Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- September 2012

The Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- September 2012



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Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Interesting article by Wayne Harada from The Star-Advertiser on Five-0's crappy ratings for third season premiere:

http://bit.ly/PFaPkC

Added: Sunday 30 September 2012 22:30:29 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

L.B wrote: "Incidentally, I was very surprised that Marie would allow that reporter to follow them all the way up to door of their home given how private the Lords were."

I had that same thought... I was half expecting to see Jack Lord's hairy hand appear and slowly close the door behind Marie.

Added: Sunday 30 September 2012 20:55:38 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

>As for his disappearing from public life, he did not. He >disappeared from the acting profession. He still was very >active with humanitarian causes...

One of the things I have always wonderd is how actors/directors (especially of TV and motion picture) can live with themselves. What I mean is they spent their entire acting career years getting us to believe (in most cases) totally fictional stuff that is just fantasy and empty entertainment. You wonder if they don't come to a point and wonder what they really did with their short live, I mean that has real significance beside just living out fantasy.

That why many/some of them just give it all up in the end and do works that benefit mankind in ther remaining time left, like Paul Newman, that husband actor of "Bewitched." and others. Maybe they realize they just wasted their lives doing nothing that has real importance and so then turn to something really significant and valuable to their lives and forsake any association with their past (useless) career and life.

At least that is why I would never go into acting--it is vain and pointless and accomplishes little unless you star in big moral-type films that have deep meaning and purpose and can move people in positive ways.

But cop show? What real value and purpose does that serve? Most is fantrasy nonsense (as we see in current Hawaii Five-0) devoid of any real conection to real life. Most is just guns, killing, sin, lying, stealing, blood, murder, gore -- over and over again in different plots and twists--ad nauseum

If someone really loved their past work, they would not abandon it and have no dealings with it. If they abandon it, it is for some deeper reason.

I would not be surprised if Jack Lord has such thoughts --that Hawaii Five-O career really did nothing for mankind, or even for himself personally except to make a lot of money (which he gave away all to charity). But to try to have some positive impace, I mean real positive impact instead of working in sets of make-believe--maybe that is what happened to him that he so dramatically "disappeared" from acting.

I am interested to find out why Tony Scott, director of Top Gun and others, also recently comitted suicide. I wonder why?

Added: Sunday 30 September 2012 19:39:00 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

>Rubbish! The show - like people - has a choice, to take >the high road or the low road

I think you are missing the bigger picture (money!)

Yes, any show can make a choice --INITIALLY. But can that choice be sustainable, that is, if it does not wind up making money down the road? The answer is obvious.

Take the original Hawaii Five-O. From the history I have read, that show brought in (at least) hundreds of thousands of dollars in tourism and business to Hawaii each year. There's your money factor. Was it great acting and "the high road" that kept Hawaii Five-0 going? Many episodes were crap. Those episodes where the dress Magareet and act as a oriental were so laughable and poorly done I recall as a kid laughing at the stupidity and thinking then that Hawaii Five-O was really a poorly done show. But Hawaii was new to the Union, mainlanders were being introduced to a pretty exotic and diffreent part of the US, etc.

When I read of the program's history, that is what I read and what really stands out, over an above quality of acting, writing -- a big money maker for Hawaii. After all, Hawaii is a pretty uniquie place--being so isolated in the middle of the Pacific, with native species of birds and plants found nowhere else, etc. Hawaii then was a new jewel of the US being disvcoered, And Hawaii Five-0, just because it was made in Hawaii and on prime time on US TV, helped in that process more so than perhaps **anything** else.

And so who in Hawaii would not sponser it if they could?

You can't make shows that last that don't make a profit, not in commercial TV at least. They may take the high road at the start, but will they last on that high road if society is also not on the high road at some sort of equal footing?

Added: Sunday 30 September 2012 19:07:32 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

It is interesting to note that the American Journal interview aired one month before Jack's death. No wonder Marie looked so weary.

It seems to me, after watching Jack through 12 seasons of Five-0, that his health seemed to break after Season 4, again after Season 8, and a third time before Season 12. Even in the early seasons, he sometimes seemed to struggle to catch his breath. I think he was having symptoms of congestive heart failure even then. Of course, that is what ultimately took him.

As for his disappearing from public life, he did not. He disappeared from the acting profession. He still was very active with humanitarian causes, with world travels, his investments, promoting his art, and other personal interests. He did not leave life; he simply retired from acting.

Sometimes, when people retire, they have to leave it all behind in order to cope. I know my dad did. He was a mechanical engineer. After he retired, you couldn't even get him to talk about engineering, building construction, etc. He coped by leaving it in the past and moving forward with his retirement interests.

Added: Sunday 30 September 2012 18:30:23 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Hi, L.B.,

I will say this: I have it on good authority that Jack did not have Alzheimer's. This was told to me by a lady who was friends with him during the last thirty+ years of his life. She was a singer and did consulting work with TV and radio and has lived in Hawaii since 1983, and saw Jack often at public events. Every time Jack went to the doctor, he would tell her and tell her that he was fine. The only thing he would forget, she told me, is where he parked his car when he went shopping, which we all do.

I also found photos of Jack on photo websites like Getty Images that were taken at AFI award shows in the eighties.

They range from 1980 - 1985:

on.fb.me/SXlaHY

I have found checks wrote dated from the late eighties to early nineties, which are always turning up on eBay, as well as a letter from an art gallery owner to Jack talking about the possibility of Jack becoming a part-owner of the gallery. A person with Alzheimer's will not be attending award shows, writing checks, or considering business ventures.

H5O 1.0 can tell you more about Jack's charity work and business dealings during that time. There is also another reason why Jack might have avoided public life, which I will share later. Because of time, I can't type it all up now but, rest assured, I will later.

Added: Sunday 30 September 2012 17:51:04 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

>I don't think he planned on dropping from sight so
>quickly. Maybe he wanted to look after Marie...

It's easy to see what happened. If Jack was in any presentable shape, someone, somewhere would have seen him, reported to have been seen him, etc. He had Alzheimer which most likely progressed quickly at first and then very little afterwards, and had pretty dramatic effects in first 1-2 years, which made it just too difficult (embarressing?) to be seen in public by anyone, anywhere. The conerns you mentioned still probably would have made him showup in public, even if by accident, in a store, on a beach, etc. For him and his wife it was too embaressing and humiliating to admit to this awful disease. The goal was to protect the positve healthy robust image of Jack Lord instead of seeing him in such a vegetable state he was in, no matter how much lying had to be done to do that.

Added: Sunday 30 September 2012 17:31:03 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

Watching the American Journal video that Mike posted reinforced something to me about Lord's life post Five-O.

I believe it is almost certain that Lord suffered from some health condition (Alzheimer's, etc.) in his later years. It also appeared from the interview that Marie was doing a good spouse's duty and covering for her husband and his health at the time. I find it a bit of a stretch that Jack would have essentially made no public appearances in his last 15-18 years if he were really completely healthy just because he was shy. He was a public figure who had done many interviews when the show was ongoing, so he certainly could have given an interview with a reporter after he retired had he desired. The lack of appearances probably resulted from a combination of his health, his desire for privacy, and not wanting the public to see him as he aged compared to how we remembered him during the show's run.

Incidentally, I was very surprised that Marie would allow that reporter to follow them all the way up to door of their home given how private the Lords were. I would be curious about the thoughts of Vrinda and others probably more in the know about this phase of Mr. Lord's life.

Added: Sunday 30 September 2012 16:28:14 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Mike, thanks for all those clips.

James sounded angry. Maybe this was probably the 1000th reporter who asked him about Jack's health. I read an interview with James done a few years before Jack's death where James said he had been in touch with Jack until 1993 or thereabouts. Then, whenever James tried calling Jack, Marie would tell him Jack wasn't there. It was originally printed in one of the Honolulu newspapers.

Sharon's comment's about Jack seem typical of her, but also contradictory to what others have said.

Seeing Kam with that cigar in his hand is eerie, considering that he died of lung cancer five years later.

I think, going by Marie's words, that Jack was not into socializing, and he had his fill of it. He gave interviews and talked to people when he was working and doing such things were important. Now that he wasn't working anymore, he didn't want to do those things and he didn't see them as important anymore.

When Five-O went off the air, Jack worked on other projects, M: Station - Hawaii and wanted to direct film versions of novels. I don't think he planned on dropping from sight so quickly. Maybe he wanted to look after Marie and devote time to her, since he spent so much time away from her when he was doing Five-O. CBS meddled with that Five-O reunion movie that Jack wanted to do (Jerome Coopersmith suspects this) and the studios in Hollywood were eating crow after telling Jack that Five-O couldn't be done, so they did not cooperate with any projects Jack wanted to do, and he didn't want to be known for playing McGarrett forever, so he was stuck in terms of new material. Even if he kept acting and directing, I think he would not have bothered speaking to reporters, either.

Added: Sunday 30 September 2012 15:44:25 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

>Here is another clip, an episode of the tabloid TV
>program American Journal....

It's obvious Lord's wife was lying through her teeth. That interview was in 1997, some 16 years after the last episode, and as the actor-gone-painter said in the clip, Jack was already fogetting his lines, names, in 1980. Wikipedia says Jack died of Alzheimers. You can be in pretty sad shape in just 2-3 years after the first symptoms, which must have happened in Jack's case

Perhaps then in 80s 90s, Alzhiemers was a shameful thing to admit to. President Reagan had it, but he admitted to it and wrote "good-bye" letter to America, but then left all of public life. Now it is more an open topic because it is becoming a huge issue as America's population ages.

I found this web site that listed where Jack's 40 million went to--VERY IMPRESSIVE.

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/Jan/22/ln/FP601220358.html

Added: Sunday 30 September 2012 15:08:24 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Re: "It all about money and profit in the end. And if a sick society wants to see and gets excited about sick things, the show has to show sick things to make money."

Rubbish! The show - like people - has a choice, to take the high road or the low road. "Blue Bloods" takes the high road. If Danny Reagan is too rough on suspects, Internal Affairs, Papa Frank, and his siblings tell him about it. He's dialed it back quite a bit from Season 1, too! Jack's McGarrett got out of hand a few times, and the governor told him about it. He dialed it back, too. That is called checks and balances, and that is what keeps a society from going to the polar extremes. It, not do-whatever-you-want-no-matter-the-cost, is what makes a society civilized. Too much of what we see today is nothing more than barbarianism and has no place in the life of a civilized society.

Added: Sunday 30 September 2012 15:05:23 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

>That may be how the networks and Madison Avenue look at
>it, but that is not how the viewing public looks at it.
>The viewers are looking for a variety of different
>things, which is why different people like different
>series.

It does not matter really what the viewers are looking for or how they see things working. The viewers that make the decision are the viewers that go buy the comercialed products regardless of what they are looking for in the show itself or how they think things work.

If Chevy could not point to increased sales of Chevy because of Hawaii Five-0, Chevy will drop supportng the program, and funds to make the program start drying up, until the execs decide to cancel the show. That's why ratings are important--the higher the ratings the more likelihood Chevy will make a profit from supporting Hawaii-Five-0.

It all about money and profit in the end.

And if a sick society wants to see and gets excited about sick things, the show has to show sick things to make money

Added: Sunday 30 September 2012 14:30:38 MST


Submitted by: Mr.. Mike
From: Vancouver

Here is another clip, an episode of the tabloid TV program American Journal originally broadcast on December 22, 1997. Various people are interviewed, discussing whatever happened to Jack Lord, including his wife Marie, Moe Keale, Kam Fong, Margaret Doversola, James MacArthur and Sharon Farrell. Herman Wedemeyer also appears.

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/video/AmericanJournal/

Added: Sunday 30 September 2012 14:11:11 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

Nielsens: how did 5-0 do? top 20? 30? 40? 50? lower? :!cry:

Added: Sunday 30 September 2012 13:52:18 MST


Submitted by: Steve's Girl
From: Germany

Thank you for sharing these videos, Mr. Mike.

Added: Sunday 30 September 2012 13:04:19 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I am going through a bunch of old video tapes and found an item from Inside Edition where Marie Lord talks about Jack. This was recorded at the 1999 Five-O convention in Honolulu.

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/video/InsideEdition1999/

Here is another clip of Honolulu news coverage of the 1996 convention:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/video/1996Convention/

Added: Sunday 30 September 2012 12:13:26 MST


Submitted by: Oscar van Hemel
From: Seattle, WA

H50 Forever, I think you are projecting your feelings about the actors on to your suggestions about how to deal with the characters on the show.

You say that Alex O'Loughlin's McGarrett should be locked up in Halawa again. Why? Because he killed the governor (which is why he was in Halawa)? But he didn't! Maybe you would prefer O'Loughlin to be locked up because he isn't Jack Lord? :!thinking:

As far as Daniel Dae Kim's Chin Ho is concerned, he took the fall for his uncle who was stealing money from his job (HPD) to pay for a transplant for his wife (Chin's auntie). Not exactly first-degree murder (like McGarrett and the Governor), but definitely not according to the rules. And in the most recent episode, Chin murdered his arch-enemy Delano in cold blood.

DDK the person is definitely a "nice guy" from everything that I have read, but his character is far from blemish-free.

Added: Sunday 30 September 2012 10:16:58 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

"By the way, who is the governor these days? We never see him/her, anymore."

The governor is Governor Denning, played by Richard T. Jones. He showed up about three times last season. In the season premiere last year, he chewed out McGarrett for breaking the law and told him that Five-O had to operate within the confines of the constitution. However, all that was forgotten by the writers, until Lori Weston's last episode, when the governor went to the hospital to read the riot act to Five-O.

How the writers can be so bad at continuity and write as though they have amnesia is mind-boggling. It's not to hard to remember that they have a new governor who is not giving them free reign.

I agree about your comments regarding the self-serving, amoral/immoral attitude, "it's all about me" attitude the cops have. What is laughable is how people lauded the family-feeling and team-oriented theme of the show, claiming that that was what made it better than the original when, in reality, all that was superficial. If you notice, the "team" is broken into two pairs: Steve-Danno and Chin-Kono. There was very little interaction with Steve and Chin or Kono, even to give orders or discuss evidence. Even when Chin was grieving over Malia, who was comforting him? Kono -albeit in a weak and awkward fashion.

Danno only had interaction with Chin when Steve was in Japan, and it was obvious that though Chin was more in control of the investigation of the current crime than Danno, Danno still tried to take charge, but was ineffective. I didn't like his snobby attitude towards Doc Bergman when he was trying to explain the significance of where one of the serial killer's victims was dumped.

Added: Sunday 30 September 2012 09:52:49 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Re: "But the real question is which will make money."

That may be how the networks and Madison Avenue look at it, but that is not how the viewing public looks at it. The viewers are looking for a variety of different things, which is why different people like different series.

For me, the REAL "Hawaii Five-0" and "Blue Bloods" offer good values and show that they work in this crazy, mixed-up world.

I despise shows that preach violence, amorality/immorality, self-service, and other me-first qualities. That is what is wrong with Five-Faux. The police break more laws than the criminals they are trying to capture. Never do they operate by the book. Never do they discuss the right way to approach a case. They just start blasting away, even if they are in the middle of Washington Place or Ala Moana Boulevard. Quite frankly, the governor should send AOL's character back to Halawa Prison and Scott Caan's character back to New Jersey, appoint Daniel Dae Kim's character to serve as the new head of Five-0, and let him hire some qualified detectives, who respect the law. Either that or rename the series "Anarchy in Hawai'i", because that's all this pathetic excuse of a remake is.

By the way, who is the governor these days? We never see him/her, anymore.

Added: Sunday 30 September 2012 05:12:16 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Jimmy Borges and Dennis Chun at the recent Sunset on the Beach, from Facebook:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/jimmyborges/jimmy-dennis.jpg

Added: Saturday 29 September 2012 20:11:34 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

What I find refreshing in Blue Bloods is to see how the Reagan cops and family deal with moral issues with honesty and integrity. Like when young Reagan cop was told to allow a hit on a gangster to go through, or when the other one has a photograph of a alleged shooter that he can not legally use, or when comissioner finds out a priest is set out to be a canonized a saint but was not so saintly in reality. And yes, the family disagreements and disputes that arise during Sunday dinner also are well done and thought out. It's a very balanced and stimulating show with nothing really overdone.

Unlike Hawaii Five-0 where almost everything is overdone, and pretty empty and shallow. It is so obvious that Hawaii Five-0 is trying to woo you with action, drama, bullets, explosions, and that sort of nonsense.

But the real question is which will make money. Let's enjoy the breaths of fresh air because who knows how long they will last.

Even Blue Bloods can turn sour. Most truly good series have a good start and then just go south afterwards as they try to maintain the high level they started out with, and they almost aways fail to do that. When did you ever see a set of sequel movies 1,2,3, etc, where 2 was better than 1, 3 better than 2? I always sort of admired Jackie Gleason for not continuing with The Honemoooners because he knew the quality of whatever would come next could hardly match the quality of the first 40 shows they did.

Added: Saturday 29 September 2012 19:17:40 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Actually, John, I find it to be a breath of fresh air to see a family sharing Sunday dinner, offering a blessing, and crossing themselves. It's time more of us stopped to count our blessings.

Of course, the writers make sure the family doesn't come across as "too perfect." The kids squabble, someone burns dinner, they have different points of view on issues at work, and so on, and sometimes, those differences send them away from the table and off, in their separate directions.

As for the rest of what you said, sadly, I must agree.

Added: Saturday 29 September 2012 15:50:09 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

>My only problem with last night's episode of "Blue
>Bloods" was all the commercials. They seem to have more
>and more with each passing year. Hey, FCC! You're
>supposed to serve "We, the people," not big business!

Never forget how commercial television runs and what is its goal. Its goal is NOT to educate, enlighten, even entertain. Its goal is one-- TO MAKE YOU DISASTIFIED WITH YOUR CURRENT CONDITION, so that you feel you do not have all you should have (when you might), or all you need (when you have all your needs), etc. so that you go a want to buy something (which you do not need or even really want). NO show, no matter how good can, survive for long if its ratings, and thus commercial sponsership drops.

This is why TV is much a reflection of society, because TV operates on the basis of society's state of affairs. Commercial TV is flooded with violence and cops shows, and sex, and course joking and silly meaningless talk, because that is the current state of our country. And people watch this stuff, and so producers make it because they can find sponsers that know they (sponsers) will make money which such stuff.

FCC has next to nothing to do with it. In fact FCC is sort of a joke. They put limitations on verbal speech and fine for "wardrobe malfunction" but they allow sensless killing, gory scense of blood and mahem, fighting, violence, which is 1000% more deadlier to society than swearing or nudity.

Perhaps the rise in commercials suggest that Blue Bloods is facing some financial challenges. Or perhaps it is a general trend in all of commercial TV. I do not know. I do know that there is stuf in Blue Bloods that will turn off people, like prayer specifically addressed to Jesus Christ at Sunday dinner, a large unified family that spans 4 generations (where do you see that?).

There is a good chance that Hawaii Five-0 might outlive Blue Bloods because Hawaii Five-0 is crazed with mindless violence, superficialty, nonsense and stupid thinking--this is more what our society is like. And more people might be drawen to that, meaning sponsers have better chance of makng money

Added: Saturday 29 September 2012 14:31:37 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

"Daniel J. Travanti played Captain Frank Furillo on Hill Street Blues. While a very good actor, he did not have a commanding presence like Jack Lord or Telly Savalas did, for example."

Thanks, L.B. Now I remember him. I saw a few episodes of Hill Street Blues years ago, when TV Land used to show it. The emphasis was on the drama and personal lives of the characters, and from what I remember, Travanti did well for those storylines, but he lacked the intensity and command of presence to do a storyline filled with tension and suspense like Jack or Telly did.

I read about HSB and people I know who have watched it filled in many blanks for me. Since the producers intended for HSB to be more about the the personal side of the cops rather than the crime-fighting side, they must have gone looking for an actor who fit the bill as far as those types of storylines went, hence Travanti's casting. Since Furillo was not the center of every storyline, they probably were not aiming for casting someone with a strong command of presence because they didn't want that actor to stand out or dwarf the other cast members. This may explain why certain actors are chosen for certain roles. Casting is not all accidental or haphazard.

"I agree completely with your points regarding characters' back stories, old flames, etc."

Thank you again. "Beautiful Screamer," along with "Once Upon a Time," "Most Likely to Murder," "Time and Memories," and "Man in a Steel Frame," are all prime examples of the comments you made. The relatives, friends, and/or girlfriends were a part of the crime, either as victims or suspects, so it drew Danno and Steve in further than if they were simply the impartial investigator. Being personally involved made it inevitable that the storyline would bring out emotions these guys didn't usually show, and that makes a far more powerful impact than if they got emotional and shed tears like babies in every episode.

On the new show, bringing in a side story like the Danno/Stan paternity issue is cliched and adds nothing to the main storyline or is interesting in of itself. Tracking down a brutal criminal should be more important. They can find out who is the child's real father anytime. They won't be able to track down this criminal all the time, especially if the guy gets away while they're wasting time with blood tests. Whether Danny or Stan is the father has no place on a show like this. It's not going to be relevant to any crime they are investigating, and is only a distraction. The way the writers wrote it in made it look incidental and like it was merely filler.

The original show stuck to one storyline for the full duration of an episode, and was able to come up with enough occurrences between the criminals and detectives to keep the storyline moving along and keep the audience's interest. There were no scenes or dialogue which weren't important to either the main plot of the crime committed, or the character study and development of the individual characters for whom they were written.

Added: Saturday 29 September 2012 10:03:05 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

Vrinda,

Daniel J. Travanti played Captain Frank Furillo on Hill Street Blues. While a very good actor, he did not have a commanding presence like Jack Lord or Telly Savalas did, for example.

I agree completely with your points regarding characters' back stories, old flames, etc. The original Five-O handled these topics better in that we only saw them if they were relevant to the plot. For example, the fact that Danny's girlfriend (Anne Archer) in "Beautiful Screamer" was one of the killer's victims made that episode more powerful because of the emotions that he went through after she was killed. The new series had one episode where Danny's daughter was kidnapped which was relevant to the plot, but I don't like to see side stories such as whether Danny or Stan is the dad when the team is going after a brutal criminal. If it isn't relevant to that week's plot, leave it out like the original series did.

Perhaps Hill Street Blues' greatest legacy is that it changed the way cop series storylines were presented rather than being a truly great series itself. The series never finished in the top 20 of the Nielsen ratings for any of its' seven seasons, and only two seasons have been released on DVD. While the subplots may have been entertaining to some, for me it comes down to this question. If Marcus Lucien ("Elegy In A Rain Forest") is on the loose, who do you most want to watch track him down, McGarrett or Furillo? Case closed.

Added: Saturday 29 September 2012 08:44:16 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

FYI: Friday, October 5th marks the 50th anniversary of the release of the first James Bond movie. It was, of course, "Dr. No," featuring our boy Jack as CIA agent Felix Leiter.

Across the pond, celebrations are gearing up. Anniversary editions of Bond DVDs are selling like hotcakes. The theme song is enjoying renewed popularity. Even Bond's Aston Martin DB5 is up for sale.

Added: Saturday 29 September 2012 07:45:19 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

My only problem with last night's episode of "Blue Bloods" was all the commercials. They seem to have more and more with each passing year. Hey, FCC! You're supposed to serve "We, the people," not big business!

As for the episode, itself, it was very skillfully crafted (Of course, everything Donald Bellisario does is outstanding) and performed (Every character is perfectly cast and well up to the task presented by the writers). A real shame Bellisario didn't do Five-Faux. It's visible how much he likes the original, and that comes through in "Blue Bloods."

Added: Saturday 29 September 2012 02:55:29 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

L.B,

Thanks for your comment. I also noticed how shows like Rockford and Hill Street Blues were always lauded by the critics when they were not crime dramas in their true essence. Hill Street Blues did well in showing how police departments are really run and in spotlighting the lives of the police officers away from their work, but it cannot be judged as a crime drama in terms of depicting crimes and how they are solved. That is what a crime drama is all about, and those elements you listed can add to a shows' appeal, but they cannot make the show.

There has to be a storyline that focuses on the characters - detectives - doing their jobs - solving crimes. That the writers have to pad the scripts with storylines involving family members, old and new flames, relationships between main characters that have no connection to their work, and mindless banter meant to simulate humor, then that means that the writers don't know how to write a crime story.

I remember the face of the detective who played the lead on Hill Street Blues, but not his name. Whenever a show wins one award after another and is praised by critics, it turns out the show doesn't live up to the praise.

The idea of giving background information on the characters and having these personal side stories has been a phenomena on TV for the past twenty years. For critics since then to now to judge a show made long before that (the original Hawaii Five-O) on elements that were not even used on any other show at that time is ludicrous and wreaks of arrogance.

A crime show, where the object of the storyline is solving a murder, kidnapping, bank robbery, series of murders or rapes, catching a spy, or busting up a crime syndicate is not going to be enhanced by a side story involving the lead detective's girlfriend moving in with him, his sidekick dealing with divorce and child custody issues, his other partner having parenting problems, and the fourth cop trying to figure out who his birth parents are.

Added: Friday 28 September 2012 22:07:32 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

I just finished watching the CBS season opener of "Blue Bloods."

It puts Hawaii Five-0 to complete and utter shame. It's hard for me to forget the episode, but I can forget Hawaii Five-0 in a flash second. Hawaii Five-O is a complete joke in comparison.

Added: Friday 28 September 2012 20:02:24 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

I agree with all posters regarding their comments about the "family" theme in the new series (or any series for that matter).

One thing I have always bristled at is when critics give a crime drama series a thumbs up because of traits such as family, humor, and characters lives away from the office. While these things can add to a show, none of them will make an average cop show great on their own. Many critics over the years said they didn't like the original Five-O and Jack Lord's character because it lacked these traits. I suppose they would rather watch the likes of Jim Rockford or Thomas Magnum instead, but they miss the point. Who would you rather have protecting you from a criminal on the prowl, McGarrett or two guys who many times would forget where they parked the car when the plot thickened?

Years ago, I learned not to listen to these types of analyses when Hill Street Blues kept winning all those awards. It supposedly had everything (humor, family life, realism, colorful characters) and won every award in sight. However, it is largely forgotten today, while Hawaii Five-O still thrives (old series and new). And, after all those awards and accolades, many people would have to think for a minute to remember who played the lead cop on Hill Street Blues.

Added: Friday 28 September 2012 17:02:43 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

"Vrinda, I agree with you about the pseudo-family aspect of the new HF-Zero. It's supposed to be based on the original show which was a crime show. ..."

Thanks, Elaine, and thanks, John. I thought it was odd that Five-O was billed as a crime show when they focus so much on this family drama and social drama theme. How many cop shows over the years were canceled because they didn't delve into the main characters' personal and family lives, or give background information on them in the first or subsequent first-season episodes? I can't think of any.

Added: Friday 28 September 2012 13:15:48 MST


Submitted by: Bill K.
From: Detroit area

Re: Herbert Lom...He also appeared on The Man From U.N.C.L.E. However, it was a two-part episode and those were always intended to be released as theatrical movies outside the U.S. The budgets were a bit bigger, so it may have seemed as if it were more than TV.

The TV version was called The Five Daughters Affair and the movie version The Karate Killers.

Added: Friday 28 September 2012 11:42:00 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

>I am still an avid fan of this show, everyone is truly
>creating a cohesive ensemble pseudo-family. Unlike NCIS."

Look, if "family" is your thing in cops show, watch "Blue Bloods" (also on CBS--a total different species of writers works there). The human relationships in Hawaii Five-0 are still superficial, silly, unbelievable, corny, mainly because they are presented as super-heros, action-packed super(wo)men, who does not exist in real life.

Added: Friday 28 September 2012 10:29:35 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: NC

I didn't mention this in my comment yesterday, but when going through my "seniors" list of 5-0 guests, everything I found on Nehemiah Persoff said he is 93 and still kicking, but I thought we were just lamenting his passing awhile back. Perhaps I am just confusing him with someone else, because we do make a respectable effort to honor all those who starred on 5-0 and passed. At 93, Mr. Persoff has a good chance of eclipsing Mr. McCarthy's record. Let's hope so....

Added: Friday 28 September 2012 09:22:51 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Helen Hayes passed away in 1993 at age 92.

Added: Friday 28 September 2012 07:49:56 MST


Submitted by: Elaine
From: Watertown, MA, USA

RIP Herbert Lom. He was a very good actor and has left a substantial body of his craft behind him. It's very possible that Lom didn't know much about American TV series because he resided primarily in London, per info in his obit this morning. But he will be missed. I think I'll watch the Highest Castle Deepest Grave ep tonight in honor of him. And I wouldn't be at all surprised if ME TV ran that ep in the near future in honor of him. They ran the William Windom eps when he passed away.

Vrinda, I agree with you about the pseudo-family aspect of the new HF-Zero. It's supposed to be based on the original show which was a crime show. But if they want a family-oriented series, then they had better move it to a different time slot because 10 pm is too late for "family viewing'! Of course, then they would have to dial-back the violence, the shoot-outs, the bond-ian gadgetry and the like....and we could have an hour of carguments, family custody squabbles, weddings, deaths in the family, etc...and the writers wouldn't have to come up with real plots. Or, we could just tune into General Hospital, The Young and the Restless, or the remake of Dallas which, by the way, I'm told is as good a remake as can be had! Bingo! That's it! HF-Zero is the Hawaiian version of Dallas!

I have to agree with Mike that the producers don't use the beauty of the islands to anyone's advantage. The original series boosted tourism and people wanted to visit the islands because of all the beautiful scenery that was shown week after week. The new version doesn't capitalize on the location at all. It could easily be shot in Hollywood with scenes of Honolulu spliced in from any travel documentary. More's the pity. But I digress.

With respect to the oldest member of the original series guest stars, I don't know how old Helen Hayes was when she passed away, but I think she was in her 90's, too.

Time to listen to my Tibetan bells and rid myself of the bad karma with which the new Five-zero has afflicted me!
Aloha!

Added: Friday 28 September 2012 07:28:44 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

A part of a comment I just read on the IMDb:

"I am still an avid fan of this show, everyone is truly creating a cohesive ensemble pseudo-family. Unlike NCIS."

What is this big deal about family? This is not a family drama. It's a crime drama. Is that the most important aspect of this show that everyone is looking for? It sounds as though creating some family atmosphere and centering on their relationships and socializing are important to the viewers than an actual crime story.

Added: Thursday 27 September 2012 20:12:54 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

Wackiest Herbert Lom Clouseau film: THE PINK PANTHER STRIKES AGAIN

ditto for A SHOT IN THE DARK-2 of the funniest Clouseau movies. loved where Lom placed that letter opener in SHOT---OW!

RIP Herbert Lom

Added: Thursday 27 September 2012 14:49:58 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

"....please don't tell me that he didn't kill her because SHE's his MOTHER, too!"

Elaine and Big H, you're heading into soap opera territory with that one.

Didn't Joe White tell Steve last season that Shelbourne was hiding from Wo Fat? And then when Doris comes along, she's not afraid of Wo Fat and lets him go. Was Joe lying about that or did the writers make one their usual storyline blunders?

Added: Thursday 27 September 2012 11:55:55 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I wouldn't be surprised if Lom didn't know what Five-0 was. Unlike guys like Simon Oakland or William Windom who worked in television extensively Lom was strictly a movie actor. If you check Lom's credits Five-0 is the only thing that he did on TV. Just like Hume Cronyn. These guys were as distant from television as possible.

RIP Herbert Lom. You were a great Chief Inspector Dreyfus. And Napoleon in WAR AND PEACE. And Mondrago on Five-0.

Added: Thursday 27 September 2012 11:07:41 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

Went through about 20 or so "senior" guests of 5-0, and closest I could come to Mr. McCarthy's age of 96 (besides Mr. Lom @ 95) was Buddy Ebsen, who also passed at 95.

"....please don't tell me that he didn't kill her because SHE's his MOTHER, too!"

Elaine...I laughed soooo hard at that!!!
:D :D :D

Added: Thursday 27 September 2012 10:18:42 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Sad to hear about Herbert Lom. He was a riot as the Pink Panther's boss.

I don't know about that story you heard, Mike, but given that Lom was a movie actor, and movie actors look down on television, he could have easily said that.

Added: Thursday 27 September 2012 09:22:53 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Of Five-O guest stars who have passed away, who lived the longest? Kevin McCarthy was 96, for example.

Wasn't there some story about Lom, how he was offered the role on Five-O and said "what the heck is that?" (meaning the show). His children, who were much more clued in, insisted that he take the part.

Added: Thursday 27 September 2012 08:23:07 MST


Submitted by: Maxine
From: Brooklyn

Herbert Lom passed away today at the age of 95.

Known best around here of course as Mondrago from "Highest Castle, Deepest Grave."

Added: Thursday 27 September 2012 07:38:50 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

more like

Boo Hoo!

Added: Wednesday 26 September 2012 15:07:55 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

i will see SINGAPORE FILE again....and start crying :!cry: when i hear the music score especially the final act before shootout at the temple. and hey, NO music score during the firefight!

Added: Wednesday 26 September 2012 14:48:36 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Yeah, that "booboo" nickname that McG gave Danno was puke-inducing. And of course then we have to have a cargument about the "booboo" nickname because Danno obviously doesn't like being called "booboo". Ok, so we just got done arguing about whether the desert is better than the beach. Now let's argue about being called "booboo". What are these writers smoking when they write this crap????????

Added: Wednesday 26 September 2012 14:30:37 MST


Submitted by: Elaine
From: Watertown, MA, USA

So, my two cents worth on the premier ep of Five-Zero last Monday night. I stayed up to watch it because I was curious to see how the writers would write themselves out of the corner that they had written themselves into.

For anyone to believe that Adam could find Kono 2 miles off shore and rescue her based on a simple telephone call from Chin on his way home was ludricrous beyond belief. Even with GPS coordinates, anyone who has spent any time on the ocean knows that finding a submerged body at night is like the proverbial needle in a haystack....un...freakin' believable!

The reunion between McG and his Mom was something else! McGarrett definetely has abandonment issues because 5 minuters after learning his mother was alive and well, he started with the arrogant pose again, just like he did when he first spoke to the Gov in the pilot. Okay, so he spent time looking for her murderer, but as everyone knows, when you're a spook, you're never done with being a spook. It follows you all the days of your life and the writers missed that part big time.

What else...oh, the rescue of Wo Fat...absurd...not a shot was fired by the police detail escorting the truck and oh, by the way, how could anyone be sure that anyone in the armored car would survive being dumped in the ocean? Delano.....that trip to HPD and the evidence room to steal the drugs was unbelievable (what ever happened to police security...or do we just assume that if Delano can break out of Halawa prison, he can just as easily break into HPD??? Ugh! The carguments continue and now Mom McG is part of that mess.....

The shoot out along Ala Wai Blvd....absurd...how many innocent bystanders were killed there? And last, but not least, or maybe it should be least...that confrontation between Mother McG and Wo Fat....please don't tell me that he didn't kill her because SHE's his MOTHER, too!

Sorry about the caps, just frustrating to think about that episode. The whole thing is full of holes big enough to drive a mack truck through!

ME TV is re-running Season 1 and it is so good to see the original cast doing their thing....Full Fathom Five yesterday and A Stranger In Our Own Land today. Now that's entertainment!

I probably shouldn't do this, but to anyone who thinks that the premier episode Monday night was okay, I quote
the venerable McGarrett in "3,000 Crooked Miles",

"Aloha, suckers!"

Added: Wednesday 26 September 2012 14:06:28 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

And what ?!?!?! on earth was that buddy term of endearment from McG to Danno??? Booboo??? Really?? :D :D :D

Geeez.....give me a break. Can you see JL calling JMc booboo?? :!giggle: Another "jump-the-shark" moment from our show....

Added: Wednesday 26 September 2012 13:47:33 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Is August March evil?

http://youtu.be/QPbY1Eisto8

Added: Wednesday 26 September 2012 12:58:59 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Who can believe ratings?

Here is the press release from Global TV in Canada (who broadcast Five-O):

(TORONTO – September 25, 2012) – Canada made its choice loud and clear Monday night with 1.9 million viewers tuning in to the season three premiere of Hawaii Five-0 and 1.8 million catching the second episode of the ever popular Bones (2+ Nat).

Head to head against the competition, Hawaii Five-0 won its timeslot nationally with 710,000 viewers (A18-49) and in the key Toronto market, it handily beat CTV’s Castle season premiere by 45% and Citytv’s Revolution by 38%.

Here is the press release from CTV, their competition:

Toronto, ON (September 25, 2012) – CTV’s CASTLE and DANCING WITH THE STARS: ALL STARS led the network to a #1 finish on the first night of Premiere Week, preliminary overnight data from BBM Canada confirms. Stepping into the top spot of the night with 2 million viewers was the return of hit series CASTLE, growing 6% over last season’s average. The perennial timeslot winner bested the season premiere of HAWAII FIVE-0 (1.9 million; Global/CBS), and the second episode of REVOLUTION (719,000; Citytv/NBC), which dropped 28% from last week. Up 2% with A25-54 against last season’s average, CASTLE was also the #1 program of the night with the F18-49 and F25-54 demos.

Added: Wednesday 26 September 2012 12:21:08 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: non-PC land

The only thing that really entertained me was the WoFat rescue. That helo pickup/dump was so preposterous that it was mildly "Bond-ian", but I still laughed at it.

"Why are the network shows soooo bad anyway? Look at the pay chanels and cable chanels dramas/crime shows and all the Emmy nominations they received."

Well, H1F touched on three areas as to why this series is failing, but I can add another. They are sooooooo afraid of the PC gods it is mindnumbing, but the powers-that-be interject all kinds of superfluous crap (carguments, ridiculous public shootouts, vapid relationships that go nowhere, all of Danno's side baggage, etc.) in order to "pretend" that the show is as non-PC as the original, but the ratings don't lie.

Look at ANY of the shows on AMC cable (MadMen, Breaking Bad, Hell on Wheels, The Killing, The Walking Dead). I don't know what their ratings are, and don't really care, but for my money, they are wiping the noses of regular tv (and probably most cable shows). The scripts are pretty true to life and very non-PC (just watch Mad Men for a season and find out!!)

Added: Wednesday 26 September 2012 11:00:09 MST


Submitted by: Bill K.
From: Detroit area

bit.ly/vd0ttL

A link to another HMSS post from November 2011. It basically compiles HMSS Tweets made during the North Korea episode. Title of the post? Clearly McGarrett 2.0 has never watched Die Another Day

sample:

Because if he had, he wouldn’t have gone to North Korea. Or, as somebody said in Return of the Jedi, "It’s a trap!”

As you might gather, we were watching the Nov. 21 episode of Hawaii Five-0, featuring the latest confrontation between Steve McGarrett 2.0 and his arch-enemy Wo Fat 2.0. We’re not even halfway through the episode but he’s already been betrayed by Jenna Kaye (female version of the original show’s spymaster Jonathan Kaye). Lesson for viewers: If somebody says you need to go with them to North Korea, DON’T GO!

Added: Wednesday 26 September 2012 09:48:24 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

More comments from deadline.com:

---

Terrible numbers for Hawaii 5-0 and, given the quality of the show, it’s hard to see how it’ll bounce back. As Revolution stabilizes, 5-0 will continue to slide. Problematic for CBS. Guess they can always move the show to Fridays and limp to 88.

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Watched Five-O, want to stay a fan of this show for many reasons. But I think the show "jumped the shark” last night with the helicopter grabbing the armored car. I mean is that the best the writers can come up with? I just don’t understand why they don’t use the Hawaiian scenery, history, locals, local crime stories as much as they could. If the show is constantly going to be about McGarrett’s SEAL past and all that, then why even do the show in Hawaii? All the constant scenes on a stage / interior, why????? You’re on Oahu, use it!!!Show it!!! I know many people who watch the show to see Hawaii, and week after week they are disappointed. Just recently started watching the first season of the original Five-O on DVD, and what a joy it is to watch for the scenery, stories, locations, cinematography, wardrobe (all the sharp suits Lord & others wore) and acting. Opposite of the new Five-O. Producers need to watch some old Five-O, Magnum, Raven or Byrds of Paradise for stories, locations and cinematography ideas.

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5-0 scripts and execution are the problem. I’ve been trying to give it a chance for 2 season now, but scripts are so shallow and there’s no chance that the actors on this show can save these bad stories.

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The problem with Hawaii Five 0 is executive producer Peter Lenkov. He has taken the show in a truly cartoonish direction. The stories do not make any sense and are not compelling drama. Lenkov was able to tread on the name and history when the show was up against no competition but his creative decisions season after season continue to drive viewers away at a time when the show should be thriving creatively and in the ratings. CBS knows all this but they like controlled robots for EPs and that is exactly what they have in Lenkov. The show will scrape to four, maybe five years instead of the eight, nine or ten it was capable of if it had been well executed. It will be a loss of many, many million because CBS chose to put a failed feature writer and a tool like Lenkov in charge of a potential billion dollar television title. Sad but true.

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I’m surprised FIVE-0 lasted more than one season given how repetitive the plots were. Every week, someone gets kidnapped (Kono, an admiral’s daughter, an ambassador, McGarret’s sister, etc.) before the gang uses satellite surveillance to track down the warehouse the bad guys are hiding in. They sneak up from behind with their guns drawn and then McGarrett has a short fist fight with the bad guy. Wash, rinse, repeat. Also, didn’t both season finales involve the Five-0 headquarters getting blown up?

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I love HFO for the cast and scenery. I love Danny and steve and their banter. Those slamming the writing are correct. The first season was pretty good, the pilot ep is still my favorite. The second season was pretty bad.

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I really feel for the cast and for O’Loughlin in particluar, you can tell he’s put his all into it and because of bad writing and bad decisions by CBS exec’s to sacrifice their Monday night line up, the show has tanked. A spectacular ratings swan dive not seen in a long time.

Added: Wednesday 26 September 2012 09:05:43 MST


Submitted by: Bill K.
From: Detroit area

bit.ly/QALBUq

I did an HMSS post about how the Five-0 season opener "borrowed" from You Only Live Twice and Licence to Kill.

Twice had a helicopter with a giant magnet that snatched up a car (with SPECTRE thugs) and dropped it in Tokyo Bay. It was done for real while the Five-0 helicopter with the giant claw looked like CGI to me.

Licence (yes, with the English, rather than U.S., spelling) had a sequence where a drug kingpin is being transported in a maximum security armored car. One of the guys in the truck is on his payroll, he knocks out the driver and drives the truck into the ocean (scene takes place out near Key West). A scuba team then rescues the kingpin and the guy on the payroll. They manage to do this without killing the guards, who just want to get back tot he surface.

It's not the first time Lenkov & Co. have done this. The new post also links to an HMSS post from last year after the North Korea episode. In that one, they copied Die Another Day -- not only with the torture sequence, but in having the North Korea sequences filmed to look dark (even in daylight) while the colors are bright in other locations.

Finally the new HMSS post also notes the difference between Danno 1.0 and Chin 2.0 in a comparable situation.

Added: Wednesday 26 September 2012 08:52:07 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

>Remember that it is against police policy to fire a
>weapon into a crowd. I shudder to think how many bodies
>were lying injured and dead on Ala Moana Boulevard and in
>the beach park after that shootout.

Well, well, I guess there are even more idiotic, unrealistic, unbelievable, non-realworld aspects to this episode that I can catch.

Did anyone ever believe **even one second** last season's epsiode where they all go to Korea to save Steve??

This series is **so** unbelievable, the plots so ridicluous, the action so faked, the characters so fantasy-land and anything from human, even when they try to make it human-like--they just do not fool me do not succeed. I just want to forget what I saw as fast as I can

Added: Wednesday 26 September 2012 08:49:20 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

There has to be a reason for the ratings slide into the toilet

What time was this huge flap on Monday Night football with the referee making the bad call? Twitter literally exploded because of this, there were something like 1,000 tweets a second. I have no idea what the time frame is here, what time was this mess and did it impact Five-O as a result? Probably a lot of the football game audience were going to watch Five-O, maybe their brains were in a twist instead?

The reason I suspect is because the show's direction last year took a serious dive with the addition of the Lori character which dragged on for 15 episodes. This ended just around the time that the show was seriously in its repeat cycle which would have further alienated viewers. But I don't recall what the ratings were like for the last 8-9 shows of the season last year. Is there any way to get this kind of historical data from one of the "numbers" sites?

By the way, here are some stats from Amazon as of today for the release of season two.

Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #332 in Movies & TV (See Top 100 in Movies & TV)

#20 in Movies & TV > DVD > Action & Adventure
#50 in Movies & TV > DVD > Drama

Is this good or bad for a show which has only been out a week?

Added: Wednesday 26 September 2012 08:31:16 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

It really would not have taken much for Monday night's episode to have been a good one. Of course, the same thing can be said about so many episodes. All they would have had to do was dial it back.

- Let Mom McGarrett be polite to her son's friends and colleagues. What kind of mother would launch an attack against them without provocation? No wonder Steve and Mary Ann have so many problems! With a mother like that, who needs enemies? Maybe Mrs. McG wasn't undercover as a spy. Maybe she was one step ahead of the authorities that went after her for child abuse? Just a thought.
- Remember that it is against police policy to fire a weapon into a crowd. I shudder to think how many bodies were lying injured and dead on Ala Moana Boulevard and in the beach park after that shootout.
- Stop and think through scenes to make sure they are reasonable, if not realistic. As has been said, there's no way anyone could sneak past the HPD's security system and reach the archives. Similarly, there's no way anyone could breach security to plant a bomb that would blow out one whole side of the building.

Back to the drawing board, Five Faux writers. You are so far off the mark that even the comic book publishers would reject your scripts. As police commissioner Stewart McMillan said in 'Til Death Do Us Part' in "McMillan & Wife" (Universal, 1972), "The trouble with writers is that they don't recognize the implausibility of their own scripts." You got that right, Mac!

Added: Wednesday 26 September 2012 07:40:34 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Here are the shows where Peter Lenkov was the writer or wrote the story. Note that he was involved with the first and last episodes of each of the first two seasons. He also was involved with two shows I particularly dislike, the one with the North Korean general in season one, and the one in season two where they went to North Korea to rescue McGarrett. Not too successful with last night's one, that's for shure!!

Pilot (20 September 2010) - (story) (teleplay)
Lanakila (11 October 2010) - (written by) [off the wall convict escapes]
Ho'apono (1 November 2010) - (written by) [Robert Loggia]
Po'ipu (15 November 2010) - (story) [The Siege - ugh!!]
Hana 'a'a Makehewa (13 December 2010) - (story) [Chin Ho with bomb on neck]
Ke Kinohi (3 January 2011) - (story) [Noshimuri introduced]
He Kane Hewa' Ole (17 January 2011) - (written by) [box with a head in it]
Ho'opa'i (18 April 2011) - (story) [Sean ("Diddy") Combs]
Ho'ohuli Na'au (2 May 2011) - (story) [Rick Springfield]
Ua Hiki Mai Kapalena Pau (9 May 2011) - (story) [sarin gas, father from Dexter]
Oia'i'o (16 May 2011) - (written by) [season one finale]

Ha'i'ole (19 September 2011) - (written by) [season two premiere]
Ki'ilua (21 November 2011) - (written by) [North Korea episode - ugh!!]
Ua Hala (14 May 2012) - (written by) [season two finale]

Added: Tuesday 25 September 2012 20:10:46 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

A very cliched, unoriginal series premiere, and Lenkov made it sound like something exciting. I'm amazed this lasted two seasons and is starting a third. CBS will keep it on until they get enough episodes for syndication, then who knows what they will do next.

TC, as for the cable shows, though they differ from network shows in that emphasize character over storyline - at least that is what I have read. It's not the rule for them all. I do think some of these cable shows that I have seen are not as great as the critics claim.

Added: Tuesday 25 September 2012 17:23:29 MST


Submitted by: TC
From: SF

Those numbers re not at all surprising. Terrible show, not sure how it has lasted 2 seasons. Then again it does not take much for a network show to succeed these days.

Why are the network shows soooo bad anyway? Look at the pay chanels and cable chanels dramas/crime shows and all the Emmy nominations they received.

Added: Tuesday 25 September 2012 16:33:30 MST


Submitted by: Joekido


From: I sure hope so too. I'm losing my patient my this series now.

Added: Tuesday 25 September 2012 15:41:39 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

This season I HOPE will be the end, Hiram.

Added: Tuesday 25 September 2012 15:21:54 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

This season I predict will be the end.

Added: Tuesday 25 September 2012 14:17:46 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

From tvbythenumbers.com:

Hawaii Five-0 premiered to a 1.9 adults 18-49 rating down from last year's 3.4 adults 18-49 rating.

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From deadline.com:

http://www.deadline.com/2012/09/ratings-rat-race-partners-debuts-low-revolution-holds-ok-nbc-abc-split-night/

Both The Voice and Revolution were dinged by the increased competition. The Voice (4.2/11) was down 11% from last week, while Revolution (3.5/9) was down 15% from its big premiere last Monday. Still, NBC comfortably won every half-hour of primetime last night. The feat was most significant for rookieRevolution, which is staking a claim on the 10 PM hour, beating soundly the season debuts of ABC’s Castle (2.5/6) and CBS’ Hawaii Five-0 (1.9/4). The number for Hawaii Five-0 is a little alarming for a marquee franchise entering its third season.

From the Comments section:

Wow, disastrous numbers for 5-0. Terrible for them because they need episodes to syndicate but they cannot have a Monday 10 pm show with these numbers. And deserved numbers, the scripts are awful and both the regulars and guest cast are just walking through it, Billy Baldwin was almost sleepwalking. I’m sure CBS is a tense place this week as their new dramas unspool. MOB DOCTOR? We hardly knew ye. I’ll bet it’s gone by tomorrow.

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Mike and Molly did ok, a 3 demo against the last 30 min of Dancing with the stars and The Voice is a good result because the last 30 min are always the strongest for those two shows. But Hawaii 50 did terrible. I think this show has always been weak. It never got the numbers CSI Miami was getting there, even if NBC never aired anything good for 2 seasons. It is just a bad show with very weak acting.

Added: Tuesday 25 September 2012 14:09:01 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

yeah, not a good episode at all. but mike, i told you! Superman would come in and save kono! see? someone saved her. and why is reiko always involved in character's death in opening minutes of season openers? first ,she's dead w/in 1st 5 mins of 24 season i dunno. and now , 1st 5 mins of FIVE -0.

the two talking vegas in the car must also be a promo for the new CBS show VEGAS tonite. i am not gonna watch it. but yeah, did like the OCEANS reference. chin killing delano and that shot must be a tribute to UNFORGIVEN when eastwood kills hackman in about that same shot. we don't see the impact. we see the shooter and BLAM!

another take on HEAT w/ that silly shootout?

the music score with McG and mom in the beginning i admit i liked. and again with the goofiness of the score when McG and Danno talked in the car? sounded like hanna barbera!

next week, the return of August March
hope it's good.

Added: Tuesday 25 September 2012 13:19:17 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The font type is a variation on Helvetica Outline (probably Helvetica Black Outline), known under other names as Arial (used in Microsoft programs like Word), Swiss and Helios.

Added: Tuesday 25 September 2012 12:13:32 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

AJ,

It looks like a very thick Arial or Verdana.

Added: Tuesday 25 September 2012 12:12:19 MST


Submitted by: A.J.
From: Berryville VA

Does anyone know what typeface is used in the Hawaii Five-0 logo??

Added: Tuesday 25 September 2012 12:03:49 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

"That whole ep (The Patriarch), as Vrinda so eloquently stated, is really about a chess match btw/n McG and the old Fox....even though McG is "suspended." To allow Nick an easy out just cheats Mcg AND the viewer. H1F says "Instead, he and his chauffeur would make their way in an unpretentious sedan to a small airfield for a flight to the Big Island..."

Thanks, Big H.,

Like you, I also agree with H50 1.0's idea of Dominick escaping. It didn't seem right for him to take the coward's way out. This is a theory, but maybe the writer, or the producers, or both, wanted all three Vashons put out of commission in different ways.

Chris gets shot by McGarrett and dies of his injuries later on. Honore tries to have McGarrett killed, only to fail and be arrested, tried, convicted, and sent to jail. Dominick tried to frame Steve for murder, and nearly succeeded, only to be done in by his own need to gloat and talk too much. His plan falls apart, and he kills himself. In a way, they remained consistent in that all the men get comeuppance without the same exact thing happening to each one, but there was still a difference in how each of them met their end.

The ending that you and H50 1.0 suggested is similar to what happened to Honore in that Dominick gets arrested and goes to jail. It could be the producers didn't want more than one Vashon in jail, or just thought the suicide ending was more shocking.

Going for a different ending aside, I would also have Part 3 end with Steve and the rest of Five-O storming into Vashon's house, looking for him, only to have the butler say that Dominick has left and didn't tell him where. Steve gets on the phone and calls HPD and tells them to out on an APB on Vashon, to set up roadblocks near every airport and dock on the island, and to put Oahu on complete lockdown.

The next scene shows Dominick sitting in an anonymous car, driven by his chauffeur or one of his other men, and going to an airfield like you suggest, and dozens of HPD men come out surrounding the place, guns aimed at Vashon, the chauffeur, and the pilot. The scene would end the way you described, with Steve giving Vashon one last defiant remark: "Nice try, Vashon, but your kind of justice never works. Now, you'll get a taste of the real kind." The dialogue continues with Steve telling Danno to book him, with the same lines you wrote - closeup of Steve's steely-eyed look and all!

Added: Tuesday 25 September 2012 11:57:28 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

That whole ep (The Patriarch), as Vrinda so eloquently stated, is really about a chess match btw/n McG and the old Fox....even though McG is "suspended." To allow Nick an easy out just cheats Mcg AND the viewer. H1F says "Instead, he and his chauffeur would make their way in an unpretentious sedan to a small airfield for a flight to the Big Island..."

Only I would have had McG waiting for him there. And even though it's a little trite, the last exchange would go something like this. McGy> "Book him, Danno" (then Steve-0 goes mysteriously silent) Danno replies>> "What's the charge?"

McG retorts "NAME IT!!!" (Then he gives the camera and Nick that steel-blue cop look, then turns on a dime as the camera freeze-frames-->cut to the ending theme.

I'm trying to avoid the spoilers here today as I dvr'd the S3 premier last night and I"m glad I did as I'm sure it wasn't as entertaining as that Packer/Seahawk game ending.

Added: Tuesday 25 September 2012 09:42:49 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

Concerning Season 3 opener:

I forgot to mention this is my comment below, but when Chin Ho shot Delano, well, that was pure murder, and done as a cop too. His emotions in the episode should have been guilt for killng more than loss of his wife.

So not only is this series so unbelievable, but it is getting to be morally repugnent and totally distasteful (unless this issue wil be address in future episode (which I doubt)

This is in such deep contrast to another cop show on the same CBS network "Blue Bloods" where in last season the NYPD found out there was a hit on the young Reagan cop and the mobster he became freinds with, and the Reagan cop was upset when told to do nothing and let the hit on the mobster go through. The cop saved the mobsters life, and felt guilty and angry when told earlier to not even try to prevent the hit on the mobster. Such a difference. The cops and mobsters ate portrayed with much more realism as humand beings, good and bad ones, than anything Hawaii Five-O can come up with.

I just can't find any pleasure in watching Hawaii Five-0. And now this episode cliff-hamger--mother has some connection to Wo Fat -- just **so** ridiculous.

I watch the show for the same reason of many mainlanders watch it -- reminicent of my 7 trios to the Hawaiian Islands. But I am saddened that such a nice place like Hawaii gets associated with something like Hawaii Five-O.

Added: Tuesday 25 September 2012 09:33:58 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

So Reiko is dead? I tuned in towards the end last night and saw Chin executing one of the Baldwin brothers with extreme prejudice. So I immediately figured that Baldwin must have done something horrendous - like kill Kono. But then I saw Kono in the next scene so I figured it must be my girl Reiko. Which of course means that Chin has my blessings because you don't mess with Reiko without suffering severe consequences. Whether it be on "24" or on "Five-Faux". So go get 'em, Chin!! ;)

But what the hell was with that ferocious gun battle in the middle of Honolulu?? My whole furniture was shaking from all that noise. I thought I was watching a Bruckheimer/Michael Bay summer popcorn movie. And then Wo Fat shows up at Mom McG's place and they give each other knowing glances and he gets away? The heck??

Plus another cargument about Danno liking (or was it disliking?) the desert or liking the desert better than the ocean? Or some crap like that. The heck?? Talk about lame writing. Who the heck talks this way? I don't ever remember arguing with my buddies over whether I prefer the beach to the desert. Why would we? What's the point? Not even in our free time would we care about something so nonsensical. Meanwhile these guys are in the middle of a crime and this is what they talk about?????? Geez!!!

The only good part was the emotional and quiet ending with Chin by himself at home tearing up over the death of Reiko. Which again reinforces that DDK is the best thing about the show. Shame he's stuck in such a lousy production.

I didn't see the first half of the show but from what I'm reading it sounds like some really implausible nonsense. Wo's escape (again??????) sounds like a fusion of YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE and LICENCE TO KILL. Except this is no Bond movie so this type of stuff is seriously out of place here.

P.S. Speaking of Bond, I got the extremely rare opportunity last night to view DR. NO on the big screen with other Bond fans here in Philly. The film was being screened yesterday in select theaters across the country as part of the 50-year Bond anniversary. I tell ya - there's nothing like watching a classic Bond flick on the big screen! Sean Connery, Ursula Andress, Joseph Wiseman, Jack Lord! Yeah, baby!!!!!!!!!

Added: Tuesday 25 September 2012 09:10:57 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Re: Big H's comment, "When old Nick commits suicide, to me it's as if McG loses the battle of wits."

Not only that, but it's out of character for the "old fox", as McGarrett called him. Dominick would be the last person to throw in the towel. More realistic would be his old mansion possessing a hidden passageway through which he could escape just as Five-0 was driving up. But, no. There would be no speed boat waiting to whisk him out of harm's way. Instead, he and his chauffeur would make their way in an unpretentious sedan to a small airfield for a flight to the Big Island from which they could catch a flight to the mainland and, then, perhaps home to France (after stopping in Switzerland to withdraw his millions from a Swiss bank account, of course).

Added: Tuesday 25 September 2012 06:14:19 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Amusing look back at the show so far:

bit.ly/Q46iHQ

Added: Monday 24 September 2012 22:35:14 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

My anal-ysis of the 3rd season premiere:

This episode was very disappointing and predictable with a paint-by-numbers plot. The screenplay was by executive producer Peter Lenkov, who was involved with the premiere and finale episodes for the previous two seasons.

As speculated on some fan sites, Adam Noshimuri, who was tipped off by Chin Ho, came to the rescue of Kono after she was dumped over the edge of Toothpick's boat. But considering Kono had a couple of minutes to live, where would Adam in his dinghy have to have been in order to find her? Right beside Toothpick's boat! And surely Toothpick would have made Adam look like Swiss cheese! How else can you explain this? Was Kono dragged miles underwater by some mysterious current in a couple of minutes? And, if so, how would Adam know where to find her. Stupid!

Malia, Chin Ho's wife, succumbed to her injuries, which produced some intense emoting by Daniel Dae Kim (one of the few good things about the show, along with Kono's sad looks). Of course, this meant that Frank Delano, responsible for her demise, would be knocked off by Chin later, and guess what ... it happened! (Delano, shooting back at Chin, couldn't hit the side of a barn door.) Toothpick was also shot dead by Kono, who did some fancy stunt work jumping on to the hood of his car.

And then there was Wo Fat, who escaped from jail AGAIN ... this time thanks to a fancy stunt with a claw-like device lifting the prison transport vehicle, similar to an armored car, taking him to the airport on the way to a Supermax prison on the mainland. This was highly reminiscent of James Bond, as was the following scene where the truck was dropped into the ocean where a couple of frogmen torched their way into the truck in a few seconds, murdered the two guards and helped Wo to escape to a ramshackle freighter nearby, which was nowhere to be seen as the truck plunged into the drink.

There were lots of questions to ask about this sequence and those which followed. Like how heavy was the prison truck and how big a helicopter would be necessary to lift it up? Who was paying for all of this? Delano? Delano told Wo that he needed to get his hands on $35 million worth of meth in the evidence room at HPD in order to make money. Delano then orchestrated some incredible scheme where he got five maintenance men to show up at a house owned by a woman who provided him with a van he was using. These men were promptly murdered and replaced by five of Delano's associates who went to HPD headquarters impersonating them, to clean up the mess from the bombing of the station seen in the previous show last year ... but, in actuality, to grab the meth. When these men beat it from HPD, they were followed by Five-O and the cops, ending in an incredible firefight on the streets of Honolulu, highly reminsicent of the film "Heat."

I did not like the character of Mrs. McGarrett at all. She has been secretly living for the last how many years in a very nice house in Japan (though Joe White had no trouble finding her). During McGarrett's younger years, she was a school teacher, but actually a spy working for some unnamed agency (presumably the CIA)! Among other things, she knocked off Wo Fat's father and escaped two assassination attempts by the PLO? Puh-leeze, puh-leeze! Although she was very apologetic to her son after they first met, as soon as she got back to Hawaii with him she started to get all smart-mouthy with Danno in a cargument where she accused him of being "afraid of commitment" and generally having serious attitude problems. Terrible! Wo Fat confronted Ma McGarrett at the end, and shots were heard, but Wo left, presumably by the window, and the episode ended with some big questions about whether she had let him escape.

The music in this show was unbelievably bad. Other production values like the photography were, as expected, OK.

MORE TRIVIA:
- The show has a new main title sequence, now including Michelle Borth.
- Talking about how Danno's ex-wife might take Gracie to Vegas, McGarrett told him, "I thought you liked Vegas," perhaps an in-joke referring to Scott Caan's appearance in the three "Oceans" movies.
- McGarrett used a bluetooth in his ear in this show rather than a cel phone -- maybe someone is finally clueing into the unsafe way he is driving.
- The address of the woman connected with Delano, Maria Gold, who never appeared on the show, was 4319 Hilahila Road, Honolulu 96819.

Added: Monday 24 September 2012 22:11:38 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Big H,

There were certain things I would change about Part 3, but nothing that would change the whole plot. I wondered why Danno didn’t take greater charge when Steve was suspended. He took charge when Steve was injured or out of town, but when Steve is convicted of second-degree murder an on bail pending an appeal, Steve is still the one who pieces everything together, and as to ask his men to gather the evidence, as if these guys have a choice. This is their friend and boss, for Heaven’s sake.

Danno was starting to take charge in the courtroom after the verdict was read ("We’ll do everything we can to make this appeal work.”), but it’s Steve who sees Vashon leaving the courtroom, and locks eyes with him. It’s not shown if the other men see him. That prompts Steve to go Vashon’s house the next day. Vashon’s noose-tightening words cinch it for Steve that he is involved, which Steve tells Danno, and Danno tells Manicote. When they have that meeting at Doc’s beach house the next day, it’s Steve who has a plan as to how to proceed, but can’t just give orders to his men like he used to because he’s been suspended.

Steve asks for the court order on Drew’s personal records, for Chin to check on Drew’s background, and for all the men to check the elevator once more. He also figures out that Sullivan had to have been killed some other way to ensure he really was dead. As Steve says, Vashon couldn’t be sure that Steve would kill Sullivan instantly, so he had to have devised some other way of killing Sullivan. One bullet had to have killed him, yes, as Steve goes on, but Vashon had to be sure Sullivan was really dead. It’s not shown, but he must have told Danno to get a court order to have Sullivan’s body exhumed and for Doc to check on it. Steve’s suspicions are confirmed by Doc after he does a second autopsy, and apologizes profusely. (A day late and a dollar short, Doc!)

All this happens because Steve thinks of everything. None of it is Danno or Chin’s own thinking. Ben thinks to go this informant, and Chin and Danno certainly show confidence and assertiveness when they question Drew’s secretary, and check out Bobby Raisbeck’s digs. None of this would have come about if not for Steve’s guidance, not changing any from when he was in charge of Five-O. Now, it would appear odd for Steve to keep quiet in all this, given that this case involves him and he’ll go to jail if the proper evidence isn’t found, but Danno should have been given his moment to take charge like he did on other occasions.

Danno took the reins efficiently in "Man in a Steel Frame.” The difference there was that Steve was not tried and convicted for Cathy’s murder. They were only in the pre-grand jury trial phase. Steve was not suspended and was still in charge of Five-O, though Manicote didn’t want him leading the investigation of himself and warned Steve about it when they went to get that warrant to search the tennis instructor’s locker. However, in Part 3: The Patriach, Steve has been suspended so Danno is the acting chief of Five-O, so he should be calling some shots here, while preserving Steve’s place in the investigation for his own appeal.

In that beach house scene, I would have had Steve say to Danno, after Manicote tells him he can ask him men for help, "Danno, you’re in charge now. It’s your call. You can call the shots, or let me ask for help.” To make it more legally realistic, they should have Steve’s lawyer there to tell him that part about asking his men for help. Danno tells Steve they’ll do whatever he asks, then gives Chin the order to check on Drew and they’ll check the elevator again.

Added: Monday 24 September 2012 22:00:42 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

I just saw the first episode of 3rd season.

As expected, this show is becoming more and more UNBELIEVABLE. This show was too fast, too complex, and too unbelievable. C'mon trash HPD basement??, all this Wo Fat is so ridiculous you have to be brainless to believe it could ever happen. You don't think that 4 patrol cars escorting the van would not take out their rifles and shoot at the helicoptor. The underwater rescue was unbelievable. The emotions of people not believable. I am losing all love (if I had any to begin with) for this series. Not even worth talkng more about it.

I watched the entire 2 hour K-FIVE broadcast of Sunset on the Beach last night. Gorgeous sunset, but I just can't believe there are all these people that are so excited about this show. This is nothing but fantasy nonsense.

Added: Monday 24 September 2012 20:11:44 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

That is one weird show. Just why did they call it Five-0? It's not and never will be. If they had given it its own name with its own character names and let it stand on its own merits, at least, that would have been honest. Of course, all this has been said (how many times?) before. Sensationalism! Pah!

Added: Monday 24 September 2012 20:09:22 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

On another thread, I never did like the ending to "Vashon - The Patriarch." When old Nick commits suicide, to me it's as if McG loses the battle of wits. :!mad:

Added: Monday 24 September 2012 19:50:05 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

L.B.,

I didn’t like the idea of having a fight scene in "Woe to Wo Fat,” either, but that was what they put in, so I worked with that. You are right: it was out of place to a fight scene, since Wo Fat was an intellectual spy. He didn’t resort to fist-fighting and guns to get his way. He had his men do that. Omitting the fight scene, they could have resorted to the same cat-and-mouse game that Steve and Wo Fat in previous episodes. In those stories, Wo Fat was step ahead of Steve every time, sometimes not in the same country. Steve would come close to catching him, but would miss him or, as was the case in "The Jinn Who Clears the Way,” he had to trade Wo Fat in for a captured American pilot.

Your idea works best: another cat-and-mouse game with all appearances making it look like Wo Fat will get away again but, he gets careless and leaves behind a clue, which leads to his downfall. They could have made this a two-parter like other Wo Fat episodes, and that would have allowed more room for them bring in Danno early on in the show, and give Duke and Truck something to do.

Long before I read the description of the final show and saw the clips on YouTube, I pictured the ending as being more like James Bond-type spy thriller, with a scene involving a shootout on a naval destroyer, complete with explosions. This was years ago, when I had not seen an episode of the show in years, and never read any synopses of them. I pictured Wo Fat as a violent, vicious spy like Blofeld. They could have worked in the naval destroyer and shooutout, with Chinese spies or other enemy spies, which could act as a diversion while Wo Fat makes his escape. Then Steve, unbeknownst to Wo Fat, is already hot on his tail and catches him in the middle of the ocean, as Wo Fat makes his escape on a speedboat. Steve goes after him in hot pursuit, like the boat chase in "Termination With Extreme Prejudice.”

I wonder why Jack didn’t call up any of the old writers who wrote previous Wo Fat shows, like Jerome Coopersmith, for instance. I doubt these guys were that busy that they couldn’t take the time to write another script for Five-O.

Added: Monday 24 September 2012 18:23:44 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

Vrinda,

I have always thought that the ending to "Woe To Wo Fat" should not have involved a fight at all (this would be expected in the new series). The battle between the two on the original series was always more of a chess match rather than hand to hand combat. Several times, Steve would arrest some of Wo's accomplices, but not the big man himself.

Actually, I thought the entire concept of this final episode was silly and evidence that the series had run its' course. The idea of dressing up McGarrett as Professor Raintree and thinking that Wo in all his brilliance wouldn't see through this in five minutes was a big stretch. Also, what was with Wo's total lack of aim with the gun? He must have missed McGarrett like twelve times in the forest. While the ending fight was satisfying in some ways, it is generally not entertaining to watch two guys 59 and 70 at the time fight.

While I do not have a specific story in mind, a storyline similar to any of their previous encounters would have been fine, but with a twist. Instead of having Wo escape, have him overlook one small detail that proves his undoing. When that mistake becomes apparent, have Duke bring in that piece of evidence to Steve. Whether there was a car or helicopter pursuit, I would want to see Steve corner Wo and explain as only he could the evidence against him and watch Wo squirm. The two never had a fistfight or gun battle prior to the last episode, so why start there?

Of course, it is important remember that by 1980, having something like this unfold would have probably been too much to ask of the writers given what they had produced to that point in the 12th season. I don't believe that Leonard Freeman would have been pleased with how that entire season played out, much less the final episode.

Added: Monday 24 September 2012 16:10:32 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Picture posted by Jimmy Borges on Facebook, from last night's premiere on the beach in Honolulu:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/jimmyborges/sunsetbeach3.jpg

Added: Monday 24 September 2012 15:59:12 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"You can be sure if something happened to one of the Fabulous Four on today's Five-0, this would not be neglected!"

:D You can say that again! In fact they would probably give us 10 episodes just to explain why Kono departed and won't be coming back. You know how they loooooove their ongoing serialized stories. Any excuse to drag it on and on and on.

No thanks, I prefer the original way. We had crimes to solve. Not spend half a season explaining why Ben departed.

Added: Monday 24 September 2012 14:27:58 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

You're being too logical, Mike. If we want to bring back Danno, we'll bring back Danno. D--- the torpedoes. Full speed ahead!

Added: Monday 24 September 2012 14:05:56 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

This scenario with Danno is fine and dandy, but there is one problem -- Danno did not appear in any episodes of the twelfth season at all, and was vaguely alluded to only once in having quit ("good men have been resigning in disgust and have been replaced by incompetent sycophants"). It's unfortunate that whoever was in charge of scripts at CBS didn't bother to explain certain things like why Kono, Ben and Danno quit. You can be sure if something happened to one of the Fabulous Four on today's Five-0, this would not be neglected! They should have worked out some kind of a deal with MacArthur similar to David Duchovny with The X-Files. Duchnovy quit after the seventh season, but still appeared occasionally during the two seasons which remained, and during the big finale at the end of the ninth season to wrap everything up ... much like you are suggesting.

Added: Monday 24 September 2012 13:51:19 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

H50 1.0,

I would also change quite a bit with "Woe to Wo Fat.” I like your idea of having Duke and Truck involved. Instead of Steve and Wo Fat making those fighting motions with their hands while talking, I would have them stand still, then Wo Fat springs on Steve, but he fights Wo Fat off and the two go at it, while the camera does close-ups of them fighting, and not the distance filming that was done.

As they fight, the helicopter sounds get nearer and nearer, then stop. Steve wins the fights, grabs Wo Fat, and tells him that’s over now. Footsteps emanate from the jungle, and two American soldiers step out of the brush and one tells Steve, "Mr. McGarrett?”

Steve answers, "Yes?” and the solider tells him that "we have come to take you home.” One solider leads while the other walks behind Wo Fat, gun aimed squarely in the center of Wo Fat’s back. They reach the helicopter, and Danno steps out, smiling at his boss.

"Hi, Steve,” Danno says. "I thought I would come along for the ride.”

"Took you long enough!” Steve says, flashing his beautiful smile, and gives his old friend a hug.
They get into the chopper and it takes off. The next scene is the one where Steve locks up Wo Fat and Wo Fat takes the file out of his shoe.

Added: Monday 24 September 2012 13:30:47 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Vrinda, I thought about letting Tommy live in "Once Upon a Time," but there would be no story if he did. That's my sentimentality speaking. I almost cannot bear to watch that episode; it is just too painful.

Really, the episode I would change is "Woe to Wo Fat." The storyline, as written, is good, but they needed to include the rest of the Five-0 Team on some level or another. For example, Duke and Truck help to coordinate efforts up front, before Steve lets himself be abducted. Danno could make a guest appearance by flying out on the helicopter that rescues Steve at the end.

Added: Monday 24 September 2012 12:58:24 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Season 3 of the remake premieres tonight. Right? [Correctamundo! - MQ]

Added: Monday 24 September 2012 12:06:14 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

All right, I've got another topic to discuss:

If you could rewrite one episode of the original series, allowing for what content was permissible on TV back then, which episode would you choose, and how would you change it?

Added: Monday 24 September 2012 10:57:09 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

OK, enough already with this 40/50 years business, let's move on to something else...

Added: Monday 24 September 2012 10:35:50 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Rick and Mike, thanks for both links.

Alex is way off in the dates department: the old show came on the air for than 50 years ago? Maybe he's not good with arithmetic.

He says we don't know much about Steve McGarrett on the old show. Did he see "Cocoon"? There was more professional background information given on McGarrett than personal information, but that is more important than knowing about his family life. We learn more about it in "Once Upon a Time."

Added: Monday 24 September 2012 10:30:22 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: One of Wells' time machines....

"I mean, if you can remember, the old show was taken off TV 40 years ago. You know, it started over 50 years ago,..."

Wow, I didn't know that Hawaii had been a state for only one year when 5-0 first aired!!! I'm learning all kinds of new stuff by regularly visting this site... :p

Added: Monday 24 September 2012 10:12:13 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Here is a link to the article by journalist Chuck Barney (who is from Hawaii) where he got to hang out with the cast members on the set, referred to in Vrinda's posting below:

bit.ly/QPJCvR

Added: Monday 24 September 2012 08:22:54 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

Re: Alex O's 40 year remark: The link was posted in July 2010 by someone who's name we don't mention here anymore.

Here's the link... bit.ly/cSc15C

Added: Sunday 23 September 2012 22:14:00 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

This slip about "40 years" is quoted in the Discussion Forum archives way back when. You can probably find it by doing a search from the site's main page...

Added: Sunday 23 September 2012 20:38:28 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

I remember Alex saying that the original was a cool show (this was on a filmed interview that aired on TV, but I saw it online). A printed interview that I read some time back said he watched the show in reruns as a child in Australia. The interview said he loved Jack Lord's portrayal of Steve McGarrett, though he was not directly quoted. That information was in the narrative. It would take me forever to find the filmed interview, but here is the printed one, from Variety:

bit.ly/b8IHgF

Alex says he "remembers when the original was taken off the air 40 years ago." Maybe that was a typing error on the writer's part, or a slip of the tongue on Alex's. I hope it is one or the other because, if it isn't, then it sounds as thought Alex isn't telling the truth about having seen the original.

Added: Sunday 23 September 2012 20:08:58 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

It is no great secret that AOL didn't watch much of the original; he was quoted as saying words to this effect when the show started in 2010.

The Borges picture dates from the early 70's, according to the comment by JB on his Facebook page.

Added: Sunday 23 September 2012 19:29:07 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

""Anybody can do the cops-and-robbers stuff--"Put down the gun!"

This comment by AOL tells me that he has watched very little of the original.

Mr. Mike...any date on that Borges photo?

Added: Sunday 23 September 2012 19:06:10 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Fantastic photo, Mike! Showing them as they really are (were). Thanks for sharing it.

Added: Sunday 23 September 2012 17:22:04 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

ok
maybe she not out

i saw on the tv guide grid, on screen saying what i wrote earlier.

we shall see tomorrow nite.

Added: Sunday 23 September 2012 15:04:07 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

What do you mean "Kono is out"? She is no longer on the show? I don't think so. She has been seen on set for several episodes while they are filming the new season. She better not be out!

Here is another interview with O'Loughlin from the Star-Advertiser, by the way:

http://bit.ly/SndEve

If you go to the Star-Advertiser directly, they want you to log in or some such nonsense.

Added: Sunday 23 September 2012 14:06:54 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

1 more day till 5-0-i guess kono is out. i saw on tv guide grid,"to avenge the death of an important family member..." hmm.

i care for PERSON OF INTEREST more than 5-0.

Added: Sunday 23 September 2012 13:23:35 MST


Submitted by: Steve's Girl
From: Germany

Congratulations, Mr. Mike!

Added: Sunday 23 September 2012 12:26:49 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

For those who might be interested, they are livestreaming Sunset on the Beach today. Here is the link. They will how everything except the actual first episode from Season 3.

bit.ly/Pd1IHM

Added: Sunday 23 September 2012 12:17:03 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Attention Vrinda:

The interview with O'Loughlin by Chuck Barney is referenced about half way down the page, though I didn't specifically mention Barney or his paper: http://bit.ly/S705Qm

Added: Sunday 23 September 2012 12:12:15 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Thanks for the photo, Mike. It looks like the photographer took them by surprise.

Here are some quotes from Scott Caan and Grace Park regarding their roles. The author of this article is Chuck Barney, and he writes a blog, from which this was taken. He also writes for the Contra Cost Times and the Mercury News website. Though he says he got to interview Alex, he doesn't quote him anywhere in this article, but says he is a nice guy and class act.

Here are Scott and Grace's comments:

"Scott Caan, on the other hand, does share a key trait with his character Danny Williams: He's not all that comfortable in Hawaii. 'I don't like it when I'm away from L.A. for too long,' he says. 'People don't understand that. They say, 'Really'? But this is paradise.' It ain't my paradise. I'm from L.A. My family is in L.A. My friends are in L.A. I'm not where I want to live, but I have a job at a time when a lot of people don't. So am I complaining? No. Am I content? (Bleep) no.'"

You can tell Scott just loves Hawaii! ;)

"You get the feeling from talking to the actors that working on a crime procedural is not their idea of acting bliss and that they cherish the few times "Five-0" ventures into emotional character terrain. They all referred to this at times, with Grace being the most open about it. Though she didn't come right out and say it, you get the idea that she may not have signed on for the show had she known the show was going to be so procedurally oriented. 'I'm more cable. Character. I'm down with that,' she says. 'If I had watched the show when I was younger. Or if I had watched more (current) television and was aware that CBS was the king of procedurals,­ I didn't know.'"

Unless Grace is psychic, she would not have known as a child that she would someday play a female version of Kono in a remake of Hawaii Five-O, otherwise she would have made it a point to watch the show then, so she shouldn't blame herself for that. She would have only have seen it then if she was interested in crime shows and watched older TV shows in general.

As an adult, being a psychology major in college and an actress, a police procedural would be something that should interest her, at least from the perspective of character study because these types of shows do give viewers an insight into the criminals and victims' psyches, if not the detectives.' Individual episodes that dealt with the detectives being personally involved or implicated in a case would provide character emphasis for them. It looks like Grace didn't watch much television in general, even modern shows, or kept up with the trends in television, which she could have gotten by reading about them if she didn't have the time to watch much TV. I don't watch much modern TV, and yet I know what is going on from reading about it, seeing commercials and previews for these shows, and watching a few episodes when I can.

Added: Sunday 23 September 2012 11:08:04 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Jimmy Borges posted an interesting picture on his Facebook page:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/jimmyborges/hilo-jimmy-al.jpg

(NOTE: I manually edited the comment to include the above link, don't try doing this! [see my note below])

Added: Sunday 23 September 2012 09:55:18 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

We are in anti-spam mode again, because someone was being naughty. What this means is, if you make postings which have a web site address beginning or ending in a certain way (click on the link above regarding "your first post" if you don't know what I am talking about) or you use certain words which relate to medical terms, you may get banned from the forum. If this happens, on the next screen is another link which you can use to contact me.

Added: Sunday 23 September 2012 09:06:18 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Congratulations!

Added: Sunday 23 September 2012 02:58:59 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I'm so excited!!

Congratulations Mike Quigley!

Your domain MJQ.NET has been given the title of "Gold Certified" on NerdyData [nerdydata.com]!

This means the domain has more visitor traffic than 99% of other websites we index. MJQ.NET will now be feautred [sic] in our Domain Hall Of Fame.

Again, congratulations and keep up the good work!

Added: Sunday 23 September 2012 01:46:03 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Good posts, LB and Rick.

I also noticed how the villains on the old show were more interesting than the ones on the new show. With the new show, barring Wo Fat, you can count the memorable villains on one hand, and when a show is entering its third season and has aired at least 48 episodes, that is not a good thing. When I listed the number of memorable villains from Season 1 of the original show, I had to go back and check the episode descriptions because I couldn’t remember all their names. It didn’t take me too long to remember the memorable villains from the new show because there weren’t too many.

Like I said before, Alex is an action hero. He can do athletic stunts, but not dramatic scenes. When your leading man cannot hold his own in a scene with the other lead actor, other main cast members, and guest stars, something is wrong. Maybe the writers know that drama is Alex’s weak point, so they write more action scenes for him. Jack thrived with dramatic scenes. He showed the right amount of emotions – not too much, but not too little. He was subtle, like Rick says, with exaggeration. It wasn’t obvious exaggeration. Jack gave the right amount of emotion while still conveying an air of seriousness and stoicism. That shows that he had a wide range. It was not as obvious because these emotions were not shown in large amounts on a frequent basis, but when the situation called for them. That way, and because Jack showed them in just the right amounts, he didn’t stray into overacting territory. People who can’t discern emotions and personality traits will label him as "wooden,” which is wrong, even when going by the definition of the word.

Daniel Dae Kim fits into the role of Chin Ho Kelly, but I don’t like the casting of Grace Park. Part of it is not her fault. Her material consists of looking up information on the touch screen computer and questioning victims with Chin. The writers also gave her sniper skills, which a rookie cop would not have. I think Kono should have been kept as a man, with a brand new female character as part of the team, if they had to have a woman there. Grace also doesn’t show a wide range of emotions, and without the connection that she’s Chin’s cousin, her presence in Five-O wouldn’t make sense.

I think Daniel and Grace might have more to do on this show than Kam and Zulu did on the old show is because Daniel and Grace are the more experienced actors. Kam and Zulu had local theater, bit parts in films, and radio in their backgrounds, which will give them acting experience, but not enough in the eyes of the producers to give them more to do on Five-O, whereas both Daniel and Grace were TV series regulars in at least one or two TV series before Five-O. Kam and Zulu had to make do with what opportunities were available to them in Hawaii, which does not have as many acting jobs available as the mainland.

Leslie Endo Baker, Harry Endo’s daughter, told me she heard that Kam was frustrated and thought he was destined to play Shakespeare, but was limited because of being in the islands. He knew just how important Hawaii Five-O was to Hawaii’s cultural development and expression in the years when it was just making that transition to being a state. Her father, she notes, did not realize just how important his role was in all of this.

Even Jack did not think he was doing anything more spectacular than playing a character he loved and doing a project he loved. He had no idea what an impact the show made with people, in the U.S. and all over the world. He knew of its achievements and accolades at the time, but had no real idea of what this show did for so many and what it taught them. So much for the egotistical label.

About the story arcs: You summed it up perfectly. The baby’s father storyline wasn’t even touched upon too much, just thrown in for filler. That’s how much these writers think these storylines through. If they cannot be bothered to come up with storylines that make sense and show some originality and credibility, but resort to multiple storylines – more than half of which they leave suspended in mid-air – then they don’t care about the quality of this show or in keeping viewers. If you’ve got to have a story arc, stick with one at a time, and develop it over time. An episode here and there that deals with this story arc, interspersed among crime-of-the-week episodes, is a better way to keep that story arc going without tiring the audience with it.

Added: Saturday 22 September 2012 22:49:17 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

As an actor I think Jack Lord was underrated by his peers. Highly underrated, actually. Due in part to the fact that he took himself out of Hollywood and played the same character for 12 years. Who knows where his acting talents would have taken him had Leonard Freeman not called.

His pre Five-O career was respectable. He came to Hollywood via the method acting route along with the likes of Steve McQueen, Marlon Brando, Gene Hackman, and other great actors who's work we enjoyed from the 1950's through the 1980's.

Method acting is exaggerated - subtle exaggeration if done well. It's an intensity that you don't get with today's acting style - which is to act like you're not acting.

While most of us agree that Lord as McGarrett was sharpest right out of the box in '68 he still had major chops in season ten's UP THE REBELS. Two heavyweights... McGarrett confronts Father Costigan (the great Stephen Boyd) on the school playground. They go at it with nothing more than a good script and the spoken word. I don't see anything on TV today that even comes close to this level of the acting. It's fantastic - one of my favorite scenes in all of Five-O.

As their conversation concludes, McGarrett sizes up Costigan as a fraud, smiles and says: "Dominus vobiscum, Father" ...good stuff.

Added: Saturday 22 September 2012 18:57:18 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

While it is very difficult to compare and contrast shows that are 40 years apart, the original is my all-time favorite show, and I prefer it over the new series primarily for two reasons.

First, while the supporting cast in the new series is very good, I believe the major difference is in the portrayal of the McGarrett character. Jack Lord owned this role and played it much more convincingly than Alex O'Loughlin has to this point. While AOL can perform some action stunts that JL could not, this is not what makes a great crime series. Some of the most exciting confrontations in a police series are the verbal ones, not just those involving shootouts or fistfights. For example, take the intense confrontations with Honore Vashon after Chris was shot or in the 1975 episode during the prison trial. Or the scene with Jimmy Rego in his office in "A Death In The Family". I simply cannot imagine AOL handling either of those scenes well.
Sure, he could have beaten either man up, but Harold Gould or Reni Santoni would have chewed him up in those scenes just as Mark Dacascos and others do today. Heck, even Scott Caan steals scenes from him. No one ever did that to Jack Lord. These scenes are what make those final end scene confrontations even more satisfying when the evil party is caught. And, along those lines, the original had the better and more evil villains.

Second, while this point is somewhat due to the eras involved, I liked the original's more straightforward storytelling better than the new series. The new series relies too much on continuing storylines, red herrings, and overutilizes the Wo Fat character. This will hurt the series in syndication down the road when we know how all these subplots turn out. Also, some of the subplots are simply unnecessary and unrelated to the story at hand. Like whether Danny or Stan is the father? Who honestly cares? The only times that the original had a continuing storyline was the occasional two-hour episode or when Wo Fat or Tony Alika kept getting away. However, these plots were infrequent enough that they were viewed as something special when they did occur. We were glad to see Wo Fat or Tony Alika rather than left wondering if they are somehow connected to every crime in the islands because they appear so much. I have always preferred stories that wrap in an hour without side items such as romances unless they are related to the plot, and the original did this better than almost any other crime series.

One bonus point. The main thing about the new series that I like most are the portrayals of Chin and Kono by Daniel Dae Kim and Grace Park, which are outstanding in my view. I also think that Mark Dacascos does a great job as Wo Fat. I simply prefer the original for the reasons noted above.

Added: Saturday 22 September 2012 17:10:04 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

No, I'm not confused. I know what I am talking about. No one here ever said that the new show will make people forget the old show and, while I can't speak for everyone else who commented, my comments were in regards to a scene in a clip that another poster provided, which didn't even include Alex, but Scott Caan and Christine Lahti. Mike asked me if I had suggestions on how to improve the new show, and I made them, explaining how I change that plot element. If your gripe is with the other posters' comments, then that's up to them to explain to you or not. My response to you was mainly in regards to your comments about Jack Lord.

Added: Saturday 22 September 2012 13:36:23 MST


Submitted by: Oscar van Hemel
From: Seattle, WA

Vrinda, if you think that I am "criticizing the original" and "exalt[ing] the new show" in the posting I just made, you are very, very confused.

Added: Saturday 22 September 2012 13:15:22 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

"Personally, I don't think Lord was such a great actor, and he quite likely had his faults being bossy, dictatorial and so forth, but there is no mistaking that he was "da man" in the right place at the right time to play Steve McGarrett and etch himself eternally into TV history."

Being in the right place at the right time is not the only important element in playing a character well. Jack had to act, and act well. Personally, I think Jack Lord was a great actor, and it’s not because of blind faith, but from watching him act, knowing the type of character he was portraying, and having seen him in other roles as well, since his entire acting career wasn’t limited to Hawaii Five-O, which is what many people think. All characters on TV shows are not the same, so they can’t be judged on the same scale. Each requires certain personality traits to convey in order to make them come to life, traits which are not going to be needed for every character. It’s easy to criticize Jack’s acting and just say you don’t think he was all that great, but I never see anyone who criticizes him explain themselves.

Steve McGarrett is the head of a police unit on a crime drama. McGarrett was ex-military and the combination makes for a serious person who is not going to be fun and games all the time. They’re going to have their work on their mind twenty-four hours a day, and that will take its toll on them mentally. As a result, such a character is going to be serious, straightforward, no-nonsense, unforgiving, determined, dedicated, and stoic. McGarrett, like any law enforcement officer in real life, cannot allow emotions to get in the way, but that does not mean he did not show them. If you watched the original series and paid attention, you would have seen his range. He showed grief and shed tears when his nephew and girlfriend Cathy died, his demeanor changed from joy at the beginning of the day, to shock and grief when he is called to the beach to identify the dead body of his friend Hennessy in "Cocoon.” Seeing how happy is when he goes to Five-O’s office and then seeing the look on his face when he bends down to look at the corpse on the beach shows a startling contrast, one which cannot be pulled off by any actor.

When Steve questioned criminals, he always dealt them a hard hand and was direct, not allowing them to intimidate him. He showed warmth and compassion when comforting victims, and stood by his men when they were in trouble. This wasn’t just the invention of writers and storywriting. Jack had to take those words and actions written on paper and make them come to life. You can’t do that for 12 years and 281 episodes without being a great actor. This was a different time when talent was needed and recognized, unlike today and on the new show.

As for Jack’s faults, no one else on this planet is perfect, either. The people with whom Jack worked were not angels. When 80% of your crew are locals with little to no training, have to be taught while they worked, were prone to fooling around, and has some entitled, irresponsible ones among their numbers who didn’t believe in working for their paycheck, you expect Jack to kind and coddling? I also have it on good account that many of these crewmembers lied about Jack’s treatment of them just to get fifteen minutes of fame and money to line their dirty pockets.

Taking the opposite route and criticizing the original isn’t going to make you sound more level-headed and superior. Did anyone here say that the new show was going to wipe out the original from the public’s conscious? No one here ever did. To make up such a story just to prove your point is making you sound less credible. There are plenty of message boards where you can exalt the new show all you want, that is, if you don’t mind stepping through a jungle of vicious cougars who will rip you to shreds if you don’t buy into the notion that Alex O’Loughlin is the greatest actor ever. That's worse treatment than you will get from us devotees of "the Man" and the original series.

Added: Saturday 22 September 2012 10:03:05 MST


Submitted by: Oscar van Hemel
From: Seattle, WA

The premiere of season three is only a few days away. Maybe because of this, some of the resident "defenders of the faith" have gone into overdrive dumping over the new show.

I totally don't get it. As Mr. Mike says on his posting tips page, "It's just a TV show and it's not Shakespeare."

The way these people are carrying on reminds me of the recent reaction of religious nutjobs to things which cast their supreme being in a bad light. You know what I am talking about here. (I don't want to offend these people and cause someone to fly a plane into Mr. Mike's house.)

Do they really think that the new show is going to wipe out everyone's consciousness of the old one? Do they really think that Jack Lord needs to be constantly defended? Personally, I don't think Lord was such a great actor, and he quite likely had his faults being bossy, dictatorial and so forth, but there is no mistaking that he was "da man" in the right place at the right time to play Steve McGarrett and etch himself eternally into TV history.

Seriously, lighten up, people. Quit bitching about the new show and say something positive about the old show instead. Maybe you will win the "hearts and minds" of all those horribly evil people who like the new one by being nice for a change.

Added: Friday 21 September 2012 23:20:28 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Hey, Steve's Girl (or should I call you Das Mädchen von Steve?), I'm glad you liked the Wagner reference. If Five-0 becomes like that epic operatic tetralogy, then the title of one of the shows will have to be "Moe 'ohana pili pono" ... which in German means "Blutschande"! :D

Added: Friday 21 September 2012 23:04:30 MST


Submitted by: Steve's Girl
From: Germany

Re Mr. Mike's comment "...what would make Wagner's Ring of the Nibelung look like Bambi by comparison..."

I nearly fell from my chair with laughter, Mr. Mike, since I know the Ring well.
BTW there are rumours that Season 3 probably won't be shown in Germany.

Added: Friday 21 September 2012 21:56:39 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

I agree with all the comments below, but I will also add that story arcs limit a series' in the long run. There won't be individual episodes from which people can pick and choose their favorites, and in reruns, it only gets worse. People who saw the show in the first run and didn't like the story arcs will not watch them again. People who didn't see the show in its first run and are seeing it for the first time in reruns might lose interest if they don't like the story arc, or if the episodes are not aired in order, it will make following the story a major pain. It also tells me that the writers cannot write a story that can be told in 43 pages of script, equal to 43 minutes of screentime.

In other news, I found these photos of Jack, James, and Ed Asner taken on the set when they were filming "Wooden Model of a Rat." I found them at Getty Images and posted them on Facebook. Given that Jack is smiling and laughing, these photos are not freezeframe shots from the show, but rather candid moments in between takes.

on.fb.me/Sh2Cra

Added: Friday 21 September 2012 21:56:29 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

Actually Lippy is one of my favorites from the the real Five-O

No longer watch the reboot. No longer post about the reboot. Don't watch TV shows to keep people employed.

Added: Friday 21 September 2012 16:19:59 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"The new Chin and the Shrimp dude are my favorite characters."

:D That can't be good, brah! I mean when the local shrimp dude is your favorite character then something is seriously wrong in paradise, eh bruddah?

That would be like me saying the local pineapple picker Lippy Espinda was my favorite character on the old show. Fortunately that wasn't the case because the main crew knocked it out of the park - JLord, JMac, Zulu, KFong. And then later Al and Squirmin' Herman. Then guys like Yankee and Tommy and Galen and Lippy would provide the local flavor. That's how it's done, bruddas!!!

What's the point of the main cast when the local shrimp dude is the most interesting guy on the show? Might as well make him the star and let him solve the cases while AOL and Danno cook the shrimp and continue their bickering, as long as we don't have to see it or hear it.

I hope Lenkov is reading this. Hey Pete! Did you hear that? Make the shrimp dude the head of Five-0!

Added: Friday 21 September 2012 14:34:49 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Deli, you're spot on about the remake. So sad. It could be so much, much better. There are some excellent cop shows on these days that prove that, even today's viewers accept a bit of tradition in the programs they watch.

I, too, like "Hawaii Air Rescue." It's not perfect, for there is too much repetition, a common problem among these mini-documentaries. But it is wonderful to see a different perspective of the islands, over and above the interesting medical stories.

Added: Friday 21 September 2012 14:19:49 MST


Submitted by: DeliWaiter
From: Hawaii-on-my-head

Face it folks, the new show is just plain bad and that's that. Better off to watch Hawaii Air Rescue on the Weather Channel. The new McG can't even be called McG lite, he more like McG Wuss. The new Danno talks to damn much and has way too much attitude. The new Chin and the Shrimp dude are my favorite characters. Kona (she will never be "Kono" to me) is OK but I would rather have a babe with some meat on her bones like Barbara Luna be a part of the team. K does look good in a bikini, I will admit that. But most of all, the writers don't seem to have a clue as to how to present stand-alone stories. This overlapping story arc jazz is the worst thing to ever happen to TV cop shows. Except for the obligatory stock surf and sand shot, I never get the feel like I am in Hawaii like the old Classic could. It might as well as be Miami, or LA. I will watch it out of respect for the jobs it brings to Hawaii but I am losing interest in it, big time.

Added: Friday 21 September 2012 13:05:43 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Oh, there are plenty of things that could be explored:

1) It turns out that Ma McGarrett "did it" with Hiro Noshimuri as well as Wo Fat's father (she is supposedly a CIA operative, Wo had some connection to the CIA as well and who knows what Hiro was up to, since he is just slimy), so these two guys plus McGarrett are all bastard step-brothers.
2) Mary Ann, McGarrett's sister, is totally unlike him physically, I wonder who her father is? Incidentally, Taryn Manning, who plays this character, is actually kind of attractive (especially in the Playboy pictorials). Too bad they have to give her this Lindsay Lohan-like makeup with a crappy hairdo and raccoon eyes.
3) We know so little about Catherine, McG's girl friend. Perhaps she could also have daddy/mommy issues, which would result in some creepy Luke/Leia "ewwww" moments. But it turns out in the end that she is not related at all.

Let's face it, the whole thing would turn into a near-operatic (not soap) production which would make Wagner's Ring of the Nibelung look like Bambi by comparison. Considering Wagner's music is public domain, maybe they could use it on the soundtrack. It would certainly be an improvement over the slop they use now.

Added: Thursday 20 September 2012 22:40:56 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Yes, Mike, he is giving my state a bad name, but he's giving himself an even worse name. :!devil:

By now, that he gets into these "carguments" with Steve, and now Mrs. McGarrett, it's made that plot device predictable as I said. It looks like he's out to argue with everyone he comes across.

Danno's got child custody issues, he and McGarrett are still not seeing eye-to-eye and clash on how to do their jobs, and this is after two years of working together. By now, there has to be some change and development, and it hasn't happened. The writers can't make up their minds what they want to do with these two, and keeping them in the same mold as in Season 1 is taking the show backwards, not forwards.

Mrs. McGarrett faked her own death twenty years ago, her husband has since been killed by Wo Fat, with whom she supposedly has ties, and her son was nearly killed by him, and her daughter has since become a mess, and she returns to all these problems, but still has the time to quiz Danno about his private life and give him parenting lessons, which is the blind leading the blind. Did they bring this woman in to take the Wo Fat story arc further, or to add what they think is more comic relief? It sounds like the failed attempts at getting Lori involved in the banter. In her first episode, she twice made a remark about Steve and Danno being married, and in a later episode, got handcuffed to Danno in the hotel room. Those incidents didn’t go over well for her, and this scene reminds me of that.

By now, Danno needs to know how to curb his rants. Granted, he wouldn’t have spoken the way he did if Mrs. McGarrett didn’t turn around and started talking to him. The woman has a lot of explaining to do for her absence, and she is not in any position to judge her son’s co-worker. Bringing in another character like her to continue this story arc, which seems to be at the crux of this show since everything else has fallen by the wayside, shouldn’t cause elements already in the storyline amongst other characters to be rehashed with her. Danno made his dislike of McGarrett known from Day 1, he also spoke rudely to Doc Bergman in that episode that centered around him, they tried some humor with him and Lori, and his squabbling with his ex-wife has been a sidestory since the beginning. Now, they bring in Mrs. McGarrett, and he’s got discord with her. Same old, same old. The Wo Fat storyline was a deadly one for McGarrett and full of shocks and surprises, the most recent of which was his mother returning. The writers shouldn’t spoil it by embedding it into the plot devices that are already commonplace on the show.

Now, Cecil B. DeQuigley, what are your ideas? You must have written an entire season’s worth of scripts.

Added: Thursday 20 September 2012 22:19:56 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Huh, what do you mean "mindless and predictable"? Danno is a jerk from New Jersey, what do you expect? (Maybe you don't like him because he is giving your state a bad name?) :p What exactly would YOU do in terms of "better material"? After all, you must have >some< ideas!

Added: Thursday 20 September 2012 21:53:19 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

No, Mike, I'm not cranky. I just don't think that clip is funny. It was mindless and predictable. Danno has these conversations with McGarrett and with anyone else who dares to speak to him, and it doesn't prove anything to me except the writers can't come up with better material.

Added: Thursday 20 September 2012 21:32:59 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Vrinda, you are too cranky. I thought this clip was pretty funny. Danno has finally met his match in jerkiness. However, I question why McGarrett's mother should be yet another "quirky" character.

Added: Thursday 20 September 2012 21:07:42 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Thank you, Joe. Danno having inane conversations with everyone he meets is a lame attempt at humor.

This is how they expect to promote the show? Promotional clips should show scenes which will get the viewer's interest. This one just drags and goes nowhere.

Added: Thursday 20 September 2012 21:00:08 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

No wonder Steve and Mary Ann have so many problems. With a mother like that, who needs...??? Good for Danno for telling her she was overstepping bounds.

Added: Thursday 20 September 2012 18:54:55 MST


Submitted by: Joekido


From: Vrinda

I take it you hate it. Good.

Added: Thursday 20 September 2012 18:40:01 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Joe,

My thoughts on this preview cannot be printed here because they would violate the censorship codes. :!devil:

Added: Thursday 20 September 2012 18:26:19 MST


Submitted by: Joekido


From: Here's a sneak peek. Your thoughts? http://www.spoilertv.com/2012/09/hawaii-five-0-episode-301-la-o-na.html

Added: Thursday 20 September 2012 18:15:40 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

"There is talk that Peter Lenkov might leave the show after his contract for the third year is up -- http://bit.ly/UpbGJL"

I just read on a message board for cougar Alex fans that Lenkov tweeted that he won't be leaving Five-O.

Added: Wednesday 19 September 2012 17:13:04 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"BTW, the Lord line "No deals!" I believe first appeared at the end of season one's "Face of the Dragon" after Chin gets shot. If I'm wrong on that someone please correct me."

It has long been my theory that when McG was born the first words out of his mouth as a baby were not "mom" but "no deals". ;)

Added: Wednesday 19 September 2012 11:06:38 MST


Submitted by: Mr. MIke
From: Vancouver

McGarrett's mom was a CIA operative? Puh-leeze! Christine Lahti spills the beans. http://youtu.be/pD1u6My9X6I

There is talk that Peter Lenkov might leave the show after his contract for the third year is up -- http://bit.ly/UpbGJL

50undercover.com thinks this is a really good interview with Alex O'Loughlin: http://bit.ly/S705Qm

Added: Wednesday 19 September 2012 10:35:13 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Big Chicken and Ringfire,

I hear you about "Air Cargo" but for me that show was a case of the whole didn't equal the sum of its parts. It had some very good stuff, scenes, and acting in it, as well as good dialogue from Chin, and the scene with Marion Ross being grilled by MCG, but it had so much plot stuffed into it, that it didn't feel like it was quite strung together right. It wasn't tight, and it didn't flow smoothly like it should. It was almost like they had a script for a two part episode, and that got nixed, so they stuffed it all into one show, hence the "unfinished" or "rushed" feel that Ringfire eluded too.

No question though, Chicken, the scene with Jack grilling Ross is a great one and they had terrific chemistry like they did on "Blind Tiger."

BTW, the Lord line "No deals!" I believe first appeared at the end of season one's "Face of the Dragon" after Chin gets shot. If I'm wrong on that someone please correct me.

Added: Wednesday 19 September 2012 08:04:51 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

the 5-0 2nd season dvd -does it have the so so NCIS LA crossover?

Added: Tuesday 18 September 2012 11:50:23 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

- What purpose is Lori really serving?

HA HA HA HA!!

Lori was the character equivalent of the music on the new show.

Added: Tuesday 18 September 2012 10:56:57 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

"The Monday 10p is going to be the highest dvr'd slot of the week, if not already. I think Mr. Mike mentioned a few months ago that 5-0 is one of the highest dvr'd shows already, but I always thought that was b/c so many of the cast chews their lines."

That's probably the case, as well the as deafening background music but, take that away, and all you have left are the actors mumbling their lines.

I came across this list of storylines for the new show on a message board. The ones with an asterisk are the ones that have been resolved, and there aren't too many:

Wo Fat and his connection to Steve's Father
- Steve's mother's murder
- The Champ Box
- Sang Min
- Joe's Connection & Did he kill the Japanese dude?
- The Dead Governor's Connection
- Why the Hesse brothers?
- The Japanese connection and why did he just get killed?
- The Noshimuri connection, did Steve really kill Koji?
- Shellborne
- Jenna's Necklace
Danno and Rachel (partially resolved S2.01)*
- Why lie about baby's paternity?
- Danno's present relationship with his Monkey
- Danno's new relationship
Kono and the Money (partially resolved S2.05)(we are supposed to imagine that this has been resolved)*
- How IA made that stick in the first place even for an undercover job. (partially resolved S2.05)*
- Still haven't made a viable connection between the burned money and the money that was replaced in the locker and the Governor.
- Why is CBS' synopsis now saying that it was a questionable shooting?
- Why didn't Steve or Danny care earlier? (supposedly resolved via imagination)*
- How they made the connection between the little old lady and the theft of the money.
Chin and the HPD
- So what happened to Chin's Uncle?
- Chin's house and the loan shark (partially resolved 1.23)*
- Kono and Chin's family, Cousin Sid, and all the rest that shunned Chin before he was accepted back into HPD's arms
Means and Immunity
- How is the new governor picking and choosing what is within the means and immunity?
- What purpose is Lori really serving?
Steve and Catherine
Mary Ann
Duke & Any Potential HPD Corruption
Danny's dead ex-partner, the IA connection, dirty cops
Matt and Danny
Danny, Stan and the Housing Commissioner
Operation Strawberry Fields

This looks like a soap opera.

Added: Tuesday 18 September 2012 10:17:02 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc, y'all

I was surfing around the channels last night and saw where NBC is going to pit their newcomer show "REVOLUTION" up against Five-faux in the 10p slot. That is already a tough slot for 5-0 because of Monday night football. Any alpha male who has a fantasy team will always be tuning in to MNF if he has a player going and his "win" is hanging in the balance.....not to mention all the females that are playing fantasy now too. (Don't want to come across as sexist. ;)

The Monday 10p is going to be the highest dvr'd slot of the week, if not already. I think Mr. Mike mentioned a few months ago that 5-0 is one of the highest dvr'd shows already, but I always thought that was b/c so many of the cast chews their lines.

Added: Tuesday 18 September 2012 09:49:52 MST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Apele 79247

"a collision course with McG leaves only one man standing - McG!! Always!!....Bottom line - you don't mess with THE MAN!”

Right on, Ringfire.

I did mean James Hong, who while specializing in playin weaselee, jittery, co-conspirators, did a deft turn as suave racketeer Tot Kee in "Devil & Mr Frog”

Added: Tuesday 18 September 2012 09:06:19 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

"And the Creep-Out Award from Vrinda's list of femme fatales goes to (drum roll, please)......

BARBARA BAXLEY!!! :!clap:

I absolutely love watching McG's jaw drop when she says....'it ain't stealin when they wuz already DAY-ID.'"

That woman had no conscience whatsoever. Her husband and children seemed to, in the end. They all looked nervous, even though Steve wasn't even grilling them. It was the mother's comments that made him shiver, and he realized there was no use in reading her the riot act. She just wasn't getting it.

Added: Monday 17 September 2012 10:54:49 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"An hows bout Wong’s great line "We’re on a collision course with McGarrett”"

Hey Chick, do you mean James Hong? Eric Ling, the inscrutable Oriental? ;) Anyhoo, yes I concur - a collision course with McG leaves only one man standing - McG!! Always!! Everyone on the island should have known that. Even Sullivan. Those baddies just never learn, do they? Don't they ever read the papers? Didn't they read what happened to Oporta, Matsukino, Bombay, Tokura, Connors, Ravasco, Colfax, Filer, Orwell, Harry Quon, Eddie Calhao, etc.? Even that slimy dope pusher Big Chicken hisself!! As for Jerry Parks, McG sent him to meet his maker. Bottom line - you don't mess with THE MAN!

And I agree about McG grilling Anita. Marion Ross gave a great performance there but her tears did not soften up McG one bit. He knew she was dead wrong in what she did and an innocent woman died because of it. NO DEALS!!

Added: Monday 17 September 2012 10:06:08 MST


Submitted by: Big H
From: Gotta git money, Sam...

And the Creep-Out Award from Vrinda's list of femme fatales goes to (drum roll, please)......

BARBARA BAXLEY!!! :!clap:

I absolutely love watching McG's jaw drop when she says...."it ain't stealin when they wuz already DAY-ID."

Added: Monday 17 September 2012 10:03:43 MST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Halawa Correctional Facility, Prison Library

The Rainbow Warrior say ‘I thought of you Big Chicken in "Two Doves and Mr. Heron" when Mcg says to John Ritter "There better not be any money in that backpack, baby, or you'll be doing twenty years you dig?" I didn't expect much out of this show, but the great acting by Morrow and Ritter, and the moment when Ritter leaves his girlfriend at the airport to die, turned this into a terrific story.'

Thanks for the shout out, brudda. Was actually our man Otto talkin up "Two Doves” here on the site that got me into it. Just saw Morrow on an old ‘Police Story,’ and thought it interesting that his Five-O guest turn be as a nebbish embezzler and closeted homosexual rather than a hard case or thugo. Really went against expectations for me. And the openin where he comin on to Ritter definitely very edgy stuff for back in the day.

Gotta beg to differ with you and Big H, though. I'm with you Ringfire, I always really dug "Air Cargo-Dial Murder.” Thought it was a tight ep and Steve-O’s boilin-over, ragin interegatin of Anita Putnam gotta be one a Chicken’s all time fave scenes

"What was the new number they used? THE NEW NUMBER!”

"No! No (jack jaw clench) - no deals”

An hows bout Wong’s great line "We’re on a collision course with McGarrett”

Added: Sunday 16 September 2012 22:11:38 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Hey Rainbow Warrior,

Regarding your first disappointment - "Air Cargo -- Dial for Murder"... I actually like that one quite a bit. It's certainly a whole lot better than some of the later episodes that deal with cargo theft rings - like "Steal Now - Pay Later" and "The Waterfront Steal" from seasons 7 and 8, respectively. Those two I find quite dull.

However, considering that season 4 is such a top-notch season with no dud in sight then yeah I guess I'd have to agree that "Air Cargo" is one of the lesser episodes of the season. Despite being quite good.

I do agree with you though that it seems like they rushed things towards the end. It almost seems like they ran out of time towards the end and really cut a bunch of important stuff out. McG shows up, throws the exploding box away (thereby destroying the evidence), and THE END. I would have liked a more tidy and thought-out conclusion. Still, up until that point it's a pretty clever episode.

Added: Sunday 16 September 2012 20:50:48 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

Mr. Hiram: I totally agree with you about Marj Dusay. I just loved her performance. Wish they would bring her back in the new series in ANY capacity. She's still beautiful and a wonderful actress.

Added: Sunday 16 September 2012 15:54:01 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

They were giving it to you straight about the wind. It nearly blew me off my feet, and I'm not small.

Added: Sunday 16 September 2012 14:40:47 MST


Submitted by: Tony
From: SF

It was wide open for them. The path looked a little daunting in places, still I would def give it a try. I wonder if they took a bus to the lookout spot??? Also I remember there not being any park employees there or even an information booth so it must not be patroled.

The first time I was there was at the age of 6 and my parents were told that a small child could be picked up by the wind and swept away, lol, so they were not going to let me out of the car, luckily they came to their senses.

Added: Sunday 16 September 2012 13:28:36 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

Marj Dusay, "The Singapore File"

Loved loved LOVED her performance! A most beautiful and sad ending too.

Added: Saturday 15 September 2012 14:07:24 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

It was blocked off when I saw it, too. The video didn't tell us whether the bikers were there legally or not. LOL

Added: Saturday 15 September 2012 13:50:34 MST


Submitted by: Tony
From: SF

Hey thanks for that link H50, wow I di see that side path and always wondered about it. Is it open to the public??? I could have sworn that it was blocked off when I last saw it.

Added: Saturday 15 September 2012 13:20:37 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

For the ladies, here goes:

Season 1: Nancy Malone, "Once Upon a Time, Parts 1 and 2"

Season 2: Marj Dusay, "The Singapore File"

Season 3: Nancy Wilson, "Trouble in Mind"

Season 4: France Nguyen, "Highest Castle, Deepest Grave"

Season 5: Patty Duke, "Thanks for the Honeymoon"

Season 6: Barbara Baxley, "One Big Happy Family"

Season 7: Patricia Hindy, "A Woman's Work is With a Gun"

Season 8: Helen Hayes, "Retire in Sunny Hawaii - Forever" (she really was nominated)

Runner up: Susan Dey, "Target: The Lady"

Season 9: Irene Yah-Ling Sun, "Yes, My Deadly Daughter"

Season 10: Jean Simmons, "Cop on the Cover"

Season 11: Kaki Hunter, "The Execution File"

Season 12: Tricia O'Neil, "Labyrinth"

There were some close calls, so I had to go with characters that had depth and made an impact.

Added: Friday 14 September 2012 21:28:35 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

RW says "I just watched my first disappointment of season Four. "Air Cargo-Dial for Murder." Muddled to say the least."

I concur....not my fav either. But keep on plugging, you're coming up on "Rest in Peace, Somebody"...will not give away any spoilers but we've already discussed it at length in the past (since it is Ringfire's fav)

Ringfire, you do have a great list there, but I would have to agree with Auto Manic and go with Guardino in "Thousand Pardons" for Season 2. That performance was the piece de resistance. :!thinking:

Added: Friday 14 September 2012 20:33:31 MST


Submitted by: Auto Manics
From: NYC

Ringfire's picks for the Emmys are good ones. I might pick those on any given day, but today i'm going with a gut reaction for some different picks. Of course it's tough to choose, when you have Ed Flanders, Milton Selzer, and so many others. For seasons 1-6, the Emmy awards go to:

Season 1: Kevin McCarthy as Victor Reese in Full Fathom Five

Season 2: Harry Guardino as Sergeant Simms in A Thousand Pardons--You're Dead.

Season 3: Tim O'Connor as Sheldon Orwell in Ten Thousand Diamonds and a Heart

Season 4: Kwan Hi Lim as Tosaki in Skinhead

Season 5: Greg Mullavey as Cerberus in The Listener

Season 6: Slim Pickens as Sam in One Big Happy Family (possibly tied with Draw Me a Killer dude)

But now we need emmy awards for the ladies as well.

Added: Friday 14 September 2012 18:30:42 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Tony, you're right. The view from the Nu'uanu Pali is simply overwhelming. It is difficult to get a sense of how high you are as you look out over Kane'ohe and Kane'ohe Bay, but the history books tell us it is 800 feet. That is how far the O'ahuans fell to their deaths when King Kamehameha the Great attacked them there.

If you've ever wondered where the path off to the right of the lookout goes, this video will show you. It's excellent! http://bit.ly/U4aKKA

Added: Friday 14 September 2012 16:18:08 MST


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

You're welcome, Vrinda.

For some reason, METV is only showing the first seven seasons of the original FIVE-0, before it starts with the first season again - oh well, I suppose that's all they have the rights to - anyway, any FIVE-0 on on TV is better than none at all - and they are the DVD prints!...:)

Added: Friday 14 September 2012 13:06:07 MST


Submitted by: Tony
From: SF

H50 1.0 FOREVER Re: your spots on Oahu, I would say that Pali Lookout is an absolute MUST for a great view. I hate to sound maudlin but it brought tears to my eyes.

Added: Friday 14 September 2012 11:55:16 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Good list, Ringfire. It would be difficult to improve upon those names.

Added: Friday 14 September 2012 11:02:18 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warriors
From: New York, NY

Thanks Mike. Since I was one years old at the time of it's airing, I'll leave it for you adults to figure it out.

Added: Friday 14 September 2012 10:39:29 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

L.B.,

I like Lee Meriwether, too. I remember her from Batman and Time Tunnel. I never saw Barnaby Jones, but it's on my list of shows to see.

I saw a photo of her on her daughter's Twitter account. She's still a beauty at 77. I don't think there's anything wrong with her playing Danno's mom, but the catty women on that message board have a problem with every woman who comes on this show, except Grace Park. I won't even get started out the moderator. That's a story in itself. :!devil:

Glenn,

Thanks for heads-up about Cocoon being on METV on the 21st and 24th.

Virginia and Will,

Thanks for that information on the interior shots and view of Diamond Head. Regardless of how much the water tank scene cost, the cost of the location shooting in those first 13 episodes and shipping all that equipment from California to Hawaii would add to it. We also have to take into account airfare and hotel accommodations for guest stars, directors, producers, and writers. James Hong mentioned how first class everything was when it came to accommodations. That would cost a pretty penny.

Added: Friday 14 September 2012 10:37:12 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I was just thinking about which ONE guest star would I award an Emmy award for each season of Five-0. Here is my list.

S1 - Gavin MacLeod as Big Chicken - "...And They Painted Daisies on His Coffin" & "The Box"

S2 - Albert Paulsen as Charley Bombay - "Just Lucky, I Guess"

S3 - Hume Cronyn as Lewis Avery Filer - "Over Fifty? Steal"

S4 - Henry Darrow as Johnny Oporta - "No Bottles... No Cans... No People"

S5 - Harold Gould as Honore Vashon (almost a toss-up between Honore and Dominick) - "the Vashon trilogy"

S6 - Elliott Street as Arthur - "Draw Me a Killer"

S7 - Danny Goldman as Eddie Josephs - "I'll Kill Em Again"

S8 - Helen Hayes as Aunt Clara Williams - "Retire in Sunny Hawaii... Forever"

S9 - Rich Little as Johnny Kling - "The Bells Toll at Noon"

S10 - Mildred Natwick as Millicent Shand - "Frozen Assets"

S11 - Ross Martin as Tony Alika - "Number One with a Bullet" & "Stringer"

S12 - Ross Martin as Tony Alika - "A Lion in the Streets" & "Good Help is Hard to Find"

That's right. No Khigh Dhiegh as Wo Fat! Guess Mr. Fat had too much competition from other greater performances.

Please feel free to post your lists.

Added: Friday 14 September 2012 09:55:52 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The broadcast dates on my pages are based on information found in Karen Rhodes' book. I recall she based this on sources such as newspapers and TV listings from the time when the shows were originally broadcast. IMDB lists the date as October 26, 1971, but I don't know what >that< is based on.

Added: Friday 14 September 2012 09:52:26 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Big H and Ringfire:

I just watched my first disappointment of season Four. "Air Cargo-Dial for Murder." Muddled to say the least. Some really good stuff, but it just seems like it was unfinished or something went wrong when they put it together. If they had fleshed it out more, it might have made a nice two parter, but as is, it was unsatisfying. I have to agree with Mr. Mike's analysis on this one.

Mike are you aware that the air dates that you have for each episode in your analysis for season Four are different from the air dates that are listed for each episode on the DVD cases. I just noticed that I have Air Cargo listed as being aired on 10/26/71, and you have it as 11/2/71?

Added: Friday 14 September 2012 07:46:40 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

The view out the window is Diamond Head. But, you know, so much in Hawai'i is so awesomely overwhelming that neither the eye nor the camera quite knows how to take it in. If you ever go over there, sit on the starboard side of the plane, so you can take in the full panorama during final descent into HNL: Honolulu Harbor, downtown Honolulu, Kewalo Basin, Ala Moana, the Ilikai (yes, you can see it from the airport), Waikiki, and Diamond Head. Then, take the hike up Diamond Head and see the panorama in reverse.

Added: Friday 14 September 2012 03:01:04 MST


Submitted by: kurtlyone
From: St. Petersburg, FL

The producers were always saving money, especially with car wrecks, switching cars out. I was shocked to see how blatent they were with switching out a 1970s model Lincoln with an early 1960s model going into the drink in Steal Now, Pay Later. They show the back of the newer model multiple times during the car chase, which differs considerbably from the styling of the car sinking into the harbor.

Added: Thursday 13 September 2012 19:39:00 MST


Submitted by: Will
From: Austin

You could be right about the condo, but that view out the window really looks like a painted backdrop to me.

Added: Thursday 13 September 2012 14:20:42 MST


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

COCOON will be shown September 21st and 24th at 12:00PM EST on METV...:)

Added: Thursday 13 September 2012 13:19:17 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

You're right, Will, except for Hennessey's apartment. That is an actual condominium. It is located at the far eastern end of Waikiki, near Diamond Head. I forget the name of it. We saw the exterior in "How to Steal a Masterpiece" (Season 7). The complex was featured on an episode of "House Hunters" about two years ago. So were the Kahala Beach Apartments, where Jack and Marie lived.

Added: Thursday 13 September 2012 11:17:11 MST


Submitted by: Will
From: Austin

I figured the following "Cocoon" interiors were filmed on a soundstage:

The cocoon itself
Five-O offices
Hennesy's apartment
"Intelligence" offices
The HPD holding cell
The inside of Jonathan Kaye's plane

To my eye, each of the above have that certain "soundstage" look and sound.

Added: Thursday 13 September 2012 10:59:35 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Actually, I think the tank scene and McGarrett's office are what they were talking about. The governor's office and the attorney general's office were filmed inside 'Iolani Palace. The exterior shots obviously were filmed on O'ahu.

As for the boiler room and oil storage areas aboard the Arcturus, I have no earthly idea. The boiler room looked like the real thing. As someone pointed out on this site a year or so ago, no one could actually crawl through the oil storage areas of a tanker and expect to live due to the toxic fumes. So, maybe that was a set with water dripping down to resemble dripping crude oil???

Added: Thursday 13 September 2012 07:19:28 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Thanks, Virginia and Mike.

Does that include the tank scene, though?

Added: Wednesday 12 September 2012 20:25:25 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

I have always liked Lee Meriwether, and I hope that she does appear as a guest on the new show. I see where she is 77 now, so I am not sure if she would do a recurring role or not. She could credibly play Danny's mother, as Scott Caan is 36. Barnaby Jones aired right after Five-O on CBS for several years in the 1970s, and I remember watching it quite a bit. Meriwether did a great job as Betty on that series, which was kind of the Matlock or Murder, She Wrote of its' era in that it featured an older leading character who solved mysteries (cases). It is often forgotten when discussions of great mystery/detective series come up, but it was one of my favorite private detective series along with Mannix and Cannon.

Added: Wednesday 12 September 2012 20:16:12 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Kam Fong said that the interiors were done in L.A. in an interview for public television (I have a copy of this).

Added: Wednesday 12 September 2012 18:52:01 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

I read that, too, Vrinda. Will have to go back and check articles from 1968 - 1973; it's somewhere in there. But, yes. Interior filming for the pilot was done in Los Angeles.

Added: Wednesday 12 September 2012 18:27:18 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Big H: "H501F touched on this briefly, but in any new project there are "ramp-up" costs which tend to get underestimated and underbudgeted. Also, I can't help but wonder if part of that $810K deficit included (or excluded) costs for Cocoon. That indoor pool scene where McG is floated into mindnumb submission is eerily Orwellian and if it (the set) was constructed from scratch, had to be quite expensive."

That might very well be the case, not knowing what the bill for location shooting will be, and having to move all that equipment from California to Hawaii. I read somewhere that interiors for "Cocoon" were shot in LA, but I can't find any source that verifies it.

Added: Wednesday 12 September 2012 17:23:49 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

"...for the first 13 episodes the production went over budget by $810,000."

H501F touched on this briefly, but in any new project there are "ramp-up" costs which tend to get underestimated and underbudgeted. Also, I can't help but wonder if part of that $810K deficit included (or excluded) costs for Cocoon. That indoor pool scene where McG is floated into mindnumb submission is eerily Orwellian and if it (the set) was constructed from scratch, had to be quite expensive.

Added: Wednesday 12 September 2012 15:22:14 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

It's about an hour's flight from O'ahu to Maui, departure gate to arrival gate. A helicopter doesn't fly as fast, but there's no taxiing time or gate time, so it might be still about an hour's flight.

Added: Wednesday 12 September 2012 09:26:39 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Ringfire,

I hear you on the change when "All in the Family" came on the air. I would agree with you on that.

In "Candy and a Gun....." they mention that the sniper's mother wouldn't fly to Diamond Head from Maui, they had to force her. When she gets to Diamond Head she makes a derogatory comment about the area. How long is the travel time between Maui and Diamond Head either by helicopter or plane which is the way she traveled?

Added: Wednesday 12 September 2012 08:02:16 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

I just came off a message board for Five-Faux, and a poster there said that Lee Meriwether was going to guest star in one episode. Lee's daughter said this on her Twitter page.

Everyone's taking guesses at what character she's going to play. Some think she might be Danno's mom, and some thought she would be too old to play his mom. My vote goes for her being the standard guest star who, in one minute of screen time, manages to dwarf all the regular castmembers.

Added: Tuesday 11 September 2012 18:15:31 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Hey Rainbow Warrior!

Yes, "Candy and a Gun" is a fantastic episode - one of my favorites!! A top 10 episode for sure. I'd say a top 5! As you said, to take a simple location like a mountainside bunker and to weave a cinematic tale of suspense and action around it is something the old Five-0 did best! Ditto "The Box" and "King of the Hill".

"The Director of Photography put you right on that mountain, I love this episode."

Indeed! In fact it's probably the best photographed episode of the entire series! The whole thing takes place outdoors on the slopes of Diamond Head overlooking the crystal blue waters of the Pacific and the white surf moving towards the shore. Beautiful! And no need for nauseating jump cuts, quick cuts, piss-tinted lenses, and constant loud droning noise.

"didn't you suggest that was because Five-O was moved from it's 10 pm Wednesday slot to Tuesday at 9 PM against tougher competition like the "Network Movie of the Night." If that was the case, then the heavier sleaze content in season four may have been to attract eyeballs."

No, I never suggested this. All I know about the move is that they put MANNIX in Five-0's spot and as a result MANNIX's ratings soared while Five-0's dropped a little. But Five-0 was back at the top again (in 3rd place) the following season. So all was well with the world again. ;)

What I have suggested in the past is that because TV changed so drastically when ALL IN THE FAMILY debuted on CBS in January of 1971 it is almost certainly the reason why shows all of a sudden became more edgy. Not just Five-0. This change affected all shows. From dramas to comedies. Everything. Heck, cinema changed a great deal too from the 60s to the 70s. It wasn't until the late 70s when TV execs began to rein in the edginess in favor of light-hearted entertainment. Hence turning McGarrett into Jessica Fletcher. ALL IN THE FAMILY was the real reason for the edginess, not because Five-0 was pitted against a Movie of the Week. Keep in mind that the edginess affected all shows. Not just Five-0.

Added: Tuesday 11 September 2012 15:12:01 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Thank you for that superb review of "Goodbye, Paradise," H50 1.0,

Here is a website with some information on the history of the Pantheon, but doesn't tell when it closed down:

http://bit.ly/RD0FoA

Added: Tuesday 11 September 2012 08:19:57 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

A couple of weeks ago, Mike told us about "Goodbye Paradise," a movie that was made in 1991 and starred a half-dozen Five-0 veterans. The star and executive producer was Joe Moore (according to the movie credits, but not the box or IMDb). Well, I ordered it, and it is FANTASTIC! (Yes, I'm yelling from the rooftop.) Here is most of what I wrote about it on MofH50:

From downtown Honolulu comes "Goodbye Paradise". This 1991 independent film is available only in VHS copy. I think it should be re-released on DVD, but then, I also want to know why it didn’t win awards. It truly is of award-winning quality.

Correct me, if I'm wrong, but I would almost state point blank that this movie had to have been based on the closure of the Pantheon Bar on Nu'uanu Street. Now closed and boarded up, it was Honolulu's oldest bar and a favorite with everyone from the sailors who dropped anchor in Honolulu Harbor to King David Kalakaua. It was founded in 1883, although the current building was not built until 1911. Now structurally exhausted, the lots under it and the building next door are to be used for the expansion of the Hawai'i Theatre. Some people want to retain the facade for its historical value. I was unable to find out when the Pantheon closed. I do know that it appeared in both "Hawaii Five-0" and "Magnum, PI".

But I digress...

I'll admit I only bought "Goodbye Paradise" because many of the actors are former "Hawaii Five-0" cast members: Joe Moore, Elissa Dulce, James Hong, Danny Kamekona, Dennis Chun, and even the voice of Kam Fong Chun (our own Chin Ho). Did I ever get more than I had expected!

It's not often that a movie captivates me, but this one did. It made me cry. Why? Because it is true to life. In essence, a Chinatown bar is closing after being in business some sixty years. Its owner has died, and the heirs want to build it out as an upscale restaurant and art gallery. They claim to want to clean up Chinatown, but their greedy Yuppie ways tell us their motives are anything but philanthropic.

As we sit in on the bar’s last night of business, we see that its manager, Joe Martin (Joe Moore) cares about the little people. He has Cook (James Hong) prepare sandwiches for a homeless man, who would have died of pneumonia the year before if Joe had not taken him to the hospital at his own expense. He allows sisters to live in an upstairs apartment for negligible rents. The same for an elderly acupuncturist (Kwan Hi Lim). Now, there will be no sandwiches and no cheap rent. The homeless man can’t live with the prospects of having no one to help him and takes his own life. Both Joe and Cook slip money under the door of the sisters’ apartment to help them relocate.

We all know that "progress" is a nebulous term. That is, what is progress for one person is destruction for another. But this movie goes beyond the reality that the elderly will be put out in the streets. It shows the transition from traditional values to contemporary ones. Thus, it comes as no surprise when a fight breaks out when the new generation interferes. As stated by Lt. Nomura (Danny Kamekona), in traditional times, no guns or knives or drugs would have been found at the Paradise Bar. Before, those who frequented the Paradise Bar, despite coming from all different backgrounds, not only coexisted peacefully; they became friends.

Bar manager Joe Martin learns that moving forward with the upscale venture is not for him. He does care about people, and he does not want to stop caring about them. He will move on to something new. Waitress Billie Keale (Elissa Dulce) will be there to help him do it.

So, what about it, folks? How about re-releasing this on DVD -- with closed captioning, please. One won't want to miss a single line of dialogue. It tells the tale.

Written by Dennis Christianson and Susan Killen

Produced and Directed by Dennis Christianson and Tim Savage

Production Companies: Mixed Media Production / Latitude 20 Pictures / Axelia International Pictures

Added: Tuesday 11 September 2012 07:41:29 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Another factor to the $810,000 overage was the need to import everything from crew to trucks to cameras and lighting. I read how many shipments they made but don't remember now. It was a LOT to ship. Tonnage, too, was great.

Added: Monday 10 September 2012 16:05:10 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Maxine: "Speaking of the first season, one little factoid from the Jack Lord article Vrinda linked to may explain why that season is so good - for the first 13 episodes the production went over budget by $810,000. Would they (whoever they are) even have cared enough to spend that much during the later seasons of the show?"

Though the large budget provided for more lavish shows in the first half of the season, those episodes were also not getting good ratings. Only when they moved it to a different timeslot did the ratings pick up. The combination of going over budget and the low ratings would spell disaster for any show, regardless of the quality of those episodes. If not for Michael Dann changing the show's timeslot, and if they continued going over budget to film it, then the show would have been canceled in an instant.

I think the lack of a decent studio, having to film more scenes outdoors, being dependent on sunny weather in order to do it, and the lack of a trained crew contributed to the excess $810,000 being spent, and explains why Jack was so strict about people doing their jobs, doing them on time, and doing them well, plus not wanting anyone to make mistakes so they wouldn't have to go into overtime. It was because of that scenario that they were going over budget. TV networks like to save as much money as they can, so spending lavishly on a show is not going to be something they would do on purpose, but more because they may have no other recourse and the quality of the show will suffer as a result. Maybe the excess money was spent because they had to do more location shooting to make up for not having a decent studio to work out of. Fort Ruger was not always accommodating.

Added: Monday 10 September 2012 15:34:22 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

I am happy to discuss minutiae regarding old or new five oh. When conjecture and wild assumptions get so far afield it turns to regarding vaporous inconsequential things at length, I don't understand that at all and am happy to try to steer the discussions toward substantial discourse. Nothing wrong with that unless someone is trying to find something wrong with everything. Which some do.

Added: Monday 10 September 2012 12:19:07 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

H50 Forever,

You're a terrific poster on this board, and contribute alot of great insight and you have a nice life story. I know you love Kimo, but I ignore that, and chalk that up to we agree to disagree.

I like reading your posts, you have much to offer here, and you're respectful to everyone.

Added: Monday 10 September 2012 08:47:49 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Rainbow, you stop talking about me that way. :D

Added: Monday 10 September 2012 08:28:15 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Now, to three posters who actually contribute a great deal to this board in a CONSTRUCTIVE way, filled with great insight, good manners, and style WITHOUT seeking to try and get attention.

Big H, Big Chicken, Ringfire,

Big H, I can see you why you love season four. I officially fell in love with season four while watching "....and I want some Candy and a Gun that shoots." I loved this show, it's thrilling, and devasting all in one. I saw this once back in the 1980's and forgot most of it except for images of all the cops by the side of the mountain AND along the highway. To me, it's my favorite of the first three seasons and so far into four and here's why. I thought Five-O was the master of what I call "set-piece" episodes meaning shows that were set in one single location for the majority of the show and they spun great drama and action out of them. For example shows like "The Box", "King of the Hill", and "I want some Candy......" They took simple stories for the most part and made great episodes out of them, and Vrinda you'll appreciate this. Today's shows the writers and producers try so hard to make complicated storylines with a million locations and confusing plot lines, and the result is less than stellar. In "Candy" much of the show was cops going up a mountain overlooked by a WWII bunker. You have to admire the simplicity. The Director of Photography put you right on that mountain, I love this episode.

Big Chicken,

I thought of you in "Two Doves and Mr. Heron" when Mcg says to John Ritter "There better not be any money in that backpack, baby, or you'll be doing twenty years you dig?"

I didn't expect much out of this show, but the great acting by Morrow and Ritter, and the moment when Ritter leaves his girlfriend at the airport to die, turned this into a terrific story. Good story.

Ringfire,

Several have commented that they thought season four was sleazy, but correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you suggest that was because Five-O was moved from it's 10 pm Wednesday slot to Tuesday at 9 PM against tougher competition like the "Network Movie of the Night." If that was the case, then the heavier sleaze content in season four may have been to attract eyeballs.

Added: Monday 10 September 2012 08:03:16 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

"Next"

Yes, Kimo Next!....as in exit stage left will you please.

Sorry Glenn, keep asking good questions, unfortunately we have someone on here who would like be someone in life one day, although that will never happen, so he trolls Mr. Mike's board.

Added: Monday 10 September 2012 06:23:36 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

"I've wondered if that was due to the tourist peak season in Hawaii... if this has anything to do with the copyright dates"
Nothing is related to the "tourist peak season". Nothing is related to the copyright dates. (Whew...) Next!

Added: Monday 10 September 2012 01:46:06 MST


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

Yes, I forgot about the season one 1968 copyright on all episodes - METV has been showing season seven episodes and that's why those shows came to mind.

Also, THE WILD WILD WEST Season four (1968-1969) did have a 1968 copyright date on all shows for that season.

Oh well, no big deal - just an observation and that's just what CBS did back then...:)

Added: Sunday 09 September 2012 14:47:56 MST


Submitted by: Aloysius
From: Mainland

The discussion about the copyright year reminds me of something unusual I've noticed about the original Five-O's shooting schedule. Most shows, at least now, shoot in a July through March/April time frame. The original Five-O apparently shot from April/May through December. I've wondered if that was due to the tourist peak season in Hawaii which I understand runs from the holidays through April. Hope I'm not covering old territory. I don't know if this has anything to do with the copyright dates. It is definitely the reason the shooting order and the air date order sometimes differed so much. Most shows don't have that much slack between shooting and airing an episode.

Added: Sunday 09 September 2012 14:04:24 MST


Submitted by: Maxine
From: Brooklyn

Speaking of the first season, one little factoid from the Jack Lord article Vrinda linked to may explain why that season is so good - for the first 13 episodes the production went over budget by $810,000. Would they (whoever they are) even have cared enough to spend that much during the later seasons of the show?

Without rating each episode systematically like Mike, my take on the quality arc of the show would be, Seasons 1 to 4 indistinguishably great (though it's interesting people say that Season 4 is a little sleazier...). Seasons 5 and 6, writing is still strong but chemistry a bit off due to the absence of Kono. Season 7 is when I really notice a drop-off, and Season 8 is the only one of the first 9 I don't bother to own the DVDS of. Season 9 is an anomaly - it feels much fresher than 7 and 8, so I rank it higher, in agreement with ringfire. And I'm pretty much in accord with everyone about Seasons 10 to 12, although I think the first part of Season 12 when William Smith is still bothering to act far outshines the subsequent part.

Added: Sunday 09 September 2012 10:01:03 MST


Submitted by: Stephen
From: New Jersey

All of the first season of Hawaii Five-O were copyrighted 1968. Even though they were still filming the show into January 1969. Also, all the 1968-1969 season shows of Gunsmoke and The Wild Wild West which were produced by CBS were copyrighted 1968 as well.

Added: Sunday 09 September 2012 01:11:28 MST


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

Well, I still think it is strange that the Producers only did the one "1974" copyright date for season seven and not for any other season...:)

Added: Saturday 08 September 2012 16:52:26 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

"the copyright date at the end of every "Season Seven" episode read, "1974", even though it was the "1974-1975" TV season?
Who knows..." All those multitudes familiar with copyright knows. That is an irrelevancy: Copyright date implies "We own it. Don't steal it" not; "This was created on this exact date"

Added: Saturday 08 September 2012 11:33:21 MST


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

Did anyone ever notice that at the end credits/theme music of the old FIVE-0, the copyright date at the end of every "Season Seven" episode read, "1974", even though it was the "1974-1975" TV season?

Could they have started filming early and filmed all the episodes for that season in 1974? Who knows...I just thought I'd throw that out here...:)

Added: Friday 07 September 2012 18:52:38 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Ringfire, thank you. I've got more of them.

Added: Friday 07 September 2012 16:46:45 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

read in the new entertainment weekly fall tv preview that terrence howard will guest as well as a possible flashback show with danno's roots in NJ.

so, they will shoot there? or perhaps in a backlot in hollywood playing NJ?

Added: Friday 07 September 2012 14:42:20 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Mr. Mike -- that's approximately how I would rank the seasons of the old show. 1-6 are extremely difficult to rank but it would probably go something like 1, 3, 5, 6, 2, 4 (similar to yours) and then 9, 7, 8. Then the last three seasons would just follow their logical progression - 10, 11, 12. I'm not convinced that 11 was better than 10 (although "The Skyline Killer" was better than any episode in season 10) - I guess I'd give 10 a slight edge because we still had Chin with us. And McG's leisure suits had not reared their ugly heads yet.

Vrinda - great article! Interesting read.

Added: Friday 07 September 2012 13:16:26 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Thanks for the spreadsheet, Mike.

Despite shows from Seasons 10-12 of the new show being rated the same as episodes from Seasons 1-2 of the new show [This is not correct ... see below. -- MQ], there are a lot of elements in the new show that make those episodes far less in quality - the loud background music, color-tinting, and flash cuts, shaky camera angles, semi-circular camera moves, story line with plot holes, and the overuse of Wo Fat. Seeing how Season 2 played out, the possibilities for Season 3 look endless, but not in a positive way.

On another note, and partially to test this link-shortening method, here is an article from 1980 where Jack talks about his years on Hawaii Five-O. It's from The Sumter Daily Intern, August 1, 1980:

bit.ly/Q9AiCP

Added: Friday 07 September 2012 10:55:52 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Uh, not really. The average of the three "crappy" seasons, 10-12, is 2.15, which is a lot lower than the average of the two new seasons, which is 2.71. Still, the average of the new shows is still lower than any of the individual scores for the "good" seasons (1-9, the lowest is 2.870 for season 9) as well as the average score for the "good" seasons, which is a surprising 3.00.

That episode you are referring to is ”Ka Iwi Kapu” (Sacred Bones), which I really hated the first time I saw it. The second time around it was less offensive. It was very "Hawaiian," as was Kupale (Defender), originally shown Feb. 20th. That was the episode where Al Harrington appeared as Mamo, along with a hundred or so beefy Hawaiian warriors who were re-enacting a battle.

Added: Friday 07 September 2012 10.45:58 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Wow! Those are harsh scores! Interesting that you rate the new show pretty much in the same ballpark as Seasons 10-12 of the old show. Looks like the new show folks have a lot of hard work ahead of them.

Only one episode of the new show stands out in my mind; i.e., I find myself thinking about it. It is the episode that aired this week. I think it goes to the Hawaiian culture and the old-show-like quality of "Just who's buried in that casket, anyway?". Then, the squabbling between AOL and SC was at a minimum; just one cargument.

Would someone tell me how AOL manages to avoid running off the road or having a head-on collision when he spends so much time looking at SC. Those are very narrow, winding roads.

Added: Friday 07 September 2012 10:37:09 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I have made an Excel-like spreadsheet which shows my ratings for all the seasons (including the new shows) here:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/analysis-sept2012.pdf

The results may be disturbing to some. But they did not change much from when Jeff did a similar anal-ysis a couple of years ago. The only difference was seasons 7 and 8 changing position in the list.

Some of the two-part shows are listed as two separate episodes, so the question is whether each of these should be rated separately, i.e., part one is 4, part two is 3.5 or whatever (I do not do this, my rating is the same for both parts).

My top five seasons are as follows (as per the link above):

1, 3, 6, 5, 2.

Added: Friday 07 September 2012 08:11:18 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Same place I got the info about the Big Happy Family remake... :!thinking:

Added: Thursday 06 September 2012 21:22:33 MST


Submitted by: Joekido


From: You wrote this: "Hookman will also be remade. A series of unexplained shootings of retired men and women leads to the usual red herrings, but finally the connection is revealed: they were all executives of a pharmaceutical company which was responsible for medication given to pregnant women 50 years before which resulted in the women's children being born with deformed hands and legs (contemporary relevance to Thalidomide, obviously). The lead will be played by George Clooney in a very special guest appearance. His shrivelled arms will be created with CGI. Title of episode, translated into Hawaiian: Stumped."

So I was wondering where you get this information

Added: Thursday 06 September 2012 19:44:46 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

If Jack was using cue cards, it could not have been all of, or a majority of the time. He'd have have been looking in a certain direction every time, over the head of the person to whom he is speaking, in order for it to be that obvious. They'd also have to film the shots where he's speaking with just him and not the person to whom he is speaking standing in front of him. There were times when he'd be talking to another actor standing alongside him in a scene, and he'd have to look directly into that person's face when speaking to them, so it would have been impossible to be looking at a cue card that's somewhere else.

A teacher of mine lived in Hawaii for a time, and knew some people who were extras on the show or worked off screen. They told her that some actors, who only had one line to remember, were reading off of cue cards. How stupid can they be that they cannot memorize one line?

Added: Thursday 06 September 2012 18:11:34 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I don't know what the big deal with cue cards is, either. Marlon Brando, generally regarded as "one of the greatest actors of all time," used them ... though this was towards the later part of his career. Brando even used some kind of a hearing aid-like gizmo where a person would feed him the lines.

Added: Thursday 06 September 2012 17:17:40 MST


Submitted by: Will
From: Austin, TX

Re: cue cards

Yeah, it's pretty obvious. But not uncommon. Jack Klugman used them on "Quincy" and Eddie Albert used a prompter on "Green Acres.". Jack Webb was notorious for insisting his actors read their lines (Barry "Greg Brady" Williams once said he was read the riot act by Webb when Webb realized that Williams has memorized his lines for an episode of the '60's "Dragnet.").

Added: Thursday 06 September 2012 17:13:39 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Season 10 offered both good episodes and good acting. Was it the same as in the earlier seasons? No, but the times, issues, and attitudes were different. The viewers would not have accepted a show that was done the same way as it was in 1968. When Five-0 began, a quick pace was expected. The detectives ran up and down the steps two at a time, and McGarrett flipped every other villain over his shoulder. There was a certain Batman quality in how McGarrett and Danno ran through the office. By 1977-1978, television was becoming more introspective. Dallas, Dynasty, Falcon Crest... Those were the shows of that era.

Added: Thursday 06 September 2012 16:26:14 MST


Submitted by: Tony
From: SF

Season 10. Oh boy what a mess. It is as if they actors, writers, directors) were all on valium. The pace is soooo slow, the actors look like they are moving in slo mo.

Anyone notice that Lord is blatantly and obviously reading all his lines from Q cards?

No wonder CBS didn't bother to remaster this season.

Luckily things pick up a bit in season 11.

Added: Thursday 06 September 2012 15:09:06 MST


Submitted by: Joekido


From: Where did you get that information from Mr. Mike? [??? Please be more specific, I don't know what you are referring to. - MQ]

Added: Thursday 06 September 2012 13:59:39 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

So Wo Fat escapes again? Wonders never cease. :!thinking:

Now's the time to put a revolving door on the Haleiwa State Prison. Wo Fat's looking to take Houdini's place.

Added: Wednesday 05 September 2012 16:45:35 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

It works, but it's not especially revealing. Half of it summarizes what happened in the last episode of Season 2. The introduction to Season 3 looks like more of the same with two notable features. First, Mrs. McGarrett is being played by Christine Lahti. Second, they blocked off the south side of Diamond Head Road for filming. Just when the residents thought Five-0 had gone away, allowing them to reclaim their streets.

Added: Wednesday 05 September 2012 16:22:50 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

'Explosive' season 3 premiere trailer (that's what CBS calls it): http://bit.ly/Rapp7s I can't see it (I'm in Cana-duh!!), does it work?!?

Added: Wednesday 05 September 2012 16:10:06 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Now, that sounds like a good show! Can't wait to see it.

Added: Wednesday 05 September 2012 15:18:35 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Hookman will also be remade. A series of unexplained shootings of retired men and women leads to the usual red herrings, but finally the connection is revealed: they were all executives of a pharmaceutical company which was responsible for medication given to pregnant women 50 years before which resulted in the women's children being born with deformed hands and legs (contemporary relevance to Thalidomide, obviously). The lead will be played by George Clooney in a very special guest appearance. His shrivelled arms will be created with CGI. Title of episode, translated into Hawaiian: Stumped. ;)

Added: Wednesday 05 September 2012 14:52:09 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Mike, if they use the family from that trailer-trash show, then the new show will officially have had its "Jump the Shark" moment. Maybe that shark can eat up that family! :!devil:

Added: Wednesday 05 September 2012 12:38:22 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

I've never seen the show you mentioned, but if its title is any indication, that may be a blessing. Admittedly, the characters on the original episode were as awful as they come, but I'd still hate to see a remake of it done in a parodied fashion. When there are so many excellent episodes to choose from, why did the remake people choose this one? How about a remake of "Nine Dragons," reflecting on Hong Kong as a Chinese city. Would the assistance and outcome have been the same? Or a post-cold war version of "The Ninety-Second War".

Added: Wednesday 05 September 2012 11:59:56 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Someone from the new show sent me a copy of a secret memo from Lenkov. Looks like the complaining about Wo Fat wearing out his welcome (especially around here) has hit home, with the result that they are going to base more of the third season shows on some of the best classic episodes. For example, One Big Happy Family is being "rebooted," with the Southern-fried white trash family being played by the cast of Here Comes Honey Boo Boo... ;)

Added: Wednesday 05 September 2012 07:51:50 MST


Submitted by: Will
From: Austin, TX

Here's a little post about Maggi Parker, who played May in season one of the original series:

http://tinyurl.com/ccng52j

Added: Tuesday 04 September 2012 15:31:10 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

They showed the episode last night where we get to see a bit of the Kahala Beach Apartments, where Jack and Marie Lord lived. The apartment shown last night was a two-bedroom unit as evidenced by the bit of floor plan that was shown. Jack and Marie's unit had three bedrooms. In the episode, the unit appeared smaller than it does in "real life". I wished the camera had pulled back to give a wider view, for the dimensions are actually quite generous; the living room actually measures 24'3" x 16'0".

Added: Tuesday 04 September 2012 11:07:26 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Hi, Joe,

Welcome, and there are Hawaiians on the new show, but they're not in large roles - except Taylor Wily (Kamekona the shrimp guy) and Teilor Grubbs (Danno's daughter). I don't think Teilor is Hawaiian ethnically, though, but she was born and raised in Honolulu. There is also Dennis Chum, Kam Fong's son, who plays Duke Lukela, but he only averages about one thirty-second scene per episode, if he is lucky.

Added: Tuesday 04 September 2012 08:20:48 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

Rainbow Warrior writes: "I could say something stronger in response to Barbara's post below, but because it is her, this is all I will say." Aww thanks for the restraint, Rainbow!

And just to clarify, my reference to "old timers" was meant in a respectful, affectionate way. By "old timers" I was referring to all those folks who have been on here for a while and are very knowledgeable about the old series. I watched and enjoyed all 12 seasons when they originally aired and have watched some on DVD. But I certainly don't have the detailed insight into these programs as some of the veterans of this site do. That's mainly why I come here to read but don't usually post about the original series. And I also like the back and forth that some of these "old timers" engage in. Quite funny at times. When I do post, it's usually about the new series and it's basically just to give information that some of the "newcomers" might like to have. So 'nuff said. Have a good day, Rainbow!

Added: Monday 03 September 2012 08:22:57 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

"no native Hawaiians are seen"?

You must be kidding, right?

Added: Monday 03 September 2012 04:12:34 MST


Submitted by: Joekido
From: Colorado

I happen to like the original series too. I wanted to like the new series because of it's updated setting. However for 2 seasons the new show did not really really live up the standerd of the old show. No elements that made the original series good is found, and no native Hawaiians are seen. In fact I would personally put the original series over this

Added: Monday 03 September 2012 00:14:00 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Mike, I know who that woman was to whom you're referring, but I didn't say it was an entire group of people. There was a man from San Diego who kept going on about how wonderful the new show was, how there was better acting on the new show in the first four episodes than in the first four episodes of the original, and then later admitted it was because Chin and Kono got more to do.

I was also referring to what I called "one-post wonder" - people who came on here, typed a single post each criticizing the original, and then disappeared. One guy said the ratings for the new show should "trump the original" and that as long as the new show didn't have Jack Lord's "scene stealing and mugging" it should be watchable. Ringfire and Steve told him off, and if I had seen that post at that time, I would have, too.

There was also a woman (not the woman you referred to earlier), who made some comment about the original show being boring. I saw her post then and told her off. That was the first post I made on here. If there was some ambiguity in my original post, I apologize, but I didn't mean to say that there was a cadre of cheerleaders for the new show populating this guestbook and bashing the original.

I read that woman's posts (the one you blocked) and I wondered what took you so long. I would have booted her out of here sooner. Given that she was praising the new show and Alex in particular before it even aired, I thought she was some PR woman for CBS or Peter Lenkov.

Added: Sunday 02 September 2012 20:49:14 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

Sure will, H50 1.0 FOREVER! We will all toast you and all old timers and new timers as well. Everyone welcome in our clique!

Added: Sunday 02 September 2012 20:31:34 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

I think meeting in Hawai'i is a wonderful idea. Maybe, one day, I can join in the fun. It's definitely on my to-do list. Kimo, tell Nadja "Hi!" for me, will you. Aloha!

Added: Sunday 02 September 2012 17:45:00 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Mike, my understanding is that Mongoose Manor was an old Navy quonset hut near Pearl. Being so close to the airport, the noise of planes taking off forced them to stop filming until they passed. If I am mistaken about this, then it was the second studio, also rented space. It was not the new facility at 18th Street and Diamond Head Road. The new facility is what the state operates as the Hawaii Film Studio.

There's an interesting tale about a frog that happened onto the set. It was sitting motionless upon a bookshelf. Everyone assumed it was a bookend. Then, as filming ended, the frog jumped down and hopped away.

Added: Sunday 02 September 2012 13:52:20 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

That was strong enough, RW.

The separation between "cliques" is not such a wide chasm as one would make it to appear.We all get along unless some prefer to not get along.

Life is too short.

Added: Sunday 02 September 2012 13:27:16 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

I could say something stronger in response to Barbara's post below, but because it is her, this is all I will say. I found that the "old timers" that she likes so much were a clique little group who loved this site as long as they were preaching to their small little choir and their opinions were not challenged by facts that showed their opinions to be totally off base, and when that happened and they couldn't dominate this site with their rhetoric, they left because this wasn't their personal little playground anymore. Others like Kimo were paper bullies who loved to humilate other posters on this site but fled when they had the tables turned on them, and couldn't handle it. Many of the "old timers" wanted their opinions to be treated like it was gospel, and when the "new comers" challenged their little clique, they couldn't back up their opinions with solid facts so they fled, so the like minds who like to be believe in falsehoods could message their egos with others.

I like Vrinda and all the "newcomers" as she and they are very intelligent posters with good taste and manners, and have a wealth of facts to back up their opinions without resorting to propaganda. When all the "newcomers" came on board, all opinions were welcome as long as they were backed up by facts and solid judgement, and not hysterical opinion. Under the "oldtimers" it was their little clique and they didn't want anyone to enter their little club. Tough.

Many of us only have time to come on this site once or twice a day to endulge a small hobby, we don't have time to meet up in Hawaii every year with the others to schmooze in our little club "old timers"

Added: Sunday 02 September 2012 11:47:27 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Vrinda, I disagree with you that there was some kind of cabal posting positively about the new show prior to and during its first season. There was primarily one individual who was the number one cheerleader for the new show, and its star Alex O'Loughlin in particular. This person got all huffy when I started to pick apart her initial comments but later ingratiated herself with me, which I regretted, because this was just a way of promoting her own interests. When this person later attacked one of the posters who was a long-time member of the old Five-O "community," I had enough and cut off her access. Aside from a couple of e-mails to me after this looking to re-establish contact (which I ignored), she has never bothered to appear here again.

Added: Sunday 02 September 2012 11:30:39 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

H50, isn't Mongoose Manor what is referred to here:

Hawaii has only one true soundstage — the state-owned facility at Diamond Head. It’s leased to Sony Pictures Television, which is shooting a TV show for ABC called "Last Resort.”

Added: Sunday 02 September 2012 11:23:40 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Haven't we read this story (or one like it) before? There's always Mongoose Manor, if they're interested in it.

Added: Sunday 02 September 2012 11:19:28 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Not good news for Five-0 production team:

http://www.50undercover.com/2012/09/02/will-hawaii-lose-five-0/

Added: Sunday 02 September 2012 11:13:14 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

Kimo writes: "It is pretty self evident.....The praising of the new show is a perspective not wanted here..... So, just as with the aforementioned RG Armstrong, they may not be silent, they have gone unnoticed because they are just not posting here..."

I have to agree. I love the old series which is why I came here in the first place. And I happen to like the new series as well. When the new series started 2 years ago, I always felt like I had to apologize for liking it. People were jumping all over each other at the drop of a hat. And yes, that has died down because people who like the new series simply got tired of it. Do I still come to this site? Absolutely. Nearly every day. And every once in a blue moon I will post something. I like reading what some of my favorite "old-timers" have to post.

Now in defense of Mr. Mike and his site (not that he needs defending), I have read a lot of criticism about the new series from him but a lot of what he posts is pretty fair because he is posting objectively and not posting from an emotional, knee-jerk reaction as some do. And if you look at the comparisons of his review for the new series, he actually does give some positive feedback as well as negative. But when you look back at his reviews from the original series, he was pretty hard on them, too, at times.

BTW, Kimo....Had to definitely cancel my plans to come to Hawaii next week. Schedules simply weren't working out for me and my daughters and we'll miss SOTB and seeing my new Ohana from last year. Will be there sometime next year for sure. Keep you posted. Still want to meet Nadja.

Added: Sunday 02 September 2012 08:39:29 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Check the archives, Tony. There were people praising the new show to the sky, among them some one-post wonders coming on here to criticize Jack and some people who thought the new characters having back stories was equivalent to great acting.

Added: Saturday 01 September 2012 16:39:28 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

Guys i tried to find a link. i even went to WABC NY channel 7 online to search for the 30 sec spot showing the train and the 666 Park Ave promo. sad to report i cannot find it. but i do take that train almost daily and its there. there is another shuttle train promoting the upcoming giants=cowboys game wednesday nite.

those of who living in nyc or plan to come to nyc in the next few days , check it on the grand central shuttle in 42nd st times square station. or in the grand central train station. there are 3 trains of that shuttle running. keep your eyes open.

Added: Saturday 01 September 2012 15:18:12 MST


Submitted by: Tony
From: SF

LOL hard to believe people "lauded" the redux h5 o, but then it is obvious that one can put just about anything on TV today and sure enough there will be people watching and praising even if it is dog doo doo.

Guess I am not an impartial observer though, I cannot watch anything on the networks or on basic cable. The only shows I can watch are from the premium channels with the exception of Breaking Bad.

Added: Saturday 01 September 2012 15:11:57 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

"Those people who lauded this new version seem to have gone silent. I wonder why"
It is pretty self evident; The Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum is for praising the original H50, and dissing the H50 redux. This is what is has become. The praising of the new show is a perspective not wanted here. Those who want to laud the new show probably congregate elsewhere with other like minds, rather than here where speaking positive about the new H50 has no place and is not welcome. So, just as with the aforementioned RG Armstrong, they may not be silent, they have gone unnoticed because they are just not posting here...

Added: Saturday 01 September 2012 11:27:14 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

Funny thing - I was listening to a legal advice radio program and a woman named Hermey? Hermay? Herme? ...not sure of the spelling ...calls in and says that years ago she wrote the lyrics to the song YOU CAN COUNT ON ME recorded by Sammy Davis Jr to the tune of the Hawaii Five-O theme. She had forgotten about it until some friends told her it's on YouTube. So now she's traced ownership from Columbia originally, then to Sony, and now EMI in an effort to get paid for her lyrics. She claims she has never received any money. The host/lawyer advised that they probably sold 4 copies and it would cost more in legal fees than she would receive in royalties.

Added: Saturday 01 September 2012 09:51:54 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

"Spot on Vrinda. The remake really stinks IMO. Everything about it stinks. I knew when I heard the watered down computerized theme song that we were in for trouble.

Too bad they couldn't have just remade some of the episodes and just updated them for today's audiences."

Thank you, Tony. The sad part is, the way they did the new show was labeled as a way of modernizing the show, according to Lenkov and critics (whose word you can't trust anyway). They modernized it in the most stereotypical, asinine, shallow manner possible. Those people who lauded this new version when it began, posting its praises all over this guestbook back in 2010, seem to have gone silent. I wonder why...

:!thinking:

Added: Saturday 01 September 2012 08:58:25 MST


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