Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- September 2013

The Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- September 2013


The following are archived comments from September 2013. After looking around, please add your own comments!

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Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Unbelievably bad reviews at the examiner.com WWW site. Both of these read like they are written by rookie reviewers.

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http://www.examiner.com/article/9-million-hawaii-five-0-tv-fans-tune-into-explosive-season-premiere

"Hawaii Five-0” is now in its' [sic] 4th TV season on CBS."

"They boarded a ship sailing for nowhere."

No, it's going to China.

"A group of terrorist's [sic] attacked that cell to free Wo-Fat."

"Steve & Danno question a wounded terrorist as a Mexican group invades the office of "Five-0.”

Whoever said they were Mexican? Two of the leaders were from Peru.

"He wants his other group of terrorist's [sic] freed or they will kill the girlfriend. They beat her up while talking to Steve on his iphone [I don't think so, Microsoft is a sponsor!]. He decides to free the terrorist's [sic] by ambushing the van they were held in.

"What did the Mexican terrorist's [sic] want?"

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http://www.examiner.com/article/hawaii-five-0-season-4-premiere-now-on-friday-nights

"The NLM took complete control over Iolani Palace where Five-0 has its headquarters."

No, the Iolani Palace is where the old Five-O's offices were located. The new Five-0 is in the Ali'iolani Hale, across the street from the palace. The military guy who spoke to McGarrett's girl friend Catherine, and an announcer on the radio both mentioned the palace as where the hostage drama was taking place, but they were both wrong.

"If that wasn’t enough, the leader of the NLM, El Condor, managed to escape during an intense car chase scene. He then kidnaps McGarrett’s girlfriend, a naval intelligence officer."

Huh? The kidnapping came first. El Condor later escaped after the SUV that he and his compadres were in was forced off the road by the cops in a spectacular stunt.

Added: Monday 30 September 2013 22:10:09 MST


Submitted by: Luis I. Reyes
From: Los angeles,ca

I am the co-author of the new 2012 page highly illusrated book, The Hawaii Movie and TV Book with Ed Rampell. The book has a section on Island crime fighters and Includes both the original and new Hawaii Five-0 as well as many other Hawaii Movies and Tv shows from 1995 to the present as well as significant achievemnets of the past.

Mutual publishing is releasing the book in November and is making a special Limited Time pre-publication price offer of $20.00 The retail book store price will be 25.95.

Call Mutual Publishing of Honolulu at 808-732-1709

You won't be dissapointed. It will make a great Christmas gift for the Hawaii Five-0 Aficionado :D

Added: Monday 30 September 2013 18:59:49 MST


Submitted by: Joekido

The champ box is about to make a return. The champ box has always been a problem because it has been a mess

Added: Monday 30 September 2013 12:44:12 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

The great thing about television and movies Mike, is that they are subjective and people get different things out of them. I certainly like things that others do not, so I don't have a problem with you liking either of those episodes. I just prefer straight dead serious drama, and changing tones in any show throws me off.

A friend of mine just sent me the first season of SWAT to me through the mail for my birthday! What a nice surprise!

Added: Monday 30 September 2013 09:13:28 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I thought that Danno blabbing about his love life while McG was doing CPR on the guy was pretty funny. It was sort of a parody of the typical "carguments" which these two have, but I don't know if the writers for the show would know a parody if it bit them on the butt. (What do we call this discussion they were having -- a CPR-gument? LOL!)

Don't forget, I actually liked the Aisha Tyler talk show episode last season which most people would put in the same category as drinking their own diarrhea. I was surprised when I posted on IMDB that this episode was a guilty pleasure for me that several others, including some high-profile contributors to the IMDB forum, said that they also liked it.

Added: Monday 30 September 2013 07:54:47 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Lenkov handing out bakery CocoPuffs to the faithful is perfect symbolism as he made the new show a "puff show" the last three years and one premiere.

The new show was the same old mixed bag. There was a lot I liked, a lot I hated, and yes I did love the Five-o theme being used subtly in the show like Mike did for the first time. However when Katherine said "Let's get some beers..." at the end I roared at how much like a beer commercial from the 1980's it sounded. Yes, Five-O team it's Miller time!!!...These young writers have no life experience so they write how they end all their days every day, by going out drinking and getting blasted. How lame. Their was some promising stuff and I agree with the things Mike liked, but the show seems tired to me, and it's too far into the run to expect them to be consistent, I mean the scene where Alex is giving CPR to the brother dying on the floor, and Danno is telling him about his love life was just so awful and contrived. Cancel the thing already.

I'm sorry Barbara will not have events to go to every year, but since I have no personal agenda in the show being on or not, the show just can't be good consistently and I have lost faith that it ever will be. Every show should be like the child kidnapping show they had last year from beginning to end, and if they did that week in and week out they would have something, but instead it's "Steve, I know your busy doing CPR and trying to save that guy's life on the floor, but I need to tell you about my feelings in regards to my girlfriend." Save me.

Added: Monday 30 September 2013 07:14:11 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"The Five-O theme was heard when Chin Ho was carrying the wounded woman out of the building. You can see that here: "

It really is mind-boggling how they went through 3 full seasons and only now decided to include a little snippet of the theme. :!surprised:

Too little too late doesn't even begin to describe my feelings. Did it never occur to them that the Five-0 theme might be more preferable to droning noise?

But then why should any of this be surprising when they've really been going out of their way to distance themselves from the spirit of the original from day one?

Added: Sunday 29 September 2013 21:21:27 MST


Submitted by: Sharon
From: South Carolina

I had a hard time following the plot. Questions like who is trying to do what, and why, never seem to get resolved. Or maybe they did. I just couldn't follow because the loud music was distracting from the dialogue. I do love the Kono and Adam romance. I hope the writers do not need to destroy this one light of the show, but feel the way this shows goes, they probably will. Soon.

Added: Sunday 29 September 2013 08:13:43 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Wayne Harada predicts the Chi McBride character might be the saving grace for the show. I think he might be right. I was kind of disappointed in the show last night, I thought McBride would have a lot more screen time, bitchin' to McGarrett like Scott Brady did in the original show's "The Hostage."

http://showandtellhawaii.staradvertiserblogs.com/2013/09/15/here-comes-mcbride-is-he-a-key-to-hawaii-five-0s-future/comment-page-1/#comment-73399

Added: Saturday 28 September 2013 12:24:34 MST


Submitted by: Linda
From: NY

It means that H50 did better than the show that CBS premiered in that same slot one year ago, Made in Jersey, that got a 1.2 demo .
But when you consider CBS canceled Made in Jersey after just a few episodes,I am not sure this is such a big achievement for the expensive H50.
And they didnt mention that when Made in Jersey premiered, NBC Grimm was on. Yesterday h50 was the only Original drama in that slot because Grimm has not premiered yet, so easier competition
And of course the old skewing Blue Bloods doing better than H50, should not bee considered a god sign either,

Added: Saturday 28 September 2013 10:46:59 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

HUH? Someone tweeted this to Lenkov, who then reposted it. Can someone interpret all this?

L e e @FangirLEEng

@PLenkov congrats!!! MT @TVMoJoe: H50 wins 9 p.m in viewers (9.4M) and is solid 2nd in A18-49. Demo score up more than 30% from last fall

Added: Saturday 28 September 2013 10:10:29 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The ratings are in:

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2013/09/28/tv-ratings-friday-hawaii-f ive-0-premiere-down-shark-tank-rises-masterchef-junior-has-solid-frida y-start/205330/

"The season (and time period) premiere of Hawaii Five-0 earned a 1.5, down three tenths from last year's 1.8 premiere adults 18-49 rating. Your predictions were too optimistic. The season premiere of Blue Bloods earned a 1.7, up from last year's 1.5 premiere rating among adults 18-49."

The above reference to "optimistic" refers to a poll on the same site:

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2013/09/27/how-will-the-friday-hawaii -five-0-premiere-fare-tonight-poll/205280/

Guess the Adults 18-49 Rating for the Season Premiere of 'Hawaii Five-0'

1.6-1.7 29.56%
1.8-1.9 22.64%
<1.5 22.19%
2.0-2.1 14.89%
>2.2 10.72%

Added: Saturday 28 September 2013 10:04:37 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Ha ha, Barbara made the news!! Too bad I wasn't there, I could have given Lenkov my best wishes for the fourth season. :!nerd:

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/20130927_Thousands_turn_out_for_Five0_premiere.html

Some of the fans staked out spots on the sand Wednesday night, but Barbara Rathmann, 62, of Chicago got there at about 5 a.m. Thursday — good enough to snag a front row to the action. There were already 100 other people there, she said.

Rathmann said she learned she had to get to the site early to get a good spot when she attended the Season 2 Sunset on the Beach premiere two years ago. One of the reasons she came back was because of all the friends she made at the event.

"What's nice is we get to see the stars, but it's really nice to see them enjoying the fans," she said.

"Five-0" executive producer Peter Lenkov arrived around 11 a.m. to hand out Li­liha Bakery Coco­puffs to the devoted.

"He tweeted he would give people who were here early a treat, and he passed them out personally," Rathmann said. "He made us feel appreciated."

Added: Saturday 28 September 2013 09:26:17 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

[honu59 is replying to my review which was on the main review page (click on season >4< above), I actually forgot to post it here ... it is now below.]

I understood why McBride was going to the door in his socks and underpants. Typically you would see a hostage negotiator do this when the hostages or their captives needed some food or medical attention, and usually after the negotiations had gone on for a very long time, like several days The cops would send in some guy dressed minimally so the villains wouldn't freak out that the guy was armed or whatever. But in last night's show, we are talking about an hour or less! It's pretty obvious that McBride really was not some Chinese food delivery guy. He was a cop, minimally dressed, and it's pretty obvious that he is coming to the door to scope out what is happening inside, though from the camera angle, I don't know how he could have seen as much as he reported back to his team a few minutes later. Since the hostage takers just told him to get lost instead of shooting him dead on the spot, this tells me that they are PRETTY STOOPID.

There are some other things that are starting to annoy me about this episode, though not enough to get a "thumbs down," since I still thought the stunts at the end were first class. For example, after the hostage taking is resolved, McBride and some others are taking the bad guys to the cop shop in a SWAT team truck. Wouldn't they normally take them in a "paddy wagon"? I thought there was going to be a big deal made about who had the more conventional or unconventional hostage-issue-resolving techniques, McBride or McGarrett, but instead the big deal was McGarrett acting typically unconventional, taking control of the SWAT truck, ordering the cops (including McBride) out and letting the hostages go.

As far as the sound mix making dialog difficult to understand is concerned, this has been a complaint with the show from day one. There are many different ways you can listen to the show: through mono TV speakers, through stereo TV speakers, through a home theater, etc. Whoever is mixing the sound should really try to make the dialog comprehensible for the lowest common denominator, but the people making this show really don't seem to "get it." I didn't think last night's sound mix was so bad. In fact, in the teaser they had remixed some of the lines from the last show of last season which >were< incomprehensible, like where Chin Ho whispers "follow your heart" to Kono and she tells him "aloha, etc." (the title of the episode). There was at least one thing (presumably critical) that the terrorist leader yelled that I couldn't figure out.

The Five-O theme was heard when Chin Ho was carrying the wounded woman out of the building. You can see that here: http://mjq.net/fiveo/music/theme/

Added: Saturday 28 September 2013 09:04:29 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

I lied....I saw the show. Wow! That was bloody and fun! Not great great.

Best opening I've seen with McG mowing down the baddies Matrix-y style.

Next week, WALKER TEXAS RANGER meets 5-0............. :!thinking: oh wait.......

Added: Saturday 28 September 2013 07:37:06 MST


Submitted by: honu59
From: NY

Mr. Mike,

To answer your question:

Why does the Chi McBride character go up to the door and ask the hostage takers if they want to order Chinese food? This made no sense at all.

I think the purpose was for Chi McBride to get a good look inside so he could assess the situation.

But that may have been the only thing that made sense to me in last night’s episode. I spent a good deal of time yelling at the TV. I didn’t notice the use of the theme woven into the background "music”.

At one point, I believe that there was a police radio transmission saying that there were hostages being held in the Iolani Palace. Wrong! They were in the Ali'iolani Hale. I’m glad that they’re not using the palace for this show.

When Steve got the call that Catherine had been kidnapped and they wanted to exchange Catherine for the terrorists that had been captured, all I could think about was "The Young Assassins” and I could hear Jack Lord shouting things like "No deals!” and "You can’t negotiate with terrorists” and "You know what Danno’s life means to me”. So AOL just goes ahead hijacks an HPD vehicle, putting HPD officers in danger and frees the terrorists! You know, I really worry about Dennis Chun’s Duke Lukela. I’m afraid he’s going to get bleeding ulcers and dangerously high blood pressure.

Added: Saturday 28 September 2013 05:33:06 MST


Submitted by: Larry Ghirardi
From: Connecticut

:!devil: I watched the premier of this season last night. If they turn down the music volume, I might be able to hear the actors dialog. It is annoying when the music is louder than the words and drowns them out.

Added: Saturday 28 September 2013 04:42:47 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Despite all the annoying spoiler hype connected with this show for the last several weeks, I thought it was OK. There were plenty of shots of Kono looking sad and of course I am a sucker for these. As well, there were some totally mind-bending stunts near the end of the show. Nestor Serrano, a character actor who played Navi Araz on season 4 of "24" was the slimy villain El Condor. And, as Bill pointed out, they actually used the Five-O theme for the first time in the show!! The ending was cool, because it sounded like it was going to another beers on the beach finale, but it turned out quite differently.

But there were questions:

● Why does the Chi McBride character go up to the door and ask the hostage takers if they want to order Chinese food? This made no sense at all. (Yes, I know he wants to anal-yze what is happening inside by looking through the door, but so what? Are the hostage takers so stupid they don't see through this ruse, if they can figure out if he is a cop?)
● How do the bad guys know EXACTLY how to hack into the Five-0 Supercomputer? It's not like you can pick up one of these at Best Buy.
● Is the Supercomputer in the Five-0 office on the SECOND floor of the building? I don't recall this was ever a question before, I always assumed the offices were on the first floor.

Added: Friday 27 September 2013 21:55:43 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

Well, in my opinion we have the exact same stuff as last year. Idiotic, brainless, non-believaable Hawaii-Five-0, and a really superb Blue Bloods series

I turned off Hawaii Five-O after 15 minutes or so, got some dinner, came back to watch a bit more of Hawaii Five-O, and just turned it off till Blue Bloods.

I think putting Hawaii Five-0 and Blue Bloods next to each other will just kill Hawaii Five-0--there is simply no comparison between these two series. People will see this immediately

Added: Friday 27 September 2013 21:02:45 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Received in e-mail just now:

"I just watched this season's premier of Hawaii Five-O. If you had reduced the volumn of the music, I would have been able to hear the dialog of the actors too."

I don't understand why this person thinks I have something to do with the production of the show!

And yes, if the Five-O theme was heard in the underscore, that would be a first. They better not keep this up, I might have to start liking the show. :D

Added: Friday 27 September 2013 19:42:33 MST


Submitted by: Joekido

Why couldn't Adam just confess that he killed his brother? I'm sure they would listen to him

Added: Friday 27 September 2013 19:08:10 MST


Submitted by: Bill K.
From: Detroit are

The first episode of season 4 worked the Five-O theme into the underscore. Is that a first for the new show?

Added: Friday 27 September 2013 18:58:44 MST


Submitted by: Joekido

From what I heard the crowds at the wakiki sunset premier is going "Wow". Did this happened in the last season?

Added: Friday 27 September 2013 17:17:34 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Here is a review of the third season Blu-Ray released recently. One thing to note: it includes an HD copy of the original "Hookman."

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/topic/326514-hawaii-five-o-the-third-season-blu-ray-review/

There are also box sets available for both the DVDs and Blu-Rays of the first three seasons. Amazon.com sells these for around $100 each.

Added: Friday 27 September 2013 16:56:21 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth

Easy trivia, by the nature of the location, but which original episode is the address below the home of a bad guy character and his wife?

76 Kahoa St, Wainaku, HI

Added: Friday 27 September 2013 16:04:41 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Hi Vrinda,

Yes, I would agree with that, but it is still insulting to hear it. I agree though, that is why he said it.

HK:

Good Luck and Congratulations on your production company. Keep us posted on the latest developments.

Added: Friday 27 September 2013 13:39:30 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

I am stoked for tonite!!!!!!!!!!!

:!thinking: :!thinking:

Wellllllllll...........maybe I'll see the , I assume, new opening titles and then ------ read a book.

Added: Friday 27 September 2013 12:16:11 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Hi, RW,

If the older audience who watches Blue Bloods and watched the original Hawaii Five-were going to watch the new 5-0, they would have. There was nothing stopping them, not even technology.

For Alex to make that comment says that either he is clueless about the Monday timeslot and the ratings the show got then, he was told by CBS's publicity department to say that bit about attracting the audience for Blue Bloods, or he knows all about the failing ratings on Monday night and was whitewashing it - because admitting to failing ratings doesn't make for good publicity.

My money is on the third one.

Added: Friday 27 September 2013 08:18:11 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Mike,

I just watched a four minute interview that Alex did with "Entertainment Tonight" previewing the "surprises" for season four starting tonight. I think if you go to the ET website you can get it, although I watched it through another hosting site.

What amazes me is the spin he puts on the move to Friday Nights. He says that "Monday Night" was tough for them, because of sports and other shows that were competing against them, and he feels that as a lead in to Blue Bloods they will do much better because the older audience of Blue Bloods is the same as the audience for the "old Five-O" and may help attract them to his show. Well then, why didn't you just make the new show like the old show in quality and then you would get that audience anyway. So, now they are spinning that a cushy 10 PM, Monday time slot on the highest rated network of CBS was actually "bad for them"....What world do the people that work on the new Five-O live in. :!wondering:

Added: Friday 27 September 2013 07:56:26 MST


Submitted by: hawaiianknightssaga productions
From: honolulu hi

5-0 waikiki priemere sunset on the beach was awesome... a must see...like I said proof that wo fat is mc garratts half brother is soon to be revealed by dna testing. My story written 10 years ago slightly modified. I am now ceo of hawaiian knights productions... we are slated to make 2 movies in the vein of 5-0 and magnum pi with Christopher atkins of blue lagoon as our tentative producer. Five-0 Mike l :)

Added: Friday 27 September 2013 05:13:31 MST


Submitted by: Joekido

who's ready to see season 4 tomorrow? I'am, only to see how bad it could get

Added: Thursday 26 September 2013 17:09:25 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

But PERSON OF INTEREST did fine beating CHICAGO FIRE. AGENTS OF SHIELD did good but the pilot was meh.

Added: Thursday 26 September 2013 12:27:22 MST


Submitted by: Joekido

Today's CBS lineup stuffered poorly today. Even Person of interest reached low.

Added: Wednesday 25 September 2013 16:32:57 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Actually I just listened again and I did pick up Don Ray's piece of music in "The Young Assassins" - this is during the scene where Vera is being chased by the cop and before crashing and blowing up. I remember this piece of music from the Vashon trilogy from season 5. In any case this is still stock music - from Ray. But the rest of the score by Stevens is also all stock - all from season 1 it seems. It jumped out at me because I don't recall much of this type of music being used this far in the show's run - season 7. Definitely sounded like the very early Five-0 music.

Added: Wednesday 25 September 2013 14:14:12 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Question for our astute Five-0 music score aficionados. Mr. Mike in particular I guess.

From what I gather Morton Stevens composed the scores for all the season openers except season 3 ("And a Time to Die" by Richard Shores) and season 11 ("The Sleeper" by John Cacavas).

I noticed something interesting about Mort's score for "The Young Assassins". Unlike all the other season opening scores this one doesn't seem to be an original score. All the other season premieres feature the composers giving us something fresh and new that we hadn't heard before. But here Mort seems to just reuse all of the music that he created way back in season 1. I listened carefully and I couldn't hear a single snippet of music that seemed new. Am I correct? Is the season 7 opener the only such case? Interesting because the very next episode "A Hawaiian Nightmare" features new composition by Mort. Especially during the opening scenes where James Olson and his cohorts are planting the charges at the Volcanoes National Park - very good music there and definitely not something we previously heard during the first 6 seasons. I wonder if perhaps this episode was supposed to be the season opener instead of "Assassins".

Added: Tuesday 24 September 2013 20:48:22 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

read tv by the numbers site , THE BLACKLIST beats HOSTAGES last nite.

tonite: NCIS VS S.H.I.E.L.D. and 10pm PERSON OF INTEREST

can't wait

Added: Tuesday 24 September 2013 08:47:45 MST


Submitted by: Maxine
From: Brooklyn

Linda Dano of the soap opera ONE LIFE TO LIVE pronounced her name Danno, as in "Book 'em..."

I'm not sure about Royal Dano - I think maybe he pronounced his name Day-no.

Added: Monday 23 September 2013 21:05:47 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

What do you mean "Dano"? Isn't the correct spelling "Danno"? I've always thought "Dano" was pronounced "Day-no." I have seen these Five-O souvenir busts or mugs where the expression "Buk 'em Dano" was inscribed. I don't know why they spelled it this way ... maybe they figured they would get sued by CBS or something for infringing on a trademark, which I don't think this is...

Added: Monday 23 September 2013 16:48:21 MST


Submitted by: Koni
From: America

How many times did McG have a double? I believe it is 3?

And did anyone else call Dano, Dano? I had thought only McG did but then I just noticed on an ep from season 9 that a cop calls him Dano once.

Added: Monday 23 September 2013 16:17:15 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

There's nothing more amusing than teasing people with spoilers to a show no one cares about or wants to see. Here look at it!! Please!! Look at it!! Dammit!! Look at it already!! :D

That's like giving folks a sneak peek to the germs that are crawling around your work area. No one wants to look at it.

Added: Monday 23 September 2013 14:15:47 MST


Submitted by: Joekido

I guess rabid fanboys/girls can't wait for Friday.

Added: Monday 23 September 2013 11:53:18 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

I don't know what's worse: revealing more sneak peeks or the article's writing. The author needs a proofreader and needs to go to journalism school.

Added: Monday 23 September 2013 07:25:04 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Oh, puhleeze, puhleeze, give away more of the premiere's plot, what is the point of watching the stupid thing!!

http://www.examiner.com/article/hawaii-five-0-4-01-sneak-peeks-chin-ho-kelly-to-the-rescue?cid=rss

Does anyone think that the show will deviate from these spoilers in some way? Or maybe they are just jerking us around and the show will be completely different?

Added: Sunday 22 September 2013 17:37:23 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/ae/tv-radio/prime-time-pittsburghers-three-natives-in-key-behind-the-scenes-roles-on-tv-shows-704400/

This part of the story, where it's talking about this guy who is an editor on Five-Zero, struck me as funny:

"It's said on a TV show or film, it's written three times: by the writer, by the director and a final time when it's edited. My job is the last sort of writer; I have control over all the variables."

Once a show is edited, then it goes to studio and network executives, who offer their notes, input and suggestions for further refinement.

Really!!!

Added: Sunday 22 September 2013 17:07:43 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

LOL, sounds like Five-Zero!! :!devil:

Added: Saturday 21 September 2013 18:56:00 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Ok, thanks for the feedback. Yes, some of this does make sense when you think about it and try to rationalize it this way. Just that it's never made clear enough in the episode. It's all up to us to interpret these plot points.

Added: Saturday 21 September 2013 18:40:33 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

It could also be that the Russians were spying on these guys wherever they were prior to Hawaii and started their plot even then (before coming to Hawaii themselves). It may never have been mentioned, but it's not as though they made it look like the imposter was recruited, trained, and sent into the field overnight, or over the course of one week. That is too short a time, even in fiction. It's too high a suspension of disbelief.

It works in the spy ring's favor to make the switch when Harner and Rizzo had only been in Hawaii for one week. They were still new to the area, and no one had gotten to know Harner well enough to get suspicious. If he had been in Hawaii for months or years, it would be even more preposterous to kidnap him and put a double in his place.

It's better to do such a thing when the kidnapping victim has not been in a place long enough to establish a presence or any friendships. People who know them would know too much about them to the point where an imposter could easily arouse suspicion if they let slip any false information or behaved contradictory to how that person was known to act.

Added: Saturday 21 September 2013 16:47:12 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

"Unless it was mentioned that both came to Oahu just recently (like a week ago or so) - then yeah it doesn't make much sense."

When McGarrett is talking to the navy big shots at the beginning of the film, he is told that Rizzo and Harner have been in Hawaii "just over a week."

Added: Saturday 21 September 2013 15:46:33 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

"But this still feels like a clunky idea. Why bother? Why not just abduct Harner once he is finished with the whole training program and has accumulated all the knowledge that is required? What's with this piecemeal approach? Then you don't need the double. Oh well.”

That may be because of the information they were sending the imposter over to find. The work that the military does in some cases is time sensitive, so it’s not stuff that sits around in a filing cabinet or a safe waiting to be implemented. It might be that the project on which the real Harner was working involved information that they could not wait to get their hands on. Hence, they kidnapped the real Harner to get the information that was most recent and fresh in his mind and had the imposter take his place for the remainder out of convenience for them.

If they waited to kidnap Harner until later, that would mean torturing him more to get more information out of him, when it’s easier to have someone already on their side in Harner’s place to get it for them.

Kidnapping Harner would set the stage for the imposter to go in, obviously, but killing Harner so soon would be foolish, since they could try to get whatever
information they could from him in the meantime.

Remember as well that the imposter has to be able to do Harner's job and make it look like he's as knowledgeable about the subject matter. Keeping Harner alive would give the Russians the chance to also get personal information from him which their imposter could use to put up his front.

That whole bit with Adams injecting Michael might be to show that the bad guys don’t trust each other, which has been a common practice in TV, film, and books.

Added: Saturday 21 September 2013 13:20:31 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"For example, how would the Russians know ahead of time (like a LONG time ahead of time, because of the elaborate preparing of the double) that Harner and his pal Rizzo (Joe Moore) would be selected to be part of the top-secret training classes on Oahu?"

This bothered me less because I just assumed that the whole "preparing the double" plan was put in motion after Harner and Rizzo came to Oahu. Unless it was mentioned that both came to Oahu just recently (like a week ago or so) - then yeah it doesn't make much sense. I doubt you could prepare a double that quickly. But if it was a month or so then I could buy it.

"How would they know that after Trikonis was treated for the bends, he would wind up -- on some doctor's recommendation -- in the same hospital as Harner"

Yeah, I thought the same thing. Unless that's the standard procedure - all who get the bends are automatically sent for checkups to Tripler. Speaking of Tripler, this is an Army hospital. I'm not quite certain that it treats civilians. But maybe they make certain exceptions. Interesting coincidence is that our IT company actually does business with Tripler - they are at the moment our biggest client. It was our work with Tripler that gave me the opportunity to vacation in Hawaii. ;) So any episode that features Tripler gives me a bit of that giddy feeling. You can see that large pink campus on the hill all the way from Honolulu International Airport. http://bit.ly/BqKR9

You might actually be onto something when you say that they kept Harner alive so that they could extract the info from him that he had accumulated up to his abduction. And that Michael would provide the remaining info that he accumulated after Harner's abduction. But this still feels like a clunky idea. Why bother? Why not just abduct Harner once he is finished with the whole training program and has accumulated all the knowledge that is required? What's with this piecemeal approach? Then you don't need the double. Oh well.

I guess they did extract the info from Michael when those 2 goons grab him when he walks into the shack and Maud Adams prepares the needle. But one wonders why the needle is required. Isn't he one of them? Is he not willingly going to disclose all the info? Or does Maud not trust him entirely and wants to be sure he tells them everything truthfully? I guess this explains why they killed him on the beach. They got all the info out of him by that point.

Added: Saturday 21 September 2013 11:19:33 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Screen Archives Entertainment is reporting that they have less than 60 copies of the Hawaii Five-0 soundtrack reissued by Film Score Monthly in stock. These people are the main distributors for Film Score Monthly, though there may be other soundtrack dealers who still have this CD available.

See http://www.screenarchives.com/title_detail.cfm/ID/14350/HAWAII-FIVE-0/

Added: Friday 20 September 2013 13:50:29 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I watched some of Deep Cover again quickly. A lot about this indeed does not make sense. For example, how would the Russians know ahead of time (like a LONG time ahead of time, because of the elaborate preparing of the double) that Harner and his pal Rizzo (Joe Moore) would be selected to be part of the top-secret training classes on Oahu? How would they know that after Trikonis was treated for the bends, he would wind up -- on some doctor's recommendation -- in the same hospital as Harner, who "just happened" to be undergoing a physical checkup? (But this physical checkup seems to consist of Harner lying in bed?) Presumably the bad guys wanted to extract information from Harner who had been training for a week, and combine this with info that Trikonis obtained after they made the switch. The only reason that Harner was returned to the scene was because of the slip-up with Trikonis' dental work which led to the death of dentist Bob Basso. Did the bad guys ever get info from Trikonis that he obtained while he was pretending to be Harner? I guess the Russkies figured that they would whisk Harner out of the country when it was all over because he had info learned during his first week during the training which Trikonis didn't have access to (or did they get this info out of Harner while he was in the bogus hospital room?). It is kind of dumb.

Added: Friday 20 September 2013 12:49:57 MST


Submitted by: Koni
From: America

I did not get Deep Cover either. Perhaps the director was blinded by Adams beauty?

Added: Friday 20 September 2013 11:28:15 MST


Submitted by: Kel Meist
From: Greater Vancouver British Columbia

Please incorporate somewhere, the original Ventures Hawaii 5 O theme song.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rcvo4U33_L4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rcvo4U33_L4

Doc it up a bit, and it would be great! After all, the theme song is one of the greatest on TV, and it grabs you attention.....

Added: Thursday 19 September 2013 01:20:53 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I watched "Deep Cover" from season 10 the other night and I'm a bit confused by the plot. I checked Mr. Mike's anal-ysis and it looks like he doesn't have an explanation either. So I'm wondering if anyone else can shed some light.

What was the point of having that double of Cmdr. Harner (Michael)? It seemed like he was planted in there so that he could observe and learn the details of that top-secret submarine functionality. Then he would report his findings to his spy ring team members headed by Maria (Maud Adams). But then towards the end we find out that they are keeping Harner alive and can "program" him to do whatever they want. If that's the case then why not get all the classified info from him from the get-go? Why bother with the double? At the end they kill the double (Michael) and attempt to place Harner on the sub to take him to their Commie country. So why didn't they just place him on the sub right away at the beginning? Why bother with the double? And if they planted the double just to cover Harner's disappearance (just in case the doctor/nurse should walk in after Harner gets wheeled out) then why is the double Michael spending what seems like a number of days at Tripler and at the training facility doing all those exercises?

The whole plan at the end of the day seems to be grabbing the real Harner and getting the info out of him once they get him out of the country on the sub. So spending all those days with Michael subbing for Harner makes no sense. I don't think the bad guys were waiting for their sub to arrive - it's mentioned at the beginning of the episode that the foreign sub has been spotted off Makapuu Point. So the sub was there all along. It's an intriguing enough story but somehow the writers shot themselves in the foot by "resurrecting" Harner towards the end and turning him into a Manchurian Candidate. I honestly thought they had killed Harner. It only stands to reason - why else insert Michael into the training program? Obviously so that he could learn whatever Harner was learning and then pass it on to the spy ring. Perfect story! But somehow the writers screwed it up and somebody didn't go over the script a second time to notice that at the end the plot doesn't make sense.

I still like the episode and it's one of my favorites from the 10th season. It's hard to go wrong with a Commie spy ring, top-secret navy action, 2-time Bond girl Maud Adams playing a femme fatale, a double agent impostor, etc. I even enjoyed the score by Oscar-winning composer Ernest Gold. But it's a shame that this intriguing story unravels at the end. Still, this is vastly superior to the Commie tennis episode that preceded it - "Deadly Doubles". With Kurt Russell and Tim Matheson.

Added: Wednesday 18 September 2013 13:51:50 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I might have to check out BREAKING BAD at some point. Just that the idea of a show which centers around cooking meth is not particularly appealing to me. :D

At least I can get behind the idea of an agent racing against the clock to save the country from terrorist attacks. Jack Bauer, of course.

Added: Tuesday 17 September 2013 09:15:00 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

It is not fair to compare Five-Zero to Breaking Bad, because many people consider Breaking Bad to be "one of the greatest TV shows of all time," something which Five-Zero is not, and never will be.

See this article, which I just ran across:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/allenstjohn/2013/09/16/why-breaking-bad-is-the-best-show-ever-and-why-that-matters/2/

There have been things about BB recently which annoyed me, though (SPOILERS).

For example, introducing new characters late in the show like Lydia Rodarte-Quayle, the woman who works for the chemical company, Todd Alquist, the former pest control employee and Todd's uncle, but as of last night, I am less concerned about the last two.

The scene where Walt, Todd and Jesse hijacked the meth chemical from the train was also very far-fetched. This kind of diversion is like the writers and other creators of the show showing off. I guess on the new Five-0 the equivalent would have been McGarrett's hanging out in the elevator shaft with his mother dressed up like ninjas.

Last week's show seemed to have an attack of the script stupids at the beginning with Lydia and Todd joining up to cook meth. But it improved quickly, with a holy-freakin'-crap ending. Last night's show was holy-freakin'-crap from beginning to end...

Added: Monday 16 September 2013 19:02:09 MST


Submitted by: Joekido

I was watching Breaking Bad and come to wonder why the writers would not take these ideas and put it in Hawaii Five-0? Breaking Bad was well-written and complex while the new Hawaii Five-0 is done by someone who is trying way to hard to make this show complex, that's because Vince actually knows what he is doing; Lenkov does not.

Added: Monday 16 September 2013 18:06:36 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Are these people kidding?

http://www.examiner.com/article/hawaii-five-0-4-02-photos-big-surprises-planned-for-the-premiere

Where are the "big surprises"?

There is virtually NOTHING surprising about the first show, and others too.

For example (SPOILERS COMING), we know Wo Fat will escape, some nasty guy connected with the terrorist group of last season's last show played by Henry Ian Cusick of "Lost" fame will take hostages including Catherine, who is going to work for the security company run by her old boyfriend also seen in E03S24, Chi McBride will play an "old school" cop loosely based on the character Scott Brady played in "The Hostage" who butts heads with McGarrett and uses unconventional techniques, Danno will have girl friend problems, blah blah blah!

Why even bother watching the show when you know so much?

Did they ever used to give away so much of upcoming shows with the old Five-O, other than what you would read about in TV Guide?

Added: Monday 16 September 2013 14:10:42 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

No, Ringfire. Not even Clem Kadiddlehopper.

Added: Thursday 12 September 2013 15:53:23 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"Clem the TV repairman was Morgan Upton's acting debut. Then on to greatness... "

:D Correct, Rick! He then appeared as a bartender in the Dirty Harry flick SUDDEN IMPACT. The man is a living legend I tell ya! Clem McGarrett indeed! :D

Hey, H50 1.0 FOREVER. I think you must have missed our tongue-in-cheek banter - between me and Rick. You are correct. No one could replace Jack Lord! Except Morgan Upton of course. ;)

Added: Thursday 12 September 2013 09:37:10 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

No doubt about it ringfire. Clem the TV repairman was Morgan Upton's acting debut. Then on to greatness... The Streets of San Francisco, Columbo, ...yes, he would have been seamless as a replacement for JL. Could have come in as his cousin Clem McGarrett ...phffftt, who needs that hack Monte Markham?

Added: Wednesday 11 September 2013 19:42:45 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Ringfire! Shame on you! The very idea that anyone could take over from JL is absurd! Don't believe me? Look at the 1997 remake and the ongoing remake. No one can replace JL, and no one can remake 1.0. Why? Because JL and Len Freeman had been there and done that, and there was no more that could be done.

Even JL couldn't successfully bring back 1.0 when Season 12 was ordered at the last minute. For all intents and purposes, 1.0 ended at the end of Season 11. The story had been told, and although everyone concerned did their best in Season 12, it was not the same. The chemistry wasn't there, and the beloved Danno, Chin Ho, and Kono weren't there. The chemistry made Five-0 work, and you can't replace chemistry. Five-0 absorbed the loss of Kono, and it tried to absorb the loss of Chin Ho, but when Danno departed, that was the end. There was no one left to play off McGarrett. The chemistry was gone. :!cry:

Added: Wednesday 11 September 2013 19:08:06 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

That is so true, H50 1.0. It’s one thing if the subject of such rumor-mongering is alive and can answer back or can prove those stories wrong through those actions, but when that person is dead and cannot defend themselves, and people persist in making up or repeating such lies, it is deplorable and downright disgusting. Any fool can make up a story, and it takes an even bigger fool to believe it. If people understood the basic working of a TV show, the different jobs crewmembers have and their responsibilities, and how contracts are negotiated and what they outline, a lot of these stories about Jack would have been quashed years ago. You don’t need to have insider information (although that does help) to know the truth. Many people misread tabloid accounts and made false accusations based on that, showing their lack of reading comprehension.

Jack never said there were no co-stars in 5-O. An actor playing him in a skit said that everyone was "a featured player,” which was copying some remark made by a CBS press agent to a reporter. No one – not the reporter or the press agent – said those words came from Jack. As it is, "featured” means to play an important part in a production, to be highlighted or brought forward, so to be labeled a featured player is not a bad thing. If these people want to make up fairy tales, at least consult a dictionary and know how the meaning of a word can affect your statements.

Added: Wednesday 11 September 2013 18:15:45 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Clem Brown does it for you, eh Rick? I can sure see why. He could have taken over from Jack Lord for sure as the leader of Five-0! Personally I prefer Charlie the ex-PI/convict from that same episode. To me he's the very essence of FIVE-0. More so than even good old Clem. ;)

I guess next we will see articles that Robert Pattinson is to reprise the role of Guard #2 that he played on the original show. You know, back when he was NEGATIVE 10 years old.

Added: Wednesday 11 September 2013 16:21:51 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

lol... no ring, when I think of "a character made famous on the original 1970s incantation of the series" it's Morgan Upton as TV repairman Clem Brown in DIDN'T WE MEET AT A MURDER? ...obviously.

Added: Wednesday 11 September 2013 14:27:09 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"You gotta be kidding me ...a character made famous?"

Of course, Rick. When someone mentions Hawaii Five-0 the very first thing that pops into my head is "SWAT Capt. Grover"! ;) Don't tell me it's different with you.

I have it from a reliable source that Lenkov is planning to cast Robert Pattinson as Guard #2 in a future episode. Guard #2, of course, was a character made famous on the original Five-0 in "Elegy in a Rainforest". Either he was the one who got knocked out by Lucien or shot in the face. Can't recall. But definitely a memorable character. :)

Added: Wednesday 11 September 2013 13:20:20 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

"..a character made famous on the original 1970s incantation of the series: SWAT Captain Lou Grover"

You gotta be kidding me ...a character made famous?

Added: Wednesday 11 September 2013 10:11:40 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

As has been said many times, one needs to check and double check all sources of information before believing what they read. Although this is true of all media, even the evening news on TV, it seems to be especially true of what we read online. Sometimes, the errors are careless mistakes, but sometimes, the online authors place errors in an effort to keep people from copying their work (Why post it in the first place, I always wonder). So, take the time and make the effort to confirm all statements before passing them along. Nothing could go farther to stop the rumors we hear than that. Frankly, I feel sorry for people who have passed on about whom so many rumors and falsehoods continue to be printed. Everyone deserves better than that.

Added: Wednesday 11 September 2013 09:08:17 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I'm sure the co-creators of the new Five-0 (which include Orci) have the same sentiments about people bitchin' about their "reboot" of that franchise:

http://www.salon.com/2013/09/07/star_trek_writer_abuses_fans_tells_them_to_fck_off_partner/

Added: Wednesday 11 September 2013 07:58:29 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

http://bit.ly/15RSUOx

Nonsense, Chi McBride didn't appear on the original show, he was 18-19 at the time, and, according to IMDB, didn't start acting till he was 30!

DUH!!

Too much trouble for these people to check their facts before they rebroadcast the Five-O "mythology" coming from Lenkov, I guess.

UPDATE:

It gets better. they are trying to put the blame for this goof on the TV Fanatic site, specificially an article which says "Chi McBride, who will resurrect a character made famous on the original 1970s incantation of the series: SWAT Captain Lou Grover."

Except it doesn't say that McBride >played< this character. The character was played in the seventh season episode ("The Hostage") by Scott Brady (as I have pointed out here previously). As well, the character's name in the end titles is Grover, but when he is first seen, addressing the building's occupants with a megaphone, he identifies himself as "Glover."

DOUBLE DUH!!

Added: Wednesday 11 September 2013 07:45:46 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The prices of the DVDs at Amazon has dropped compared to what they were on July 30th. The difference in many cases is only a few cents, and you can also get them for less from Marketplace Sellers. I don't understand why seasons 9 and 10 are still so expensive relative to the others.

Season 1 - $13.51
Season 2 - $13.22
Season 3 - $13.06
Season 4 - $12.53
Season 5 - $13.44
Season 6 - $13.03
Season 7 - $13.19
Season 8 - $13.23
Season 9 - $22.07
Season 10 - $18.96
Season 11 - $22.38
Season 12 - $21.99

Added: Tuesday 10 September 2013 15:11:06 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Harry Endo, who portrayed forensic scientist Che Fong, said this: "Jack played the part of a tough cop, and sometimes he came off that way, but he accepted responsibility for everything. Hollywood people said there had never been a show with such good production values, and much of that is due to Jack." Source: Setchfield, Nick. "Crimewave" in Cult TV, April 1998.

Added: Tuesday 10 September 2013 12:53:02 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Yes, Jack was a very dedicated and professional man. He would not put in a lackluster job unless some outside force - his health or interference from other people which he could not get around - impaired his ability to give a top-notch performance.

Since Season 12 was ordered at the last minute, it probably took Jack by surprise when he was focusing on other projects, hence his not being the proper mode when Season 12 began. I wish Jack had explained his feelings on returning to do Season 12, and the decision-making behind CBS ordering it, but no such interview or comments have turned up so far. There might be something out there, though.

Added: Tuesday 10 September 2013 11:27:33 MST


Submitted by: Koni
From: America

Thanks 1.0 for that input. You are very persuasive. For all the negatives I talked about in my review of Lord in S 12 all I can say is that I watched 4 episodes in a row and was STILL drawn to HIM and his character more then ever so that says something about him as an actor. Still I stick by what I said about him seeming disinterested but perhaps he was just trying to portray him in a new way.

Anyway I love the smile he gives in the finale at the end, it was a gracious gesture from him to us, to the character and to the show, he went out with real style and warmth with that smile.

Added: Tuesday 10 September 2013 09:06:55 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Jack did not give up on Season 12. He had asked CBS to let Season 11 be the last. He thought the series was over after Season 11. As any actor who puts himself into a role with the intensity that Jack did, he had to shake off McGarrett when filming ended. Thus, Jack had trouble recapturing Steve McGarrett when Season 12 began filming. It took him about four episodes to get back into the part.

Nor did he turn his back on his Five-0 fans. Pictures exist of his returning waves from fans post-Five-0. He attended a "Magnum, PI" cast party and is seen in a photograph having a thoroughly good time with Larry Manetti (Rick) and Roger Mosley (TC). If someone called, "Hey, McGarrett!", he went along with it. That's who he was.

Jack never gave up on anything in his life. It wasn't in his belief system. Just as he put everything he had into his acting, he put everything he had into his art and humanitarian efforts. His father taught him to do his best at everything he took on -- and he did!

Added: Monday 09 September 2013 18:28:57 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Hi, Koni,

I don't know the whole story about the decision to make Season 12, but I know it was ordered at the last minute. As of January 11, 1979, when AP ran an article about the end of the 11th season, they said it was unclear if there would be a Season 12. Normally, if a network gave the green light for the next season, the cast and crew would know before production of the current season is over.

Jack was already given permission to do M Station: Hawaii in 1978, when filming for Season 11 was going on (Bob Thomas, "Jack Lord in New York For 'Emmy' Broadcast," AP, September 16, 1978). That makes it sound like everyone thought Season 11 would be the end.

Added: Monday 09 September 2013 13:55:53 MST


Submitted by: Koni
From: America

S 12. Well it is obvious that JL gave up on the show at this point. He looks lost, bored out of touch, his performances are phoned in. Can't blame him really, 12 years is a long time in TV land to be doing the same character. I wonder if it was money alone that got him to do S 12 or was it the promise of another show for him after 5-0?

I gave up on a couple of episodes about 1/4 of the way into them. A couple others are ok.

I can always tell when the soundtrack is Morton or Ray, makes the others look like real amatures.

Luckily there is some nice scenery and some new locations I do not recall seeing before.

I watched the final which I really liked. Glad they put some effort into it, the twist at the end was cool and JL gave a good performance.

Added: Monday 09 September 2013 12:09:29 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Wo ho! Are you ever wound up this weekend! Keep your eye out for a drawing called "Justice in Paradise" by Rick Rietveld. He shows a Tiki god surfing through McGarrett's wave. If you allowed pictures, I'd post it for you.

Added: Sunday 08 September 2013 09:57:08 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Inspiration for The Wave:

http://classictvhistory.wordpress.com/2013/09/08/waves/

Added: Sunday 08 September 2013 06:58:43 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

To be precise, Len Freeman died in January 1974, just a few weeks after the end of filming for Season 6 and about halfway through the airings.

For sure, the "flavor" of Five-0 changed after his death. That is to be expected; after all, each producer has his own take on a project. There was a bit of a letdown in the year after his death. No doubt, the tragedy affected everyone on the show.

Another factor entered into Five-0's changing through the years. By the time Five-0 emerged from mourning, the times were changing. Vietnam was over. Watergate was over. Disco was coming in. Styles were becoming less hippie influenced and more sophisticated, on the one hand, and more tailored, on the other hand, reflecting the influence of the women's movement. It was a new age, and Five-0 had to keep up.

And, of course, as we've said so many times before, the show could not remain static. No one could keep watching McGarrett scale the palace steps forever. As organized crime and white-collar crime became more rampant in general, they became more rampant on Five-0; for example, in "Double Exposure," two mobs battled each other for control of the islands. Hawaiian issues came to the forefront in several episodes, including "Descent of the Torches" and "A Lion in the Streets." The list goes on and on.

But, yes, there was a definite change after Len Freeman's death. It was unavoidable.

Added: Friday 06 September 2013 17:39:24 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Thanks, I stand corrected.

Added: Friday 06 September 2013 11:54:18 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

That's right. You will notice that each episode from season 1 through the end of season 6 ends with the freeze-frame credit of "Executive Producer Leonard Freeman". Season 7 and 8 episodes end with just a freeze-frame with no credit. Then season 9 ends with the freeze-frame credit of "Executive Producer Philip Leacock". So it looks like things were up in the air during seasons 7 and 8. Perhaps they didn't have a steady executive producer during those two seasons. Perhaps Jack Lord was the executive producer in some unofficial capacity.

Added: Friday 06 September 2013 11:31:17 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Hi, Rainbow,

Mike is correct, the first six years were when Leonard Freeman was the executive producer. He ran things in LA, and Jack and the other onsite producers - Robert Stambler, William Finnegan, Douglas Green, etc. - ran things in Hawaii. According to Bernard Oseransky, the production manager, Freeman visited the set 4 times a year.

Added: Friday 06 September 2013 09:52:06 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Leonard Freeman died January 20, 1974, just over 3/4 of the way through the sixth season and two days before the broadcast of "Death with Father."

Added: Friday 06 September 2013 07:20:28 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

Carol Burnett?

hmm. soon she gets the Mark Twain Prize for Comedy in DC. It will be shown on PBS Nov 24.

Strange casting there

Perhaps Dick Van Dyke will show up ?

Added: Friday 06 September 2013 07:01:00 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Small correction Ringfire, ....the first four years were Leonard Freeman years, and then he died after season four, where Jack took over an expanded role for season five in Leonard's absence. I believe that Vrinda will back me up on that. If I'm wrong, please let me know.

Added: Friday 06 September 2013 06:57:40 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Yes, Koni. Season 9 is quite impressive. From memory I always recalled season 9 being more exciting than seasons 7 and 8. But then I recently saw some folks commenting that perhaps the decline of the show began with season 9 so I was eager to rewatch the season (it had been a while since I last saw it - more than 10 years ago I guess) to see if my memory was perhaps a bit faulty.

So I dived into season 9. "Nine Dragons" was a very good season opener (actually better than I remembered). And then I also really enjoyed "Assault on the Palace". Then there were a few episodes which were merely okay (like "Oldest Profession -- Latest Price" and "Man on Fire";) but then it picked up again with "Tour De Force -- Killer Aboard" and continued with 2 other solid episodes "The Last of the Great Paperhangers" and "Heads, You're Dead". Then there was the turkey "Let Death Do Us Part". But then it rebounded with the solid "Double Exposure".

But where the season really took off for me was "Target - A Cop". Sure, it was a rehash of "Hookman" in many ways but still a great episode. I have fond memories of this one from my childhood. And then we got absolute classics like "The Bells Toll at Noon" and "A Capitol Crime". Plus "Man in a Steel Frame" and "Elegy in a Rainforest" and "Blood Money is Hard to Wash". Even "To Die in Paradise" was nowhere near the turkey that many made it out to be - with some fantastic scenery which may have actually been Kauai. Although I did notice Rabbit Island in one shot so that part was definitely Oahu.

So far I'm loving it! Perhaps the season did start out with season 7 and 8 quality (not that it's bad quality or anything) but I think the second half definitely lifted season 9 above those seasons. Anyway, I have 4 more episodes to go.

Season 9 is great! Though I would still place seasons 1-6 above season 9. Those first six seasons (the Leonard Freeman years) were just "classic Five-0"! The show at its absolute peak!

Added: Thursday 05 September 2013 18:43:55 MST


Submitted by: Koni
From: America

Season 9 is really fantastic. It is now my 2nd favorite season.

The photography is just so impressive. I wonder if it is because they remastered them differently?

Added: Thursday 05 September 2013 15:30:10 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

"...across the globe." - - Have they decided the world is flat, after all?

The 2.0 people are participating? Quel nightmare!

Added: Thursday 05 September 2013 12:58:42 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

http://urbanhonolulu.hawaiinewsnow.com/news/arts-culture/213723-hawai-i-international-film-festival-adds-screenwriting-new-media-programs-years-festival

HONOLULU – Hawai‘i International Film Festival (HIFF), Hawai‘i’s premier international film event – together with the Creative Industries Division (CID) of the Hawai‘i state Department of Business, Economic Development and Tourism (DBEDT) – is launching new tracks in Screenwriting and Broadband Content as part of Creative Lab, which will hold Accelerator Programs in each of these two areas during HIFF in October in order to accelerate the growth of Hawai‘i’s creative content industry

Through hands-on mentorship, panels and workshops taught by mentors from across the globe in writing, acting, music, new media and finance, Creative Lab provides entrepreneurs with the business and creative skill sets necessary to profit from their intellectual property and expand their distribution channels.

[...]

An impressive collection of organizations and strategic partners is collaborating to expand the scope of the Creative Lab program, which was launched at HIFF in 2012. Leading industry organizations participating in the program include the Writers Guild of America, West (WGAW); Screen Actors Guild-American Federation of Television and Radio Artists (SAG-AFTRA); SAG Indie; Hawaii Academy of Recording Artists (HARA); the State of Hawai‘i Film Office and Hawai‘i’s county Film Offices.

This year’s Creative Lab launches a Writers Accelerator in partnership with the Diversity Program of the Writers Guild of America West. "The WGAW Diversity Department is pleased to support the Creative Lab program in collaboration with the Hawai‘i International Film Festival and the state’s Creative Industries Division,” said Kimberly Meyers, WGAW’s Director of Diversity. "This annual program is an important outreach effort to accelerate the careers of aspiring television, film and new media writers. Our WGAW members are looking forward to serving as mentors to program participants, helping develop future writers and WGAW members at the outset of their careers.”

Additional collaborators include the executive producer and writers from CBS Productions – "Hawaii Five-0” [!!!!!]; National Academy of Recording Artists and Sciences (NARAS); American Society of Composers; American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers (ASCAP); and the Hawai‘i Association of Media Artists (HAMA).

Added: Thursday 05 September 2013 11:17:43 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

>>>Does anyone know when Cocoon is broken up into two parts, where does part one end?<<<

If I understand your question part one ends when McG is working under cover onboard ARCTURUS. He is searching the ship during lunch break and he opens a hatch, sticks his head in and is looking at the "cocoon" as the scene ends.

Added: Wednesday 04 September 2013 12:30:49 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Does anyone know when Cocoon is broken up into two parts, where does part one end? I have this on tape somewhere, I just can't find it for the moment.

Someone has posted this on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s93tDydfYCI

There is a "new" ending in this video for the second part of the two-part syndicated version (which actually ran after the regular season shows some time in 1969 -- this has a separate production number in the Viacom catalogue). This has a different font than usual, with a mish-mash of scenes from various episodes.

I think this ending was strictly for the Family Channel, because I have a version from TBS where the show was edited into a 2-hour movie and the end titles were the usual flashing blue light. I also have a 2-hour movie version in French which has the blue light end titles as well.

Added: Wednesday 04 September 2013 11:30:13 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

"Confused? You won't be after you watch next week's episode on 'Soap'"

Sound familiar?

Quite frankly, my mind can't quite make its way around anything more perplexing than . . . "When we last saw McGarrett, he had a rotary-dial phone and a secretary, Luana, to field his calls."

Added: Wednesday 04 September 2013 11:22:46 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

More spoilers - UGH!! I can't stand it!!

http://tvline.com/2013/09/03/fall-tv-spoilers-2013-shows-ncis/#!21/hawaiifive-0/

PREVIOUSLY ON... | As Kono ran off to China with Adam and Danny reunited with Gabby, McGarrett visited Wo Fat in prison -- having learned that his mother had once, mysteriously, done the same! But just as he arrived, unseen forces came after the enemies, working their way through the cell's steel door...

COMING UP NEXT | Who's knocking on Wo Fat's door? "If they made it that far, they're pretty formidable. And if Wo Fat is scared, that's a big deal," says showrunner Peter M. Lenkov. In short, "The people on the other side are a payoff to a larger story." With regards to Kono's absence (she'll appear in "a bunch of" early episodes but won't rejoin the team until about midseason), Five-0 "will feel fractured, like a three-wheeled car" with a key player MIA. Enter Chi McBride (Human Target) as Lou Grover, a SWAT Captain with whom Steve will at one point reluctantly be partnered. "If people thought McGarrett was ballsy and lived by his own rules, they haven't met this guy yet," Lenkov attests. "He's going to give McGarrett a run for his money." Also ahead: More on the Doris/Wo fat connection ("It's not the obvious answer"), a Chin Ho flashback episode, McGarrett comes to regret encouraging Catherine to work for Billy's security firm [Billy is Catherine's ex-BF who we met briefly in the last episode of season 3], and an hour that revisits Pearl Harbor through the eyes of Steve's late grandfather.

TVLINE BONUS SPOILER | Lost fans can count on a fun in-joke -- "a little deserted island reference" -- when guest star Jorge Garcia shares scenes with Daniel Dae Kim in Episode 3. Plus: We may get a song from Carol Burnett, when the TV icon pops up as Steve's aunt.

Added: Wednesday 04 September 2013 10:23:20 MST


Submitted by: Koni
From: America

Oh wow I did not know that the judge was Roley. The 2 episodes he directed are 2 of my 5 all time favorites. Too bad he did not do more.

Added: Tuesday 03 September 2013 15:26:57 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"Just watched A Capitol Crime last night which mirrors this discussion somewaht.

This is the ep where the old man with the bomb straped to himself is trying to get the govs attention to reverse the planned demolition of his very old house to put up a new youth center."

I watched this episode 3 times in a row - over the course of 3 days. Yes, it was THAT good! Even better than I had remembered. Easily the best episode of season 9. Barnard Hughes was exceptional as Clinton Palmer and his interactions with Jack Lord, the governor, Jimmy Borges, Sharon Farrell were spot-on!

"Side note: I always thought Sharon Farrell was much, much better at playing psycho then anything else"

Ditto! She was completely unhinged in this episode - especially at the end! Fantastic performance! Dick Davalos as George Hawley was very good too. Also a special treat was spotting Sutton Roley (who directed the episode) playing the judge at the extradition hearing in the beginning. Sutton directed two other very good season 9 episodes - "Double Exposure" and "Elegy in a Rainforest". He really should have done more episodes.

Added: Tuesday 03 September 2013 14:01:23 MST


Submitted by: Koni
From: America

Thanks for the info 1.0. Yes now I recall that town, have been there maybe 3 times and I loved the charm of the old buildings and the surfing lifestyle. I am surprised that the town lasted this long in its present state!

Just watched A Capitol Crime last night which mirrors this discussion somewaht.

This is the ep where the old man with the bomb straped to himself is trying to get the govs attention to reverse the planned demolition of his very old house to put up a new youth center.

Side note: I always thought Sharon Farrell was much, much better at playing psycho then anything else as she did in this ep. Never liked her or thought she brought any kind of special dynamic to the team in the 12th season. They should have gone with Amanda Mcbroom or anyone else really.

Added: Tuesday 03 September 2013 11:07:36 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

And you think that I am cynical about Five-0?

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2013/09/time-warner-and-cbs-end-click-measuring-contest

Excellent news for television enthusiasts in such regional markets as New York, Los Angeles, and Dallas: Time Warner and CBS have finally concluded the click-measuring contest that had, for the past month, prevented Time Warner subscribers from viewing CBS, Showtime, and CBS.com. The victor: CBS, naturally. Network president Les Moonves said in a statement that CBS will now be "receiving fair compensation” for the privilege of broadcasting such artistic achievements as NCIS, NCIS: Los Angeles, Elementary, Hawaii Five-0, and You Ruined My Life Mom.

[...]

It was an easy enough public relations win for the network, which, in conjunction with talented writers and actors, produces hilarious comedies, thrilling dramas, and whatever Hawaii Five-0 is, to the delight of millions of fans.

Added: Tuesday 03 September 2013 09:34:58 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

There is an "everything but the kitchen sink" desperation about all these high-profile guest stars appearing on the show next season. Surely there must be a big budget for these people; they are not just happy to get a free trip to Hawaii. You have to wonder if there is a lot of "budget" left over in the Five-0 production coffers which has to be used up. Considering the way the ratings are going, how can CBS justify throwing yet more money at it?

Added: Tuesday 03 September 2013 09:13:20 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Wow. After reading that, it is amazing how lame this new show is. You would think after being made to move to Friday Night which is the surest sign the end of the show is near, they would wise up. You would think after their ratings dropped like a stone the last two years they would wise up. Instead they double down on their attitude of the first three years of the show. Just amazing. I wish the Time Warner/CBS feud hadn't been settled to keep drek like this off the air!

Added: Tuesday 03 September 2013 06:53:06 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

A fifth member of Five-0? (SPOILERS)

http://t.co/8fs15kfVCl

Added: Monday 02 September 2013 09:11:59 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Another note or two about Hale'iwa:

Re: the rent won't be affordable for artists after the rebuild - - That is what happened on Kalakaua Avenue in Waikiki. What once was a typical downtown area (dime stores, a department store, etc.) has become completely upscale between Beachwalk and Kapahulu, what is called the Kalakaua Strip. I call it Rodeo Drive West, if that tells you anything. Kahala Mall is more affordable.

Re: what Hale'iwa offers - - It's also a mecca for the surfers who hang out at the Pipe, Sunset Beach, etc. The sidewalks are wooden; indeed, the town looks like a page out of the Old West. But, I guess that should be in the past tense, now.

You can google pictures of it, as well as the Hale'iwa Bridge, which surely will be replaced to accommodate the upscale traffic that the developers hope will flood into the rebuilt town.

Oh, man! Life ain't fair! :!mad:

Added: Monday 02 September 2013 03:30:36 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Koni, Hale'iwa is on the North Shore, at the point where Route 99 ends and Route 83 comes across from the East. The town has been an artist's colony, the shave ice capital, and the home to a couple of small boat harbors, as well as a couple of popular restaurants, Hale'iwa Joe's and Jameson's By the Sea. Yes, Jameson. I'd love to ask them whether the Governor owns it. LOL Both have good food but even better views of the ocean, especially Jameson's.

As I mentioned, the old buildings are being torn down. New ones reminiscent of the old ones are supposed to be built, but we know how that goes. The artists probably won't be able to afford the rent, so on, and so forth. A friend on Facebook, photographer Jason O'Rourke, closed his art gallery for the last time yesterday. He hopes to go in with two other artists in another location, but everyone knows it won't be the same. It never is.

Added: Sunday 01 September 2013 18:58:23 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I didn't think this episode ("Wooden Model of a Rat") was that shit-hot. I think the only reason it was "remade" was because the actor who starred in the show (Ed Asner) was able and willing to reappear.

http://fiveohomepage.com/5-0log8.htm#182

Added: Sunday 01 September 2013 16:54:12 MST


Submitted by: Koni
From: America

1.0 where on the island is Hale'iwa???

Is the Rat episode considered to be a gem in the series? It was remade on the new show and it seems to come up often in here. I always thought it was a mediocre ep except for the ending which was nice!

Added: Sunday 01 September 2013 16:36:23 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

At the very least, he researched the subject, perhaps before he performed in "Wooden Model of a Rat." It's an interesting art form, I've learned since seeing the episode on DVD.

Added: Sunday 01 September 2013 13:47:03 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

This seller has several Jack Lord items on Ebay:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/saturntrade/m.html?item=121163703070&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562

This offering makes you wonder if Jack Lord had input into the original Ed Asner/August March episode:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jack-Lords-owned-book-NETSUKE-A-Guide-for-Collectors-from-Jack-Lord-Estete-/271266933359?pt=US_Nonfiction_Book&hash=item3f28c4ea6f

Added: Sunday 01 September 2013 11:34:11 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Bill Koenig shares this article about the upcoming 45th anniversary of the show:

http://hmssweblog.wordpress.com/2013/09/01/hawaii-five-os-45th-anniversary-cop-show-with-a-spy-twist/

Added: Sunday 01 September 2013 09:01:02 MST


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