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Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Agree with Fred and Ringfire. Tsunami is one of the best Season 10 episodes. The Brain Trust were brilliant criminals and had nearly a perfect plan. Kenji's desire to extricate himself from the plan and go to Five-O ended in his shooting death. Right on the HFO steps! I couldn't understand why McG didn't bring the Dr. to the Brain Trust house for a voice recognition. His glasses were broken but he heard them converse for a few hours. The thrill crazy female shooter added to the greatness of the Tsunami episode. I liked the diamond heist scene. It was authentic and all of the actors played their parts well. They hid the diamonds and necklaces in the aquarium. Too bad the gunshot pierced it causing the water to spill out. The only slight blemish is that they mostly focused on The Brain Trust. I wished there were more suspects like a radical group or jewel thief. I'd give Tsunami at least 5 stars out of 6. JC

Added: October 31 2017 09:36:55 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Fred, no need to worry. "No Blue Skies" is nowhere near the series worst :). Itís only the worst from season 1, which was a pretty spectacular debut season! "Up the Rebels" is not a great episode but it does have the great Stephen Boyd who really makes the episode work. Heís really the only thing that makes the episode interesting. Love his Irish accent! The rest of the episode is pretty average, as is most of season 10. But it also has a cool Morton Stevens score, particularly that catchy tune that plays at the end when McGarrett is chasing Costiganís boat over the bridge. Itís used a few more times over the course of season 10. Love that piece!

John, "Man on the Moon" is pretty average. The washed up astronaut was a bit of a sap but Devlin (devil?) was pretty evil and oily. I liked the old rancher (Kwan Hi Lim) and was sad when he died (wasnít his body dragged behind a horse or something?) and Christina Hart was a hottie (she was really hot in this one THREEíS COMPANY episode that I remember :!inlove: ). But overall itís just not a particularly gripping or interesting episode. Just average season 10. One thing I do enjoy about it is that it opens on the Hyatt Regency Waikiki hotel (where the reporter is staying) and immediately to the right is a smaller hotel (the Aston Waikiki Beachside) which is where I stayed during my 2008 visit :) The Hyatt Regency was fairly new at the time in 1977 when this episode aired. Just a few seasons earlier youíll see that itís not there. When you see McGarrett driving down Kalakaua Ave. in "Cocoon" in 1968 that hotel is not there. All the hotels then were fairly small, including the Beachside (where I stayed) which you can see in that scene in "Cocoon".

Added: October 31 2017 07:19:48 PM


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Shake Hands With The Man On The Moon Season 10 Review. I liked this episode more and more after each viewing. It's one of the few episodes that I've never seen until last year. It's an interesting episode as it deals with a famous astronaut Commander Royce who flew on 1 of the Apollo missions 10 years before. He's now scraping out a living working for Devlin a shady land developer. Devlin's new project Moonstone utilizes Royce as a spokesman. Royce wears his space suit and shakes hands with potential buyers and legitimizes the operation. Unknown to Royce, Devlin has an investigative reporter eliminated who was trying to expose his operation around the U.S. Royce develops a friendship with an old rancher Ramos whose land Devlin wants in furthering the Moonstone developments. Devlin has his goons kill Ramos when he refuses to sell the property. McGarrett is interested in Royce too. He might be the 1 person close enough to Devlin to bring down this business. McG tears into the Commander a few times about what happened to this Hero. The Commander becomes a loose end when he has a blackmail tape of Devlin's involvement in the killings of the reporter and Ramos. The Commander regains some honor facing Devlin and handing McG the tape instead of shooting Devlin in the pool. It would have been cool to see Royce as a member of Hawaii Five-O. I think McG was a little too judgmental of Royce. Today, you see plenty of celebrities hock products and things. Testimonials I guess. I thought the space assistants with Royce were very beautiful. I'd give Shake Hands With The Man On The Moon a solid 4.5 out of 6 star. What about you? JC

Added: October 31 2017 03:58:59 PM


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth

First off, I'd like to express a sign of relief that Ringfire proclaimed a show other than No Blue Skies as the worst of the series. :)

Second, season 10 is pretty bad. I'm listing my top 10, but they would be pretty low in any of the preceding seasons and should be more appropriately listed as a 10 way tie for 10th, but I decided to break it down anyway. :)

My Season 10's top 10:

1 - A Death in the Family
2 - Tsunami
3 - Deep Cover
4 - The Friends of Joey Kalima
5 - The Descent of the Torches
6 - Shake Hands With the Man on the Moon
7 - Tall on the Wave
8 - Angle in Blue
9 - The Cop on the Cover
10 - Invitation to Murder

Just missing the cut - Nothing

I'm really not fond of Up the Rebels. And When Does a War End is okay with me.

Added: October 31 2017 11:11:51 AM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Ok, season 10, here we go...

1. Tsunami
2. A Death in the Family
3. Deep Cover
4. Up the Rebels
5. Angel in Blue
6. Frozen Assets
7. East Wind, Ill Wind
8. Tall on the Wave
9. The Friends of Joey Kalima
10. A Stranger in His Grave
11. Invitation to Murder
12. Shake Hands With the Man on the Moon
13. The Cop on the Cover
14. The Ninth Step
15. Head to Head
16. My Friend, the Enemy
17. You Donít See Many Pirates These Days
18. When Does a War End?
19. A Short Walk on the Longshore
20. The Silk Trap
21. Deadly Doubles
22. The Big Aloha
23. The Descent of the Torches
24. Tread the Kingís Shadow (worst episode of the entire series!! Avoid at all cost - may be hazardous to your health!! :))

Added: October 30 2017 01:02:03 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Hey John, 4 out of those 5 episodes would also find their way into my top 5 for the season 10 ranking. I still need to figure out the full ranking though. Donít worry, I no longer have "When Does a War End?" in my top 5 (yes, I once did). :) After a rewatch not too long ago I realized that itís pretty crappy. Whatís up with David Dukes??? Either he needs to go to the bathroom really bad or he has no clue how to play disturbed/psycho.

Added: October 28 2017 04:46:33 PM


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Have to agree with Ringfire and a few others on the quality of Season 9 Classic Hawaii Five-O. There are plenty quality episodes as already mentioned. That's 200 episodes deep in the Series. My Top 5 FAVS Season 10 would be: 1. East Wind, Ill Wind 2.Up The Rebels 3.Tsunami 4.Deep Cover 5.Death In The Family. Season 10 there are a good 4 episodes I've never seen. 2 duds in this year include When Does A War End? and another bust in The Longshore man episode with McG in disguise. JC

Added: October 28 2017 07:26:03 AM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I wouldnít say that MAGNUM got a lot of love from the critics in the 80s, they certainly didnít fawn over it the way they did over HILL STREET BLUES. Two very different shows. I think MAGNUM has stood the test of time and had some very good comradarie between the actors, but at the time I think it was viewed by the critics mostly as breezy adolescent fluff. Sure there were some serious episodes here and there, but mostly it was just breezy entertainment. It ran back to back with SIMON & SIMON on CBS, which is probably the best show to compare it to.

As for HILL STREET BLUES, please, does anyone even talk about that show today? They donít even talk about NYPD BLUE anymore and that was another critics darling.

Added: October 27 2017 12:07:04 PM


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

On Hawaii Five-O vs. Magnum PI. I think Hawaii Five O is my FAV all time show. I wouldn't place Magnum PI in My Top 10 or Top 20 shows all time. Magnum PI had plenty of love from the critics in the 80's like Hill Street Blues but could you honestly run down 10 Magnum episodes start to finish. There was a good 1 where Magnum was adrift in the ocean and was remembering life and an emotional episode of a Vietnam Vet living in the Hawaiian rain forest. Magnum was trying to get him to return to society. The strength of Magnum was the supporting cast Higgins,Larry, TC etc. Excellent actors. No doubt a reboot of Magnum would be lesser than the original. Hawaii Five O and MacGyver shows us that. Five O has stood the test of time from the "Book'em Dannos" to the slang 5-0 used in popular culture for police. Jack Lord & the HFO team and the many actors and writers left a legacy of excellent episodes we watch almost 50 years later. JC

Added: October 27 2017 12:41:59 AM


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Season 9 Practical Jokes Can Kill You Review. Molly from Turkey Shoot is back with a boyfriend Todd. They own a shop Windsong that deals with hang gliding stuff. Todd and his friend pull off a caper stealing the legendary Hawaiian King's cape. Somehow, the hang glider lands on the roof of an exhibition building and the yellow cape stolen. This is not shown. There's a concurrent story as 2 criminal types are trying to steal a large Army vehicle to obtain M-16's and weapons. Didn't see how the plan would work. They would have to go through checkpoints if they stole the vehicle. Had no Army ID's or uniforms. The duty guard would probably have stopped them. Anyway, the plan foiled as one of the soldiers was able to drive away. Marvin the businessman and criminal gives Abelino another week to obtain the weapons. His associate Joko thinks of a plan to obtain the M-16's. Joko witnesses Todd and his friend carrying the King's cape from the caper and uses it as blackmail against them. Abelino presents a Practical Joke scenario to Molly and the kite people. $2,000 a piece to land the hang glider on a warehouse building. Molly shoots down the idea and Joko and Abelino kidnap Molly so Todd will comply with their wishes. Danno investigating listens to the kidnappers as Todd talks to them. HFO team and Todd communicate to devise a plan to catch these kidnappers and hopefully Marvin. Molly needs to be saved as well. There's some outstanding photography as Todd completes his part of the deal landing the hang glider inside the army building roof. He takes the duty guard at gunpoint and grabs his keys. The guard is locked in another building and Todd opens the gate. McG & HFO team secretly catch the kidnappers trying to load the M-16's. Marvin is later captured with nowhere to run. Molly is safe. I'd give Practical Jokes 4 stars out of 6. JC

Added: October 26 2017 05:12:11 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I absolutely second that! Donít mess with MAGNUM! Itís a very special show which, at first glance, doesnít look like much. But once you start watching episode after episode you begin to understand its appeal. You quickly realize that itís not just "another 80s show".

Added: October 25 2017 12:10:42 PM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Trudeau-Turf

Don't mess with Magnum!

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/oct/25/magnum-pi-r eboot-hell

Added: October 25 2017 07:43:55 AM


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Mr. Mike.
Probably The Gunrunner for me. He has his wife kidnapped and then supposed to sell the guns to the one faction but the others give him more $. Plus they go to steal the guns near the pier. That required multiple watchings. I'd probably put the Mr. Winkler episode in that category too. He had all these different names and it was who really was he...I'm liking Let Death To Us Part more with multiple watching. Excellent acting Jim Spier, Danielle, Norton, etc. That line stays with me near the end when Helen Nuhall talks about "making the description fit me and me fit the description." JC

Added: October 23 2017 06:03:14 PM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Another show from Five-Zero's "next" season (last item on the page):

http://www.fiveohomepage.com/2010-log2.htm#nosense

Added: October 23 2017 12:26:05 PM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I can figure out Spooks for Sale if I think about it with the attitude of "don't think about it too hard." But I challenge you to write the plot out without your efforts turning into War and Peace.

Added: October 23 2017 12:21:41 PM


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth

I'm not so sure Spooks for Sale is that complicated. An espionage firms is hired by a client to get industrial secrets from a competitor. Andrew Robinson's character doesn't like the ethics involved by his employer, nor does the client.

Added: October 23 2017 11:48:19 AM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

A Thousand Pardons is pretty straight-forward I think. Watanu forges marriage certificates to make it look like the bar girls were married to recently killed GIís. The girls then go to the city municipal building (or wherever) and pick up the insurance money. Iím assuming this is life insurance, which in the case of a spouseís death passes on to the other spouse. Simms then knocks off the girls and takes the money for himself. Easy peasy :)

Added: October 23 2017 11:41:56 AM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I watched the SOSF episode Spooks for Sale (S04E13), and couldn't understand almost anything about it. This will likely require multiple viewings. I was thinking, which episodes of Five-O are equally "problematic." I'm not talking about shows where the script is just stupid, but either written in a very dense or complicated manner.

Some which gave me trouble:

A Thousand Pardons -- You're Dead! -- the whole business with how the insurance worked drove me crazy for quite a while

Try to Die on Time -- My review says I had to watch this three times, I don't think it was >that< difficult.

Let Death do Us Part -- "This show is very complicated."

Added: October 23 2017 09:43:43 AM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Thanks, Will. I guess it seems like in most cases the network that airs the show ends up owning the show. I guess they have too much power, more so than the producer. Either the producer canít hold on to the show or gives it up willingly. I guess the network makes an offer the producer canít refuse.

Added: October 22 2017 06:24:15 PM


Submitted by: Will
From: Seattle

CBS Entertainment is coproducing with Universal and presumably both of them are financing. As for Bellasario, his company (and, for the final few seasons, Selleckís company) produced the show in partnership with Universal and Universal ultimately acquired all the rights over the years.

This sort of thing happens all the time. For example, CBS also owns Star Trek although the original show was a coproduction of Desilu (later Paramount Television) and Gene Roddenberryís production company, Norway. Somewhere along the line Norway got bought out and Paramount (and eventually CBS) owned the whole thing.

Added: October 22 2017 03:36:36 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Thanks, Will. So itís Universal that owns the show and will be involved in the remake? I admit to not being an expert on these things - who owns what? Universal or CBS or both? I still say it doesnít make sense that Bellisario doesnít have the final say in these matters. I still see it as his product. Just like if I own a house itís my house and it doesnít matter if I let you live in my house for 8 years, at the end itís still my house and you have no right to it. But Iím sure itís a lot more complicated than that in the TV industry. CBS only airs the show right? What is Universalís function? Iím guessing they provide the money to make the show?

Added: October 22 2017 02:35:10 PM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Here is a link to another Magnum show (a sequel) which was announced last fall. Doesn't seem to be going anywhere, though...

http://deadline.com/2016/09/magnum-p-i-sequel-daughter-abc-eva -longoria-1201824437/

Added: October 22 2017 01:19:32 PM


Submitted by: Will
From: Seattle

To answer Ringfireís question, there is no IP infringement with the Magnum reboot or with Five-0 or any of the others reboots weíre seeing. Universal owns the Magnum IP and can do with it whatever it wants. Similar to how CBS, which bought Spelling Entertainment years ago, has rebooted both The Love Boat and Dynasty on the CW. I imagine Bellasario and the estate of Glen Larson and Tom Selleck retain some interest in Magnum, but only to the extent that theyíll make a lot of money for no work if the Magnum reboot makes it to air.

Added: October 22 2017 09:05:59 AM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Ringfire, you are sure asking a lot of questions about the Magnum remake, but I have no idea what the answers are, and, quite frankly, I have no interest in this production at all. I never cared about the original Magnum other than half a dozen or so episodes starring Elissa which I watched because I was including those in the WWW page which I made for her. Over and above these shows, I think I could count the number of other Magnum episodes I have ever seen on the fingers of one hand. Like Lenkov's rehash of MacGyver, another show which I have never had any interest in, either old or new, his update of Magnum, assuming it gets off the ground, will join a long list of "shows that I have never watched and never will." Incidentally, many years ago, Magnum was broadcast on one of the local Seattle TV stations, and I used to tape these shows all the time ... but not because I was watching them. I would trade those tapes with this friend of mine in the Eastern U.S. for dubs of later seasons of Five-O which I had never seen before that he could access in his area!

Added: October 22 2017 06:10:00 AM


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Requiem For A Saddle Bronc Rider Season 9 Review. This is an interesting episode that it spends plenty of time at Waimanalo Rodeo Grounds. McG and the HFO investigate 2 missing persons Billy and his girlfriend Lani. Suzie flies in from California where she is a graduate student at Berkeley. She's worried about her brother Billy who disappeared during a call from Hawaii to California. Her father was an officer HPD killed in the line of duty. McG knows the family well. Suzie & McG go investigating and ask about Billy's whereabouts at the rodeo grounds. Mr. Jessup, Calvin,and Possum are tight-lipped. There is good footage while Suzie &McG visit the rodeo grounds. Some calf roping and cowboys riding bucking bulls. HFO trace Lani's last known movements a bus ride 8:15 PM out to Waimanalo. Duke delivers the bad news from the beach that first Lani's body and then Billy's body was located. Missing persons no more. Suzie borrows her friend's car and drives out to Waimanalo asking Calvin where's Billy. McG & Danno discuss the case and it leads back to the rodeo riders at Waimanalo. Calvin fights with Mr. Jessup after learning the truth about Lani and the disposal of both bodies. Mr. Jessup is shot in the cat and mouse chase at the rodeo grounds and later is gored and killed by Crazy Luke. There are no winners here. Suzie lost a brother, no wedding for Billy & Lani, Mr. Jessup dead and doesn't go to jail, Calvin & Possum will probably do jail time. There is also a concurrent story about an illegal gambling operation HFO team will bring down. I would give this episode 4 stars out of 6. Tight script like The Payoff. JC

Added: October 22 2017 12:43:20 AM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Mike, that is indeed a disturbing development. I still donít understand how rebooting old shows isnít grounds for a major lawsuit. Isnít it copyright infringement?? Even if you change the entire storyline and even the music but youíre still using the title of the old show and the old character names. How is this allowed?? Isnít it the property of the original producer?? Doesnít Donald Bellisario have anything to say about this? I canít beleive that itís all CBS property and the producer or his family (if deceased) have no say in it. That doesnít seem right. CBS or any other other network is only a means by which a show is shown to the audience. But it remains the property of the person who produced or conceived it. Is this not correct?

And how does MacGYVER (originally an ABC show) get shown by CBS anyway?

Added: October 21 2017 05:13:38 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"I also thought McG should have been more emotional losing his beloved Kathy."

I donít know, John, but he almost killed the man who killed her, and if they hadnít dragged McGarrett off of him he would have surely killed or drowned the bastard. If you ask me we had never seen McGarrett THIS emotional. As for McGarrett crying his eyes out 24/7 over Cathi Iím not sure I would want to see that and it would definitely be out of character for him. Keep in mind that he was still in shock during this whole time. It usually takes some time for the tragedy to finally sink in. Often it takes weeks or even months.

Added: October 21 2017 03:29:14 PM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Last night's show (S08E04), reviewed:

http://fiveohomepage.com/2010-log8.htm#4

Added: October 21 2017 02:08:45 PM


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Happen to catch the new Hawaii Five O episode. I was pleasantly surprised. Loved the scene when Junior lived in the tent city. Homeless shelter. Very realistic scene. Kamekona should have become a boxer. He received plenty of blows by the criminal. This would have rendered a lesser man unconscious. It seems some hacker had uncovered Five-O's list of informants. Walker Texas Ranger had a similar episode years before. Kamekona faced certain death when the criminal received a call from his father. He changed his mind and Kamekona was spared. Wright the Andre Agassi looking criminal played an outstanding role as an expert computer hacker assisting Five O. Their Informant list was comprised. Toast became Toast but Kamekona was allowed to live. Jerry even showed off his singing chops in the final ohana scene. JC

Added: October 21 2017 10:39:09 AM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Last night's Five-Zero was Danno-free, but then we were forced to deal with ISSUES of the new characters.

Tami has problems with her brother, which distracted her from guarding Aaron Wright, who was enlisted to help Five-Zero because their geek-on-call and "beloved character" (I'm sure someone will refer to him this way) Toast was murdered and their system was hacked. There really was nothing she could have done, though -- it's not like she could understand what Wright was up to, getting his pals to come and rescue him.

We find out the other new guy, Junior, lives in a homeless shelter, has no cel phone and McGarrett suspects that he is having trouble readjusting to life in the real world after returning from life in the military. Hopefully Junior is not going to have an attack of PTSD or something and go pyscho.

Kamekona got lots of screen time, which was a good thing, but the beating the guy was taking for being a criminal informant after he was kidnapped was pretty tasteless. And what was it that his kidnapper's father told him on the phone which made him release the big guy?

Daniel Dae Kim must be happy ... maybe ... because an Asian guy was an important character, but he was a bad hacker ... sort of like Asians were bad gangsters on last week's show. To top it off, in another realm of equal opportunities, the guy was blind!

Venturing into methods of convincing people to co-operate that we haven't seen for a while, like McG showering Kamekona's kidnapper's father's shop with gasoline, Grover actually threatened to hit this blind guy. What will he do next, push someone in a wheelchair down stairs like Richard Widmark in Kiss of Death?

Added: October 21 2017 08:14:29 AM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Disturbing...

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/live-feed/magnum-pi-reboot-works-at-cbs-1050888

Added: October 20 2017 10:12:14 PM


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

On Man In A Steel Frame: I have to agree with Fred on this one. It has some good points McG with a beautiful fashion designer girlfriend Kathy. Some beautiful photography and good conversation scenes McG and Kathy. The frame was a good one but not perfect. There are several small problems with Man In A Steel Frame. First, the phone call. Who would call it in? Obviously, the killer because Kathy's place was isolated. Second, McG was struck in the head from behind. Probably McG suffered a slight concussion. This squares with McG's story he's struck when he entered. Third, they found the psychotic drug or whatever in McG's system which shows that he had been drugged. It's strange that the detective and Danno would think McG could be involved in Kathy's death. McG went to bat4 Danno plenty of times. Later,Danno comes to his senses arguing with the DA Manicote. The plot quickly unravels with the tennis instructor involved. McG figures that's where his gun was switched at the tennis club. Why didn't the tennis pro just pass McG a note or talk to him secretly in the locker room or the court? Sure, he was threatened but these criminals weren't with him 24/7. I also thought McG should have been more emotional losing his beloved Kathy. This was a woman he supposedly loved dearly. I would give Man In A Steel Frame 5 stars on my 6 star system. JC

Added: October 20 2017 09:36:04 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"Double Exposure" and "Deadly Daughter" are both very good episodes but not top of the line classics. What the former has going for it are some bizarre characters (especially Doyle Weston) but outside of that itís just another episode where the mob tries to bump off a witness who saw something she shouldnít have. Weíve seen this before. But it does have that cool opening inside the Diamond Head crater and when that guy gets run down by the car outside of the Diamond Head entrance (cool shot!). Also the ending where that car goes up in flames as it careens down a hill in that pineapple (or is it sugar cane?) field. Thereís that fantastic helicopter tracking shot that captures this footage!

Added: October 20 2017 07:30:18 AM


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Season 9 is 1 of my FAV seasons. Difficult to pick 5. I'll go with: 1.Double Exposure 2.Yes,My Deadly Daughter 3.Nine Dragons 4.A Capitol Crime 5.Assault On The Palace. Some good episodes fall short. I think Bells with Rich Little I have a few small problems with. The old landlady gives a perfect description to the sketch artist even though Danno said she was all over the place. Double Exposure nearly flawless in the photography and script. I'm a big fan of HRH in Paperhangers. The ending is rather weak. Why not just wait a day or so and setting up the accomplice at the end was stupid. He might have rolled over and told HFO they were going to the airport. This is not shown. A Capitol Crime is outstanding start to finish. I think Double Exposure episode #200. Season 9 HFO still has its fastball. Thanks for showing your Season 9 lists. JC

Added: October 20 2017 04:30:15 AM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Granted that some of the slo-mo shots of McGarrett and Cathi on the boat getting all lovey-dovey while the "happy" music plays is a bit cheesy, but thatís all offset by a riveting story of a perfect "steel frame" against our top cop! Also itís really creepy during the scenes of McGarrett being set up by the "man without a face" (literally) whoís lurking about the premises. Love it!

Added: October 19 2017 12:39:59 PM


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth

Not They're...There are. Doh!

Added: October 19 2017 12:22:51 PM


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth

Ringfire, I'll concede to you that Jack Lord is excellent in Steel Frame. I'm just not a big fan of the plot. And opposed to the new Five-O series, they're not a lot of personal relationship episodes. And, for me, McGarrett is all Five-O, almost 24-7. His love life seems awkward as a result.

The episode is good, just not in my top 10.

Added: October 19 2017 12:10:39 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Fred, good to see "To Die in Paradise" in your top 10. No idea why it gets so much hate. Yes the kidnappers are 2 idiots but thatís by design. Theyíre supposed to be 2 dolts who are in over their heads. They actually crack me up! And I never had a problem with Pamela Franklin as Bobbie Jo Bell. She was alright in the role and even her much maligned song (heard echoing through the valley lol) isnít bad by any stretch. Iíll concede that "Bible Jim" is a dumb character and should have been left on the cutting room floor, but on the other hand heís so ridiculous that I canít help but crack up!! So thereís at least some comedy value. But ultimately the episode wins me over on the strength of the lush beauty of the islands. I think they filmed the wilderness scenes in part on Kauai and in part on Oahu. It was nice to get away from the concrete jungle of Honolulu. Also the cliff climb at the end (accompanied by Don Rayís fine score) was fantastic!!

Wow! "To Kill a Mind" is your worst??? Itís actually my favorite of the 3 Pat Hingle/Ormsbee episodes! I loved the idea of Ormsbee unknowingly doing the bad guysí bidding by trying to destroy the top secret unit which they canít destroy themselves. I thought the debris in the water was a really cool idea.

Iím also surprised at the absense of "Man in a Steel Frame". A riveting and gut-wrenching episode!! Jack Lordís finest hour! McGarrett letting loose at the end and beating the living daylights out of the "most interesting man in the world" in the surf is a thing of rare beauty. Simply sublime!!

Added: October 19 2017 11:38:25 AM


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth

I agree with Ringfire. Season 9 is the last of the classic seasons. I'd still rank it 7th, 8th or 9th among the series' seasons.

My top 10:

1 - The Bells Toll at Noon
2 - The Last of the Great Paperhangers
3 - Tour De Force, Killer Aboard
4 - Target - A Cop
5 - Nine Dragons
6 - Elegy in a Rain Forest
7 - Yes, My Deadly Daughter
8 - A Capitol Crime
9 - To Die in Paradise
10 - Assault on the Palace

Just missing the cut - Dealer's Choice...Blackmail, Older Profession - Latest Price, Blood Money is Hard to Wash and Double Exposure.

I'd put To Kill a Mind at the bottom for this season.

Added: October 19 2017 09:40:41 AM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Here is my ranking for season 9, the last "great" season of Five-O.

1. A Capitol Crime
2. Target - A Cop
3. The Bells Toll at Noon
4. Man in a Steel Frame
5. Blood Money is Hard to Wash
6. Elegy in a Rain Forest
7. Tour De Force, Killer Aboard
8. The Last of the Great Paperhangers
9. To Die in Paradise
10. Nine Dragons
11. Assault on the Palace
12. Double Exposure
13. To Kill a Mind
14. Practical Jokes Can Kill You
15. Yes, My Deadly Daughter
16. Dealer's Choice... Blackmail
17. Heads, You're Dead
18. Oldest Profession - Latest Price
19. Requiem for a Saddle Bronc Rider
20. Ready, Aim...
21. Man on Fire
22. Let Death Do Us Part
23. See How She Runs (or the adventures of Osiris, Willow, Rainbow, Phoenix, Karma, Rhyme, Cassiopeia and Aquarius - GAG!!)

The first 4 on this list easily belong on my ALL-TIME favorites list and any one of those 4 could have been the best episode of any of the previous seasons. Even season 8 didn't have a strong batch like those 4.

Added: October 18 2017 10:18:09 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"The Case Against McGarrett" is not as good as the original trilogy and in some ways could have been more suspenseful, but on the whole it's still a fairly strong episode. It's just outside of my top 5 for the season.

Added: October 18 2017 09:26:27 PM


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Season 8 Classic Hawaii Five O Review. The Case Against McGarrett. Honore Vashon the Father receives an early parole hearing despite trying to conspire to kill McG. It seems strange that he would receive an early parole especially that he attempted to eliminate McGarrett Hawaii's Top Man. McG & Danno have about a week to present info for a report and make sure Honore stays behind bars. McG arrives late but presents a lengthy list of Vashon's criminal activities he's still in control of. Vashon is denied his parole but finds a way to face off against McG. A group of officials and dignitary types are held hostage during a prison tour and visit. McG agrees to exchange himself for the hostages but he's wearing a device that can pick up what's happening inside. Vashon places McG in a mock trial having the prisoners listen and as jurors too. Probably Vashon's strongest point that Chris was found NOT GUILTY. However, as McG pointed out, witnesses were bought off, others disappeared, etc. Vashon takes too long giving Danno & the rescue team time to plan and execute capturing McG and arresting the prisoners. Vashon receives words from an ox-strong prisoner Tasai about wanting his escape and this trial taking too long. Danno & the rescue team rescue McG and the prisoners captured. I wouldn't place The Case Against McGarrett in my Top 20 but a solid episode. It would rate 5 stars out of 6. Loved seeing Vashon again and it was great to see the mock trial. McG was able to negate all of Vashon's arguments. I would have enjoyed seeing the prisoners vote to increase the tension and suspense. JC

Added: October 18 2017 08:56:44 PM


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth

Pelotas is the Spanish word for balls as in a soccer ball. Grover said it. He's from Chicago. I'd cut him some slack. In my opinion, a dig for that is a stretch.

But the episode was ridiculous. The 89th in a row. Or thereabouts. :)

Added: October 18 2017 04:36:03 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Haha! Pelotas?? Lol. Anyone whoís ever watched a soccer game on a Spanish channel knows that pelota is a soccer ball.

I thought everyone and their grandma knew that cojones is balls/testicles in Spanish.

Donít tell me the Five-Faux writers donít know this.

Added: October 18 2017 12:55:42 PM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Friend's reaction to my recent of most recent Five-Zero show (obviously a fan of the old show):

Eww! Just eww! You have made me once again glad I don't watch that tripe. What have they done to Five-0, Ma? Sigh.

A question you don't ask in your review is, how does a waitress afford a $426-a-night hotel room? As for where Walcott got his guns and other equipment, probably off the Internet!

And, dear Mother of Maui, can you imagine OUR McGarrett and Danno arguing over fabrics? Are you kidding me? I'm with you -- this schtick needs to just disappear!

As to the [T-]shirt -- again, eww! As I have said before, the only way I can even think of this dreadful series is to conceive of it as a parody -- and a very bad one, at that -- of the original.

Yes, "pelotas" is Spanish for "balls," but of the spherical plaything type (baseballs, basketballs, etc.). The Spanish word for the kind of "balls" referred to here is "cojones" (co-HO-nes) Hell, most Anglos here in Florida know that. Where are the writers who wrote this disaster from, anyway?

Gads, I'm glad I don't waste my time with this.

Barf.

Added: October 18 2017 12:28:28 PM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

There is a peculiar comment after the review of last Friday's show in the Honolulu Star-Advertiser.

==========
DavidatMililani

So pathetic that some people at Hawaii still don't know much from the then KGMB News Interview of Leonard Freeman creator of Hawaii Five - O. That's correct Hawaii Task Force Five Oahu, and NOT Hawaii Five Minus Zero, nor Hawaii Fiftieth State.

Leonard Freeman had done the Interview because of serious complaints of racism and stereotyping as far as not Representing the Population of Hawaii (Chinese, Japanese, Filipinos), making Asians Criminals, and making only Caucasians the good guys. This got so bad that the Local Hawaii Labor Unions in Support of the Hawaii Actors Guild were going to Strike, Leonard Freeman announced this would change.

When questioned about the Title he explained about the other Task Forces One, Two, Three, Four, Six, Seven, Eight. He further explained why NOT Zero as a negative (Zero) in the Title could kill the TV Show, a writer for a Hollywood rag had written a scathing article saying that "Hawaii Five Minus Zero" was exactly that a Big Zero (Flop).
==========

Doing a Google search for certain phrases in the above leads to what looks like an earlier posting of the same material 3 months ago on the site in the link below (it can take a few seconds for the comments to load):

http://www.kitv.com/story/35924007/hawaii-five-0-signs-3-new-star s-in-wake-of-cast-departures

Based on Google search results which I got yesterday, there are supposedly also references to the above rant on these sites below, but I think they are buried in some of the individual links. Most of the links on the first site do not work.

The second link below seems to be a discussion about issues like Five-O versus Five-Zero and how to deal with postings about the shows on a site like Wikipedia.

https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nakamurad avid

https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Talk:Hawaii_Five-0_(2010_TV_series)

Added: October 17 2017 12:03:35 PM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Did you see the T-shirt design for McGarrett and Danno's restaurant? If not, go and read my review of the episode, and click on the link (the only link) in it...

http://fiveohomepage.com/2010-log8.htm#3

Added: October 16 2017 08:43:04 AM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I have no idea if the "lawsuit" referred to in the e-mail I received is specifically the one referred to in those news items (which are all kind of old).

That's what you get when you do a Google search using those terms.

Added: October 14 2017 05:51:14 AM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Oh so itís Morton Stevensí heirs who are tying this thing up? So essentially anything composed by Morton belongs to the family and not CBS, which is preventing CBS from releasing the soundtrack? But then what about the scores by the other composers (Ray, Shores, Broughton, Geller, etc.) - does CBS own those? I suppose CBS could release a soundtrack featuring those composersí scores but of course without Mortonís music it just wouldnít be a complete soundtrack. Maybe itís better to wait and see if some settlement can be reached with the Stevens family. Hopefully sooner than later.

Added: October 13 2017 10:40:00 PM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Do a Google search for

Morton Stevens lawsuit
Hawaii Five-O lawsuit

(though this is kind of old news)

Added: October 13 2017 07:49:39 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Hmm... wonder what that lawsuit could be. I wonder if itís somehow related to the new show and who owns what property.

Added: October 13 2017 02:42:03 PM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I e-mailed La-La Land Records, and this is what they had to say:

There is a lawsuit going on and all Hawaii 5-0 related soundtrack releases have been put aside for the time being.

Added: October 13 2017 12:02:03 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Why is CBS slow in doing these? Is it because they lack the resources to go through their music library and do all the necessary restoration or cleanup? Are they worried that the cost in doing this isnít worth it because they wonít recoup their losses (i.e. sales will be lousy)? Iím guessing it all boils down to money. If they were assured that this would be a huge money maker theyíd be all over it, right?

Added: October 13 2017 09:20:08 AM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Discussion Forum discussion.

Added: October 13 2017 08:56:17 AM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"When I asked him again in 2008 after the DF discussion then"

Whatís a DF discussion?

Added: October 13 2017 08:55:00 AM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The issue of a Five-O soundtrack other than the one on Capitol Records (the CD version of which may soon go out of print) has been brought up in the discussion forum before, like in April and May of 2008.

I had already contacted a well-known producer of soundtracks for his opinion on this a few years before that (2002) and this is what he e-mailed me then: "Unfortunately the problem with 5-O is that CBS is very slow to do any deals, due to the necessary legal research." When I asked him again in 2008 after the DF discussion then, he re-iterated what he had said earlier: "CBS is impossible to deal with."

I had also contacted another soundtrack producer (I can't track this down, it was MANY years ago, probably prior to the above) who told me words to the effect "All good things come to those who wait" regarding a Five-O non-Capitol soundtrack.

But here we are in 2017 and still nothing has happened.

Added: October 13 2017 07:09:34 AM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Check this out: http://bit.ly/2i8JEb2
LaLaLand Records has released THE WILD WILD WEST TV soundtrack - with scores by Richard Shores, Richard Markowitz, Harry Geller, Robert Drasnin, Dave Grusin, etc. I already purchased the MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE TV soundtrack from this site a while back. Both were CBS shows and used many of the same composers that Five-O used. So my question is whatís keeping these guys at LaLaLand from releasing an expanded soundtrack for Five-O the way they did for M:I and WWW? Is it because there isnít enough demand for it or because somehow those scores are unavailable (lost or damaged)? I canít imagine that the fanbase for THE WILD WILD WEST is greater than for FIVE-O. Iíd be willing to shell out some large bread for a soundtrack like that. It would be a dream come true! Anyone have any ideas? Mike? Youíre our resident music expert.

Added: October 12 2017 09:51:28 PM


Submitted by: John
From: Maine

In the early 80's when I started watching H5O the syndication loop we had on the Vermont CBS affiliate was seasons 1-7 and 9. The package didn't include any 2 part or 2 hour episodes such as the pilot but it did include the Vashon trilogy.

Added: October 12 2017 11:43:19 AM


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Good Comments! Remember syndicated episodes going from Season 1 to 7 and back to 1. JC

Added: October 09 2017 06:15:31 PM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

S08E02 reviewed:

http://fiveohomepage.com/2010-log8.htm#2

Added: October 09 2017 03:15:23 PM


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth

Great lists!

I did not know about the elimination votes from years ago. I like Gidget's dad as villain in Legacy of Terror and as the ruthless IRS agent earlier. In each episode, he gets dispatched. Mako is always very good too no matter the series.

I'm not crazy about Honor is an Unmarked Grave. And I have to admit, because a lot of the episodes were not part of syndicated packages, I'm not as familiar with 6 to 9 episodes as result. I think Unmarked Grave is one of these.

Added: October 09 2017 11:27:19 AM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

To me "Honor is an Unmarked Grave" has a very similar feel to "Highest Castle ó Deepest Grave". Wealthy family hiding a dark secret, bones are found in both cases, there was a forbidden affair, etc. Both are a very good mystery but ultimately there are other episodes that rank higher for me that have a greater "Five-O feel" to me.

Added: October 09 2017 06:21:36 AM


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Season 8 sure has some great episodes. A Killer Grows Wings, McGarrett Is Missing, Murder Eyes Only, The Case Against McGarrett can't crack the Top 5. My Top 5 would be: 1.Legacy Of Terror 2.Death's Name Is SAM 3.Retire In Sunny Hawaii Forever 4.The Defector 5. Honor Is An Unmarked Grave. Love Season 8 and Season 9 episodes. It's Season 10 when some of the writing and episodes of lower quality arrive. There are a few Season 8 episodes I've never seen. Mostly in 8,9,10, and a few in 12. Probably about a dozen. I don't remember seeing Ring Of Life Season 7. What a fantastic episode Legacy Of Terror is start to finish. Commander Blackwell is 1 of my FAV characters all time. JC

Added: October 07 2017 08:02:19 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

And here is season 8...

1. McGarrett is Missing
2. Deadly Persuasion
3. The Capsule Kidnapping
4. Retire... in Sunny Hawaii... Forever
5. Deathís Name is SAM
6. The Case Against McGarrett
7. Turkey Shoot at Makapuu
8. Target? The Lady
9. Love Thy Neighbor, Take His Wife
10. Sing a Song of Suspense
11. Loose Ends Get Hit
12. Anatomy of a Bribe
13. Legacy of Terror
14. A Touch of Guilt
15. Wooden Model of a Rat
16. A Killer Grows Wings
17. Termination With Extreme Prejudice
18. Murder ó Eyes Only
19. The Defector
20. Honor is an Unmarked Grave
21. How to Steal a Submarine
22. The Waterfront Steal
23. A Sentence to Steal

Just like Mike doesnít like episodes with the word "fear" in them I guess I too have an aversion to the word "steal", which would explain why my last 3 episodes all have that word. Lol! See also "Steal Now ó Pay Later" back in season 7.

Fred, I agree about the gradual drop-off after season 6. I used to think that 7 and 8 were about even and that 9 was actually an improvement over both of those. I now think that 7 overall was stronger than 8 while 9 might be just a slight improvement over 8 (or maybe not). I see that you have "Legacy of Terror" ranked pretty highly. I donít know if you were around on the Five-O IMDB board a few years back when a few of the reviewers (spearheaded by "alpha") were reviewing the episodes season by season (as the DVDs were released). Then they also did an elimination type of thing to choose the best episode of each season. The picks for all the other seasons were all the usual suspects, but the season 8 pick was surprising. When all the episodes for that season were eliminated "Legacy of Terror" was the last one standing. Itís a good episode but not one you ever see get picked as the best. Typically you see "Retire in Sunny Hawaii" or maybe "The Case Against McGarrett". I thought that was interesting. Iím sure Mike has a link saved somewhere for these season winners.

Added: October 07 2017 09:40:17 AM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

What?!? Honor is an Unmarked Grave doesn't make the list at all?

Added: October 06 2017 04:55:15 PM


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth

Time to list my Top 10 from Season 8:

1 - Retire in Sunny Hawaii...Forever
2 - Sing a Song of Suspense
3 - Legacy of Terror
4 - Turkey Shoot at Makapuu
5 - Loose Ends Get Hit
6 - Wooden Model of a Rat
7 - McGarrett is Missing
8 - Target? The Lady
9 - Anatomy of a Bribe
10 - How to Steal a Submarine

Just missing the cut - Termination With Extreme Prejudice, The Defector, A Killer Grows Wings, A Waterfront Steal and A Touch of Guilt.

In my opinion, Season 6 is the zenith for the series and every season after that is worse than the one before. Again, in my opinion, season 7 is pretty good, but Season 8 starts a big drop off. I believe my sentiments are echoed by syndication reruns. I had never seen a lot of Season 8 episodes until I bought the season's DVDs. A good number were left out of the syndication package.

Added: October 06 2017 04:39:42 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Check out these articles on Richard Shores. There are 3 parts. Part 2 talks about his work on THE WILD WILD WEST and part 3 talks about his work on FIVE-O. Apparently scoring WWW was his favorite.

http://bit.ly/2ypXRrh
http://bit.ly/2yJlRl7
http://bit.ly/2yJLIt1

Added: October 04 2017 08:48:21 PM


Submitted by: Georgie Howton
From: Pearl City

Sorry, but I am confused. WHAT channel are you guys on Hawaii 5-0 nowadays>>
You are NOT LISTED on Spectrum !!
Thank you
georgiehownow@gmail.com

[??? No idea what you are talking about here. This site is not officially connected to the show, so if you have questions about where it is broadcast, you should check your local TV station, local CBS TV station or contact @PLenkov, the show's executive producer via Twitter. - MQ]

Added: October 03 2017 09:48:22 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Jeff, as I recall "The Box" didnít have much of a score. It was mostly a dialogue piece set in a confined space. The only part I recognize that was in "The Box" is the part that plays at 3:50.

Fred, I actually think the part that plays at the 8 minute mark is a bit different from what we hear in "One for the Money" (when the first 2 victims are stabbed). During those scenes that droning machine sound is much more pronounced and has more drone or buzz to it. Here on the WWW itís a bit muted and not very pronounced. But the other pieces sound fairly spot-on. I often wondered why itís the only episode from the first season that has the curious end credit of "Music Supervision Morton Stevens". This seems to suggest that there was no actual score written for this episode and instead it was lifted from the CBS library (most of which seems to belong to Shores). I guess Stevens gets credit because he was the guy in charge of music for the show, even when he didnít score it.

Added: October 03 2017 08:02:40 PM


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth

Good link Ringfire. The music is similar, but maybe slightly changed in the earlier part. The creepy music from One for the Money is pretty close. And the part just after the 8 minute mark is about exact.

Added: October 03 2017 07:15:18 PM


Submitted by: Jeff
From: Denver

Thanks for that link, ringfire...Shores was one of my favorites and I had no clue some of his early Five-O scores were tracked from WWW. Much of it was used in S1's "The Box". Likely helped him get invited back to score many of the S2 and S3 episodes. He also did some MANNIX episodes during this period for CBS.

Added: October 03 2017 07:06:10 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Check out this WILD WILD WEST suite from Richard Shores (thereís also a part 2 there): http://bit.ly/2yUJQ1v

Thereís a whole lot of music there that was also used on Five-O, especially during the early seasons. So Iím guessing much of it was composed for WWW and since it belonged to CBS it was then used on Five-O. If you start listening at around the 2:20 point and go from there youíll hear many cues that were used extensively in "One for the Money" as the creepy killer theme for Charlie.

Added: October 03 2017 02:45:13 PM


Submitted by: Todd
From: Los Angeles

I also have to concur with Mike that it's laughable to see tiny women beating up big guys, even if they have martial arts moves.

At least they didn't show Tani managing to beat up Duclair. She almost managed it, but he was about to emerge victorious before McGarrett and Danno showed up.

Still, watching her do formidable battle with Randy Couture was a joke.Jack

Personally I'd like them to cut out the hand-to-hand combat from the female characters (unless fighting other females), and have them stick to investigations and gun battles.

Added: October 03 2017 03:44:51 AM


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth

We Hang Our Own - Why is Che Fong acting as coroner when explaining that the younger Farraday did not die as a result of the wheel rim injury because the wound was not severe enough? Che deals with forensic evidence. I'm guessing that Doc Bergman must have been unavailable for that episode.

Added: October 02 2017 07:31:52 AM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Todd, the MiZchief hacker character will be back on October 20th: "The lives of Five-0's informants are in danger when the HPD system is hacked and one ends up dead, forcing McGarrett to enlist the help of hacker Aaron Wright (Joey Lawrence), who he just imprisoned." You can read about this further by clicking on this link (spoilers, but I have already spoiled things with the previous sentence!).

Beulah Koale will be in the show starting on October 13th (the third episode), along with McGarrett's canine friend.

I think Lenkov is cheating with the picture he posted on Twitter. It doesn't take much effort to track down the particular helicopter, a Sikorsky S-64 Skycrane (especially since Lenkov's picture already shows this name). This is not the helicopter used on the show -- see also this shot. (The identification number for the helicopter in the last picture, N4037S, leads to Stiller Brothers, a company in Yuba City, California, and actually is for a Skycrane.) According to Wikipedia, the maximum weight a Skycrane can lift is 20,000 pounds, which is 10 tons. Whether the cabin in the show is that weight or less is debatable. The one shown in Lenkov's picture seems to be newly pre-fabricated and is being moved to some location. The one on the show is a fully-functional cabin with lots of stuff inside, not to mention the five people, though I doubt their combined weight would exceed 1,000 pounds, or half a ton.

I am sure that Randy Couture will be happy to have his character on this show die, so he can go and earn more money making the next Expendables movie, though that one (the fourth in the series) will reportedly be the last!

Added: October 02 2017 12:23:30 AM


Submitted by: Peter Harris
From: Lubbock, Texas

So cool that you are also writing up Ironside!

[Hi, Peter, discussion of Ironside should be in the "Other" TV Shows Forum, which you can access via the link at the top of the page. I have moved your posting there. - MQ]

Added: October 01 2017 11:30:32 PM


Submitted by: Todd
From: Los Angeles

They definitely spared no expense with this Season 8 opener, where the special effects must have cost a pretty penny.

The fire/smoke effects were very good, aside from the fact that the fire never seemed to consume anything. That would be my only nitpick as to why it was obvious that it was an effect, if you looked closely. (Well, that, and there's no way Hawaii would allow such a fire to be set on Oahu!)

Unless Duclair's death is later going to be revealed to be erroneous (such as him putting some other guy in his clothing, and the body being too burned to recognize), I am disappointed with how he met his end. Much like Gabriel Waincroft, he was a seemingly indestructible, badass villain who died offscreen. Lame.

I agree that the cabin scene was ridiculous. Clearly Lenkov wanted that eye-popping scene on the show, but the setup (we're too heavy to be lifted together, so let's lift a whole cabin instead) was terrible and made zero sense. I would have preferred some soft of explanation that nobody could be lifted and survive the thick smoke on the way up, or something at least semi-plausible.

I agree with Mike that the escape scene was ridiculous, as was the "hacker breaks into the supercomputer and listens to everything" plot device. There's so much technically wrong with those hacker scenes that I won't even bother getting into it, but suffice to say that I cringed while watching it.

The subsequent scene where Aaron Wright "waits" for McGarrett and Danno to show up, via his laptop left in a hotel room, was far more plausible.

It is unclear what they plan to do with Wright's character. They likely have future plans for him, since he didn't die at Duclair's hands. Honestly, I'm sick of the "evil hacker" stories. They've already been done to death (and not very well), and the writers really need to come up with something new.

Meagan Rath looked really good in this episode, and appears far younger than her 31 years. They definitely took many opportunities in this episode to show off her body. Of course, Grace Park also looked quite young for her age, as she's now 43 years old.

Beulah Koale will play Chin's replacement, but his character has not yet appeared, nor was he in the opening theme.

Ian Anthony Dale (Adam Yoshimuri) also was absent from both the episode and the credits, despite the claim that he would also be upped to series regular.

Added: October 01 2017 11:29:23 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I donít care what Lenkov posts because itís all just a bunch of baloney! The copter couldnít lift 3 people but could lift a cabin with those same 3 people instead? Iím still waiting for an answer to that one. Itís like saying we canít lift 3 people because thatís too much weight so letís lift 4 people instead. Huh?

I actually wasnít even thinking that a cabin could weigh that much, that many tons??? Even if this was the flimsiest and most lightweight cabin out there (letís say with just some plaster for walls instead of actual logs) and no floor remained since the cabin was ripped from its foundation (the people inside would just be clinging to the support beams) itís still unnecessary added weight, in addition to the weight of the 3 people that really need to be lifted. Makes no sense!! It doesnít have to be a heavy cabin but itís still extra weight. And you still have to tear the cabin out of the ground. Why do that???!! :!mad:

Added: October 01 2017 09:11:50 PM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Ringfire, Lenkov says it can be done! I am very skeptical...

Added: October 01 2017 07:02:05 PM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I asked my friend Kurt to "anal-yze" this sequence in the show and this is what he reported back:

Believe it or not, there are hits when you google "How much does a log cabin weigh?"

Using some of those results, and examining the picture you sent me closely, I will guess there are 40 logs making up the cabin; 10 per wall. (This is probably conservative, but letís see if we can make this work.) At about 1000 pounds per log, that equals 40,000 pounds, or 20 tons, just for the walls.

A wood shake roof weighs 400-600 pounds per 100 square feet. The roof pictured is at least 20x20 for 400 square feet, or 1 more ton of weight. (Again, a conservative estimate). And this is just the shingles, not the sheeting or tar paper.

I assume thereís a floor or there would be nobody inside to rescue. Flooring is usually heavier than roofing, so letís assume 2 tons for the floor.

So, the cabin weighs 23 tons assuming no interior walls, no furniture, no bathrooms, no plumbing, no heating, and that the people inside are also weightless.

The Mi-26 helicopter has the highest lift capacity, at 44,000 pounds, or 22 tons. (ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mil_Mi-26)

Because 23 > 22, no, I donít think this could happen.

Thereís something else crucial to the answer: the heat from the fire. As anyone who lives in Phoenix learned the hard way this past summer, aircraft have reduced lift when the air is warm. Anything trying to fly around a fire will have to take the super-heated air into account due to diminished lift. I bet that helicopter canít handle 44,000 pounds in this type of heat.

Added: October 01 2017 04:15:09 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

So on Friday I happened to be home and checked out the new season premiere. Iím not even gonna bother saying itís a spoiler because itís too stupid for a spoiler. But anyway during a forest fire McGarrett uses helicopter to lift a cabin in the woods up, up, and away into the air. Yep they tie cables from the copter all around the cabin and then McGarrett just rips the cabin from its foundation and lifts it into the air. Yeah right!!!! But whatís even more idiotic than the picture of a helicopter lifting a cabin into the air is the logic behind all this. Apparently Danno, Grover, and the new chick are too heavy to be lifted up on cables by the copter, so the solution is for them to go inside the cabin and for McGarrett to lift the whole cabin??? Whaaaaaat???!!!!! Are the writers smoking something or am I dumb and missing something??! So the copter canít hold 3 people by themselves but can hold those same 3 people PLUS a cabin?? A cabin which needs to be ripped out from its foundation and causes McGarrettís copter to smoke and rattle like crazy?? :!thinking: :!mad:

Added: October 01 2017 02:45:04 PM


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