Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- September 2015

The Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- September 2015


The following are archived comments from September, 2015. After looking around, please add your own comments!

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Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

It sounds like Nina Tassler is playing PR woman, but then again, which network executive will openly badmouth a TV series running on their network?

Which leads to my next statement: Unitel interviewed Les Moonves, and he said he doesn't like the new show and doesn't watch it. He said it wasn't a good remake.

Added: Wednesday 30 September 2015 12:31:24 MST


Submitted by: Anne
From: Tangerine FL

Is Tassler watching reruns of the old show and doesn't realize it? Sheesh. :!shake:

Added: Wednesday 30 September 2015 11:33:34 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Will executive's departure at CBS have any effect on Five-0?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1600194/board/thread/248849447

Added: Wednesday 30 September 2015 08:10:16 MST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Dick Lewis is watching no more

Hey Otto-man - Wow! Newmark & Lewis, Tom Carvel. Too many blasts from the past, brudda! Hilarious…..Shout out to fudgie the whale!:D

Thanks for bringin the Chicken back to the back in the day. And do report with thoughts on Season 9. Think that’s my favorite season outside a one. The last great season a Five-O.

You may remembers the real Crazy Eddie embezzled alotta cash n fled the NYC, bein extradited back from Israel to face charges. Young Chicken could imagine a McGarrettesque NYPDer flyin to Tel Aviv to bust em like McGarrett done did to Connors in “Which Way Did they Go?.” Always loved that endin, like Steve-O warned em ‘I got a long arm.’ Indeed he done does!

honu59 in New Yawk - Chicken still rockin the vinyl LPs & CAY-ssets as well. Right on!

And H50 FO’EVER – great speechifyin on the Real Dealio and da pretendas. You go Sista!

Added: Tuesday 29 September 2015 21:14:39 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

True. It does seem early to be making predictions. Still, based on what I've read here, the tally is not very surprising. First show of the season -- usually an A-One production -- and it bombed (based on what I've read; I haven't seen it).

Even after five years, the 2.0 production team just doesn't get it. The concept of back story is to lay ground work by introducing characters. It is not to provide story lines that overshadow the show, itself. In short, it should be used very sparingly. The tool box was enough about AOL's character's family life. His mother was said to be dead; they should have left her that way. The carguments never were funny or even amusing. Why keep bringing them back? Now, with the counseling bit... Sheesh! As for Kon[a] dating a mobster, wouldn't that constitute conflict of interest? The woman should be bumped down to meter maid for not having more sense.

Better, yet, throw out the whole personal life bit and present good, solid mysteries. Let the cops be more honest than the criminals they are pursuing. Take the show to Singapore and Hong Kong. Oh, wait. I forgot. 1.0 already did that -- all of that.

CBS, take note. You can run this drivel for 12 seasons, if you feel it necessary to prove it can last for as long as 1.0 did -- or you can cancel this waste of time, energy, and money and celebrate the fact that NCIS really did last for as long as 1.0 did and, furthermore, now, in its 13th season, is lasting even longer than 1.0 did. But, then, NCIS is a quality show with good, solid mysteries and high production values. No wonder it has lasted -- without being pressured to do so.

Added: Tuesday 29 September 2015 10:30:43 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Seems kind of early to be making this prediction:

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2015/09/28/cbs-renewcancel-standings-week-1-call-it-hawaii-five-1-0/473058/

Added: Tuesday 29 September 2015 09:05:27 MST


Submitted by: Otto
From: Ch. 9 WOR

Yo CHICK,

"DICK LEWIS IS WATCHING!" Newmark and Lewis, ha ha. Yeah man, i kept all the commercials and i recognize the ones you mentioned. And there was CARVEL. on and on. I think even CRAZY EDDIE was around at that time.

Anyway, i took an unintentional break from the FIVE and now i'm jumping in to Season 9, on DVD. I'll post in if i think it's helpful.

Mr. Mike: yes, i remember getting obsessive about recording, and editing, and wanting to have it all. One time i saw a movie on TV called LADY IN A CAGE, a 1964 psychodrama featuring a young James Caan. From the ads aired previously it looked hilarious, so i taped the entire audio with a hand held recorder, and listened to it over and over in the ensuing months...

It's why i can't get rid of my old VHS tapes of the FIVE. It was a special feeling capturing something which was not readily available, as everything is today.

Added: Monday 28 September 2015 21:07:24 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Friday's show reviewed: http://mjq.net/fiveo/2010-log6.htm#1

Added: Sunday 27 September 2015 22:31:19 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

The season premiere would have been better if they did not waste time with Steve and Cathy at the wedding reception and that silly argument between Steve and Danno in the car. They're padding the storyline because the main case of the week wasn't developed enough for 45 minutes. I'm getting sick of Kono and Adam. Their storyline was a cliché from the beginning, and it's wearing thin. If Kono can't figure out that being around Adam is dangerous, she deserves what she gets.

As for Steve and Cathy, they're introducing a new love interest for him, so it looks odd that he's going to propose to Cathy. They're not going to make it the altar.

Added: Sunday 27 September 2015 14:09:07 MST


Submitted by: honu59
From: New York

"Steve cradling what looked like Cath's dead body..."

Very predictable indeed. I imagine that Steve will propose first. Chin marries Malia, then she's dead. Kono marries Adam and it looks like he's at death's door. Cath is probably next. It's like falling in love with a Cartwright on Bonanza or wearing a red shirt on Star Trek.

Added: Saturday 26 September 2015 11:29:46 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

This article from The Hollywood Reporter doesn't offer much hope for improvement.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/hawaii-five-0-season-6-827079

Added: Saturday 26 September 2015 11:06:02 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Comment on IMDB:

Reply to "Catherine is Suddenly Back?"
By baileywycke

I think Lenkov thinks he can redeem his little princess [Catherine] by making her take a bullet for Steve. Peter posted a photo on Instagram with Steve cradling what looked like Cath's dead body. Makes me wanna puke just thinking about it.

I'm waiting until Cath is gone to tune in again. Three weeks? Four weeks? That's okay. It's worth avoiding the whole contrived disaster. I don't like being manipulated or taken for granted, and this plotline is far too calculated and ridiculous for my tastes.

More power to the rest of the cast, having to deal with the showrunner and his rectal-cranial inversion.

Added: Saturday 26 September 2015 09:31:38 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Last night's show began with a goof. Some guy recorded an interview on a Betamax tape in October, 1975, but the first home models of this machine, according to Wikipedia, were not sold in the USA until "early November, 1975."

There was also some blather from the resident geek, Jerry, that Betamax was superior to VHS. This is a matter of opinion as far as the basic models were concerned. If you look it up on Wikipedia again, there was a very slight difference in resolution between the two formats, with Betamax a bit better. Both formats had improved technologies introduced later, but these required things like special tapes and were not compatible with the very first machines.

Do a Google search for "was beta better than vhs" without the quotes.

As far as the rest of the show was concerned, I didn't like it that much. There was far too much "ohana" drivel (Kono/Adam, McGarrett/Catherine, etc.) with loads of banal dialogue. The torture of Kono with her tooth getting pulled out was just plain nasty. And the end of the show I'm sure will cause problems if it is shown out of sequence when syndicated.

The whole business with the pirates at the beginning, while imaginative and accompanied by music which was a touch up on the usual thud-and-blunder noise, was based on a hoax, described by one expert as "pure fiction," "designed to sell newspapers" back in 1884. Sort of like Facebook now!

http://www.pressreader.com/usa/honolulu-star-advertiser/20150925/282303908940238/TextView

Added: Saturday 26 September 2015 09:03:37 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

Mr. Mike: Out of curiosity, how did you get from starting to watch the Five-O episodes in the mid 90's (as you had said in your recent post) to setting up this website in 1995 and going to the 1996 convention in Hawaii?

Added: Friday 25 September 2015 10:47:29 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Very good report of recent Sunset on the Beach, includes pictures of Al Harrington and Dennis Chun, among others:

https://h50koolaid.wordpress.com/2015/09/20/h50-sunset-on-the-beach-season-6-the-view-from-the-beach/

Added: Tuesday 22 September 2015 08:02:57 MST


Submitted by: honu59
From: New York

Big Chicken, I still have all my vinyl LPs and a turntable on which to play them. I also still have a big collection of CAY-settes and a cassette player.

H50 and Vrinda, interesting speculation and rumors about the possibility of Five-O continuing after season 12. I like the idea of bringing in Sandi Welles - I always liked her character. Perhaps if James MacArthur had come back after a year away, he could have headed the unit after McGarrett's retirement with Sandi, Duke and Truck on the team. Or maybe they could have hired one of the other regular guest stars as a team member, like when Al Harrington joined the team after being a regular bad guy.

Added: Tuesday 22 September 2015 04:06:20 MST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Sea-town

Hey Otto – great to hear from you, man. Yeah, nothin like catchin the Five-O on the WOR, can’t beat watchin them faded prints with the analog rabbit-ears reception. Think the suits @ CBS tried to recreate that experience with the Season 10 DVD set! :D

Playin back them tapes now you might catch ads for Apex Tech or promos for Joe Franklin and Mort Downey.

Chicken VCR’d a bunch a Five-O eps back in the day, along with the original Letterman guerilla Late Night talk show, but I was never organized enuff to keep em labeled n together. So I left em at the folks house when I headed to college.

Mr. Mike, I most impressed with your prodigious taping & editin a ALL the episodes. Gave em all away, though. Guess it’s the obsolete medium. Bet you kept yo vinyl LPs

Added: Monday 21 September 2015 21:54:58 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Thank you, H, and thank you for saving them.

There were plans to continue Hawaii Five-O, as I was told by one of the writers, but CBS was presented with different ideas, and none of them were ever set in motion. However, there were no plans to bring William and Sharon on with the new series. They wanted much younger actors to appeal to the 20-something age group. That's all I will say on it for now. ;)

Added: Monday 21 September 2015 19:36:13 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

I would like to know more about the supposed efforts to continue the show after season 12 without Jack Lord. Was this really ever seriously considered? Continuing Hawaii Five-O without Jack Lord would have been like The Andy Griffith Show without Andy Griffith or I Love Lucy without Lucille Ball. Without those stars around, what was the point?

What's more, this was a different situation than say Ashton Kutcher taking over for Charlie Sheen in Two & A Half Men, which was still riding high in the ratings at the time of the switch. Five-O was on its' last legs by 1979. No supporting characters, no matter how strong they were, could have lifted the series from the doldrums at that point. While the supporting cast was often underrated, the show lived and died with the McGarrett character. Also, William Smith was primarily known for playing villains at that time. Why would anyone have thought he could played a policeman convincingly enough to succeed McGarrett? I can't believe that anyone at CBS would have spent any real amount of time seriously considering that possibility.

Added: Monday 21 September 2015 19:33:50 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

Good points, Vrinda. Thank you for itemizing them. I'm going to save a copy of what you said.

Here's another possible reason why Jack might have left the set after saying his lines: It has been rumored that the network wanted the show to continue and that Bill Smith was considered as a new-generation Five-0 chief. What better way to give Bill Smith a chance to get in and take his place than for Jack to slip quietly away. Of course, as we know, the viewers could accept only McGarrett and only Jack in that role. Thus ended our beloved Five-0.

C and I think the show could have continued quite successfully if, instead of bringing in Sharon Farrell, they had brought in Amanda McBroom and let Sandi Welles be Kimo Carew's second-in-command. She would have added a spark of brightness and a balance to Carew's brusqueness. But, of course, by then, Amanda's singing career was catching on, and she wasn't available. Such a shame. Alas! "All good things must end some day; autumn leaves must fall."

Added: Monday 21 September 2015 18:09:34 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Jack sold his interest in the show after it went off the air, so he wasn’t playing the hired actor during the final season. I should clarify that this cameraman was very kind and objective in his speech, and was not being negative towards Jack, but telling me what he saw. He didn't call him any names or editorialize. He had no personal problems with Jack, has no ill will towards him, and would have worked with him again if the opportunity came. I don’t count him as one of the badmouthers. "Phoning it in" was my terminology to summarize what he said.

The rumors about Jack came from many sources, William and Sharon being only being a fraction of them. You will find out in time, from some who worked on Hawaii Five-O and even some who work at CBS today, that CBS was a part of the reason for so many rumors being spread about Jack. CBS would warn potential guest stars about Jack’s alleged difficulty before they set out for Hawaii. Some people were open-minded and did not allow themselves to be guided by those warnings, but waited till they got to Hawaii to see for themselves. Many saw something totally different – that Jack was pleasant to work with and nothing like what the executives at CBS said he was.

There were other actors who were jerks and believed those stories the network set forth to the point where they misconstrued things Jack did, which were trivial or just everyday aspects of working on a TV show, and blew them out of proportion to make them sound like they proved the tales they were told. These were things like Jack yelling at the crew for not doing their jobs properly, or yelling at the actors who flubbed their lines.

Sometimes, crew members who were immature and irresponsible grumbled about Jack behind his back and word got back to reporters in Hollywood. Some of these reporters might have heard gossip from actors and cameramen who had come back from Hawaii or sought them out for information. That is where much of these stories came from.

Though it was known among many in Hollywood that Jack had producer rights and could, consequently, direct every show, even the ones where he was not credited as the director. There were many in Hollywood who did not know that, which led to some guest stars criticizing Jack for directing the show when there was another director there. After 5 or 6 years on the air, many directors who came back to the show to direct knew how Jack operated, and allowed him to sit in on filming and direct it when he was not in the scene as McGarrett. Jack originally did that to help the inexperienced actors, but he also got involved when the experienced actors made mistakes, which also led to criticism. These bigshot Hollywood actors didn’t like being told how to say a line or two, and criticized Jack because of that – again, another source of the rumors.

It was also his right, as the star of the show, to direct the episodes, even if another director was there. That didn’t sit well with actors who were not used to that set up, didn’t know that an actor who was the star had that right, and believed actors should act and directors should direct. Again, a fourth reason for the rumors.

A fifth reason for these rumors flourishing so much over the past 45 years is that the audience reading them is ignorant of how TV shows are made, the roles of the actor, producer, director, writer, script consultant, cameraman, etc. If people understood what those people’s positions were and that the star of show is allowed to do more than just act, they would not be interpreting everything Jack did which someone didn't like as egotism, control freakishness, etc.

Added: Monday 21 September 2015 16:51:18 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

And what that crew member ties in well with other things we've "heard." Even so, before you put something in print, you'll wisely have it corroborated by two or more other people. This is true of both favorable and unfavorable information. It's protection for the author, and that is essential when writing biographies.

Added: Monday 21 September 2015 15:56:07 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Vrinda & HFO Forever
Outstanding Classic HFO posts as usual! I always thought A Lion In The Streets referred to McGarrett trying to keep the peace from that labor union war erupting in the streets and violence. Andy was one of my favorite actors in HFO episodes. He had a range of emotions and was a well-written character. Andy showed great strength hoping HFO would bring in Mio as another Labor Union candidate would get injured. They didn't have the evidence so Andy took matters into his own hands. I thought having Alika back in the storyline enhanced the episode. He was a great character. I thought Season 12 had some good episodes. Woe To Wo Fat, Flight Of The Jewels, For Old Times Sake etc. Thumbs down on A Voice Of Terror & The Kahuna. John

Added: Monday 21 September 2015 15:47:39 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

H50 1.0.,

That was the take of one crew member who was there, Lowell Peterson. He was talking about what he saw when he was working there at that time. It's not coming from my speculation, but his own observances. He felt that a part of Jack wanted to continue with the show, but a large part wanted it to be over.

It was the last season, and Jack agreed to do it because it was contractual obligation with CBS. However, he did not like it.

Sharon is a lost cause. She will not give me a straight story, and she didn't give one to the executive producer or the film crew when they interviewed her. She thought I was on her Facebook friends' list, which I never was. She even told Joel she knew all about Kathy and me, when we were never in touch with her.

I know William Smith hated Jack, and his tone when the executive producer spoke to him was sinister, like one of the bad guys he played on TV. If I speak to them, they will continue with the same comments they always made, which is the same stuff they have been saying for years.

I can give my own opinions, but they, like everyone else on here, is from the viewpoint of a viewer who is watching what is on screen, which is not the same when you take into account what was really happening behind the scenes.

If anyone who was there was to say it was all sunshine and rainbows during the filming of Season 12, would that make sense, given what others have said?

It's only when we get into Seasons 11 and 12 that the stories get heated, and unfortunately, there are more crew members around from that time than the previous years. Like it or not, William and Sharon were a part of the show, so they were approached to do interviews and they did them, but getting the real story from them is not going to happen, because they believe they have told the real story.

Since the discussion is on Season 12, from LB's last post, this is why I brought it up. If Jack was irritable and not dong the things he committed to do during the past seasons, that is what happened. This isn't coming from me, but one crew member whom I did speak to who was there.

Added: Monday 21 September 2015 14:28:02 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

Vrinda, I hope you will follow up on that statement that Jack was only phoning it in during Season 12. Having watched those episodes many times, I don't see him giving less than his best. I do see evidence that he may not have been physically capable of strenuous exercise, such as when he rides in the helicopter, rather than pursue the bad guys on foot. If he did, indeed, recite his lines and leave, it may have been for physical reasons, or he may have sold his interest in the show (which he did at some unknown point in time) and have been merely a hired actor in Season 12. In either case, I think more research is needed here. See if you can talk to some more Season 12 crew members to get their take on it.

As for the statements said to have been made by Smith and Farrell, they would tell us where the vicious rumors originated. Follow up on that, too, to make sure the statements actually began there. Talk to Smith and Farrell, yourself. We may finally have solved the puzzle -- or not -- but we need to know.

Added: Monday 21 September 2015 13:29:23 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

Robert Janes wrote 15 episodes of Hawaii Five-0, all in Seasons 10, 11, and 12. Many, if not most, tend to make their way onto our lists of favorite Five-0 episodes. Here are my favorites of his work:

Season 10: Shake Hands with the Man on the Moon, A Death in the Family

Season 11: Number One with a Bullet (parts 1 and 2), The Skyline Killer

Season 12: A Lion in the Streets

Added: Monday 21 September 2015 12:33:31 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

From having spoken with people who worked on the show during Season 12, and speaking to a man who was a close friend of Jack's during that time, Jack's heart was not in it anymore. James MacArthur was gone, and Jack didn't want to work with William and Sharon. They were not even his choices for those roles. Remember Joe Moore's interview where he said that Jack offered him the role of Kimo Carew.

Jack was phoning it in my then, given what first assistant cameraman Lowell Peterson said when I interviewed him. Peterson worked on 19 episodes during Season 12. Jack filmed his scenes and left. He didn't stay to do rehearsals or off-camera stuff like he did in previous seasons. He wanted to get in and get out, fast. He wasn't even interested in learning his lines anymore, hence his use of cue cards then. He was angry and his temper was pushed to the maximum. He was also suffering from arthritis in his right hand and was physically tired, as you can see on film during that season.

William and Sharon are two of the nastiest people I have ever heard of. When the executive producer of the Biography special spoke to him on the phone, William said he hoped the rumors about how Jack spent his last days are true, "... because he deserved to die that way." So much for being a nice guy.

William is still accusing Jack of being racist because there weren't many blacks on the show and criticizing Jack for wearing makeup and hairspray, as though actors don't wear makeup and hairspray and wearing them indicates bad character.

Sharon is still a nut, accusing Jack of everything from ruining her marriage (thought it ended in 2006 - 27 years after she was off Hawaii Five-O) to claiming that he was a racist, too. Despite this, Unitel Video still filmed interviews with William and Sharon.

They are not honest people, nor have they any character. People can keep defending them all they want, but I know the truth.

Added: Monday 21 September 2015 08:25:09 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

Thanks, Mike!

Added: Monday 21 September 2015 08:40:25 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

I hope Mike will post this for me. I’ve rewritten what I posted yesterday. [The earlier posting has been removed - MQ.] One would think I’d learn not to try and rush through a piece when I know C is due in before I possibly can give it the time and attention it needs. So, here’s Draft 2:

For me, "A Lion in the Streets" illustrates much of what is wrong in Hawai'i, even today. The Hawaiian people want Hawai'i to be Hawaiian, as well they should, yet outsiders have been coming in, putting down roots, and stealing the show since Captain Cook landed in the 18th century.

In "A Lion in the Streets," it's the racketeers that want to move in and take over the labor unions — in this case, the resort workers union. On the one hand, the Mafia wants to take over organized crime in the islands. On the other hand, the kumu; that is, local organized crime, wants to take over the resort workers union. At the same time, the Hawaiian people are fighting to retain control of their own union.

Initially, it seems that Johnny Mio (Harry Guardino), a labor organizer from Boston, has been sent by the Mafia. It turns out that he’s working for Tony Alika (Ross Martin), leader of the kumu. In either case, the Hawaiians aren’t happy about it. After several candidates for union president are attacked and injured, Andy Kamoku (Paul L. Smith), descendent of Hawaiian royalty, steps up to bat — and he takes a literal baseball bat with him. To the complete approval — and delight — of the Hawaiian people, he smashes storefronts, turns over pool tables, and rips telephone cords from the walls of mob-owned businesses. In so doing, he even uncovers a boatload of marijuana and shuts down that industry.

The only problem is that Big Andy is operating outside the law, and he’s driven by a level of anger that just isn’t healthy. He has no faith at all in haole law, which too often protects the criminal at the expense of the victim. It is a point with which many haoles would agree, but Andy is too angry to see that. He’s a lion in the streets, a renegade with a good mission but a bad means of accomplishment.

What I like most about “A Lion in the Streets” is how well it is written and executed. The writer, Robert Janes, who clearly was the best writer throughout the entire series, knew his subject matter. He understood the problems of the Hawaiian people. He understood the efforts of organized crime to move into the islands. And he knew how to put it on paper in a story that was both informative and compelling. The director, Rezi Badiyi, who designed the title sequence, showed that his talent for creativity extended far beyond the North Shore waves. The actors gave 110%. The local actors might well have been Hollywood professionals in their portrayals. The guest stars came ready to work; Jack clearly didn’t have to lose his temper the week they filmed this episode. William Smith played his injured, yet still fighting, Kimo Carew expertly and perfectly against Jack’s by-the-book McGarrett. As LB said, something bad must have happened for this chemistry not to have lasted throughout Season 12. If it had lasted, so would have Hawaii Five-0.

As for my favorite scene, there are several. I like the union meetings, where Carew looks quietly on, taking note of who is who and making Johnny Mio very nervous. I like the scene where Big Andy is about to go out with a gun, and his petite wife (Barbara Luna) takes it away from him. I like the scene (two, actually) where Andy's son returns home and leaps into his father's arms. The child who played Andy’s son must really have liked Paul L. Smith to have behaved so naturally around him. I like the scene where a very humbled McGarrett goes to see his priest and asks him to persuade the kahuna to release him from the kapu. I like the scene where Duke and Truck return and ask what they can do to help.

And I like the scene when Andy and McGarrett are at Alika's house and each, in his own way, puts Alika out of business. The Hawaiian people retain control of their labor union, and Andy is allowed to keep his dignity.

Added: Monday 21 September 2015 08:19:09 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

It’s amazing how quickly that season 12 ran out of gas after a great start with “A Lion In The Streets” and “Who Says Cops Don’t Cry”. Both of these episodes did a great job in introducing the new characters for that season.

“A Lion In The Streets” had a very different feel from most other Five-O episodes. Rarely do you see a character such as Andy take on the mob so forcefully and directly. I like how plot elements such as Kimo tracking his family’s killer, Andy’s family life at home, and the curse placed on McGarrett are woven nicely into the story and are not unrelated sidebar stories like on current cop dramas. Also adding to the episode is the return of Mort Stevens’ music, which had been missing for a season or two. All of the guest stars played their roles almost flawlessly.

I have always been curious what went on behind the scenes during this season because William Smith and Sharon Farrell started out giving such strong performances, only to look like they totally didn’t care just a handful of episodes later. It must have been really bad for Farrell, given that she left the series after about five or six episodes. By the last few episodes, Smith was totally uninspired in his performances. This stands in stark contrast to his performance in Any Which Way You Can with Clint Eastwood just a few months later in 1980. He must have been quite unhappy on Five-O.

Added: Sunday 20 September 2015 18:00:11 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

You may have noticed two lists of favorite episodes that don't match posted under my name. I posted only one. My evil twin posted the other. Don't know what she was thinking. I'll have to have a serious word with her.

Added: Sunday 20 September 2015 10:12:48 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

HFO Forever
I'm happy that you placed A Lion In The Streets at the top of your list. It's probably underrated because it was Season 12 and that was the weird final year with the new characters Kimo, Lori, Truck etc. It's a brilliant episode to be sure. I love just about everything about it. You can see it escalate when Andy wanted HFO to do something about the situation Alika & Mio but McG could not prove Mio was involved in the injuries of the labor union candidates. I'm not one for crime and destruction but Andy made me smile when he went to the different places with the bat. The situation is compounded by Kimo wanting revenge on those who killed his wife and child and the taboo placed on McG. Kimo had a different philosophy than McG...It would have been interesting had HFO went 15 years how their relationship progressed. On my 6 star system, I would give 5.5 stars to A Lion In The Streets. I mark half star off for the ending. Question Of The Day:What did you like about Kimo in A Lion In The Streets and what is your FAV scene from the episode? John

Added: Saturday 19 September 2015 19:58:41 MST


Submitted by: Joekido
From: Colorado Springs

For me I have been knowing about Hawaii Five-O long before 2011 in some book I read in 2002 but it could be earlier but not sure where I got that from. I find it pretty funny how I was born in 1981, a year and two months after it was taken off air and could have caught the re-runs in 1985 but did not. It's not until I learn about the reboot did I finally took interest so when the first season of the reboot had already warped and the second season was coming. So when I research the reboot and how it was based on the original series and how I tried watching one episode of the reboot my first impression would be: "Just another generic cop show"

However looking into the reboot, I did not understand the series and all these hypes about it; I was looking into Netflix and found the original gem of the series and decided to watch it and boy I was quickly drawn into it that I almost watched the entire series and begun to understand the series. It was just so charming and intelligent, something the reboot lacked but it was meant to be that way.

Right now i'm waiting for Netflix to return 10 seasons back in the stream and awaiting season 6 of the reboot.

Added: Saturday 19 September 2015 12:56:31 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

Better late than never (I hope). Here are my rankings for the premieres and finales:

PREMIERES: 1. A Lion in the Streets, 2. Murder – Eyes Only, 3. Death is a Company Policy, 4. Hookman, 5. The Sleeper, 6. Highest Castle, Deepest Grave, 7. Nine Dragons, 8. The Sleeper, 9. A Thousand Pardons, You’re Dead, 10. Full Fathom Five, 11. Up the Rebels, 12. The Young Assassins

FINALES: 1. Woe to Wo Fat, 2. A Death in the Family, 3. 30,000 Rooms, and I Have the Key, 4. 6,000 Deadly Tickets, 5. Year of the Horse, 6. Jury of One, 7. The Big Kahuna, 8. Practical Jokes Can Kill You, 9. A Sentence to Steal, 10. The Grandstand Play, 11. Kiss the Queen Goodbye, 12. R&R&R

Added: Saturday 19 September 2015 12:52:53 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Happy Birthday to Paul Williams who played Stringer in Season 11 Stringer episode. He was the short blond guy with the peddie cab causing Alika problems with his camera. One of best Season 11 Episodes. Thanks for Classic HFO fans showing their Premiere and Finale lists. Tomorrow Sept 20th that's when HFO launched first episode 47 years ago. My cousin was born Sept 1968 so he's old as HFO.
The new HFO has lasted past 5 years and starting Season 6. I think most would agree Jack Lord & HFO episodes had more substance and better writing but new HFO will flash brilliance with the Pearl Harbor episode and the Chin interrogation episode.
Curious what you will remember from new HFO when it decides to call it a day. Maybe, the incredible drone attack episode and it's stealth movement or the Halloween episodes. It could be Chin Ho's story during the interrogation. Could be the beautiful DA and McG solving the case his Dad could not. Have a good day HFO fans! John

Added: Saturday 19 September 2015 12:52:35 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I started watching Five-0 on the local (KVOS, Bellingham, WA) TV station in the mid-90s and taping these shows every day. I also got copies of some episodes from pals in the States. I would then dub them, removing the commercials, on to T-160 tapes (you could fit 3 shows on one T-160). I did this for almost all the episodes. So I ended up with 278 plus shows this way (there are variants on some of these, like 2-part shows edited by the TV station or CBS into 1-part which were run on TBS and so forth). But I >never< watched these tapes again ... ever! More recently I gave almost all of the tapes away on Craigslist for free.

This was very reminiscent of when I was much younger, I would record the entire soundtrack of a movie on to a reel to reel tape as it was broadcast on TV, then edit out only the soundtrack parts to a cassette. This process took so much time and I had to listen to the same music over and over, by the time I was finished, I ended up with this cassette which I also never listened to again!

Added: Saturday 19 September 2015 08:59:29 MST


Submitted by: Otto
From: NYC

YO, Big Chick, Ringfire and Rainbow, it's been a while since i've been here. When i moved to NY in '87, WOR started showing Five-O at 4:00p. I was working during that hour so i bought a 10 pack of VHS tapes and set the timer on the VCR. I managed to get about half the episodes through season 6. Even though i've since bought the DVDs of all those seasons, but i can't bring myself to get rid of those tapes, commercials and all. I'd been a huge fan of the FIVE from way back, and the chance to record episodes was some prestige biz! Sometimes you would see splices in the film and whole scenes just cut, but it was great.

Added: Friday 18 September 2015 19:37:17 MST


Submitted by: W. Goin
From: Chicago, IL

I LOVE Hawaii 5 0 but I can't stand that they've brought Katherine back. I have more chemistry with my mailman than she and Steve have together.

There has NEVER been an ounce of a spark between the two of them. Their relationship takes boring to a whole other realm - downward.

May have to actually find something else to watch. This is just so disappointing. :!shake: :!shake:

Added: Friday 18 September 2015 18:11:51 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Classic HFO Fans

My FINALES Classic HFO List. 1.R&R&R 2.6,000 Deadly Tickets 3.A Death In The Family 4.30,000 Rooms 5.The Grandstand Play 6.Jury Of One 7.Kiss The Queen Goodbye 8.The Big Kahuna 9.Year Of The Horse 10.Practical Jokes Can Kill You 11.Woe To Wo Fat 12.A Sentence To Steal.

Ralston was an incredible organized offender and revenge killer in R&R&R.That scene when he throws Mrs. Nichols off the cliff is chilling. Excellent episode! I love 6,000 Deadly Tickets! The bomber throws it lefthanded from the car blowing out Ollie's storefront. Spectacular authentic bombing. The canal chase makes it a HFO classic. Chin Ho's death affected us all in Death In The Family. He was there rain or shine for 10 seasons. McG honored Chin by capturing Rego Chin's killer and booking him himself.
Spotlight Feature-KISS THE QUEEN GOODBYE! I think 2 stars is a good grade. There are several question marks in this episode. The Good-The scenery around the Mahaka Inn was spectacular and the ceremony was authentic. Loved McG in the red outfit. Always good to see Joanne Linville this time as Janet Kingston. Another excellent performance by her.I also enjoyed how the crime started in New York and Janet had the fake Queen Of Polynesia.
The Bad-Plenty of questions. What happened to Amanda's parents and how did Thurman Elliott become guardian? There's also the strange relationship between Janet & Michael. I have questions about Elliott and his retired actor Broadway star. Stealing the necklace for example. With his fame and notoriety, why wouldn't he just sell it to one of his actor friends or somebody in that circle? How did he become so poor? Elliott should just have called Michael's bluff. It would have been his word against a famous actor. Michael and his criminal enterprise would have been exposed by McG and HFO detectives if case was pressed. It appears Janet & Michael have combined in crime before.
A fantastic scene was McG stating his case why the ceremony should be postponed. He showed how the stolen Queen Of Polynesia in New York could be switched at the Hawaii ceremony for the real one. John

Added: Friday 18 September 2015 15:06:44 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

HFO Fans Classic Variety.
Here's my FAV Premieres Classic Hawaii Five-O. Tough task but has to be done. 1.Highest Castle, Deepest Grave 2.Hookman 3.Nine Dragons 4.And A Time To Die...5.A Thousand Pardons 6.A Lion In The Streets 7.Full Fathom Five 8.Death Is A Company Policy 9.Murder-Eyes Only 10.Up The Rebels 11.The Young Assassins 12.The Sleeper.
Love the other lists. Can't go wrong with 8 or 9 different lists Premieres. Will do my Finales another time. John

Added: Thursday 17 September 2015 21:38:35 MST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Seattle

Vrinda recall that “I also remember the scene at Annie's place, when Steve tells the blonde-haired hippy to stop throwing that chain around or he'll be swallowing it. “

Vrinda – I loved that Jack is smilin when he deliver them lines. Early seasons McG was jus too cool. McGarrett finesse that whole situation rather than engagin with them counter-cultureres. Gotta bring in the girl and clear his boy Danno, no time for trifling with the rabble.

Glad to have another WOR graduate in da house! An “Painted Daisies” is quite the intro ep. Me & me kid brother quickly took a likin to that ep, endlessly recitin the Chicken’s pronouncements verbatim.

Hey Ringfire – yeah “Blood Money” got some great lines and dialogue all round. I can dig it, baby!

Added: Thursday 17 September 2015 20:19:41 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I found three entries for the forum which were "stuck": John Chergi and Joe Kido, September 6th and H50 1.0 FOREVER, September 10th. These have been fixed. This would have interfered with these people's ability to post more...

Added: Thursday 17 September 2015 07:35:57 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Sunny Goodge Street is a song on the second album by English hippie singer Donovan, which dates from 1965. It was also a hit for the Vancouver folk singer Tom Northcott which reached #20 on the 1967 Canadian pop music charts. Goodge Street is an actual London underground station. Donovan achieved a certain notoriety for his song Mellow Yellow which was supposedly about smoking banana peels. Frank Zappa ridiculed this in a song. I discussed this song in an Internet forum in 1993: http://www.arf.ru/Notes/Tinsel/blight.html (not the banana reference specifically, search for the phrase "micro-Nanette".

Added: Thursday 17 September 2015 07:13:13 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Dig-ville

Yeaaah, Hawaii is the 50th state, maaan. I dig, baby, I diiiig.

Not sure what the origins of "sunny good(e) street" are but I always loved that line. "Blood Money" has a lot of great zingers!! I googled and saw that there's a song called "Sunny Goodge Street". Not sure if there's a connection.

Added: Thursday 17 September 2015 06:07:58 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

I first saw Hawaii Five-O on WOR in the late eighties. I was seven years old and it was the summer after the first grade. I watched while sitting on a patched green carpet the same as the one in Dominick Vashon's study. The first episode I ever saw was "... And They Painted Daisies on His Coffin." I can still see McGarrett telling Big Chicken that he'll he runs for the door again, he'll break his leg. I also remember the scene at Annie's place, when Steve tells the blonde-haired hippy to stop throwing that chain around or he'll be swallowing it.

Those things remain in a seven-year-old's mind, even 27 years later. I had the pleasure of speaking to John D. F. Black last year and I told him about watching that episode. He thought I meant it in a negative way when I said that the scene with McGarrett beating up Big Chicken stayed in my mind all these years and he said he was sorry to hear that. I told him that was not a bad thing at all - that Big Chicken was a slimeball and deserved what he got, and Black agreed with me on that!

Added: Wednesday 16 September 2015 22:38:55 MST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Seattle

Hey Rainbow Warrior – is good to hear we came up thru the Five-O academy the same way. Gettin schooled in Island Policin by McGarrett & the Boys via the WOR. No doubt that account for us bein simpatico on a lotta our Five-O takes. And Chicken roots for the Warriors as well, don’t really have no other college team.

Hey RingFire – Jovanko brothers & Augie are movin in, man. McGarrett betta head back to sunny goode street!

But Steve-O sez Hawaii be the fitieth state – it ain’t no Cleveland or Cuba, Dominican Republic or Laos. You dig?"

Added: Wednesday 16 September 2015 19:40:12 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

As long as we're talking U of H (my daughter attended there for a year but decided one year on an island, being away from everyone and everything was enough),

In "The Young Assasins", in the car chase where the woman (Vera) from the People's Attack Group crashes, in the background you can see the skeletal frame of Aloha Stadium in its construction stage.

Added: Wednesday 16 September 2015 15:00:14 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I hear that Victor Jovanko and Augie are big fans of the U of H Warriors. Gotta keep them 2 cats away from that stadium. That cat Jovanko thinks that Hawaii is like Cleveland with coconuts. Wrong, baby!! Like dig???

Added: Wednesday 16 September 2015 10:22:34 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Big Chicken:

You know it is amazing how similar our childhoods with Five-O were. I started watching Five-O in early junior high and right through my early twenties too. The two NYC superstations were the best with WOR9 and WPIX11 that just had great programming all the time. WOR was the station to be watching!

I agree with you that I noticed early on that Five-O was so much better than the other cop shows of its time. It still gives me a rush!

I agree with everything you say on Season Five especially "Jinn" being possibly the best Wo Fat episode(love the ending) and the nastiest villain in the "Listener"

Seahawks should get McGarrett Kings( maybe they then can get one yard!)and I love U of H Warrior football. Always watch them when they are on the TV, especially because their band plays the theme from Hawaii Five-O!

Go Warriors!

Added: Wednesday 16 September 2015 07:33:06 MST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Sea-Town, No-no-West

Hey Rainbow Warrior,

Thanks for the kind words, brudda. I most enjoyed your summer a season 5 reviews and the shout out you gave to WOR, Channel 9 in the NYC. Cause Chicken caught all his Five-Ohs on WOR back in the day, when he was a young'un. I tuned in @ 6pm on a summer evenin in the late 80s to catch 'Nightmare in Blue' and it just blew my mind. That was my inaugural ep, and I was way hooked - watchin reruns religiously from junior high thru to college.

And I was a huge 70s cop show head prior, viewin everythin from Starsky&Hutch to Baretta, Rookies n Streets O' San Francisco. But what hit me - even after just one ep - was how the Five-O was jus so much better than all them other policers. Is like I'd been drinkin cheap wine for years and someone gave me a bottle a cognac!

Reflectin on Season 5, while is always rightfully known for the Vashon trilogy, it has arguably the best Wo Fat ep in 'Jinn,' possibly the best Danno-centric ep/James MacArthur performance with 'Pig ina Blanket' and a lead candidate for top psychotic villain a the entire series in "Listener" (Cerberus got my vote, man). And that ain't even mentioning heavyweight eps like "Clock Struck Twelve," fan faves like "Family Crook," and the Kam Fong-Chin Ho tour da force 'Engaged 2b Buried.' Quite a season, indeed.

So go Macgarrett Kings! Too bad he aint playin for the U of H Warriors.

Added: Tuesday 15 September 2015 21:13:23 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

I have posted this before, but while watching the college football game between Oregon and Michigan State on Saturday Night, the power of Jack Lord's performance was shown once again, as I kept hearing the name of Macgarrett Kings called as one of the players for Michigan State.

http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2013/09/confident_michigan_state_recei.html

Unfortunately he has had a few problems with the law recently

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/michigan-state-s-macgarrett-kings-pleads-guilty-to-littering-173824476.html

I agree with Fred, as I always liked "Kiss the Queen Goodbye" for the same reasons he listed.

Agree Chicken: "R&R&R" was brutal for its violence. Always special when Big Chicken makes an appearance in the forum.

Added: Monday 14 September 2015 07:02:07 MST


Submitted by: Wiseguy70005
From: USA

Other series include:

Jim Rockford, Private Investigator (The Rockford Files)
The Raymond Burr Show (Ironside)
Robert Young, Family Doctor (Marcus Welby, MD)
Happy Days Again (Happy Days)
Laverne & Shirley & Company (Laverne & Shirley)

As far as I know, the first filmed series NOT to have its name changed was M*A*S*H. The practiced died down soon after.

Added: Monday 14 September 2015 02:32:08 MST


Submitted by: Jeff
From: Denver

My 2-cents:

Premieres:
1. And a Time to Die...(Season 3 was my overall favorite, btw; great plot done on MANNIX a year or two earlier, but executed much better here)
2. Nine Dragons (my 3rd favorite season, nice James Bond-flavor to it)
3. Hookman (my 2nd favorite season)
4. Highest Castle, Deepest Grave (Herbert Lom steals this one away from Jack Lord)
5. Full Fathom Five (Kevin McCarthy is one of the all-time great bad guys)
6. A Thousand Pardons--You're Dead (Sergeant Simms-another great villain)
7. The Young Assassins
8. Death is a Company Policy
9. Murder--Eyes Only (boring, horrible finale in Part 2)
10. A Lion in the Streets (some bad acting in this one, but a highlight of Season 12)
11. Up the Rebels (can't get into the whole IRA plot for some reason)
12. The Sleeper (awful, bad acting everywhere, major plot defects)

Finales (not so crazy about many of these since a lot of the seasons ran out of gas in the writing department by season's end)
1. The Grandstand Play (Part 1--better than Part 2,which consisted of endless shots of Gary wandering around town and the ballpark; felt very padded)
2. A Death in the Family (good villains, great performances, great way for Chin to go out)
3. R&R&R (love the bad guy in this, and the ladies)
4. Jury of One (excellent final act)
5. The Big Kahuna (a guilty pleasure)
6. Kiss the Queen Goodbye (great guest cast, ok story)
7. 6,000 Deadly Tickets
8. Woe to Wo Fat (another guilty pleasure--so bad it's good)
9. 30,000 Rooms and I Have the Key (warmed-over Filer)
10. Practical Jokes Can Kill You
11. Year of the Horse
12. A Sentence to Steal

Added: Saturday 12 September 2015 18:02:49 MST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Back from the Coop

Ringfire say For a Million, Why Not's "Hawkins was a sadist. He even shot our boy Manicote in cold cold blood. Bummer! I guess maybe he was afraid that Manicote was gonna bury him with peace and poetry and pot. So he set him straight."

Hey Brudda RingFire - sorry bouts the long delayed reply, but your las post was so entertainin it took Chicken a while to thinks up a retort!

And further meditatin on why we so dig recurrin Five-O heavy Sam Melville - he a pretty boy like Jimmy Mac, but Sammy got that nasty, edginess to em. Chicken love when Jerry Baybee puts that knife to Bobby G’s throat early in “Tiger.’ That’s some ominous foreshadowin & Jerry find pretendin to cut his buddy’s throat a gas! It just breaks him up, BAYBEE. Like Hawkins laughingly reminiscin bout mailin that Saigon gal ‘back to her folks.’ Even Sam’s loverboy Gary O lay a beatin on that Gloria chick,landin her in the hospi-taal. But, yeah, wastin Manicote was kinda cold. Dig Bad Ben nonshalantly cleanin his shades while Manicote gets popped.

So the answer to yo question is Meville aint no place. Like the Five-O - Melville a state a mind, brudda. And Moby Dick not only be a great book, but an even better drum solo!! :D

Lastly, "Lion" and "Horse" be exceptional eps, but for sheer scale and audaciousness - Chicken gotta go with "9 Dragons' as best opener. Wo Fat rules, man. Got Hookman, Thousan Pardons & Young Assassins as my runners up.

And always loved Grandstand Play, but gotta pick the brutal ‘R&R & R’ as top finale. Like you say, Rainbow Warrior, the violent experience of Vietnam reverberate all thru that ep.

Chicken, Out

Added: Friday 11 September 2015 23:23:18 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

"I'm always surprised at the love for "A Lion in the Streets" and "The Year of the Horse"."

Ringfire: Why do I like "The Year of the Horse"? Two words. Victoria Principal. Well that and McGarrett rescuing the damsel in distress and the two good buddies that are divided by the evil business they are in. I'll admit that the sky tram scene is ridiculous.

As far as "A Lion in the Streets", it's the Star Wars story of the rebels against the Evil Empire. The Evil Empire being the union thugs and Tony Alika. Andy is a sympathetic but strong character that the audience is bound to feel for. We also get introduced to Kimo who is also set up to lend our sympathy. And yes, I get my pretty face in Barbara Luna, one of Captain Kirk's many flames.

For me, the two part episodes has nothing to do with it. I can do without an extra hour on "Murder - Eyes Only" and I'm fairly neutral about "Nine Dragons".

I'm surprised that Mr. Mike doesn't care for "Kiss the Queen Goodbye". I enjoy that episode. It's a decent script with a decently plotted heist. We get the catchy tune the kids sing that is repeated in a dozen other episodes in varying forms. And we get Joanne Linville who was very good in the episode as well as in a Star Trek episode where she lets her guard down commanding her Romulan ship while wooing Spock.

On a side note, I recently re-watched an episode of The Streets of San Francisco that Luther Adler (Vashon, the Patriarch) guest stars. Adler was also in "How to Steal a Masterpiece. And I've always wondered how actors like Jack Lord keep it together when he gets introduced to Charles Ogden in Masterpiece. How come he doesn't blurt out "You look like an old nemesis of mine?".

Guest stars being recast as different characters are very unlikely now. Back then, you could watch the show when it aired and possibly on a rerun and then not for years until it's syndicated. It was harder to keep track of return guests. Today, with DVDs, DVR and IMDB, it's too easy to keep track of return guests.

Added: Friday 11 September 2015 06:42:29 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I'm always surprised at the love for "A Lion in the Streets" and "The Year of the Horse". The latter in particular I always had a hard time getting through when shown in syndication - the fact that it's a 2-parter/2-hr episode doesn't help matters. Can't believe folks are placing it above "30,000 Rooms" (the spiritual successor to the Filer episodes) and "R&R--&R" (in Mike's case). Those 2 are my favorite season finales.

Anyhow, thanks for the replies. Let's keep it going...

Added: Thursday 10 September 2015 19:27:55 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

This wasn't easy, but this comes close.

PREMIERES

8. Murder - Eyes Only
12. A Lion in the Streets
5. Death is a Company Policy
6. Hookman
1. Full Fathom Five
3. And A Time to Die...
11. The Sleeper
2. A Thousand Pardons - You're Dead!
7. The Young Assassins
10. Up the Rebels
9. Nine Dragons
4. Highest Castle, Deepest Grave

FINALES

11. The Year of the Horse
10. A Death in the Family
12. Woe to Wo Fat
6. 30,000 Rooms and I Have a Key
7. 6,000 Deadly Tickets
1. The Big Kahuna
4. R&R -- & R
3. The Grandstand Play
5. Jury of One
9. Practical Jokes Can Kill You
8. A Sentence to Steal
2. Kiss the Queen Goodbye

Added: Thursday 10 September 2015 17:23:48 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

Ok, I'll play the premiers/finales ranking game

PREMIERS

6. Hookman
1. Full Fathom Five
2. A Thousand Pardons - You're Dead!
3. And A Time to Die...
9. Nine Dragons
12. A Lion in the Streets
7. The Young Assassins
5. Death is a Company Policy
4. Highest Castle, Deepest Grave
8. Murder - Eyes Only
10. Up the Rebels
11. The Sleeper

Finales

3. The Grandstand Play
2. Kiss the Queen Goodbye
7. 6,000 Deadly Tickets
4. R&R -- & R
11. The Year of the Horse
6. 30,000 Rooms and I Have a Key
10. A Death in the Family
9. Practical Jokes Can Kill You
5. Jury of One
12. Woe to Wo Fat
1. The Big Kahuna
8. A Sentence to Steal

Added: Thursday 10 September 2015 11:11:15 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Premieres and finales. These are based on my ratings, which is problematic, because there are six 4-star episodes in the premiere list!

PREMIERES

9. Nine Dragons
6. Hookman
2. A Thousand Pardons - You're Dead!
4. Highest Castle, Deepest Grave
12. A Lion in the Streets
8. Murder - Eyes Only
3. And A Time to Die...
7. The Young Assassins
1. Full Fathom Five
10. Up the Rebels
5. Death is a Company Policy (re-viewing pending)
11. The Sleeper

FINALES

3. The Grandstand Play
11. The Year of the Horse
9. Practical Jokes Can Kill You
5. Jury of One
10. A Death in the Family
7. 6,000 Deadly Tickets
12. Woe to Wo Fat
6. 30,000 Rooms and I Have a Key
4. R&R -- & R
8. A Sentence to Steal
1. The Big Kahuna
2. Kiss the Queen Goodbye

Added: Wednesday 09 September 2015 21:06:28 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Rainbow,

"Jury of One" was indeed a nice way to end season 5. It's a good, solid episode. It's not a classic like others earlier in the season but certainly an improvement over the last few like "The Diamond That Nobody Stole", "Percentage", and "The Odd Lot Caper".

Hey, how about we rank the season premieres and finales? Let me take a stab at this.

Premieres:

1. Hookman (S6)
2. The Young Assassins (S7)
3. Full Fathom Five (S1)
4. A Thousand Pardons - You're Dead! (S2)
5. And a Time to Die (S3)
6. Death is a Company Policy (S5)
7. Nine Dragons (S9)
8. Up the Rebels (S10)
9. Highest Castle - Deepest Grave (S4)
10. Murder - Eyes Only (S8)
11. The Sleeper (S11)
12. A Lion in the Streets (S12)

Finales:

1. 30,000 Rooms and I Have the Key (S6)
2. R&R&R (S4)
3. A Death in the Family (S10)
4. Practical Jokes Can Kill You (S9)
5. Kiss the Queen Goodbye (S2)
6. 6,000 Deadly Tickets (S7)
7. Jury of One (S5)
8. The Grandstand Play (S3)
9. The Big Kahuna (S1)
10. Woe to Wo Fat (S12)
11. The Year of the Horse (S11)
12. A Sentence to Steal (S8)

Many of these are too close to call and are pretty interchangeable. I did my best.

Added: Wednesday 09 September 2015 20:18:51 MST


Submitted by: Jeff
From: Denver

I used to record the CBS Late Movie "McGarrett" reruns circa 1986-87 after I started watching WOR reruns during the daytime, and while they were mostly all reruns of Season 12, there was at least one occasion where they ran a season 11 episode (using the " Hawaii Five-O" title instead of "McGarrett", even though the tv listings had it as "McGarrett";). The episode was new to me, "The Execution File", since it wasn't in syndication until a few years later.

Wow, I can remember that from almost 30 years ago, but I can't remember what I did last Saturday.

Added: Wednesday 09 September 2015 19:25:04 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

Regarding different program names in syndicated reruns, I believe this was mainly done in the '70s and early '80s.

During this era, I don't believe that programs were shown in syndicated reruns while also still running in prime time. In fact, Mannix was cancelled in 1975 because Paramount wanted to show late night reruns of the show on ABC, and CBS didn't renew because they thought it would ruin the current version running on their network in prime time. I'm not sure what the networks were thinking then, as the reruns would help introduce a series to new viewers and allow viewers who became interested in a series mid-way through its' run to view the earlier episodes.

With Five-O, I believe only Season 12 episodes were rerun on CBS Late Night with the McGarrett title. That would make sense in that McGarrett was really the only noteworthy Five-O character left by the last season.

Added: Wednesday 09 September 2015 18:15:51 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

Yes, Rich. Streaming Netflix. I own the DVDs, which are better than streaming. So far, there has been only one difference between them: In "Sing a Song of Suspense," the streaming episode omits a part of the scene where McGarrett drives up to the beach house, we see the street number beside the front door, and he is greeted by Chelsea Merriman with a quip about his late hours. Instead, just before the house number comes into view, it switches to the following morning with McGarrett and Chelsea having breakfast. Can't imagine why this happens, unless someone made a mistake in editing?????

Added: Wednesday 09 September 2015 16:41:07 MST


Submitted by: Ed
From: Honolulu

It was even a practice in the 1950's and 1960's for TV to change the titles of movies that were being shown late at night, etc. I know a lot of the John Wayne movies of the 1930's had their names changed. Also the 1937 movie, Kid Galahad. The title was changed to "The Battling Bellhop" to differentiate from the 1962 Elvis Presley movie of that title.

Added: Wednesday 09 September 2015 12:32:25 MST


Submitted by: Rich
From: Pittsburgh, PA

To H50 1.0 FOREVER:

When you said only seasons 11-12 are available on Netflix, perhaps you do streaming?....I get DVD's/Blu Ray's from Netflix (I don't do the streaming), and on DVD, seasons 1-10 are available wit exception of Season 6

Added: Wednesday 09 September 2015 12:02:13 MST


Submitted by: Will
From: Seattle

"I can't think of other shows where the name was changed for syndication."

It was fairly common for longer-running shows entering syndication while still running on a network. Other examples include:

Badge 714 (b & w Dragnet)
Marshall Dillon (Gunsmoke)
Andy of Mayberry (The Andy Griffith Show)
Emergency One (Emergency!)

Added: Tuesday 08 September 2015 15:34:51 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Hi Guys,

In the late 1970's CBS didn't have anything to go up against the other networks late night talk shows, so they would have a late show type of programming and they would get old episodes of Hawaii Five-O and rename it "McGarrett" just for the 11:30 pm time slot. They didn't want the audience to think that they were running brand new episodes of Five-O late at night, so they renamed the reruns "McGarrett" just for the late night slot. I remember being a young kid up in the summers around 1977-1979 and seeing one once. I read somewhere that CBS was the sponser behind this renaming for their late night slot. They used to show a bunch of old shows in that slot back then. If I am wrong, someone please correct me.

Added: Tuesday 08 September 2015 10:34:38 MST


Submitted by: honu59
From: New York

"I can't think of other shows where the name was changed for syndication."

John, I'm not sure which decade it was, but I can remember watching reruns of "Bonanza" that were being broadcast with the title "Ponderosa." I think it was even listed in the TV Guide as "Ponderosa." I also thought that it was strange to change the name, but maybe it was a thing back then.

Added: Tuesday 08 September 2015 09:31:24 MST


Submitted by: John Hall
From: Montreal Canada

Ben,

What I meant is why they would have changed the name of the show to McGarrett. Perhaps hoping old fans of 5-O would think it was some kind of sequel?

I can't think of other shows where the name was changed for syndication.

By the way the syndication package I mentioned earlier that I was watching in the early 80's also did not include the pilot. I' didn't know it existed.

My interest in H5O disappeared through the 80's. What rekindled it was stumbling across a french version of the show on a cable channel while surfing with the remote in the mid 90's. They only were playing a few seasons but seeing H5O in crystal clear quality sparked my interest again despite not really understanding the french voice overs.

I pulled out my old tapes and stumbled onto the early internet (I believe it was this website) and found for the first time a full listing of episodes. My collector genes kicked in and I began the challenge of having every episode.

I rounded up almost every episode from two other people I found on the net who were selling VHS copies of tapes they had made back in the 80's like me.

Around the time Columbia House began releasing select episodes on VHS I bought on eBay a set of 74 DVD's that had every episode including "bored" and the 1997 never broadcast pilot.

Added: Tuesday 08 September 2015 09:13:50 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

I wrapped up season five with "Jury of One" and this one I had seen plenty of times in syndication and I always thought it was a good episode. While lacking a bit to make it a four star must see episode, I always liked the "who is it?" hunt for the tainted juror, and while McG finds the little girl a little too quickly for my tastes at the end, that last couple of scenes where he finds her in the house and he brings her into the courtroom to save the day are priceless and it was a great way to end the highest rated season in Five-O's history.

I always thought that the "Grandstand Play" was the best season finale of the first five years. It was a well written and fleshed out two parter which ended the season with a really good story, and it gave you something to look forward to during the entire season.

The fourth season ender was next with "R&R&R" because of how violent it was and Mcg getting stabbed in the hand at the end, plus dealing with the country's open wound of the Vietnam War. "Jury of One" then came next as I felt that the season one and two finales were just nice but nothing special.

That wraps my summer of season five from classic Five-O!

Added: Tuesday 08 September 2015 06:08:11 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

That's strange. On Netflix, I can only get Seasons 11 and 12. They took away Seasons 1-10 about a month ago.

Added: Monday 07 September 2015 14:17:31 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Classic HFO Fans.
I think Season 10 is when some of the decline in HFO can be seen. Up The Rebels was a strong episode and Tsunami was creative and inventive for its time. The Invitation To Murder episode was very unique to HFO and I'm a big fan of Eugenie. There was When Does A War End? in Season 10. One of the worst. Angel In Blue was okay. Good acting but a thin story. Some I never have seen.
Speaking of Columbo, the HFO Season 11 The Meighan Conspiracy is similar to Columbo. McG focuses in on Meighan early and gently grinds down the pair through observation and strong detective work. I wonder if Jack Lord had Columbo in mind when acting in this episode. Love the ending with McG discovering the shifting floor mechanism. Really cool!
Here's the Question Of The Day! Who did you like more Norman Klane in The Skyline Killer or Clem Brown in Didn't We Meet At A Murder? Pirates take 1-0 lead on Real Deal Walker RBI vs. Cardinals. John

Added: Sunday 06 September 2015 18:12:01 MST


Submitted by: Joekido
From: Colorado Springs

I just checked Netflix, Rich. It's still season 11 and 12, other seasons are not there.

Oh and who is pumped up; or rather head-banging for season six?

Added: Sunday 06 September 2015 16:25:24 MST


Submitted by: Rich
From: Pittsburgh

On Netflix, the first 10 seasons of H50 are available, EXCEPT for season 6, which includes some of my favorite episodes "Hookman" & "Murder is a Taxing Affair"....Season 6 was available say a year or so ago, but now it has the green save button instead of the red add to que....Does anyone know why Season 6 was pulled, perhaps its a content issue between Netflix and CBS?...

Added: Sunday 06 September 2015 14:36:20 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

John Hall,

Here in Philly in our syndication package in the late 90s FIVE-0 was also shown largely in sequence (both seasons and episodes). Actually the seasons were always in sequence - meaning they would never jump from season 3 to season 7, etc. As for the episodes they too were largely in sequence but not always in the exact order in which they were aired during their original run (or the order Mr. Mike has them in his episode guide). For instance I distinctly remember season 3 being shown in this order - And a Time to Die, Trouble in Mind, The Second Shot, Time and Memories, The Guarnerius Caper, The Ransom (so far this order is correct) but then Beautiful Screamer, The Last Eden, Over Fifty? Steal, Force of Waves, The Reunion, The Late John Louisiana, The Double Wall, The Payoff (here it got shuffled out of order a bit), then it was back on track with Paniolo, Ten Thousand Diamonds, To Kill or Be Killed, ........ I noticed something similar with seasons 5 and 7 too. But by and large the episodes were fairly sequential. Hookman was always the start of season 6 and Nine Dragons the start of season 9 and the season finales were also always correct.

"And it's fun to watch the old ads from 30 odd years ago."

Absolutely!! I have a few old VHS tapes and watching those old commercials is actually more exciting than watching the actual program that was recorded. :D You can always get the movie or the episode from Netflix or other sources (and in much better quality too) but there's no other way to see those old commercials except on those VHS tapes. Hey, maybe there's a market out there for old TV commercials. Digitally remastered old commercials on DVD??? Bring it on!! :D

Added: Friday 04 September 2015 18:33:12 MST


Submitted by: Jeff
From: Denver

In 1986, I got hooked on H5O via WOR on cable TV out in Montana. They had the early Season 1-9 package, plus a few Season 10's, for a total of 200 episodes, then they added the rest of Season 10 plus 11 and 12 and various missing earlier-season shows, somewhere around 1989--they also switched from scratchy faded cut-up 16mm prints to better videotape transfers at that point.

I lived in Orlando from 1991-2001, and during most of those years, WOFL Fox 35 showed the Season 1-12 package as well (at one point they aired 2-3 episodes per weekday), minus "Six Kilos" for some reason until I got a copy sometime around 1999. I recorded most of the shows during those years and wore out my tapes from years of re-watching them until the DVDs came along.

BTW, it was around 1997 or 1998 or so that I discovered Mr. Mike's H5O site and the Guestbook--been occasionally contributing ever since! Hats off to you, Mike!

Added: Friday 04 September 2015 06:30:57 MST


Submitted by: Ben Masters
From: Fountain Inn, SC

John Hall: the reason why the final-season (1979-80) episodes were called McGarrett is because CBS had rerun them in late night in the 80s as part of the CBS Late Movie (later the CBS Late Night Movie), IIRC.

Added: Thursday 03 September 2015 15:40:10 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

Ringfire,

"Chain of Events" was not included in our syndication package either. Sensitive topic I guess. Although Qunicy M.E. had a very similar episode that they re-ran all the time.

Added: Thursday 03 September 2015 11:19:02 MST


Submitted by: John Hall
From: Montreal, canada

I got hooked on Five-O in the early 80's (81-84) as a teenager. The local CBS affiliate across the border in Vermont (WCAX)played H5O for a few years right after the 11 o'clock news Monday to Friday.

They must have been using a specific syndication package because i went through 2 or 3 cycles and they played the same episodes each cycle. Basically they played seasons 1 to 7 and the 9th. No 8 for some reason. I think 10-12 were not syndicated yet or were at a higher price than older episodes.

Sadly in 1983 it got bumped by some kind of CBC late night show that was a mix of different syndicated shows on different nights. One of the shows in this loop was season 12 but renamed McGarrett for some reason.

The seasons seemed reasonably complete but since I didn't have access in pre-internet days to an episode listing I'm not sure. While the seasons played in sequence the episodes were only somewhat in sequence.

I still have a dozen or so VHS tapes of episodes from back then but the combination of having a roof antenna and taping at the 6 hour speed (I was on a teenager budget) over and over leaves much to be desired quality wise. Still they were much more complete than the later hacked compressed family channel versions. And it's fun to watch the old ads from 30 odd years ago.

Added: Thursday 03 September 2015 10:28:52 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Mike:

If this is true. This is a good casting decision. Sarah Carter is a really good actress. If the writing is as lame as it has always been, it will not change much, but I really like her. She might be able to teach Grace Park how to act.

http://tvline.com/2015/09/01/hawaii-five-0-season-6-cast-sarah-carter-mcgarrett-girlfriend/

Added: Thursday 03 September 2015 10:19:47 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Jimmy Borges is hanging out with Nancy Kwan. Facebook membership not required to view.

https://www.facebook.com/jimmyborges/media_set?set=a.10205707690070694.1073741845.1208495377&type=3

Added: Thursday 03 September 2015 08:20:27 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Thank God for the DVD's!!!

Ringfire: As to your 2nd post on political correctness. Well said and I couldn't agree more! Bravo! :!clap:

Added: Thursday 03 September 2015 06:29:01 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Good talk HFO! I remember some of the old episodes on Channel 59 and ME-TV later in Pgh. I remember them playing Seasons 1-7 with Cocoon included. When it hit 6000 Deadly Tickets the last episodes, it would return back to Season 1. I remember NY WWOR would play some HFO episodes on the cable system 80's early 90's. It was my friend's cable don't know if they played them all. I remember episodes like The Waterfront Steal "He's gutshot!" and "Mother's Deadly Helper" and Tsunami. That was good variety in seasons. Sometimes 59, they would sprinkle in The Year Of The Horse or Lion In The Streets a later one. As the posters have stated, certain episodes were skipped altogether. Still have never seen Ring Of Life, Tall On The Wave, The Big Aloha, Season 10 or that VD episode. I finally watched Invitation To Murder this year. My sister and I liked when they started showing Season 12 HFO as late teenagers. They had that scene when Truck went up the mountain in Voice Of Terror. They really bungled that gas thing with the other man blown up and Truck injured. We usually liked Truck because he had bad luck in his episodes. John

Added: Wednesday 02 September 2015 20:07:37 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Fred,

What you're describing sounds similar to our syndication package that we had here in Philly some time in the early 00s (around 2001, 2002, 2003) - on channel 48, before it became TBN (a Christian channel). They would show most of the episodes from seasons 1 through 6 and then starting around season 7 they would show less and less episodes, until they would only show about 10 episodes (if that) per season by the time they got to the 10th season. That said, I seem to recall that even during seasons 1-6 they would skip certain episodes. Actually season 1 was largely intact (and I think most of season 2 also) but I think starting with season 3 I noticed some episodes disappearing. For instance, they would always go from "F.O.B. Honolulu" straight to "The Grandstand Play", skipping over "The Gunrunner", "Dear Enemy", and "The Bomber and Mrs. Moroney" (the last one is one of my favorites, and I never saw any of those 3 until I got the season 3 DVD). Season 4 tended to skip "Cloth of Gold" and a few others. Season 5 skipped "Chain of Events" and "Fools Die Twice" and "Percentage" I think and a few others. Same with season 6 - they always skipped 2 of my favorites "One Born Every Minute" and "Nightmare in Blue". I didn't see those until I got the DVD. With season 7 onward they began skipping more and more.

This wasn't originally the case in the late 90s when they began showing it on channel 48. They showed every episode at first (of course I didn't catch all of them because of high school). Nothing really seemed to change - same channel, same time slot (always 2 episodes shown back to back). But somehow they began showing less and less episodes. It must have been a new syndication package.

Added: Wednesday 02 September 2015 18:06:30 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Rainbow,

It's true. The media is trying to force their agenda down our throats. Just think about how many shows there are showing dysfunctional families - either parents being shown as complete idiots or adults acting like whiny kids. Is this supposed to accurately reflect the majority of our real world population? If so then we're in serious trouble. How many shows now have gay themes in them? And now the hot new thing is transgender themes. I heard they are creating more shows with that theme now (especially after that whole Jenner fiasco). It's ridiculous! Hollywood is trying to tell us that these are all very important every-day themes which we should all be very accepting of. When in reality they are completely out of touch with what most of America considers important. I have yet to encounter someone who is actually waiting with baited breath to see movies or shows that deal with gay or transgender issues. No one cares!! Except Hollywood apparently and their PC police. We have other more important day-to-day issues that we deal with, and I don't come across transgender folk in my everyday life like Hollywood would have us believe - that they are all around us. No, they are NOT!

I mentioned rumors of a black James Bond yesterday and just this morning I read that writer Anthony Horowitz (who is writing a new Bond novel) has been forced to apologize for referring to black actor Idris Elba as "too street" to play Bond. He was criticized that "too street" sounds like "too black" which they deem to be racist. :!mad: Elba was famous for playing a tough street character in the urban cop drama THE WIRE. Horowitz says that's all he meant with his "too street" comment. But the simple fact that he needs to apologize for something as ridiculous as this is what is so wrong with this PC culture. Even if he meant "too black", who cares? Big deal! Bond is supposed be white, not black. End of story. Everyone is entitled to speak their mind.

Mr. Mike,

If you were receiving season 11 and 12 episodes from your Philly friend in 1995 then he must have taped them off our FOX channel (channel 29). That's the channel that would have run the show in 1995. As I recall I did see a good number of season 11 and 12 episodes during that time (early to mid 90s) so FOX was definitely showing those seasons here. Episodes like "The Skyline Killer", "The Spirit is Willie", "A Distant Thunder", "The Sleeper", "Death Mask", "Use a Gun, Go To Hell", "The Flight of the Jewels", "A Shallow Grave" were some of my earliest memories of the show. When I saw the aforementioned season 12 episodes some years later (late 90s) on a different channel I was surprised that Danno was not in them. In fact I had no recollection of Kimo and Lori at all (Truck sounded vaguely familiar). It's funny that I recalled seeing those episodes but didn't recall new characters like Kimo or Lori. I guess I always assumed that Danno was in all the episodes to the very end.

Added: Wednesday 02 September 2015 17:12:17 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

A few months back, I mentioned that here in L.A., our local syndication package usually ran almost every episode through season 6 and then each season after that there were fewer and fewer episodes. By season 12, there were only a half dozen or so episodes shown. I never saw "A Woman's Work is With Her Gun" until the DVDs were released and that goes for "Hiri Kiri", "Ring of Life" and so on. Until the DVD release, I didn't even know Chin Ho died because they never ran "A Death in the Family". I would think the networks knew which episodes were low rated or controversial and would not want to pay the syndication costs to include them in a package.

Added: Wednesday 02 September 2015 15:50:25 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

I must be getting soft in my middle age because I was watching A Bird In Hand Season 12 last night and actually liking it. The first time I saw it as a teenager, I thought it was one of the worst episodes. Writing a few things down, I realized there was some good aspects of the episode. Good cast and beautiful people. Julie May and Marty Watts were an attractive couple and Angie proved to be a good actress. I liked the old Sugar Mill and Del Vecchi and his crew of associates. This Santos gives Danny a run for his money with all his talents. Driving a big rig, scuba diver, etc.
Unfortunately, I still don't understand why Del Vecchi would go after the bird watchers with such zeal. Maybe, take the film but the murders were overkill. I mean, they let the pineapple workers go with pay and they would be more of a threat. Another dumb thing:The couple of associates witnessed Kimo working the scenes for Five-O. It just happened the one guy didn't see Kimo before when he was the inspector. I liked the ending when McG and Kimo found the gold discs in the pineapple and Del Vecchi fell over the balcony when he collapsed. John

Added: Wednesday 02 September 2015 13:44:12 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Ringfire, back in the mid-90's when I was getting into Five-O when I was unemployed for lengthy stretches, I had a lot of difficulty getting later season episodes. The local TV station, KVOS in Bellingham, WA, had certain packages, but they never went beyond season ten.

In fact, they didn't show Six Kilos for some reason. I remember once they ran through all the shows in their syndication package and then went back to the beginning, but I found out that they were going to cancel showing Five-O at the end of season one. They got up to Not That Much Different and I had my fingers crossed that Six Kilos (which was not broadcast during the previous run-through) would be next and much to my surprise, it was! I later got a copy of Six Kilos from a friend in San Jose, where they had a different syndication package. I have never been able to figure out what was the big deal with Six Kilos, why it was not shown, and was almost a lost episode like Bored She Hung Herself.

Anyway, through a Usenet news group or a discussion group somewhere on the Internet (remember, this was around 1995), I hooked up with this guy in PA who was a big fan of Magnum, P.I., which was broadcast on KOMO in Seattle every night. So I worked out a trade deal with this guy, I would tape Magnum, P.I. shows for him and he would tape Five-O episodes from seasons 11-12 which were showing locally, I think on the same Philadelphia station you mention.

In addition to him and the guy in San Jose, I also got another friend to tape me episodes from KONG TV in Seattle which showed episodes VERY complete, including those in the last two seasons.

I am still pals with these three guys today, 20 years later!

Added: Wednesday 02 September 2015 08:56:32 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Ringfire:

Politics has infused every aspect of life today and it is damaging society. The arts are no longer seen as telling stories for entertainment value and to help people enjoy their day more, the film and television industry is being used to change the country with politics that have been forced fed down the throats of most of the people in the industry that turn them into lemmings and zombies. The funny thing is the politics that they are trying to slam into American society are the exact opposite of the American film and television industry that pays them so highly and gives them such a life. They don't think that deeply though.

I will never forget a number of years ago when I saw the video of Ed Begley Jr. and Mariel Hemingway taking bribe money from Saudi Arabian officials for the purpose of having Begley Jr. and Hemingway discourage people in the US from exploring more domestic oil sources in America so we could get off foreign oil. The purpose of the money was to help protect the Saudi's oil business because if we started producing our own oil then the Saudi's business would dry up and they would lose massive amounts of money. Begley and Hemingway took the money and started talking about "green" energy and against fossil fuels. When the videos were released they stopped their propaganda. That's Hollywood now, it's being consumed by nefarious forces. Totally agree with you.

Added: Wednesday 02 September 2015 06:48:48 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Hi, John,

You’re welcome. I used to think that TV shows now have more freedom, but they don’t. Political correctness has made TV shows less impactful than they used to be. No amount of car chases, shootouts, and explosions can make up for authentic storytelling.

I like the 90-Second War in terms of the frame-up of Steve – cleverly planned by Wo Fat – and the touching scene in the hospital where Doc tells Steve he can walk, and Steve and Danno burst into tears. It shows these guys had the ability to pull off different ranges. The second show was elevated by Donald Pleasence, but it looked like a separate show from Part 1, though it continued the storyline by showing why Wo Fat was framing McGarrett for accepting bribes.

I think Jack Lord’s McGarrett trumps Alex’s a million times over and more. Jack’s McGarrett had grittiness, toughness, screen presence, and deep emotions which made you believe he meant everything he said and did. Alex’s McGarrett is an action hero. He can do the physical stunts, but he loses out on the dramatic scenes.

Jack Lord thrived in dramatic scenes. It wasn't just shooting, punching, kicking, blowing things up, and running things over where he was concerned. He established the character with his words, presence, the values his character had, and the way he did his job. He made the bad guys cower just by speaking to them, because his command of presence and conviction when he spoke was so strong. Jack brought the lines from the script to life and by doing so, he made Steve McGarrett all the more believable.

McGarrett had certain values - dedication, loyalty, honesty, integrity, belief in the justice system, honor, and bravery - and Jack did his best to convey those values when he delivered his lines and in his actions. These were all things written by the writers, of course, and the directors gave him direction, but in the end, Jack had to take those scripted words and those directors' instructions and use them to make a character come to life, which no one else could do for him. He had his own ideas about how the character should act, and he infused them into his performances. That's the actor's charge, and their greatest challenge. That's where their true talent is evident.

Jack did bring much of his own personality into the role as time went on, which is natural, and in the beginning, he stuck more to the McGarrett that the writers put on paper, and the change in McGarrett's personality evolved as Jack began to meld his real-life personality traits with those of McGarrett - some of which were already present and identical, and some of which Jack added. Jack chose to play Steve McGarrett because it was a character in which he believed and could identify, and he was able to portray him so closely to his real self because of it, and that's what made his performance so memorable and convincing. That's called talent and that's what made Jack Lord a great actor.

Added: Tuesday 01 September 2015 23:43:47 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

VRINDA
Always enjoy hearing your comments about Jack Lord and Classic HFO. I'm happy that HFO was back in the 70's time because it seems people are so easily offended today. So many interesting and well-written episodes. There has been outstanding discussion Classic HFO July & August. I was wondering if you enjoyed the 2 McGarrett episode The 90 Second War Part I. One of the best in the entire series. Part 2 was completely different. The new HFO will be starting up for Season 6. How would you compare Alex's McGarrett to Jack Lord? It's good to hear from you. Classic HFO Fans: Do you think The 90 Second War Part 1 where McG is framed & paralyzed for a short time makes your Top 10 list of HFO? John

Added: Tuesday 01 September 2015 17:59:22 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Rainbow,

Yes I do recall something similar in the syndication package here in Philly around early-to-mid 90s, when I first discovered the show. It seems they would show the episodes randomly and out of order. This was on channel 29 here in Philly (which is the FOX broadcasting channel here). Then they stopped showing it completely. Then around 1996/1997 on a different channel (channel 48 here, where they showed mostly reruns of old shows) they started showing FIVE-0 from the very beginning and went in order - from season 1 all the way to season 12. I'm guessing this had to be a different syndication package than what they showed in the early-to-mid 90s on our FOX channel.

Absolutely in agreement with you on the whole PC nonsense. It's killing our culture. Everyone is walking on eggshells trying not to offend anyone and apologizing for anything real or imagined. It's absurd seeing all these people (usually celebrities) sitting down on live television and going through this "therapy" where they have to explain themselves and dig deep down inside of themselves to try to understand where this thing that they may or may not have said came from. Then they are referred to special counseling sessions and stuff like that. It's crazy and creepy! Whatever happened to the good old days when if you did something wrong you said you're sorry and that was that, and you got on with your life? Now grown men and women are treated like little kids, made to apologize for every little thing. Comedians can't do comedy on many college campuses anymore because their jokes are un-PC. Then there's the older movies and TV shows which offend so many. I've heard folks who can't get past the scene in DR. NO where Bond tells the black fisherman Quarrel to "fetch my shoes". They're aghast with how horribly racist that scene is! :D It cracks me up because some folks are so PC that instead of following the story (and keeping in mind that this film was made in 1962) they instead seem to be looking for things that are deemed "unacceptable" in today's society. It never even occurred to me that the scene is racist until folks started talking about it. In the film, Quarrel was Bond's guide and hired help and so he basically did what Bond told him and if it meant fetching his shoes then he fetched his shoes. What's the big deal? If Bond told a white guy to fetch his shoes would that still have been an issue? Of course not! For someone like me this scene means nothing but for someone who has their PC radar turned on 24/7 then it's borderline criminal. If they had their way they would re-edit these classic films (and my fear is that this is where we are going). It's this desire to please everyone and be all-inclusive that has also caused a frenzy in the media that it's now time for a BLACK BOND!! That's PC, folks! In all its ugliness and stupidity. Our very own FIVE-0 alum Yaphet Kotto (who also played a Bond villain) was the first to criticize this idiotic notion - he said if there ever came a time when he himself demanded that he be allowed to play JFK in a biopic then he hoped that folks would have enough common sense to wheel him away to a mental institution! No one cares anymore about the story, the character, the situation, the context. All they care about is being all-inclusive - we had a white Bond so it's time for a black Bond. Next it will be time for a female Bond and then a gay Bond. Never mind sticking to the character as he was created by Ian Fleming. Ah, how I miss the simpler times. The funny thing is that I'm only in my early 30s. But I remember simpler times even as recently as the 90s. Shame what's happening with our society.

Added: Tuesday 01 September 2015 17:42:06 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Jack ad-libbed the part where he told Tasi, "Wait a minute ... this is Hawaii, U.S.A. It's time for your English lesson. Repeat slowly after me - Japanese, Chinese, Korean."

He was strongly against racism, so he didn't want Tasi to get away with making such remarks. No word on if Manu Tupou ad-libbed his retort and blowing a raspberry!

Added: Tuesday 01 September 2015 14:05:31 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

It's a good question John. I don't think that 'A Matter of Mutual Concern" would be broadcast today because of our PC sensitive world that we live in. I remember when I watched that episode and how much I enjoyed it. I don't think they would broadcast that today.

I love the old moves from the Golden Age of Hollywood, and I often marvel that some wonderful classic movies would never be made or shown today, because of some of the things that were said or written in them. It's too much today, and I think PC is a way to control people and freedom of speech.

Ringfire being from Ukraine will tell you that freedom is a precious thing, and we are blowing ours in this country on matters of political correctness.

Added: Tuesday 01 September 2015 06:43:08 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

It would be shown today, but the censors would make them clean it up. It's a very good episode and would still be good without the derogatory terms. The point is that the gangs were in competition with one another, not what their ethnic backgrounds were.

Added: Tuesday 01 September 2015 05:38:19 MST


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