Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- October 2015

The Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- October 2015


The following are archived comments from October, 2015. After looking around, please add your own comments!

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Submitted by: John H
From: Canada

I started watching "over 50" while feeding candy to the local kids and I had to stop and post. I've spotted something I never noticed before, maybe nobody has, the answer to one of the great mysteries of our favorite show!!

Any guesses?

Added: Saturday 31 October 2015 17:02:38 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Last night's show, reviewed at far too great length:

http://mjq.net/fiveo/2010-log6.htm#6

Added: Saturday 31 October 2015 14:30:49 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Dumb stuff in show last night:

Crooks raid blood bank to steal blood which is so rare that 1 out of 10,000 people in Hawaii have this type, which is typically found in Polynesians and Asians. What are the chances of finding it in this particular blood bank's fridge?

McGarrett and Grover kick down doors when raiding two suspects' houses. HELLO! What if the doors are booby-trapped?

The serial killer is a porter who loads peoples' bags at the airport. How does he then kidnap and kill the women? The show does not say he is a taxi driver. It is said about one of the victims, that he "must have picked her up somewhere between the airport and the hotel."

At the house where the killer cuts up the bodies, all the lights are out, because the fuse box has been meddled with. Aside from just being stereotypical of a horror movie, how would the killer know that McGarrett and Grover were on their way there, so he turned the lights out?

Added: Saturday 31 October 2015 05:39:02 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Classic HFO Fans. I think Goldfinger is the best Bond film. Brilliant and compact action. That scene when all the soldiers fall over from the fake gas was incredible. Love seeing Honor Blackman in any film. I think the lack of Bond buzz today for several reasons. 1.The PC Culture. Back in the 60's and 70's, Bond was thought of as cool with his shaken not stirred martini and the way he could romance 2 or 3 women a movie. Today, you have MADD and Feminist groups as well as other groups who oppose women seen as objects. 2.The Fall Of Communism. Some of the best Bonds were the ones involving U.S.S.R. and the Cold War. With the tearing down the wall and the fall of Communism in Russia and neighboring countries, it takes away some interesting storylines leaving dictators or some kind of billionaire megalomaniac types. 3.The Bonds themselves. Sean Connery and Roger Moore were excellent in the role. Both were good-looking men and had a certain flair that attracted film fans to the series. I put Goldfinger #1.
To Hawaii Five O. I was thinking how cell phones could have helped the old show. One quick one was FOB Honolulu when Nicole Fleming changed clothes in the elevator. Kono could not warn Chin in time and she escaped. Kono could have called down to Chin on a cell phone and she would have been captured. Can you think of any other instances cell phones would have helped McG & HFO detectives? Happy Halloween! John

Added: Friday 30 October 2015 14:02:16 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

Mike, "Goldfinger" was the first Bond movie I noticed, and it remains one of my favorites.

Rainbow, I agree that adults need to act like adults, but it should go beyond movies and TV and into how we live our lives. Too many young adults still act like they're 10-12 years old! The man upstairs stomps his feet on the floor when he doesn't get his way. Seriously! I want to send him home to his mother.

Added: Friday 30 October 2015 10:38:57 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Goldfinger was a great, great movie. Terrific.

"passion pit"- love that phrase! :D

Added: Friday 30 October 2015 08:42:14 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Tonight is the obligatory Hallowe'en episode. There was no such show in season one for some reason, but there has been one every year since. My ratings for the last four years have been far from stellar (no pun intended):

Season 2 - Ka Iwi Kapu (Sacred Bones) ★★
Season 3 - Mohai (Offering) ★★
Season 4 - Kupouli ‘la (Broken) ★★1/2
Season 5 - Ho'omā'ike (Unmasked) ★★

Speaking of shows which do not suck, I got the complete Battlestar Galactica on Blu-Ray from Amazon for about $65 recently. I knew nothing about the show before this. Just finished the first season. The writing, acting, set design, etc., etc. are so good .... miles ahead of Five-Zero ... and much of it was made in Vancouver too! The two-part finale of season one is incredible. One reviewer was slobbering about it comparing it to Shakespeare and Greek mythology, etc. (a bit much, in my opinion). In this finale, they manage to have five or six different story arcs going on at once without any problems. The ending of this season is where the Grace Park character does something incredible, leading to a major cliffhanger...

Added: Friday 30 October 2015 08:13:44 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The first Bond movie I paid attention to was Goldfinger. I saw this FOUR times in the movie theatres when I was a kid. Of course, those were the days when you could come into a movie in the middle and stay to the point where you came in during the next showing, or you could just sit through the second showing to the end. The next showing would be very soon after, not like today where they kick people out of the theatres after each showing of a film. Goldfinger was a real "holy freakin' crap" movie. I don't recall seeing any of the other Bond movies with Connery until years later, though. I lived in a small town and if you wanted to see new movies, you had to travel to Vancouver (a long journey of 30 miles - LOL). The movie theatre in my home town was a passion pit which did not show new movies, it would show films which had been big hits months before.

Added: Friday 30 October 2015 07:53:56 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Ringfire:

You know, you raise interesting points, but I think the answer to your Bond question is this and applies to the people who like the new Five-O as well. In the 1960's I think that the Bond movies with Connery had a huge following in America. I often hear people from that generation talk about them all the time and the effect that they had on them. In the 1970's with Roger Moore, they still did well in America, but Moore sort of played it all as a lark and the 1970's was about grittiness and hard tough cops like Dirty Harry, Serpico, and Death Wish types of films along with Shaft etc.

I was a huge Star Wars fan up until the last pre-quel came out in 2005, and then I figured the story was done, because George Lucas said it was, and I loved it and buried it with my childhood. These new Daniel Craig Bond films, I love because of how serious, tough, and real they are, and I simply love Craig in the role and wish that he would play it forever. I love all things British as an Anglo-phile, and have a huge interest in the whole world. Unfortunately, and as a native American I can say this, I think that the culture of the United States, especially among men, has become increasingly juvenile, and we seem to want to continue to obsess about things in our childhood that we love and don't make us think that hard. The new Stars Wars film is a money grab, plain and simple, no matter whether it is good or not, and as a result, I'm a little tired of grown men acting like this movie in December is the be all- end all. I mean, I loved it too, but grow up and act like an adult. Half of these people who love the war between the Jedis and the Empire would run and hide if they actually had to fight a real war for this country, so it is just fantasy that this country is into right now. I think that is why those that like the new Five-O like it, because they just want to watch a silly light fantasy without having to think about it every Friday night.

I'm looking forward to the new James Bond because it is so adult and serious, and I'm just tired of all the comic book and silly let's stay in our childhood movies. America needs to start acting like adults and make more movies about our heritage like we used to. However there is a political reason to keep Americans consumed in fantasy so I will not go into it.

I'm looking forward to the new Bond film big time though.

Added: Friday 30 October 2015 07:11:33 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

John H

Good rundown on the Classic HFO episodes. On The Last Eden, I thought it was a strong episode. The last shootout scene was cumbersome in the parking lot. Maybe, a better ending would be Jimmy putting the gun to Koulfax and McG talking him out of it inside the building. I find it strange Jimmy didn't know about Koulfax Corporation. Love many aspects of The Last Eden. The explosion of the factory was realistic, Stevens as Koulfax good acting, outstanding HFO detective work finding the missing dynamite location, tracing the tire to the Sgt's vehicle. Mr. Mike made a good point about the Charter. McG kept hammering away that the Captain of the fishing charter could have made anchor or wasn't where he was suppose to be and might be involved with the explosion. There was no proof to McG's assertions. Would never hold up in Court. Lucky, the Sgt. started to crack and spill the beans. I'd give The Last Eden a strong 4.5 stars out of 6. John

Added: Wednesday 28 October 2015 15:23:13 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

Mr. Mike:

The episode in question is for sure "The Year of the Horse".

Added: Wednesday 28 October 2015 13:45:13 MST


Submitted by: honu59
From: New York

I was also going to guess "Follow the White Brick Road" as the only episode that combined Navy men and heroin. Could the "knife up the sleeve" be one of the sailor's tattoos? I remember there was a tattoo shop.

Added: Wednesday 28 October 2015 13:03:56 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

Mike, the only episode I can think of about Navy officers selling heroin was "Follow the White Brick Road" (Season 4). But I don't remember anything about a knife up his sleeve, not in that episode and not in any other.

Added: Wednesday 28 October 2015 10:56:01 MST


Submitted by: John H
From: Montreal

A few more episodes under my belt. My apologies if I'm boring anyone with my thoughts on these episodes, its just my way to try to have less discussion on the reboot show and more on the show that brought us all here in the first place.

"Force" a well done and interesting story with many good acting performances (except Linda Marsh who always appears sedated as in her other appearances). Even James M had one of his better appearances.

"Reunion" I always liked this episode and still do. It is an exciting episode with good pacing and high energy, 51 minutes flies by. Simon Oakland who often comes on too heavy did so here as well but it seemed just right for his character. The only weak link (apart from tourists magically able to take pictures of how Diamond head looked from the west in the 50's while taking the pictures from the east side of Diamond head in 1970 ;)
was the actor portraying Shigato. H5O seemed to have trouble with Asian characters!

"Louisiana" Another excellent episode, intentionally slow pacing building tension and foreshadowing and the relationship between Julie and Nick was beautifully acted and written making it believable and touching. One of the things I always liked about H5O was how the stories often had complex "bad guys" rather than the simple bad versus good of so many shows of that era.

"Eden" I always liked Ray Danton as an intimidating character backed by good acting so long as he was in his comfort zone. The rest of the episode was silly and poorly done. The basic premise that a company building sewage plant technology would have hired goons on staff and plot some very dangerous criminal acts to improve the speed that a contract would be awarded to them makes no sense and is utterly unbelievable unless you are an "occupy" or "world conspiracy" wack job. And contrary to what I just said about the previous episode these heavies seem cardboard one dimensional and equally unbelievable.

Added: Wednesday 28 October 2015 10:48:05 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Hey Rainbow,

[begin Bond rant] Yep SPECTRE will be the longest Bond film! The longer, the better, I say. We only get them once every 3 years or so as it is, so I'm more than ready for a long running time! The last few Bond films actually have had a longer than usual runtime (with the exception of the subpar QUANTUM OF SOLACE) which is good. I watched the film's world premiere at the Royal Albert Hall this past Monday and was really stoked by all the excitement. Now I just need to wait a while to see it. I'm also very excited to have Thomas Newman back as composer, especially since I really loved his score for SKYFALL. I know that he's very controversial among many Bond fans who feel that he's unsuitable for scoring Bond, instead preferring David Arnold. I liked Arnold's work but I thought it was time for a change and I feel Newman brought a fresh sound to the franchise. I heard a snippet of his score for SPECTRE and there's a great rendition of the Bond theme during the car chase in Rome.

One thing that always puzzles me is how little appeal the Bond series seems to have here in the states, when compared with the rest of the world. I mean all I keep hearing at the office is endless chatter about the new STAR WARS coming out this December. Earlier this year all they were talking about was the new AVENGERS. It just puzzles me that folks are so wrapped up in this fantasy world of flying superheroes and ridiculous space adventures in galaxies far, far away. :!thinking: I mean I understand that Bond is hardly the picture of real-world espionage. Far from it. But at least it has some basis in reality and keeps its one foot in the real world of espionage. Not so with the other series. Plus it's so much more interesting seeing real-world practical stunts performed as opposed to CGI generated on a computer. I can't stand that. I don't know - maybe Bond just isn't Americana enough. But I just love the international flavor of the Bond series. [/end Bond rant]

Yo Big Chick,

I too made a trip down to Hanauma Bay. Numerous trips actually. In fact that was my regular hangout on the weekends - the snorkeling there is like no place else. When a giant turtle swam past me as I snorkeled it totally flipped me, bay-bee!! :!cool: That place is Five-O history, maaaan! One of the very first scenes of that iconic show to ever grace our TV screens. "WRONG! Hennessy couldn't swim". TV history, bay-bee!!

Added: Wednesday 28 October 2015 10:07:33 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Anyone know which episode this is? I am having a brain meltdown. Someone writes me:

what episode had a navy officer who was thought to be dead who was in fact selling heroin and kept a knife up his sleeve. saw this episode years ago and would like to see it again

Added: Wednesday 28 October 2015 09:43:15 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Getting some spam posted to the forum, so anti-spam settings have been adjusted up. Do NOT leave links to web pages without reading the "Click here before your first post" stuff above (in red type -- also linked right above the comment section here).

No wonder the counter at the bottom of this page has been so high!

Added: Tuesday 27 October 2015 15:34:29 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

Thanks for clarifying, Big Chicken. I wasn't sure how you managed to get that permanent lease on a room at O'ahu State Prison.

Added: Tuesday 27 October 2015 10:15:44 MST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Seattle, Toomey & Lew's hometown

John H say “as for the development of the McG character I think he started as a very aggressive hands on chief in season 1 and by the late seasons he (McG) spent lots of time at his desk or in a helicopter with a machine gun.”

Just watched 'FOB Hololulu' and McGarrett packin a pretty cool machine gun in the helicopter assault on Wo Fat's hideout. Great production values and great machinations from all parties after them plates. Love the hyperbole from Johnny K bout the 'Fate a the Free World' bein at stake. A way cool Wo Fat two parter.

Funny, man. First time I visited Maui there was a loud copter hoverin round the beach cross from our time-share and I thought - man, that must be McGarrett!

Hey RingFire - Chicken's fist trip to Oahu, I hit Hanuma Bay, where it all began, and Waimanalo Beach, were they film so many great scenes. So I dig how you felt at Sea Life park.

Chahlee Bombay the man! Great post capturin the Chahlee-speak. Outta sight, man! As you say "What a brilliantly played sleazy character!" Indeed! He had enough menace to match intense early seasons Steve-O. "Just Lucky" be an all-timer.

An Chicken agree "Ransom" an all-timer as well. Especially dig pilot villian Andrew Duggan when he tell his fellow kidnappers who wanna off Kono "Do you know how many people look like you and Roy?" :D

Hey H5O Forever - Chicken be a lifer cause he a 3 time loser when Steve-O nail em for that hot carburetor. Like McGarrett say "Aint no big thing, brother, but it's enough to close that iron door on you forever when you been down three times before. Now you've had it Chick."

Added: Tuesday 27 October 2015 08:29:01 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

I'm not commenting on new Five-O today as I've had enough of it so....

Ringfire:

Yes, I can't wait for SPECTRE. It's finally here! I watched SkyFall a month ago to refresh my memory and get ready for this film which I've been dying to see. It's long. The running time is 2 hours and 30 minutes, but you'll probably see it before me, so be sure to post a review.

Added: Tuesday 27 October 2015 07:44:00 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

An age-old question is whether Charlie Swanson (Gerald S. O'Loughlin) is supposed to be the same character in both "The Box" and "Six Kilos," both in Season 1. Similarly, a question is whether Big Chicken (Gavin MacLeod) is the same character in both "The Box" and "...And They Painted Daisies on His Coffin," also both in Season 1.

Charlie Swanson can only be the same character in both episodes if "Six Kilos" actually happened before "The Box." In fact, his participation in such a large heist of heroin just might get him a 20-year sentence.

"The Box" cannot have happened first or else Swanson would have recognized McGarrett upon walking into McGarrett's (a/k/a Harry K. Brown's) hotel room at the start of "Six Kilos." If, on the other hand, "Six Kilos" happened first, that would go a long way to explain Swanson's hatred of McGarrett, yet at the same time, his respect for him.

As for Big Chicken, it seems somewhat likely that it is the same character in both episodes. In "The Box," McGarrett refers to Chicken as a dope pusher. The problem is that he also referred to him as a lifer. The Big Chicken in "Daisies" wasn't a murderer (or did I miss something?).

A little continuity would have been greatly appreciated -- but, of course, I'm writing this nearly 50 years after the fact, so . . .

Added: Monday 26 October 2015 17:46:51 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

It must be tough for New Hawaii Five O and series like them to come up with new scripts. Most storylines have been written about with some twists here and there. That helped Classic HFO in 70's because they invented some creative before their times episodes. The Computer Killer with Aarons using the computer was incredible as well as Three Dead Cows at Makapuu with biological terrorism in 1970-1971 Hawaii. Other episodes like that were Season 11 Skyline Killer with Klane the author looking to get the serial killer's story. I think new HFO have come up with creative ideas like the drone killing episode and the Halloween episode where the man was using experiments on people. New HFO has come up with some interesting episodes usually dragged down by a character here or there one finds annoying. Season 6 has been hit or miss but I'm glad HFO still on the air. Hawaii Five O in continuation allows us to remember Classic HFO fondly and gives Mr. Mike another year of writing quality reviews. John

Added: Monday 26 October 2015 16:55:04 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

THINGS ABOUT LAST SHOW I LIKED:

• Chin Ho taking charge when busting bikers. In one shot, DDK had a tough, Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa look!
• Jerry was nowhere to be seen.
• Adam was mentioned only briefly by Kono, he did not appear (i.e., no soap opera).
• Second stunt with motorbike running into truck.
• The daughter walking from the gas station to be with her boyfriend.
• 5-0 theme appeared during the show itself, near the end.

THINGS ABOUT LAST SHOW I DID NOT LIKE:

• The "ohana" tough mudder training and competition at beginning and end of show (2:56 and 4:30 respectively), a waste of "precious minutes."
• Danno, who was in a mega-bitchy mood.
• The stunt at the beginning with motorbike jumping from one building to another -- ridiculous.
• No explanation for how the daughter originally hooked up with her bad biker boyfriend.

Added: Sunday 25 October 2015 10:45:57 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Last night's show reviewed:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/2010-log6.htm#5

Added: Saturday 24 October 2015 21:53:02 MST


Submitted by: Ed
From: Honolulu

After all of these years, I finally watched the 1997 TV pilot. I didn't know that Mike had the complete episode on his web site. It's not near as bad as I heard it was. Especially compared to 2.0. Of course it did have a lot of holes, like bringing back Chin, etc. But it was watchable. I did not want to turn it off after 5 minutes. I watch 2.0 for the Islands only and keep asking myself, "Why am I watching this crap ?"

Added: Saturday 24 October 2015 14:02:57 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

The crime of the week started out promising enough - a defendant in an embezzlement case getting killed before he can give his disposition. Going by the embezzlement angle, there could have been numerous suspects - former business associates, mobsters, etc. There were any number of creative ways they could have handled it. It turned out to another ludicrous story.

Added: Saturday 24 October 2015 11:03:10 MST


Submitted by: George H
From: Missouri

Why don't they stop using the name "Scott Caan" in the credits and just use "Constantly Annoying". Much more appropriate.

Added: Saturday 24 October 2015 07:46:23 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Another disappointing (I am tempted to say "useless") episode. Once again, lots of time wasted at the beginning and end of the show with a "tough mudder" competition (though not particularly tough if you read what these competitions are supposed to be like). The show featured a very cool stunt with a motorcycle running into a car, but also a very stupid stunt, similar to one in the latest Fast and Furious movie, with a motorcycle jumping between two buildings. Totally illogical. Without a ramp for takeoff, the motorcycle would have plunged to earth no matter how fast it was going. (Not only that, there was a wall around the outer perimeter of both buildings' roofs which looked like it was about 3 feet high.) At least there were some scenes where Chin Ho was taking charge. It would be nice if, in addition to Danno being away, McGarrett would also be away, and let Daniel Dae Kim be the "boss" for an episode or two.

Added: Saturday 24 October 2015 06:59:34 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"Ringfire, you quoted my favorite lines and delivery from the entire series: "Hey Loo! Dis is Chah-lee. Chah-lee Bombay. Listen, Loo!" ROFL"

Yep, same here! That line is just quintessential Chah-lee Bombay! Vintage Albert Paulsen! He's played great characters on this show and many others but to me first and foremost he'll always be Chah-lee Bombay. You listenin, Loo?? Chah-lee! Yeah, Chah-lee, Loo! Chah-lee Bombay! Hey Loo! :D

What a brilliantly played sleazy character! "You silly broad, what'choo don't have no more is a pretty face!"

Added: Friday 23 October 2015 20:25:22 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

Ringfire, you quoted my favorite lines and delivery from the entire series: "Hey Loo! Dis is Chah-lee. Chah-lee Bombay. Listen, Loo!" ROFL

Added: Friday 23 October 2015 17:34:50 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

With regard to the 1997 pilot, you never know what you will get around here when you talk about something:

http://mjq.net/fiveo/97pilot/

Added: Friday 23 October 2015 17:19:04 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

I thought The Ransom was suspenseful. Kono sacrificed his life to save the kidnapped boy. It's amazing Kono wasn't killed. That was good theatre make up work showing Kono's face beaten up. I thought the leader was a great criminal villain and executed a strong plan. The underlings made some mistakes which helped McGarrett narrow the search. I enjoyed when McG arrived on the boat for some gasoline. It was a risky move by Steve to go in alone, but proved right in the end. Maybe, they have done experiments with gasoline in the eyes of subjects...Don't know how McG could shoot straight with his eyes burning of gasoline and somehow hit the boat's gas tank as it escaped. Still, I enjoyed the episode. On my 6 star system, I'd give it a strong 4.5 stars. Do you think The Ransom is your FAV Kono episode? John

Added: Friday 23 October 2015 16:49:04 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"The Ransom" is a top notch episode - one of the best of the series and next to the Filer episode probably my favorite from season 3. I visited Sea Life Park when I was in Hawaii in 2008 and watched the dolphin show there and they actually played the Hawaii Five-O theme during the show. Talk about a surreal moment!

Big Chicken,

You had me gassing, baby, with that "Seattle, 2 hrs south of Trudeau Turf" bit. Outta sight, bay-bee!! And make sure you pronounce Charley Bombay's name correctly, baby. It's CHAH-LEE. "Hey Loo! Dis is Chah-lee. Chah-lee Bombay. Listen, Loo!" Chah-lee flips me, baby! And Big Chick is a gas, man!!

Rainbow,

[beginning of off-topic Bond discussion] SPECTRE is getting glowing reviews across the Pond. We still have to wait 2 weeks stateside before we see it on our screens. Can't wait! I'm not reading any of the reviews though. Don't want to be spoiled by anything. [/end of off-topic Bond discussion]

Added: Friday 23 October 2015 16:46:54 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

"And I don't know what to say about his "cartoonish" get up near the end in the mini speedboat, holy cow!"

He got the outfit from the guy from whom he borrowed the speedboat. He came up with the plan at the last minute, when he saw the man on the boat, so there was no time or other opportunity for him to get another disguise.

Added: Friday 23 October 2015 16:37:47 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

You're being too harsh today, John. The 1997 pilot had two major flaws -- having two Five-0 chiefs and asking us to believe that Danno Williams could ever become governor.

Gary Busey did not come across well. He was too pushy and too disrespectful of everyone else, including his equal (Russell Wong). If we thought the governor was always coming down on McGarrett, they should have shown us the governor having to come down on Berk (Busey). We ain't seen nuttin' yet, bruddah!

As for "The Ransom," it was an excellent episode that showed a side of Kono that we had not seen before and would not see again. The man really pulled out all the stops to make sure Timmy Blake (Geoffrey Thorpe) got away from the kidnappers. He knew going into it that he stood very little chance of coming out of it alive, yet he used his professionalism to put the child first.

As for McGarrett's attire at the end of the episode, if you will notice as the boat and its owner pull up to the shore, you will see that McGarrett borrowed the windbreaker and sunglasses from the man from whom he borrowed the boat in order not to be recognized as he slipped in on the kidnappers. Good thing he was wearing the shades, too, or that gasoline would have blinded him.

Added: Friday 23 October 2015 16:27:05 MST


Submitted by: John H
From: Canada

I don't believe the 97 pilot is available commercially. It was never aired. I have a very messy copy that looks like it was copied online from what was probably an editing room print.

That pilot makes the new show seem like Shakespeare by comparison. Think A-team meets pineapples. The only neat thing is that occurred in the same "universe" as the original H5O so there is reference in the story to the original characters (many who made cameos in the pilot).

As for my next season 3 episode, "Ramsom" I concur with Mike's review on most points; some shaky plot holes, the grandfather father etc. But in general I find it to be a middling episode. Contrary to the last few episodes I found Jack didn't have his best performance, overacting his angst over Kono especially. And I don't know what to say about his "cartoonish" get up near the end in the mini speedboat, holy cow!

On the plus side the footage at Sea Life Park was really nice and the trio of bad guys was well done especially the very menacing Ron Hayes.

Added: Friday 23 October 2015 12:22:00 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

I agree, Rainbow. "Thanks for the Honeymoon" was a good example of an adult relationship. So was "Time and Memories." McGarrett was really falling in love with Kathy, even though she was only using him. He did not bear a grudge and use circumstantial evidence to convict her of her husband's murder. He kept as much of a level head as he could, unearthed the truth about the killer, and saw her off at the airport. Now, that's how an adult manages a bad situation.

Added: Friday 23 October 2015 11:10:26 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

In the old show's 5th season, they explored Steve McGarrett's personal life in the episode "Thanks for The Honeymoon" where he actually considers getting married to an old flame, but doesn't because of the job. That episode which I wrote about here this summer was one of the old show's finest and handled Steve's love life in a classy, touching, beautiful and "adult" way. The way mature adults approach relationships in the world.

The few times that the old show dealt with Steve's love life they were very memorable and touching romances. The new show reflects modern society's approach to love-One big soap opera and game played by children.

Added: Friday 23 October 2015 07:17:29 MST


Submitted by: Todd
From: Los Angeles, CA

Mike, I agree that they need some kind of executive editor to cut out the nonsense, and to basically do a sanity check on the episodes. This should actually be done at the script level, not even at the postproduction level.

Like in that recent episode where they kick in a serial bomber's door and two officers die... my girlfriend and I just looked at each other like, "WTF?" It doesn't take a genius to see that anyone with a working brain wouldn't charge into a home of a bomber like that.

I agree that they seem to be utilizing the "throw everything against the wall and see what sticks" writing methodology. I never liked the romance angles for McGarrett, for example. They had the long-running Catherine romance, and a few others where it was either briefly shown or implied that McGarrett had interest, but went nowhere. But none of these worked, including Catherine. The original Five-O was smart to keep McGarrett perpetually single, implying that he was married to the job. The current McGarrett would also be very believable as an almost asexual "married to the job" type, so why are they trying to force these romances upon his character? It's like they keep giving up, but the can't help themselves and want to try again.

There have been a few good character additions. The Grover character, while markedly different than when we first saw him, is decent. I even have warmed up to Jerry, though I still think he is better as an occasional contributor than regular cast member. Honestly, they really just need to stick to characters they're sure they want to develop, and then give them good storylines.

Added: Thursday 22 October 2015 15:12:33 MST


Submitted by: Linda Ratermann
From: Cincinnati, Ohio

I watched the show from 1968-1980. I will have to say that the show was not the same after Jim McArthur left. I have a question in 1996 there was a pilot made with McArthur's character has retires from the police dept. and is now governor. Is there a DVD available?

Added: Thursday 22 October 2015 13:03:26 MST


Submitted by: honu59
From: New York

"...they had something compelling to do with the final minutes (show the mother's reaction when she found out her son was dead), but instead they jumped immediately to the Sheraton for the NFL nonsense. Sad."

This is one of my big issues with the new show, but maybe it's just a sign of the times. Life is so cheap. People are shot up and killed with little reaction and little thought. I remember Jack Lord's McGarrett being deeply disturbed by any death, whether of an innocent or of a bad guy. (Yeah, I know, there were exceptions to that.)

"You think it's any easier to kill a grown man? You think the next one will be easier than this one? God help you if you do. It had better hurt every time. It better tear your guts out every time you pull that gun whether you use it or not. You learn to live with it, but don't get used to it."

I'm not sure I can imagine AOL's character delivering those lines.

Added: Thursday 22 October 2015 11:49:33 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Todd,

No one said the original show was perfect, but it was done much better than the new show - even the original's worst episodes were more watchable.

The original focused on the crimes committed and how they were solved, not the characters' personal lives, so development beyond their work as detectives was not going to be substantial.

They reused the same Hawaiian actors because it cost too much money to fly in Hollywood actors for small roles, and they wanted to use as many locals as possible. There was also a limited number of people with the ability to play those parts, hence Tommy Fujiwara, Elissa Dulce, Danny Kamekona, Jimmy Borges, Kwan Hi Lim, John Stalker, Pat Herman, Lynn Ellen Hollinger, etc. making frequent appearances. These people and the others who played smaller roles were any day better than the Hollywood actors I see on the new show. The Hawaiian stock players on the original didn't have the training that the Hollywood actors had, but they were naturals for their parts, which gave the storylines more authenticity.

The new show focuses too much on their personal lives and interactions to the point where it all becomes commonplace and shallow. The constant bickering between Steve and Danno is forced, and the soap opera with Steve and Catherine should have ended long ago instead of being dredged up now. Even the storyline with Kono and Adam is dry and takes away from the crime of the week. Guest stars and bit players are incidental and are lucky to get enough time to show their teeth.

Added: Thursday 22 October 2015 10:23:34 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Todd, you are right on the money, especially the comment "one cannot point to the original as a perfect show, just as the new version is far from perfect." This is something I point out ad nauseum to those people who accuse me of loving the new show and hating the new one, that I have been critical of many things in the old show. But let's face it, the old show is "more perfect" than the new one, that's for sure.

I have also been disturbed by the constant waste of "precious time" for things like beers-on-the-beach. When you get to the 38 minute mark of a 43/44 minute show and everything is resolved, you know we are in for yet more of this stupidity.

What is really missing for the new show is an executive story editor who knows his or her business, who will oversee the weekly scripts and point out flaws and inconsistencies and help audiences avoid the impression that the guiding principle of the show is "let's throw this crap against the wall and see what sticks."

As well, the constant characters who seemingly jet in and out of episodes does not help. This season, as I have already pointed out, it looks like there will be a revolving door of people who have appeared on the show before. Maybe this is a tribute to the old show, with all those Tom Fujiwara and Danny Kamekona parts? :D

Added: Thursday 22 October 2015 09:39:01 MST


Submitted by: Todd
From: Los Angeles, CA

The new show and the old show should not be compared. Not only did they exist in different eras, but they are different types of shows. The original Five-O was a police procedural drama, whereas the new one is more of an action/soap opera drama. Apples and oranges.

The old show was also not without faults. The characters beyond McGarrett were not well developed. There was no stable 4th Five-O member. The local actors, while adding authenticity, simply weren't very good, and some (like Tom Fujiwara) played an excessive number of different roles. The show was canceled two seasons too late, and most of the Season 12 episodes were pretty bad. Keep in mind that I am a huge fan of the old Five-O, despite its entire run being mostly before my time. I was 8 when the final episode of the original aired. However, one cannot point to the original as a perfect show, just as the new version is far from perfect.

With that said, I am surprised that there is so much sloppy writing and gratuitous shilling going on with the modern version, which has a high enough budget to where you would think neither would occur. "Hourlong" dramas in 2015 tend to be only about 42-43 minutes as it is (about 5-7 minutes shorter than they used to be), so the new Five-O should be treating every moment as if its precious. Instead, we find the odd insertion of marketing for the Sheraton Waikiki (I guess Hilton Hawaiian Village ended their contract) and now the pointless cameo of an NFL player. It's like they have to squeeze every possible dime out of the show, which may be profitable in the short term, but will drive people away in the long and medium term.

The various beer drinking get togethers and house parties, including just about every possible cast member, never provide anything interesting or humorous, and seem like they are thrown together in order to either fill time or promote something.

The writing in the rest of the episodes tends to leave gaping holes, or will often solve everything at the end with a deux ex machina tactic which leaves all previous investigating useless. Not all episodes are like this, but too many are. This is where the old Five-O was far superior, as we got to watch McGarrett and company do a lot of useful detective work in order to catch that week's bad guy.

Episode 5 of Season 6 (the last one as of this writing) was especially infuriating, because they had something compelling to do with the final minutes (show the mother's reaction when she found out her son was dead), but instead they jumped immediately to the Sheraton for the NFL nonsense. Sad.

Added: Thursday 22 October 2015 09:05:40 MST


Submitted by: John H
From: Canada

Big Chicken, as for the development of the McG character I think he started as a very aggressive hands on chief in season 1 and by the late seasons he spent lots of time at his desk or in a helicopter with a machine gun ;).

I think this transition was for a mix of reasons; Jack Lord was getting older so its understandable that more physical action was tiring and on location filming was more taxing than on the set. Second, when Leonard died Jack had to absorb much more responsibilities which made it necessary to reduce his location time without reducing his screen time. Lastly the show was adjusting to the times and the trend was towards more "human" rather than bust heads cops.

I like the first few seasons (1st and 3rd especially) for several reasons, I like the 60's setting rather than the 70's feel of later episodes, the 60's were just a more vibrant and interesting time and the early episodes touch and that.. Vietnam, culture war etc.

Also the early seasons had more energy from the cast, you can feel that they had something to prove, and it was fresh. Lastly the show dealt with all aspects of society in Honolulu in a more realistic way than the later seasons which seemed to be more geared to the beach house set in Kahala.

I also like the middle years for the ensemble cast and the strong consistent quality of the stories. Che Fong, Manicote and the morgue doctor.

Added: Wednesday 21 October 2015 09:42:48 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

Chris, is this who you mean?

"Which of course, leads us to the most touching part of the episode, when McG and Danno (Scott Caan) make their way to San Diego to give the news of the arrests of Jahani and Ahad to Kirk Emerson (played by real life Iraq War Veteran and Triple Amputee Bryan Anderson)." (http://www.honolulupulse.com/2014/04/five-0-redux-hiding-within-our-midst/)

Episode: “Peʻepeʻe Kānaka” (“Those Among Us”) (2014)

I don't watch the show, but this is what a quick Google search provided. Hope it helps.

Added: Tuesday 20 October 2015 21:36:28 MST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Seattle, bout 2hrs south of Trudeau Turf

John H say '"Cry, Lie" is a good episode but it highlights the acting limitations of Kam Fong..."Most Likely" was a good episode but again I felt that the weak acting of James MacArthur took away from the story”'

Dissin Kam and J-Mac?? Where's the love, man?

Thought Kam was fine in "Cry," but for Chicken "Engaged 2B Buried" be the quintessential Chin Ho ep. Dealin with his wayward daughter and the Vidalgos, Kam really kick it - "You think this is personal, you wrong - This is Five-Oh!"

Thought touchin on personal lives in "Cry" and "Most Likely" really amp up the tension in both eps. Love when Kono storm in and berate Big Steve after he suspend Chin. That's some bad ass insubordinatin!

And dig disillusioned Danno ridin back with rogue copper buddy Lew Morgan, tellin him what a terrible useless waste it all is. J-Mac usually the picture a earnestness, but here he jus oozing wit disgust.

I’m always interested in takes on the evolution of the McGarrett character and Jack’s changin portrayal, so hopefully you’ll share more thoughts on that, John.

But for Chicken - McGarrett's Season 2 speechifyin be the bomb! Steve-O’s long rant to Mr. Hardware and Mr. Charlie in “Just Lucky” be one a my favorite scenes a the whole series.

An Runner up gotta go to “Kamehameha Blues” where Steve-O tell them college counter-culturers “I’m not worried about the past. I’m worried about a world without law and justice where nobody is safe and nobody is free, where no one give a dam about anything.” Yeah Steve!

Hey RingFire - I'm wit you brudda. Season 3 may very well be the best but gots to luv season one - back when da Law was never coolah!

Good times comin' Let em roll, yeah let em roll! :D

Added: Tuesday 20 October 2015 21:03:14 MST


Submitted by: Chris Sheasdby
From: Solihull, UK

Hi,
Could you tell me who played the injured vet in the episode which dealt with young 'white' Muslim extremists.
He was a Marine survivor of an IED attack, visited by Danno and Steve.

Added: Tuesday 20 October 2015 12:48:52 MST


Submitted by: honu59
From: New York

Yup, "Trudeau turf" - I thought the same thing this morning and heard the phrase in my head in James MacArthur's voice!

Added: Tuesday 20 October 2015 11:07:47 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Yep, when I saw the results of the Canada elections this morning the first thing that popped into my head was "Trudeau-turf, a pacifist's Eden".

Agreed on season 3 - this is where Five-O really founds its groove and was firing on all cylinders. Wednesday nights at 10pm on CBS. Season 1 though still remains my favorite due to its raw and trailblazing quality. And Big Chicken!!!

Added: Tuesday 20 October 2015 10:07:43 MST


Submitted by: John H
From: Canada

Three more episodes...

"second shot" was an ok episode in my humble opinion. Jack acted very well but John Marley and Eric were wooden in their work. The story was too far fetched also, shooting someone a quarter inch from the heart on a very windy day with the location marked an a jacket which can move, never mind hitting a rib or the heart not being in the exact expected location. It would be simpler to just snipe Marley from a distance At his home or on the beach no?

"time & memories"... This episode was better than I remembered, good acting all around and the story was interesting and plausible enough to not spoil the enjoyment. Unlike other episodes where we delve into McG's personal life this one centered on how it effected his work (not the other way around) so he remained in character. I enjoyed the process of unraveling the mystery and like in the previous episode Jack's acting was excellent, you can see in his face as he questions suspects when each piece of the puzzle falls in place, very entertaining. Muldaur acted very well and combined with quality character development in the writing made for a very interesting and believable character.

When I started working we had tie lines (or trunk lines), we used them for calls between plants but also (as depicted in the episode) to make calls from home to long distance numbers. Long distance was so expensive then that employees didn't want to make these calls from home so instead you called the office and the receptionist connected you to an outside line.

Most of the episode was filmed at the Kahala Hilton (different owners now) including scenes which were supposedly at Franks home. You can see the little island on the beach in front of the hotel when she is supposedly walking on the beach in front of her home. That hotel had a dolphin pool right under the lobby. It was not so much a tourist hotel as much as a place for friends of the monied Kahala set to drop in to visit.

"Guarnerius"... Sub par acting by Ed (especially compared to "3cows";) and Paulson took away from this episode. Once again Jack did a good job. The actor playing the old violinist was awful, so overdone!

The white haired owner of the stolen car was one of the bad guys in bullet wasn't he?

I have a friend who lives right around the corner from the dairy queen mentioned by Mike in his review. It's long gone, now a small strip mall but the pizza place is still there but in a new building. The neighborhood is much nicer now than then. Sherwood Forest is not the park in waimanalo, it is an area adjacent to Bellows air station, it still belongs to the government but I'm not sure how much public access there is. When McG mentions how long it would take to search it by air he exaggerates somewhat. In a helicopter you could see every nook and cranny in about 5 minutes. Btw all the junk cars are long gone.

Added: Tuesday 20 October 2015 07:44:50 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Given the results in the Canadian election last night, is the new show going to incorporate a reference to Canada being "Trudeau-turf," just like the old one?

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/5-0log3.htm#65

Added: Tuesday 20 October 2015 06:05:42 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Latest episode reviewed. I wrote far too much, I only wanted to do a couple of paragraphs!

http://mjq.net/fiveo/2010-log6.htm#4

Added: Monday 19 October 2015 12:43:31 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

What's funny is that those two idiots never posted anything on the new H5O's IMDb board before, and most of their posts on other boards are trolling.

Added: Monday 19 October 2015 11:45:11 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Thanks, Rainbow. I was thinking of taking their comments and putting them at the top of my main page, along with Mrs. Freeman's comments (LOL) and some others which I could drag up from the past. Once thing you have to admit, at least these people have an opinion!

Added: Monday 19 October 2015 09:45:41 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

I saw the Michelle Borth IMDB thread about her face/teeth. I have to admit, her teeth bug me too. I noticed it several seasons ago. They are all too smooth and rounded. It's my guess, they are all capped.

Other than that, I have no issue with her or her acting. But I'm definitely done with her role as McG's woman.

Added: Monday 19 October 2015 09:35:57 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Mike,

Those people on that board are idiots. I'm surprised you deal with them. Your website has always been great and is a tremendous resource for fans of the old and new show. I would have been lost without it.

It's funny they don't like what you have to say about the new show, so the response is "Your website sucks"..Okay, that's a winning argument to back up you point of view. Morons.

Added: Monday 19 October 2015 08:51:41 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Oh dear!! :!sweating:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1600194/board/thread/249431136

Added: Monday 19 October 2015 08:15:14 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Mike,

In regard to your Michelle Borth post, I always thought her acting was fine, the problem was the lousy writing given to her character and the fact the producers didn't know what to do with her. When Grace Park left the show for a while, Borth's character was great as a replacement for her, and the character was fine. Park comes back and they just didn't know what to do with her.

Speaking of Park, her acting on the show is really bizarre. It is so muted and restrained with no inflection in her voice, no emotion in her face, just so low key, it's like she is on pot on something. The first two years on the show I thought she flashed some talent, but after that she has been horrendous.

The last episode was horrible as usual ending with another "beers on the beach finale" for their beer commercial. Then they throw in Jerry Rice and the NFL Pro Bowl plug to help CBS's sports properties and partnership with the NFL and it was more same old- same old. One good thing us that there was no Scott Caan and the show is much, much better without that clown.

H50:

I like that M Station idea of yours as that is what I was thinking.

Added: Monday 19 October 2015 07:35:13 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

Regarding Season 3. It ranks as my second favorite season behind Season 6. "Trouble in Mind" is in my top 10 all time episodes. If I actually did a list of my top 10 episodes, there would probably be about 25 of them. :)

Added: Sunday 18 October 2015 17:25:57 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

Okay! Back to M Station.

It was asked what format the show should follow. A suggestion is to use "Cocoon" and "Nine Dragons" as inspiration. This is what the 1980 pilot should have been and would have been if Washington had called Dana Ryan directly and the M Station Team had faced the Soviets directly while they were at the submarine. Rather than have one enemy, the Red Chinese, each episode will focus on the team facing a different enemy, some military, some political, some socio-economic, etc.

Added: Sunday 18 October 2015 15:02:46 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

John C, the Coast Guard Auxiliary actually performed voluntary boat inspections and publicized them widely in an effort to encourage boat owners to have their boats inspected. As a commodore (honorary equivalent to Rear Admiral, lower half) in the Auxiliary, Jack Lord helped in the publicity campaign. The inspection in "And a Time to Die" was for publicity, as well as to further the story line.

You can see a picture of Jack in uniform with one star on his shoulder and holding a poster advertising the boat inspection campaign on RJL / Public Figure / Commendations.

Added: Sunday 18 October 2015 04:04:40 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Yes, Season 3 Hawaii Five O sure outstanding. Even The Guarnerius Caper & Paniolo have their appeal. It was an excellent string of intelligent stories and incredible acting. That soliloquy from the Paniolo always resonates with me. He was fighting for his land. "My father was born there, I was born there...You were born there." As Mr. Mike mentioned in his review, it wasn't much of a shove that the Paniolo gave the I.O.U. guy. Curious what happened to his land. Maybe, his daughter inherited it and sold off some to pay the debts. The state of Hawaii probably put it to good use. And A Time To Die was a tense episode. That poor surgeon placed in a tight vice. WO FAT was a complex man. Playing chess with the girl but knowing she would be sacrificed if things went wrong. John H made a good call on the McG & Fed arguments but each man brought up good points and were leaders for a reason. The Coast Guard inspections were pure genius. It worked because McG started a few boats down. You can see the tension build as they watched McG get closer. Loved when the criminal said, "I was just about to cast off." That was emotional when the surgeon ran towards his daughter. Reminded me of A Jury Of One when the juror sees his daughter and how happy he is. Then changes his verdict. Classic HFO is on a level of greatness few reach. John

Added: Saturday 17 October 2015 13:48:50 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

Regarding the latest episode, a couple of observations.

During the "art drop" Hirsch exchanges phones and clothes in a restaurant in Waikiki. As demonstrated by the shirt he wears afterwards, Hirsch was indeed at Cheeseburger in Paradise. Located on Kalakaua and Kealohilani in Waikiki. The restaurant name was no doubt inspired by the Jimmy Buffet song of the same name. Buffet has no interest in the restaurant but sued over the name. I believe there was some sort of settlement. Buffet has his own establishment near by.

Also, in the same scenes, one of the Five-O team is staked out near a standing surfboard. That board is a historical marker on the Waikiki Historical Trail. It's marker #4, Prince Jonah Kuhio, on a trail of over 20 markers. I tried to locate all the markers on my last trip but came up short on one or two as well as a couple of the markers are missing. Here's a picture of the marker. The restaurant and the marker are within in a short block of each other.

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/114512733

Added: Saturday 17 October 2015 10:35:45 MST


Submitted by: John H
From: Canada

Bad weather has me cycling indoors again so two more episodes to report on, the first two from season 3,

"time to die". Contrary to recent episodes that were better than I remembered I walked away disapointed from this one. High points included a different side of Wo Fat very well played by Khigh, and a well played part by the doctor. The story was good and made for high tension. The weakness of the episode for me was the whole "McG versus the Feds" thing, I never really found that aspect of H5O entertaining. Perhaps it parellels the "carguments" of the remake? A good episode but not great. One thing I always liked about this episode is the setting at the Hilton, whenever I'm in Honolulu I always stay there and always in a corner room (love having two balconies for breezes in bed) so its neat to see them on H5O. The shots in the room are not on location btw

"trouble". This was a great episode, don't know where to begin. Acting was great all around; Gardino was even better than in the previous episode he did, Wilson did an outstanding job both acting and singing. Selzer also aced his role (as he did many times). A great bit is when McG asks the guy in the bar to sit down, classic! Lord although overshadowed (quite unusual) by the guests stars was bang on with the aspect of McG I always liked best; strong, intense man of action (as opposed to the lecturer of later seasons not to mention wearer of scarves and odd hats!)

What was also appreciated were the nuances of the story, drug dealer who wasn't just a bad guy in it for money, presenting the complex hard drug problem of that time in a realistic way rarely seen especially back then.

To top it off the timing was great with a nice building story pacing leading to a climactic ending, H5O at its best. I'm surprised this episode wasn't used as a season opener. Extra bonuses included great footage of the shell which is hardly ever used today and of course the music (both the featured songs and the regular soundtrack) did its job perfectly.

This is now my favorite H5O episode!

Added: Saturday 17 October 2015 06:56:40 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

I agree, John C. Season 3 was the best.
As for how many stars I would give to "Beautiful Screamer," it increased after I re-watched the episode just the other day. Perhaps, I saw something in it that I had not seen before. I don't know, but I came away feeling better about it than I have before. Maybe 3 stars.

Added: Friday 16 October 2015 19:28:06 MST


Submitted by: Joekido
From: Colorado Springs

For some reason I decided to not watch the show tonight. Maybe it's starting to wear off.

Added: Friday 16 October 2015 19:23:33 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Classic HFO Fans
Agree with John H about the Governor. He was an excellent actor and could pass as a Governor. I think he was an underrated part of HFO success. Appeared in all 12 seasons. McG and the Governor had a good friendship. They had some good discussions. Like Chin Ho in Cry, Lie. The evidence was mounting on Chin and McG stuck up for Chin's integrity and outstanding work. Also in Kiss The Queen Goodbye when McG argued about postponing the ceremony with the Fake Queen out there. Governor talked about invitations sent and people already arriving. Good points both sides. They had some good discussion in All The King's Horses about Mike Finney. McG brought up good points about a man serving his time and he found nothing criminal in his investigation of him. The Hearing was already sent in motion though. Poor McG was forced to serve the subpoena on Finney. You should enjoy Season 3 John H. My pick for strongest season Classic HFO. Beautiful Screamer, Trouble In Mind, The Second Shot and other Classics. Question Of The Day: What rating in stars would you place on Beautiful Screamer on a 4 star scale? John

Added: Friday 16 October 2015 17:20:44 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

I don't remember where I saw it. I probably googled her name and looked at the images.

Added: Friday 16 October 2015 12:15:59 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

What was the picture?

I looked up her work credits on Wikipedia. She has a long list of shows she has been on.

Added: Friday 16 October 2015 10:36:01 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

Rainbow, I'm unfamiliar with her, but I did look her up based on your suggestion. Does one picture speak 1,000 words, or was it a bad picture? I wouldn't know. You and Vrinda would know far better than I. Maybe you ought to move me to a different committee.

Added: Friday 16 October 2015 10:11:06 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Rainbow, the problem with Tricia Helfer is that her name sounds like "Heifer," which means she is a COW!!

Of course, I am being stupid. But you should see the "fan reaction" to Michelle Borth's return to and departure from Five-Zero on IMDB recently. It is full of stupidity like "She had a face job," "She just might be pregnant," "She looks swollen from cheek and lip fillers," "Her voice is off," "She had work done on her cheekbones," "She had a nose job," etc., etc.

Some idiot even said words to the effect "her tits are not big enough." I can't find this posting, otherwise I would suggest they Google search "michelle borth naked" (without the quotes). WARNING: this will lead you to a very graphic compilation of clips from her HBO show Tell Me You Love Me, which was about couples participating in sexual therapy. Borth was very naked and engaged in encounters which seemed sexually explicit, though I read somewhere they were actually not.

As far as the size of MB's tits are concerned, I would say they are quite adequate, and bring to mind Frank Zappa's comment that "more than a mouthful is wasted."

Added: Friday 16 October 2015 09:51:00 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

H50:

What's wrong with Tricia Helfer? I mentioned her because she played a Texas Ranger in this very brief ABC show called "Killer Women" or something to that effect and I thought she played a strong woman ranger who didn't take any guff from anyone. I thought she could act, but don't know much about her.

Has she been involved in a scandal or something, or does she have a bad reputation? I don't know much about her other than that one show, but you seem to really dislike her. How come? Curious.

Added: Friday 16 October 2015 07:15:35 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

John H. said, "And you must admit that Richard Denning is utterly believable as governor; the look, the voice, the mannerisms of a seasoned politician, perfect!"

He really is! I'd vote for him, too! (Where are the seasoned politicians when we need them?)

Added: Friday 16 October 2015 05:04:31 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Oops, you're right Mr. Mike. I must have been thinking of that other great thespian Fong Kam! ;)

Added: Friday 16 October 2015 04:18:46 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Whatcha talkin' 'bout, Ringfire, Kam Fong never was nominated for an Oscar!!

Added: Thursday 15 October 2015 21:39:49 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"highlights the acting limitations of Kam Fong"

What acting limitations, bruddah??! The man was Oscar-nominated 3 times!!

Added: Thursday 15 October 2015 17:19:41 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

John H.: Good commentary. I particularly liked your "Kiss the Queen Goodbye" commentary. It's an enjoyable episode. And I agree that James MacArthur couldn't handle major parts in the show.

Good info on the real Chinn Ho.

Added: Thursday 15 October 2015 17:18:50 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

Mike, we don't know what format the new show would take. Although I think the pilot was in the right church, it definitely wasn't in the right pew. No offense to Jack, Dana Wynter, and Andrew Duggan, but they were too old. Of course, in those days, the boss was older. Not so, anymore.

If Admiral Henderson had called Dana Ryan (Jared Martin) and let him put his team of Truck (Moe), Karen Holt (Jo Ann Harris), and one more for a foursome (like McG, Danno, Chin Ho, and Kono), the show would have been much stronger.

Also, if they had used different cars, different locations, etc. than H50, the show also would have shown better. I remember wondering what was going on. There were Jack, Moe, A. Duggan, the black Ford Galaxie, and the Makai Research Pier, but where were the palace, the black Mercury, and Danno, Chin Ho, and Kono? So, in a real sense, M Station would best be shot on a different island. No problem; the military's active on all of them.

Rainbow's suggestions for Jason O'Mara, Paige Turco, and Melina Kankaredes are good ones (Sorry, Rainbow, the other woman you mentioned isn't my idea of what this show should be about).

As for AOL, he's OUT!!!

As for you, Mike, give it a chance. Every successful outcome begins with a single idea, and Rainbow's idea for M Station is a good one!

Added: Thursday 15 October 2015 15:34:24 MST


Submitted by: John H
From: Canada

Finished Season 2 of the real show and I compared my observations with those of Mike...

"Cry, Lie" is a good episode but it highlights the acting limitations of Kam Fong but neat to get a (slight) glimpse of a his personal life.

"Most Likely" was a good episode but again I felt that the weak acting of James MacArthur took away from the story. Two episodes in a row touching on the personal lives of the main characters highlights that this show was outside the "comfort zone" of the acting range of many cast members.

"Nightmare" seemed to be a sedated episode, poor acting by the guest stars ruined what could have been a compelling story.

"Three cows" was very good, tense and exciting. Ed Flanders did very well and Loretta Swit (who I never liked as an actress) did a good job despite having to deal with a character who was unrealistically developed in the script. I caught one neat piece of trivia towards the end... in the surfers shack there is a poster that says Peace Magazine, probably a leftover prop from the season 1 episode "Not that different"

"Kiss the Queen" was better than I remembered, Joanne Linville's weirdness actually added to the episode and I liked the speech by the governor; it gave 1970 viewers a bit of insight into what makes Hawaii unique even though it sounds trite today. And you must admit that Richard Denning is utterly believable as governor; the look, the voice, the mannerisms of a seasoned politician, perfect!

The scenery shots in this episode are quite nice and the location is interesting; The Makaha Inn was brand new at the time (perhaps not even opened) and was built by Chinn Ho who also built the Ilikai htoel in Waikiki. The Makaha Inn was a bust from day one and has fallen in and out of bankruptcy since then. It is currently closed and the golf course was abandoned a few years back. While you can still see it on google Maps I believe it was or is being demolished in 2015. What came over Chinn (a builder who had a golden touch otherwise) to build a resort that was not on the coast and on the leeward side of the island which had and still has basically zero tourist traffic is a mystery.

On to season 3.

Added: Thursday 15 October 2015 13:56:52 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Mike: "Vrinda, we are talking about a show which will appear on network TV that is vying to get ratings and stay on the air, not Masterpiece Theater, right?"

Since when is Masterpiece Theater the standard for acting and directing? I've seen some pretty lackluster shows on there. There are network shows that get by without all the flashy action and violence I mentioned. It can be done. [Vrinda, I hate explaining things to people who "don't get it," and you know exactly what I am talking about here... - MQ]

Added: Thursday 15 October 2015 12:58:00 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Mike:

That is true that we have heard this before, but it is all about the writers. When you get a chance to view them, you should check out the large amount of great network shows on the air because of superior writing. "The Blacklist" has the best writing on television, then you have "Gotham", "Scorpion", "NCIS New Orleans" and "Blue Bloods." All of those shows are not real original but it is the great writing that makes them seem fresh and exciting and impossible to miss each week.

"Scorpion" is basically "The Mod Squad" updated for the modern age but it has great casting, and the writers infused it with a heart and soul. "The Blacklist" is basically like "The Fugitive" only with a espionage angle. "Blue Bloods" has been written about here many times by others in the way that it's writing gives it power, emotion and heart in updating a standard police story.

In today's TV age, everything has been done, but if you have great writing and great casting, anything can become successful. So, I hear you points, but what the new Five-o never had was either great writing or casting from the jump. All I will say is that I can tell you that great writing does still get noticed in today's TV marketplace because it is so rare. It is and always will be about the writers.

Added: Thursday 15 October 2015 12:23:13 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Vrinda, we are talking about a show which will appear on network TV that is vying to get ratings and stay on the air, not Masterpiece Theater, right?

Rainbow, re your comment "We're just taking the title of the show and not the storyline that they had in 1980," where have we heard this before?

As far as Ed Bernero's participation in the show is concerned (mentioned elsewhere), I don't think so. Look what his remake was supposed to be like (admittedly this is very heavily filtered through someone who reportedly read Bernero's script): http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/bernero-script.htm

Added: Thursday 15 October 2015 11:49:54 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Mike,

You missed the point. We're just taking the title of the show and not the storyline that they had in 1980. You can use character names like H50 did but you can develop the show much further than what they did in 1980. Same title, maybe same characters, but a more advanced storyline. C'mon Danno Get with it!

We're not using the script they had from 1980. I thought I had said that below. Plus, with everything going on in the world today in terms of foreign affairs, there is more than enough material!

Added: Thursday 15 October 2015 09:27:59 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Mike, there is plenty that could be done with the storyline: "... naval intelligence agents that protect the US and Canada on the Pacific side from the Chinese, North Koreans and the Russians along with terrorists."

There are a variety of storylines that can be done with that idea. As long as they keep shootouts, explosions, and submarine warfare to a minimum and focus on plot and dialogue, we won't have the mess we have with the new show.

Added: Thursday 15 October 2015 10:50:22 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Turn M Station Hawaii into a show these days? You guys must be kidding. I'm sure the reason that this show wasn't picked up in 1980 and turned into a series is because it was pretty boring (see http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/mstation.htm). How can you expand this kind of one-note show into a 24-episode season? No matter how good the stories are, who, other than the 3 or 4 people on this forum who like the idea, is going to watch it? Be careful what you ask for, O'Loughlin's contract is up soon! :D

Added: Thursday 15 October 2015 08:34:32 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

For ADM Henderson I would recommend Jason O'Mara. He's a good solid actor who has done a fine job in two network shows that were very good but only lasted for one year because ABC and CBS didn't give them more time to find an audience. He's the type of guy that fits your description H50 and like Jack Lord in 1968 he is looking for the role that defines him. Read about him here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_O%27Mara

I would also suggest these three actresses which would be Jason's wife Paige Turco, and Tricia Helfer and Melina Kankaredes.

Added: Thursday 15 October 2015 07:04:47 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

Okay. Let's keep a list:

Creator: Jack Lord
Producer: Ed Bernero
Casting: Rainbow, Vrinda, H50 1.0 FOREVER
ADM Henderson: ?

Suggestions for ADM Henderson: Two names that come up are Peter Krause and Jeremy Piven. After all, he can't be too young, too old, or too contemporary to look good in an admiral's uniform.

Added: Wednesday 14 October 2015 12:52:31 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

This'll be sweet! (cracks knuckles).

Who do we get to play Admiral Henderson?

Added: Wednesday 14 October 2015 11:33:57 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Yes, H50 as long as you, me, and Vrinda have the authority over casting!

Added: Wednesday 14 October 2015 06:58:29 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

Ed Bernero is his name. We'll get Ed to get "M Station: Hawaii" going.

Added: Tuesday 13 October 2015 17:01:17 MST


Submitted by: Joekido
From: Colorado Springs

Wow, three bad episodes in a row and this show still has fans. When are people are going to realize that Lenkov is not a good showrunner and the reboot is actually a failure? Good thing I did not watch any episodes due to going out on Friday night.

Added: Tuesday 13 October 2015 15:36:38 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

Bravo, Rainbow! I like that idea! Let's hire the man who wanted to write the remake.

Added: Tuesday 13 October 2015 14:07:44 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Some people I know in Hawaii said they stopped watching the new show after Season 1 or 2. They didn't care for the bickering between Steve and Danno or the over-the-top violence, and the lack of local actors in the main cast.

Whenever I spoke to people who commented on the new show, the first thing they said was that it was creating jobs for people in Hawaii, but that was all the good commentary they said.

Added: Tuesday 13 October 2015 11:23:46 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Mike,

To quote John Cleese in "Cheers".....I hope the show promises to kill itself in the most disgusting manner possible. Please end.

..and for all the types that will post about all the jobs it creates in Hawaii then here's the solution. Create a new show called "M Station Hawaii about naval intelligence agents that protect the US and Canada on the Pacific side from the Chinese, North Koreans and the Russians along with terrorists. That could be a tribute to Jack Lord with a new cast, new writers, and get rid of Lenkov etc. Start over with new idea, move on.

Added: Tuesday 13 October 2015 08:10:12 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I have figured out what's with this Catherine business, of her leaving, the relationship ending, etc., etc. We will find out near the end of the season from McGarrett's returning mother that Catherine is really HIS HALF-SISTER! (Speculate on who you think the father is, maybe Joe White? LOL!) BUT ... McG and Cath "did it" ... EWWWWWWWW! Or did they? (This is starting to sound like Luke and Leia.) Maybe McG suffers from impotence because of his PTSD (a theme which is yet to be developed, though someone like Lenkov has mentioned it), and they really didn't consummate their relationship? When Doris tells her son this shocking revelation, he will kill himself, and the show will end.

Added: Monday 12 October 2015 15:37:09 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Banned TV shows ... includes you-know-what, though the description isn't particularly accurate:

http://www.ifc.com/shows/the-spoils-before-dying/blog/2015/06/10-tv-episodes-banned-from-reruns

Added: Monday 12 October 2015 12:06:13 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

CLASSIC HFO FANS
I think new HFO has creative stories. It was amazing when the gun shot up through the water last episode killing the person. Maybe, I'm in the minority but I like Jerry. He's very intelligent & conspiracy-thinking but right most of the time. Think all the things Jerry was right on from the criminal enterprise at the bookstore to the jamming of the frequency to stop the killing drone. He's like Nancy Drew right most of the time.
Agree with most of the Classic HFO fans that the early casting hurt the new HFO. Danny just wasn't right fit. However, I think he is a good father to Gracie. Steve McG Alex has a strong inner strength and is a good leader of the team. Like the mobility of this HFO squad and the computer technology & info. I agree this Catherine relationship drags things down. It seems new HFO wanted to be all things to all people. Part detective, soap opera, comedy,and crime drama. We probably won't be talking about new HFO episodes 40 yrs from now like the old show. Still in this fast food and sound byte generation, HFO making it 6 years is something to be proud of. John

Added: Sunday 11 October 2015 23:44:44 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

From last Friday's show, a couple of observations.

This was the second episode in a row where the main plot crime suspect was not caught.

And, when Jerry gets his Kamekona shrimp lunch delivered, Kamekona brings it a bag that says Kame-to-go-na. I thought that was funny.

Added: Sunday 11 October 2015 19:03:21 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Great post Jeff, I'm in total agreement. It's a horrible show and the main reason why is from day one the writing has been downright awful and the show runners have never had any idea of what TYPE of show they wanted, so they settle on a hodgepodge of everything.

The casting was bad, the writing even worse, and the show should have been canceled after last season. Enough already!.... get it off the air!

Added: Sunday 11 October 2015 09:59:14 MST


Submitted by: Jeff
From: Durham, N.C.

Last night, particularly the last 10 minutes, did it for me. I'm pretty much now through with the "new" Hawaii 5-0. It hasn't improved one iota and certain things, particularly that dweeb Jerry (Jorge Garcia) and his moronic story-line just have made a below-average show that much worse if possible.

Even though I mostly was in and out of last night's show (actually mostly out, choosing instead to watch the baseball playoffs and WNBA finals for most of the hour), what finally did it for me was the apparent permanent breakup between Catherine and McGarrett. Why the hell did those lunatic script-writers bring back Michelle Borth in several shows late last season, and 3 this season when what they all apparently had in mind was to remove her character out again from future plot lines?

Watching the scene in front of the house as Catherine crying could only reply back to Steve's wishes that she please stay close to him (and in a relationship hopefully culminating in marriage) that she wanted more in her life made me want to scream. Catherine, the guy clearly loves you -- for God's sake stay with him, don't run off again. When Steve then asked Catherine what exactly this meant (besides running off to Nepal), she could not give him a straight answer other than the fact that she loved him like crazy. Pardon my French, but WTF!!

Then after leaving in the fancy SUV, Catherine receives a call from some mysterious security official (CIA? FBI? Homeland Security?) and we find out that in breaking up with Steve that her trip to Nepal was nothing but a big, fat lie!

I did see the scene near the Hawaii coastline and isolated beach area between Catherine and Danno earlier in the episode. Catherine lied to Danno as well. Danno was to tell Catherine how much she meant to his friend McGarrett as a possible life-long partner. Danno pleaded with Catherine not to leave Hawaii. She reassured Danno (again, as it turned out, lying) that she was not going anywhere and would remain in Hawaii for the foreseeable future.

Geez, I'm now so done with that show! The only reason why I wanted to watch it, with all the other stupid plot lines taking place weekly (including the Kono/Adam/Yakuza storyline), was to see McGarrett finally propose to Catherine, she accept his proposal and eventually they get married. If anything to have the show graced weekly with the gorgeous presence of Michelle Borth.

Now with the relationship apparently over, McGarrett telling Catherine just before she left him to go on her "mission," that he would not continue waiting around for her in his future -- much as he did last season when she was still in Afghanistan. Or really was Catherine ever still in Afghanistan? The season before last did Catherine also receive a mysterious phone call (not actually seen in an episode), and instead of being in Afghanistan for all we know Catherine could have been in Indonesia or the North Pole!

Geez, Lenkov, Orci, and Kurtzman, the show's co-exec producers are so completely clueless as to why their show is so bad. The script writing done by their crack staff is just putrid, that's the #1 reason!

I can only surmise that the only reason H 5-0 has not been cancelled yet is that those three must be in bed financially or have some sort of extra pull/favoritism with the CBS head execs. Otherwise any other show of this mediocre caliber would have long gone by now. Is CBS a glutton for punishment and willing to continue supporting a show that people have left in droves, no longer stomaching the thought in having to watch such mediocrity week after week?

As of last night especially with that annoying and inconceivable breakup between Catherine and Steve, I no longer care to waste an hour of my life every Friday night with this stupid show! An hour, each Friday that I will never get back in my life!!!

Added: Saturday 10 October 2015 16:40:44 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Last night's show reviewed:

http://mjq.net/fiveo/2010-log6.htm#3

Added: Saturday 10 October 2015 10:59:05 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I received this notice yesterday...

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Added: Friday 09 October 2015 09:03:32 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Todd, I trust you realize that we are only in season >six< of the new show. Some people who uploaded dubs of the last episode to various "sharing" sites mistakenly labelled it as S07E02 (meaning episode two of season >seven<), which I thought pretty funny. Maybe this is wishful thinking that it is the seventh season, and considering some of the actors reportedly have seven-year contracts, it would be the last.

Added: Friday 09 October 2015 08:54:14 MST


Submitted by: Todd
From: Los Angeles, CA

I agree with your review that episode #2 of Season 7 was NOT good.

Not only were there several dumb situations where the cops acted recklessly given that they were dealing with a bomber (resulting in the death of at least 2 of them), but the crime itself was solved simply by the once-super-careful criminal forgetting to wear a mask. Like, every other time he covered his face with at least a hat and sunglasses, yet when he left the van in front of the Iolani Palace, he left himself open for the cameras to see. So all that investigating beforehand was useless, including the guy who helped him write the letters.

The killer's motivation seemed to change between wanting media recognition and some kind of obsession with Duclair. Which one was it? They couldn't even get that consistent.

The whole plot of being extorted into releasing a serial arsonist in order to stop a truck bomb (after every had already cleared out) was ridiculous. I was sure they were going to have a plan to trick Duclair -- not actually release him!

Tons of plot holes in this one. Interestingly, I felt "old" Five-O was at its best in Season 7. So far, this one isn't.

Added: Thursday 08 October 2015 14:02:58 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

On the on going debate on the old show vs. new show, it must be said again that the new show has nothing in common with the old show other than the name and the locale with the exception of "Hookman" and August March. Take that away and it's just the modern way of displaying entertainment television shows these days.

That said, I watch the show and think it's entertaining although I'd appreciate a lot more plot and a lot less personal drama.

Now a question. In the latest episode, Jerry mentioned that he's tired of working with shrimp. On the previous season finale, Kamekona said he was starting up a new business and the nuclear blast would be bad for the shrimp business for the next three months, which conveniently lines up with the summer television break. What happened to Kamekona's new business? I think it was catamaran rides, but I may be wrong on that. I'm not expecting answers, just bringing up the point that they haven't continued that story line.

Added: Thursday 08 October 2015 10:29:10 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Last episode, finally reviewed (I am fighting a bad cold):

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/2010-log6.htm#2

Added: Thursday 08 October 2015 00:28:38 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

This article was written four years ago, and I'm sure I have referred to it before. How much of this is still true?!?

http://kenlevine.blogspot.ca/2011/10/why-hawaii-5-0-is-big-fucking-mess.html

Added: Tuesday 06 October 2015 08:41:18 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Syndicated TV ratings are here:

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/category/weekly-tv-ratings-rankings/nielsen-weekly-top-syndicated-tv-show-ratings/

I don't see Five-Zero, though Blue Bloods is consistently in the top 25.

Added: Tuesday 06 October 2015 08:25:48 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Does anyone know how successful the new show reruns are?

I can't imagine the syndicated reruns of the new show are watched by many people. It has to be like CSI, NYPD Blue, Hill Street Blues, or ER where no one watches the reruns and as a result they are almost never shown on TV anymore!

Added: Tuesday 06 October 2015 06:50:13 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Thanks, H50 1.0.

I always hear people praise the new show in general, but rarely do they describe specific episodes they liked and why, like we do with the original show.

They talk about the new show in generalisms - the "bromance" between Steve and Danno, the "carguments," the "ohana" feeling, the relationships storylines - all things that run through each episode to the point where no one episode stands out on its own and they all look similar, barring a few like the Pearl Harbor and Internal Affairs ones. That doesn't make for a memorable show and makes all the episodes look like one big mish-mash.

Added: Monday 05 October 2015 20:42:50 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

You nailed it, Vrinda. Maybe John needs to start a game where he and his kids watch an episode, and he quizzes them about the subtle nuances. It might just teach them how to be observant.

Added: Monday 05 October 2015 18:35:34 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

John, you've got to ask your kids how they can pay attention to anything on the new show when they're glued to their smartphones. It's clear they're not paying a lick of attention to the new one. Ask them what plotlines from the new show they like, and to describe favorite episodes. I bet they won't be able to.

They don't like the original show because you like it. That's typical teenage behavior. It's also because they don't have the patience or the attention span to follow it. The new show's insipid dialogue, violence, fancy gadgetry, and soap opera subplots that go nowhere are what attract many younger viewers today - and even then, they don't remember any of it.

Added: Monday 05 October 2015 16:40:13 MST


Submitted by: John H
From: Canada

As the weather deteriorates this time of year my cycling moves from the great outdoors to my basement. I have a stationary type trainer set up with a big TV set up in front, which plays only H5O of course. I do 25k equivalent in the time it takes to watch an episode. Beats staring at a wall!

I've picked up where I left of in the fall which is half way through season 2 of the real show. Given that with my sweat dripping off of me I might not pick up every nuance of the episodes I none the less have made certain observations...

1... The change in the personality of McG begins to move in what I consider to be the wrong direction, from an aggressive man of action to eventually a leisure suit wearing, helicopter riding, long winded lecturer.

2... That being said there are some great episodes here. Starting with the season opener "A thousand pardons", "King Kam blues", "Run Johnny" and "killer bee".

3... And even the bad episodes have a more exciting energy to them than those in later seasons. I think its a mixture of the cast being younger and still excited about the then new show combined with the late 60's simply being a more dynamic era in American history than the 70's

4... Lastly watching the original show reminds me of my age! The slowly building pacing and strong story development leading to a well earned arrest is a pleasure to watch especially compared to the ADHD-like fast talking, music blaring stress inducing remake with only about 10 minutes per episode related to the actual crime of the week.

Sorry for the rant, I'm just frustrated that my (4) teen aged kids hate the original and love the new one (despite playing on their phones and doing homework all while watching it).

Back on the bike tonight for "Cry, lie"

Added: Monday 05 October 2015 12:48:43 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

All you need to know about this stupid show.

McGarrett asks Duclair why he is at the restaurant with him telling him where to find the other arsonist and Duclair says something to him "that freedom is my prison, my thoughts torture me to commit arson when I'm out. I'm better when I'm locked up and I know I can't do anything." Okay....so why break out in the first place then if you're better off in prison? It defeats the whole point of the episode.

Then they don't even bring back Melina Kanakaredes for this episode when it would have been natural for them to do so when she was only one of the very few good things about this ridiculous idiotic program in the past five years.

How has this show lasted for a sixth season when much better shows sometimes only last one!

Added: Sunday 04 October 2015 09:52:11 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

There is another goof from the same scene reported on IMDB by Dave-988:

Danny ran in one direction after Sinclair [he means "Duclair"], and Steve after the other bomber. At one point Danny finds Sinclair's boots, kneels down to verify the tracker was still in the shoe insert, then stands up while talking on the phone. As he stands up, you can see in upper right hand corner a person dressed exactly as Alex O'Loughlin was as Steve McGarrett. The head is cut off, but you can see the blue shirt and jeans as he's watching Scott's scene unfold.

Added: Sunday 04 October 2015 09:17:37 MST


Submitted by: John H
From: Canada

Caught a bit of sloppy filming in the episode last night; when the orange jump suited guy is being dropped off in the muddy field the door opens on the Camaro and there is already lots of lepo (dirt) on the inner door sill and on the shoes of danno and the prisoner. When the camera pans back to the door you can see the mud has been wiped off. Then when danno gets back in the car the mud has returned again.

Added: Saturday 03 October 2015 17:26:40 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

There were several stupid scenes in this show, all relating to explosions, which I thought was going to turn into SCTV's Farm Film Report, where people "blowed up real good."

A bunch of cops storm the house of a suspect with a ramming device, KABLAM! No one bothers to case the place out first, especially since it is connected with A BOMBER.

Then there is a van parked outside the Iolani Palace filled with explosives. Chin Ho and Grover clear the area, then they approach the truck! Talk about dumb -- maybe it would blow up?

And another suspect's house is broken into by Five-0. Again, no one bothers to check it out ahead of time or consider that it is booby-trapped (it is not).

At the end of the show, not one, but two guys, a crazy bomber with what appear to be very serious sexual and mental problems and an arsonist (the now-imprisoned Jason Duclair, who threatened ATF agent Kathy Milwood (Melina Kanakaredes) last season), manage to escape in the middle of nowhere and the cops can't track them down. Duclair subsequently appears at a swanky Honolulu restaurant where he meets with McGarrett while he is bleeding heavily from a wound in his leg.

I thought that Catherine was going to get "blowed up" near the end too, but she survived to live another episode.

Kono and Adam's problems continue, with them living at Kono's place, kind of a dumb idea. They were ferried by there by Jerry who complained about his job with Kamekona's shrimp shack, somehow managing to work the phrase "poop chute" into the show for the second time in his conversation with them. ("And, unless they're butterflied correctly, you're eating their poop chute.")

Some of the music in this show was grotesquely loud.

Overall, I found it difficult to watch this horribly violent episode after the horrible violence in Oregon the day before.

Added: Friday 02 October 2015 22:38:28 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Thanks, Rainbow. I don't know what was going on in the minds of the producers and network execs when they did the casting for this show, but it looks like everything that could have gone wrong went wrong. Scott Caan is one of the last people I would ever think of to play Danno. It's not like there's a dearth of good actors out there who would have killed to play that role, and appreciated the break and not complained about the lifestyle in Hawaii.

Added: Friday 02 October 2015 21:49:34 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Exactly Vrinda, the big cast shakeup needed to be to get rid of Scott Caan as Danny Williams and it would be really hard to do that. How do you get rid of the next biggest character next to Steve McGarrett without creating some really ridiculous storyline. The answer is you can't. The biggest casting mistake of the show which was the Danny Williams character had to be done right BEFORE the show started, and once the show started it is too late to fix that, so once it was screwed up at the beginning it was too late to really fix the show.

What was CBS going to do, use the old soap opera trick and have an announcer say at the beginning of the show "The part of Danny Williams is now being played by.."

Added: Friday 02 October 2015 06:50:39 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

What he does with casting, he has to know one thing: If he got rid of Alex O'Loughlin, a big chunk of the fandom would leave. When I look at fansites and message boards, the majority of posters talk about Alex and that they're watching because of him. A smaller number comment on watching it solely because of the other actors.

Maybe Moonves did change something in the casting. Look at the actors they added: Terry O'Quinn, Lauren German, Chi McBride, Masi Oka, etc. Their presence didn't make the show better, but it did lessen the presence of the main cast members, which might have been Moonves's bone of contention.

Added: Thursday 01 October 2015 20:52:24 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I ran what you said about Moonves past a friend of mine who is in the TV business. He replied: "If Moonves didn't like the 'new' Five-0 (this hardly seems the case now), he'd have intervened eons ago -- not to cancel it or anything, because his big thing is casting. He would definitely have shaken up the main cast. Also, he's a money guy — as long as the ratings hold up, he wouldn't get involved -- except, possibly, at the casting level.

Added: Thursday 01 October 2015 19:34:57 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

"Are you referring to some other more recent company, like the one doing the Jack Lord biography? Is that outfit called "Unitel Video"?"

Yes, that's the one I'm referring to. There is no German company involved. This is the Unitel that is doing the post production stuff on the Jack Lord biography.

I didn't ask if anyone commented on the new show, since it was irrelevant to the project they were doing and would not be part of their line of questioning. The producer told me this on his own. The head of Unitel knows Moonves, and got him to do the interview.

I said I don't know if he said this on tape or not, but he did tell them that. It's no controversy, since whether he likes the new show or not is not the deciding factor and is not going to cause an apocalypse.

As long as the cash comes in, they'll keep it going, but Moonves made that statement as his own opinion and on artistic merits.

You can call it hearsay if you want, but when the original Hawaii Five-O was on the air, network execs at CBS were doing something similar. They and agents and casting directors would warn the actors before going to Hawaii about what Jack Lord could be like - not an appropriate move on the network's part for a show which was also their cash cow at the time, but they did it anyway. Some actors told me this directly.

Added: Thursday 01 October 2015 11:56:58 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

P.S. To make it clear, no interview was released yet, and they're not sure when it's going to be.

Added: Thursday 01 October 2015 11:20:52 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Vrinda, what have just said isn't clarifying the issue. You say, "if you read my post, you would see that I said that Unitel Video, did a filmed interview with Moonves for a DVD set of interviews with people who worked on Hawaii Five-O or CBS." But that is not what you said at all. What you said was: "Unitel interviewed Les Moonves, and he said he doesn't like the new show and doesn't watch it."

To me, "Unitel" is the name of a German company which created a lot of classical music productions on video. Obviously it is not that. There is another "Unitel Video" which is referenced on this page: http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Unitel_Video, but that company went bankrupt in 1999. Are you referring to some other more recent company, like the one doing the Jack Lord biography? Is that outfit called "Unitel Video"?

In any case, for Moonves to say bad things about the show doesn't make any sense at all, because if you do Google searches for what he has said about Five-0, he said that it was a billion-dollar franchise, based on the syndication deals that CBS is doing. The guy seems a bit optimistic, assuming he is talking about $5 million per episode, which is less than the TNT deal. Does he expect the show to run for 200 episodes to reach the billion dollar milestone? (God forbid.)

I think it very unlikely that Moonves would be bad-mouthing such a cash cow. Furthermore, from what I can interpret from your most recent post, this is something that Moonves reportedly said, yet it is not on the public record. (I'm sure if it was, this would have been front-page news at Variety, The Hollywood Reporter, etc.)

Seriously, this sounds like a lot of hearsay.

Added: Thursday 01 October 2015 11:15:41 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Mike, if you read my post, you would see that I said that Unitel Video, did a filmed interview with Moonves for a DVD set of interviews with people who worked on Hawaii Five-O or CBS. When they contacted Moonves, who told them this. I was told this by the producer who is doing work with them on another project on Jack Lord. Whether Moonves said this on tape I don't know, but he did tell them that.

Added: Thursday 01 October 2015 10:38:58 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Maybe Vrinda would like to tell us where she heard this news that Moonves doesn't like the remake. I did a Google and Google News search for this and couldn't come up with anything.

Added: Thursday 01 October 2015 08:00:15 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

It's good that Moonves is being honest as the new show is crap, and has always been crap with the exception of some moments of enlightenment.

If you look at some of the new one hour shows that are currently on you can see that Moonves is right that it wasn't a good remake. Shows like Gotham, Scorpion, NCIS New Orleans, Blacklist, and Sleepy Hollow are all in their second or third years and show what the new Five-O could have been. The new Five-O should have been canned after last year but it's still around with the same old tired act.

I will say this. I'm not a watcher of NCIS. I never liked the show, as I thought it was just odd. It doesn't do anything for me, where it's spinoff NCIS: New Orleans I really like. I don't get the appeal of the original NCIS, but it must have something because it's the show that millions of people love in this country, but I never "got it" with that program. I'm also resentful of it, because NCIS was a spin off of JAG which was one of the great shows of all time, and CBS basically abandoned JAG in favor of NCIS. To me NCIS is an odd duck of a show and isn't compelling but I'm in the minority on that, so I guess it's me.

Added: Thursday 01 October 2015 07:11:40 MST


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