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Don't hold your breath waiting for me to review the double-header on Friday. I may not review them at all, aside from the one-liner which I did for the second one. Forcing me to sit through two Danno-centric shows is like giving me two cases of syphilis! :!devil:

Added: December 17 2017 04:28:11 PM
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In my opinion aside front the excellent Pearl Harbor episode on the new show I’ll take a season 12 episode of the original show over any Five-Faux episode. I just had the misfortune of watching the 2 new back-to-back episodes this Friday (only because one of them was Christmas-themed) and it’s some of the worst crap I’ve seen so far. Unbearable! I can’t wait to read what Mike has to say about that trash. Danno tells a bedtime story about bad Santas robbing places. Basically the whole episode is a bedtime story told by Danno. None of it actually happened. And he can go back and change the story or add things to the story as he sees fit, you see, because it’s his story. Awww, how cute and funny. :!thinking:

Added: December 17 2017 04:12:02 PM
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Here is a project with some vague similarities to the "best of" season lists that have kept people preoccupied for the last while.

Assume that the 9th season of the original was the last. If so, what episodes would you keep from the 9th or any of the following seasons to end the series on a positive note?

You are limited to 24 shows in total!

Added: December 17 2017 03:40:43 PM
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Recently the main topic in the forum has been Season 12 of the original 5-0 with a lot of threads posted. Sorry to disagree with those individuals who consider some of that Season 12's episodes to be good but to me they all STUNK!

When I went away to college in the fall of 1975, the original H50 was beginning its 8th season. Essentially with other things to do besides watching television each night, I stopped watching H50. Along the way during those seasons, and except for Herman Wedemeyer as "Duke Lukela" one-by-one the other long-time regulars -- Kam Fong (with the "honor" of having his character the original Chin Ho Kelly killed), James MacArthur, heck even Harry Endo as Che Fong, Al Eben as Doc Bergman, and Glen Cannon as D.A. John Manicote -- all left the series.

So, I graduate from college in the spring of 1979 and that fall Season 12 of H50 begins. I did not even recognize the show. Alongside Jack Lord who still remained as McGarrett the team consisted of Wiliam Smith as "Kimo" Carew and Sharon Farrell as "Lori Wilson". Really? I thought back then, who the hell were these characters? The plots in each episode that I ended up watching were all terrible. I gave up about midway through the season, only to come back for the series finale when it was announced that the show finally was being canceled.

Even the iconic music associated with the original 5-0 during its heyday was dramatically different when I briefly came back to watch it during Season 12. Now owning the original series through Season 9, in my opinion and right about then, the background music which earlier had made the show so great had started to change into something heard in other shows from that era at the time - Mannix, Barnaby Jones, Columbo, MacMillan and Wife, McCloud. All excellent shows, but with terrible background music which added nothing to each episode plot. The earlier H50 shows had music which not only added to the overall excellence of many episodes but in addition, they were tunes that I can still hear to this day in my head. One of the mistakes of the new H50 is that the background music heard in many episodes is just plain wretched. I've noticed in many of Mr. Mike's reviews of episodes he's made that same comment.

I hate to disagree with most of the forum members, but Season 8, if it would be considered to be the final season of the new version of 5-0, is still better than Season 12 of the original. Season 12 back then was just plain unwatchable. Personally, I have enjoyed a handful of Season 8 episodes that have aired so far this tv season.

It also would have been a more appropriate ending seen in the original series finale back in the spring of 1980 if McGarrett had ended up killing Wo Fat, or vice-versa. For the two to end their relationship in that final episode in the manner in which it ended ("we'll be buddies now") just was not a satisfactory conclusion!

Added: December 17 2017 03:26:34 PM
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Regarding “Good Help is Hard to Find” I’m the opposite in that I didn’t care for the whole plot of Alika making Five-O look like the Keystone Cops. There was just no suspense or interest there. I always found the episode rather dull on this front. But the part that did interest me was Guido Marioni, played by the always nasty John P. Ryan (check out his KOJAK episode as well as a bunch of Cannon/Golan-Globus 80s action films). Unfortunately as Todd mentioned this was sloppily handled. Kimo’s revenge against Marioni was tacked on at the end like an afterthought. This should have taken center stage and an entire episode should have been devoted to this. Instead we get this rather mediocre Alika episode, with Kimo’s revenge tacked on at the end.

But I’ll definitely be rewatching this episode soon. Let’s see if my opinion changes.

Added: December 17 2017 12:30:53 AM
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And y'all thought I was hard on "Though the Heavens Fall." I think you're being entirely too hard on "Good Help is Hard to Find." That is one of my favorite episodes.

-- Again, because I like Ross Martin's portrayal of Tony Alika. In the scene in Guido Marioni’s (John P. Ryan) hotel room, we see a tough side of Alika that didn’t come through very often. He truly is a mobster in how he threatens Marioni if he leaves the Islands. I love the lines he says to Guido:

Alika: We can take care of Carew.
Guido: Kill a cop? Now, you’re talking bananas.
Alika: Not kill, Guido. Frame!
Guido: Frame?
Alika: Frame. Frame a cop. Discredit, dishonor, disgrace a cop. There's more than one way to skin a cop, you know.

-- Just as Bill Cameron (Norm Alden) in “Rest in Peace, Somebody” (Season 4) used the governor in his efforts to take down McGarrett, Tony Alika in “Good Help is Hard to Find” uses Carew in his efforts to take down McGarrett.

-- The show lets down its hair and allows child ‘ukulele students to perform. They are delightful, but they would not have been included in a more intense episode. For example, they certainly wouldn’t have shown standing atop the Ko‘olau Mountains and playing their ‘ukulele with stark, raving mad Marcus Lucien (William Watson) trying to kill John Manicote (Glenn Cannon) and his daughter, Karen (Laurie Prange) in “Elegy in a Rain Forest” (Season 9).

-- The episode draws from the actors' real-life situations. William Smith is a very active person. He has been a body builder all his life (Watch him climb up the lava rock at the end). The criticisms about McGarrett being vainglorious stem from the gossip about Jack.

-- Then, there’s Truck's cousin, Joey (David Lancaster). He wants so badly to become a police officer that he studies at home at night and goes undercover of his own volition. He reports his findings to Truck. It gets him killed, but he truly did want to join the HPD badly enough to risk his life.

The only real problem I have with the episode comes at the very end, when McGarrett nearly ruins the whole episode by having that pathetic exchange with Alika as he makes the arrest. Come on, McGarrett! This isn’t the time for weak humor. It’s the time to throw the book at the scoundrel. “Book him, Kimo! Umpteen counts of murder, drug trafficking, etc., so forth, and so on.”

Added: December 16 2017 11:32:24 AM
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Since everyone is discussing Season 12 right now, I decided to watch "Good Help is Hard to Find" tonight.

This was the final episode featuring villain Tony Alika, who was arrested at the end of the episode.

Mike gave it one star. I think it deserves slightly better... perhaps 1.5 or 2, but it could have been a lot better if they had fixed a lot of the plot holes and the bad dialogue.

The episode did have a few interesting premises. Alika seeked to get Five-O off his back by bugging McGarrett's office and setting the team up for humiliation at every raid, clearing the places out of any real evidence and replacing them with signs mocking the Five-O team. He would then tip off a reporter who hated McGarrett to cover these failures.

Alika took advantage of the fact that most of the Five-O team was new (something rarely referenced during Season 12), in order to cast seeds of doubt about the effectiveness of the unit.

Kimo's past and newness in Five-O was also used by Alika in a fairly clever frame-up job.

This could have been really compelling, while at the same time actually giving a nod to the massive cast changes, but it wasn't executed very well.

They inserted the man who killed Kimo's wife and child into the episode, who coincidentally is working with Alika. I felt that this was extraneous, and there wasn't ample time to deal with this. There was too much going on in this episode, between the humiliation of Five-O, the internal affairs investigation of the leak (and then Kimo), a murder of one of Truck's informant relatives, and then this thing about Kimo's wife's killer.

The cleaning lady setting up the bug (and then removing it right before the place was swept for bugs the first time) was a clever plot point in a way, but was unrealistic. It is unlikely she wouldn't be investigated when looking for a leak, but they pretty much treat her like she's part of the furniture, despite the fact that she perpetually seems to be right by the door of McGarrett's office!

Somehow Alika still hasn't fired his super-inept bodyguard Billy Swan, who failed him miserably in "A Lion in the Streets".

It is unclear why Truck keeps believing these tips from his informant cousin, when those raids keep ending up as a setup. He accepted the third tip seriously, as if the first two disasterous raids hadn't occurred. While it's true that the tips were good at the time they were given (and Alika changed things after hearing the raids discussed via the office bug), I would think Truck would stop accepting tips from that guy, as two out of two led to Five-O's humiliation!

The Five-O team was very careless to say where Truck's cousin was hiding out when they weren't certain how information kept getting leaked -- a mistake which resulted in him being murdered!

The end chase featuring Kimo going after his wife's killer was poorly staged. It was supposed to be dramatic, with Kimo chasing him up a cliff, but neither man was running very fast, and at some points, it almost seems as if Kimo is walking. It also appears far steeper than others at times, and if you look closely, he's not actually hanging off the edge when he slips -- there's plenty of fairly easy footing right below him!

I don't buy that Kimo would help the guy out of his predicament when he was about to fall. Keep in mind that Kimo traveled to Hawaii in the first place to track down and kill the guy who killed his wife and child! Kimo letting him fall (without helping or causing it) would have been the perfect ending, as it would have given Kimo the justice he wanted without having to commit a vigilante murder. Instead, they went for the cliche "good guy always acts by the book and resists temptation to do otherwise" trope which was unfortunately a staple of pre-1990s cop shows.

The old man who was listening in to Five-O's office (and relaying what he heard to Alika) appears to have gotten away with his crime, and was the only bad guy not dead or arrested by the end.

I thought the kids playing in the ukulele band were cute, but then I had the weird realization that some of these "cute kids" are older than me! I was 7 years old when this episode was taped.

It would have been nice if Tony Alika got a better sendoff than an arrest for a murder with flimsy evidence at best, and it would have been nice if they stretched out Kimo's pursuit of his wife and child's killer over multiple episodes, with him getting closer each time.

I found it interesting that the reporter mocked Five-O for having "recent mass resignations" and "hiring incompetent sycophants in their place". This was likely a reference to Danno, so I assume we were supposed to understand that he resigned for some unknown reason. I believe this was Season 12's only reference to him, even though indirect.

Added: December 16 2017 04:33:09 AM
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Good points, Mike, but honestly they just don’t bother me all that much. We know Chinaman’s Hat is not on the north shore. But we also know that you don’t pass the Dillingham fountain when traveling from the Iolani Palace to somewhere else downtown, yet McGarrett used to do that all the time. Some lousy dialogue between Kimo and Lori also doesn’t bother me. I never cared for the new characters in season 12 so I’m not expecting much from them. Reed luring some guilty punks to attack him at the start doesn’t seem much of a stretch to me.

Added: December 15 2017 09:41:04 PM
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This episode, Though the Heavens Fall, is VERY BAD; I gave it 1/2 star.

- Kimo and Lori are assigned to give protective custody to Meredith Howell (Michael Strong), a potential victim of the vigilante group, who escaped punishment after beating his wife to death because the arresting officers didn't read him his rights. In one of Five-O's stupidest sequences, Kimo and Lori sit outside his house in their car eating sandwiches while Howell is reminiscing over his dead wife's possessions inside. The conversation between the two of them in the car is unbelievably dull. Finally, Kimo feels the urge to talk to McGarrett, and goes into Howell's house to use the phone -- isn't there a radio in his car? Finding Howell gone, and a couple of empty liquor bottles on the floor, the two of them don't even consider the fact that the despondent Howell might have jumped off the balcony at the rear of his house, which is above a sheer cliff.

- At the beginning Slade (Robert Reed) deals with someone who beat the rap, therefore he should receive "justice," i.e., punishment, from the group ... but how does Slade know where this guy is in the seedy part of town, and how does he know that the crook will follow him into a parking garage with one of his friends where "justice" can be dished out?

- Kimo goes undercover, impressing Diana (the episode's default babe) as an archery expert and she gets him a job at the Sportsmen's Club where the bad guys hang out right away. Quite possibly, Kimo >did< have this skill prior to appearing on the show, but I am skeptical.

- Diana tells McGarrett that the vigilantes' hideout is near "Chinaman's Hat on the North Shore." But it is actually on the east side near Waikane.

- Some of the dialog in this show is very stupid, not to mention sexist and racist (though that's the way people used to be "back then," I guess); see my review:

Added: December 15 2017 03:44:59 PM
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H50 1.0 FOREVER, Bob Reed is an actor so he can play various roles. It’s up to us to accept it. By the way Reed is actually a serious dramatic actor by trade so his BRADY BUNCH performance is definitely an outlier. He never liked that show and felt it was beneath him. Reed definitely fit the bill as a snooty member of some elite gentlemen’s club so it worked for me.

I’m sure the cliff scaling was done by a stunt double. No way Reed was doing that. Even today that would be dangerous. But especially back in the day actors simply didn’t do their own stunts the way Tom Cruise does them today.

Added: December 15 2017 07:17:36 AM
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Well, guys, it's just difficult for me to accept Mike Brady ("The Brady Bunch";) and Kenneth Preston ("The Defenders";) as a self-righteous vigilante. That's like being asked to accept that Santa Claus obtains the toys he gives away by robbing toy companies. No way!

A question: Did Robert Reed actually scale that cliff, or was that a stunt double? Hard to tell, except that he did have Reed's litheness.

Added: December 14 2017 07:40:55 PM
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H50 1.0 FOREVER, I’m not sure I follow. I don’t like upstanding citizens taking the law into their own hands either but that doesn’t make it a bad episode. It’s not like they get away with it either. Bad guys always get caught at the end. Some of our favorite episodes have some really despicable criminals. We don’t like what they do or condone their actions but we still love the episodes right? These vigilantes are pretty tame compared to some real creeps of past episodes or the likes of Hookman or the Vashons.

Added: December 14 2017 10:07:16 AM
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Good Though The Heavens Fall discussion. It's pretty well done for a Season 12 episode. Wealthy vigilantes from the Sportsman's club exact vengeance on those who escape justice. Love seeing Mr. Reed again as he was in The Meighan Conspiracy Season 11. Meredith was not a sympathetic character. I'll give the Sportsmen credit. Crawling and scaling up a sheer cliff. Taking Meredith was determination and showed resourcefulness. The episode falls apart some later. Kimo and Truck's cover is blown. It appears those who work at the Club also have a place there. Kimo and Truck marked for death as Meredith. A Most Dangerous Game type ending as the Sportsmen hunt the condemned like game. Not bad for Season 12. JC

Added: December 14 2017 05:54:14 AM
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Ringfire, re: "Though the Heavens Fall," I just don't like to see people take the law in their own hands. Here, especially, we see pillars of the community (they imply) serving as judge, jury, and executioner.

To H50's credit, they did show up the vigilantes as being way off base re: the guilt of Meredith Howell (Michael Strong). He was a pathetic character, but he was not guilty of his wife's murder. It was also good that McGarrett & Co made the necessary arrests without regard for the vigilantes' social standing. Would that have happened in real life? Probably not, but it was refreshing to see it here.

So, yes, the show had its strong points. I just don't like seeing people who should be honorable behaving in this manner.

Added: December 13 2017 08:34:45 PM
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Mark and Julie's site has some more Season 13 episodes, see the link at the bottom of my page --

I think TV By the Numbers was "punked" by me, LOL. :D

Added: December 13 2017 01:34:25 PM
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Mike, someone seems to take your site as Five-O Gospel. I’m sure yours is the only one that mentions 13 seasons.

Added: December 13 2017 01:01:14 PM
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H50 1.0 FOREVER, it’s nice to see that I’m not alone in remembering “Voice of Terror” as a highlight of the season. I was starting to think that my memory was playing tricks on me, what with all the negative comments. But then I also seem to be alone on “Deadly Persuasion” being a highlight of season 8. What in particular bothered you about “Though the Heavens Fall”? I like the vigilante storyline, I like Robert Reed, I like the “jungle hunt”, Elyssa Davalos was a hottie, good score by Broughton. Was it the cliff side kidnapping of Howell? It’s a bit out-there but these guys are sportsmen and athletic types who love a good challenge. It doesn’t kill the episode for me.

Added: December 13 2017 12:57:57 PM
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LOL, what a blunder: "original 'Hawaii Five-0' ran for 13 seasons"? Sure, check out the "13th season." And while you're at it, check out the "Next season" of the reboot as well.

Added: December 13 2017 04:58:09 AM
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Just watched Season 8, Episode 9 (the latest one) of Five-Zero.

Unlike the previous episode, which I liked better than Mike did, this one I liked less.

This episode had various problems:

1) You knew the whole time that the Five-Zero team wasn't going to die from the plague. You had McGarrett, Danno, and the two brand new team members on the boat, along with a bunch of dead people. Was there any chance any of them would be killed off? Zero. I was never in suspense. These scenes work much better when at least one possible expendable character is involved.

2) It was too obvious that Monique was guilty in some way. I knew it as soon as she was found at the beginning of the episode.

3) They never clarified exactly what the plot was regarding the plague. Who was buying it onshore? Was it planned to be used in some sort of terrorist attack? Who was the Phone Call Guy, and why was he so cooperative with Five-Zero to set up Monique?

4) In typical Five-Zero fashion, the attempted trapping of a major criminal is executed horribly, they get away on foot, and a very preventable chase ensues. Zero chance any competent law enforcement organization would let this happen.

5) Too much of the episode focused upon getting the antidote (which we knew would be successful, given that the show's stars were the only ones infected). Not enough time was dedicated to the crime itself.

6) As Mike noted, there was too much time wasted with "We're all going to die" speeches, including the nonsense about Danno and his restaurant waiting room.

7) Only Danno seemeed to exhibit real symptoms of the disease, even when they neared an hour from expected death time after exposure. McGarrett was able to jump in after the antidote case into the violently choppy sea, Tani was able to pull both of them in AND hook the difficult cable to the boat, and Junior was able to jump into the water to save McGarrett after he was overcome by the waves.

I'd give this one 2.5 stars overall. I actually liked the previous episode better.

Added: December 12 2017 11:57:37 PM
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Trevor, I was not the one who made the character in the show have a connection to South Africa. In doing so, considering this character was a bad person, the writers implied that South Africa was not a "good" place to be from, just like other default "bad" places which villainous characters on the show are connected to like North Korea, Russian republics, nations in the former Yugoslavia and Eastern Europe, etc.

Added: December 12 2017 03:05:00 PM
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1. Voice of Terror (excellently done all around. Cal Bellini carried the lead well.)
2. A Lion in the Streets (very accurate portrayal of the islanders vs. mainlanders issues)
3. Clash of Shadows (well done all around. Albert Paulsen always plays well.)
4. Good Help is Hard to Find (anything with Tony Alika. Ross Martin seems to have loved the role.)
5. Who Says Cops Don’t Cry? (good storyline; just difficult to accept that the Fab Four weren’t on the case)
6. Woe to Wo Fat (a good Wo vs. McGarrett story, especially since they were 59 and 70 years old when they duked it out in the rain forest)
7. A Bird in Hand (good story, love the poetry)
8. The Flight of the Jewels (like the characters, even though the storyline is implausible)
9. The Sign of the Ram (Joe Moore’s presence, if not the strength of his character. Who wrote this episode, anyway???)
10. A Shallow Grave (John David Carson gave an excellent performance.)
11. School for Assassins (well done, except that the Jennie character was too weak)
12. Use a Gun, Go to Hell (a story that needs to be told; just painful to watch)
13. Labyrinth (good premise; terribly weak writing)
14. The Kahuna (very accurate portrayal of the cultural distance between Niihau and the other Hawaiian islands. Might have rated higher with a stronger storyline.)
15. For Old Times Sake (I like the characters, but the story line was weak.)
16. The Golden Noose (implausible)
17. Image of Fear (too frightening to watch)
18. Though the Heavens Fall (just plain stupid)
19. The Moroville Covenant (David Lawrence might as well have been named Lyon Burke, Paul Burke’s character name in Valley of the Dolls. What an ego!)

Added: December 12 2017 03:02:58 PM
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Trevor, Mike was obviously being sarcastic with that comment. Like if you’re from Africa you’re probably a machete-wielding warlord. Obviously these are just stereotypes that are often used in TV and film. Mike is just having fun with that stereotype. I wouldn’t take things too seriously when reading his reviews.

Added: December 12 2017 01:26:15 PM
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Hi guys, first post.

I've been reading and enjoying Mr Mikes' reviews of the new H50 until I got to the review of the third season episode OHUNA and read this:

[Winston, who has a connection to South Africa, and thus is very, very bad]

That is a nasty, unnecessary comment: most South Africans - like myself - are nice people and not deserving of such comments. I even liked the episode.

Apologies for the rant but that comment was a low blow.

Added: December 12 2017 12:10:28 AM
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Just watched Season 8, episode 8 of Five-Zero.

I thought it deserved three stars, rather than the two Mike gave it.

Indeed, it had its share of plot holes and missing explanations, but I found the story compelling, and every segment of the investigation revealed a new and useful twist. There were no red herrings in this one -- something Five-Zero often uses to waste valuable time.

McGarrett flying the plane was unnecessary. That, along with the "beers on the beach" segment, could have been cut in favor of some expository scenes regarding a few of the show's peculiar plot points.

As Mike pointed out, we never were told how and why Luke stole the Jason Sachs identity, and how the two of them looked nearly identical. Mike assumed plastic surgery. I assumed that Luke knew of his death, saw his picture, noticed the resemblance, and took on Sachs' identity in order to steal his assets to start his life over.

But we're not given any clarity here. A short explanation would have been helpful.

Again, as Mike pointed out, we don't learn how Tani's brother Koa was able to steal that part from the NTSB's evidence warehouse. That would have made a nice segment in the middle of the show (the actual theft), rather than simply watching Koa discuss it near the end.

We never find out of McGarrett has Callahan (NTSB agent) prosecuted for his evidence tampering and bribe-taking.

Had they cut out some of the time-wasting BS and replaced it with scenes as described above, this might be a 3.5 or 4 star episode.

But I'll still give it 3. I enjoyed it.

Added: December 11 2017 12:20:32 AM
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Ok, season 12, here goes...

1. Though the Heavens Fall (a sort of low-rent Mother’s Deadly Helper)
2. Voice of Terror
3. Image of Fear
4. The Flight of the Jewels
5. Use a Gun, Go to Hell
6. School for Assassins
7. Who Says Cops Don’t Cry?
8. The Golden Noose
9. Labyrinth
10. A Shallow Grave
11. Woe to Wo Fat
12. Clash of Shadows
13. A Bird in Hand...
14. Good Help is Hard to Find
15. A Lion in the Streets
16. For Old Times Sake
17. Sign of the Ram
18. The Kahuna
19. The Moroville Covenant

The last 2 just suck! The Kahuna is crappy (but it does have Don Knight) while Moroville is a true cure for insomnia so that’s why I’m putting it last. Like I said, once I rewatch the entire season I’ll probably have a clearer picture of this ranking but this is how it stands for now. Good night! :)

Added: December 10 2017 08:43:52 PM
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I, too, watched "Ho'onani Makuakane" (Season 4) in remembrance of the attack on Pearl Harbor. The writers did their research and created a truly first class episode. That filming of the opening scenes actually was done during a part of the 75th Anniversary Commemoration and included actual survivors of the sinking of the USS Arizona added a touch that nothing else could have.

Added: December 08 2017 07:20:59 PM
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Today is Pearl Harbor Day, a day of remembrance. I remembered by watching the excellent season 4 episode of Five-Faux “Honor Thy Father”. Great performance by guest James Saito as well as AOL himself. I welled up a bit by the tribute to the “greatest generation” at the end. A touching tribute.

Fred, I’m still whittling down the season 12 episodes in my mind as time permits. I really should rewatch that whole season (I got the DVD a year or two ago) to properly appraise it but that would take too long so I’ll just go by my recollection from a long time back. At some point after I rewatch the season I might do a revaluation. For instance I recall “Voice of Terror” being a highlight but everyone seems to think it’s terrible.

Added: December 07 2017 09:13:32 PM
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Woe to Season 12. Not only was it fairly bad, but I have only 19 episodes to choose from to make up my top 10.

1 - A Lion in the Streets
2 - The Flight of the Jewels
3 - For Old Time Sakes
4 - Who Says Cops Don't Cry
5 - The Moroville Covenant
6 - Labyrinth
7 - Use a Gun, Go to Hell
8 - The Golden Noose
9 - The Kahuna
10 - A Shallow Grave

Added: December 05 2017 12:22:07 PM
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Hey Ringfire, yeah Chicken done fohgot Matsukino’s gift to Murph The Boxman! Who Harry C dug cause The Murph was a real medium type a guy. Like you sez “so much giftin, bay-bee!!” An a real gas of a swingin’ Christmas.

John – thanks for the shout out man. Chicken not as well versed in the later seasons as 1 thru 9. That bein said, what struck me bout Lion was the way our man McGarrett really finessed the situation of the kapu and employin Kimo. Quite a contrast to steamrollin’ high-intensity Steve-O from season 1 and a credit to our man Jack that his portrayal of the character evolved over time. Thought the original Will Smith gave his best Five-O turn in this ep as well. Chicken really dug Will Smith from his work in the iconic biker war flick The Losers.

Mr. Mike – thanks for the resurrectin the ole Lion discussion. Will check out and try an rewatch that ep.

Lastly, a top 7 a fave eps from the inaugural 1st season:

Painted Daisies
Pray Love Remember
Tiger by the Tail
The Box

Added: December 03 2017 11:02:23 PM
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Friday's episode reviewed:

Added: December 03 2017 06:05:50 PM
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Todd, I have added the old discussion about Lion in the Streets to this page, so check this out and then continue the discussion back here:

I haven't done anything with this page since last July, so I had to find my instruction sheet on how to do this (which I had written out and actually found quickly, though it was buried in thousands of files) and, surprisingly, everything that I had documented worked the way it should!

I notice that in the discussion I was threatening to watch Lion in the Streets again, which I still have not done. I have been kind of preoccupied with Streets of San Francisco and other things. Maybe soon...

If anyone remembers any other discussions from the old forum that they want to see again, then post about it here ... I need practice so it won't take me so long to reconstruct them.

By the way, the emoji characters in the original postings do NOT show up. There is nothing that I can do about this...

Added: December 03 2017 11:06:53 AM
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Mike, I would love to see you bring back archives of the phpBB discussions. I want to see what I wrote about "Lion in the Streets" right after I re-watched it!

Anyway, regarding Five-Zero, the new season at least features some fresh material with the two new characters, but it just kinda has the feel of Season 12 of Five-O. It especially feels that way when Danno is absent, where it's just McGarrett and a bunch of characters introduced later.

I have a feeling this will be the last season.

I really wish they would get away from the lame "computer hacking" plots. Not only are these scenes laughably unrealistic, but they've done so many of them, it's gotten really stale.

Have they run out of ideas?

I enjoy seeing Kamekona episodes where he does something besides sell shrimp. Wish they'd do more of that. They pretty much neutered an interesting character when they gave him that shrimp truck, but they can make up for it by featuring him more often.

I wonder how Grace Park and Daniel Dae Kim are feeling about their decision to leave.

Added: December 03 2017 01:37:40 AM
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"A Lion in the Streets" was overrated, in my opinion. Too many holes in the plot, and the second half of it pretty much blew off the whole election idea. We never got to see the results of the election when the episode was over, which was also disappointing.

Paul L. Smith played a descendant of Kamehameha, but Smith was white and looked it. His character was also kind of a jerk, and spent most of the time yelling.

Tony Alika's henchmen were so incompetent that it was comical and distracting.

Not a bad episode, but I didn't think it was one of the better ones, either. I'll concede that it was great by Season 12 standards, though.

Added: December 03 2017 01:32:38 AM
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Many DVD sets of TV shows have a "PLAY ALL" button in the menus. Does anyone actually use this?

Added: December 02 2017 11:42:35 PM
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You’re right, Chick! “Deathwatch” sure was one swingin’ Christmas episode. What a gas that was, baby! Outta sight!! You flip me man, I forgot about all that gift giving in that episode, baby! Not to mention the December 25 air date. Don’t forget about the “boxman”, he gave lots of gifts. But he also needed a gift himself real bad, baby! He was really hurtin’ for that gift. But don’t you worry - Joe Matsukino didn’t forget the boxman. He got him a gift. A different gift than he was expecting but it was still a gift. So much gifting there, bay-bee!!! No way, bay-bee, but NOOO WAAAAY!!

Added: December 02 2017 03:56:06 PM
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Great to hear from you again Big Chicken. Say hello to Toomey & Walsh. Curious BC what are your FAV McG episodes Season 1??? There's been good discussion over Classic HFO fans FAV episodes the last few months S-1-12. We are at the end Season 12 now. Lion In The Streets is my FAV from that season. Could you give a Big Chicken analysis/summary of A Lion In The Streets? Thanks bruddah! JC

Added: December 02 2017 02:44:56 AM
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Hey, Chicken again. Just wanted to report that I took in another viewin a “Painted Daises.” And struck by what a grim police procedural that ep is. McGarrett examining dead Thad’s body on scene and interrogatin withdrawin Annie in a hospital bed is pretty bleak stuff, back in the day and Today. And what a showin for our man Zulu! His scenes canvassin for witnesses and bringin levity and lomein to dire straits Danno display such a naturalness & easygoing – he really workin it in this ep. And how bout when he tell McGarrett they found Chick’s prints in the pad, he gots better lines and more mojo in that scene than Lord Jack! Musta burned Jack up, brudda. No wonder he done ran Kono off the Five-O!

Added: December 01 2017 11:30:38 PM
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Classic H5O DID have a quasi-Christmas episode: S2’s “To Hell With Babe Ruth”, in which we see a sidewalk Santa ringing a bell early on, right after McGarrett says “Peace on Earth...good will towards men” sarcastically at the first crime scene. Makes sense given the episode is set on Dec.7.

Added: December 01 2017 10:28:52 PM
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The original show never gave us no Christmas ep? RingFire, brudda, c’mon! Whadda bout DeathWatch aka “Joe & Harry’s Swingin Christmas” which aired on Christmas Day in 1968?

Joe Matsukino, King a Da Rackets, gift wraps a car bomb n some toxic allergy poisonin for his pal Cardonas. While Harry in turn gives the gift of incriminatin testimony against ole Joe. But our man Steve-O outdoes em all, deliverin a healthy Harry to court and a surprise long prison term for Matsukino. “I promised you – Oahu State Prison for Life. Let’s Go.”

Yeah Steve! Sure us Five-O heads would agree: it was the best Christmas evah!

Added: December 01 2017 09:57:39 PM
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Haven't watched five zero in a while. Apparently, I haven't missed a thing. Ten minutes into tonight's show. Can't understand what would make grown men and women deliver such dreadful drivel. ($?- the only reason I can think of) This show doesn't make me want to visit Hawaii, it makes me want to avoid it.

Added: December 01 2017 08:25:14 PM
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McG has it tough in A Lion In The Streets. The Hawaiian candidates for the position keep having "accidents". Alika is inexplicably allowed to walk free plus Carew wants revenge against the killers who murdered his family in Boston. He follows Johnny Mio from Boston to Hawaii to find these killers. McG is later made taboo...Duke and the Hawaiians can't talk to McG. It's probably the last excellent episode of Classic HFO. BIG ANDY steps in to run for the position against Johnny Mio. 5.5 stars out of 6. What are your FAV scenes from A Lion In The Streets? JC

Added: November 30 2017 04:27:15 PM
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Yes, I think “The Flight of the Jewels” would make my top 5 for season 12. The model plane was a clever idea. Plus a young Jeff Daniels! I guess I better start thinking about my season 12 ranking.

Added: November 29 2017 10:41:51 AM
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To Season 12!!! Flight Of The Jewels is 1 of my FAV of the season. The kids were very intelligent and what an ingenious plan. It's dumb why Kimo would leave 15-20 minutes early. Maybe, he could have done something and maybe not. The gas was powerful. Top 5 Season 12. 1.A Lion In The Streets 2.Who Says Cops Don't Cry 3.Flight Of The Jewels 4.A Shallow Grave 5.Woe To Wo Fat. The end with Wo Fat in that striped outfit was really stupid. Should be prison denim. JC

Added: November 28 2017 03:24:46 AM
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Mike, what do you mean I need "deprogramming"? FIVE-ZERO is a fine program. I always loved it and always will. Superb acting all around too. Best that TV has to offer. Okay, okay, I suppose April Fools' in November doesn't quite work. :p But anyway, I did like that Christmas-y episode.

Wow, 4 KOJAK episodes with a Christmas theme?? :!surprised: Definitely surprised by that one!

Added: November 27 2017 10:19:38 PM
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Kojak shows with Christmas content:

(S01E09) Conspiracy of Fear
(S02E14) The Betrayal
(S03E14) How Cruel the Frost, How Bright the Stars
(S04E18 & S04E19) Kojak's Days

Added: November 27 2017 07:01:08 PM
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If Danno or McGarrett were in the crater/bunker comms center, that could be an episode showing the transmitter.

The transmitter is a model KW-1 made for amateur radio by Collins Radio then of Cedar Rapids, Iowa. Built between 1952-53 as best as I can recall. Only 150 produced plus 2 prototypes. I was fortunate to come across one in an antique shop back in 1988 after a tip from a friend. I had heard about Hawaii 5-0 example back around 1991 but only spoke with the owner via email in the last year or so.

Here's a link to the website that contains the registry:

The photo at top is of Art Collins who founded the company, with one of the prototypes behind him.

S/N 139 is the one from the show. If you scroll down just below the main list, you'll find some footnotes, including one about the 5-0 connection.

I'd like to be able to get a good single frame copy from one of the shows to send to the fellow who currently owns the transmitter as he has no idea of the episodes either. And of course, I'm anxious to see it for myself as an owner of one of these old rigs.


Added: November 27 2017 06:41:57 PM
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WHAT?!?!? I think some serious deprogramming (there is pun there somewhere) is required for you, Ringfire! :p

But if you are interested, here are other Christmas episodes:

S01E12. Hana 'a'a Makehewa (Desperate Measures)
S02E12. Alaheo Pau’ole (Gone Forever) (very minimal Christmas content)
S03E11. 11. (S03E11) Kahu (Guardian) (a very bad show)
S04E11. Pukana (Keepsake)
S06E10. Ka Mākau Ka‘a Kaua (The Sweet Science) (minimal mention of Christmas)

Added: November 27 2017 06:32:09 PM
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Hope you all had a fine Thanksgiving, folks! I rounded out the festivities last night with a Christmas-themed FIVE-ZERO episode. It’s the S05e09 episode “Longshot”, the one where Danno is too cheap to buy a Christmas tree so he and McGarrett break the law by cutting one down at a forest preserve. Oh, and there’s also the case of the stolen race horse. And the subplot of a geek war between Max and this rival Indian geek M.E. Still, I enjoyed the episode. Yes even the silliness with the cutting of the tree. Maybe I was just in a festive light-hearted mood so this episode definitely fit the bill. I enjoyed the Hawaiian Barney Fife investigating this “crime” that Steve and Danno perpetrated. Haha! The main highlight (as Mike mentioned in his review) is the change of scenery to the Big Island which was beautifully shot. Loved the epic sounding Five-O theme that was incorporated into the score as our guys arrive at the crime scene on Mauna Loa. Also I have a thing for horses so the crime of the week was interesting. The ending reunion with the horse was sappy but I loved it. Same with Kamekona leading everyone in a singing of “Silent Night”. Good episode!

I understand there’s another Christmas episode somewhere in season 3 I think. Shame the original show never gave us a Christmas episode. Neither did SOSF. Did KOJAK have one? I guess back in the day holiday-themed shows weren’t as common as today. At least not in crime dramas. Mostly it was seen in sitcoms. Halloween, Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year’s.

Added: November 27 2017 01:21:09 PM
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Isn't there a 6 foot tall radio in the Diamond Head underground headquarters in one episode (the one with Donald Pleasance?) where Danno is calling someone?

Added: November 27 2017 08:39:55 AM
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Fred, I do remember that McGarrett was seen communicating with these Civil Defense trucks from his office, using his transparent map to plot the locations. If I recall correctly he would either hold some type of microphone/walkie-talkie in his hand or maybe he was talking to his desk phone (which would be on speaker). But I just don’t remember some large refrigerator size contraption in his office.

Added: November 25 2017 12:36:31 AM
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