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In July of 1974, when the original show was in the middle of its seventh season, Jack Lord was making $30,000 per episode. In today's money, that's $148,623.28. That's an estimated $148,620 per episode in today's money. It's less than what Daniel and Grace were making before CBS made that offer they rejected - and Jack was the star, co-executive producer, and co-owner of the show. Jack was worth more than that, but he never complained about his salary or ever asked for money, unlike other actors at CBS at that time.

Grace does far less on the new show than Daniel and the others, and her contributions are chicken scratch compared to what Jack did for the original, yet she makes more per episode than he did. That only tells you how unrealistic actors' salaries are now.


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Re: the LA Times statement, "Decades of racist caricatures -- think Mickey Rooney playing the buck-toothed Mr. Yunioshi in "Breakfast at Tiffany's" -- have given way to an industry that is more inclusive, but where leading roles remain scarce." - - In most cases, for a member of such a group to have a starring role, he/she must create a production with a script that calls for a member of the group to have a starring role. Needless to say, as difficult as it is to have a production aired, this doesn't happen very often. An example is Jane Fonda and Lily Tomlin going in together as senior citizens to create and produce "Grace and Frankie." They probably saw the same thing Asians see: Hollywood isn't very interested in producing television or movies about their demographic.

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Los Angeles Times weighs in on the DDK/GP departure:

http://www.latimes.com/business/hollywood/la-fi-ct-hawaii-five-0-asian-actors-20170708-story.html


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How I yearn for the simpler times when no one was complaining about inequality and folks were just happy to be working. Did Kam Fong or Zulu or Al Harrington complain about racial inequality or that they weren't getting paid the same as Jack Lord? Or even JMac? No, they knew they were second bananas on the show and that was that. Was Michael Douglas getting paid the same as Karl Malden? Of course not, and he wasn't even a "second banana" (despite being in the Supporting Actor category at Emmy awards time).

Things sure were simpler.


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My TV industry pal e-mailed me as follows. This was received yesterday, but there is kind of a "reverse echo" with some of the things which Todd says below in his message which I got this morning...

Seven year contracts is pretty standard as these things go. The way it works is, every actor on a new show signs for 5 years on day one.

If the show is a success, there's an unwritten rule the studio or network or whoever renews the contract for a further 5 years at much bigger money at the end of year 2. That's why on a lot of shows -- Friends, Seinfeld etc. -- the contract extension at the end of year 7 can be a real bitch to settle.

I'm sure everyone is lying, at least in part. I find it hard to believe DDK would blow up a cushy paycheque over $5,000. I also find it unlikely that CBS would offer a supporting player anything near in the neighborhood of $195,000 if O'Loughlin and Caan are getting $200,000. Kim may be a better actor/character, etc., but that's not how these things work. The lead, deserved or not, always gets special treatment. That's the business. As for profit points, that would be to O'Loughlin's agent's credit; he was a rising star at the time and Moonves wanted badly to get him his own show (that's why he was allowed to star in a couple of CBS flops before Five-O hit). Caan was obviously grandfathered in on his surname and family connections.

It makes total sense to me that Park's issue was more about her wanting to do fewer episodes, though I'm a little surprised by the ballsy demand that it be "less than half the episodes," though again that may just be empty rumor or blatantly untrue. If I were her, the way I would've looked at it is to keep working in Hawaii and take whatever money CBS was willing to throw at her, because I doubt those offers will be there 5 years from now. And if she's already made enough money from Five-0 she should just go, and not be half-in and half-out. I think she's a lot less radical about the whole Asian/equality casting thing than DDK, though I'm sure it's on her mind from time to time.

By the way, you're probably aware, but this very same issue came up on The X-Files around year 3 or 4. Gillian Anderson wanted pay equity with Duchovny (the gap was substantial in years 1 and 2, because Duchovny was a much bigger name when the show was first cast).

What made that crisis particularly edgy was that Duchovny was offended that Anderson wanted parity, because he felt he had paid his dues prior to the show being made, whereas she hadn't, really. Anderson was annoyed that Duchovny was annoyed and felt it was none of his business what she made on the show and what business was it of his, etc., etc., even though by demanding pay equity, she was kind of making his salary her business (the fans agreed with her, for most part, and sided with her).

The way that got resolved in the end was that she agreed to do the (first) movie for big money (the Fox studio badly wanted a movie, and couldn't very well do it without Scully), and she got pay equity by around year 4 or 5.

Duchovny kind of won out in the end, though, because, as you may recall, after the show moved to LA in year 6, he kind of took a "semi-retirement" in years 8 and 9 by only appearing in a couple of episodes both those seasons.

By the way, one last thing on Grace Park: all actors, even leads, get paid by the episode, not the season. So if Grace Park did only 10 episodes, for example, she'd only get paid for 10. Whether she would be making Alex O'Loughlin money for those 10 or Masi Oka money would be what was being negotiated. Of course, for all we know, maybe Lenkov was tired of writing for her character. Or, conversely, maybe he wanted to expand her character, have her be key in every episode. I know what I would've done. It's Hawaii! I would've showed off her bod at every opportunity, sexist pig that I am. Never going to see R-rated stuff on CBS, though, let alone X-rated.

A lot of those comments about this whole issue of DDK and GP leaving are really imbecilic, by the way, as they always are. One that jumped out at me, though, is how you can have a show set in Hawaii and have the ensemble be all-white. Then again, there's nothing preventing Lenkov -- other than his own limited imagination -- from creating 2 or 3 more Asian/Hawaiian characters, and then hiring relatively unknown Asian actors -- for, ahem, peanuts -- to play them. I could see fans getting tired in a hurry of a straight O'Loughlin-Caan comedy hour. DDK and Grace Park clearly added a lot of "color" to the show.


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I'm starting to wonder if DDK and GP were already pretty much checked out of Five-0 in the first place, and already planning to leave. Perhaps they felt the show was going to end after Season 8 anyway, and they saw it was time to bail out and do other things. (I believe this is why James MacArthur left after Season 11 of the original.)

So why this whole racial inequality bit?

I'm guessing that they decided it was worth staying if their pay was elevated to that of O'Loughlin and Caan, but otherwise not. So they demanded it, CBS decided to give them a huge pay hike, but stopped a little short of equaling the pay of Alex and Scott.

Interestingly, an article in Variety said that they were offered $195,000 per episode instead of the $200,000 for Alex and Scott. Clearly the $5k per episode was peanuts compared to the overall budget of the show, so stopping short was clearly just to leave Alex and Scott with the feeling that they're still the highest paid.

Here's the Variety article: http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/hawaii-5-0-daniel-dae-kim-grace-park-deals-1202488221/

DDK and GP were likely bitter that CBS was stopping short so close to the goal post, and left with some bitterness. They probably did spin themselves up into believing that it was a racial thing -- that they were still paid slightly less just to give the white stars the feeling they were superior.

Thus, neither DDK nor GP has corrected the media claims that it was a racial thing, which is very telling. Their silence on that matter speaks volumes.

Here is another interesting article: https://nextshark.com/hawaii-five-0-creator-just-threw-daniel-dae-kim-grace-park-bus/

There has to be more to this situation than meets the eye.

I've never seen it where supporting characters are offered 97.5% the pay of main characters, and I've especially never seen it where those supporting characters REJECT that unprecedented offer, claiming it's not enough.

That's simply not how TV contracts have ever worked.

I'm sure the full story will leak out eventually.


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The SOSF discussions from the phpBB forum have all been archived now here:

http://www.fiveohomepage.com/phpBB-archived/OtherShows/


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Hey John, welcome back. Thought you had disappeared after the forum change. I miss the old setup but it is what it is. This works too. Mike even has a link up top for "Other Shows" where we can continue our SOSF discussions. On that page there's an Archive link too for all the SOSF talk we did so that's not lost. He has all his SOSF reviews that he did here http://thestreetsofsanfrancisco.info

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"It was a pleasure watching Masi Oka breathing life into this character in each episode."
:D Right, by doing his "rain man" schtick again and again?? Puhleese, the dude is a geeky coroner. Why does everybody need some stupid character arc these days?? It's so dumb! I bet the janitor who empties the Five-0 office's waste baskets every night has a character arc too, doesn't he?

But I do agree with that poster on the DDK situation. That's an ass thing to do on DDK's part - to make this into a race equality issue now that he's gone, when he never even once let out a peep about this during the last 7 seasons. If you want to go because of other projects on your horizon that's fine. If you want to make a plug for your new project while you're explaining your leaving the show that's fine too. But don't go pulling some race card for no reason at all. That's a vile thing to do!


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An interesting comment:

http://h50europe.tumblr.com/post/162681695763/you-know-the-feeling-where-there-is-this-mental

You know the feeling where there is this mental itch and you can't help but have to scratch it? Once more, we are speaking up and share our thoughts on the latest developments concerning the departures of DDK and Grace Park. Don't worry this is not going to be the never-ending story. For us, it means coming to a closure with it.

Remember last year when a great guy left our beloved show? Masi Oka took us all by surprise when he opened up about his departure from the show. "I just thought the character went through a major journey," he told EW. "Character-wise, I felt like Max had done too much of everything he can do." Masi had nothing more to add to it, and the plot had come full circle. With teary eyes, we saw him depart in episode 7.13. It was a proper wake for a guy so humble and endearing. His character, coroner Max Bergman, often made us smile with his quirky sense of humor. It was a pleasure watching Masi Oka breathing life into this character in each episode. When he left, it happened quietly. He didn't brag about his production company or the upcoming projects he already had in the pipeline. For me, Masi left like footprints in the sand being washed away by the sea. He was truly a class act. We still miss you, Masi.

And then, there were the departures of Grace Park (Kono Kalakaua) and Daniel Dae Kim (Chin Ho Kelly). These departures caused an outcry in an already troubled fandom and shocked most of us to the core. According to VARIETY, CBS offered "large and significant salary increases" to keep Daniel Dae Kim and Grace Park in the cast of Hawaii Five-0 after Kim had said via Facebook that he was unable to come to a deal with CBS to return to the long-running series.

BUMMER!

This was not the icing on the cake. It came later when all of a sudden the race card was thrown into this game. We stood there gaping because we weren't aware of all the fly-by-night fans that suddenly jumped on this bandwagon and blew this matter way out of proportion.

As for the past few months, DDK has grabbed a lot of attention for being the role model to fight for equality of Asian-Americans in Hollywood. He got awards and prizes for it. In the meantime, Kim was also revving up his activity as a producer. His 3AD banner (production company) landed a new medical drama series on ABC for the coming season, The Good Doctor, starring Freddie Highmore.

Congrats! DDK is a helluva business man. I could adore him for the promotion stunt he pulled with this kind of action. Never before in his entire career has this guy gotten this much attention. If that wasn't well-calculated, why else hadn't he spoken up earlier about this matter? Over the past seven years, we've never heard him talking about feeling discriminated against or being underpaid.

I feel so sorry for the man that he bottled up his frustration and swallowed his pride to work on a show that has shown more diversity than any other I know. He must have been struggling to go to work and see his "white co-stars" working their asses off for this show on a daily basis.

Some people are predictable; some still surprise me. He's one of the latter. While he praises the cast and crew in his statement on FB, his fans are (suddenly) bashing the remaining cast to the utmost.

And that is the reason, I said earlier, that I could adore him. The whole scenario as it is being presented to us looks orchestrated in a way. After one of the most successful seasons of the show, he and Grace Park are throwing in the towel. We don't know anything about Grace's motivation, so we are not starting to throw around rumors.

IMHO, DDK killed it and poured gasoline onto the already spreading wildfire with the last paragraph of his FB statement.

"I'll end by saying that though transitions can be difficult, I encourage us all to look beyond the disappointment of this moment to the bigger picture. The path to equality is rarely easy (this must've felt like a blow to the gut for the remaining cast and crew). But I hope you can be excited for the future. I am. 5-0 continues on after one of its strongest seasons (like we didn't know that already. To me, this sounds more pathetic and like a mockery)."

Then, he slipped back into the part of the shrewd business man he is by promoting himself:

"I've got new acting projects on the horizon, and as a producer, my company, 3AD, has its first show, THE GOOD DOCTOR, set to air this fall on ABC. I hope you'll tune in. There's a lot to look forward to, and I'll be sure to share it with you."

We wish him (and also Grace) the best of luck for the future. We are sorry he had to endure all the discrimination over the past seven years and never LOST a word about it.

We apologize for throwing up in our mouths a little - when we were reading all the hatred messages produced by a bunch of spineless keyboard warriors who feel nothing but safe behind their screens as well as the "anonymity of the www." These days, it's easy to spread hatred and bully people you don't even know. Who are you to judge someone by his appearance or behavior? You are no better than the people you judge. Ever heard of reverse discrimination? What comes around goes around.

We also apologize that you had to deal with the entire verbal diarrhea. If you came that far, thank you for taking your time to read. However, please spare us your unqualified hatred messages. We know them by heart. They are getting old.

To everyone who feels compelled to stop watching the show: Goodbye! No need to tell this to your handful of followers; you won't be missed, and they probably won't even know what you're talking about because they don't give a damn about your feelings, anyway.

To those of us who survived this circus and still stand with the show and the remaining cast: CONGRATS. Well done, ladies and gentleman. You'll earn another action-packed season and some changes in the cast that will open up new possibilities and interesting plots. Looking more than forward to it!


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Ringfire, I love your idea, especially to have a plus-sized woman named Truck. Why are all the women on this show skinny-skinny? That doesn't reflect real life. Yet it's okay to have Jerry and Kamekona. And Jerry has a badge? He'd never pass the HPD PT test, if they have such a test.

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HFO Regulars And Fans.

Best way to end HFO would have Abby and Chin go on a bird watching tour and take pictures of an old sugar mill. There would be a secret criminal mastermind involved who wants everybody in the tour killed. Their cameras and film destroyed. This criminal mastermind Helix would suspend Abby and Chin over an active volcano and have a battle to the death with McG.


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I think it would be hilarious if they pulled the "old Five-O" stunt regarding the departure of Chin and Kono. Meaning not a single mention of what happened to them. Season 8 begins with a new character named Ben and another new character named Truck (a super-sized woman of course). No mention of where these 2 new characters came from. Boom, they're just there. Kono who? Chin who? :D

Of course this won't happen in this day and age since every character's motivation and personal life needs to scrutinized under the microscope in excruciating detail. It's prime-time soap is what it is.


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Would anyone know where a guy could get some large size, high-resolution digital photos of Steve McGarrett/Jack Lord? Just picking images off the Internet are way too small of files for what I'm looking to do, which is create a life-like size Fathead wall poster. Respond here if you know of anything out there. Thanks - Jay

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I wonder how they will resolve the plot threads with Chin and Kono...

For example, Chin and Abby will be gone to San Francisco at the beginning of the show, not necessarily with Chin having made up his mind yet about the job of starting a Five-Zero-like task force there which was offered to him in the last episode of last season. Then McG gets a phone call saying that Abby and/or someone in the SFPD (or is it the FBI?) really convinced him to stay there so he is going "to give it a shot" (no pun intended).

As far as Kono is concerned, she will go to Carson City but she will be murdered by the local sex trafficking gangsters (this could probably be done with a body double in a brief scene). Either McG will go to Carson City to claim her body or she will be returned home, there will be the usual police funeral, McG will look sad, etc.


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Lenkov has more to say:

https://twitter.com/PLenkov/status/883051023299788800/photo/1


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Various news about the DDK/GP departure. You may have to copy and paste these URLs into the browser...

Original Variety story (may have been revised):
http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/daniel-dae-kim-grace-park-hawaii-five-0-1202484329/

Update to Variety story:
http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/hawaii-5-0-daniel-dae-kim-grace-park-deals-1202488221/

Five-Zero blogger reaction (may not work from computer, only from phone):
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1075507175937444&set=a.110684929086345.18882.100004345150715&type=3
(and more recent reaction)
https://www.facebook.com/Five0Redux/posts/1653194848027069


Lenkov's initial comments to fan reaction on Twitter (he's not going to get rich if he's paid by the word):
https://twitter.com/PLenkov/status/882042365497692160
https://twitter.com/PLenkov/status/882042231703523328
https://twitter.com/PLenkov/status/882037503716335616

More recent comments from Lenkov:
https://twitter.com/PLenkov/status/882954419314106368
https://twitter.com/PLenkov/status/882950148355051520

More reaction to departure on Facebook (from FOX!!):
https://www.facebook.com/JulieChangFox11/videos/vb.124663961040898/805250156315605/?type=2&theater#


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"Did Goober and Gomer get paid as much as Andy and Barney?"
SHAZAAAM!!


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You're so right Mr. Mike. After all, AOL is an Australian playing an American. Go figure.

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I saw a comment on the innerwebs that pretty much sums it up. My apologies if it's already been posted here somewhere below...

"Did Goober and Gomer get paid as much as Andy and Barney?"


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Someone who I know who is in the TV industry sent me the following:

"In the past -- and there's no reason to think it's changed now -- Les Moonves [Chairman of the Board, President, and Chief Executive Officer of CBS Corporation] has had 100% control over casting decisions and, by association, contract extensions. It sounds way below his pay grade (and it is) but it's well known that he's always been obsessed with casting on his shows, and it's one thing he stayed close to, even as he has moved up the corporate ladder. This [business with DDK and GP not returning] sounds totally like Les Moonves. Dae Kim and Grace Park clearly held out for what they thought they were worth, and Moonves, not Lenkov or Kurtzman, disagreed."

I had to cut out a lot of what this guy told me, but there is info on the public record which related to what he was talking about. Go and do a Google search for

"george eads" moonves

with the quote marks. These articles relate to George Eads on CSI asking for more money and getting fired in 2004.

Ironically, Eads is now second banana on Lenkov's reboot of MacGyver, a CBS product.


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sandee204 on Instagram reportedly sent DDK (who is also on this site) the following message:

I really hope the best for you and Grace in your new opportunities. However, I really wish you had addressed the way this situation has been made into a racial issue. This is a business issue. It has nothing to do with you being Asian American, and I think you and Grace should step forward and say so. I'm seeing headlines like "Asian Actors Let Go from Hawaii 5-0 While White Actors Earn More." That's ridiculous. This was a contractual issue between you, your agents, and the network. You and Grace were supporting characters on the show. You've been in the business long enough to understand that! When you did "The King and I," did the actress playing Tuptim earn as much as you? No--you were the star of the show. How is this any different? I think you owe it to the producers, cast, crew, and fans of Hawaii 5-0 to help stop these untrue negative headlines. That show employs more Asian actors and crew members than any other show on TV, I'm sure. It's just wrong to let your legacy be tarnished by these false racism claims.


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I read DDK's fb post and what caught my eye was the last paragraph where he says we should look ahead past the disappointment of the present and that "the path to equality is rarely easy". So apparently "equality" (or lack of) is the cause of his departure? Is this monetary equality? Racial equality? Like maybe he wants higher billing or more screen time?

Of course I always roll my eyes whenever I hear that word "equality" these days. It's so overplayed. Everyone and their dog demands equality these days. I feel like a woman today so I'm going into the ladies bathroom today. I demand equality!!! The word doesn't even mean anything anymore. As far as the pay issue goes Todd already pointed out very effectively how your billing affects how much you get paid. It's clear as rain. Equality doesn't apply here. Every work place has "inequality" when it comes to our paychecks. It's by design. As it should be. There is no social injustice to battle there. It's life so get over it, DDK (if that's his issue of course).


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"And then there is DDK, who is Korean, playing a character in the show who is Chinese and GP, also Korean, playing someone who is supposedly "Hawaiian"!"

In the original show, Chin Ho Kelly and Kono Kalakaua were not cousins as they are in the reboot. Chin was Chinese/Irish and Kono was native Hawaiian (perhaps remotely descended from royalty?). Both Kam Fong and Zulu had the appearance of the heritage of the characters they played.

Since the new Chin and Kono are cousins, perhaps they wanted the actors to appear more like they shared the same heritage, so both Korean? Who knows?


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In a posting on his Facebook page early this morning, DDK had this to say (the full posting is much longer):

I will not be returning to Hawaii Five-0 when production starts next week. Though I made myself available to come back, CBS and I weren't able to agree to terms on a new contract, so I made the difficult choice not to continue.

This is very diplomatic, as you would expect from DDK, but you will notice that the word "money" is not mentioned anywhere. There are lots of reasons that issues with a contract could cause someone to be upset. For example, maybe they wanted him to participate less, working only a couple of episodes in the next season, maybe they wanted him to work more, like the contract was for another 20 years or something! So DDK has not completely quashed rumors with his statement.

Quite a few people are dragging racism into the controversy, but this is nothing new. There have been issues about racism ever since the show started in terms of the choice of actors and the fact that like the original show, the two leads are both white.

But bringing racism into the show opens up a whole other can of worms. For example:

- How do you define what a "Hawaiian" is if you are going to complain about Hawaiian people not being properly represented on the show? Should people have to take DNA tests to get a job on a show like this?

- is it OK for someone who is from a certain Asian ethnic group to play a part which is someone from a different Asian ethnic group? A classic example of this was in the film Memoirs of a Geisha, where a Chinese actress played the lead, who was obviously Japanese. Lots of Japanese people made a big stink about this. And then there is DDK, who is Korean, playing a character in the show who is Chinese and GP, also Korean, playing someone who is supposedly "Hawaiian" in some way, based on her last name (though the two are cousins)! To me this is verging on the racist concept, usually espoused by white people, that "they all look the same." The fact that Asian actors can get roles at all these days seems to override the fact that, with their participation, those roles may not be particularly "authentic," the case of one of them taking a "Hawaiian" part in itself being kind of "racist" or maybe I should say "ethnic groupist." This kind of thinking can get ridiculous, though. For example, if a white guy wants to play a white guy of a different ethnic group, for example, should an Irish actor play a German, a French actor play someone from Poland, etc.?


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Disappointed that you killed the forum. I believe the issues could have been resolved.

Anyway, regarding Daniel Dae Kim and Grace Park departing Five-Zero, I think that's going to put the nail in the show's coffin. It's possible that season 8 was going to be the last one anyway. However, this really smacks of "More than one series regular leaves a long-running show, and it tries to reinvent itself", which rarely ends well.

I reject the idea that DDK and GP "deserve" equal pay. The term "equal pay" has been thrown around a lot in recent times, and on its face, appears to be a noble concept.

However, it is wholly unrealistic.

No two employees of any business have identical value. Employee pay should be a matter between the employee and employer, and no one automatically "deserves" the amount someone else is getting paid.

DDK and GP are not being paid less because they're Asian. They are being paid less because they are third-tier stars of the show.

Alex O'Loughlin is the main star of the show, and Scott Caan is one level below him. Daniel Dae Kim and Grace Park are the next level down, followed by the rest of the main credited cast (Chi McBride, Jorge Garcia, etc), followed by the recurring guest stars (Kamekona, etc).

Without knowing the pay structures of the show, traditionally the main star of the show gets the highest pay, and it goes downward from there, in the manner described above.

It is very rare that a star will take a pay cut so others can be paid more. This is because the star feels that the production/network can much more afford to pay the co-stars what they want, and feel that such a pay cut is unnecessary (which is usually true).

When a pay cut does occur, it almost never brings everyone to parity

A good example was the pay cut recently taken by the five main "Big Bang Theory" stars -- Jim Parsons, Johnny Galecki, Kaley Cuoco, Kunal Nayyar and Simon Helberg. They were all receiving $1 million per episode, while co-stars Melissa Rauch and Mayim Bialik (both of whom joined the series later) were receiving $200,000 per episode.

The five main stars agreed to each take a $100,000 per episode cut, with the agreement that the money would be transferred to Rauch and Bialik. However, that still left the five main stars making $900,000 per episode, and Rauch/Bialik making $450,000 per episode -- half of what they others were making!

So how come Rauch and Bialik were okay making half of what the other five were making (even after the redistribution of salary), and DDK/GP were so unhappy being paid just 10-15% less than Caan and O'Loughlin?

I am actually surprised that DDK and GP were making that close to the salary of the other two, to be honest.

With that said, I think fans are going to be very unhappy about this, and might start tuning out. THis will especially become likely if Scott Caan keeps missing a lot of episodes as he has lately, which would leave O'Loughlin as the only "original" people could count on seeing each week.

I am guessing they will attempt to replace DDK and GP with younger actors -- one male, one female. The cast of Five-Zero is now entirely over 40, and they might want to inject some youth into the show.


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The level of outrage over DDK and GP leaving the show has increased somewhat in the last few days.

Here are some tweets about this, forwarded to me by a friend:

https://twitter.com/DragonWench1/status/881424988116590593
https://twitter.com/ProfessorDare/status/881217029612744709
https://twitter.com/Brownie63113/status/881196674210770944
https://twitter.com/oforrestjr/status/881750617424764928
https://twitter.com/cparkeast1/status/880912360176836608

Some people think that Alex O and Scott are being mean because they won't take a salary cut so the other two can have the same pay as them. Seriously, anyone complaining about this must be a total idiot. Anyway, isn't that like ... "communism"? ;)

It is hard to figure out who has to be to "blamed" for this mess, though it is not reasonable to consider that DDK or GP are the "bad guys." DDK is especially a nice fellow, and even though many people are saying "Well, I really am not too sad to see GP go," she is not a bad person either.

The big question is, when did CBS know that DDK and GP were not coming back? A blogger is suggesting that the issue was not money as reported in Variety. I find it hard to believe that there was no mention of money anywhere, since the duo's contracts were reportedly for 7 years, and 7 years are up. I'm sure CBS could have bankrolled at least one more year on the show for both of them. If CBS knew they weren't coming back weeks or months ago, then why didn't the show just wrap up instead of taking us on yet another tangent with new characters, new plot lines and other stupidity?

Of course, the direction of the show has been seriously screwed up for a very long time, with the writers' approach seeming to be either "throw enough crap on the wall and some of it will stick" or "we're just making this up as we go along," despite Lenkov saying words to the effect that they know what the "big picture" of the show will be, i.e, where the plot will lead, how it will all end, etc., etc.

No doubt people connected with the show's production will try and put on a good face and continue the "ohana" vibes for next season, but I think the departure of these two has put a big dent in the show's morale. Will there be a screening of the premiere for the 8th season on the beach in September as has happened in previous years? I don't think so! I can just see Lenkov up on stage smiling, saying that everything is swell, but people in the audience will probably be screaming at him!

I sure wouldn't like to be any new actors that are coming on to replace DDK and GP (dunno about DDK, there was a casting call for GP's replacement already). It will be like when Michael Douglas left Streets of San Francisco because he got opportunities to be a producer and so forth and Richard Hatch took over his job. Hatch said that he was really freaking out when this happened, because there were big shoes to fill.

By the way, I can't believe some people are actually using the word "grieving" when discussing DDK and GP's departure. Hello, "grieving" is used if a crackpot runs over and kills someone you know or are related to with a truck! Sheesh.


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Michael Timothy sends along a couple of "believe it or not" photos: #1 and #2.

Maybe they should amalgamate with the Kojak and Streets of San Francisco driving schools, where you can learn to:

- never parallel park!
- drive up to a crime scene at full speed, brake and never hit anybody or anything!
- burn rubber every time you start driving!
- double park on a street without penalty whenever necessary!


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Thanks Mike! :) I also don't see our SOSF discussions or any of your previous episode reviews. Just "Flags of Terror". I believe I saw all your episode reviews somewhere archived yesterday but I guess you haven't added a link to them yet.

Again, no pressure...


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OK, Season 7 vs. Season 8 discussion is here:

http://www.fiveohomepage.com/phpBB-archived/


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Yeah, yeah, whatever. :!devil:

If you want me to archive certain things posted in the new forum (phpBB) for the last year or so, I am open to suggestions other than the one you have just mentioned.

It will be posted in the "Archives" section, not here. But note that all of the previous stuff in the archives is not accessible at the moment because of technical issues which are going to take a >long< time to fix.

You should notice a link at the top of this page for discussing "other" TV shows. If you don't see that, then refresh the cache in your browser or phone (this might take a few attempts before it shows up correctly).

By the way, I would really appreciate it if people would stop accessing this site through the http://www.mjq.net/fiveo link and instead use http://www.fiveohomepage.com. Please delete any references to the first of these in your bookmarks or favorites and then create new links.

Thanks!


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Hey John, hopefully we can continue our Five-O seasons 7 vs 8 showdown. Hopefully Mr. Mike has archived that thread and can restore it here somewhere.

No pressure, Mr. Mike ;)


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Mr. Mike and HFO Fans
Hope you have a good Fourth Of July holiday. [In Canada our national holiday is July 1st... - MQ] It reminded me that HFO had some birthday episodes like Blind Tiger and a few King Kamehamehea days that were unfortunately tough days for McG & HFO team.


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New format looks great. Congratulations on the 150th Anniversary of Canada!

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Welcome back old format. I didn't post much in the new format, but that was mostly due to time/work constraints. The new format was great for discussing other topics.

DDK & GP are a surprise exit for me, the financial aspects of the move aside. GP not so much. DDK was the glue that kept the show together in my opinion. At least, the show already set up their exits. Kono is off to the mainland in her quest to rescue the underage aged sex slaves and Chin is off to set up a 5-O style tactical team in San Francisco.


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Predictably, there is a flap about Daniel Dae Kim and Grace Park not returning to the show, though on Twitter, there is not as much outrage as I would have expected, at least on the main level. If you find postings about this via the hashtag #H50 and then look at Tweets which have this hashtag, you will find a lot of responses to those posts where people are venting their feelings. But the level of concern doesn't seem to have reached that where fans will start letter-writing campaigns and so forth, such as happened with numerous TV shows in the past, from the original Star Trek to the present day.

I suspect that both of these actors, who are in their 40s, were tired of doing the show. DDK has projects of his own to deal connected with his production company and GP probably wants to spend more time with her family. It is not unreasonable to assume that they both received a nice settlement as part of their "severance."

As far as the two actors not returning to the show at all next season (as has been reported), it is quite possible at the end of last season that they filmed some material designed to deal with whatever reason they are not returning, though I dunno if the actors would have been happy with this, because then they could really see that the "handwriting is on the wall"!!

If they don't come up with a good reason for their "disappearance," that is going to leave a lot of people with a very bad taste in their mouth, highly reminiscent of the original Five-O, where three major characters with varying degrees of "belovedness" -- Kono (Zulu), Ben (Al Harrington) and Danno (James MacArthur) -- just disappeared from the show with no explanation whatsoever.


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Hmmm well I guess I've gotten used to the new format. It was easier to discuss different topics that way. We had a lively SOSF discussion going on. So I'm sad to see it go away. This old format will definitely limit those kinds of discussions. But oh well, it's Mike's call. He's the boss. Whatever works best for him.

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Always liked this format better. Easy to scroll through new posts on one page.

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I'm happy to see the return of the original style forum. Happy Canada Day!

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I never bothered with the new format anyway.

Anyway the show has just hit the decline mark, Grace Park and Daniel has been droppedal from the show due to contract dispute and dipping ratings


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I have switched back to the old forum format. The new one had developed too many problems with spammers and fixing these problems was seemingly incompatible with the place where my web site is hosted. I tried to reinstall the whole thing from scratch and had no more luck doing that. Considering the only forums which really got any action on the "new" format were discussions about Five-O and Five-Zero and "Other" TV Shows, I might make a separate forum for the other shows. Do not bother to click on the "Archives" link at the top of the page, by the way, because it does not work. If you have any comments or suggestions about the forum, you can contact me through the e-mail address on the bottom of the main page (click on "Home Page" above).

Added: Friday 30 June 2017 18:07:04 MST
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