Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- September 2014

The Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- September 2014



The following are archived comments from September, 2014. After looking around, please add your own comments!

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Submitted by: Joekido
From: Colorado Springs

I find it funny. Back in the proboards I speak negatively about the Reboot but will sometimes speak positive, they would get that attitude of me to "go away" even when I pointed out that the old show has flaws the still think Im Mr. Bitter and would still give me that "Go away" attitude. They all act as if the show would get cancelled because of me yet the show ran for a good 5 seasons. I got banned and had to re-reisinger as someone else. Idiot people over there can't read what I wrote over there carefully enough.

Added: Tuesday 30 September 2014 14:34:05 MST


Submitted by: Anne
From: Tangerine FL

Hey H5O, I don't disagree with you on that. The stuff of today's shows are very dark. I caught a Cold Case episode and was saddened that we have sunk to the level of taking real life situations and are writing/creating television episode about them. It was a well written episode, but so saddening. Also, I am a gamer, and some of the games out there are very violent and disregard the better social mores. While not every person who watches TV and/or plays games will run out and do something horrible, there is that small percentage who will. Then the media jumps on it and magnifies it. I miss what shows like Hawaii Five-O represented. Guess that's why I watch a lot of MeTV and Cozi.

Added: Tuesday 30 September 2014 09:31:52 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Fan mail via Twitter:

@gazergirl2: @fiveohomepage since you totally hate the reboot of #H50 I would suggest you reframe [sic] from watching and giving ur biased unwanted opinion and stick to the original version! I am an avid fan of the original #H50 have all 11 seasons (not 12th) but love the @PLenkov reboot! If you don't like don't watch! Simple!!! Keep your opinions as outdated as they are to yourself!

My reply (like her comment, across three messages, mine is slightly edited/expanded):

What B.S. -- "you totally hate reboot of H50." I've said good things about new show, bad things about old show. Do your homework! I'll watch new H50 & say whatever I want. Ever heard of "so bad it's good" (which the reboot is not). I don't understand your paranoia. [Maybe she thinks the show will be cancelled because of my opinions? Hasn't worked so far after four years -- LOL.] And you don't have to brown-nosingly [Twitter-]CC Lenkov [by adding @ sign to his name], I'm sure he has other things on his mind. He knows where to find me if he wants to.

Added: Tuesday 30 September 2014 09:02:07 MST


Submitted by: honu59
From: New York

Re: "Everyone needs to be fired."

Please don't fire the people who make "Blue Bloods." Somehow, they managed to get it right. The adults are serious about their jobs and care about the impact they have on others. When they make mistakes, there are consequences. This program shows that life as a cop is not easy, but they give their very best to the job. Also, the adults are in charge of the kids and the kids respect them and learn from them. They even have family dinners together! I'm not sure how it happened, but this show has the quality of TV shows from years ago.

Added: Tuesday 30 September 2014 08:26:04 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

Right you are, RW.

Added: Tuesday 30 September 2014 08:23:48 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

You hit the nail on the head H50, but the problem is that the people who work in television have this type of immoral, selfish behavior in real life and that is why they keep putting this stuff out there. They write what they know, and this is how they behave. I have said it many times, that the media in the United States which means movies and television as well needs to be cleaned out entirely and started over, so that the industry does what you want it to do. Everyone needs to be fired.

Added: Tuesday 30 September 2014 07:06:48 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

I disagree, Joekido and Anne. The problem IS the deterioration of morality in today's society. Television is fueling that deterioration when it should be setting an example to show that deterioration is both unnecessary and undesirable.

Added: Tuesday 30 September 2014 03:54:52 MST


Submitted by: Anne
From: Tangerine FL

I said what Joekido said. If the show was called something else and characters were not called the same names as in the original series I might have been able to watch. Then again, the stories told on the new show would have still been bad. The music is even worse. Don't even talk about the photography. :!puke:

Added: Monday 29 September 2014 21:06:28 MST


Submitted by: Joekido

I wish everyone reads what Vrinda said because such words couldn't be true. In the eyes of most people you were supposed to enjoy the new Hawaii Five-O but I couldn't enjoy it because the new show is a victim of changing times where acting is like that of a kid and children with bad parents watched the show and cheered on Steve and Danno. Had they create a show called "Action Hawaii" with different cast then the show would have been good

Added: Monday 29 September 2014 14:25:09 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

Notice how, on "Blue Bloods," the family does not allow Jack and Sean to wander wherever they wish. Nor did they let Nicky have her independence until she was grown. They supervise their activities.

Added: Monday 29 September 2014 14:11:27 MST


Submitted by: honu59
From: New York

"Remember on the new show’s series premiere, Steve allowed Danno to go into a building where an armed suspect was hiding, only to have Danno get shot. Steve was laughing about it."

That's one of the reasons that I enjoy "Blue Bloods" so much. Can you imagine Frank Reagan ever laughing about an officer being shot???? Wouldn't happen. Frank Reagan behaves like an adult. He takes his job very seriously, a job in which he must deal with difficult situations and make diffult decisions every day, decisions behind which he must stand since they are made public. It's an enormous responsibility, but he bears it well.

Wish more of the younger folks were watching "Blue Bloods" and choosing their role models from that show.

Added: Monday 29 September 2014 12:04:13 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

It is possible to wear suits I Hawaii. They have to made of a certain material, more lightweight than on the mainland, but it can be done. These guys wouldn't have been taken seriously if they walked around dressed like Trader Joe employees.

I also noticed the same thing about the shower scene. They were trying too hard to make it into a porno film when there was no need. That shows how desperate the producers are that they have to include such material.

I noticed my previous comment did not come out like I originally typed it, since I copied it from a Word document and some things were left off.

This is what I intended to say:

"They also can't write properly. That they think Steve and Danno are role models is disturbing. One is a fighting machine/action hero who thinks nothing of breaking the law in order to uphold it, and the other is an antagonistic, smart-mouthing boor. If these kids think these guys are role models, that shows what poor guidance their parents and other adults around have given them, and also what third-rate characters modern TV has created."

To add to Virginia and Honu's comments, TV tends to be promoting immaturity in adult characters. Even when there are adults who act their age and mean it, they are often portrayed as out of touch, cold, and/or weak (physically and mentally). Sometimes, it’s the bad guy who have those characteristics. The more immature, fun-loving character that sees everything as a lark is applauded, though it’s unrealistic to be rooting for them when their attitude will place them and those around them in danger. It doesn’t work on a police drama.

Though the new Steve and Danno have their serious moments, they are belied when those two get into their silly arguments. They bicker like children on the most insipid and irrelevant things. Contrast that with the original Steve and Danno, who argued only on things related to their work and which were important enough to warrant an argument. An example is when that secretary died in "Samurai,” and Steve asked Danno how she got poisoned when he was watching her, or when that girl got hit by a car in "Sweet Terror,” and Steve chastised Danno for letting a suspect get away. Someone was killed in one scenario, and a collar on an enemy agent was lost in the other. Steve had every reason to be mad, even though Danno was not at fault. Steve cooled off, patted his partner on the shoulder, and apologized.

Remember on the new show’s series premiere, Steve allowed Danno to go into a building where an armed suspect was hiding, only to have Danno get shot. Steve was laughing about it. Though he apologized, the apology sound phony. That is not endearing behavior. Such behavior is admired by these kids and what they think is exceptional behavior that warrants holding these characters in a higher regard. That only shows their lack of common sense and that this generation is turning into a bunch of cold, selfish, and irresponsible brats.

Added: Monday 29 September 2014 11:13:20 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

Re: "The problem is that if they go by the book today, they would not be watching it." - - -

That is true of some viewers, but I can tell you, based on our comments and the popularity of the original series, that the remake would still have a good following. Think how many people -- and not just us veterans of the original -- who were badly disappointed when they saw what the remake was like. Even people in the preferred 18-49 demographic, who never saw the original show, dislike the remake. So, yes, the remake has its following, but it would have had a respectable following even if it had remained true to form.

Added: Monday 29 September 2014 10:44:57 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"I would say the A-Team did excatly the same thing the new Hawaii Five-O is doing yet everyone loves the show"

In defense of THE A-TEAM it was a live-action cartoon and didn't pretend to be anything else. But there was a real chemistry between the team members/actors. The show had great actors who fit the parts they were playing like a glove, even right down to a non-actor like Mr. T. Plus the script was actually full of genuine wit and humor. It still holds up really well today unlike the "humor" of many other 80s shows which comes across as corny. Dwight Schultz as Murdock in particular was a comic genius. Talk about discovering a new talent! This guy could mimic anyone and just come up with some really off-the-wall stuff. As an adult I actually find myself laughing a lot at his brand of humor. So it's not just something that only the kids can enjoy. Again, most of it is down to the writing. Coupled with Schultz's timing and delivery it's just classic!

The modern Five-0 is basically a live-action cartoon too. Except it expects us to take it seriously. Its humor is juvenile but unlike on THE A-TEAM it's completely unfunny! The scriptwriters are lousy with a capital "L". Plus this type of "humor" has no place in a show that tries to be a serious (or even semi-serious) crime drama.

Actually I don't see any connection between this show and THE A-TEAM. On this show folks are gunned down in glorious Bruckheimer fashion whereas on THE A-TEAM the bullets would be whizzing by and blowing out gas tanks, tires, car hoods and trunks, windows, and just creating fantastic car flips (those trademark A-TEAM car flips - gotta love em!) but nobody ever got killed. The mood of the show was a polar opposite to the mood in today's shows. Like I said, it was a live-action cartoon with cool stunts and some clever dialogue and wit. THE A-TEAM is a unique type of show whereas this FIVE-0 is generic to the max. There's nothing unique here!

Added: Monday 29 September 2014 10:37:48 MST


Submitted by: John
From: Montreal

I convinced my wife to watch the new episode Friday night to give it "one last try" and it didn't go well...

First few seconds were great with a beautiful (if color modified) shot of East Honolulu and Diamond-head from a different angle than we typically see. The story itself sounded promising but we all know how it went idiotic.

Two thoughts I haven't seen mentioned yet: First, why couldn't they simply land a plane at a private field like the one near Kaena point or the old Barbers Point CG field which is now commercial? Second why the urgency to stop the plane as it took off? If there is one place on earth short of military aircraft it ain't Oahu. It wouldn't have gotten far with Marines, Army, Navy and Air Force bases galore.

summary:

plus:
beautiful scenery (including Kono) ;)
interesting premise for a story

minus (top 3 to save space):
idiotic story
annoying (very) "carguments"
extra annoying vist to the shrink
even more than normal number of distracting time consuming "side stories"
the entire regular cast (especially the new ones)

Added: Monday 29 September 2014 10:36:48 MST


Submitted by: Joekido

"BUT . . . Even while the bad guys were shooting, killing, and blowing up everyone and everything around them, the Five-0 Team operated by the book. They did NOT sink to the level of the criminals."

The problem is that if they go by the book today, they would not be watching it.

Added: Monday 29 September 2014 08:46:17 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

The shows today are too dark and violent, in addition to being graphic. With all the threats to our well being out there we don't need to be giving ideas to people out there. Yes, there was violence in the 1970's television shows, yet it wasn't as bloody, dark or perverse as some of these shows are today. I was watching "CSI" last night with Ted Danson and I was saying, I hope this show doesn't give anyone any ideas. Plus, I think there is way too much overheated sex in today's programs. I mean, I'm a red blooded American male who likes women in bikinis like they used to show in "Charlie'Angels", but I must say that I found the soft porn video of Grace Park in the beach shower in her barely there bikini to be like a Playboy Video. The way it was shot and the way the camera focused in on her body at the beginning of the show Friday night would have made me uncomfortable if I was a parent watching the show with my child. I mean as an actress how do you let yourself be exploited that way five years into the show? The funny thing is compared to the sex on the rest of the shows that is considered tame!

Added: Monday 29 September 2014 06:53:24 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

H50 1968 received a lot of criticism for its violence. They tried to tone it down in the last three seasons, and you know what people have to say about the last three seasons - Oy vay! (Auwe, in Hawaiian)

BUT . . . Even while the bad guys were shooting, killing, and blowing up everyone and everything around them, the Five-0 Team operated by the book. They did NOT sink to the level of the criminals.

Added: Monday 29 September 2014 03:10:12 MST


Submitted by: Joekido

Pretend im a different person, a person who would defend the way modern society is evolving. I would say the A-Team did excatly the same thing the new Hawaii Five-O is doing yet everyone loves the show and this show was set in the 80's. Plus people loves to watch House M.D. yet it was full of unrealistic stuff yet no one complains about it (I would complain, House should be fired. Ok back to the different me) and take note that the original was sometimes unrealistic. You dont wear heavy suits in
Hawai'i.

Ok im done. I wished that the world does not go out this way

Added: Sunday 28 September 2014 22:23:00 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Let's not forget 70's Hawaii Five O had plenty of violence. Ralston shoved off Mrs. Nichols over a 200 feet steep cliff. I think 5 people were killed in Deathwatch. Luke Foster detonated bombs killing several in Why Wait Until Uncle Kevin Dies? And so on...The violence seems to be packaged different in the new HFO. Lots of shooting & killing scenes that doesnt weave into the story as well as Classic 5-0. The opening scene was graphic with the military drone riddling the runners with bullets 30's Gangster style. Many good points about the crumbling & eroding of todays society & the violence we see in the headlines nearly everyday. It seems kids keep getting older faster every generation. Wish it was the 70's again but it is 2014. Great discussion Vrinda,HFO Forever & others. John

Added: Sunday 28 September 2014 18:56:17 MST


Submitted by: honu59
From: New York

I agree with Virginia and Vrinda, too. I cringed when I read the comments of two 13 year olds who said that these characters are their role models. One reason is that when I was 13, Jack Lord's and James MacArthur's characters were my role models, so it sounded too familiar. But MY Steve and Danny were gentlemen of honor and integrity. They held the law in high regard and knew that it applied to everyone including themselves. If they ever broke the law, there were consequences! (And They Painted Daises...) They were also polite, responsible and respectful to the public and to each other. In other words, they were adults and acted like adults - at least like adults back then. Sigh.(Okay, I'll stop ranting now.)

Added: Sunday 28 September 2014 14:54:08 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

In years past, airing rougher programs at 9:00 or later was supposed to help keep children from watching them. Did it? Who knows? We do know that today's children stay up as late as, or later than, their parents and watch exactly what they want to watch, regardless of what their parents say about it. Too much programming tells children they are smarter than adults and that they don't have to listen to adults.

Incredibly, the law stands behind that nonsense! Let a parent try to discipline a child today, and suddenly every interest group, law enforcement agency, and court of law is involved. Everyone is so hung up on the practice of judging other people that they don't even bother learning the circumstances involved. Punish first, listen second seems to be the order of the day.

As Joekiddo said, the world is changing and not for the better. It's scary what this world is becoming. There is so much self-service in the world today that many grown children feel no obligation to help their aging parents, and many parents feel no obligation to help their children get the education or training needed to earn a living in this world. The bumper sticker that seemed funny a dozen years ago, "I'm out spending my kids' inheritance," doesn't seem very funny, anymore. As the mentality trickles down, it seems only self-serving.

And television isn't helping. Not when it shows the police breaking as many laws as the criminals they are trying to arrest, and not when it shows people taking it upon themselves to kill innocent people on a beach. :!cry:

Added: Sunday 28 September 2014 14:10:56 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

type-o "an antagonistic" and "third-rate characters."

Added: Sunday 28 September 2014 13:28:45 MST


Submitted by: patricia boyd
From: stockton California

Why are they playing back ground music all through the show even when actors are talking. Drives me crazy if I wanted music I wouldn't be watching tv. Can't even get into show with all that bad music playing hate it HOPE it changes or no more Hawaii five o. :!thinking:

Added: Sunday 28 September 2014 13:28:37 MST


Submitted by: Joekido

Don't forget we are living in a world that is changing for the worst. I have to agree with Virginia and Vrinda here.

Added: Sunday 28 September 2014 13:11:04 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

They also can't write properly. That they think Steve and Danno are role models. One is a fighting machine/action hero who thinks nothing of breaking the law in order to uphold it, and the other is a antagonistic, smart-mouthing boor. If these kids think these guys are role models, that shows what poor guidance their parents and other adults around have given them, and also what third-characters modern TV has created.

Added: Sunday 28 September 2014 12:50:07 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

That is so pathetic. Five-star ratings from 10-year-olds who say it's not for young children. Just who do think they are, middle-aged grandparents? What's wrong with the world today?

Added: Sunday 28 September 2014 11:47:08 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

What parents need to know about Five-Zero:

bit.ly/1vkpcBm

Read the comments!

Added: Sunday 28 September 2014 09:23:50 MST


Submitted by: Jeff
From: CO

I absolutely LOVED the idea of a terrorist using a sophisticated military drone to attack innocent civilians--I find that to be a great premise for a show, or even a motion picture. But once again, in the hands of Lenkov, he takes a great idea, that was fairly well-executed in the first half of the show, and manages to deep fry it in a pile of shit during the second half. All of the nonsense about the drone attacks being a diversion from the real plot to land a jet in downtown Honolulu and grab a turncoat and take him to Russia is the precise kind of bullshit that they used to pull in the very first half of the very first season of the show--utterly ridiculous!

I hated the episode's introduction with Danny and McG being interviewed--the ONLY reason that they did that was a blatant attempt to try and grab some new viewers for the series by 'bringing them up to speed' with the show's premise. It did not fit in at all with the rest of the show, nor was it ever referred to again. It seems like it was shoehorned in as an afterthought by either CBS or Lenkov to try and boost ratings. They still don't seem to realize that if they just tell a good story and get out of the way, the viewers will come. They did it frequently last season. They can do it again.

I was relieved to see that there was no reference to Wo Fat, Mama McGarrett, or any of that BS--just a purely self-contained show. It simply should have been better, considering that they had the whole summer to come up with something. It's frustrating that in fact they did come up with a GREAT premise--and utterly botched it.

They do get a few points for the visual effects--the drone attacks were fairly realistic looking, even though there should have been more casualties.

All in all, I give it 1.5 out of 4. Below average. The first half of the show was great--a 3.5, but the last half was about a 0.5.

Better luck next week!

Added: Sunday 28 September 2014 08:24:40 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

From TV By the Numbers:

Hawaii Five-0 notched a 1.3 adults 18-49 rating, down from its last season premiere's 1.6 adults 18-49 rating. The season premiere of Blue Bloods notched an 1.2 adults 18-49 rating, down from the 1.7 its last season premiere earned.

Five-0 had the highest number of viewers for its time slot, with 8.9 million, but NBC's Dateline (which had a 2-hour time slot from 9 to 11 pm) had a higher 18-49 rating and share (1.4 and 5 respectively).

Added: Saturday 27 September 2014 09:38:27 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The following posting was made at TV Fanatic WWW site in response to their review of last night's show:

i like the episode 97%. The scenery beautiful, the carguements great, Book em Danno fantastic, Couples therapy hilarious, work team good, funny scenes and innuendos also hilarious, action very good. The 3% i did not like was the plot it was ridiculous and dumb.I mean to use a military drone device to shoot people randomly on the beaches or streets for he only purpose to divert the attention and empty the streets of waikiki so a jet plane can land on the streets to pick up a terrorist? Really? Is taht all he writers had in mind for a plot or storyline? Why they did not land the plane on the airport passing and hijacking all security airport systems.so they can land on the airport strip?

WTF? The plot is only worth 3% when rating a show?

Added: Saturday 27 September 2014 09:15:29 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

I see Mr. Mike & HFO Forever asked some things from an earlier post. Maybe I can elaborate. The television I have is HD probably like your TV's. The speedy drone & its fleet moving come right at you like 3D as the way the plane to pick up Lawrence Turner does. Sorry if that was not articulated well. My comparison of Jerry to Nancy Drew stems from the fact that people usually dont believe their early intuition or hunches but they are usually right. Jerry has been on the mark many times:The writing on the tool box,the Chinese recovering the satellite,his hunch about Vintage Books. Still, McG views the conspiracy theorist Jerry with a skeptics eye. I enjoyed this episode...An intelligent and imaginative story with action and suspense. Jerry's plan to use Danno & McG as bait while he disabled the drone proved to be right. John

Added: Saturday 27 September 2014 09:02:17 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Yes, John, you might tell us what you are smoking, since the episode was NOT in 3-D (I'm sure if it was, there would have been considerable publicity about this ahead of time). Maybe you are using a TV which converts regular broadcasts to 3-D?

Also, Jerry did not arrive on the Diamond Head shooting scene along with the Five-0 team as the original Five-O theme played in the background. He doesn't appear in the show until McGarrett and Danno track him down to where he is surveilling some bookstore on Nuuanu Avenue.

I dunno if anyone noticed, but there were some vague parallels with the old show's episode The Young Assassins, with people on a beach being knocked off by a "terrorist" group ... except that the blab in CBS's press release about the new show saying "The island of O'ahu goes on lockdown when Five-0 hunts a terrorist who starts using weaponized drones on civilians" was totally misleading.

There were also parallels between Lawrence Turner, the guy the SRS types wanted to provide valet service to to get off the island with their drone-like/stealth/Short TakeOff and Landing plane, and whistleblower Edward Snowden -- who had a very serious connection to Hawaii.

Added: Saturday 27 September 2014 08:29:02 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

John, would you please explain how that big, burly man is anything like Nancy Drew.

Added: Saturday 27 September 2014 08:07:29 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Outstanding episode Season 5 Hawaii 5-0!!! Some kind of military drone guns down teachers running on Diamond Head trail. Poor guy he was going to propose to girlfriend. Jerry arrived on the scene with his brilliant mind on how to bait & stop the drone. He is like Nancy Drew. You would think McG & HFO team would listen to him. Excellent action & suspense as the drone hovers & shoots hundreds of rounds into beach crowd. Agree with Mr. Mike expected a higher death toll. The plane landing scene & the maneuvering of the drone great in 3D & high def. It was a real gamble that Jerry could tap into the frequency but not many options. I mark half star off with the early scene with psychologist but give this episode 5.5 stars out of 6 stars. John

Added: Saturday 27 September 2014 02:04:44 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

S05E01 reviewed: http://mjq.net/fiveo/2010-log5.htm#1

Added: Saturday 27 September 2014 01:01:11 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

46 years ago today the first episode of Hawaii Five-0 aired. FULL FATHOM FIVE Sep 26, 1968. The Pilot aired a week earlier on Sep 20th.

Added: Friday 26 September 2014 20:45:03 MST


Submitted by: Joekido

It looks like im going to miss the premier tonight due to going out.

Added: Friday 26 September 2014 18:48:42 MST


Submitted by: mr hiram
From: nyc

Mr and Mr Smith? I thought mcgarrett was played by vince vaughn there. Long opening

Added: Friday 26 September 2014 18:26:47 MST


Submitted by: Jerr Pickard
From: WV

Why do they have "Jerry," Jorge Garcia on the show? He is rather disgusting and doesn't add anything. He detracts. Same as on Lost! There are so many good actors -- find a better one. Sorry!

Added: Friday 26 September 2014 18:26:39 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

maybe i can see Christopher Lambert play Vachon if they decide to remake

Added: Friday 26 September 2014 12:41:22 MST


Submitted by: DeliWaiter
From: Sand City

"NCIS NEW ORLEANS tuesday plot...bubonic plague. It's Face of the Dragon all over again."-mrHiram I was thinking the same thing, the more things change, the more the stay the same. I did watch the pilot of NCIS NO and I did enjoy the vibe of the show and the incidental music was excellent. The lead actor is a likable fellow. Some plots are timeless.

Added: Friday 26 September 2014 11:13:36 MST


Submitted by: Joekido

Who is stoked for tonight? :!mad:

Added: Friday 26 September 2014 10:42:57 MST


Submitted by: mr hiram
From: nyc

Long time folks. We will see what tonite brings. Oh! NCIS NEW ORLEANS tuesday plot...bubonic plague. It's Face of the Dragon all over again. :!mad:

Added: Friday 26 September 2014 08:19:45 MST


Submitted by: Charley
From: England

Hi, I am currently studying media studies at college and for my coursework I have chosen to analyse the differences between the old and new Hawaii Five-0. I am trying to analyse whether or not the new Hawaii Five-0 is representing political correctness and tokenism. If anyone would care to give me their opinions would be absolutely fantastic and will be quoted within my work. Thank You!! :)

Added: Friday 26 September 2014 02:21:20 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

The Case Against Philip Christie was good episode. McGarrett had been framed many times The 90 Second War,Man in a Steel Frame etc. Think it made him question if Christie really did it. Glad McG went to the Christie house or an innocent man would have went to prison. He noticed the back staircase & the extension phone close to murder bedroom. No perpetrator could have escaped Philip's sight. Maybe the ending could have been Roman taking the gun with blanks waving the gun with him explaining how & why he killed Penelope Christie. Like Ringfire I enjoy courtroom drama & locked room mysteries. John

Added: Tuesday 23 September 2014 15:39:45 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Great discussion on The Case Against Philip Christie. Mr. Mike made a good point on deciding on evidence presented. I would have voted Mr. Christie NOT GUILTY. They were hung jury 11-1...Thats why The jurors went to the Christie house...To make it unanimous 12-0. Howard Roman was guilty & sad with all his friends around him. Only a matter of time before McG pinned the crime on Roman through evidence. As deduced by Minnie & McG, the other Christie friends alibi at the party. Roman was not there. I think it was outstanding trial scenes & Roman exposed. John

Added: Monday 22 September 2014 19:23:05 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Harry Saltzman had lots of creative ideas but he was too easily distracted by other stuff. He always had too many things going at the same time. He couldn't focus on just doing one thing really well, like Cubby did. He got into some deals that went sour and ended up going bankrupt and having to sell his share of the Bond franchise to Cubby.

Harry could get into heated exchanges very easily. Cubby was the voice of reason when Harry would fly off the handle. John Barry said that he had to throw Harry out of his studio a few times after Harry (who was completely tone deaf when it came to music) got into arguments over the music that John was writing. So yes Harry had a habit of sticking his nose into things that were not in his area of expertise. Cubby also served as a mediator between Connery and Harry on the set of YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE when the friction between the 2 reached a boiling point. It got to the point that if Harry appeared on set Connery would stop in the middle of his scene and just walk off the set and not come back until he was told that Harry was gone. Imagine me behaving this way around my boss. You get out of my face right now or I refuse to work. Connery was purposely being difficult because he wanted out of the Bond series to become a "serious" actor. Both were stubborn individuals so obviously sparks began to fly. Still, you don't behave this way towards the man who discovered you and made you into a superstar. Transformed you from a poor truck driver into a worldwide sex symbol icon with millions upon millions of adoring fans.

For those interested I suggest everyone watch "Everything or Nothing: The Untold Story of 007" which was released around the time of SKYFALL two years ago. It's the best 007 documentary I've ever seen. It's basically feature length - 98 minutes. It starts with Ian Fleming during his spying days and ends with today's Bond Daniel Craig. It's excellent!

Sorry, Mr. Mike. No more Bond talk from me. :)

Added: Friday 19 September 2014 20:47:21 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

Sorry, Vrinda, but Ringfire's comments reflect my understanding, too. You can learn a lot about it by watching a five-part series on You Tube entitled "Inside Dr. No." There was stress between Salzman and Broccoli, but it was Broccoli who kept the series going.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWDJVAsWnBQ

Added: Friday 19 September 2014 19:28:47 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Really, Vrinda! I have no clue where you get any of this nonsense from. So now Jack Lord didn't work on any more Bond films after DR. NO because of Cubby Broccoli? So is he now the man that we're going to tear apart in order to preserve Jack's image? Seriously, you gotta stop with this!

Almost everything I have ever heard about Cubby has been positive. Harry Saltzman was the one who tended to have a temper whereas Cubby was the level-headed one. Cubby always took care of his stars and crew and made sure they all went first class. He spared no expenses for them (which only makes Connery's claims seem that much more ludicrous). Cubby wasn't the stingy one. Connery was. Heck, Cubby even rolled up his sleeves on the set of THE SPY WHO LOVED ME in Egypt and cooked spaghetti for hours until all his crew was fed (this was after the catering failed to show up on location). What other producer would do that?

As for Connery grumbling about money this wasn't back when he was poor. He still grumbles to this day. If you honestly think this is normal behavior (for a man swimming in dough, and who may be at death's door pretty soon) then apparently your sensibilities are just as out of whack as his. He looks at what today's stars are making (or what Pierce Brosnan was making and now Daniel Craig) and feels that he's entitled to the same. WRONG! Different times, different salaries. He needs to get over it. Cubby and Harry renegotiated their salaries as did Connery as the films got more and more lucrative. He signed a piece of paper and he got paid what was agreed. He can't just go back now and demand more money because of how lucrative the franchise turned out. Sorry, old boy. That's not how it works. Should I send him a check every time I sit down to watch GOLDFINGER? I think not. Sure, as the films got more successful everyone's salaries went up. That's how it always goes. Cubby & Harry didn't earn the same money on DR. NO as they did 9 years later on DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER. Same thing with Connery. DR. NO's budget was only 1 million so obviously the salaries of everyone involved couldn't be very lavish, could they? But as the budgets rose so did the salaries. Connery wants retroactive payments now? Sorry, ain't gonna happen. And it shouldn't happen. You signed an agreement. You got paid. End of story. Everything else is just greediness and sour grapes. ESPECIALLY since he went on to an extremely successful post-Bond career - unlike Roger Moore or Timothy Dalton. I mean it really is petty. Imagine me having 500 million in my bank account. But I'm going to b!tch and moan because I really should have 600 million in my account. :!thinking:

Added: Friday 19 September 2014 16:43:39 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Mike, I read on a website somewhere that Broccoli was a suspect in her death, along with several other people. Unlike Ted Healey's death, his suspected role in Todd's death was not specified. Ted Healey purportedly had an affair with Thelma Todd, and DiCicco, along with Broccoli and one other person, were suspected in Healey' death.

I'll look for that site and send you the link.

Added: Thursday 18 September 2014 17:15:29 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Pittsburgh

I just now read that Denny Miller passed away on September 9. I always liked him. I especially enjoyed him in "Pray Love, Remember," and a Magnum episode "A Sense of Debt." Hard to believe he was 80.

Added: Thursday 18 September 2014 16:17:06 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Vrinda, where do you read that Broccoli was involved in the death of Thelma Todd? According to

http://hollywoodessays.com/2013/01/06/did-the-creator-of-the-bond-movies-kill-the-creator-of-the-3-stooges/

"Pasquale 'Pat' DiCicco [Broccoli's first cousin] is repeatedly in the news for nightclub altercations and rumors that he was involved in the mysterious 1935 death of his former wife, actress Thelma Todd."

There is nothing about Broccoli's involvement, at least on this page.

Added: Thursday 18 September 2014 16:06:55 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Even if Connery is a millionaire many times over, there was a time when he was not, and that was when he was doing the James Bond films. When you're an actor, you can be on top one month, then forgotten the next, so you're looking at every acting job which seems like it might be your big break as just that. There was no guarantee that Connery was going to continue having a successful acting career after he left the series, so at the time he was doing the Bond films, he probably saw that as his only chance to hit it big.

There was no excuse for Broccoli and Saltzman to cheat him out of the profits. Despite making millions later on, there is still that feeling of knowing you were burned before and someone pocketed money they was rightfully yours. That is not something a person gets over.

Broccoli was not someone with whom you would want to do business. He was a suspect in Thelma Todd's death and admitted to beating up Ted Healey hours before Healey died, then he fled to England. Maybe Jack knew what dishonest men they were and decided not to work with them further. I never bought that nonsense that he asked for a larger part, co-star billing, etc., given a lot of the facts that surrounding these films.

Added: Thursday 18 September 2014 12:42:39 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Agreed Ringfire. Connery better actor than Moore, but Moore a greater, classier person than Connery. I would rather be Moore, as I think it is more important to be the person that he is off camera, including his work for UNICEF.

Added: Thursday 18 September 2014 10:44:30 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"Ringfire, Your boy Sean Connery lives in the Bahamas most of the year, so he doesn't have to pay Scottish taxes, yet he advocates for Scottish independence hmm. Connery is a great, great actor, one of the all time best, but as a human being less so, for more reasons than just what I mentioned above."

Yep, Connery can be a miserable old git at times. Perhaps that adds to his charm in some ways. I guess he wouldn't be Connery otherwise. But yeah he still holds sour grapes against the Bond producers (both of whom are long dead - Cubby Broccoli and Harry Saltzman) and always maintains that he got stiffed out of his share of profits doing those films. Geez, he became a millionaire almost overnight (from rags to riches - he really was born into poverty) and those 2 guys made him an international superstar. Plus he then got bucket-loads of money during his very successful post-Bond career. What more is he complaining about? What can one do with all that extra money? His only passion in life seems to be playing golf and staying hidden away in the Bahamas (ok, he does donate some money to Scottish charities). Yet he always complains about moneys owed him. As if he never has enough. He's incredibly stingy and has an incredible self of entitlement. I never had respect for people who behave this way. But even outside of monetary issues the man always acts like he has a chip on his shoulder. Always grumbling about something or other. Again, maybe that's part of that roguish Scottish charm of his. ;) Compare him with fellow Bondsman Sir Roger Moore who is always incredibly gracious and gregarious (even at his old age) and always self-deprecating. A generous, warm human being. A UNICEF goodwill ambassador to boot. Always willing to get out there and engage his audience and has written dozens of books about his life and movies and other experiences.

That said, as an actor Sir Sean is a legend! One of my absolute favorites. They don't make 'em like him anymore.

Added: Thursday 18 September 2014 09:52:20 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

The guy who wrote to Mike and said that he was in two episodes of the old Five-O,and "In Harm's Way" in a scene with John Wayne- "WOW" That is a life well lived. Wish it was me. Today's stars just don't have it.

Ringfire, Your boy Sean Connery lives in the Bahamas most of the year, so he doesn't have to pay Scottish taxes, yet he advocates for Scottish independence hmm. Connery is a great, great actor, one of the all time best, but as a human being less so, for more reasons than just what I mentioned above.

Added: Thursday 18 September 2014 07:33:10 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

My mistake. I just went back and looked at pictures from our trip over when we could see the balcony from our room. The balcony was three stories up. I remembered our room as being on the 24th floor, yet a picture of the room number shows we were actually on the 23rd floor. So, three floors up to the balcony is, as you say, Mike, the 26th floor. My apologies.

Added: Thursday 18 September 2014 04:06:30 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The number of the Ilikai Hotel suite where the balcony is located is 2613. I have stood on this balcony. You can see the room number in the video here:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/96conv/Video/balcony1.html

Added: Wednesday 17 September 2014 20:14:04 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

There is no 34th floor in the Ilikai. It is 30 storeys tall. The penthouse balcony is on the 27th floor.

Added: Wednesday 17 September 2014 18:26:15 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

"I don't remember Steve ever getting down and dirty in any scene."

I certainly remember Steve getting down and dirty in many shows - "Pray Love, Remember, Pray Love, Remember" and "Run, Johnny, Run" are two that come to mind. Plus, there was the time Willy Scott pulverized him in "Nine, Ten, You're Dead." The, there are many more.

Added: Wednesday 17 September 2014 17:19:14 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I received a couple of interesting e-mails today:

===

I was fortunate to be in the right place at the right time when the original Five 0 series began. After being accepted to the travel industry Management School at the University of Hawaii in 1964 I was offered the opportunity to enter a management training program with Western International Hotels at the Ilikai Hotel. Starting as a bell boy, I worked in every department in the hotel over an 18 month period and eventually wound up as the General Manger of the once famous Top of the Ilikai Restaurant. As you know, all episodes of the original FIVE O began with Jack Lord looking out to the ocean from the 34th floor of the hotel was also used as a location for one of the episodes of the I dream of Genie series [the balcony is actually on the 26th floor, unless they renumbered the floors - MQ]. I was fortunate to be cast in 2 small roles in Five O, I Dream of Genie, and one of the Magnum PI episodes and a small part in the movie In Harm’s Way in a scene with John Wayne. The Ilikai Hotel is celebrating its 50th anniversary for former Ilikai Hotel employees next week on September 24. So far there are 600 reservations for the anniversary event.

===

Steve's shoulder holster was made of paper leather and the gun was plastic and part of the holster. My mother was a seamstress for the show and the harness was sewn onto the shirt. That's why you never saw the shirt sag from the weight of the gun. I've carried a concealed weapon for 38 years and they have the tendency to pull the shirt to the side of the weapon. You have never seen Steve pull the gun from the holster. Jack hated guns, he only used one to take part in the scene. He always argued against Steve using a gun. Jack had over 60 shirts to wear and at least 20 had the sewn on holster, in case it got dirty. I don't remember Steve ever getting down and dirty in any scene. So maybe this answers some of the questions.

Added: Wednesday 17 September 2014 15:54:52 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

In TV Land, it is common for lawyers to ask that the jury be taken to the crime scene. It was done on Perry Mason many times.

In real life, it is also done. In order for the jury to understand some or all of the evidence, they may have to visit the crime scene. The crime scene is a piece of evidence - albeit too large to brought into the courtroom.

Added: Monday 15 September 2014 20:35:43 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

Everything you said, Mike, is spot on. Even so, "The Case Against Philip Christie" is one of my favorite episodes. I like locked-door mysteries, even though the culprit is always hiding behind the door. That, in itself, makes such a story implausible. Perhaps, that is why all the other implausibilities don't ruin it for me.

What I especially like is the sparring between McGarrett and Minnie Cahoun, who clearly spoke for the rest of the jury when she expressed a desire to wind up things and get back to her personal life. The house was the same one where Cathi Ryan lived in "Man in a Steel Frame." Here, we got to see more of it, which I liked.

My objections to the episode include Danno, Duke, and Fred Ball's character acting like silly kids. And, yes, I found it to be a stretch, allowing the jury to visit the scene of the crime after the case had gone to the jury. One of the attorneys should have requested a visit to the site while the case still was being heard.

Added: Monday 15 September 2014 19:58:09 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Sure, the Philip Christie show has its share of flaws. But I guess I like the idea of having McG be on a jury. It's an interesting "what if" scenario for me.

As for taking to the jury to the scene of the crime they actually did take the jurors in the O.J. trial to Simpson's residence (not sure if they were also taken to Nicole's residence) to take a look at the place. I'm not sure exactly at what stage in the trial this was done but I do know it did happen. It's probably a bit different than this scenario but I guess it can happen. Of course none of the jurors in the O.J. case decided to play lawyer. Though had they done that maybe they would have convicted him. ;)

Added: Monday 15 September 2014 19:42:44 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

This Philip Christie show, which I thought pretty stupid, is full of flaws. The deputy district attorney wants McGarrett on the jury because he figures that McGarrett's presence will be a good excuse for getting a verdict of innocence overturned on appeal. And it probably will be, given what transpires! Danno and Duke actually ask McGarrett questions about the trial while it is still in progress. This is VERY BAD, something that they should not do (and McGarrett should not talk to them about this). McGarrett discusses the trial outside the jury room when the jurors are all having dinner in the restaurant, pitching his ideas to Minnie and a couple of other jurors in a loud voice, which is also VERY BAD, because the jury is not supposed to be talking about the trial in this manner until they are given instructions by the judge and sent to deliberate. (As well, other people in the restaurant could overhear them. What if there is a reporter in the restaurant?) While they are deliberating, McGarrett seemingly overrides the judge, getting the jury taken to the murder scene. The jury is supposed to make a decision based on the evidence that was presented in court and nothing else. By this move, McGarrett makes himself into another defense attorney, who not only gets all of the jury taken to the scene of the crime, but all the witnesses as well, who re-enact the events up to Penny's murder.

Added: Monday 15 September 2014 18:26:08 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Forgot to add, Danno was making bets with Duke that they would not pick Steve for the jury, which also adds to belief amongst some of the characters that Steve would not be chosen.

Added: Monday 15 September 2014 17:31:22 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Yes, Ringfire, a petit jury is the same as a trial jury, and it has to be noted that Steve got the jury notice the way everyone does - in the mail - like in real life. Names for jury duty are drawn from voter registrations, DMV records, income tax records, and even the phone book. They don't take into account whether that person is qualified or not, except that they are over 18. With such a system in place, it's likely a cop would get a jury duty summons. They're not taking into account whether he would make a good juror or not at this point.

Remember, though, Governor Jameson offered to get Steve out of it, and it sounded as though Jameson thought it was a mistake, and the trial lawyers had a choice of whether or not to accept him as a juror. It was not an automatic process, wherein getting a jury duty summons means you're automatically picked for the jury. For the sake of the story, the writer had the lawyers accept Steve but, in real life, they most likely would have said no.

Added: Monday 15 September 2014 13:25:10 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Vrinda, maybe you're right. I won't argue. Petit jury is the same as trial jury, correct?

Still, somehow it seems unlikely that someone in McGarrett's position would be allowed on any kind of jury. Just seems very unlikely in my mind. We're talking about someone who lives and breathes for the sole purpose of eradicating all crime on the islands. He hates criminals with a passion. Of course we know McG to be pretty sharp in solving crimes but in a real-world scenario he would definitely be seen as someone with a serious bias when it comes to crime/murder.

I just don't buy him doing jury duty. But hey, I can let this fly for the sake of the story.

Added: Monday 15 September 2014 10:41:20 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Ringfire - "Forget the fact that McGarrett would never be allowed to serve on a jury - I can let this fly for the sake of the story."

Police officers are allowed to serve on petit juries, which is the one on which Steve was serving. They are not allowed to serve on grand juries. The laws vary from one state to one another, and from one county to another, but it is certain that they are exempt from jury duty for federal trials, but not civil and criminal ones on the county and state level.

Added: Sunday 14 September 2014 20:45:56 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Continuing with season 11... I watched "The Case Against Philip Christie" which is another episodes that I always enjoyed. It's basically a reworking of the 12 ANGRY MEN premise with McGarrett in the Henry Fonda role. I had recently been watching the O.J. Simpson trial (the 1994/1995 one) on YouTube + over 10 hrs of closing arguments for said trial. Yes, I got hooked. Guilty as charged. Really found the whole thing fascinating. Plus I had loved watching MATLOCK since my childhood days. So this episode had always been right up my alley.

That said, there is one huge flaw with this episode that always bothered me and still does. Forget the fact that McGarrett would never be allowed to serve on a jury - I can let this fly for the sake of the story. But the ending where McG seemingly out of thin air deduces that Howard Roman (Joe Moore) was having an affair with Christie's wife and is the killer, without a shred of evidence, is really preposterous. Perhaps even more preposterous is the fact that Roman doesn't even attempt to deny any of this. He just stands there tight-lipped as if he was caught red-handed. McG has absolutely NOTHING on him. No one does. There isn't a prosecutor in this galaxy that could ever convict him. Yet he seemingly stands there like it's all over for him. Like his goose is cooked. I found this absolutely lacking in logic. As if the writers somehow didn't know how to conclude this episode and just decided for the guy to stand there silent, thus incriminating himself. A really mind-boggling ending.

Added: Sunday 14 September 2014 19:14:23 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

Very well said, LB. No one could improve upon the Vashon episodes.

Added: Saturday 13 September 2014 22:07:15 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

H5O 1.0, I probably meant bullhorn, but since this was a fictional scene from the new show, nothing is supposed to make sense!

Added: Saturday 13 September 2014 20:59:30 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

I don't believe the new series should get into remaking any more old episodes beyond "Hookman".

"Hookman" was a good episode for a remake because it was fast paced with shootouts, car chases, and a villain who barely said a word in the original script. Five-O 2.0 handles stories like that reasonably well. The Vashon trilogy was great TV because of a great generational storyline and the strong dislike between the Vashons and McGarrett. In this and the 1975 sequel, there was real tension in the scenes between Jack Lord and Harold Gould, and both actors handled it perfectly. Scenes like these were just as entertaining as the fights and chases. Putting together scripts with that kind of tension between characters is not what 2.0 does well, and "cararguments" don't count. I would hope that they would leave well enough alone, not just with the Vashons but with all of the original episodes.

Added: Saturday 13 September 2014 19:42:46 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

"...blowing shoehorns..."? Do you mean "...blowing bullhorns"?

To paraphrase Monsieur Poirot, "The shoe horn, it is to help slide the beeg foot into the leetle shoe. No, mon ami?"

Added: Saturday 13 September 2014 17:02:52 MST


Submitted by: Anne
From: Tangerine FL

Dang, Vrinda! Sure you don't write for the new show? It fits right in. :D

Added: Friday 12 September 2014 14:48:30 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

I jokingly brought up the idea of the new show rehashing the Vashon story last December, with the following cast and script:

James Carpinello plays Christopher Vashon, Theo Coumbis is Honore, and Vincent Curatola is Dominick. In keeping with the overblown modernization of many elements, Christopher doesn't just rob businesses, he blows them up.

Honore hires a hit man (they borrow Simon Barker from The Mentalist for this role) to shoot McGarrett. Instead of a rifle, he uses an elephant gun. He ends up blowing up a big hole in the side of the Territorial Building, leading to Gov. Denning chewing out Five-O yet again for putting others' lives at risk.

When the first hit man the Vashon's hire rigs Steve's car up to explode, it explodes to the point where it is unrecognizable, with car parts flying everywhere and lots of fire. At that point, Steve's neighbors complain about how this will bring down their property values.

When Steve confronts Dominick after being found guilty of 2nd degree murder, the dialogue goes like this:

Dominick: "What do you want, McGarrett?"

Steve: "I came to see why you were in court yesterday."

Dominck: "To see justice being served."

Steve: "And was it?"

Dominick: "To my satisfaction, yes. You've been suspended from your position, stripped of your gun and your badge, your right to speed through the night, suspects tied to the hood of your car, dumping them in shark cages, blowing shoehorns in their ears, beatings in the blue-lit room, impromptu trips to North Korea. I'd say justice has been served."

Steve: "Is that what you call justice? A frameup, a knife in the back?"

Dominick: "Did I convict you? A jury of your peers did. A respectable judge sentenced you, your own men testified against you - even that clod Williams."

The tip about the cat burglar is provided by Toast the computer guy from Season 3. Al Harrington reprises his role as Mamo, and questions all his sources for information on who could have slipped through the elevator and stolen the gun:

Toast: "A few days ago, he was playing Candy Crush on his smart phone. Then all of a sudden one day, he has a shiny new netbook. He asked me to program it for him. Then, he disappears. No more shiny new netbook." (Hey, Microsoft needs a plug somewhere.)

Added: Thursday 11 September 2014 21:55:46 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Personally I think the Vashon story is ripe for a remake. Justin Bieber as Chris Vashon, Robin Thicke as Honore, and maybe Dr. Phil as Dominick.

Can I pick 'em or what? Bring it on!!

Added: Thursday 11 September 2014 20:29:33 MST


Submitted by: Anne
From: Tangerine, FL

Yeah, I caught that too on the Vashons. I'm with H5O 1.0 Forever....leave the V family alone. I'm afraid of what the 5-0 team would do to them. Maybe Chris and Alex O's McG are related in the new series. :!giggle:

Added: Thursday 11 September 2014 19:15:42 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

ROFL. Who possibly could bring back the Vashons? They don't make 'em like that, anymore -- well, not quite. No. Leave the Vashons alone. Old Nick and Honore told that story better than anyone else ever could.

Added: Thursday 11 September 2014 19:05:08 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

The remake never brought back the Vashons.

Added: Thursday 11 September 2014 17:20:47 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

?????? Wha? :!wondering:

Added: Thursday 11 September 2014 13:45:40 MST


Submitted by: Five-0 Mike
From: Honolulu Hi

Well... I left the discussion group a few years back. Thought maybe things have changed on the forum with the remake bringing back Wo fat Vashon and the others but they havn't with guys like RW so ill be off again. Oh yes the android phone did garble some of what i wrote last night after being up over 24 hours with 14 of them on the 5 0 base camp and a 96 hour work week with 5-0 on numerous sets across oahu. I beg your understanding on that... Well its true season 1 looked more like Starsky and Hutch in Hawaii but the writers have gotten with the program these past 5 years and improvements have been made. Asta la vista baby... :!mad:

Added: Thursday 11 September 2014 13:05:23 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Now you see there, that last post by Anne was nice, normal, well adjusted and pleasant in thought. Sounds like Anne has a happy full life. Get my drift?

Added: Thursday 11 September 2014 10:45:41 MST


Submitted by: Anne
From: Tangerine, FL

Hey Five-0 Mike,

No war here. Glad to see you're active in the new Five-0 and its doing good for you. I don't watch the new show as to me it's a show that should be named something else (further away from Five - zero) and the actors should have different character names. CBS et al., used the name of the original show to guarantee a built in audience. And looking at Alex O, I loved him in Moonlight, but he is not Steve McGarrett. Maybe if it was called something else I would be able to watch it. No reflection on you. Keep on rockin' on. I still enjoy your posts.

Added: Thursday 11 September 2014 09:33:04 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Ah, okay so is that supposed to mean something to me and the others here that have criticized you. One it was hard to read, and even make sense of, and two so am I supposed to be impressed. Dude, stop worrying about what a bunch of strangers think of you on a message board. Mike, who runs this board had dinner with James MacArthur, and knows a ton of people, Vrinda is an accomplished writer and editor who knows a ton of people, do they act like you no. Move on, no one cares.

Changing the subject. I just received Hawaii Five-O Season Five of the old show for my birthday!!

Wohoo!! :!party:

Added: Thursday 11 September 2014 08:06:57 MST


Submitted by: Five-0 Mike
From: 5-0 set Honolulu Hi

Am I mistaken or did Rainbow Warrior from NYC declare war on me. Reference MJQ homepage dated Sunday Sept 24,2000. Hawaii Five-0 The Second Millenium for a flashback...
John Joseph Patrick Ryan was born in Brooklyn NY on Dec 20 1920... Edward Baker Hedges of Brooklyn NY was born in 1919...
Mr JJ Ryan served in WWII with the Army Corp of Engineers Building Bridges in North Africa and Southern Europe and France...
Strangley enough Mr Edward Baker Hedges served in the very same unit during those very same years... As some of the more in the know, know Mr Ryan is none other than birth name and hisstage name Jack Lord.
YES my father worked side by side during the war. My father recognized Jack immediately as the 5-0 premiered in 68 and said he knows that guy.
Jack always talked about taking some college film courses in NYC when the war is over.
Oh by the way.... That 5-0 Second Millenium story I wrote here in 2000 caught Mrs Rose Freemans' eye and I was soon contacted by EMAIL by the late Mister Leonard Freemans wife. She said she saw my story and NEVER to give up! So I didn't...I moved to HONOLULU HI to promote my stories and my writing career. I quickly became well known with the Honolulu Police Dept as a 5-0 story writer...
And it all started right here on the MJQ homepage so long ago... NOW 14 years later I know and work with the second generation Hawaii Five-0 in their 5th season and mingle daily with the actors, crew, writers and yes even from time to time with the producers and both of the Mercury Marquis you all love sitting on our 2 Diamond Head Studio lots...
Thank you Rose for believing in me... I know you have been following my writing from the great beyond...
YOUR TURN Mister Rainbow Warrior. Thank You Mister MJQ for producing such a well planned site for all the 5-0 fans both past and present...
5-0 Forever...
Michael E Hedges, Honolulu Hi

Added: Wednesday 10 September 2014 23:02:15 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

It's not as though a bad guy has to be so bad, he's a vile waste of skin everyone wants to see get killed or some weak, inept bumbler for whom apprehending will be too easy. There is a large middle ground.

He can be clever, sinister, crafty, and even deadly, while still having some qualities which make him a challenge to the hero, but also make the viewer sympathize with him - not the point where they take his side, but to where they understand why he is doing what he is doing, and that he believes in whatever values he is abiding by. That makes the bad guy more complex and unpredictable.

When he's just bad all over, there's not much the writers can do with him.

That's why Christopher Vashon lasted only one episode, while his father and grandfather lasted for at least three and two more, respectively. Honore and Dominick came across as likeable, sympathetic characters in Part 1. Chris was just a brat and there was no chance for further development.

Added: Wednesday 10 September 2014 14:51:33 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"If you make a villain too bad, no one wants to read/watch him."

Again I have to disagree. The nastier the villain is the more fun he is to watch. That's what made Five-0 villains so great. Otherwise they'd be very "vanilla plain" villains like on MAGNUM PI and who cares about those?

Added: Wednesday 10 September 2014 12:06:28 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

Ringfire, that's what the writing teachers say. If you make a villain too bad, no one wants to read/watch him. By the same token, if you make a hero too good, no one wants to read/watch him.

Added: Wednesday 10 September 2014 05:42:17 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"And, then, there is the fact that even a villain needs to have at least one redeeming quality."

I'm not sure I agree. Some people are just plain nasty with seemingly no redeeming qualities (or at least none that we can see). So I don't think that a villain *HAS* to have redeeming qualities. Hey, that's why he's a villain in the first place. Some do and some don't. Mel Ferrer's villain was just a very mechanical and emotionally detached type of villain who was in it for the money. Nothing else really mattered. He was for sale to the highest bidder and he made sure he got his work done.

"To Kill a Mind" is my favorite of the Pat Hingle/Ormsbee episodes.

Also, you mentioned that Jack Lord and Pat Hingle look like brothers? Wow! That's a first. I sure don't see it.

Added: Tuesday 09 September 2014 14:10:26 MST


Submitted by: Five-0 Mike
From: Honolulu Hi

Yo Rick from Newport Beach... That's affirmative. Full moon tonight. 2 episodes in production this week...#506 Ho'oma'iki and #507 Ina'Paha. Lots of action a couple nights ago. We were taking down the northern Ireland mob at sea. As you all may have guessed by now I am working on the 5-0 set now... cant say much else more... As a matter of fact I'm just across the street from young Steve McGarrett's Aina Haina stage home now. BOOK EM DANNO.

Added: Tuesday 09 September 2014 03:04:12 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Thanks for your response, John.

H5O 1.0, it also pains me to see Steve being tortured in "Nine Dragons," and being framed for murder in "Man in a Steel Frame." It was heart-wrenching to see Det. Matsuda handcuffing Steve. I don't know why Danno didn't step in and tell Matsuda that it wasn't necessary. Did Matsuda think Steve was going to kill him, too?

Jack must have become good friends with Camilla Sparv, though. He made a necklace for her. His estate auctioned off an envelope on which Jack wrote, "One necklace for Camilla Sparv." The necklace was not included.

Added: Monday 08 September 2014 23:06:14 MST


Submitted by: Joel D.
From: North Idaho

I also enjoyed seeing bits of "Strangers in Our Own Land" Sunday evening, mainly during commercials of the football game (my son was watching that).

Funny thing, with all the old cars, clothes and hairstyles on the show, the thing that jumped out to my kids was Danno and some other cop smoking in McGarrett's office. They just don't do that on TV anymore ... and that's probably a good thing!

Added: Monday 08 September 2014 19:54:00 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

Actually, Ringfire, "To Kill a Mind" is my least favorite of the Pat Hingle episodes. I can't believe that woman oceanographer, Margaret Hammond (Laura Campbell), made it to a Ph.D. without learning how to stand her ground. Her brother, David (Bill Langenheim), came across as a wimp. And, then, there is the fact that even a villain needs to have at least one redeeming quality. Emil Radick (Mel Ferrer) had none, at all! Even Wo Fat has a soft spot in his heart for children.

But, yes. I like the Pat Hingle episodes. In the first place, I like Pat Hingle, both as an actor and as a man. He was one of the good guys. In the second place, I like the Brick vs. Gooper Pollitt ("Cat on a Hot Tin Roof")-like sparring between Ormsbee and McGarrett. They even look like brothers, a fact Elia Kazan recognized in 1955.

At the end of "The Defector" (Season 8), when Ormsbee finds it difficult to thank McGarrett for getting him out of a tight spot, the brotherly element was very nicely seen. Of course, in "To Kill a Mind" and "Man on Fire," they were at it again. Yep! Just like brothers.

Added: Monday 08 September 2014 19:15:13 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Ringfire & HFO Forever, here are my Top 5 Season 9 Episodes. It was an excelllent season.

1.The Last Of The Great Paperhangers. HRH was an excellent character & a strong story throughout. Love the recreation of the Navy cats & uniforms in the bank heist.

2.Blood Money Is Hard To Wash. Another excellent episode with Victor Jovanko trying to muscle in on Hawaii. Features an exploding statue, an attack on McGarrett shooting after his haircut, & another attempt on McG at hospital. Great action & quote lines throughout.

3.Nine Dragons. The story of the nerve gas Wo Fat's torture of McGarrett & the beautiful scenery...Like a James Bond movie. Many memorable scenes like McG diving in the water & rescued.

4.Tour De Force Killer Aboard. Outstanding acting Robert Houston mission killing an OPEC minister. Sandi Welles appears & jump starts story to a high level.

5.Assault On The Palace. Love the Wilcox Rebellion story & the bank robbery. Some great action. Poor Henry! John

Added: Monday 08 September 2014 16:10:34 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I like your top 5 list, H50 1.0 FOREVER.

EXCEPT #2. I have no clue what that is doing there. Surely a typo on your part. ;)

The only 2 episodes that are worse than that one would have to be "Let Death Do Us Part" and "See How She Runs". If you really wanted to go with a Pat Hingle/Grant Ormsbee episode you should have picked "To Kill a Mind". A much, much better episode!

Added: Monday 08 September 2014 15:00:40 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

Ah, yes! I had forgotten about the "Sunny Good Street" comment.

Here are my 5 favorite Season 9 episodes:
1. "The Bells Toll at Noon"
2. "Man on Fire"
3. "The Last of the Great Paperhangers"
4. "Blood Money is Hard to Wash"
5. "Tour de Force - Killer Aboard"

I do like "Nine Dragons," but I find it hard to watch -- Barbara Dalton's (Dina Merrill) is just a jerk! And the torture sequence is too painful for me. Still, it was very well done. Similarly, "Man in a Steel Frame" is painful to watch, which keeps it off my list.

Added: Monday 08 September 2014 13:49:05 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"Great review. One of my guilty pleasure episodes is "Blood Money is Hard to Wash"."

Yep, excellent episode! I used to like it. Now I love it. In fact I think it has overtaken "Elegy in a Rainforest" for the #5 spot of my top 5 episodes from season 9.

1. A Capitol Crime
2. The Bells Toll at Noon
3. Target - A Cop
4. Man in a Steel Frame
5. Blood Money is Hard to Wash

Sorry, "Nine Dragons" (fine episode) doesn't make the cut.

I agree that Victor Jovanko has some real zingers in this episode. Dane Clark appeared 3 times on this show and this was by far his best performance! Let's not forget his "Sunny Good Street" comment about McG. :D

Gotta love Augie too. Terry Kiser is always great! Love how he reaches for his notepad on his car dash with his bare feet. "McGarrett, my friend, I'm beginning to know you".

Added: Monday 08 September 2014 10:57:49 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Vrinda--I think the answer to the horse sculpture bomb in Blood Money Is Hard To Wash is that Victor probably purchased several of the statuettes. Maybe 2. They used 1 to put the bomb in & 1 to compare it to similar to the Lion head Alicia Warren created in Death Mask. McGarrett probably wouldnt know how heavy the statue should be. I remember he mentioned about the weight of it. Lucky Lani & Danno moved the statue away over or there would be deaths.

Many enjoyable moments in Blood Money especially when McG was shot at after his haircut. Augie was a good villain & excellent at surveillance...Remember Dylan in V for Vashon The Father. Seeing the classic HFO episodes always makes me smile. 9 seasons in and it was still going strong. John :)

Added: Monday 08 September 2014 01:24:49 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Hi, Anne. You're welcome. I don't remember if Jovanko had diabetic ketoacidosis or hypoglycemia, but just that he really did have to be hospitalized, to make his presence in the hospital legit. Otherwise, the hospital would get suspicious if they checked him out and found nothing wrong with him. He took a great risk, though. I thought he could have gotten a fake medical ID bracelet, but then he would be found out if he did that, too. In the end, he tried to kill Steve and the others, so the jerk got his just desserts.

I agree, Steve should not have been on crutches. He was not well enough to do so, but maybe they couldn't get an extra to play the part, and could not use a real orderly.

Added: Sunday 07 September 2014 23:10:55 MST


Submitted by: Anne
From: Tangerine, FL

"When Danno told him to freeze, that doesn't mean freeze and never move. He wanted him to stop where he was and not pull the trigger. That allows Duke to tell him to drop the gun."

Hi Vrinda, thanks, but I understand what they mean when they say "freeze". I just thought it was a funny kind of contradiction.

My issue is he would have to really be a brittle diabetic to fall into a DKA coma. Although it makes sense. When I deal with diabetic patients who go too high in the sugars and do develop DKA (diabetic ketoacidosis) they are hospitalized to be stabilized. Patients with hypogylcemic episodes sometimes are hospitalized too, but not always. Ah, well, will just have to watch the episode again for an escape.

Added: Sunday 07 September 2014 20:40:06 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Good analysis Ringfire on Deadly Courier. Im a big fan of Classic HFO as well as Season 11 HFO. It was a very creative episode for its time. How did a bomb get inside the attache case of respected courier Walter Sherman as he was chained to it? A big mystery. John Enslow also was a powerful figure & added to the mystery. Was he somehow involved? They received a break with the initials HKA on tattered exploded case. Traced to Hakimas. The bomb explosion & shattered glass was expertly done.I wilI usually rewind that part 5x. Always wondered: s Hakima's death an accident? Or did the conspirators silence Hakima? If they did kill Hakima, who would they get to put the bombs in the suitcases?

Enjoyed Deadly Courier. I would think 90% of men would drink the tea like Danno. The women were friendly & beautiful. Who would have thought? fht. Liked the brainwashing & torture sessions on Danno. Now you (seeairport )Sherman same brainwashing. Outstanding episode till the final airport scene. 4 stars out of 6.**** John

Added: Sunday 07 September 2014 19:53:40 MST


Submitted by: Robert
From: Anaheim, CA

Just watched 2. Strangers in Our Own Land***
Original air date: 10/3/68 and noticed the calendar on the wall and decided to Google it and say your site. I noticed many of the same things you commented on.

Good episode.

Rob :D

Added: Sunday 07 September 2014 18:43:23 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Type-o: Jovanko did not take enough insulin.

Added: Sunday 07 September 2014 13:36:56 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

There are some excellent lines in "Blood Money is Hard to Wash”:

Victor Jovanko (Dane Clark): Friend of yours?
Burt Davis (Ed Sheehan): He's from Five-0.
Victor Jovanko: What's that?
Danno (JMac): Department of Laundry Inspection

Ed Gurney (Lee Stetson): You might want to go a little slower. Things are different in the islands.
Victor Jovanko: Aw, come on. It's just Cleveland with coconuts.

Victor Jovanko: "There must be some way of handling these backwater deputies."

Victor Jovanko: The phones are tapped. Say hello to Officer McGarrett.
Albert Jovanko (Barry Russo): McGarrett?
Victor Jovanko: Yeah. Scoutmaster, Troop Five-0.

When McGarrett stands in the closet, leaning on crutches, his head wrapped in bandages, he reminds me of Kellman (Milton Selzer) in another Season 9 episode, "The Bells Toll at Noon.”

Added: Sunday 07 September 2014 13:38:50 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

It was implied that Jovanko did not enough insulin, often ignoring to do so. His wife pleads with Augie in San Francisco to make sure he takes his insulin, which indicated that he doesn't take it when he should.

When Danno told him to freeze, that doesn't mean freeze and never move. He wanted him to stop where he was and not pull the trigger. That allows Duke to tell him to drop the gun.

My issue is the horse sculpture bomb. How did Augie get the explosive material into it, when he did not even make the bomb from scratch himself? The kids at the special education school made it. The platform was too flat to hold explosives, so he had to open the horse to put it inside. How did he do so without damaging the statuette? And how was he sure the bomb would go off when it did? There was no timer or remote control.

I saw this episode only once, so I don't know if all this was explained or not.

Added: Sunday 07 September 2014 13:26:13 MST


Submitted by: Anne
From: Tangerine, FL

Great review. One of my guilty pleasure episodes is "Blood Money is Hard to Wash". Jovanko trying to horn in on the mobster scene. Joanne Worley being quiet for once. It's fun to watch and you have to hand it to Jovanko...he completed the ultimate "get 'em" as he nearly wiped out the whole Five-O team. I have to laugh at the inaccuracies of the medical aspects of it though. I can forgive the diabetic coma as they never said if he took too much insulin or didn't take any at all. (DKA can take longer. Hypoglycemia can happen at the drop of a hat.) I laugh at the ending when they catch Jovanko. I believe Danno tells him to "Freeze" then Duke him to "drop it". (Well, guys, what do you want him to do?) And Steve hiding in a closet propped up on crutches--- has a head injury :!wondering: -- and can do rather well in telling Danno to Book 'em. Hmmm, will have to watch this one again. I need a vacation.

Added: Sunday 07 September 2014 10:25:22 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

Yes- HERE TODAY,GONE TONIGHT in two words... far fetched... LOL.

DEADLY COURIER- Nice job breaking it down as usual ringfire. I always enjoy your episode analysis.

Been watching a lot of metv. It's a veritable crossover goldmine of actors from FIVE-O.

Added: Saturday 06 September 2014 18:37:42 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Watched "Deadly Courier" last night. Always considered it one of the best from season 11 but I hadn't seen it in forever. So I was curious how it would hold up. Well, it's still as great as I remembered (especially for season 11). Was it far-fetched? Sure. But it was entertaining and appropriately suspenseful. And unlike "The Sleeper" (which I also liked) this espionage tale actually moved at a faster pace. So extra points for that. As far as it being far-fetched I think the season 5 episode "Here Today, Gone Tonight" is probably even more far-fetched (maybe) but I still love it. Even more so than "Courier". Somehow the concept is way too intriguing to just dismiss it wholesale because it seems preposterous.

Anyway, the scene where Danno is being finger-printed via the easy chair that he's sitting in (by just resting his hands on the cushioned arm rests) is laugh-out-loud ridiculous (no arguments there) but I like that scene because it reminds me of the scene in the Bond film YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE where Connery's Bond is being X-rayed from behind an "X-ray desk" as he's sitting in an easy chair across from that desk (just like Danno). The guy doing the scanning in the Bond flick is none other than FIVE-0 alum Teru Shimada (from "The Reunion") playing SPECTRE operative Osato. Anyway, the scene where the babely Marla gives Danno the gun and tells him to shoot the equally babely receptionist Sulaine (to test his brainwashing) is a bit unclear. He shoots her and then it cuts to the wave. I'm guessing he shot her with blanks. But it's unclear. Does this spy ring regularly test its subjects by having them kill their own operatives like that? Seems unlikely. So I'm guessing they were blanks in the gun.

The music by John Cacavas was quite good - particularly the opening sequence of Sherman delivering that attache case before it explodes. I did detect a bit of the John Barry sound there. I also thought the sound during the brainwashing was very effective. Parts of it had a hollow drum sound to it (like in "Cacoon"). That whole scene (with the revolving colored glass) was done very well.

Added: Friday 05 September 2014 21:29:44 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Top this for trivia, sent to me by a fellow in England:

In episode 125, "The Sunday Torch”, in the end scene where the smoke clears to reveal Steve McGarrett where two officers are holding smoke generators to pretend there was a real fire and obscure Steve's presence until the last moment -- this model of smoke machine is called a Mole Richardson Fogmaker, and were the industry standard hand portable smoke generator in the US around that time. They've been going for donkeys years (since 1963 I believe), and indeed they are still made today, and look exactly the same!

Then in episode 123, "Charter for Death”, the same model fogger is used as a disinfecting instrument on the boat. This time they have fitted the optional dry ice basket on the front of the machine, presumably to make it look more complicated (but in reality this attachment would have been filled with dry ice pellets and used to cool the smoke so that it falls to the ground for a spooky low fog effect).

I am the owner of a company who specialises in selling smoke machines, so you can imagine my surprise when these units were seen in-vision!

Added: Friday 05 September 2014 09:31:46 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

>>>Are you the same Mike who was constantly trying to promote his Five-0 script ideas in the forum many years ago?<<<

LOL ...yup, that would be the guy.

Added: Thursday 04 September 2014 22:36:07 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Was listening to some of Bruce Broughton's film scores. He's probably best known for SILVERADO and TOMBSTONE.

Check out this track from SILVERADO: bit.ly/1qAI5wJ
The beginning sounds like it could have been straight out of FIVE-0, especially "McGarrett is Missing". Bruce uses those low strings and that brass so effectively. Always creates a creepy atmosphere.

And here is his music from one of my favorite thrillers (terribly underrated) from director Peter Hyams and starring Gene Hackman (in probably my favorite role of his) and Anne Archer - NARROW MARGIN. bit.ly/1rP2LoF

Added: Thursday 04 September 2014 16:04:17 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

Aw, shucks! They're off to share a beer, just as the fur was starting to fly. Men!

Added: Wednesday 03 September 2014 12:16:19 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

I think Ron Colby was one of the coolest villains McGarrett apprehended in Steal Now Pay Later. He always had beautiful girls with him & had those dark sunglasses. Colby had the Work Hard,Play Hard down to a science.

Too bad the criminals in Colby's ring killed the undercover Federal Agent. They placed him in a refrigerator from the stolen merchandise tracing some of the items to Hawaii. McGarrett and the HFO team worked hard to find the mysterious Colby & the warehouses.

I dont think most Hawaii Five O Classic fans would put Steal Now Pay Later in their Top 20 but solid episode. 4 stars out of 6. The ending was classic with the cassette recorders & Colby's confession. Agree genius! Duke even had a cassette recorder. John :)

Added: Wednesday 03 September 2014 11:43:45 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

If Oscar and I agree than there is hope for world peace, Republicans and Democrats getting along, and cats and dogs living together in harmony.

Beers( or the non-alcoholic)drink of your choice for everyone Mr. Mike!

Added: Wednesday 03 September 2014 10:31:01 MST


Submitted by: Oscar van Hemel
From: Seattle, WA

Rainbow Warrior and I have had our differences in the past, but I agree with him completely in the postings he just made. Are you the same Mike who was constantly trying to promote his Five-0 script ideas in the forum many years ago? Well, I'm sure we all "wish you well in your endeavors." (This is more sarcasm, in case you don't get it.)

Added: Wednesday 03 September 2014 07:58:21 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Here we go...Ah "Hanger on Mike in Honolulu" if you think what I wrote was slander you need to get an education because that was a satirical opinion of their performances on the show which most people could see, and if you think that was slander you need to 1. get an education, 2. get some real world life experience because you don't know what real slander is, and 3. stop hanging around butt kissing low level TV stars to make you feel like your simple nondescript life has some meaning.

Whether your doing PR for the show, work for the show, or just need a life and hanging around the show let me give you some advice wannabe or never was, you better be careful about who you pick a fight with because some of us have actually had real jobs in television and movies on productions that were legendary and people watched in huge numbers that will never be forgotten unlike that production that you are obviously paid to promote goldfish, so go back to trying to validate your life by brown nosing small time tv stars on a show that no one will remember once it goes off the air, and people barely talk about on. One last thing, if you don't work for the new Five-o please get a job dude, and stop hanging around the set. Most people on here will tell you that I don't care about the personal lives of actors and actresses and how they are, that's why their called "personal"

Added: Wednesday 03 September 2014 07:37:30 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Say Lambert had kept his mouth shut. A Part II of Assault On The Palace would have been interesting with the Trial. The Prosecution with John Manicote would have used evidence like Lambert was one of Henry 's last phone calls & the content of the Wilcox rebellion itself which Lambert designed & wrote. Horton would have been a powerful witness against Lambert. Money found at the museum also would be introduced into evidence.

The Defense. I think the defense would argue that a lower level Museum employee conspired with Horton to commit the robbery. The lawyer would argue that Lambert had no opportunity to commit the robbery. He was at the celebration & a Speaker. They would probably say Lambert had no criminal record & was a "Pillar Of The Community ." Why would he suddenly become a criminal?

In the end, I think the jury would find Lambert GUILTY. YOU can connect enough dots to Lambert the killing of Henry & the bank robbery. Would have been a nice part 2. John

Added: Tuesday 02 September 2014 21:43:37 MST


Submitted by: Five-0 Mike
From: Honolulu Hi

Hey Rainbow Warrior... Scott doesn't look all that bored or worried to me! He is really a great fun living guy. He loses to soccer kick a ball around to his dalmation type dog in between sets whenever possible in the beach parks. He loves eating pasta and always gets a second serving... Daniel Dae kim is the greatest and most friendly guy you can imagine. I love his small Japanese bred Siberian husky like dog... Alex is a very busy man but once you show you respect him as a person not an actor and break the ice with him you can see he also is a great guy. Grace is always cheerful around the set and has a baby to go home to after each days shoot... Looks like Grover is still adjusting to working under the hot Hawaiian sun but it can be a real scorcher here in the summertime... As a matter of fact the entire cast and crew and production team are all # 1 in my opinion so watch your slander about people you really don't know... :!devil:

Added: Tuesday 02 September 2014 19:07:25 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Agree on your Assault On The Palace discussion Ringfire. It was very creative for Season 9 they the HFO writers came up with something new. Loved & enjoyed the whole scene with the Wilcox Raiders dressed in red shirts & firing the cannons. One of my FAV scenes when they dynamited the safe at the same time as cannon fire to drown out the explosion.

It should have worked the plan & robbery. McGarrett realized Lambert was one of the last people Henry called & that the historian & professor hada big ? on front of the program. Bad luck for Lambert. havquestions too:1.Why didnt Lambert just bury Henry in that massive hole? He left a part of hand/arm visible which the hill hikers (era )noticed. 2.How did he know Horton would take the job as a released prisoner? 3.What would they have done with the Wilcox Raiders who were in the tower & did not participate in the bank robbery? They were loose ends.

I didnt like the ending. Lambert was very intelligent & well-planned through the entire episode. They made him unhinged at the end. Shooting at McGarrett & ratting out the accomplices. McGarrett saw Lambert at the big holiday celebration. I would think that would be reasonable doubt to a jury. Lambert even was a Speaker during the Wilcox Rebellion segment. Still love the creativity of the episode. JOHN

Added: Tuesday 02 September 2014 16:59:53 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

All good points, Ringfire. Besides, when the money was found there -- as, sooner or later, it would be -- all eyes would turn to the museum employees and, in time, to Lambert. All too obvious.

Rainbow, "You're just too good to be true." That is, parking 'em all at the Hilton Hawaiian Village is just too good to be true. Why not park them in chairs on the beach at sunset, roll the footage, and show the REAL McGarrett & Co. nabbing the criminals in the first 15 minutes that it has taken the FAKE team four seasons to nab. Then, show the criminals in striped pajamas, pulling files from the soles of their shoes, while, in the background, Frankie Valli croons the theme song using Sammy Davis, Jr.'s lyrics.

Added: Tuesday 02 September 2014 14:29:33 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"What you Classic Hawaii Five O fans think about Wilcox Raiders & the re-enactment in Assault On The Palace Season 9???"

I always liked this episode. 3 stars out of 4!

I do have a question about the actual heist. After the Wilcox Rebellion is "finished" we see some of the "rebels" come out of the bank with their hands raised as they surrender. But a few of them remain in the bank because they're cleaning out the vault. So my 2 questions are:

1. Wouldn't any of the parade spectators notice that not all of the "rebels" have come out of the bank?
2. It seems like those few "rebels" remained in the bank for quite some time even after the parade was over (until the getaway ice cream truck arrived). Wouldn't someone enter the bank as soon as the Rebellion "ended" and walk in on the robbery in progress?

These are my 2 issues that I have with the actual heist itself. I also have a quibble with the fact that at the end we see that Lambert hid the cash under some vase on the actual premises of the Museum. Really? Why? Why not hide it in some remote location? How long did Lambert actually plan on hiding that cash in that spot? It seems really dumb. It's almost like he was being chased by someone and just decided to stash it under that vase in a last ditch effort to conceal his loot. It doesn't make sense for that cash to be hidden there like that. What if someone from the Museum staff found it? Did Horton really bring that bag of money to Lambert right there at the Museum? Highly unlikely! They no doubt met at some remote location, so the money being hidden under that vase at the Museum makes little sense.

Added: Tuesday 02 September 2014 13:30:56 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

I hear that Frankie Valli is joining the cast of the new Five-O this season. I love Frankie, and I have an idea for the new show. Why don't they just have Frankie sing every week instead of the regular show, and the whole cast can just sit around the club watching him sing for the whole episode while they drink beers. They can show Grace Park sitting there all bored checking her phone while thinking "Is my contract up?" Scott Caan can sit there moaning to himself about how much he misses his friends in the states while thinking "Is my contract up?" Alex can sit there thinking "I'm really trying hard, but this show just bites." while Garcia and Grover can sit there thinking "God, it's great living in Hawaii while making this kind of money!" Oh, wait, they kind of do that already don't they?

Here's to Frankie Vallie! Grease is the word!

Added: Tuesday 02 September 2014 07:06:44 MST


Submitted by: Five-0 Mike
From: Honolulu Hi

Oh I almost forgot...Last week at our Kaka'ako parking lot base camp the A L S ice bucket challenge with Alex (MC GARRETT), Danny (CHIN HO), and our big friend from lost Garcia cooled the guys off after a really hot days shoot on Bethel street in Chinatown. Check it out.the sun really turned my face into a raccoon eyes that day. I even offered Alex my sunglasses when i saw him squinting coming outside the make up trailer. :!cool:

Added: Monday 01 September 2014 12:47:53 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

With many Classic HFO episode legends dying in recent years, I wonder who are the oldest living HFO alumni. Gerald S. O'Laughlin is in his early 90's. Clu Gallagher & Joanne Linville in mid to late 80's now. Abe Vigoda 90's as well. It is always a blessing when some of your FAV actors & actresses live a long life.

Today's Classic HFO Review The Ransom. Kono suffers severe beatings in this one. Tough episode to watch if a Kono fan. It was a great makeup job how they made Kono's face look beaten. It shows Kono's love & sacrifice when he lifted the young kidnapped boy on his shoulders to his freedom. Kono knew that this would result in beatings but he saved the boy's life.

The mastermind was an intelligent criminal but the underlings started to make mistakes. Love when McGarrett arrives to gas up the boat. He checks out the area looking for Kono. It was very realistic when the criminal splashed gasoline in McG's eyes. He started emoting & grimaced e arly from the burning pain. Outstanding acting. The man tried to escape on the speedboat but McGarrett struck the tank causing a small fire. Kono was rescued. I would give The Ransom 4.5 stars on my 6 star system. Happy Labor Day! John

Added: Monday 01 September 2014 11:27:45 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Dennis Chun (Duke Lukela on the new show) has a Facebook fan page of his own:

https://www.facebook.com/dennischunfanpage

As far as I can determine, you don't have to be on Facebook to see this. If you want to post there, you would, though.

Added: Monday 01 September 2014 08:57:46 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

"I was wondering if you would have had more sympathy for the People's Attack Group in The Young Assassins say they had a cause or Reasons for their attacks. Wish they had developed more of what the People Attack Groups motivations or Reasons were. Instead, these guys were just terrorists who killed for thrills."

It's very hard to develop sympathy for the PAG. Do you mean you want to know why they became the way they were -- because they were not breast-fed as children or some other reason that helps keep social workers employed?

To be very blunt, these people were seriously fucked up, shooting people in public and spouting "radical" banalities while being led by some guy who was a hard-time criminal. Sounds like Charles Manson's "Family" rather than some political protest group. I wouldn't even consider these guys "terrorists."

Added: Monday 01 September 2014 08:13:48 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

"Arthur could have just buried Henry & he would have never been found."

I'm sure a lot of people who are the victims of murder and other crimes are buried, but guess what ... many of these people seem to be FOUND! Comedian Norm MacDonald has a routine about this ... that killers usually bury people in a SHALLOW GRAVE. What is stupider? Obviously these people will be found; they should be buried in a DEEP GRAVE.

You often see people buried in this fashion on TV shows and they are inevitably found later.

I am currently reading books about the Australian serial killer Ivan Milat, who was a VERY, VERY nasty guy. He would torture and murder people and bury them in an elaborate way in this forest. But, guess what ... several of his victims were found by outdoorsy people who were traipsing through these forests years later. And guess what ... using this evidence, Milat was put in jail for life.

Added: Monday 01 September 2014 07:56:54 MST


Submitted by: Theresa
From: Buffalo, NY

The Star Advertiser reports today the death of James Shigeta, 85, another H50 alum. [I think you mean the Advertiser is reporting on the memorial service for Shigeta. I can't read this whole article, because the Advertiser doesn't want you to read all of it unless you pay money. -- MQ] Jimmy Borges sang "I'll Be Seeing You" at the service. Mr. Shigeta died on July 28 and will be buried at Punchbowl. He played Joseph Matsukino in Deathwatch, 1968 according to IMDB.

Added: Monday 01 September 2014 07:44:45 MST


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