plots, and if so, the effort should be acknowledged.

Added: Monday 29 April 2013 20:25:34 MST

Submitted by: Joekido
From: ???

Looks like this episode is getting a low rating Mr. Mike.

I really don't like tonight's episode

Added: Monday 29 April 2013 20:15:38 MST

Submitted by: bee
From: iowa

Very boring show tonight. Hope there's no plans to use this format again.
Love this show but tonights was one of the worst episodes. Rate it 0

Added: Monday 29 April 2013 20:03:55 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Hmmm, I'll have to agree to disagree with you, Renee.


I thought this episode was much better than I expected. The whole talk show concept was pretty cleverly done, though I was disappointed by the audience -- they should have been oohing and aahing a lot more. As well, there were many instances where Savannah and her crew were privy to far too much information.

The episode (of Five-0, not the talk show) didn't entirely work because the case got VERY convuluted with this business about the tattoo and the park, in other words, a typical Five-0 plot complication written in such a way it almost completely defies logic.

As well, the girl friend's brother was the actual killer, but his criminal past was only briefly hinted at and impossible to pick up from the mug shot which was seen for only a fraction of a second and listed his past crimes as assault, attempted murder and breaking and entering.

Towards the end, I got the impression that Savannah was not really the show host, but just the narrator of what was going on with the case on the monitors.

The way that Five-O treated her was hilarious, with Max acting totally geeky and Danno telling her and the camera crew to "beat it." The whole show was full of quotable lines.

Did anyone notice that Charlie Fong's name is actually "Che"? Has this ever been officially established before?

One thing that I REALLY liked about the show -- there was almost NO MUSIC!!

At the end, Wo Fat suddenly appears flying a helicopter, presumably trying to escape from the crime scene. Notice that this episode revolved around Wo Fat trying to get stolen currency plates. Hmmm, doesn't this seem familiar, along with the Cop on the Cover angle that I mentioned earlier?

I love the line McGarrett gave Savannah at the end when she asked whether Wo would make it: "I don't care."

Added: Monday 29 April 2013 19:39:38 MST

Submitted by: renee
From: winona, mn

Tonights presentation is a BAD idea! Rating? 0

Added: Monday 29 April 2013 19:26:37 MST

Submitted by: Joekido
From: ???

Why must Kono get in trouble in every end of every seasons?

Added: Monday 29 April 2013 18:10:46 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Gimmick in tonight's show, courtesy of kwch.com:

During Monday's Hawaii Five-0, something might catch your eye.

All during the episode, there will be a logo in the bottom left hand corner for the Savannah Walker Show.

It's all part of the plot, which calls for a talk show host and her crew to follow the investigators for a day for a behind-the-scenes look.

There is no Savannah Walker Show, it's all part of the story, so don't get confused.

Also the following from 50undercover.com:

Tonight's brand-new episode of Hawaii Five-0 sees The Talk's Aisha Tyler playing daytime talk-show host Savannah Walker in "Imi loko ka ‘uhane (Seek Within One's Soul).” Savannah scores a ride-along for herself and her camera crew after Governor Denning's office green-lights her project; predictably, McGarrett and his team are less than enthused with the idea.

Hmmm, where have we heard of this kind of plot before? Maybe season 10 of the original show's The Cop on the Cover where a pain-in-the-ass reporter doing a feature story on Five-O follows McGarrett around only after the Governor orders him to allow her to do so?

Are we at the season 10 level of the new show yet?

Added: Monday 29 April 2013 16:45:01 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.


You're welcome! I only hope that makes an impact.

About: Paniolo, To Kill or Be Killed, and and The Last Eden all dealt with important issues of the time, and now.

Paniolo was about the struggle to maintain traditional Hawaiian values and ancestral land, and Paniolo's finding that his old way of life was dying out. It was a brilliant character study, with a powerful performance from Frank Silvera. That last scene where he dies is very heartwrenching. It wasn't just a man dying, but an entire history. Paniolo's death seemed like a metaphor for the Hawaiian culture in general, which was undergoing a lot of changes in the years after Hawaii became a state.

TKOBK involved the topical issue of the day - Vietnam. Minus the younger brother's draft issue, the storyline is very relatable today. The older brother feeling guilt about murdering an entire village in Vietnam and killing himself over it sounds similar to the suicide cases of Iraq and Afghanistan vets. The last scene where they play that tape where he confesses is painful to see and hear, when he describes what he did. Even Steve and Danny are having trouble keeping their emotions in check.

The Last Eden revolved around environmental problems which still plague Hawaii and the rest of the world, and something that was not often talked about on cop shows of the time.

I give the writers of these episodes credit for reflecting the issues and events of the time in an honest and realistic fashion, without flash and sass, and for going beyond the typical cops and robbers and whodunnits that other cops shows resorted to.

Added: Monday 29 April 2013 15:31:26 MST

Submitted by: Tim Sweem
From: Lincoln, Nebraska

Why is it that last monday all the four major networks had new show son but Five-O had a rerun. You have failed misrable this season. Whenever you hasve had new shows on, which is rare they are not very good. Get new writers or tell the writers you have to come up with a good show and get your edge back. The shows are ridiculous and silly, need to get IT back.

Added: Monday 29 April 2013 14:54:12 MST

Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Aisha Tyler was the mole Marianne Taylor in season 4 of "24". She did a great job playing a real b!tch.

Added: Monday 29 April 2013 10:20:19 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Tonight's episode synopsis: Hawaii Five-0 Season 3 Episode 21 "Imi loko ka ‘uhane” – Five-0 allows a talk show host and her crew to follow them for the day, but the investigation turns dangerous when they have a run-in with Wo Fat, on HAWAII FIVE-0, Monday, April 29 (10:00-11:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network. THE TALK co-host Aisha Tyler guest stars as talk show host Savannah Walker.

CBS further Tweeted: Aisha Tyler of The Talk pushes the boundaries in her guest starring role on a new #H50.



Added: Monday 29 April 2013 08:44:41 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

No, I didn't notice that. At least the guy named Garrett didn't have a first name of "Mac"! :D

Added: Monday 29 April 2013 08:16:03 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Mike, did you notice that someone named "Garrett" bought the nickel and that someone, given name "Ryan," sold it? ROFL You have to wonder about these coincidences.

Added: Monday 29 April 2013 08:06:28 MST

Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Hi Vrinda,

Thanks for the insight. I'm starting now telling everyone. Please don't travel to India until the brutal rapes of women stop. If people knew the details of the attacks, especially the bus incident in December they would know why so many are horrified about what is going on there.

Areas of Disagreement with Ringfire. I loved "Paniolo," especially the ending. "To kill or be Killed," I thought was outstanding as well. "Didn't we meet at a Murder" fell out of my top ten because of what I think is a muddled ending.

Otto, I understand your IMMENSE dislike of the new Five-O show as I dislike it intensely as well, but you must realize that how this awful show ends up will affect the future of any Hawaii Five-o projects for the big screen or TV, and it also affects the brand name. The viability of Hawaii Five-O in a different form will be affected by how this travesty of a TV show ends up. That is why many are interested in the new show. I could care less about the new show, but I do care about future Five-O projects that would be better, especially movie versions after this turkey goes off the air.

"The Big Kahuna" was a lightweight season ender, it was almost like they shot the show very early, knew they had aN average to fair show, and dumped it at the end to get rid of it.

I thought "The Grandstand Play" was superb. Very effective character study, solid acting, mean villains who stop at nothing, enjoyed the baseball theme, and a solid emotional ending. I'm really surprised that some don't like this episode because I thought it was a great way to end the year.

Added: Monday 29 April 2013 07:35:22 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The $100,000 nickel has gone up in value:


The story about how the nickel was involved in a car crash is very reminiscent of the Five-O episode where it was put in a coin box, dropped on the street, and handled by numerous people!

Added: Monday 29 April 2013 07:32:53 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The last time I watched Angel in Blue with resulting changes to my review was in December 2010 when the DVDs of this season came out. The score for this episode (and the next one, When Does a War End?) both went down from 1/2 star to nothing, and I still think this episode is a stinker. Feel free to expound on why you think this is a good show, though!

Added: Sunday 28 April 2013 09:08:48 MST

Submitted by: Tony
From: SF

Mr. Mike:

I notice that you sometimes rewatch episodes and change your initial star ratings on them.

When is the last time you watched Angel in Blue from season 10 with Carol Linley?

I thought it was much better then you gave it credit for (you gave ZERO stars)

I think it is actually one of the better episodes from season 10 with a great score.

Added: Saturday 27 April 2013 13:45:27 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Just use Write (Wordpad) if you are composing your messages and they have numbers or bullets in them. I don't know if you start to do things like this

1. Whatever
2. Whatever
3. Whatever

if Word will automatically use tabs in a situation like this by default.

If using Wordpad, then just create the text like this:


Added: Saturday 27 April 2013 07:25:58 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Sorry, Mike. Your program is far from the only one that does not accept Word. My web provider doesn't work well with Word, especially not in IE. I have to use Firefox to stand a chance of composing a page. Will do my best to remember not to compose lists in Word, which is frustrating even when developing a Word document. Aargh!!!

Added: Friday 26 April 2013 14:00:35 MST

Submitted by: Steve's Girl
From: Germany

My favorite 10 episodes of Season 4 (not necessessarily in that order) are:

1. Highest Castle, Deepest Grave
2. Skinhead
3. 3,000 Crooked Miles to Honolulu
4. R&R&R
5. Rest in Peace...Somebody
6. Wednesday, Ladies Free
7. No Bottles...No Cans...No People
8. The Ninety Seconds War
9. Odd Man In
10.A Matter of Mutual Concern

Added: Friday 26 April 2013 23:54:27 MST

Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Hey Otto,

Oh yes I'm aware that the season finale back in the day isn't what it is now. There were no cliffhangers or shocking events that made your jaw hit the floor in disbelief. By and large. But it was still a "season finale" in the sense that it was the last episode aired for the season. So that's what I meant.

Mr. Mike,

I actually never had a problem with "The Big Kahuna" - I thought it was a good enough episode with a fine performance by John Marley. And Sally Kellerman. The Pele stuff added to the mystery of the whole thing. It was a solid way to finish off the first season. A huge improvement over the lousy "Not That Much Different".

I also like "Kiss the Queen Goodbye" - a solid way to finish off the second season. An interesting heist/caper story. And Joanne Linville is always a plus! It's actually an even better finale than season 1.

Then we get to the season 3 finale and I find the first part of "The Grandstand Play" pretty good but by the second half I lose interest. It's not a strong enough story to warrant a 2-part episode. Gary befriending some kids playing ball and then sneaking into the stadium with them is all pretty dull to me. So the season 3 finale I actually like less than the season 1 and 2 finales.

Then comes "R&R&R" which is superb!!! The only other season finale that comes close is season 6's "30,000 Rooms and I Have the Key" - even if it is a Lewis Avery Filer knock-off. Love it!

Hey H50 1.0 FOREVER,

I see that you have The Ninety-Second War Part II on your list. Funny because if I had to pick my least favorite episode of the season that would be it. The first part was quite good but the second half was a major letdown. It's not quite a clunker (there weren't any in season 4) but it would be my pick for least favorite.

Added: Friday 26 April 2013 11:18:42 MST

Submitted by: John
From: Montreal Canada

There are two many good episodes for me to make a top ten list but I can say that my favorite season was the first.

It had a raw darker feel than later seasons and you can sense the youthful energy of the youth culture of the 60's, the energy of younger actors with something to prove in a new show with lots to prove.

After that the forth to sixth seasons are my favorites for the peak of story quality and the high point of the full ensemble cast. So many great episodes here.

Some special mentions include: the pilot, the Vashon trilogy, Skinhead, R&R&R, highest castle-deepest grave (great acting by Herbert Lom) and the only later season episode; the last of the great paper hangers (got to love HRH-Kevin McCarthy

Added: Friday 26 April 2013 08:48:21 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: I'm on a roll

High-tech seen on new show maybe isn't as far-fetched as some people think: http://nbcnews.to/13zGCKK (see video at bottom, not top)

Added: Friday 26 April 2013 08:41:20 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I rewatched The Big Kahuna, the last show of the first season. Previously, I thought this was pretty mediocre, but it was not as bad as I recalled. The business of Sam's connection to Hawaiian royalty and other indigenous issues are handled relatively well (all things considered). There are some things about the episode that were not thought out too well by the scriptwriters, though. For example, Sam Kalakua lives in this huge house in the middle of nowhere, but his neighbors (who are probably several hundred feet away or more) complain when he shoots up the apparition that is freaking him out and throws a kerosene lamp at it, which explodes. The house itself doesn't seem to even have any electricity! The whole business of the screen that the image of Pele is projected on is ridiculous. What happens to the screen after Sam shoots it, how do they project the image on it (presumably from the rear), what are they (meaning either Sally Kellerman and/or Kemp, the wacked out director) using for electricity to power the projector that shows the movie on this screen, etc.? Kemp's band of merry hippies are totally nutty, a bunch of spaced-out flower children.

Added: Friday 26 April 2013 08:28:01 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

With regard to these "top 10 [or whatever]" lists, please do NOT create them using tabs in your word processor or hitting "tab" when creating them in the Comments box. Tabs cause weird things to happen to the posted comments which I then have to fix manually (sigh). I'm sure no one will read this! :!devil:

Added: Friday 26 April 2013 08:16:52 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Here are my 10 favorite episodes from Season 4 (in no particular order):

1. 3,000 Crooked Miles to Hawaii
2. Rest in Peace, Somebody
3. For a Million, Why Not
4. A Matter of Mutual Concern
5. Odd Man In
6. While You're At It, Bring in the Moon
7. Is This Any Way to Run a Paradise?
8. Bait Once, Bait Twice
9. The Ninety-Second War, part 2
10. The Burning Ice

Added: Friday 26 April 2013 07:40:02 MST

Submitted by: Bill
From: Palm Beach County Florida

My Top 10 episodes for season 4

1 Highest Castle Deepest Grave
2 Skinhead
3 3,000 Crooked Miles to Hawaii
4 Rest in Peace Somebody
5 Cloth of Gold
6 For a Million Why Not
7 Wednesday Ladies Free
8 A Matter of Mutual Concern
9 Good Night, Baby, Time to Die
10 No Bottles...No Cans...No People

Added: Friday 26 April 2013 04:52:49 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

More sad news. Allan Arbus, who played Dr. Sidney Freedman on M*A*S*H and was in the eighth season episode "Anatomy of a Bribe," died on April 19th. He was 95. :!cry:

Added: Thursday 25 April 2013 21:07:16 MST

Submitted by: otto
From: new york

Ringfire: I don't think season finales were thought of in the same way then as now. Shows didn't have the seasonal story arcs they do today. Each episode usually contained its own story. Whether they tried to 'save the best for last' back then is unknown to me.

I'm kind of surprised to see that Skinhead didn't make your top ten, but we each have our reasons. I had not seen Cloth of Gold before acquiring the DVD set, and was blown away by it. The killer was very scary because he seemed more insane with vengeance than evil and the performance was chilling.

Anyway, once i finish my recently acquired Season 8, i'll go back to Season 4 and check some of those out again, upon your recommendation. (i always try to see the ones i never had on VHS, which i've seen numerous times.) Nice to hear talk on here about actual Five-O once in a while, rather than Five-Faux, or whether or not "Jack" was a jerk.

Added: Thursday 25 April 2013 20:50:36 MST

Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I thought "R&R&R" was the best season finale up to that point. The first 3 season finales didn't impress me all that much. The season 3 finale was needlessly protracted into a 2-part story. I do agree that "R&R&R" looked great visually! I love the shot as Ralston pushes that woman off the cliff. The camera angles there were excellent! And yes McG grabbing the bayonet with his bare hands... major ouch!! Season 4 definitely ratcheted up the violence not seen in the previous 3 seasons. Here we have a psycho stabbing women to death with a bayonet - hardcore stuff.

Season 1 is still my favorite though. The freshness of that season is just amazing! Then seasons 2, 3, 4 are pretty much tied. It's hard to choose. I'm tempted to place 3 above 4 but unlike you I found a few episodes in season 3 which I found dull, whereas I found no clunkers at all in season 4. Those 3 episodes being "The Last Eden", "Paniolo" (despite the nice Maui scenery), and "To Kill or Be Killed" (despite a powerful ending).

My top 10 for season 4:

1. Rest in Peace, Somebody (my all-time favorite!)
2. ... And I Want Some Candy and a Gun That Shoots
3. Wednesday, Ladies Free
4. Odd Man In
5. R&R&R
6. Cloth of Gold
7. Didn't We Meet at a Murder?
8. Good Night, Baby - Time to Die
9. While You're at it Bring in the Moon
10. No Bottles... No Cans... No People

Honorable mentions:

Is This Any Way to Run a Paradise?
Bait Once, Bait Twice
A Matter of Mutual Concern (love the un-PC race war here!!)

Heck, the whole season was great!!

Added: Thursday 25 April 2013 11:23:54 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.


What is going on in India is disgusting, but nothing new. Women have been mistreated there for centuries, and it’s not going to improve anytime soon, unless the Indian government wakes up. They also have to improve education, health care, and poverty. In North India, there are still many places where people have never been to school, and those who have didn’t go beyond the seventh or eighth grade. Health care, proper drinking water, and nutrition are also practically nonexistent. This is not the case for everywhere in North India, but in most rural areas. The cities have their wealthy districts, and there are posh suburbs, but there are many pockets of poverty as well.

When my dad was growing up in a village in South India in the ‘40s and ‘50s, he saw so many acts of injustice against women – husbands beating their wives, female children being pulled out of school at 10 or 11 and married off, girls being raped and shunned by the community, then killing themselves afterwards. Women are blamed for every injustice that happens to them, and it has not stopped.

The bus rape occurred in Delhi, in a state called Haryana and the rape of the 5-year-old girl occurred in Ranchi, Jharkand, which are both in Northern India. My family is from South India, a city called Managlore, in a state called Karnataka. Ethnically, we are Kanarese (like people from Bengal call themselves Bengali and people from Maharashtra called themselves Maharashtran). From what my parents tells me, South Indians are usually more liberal than North Indians in terms of social values, though the definition of liberalism here is not to be confused with the Western version of it. What is considered liberal in India would be deemed conservative in the U.S., Canada, and Europe.

Many people in North India still live like they’re in the Dark Ages. They believe in witches, and still practice archaic customs like child marriages, bride burnings, and selling women for property and gold, prostitution, and shunning widows, rape victims, and orphans. The police are also corrupt. The male officers don’t respect women, and laugh at them when they report rapes.

South India isn’t a Utopia, either, and society is not as kind. People still gossip, spread rumors, and castigate women if they are abused by a man, raped, or mistreated by their in-laws. If a girl talks to a boy she is not related to or even looks at one, people talk. In Northern India, girls have been killed over these things. It all stems from ignorance, teachings that women are inferior to men, men seeing their fathers and uncles mistreat women and continuing the cycle. The women don’t do anything about it because they fear being killed, and they don’t even support one another. Often, the rumormongers are women. They start wagging their tongues and gullible people believe their lies, and continue to malign these girls further.

It also infuriates me to see this garbage happen there, and if boycotting tourism will help to put a stop to it, by all means go through with it. I’m tired of Indian relatives telling me how great India and how evil the U.S. is, while women there are raped and murdered by the dozens every day.

Back to Five-O:

I like your list of favorite episodes for Season 4. Mine are:

1. Rest in Peace, Somebody
2. The Ninety-Second War, Part 1
3. The Burning Ice
4. Follow the White Brick Road
5. Skinhead
6. Didn’t We Meet at a Murder?
7. Bait Once, Bait Twice
8. For a Million, Why Not?
9. Highest Castle, Deepest Grave
10. Goodnight Baby, Time to Die

While You're at it, Bring in the Moon; Nine, Ten, You're Dead; and No Bottles, No Cans, No People; and Wednesdays, Ladies Free also tie.

Added: Thursday 25 April 2013 11:16:59 MST

Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY


I need to say this to you before I move on to Five-o. What the heck is going on in India with all the brutal rapes upon women of all ages there? I know you travel there frequently, and I need some insight. I am totally outraged and sickened to see the assaults that have happened there since the bus incident in December. The latest attack on the poor 5 year old girl was the last straw. One of my causes in life is preventing violence against women, and unless it stops there now, I'm going to start a campaign telling tourists not to travel to India, because it is not safe there. They obviously have no respect for women there. Enough is Enough. That country should be ashamed at the violence that is happening against women right now.

Okay, on to the old Five-O. I just finished "R & R &R" to finally finish off the fourth season, and this show impressed me visually. I felt like the Director opened up the show and made it more expansive in its shots and some of the ways he put this show together were exciting. I thought that this show had power which for the most part the season enders of One and Two did not. Season Three's two part show was the best season ending show, but I was impressed by the intensity of this show and by Steve's cry of pain at the end when he gets stabbed in the hand by the bayonet. The last shot was heartbreaking and truly captured the sadness and mistake that was the Vietnam War. Ringfire or Mike, please explain this one plot point I felt made no sense. Ralston figures out Steve's plan with the policewoman double and knocks the Colonel out on the plane and takes the vet's wife to the back of the plane like a hostage. Why not just kill her immediately?...When Steve comes on the plane, Ralston has her like a hostage in the back of the plane. What was he waiting for? He could have killed the wife, and got off the plane before Mcg got there.

Ringfire, Otto, Big Chicken, and other season four lovers. This was my favorite season so far, although, I do think that Season Three had more higher quality episodes overall, because there were a few clunkers in season four. My top ten of Season Four.

1....And I Want Some Candy and a Gun that Shoots.

2. Nine, Ten, you're Dead.

3. SkinHead

4. Rest In Peace, Somebody

5. While you're at it Bring in The Moon

6. Good Night, Baby, Time To Die

7. Cloth of Gold

8. 3,000 Crooked Miles to Honolulu

9. No Bottles, No Cans, No People

10. Odd Man In

Added: Thursday 25 April 2013 07:54:20 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Rest in peace, Glenn. You were one of the best. Thank you for all you did for the performing arts in Hawaii, for giving your time in instructing students in acting, and for all the memorable performances we were so fortunate to see on television for nearly fifty years. Your legacy will live on in those you taught, even those you never even met, but who knew you from watching you come into their living rooms each week.

You made the role of a prosecutor stand out more than it did on other TV series. John Manicote wasn't acting as a naysayer to a defense lawyer in the courtroom. He showed the audience how the justice system works from the prosecution's side, which was often ignored on other TV shows.

Manicote provided the legal knowledge which helped McGarrett and Five-O solve each case without risking violating any law. He played the devil's advocate on several occasions, when all the evidence was stacked against a member of Five-O, but still gave his all in helping them to clear their name.

Your performance as Manicote was as strong and dedicated as Jack Lord's role as Steve McGarrett. While Steve fought for justice on the streets, Manicote took up the battle in the courtroom in the same resilient manner, providing Five-O with invaluable support without which, they'd never be able to put away so many criminals and make Hawaii a safer place in its fictional universe. You made a lasting impression with those appearances and all the others you did over your long career.

Thank you once again or should I say, mahalo! Say, "Hi," to Jack, Jimmy, Kam, and the other dearly departed cast members of Hawaii Five-O for me, and give them all a great big, hug.

Added: Wednesday 24 April 2013 16:15:47 MST

Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I'm watching season 5 of "24" right now and I'm blown away by Sean Callery's score. Talk about effective use of music!! Callery is to "24" what John Barry was to Bond. As far as I'm concerned Callery and Morty Stevens are the 2 best TV composers of all time!

Also, R.I.P. Mr. John Manicote. You will be sorely missed. I loved Cannon in that role.

I like how all our favorite supporting characters were introduced into the show in small increments. Peggy Ryan joined the show at the start of season 2 as Jenny. Harry Endo joined the show as Che Fong towards the latter half of season 2. Al Eben as Doc was introduced at the start of season 4. Glen Cannon as Manicote showed up in the latter half of season 4. And Duke wasn't officially introduced until the season 5 opener. We see him twice I think towards the end of season 4 but I don't think the writers/producers had yet settled on whether this was Duke Lukela. I seem to recall that he was Duke but had a different last name or something like that.

Added: Wednesday 24 April 2013 11:33:47 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Here's the link to the Star-Advertiser's memorial article about Glenn Cannon: http://bit.ly/122qGR8

Added: Tuesday 23 April 2013 14:01:43 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

I agree with Jeff. MGM did a fine job of remastering the "Stoney Burke" episodes. My copy arrived today, and I just watched "The Contender." It is a well-crafted story that tells a great deal about Stoney and his sidekicks.
Already, I'm seeing traits in JL's SB that were later seen in his SMcG. I bought my copy on Ebay for about $8.00 less than Amazon charges. Woo Hoo!

Added: Tuesday 23 April 2013 13:32:08 MST

Submitted by: Theresa
From: Western New York

The StarAdvertiser is reporting the death of Glenn Cannon on Saturday, April 20th.
I don't know how to links. Maybe someone else could help out.

Added: Tuesday 23 April 2013 13:24:14 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I think that music in the YouTube clip was far too over the top. As Bullwinkle used to say, it was very "semi-mental." :) Lenkov was raving about how good this clip was on his Twitter feed, not surprising.

One thing that is very annoying about the music for the new show, aside from the fact that they have NEVER ONCE referred to the famous main theme (other than in the opening and closing credits for each episode), is that it is very repetitive. Now you can say the same thing about the old show as well, where they would use the same cues over and over to accompany different visuals, in a manner similar to the original Star Trek shows. These are the cues that I have identified as "the violin theme," "the trombone interval theme," "the military theme," "the marimba theme," and so forth. Of course, there is a huge difference between the old and new music, because the old music is classy and the new music is crap!

Speaking of music, I was flipping channels last night around the time Five-0 was on, obviously not wanting to watch last night's episode because (a) I almost never watch the shows while they are actually on and (b) last night's episode was a repeat of the Hallowe'en show, not a particularly good one. I caught some show in the middle, which I later deduced was Castle, which I have never seen before. What was weird, the brief excerpt of the show I saw had the same kind of plink-plunk pizzicato string passage (probably computer generated) that is usually heard on the new show when there is some "cute" scene with Danno and his daughter. Is this a standard kind of riff? What was on screen in Castle was kind of "cute" too.

There seemed to be crime or crime-laden dramas all over the place on TV last night. Another show was The Following, where Kevin Bacon plays a former FBI agent who is dealing with a cult of serial killers. This show was REALLY gross, full of nasty people, threats and horrible violence, yet it was on regular TV (not cable) at 9 p.m.!

Added: Tuesday 23 April 2013 10:33:59 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

What a shame that music did not accompany the show. It puts already poignant visuals over the top. That is something that Morton Stevens and Don Ray knew that the remake musicians seem not to know.

Added: Tuesday 23 April 2013 09:53:15 MST

Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

The music in that second clip is obviously Hans Zimmer's beautiful music from PEARL HARBOR (a film that I feel gets unfairly trashed just because it's directed by Michael Bay).

As for your question as to whether or not it's better than the current music on the show... :D :D :D

Come oooon, bruddah!!! A dog barking incessantly is better than that endless droning.

Added: Tuesday 23 April 2013 09:51:49 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I was throwing out some tapes yesterday and found the following Canadian Lotto 649 commercial which uses the Five-O theme:


I have also uploaded this to YouTube.

Speaking of YouTube, someone else created a video which is a Reader's Digest version of the last episode:


Can anyone identify the music used here? (It is not from the show.)

The other question is: is this music better than that heard on the show? :D

Added: Tuesday 23 April 2013 08:49:29 MST

Submitted by: Tony
From: Ireland

Can somebody please tell me. What episode in season 1 does Steve receive the first envelope of his Dad's clues ( The one with postcards ) after the tool box was stolen in episode 13?????????????????????????....It has to be before episode 19, as he has them in that one.. But damned if i can find the scene on my dvd's.

Added: Tuesday 23 April 2013 04:10:25 MST

Submitted by: Sonya L Finkey
From: Keaau, Hawaii

The Promise episode was especially well written and well acted, I thought. Hope the producers will keep up the excellent work!

Added: Monday 22 April 2013 18:54:11 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Olelo Pa’a (The Promise -- last episode) reviewed by me. Was I too generous?


This person liked the last show a lot more than me (tweeted by @plenkov, strangely enough)


Comment from Hawaii ... Wayne Harada: "Five-0” continues to lose its glory and sheen.


Added: Sunday 21 April 2013 14:53:23 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

One would think those who create television shows, write books, etc. would have too much personal pride to turn out such rubbish, let alone put their names on it. One only has to look at the Connery / Lazenby / Moore Bond films to see that it is entirely possible to entertain without sacrificing quality.

Producers and writers since then have held the mistaken belief that they can only entertain by shocking. They've forgotten that a well-crafted story is far more impressive than flashy special effects. Case in point: The remake of "Hookman." In the effort to remain true to the original, AOL's character became likeable, the story flowed in a logical progression, and the plot was understandable to the viewer.

It breaks my heart to see this opportunity to revive H50 being wasted with this "all show-no go" sensationalism. As the little old lady in the Wendy's commercials used to ask, "Where's the beef?"

Added: Sunday 21 April 2013 12:02:30 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver


This week's episode of Hawaii Five-O correctly portrayed North Korea as a brutal, isolated nation that harbors terrorists.

But the CBS show's latest installment, which aired on the 101st birthday of North Korea’s founder, Kim Il-Sung, jumped the shark all the way over the Demilitarized Zone (DMZ) and into fantasyland.


A good action show gives you great exploits, exciting fight scenes and tests the bounds of reality. But once it takes you to a place where the viewer can’t suspend their disbelief it becomes difficult, even tedious, to watch. Hawaii Five-O went far, far past that point in this episode.

It’s always refreshing when a network show shoves political correctness aside and calls out the bad guys for who they are. But making it seem as though two Americans with AK-47s could infiltrate North Korea and take on a small army by themselves then escape back over the border undetected belies the paranoid, police state that North Korea actually is and makes them seem incompetent and almost cartoonish.

(Amazing how many other WWW sites just reprinted the above review...)



The "Five-0” episode, themed "Olelo Pa’a (Promise),” was promoted as a prequel to the pilot, so was a mix of current-time with flashback, with footage set in North Korea, jockeying with the underlying premise of keeping promises and SEAL bonding.

While there were some terrific scenes (like the beachfront SEAL exercise amid waves and sand), the show continues to depend on yesteryear memories to flesh out character and mine plots. Worse, storylines continue to tap and revive bygone figures like O’Quinn as White and Buffett as the kooky pilot, which is like serving leftovers for your dinner guests.

So while fansites rave about our local show, which already has a "go” for its fourth season to fulfill the syndication deal with TNT beginning next year, "Five-0” continues to lose its glory and sheen.

Added: Sunday 21 April 2013 08:23:00 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Interesting comments on recent Five-O episodes, as well as "Olympus Has Fallen":



Added: Sunday 21 April 2013 08:09:24 MST

Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

In light of the whole Watertown event and the link to Chechens I got a hankering for a rewatch of season 5 of "24". What an epic season that was!! Saw the first 3 episodes last night. Also the capture of the 2 bombing suspects took pretty much 24 hours. Of course in the world of Jack Bauer capturing those 2 guys would have only taken about 1 hour, heh. Then the next hour Jack would be unraveling another conspiracy. By the end of the 24 hours most folks wouldn't even remember who those 2 Tsarnaev brothers were.

And yes I did find it incredibly suspicious that the younger Tsarnaev became a citizen on 9/11/12. 9/11 - no way that's a coincidence! Also he had apparently tweeted in the past that 9/11 was an inside job. Sure it was. Just like the marathon bombing was also an inside job, right? Radical Muslims had nothing to do with that either, eh? Inside job!

Added: Saturday 20 April 2013 13:58:49 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

H50F, Carrie is referring to Tom Selleck, star of Blue Bloods, nothing to do with the use of guns on the show itself:


Added: Saturday 20 April 2013 10:16:54 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Whoa, Elaine! What an on-the-spot report!

Reports about what happened to the surviving brother after the shootout were conflicting. Some suggested that he drove away in the hijacked Mercedes (which had a GPS - duh!), running over his wounded brother in the process, others suggested that he escaped on foot, which didn't make sense to me inasmuch as they would have captured him immediately considering all the police presence.

I found something else sort of Five-0 related this morning, the following article at NBC News:


An "Obama administration official" is quoted as saying "the government will invoke a legal rule known as the 'public safety exception,' which will enable investigators to question [surviving bomber] Tsarnaev without first advising him of his right to remain silent and to be afforded legal counsel."

Sounds like the technique employed in the blue-lit room (and elsewhere) on the show, though the issues they are investigating there are relatively mundane compared to the very serious national security concerns in Boston.

I have to wonder ... what would happen if Tsarnaev refused to talk to them? He isn't even allowed to have a lawyer present, and "everything he says can be used against him later in a court of law." Is he even advised of THAT?

BTW, a bit of irony -- the surviving brother got his citizenship on >>September 11<< of last year.

As far as the last episode of Five-0 is concerned (I am still too conflicted to review it -- LOL), I agree with you about Catherine. In fact, I can't understand why she was there with McG in the first place when he received the remains (of the wrong guy) and then went back into North Korea to get his pal's body. Why was she there at all? Just because McG has the god-like ability to pull strings for all things Five-0 related, would he be able to ask for her to come along in a capacity like his assistant or something? The whole business about her joining him in the shootouts that followed was ridiculous.

Added: Saturday 20 April 2013 10:08:50 MST

Submitted by: Elaine
From: Watertown, MA

Okay.....we are back in business, so to speak. It has been very chaotic here in Watertown the last 24 hours, but the Marathon bombing suspect #2 is in custody and things are slowly getting back to normal although the police are still in evidence on Franklin Street and elsewhere in town.

My sister and I awoke at 12:45 am yesterday to gun fire, explosions, sirens and all that goes along with a massive police action. The older brother Tamerlan? was killed 2 blocks from my house and the police chased his younger brother down the street across from my house, firing blindly down the street. The forensics people marked 18 shell casings there in the morning and hundreds of rounds were fired during the chase and subsequent manhunt. The reason I bring any of this up at all is that I never saw such a presence of law enforcement personnel and never saw such utter chaos. To be sure, the law enforcement people did a remarkable job but there were moments during the gun battle that make me shudder. It's a miracle that no innocent bystander was killed, given all the fire power that was let loose in those first chaotic minutes.

I have watched a few episodes of the new HF-zero and always thought that their crazy wide-open gun battles in public were totally unrealistic, and that genuine law enforcement people wouldn't put the public at risk like that. But I am here to say today that I know now that what I've seen and dismissed on the new show as totally phony, can actually happen in real life. I watched through my window as police, on foot, chased after the hijacked car driven by the younger brother, firing automatic and assault weapons into the darkned street across from me. The street, which is poorly lit at the best of times, is lined on either side with numerous two- and single family houses. Up on Laurel Street a short while later, bullets went through a house and almost killed the residents, there. Over 200 rounds were fired there. So I guess, in the future, I can't be as critical about the silliness I've seen on the new show, because well, it can indeed happen like that in real life. We here in H2O town are thankful to all the law enforcement people who worked tirelessly to apprehend the Marathon Bombing suspect. But it was a nerve-wracking and scary 24 hours.

I did manage to catch the last half hour of Monday night's HF-Zero show when I was channel surfing to get away from all the Marathon news since I had already seen hours and hours of it. They ran the show on Channel 38 here, the sister station of CBS because CBS was tied up with all the awfulness of the bombings. I have to say that I found the whole North Korean sojourn to be absolutely unbelieveable...and how did Catherine and McGarrett ever manage to go back for his friend's remains when they were basically running for their lives? I found the scenes at Arlington National Cemetery to be well-done and fraught with emotion. I do believe that it is necessary for closure of the family that the remains of service personnel killed in the line of duty be returned to the US for burial. And the Seals and Marines' motto "No Man Left Behind" makes sense that at some point, a mission to recover the remains, would be undertaken. It's just that it was a very poorly written and executed episode. They could have done much better if they'd put some thought into it. Enough of this stream-of-consciousness crap, have a nice day everyone!

Added: Saturday 20 April 2013 08:26:45 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Which gun nut do you have in mind, Carrie? Danny? Does he wield a gun any more viciously than the gun nuts on any other show do these days?

Added: Saturday 20 April 2013 08:20:07 MST

Submitted by: Carrie
From: NYC

Too bad that gun nut is on Blue Bloods, otherwise I would watch.

Added: Friday 19 April 2013 16:58:31 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Chechens? Rats! That screws up my theory that it was the North Koreans responsible for Boston.

Did anyone notice that Chechnya was referred to in the last show?

When the CIA guy was talking to McGarrett, he said that "[The Hesse Brothers]'re being given sanctuary by some world-class scum: Chechnyan [sic] rebels, Somali warlords, even hostile governments."

I was surprised that the last show focused on the North Koreans, considering it was broadcast on April 15th, which is the birthday of the North's late founder Kim Il-Sung. As well, Fatty Boy, the current boss of North Korea, was making a big noise about nuclear annihilation and so forth and was getting his BVD's in a twist because people were burning his picture in South Korea. I hope this guy doesn't have a satellite dish and watched the last episode. Hawaii is one of the few places within easy missile range of the People's Republic, in case no one has noticed.

I'm sure Lenkov is frantically doing some rewriting to bring the Chechen angle into the last four shows. There is still time, considering the next two weeks are repeats. Here is a revised schedule (courtesy of Five0Redux):

4/19- Special night: Kanalua "Doubt" (repeat episode S03E02 - Ed Asner)
4/22- Repeat: Mohai: "Offering" (S03E05 - Hallowe'en episode) - confirmed
4/29- 3.21 - Imi Loko Ka Uhane- "Seek within one's soul"- confirmed
5/6- 3.22 - Hoopio (To Extinguish)
5/13- 3.23 - He Welo Oihana (A Trick of the Trade)
5/20- 3.24 - Aloha Malama Pono (Farewell, With Love/Take Good Care)

Added: Friday 19 April 2013 10:24:20 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

I'm a big fan of "Blue Bloods," too, John, and for that very reason. They present multiple sides of the question, show the pros and cons of each, let the character make the best decision he/she can, and show the consequences.

Sometimes, those consequences are better or worse than at other times, but a decision had to be made, and they made it. Sometimes, the decision isn't especially politically correct, but they stick their necks out, anyway. Many times, the situations pit the family members, but they still stand up for what they think is right. Even though they are openly Catholic, they dare to disagree with the church.

Even though their decisions could cost them their jobs and other things they value, they dare to speak up. For example, in the very first episodes of Season 1, Jamie lost his fiancee when he chose to become a policeman, rather than an ivy league lawyer, but it was the right decision for him. "Blue Bloods" sets a good example for us all.

Added: Friday 19 April 2013 05:09:53 MST

Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

It amazes me how utterly, utterly "empty" and shallow this series is in its relationships and dialogues.

In sharp contrast I ALWAYS enjoy the stuff that goes on in Blue Bloods--so often serious moral, real-life delemas that have no good solution, like last week with the wife having to try to save a life in the hospital and the husband cop trying to save lives asking to break the wife's hospital rules, and all the ensuing consequences from that conflict. Makes you think.

While Hawaii 5-0 makes you sick.

Added: Thursday 18 April 2013 18:23:28 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Very bizarre story, indeed. Do hope CID finds the culprit before harm is done.

Added: Thursday 18 April 2013 11:37:07 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

What a bizarre story:


This guy has named his taxi fleet Hawaii Five-O? You have to wonder if he got permission to do so (if that is required).

Maybe the producers of the current show can have an episode next season where the team goes to the U.K. to give this guy some help?

Added: Thursday 18 April 2013 11:10:15 MST

Submitted by: Jeff
From: Denver

For anyone who's interested, the STONEY BURKE DVD set arrived on my porch today from Amazon. A pretty nice set from Timeless (a division of Shout Factory)...

It's 6 discs, 32 episodes for the complete series, and the case is a little on the flimsy side compared to the nice CBS DVD cases, however the episode transfers themselves are VERY nice, makes the bootlegs that we've seen over the years look like...well...bootlegs. It looks to me like these transfers were probably done fairly recently, they don't appear to be from videotape masters, but rather 16MM film transfers.

Watched the first one, "The Contender", and it's fun seeing Jack Lord in a bit of a 'lighter' role and appearing to have a little fun. His charisma seems to shine through right off the bat, because while the story was fairly standard and light on plot, what makes it work is his portrayal of Burke. It's the glue holding it all together. The supporting cast (Bruce Dern, Warren Oates) doesn't seem to have a lot to do, but they're pleasant enough to watch. It's interesting how the show seems to have been conceived as a Western set in the 'modern' era (at the time, anyway)--it fits in nicely with other classic Western shows of the era like Bonanza and Gunsmoke and Rawhide. I read somewhere that even after the show was cancelled, Lord toured the country making appearances at county fairs 'in character', as the character seemed to have been fairly popular with some rural pockets of America despite the show's low ratings.

All in all, I think this is a nice set, and it's great to have a complete run of this show, worth the $35 from Amazon (it may also be sold at retail in stores like Walmart and Sam's). I'll probably slowly work my way through this set in the days and weeks ahead.

Jack Lord fans should plan on getting this...

Added: Wednesday 17 April 2013 22:42:11 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Just a further explanation (not to cherry pick): Steve says to Cathy that she is over 21, not 21, so that is where I got the age of at least 22 from. The Arizona was destroyed in the Pearl Harbor bombing of December 7, 1941, when Cathy was a year old. Her birth date is never known, so she could have been born in December of 1940 at the latest. "Time and Memories” was filmed in 1970 and aired on October 7, 1970, so it was filmed sometime in the spring or summer of that year. They don’t give an exact date as to when it is set, and these shows are normally set at the present date, unless a date is given, so the 1970 date is accurate. The actresses’ real ages aren’t a factor, since they can play different age ranges. I didn’t see Cathy as a mother figure to Joan, but more like an older friend/older sister type. The way they argued when Joan was suspected of the murder and Cathy was so quick to believe she did it reminded me of sisters or ex-friends fighting. That is all a matter of perception.

When the writers write these scripts, they have no control over which actors will play the parts. That’s up to producer and the casting director. I don’t know if the casting directors read the scripts or are given character descriptions prior to calling casting agencies, but they can’t be doing it blindly, either.

Continuity errors are common in every show from the beginning of television. Hawaii Five-O was not the only example of that, but it’s expected when they use different writers each time, and these writers either don’t know the characters’ back story, are not given any information on them, or don’t ask about it. The writers were all freelancers who lived in either LA, NYC, or sometimes in the Mid West. None of them had ever been to Hawaii, and Leonard Freeman didn’t want them coming there, for fear they might write the scripts as a travelogue.

As for Steve’s different addresses, that could be explained away as Steve moving to different apartments, but I see where you’re coming from. Those episodes in which those addresses were given were all written by different people, the latter two of whom probably did not know about the Pikoi Street address given in "Once Upon a Time.” As for Steve having a sister in LA and family in San Francisco, he can have relatives in more than one place but, again, that was most probably not what the writers were thinking. They may have given the San Francisco location because they did not know about Mary Ann in LA. The references to Steve having no family are the real detail clash. It’s not too hard for the writers to mention that Steve has relatives, but maybe he is not close to them, if it’s something that comes up in conversation. They don’t have to bring in Steve’s mother, Great Aunt Bertha, Cousin Leroy, 2nd Cousin Dagmar, and twin brother Murgatroyd just to prove he has relatives. Good writing in terms of Steve’s lines can take care of that. It’s an odd detail for the writers to throw in, even though they were using it as a lead-in to Steve explaining that his men were his family.

Even Danno was a victim of the continuity error. In Season 1’s "King of the Hill,” they said he was a local boy. In Season 11’s "A Long Time Ago,” dialogue between him and that old high school girlfriend of his mentions that he was from San Francisco. They did keep one detail intact through three different episodes – that Danno went to U.S.C. Berkeley. They mention him transferring there after one year at the University of Hawaii in "King of the Hill,” again in "Two Doves and Mr. Herron,” and then again in "A Long Time Ago.” That could not be coincidence, though, given the many state universities in California from which the writers had to choose. Maybe someone, in this case, was paying attention to maintaining continuity in some of Danno’s back story.

Even the new show has its continuity errors, in regards to Steve McGarrett’s background, but that’s the least of their problems.

Added: Wednesday 17 April 2013 11:35:16 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

I knew it didn't look right, but... My mistake (not McGarrett's). The correct spelling, of course, is K-a-h-a-l-a. :D

Did anyone else notice McGarrett was walking from the Kahala Beach Apartments in "How to Steal a Masterpiece," when he and Danno were about to go for a Sunday sail before they were called back to the Ogden home? You can see the Waialae Golf Course across the street.

Added: Wednesday 17 April 2013 11:20:09 MST

Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"4999 Kalaha Avenue"

Has Jack Lord been pronouncing street names again? ;) Ay-yay-yay!

What next? Kakalaua Ave? Awa Lai Canal?

Added: Wednesday 17 April 2013 08:53:32 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

As much as we admire the original, Vrinda, I'm sure we can agree that continuity left much to be desired. In Season 1, McGarrett says he lives at 404 Pi'ikoi Street, yet in Season 5, he is shown walking out of 2085 Ala Wai Boulevard, and in Season 7, he is shown walking out of 4999 Kalaha Avenue. In Season 1, McGarrett has a sister to whom he seems to be quite close, yet on more than one subsequent occasion, he says he has no family. Similarly, in Season 1, he travels to Los Angeles to see his sister; yet, in Season 10, he says he is going to San Francisco to take care of some family business.

As for Cathy Wallis' age. . . The Arizona Memorial opened in 1962. Cathy said she was one year old when her brother died on the Arizona. That makes her 21 years old in 1962 and 30 years old in 1971, when "Time and Memories" was made (and presumably set). So far, so good, but. . . Cathy clearly is more than 5 years older than Joan, who appears to be about 25 years old. She would have to be at least 10 years older for Joan ever to have seen her as a mother figure, and that would make her about 40 years old when the story takes place. So, again, continuity seems lacking.

Sorry, 1.0. I love ya dearly, but, for continuity, you do leave a lot to be desired.

Added: Wednesday 17 April 2013 04:09:37 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

"By the way, I wonder how people would have reacted if on the old show there was an episode or two showing "what made Steve McGarrett the way he is today." I recall there were some flashback scenes, but they were connected with McG's girl friends, one of which was in a goopy slow motion and pretty obvious that McGarrett hadn't aged a day in years!"

The girlfriend didn't age too much, either. She just changed outfits! The flashbacks took place only eight years earlier, at the most, so Steve wouldn't have aged too much. What I noticed was information which created an error in continuity with later episodes. The girlfriend said she was a year old when Pearl Harbor was bombed (December 7, 1941), so she was born in 1940. Steve mentions in a flashback that she was over 21, so those scenes would have taken place as early as 1962. In "Goodnight Baby, Time to Die" (Season 4)Steve says he was appointed to Five-O in 1959 and, in a sixth-season episode, he said he had been on the island for 12 years. That episode took place in 1973, making it 1961 when he came to Hawaii, according to that storyline.

I thought these writers has a certain basic guidelines with information about the characters to use when writing these stories.

Added: Tuesday 16 April 2013 16:12:43 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

>It also didn’t make sense as to why only he and his friend were going into NK territory to find Hesse.

Because McG, while in Iraq, was asked by Joe White, another military bigshot and some CIA guy to do this, and to choose some partner who had "operations" experience. It was a do-or-die mission, similar to Apocalypse Now. The people planning the mission had plenty of intel on what was going on in the "rebel" compound and the CIA guy said he could get McGarrett "whatever he needed."

>This also begs the question of whose body did the North Koreans give Steve in the beginning, and where did it come from, if they didn't dig up the area Steve pinpointed.

Shades of "Bones of Contention"!

>That scene [where McG finds his friend's body] gave me a lump in my throat. :!surprised: :!surprised: :!surprised:

By the way, I wonder how people would have reacted if on the old show there was an episode or two showing "what made Steve McGarrett the way he is today." I recall there were some flashback scenes, but they were connected with McG's girl friends, one of which was in a goopy slow motion and pretty obvious that McGarrett hadn't aged a day in years!

Added: Tuesday 16 April 2013 14:47:39 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Mallory Hooper:

"The original Steve McGarett was kind, smart, effective, exciting and good looking.....a real hero all rolled up in one.”

I couldn’t agree more, Mallory. The original Steve McGarrett was intelligent, dynamic, caring towards his men and crime victims, had screen presence, and was strikingly handsome. :!inlove:

Watching him is such a thrill. You never know what he will do next.

About last night’s show:

The new McGarrett does show that he cares, in this episode he demonstrates that when he goes to North Korea to bring back his friend’s body. However, the writers contradict such a personality trait when he decides to go and find the people who killed his friend rather than just find his body and take it back and, in doing so, risking not only his own safety but Catherine’s as well. It also didn’t make sense as to why only he and his friend were going into NK territory to find Hesse. McGarrett said they were tracking Hesse’s movements , so they knew he was dealing arms to a large group of people. Why would the navy only send two people to get Hesse, knowing they were outnumbered? Even if they did not know how many people were there, it would be foolish to send only two men.

The real body was just buried in a shallow grave. No one was guarding it. Why did the North Korean government have to give another body in its place, since McGarrett told the North Koreans the approximate location of it? This also begs the question of whose body did the North Koreans give Steve in the beginning, and where did it come from, if they didn't dig up the area Steve pinpointed.

I commend Alex for the scene where finds his friend's body. He showed the right amount of tears – not too little to keep in check with the stoic façade of a navy seal, but not so much that he was blubbering like a baby. Even the North Korean rebel was sad, and Catherine let Steve grieve, instead of cutting in and telling him to not to go to pieces. That scene gave me a lump in my throat.

Added: Tuesday 16 April 2013 13:32:43 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Jack Lord fans will be interested that Warner Archive has released season one of Dr. Kildare:


They will have to wait a while for Lord's appearance, since it is not until the third season.

I predict this release will be a monster hit. Warner Archive seems to think so, because they are creating the show on real DVDs, rather than their usual made-to-order ones.

Added: Tuesday 16 April 2013 13:08:58 MST

Submitted by: Joekido
From: ???

This episode got 7.65 million viewers. This was mostly due to people watching yesterday's news. [From TV By the Numbers: "Hawaii Five-O tied its series low with a 1.8 adults 18-49 rating down 14 percent from a 2.1 on March 25." - MQ] This episode was not appealing to me, considering that this episode is storeyed by an ego-blinded Peter Lenkov.

Added: Tuesday 16 April 2013 12:21:16 MST

Submitted by: Frank
From: Wisconsin

Todd, you hit the nail on the head. The only few redeeming scenes are the ones with Jimmy Buffett. If this show had nothing to do with 5-0, it still would be one of the dumbest shows I've ever seen.

Added: Tuesday 16 April 2013 09:34:53 MST

Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"At some point, my love of the original will not be enough to keep me watching."

:D You mean you actually watch this show out of respect for the original? That's funny. Because that's actually the reason I don't watch the new show. Out of respect for the original. That, and of course, because the new show simply sucks!

So Rick Yune was in last night's episode? How was he? He was deliciously evil in the most recent "Die Hard in a White" film OLYMPUS HAS FALLEN. Yes as a North Korean terrorist.

Added: Tuesday 16 April 2013 08:43:00 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

I know what you mean, Mike, but at that point, McGarrett wasn't ready to either apologize or make an arrest. What could he say? Nothing comes to mind. When he had his answers, McGarrett did apologize.

Added: Tuesday 16 April 2013 08:34:14 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

H50F, what bothers me more about A Very Personal Matter than McGarrett forgetting about the presupposition of innocence is the fact that he LIES to the doctor when Danworth angrily comes to the Five-O offices and says that he knows that they are trying to set him up with the aerobics instructor. McGarrett gives him this deer-in-the-headlights look and says "I know nothing." Can you recall any show where McGarrett lies to someone like this? Using Gerry "undercover" also seems like a big mistake, rather than someone who looks less "healthy." It would also have been better if there was some kind of explanation as to how McGarrett knew her.

Added: Tuesday 16 April 2013 07:47:59 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

More questions...

McGoo gets the wrong body back. It took three years to "negotiate" to get this body. So if the NK guys knew that it was the wrong body, didn't they anticipate that McGoo would figure out quickly (especially considering the instantaneous DNS anal-ysis Five-0 usually uses) that it was wrong?

This raises further questions. If McGoo was the one that told the NK guys approximately where the body would be (thus admitting that he and his pal had parachuted into NK, BTW), wouldn't the NK guys have found the rebels' camp? Why didn't McGoo open the casket at or close by the bridge? And why didn't the NK guys take off the hoods on the heads of the exchanged prisoners right away? How did they know that these were really the guys they were doing the exchange for?

The teaser, by the way, was probably the least "suspensful" of any seen on the show so far.

Added: Tuesday 16 April 2013 07:33:22 MST

Submitted by: Bill K.
From: Detroit area

Peter Lenkov or somebody else on the crew really likes the 2002 James Bond movie Die Another Day (which had a long North Korean sequence).

Will Yun Lee, who played Colonel Moon (the main villain before he's transformed into Toby Stephens' Gustav Graves) has had a recurring role since the start of the series. Last night, Rick Yune, who played henchman Zao in the Bond movie, shows up as the villain of last night's Five-0 episode.

Last season's North Korean-set episode used a technique from the Bond movie: scenes set in North Korea were all dark while scenes in other locations had bright colors. And that episode also featured a scene with McGarrett getting tortured, not unlike Die Another Day's main titles, where Pierce Brosnan's Bond was tortured.

Added: Tuesday 16 April 2013 05:55:50 MST

Submitted by: Todd
From: Dallas

This was one of the worst epidodes I have ever seen. No part was believable. A complete dud.

The over-the-top gun play is very odd considering Dano's anti-gun rant a few episodes ago. Seems like the writers really like gun violence. At some point, my love of the original will not be enough to keep me watching.

Added: Tuesday 16 April 2013 04:29:43 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I found the action at the camp of the "revolutionaries" in tonight's show to be idiotic. Like in the second season A-Team adventures involving Wo Fat in the People's Republic, there are NO "revolutionaries" in North Korea that I am aware of. Are the people writing the scripts taking advantage of people's ignorance about this? (Are people ignorant about this?) The bad guys couldn't hit the side of a barn door when McGarrett and Catherine were shooting at them (and of course killing the bad guys in droves). And then it cut to the flashback of McGarrett and his Navy SEAL buddy. There were several seconds where there was a lot of gunfire in the background, presumably aimed at McGarrett and his pal, but they were just talking to each other philosophically and no bullets were ricocheting around the vehicle they were hiding behind. After his dying buddy told McGarrett to get lost, the bad guys were constantly getting close to McGarrett and they were within range of the truck that he was using to take Hesse's brother away, but despite all the heavy fire power, they hardly hit the damn truck as McGarrett drove off. This kind of operatic give-and-take gets REALLY tiresome after a while. There is precedence for this kind of show with the old series where McGarrett was doing stuff while donning his Naval uniform, but it always had some connection with Five-O. This one had virtually NOTHING, especially considering it was advertised as a "prequel" to the show's pilot. The only connection was an excerpt from that show where Hesse was taunting McGarrett as they were driving away in the military vehicle. When McGarrett grabbed Hesse from the camp, the gunrunner was not seen (because it was not the same actor -- DUH!), and they just put a bag over his head. I guess the regular cast enjoyed the opportunity to take a few days off. I had a good laugh at the CGI Rocky Mountains behind Terry Quinn riding his horse in "Montana." The music actually seemed a bit original in a couple of places tonight, but then they brought in the usual noise and the "Green Onions" motif when they were all looking at Jimmy Buffet's crashed helicopter. Of course, Michelle Borth looked very sexy with her hair down and her stern looks! But this show is going to get a VERY low rating.

Added: Monday 15 April 2013 21:36:57 MST

Submitted by: Mallory Hooper
From: Chicago

I just watched the episode aired on April 15 CDT and am so disappointed!!!!' I realize that the past is memorialized in many episodes but this show was horrible!! This story line was so disturbing that I will probably scratch it from my Monday night line up.. Seeing people gunned down by a machine gun, no dialogue for the entire show, for the purpose of returning a friends remains, not even a live friend rescued.......who thinks this stuff up??? Ridiculous. If I wanted to watch a war story.....it would not have been Hawaii Five O.....get back to the correct story line.......life in Hawaii and the characters of the show......The original Steve McGarett was kind, smart, effective, exciting and good looking.....a real hero all rolled up in one. :!mad: :!mad:

Added: Monday 15 April 2013 20:34:18 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Rick, I just went back and watched "A Very Personal Matter." Actually, it was very well crafted. Tommy Riordan was a long-time family friend of McGarrett's. His death was a loss to McGarrett, so it is not surprising that he was initially brusque with the doctor. As the evidence began to unfold in the doctor's favor, however, McGarrett admitted that he had been too quick to judge him and set to work, trying to find out just who was passing the bad drugs. He found the beach bum and the other doctor in the free clinic, and he arrested both. He also discovered that the doctor's daughter had died in the same way that Tommy did, and in so doing, he helped Tom Riordan start to accept his son's death. The doctor admitted his own mistakes in the matter. Riordan admitted that he had jumped to conclusions, as well. In short, it was "a very personal matter" with some very unclear lines of demarcation about wise and unwise ways of practicing medicine, dealing with grief, and laying blame. Again, a very well crafted episode.

As for the cue cards, enough, already. If Jack used cue cards, fine. If he did not use cue cards, fine. The important thing is that he continued giving good performances to the very end - and against some very difficult circumstances, especially after Len died.

Added: Monday 15 April 2013 18:07:18 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Bob, I don't know about the other actors, but Jack Lord was not using cue cards in every single episode of the show. We don't have any proof of that. All we have are statements from people in certain episodes that he used cue cards in those. We can only say that he used cards in those particular shows to which Austin and Myashiro referred, the ones in which Borges saw him use the smaller cue cards. What's more, these guys were not with Jack in every scene out of those respective shows, so they can only attest to seeing him use cue cards of whatever kind in the scenes in which their characters were present or which they saw being filmed. None of these elaborated on those aspects. There are people who say they didn't Jack use them - Kit Leahy and Glenn Cannon - and those who say Jack never forgot his lines, at least from what they could see - Michael Anderson, Jr.

No one said he was using them in every show, or that the reason why Jack used them was because he was too busy to memorize his lines. Whether or not Jack actually memorized his lines or did not at all and used the cue cards for purpose, only he and those on the set at the time know. An actor can memorize his lines and still have the cards there are back up in case they forget them when filming. That doesn't mean they didn't learn their lines at all.

That Jack was too busy is some people's speculation. Who says it was Jack's decision to use them? Maybe it was the director or another producer who insisted that Jack use them, so the scene or scenes in question could be filmed faster. Like I said earlier, some guest stars were also using cue cards, but don't have any names or know their reasons for doing so.

I did find the interview with Glenn Cannon where he mentions this. It was conducted by Linda Smith for the Central Dispatch newsletter, January 2008, Volume 5, Issue 1:

"I mentioned to Glenn that it seemed he was reading his lines in Season 11 ‘Stringer’ when he is asking his [Stringer's] girlfriend where to find Stringer. It also appeared to me that he was reading on the balcony when he tells the story of his dad being killed and his burial. Glenn replied he never seen Jack read his lines when he was with him, but he did see other actors reading their lines. Unfortunately, Glenn would not name them. Glenn also mentioned that as far as he could see, both Jack and James got along great."

Side note: I don't know how credible Glenn is, though, since in this interview, he claimed Jack wore a toupee that cost $30,000 - $40,000, when no no one else connected with the show has mentioned this, Jack's own hair stylist, Cherie Huffman, said his hair was his own natural hair, and this expensive toupee has never turned up anywhere, nor has the manufacturer who made it ever come forward. Moreover, anyone who can see can tell that Jack's hair is real. Hair from a toupee or wig is not going to blow around in the wind like Jack's was in "R & R & R" or get sopping wet like it did in "Nine Dragons" or "Man in a Steel Frame," or here:


Added: Monday 15 April 2013 16:28:38 MST

Submitted by: Bob
From: Around

When I see an actor using q cards I am taken right out of the scene. It does not seem fair to the other actors or to the viewer. If they are so busy with other things then perhaps they should not play the part. Now if they (Lord, Ball, B Arthur, Conrad etc etc) allowed all the actors to use them then ok, but if they are using thier power and status to make thier job easier then they are being hypocrites. After all the "im too busy" excuse is unfair, how do we know the other actors are not just as busy with other responsibilities as well that are just as imp if not more???

Added: Monday 15 April 2013 15:49:01 MST

Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

With regards to cue cards, it would not surprise if me if Lord had done that almost from the start of the series.

I read once that Lucille Ball was very demanding of guest stars on her shows (that they know their lines, etc.), yet she read from cue cards herself. In episodes of Here's Lucy in particular, you can see her glancing away to pick up her lines. This was due in part to her having other responsibilities on her show and having a big role in running Desilu at the time. For instance, she was among those at Desilu that decided to put Mannix on his own rather than working for Intertech after the show's first season. Being that involved in other decision making meant that she probably didn't have time to rehearse or memorize lines as often, leading to the cue cards. Lord had similar responsibilities on Five-0 outside of what you see on camera, especially after Leonard Freeman died.

Also in that era, Dean Martin always read from cue cards on his variety show. In fact, he did not even rehearse the skits at all, usually just showing up on the day of taping and rolling with the flow of the scenes. He went as far as to have it written in his contract that he did not have to rehearse and reserved the right to not have to sing on any given show if he didn't want to.

Added: Sunday 14 April 2013 19:03:04 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

I saw some episodes from Seasons 10-11 and a scant few from Season 12, but it was only in one scene from one episode in Season 10 that I remember seeing Jack looking to one side, as if to read a cue card. I can't say for certain which episode it was, but it was that one time that I remember it being so noticeable. I know it was a scene where Steve was talking to the governor.

Jimmy Borges told me this, and gave permission to share it here:

"He used cues every so often, like a line written on a piece of paper, pasted to a window, as he gazed out of the same window...camera would shoot profile. I don't recall big cue cards..."


"Never saw Jack use big cue cards. I didn't do the last year so I can't speak for that time. Bill Conrad [William Conrad from Cannon] did for every scene on his shows. I also heard that Marlon Brando did."

(Note: Mike mentioned this about Brando using cue cards in the archives [September 2010]: "Marlon Brando was famous for reading his lines off cue cards, and even used a hearing aid-like device which he wore as part of his costume while filming The Formula to have some assistant manually feed him the lines prior to him saying them.";)

Jimmy was in 15 episodes ranging from "Death Wish on Tantalus Mountain" in Season 5 to "The Execution File" in Season 11. He wasn't in any Season 12 episodes so, as he says, he can't comment there, but what he did see was Jack reading things off smaller pieces of paper in scenes where McGarrett was reading something to someone else, in which case memorization would not be needed, or he was looking out the window or the balcony and talking to someone else in the room like Danno, but not looking at them. Jack would be the only one filmed in profile, and he is not looking at someone else and speaking to them directly, so he can look at the words taped to a window or wall on the outside.

I can’t find it now, but Glenn Cannon said in an interview that he didn’t see Jack use cue cards, but that some guest stars did, but could not name names. Cannon’s last episode of the series was "Elegy in a Rainforest” in Season 9, so he can’t comment on Seasons 10-12 but, given the information available, it’s safe to say Jack was not using large cue cards in Seasons 1-9, but read certain things off smaller pieces of paper as the storyline would allow, and use the larger cards sometimes in Seasons 10-12.

As for being a perfectionist, I think there’s this fallacy associated with that term in that it makes people believe that being a perfectionist that the end result of their work will be perfect. In the case of making a TV show, that is not the case. Jack could be a perfectionist all he wanted, but he was not in complete control of the show, nor could he mentally or physically be able to do everything required in making the shows come out perfect. He could perfect certain areas, but some things were not in his hands and he could not do anything about them. Jack was not involved in the film editing. A cinematographer on the show said in an interview that the films were flown to the mainland at the end of each shooting day and edited there. Jack couldn’t have gone there personally to oversee such a thing himself. That would be too costly and tiring.

Re: Jack watching the rushes or dailies:

Reza S. Badiyi also mentioned being involved in the editing process, mentioning doing the editing for "The Spirit is Willie,” which he directed. It wasn’t until after the episode aired that Jack saw it in its entirety, and he did not like the take of one scene that was used, that Jack called Badiyi and said to him, "You tricked me.” However, Jack was not there when Badiyi was doing the editing in order to make sure the right take was used. What I have also read, and I’ll look for the source, is that they did not view rushes or dailies, either.

Added: Sunday 14 April 2013 18:38:21 MST

Submitted by: Bill K.
From: Detroit area

Mr. Mike writes about the episode of Bonanza starring William Smith.

This is one of my favorite episodes of the series (certainly the later seasons). Matt specifically orders Festus and Newly to take the towns people back to Dodge City and says good-bye as if he's not expecting to return.

Meanwhile, William Smith's character tells Geoffrey Lewis's character that should Dillon win the fight to kill him.

As Mr. Mike describes, Dillon is about to bash William Smith's character skull in which (unknown to the marshal) will result in his death. But the posse, led by Festus and Newly, gets the drop on the gang. As a result, it is the uneducated, illiterate Festus who makes the most reasoned, educated choice. (Only one person, Lewis's character, is killed.) Matt is still dazed as the posse leads the gang away.

Meanwhile, a friend of mine is a former actress and she once worked with William Smith on a stage production of A Streetcar Named Desire. She says he's a lot better actor that you'd guess from the parts he got on television.

Added: Sunday 14 April 2013 17:22:29 MST

Submitted by: Tony
From: SF

There is no doubt he was reading off of q cards in seasons 10, 11 and 12. If he used them in prior seasons it is not as obvious.

What I find a bit odd is that he was known for being a perfectionist and was demanding in his pursuit of excelance. No problms there but then why was his q card readings soooo obvious? I mean didn't he see the daily rushes and say to himself, wow that looks wayyy too blatant, I better tone it down or change camera angles.

For this viewer I must say I lost a litlle respect for the show and everyone involved starting with season 10. The q card readings just added to my disapointments.

Added: Sunday 14 April 2013 15:28:15 MST

Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

>>>McGarrett's persona in that storyline sticks out like a sore thumb compared to his persona in the other shows<<<

...yes, Vrinda - it does.

>>>but it would have looked equally odd if, after bullying the doctor so much, he has a sudden change of heart and goes back to being impartial and weighing all the evidence first<<<

...but that's exactly what he does. He has a change of heart in what is one of the very worst endings of the entire 12 seasons - McG waves his hairy hand over Dr. Danworth and his old buddy thereby absolving them of their crimes ...and whilst dispensing his wisdom it doesn't help that McG is rocking the dreaded black leisure suit. Would have been perfect if he was wearing a Puka shell necklace and made the peace sign at the end.

Added: Sunday 14 April 2013 15:24:01 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Rick, given that Steve thought the doctor was responsible for the boy's death in some way, lying to him about the undercover woman was keeping in line with that plot device. I'd hardly expect him to tell the truth about it then. The same with allowing the friend to kidnap and try to kill the doctor. It was out of character for McGarrett, yes, but in place with the out-of-character mode in which the writer placed McGarrett. McGarrett's persona in that storyline sticks out like a sore thumb compared to his persona in the other shows, but it would have looked equally odd if, after bullying the doctor so much, he has a sudden change of heart and goes back to being impartial and weighing all the evidence first.

This wasn't the first time Steve was wrong about a suspect. Remember in "Pray Love, Remember?" they arrested that tall blonde-haired man for murdering his girlfriend, only to find out it was the dishwasher from Pearl City with the pet rooster who did it. In that case, though, there was evidence which pointed to the boyfriend - the large shoeprint, that bruises on the right side dead girl's face, indicating a leftie punched her, and the boyfriend being lefthanded, plus having no memory the past night, and the bartender saying that the boyfriend came into his place acting crazy.

Even in "Invitation to Murder," Steve realizes at the end that none of the living family members committed any crime. It was the dead family patriarch who planned all this before his death. The dead man fooled everyone, including Steve.

Added: Sunday 14 April 2013 13:49:20 MST

Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

A VERY PERSONAL MATTER is a very strange episode... McG is very hostile towards Danworth right off, referring to him as DOC-tor, literally dripping with contempt for the the man. Not only is McG wrong, he outright lies to the doctor when he denies using the aerobics babe as a drug addict to try and entrap him. Great line when (ridiculously) the babe tells Danworth she's sick and he replies "You look pretty healthy to me" ...a rare ep where McG is shown to actually have faults, not the least of which is letting his old buddy get away with kidnapping and attempted murder! McG just dismisses it with some lame kumbaya moment about how it's time for everyone to get along! The End!

Added: Sunday 14 April 2013 12:53:40 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

All of these people we mentioned witnessed different things, and are just commenting on what they saw, but are not inferring anything negative by it. Michael Anderson, Jr. also says that Jack never forgot his lines:

"What you saw was really JACK. Just a heightened version of Jack. You couldn’t really tell any difference. And I’ll tell you one thing about Jack -- he NEVER forgot his lines. And sometimes he had great long speeches -- he never forgot his lines. Or anything like that. He was very, very professional."

It's not an either/or issue - that either Jack memorized his lines all the time and recited them or he used cue cards and not both. By the 12th season, it would be completely believable that he was using cue cards.

It was the last season, ordered by CBS at the last minute. Jack was doing the show one year longer than he expected, and he had to deal with one cast member (Jame MacArthur) leaving, another (Herman Wedemeyer) in the hospital, changing the scripts to accommodate the three new cast members (two of whom he worked with only a few times before in the past 17 years), and trying to keep the production afloat.

I read there was a writers' strike in 1979, so maybe that also explains something. Jack was probably itching to get out, and waiting for the end of the show, which he thought would have been at the end of Season 11.

I also noticed that in interviews dating from 1979, before and during the filming of the 12th season, Jack was talking about his plans for after H5-O. He had a contract with CBS - a five-year one he signed in 1977 - and was focusing on coming up with work to fulfill it and meet his legal obligations. He mentioned the pilot for "M Station: Hawaii" - at that point called Makai Range - as early as 1979, so maybe Jack's mind was already thinking past H5-O and he wasn't concentrating on memorizing lines for the last two season's shows.

Maybe Jack was looking forward to moving on, then CBS tells him to do one more Season to fulfill his contract. He went back to work on the show just going through the motions, without the same enthusiasm he used to have.

Miyashiro's comment was one of amazement - despite spending 12 years on the show, and using cue cards for his scenes in that episode, Jack still cared about the quality. Either he cared about the quality of the show to the point where he devoted more attention to other aspects of it and it took away from memorization of his own lines, or he didn't want to take a chance with messing up when he spoke his lines during filming, which would lead to retakes, so he used cue cards. It could be one of these scenarios, not necessarily memory problems.

Added: Sunday 14 April 2013 09:25:56 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Sounds like a classic case of burnout to me. One can only take so much stress before the mind/body shuts down and refuses to memorize another line. Let's remember how much was heaped upon Jack when Len died. Let's also remember that, in August 1980, he said he felt like he had been released from prison when Five-0 ended production. I'll bet he did!

And, so, when "M Station" wasn't picked up, he decided it was time to retire from acting and pursue other activities. His art was gaining in popularity; today, even, original pieces sell for thousands of dollars. He devoted his time to humanitarian efforts; no one in that arena seems to think he was lacking in any way.

No, Jack wasn't showing signs of dementia, only extreme fatigue. A change of scenery as provided by his global travels and a fresh horse to ride, and he continued to contribute to society for easily another 15 years before illness overtook him.

It is interesting to note that Jack and his siblings all died relatively young. Bill was 64, Jack was 77, Josephine and Thomas were 78, and Robert was 68. Conversely, their father was 80, and their mother was 101 when they died. Every one of them lived life to the fullest and is remembered fondly.

Added: Sunday 14 April 2013 04:59:53 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The actor in A Very Personal Matter was Alan Austin, who played the drug dealer.

Mike Miyashiro, who played Jerry Otami in the twelfth season show Flight of the Jewels, said "I was struck how after 12 long seasons (and doing every scene with cue cards), [Jack Lord] was still very much concerned about the quality of the acting on the show."

Carey Anderson, who was a propmaster on the original show (and also works for the current show) told me that he not only held the cue cards for Jack Lord, but he made the cards.

Added: Saturday 13 April 2013 22:52:07 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.


That was not "A Matter of Mutual Concern." That episode aired in Season 4. The episode to which I referred is "A Very Personal Matter." I get those titles confused. Sorry about that.

Added: Saturday 13 April 2013 21:43:11 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Alain, we know that Jack used cue cards at some point. It's nothing new, and nothing strange. A lot of actors used them. Jack was producing the show, running a lot of things behind the scenes, so memorizing his lines would not get the full attention it would normally get if that was all he had to do. He wasn't looking to the side to read the cards in every show after that, either. In the archives of this board, a woman named Kit Leahy who was an extra on the show for 4 years, from 1974 - 1978, said she never saw Jack using cue cards:

"I worked on the show seasons 8 thru 11. During that time I never saw Jack use cue cards nor was there any rumor or evidence of memory loss. I left the Islands just before they began filming season 12. If there was evident memory lapses it had to be the last season of the show."

Mike pointed out that an actor in the 11th season show "A Matter of Mutual Concern" said that Jack was using them. It's possible that both are right. Ms. Leahy might not have been in AMOMC, but in others throughout that period where she didn't see Jack using cue cards, hence her observations. This other actor was on an episode where he saw Jack using them. (Mike, who was that actor?)

Nineteen seventy-eight runs into the production of the 11th season, so it suffices that Jack was not using cue cards all the time, but did for some shows.

Added: Saturday 13 April 2013 21:31:05 MST

Submitted by: Alain Morin
From: Calgary, Canada

Did anyone notice that Jack Lord reads his lines in many scenes from season 9 up? You can see his eyes reading verbal material?

Added: Saturday 13 April 2013 20:24:18 MST

Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

I find the assumptions made by Farrell and possibly Smith about them taking over for Lord after season 12 a bit of a stretch. Had the series continued another year or two, I could definitely have seen them taking more of a lead role with Lord reducing his role somewhat, but not with Lord leaving the series entirely.

Barnaby Jones successfully followed this formula when Mark Shera joined that series as J.R. in 1976. Shera's role was intended to bring in some younger viewers and also to enable the aging Buddy Ebsen to cut back his workload somewhat. This character worked because Ebsen was still clearly the focal point of that series, and this change occurred during the middle of the show's run while ratings were still very good. Viewers knew that J.R. was there to assist Barnaby, not to replace him.

On the other hand, the roles of Kimo and Lori were created when Five-O was near the end of its run. If a show has been on the air 11 years and the star wants to retire, why not just stop there? It is hard to introduce new characters and plot elements this late into a show's run and expect it to work. In my view, William Smith and Sharon Farrell are very good actors, but neither was interesting enough to carry a show on their own, let alone replace a legend like Lord on the show that he made famous. As we have learned with 2.0, if Lord is not playing McGarrett, there is no Five-0.

Added: Saturday 13 April 2013 18:15:54 MST

Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

scroll down to FIVE -0 's season finale


the ones i really care for are PERSON OF INTEREST and NCIS which will have one cast member from JAG which spun off NCIS.

Added: Saturday 13 April 2013 13:59:24 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

I don't care for Sharon Farrell's interviews. They seem to reflect anger toward the subjects of her statements and have been faulted by people much more in the know than I. My supposition was based on only one thing: appearances that Bill Smith seemed to have more scenes, at least in the first half of Season 12, than Jack did. Knowing that Jack was beyond ready to step down, I put two and two together wondered if they totaled four.

Added: Saturday 13 April 2013 12:45:01 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

H50 Forever, what you are speculating about William Smith becoming the boss of Five-O is confirmed by Sharon Farrell in her interview done in the late 1990s (http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/farrell-interview.htm):

"He [Jack Lord] told me he wanted to put me and Bill Smith -- we were going to run Hawaii Five-O. We were going to take over Hawaii Five-O. He was starting a new series -- he was some kind of captain [she is referring here to M Station Hawaii] -- I don’t know that much about it."

Speaking of Farrell, I found the following interview with Farrell from last year.


She says that when she was very young (18) she made her first movie, "Kiss Her Goodbye," which was filmed in Cuba.

The IMDB entry for this film, which was released in 1959, is very vague. The film is supposed to be set in Florida, but one review says it was looked like it was filmed in California, so being filmed in Cuba is not out of the question, since this would have been before the Cuban Revolution. But get this ... Farrell says she was hanging out with Che Guevara!

One of her co-stars in this film was Andrew Prine, who played several roles on Five-O and also appeared in M Station Hawaii. Farrell married Prine in 1962, but this marriage did not last, it was annulled after a few months.

Here is another relatively recent interview with Farrell:


And this is a discussion on some WWW site of Kiss Her Goodbye. The consensus seems to be this is not a particularly good movie, though some of the reviewers at IMDB are more sympathetic:


Added: Saturday 13 April 2013 08:16:19 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

I've been reading your comments about Bill Smith, and they have brought to mind a very interesting possibility. Like Bill, Jack was able to play really nasty villains. Yet, he could turn about face and play really strong protagonists, as well.

Do you think it is possible that the producers hoped Smith would be able to make the same about face and play a McGarrett-like character, who could assume the leadership of Five-0 and continue the series when Jack departed after Season 12?

As we know, of course, Smith's James "Kimo" Carew did not play well with either the camera or the audience. But could that not have been what was originally hoped for, even planned? Just wondering.

Added: Saturday 13 April 2013 04:45:37 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I watched this episode with Smith on Gunsmoke today. It dates from the show's 18th season. Smith is Jude Bonner, the psychotic leader of a group of Dog Soldiers. His brother Virgil is arrested by Dillon for murder while cavorting in a Dodge whorehouse. Virgil has a trial and is slated to hang, so Jude kidnaps Miss Kitty ("the Marshal's woman"), hoping to trade her for his brother. But the Governor refuses a stay of execution and Virgil is hanged, so Jude brings Kitty back to town after "abusing" her and shoots her in the back in front of the horrified townspeople. Dillon sets his badge aside and rides after the gang, and eventually fights it out mano-a-mano with Jude. Dillon is about to smash Jude's head in with a rock when Festus and Newly O'Brien ride up with a posse of townspeople (all of whom were following Dillon) and take the gang and Jude into custody. Smith's character is VERY nasty as you might expect ... he looks like a caveman and talks in a very low, menacing voice. Geoffrey Lewis, sometimes a Five-O guest star, plays Jude's other brother Lafitte, and the music is by Elmer Bernstein. (Miss Kitty survives, by the way.)

Added: Friday 12 April 2013 21:28:23 MST

Submitted by: epaddon
From: New Jersey

Some more season 6 viewing. "Draw Me A Killer" and "One Big Happy Family" give us probably the most brilliantly written examples of truly psychologically disturbed monsters you'll ever see given how utterly senseless all the killings are. The conceits are so well written that I'm willing to look past the unbelievable element of "Draw Me A Killer" in that the odds there would be dead ringers for the four comic strip villains *in the same profession* who just happened to be in easy proximity to where Arthur lived is really stretching things considerably. Also, I noticed what has to be an error in that the "Judy Moon" lookalike is referred to as "Miss Palmer" after we've been introduced to the comic strip artist "Lowell Palmer". I can't believe the script would have written two characters with the same name.

"Tricks Are Not Treats" gives us the irony of seeing Ron Glass and Gregory Sierra as sleazy types just a year before both would be working together in "Barney Miller" (Abe Vigoda would also put in an appearance on Five-O before "Barney Miller" started).

Added: Friday 12 April 2013 19:57:00 MST

Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

Outside of his stint on Laredo, William Smith was noted for mostly playing bad guys prior to taking the role of Kimo on Five-O.

In particular, his role on a 1972 episode of Gunsmoke called "Hostage", in which he and his band of outlaws torture and then shoot Miss Kitty in the back would give one an idea of how well he played villains. He was equally good in the role of Falconetti on the Rich Man, Poor Man miniseries.

Years ago, I bought a book called "Murder On The Air" by Ric Meyers, which was about some of the great cop/detective series on TV. Mr. Meyers stated that seeing Smith on the show not as the worst criminal McGarrett ever caught but as a replacement for Danno made audiences feel they had fallen into the Twilight Zone. That just about sums it up.

Added: Friday 12 April 2013 18:15:12 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

First two minutes of next Monday's show:


CBS and others connected with the show are really hyping the hell out of this.

It looks dumb already. First, McGarrett's outfit seems very ill-fitting (especially the hat), and this road connecting North and South Korea is some dinky bridge, which does not jive with typical images of the DMZ (do a Google Images search for korea dmz).

Added: Friday 12 April 2013 17:50:56 MST

Submitted by: John
From: MTL Canada

Mike, you mentioned some of the old heavily cut "family channel" episodes from the 90's and it reminded me of one episode (from the first or second season where the whole ending is missing!! You never find out how they catch him, you skip from the last commercial break (which was usually followed by the last 2-3 minutes) to the ending credits.

At first I thought it was just a transmission bobo but a few months later it came around again and same thing. I can't remember exactly the episode but I think it was the one about the man who gets shot when he discovers a poker game was rigged.

Added: Friday 12 April 2013 15:01:34 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.


What I read was that William was originally supposed to be in only three episodes, but they made him a regular at the last minute. You're right - he's better suited to heavy and bad guy roles, which is what he did more so than good guy roles. Jack worked with him twice before - on an episode of Stoney Burke and an episode of Laredo called "Above the Law." Jack and William had only one scene together in that episode, though, and they did not exchange dialogue.

Added: Friday 12 April 2013 07:56:10 MST

Submitted by: Ray
From: Burbank

Just started to watch the episodes from Season 12. I'm really confused on how they picked William Smith to replace MacArthur. He does not fit well as a second banana. When you watch a scene with him and Lord, he stands out like a sore thumb. He's so much bigger than Lord. I'm surprised Lord let them hire him. Another thing that bothers me about him is his eyes. Sometimes he looks like a psycho. I was just watching "Image Of Fear" and take a look at his eyes when he says, "..she could be imagining the whole thing." at the 16:23:00 mark. (This time is marked from the point after the opening credits. If you include the opening credits, add a minute). He looks like a psycho about to kill you. There are other scenes where I get the same feeling. He's just spooky. I think roles like he had in The Rockford Files "Backlash of the Hunter" suit him much better. So, far Season 12 is pretty bad. I always hated Season 10 but Season 11 was not too bad.

Added: Friday 12 April 2013 04:53:24 MST

Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"This is very bad timing to air a show set in North Korea. I'm surprised the network hasn't pulled it."

Oh that's nothing. Have you seen the new action flick OLYMPUS HAS FALLEN? With Gerard Butler, Aaron Eckhart, and Morgan Freeman. It's basically DIE HARD IN A WHITE HOUSE. And the terrorist attackers are North Koreans. I actually enjoyed the film quite a bit. But then I love these DIE HARD clones. But it's a very violent movie and the North Korean terrorist is a particularly ruthless and vile individual. Plus hundreds of Americans lose their lives in that film.

So if they didn't pull that one I doubt anyone would worry about some insignificant episode of Five-Faux. Where AOL and Caan will probably just engage in a bunch of carguments and drink beer with some Koreans.

Added: Thursday 11 April 2013 13:55:06 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Speaking of animals hiding in boats (and India too), this reminds me of the recent (and very cool) movie The Life of Pi where a huge bengal tiger hides in a lifeboat and suddenly appears out of nowhere! :D

So I'm sure if a tiger could hide in this manner, that rats could be unnoticed for a while too.

Added: Thursday 11 April 2013 10:25:21 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.


About the rats in "Charter for Death": Rats are pack animals, and are comfortable living near humans, though do not approach humans if they can. Though science tells us one rat is enough to start the bubonic plague, the rats don't know that. Where one rat goes, there will be others. That was how the plague was brought over to Europe during the Crusades: though one rat was enough to start it, the rats congregated on those ships because they don't live as loners. If there are food scraps anywhere, more than one rat will be there.

Whether all those rats in real life or in the storyline of CFD all had the plague is unclear, but that doesn't mean that, in either case, every rat had it, nor does the dialogue in CFD state that all the rats were tested and they came up positive for bubonic plague. Some would have had it for certain, but that there were so many is just based on how rats live how they congregate.

As for the rat in the lifeboat, the crooks should have seen it, but the rat might have hidden in some nook. In the case of the lifeboat, I would agree it was visual overkill but, in the case of the larger boat, it could happen.

This reminds of when, as a child, we go to visit an aunt and uncle of my dad's in Bombay, India. Their apartment building and the other buildings had garbage strewn about all over the front and side yards, often in big piles like in a garbage dump. I would see goats grazing out of them. However, inside the apartment buildings, I would see huge rats running around the lobby, near the elevator, where more garbage was dumped. These rats were the size of groundhogs. There was always more than one, and they would run in circles and towards the walls, letting out this high-pitched screech. I felt sorry for them, actually.

Added: Thursday 11 April 2013 10:13:24 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

This is very bad timing to air a show set in North Korea. I'm surprised the network hasn't pulled it.

Added: Thursday 11 April 2013 09:41:51 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Spoilers for next episode from Adam Bryant & Nathalie Abrams @ TV Guide:


What can you tell me about the upcoming Hawaii Five-0 prequel episode?

ADAM: McGarrett travels to North Korea to collect the remains of a fellow SEAL who died in the mission we saw a snippet of in the first episode of the series. Why does McGarrett go to such great lengths three years later? Let's just McGarrett is indirectly to blame for his partner's death. Several of the flashbacks play on father-son dynamics, which makes watching the re-contextualized scene of McGarrett talking to his dad for the last time even more brutal.


Considering the previous two "North Korean" themed episodes were the worst of the new show so far, I am not looking forward to this.

I was thinking if Fatty Boy in North Korea launches a missile before then, wouldn't that give the show some great publicity? NOT!

Added: Thursday 11 April 2013 08:24:28 MST

Submitted by: epaddon
From: New Jersey

I had thought I'd seen every episode as I'd made my way through each DVD release, but "Charter For Death" I must have missed the first go-round as it had nothing familiar to me when I watched it tonight. Very impressive, but I have one quibble and that's the presence of the rats. It strikes me as farfetched that the yacht could have had so many rats in the hold and even more unbelievable is the dead rat in the abandoned lifeboat (we're to believe the three of them never noticed it or the rats beforehand?) The plague only needs one rat to be lethal and the presence of so many struck me as a serious case of visual overkill.

I still get a funny feeling seeing Bert Convy in his two episodes since I know him best as the host of the game show "Tattletales." But since Bert was an actor originally, his presence isn't anywhere near as strange as "Let's Make A Deal" announcer Jay Stewart showing up in "Chain Of Events".

Added: Wednesday 10 April 2013 20:50:16 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Mike, thank you.

Tony, you're welcome. I went to IMDb and used their "Advanced Search" option. I selected "Advanced Name Search" and then scrolled down to where it said, "filmography," then I typed in "The Golden Girls." A drop down-list of titles appears, and you have to make sure you click on the one in that list that says "The Golden Girls" (1985) - referring to the TV series. That tells the system that you are looking for a list of people whose filmographies contain the title "The Golden Girls" TV series, to avoid confusion with similar titles. Writers, directors, and other crew members will appear in that list, too, since it was not specifically sorted by actors alone, and there is no function that will enable you to do so. Then, you click on "search" and a list of the those people appears, in terms of users' popularity votes. The actors who are most popular or well-known will appear at the top of the list.

You can change the list so the names appear in alphabetical order or by height, birth date, or death date. I then went through the list and noted down by memory who I recognized as having been on Hawaii Five-O. Pretty soon, I got to people whose names I did not recognize and who didn't have a photo of themselves on their profiles, so I had to click on their filmographies to see of H5-O was on it or not.

Added: Wednesday 10 April 2013 16:41:50 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

My original "anal-yses" of the show were from 1994-1996. You can see them by going to


Several shows are missing from this list. There were no star ratings for these shows.

I started watching the shows on KVOS in Bellingham, WA and received other episodes (mostly later seasons) on tape from friends in Pennsylvania and Seattle, Washington during the 1990s. As far as I am aware, these shows were complete (the ones in Seattle were from KONG, which were absolutely complete, with bumpers around the commercials in the middle which were not on the dubs from other channels -- this included the last three seasons).

When I got a few episodes of the Family Channel, which were very edited, in the late 1990s, I compared them with these earlier broadcasts and found lots of things missing (see http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/famchan-analysis.htm).

When the shows were released on DVD, I rewatched them again and redid the episode reviews ... for seasons four on, for sure. There are several shows from the first three seasons which I have not redone yet.

Added: Wednesday 10 April 2013 14:50:47 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Mike, didn't you base the ratings for episodes of the old show on TV broadcasts - some of which were edited?

Added: Wednesday 10 April 2013 14:01:28 MST

Submitted by: Tony
From: SF

Thanks VRINDA for the info I had no idea there would be that many! How did you find them? Oh I miss the days of great character actors, many trained on the stage.

Added: Wednesday 10 April 2013 11:41:04 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The ratings for the new show are within the new show's own little universe, and have nothing to do with the old show or any other show. I don't watch a lot of TV, so I can't compare the new show to other similar current cop/detective/forensic shows.

Trying to bend over backwards, I actually created a second rating system for some of the first and second season shows. You can find this referred to in the HTML for the pages, commented out, because it was becoming confusing. These second ratings were higher than the one which is currently appearing on the pages:

It's Just a Twenty-First-Century TV Show Rating
Rating that Ignores the F***ing Awful Music
Rating After Watching It A Second Time
Don't Think About It Too Hard Rating

As far as the old show is concerned, there are plenty of faults, and not just with the later seasons where this is to be expected or because of the usual continuity errors and so forth. I probably bend over backwards the other way with the old show on many occasions because of the circumstances of filming and other considerations like the fact that the music, despite a lot of repetition, is listenable.

Added: Wednesday 10 April 2013 08:38:26 MST

Submitted by: Ray
From: Burbank

I'm confused by your star ratings for the new show. Are you implying that a 3 stars episode from the new show is as good as a 3 stars episode from a the classic series?

Maybe you should come up with another symbol. Like a miniature goose or something. So a 3 star episode from the new series would be 3 gooses (geeses, geese?).

It's hard for me to imagine that you mean to say some of the new episodes are as good as the old. I have yet to see one episode from the new series that is even a tenth as good as the worst from the classic series.

Added: Wednesday 10 April 2013 07:42:25 MST

Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

been a long while ...working

i did buy season 1 of THE EQUALIZER which was a great show and God Bless Edward Woodward sooooo damn good as Robert McCall. check out "Lady Cop" w/ McCall vs crooked NY cops bullying a female officer. written by HURT LOCKER's Kathryn Bigelow. classic episode with this sensational moment between Woodward and a young Will Patton: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N7Ud_ELyXc

poor Patton must have bruised up with many slams to the wall

Added: Wednesday 10 April 2013 06:53:31 MST

Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Hi all,

Mike, I'm of the same mind as Ringfire. I like the Spartacus score very much, but it hasn't stayed with me, or the public as much as some other ones. I don't dislike it though as it's beautifully done. I do wish that they still had "RoadShow" type showings today as somehow I think it added to the allure and glamour of the movies back then, and made the movies special. Today it's like filing into a donut shop to get a cup of coffee when you see a movie.

I loved that sequence that you mentioned of Crassius's and Spartacus's speeches being intercut with each other.

Any ideas, Mike of why the prices on the DVD's seem to be going up so much after years of being very good deals?

Loved your post Ringfire on political correctness as I'm with you all the way. I will go out and buy Demetrius and EL CID......I've always been in love with Jean Simmons by the way. :!inlove:

Fox News Channel aired the tribute to the last episode of Five-O last Friday night at 7:58 PM on their "This day in History" segment which ends every newscast. It was really well done and caught me by surprise, and I loved the way they ended the newscast with the theme music. The show is called 'The Fox Report with Shepard Smith" I don't know if they archive that segment and keep the video on the show's site. You can try there. It was a very nice tribute.

Added: Tuesday 09 April 2013 07:22:18 MST

Submitted by: Bill Ward
From: Redmond,WA

I watched the first 5O with interest. Also a fan of MAGNUM PI. Why diddo none of these shows pass the opportunity for a strong background character, granddaughter ofCharlie Chan? Charlie had 10 sons who scattered all over the globe. Granddaughter could have a wealth of information for 5O?

Added: Monday 08 April 2013 18:21:23 MST

Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"Try getting it right next time, eh, brah?"

Hey, but at least I snapped my fingers about 15 times in rapid succession. :)

Added: Monday 08 April 2013 13:14:23 MST

Submitted by: Bill K.
From: Detroit area

No Five-O reference on Mad Men. The story took place between Dec. 3, 1967 (first successful heart transplant) and the early morning hours of Jan. 1, 1968, or well before Five-O's debut.

Added: Sunday 07 April 2013 20:39:08 MST

Submitted by: Barbara

Barbara (Pittsburgh), I looked everywhere online to see if I could get a clip of that segment that Fox Report with Shepard Smith aired on April 5th regarding the 33rd anniversary of the finale of the original Hawaii Five-0. Couldn't seem to find a video of that show. If anyone else is computer savvy (unlike me) perhaps you can give it a try. Would be nice to see.

Added: Sunday 07 April 2013 15:23:17 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

If there is anyone in the Vancouver area who wants a lot of the shows on VHS tape (for FREE), contact me through the link at the bottom of the page. I have a lot of T-160 tapes where I recorded the shows ages ago (not expecting that they would eventually be released on DVD) that I want to get rid of.

Added: Sunday 07 April 2013 11:49:17 MST

Submitted by: Barbara
From: Pittsburgh

Barbara from Chicago, good to hear from you again! No, it wasn't the local affiliate, it was the national news. It was the 7 o'clock broadcast, anchored by Shepard Smith. They were commemorating the thirty-third anniversary of the series finale of the original "Hawaii Five-0."

Added: Sunday 07 April 2013 10:15:51 MST

Submitted by: Bill Koenig
From: Detroit area

Mad Men season 6 premiers tonight. Will it have a Hawaii Five-O reference?

Season 4 had a reference to The Man From UNCLE (Draper's daughter discovers her sexuality while watching David McCallum's Illya Kuryakin in The Hong Kong Shilling Affair that aired spring 1965).

Season 5's concluding episode had two James Bond references: Draper and a woman go to a theater to see the 1967 spoofy Casino Royale (you hear the first few notes of Burt Bacharach's theme music) and the episode concludes with Nancy Sinatra's performance of the You Only Live Twice title song. Both movies came out in 1967.

Part of tonight's episode is set in Hawaii. Would seem easy to drop in a rendition of Morton Stevens's Five-O theme at the very least. We'll see.

Added: Sunday 07 April 2013 06:27:02 MST

Submitted by: Steve D
From: Fairfax VA

5/20 - 3.24 - Farewell, With Love/Take Good Care

Is there any speculation on what this refers to?

Added: Sunday 07 April 2013 06:09:04 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Hawaii Five-O alum who also guest-starred on The Golden Girls:

Leslie Nielsen
Anne Francis
Henry Darrow
Terry Kiser
Kevin McCarthy
Monte Markham
Keye Luke
Lloyd Bochner
Peter Jason
David Wayne
Simone Griffeth
Bill Quinn
John McMartin

These are some I found.

Added: Saturday 06 April 2013 16:52:34 MST

Submitted by: Tony
From: SF

5-0 connections.

This first one is kind of obscure but fans will recognize this director.

I was watching Carnival of Souls from 1962 which is today considered to be a cult classic horror film and I noticed during the credits that Reza Badiyi was an assisatnt director on it.

Then I was watching the Golden Girls on DVd with my sister, who loves the show, and noticed 3 alum from 5-0 as guest stars, Harlod Gould, Lois Nettleton and Sheri North. Anyone know if there are any others that were on both shows???

Added: Saturday 06 April 2013 14:42:13 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Ringfire, the proper term is not "This. Precisely." It is "Exactly! Exactly!" Try getting it right next time, eh, brah? (Just teasing)

Added: Saturday 06 April 2013 13:18:57 MST

Submitted by: Barbara

Hey Barbara (of Pittsburgh), was it the local Fox station that aired it? When did it air?

Added: Saturday 06 April 2013 04:09:36 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Barbara of Pittsburgh just let me know that, tonight, Fox News paid homage to today's being the 33rd anniversary of the airing of the final episode of Five-0. She said they showed scenes of JL and JMac and played the theme song. How 'bout that! I wish I'd seen it.

Added: Friday 05 April 2013 20:01:35 MST

Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"People need to stop looking at old films through the lens of modern times and understand this film came out in 1951, and depicted ancient Rome not 1951 America, or 2013 America. That's why it's called a HISTORICAL PIECE."

This! Precisely!

The monster that is political correctness has made people paranoid - seeing sexism everywhere, whether it's there or not, whether it's warranted or not. Of course a powerful Roman male would feel superior over a humble Jew female slave. He'd be considered superior even over a fellow Roman female. As Archie Bunker used to sing it "Girls were girls and men were men". Folks really do need to lighten up and get a clue! What next? Why wasn't Nero talking on a cell phone? This whole notion of sexism has really gotten out of hand. For example I'm a huge Bond fan. Others don't like the Bond films because they consider them sexist. Especially the Connery era. But to me that's part of their charm. So instead of just being entertained folks choose to gripe about sexism instead. Seriously, when did folks forget how to have fun? This is just a movie, remember? It's fantasy. It's entertainment. This isn't a social commentary. I wonder if these same folks curse the name of Carroll O'Connor when they watch ALL IN THE FAMILY. Oh boy. :!thinking:

As for DEMETRIUS AND THE GLADIATORS, yes definitely check it out, Rainbow! It's basically a sequel to THE ROBE so if you loved that one then you definitely owe it to yourself to check out DEMETRIUS. The chemistry of Richard Burton and Jean Simmons is missing and Victor Mature isn't as good an actor as Burton but there is still plenty of other goodness there to partake in. Plus it has gladiators and fights with animals in the arena. So this should definitely be your cup of tea!

Mr. Mike, I didn't say I hated or disliked the SPARTACUS score. Only that I can't remember much of it outside of the "Love Theme". I'm sure it's a good score and nothing about it stood out negatively for me. Just that unlike Rozsa's scores it didn't get stuck in my brain immediately, the way most great scores do. Anyway, I guess I have a new task - listening to Alex North's SPARTACUS score. :) Should be good.

Added: Friday 05 April 2013 14:09:19 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Rainbow, it looks like you are right about the price of some of the seasons going up at Amazon.

The first three figures below are the prices you would have paid if you bought from Amazon itself around October 23 of last year, followed by new and used copies from Amazon Marketplace sellers. This is followed, in parentheses, by the same three figures from today.

I have highlighted the highest price in each category in bold, whether it was in October last year or now...

Season 1 $14.40 / $11.14 / $7.59 ($16.23 / $9.74 / $4.75)
Season 2 $13.38 / $11.77 / $4.84 ($15.68 / $11.44 / $6.98)
Season 3 $13.17 / $9.22 / $8.99 ($14.52 / $11.33 / $9.89)
Season 4 $12.50 / $9.50 / $7.97 ($14.50 / $9.98 / $8.30)
Season 5 $21.90 / $16.00 / $14.37 ($26.43 / $17.60 / $14.51)
Season 6 $19.00 / $18.79 / $15.03 ($25.02 / $21.79 / $20.73)
Season 7 $26.93 / $22.27 / $22.19 ($25.98 / $19.80 / $19.70)
Season 8 $26.93 / $23.41 / $23.31 ($26.43 / $23.19 / $32.55)
Season 9 $29.38 / $29.38 / $29.53 ($35.87 / $31.67 / $32.30)
Season 10 $13.16 / $13.02 / $10.17 ($22.99 / $16.99 / $15.00)
Season 11 $33.24 / $24.98 / $21.50 ($33.79 / $24.69 / $22.99)
Season 12 $36.93 / $30.83 / $23.79 ($33.95 / $27.00 / $27.00)

Added: Friday 05 April 2013 11:06:22 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Rainbow, I agree with you completely about the discussion of QV being sexist at IMDB, which can be viewed at http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0043949/board/thread/184655422. I should have stuck my remark down at the end, prefacing it with words to the effect: "For a ridiculous modern view of the show, check out this thread."

The movie was made in 1951, based on a book published in 1895 and based on events which happened in ancient Rome. The character of Lygia was a >slave< and Marcus was a big shot in the Roman army, so the way Lygia and other women were treated and portrayed in this film was as one might expect.

But back to Robert Taylor... Was there any actor of the time, American or British, who could have elevated this performance to the same level as Ustinov (an iconic portrayal of Nero) or Leo Genn's Petronius? I don't think Gregory Peck would have fit the bill, he was much too "gentlemanly." Stewart Granger was kind of beefy, in other words, physically right for the part, but I dunno if his acting chops would have made his Marcus memorable.

As far as the score to Spartacus is concerned, I don't understand why you guys don't like it. It is very dissonant compared to Ben-Hur or other Rozsa scores of the period like King of Kings or El Cid. But the dissonance is mostly associated with the nasty Roman army as opposed to the love theme for Spartacus and Virinia. I remember when I saw this movie in the theater originally, a big "roadshow" presentation in the Strand Theater in Vancouver. I especially remember it because just around this time, I needed glasses and the screen (which was huge) was pretty blurry! There is a memorable sequence in this show where Laurence Olivier as the slimy Crassus is giving this rant to the people of Rome telling how he will crush Spartacus, which is intercut with Kirk Douglas talking to his followers in a very gentle way.

Another North score to check out is the one he did for Cleopatra, though that film has a lot of major baggage associated with it because of the Taylor/Burton scandal and the massive amount of waste that went on. The Blu-Ray of Cleo (which contains fascinating commentary and extra features like documentaries) is absolutely stunning, and I got it from the UK when it was first released for peanuts (around $10). From a visual point of view, this film makes one forget Taylor's shrill portrayal of the lead character and North's score is very cool and jazzy in parts.

Added: Friday 05 April 2013 10:23:13 MST

Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Mike and Ringfire:

I agree with you both on Robert Taylor in Quo Vadis, it is an oddly stiff and detached performance but here is the thing. As far as his character being sexist, I think that was a necessary plot point to show him like that at the beginning of the film, and then by the end of the movie, we see how his love for Kerr has changed him, his world view, and his slow turning to believe in Christ. The performance is slightly better towards the end of the movie, so I think the sexism was purposely written to show the change in him by the end. The way woman are treated in the film is the way Rome was at the time, so they portrayed the attitude towards women in Rome at that point in history, which was correct. People need to stop looking at old films through the lens of modern times and understand this film came out in 1951, and depicted ancient Rome not 1951 America, or 2013 America. That's why it's called a HISTORICAL PIECE.

Deborah Kerr was outstanding, and I think without her performance the movie might have failed. I'm very partial to British actors and actresses though, as I prefer them over Americans, because of their deep stage training. Mike, I do think you're right though about Taylor's performance, and it might have been the reason Quo Vadis is not as revered as Ben Hur. I can't imagine Kirk Douglas, or anyone else but Charlton Heston playing Judah Ben-Hur. It was a well deserved Oscar for Heston.

Ringfire: I agree with your comments on the Spartacus score.....I LOVE "The Robe" as it is one of my favorites and have seen it countless times since I was a child. I have never seen "Demetrius and the Gladiators", so you have given me another one to find and buy, although it had been on my list.

Mike: Is it me or have the prices on the DVD's for the old Five-O gone up a lot the past few months?

Happy Weekend all.

Added: Friday 05 April 2013 07:35:58 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Is there a change in this list from what has been posted before? It is from #Five0Redux:

4/8 - No episode - NCAA Men's Basketball Championships
4/15 - 3.20 - "The Promise" - confirmed
4/19 - Special night: "Offering" - confirmed
4/22 - Repeat: "Evil Woman" - confirmed
4/29 - 3.21 - Soul Searching
5/6 - 3.22 - To Extinguish
5/13 - 3.23 - A Trick of the Trade
5/20 - 3.24 - Farewell, With Love/Take Good Care

(Can't post the Hawaiian translations because the accents screw up...)

Added: Thursday 04 April 2013 23:18:56 MST

Submitted by: Ray
From: Burbank

I am currently viewing the episodes of Season 11 and I have to admit they are not too bad. It must have been Season 10 they ran on televison most of the time and I attributed the demise of the show based on that Season alone. I hope Season 12 is good too but I doubt it. Isn't Season 12 where they introduced Truck and that Mr. Universe looking guy? Wasn't another cop chick introduced too?

One thing that bothers me about "The Miracle Man" is why is Five-0 even involved in this case? There wasn't any crime committed during the whole episode. That has to be a Hawaii Five-0 first...an episode where no crime is committed. Can you think of another episode like that?

"Why Won't Linda Die?"...is pretty good. Sharon Farrell did a fine job.

Even though "Deadly Courier" is under par, it still beats any episode of the new Hawaii Five-0 which, by the way, I can barely watch.

Added: Thursday 04 April 2013 23:00:09 MST

Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Agreed on Robert Taylor in QUO VADIS. There was something about him that didn't quite click with me. I'm not even sure what it was. I don't think it was because he was too wooden. Certainly not anywhere near as wooden as Stephen Boyd was as the lead in THE FALL OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE. I think Taylor just sounded too American or something. Though guys like Heston and Kirk Douglas are also very American and somehow they make it work. I don't know. Taylor did a decent enough job in IVANHOE as I recall (another great Rozsa score - boy, that guy is everywhere!) but I guess he just wasn't Roman enough for me in QUO VADIS. Deborah Kerr though I thought was very good as Lygia. I guess I find it easier to accept British actors in these historical epics playing Romans, Greeks, Jews, etc. :)

As for Alex North's score for SPARTACUS, while I think its "Love Theme" is a brilliant piece of scoring I honestly don't think the rest of the score can hold a candle to Rozsa's score for BEN-HUR. Or to most of his other scores for that matter. Aside from the "Love Theme" I honestly can't remember anything else from the score. While Rozsa's score for BEN-HUR is easily the best score of 1959 (trumping even the brilliant NORTH BY NORTHWEST by Bernard Herrmann), for 1960 there are at least 3 scores that I prefer over North's SPARTACUS - Herrmann's PSYCHO, Elmer Bernstein's THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN, and Dimitri Tiomkin's THE ALAMO. A little Five-0 connection here: the Best Score for 1960 went to Ernest Gold's EXODUS. Turns out that Gold scored 2 episodes of Five-0 in the 10th season - "Deep Cover" and "A Short Walk on the Longshore". Imagine that! An Oscar-winning composer worked on Five-0!

And here's the awesomesauce "Ave Caesar March" from QUO VADIS: http://bit.ly/Xg1lCt

Hey Mike and Rainbow, what are your thoughts on THE ROBE and DEMETRIUS AND THE GLADIATORS? Keep in mind that our buddy Ralph Mingo from S4's "Cloth of Gold" played Caligula in both! :) Jay Robinson is a delight to watch! He must have really been inspired by Ustinov in QUO VADIS. Because he's hamming it up like there's no tomorrow! He seriously gives Ustinov a run for his money. There is something about Robinson's childlike/whiny voice combined with his very fey demeanor that is mind-bendingly awesomesauce!! Plus 2 more great scores courtesy of Alfred Newman and Franz Waxman, respectively.

Added: Thursday 04 April 2013 10:22:44 MST

Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Wow!..What awesomesaucy posts here the last day!

Mike, great memories of seeing Ben-Hur as a child. I envy you that you had those experiences. I do miss the fact that going to the movies is no longer the "event" or the "experience" that you had as a child when you were ten. Movies are not the "event" they once were.

Vrinda, as always giving history and information that you can't find anywhere else and the Richard Hatch interview is priceless.

Ringfire has my juices flowing. Ustinov was brilliant as Nero in Quo Vadis and so was Glenn...I'm on the hunt to buy Bridge on the River Kwai and El Cid.

Mike: Craig T. Nelson and Christine Lahti were both in 1979's classic Al Pacino film "And Justice For All"...Come to think of it, if they kill off Scott Caan at the end that would be 'And Justice For All"

Great post about Jeff's meeting with Richard Hatch. You can't find that anywhere else.

Awesomesauce everyone!...I'm gone for the day. It's cold out and I love it!

Added: Thursday 04 April 2013 07:40:13 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

To get the topic back to something important like Easter movies...

Quo Vadis (especially on Blu Ray) is pretty cool, though I cannot stand Robert Taylor as the lead. The guy's performance is too robotic and his character is majorly disinterested in the proceedings. There is even a posting at IMDB about how sexist his character is (and the way the lead women in this movie are portrayed)! Gregory Peck and Elizabeth Taylor were considered to play the parts early on, but I think they didn't want to commit to such a long production schedule, as did Stewart Granger, who would have made a much better male lead. Deborah Kerr does a good job as Lygia, the female lead, though. Rozsa's music for QV has been the subject of music discussion for years. The original tapes from the soundtrack recordings way back then were lost, though Film Score Monthly did issue the soundtrack in a deluxe box set of Rozsa-at-MGM, which included every single scrap of music that they could get their hands on, often including sound effects. A few months ago, an incredible new stereo 2-CD recording of the the score to QV was issued (after 60 years!) which is worth every penny. I just got it, along with a couple of other Rozsa scores which were released recently on CD: Providence and The Red House.

Spartacus (which I refer to jokingly as "Asparagus") is another cool Roman movie, and the score by Alex North (also released a couple of years ago in its completeness in a deluxe box set) is one of the very best ever, even rivalling that of Rozsa for Ben-Hur. I think one of the reasons that Kirk Douglas made this movie was that he was annoyed he was passed over for the lead in Ben-Hur. Speaking of Ben-Hur, which won the most Oscars ever (11) until the The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King and Titanic tied the total more recently, it's interesting that Charlton Heston, who won for Best Actor, was never nominated for another Oscar for any other film.

Added: Thursday 04 April 2013 07:33:56 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

As the third season is coming to an end soon, we are going to be deluged with news of guest stars designed to raise interest, as well as the usual rumours about plot lines including cliff-hangers. Did they ever engage in this kind of flackery with the old show?

ZAP2it.com revealed today in a casting exclusive that Craig T. Nelson of Parenthood will be joining Hawaii Five-0 for a late-season guest appearance. According to Rick Porter of ZAP2it, Nelson will play a "power hungry" ex-CIA operative.

"Nelson's character is suspected of some shady dealings while with the CIA, and he has information that could harm both current and former operatives with the agency," says Porter. Odds are good that Nelson's erstwhile agent has ill intentions towards Doris McGarrett (Christine Lahti), who recently lost her long-hidden CIA bargaining chip in a suspiciously specific home invasion.

Porter also revealed that Oscar nominee Mare Winningham, along with Henry Rollins (Sons of Anarchy) and Don Swayze (True Blood, Carnivale), will appear in an episode which centers around a string of child abductions. Rollins will play the man responsible for the abductions, while Winningham plays his wife. Swayze will play an early suspect.

An interesting aside -- Five-0 executive producer Peter Lenkov worked on Craig T. Nelson's old CBS series The District, writing 6 episodes and serving as both supervising producer and co-executive producer. Jean Smart, Five-0's murdered Governor Pat Jameson, also appeared in the show, which ran from 2000-2004.

Porter's article can be read at http://bit.ly/XOHkV1

Added: Thursday 04 April 2013 07:08:25 MST

Submitted by: Ray
From: Burbank

Can someone tell me why they used a Double for McGarrett when Steve, Danny and Duke approached the Hakima's building (16:00 minutes into the episode) in "The Deadly Courier"? They didn't use a Double for Danny and Duke. The Double is so obvious it's funny.

Added: Wednesday 03 April 2013 16:46:54 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Perry Mason, Ironside, and The Wild Wild West had several future and concurrent Five-O guest stars as well. Yesterday, I watched an episode of Ironside called "A Mind For Murder," which aired in 1973. There were four future Five-O guest stars there alone: Ross Martin (Stringer, Number One With a Bullet, Parts 1 and 2, Lion in the Streets, and Good Help is Hard to Find), Louise Sorel (Try to Die on Time), Patricia Hindy (A Woman's Work is With a Gun), and Burr DeBenning (A Long Time Ago).

As it is, Jack was a guest star on Ironside in 1967 (episode titled "Dead Man's Tale), and series regular Barbara Anderson was in Season 11's "The Meighan Conspiracy." Jack and Don Galloway co-starred in the western film Ride to Hangman's Tree in 1967, and he and Gene Lyons - who played Commissioner Dennis Randall on Ironside - were both guest stars on a 1960 episode of The Naked City, called "The Human Trap."

Added: Wednesday 03 April 2013 16:45:20 MST

Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

>>>I have to disagree with Mike about Yah Ling Sun being a babe<<< Compared to Louis Nye she looks pretty good... yhoo.it/XenNvK ...!

As far as FIVE-O alumni goes - it seems like a lot of them showed up on FIVE-O later in their careers. As an example I always see quite a few on earlier episodes of THE TWILIGHT ZONE. And in just three seasons of IT TAKES A THIEF there are so many I stopped trying to even keep track of them.

Added: Wednesday 03 April 2013 16:03:40 MST

Submitted by: Ray
From: Burbank

Just received Hawaii Five-0 Season 11. I watched the episode "Deadly Courier". I agree with Mike the episode is a dud, like most of the episodes after the 8th Season. I have to disagree with Mike about Yah Ling Sun being a babe. I knew I had seen her before. It finally came to me she was on the Rockford Files episode "New Life, Old Dragons". If you like her you can check out that episode.

Added: Wednesday 03 April 2013 14:39:22 MST

Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"Also, I have been amazed at all of HFO- alumni that appear in Harry-O. It seems everytime I watch an episode, there's someone there from Five-O."

That was pretty much the case with every other show in the 70s. THE STREETS OF SAN FRANCISCO is probably the best example. Not at en episode would go by that you wouldn't spot someone from FIVE-0 (or really any other show from that time). Fritz Weaver, Charles Cioffi, Harold Gould, Luther Adler, Meg Foster, Richard Anderson, Patty Duke, Vic Tayback, Leslie Nielsen, Clu Gulager, Michael Ansara, Linden Chiles, Robert Reed, Pernell Roberts, John Saxon, etc. The list is endless!!

Added: Wednesday 03 April 2013 14:35:35 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Thanks for the link, Mike. I didn't see that episode of "Hawaiian Eye," though I watched the show when ALTV had it in 2007. "Second Day of Infamy" didn't come up in the rotation. Why didn't they just get Yuki Shimoda for "To Hell With Babe Ruth"?

Thanks for the story from Richard Hatch. He spoke of this in an interview some time back. He said Jack treated him like a human being:

"Well, I remember I met Jack Lord at a premiere of one of his movies before I ever got in the business. It was when he was doing his short-lived series, Stoney Burke. He walked away from the crowd and sat down next to me. He was just trying to get away from everybody. He said hello, and I remember him being very gracious and very warm. At the time I didn’t know who he was until he introduced himself as the star of the movie. He was very down to earth, very real, and the interesting thing is that later on I did several episodes of Hawaii Five-O, and often when Jack directed an episode, he would bring me over. I never got to know him too well, but he was always friendly and supportive—really a gentleman—and I never forgot that because I was a young actor; terrified with it all being so new to me. The funny part is I heard such horrible stories about him from other people, and yet my experience with him was that he was an incredible human being."

As for the new show, I can't make out what Richard thinks of it, but maybe he hasn't seen it and thinks it's just like the old one, being a remake and all. I got the negative reaction to the new show from some people I met who worked on the old show. June Harding, an actress who was in an episode of Stoney Burke, told me, "It's just not the same."

Added: Wednesday 03 April 2013 12:17:04 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Jeff was at Wondercon recently and met both Richard Hatch and John Saxon (the latter from "The Bark and the Bite," which Saxon didn't remember much about). He spoke to Hatch and sent me this report:

I caught Richard Hatch at his table when there were not many people around, and I started talking to him about how I've enjoyed his work for the last 40 years. I think what gained his interest was that I barely talked to him about Battlestar Galactica (his signature show) and instead asked him about Streets of San Francisco (and how he enjoyed working and learning from Karl Malden), and then I brought up Hawaii Five-O.

He seemed genuinely surprised that I even remembered he appeared on the show, but he clearly had VERY fond memories of working on the series, even though he told me he appeared 4 times on the show (I didn't correct him, but I believe it was 3--seasons 5, 7 and 8). I told him how I enjoyed his villainous performances, and that my favorite show of his was "The Child Stealers" with Meg Foster, to which he replied "I can't believe you remember that, wow"--he was genuinely taken aback and thrilled that someone else remembered that. We chatted briefly about how the episode was still scary (and relevant) today, then I proceeded to ask him about how he liked working with Jack Lord. He got a big smile on his face and started telling how as a teenager, he happened to be on the set of "Stoney Burke" and he met Lord on the show during a break in the filming. He said Lord was VERY nice to him, and really seemed to take a liking to him. Years passed, and Hatch said he (or his agent) got a call from Jack Lord asking Hatch to come to Hawaii to play a guest role on the show (presumably the Season 5 show). He said Jack had remembered him all those years, and liked his performance in the show, so he asked him back on the other episodes in Season 7 and 8, when he was basically running the show at that point. He went on to mention that he had heard from others that Jack was difficult to deal with, but he said his own experiences with him were very positive and pleasant (probably because Hatch showed up to the set ready to work and on time).

So that was Hatch's JL story, pretty cool to hear from someone who had a positive personal connection with him. (BTW, I told Hatch I didn't care for the new show much, saying it was a human cartoon, and he seemed genuinely surprised that I didn't like it, asking me why--I'm wondering if he's been trying to appear on it). He also tipped me off that the old Galactica show is getting a blu-ray release in the near future, which hasn't been announced anywhere yet.

Added: Wednesday 03 April 2013 11:02:04 MST

Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Hey Rainbow,

I have certainly seen QUO VADIS and it is indeed a fantastic film. I've been listening to its score a lot lately - the "Ave Caesar March" is fantastic! Great film with a deliciously OTT performance by Peter Ustinov as Nero! The film actually achieved something of a rarity - 2 of its supporting actors were nominated for a Best Supporting Oscar - Ustinov and Leo Genn. Unfortunately neither one won.

THE TEN COMMANDMENTS, BEN-HUR, and QUO VADIS are my top 3 films of the 1950s. Gotta love those sword-and-sandals/Biblical epics! I guess NORTH BY NORTHWEST and BRIDGE ON THE RIVER KWAI would round out of my top 5 of the 50s. Of course there were other greats - THE ROBE and DEMETRIUS AND THE GLADIATORS. And then the start of the 60s gave us the magnificent SPARTACUS and EL CID! The latter has my other favorite Rozsa score. KING OF KINGS is another fine film with a great Rozsa score.

Mr. Mike,

Yes I do recall reading that bit about you meeting Rozsa. That's how I remembered you were a fan. Seeing BEN-HUR on the big screen (especially the chariot race) must have been mind-blowing. I listened to the commentary for the film and Heston and Boyd actually learned to ride the chariots. How awesomesauce is that??!! Of course for the sharp turns and the more dangerous stuff they relied on Yakima Canutt's expert stunt team and stunt doubles. Anyway yes Rozsa's score is simply mind-bending! Has to be in the top 10 (or top 5) film scores ever composed. Now I'm on a Rozsa binge. Everything from SAHARA and JUNGLE BOOK (the Sabu one) to IVANHOE and DOUBLE INDEMNITY. Awesomesauce composer!!

Added: Wednesday 03 April 2013 10:45:31 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

There are interesting parallels between To Hell With Babe Ruth and the third Hawaiian Eye show:


Big difference is ... the Hawaiian Eye show was actually good!

Added: Wednesday 03 April 2013 09:30:39 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Elaine, interesting facts. Just a note: "Anatomy of a Frame" aired on September 11, 1975, and "Man in a Steel Frame" aired on January 13, 1977, so it was filmed in 1976. Given your description, there's no doubt Stambler got the idea from that episode, but - in Hollywood custom - these things don't count as plagiarism when they change the names, genders, locations, and other details, even though they maintain the original framework. Studios were and still are taking other people's ideas and working them into scripts. They change enough details so there aren't as many similarities, as was the case here.

The Warner Brothers private eye shows of the fifties and sixties - 77 Sunset Strip, Hawaiian Eye, Surfside 6, etc. - borrowed ideas from one another all the time. However, since they were all part of one studio, things were kept "within the family," so to speak, so it wasn't an issue. However, some episodes of these shows and others of that time were based on episodes of radio shows and films. An episode of Hawaiian Eye was based on a 1951 episode of a radio show called "Charlie Wind," and another read just like Key Largo (also made by WB, so maybe it was alright to borrow the idea).

Since Stambler was a producer on Five-O 1 from 1971 - 72, I thought it was odd that they would be using a script from him four years later. I got the impression that, maybe this was some script that Stambler submitted during the time he was the producer, but because of Lenny Freeman's stance on not delving too much into McGarrett's personal life, he vetoed using that script then. By 1976, Lenny was dead and maybe Jack decided that they could use that script now.

The Harry-O episode shatters that theory.

Added: Wednesday 03 April 2013 09:00:47 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

20s? Do you mean 20°F? Pobrecita! The other day the temperature here in Vancouver (which is not exactly Scottsdale, AZ) was 20°C, which is 68°F...

Harry-O sounds cool, especially since there are only two seasons to deal with. Too bad that Warner Archive, where you can buy it, doesn't seem to have any slit-your-wrists sales on box sets, unlike they do with single DVDs (they just had a sale where the DVDs were $10 each if you bought multiples of four).

Added: Wednesday 03 April 2013 08:05:40 MST

Submitted by: Elaine
From: Watertown, MA, USA

Aloha, everyone. Been reading the recent posts and thought I'd add my two "sense". Speaking of Gerald O'Loughlin, did anyone notice that in Nine Kilos, when he was boarding the yacht in his overalls, the name of his company was mis-spelled? Instead of the Mauna Loa Refrigeration Co, his overalls said Muana Loa....just another of the continuity glitches that the original was well-known for.

Here's another interesting point. I have been watching season 2 of Harry-O and the first episode is entitled "Anatomy of a Frame". Guess what? It would appear that Robert Stambler (who wrote Man in a Steel Frame) did a little plagerizing. The premise of Anatomy of a Frame is that Lt. Trench is framed for the murder of a drug informant. Trench plays racketball at the police athletic club, where his gun is switched out. He answers a telephone call from his drug snitch, goes to her house to find her murdered. He tries to phone the police from her phone, which doesn't work, and then is slugged from behind. The murderer then fixes the phone, swaps out the gun and leaves. Trench wakes up with a big headache, goes to a payphone to report the incident and is surprised to find that someone else already reported the murder. Trench is subsequently accused, and relieved of his duties and it's up to Harry to clear him. The similarities between this episode and Man in a Steel Frame as to how the frame was set up are really obvious, so Stambler must have lifted the idea from Harry-O's writers since Harry-O aired in 1976 and Steel Frame aired in January 1977.

Also, I have been amazed at all of HFO- alumni that appear in Harry-O. It seems everytime I watch an episode, there's someone there from Five-O. James Hong, Linden Childs, Henry Darrow, Anthony Zerbe, Barry Sullivan, the list is endless. It's good to see so many familiar faces!

The winds are howling here and the wind chill is in the 20's on this 3rd day of April. So please, everyone, think Spring! We're so tired of winter here in the Northeast, although the spring skiing is terrific!


Added: Wednesday 03 April 2013 07:56:06 MST

Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: "Row well, and live."

The most recent DVD/Blu-Ray version of Ben-Hur is the most awesomesauce, that is for shure. I got the BluRay deluxe box set (which has all sorts of extra goodies) a couple of years ago for either Black Friday or post-Christmas at a ridiculously low price. The sound on this, especially for Rozsa's score, is brain-frying.

I first saw Ben-Hur when I was about 10 years old. This was an overwhelming experience which sort of kick-started my interest in soundtrack music. It was shown at the Stanley Theater in Vancouver which was the premier venue for presentation of "big movies" for many years (still exists, now as a theater which puts on plays).

There is this scene at the beginning of the film where a kid climbs up a ladder to view the Roman troops. The quality of the image was so sharp, you actually felt like you were climbing up the ladder with the kid. What was weird, when I saw this movie in Seattle many years later (also shown in 70mm), I had exactly the same feeling during this scene.

Anyway, I have an interest in Rozsa's music as been mentioned. (I actually hung out with him for a few days in Toronto in 1977.) You can go here to check it out


Added: Wednesday 03 April 2013 07:49:07 MST

Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY


I completely agree with your comments, as the same thing just happened to me. I just bought the special remastered 50th anniversary edition of "Ben-Hur" on DVD, so I'm right with you on the score. Also, though, leading into Easter, I started off with "Ben-Hur", then went and watched "Quo Vadis", which had the same music composer eight years before "Ben-Hur!" If you have never seen "Quo Vadis", you have to, it's a magnificent movie, and the first of the sword and sandal movies of the era. In fact, if not for the success of "Quo Vadis", there would have been no Ben Hur!..I'm now finishing my Roman trilogy with "Spartacus"!

This morning, you should go to Google or Bing and look up the article "Hawaii is a spot for sun, surf....and spies." from the Associated Press. It shows that all those great Wo Fat and espionage stories from the old Five-O were grounded in some fact and were not totally the work of fiction. I think you should post it and let everyone be able to read it.

I hope you had a happy Easter Ringfire!

Added: Wednesday 03 April 2013 06:59:17 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Now, it's my mistake. The building in question has an address of 250 South Hotel Street, which places it at the corner of South Hotel Street and Richards Street, extending back to South Beretania Street. Thus, when we see the state capitol, we are seeing the west side, not the east side, as I had thought. It is a very large building in the shape of a U with an open courtyard between the legs of the U. There is a swimming pool in the courtyard. If you go to Google maps, key in the address, and pull it in close, you can see a three-dimensional likeness of the building.

Yes, as Rick said, in its earlier life, it was the YMCA Building. The YWCA Building is a half-block down Richards Street, across from 'Iolani Palace. It is where Dylan Heyward rented an office in his attempt to assassinate McGarrett in "'V' for Vashon" part 2.

Added: Tuesday 02 April 2013 22:59:01 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Yes, the second shot (no pun intended) shows the apartment in question. It also shows the state capitol building across Punchbowl Street.

I made a mistake about the building on Richards Street. It is, as you said, the YWCA building (not YMCA).

Again, many thanks, Rick. That is such a gorgeous building. I'm glad to know what it is and that it still stands.

Added: Tuesday 02 April 2013 09:00:34 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

That's it, Rick! You found it! And it's still there! Built in 1928; now, the art museum. Isn't it gorgeous! I'm so glad they didn't raze it. Yippee!!! Thanks a gazillion, Rick.

Added: Tuesday 02 April 2013 08:47:13 MST

Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

Here's a better shot… bit.ly/10m3v3e

Bottom floor three portal entrance shown in the opening scenes... top floor open air corridor where Danno holds extended mirror towards corner apt... above rotunda, top right.

Added: Tuesday 02 April 2013 08:42:09 MST

Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

My bad... going from memory last night.

Try this: yhoo.it/YQiIdo

Added: Tuesday 02 April 2013 07:47:27 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

No, Rick. This is a much more ornate building, very classical in appearance, also white, not yellow, as the old YMCA building is. The YMCA building is on the west side of the palace and state capitol, while this building was on the east side.

Added: Tuesday 02 April 2013 04:36:14 MST

Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

Virginia, was that not the YWCA on Richards St?

Added: Monday 01 April 2013 22:10:31 MST

Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Please let me know if I asked this question the last time I watched "The Hostage," but can someone tell me about the building known as the Albemarle Apartments in the episode? It appears to have been sited across Punchbowl Street from the state capitol building. It does not appear to be there, now. No doubt, between its architectural interest and its inclusion on the show, it held special significance. I'd like to know what it was.

Added: Monday 01 April 2013 18:54:33 MST

Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Here's a lovely video tribute to Jack my friend Fiona made:


Added: Monday 01 April 2013 17:28:50 MST

Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Happy Easter everyone!!

A bit off-topic but at least it's Easter related... I watched BEN-HUR this past week and I have to say that Miklos Rozsa's score has to be one of the finest compositions for film ever!! Anyone else think so? I believe Mr. Mike is a big fan of Mr. Rozsa. It's right up there with some of the best film music ever - Bernard Herrmann's work on PSYCHO, Ennio Morricone's work on the Sergio Leone Spaghetti Westerns, John Barry, John Williams, Jerry Goldsmith's works!

Brilliant music!! It's been stuck in my head the whole week. I could listen to that Overture on an infinite loop and never tire of it.

Added: Monday 01 April 2013 09:54:19 MST

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