Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- October 2012

The Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- October 2012


The following are archived comments from October 2012. After looking around, please add your own comments!

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Submitted by: John Hall
From: Montreal

It looked to me like the polo field mentioned by Kimo was actually the stable grounds at the Turtle Bay Resort. If you watch carefully you can see the beach villas in the background.

I know the area well as I managed to crash a Segway right there this spring :!cry:

Added: Wednesday 31 October 2012 17:32:35 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

There is no doubt that Rest in Peace is a cool episode. But one thing about it bothers me. Cameron pokes a hole in the tin of paint with a screwdriver (or whatever), slops paint all over McGarrett's desk, and then has enough paint to make a trail which goes all the way from McG's office, down two flights of stairs, and around to the Governor's office where he splashes yet more paint on the door. This is a LONG WAY in real life! I seriously doubt there would be enough paint to last for this entire distance.

As far as Danny Kamekona (subtitles spell this Kamakona, BTW) being called "Dr. Rosenstadt" is concerned, he is only called this in the end titles. In the show itself he is only referred to by his real name. Obviously someone didn't pass the message along to whoever created the end titles.

I am revising my review of this show, check it out soon for some totally mindless trivia!

Added: Wednesday 31 October 2012 17:13:56 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

I hope this goes through. Bitly is still coming up with that mountain bike link.

Where in the World is Five-0 Headquarters?
http://www.memoriesofhawaiifive-0.com/five0hq.htm

Added: Wednesday 31 October 2012 17:10:42 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

What is the exact link of the page referred to below?

There is a page on my site about the office moves here:

http://fiveohomepage.com/season9/offices.htm

Added: Wednesday 31 October 2012 14:12:29 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

In response to Big H’s comments and queries:

"- if portions of this ep were actually filmed at the Palace, then there are significant renovations going on at the time. There are bare walls and stripped floors everywhere.”

On March 15, 1969, the new state capitol building opened, and all governmental offices were moved out of ‘Iolani Palace. There followed a ten-year restoration sponsored by The Friends of ‘Iolani Palace. In 1972, when we see "Rest in Peace, Somebody,” the walls in some rooms, notably the Blue Room (reception) and the dining room, both on the main floor, have been removed, while in other rooms, notably the center hall, the walls have been cut to reveal wiring. In this episode, we can see how dirty and worn the grand koawood staircase is. It was completely stripped and refinished and, today, absolutely shines!

This is the last time we see ‘Iolani Palace, except for stock footage, until Season 9’s "Nine Dragons,” in which we see the front of the palace covered by scaffolding. The old lava rock and coral were sandblasted of a century’s accumulation of grime and pollution. In that scene, a sign warns those passing beneath the scaffolding to wear hard hats, but Danno does not.

"- McG opens the double French doors to his portico/veranda in this ep and we see ...would that be the Capitol/Legislative Bldg across the street? (H1F, help me here) This does not look like a process shot to me b/c the palm fronds are moving in the breeze....”

The best answer I can give you, Big H, is illustrated in "Where in the World Is Five-0 Headquarters?” in Memories of Hawaii Five-0. www.memoriesofhawaiifive-0.com.

Hope this helps.

Added: Wednesday 31 October 2012 13:27:29 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"another stellar scene in this ep (that tends to be somewhat overlooked) is the one between the Gov and McG after the Gov is identified as the target. Lord seemed to feed off of and excel in scenes with other great actors and Denning is no exception. They really chew this scene apart like two old pros."

Indeed this was a great scene! Those two really go nose to nose here. McG doesn't want to be disrespectful to the Gov but he keeps insisting that he (the Gov) doesn't grasp the gravity of the situation. I especially love how McG tells him that even if he had a month to prepare he couldn't begin to provide the proper protection for him. I love how both stand firm and won't budge. McG finally offers to resign - of course the Gov won't accept his resignation.

Fantastic scene indeed!

Added: Wednesday 31 October 2012 12:14:21 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

RW & R211:
After reading your comments I was compelled to temporarily break from Season 8 and re-watch "RIP Somebody" again. Here are my parting tidbits on the masterpiece of Season 4:

- we find out from the bus driver that there are 65,000 tourists that move in and out of Honolulu each month...

- when Danno gets down to examine the underside of his car, he gets into the military push-up position on his FINGERTIPS!! Way to go, JMcA!!

- the litany of ad hominems against McG is one the more entertaining aspects of this show...."Sherlock, puppet on a string, lousy cop, great detective (said with dripping sarcasm), hot shot, dummy, stupid, playing judge, and the piece de resistance -- tin idol." McG reacts to all of them like water to a duck...

- if portions of this ep were actually filmed at the Palace, then there are significant renovations going on at the time. There are bare walls and stripped floors everywhere.

- McG opens the double French doors to his portico/veranda in this ep and we see ...would that be the Capitol/Legislative Bldg across the street? (H1F, help me here) This does not look like a process shot to me b/c the palm fronds are moving in the breeze....

- Chin commits a faux pas by referring to the psychological criminal profiler Dr. Rosenstadt (expertly played by Danny Kamekona) as "Dr. Kamekona." Kamekona is in complete control in this scene and it is one of the best in the ep. He would have made an excellent replacement for Zulu at the end of Season 4.

- another stellar scene in this ep (that tends to be somewhat overlooked) is the one between the Gov and McG after the Gov is identified as the target. Lord seemed to feed off of and excel in scenes with other great actors and Denning is no exception. They really chew this scene apart like two old pros.

Added: Wednesday 31 October 2012 10:06:56 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Not to be too cynical or anything, but you have to wonder if the reason CBS pulled Five-O and replaced it with storm coverage was because if they ran Five-O, the ratings would have been even crappier than the crappy ones so far this season, because a lot of people who were involved in "ratings" were under the weather (literally)...

Added: Tuesday 30 October 2012 10:42:38 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

http://lat.ms/S8wn9C

Hurricane Sandy has knocked out CBS' Monday night lineup.

Because many of its stations on the East Coast are already preempting network programming in favor of local storm coverage, CBS has decided in favor of reruns of its Monday sitcoms ("How I Met Your Mother," "Partners," "Two Broke Girls" and "Mike & Molly") from 8-10 p.m. instead of new episodes. From 10-11 p.m. CBS News will program an hour on Hurricane Sandy instead of an episode of "Hawaii Five-0."

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Hmmm, I wonder if the show will air as expected in Canada? Bwahaha!!

Added: Monday 29 October 2012 16:27:54 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Re: Kimo's review - - Oh! Well, that's it, then. This isn't supposed to be drama. It's slapstick comedy. No wonder I haven't understood a thing they've done on that show.

I'll bet I know how it all came about. The producers picked up on the Keystone Kops bit from 1.0's Season 12 episode, "Good Help is Hard to Find." Except, with a dozen producers and probably three dozen would-be writers, everything sorta fell through the cracks, until the Keystone Kops were blasting away in the middle of Ala Moana Boulevard at rush hour, mothers were demeaning their sons' co-workers, and the residential developers/contractors actually managed to overlook a parcel of land in Kahala large enough to use as a polo field.

Thanks for explaining it, Kimo. This is good to know.

P.S. Those residential developers/contractors have managed to build McMansions along the Kahala Avenue rim of the Waialae Golf Course. Anything for a house on the 9th green, I guess.

Added: Monday 29 October 2012 04:49:17 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Waimanalo Polo Fields. aaahahahaa!

Popilikia ep. Means planny trouble. Pilikia is trouble But they get nui loa kine I guess...
Boy, Steve mcgarrett's mom is a real haole snot! She doesn't have local nostalgic anything. Mispronouncing Liliha bakery. jeez. How ungrateful and snide she acted to Chin Ho. Throwing everything back at him in an accusatory I know it all! fashion. "If theres anything I learned in the CIA..." If ya went to the CIA beyotch, you would play along with Chin and ferret out what you need to know after going the length with his schtick.
Kahala is named as the Polo practice field, but there is no such real estate shown in that scene anywhere near kahala.
That was a particularly bloodless beheading at the grounds there. No bloodletting as the head rolled? hmmmm...
Danno seemed pretty enamoured with that ku'uipo fortune teller who inappropriately had tourist hawaii tarot cards. The death card was a lei floating in water?! haaah?! I dislike how each and every person, to the person... walks into a home without taking off their shoes. The most salient of all faux pas for this, a Hawai'i based show. Along with everyone standing around in their own homes with shoes and boots on. fhaaaque!
I particularly love how they call out the suspects name a mile from him, to allow his wikiwiki evasive departure. Then they haveta chase him! They snuck up on him detective like, it would be more effective but much less dramatic and the director will have none of that. The foot chase among the polo match had inappropriate foley work; Those horse sounds, neighs and whinneys would not be heard by horses at full gallup of course!
Whoa theah hoss! Chin sez "they cut off his finger and sent it to the parents as proof of life." This does NOT prove he is alive. Just that, dead OR alive he now (probably) only has nine fingers remaining.
The SUV blast could have used a bit more work; The flames looked superimposed.
More coconut water product placement.
Check out Danno's quite snug oxford shirt. Button poppin time... esp. hospital scene. Wardrobe needs to accomodate and allow for Scott's discovery of our local brews.
More Longboard lagers for the boys again at Kamekona's truck.

Added: Monday 29 October 2012 00:23:26 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

It's pitch black outside now. There were small amounts of rain over here, and heavy winds. The public transportation system is on lockdown. Everyone is fearing the worst.

I can't let it get to me. As they say, "Keep calm and carry on."

Added: Sunday 28 October 2012 16:48:04 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

There has been discussion about whether Wo and Steve are brothers at IMDB. I haven't followed it too closely, but I think some people have demonstrated that this would be difficult, based on the difference in their ages.

Added: Sunday 28 October 2012 16:07:49 MST


Submitted by: Five-0
From: Honolulu

Hey MJQ... what's up with this John Stockton guy from Chicago? Is he for real? ... And John; maybe you should invest in spell check! … Now back to the new Five-0 show… I have heard some people say that it looks like Wo Fat and Steve McGarratt are half brothers. Either that or Wo Fat and Steve's mom were at the least once lovers... What's your take on that? :!cool:

Added: Sunday 28 October 2012 15:37:49 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Well, that's good news! A 7.7 makes one think the walls are collapsing all around. Don't know where it went, but I'm relieved that it missed both you and Hawai'i.

Added: Sunday 28 October 2012 13:50:27 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Huh? I experienced this quake about as much as you did!

Added: Sunday 28 October 2012 13:40:02 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

How's everything looking up your way, Mike?

Added: Sunday 28 October 2012 12:39:46 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Honolulu

The bloody sirens every now and again were eerie and twilight zone. All the way into late night. I drove from da Hideaway to home, saw no roadblocks, tho'. On another note, Nadja had a fabulous time here, leaving her second home soon. Barb, we looked for ya! Enjoyed Don Stroud and da Molokai Tita, Melveen Leed on Saturdays... kanikapila time just like old days, was good fun!

Added: Sunday 28 October 2012 12:29:53 MST


Submitted by: Five-0
From: Honolulu

Well, we had no big Tsunami waves here Saturday night as expected. We had to cancel just about every Halloween block party on the island and head for high ground. We also had to cancel the Halloween rock concert I was working at the Aloha tower at 8pm, and every cop in town was at one road block or another until just after Midnight when they finally lifted the Tsunami warning. We bit the bullet this time. I hope the east coast, and my former home in Atlantic City NJ has as much luck with the incoming Frankenstorm headed that way... Happy Halloween All! :!devil:

Added: Sunday 28 October 2012 07:03:41 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

shocker: i think i am losing interest in new 5-0. STILL have not seen the last episode with Mom and i don't think i ever will

this and the General Pak i have not seen. Halloween episode Monday nite which looks like SAW. ugh.

Added: Saturday 27 October 2012 14:44:57 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Interesting trivia: Efrem Zimbalist Jr., Jack Lord and Jack Webb were all approached about roles in the film "Airplane."

Added: Saturday 27 October 2012 08:41:27 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Rainbow Warrior,

Glad you enjoyed "Rest in Peace, Somebody". It IS a masterpiece!!

Not only the greatest episode of the series but one of the best episodes ever put on television. I definitely agree with you about the DIRTY HARRY influence. In fact I find season 4 as a whole to be heavily influenced by films like DIRTY HARRY. Seasons 1-3 have that late 60s flavor to them - James Bond, MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE, etc. Seasons 4-6 have the gritty urban crime drama feel to them - DIRTY HARRY, FRENCH CONNECTION, etc. The urban crime dramas became very popular in the seventies - guys like Clint Eastwood and Charles Bronson dominated the box office during that period. FIVE-0 followed that trend. Listen to Morton Stevens's score for "Hookman" - sounds like Lalo Schifrin's 70s work. Heck, Don Ray's score for "Rest in Peace" sounds in spots like Schifrin's "Scorpio's Theme" from DIRTY HARRY. Especially during the creepy scenes where Cameron breaks into McG's office and leaves the trail of paint.

I will agree that Cameron not wearing a bulletproof vest or not thinking that the Governor might be wearing one was extremely sloppy of him. Why he didn't go for a head shot instead choosing to shoot the Gov in the back is beyond me. For a guy with so much hate I'd think that he wouldn't go for anything less than a head shot. He was committed to destroying McG so this seems a bit sloppy. Also I have a problem with how easy Cameron got into McG's office to leave the trail of paint. You'd think after the first break-in when Cameron left McG a note they would have put round-the-clock security at the palace. It makes no sense for the place to be deserted like that in the middle of the night.

Still, these things can't distract the greatness of this episode!

Added: Friday 26 October 2012 14:11:06 MST


Submitted by: Monty
From: New Jersey

Regarding 'Pray Love Remember, Pray Love, Remember' from classic season one: it is a strong example of some critics' assertion that Jack Lord's McGarret is a superior man and his team are idiots. Don't get me wrong, I love the show but you have to laugh at the following sequence. McGarret and Kono go to the cock fight to roust the giant Benny Apa. Been runs and McGarret tries (in vain) to tackle him while Kono stands idly by. Then dimwit Kono pulls his gun and it requires cool-headed McGarret to keep Kono from shooting! As the pair then chase Benny, Kono gets tired and gives up. He turns back and I had a faint hope that Kono was doing something clever like finding a way to head Benny off. No such luck. He was just huffing and puffing back to the car. This gives McGarret an opportunity to show off his aerobic conditioning by catching Benny - only to get his butt whipped again. Had Kono merely pulled his weight, Benny easily gets caught! Why isn't Kono fired for such epic bumbling? Just kidding.

Added: Friday 26 October 2012 11:36:02 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Big H, Ringfire, Big Chicken, and others who loved it....

After much delay, I finally watched "Rest in Peace, Somebody" and I agree with all of you, it's a masterpiece.

First let me say, that it's heavily influenced by "Dirty Harry" not only in plot, but in the way it's filmed, and some of the location shooting. "Dirty Harry" came out the same year as this episode did in 1971, and if you watch that film and then this episode you'll see what I'm talking about.

This influence was for the better because they opened up and expanded the locations, and as a result, Vrinda would agree, expanded the Five-O World for the first time in the show's first four seasons. We see a larger representation of the whole Palace where the Five-O crew works, also City Hall, the Governor's office on the outside is shown in more detail. We get a sense of the center of Hawaii State Government, it's physical sense for the first time.

The script is tight, acting tense, and the scene between the Governor and Steve which ends with "No, Steve, I will not accept your resignation." is realistically written without being corny. This is a terrific episode and a wonderful standout in the run of the series. By this time, Five-O was a well oiled machine running at the peak of it's abilities and Big H, yes, it's confirmed, only 10 episodes in, it's a great, great season.

Only two criticisms. Mike mentioned it in his analysis. McG opens up too many things without calling the bomb squad first. I know he looks for wires and stuff, but he's way to willing to just open up things at Cameron's command. Second question. Cameron planned everything out so meticulously, but he never stopped to think that the Governor might wear a bullet proof vest, and why didn't Cameron wear one himself? For a guy who was so perfect, he screwed up his whole revenge plot at the most important part.

Added: Friday 26 October 2012 07:51:07 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Hi, Elaine,

I noticed some of the things you did. Botany 500 provided the wardrobe for the show. They probably gave each of the cast members certain suits to wear, and Jack got the blue ones.

Notice as well that each of the main cast members wore different colors. No one wore the same color at the same time. If Jack was in blue, James was in green, brown, or tan, Kam was in gray or brown, and Zulu was in gray most of the time. Al wore brown a lot, and Duke was either in an HPD uniform or a checkered suit. Sometimes, he wore light green, as did James, but never at the same time.

Blue is considered to be a powerful color, which is maybe why Botany 500 gave Jack that color suit, or it could also have been the wardrobe department or Leonard Freeman's decision.

Added: Thursday 25 October 2012 21:59:12 MST


Submitted by: Elaine
From: Watertown, MA

A bit of trivia....Mr. Mike...did anyone notice in the episode Six Kilos at the end of Season 1, that Swanson's overalls for the Mauna Loa Refrigeration Company is mispelled? I was watching Six Kilos on ME TV yesterday and saw that Mauna Loa was spelled Muana Loa. Evidently, the production crew either didn't notice the mis-spelling, or decided to go with it anyway, rather than order a new set of overalls for Swanson!

More trivia...(Yes, I need to find a hobby!)...in the same episode, how many aloha shirts did McGarrett wear in his impersonation of Harry K. Brown? I counted 4 different shirts, all worn with white slacks....

In Season 1, how many suits does McGarrett own? The majority of episodes show him in a medium blue suit. Len Freeman must have had a tight budget for that first season, because Mac didn't have much in the way of suits to choose from! Season 2 shows us the Tan (or Khaki) cloth, Navy Blue and Medium blue suits. McGarrett's threads get even better as the seasons progressed, at least until they went to those awful leisure suits in Season 11 and 12!

I still get a chuckle when I watch McGarrett get into his two door car and arrive in a four door model! I definitely need a hobby! I've seen all the episodes so many times now, that I can recite the dialogue and tell which episode is about to play just by watching the trailers! But nothing else can hold a candle to classic Five-O!

One last bit of annoyance....In "They Painted Daisy's on His Coffin", the young man accidentally killed by Danno is Thad Vaughn. But in the follow-up episode, "The Bomber and Mrs, Moroney", his name was changed to Joey Collins. Why did they do that? It would have made much more sense to stay with the Vaughn name, rather than change it to Collins. And for Gerald O'Loughlin to be Charlie Swanson in "The Box", and then to play Carl Swanson in "Six Kilos"....a person could get a little confused if they're paying attention. Which only proves that the original Five-O was far from perfect, but even with it's imperfections, it beats the pants off the Five-Zero imposters...just saying.

Added: Thursday 25 October 2012 14:32:19 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Here is some further anal-ysis for the stats I posted earlier. It looks like the reason for the low ratings for some of the classic sets is due to the fact that they are heavily discounted.

A likely reason for the relatively "bad" stats for the Blu-Ray of season one at Amazon is because of the exclusive deal CBS had with Best Buy to sell this for several months. This was a big mistake. Although you could buy this set in the USA (at Best Buy) and in other countries like from Amazon.UK, you could not buy it in Canada from Amazon.ca (or Best Buy either).

The figures below show what the selling price today of these box sets is.

The first figure is the official Amazon.com figure, the other two are for Amazon Marketplace sellers new and used in that order. I have ignored the "collectible" category which is usually B.S. This category is supposed to be reserved for something special like signed copies or whatever, but sellers just take advantage of it for no good reason.

NEW FIVE-0

Season 1 DVD $24.35 / $22.83 / $19.25
Season 1 Blu-Ray $41.93 / $35.39 / $19.50

Season 2 DVD $39.99 / $24.95 / $20.79
Season 2 Blu-Ray $47.49 / $40.00 / $34.95

CLASSIC FIVE-O

Season 1 $14.40 / $11.14 / $7.59 (this is a 7-disc set)
Season 2 $13.38 / $11.77 / $4.84
Season 3 $13.17 / $9.22 / $8.99
Season 4 $12.50 / $9.50 / $7.97
Season 5 $21.90 / $16.00 / $14.37
Season 6 $19.00 / $18.79 / $15.03
Season 7 $26.93 / $22.27 / $22.19
Season 8 $26.93 / $23.41 / $23.31
Season 9 $29.38 / $29.38 / $29.53
Season 10 $13.16 / $13.02 / $10.17
Season 11 $33.24 / $24.98 / $21.50
Season 12 $36.93 / $30.83 / $23.79

Added: Tuesday 23 October 2012 16:32:40 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Yep, Sheila Larken/Karen Adamson does say "Mama" just before being hit by the truck. It's quite funny actually. Not a hysterical "mama mia!!" or anything like that. Just a scared "mama".

Added: Tuesday 23 October 2012 13:47:27 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Maybe the Blu-Ray stats are lower because not a lot of people have caught onto the technology. Maybe the 789 for Five-O 2 on DVD is so low because many people didn't like Lori?

Added: Tuesday 23 October 2012 12:38:12 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Interesting stats, taken from Amazon.com today, Best Sellers Rank (this is from the page where Amazon.com itself is selling the item):

THE NEW FIVE-O

Season 1 (DVD) - 2,688
Season 1 (Blu-Ray) - 19,700
Season 2 (DVD) - 789 (I would suggest this is pretty bad for a show that has only been out a month)
Season 2 (Blu-Ray) - 6,182

I don't know why the Blu-Ray stats are so bad, is this an indication of how Blu-Rays have not really taken hold with the viewing public?

CLASSIC FIVE-O

Season 1 - 6,838
Season 2 - 8,838
Season 3 - 9,977
Season 4 - 13,887
Season 5 - 13,155
Season 6 - 10,941
Season 7 - 13,551
Season 8 - 15,732
Season 9 - 18,007
Season 10 - 5,899 (!!! Maybe because it is being dumped for $13.16.)
Season 11 - 20,711
Season 12 - 12,225
Season 13 - 327 (just kidding)

Added: Tuesday 23 October 2012 11:15:53 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Get back over to your own side of the tracks, Mike. You don't need to be around Charles Manson look-alikes and pit bulls. Some cities can change from nice to dangerous in just a matter of one or two blocks.

Added: Tuesday 23 October 2012 11:00:02 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The woman who gets run over in A Bullet for McGarrett (run over by a truck driven by an uncredited Beau van den Ecker, by the way) is Sheila Larken, who later gained fame playing the mother of Dana Scully (Gillian Anderson) on The X-Files. Larken is (as far as I know still) married to X-Files producer R.W. Goodwin. When the X-Files was produced in Vancouver for its first five seasons, the two of them moved to Bellingham, WA, just over the border, where they preferred to live and bring up their kids rather than in Los Angeles. A while ago I found a link for Larken which suggested she is a counsellor of some kind in Bellingham. I find it interesting that they thought that Bellingham was less crime-ridden than California, because if you do a Google search for "Bellingham WA crime," there are some postings (including older ones) which suggest that property crime in Bellingham is actually pretty high, either because it is a college town (as if college towns have a higher crime rate, I don't know if this is true) or its proximity to the Canadian border and the traffic in drugs. Bellingham is also the city where serial killer Kenneth Bianchi (The Hillside Strangler) committed two murders and was captured, though that was in 1979. I was in Bellingham a couple of weeks ago, and I was in the Fred Meyer store and some creepy looking guy with a crew cut and scraggly Charles Manson-like beard was walking around in the store with a couple of his friends and a nasty looking pit bull!

Added: Tuesday 23 October 2012 08:06:35 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Ringfire:

Yes, I agree it was a pretty gruesome scene especially for 1969 television.

Not my favorite for the second season though. My favorite for season Two was "Three Dead Cows...." Parts I and II which I felt was a masterpiece, followed by "Forty Feet High and it Kills!"

Season Two was a great season.

Added: Tuesday 23 October 2012 07:02:32 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

Ringfire....is this the scene where the girl looks directly at the oncoming truck and says, "Mama!" just before dying?

Added: Monday 22 October 2012 18:10:55 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Yep, there's definitely no girl running out and getting shot in the street in "Daisies on His Coffin". I think this is definitely "A Bullet for McGarrett" - the girl is started when Danno knocks on the door so she runs outside and gets hit by a truck.

P.S. I always found this to be a pretty gruesome scene. Not a pretty way to go. It's my favorite episode of the 2nd season.

Added: Monday 22 October 2012 15:45:58 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Yes, Rainbow, I was thinking of that episode. I didn't remember the title, but I kept thinking there was an episode where a girl was hit by a car. I didn't remember which one or if Danno knocked on her door to speak to her beforehand. Thanks for clearing that up.

Added: Monday 22 October 2012 11:03:28 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Cowboy might be thinking of "A Bullet For McGarrett" which is when Danno knocks on the door and the girl flees out the back into the street and is run over and killed by a truck.
Again she is not "shot" as he said, but she does flee in panic when Danno comes to her residence, so maybe this is the episode he is thinking of and just mixed up that she was shot. I don't know, his description is vague.

Added: Monday 22 October 2012 06:25:37 MST


Submitted by: Ray
From: Portsmouth NH

For the first time in over 50 years, the soundtrack from Elizabeth Logue's first film, Odissea Nuda, has been digitally remastered and released on CD. She was about 20 years old when the film was shot on location in Tahiti.
Our 'girl on the beach' who appeared in the opening sequence of Five O is featured on the cover and back of this CD. A point of trivia: she appeared as a romantic interest opposite Enrico Maria Salerno in this film. Patricia Dolores Donlon, who was also featured in the film, called Enrico the Italian Marlon Brando of that time, an actor who appeared in more than 125 films before he passed in 2004. A prolific actor, he averaged about 3-4 films per year throughout his career. Enjoy!

http://tinyurl.com/9nyrd93
http://tinyurl.com/8tu2qd9
http://tinyurl.com/8baxto3

Added: Sunday 21 October 2012 18:35:44 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

still have not seen the last episode...i'll try this week. no 5-0 thanks to Pres Debate tomorrow

Added: Sunday 21 October 2012 15:06:02 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Yes, I think the poster is confused. In this episode, >Danno< is running down the street after Thad Vaughn (past Arthur Hee, as I recall). Vaughn is the one who gets shot when he is behind the door of his fleabag apartment, and his girl friend is a witness to this.

Added: Sunday 21 October 2012 13:29:38 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

"... And They Painted Daisies on His Coffin" sounds like it. I can't think of an episode where a woman is shot running down the street in the beginning, though.

Added: Sunday 21 October 2012 12:07:33 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

>>>I am trying to locate an episode of 5-0 where Dano knocks at the door of a young woman's apartment in the early part of the show. She panics, flees and is shot running down the street. I couldn't find it in a quick view of the episode descriptions. ...Any one can point me to this episode, please?<<<

I can only guess that you may have a somewhat mixed-up recollection of the S1 episode ...AND THEY PAINTED DAISIES ON HIS COFFIN.

Added: Sunday 21 October 2012 10:29:28 MST


Submitted by: Kapiolani Cowboy
From: Colorado

I am trying to locate an episode of 5-0 where Dano knocks at the door of a young woman's apartment in the early part of the show. She panics, flees and is shot running down the street. I couldn't find it in a quick view of the episode descriptions.

Any one can point me to this episode, please?

Added: Saturday 20 October 2012 12:14:40 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Here is Jack's appearance on The Millionaire:

bit.ly/XD0uKj

Added: Saturday 20 October 2012 10:29:34 MST


Submitted by: Fuzzy melton
From: Virginia

Have you notice the American flag flying over the Hawaii State Capitol building during the series ??? It's torn and ragged...Do you think it could be replaced ? We veterans fought and died for that flag...

Semper Fi
Sgt USMC 72-75
Greg " Fuzzy " Melton

Added: Friday 19 October 2012 09:32:12 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

"Timor" means "slender" or "secret" and comes from Hebrew and "Ambok" comes from Malay. I don't know what it means, but these are two real names, though in an uncommon combination. Maybe Ambok's mother was Jewish.

Added: Thursday 18 October 2012 16:43:05 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

You got me, Ringfire. How could I have forgotten old Timor Ambok. "Taxi! Taxi!"

Added: Thursday 18 October 2012 16:18:51 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Thank you, Mike. Now, it makes sense.

Added: Thursday 18 October 2012 15:27:58 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

" but I thought George Takei's only appearance on H50 was as Nathaniel Blake in "Death's Name is Sam." "

I preferred Takei's appearance as Timor Ambok. ;) The name sounds completely bogus but ya gotta love it!

Added: Thursday 18 October 2012 15:10:41 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

H50, they were referring to Takei using the "meme" of Jonathan Goldsmith as "The Most Interesting Man in the World," a spokesman for Dos Equus beer. Don't ask me to explain what a "meme" is, maybe someone can put it into 100 words or less. JG's "Most Interesting Man" has become a wildly popular meme, which in turn has inspired additional memes with different characters such as celebrities, athletes and memes who parody Dos Equis' famous quotes. See http://bit.ly/OM6wqB

Added: Thursday 18 October 2012 14:02:37 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Maybe I missed something, but I thought George Takei's only appearance on H50 was as Nathaniel Blake in "Death's Name is Sam." Wasn't it Malcolm Vaughn (Jonathan Goldsmith) who killed McGarrett's girlfriend in "Man in a Steel Frame"?

Added: Thursday 18 October 2012 13:26:07 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

George Takei's guest appearance should be fun, especially as Chin's uncle.

How was Jake even able to get in touch with Thorpe? Do halfway houses allow residents to have cell phones and internet access? They may have landlines for the staff to use, but I'd think that they would be monitoring the residents' communications with people on the outside.

Added: Thursday 18 October 2012 13:09:48 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Takei will be Chin's uncle? But Chin already had an uncle in two season one shows, played by veteran character actor Sab Shimono! He is over-represented in the uncle department...

Maybe there will be an in-joke with Takei's appearance and he will have an encounter with Max, calling him "Sonny." (Takei played Masi Oka's father on Heroes, in case anyone doesn't know this.) ;)

Speaking of actors playing relatives, I think it would be a cool idea if Elissa (see http://fiveohomepage.com/elissa) would play Grace Park's mom ... or maybe >her< aunt. And hopefully this would be a recurring part.

Added: Thursday 18 October 2012 09:39:40 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton


From: Personal to you [Mr. Mike]: your 3rd season reviews says "Season Two" at right. [This is a link so people can buy the latest season on DVD and Blu-Ray. Because Season Three isn't available on DVD and Blu-Ray yet, that's why it says Season Two. - MQ]

Added: Thursday 18 October 2012 09:10:09 MST


Submitted by: Aloysius
From: Mainland

George Takei posted on Facebook that he'll be guest starring on the show as Chin's uncle. I loved Takei in his guest appearance on the original, playing a rather quirky character. I just hope they write something worthwhile for him. While I enjoyed Ed Asner's first episode on the reboot, the second episode was quite bad - clunky dialog and a rather non-sensical plot. I was disappointed.

Oddly, Takei used the Dos Equis meme to announce his guest role. I can't ever see "the most interesting man in the world" without remembering that he murdered McGarrett's girlfriend.

Added: Wednesday 17 October 2012 18:44:22 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

>Do you pick apart every show based in Las Vegas or New
>York, or Chicago and wonder if those TV shows have
>contributed to the destruction of family and culture and
>traditions.

No, of course not. But these American continental cities do not deal with a very different people and culture -- they are all "American." But Hawaii is uniquely different place and culture (that is, until it is totally 100% swallowed up).

>I have a lot of respect for the Hawaiian people and way
>of life. And no TV show is going to change that for me.

That's not the issue I was discussing. I was not dicussing what is changing **in me**, but what is changing **in Hawaii** But still, if the Hawaiian people and the way of life as you put it ceases to exist anymore, hey, guess what? you **will** change because what you cherished no longer exists!

>It's a TV show!!!!! Not real life.

This get to another issue -- the role of TV. If all you want to get from TV is mindless entertainment for the pure sake of entertainment, well, fine. I imagine most people view it that way, and that is one reason we have such a sick society -- because we have entertained ourselves to death with so much (violent) makebelieve (epsceially now in the digital age where almost anything can be faked) -- from TV shows, to video games, etc., etc. I personally can not let go of reality, and if I am dealt with something totally out of this world, it does not interest me, simply not worth my time and energy. Most of my TV viewing is news, documentarties, travel programs, scince programs, etc.

Cop show in particular are very distasteful to me because there are SO SO MANY of them. I never watch them (only wath Hawaii Five-0 because I was there) with one rare recent exception -- "Blue Bloods" also on CBS with another breed of writers. WHAT a difference!!! bewtween that show and Hawaii Five-0!

Added: Wednesday 17 October 2012 18:10:17 MST


Submitted by: Hoosiergirl
From: Nap Town

Mr. Mike, to answer your wire Q....McG called the wire used for the decapitation 'garroting wire.' General term for piano wire. It's commonly available both through retail and online and wouldn't be particularly traceable. Strung at high enough tension it could easily decapitate a person in the manner shown on the show. I'll spare you the gory history of garroting, but the Spainards really seemed to enjoy employing it.

As far as your issue with the psychic dialogue...mix was fine on WCBS and I had no trouble hearing her. Her accent was thick, but being familiar with Bai Ling as an actress I didn't have too much trouble with it.

Added: Wednesday 17 October 2012 17:03:47 MST


Submitted by: DD
From: Los Angeles

I have spent quite a lot of time in Hawaii - different islands and love it all. I have a lot of respect for the Hawaiian people and way of life. And no TV show is going to change that for me. It's a TV show!!!!! Not real life. Do you pick apart every show based in Las Vegas or New York, or Chicago and wonder if those TV shows have contributed to the destruction of family and culture and traditions. Most tv shows are for entertainment. Yes, some of the story lines are stupid. I can't stand McGarretts mom but the show entertains me and for me that's all that matters.

Added: Wednesday 17 October 2012 15:11:07 MST


Submitted by: John
From: Montreal

This latest episode (which wasn't bad relative to other episodes) really highlighted what I don't like about the new show;

first is that between having 8 minutes less than the old show to begin with and then spending so much of those 42 minutes dealing with all their personal "issues" like mom etc that the actual case solving is nothing but a few super fast questions and some flicking of computer screens.

The end result is the absence of a crime solving method, no pacing of the story and (for me anyway) a light heading feeling related to trying to absorb the rapid fire info being jammed at me with too much and too loud music.

In fairness this seems to be the norm in all these kind of shows nowadays... which is why I don't watch current TV shows anymore.

BTW, I really hope mom goes the way of Laurie ASAP!

Added: Wednesday 17 October 2012 12:15:25 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

I just canlt help but think again what I said in an earlier post--how do writers and actors live with themselves?

I mean when the make these shows they do it in chunks, on sets, with "cut" "action" with retakes, with outakes, and so all this fakery and nonsesne that we se as a continuous, unbroken chain, as a smooth flowing story, for the actor and director is no such thing at all. It is all broken stuff, repeated many times and put together at the end.

So, the actor and director has to replay these (nonsense) chunks and over again. They know it is fakery, and yet they are forced to repeat this fakery many times until they get the scene as the director wants it.

There has to come a point where there is something in you for truth and reality that just has to die, and all you live for is money, fame, and vain red carpet glory, and you become so dead to the true and real in life.

I think this is why some actors in the end just turn totally away from acting and devote the rest of their lives to something really meaningful, truly truthful and undeniably worthwhile (like perhaps Jack Lord did himself). And perhaps others just can't cope and commit suicide or go bizerk in some way.

It also may be a paretial explanation why many actor couples get divorced. A good healthy marriage demands open honesty and humility, but if you live a life filled with fakery, it has to spill over into your marriage in ways like lieing, decieving, etc, which ends up ruining the marriage.

Added: Wednesday 17 October 2012 08:24:30 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Here is more stuff to chew on (I should never watch this show more than once).

In the previous episode, McGarrett chewed out Danno for contaminating the crime scene on the yacht, despite the fact that he (McGarrett) opens the door to the yacht's cabin, he turns the key to start it and picks up the radio, all of which may have had fingerprints on them.

In Monday night's episode, McGarrett takes a sample of the explosive from Charlie Fong because it's going to take too long to run this through HPD's facilities. He gives it to Catherine, who presumably gets some of her navy contacts to figure out that this is C4 in a ridiculously short time. By taking this explosive away from Fong, McGarrett totally screws up the chain of evidence!

STUPID!

Added: Wednesday 17 October 2012 07:41:46 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

>I think I figured out what the problem with McGarrett's mother is.

Right! There is NOTHING, NOTIHNG believable about that Mother/Son relationship. And add to that the Wo Fat ridiculous thing. Wo Fat is unbelievable, and now this Wo Fat/Sheldon/Mother thing is so bizarre, that like I said in previous post--are these writers even human beings to think that anyone could behave like this???

I can not think of anything I have seen in recent, and even not recent TV that comes close to such utter unbelievable relationships.

And idotic scense like blowing up HPD HQ, machine gun fights in open public, lifitng vans from out the sky, finding prople in dark night ocean waters in 15 minutes, etc, etc, etc,

Added: Wednesday 17 October 2012 06:42:14 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Very true, Mike. The writers really do need to stop and consider who/what each character is before they start to write.

Added: Wednesday 17 October 2012 06:34:53 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I think I figured out what the problem with McGarrett's mother is. No person in their late 50's or early 60's (as I assume she is) would carry on the way she does. This is a middle-aged person filtered through a 30-year-old writer, acting smart-alecky like this is a situation comedy and and coming up with totally unrealistic comments for someone of that age like "Your security system sucks."

Added: Wednesday 17 October 2012 06:10:42 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Just watching last night's show again (sigh). The psychic says she could see the caller ID on Billy's cel phone. This is a very critical plot point, since it leads Five-0 in a certain direction. But she was sitting down, and he was turned away from her, several feet away!

Added: Tuesday 16 October 2012 23:15:14 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

>Hawaiians didn't mind the money the show brought in, nor
>the high paychecks Jack and CBS was signing to the crew,
>80% of whom were locals.

One thing I was not clear about is that whatever loss of Hawaiian culture that happened is a part the fault of the Hawaiians themselves for allowing it to happen. But the way it happens is the way it so often happens -- greed and money. Money corrupts and this is where it is at. You can bring in almost any filth, and if you bring enough money with it, you will be able to sell it. I bet you if there was little money that there was offered to the locals, they would have just told CBS and Hawaii Five-O to jump in the lake. But, as you said there was a **lot** of it. And like I said in a previous post, the whole thing with TV is MONEY, in the end it is all about money. As you stated, the Hawaiians were not happy with how Hawaii was portrayed, so they should have stood up against it and stayed that way. But money brought them down, and they capitualted to allow a show to show who they are in a way that was not what they were about.

It still does not deny the fact that Hawaii Five-O, CBS, TV whatever, helped to contribute to the problem, but it is also true that Hawaiians took the bait.

>The reduction of Hawaiian culture to "western ideas and
>practises" [sic] started long before television existed,

No doubt about it! One the main problems is that a vast majority of Hawaiians simply died off from disease and sickness since they had no immunity to disease. Back in 2000 I was told there were just 200 true blood Hawaiians left living. So, what was going to happen is that they would be overun by whoever would come to control them, whether that would have been Russia or America. Amercia already had overthrown the Hawaiian government in 1905, Pearl Harbor was established as a strong military presence, etc., etc.--all before TV. I did not say Hawaii Five-0 was the worst thing to happen to Hawaiian culture, but the worst thing ON TV, as far as TV is concerned --I limited it to TV. And your comments about locals opposing Hawaii Five-0 just sort of supports my point. They probably already sensed the end was coming, but they did not have the strength (or perhaps numbers in terms of population) to stop it

You in effect supported my points all along. We just need to understand that the Hawaiians eventually accepted much of the "corruption" of their culture (like you said because of money).

In both cases it is sad -- sad to see a deliberate attempt to portray a culture the way it is not, and sad to see that corruption accepted by the locals (because of money).

Added: Tuesday 16 October 2012 22:32:03 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

"Even though a few episodes of Hawaii Five-O dealt with the struggles and plights of native Hawaiian as Hawaiian cultrure was sort of being gobbled, in reality Hawaii Five-O did more to help destroy Hawaiian culture."

If that was the case, the Hawaiians would have been the first to complain about it. Their gripe was not with their culture being destroyed by the show, but the image of Hawaii as a violent place. Jack Lord even mentioned people going up to him in the street and complaining about how the show made Hawaii look - but they were not talking about the Hawaiian people being demoralized.

It wasn't just fancy hotels that they were depicting as Hawaiian. There were characters speaking Hawaiian, the clashes between Hawaiians and whites, and conflicts Five-O had with solving cases amidst cultural opposition. This is a crime show, so how much of Hawaiian culture do you want them to show? To blame whatever decay there has been in Hawaiian culture on a TV show is unrealistic and ignorant.

If Hawaii really felt that Hawaii Five-O was damaging their way of life, they could have stopped watching and even demanded the crew stop filming there and leave, and that nearly happened when they had to move from one studio to another.

Hawaiians didn't mind the money the show brought in, nor the high paychecks Jack and CBS was signing to the crew, 80% of whom were locals.

The reduction of Hawaiian culture to "western ideas and practises" [sic] started long before television existed, like when James Cook landed there in 1778, and hundreds of British, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, and other white settlers went to live there. There was also influence from the Asian - Chinese, Japanese, Filipino, and Korean - settlers who came to work on farms there from nineteenth century on down. Their presence, according to historians, pushed the native Hawaiians to the margin, and created the tensions that last to this day, and a cop show set there was hardly the forerunner in westernizing everything that traditionally Hawaiian.

The issue plaguing native Hawaiians is not that their culture is not being maintained. They have to worry about improving their socioeconomic problems - minimal land ownership, poor education, high incarceration - which are results of problems going back more than 200 years, not forty.

Added: Tuesday 16 October 2012 20:46:35 MST


Submitted by: KDMCG
From: I'm only human....

Agreed JOHN. Every single word. I have said it and will say it again-this is a show set in Hawai'i which is a parody of the original which will remain a classic. I actually guessed that they used a garotting wire-wow!

Another pretty idiotic episode. Mother as spy thing is SO RIDICULOUS--who comes up with this garbage? Decaptitation crime and scene was really too gory and not needed--just cheapens the episode in my mind because the episode does not have enough on its own that you got to add gore to it to awe viewers to stay with the episode--etc. This is a trick that shows you got nothing of substance. Dull, predictable, ending. Even crime plot was hard to follow.

Added: Tuesday 16 October 2012 19:36:07 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

DD, I can only speak for myself, but I watch so I'll know what people here are talking about. Then, too, I hope those in power on the new show will see how we feel and make changes.

To a certain degree, I think they do. Certainly, the show shows more elements of a police procedural this season. They have a case and solve it, even though they don't necessarily show how they reached the conclusion. An example being what was discussed earlier today. They didn't follow up on the kind of wire that was used int he decapitation. But they are making a little progress.

Still to be achieved, winding up the family saga of AOL's character. The man's 40 years old, already. Who cares about his mother's past?

Also still to be achieved, a chain of command for the detectives. No government agency exists without there being a system in place to maintain checks and balances.

Also still to be achieved, fair play with the audience. In last night's episode, the dysfunctional family should have been explained much earlier with one or two red herrings thrown in to avoid giving away the story line too soon. Instead, they waited until the last minute, then sprung completely different personality types on the audience. No fair!

Also still to be achieved, intelligence from the writers to the characters. How many members of AOL's character's family keep their mementos (or whatever) in metal boxes? Is Wo Fat going to tear up the entire floor to find the box the way he stole the tool box from the garage? Give me a break!

I have a question: What is holding up the second floor of AOL's character's house? The staircase appears to be levitating - or am I missing something? :D

Added: Tuesday 16 October 2012 19:06:30 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

>why are you all still watching the show if all you can do >is criticize

There's a rather simple answer. Hawaii is a very special place. One of the most unique and beautiful places on the planet. Many people (non-Hawaiians) spend the most significant moments of their lives in Hawaii with their special costly vacations, honeymoons, etc. So just about anything that has to do with Hawaii will grab one's attention, especially if you have a weekly opportunity to "go back there" in a limited sense. I wonder if there is any other place that has this appeal as much and as often as Hawaii does.

At the same time people who love Hawaii do not want to see it polluted with junk, garbage, evil, killing, etc., etc. It is their "beloved" spot on world that is ususlly associated with good and fond memories, and normal people don't want that ruined.

I personally have always sort of had a bad taste for watching Hawaii Five-0, even the orginal series, because as much as they helped promote Hawaii as a tourist destination and thus help support the local ecoonmy, probably this series has done more to destroy the Hawaiian culture more than anything else on TV. It reduces anything special about Hawaiian culture to next to nothing but western ideas and practises, to the point that the plight of the native Hawaiian is in reality no different than the plight of the American Indian--their culture, their values, their land--all gobbled up to a point of just barely existing, or if it exist at all it exist only in the fancy hotels with their special programs of culture. Hawaiians sing and dream of Las Vegas JUST like the American Indians are now known really just for their casinos--so much of culture wiped it and replaced with love of money and gambling. The true every day life and culture of Hawaii is really sort of vanished. Many native Hawaian singers have even sung about this sad development, but they have not been able to stop "progress"

Even though a few episodes of Hawaii Five-O dealt with the struggles and plights of native Hawaiian as Hawaiian cultrure was sort of being gobbled, in reality Hawaii Five-O did more to help destroy Hawaiian culture.

And so with this current series, not only does this trend of wiping out Hawaiian culture continue, but it asociates Hawaii with **really** thoughtless idiotic plots, idiotic relationships, unbelievable action, villans and heros. For me there is next to nothing anymore to enjoy in watching the program, and I know if I miss an episode I won't be missing anything at all.

Of course, if you want to throw your mind away totally and not think, and not use your head, and if Hawaii has no special place in your heart, you won't mind watching it.

Added: Tuesday 16 October 2012 18:31:05 MST


Submitted by: DD
From: Los Angeles

Wow - why are you all still watching the show if all you can do is criticize. Yea, sometimes the shows can be better but I love watching H50. They are fun, full of action and I love the scenery. Ok so it's not the original - I'm not watching it because of the original. Can't you just watch a show and enjoy it instead of going on and on about how bad you think it is. Sheesh!

Added: Tuesday 16 October 2012 15:51:06 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: (klink) "cheers"

"Alas, the ending of these shows is becoming all too predictable."

Mr. Mike: Since I haven't seen last night's ep yet, let me guess. Somewhere on a beach klinking beer bottles together and popping shrimp? I didn't just walk headfirst into a KABONG, did I?

Added: Tuesday 16 October 2012 09:34:57 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

More thoughts on last night's episode:
• I couldn't understand a bloody thing the psychic was saying at the beginning, between her accent and the awful sound mix.
• What is the official name of the razor wire used to decapitate Billy? If this was the old show, McGarrett would have said, "I want every medical supply house on the island checked to see who bought any of this wire recently," and the crime would have been solved quickly. But no one even thinks about doing this! DUH! It's not like you can just walk into some store and buy this wire, especially a piece of it that is so long that it will fit between two goal posts. The whole grandiose scheme that the kid thought up (razor wire, cel phones, C4, and so forth) seemed really beyond his capabilities in terms of planning it and purchasing all the components. And then there was the speed with which Catherine figured out what the explosive was. Puh-leeze, puh-leeze!
• All this show really lacks is a laugh track. It really amazes me how people think this kind of smart-alecky dialogue is funny. But when a very unfunny and badly written show like Charlie Sheen's Anger Management can not only get good ratings but be renewed for 90 episodes, thus ensuring it will be syndicated, nothing surprises me.
• Do they have an announcer doing play-by-play for the crowd at polo matches? Maybe just at American polo matches?
• The music at the beginning as the camera circled around the polo player prior to him getting his head chopped off was actually interesting, as it was when McGarrett's mother was opening the toolbox (where it was highly reminiscent of "Lost").
• I liked the actors playing the kid's parents. The father had this shell-shocked look about him, a combination of a man who had worked hard to become rich, but also someone who had his balls seriously broken by his wife in more ways than one. The wife was a real piece of work; she totally exuded bitchiness.
• I laughed loudly when Kono told Danno to pay the psychic, saying "You make more money than I do" when he balked.
• Sorry, Doris, Ace of Spies, I don't believe your "I just want to live my life" pronouncements, "I've already given him [Wo Fat] too much of my life," etc. At the end of the show, I kept counting down the seconds, expecting someone to knock her off.
• Is that film or microfilm in the toolbox?

Added: Tuesday 16 October 2012 06:20:12 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

Another pretty idiotic episode. Mother as spy thing is SO RIDICULOUS--who comes up with this grabage? Decaptitation crime and scene was really too gory and not needed--just cheapens the episode in my mind because the episode does not have enough on its own that you got to add gore to it to awe viewers to stay with the episode--etc. This is a trick that shows you got nothing of substance. Dull, predictable, ending. Even crime plot was hard to follow.

Just a junky series.

Added: Monday 15 October 2012 23:42:26 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

To me, the problem with McGarrett's mother being a spy is that this is totally unbelievable. This is like I suddenly told everyone here, "I really was a spy for the CIA for 20 years when I was younger." You would think I was nuts! :!giggle: Now she wants to have a normal life. But as she showed up at the end, I kept thinking, "Who has her in their sights with a long-range rifle?"

Added: Monday 15 October 2012 21:30:30 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

I'm sick to death of the family saga. Talk about dysfunctional! Haven't I said this before... before... before??? Maybe they're trying to get us to feel sorry for AOL's character. Poor guy's mother's a mean, self-serving... Sorry, guys. Won't work for me.

Added: Monday 15 October 2012 20:07:27 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

This week's show was better than last (again, I have to say "How could it be worse?"). There were some interesting characters (verging on "rich folks from seasons 10-12 of the original show" territory), and the usual twisty plot wasn't particularly annoying. There was even a cargument of sorts between Kono and Danno! But there was far too much soap opera with McGarrett's mother and Catherine's part was not particularly interesting (though she provided some amazingly fast help at one point, considering what McGarrett asked her to do). Alas, the ending of these shows is becoming all too predictable.

Added: Monday 15 October 2012 19:49:25 MST


Submitted by: AJ
From: NY

Maybe the canoeing team were the 'ancestors from Tahiti' which Kono referred to when he was trying to convince his fellow Hawai'ian Johnny Kalama to give up the goods in "King Kamehameha Blues"?

:!thinking:

Added: Monday 15 October 2012 17:43:54 MST


Submitted by: AJ
From: NY

Oh, gee whiz - all you folks STILL haven't found anything else to do?!!!

[Now waiting for a barrage of cyberslaps... :!punch:]

Added: Monday 15 October 2012 17:33:20 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Mike! Mike! Did you hear what I heard?! Canada is, like, still Trudeau turf, man! A pacifist's Eden!!!

By the way, I also heard that the Twin Towers fell on September 11, 2001. Can you believe it?

Bill K, yes Maud Adams and Soon Teck-Oh were mentioned already. I'm sure we covered all the Bond actors who guested on FIVE-0.

Added: Monday 15 October 2012 10:18:05 MST


Submitted by: Bill K.
From: Detroit area

During the recent discussion about actor crossovers between Five-O and James Bond (excluding Jack Lord), I forget if these were mentioned.

Maud Adams, season 10 -- in two Bond movies, The Man With The Golden Gun and Octopussy (the latter as the title character)

Soon Tek Oh (frequent guest star) -- Lt. Hip in The Man With the Golden Gun.

Added: Monday 15 October 2012 06:45:50 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

The devil made you do it, huh, Mike? ROFL

Added: Monday 15 October 2012 06:29:03 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Pretty funny, this reminds me of something that happened at my office in 2000. Pierre Trudeau, the prime minister of Canada when much of Five-O was on (and who is referred to in To Kill or Be Killed, just to keep this relevant to the discussion) died on September 28 of that year. Since this was all over the news, I mentioned this to a woman who worked in the office, but she was totally clueless, since she knew nothing about it. Anyway, me and this friend named Rob who worked there started hassling her. I said to him in a loud voice so everyone in the office could hear, "Rob, Rob, did you hear what I heard ... the JAPANESE BOMBED PEARL HARBOR!" Rob would reply, "WHAT?!?!? Are you kidding me? I didn't know that!!!" This went on with several other major events like "Lindbergh flew across the Atlantic," "JFK was shot," "The Beatles broke up," etc. The woman's face became redder and redder with each comment we made! :!devil:

Added: Monday 15 October 2012 06:05:24 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

OOPS! Sorry Vera!...I thought you has passed on. My apologies and I hope your in good health. Thanks Rick! You caught me in a "Joe Dimaggio is dead moment"!!! :o

Those who remember the NBC blunder will remember that night they scrolled on the bottom of the screen that Joe had passed on. Only problem was he was watching it at the time, and called NBC to tell them he was very much alive!The television staffer was fired for his blunder.

Added: Sunday 14 October 2012 23:15:30 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

Brace yourselves, everyone. Was perusing the ep summary for tomorrow night & Doris is BAACK!!! Maybe she'll have WoFat in tow?

Added: Sunday 14 October 2012 18:09:10 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

>>>Rest in Peace and say hello to Vera Miles Gary<<<

I don't think that's something Vera Miles is looking forward to - she's still alive.

Added: Sunday 14 October 2012 12:42:08 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Okay, didn't mean to start trouble here, so I'll settle this with some truth and honesty which is rare in today's world. Vrinda is right, I did say first that Grace Park has been complaining about the show in my paragraph on her. That was based on the item that Vrinda posted and quoted, but as I have been reading this forum for a while now going back to before the new show started, it was also based on other items posted by others, maybe Mike or Barbara, but really don't remember as I'm getting old, over those years where the writers also put in that Grace was unhappy about being on the show, and one item posted on here at the beginning of the second season that she wasn't that friendly with fans that meet her in Hawaii. Whether any of this was true, I don't know, since I don't live in Hawaii, and I can only go by what I read. Also, whatever the truth is, it's not something to get upset about unless I was sleeping with Grace( which would be nice) and my life plans were intertwined with hers, which will never be the case. If she ever read this forum( which I doubt, because I'm sure she is kind of busy)she is welcome to come here and tell us the truth about her true feelings. Nothing to get mad about guys. Nobody was insulted here.

H50, Thank You. If Vrinda and I were put in charge of the new Five-O it would be in the Top Five every week. If EVERYONE HERE was put in charge of the show it would probably be number one or number two each week. In show business( and I speak from personal experience) the best and brightest are often never in charge and the least talented rule the industry. Not always but often.

My prayers for Gary Collins. Many was a day in the late 1970's and early 1980's when I spent my mornings in the summer, or my sick days home from school watching his talk show. Rest in Peace and say hello to Vera Miles Gary. You were a true talent.

Added: Sunday 14 October 2012 10:41:54 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

"Yes, you did, Vrinda. You didn't say, "As Rainbow Warrior said..." or "As was reported here earlier..." Without you qualifying this comment in your previous post, YOU said it.

As far as this quote you are referring to is concerned, once again, you are twisting words. Grace Park never said exactly what you or anyone else is suggesting. This is the INTERVIEWER'S INTERPRETATION of what she was saying. She doesn't even finish her sentence in the quote."

So I need to directly quote Rainbow or state, "As Rainbow Warrior said..." or "As was reported here earlier..." ? What is your point? I'm stating what the interviewer said, and it sounds like complaining to me. It isn't made up out of thin air. I was also going responding to Rainbow's comment that he read that Grace was "being hot and cold to her fans." You've got no business what I was referring to or what I meant. I know what I was responding to. Now if you want to accuse me of making up stories about Grace, you've bought yourself a lot of trouble. Nothing is stopping you from simply asking where I got the information from instead of accusing me of making of rumors about her. Nothing is stopping you from reading the old posts on here, either.

I'm not taking anything back from what I said, and I was not spreading any rumors about Grace. To me, she was complaining, and if that is the INTERVIEWER'S INTERPRETATION of what she said, that is all your going get, unless you ask Grace yourself.

Added: Sunday 14 October 2012 10:32:40 MST


Submitted by: Oscar van Hemel
From: Seattle, WA

>I never said Grace was complaining all the time. Rainbow Warrior said that.

Yes, you did, Vrinda. You didn't say, "As Rainbow Warrior said..." or "As was reported here earlier..." Without you qualifying this comment in your previous post, YOU said it.

As far as this quote you are referring to is concerned, once again, you are twisting words. Grace Park never said exactly what you or anyone else is suggesting. This is the INTERVIEWER'S INTERPRETATION of what she was saying. She doesn't even finish her sentence in the quote.

>Why does it bother you that I said it?

Why does it bother you that I am "bothered" that you said it?

>You seem bent on looking for reasons to argue with me, evident in every time you post on here.

In case you haven't looked back far enough, I didn't just show up in this forum yesterday.

Added: Sunday 14 October 2012 09:37:58 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Oscar,

You don't know how to read. I never said Grace was complaining all the time. Rainbow Warrior said that.My comments were in reference to the statement he made, and Mike and I posted numerous links to articles where Grace complained about the role herself. Those links are there during this month or last. Al you have to do is scroll down or find them or, since you can't be bothered to do that, here it is:

"You get the feeling from talking to the actors that working on a crime procedural is not their idea of acting bliss and that they cherish the few times "Five-0″ ventures into emotional character terrain. They all referred to this at times, with Grace being the most open about it. Though she didn’t come right out and say it, you get the idea that she may not have signed on for the show had she known the show was going to be so procedurally oriented. "I’m more cable. Character. I’m down with that,” she says. "If I had watched the show when I was younger. Or if I had watched more (current) television and was aware that CBS was the king of procedurals. … I didn’t know.” "

The comment was made here:

bit.ly/R5OopX

I posted this comment and this link earlier. You could have easily read it then. Rainbow Warrior is the one who said Grace was hot and cold to fans, and I never said a word about that, but her complaints about the role are her own.

I did mention that the actors didn't watch the original show? So what? Why does it bother you that I said it? They're playing roles on a show that is a remake of another series, so it's not too hard for them to be curious and want to see it, just so they could see what it was all about. Daniel Dae Kim did so. That it never occurred to Scott or Grace to watch some episodes after getting these roles, only reinforces their disinterest in the current role. I didn't say they had to be a fan of the original show, but if you can't understand the basic concept of them taking on roles on a show that is a remake of another show, and having the professional and creative curiosity to see the old show and their counterparts to familiarize themselves with the characters so they it could help them create or modify them, then I don't know what else to tell you. You seem bent on looking for reasons to argue with me, evident in every time you post on here.

Added: Sunday 14 October 2012 08:59:50 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Someone came to MofH50 who wanted to know who the canoeing team was that we saw in the closing credits throughout Seasons 2-12. Good question. Does anyone know who they were or how we might find out who they were? Kimo, do you know?

Added: Sunday 14 October 2012 07:15:35 MST


Submitted by: Oscar van Hemel
From: Seattle, WA

Vrinda, aren't you being hypocritical with your comments about Grace Park/Kono? If someone says anything even remotely bad about Jack Lord, you are quick to pounce on them, saying "That is tabloid garbage, no one really said that, whoever wrote it had a grudge against Jack Lord," etc. So aren't you doing the same thing with Grace Park? You are saying "Complaining about everything **all the time** [the implication that she is still complaining now] will only make her appear uncooperative." Where is she "complaining ... all the time?" Of course you don't bother to provide links or references to this, thus perpetuating the "tabloid gossip" mentality which you so despise.

You are also commenting on the lead actors not watching the original show. SO WHAT? One could liken this to a symphony conductor performing a piece for the first time without having listened to other conductors' performances of the same piece.

All that said, I agree with much else of what you say, especially in regard to the bad writing on the show -- it seems like they are really phoning it in this season. I don't think the show has recovered (or will recover) from the Lori character last season, which was a huge mistake. I don't understand why they introduced this character in the first place. As a romantic interest for McGarrett? That backfired quickly, with the middle-aged AOL groupies reacting very badly, not to mention a lot of other fans. I can't see anyone buying the second season on DVD or Blu Ray as a result of this character, who wasted everyone's time with about two-thirds of the episodes.

Added: Sunday 14 October 2012 08:16:33 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Sad news, everyone. Gary Collins died today, in Biloxi, Mississippi. He was 74. Gary was in Season 3's "Dear Enemy." He became an announcer and disc jockey for Armed Forces Radio and began acting. After his military service ended he landed a starring role in the 1965 sitcom "The Wackiest Ship in the Army” and followed with regular roles in the TV series "Iron Horse,” "The Sixth Sense” and "Born Free.” He also had a string of guest star appearances in popular prime-time programs like "Charlie's Angels," and "Fantasy Island." He also co-hosted "The Home Show" on ABC from 1989-1994. RIP, Gary. :!cry:

Added: Saturday 13 October 2012 15:51:40 MST


Submitted by: Judy
From: Nebraska

I need your help. Somewhere I read that Jack Lord designed the badge for the show. After having so many request for badges form VIPs visiting the show he had Sun Badge Company make up extras. The early badges were not stamped. Can anyone come up with that article or confirm the story for me. I thought I had a copy of the article but can not find it. Thanks

Added: Saturday 13 October 2012 13:00:35 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Thanks, Virginia! Lenkov could use the help. Maybe I'll give him those stories on Fan Fiction I'm working on!

Added: Saturday 13 October 2012 10:22:29 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Rainbow and Vrinda said it so very well! Maybe we should suggest them as replacement writers for the series???

Added: Friday 12 October 2012 14:38:38 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Rainbow,

Thank you for your response. I also don’t understand the problem with the casting director. Casting directors do take their orders from the producers, so part of the blame is on Lenkov. Maybe he should spend less time on Twitter and more time on picking a better cast. I agree that his latest tweet makes him out to have a juvenile mentality.

Catherine (Michelle Borth) isn’t noticeably bad. The problem is that her character comes in with the audience expecting more from her than she delivers. She was introduced from the beginning as Steve’s girlfriend, and was in Naval intelligence, and used some of that expertise to help Steve when he needed it. She is pretty, but her character is nothing extraordinary or adds anything special, unique, or beneficial to the show. Since she is not an official member of Five-O, she shouldn’t be going with them to search for evidence or arrest a suspect. That the writers are having her do such things is an example of bad writing and planning. Is she a member of the team or someone on the outside who uses her navy connections to help them solve crimes? One or the other. She can’t be both.

I agree with you about Alex. He is a nice guy who enjoys what he does, and doesn’t complain. He lets the writers do what they have to, will only offer suggestions if it’s something interesting which he thinks will have a great impact on the audience. Like you said, the main problem with him is that he lacks the talent. He has the work ethic, attitude, and personality, but the talent isn’t there. He’s not channeling that real-life personality into his acting, something which Jack Lord did successfully. That the writers write action hero scenes for him is no coincidence. He does the action scenes very well, but is as weak in dramatic scenes as he is strong in action scenes.

I also have the same thoughts on Scott Caan. I’ll give him credit for being honest about his feelings. Why he was hired is a mystery. If his contributions to the scripts are the arguments between Steve and Danno, which shows Scott’s abilities as a writer are limited. If he didn’t want to do a police procedural, he didn’t have to. There were other actors who auditioned for this role who probably wanted to do it. Michael Shanks from Stargate was one. He could have made a better Danno. Scott didn’t work with Lenkov or the other producers anywhere before that I know of, so I wonder why they wanted him for this part. Scott even laughed and said in one interview that he didn’t know if Danno on the original series was from Hawaii or not. He said in another interview that he never watched the original as a child and didn’t see any episodes when he got the part because he didn’t want to be influenced by them. This is one occasion where some influence – even a little bit – wouldn’t hurt.

I have hostilities against Grace Park’s Kono because they were taking a character that had been a male originally and made it into a woman to serve some politically correct quota. They could have kept Kono as a man, hiring a Hawaiian actor for the part so there was some authenticity in the casting, and created a female character for Grace. That is called creative license, and it wouldn’t have been too hard to do. Even then, Grace’s Kono is also written in an uneven pattern. She’s a rookie, yet she’s a rookie with expert marksmanship? It takes a lot of training over many years to achieve that. You don’t come out of the police academy with sniper skills. Kono being able to do some of the physical stunts – punching out a big surfer man in the pilot and, most recently, pulling Chin up over the edge of a building – defied logic. Chin weighs more than Kono, and she could not have pulled him off the top of that ledge with one arm, or even two. If Grace didn’t want to do police procedurals, what stopped her from asking about that when she took the role? She said she never saw the original at all, but I doubt she never heard of it. The name would have sounded familiar and prompted her to ask questions. Complaining about everything all the time will only make her appear uncooperative. Didn’t the producers do an audition and interview her? Then they would have gotten an idea of her personality and if it suited the show. She said in an interview that she was cast two weeks before filming began. I wonder if other actresses were considered. It could not have come as a surprise to Grace that doing this show would require living in Hawaii for nine months out of the year, and her time with her family would therefore be limited.

Daniel Dae Kim and Mark Dacascos were the best casting for this show. Too bad they gave Chin the short end of the stick in that money in the locker storyline, and then killing off his wife. It’s also unfortunate that Wo Fat is being overused for every other episode and tied into every crime like he has some monopoly on crime in Hawaii. That is going to make the character wear out his welcome fast.

Christine Lahti’s character suffers from the same problem as everything else on this show – bad writing. They make Mrs. McGarrett out to be very non-caring about her children and her husband. She didn’t show any reaction when Steve told her that Hesse killed his father, and didn’t ask about Mary Ann. Now, she’s skipped out on leaving the country and got the plane to turn around and go back to Oahu. How did she do that? Are the writers just writing whatever pops into their heads, or are they that unconcerned about developing these characters and storylines properly? Christine is a good actress, and deserves better than what she is getting. Mrs. McGarrett is on her way to joining the club of badly-developed characters on this show.

Added: Friday 12 October 2012 13:50:05 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Vrinda,

I agree with Mike that Catherine is hot, but as an actress she's nothing special. Not great, not horrible, just there. The casting director on this show is terrible, or whoever is responsible for the casting on the new show in my small opinion hasn't done a very good job. Let's look at it.

Alex-Likes the show, works hard, nice guy, earnest, wants to do a good job, but doesn't have the ability to carry the show which is why they have to bring on strong guest stars to make up for his weaknessess.

Scott-The weakest link in the show. He doesn't want to be on the show as he's stated, and misses living in LA. Isn't too thrilled with being in Hawaii, doesn't like doing a police procedural and has them write in the "arguments" with Mcg every week just so he's not bored with his job. He actually has fans not minding if the Danno character left the show to go back to NJ.

Grace-Terrific actress, is doing a nice job as Kono. She's pretty, likeable as the character, but behind the scenes she is reportedly unhappy about doing the show and said she didn't know that CBS was the "king of procedural's." She misses the US mainland as well, and I've read mixed reports that she is hot and cold with fans in Hawaii, which I don't know how true they are. Why hire her if she was a bad match for the show, especially when it sounds like she does nothing but complain about things on the set. Again all of that is based on things I have read here.

Daniel Dae- The one truly great hire, has everyone wishing they would call the show "Chin Ho."

I like Christine Lahti and always have going back to her role opposite Al Pacino in ".....And Justice For All." which was one of my favorite films, and the new Wo Fat is good, but overall the casting has been poor.

One last thing related to Mike's post about Lenkov below. He seems rather immature and needs to grow up a bit.

Added: Friday 12 October 2012 07:02:22 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Peter Haskell, who portrayed Art Walker in "The Flip Side is Death," was on the Mary Tyler Moore Show tonight on MeTV. I think I liked him better as Art Walker.

Added: Thursday 11 October 2012 18:35:37 MST


Submitted by: Tony
From: SF

Caught a few minutes of the most recent episode with Dano and McG stranded on a dingy in the middle of the ocean. They managed to make the beautiful deep blue pacific ocean look grey/green and muddy.

Added: Thursday 11 October 2012 15:47:51 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

At least one rotten show is gone. Why did they need to hire a British actress to play a Jersey girl? I don't believe for one second that they couldn't find any actresses in the New Jersey/New York area to play the lead.

About: Catherine Rollins

What do you all think of Catherine? I know Mike thinks she's hot, but does anyone here think that Catherine adds to the show in a better way than Lori did? She smiles too much and is too casual. Even the scene where she hugs Steve after he and Danno get off the boat, she didn't seem convincing as to being relieved that Steve was alright. She looked like she was just going through the motions and not putting enough feeling into it. Even in the season opener, where she was talking to Mrs. McGarrett, she was just casual and smiling the whole time. There isn't a lot of range to her. I noticed the same thing on Combat Hospital.

Added: Thursday 11 October 2012 12:52:41 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

ahem!

MADE IN JERSEY OUT!

http://news.yahoo.com/cbs-makes-made-jersey-falls-first-victim-192357956.html

Added: Thursday 11 October 2012 11:25:54 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Another correction: Bitly did not connect to the correct link. Sheesh! Just google Glenn Cannon - University of Hawaii, and you'll find him and his picture.

Added: Thursday 11 October 2012 07:36:55 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Correction: Glenn is in his 18th year as president of the Hawai'i chapter of the Screen Actors Guild. Follow this link to see a recent picture of him.

http://bit.ly/U4aKKA

Added: Thursday 11 October 2012 05:51:21 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Glenn Cannon last appeared on two episodes of "Lost" (2004-2005). Inasmuch as he appeared on Broadway between 1955 and 1960, he must be about 80 years old. Even so, his page on UH's Department of Theatre and Dance says he is in his 44th year as a professor and his 17th year as president of the Hawai'i chapter of the Screen Actors Guild. Go there to see a recent picture of him.

Added: Thursday 11 October 2012 02:50:45 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Hi, KD,

Yes, Glenn Cannon is still alive. He teaches theater and acting at the University of Hawaii at Manoa. It would be nice to see him guest star, maybe as the judge presiding over the cases from these investigations, which eventually get thrown out for all the breaches in protocol and infractions committed by the team!

Added: Wednesday 10 October 2012 21:29:51 MST


Submitted by: Maxine
From: Brooklyn

I'm watching the 1969 bio-pic CHE! directed by Richard Fleischer. Omar Sharif stars as Che Guevara, Jack Palance is Fidel Castro, and Cesare Danova is Ramon Valdez. But the second-line cast is brimming with Five-O alumni - I counted no fewer than eight! These are...

Robert Loggia ("The Execution File")
Barbara Luna ("A Thousand Pardons - You're Dead," "A Lion in the Streets")
Frank Silvera ("Paniolo")
Albert Paulsen ("Just Lucky, I Guess" plus three other eps)
Linda Marsh ("Sweet Terror," "Force of Waves," "Image of Fear")
Rudy Diaz ("The Banzai Pipeline")
Richard Angarola ("Anybody Can Build a Bomb," "A Bullet for El Diablo"
Paul Picerni ("Yesterday Died and Tomorrow Won't Be Born")

Added: Wednesday 10 October 2012 21:18:36 MST


Submitted by: KD MCG
From: I will write the script...!

H5--that is what Lenkov stated...to me, better scripts would be a homage lol

Is Glen Cannon who played John Manicote still alive? Last I heard he was a teacher in Hawaii? Might be interesting to have him guest star!

Added: Wednesday 10 October 2012 19:17:02 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Not to sound ugly, but does the fact that a man wears a hat when he's 20 degrees north of the equator really mean he's paying homage to Jack? I thought it meant he was trying to avoid heat stroke, sunburn, etc.

Added: Wednesday 10 October 2012 17:53:27 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Mike, it probably was the IMDb. I remember reading something like that there.

Added: Wednesday 10 October 2012 16:24:42 MST


Submitted by: KD MCG is back
From: Hello Vrinda!

The last show was very poor. And, now we have "boatguments"-the way Danno carries on, I am surprised MCG didn't throw him overboard!

All in all, a very poorly constructed episode with way too much banter and a poor script. The hatw as obviously a nod to Jack Lord.

Added: Wednesday 10 October 2012 15:51:53 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Bill K,

I already have those 3 Criterion commentaries for DN, FRWL, and GF. I got them from that site about a year ago. I think they were yanked because there is some swearing in there from Young, Hamilton, and Hunt. Also Hunt has some disparaging things to say about Daniela Bianchi's legs (in FRWL) and Tania Mallet's acting (in GF).

But mostly it's the same stuff that we already heard on the official DVD commentaries. By the way, yes Terence Young does have great things to say about Jack Lord. He really liked him in the part.

Added: Wednesday 10 October 2012 11:47:54 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Vrinda, I read somewhere -- I can't remember where, whether it was on Twitter or at IMDB, for example -- that when someone asked Lenkov on Monday night how Katie the wife suddenly had the expertise to disable the boat, he replied on Twitter that she Googled "how to f**k up that particular brand of yacht" (I am paraphrasing here). However, I can't find this by looking at Lenkov's Twitter feed.

Added: Wednesday 10 October 2012 10:05:54 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

There are conflicting opinions about Catherine's involvement with Five-O as per this WWW page at 50undercover.com

http://www.50undercover.com/2012/10/09/according-to-mel-3x03-lana-i-ka-moana-two-men-in-a-dingy/#comments

===

With regards to Cath, that the task force is technically a cross-jurisdictional task force with members from HPD and the Navy (and in the first season, a civilian), and they’ve had others randomly suit up and join them at will (Jenna – CIA and Joe – Navy) whenever it suited, so it didn’t seem odd or out of place to me that she would join them, especially when they were two men down, especially when one of those men is her boyf–er, thing. Or whatever he is.

Even on leave, Cath is still Navy, not a civilian. Still authorized to carry a weapon (for life, actually, unless she were dishonorably discharged) in pretty much any state. So there’s no issue there, either. And 5-0 has "full immunity and means” as Steve just reiterated in 3.01, so they can pretty much pull in whoever until the Governor reins them in.

===

Legally, her being in a suspect’s house and not being a cop WOULD have an issue. It would be containment of a scene and chain of evidence. Navy though she may be, she’s not law enforcement so any lawyer could get a suspect off by saying that unauthorized personnel were on a site and handled evidence.

Not saying that this will happen, since this isn’t Law and Order, I’m just saying that just because Cath is Navy and Five-0 gets away with everything under that immunity and means (which actually even though Steve said that in 3.01 he was griping that the immunity and means thing wasn’t being honored because Chin was getting in trouble. A lot of us have been saying since S1 that the immunity and means – get away with murder card was getting hard to swallow)doesn’t mean she’s authorized to be on sites/crime scenes/suspects houses or interrogations.

And Cath has never been formally brought into Five-0 by neither the Governor nor Steve.

She’s doing this stuff off the books on her own time.

Again… maybe I’m nit picking, but I come from a cop/law enforcement family. I notice this stuff.

===

>Even on leave, Cath is still Navy, not a civilian. Still authorized to carry a weapon (for life, actually, unless she were dishonorably discharged) in pretty much any state.

Actually that’s wrong.

Very wrong.

This is one thing that drove me crazy about Joe working active cases.

The US Navy does not fall under the Posse Comitatus Act like the Army and Air Force but it does have Department of Defense directive that commands the same thing about active military and law enforcement. Which essentially military is not allowed to act on domestic soil unless under special circumstance which H-50 would NOT fall under.

Not to mention most states have victim privacy laws in place so *only* law enforcement and necessary support personnel can even come close to case file.

So Cath as active military is breaking Navy regs BIG time playing law enforcement on leave not to mention most state laws. Just because you’re military does not give you the right to play cop or carry a gun.

Keep in mind Steve is a Reservist, not active military, and governed by different rules. As a member of the Hawaii National Guard he is technically under the Governor of Hawaii’s command unless officially called up and activated by the US Navy. Then the above Department of Defense directives would once again apply to them. And even he would require the proper gun permits to own, transport, and carry concealed in the state of Hawaii.

Added: Wednesday 10 October 2012 09:53:28 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Mike, I'll belabor all I want. No people or animals were harmed as a result. Kabong away, I'm ready and armed. :!mad: (I found a nicer emoticon than this - two smiley faces hitting each other with baseball bats - but the link wouldn't work here.)

About the radio:

As with the valve in the engine, maybe - if it was inferred that Katie did it - the writers were further stretching on Katie's hidden expertise with boat technology. It would require some hands-on learning, though. Reading about it in a book isn't going to teach you everything about it, and they didn't make her out to be an expert on it. I think the writers were rushing through that part of the storyline, since there was less time spent on it than Steve and Danno lost at sea. If they had more to develop the murder part, they could have explained it.

Added: Wednesday 10 October 2012 09:29:48 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Vrinda, you don't have to belabor the fact that the two hats are not the same. Watch out, or you will be KABONGED! :D

You are correct about Scates and Katie, Burgess's wife. They were both very dumb.

By the way, why was the radio on Burgess's yacht dead? Doesn't the radio run off a battery, rather than requiring the engines to be functioning? Or was it said somewhere that Katie damaged the radio too? (I don't want to watch this show again to figure this out.) If she did, that would possibly give someone a major clue that something was wrong before the murder of Burgess could take place -- like Burgess himself.

Added: Wednesday 10 October 2012 08:57:10 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

There is no way those two hats are the same, or even similar. Jack's hat is flat-topped with a decoration on the brim, while Alex's had a rounder top and is a little more loose.

As for Episode 303, where the writers jut throwing anything together, hoping it would stick? Scates didn't even bother to wear gloves, leaving his fingerprints and giving himself away, and the whole murder-for-inheritance storyline has been done over and over, and the usage of it here didn't add anything new. Katie is stupid in another way: she hired someone as dumb as Scates for this job. She had to have known what kind of mentality he possessed. He wasn't some anonymous hit man she hired through contacts.

Added: Wednesday 10 October 2012 08:27:30 MST


Submitted by: Mr. MIke
From: Vancouver

My thoughts on the most recent episode, mostly rehashed from what I have already posted here:

http://fiveohomepage.com/2010-log3.htm#3

Added: Wednesday 10 October 2012 01:50:41 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Did anyone notice in the last episode the wacky hat that O'Loughlin as McGarrett was wearing, perhaps a tip of the hat (no pun intended) to some of the unusual headgear that Jack Lord sported during the original show's run?

Someone tweeted me that on Monday night, Lenkov sent a message on Twitter which shows JL wearing one of his hats -- http://twitpic.com/b2ad6y -- suggesting it is the exact same hat, but this is not the same one. Compare to http://fiveohomepage.com/images/aol-hat.jpg

Added: Wednesday 10 October 2012 00:34:48 MST


Submitted by: Bill K.
From: Detroit area

Here's a 007 related item about Jack Lord that takes a little setting up.

In the early '90s, the first Bond laser disks with commentary tracks appeared. Participants included directors Terence Young and Guy Hamilton, screenwriter Richard Maibaum and editor Peter Hunt.

Problem: Criterion, the maker of the disks, didn't tell Eon Productions these commentaries were going to be appear. They got yanked.

Anyway, the audio commentaries can be found at this link:

bit.ly/SKeDo7

Young and Hunt are pretty complimentary about Jack Lord. I forget for sure, but Maibaum may speak up as well. I listened to these late last year. They don't talk a huge amount about JL but it's more than a sentence or two.

Added: Tuesday 09 October 2012 13:17:10 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

>Ah, the good old days...

Not only TV, but music and radio too had gone down the toilet the past 20 years, which is just a reflection of this society.

I was looking up some lyrics to an "oldie" song and Google led me to YouTube video, and was shocked to see just how many people complain about the quality of today's music, songs and music-videos. So many wishing back for the 80 and 70s where lyrics and videos had a real message, really could move you emotionally and done with much more creativity and thoughtfulness.

As our society becomes more brainless and superficial, so too goes the way of radio, TV, etc.

The current Hawaii Five-0, unfortunately, fits right into that brainless stuff. Every episode is full of obvious blunders, lack of thought, meaningless talk, etc. that can't move an ant emotionally

Added: Tuesday 09 October 2012 12:53:18 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

The comedy sketches on Carol Burnett's show were slapstick, yet they carried a deeper thread of truth that made one think. I am thinking of a sketch about a writer and her characters.

Carol is seen typing. A narrator tells what she is writing. It sounds like a scene from a short story or novel. Behind her are a half-dozen characters, who come forward as the novel progresses to act out what Carol is writing for them. Carol changes her mind, pulls out the paper, wads it up, and tosses it aside. The character goes back and gets in line. Carol begins a re-write. This goes on several times. Finally, the characters start to get mad at Carol. Can't the woman decide what she wants them to do!?! If I recall correctly, when the skit ends, the characters are chasing Carol, seeking revenge, etc. Whenever I can't decide what I want my characters to do and start deleting what I've written, I think about those characters and imagine that mine feel the same way about me. :D

Added: Tuesday 09 October 2012 12:01:18 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"Carol Burnett said as much last week on "The Tonight Show" about the writing of many comedy shows today, and I think it applies to dramas as well."

Interesting you should mention this because I just happened to catch her appearance on Jay Leno last week. I was just flipping through channels and there she was - Carol Burnett. She said that she can't get into today's shows - she just can't relate to them. Also she mentioned what a great lineup Saturdays used to have back in the 70s - ALL IN THE FAMILY, MARY TYLER MOORE, CAROL BURNETT, M*A*S*H, etc. Leno absolutely agreed with her and said that today Saturdays are reserved strictly for showing repeats of episodes that were already shown earlier in the week. Nothing to look forward to on Saturdays anymore.

Heck, I remember as a kid looking forward to WALKER TEXAS RANGER every Saturday night. Sure, it's a cheesy show when you watch it now with grown-up eyes. But it sure was awesome when you were a kid and needed a good dose of Chuck Norris action. :) So my sister used to look forward to DOCTOR QUINN MEDICINE WOMAN (remember that show? with Jane Seymour) while I used to look forward to WALKER. Both were CBS shows. Ah, the good old days.

Added: Tuesday 09 October 2012 10:35:13 MST


Submitted by: Baba Looey (a.k.a. Mr. Mike)
From: Arizona Territory

Hey, Queekstraw, you forgot the other example from last week's show, also referred to below.

Five-O goes to the house of MacNamara, the racing car driver. They see a picture of him and his daughter. Chin Ho finds an envelope with large writing like kidnappers usually use which says WE HAVE HER. Chin powers up a laptop computer which shows a video or a live feed of the kidnapped daughter all tied up.

McGarrett: "No wonder MacNamara drove the getaway car, they have his daughter."

KABONG!!

Added: Tuesday 09 October 2012 10:26:46 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: Quick Draw's town

"Maybe I'm starting to view this thing as a kid's comic book, rather than a legitimate program.....Maybe the new time slot they give this show should be 8:00 on Saturday morning."

Oh, H1F, you have given me an idea. I propose that after each week's ep, we give out an "El Kabong" award (to a member of our Fantastic Four for overstating the obvious). I know you guys and dolls remember El Kabong from your childhood days. Here's my nominee from last week's epy. (I haven't seen last night's ep yet)

Kono: "There was some art work stolen on December 7, 1941."

Chin: (wait for it!!! wait for it!!) "That's the day Pearl Harbor was bombed."

KAAAAA-BOONNGG!!!! :!headbang: You've just been "kabonged." Does your head hurt now?

Kudos to the gent that mentioned this scene below. I realize that Mr. Mike might nix this idea because some may view it as too draconian.

Added: Tuesday 09 October 2012 09:43:16 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

I forget which poster said it, but the first year that the new Five-O was on the air, this poster said that he felt the new show was a parody of the old one, making fun of it. I finally saw that last night when Danno and Mcg were on the boat fighting as usual. It's like they are doing a spoof or parody of the old show and the relationships of the old established characters--- basically making fun of them. I actually felt like I was watching the tv version of the Mad Magazine spoof of Five-O in the 1970's that came out when they were arguing on the "dinghy." For the poster who first said that this is a parody two years ago-hats off to you for getting it right away.

Also, it seems that every new show ending all wraps up the same way. They gather at the beach either at night or during the day, eating and drinking beers all but saying "It's Miller Time!" and clinking their bottles. It's like watching a beer commercial every week. They say that writers should write what they know, so it's obvious that's today's young writers don't have much life experience because that is what they know.

Carol Burnett said as much last week on "The Tonight Show" about the writing of many comedy shows today, and I think it applies to dramas as well.

Added: Tuesday 09 October 2012 09:19:29 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

TV By the Numbers: Five-O is certain to be renewed

http://bit.ly/PTkTFz

Monday night ratings: Five-0 up a bit, Revolution down a bit

http://bit.ly/QaT51F

Added: Tuesday 09 October 2012 09:05:04 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Re: "H50 1.0 FOREVER, did you fall and hit your head (LOL)? Is this the first time you have used the word "excellent" in relation to the show?"

LOL. Maybe I'm starting to view this thing as a kid's comic book, rather than a legitimate program. Spideyman walks up the side of the building, kung fus everyone in sight, disappears into the bat cave in the weirdest looking car since the Addams family's whatever that thing was. Maybe the new time slot they give this show should be 8:00 on Saturday morning.

Added: Tuesday 09 October 2012 03:22:05 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

H50 1.0 FOREVER, did you fall and hit your head (LOL)? Is this the first time you have used the word "excellent" in relation to the show?

I would disagree that this show had elements of a police procedural. If the show really wanted to have such elements, every time the Fabulous Four come up with a theory of some kind, they should consider exactly the opposite theory. Has there ever been a case solved on the new show where someone was 100% guilty from the beginning with no red herrings and weird logic?

More stuff that I have thought about...

• How would the wife have contacted Scates after he was fired because he was stalking her (this is a known fact). Wouldn't he have put two and two together? He must have been VERY stupid. But the wife was dumb, too. Her relationship with her husband's sister is established as being "edgy." (What is the thing that the sister says that pisses the wife off?) Why did she invite her to the house when she knew the police would be showing up with bad news? Kono totally picks up on the negative vibes between the two. This was accompanied by the usual banal "accompaniment to a police interview regarding someone who died" music.
• Max offers Danno some "unguent" for his sunburn. What was the point of this scene? STUPID!
• Burgess' wife would inherit "millions." How do we know this? This was never established earlier. (Yes, I know they live in a nice house, but ...)
• This one really annoyed me. Kono says she checked with a law firm that Burgess contacted regarding a divorce from his wife. She says "according to the suits [presumably the lawyers at the firm], the pre-nup would have left her with nothing." HUH? What about lawyer/client confidentiality? If this pre-nup is on the public record, why mention "suits" in connection to it?

Added: Monday 08 October 2012 22:02:47 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

I have question if the writers are even human beings. Who would believe the relationship between Danno and Magerret? Their talk, their reating to one anotehr, even their "arguments" are so superficial, corny, artificial, made up, non-real life--it is painful to watch it. it just gets worse.

I think this series has sunk to lows that it can not recover from anymore.

Added: Monday 08 October 2012 21:29:41 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

That's alright, Big H. Be as graphic as you need to be.

Added: Monday 08 October 2012 20:28:44 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Except for the incessant boat-guments, I thought this was an excellent episode. This season seems to engage a bit more police procedural than the past two seasons. I don't see why the wife couldn't know how to tamper with the boat's engines and radio. She's probably been going out on boats for years. The bit with Kono rescuing Chin was, indeed, far fetched, completely defying the law of gravity, but I'm glad we didn't lose Chin.

If the writers just wouldn't try so hard... If they would just let the show go with the flow, instead of trying to provide a shocking surprise around every corner... The story seemed anxious to tell itself, and the premise was strong enough for it to have done so.

Yes, ashes are sprinkled off the coast of Honolulu, Waikiki, Kahala... But remember the old custom from the boat days. Upon departing, tourists would drop their leis into the water. If the leis floated towards the shore, it meant the tourist would return. If not... Who knows? Maybe the REAL McGarrett, Kono, and Duke will return. ;)

Added: Monday 08 October 2012 20:13:17 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Since I have seen tonight's show ahead of most of the rest of the population, the following is full of SPOILERS, so do not read if you haven't seen the show yet!!

The first half of the show was OK from a technical point of view, since it was mostly McGarrett and Danno in a dinghy taking on water and a couple of other boats. They are out on the ocean in the middle of nowhere, catching tuna when this guy named Gil Scates appears in a dinghy like he is in need of rescue. He pulls out a gun and makes the Five-O duo jump into the drink. There are scares with a shark, and eventually McG and Danno find the boat where Scates came from, which contains a dead body, a guy named Al Burgess. Nice photography and so forth. But Danno was whining non stop about everything. It was awful! We did learn why Danno didn't like the water (some childhood friend of his drowned because of a rip tide while trying to rescue Danno). Once they got back on land, it was the usual red herring case, with them tracking down Scates. This leads to an interesting stunt where Scates knocks the pursuing Chin Ho over the side of a building and he is hanging on for dear life. Kono, who was away from the scene briefly, returns, and notices Chin. She rushes up to the top of the stairs (after some kung fu moves immobilizing Scates who is trying to escape) and manages to PULL CHIN BACK UP!! Can you believe this ... GP is definitely a light weight, and she is leaning over the edge at the top, you would think that Chin would pull her down for sure! Anyway, the writing of the show goes into the dumper from this point on. It turns out Burgess's wife hired Scates to knock off her husband. But the implication is the wife screwed up the boat's engines so that Scates would be caught on the high seas, a patsy for her husband's murder. How could the wife do this? Would she have had this kind of technical knowledge? Five-O rushes to Burgess's house to arrest the wife, but Burgess's sister (who is around whenever we see the wife) knocks her off first. The ending of the show is sucky, as the team gobbles down a tuna fish that Danno caught and Kamekona prepared.

Added: Monday 08 October 2012 19:06:26 MST


Submitted by: bigH
From: nc outer banks

Mr.Mike...regarding your question on engines & HP, there is no "standard" HP rating (except for stock production engines at "X"rpms). This is because various things can affect HP output, such as fuel-to-air mixture, belt timing and the amount and temperature of the air that can be drawn into the engine. However, 700+ HP is a reasonable figure for an engine that is jacked up on nitrous oxide. The NASCAR engines get 600+ HP and they are definitely NOT running NO.

Regarding the dumping of ashes scene, let me clarify....I have no issues with this per se as I realize many of our 5-0 starz have chosen that type of burial and I too would like to be sprinkled at sea......I was just questionong the choice of location....Waikiki, arguably the most populated beach in Hawaii?!?! There has to be better suited locales for that sort of thing. Who wants to end up in someone's hair? I could be really graphic here but Vrinda or H1F might reprimand me!!!

Added: Monday 08 October 2012 18:34:22 MST


Submitted by: Joekido


From: Well I'm going to watch the reboot, just to see how bad it could get

Added: Monday 08 October 2012 15:25:31 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

may or may not see tonite's show

REVOLUTION as i said before blasting the competition

move the show to Fridays!

Added: Monday 08 October 2012 14:58:25 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Oh there is plenty of surfing in Waikiki. That's where I took my surfing lessons when I was there in 2008. Obviously Waikiki is not the place for serious surfers (North Shore is the place for that) but it's certainly the place for beginners and tourists.

In fact you have to be careful when you're swimming in Waikiki because those surfers are shooting past you all the time. And most of them aren't exactly pros.

Added: Monday 08 October 2012 14:22:50 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Waikiki isn't where serious surfers go. As Jennifer Fair (Pamela Susan Shoop) said in "School for Assassins" (Season 12), Waikiki has baby waves. Serious surfers go to the North Shore and to Makaha.

Due to the high cost of funerals, many Hawaiians opt for cremation, which costs about 1/5th as much as traditional burial. They often have their ashes sprinkled off-shore. Jack and Marie did, Herman Wedemeyer did, Gilbert "Zulu" Kauhi did, Bruddah Iz did...

As for contamination of the ocean, I wouldn't worry about it. The ashes of a human body aren't even a thimble full compared to the size of the Pacific Ocean. Besides, the ashes come from an oven heated to between 1600 and 2000 degrees Fahrenheit. Not a germ could hope to survive.

Just as traditional embalming is criticized for the toxicity of embalming fluid, cremation is criticized for the toxic emissions from the crematorium. Today, more and more people are choosing what is known as green burial. Some are buried in pine boxes; others are merely buried in shrouds. No blood is let; no embalming is done. Burial must take place very soon after death, and death must have occurred by non-infectious causes. Actually, what we call green burial has been done for centuries in Europe and beyond.

Added: Monday 08 October 2012 10:43:24 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Big H, the question I had when Max made the pronouncement about 762 HP was whether this is a realistic figure. I mean, would it be EXACTLY 762 HP, as opposed to 761 HP or 763 HP? Is 762 HP a known quantity for these muscle cars?

As far as the ashes being dumped in the water is concerned, weren't JL's ashes also put out to sea, and Zulu's as well (and some of JM's?)? I'm sure ecological types would complain about this, but then they would run up against opposition against those who said that their complaints would be racist, against native Hawaiian traditions, etc. Poor Malia, her ashes will probably run into some Japanese tsunami debris!

There is precedent for people surfing off Waikiki in the new Five-0 itself (the episode last season with the diamond smuggling, for example). In the introductory titles to Hawaiian Eye, a precursor to Five-O, the stars are also shown surfing, presumably off Waikiki, and in the old show, didn't McGarrett and the very hot Sabrina Scharf's character gaze on people who were also surfing close to shore (though I don't recall the two of them were near Waikiki, weren't they on some other location like Sand Island when McGarrett was trying to hustle her).

Added: Monday 08 October 2012 10:08:48 MST


Submitted by: big h
From: nc

"best Felix Leiter? Jack Lord DR NO"

Ditto....I scoped around looking for info on Skyfall (like Ringfire, I can't wait to see it) and sadly I didnot see a Felix Leiter listed as a character. Darn... :!cry:

Anyway, finally saw last week's ep. Not a horrible ep to me, but here's a few amusing notes.

1) Max says something to the effect that " the cops would have never caught these guys b/c this engine is putting out 762 HP...." Really?? Just by looking at it you can tell that? That beats the hell out of the NASCAR guys b/c they still have to hook their engines up to a dynamometer to tell their engine HP output. Max needs to switch careers to NASCAR mechanic (these writers!!)

2)When the funeral groupies are paddling out to the middle of Waikiki bay to dump the ashes, Grace Park looks scared to death that a great white is going to take her down. And Kono is supposed to be some champion surfer?!?!? And another thing.....do they really allow that?? (dumping ashes there) If so, EWWWWW...(double- ick) That does it, if I ever make it to Hawai'i, not swimming there!!!

3)Towards the end, when Chin and Danno are looking out at a calm sea, Chin reminisces that he met his wife there, and he found her surfboard for her when she lost it even when wearing an ankle tether. But the waters are DEAD CALM (note the candle floating in the water). Hmmmmm...hard to surf in that calm water??

Added: Monday 08 October 2012 09:51:14 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

SC5-0, I'll take the $8 million. Just deposit it to my PayPal account. I'll spend it - uh, take it from there. :D

Added: Monday 08 October 2012 09:04:00 MST


Submitted by: SC 5-0
From: CA

H50 - I also caught "The Lee Randolph Story." I had never seen the series before, & it was fun to watch Jack portray a different type of character. Although, there were definitely shades of McG as the intensity increased - not to mention the finger snapping! btw, according to an inflation calculator, $1M in 1958 would be worth about $8M today. Crazy to think about a gift of that size....

Thanks, Vrinda, for the heads up!

Added: Sunday 07 October 2012 21:51:09 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

It's in my DVR, waiting to be seen! I'll post my comments then.

Added: Sunday 07 October 2012 17:01:08 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Did anyone watch "The Lee Randolph Story"? I did, and it really shows how talented Jack was as an actor. The emotions he portrayed! The anguish, the fear, the perplexity, the anger... It was filmed in 1958, a scant five years after Jack began appearing on television.

Added: Sunday 07 October 2012 16:09:34 MST


Submitted by: Anne
From: Tangerine

I just found it confusing as I agree, name change is possible. but age is age. I remember the TV magazine back then would drag out and repeat stories. One about Jack's first marriage was very popular back in th 70's. Another one these pre-tabloid rags would say about James MacArthur was he and Melody Patterson had a child. I don't recall them having a kid. James and Joyce Bulifant (sp?) had 2 children. It's always goes to the old saying...believe nothing of what you hear and 1/2 of what you see in these cases. :!cool: Thanks!

Added: Sunday 07 October 2012 06:23:16 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Me TV is showing a mini-marathon of The Millionaire tomorrow between 2 and 6 pm. Jack's episode, "The Lee Randolph Story" airs at 5:30 EST.

Added: Saturday 06 October 2012 21:23:58 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Anne, there is no way you can "legally change your age." Your name, yes, but not your age. This would be like committing fraud because the day you were born is the day you were born ... you can't change it!

Added: Saturday 06 October 2012 19:22:47 MST


Submitted by: Bill
From: Florida

Most of the Bond films didn't employ many American television actors or actresses. Diamonds are Forever one of the exceptions, but actors Marc Lawrence, Sid Haig, Bruce Glover, Norman Burton, and Karl Held never did H50.

Added: Saturday 06 October 2012 17:37:37 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

about 007's 50th Bday. my best Bond films-
Moore=FOR YOUR EYES ONLY
Connery=THUNDERBALL
Craig=CASINO ROYALE so far
Dalton=LIVING DAYLIGHTS
Brosnan=GOLDENEYE
Lazenby, well he made that 1 good MAJESTY movie

Worst? LICENCE TO KILL

best Felix Leiter? Jack Lord DR NO

Added: Saturday 06 October 2012 14:41:57 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

H50 1.0 and Anne,

Stupid, jealous, mean reporters start these rumors. They make it sound as though their fabrications are true, when it's so easy to poke holes in them, and they depend on the fact that their reading audience is full of gullible simpletons who will believe everything they write.

Jack didn't say his age when asked by reporters, but they could easily find it. Some movie magazines cited comments from Jack's classmates who said he was born in 1920, or that he was a few years older than they were, and they gave their real ages. Some articles referenced the fact that Jack never talked about his age, but the reporter would give Jack's real age anyway.

One article I have from 1973 mentioned this, and gave Jack's age as 52, stating it was his real age - which is correct, so the story that Jack gave a phony age and kept his real age a closely-guarded secret that no one could ever find out is garbage. One article in one magazine will say Jack's age is unknown to everyone but him, and that he is lying about the age he is giving, while another article in another magazine prints his real age, so these reporters who insisted that Jack was lying about his age and no one knew the real age are full of hot air.

I also think those reporters were looking for reasons to pick on Jack, and constantly dragged the same stories out, over and over. From 1970 right into the late seventies, that nonsense about Jack's age was brought up time and again, as if these reporters had nothing else about which to write. It would have been more worth their, Jack's, and the readers' time to do an actual interview with him, and get to know the real Jack, and not the image the tabloids made up, rather than rehash the same unverifiable accusations and assumptions over and over.

Added: Saturday 06 October 2012 12:31:12 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Jack did not change his age, except in publicity statements. He did not change his name, either. He was John Joseph Patrick Ryan k/p/a (known professionally as) Jack Lord. He said so in court, under oath. Who starts these abominable rumors, anyway???

Added: Saturday 06 October 2012 12:10:06 MST


Submitted by: Anne
From: Tangerine

Been lurking for a while. I was wondering on the discussion of Jack and Maries age difference. When H5O was originally on the TV magazine at that time wrote that Jack legally changed his age from 1920 to 1928 (I think) in order to impress being younger to get better roles. Of course gossip is gossip. Has anyone else heard this? And also what does it matter? Marie was a classy cougar and great support to great man.

Added: Saturday 06 October 2012 06:43:35 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

LB,

That Jack wanted to do the film and wanted it filmed in Hong Kong showed that he invested in the project, and he had to have known that interviews to promote it were involved. It wouldn't make sense to agree to do the project on the condition that it be filmed abroad, go with a writer to scour locations, write the script, pitch it to the network, and then have a change of heart because making the film would mean publicity and people seeing him look different than he did ten years earlier and seeing how his health effected him, if at all.

Jack would have to act in the film, and people would see him there, so getting out of doing interviews because he was self-conscious of his looks would be meaningless.

You have a point about Jack making shopping trips to the Kahala Mall. A person who really has a phobia of socializing wouldn’t even do that much. That Jack was in a profession that required being in the limelight and interacting with all sorts of people debunks any notion that he was shy. He was reserved, didn’t socialize with everyone he met just to pretend to be friendly, and only had friendships with people he could trust. He didn’t try to be a friend to all, making him a friend to none at the same time. If he had a health issue, we can’t conclude what it was definitely, but the natural aging process will make a person look different over the years, and that is inevitable.

Someone told me they used to have get-togethers of the cast, crew, and fans in the eighties and Jack would attend them, but leave when lunch was being served. Marie would stay. Some people thought that Jack skipped out because he was ill but, if he was ill, he wouldn’t have gone in the first place. Maybe he didn’t want to go to these events for the full duration, or thought those sit-down meals were boring.

About Marie:

I think Marie looked younger than Jack because of her short stature - she was 5’4.” She was getting face tucks. There is no way a woman in her sixties can have skin that smooth. In order to be the woman behind the man, she had to be strong, supportive, and willing to help Jack in every way. She did more than cook, clean, and sew for him. She typed his scripts, answered his fan mail, helped him arrange whatever meetings he had with producers and directors, discuss roles with him, and help him rehearse. Jack called her his "right-hand man” and rightfully so. People said Jack trusted more than anyone else and always discussed his career moves with her. She was fully supportive of him becoming an actor and, being older, had the wisdom and patience to get him through and keep him focused. A younger woman wouldn’t have been able to do that. She’d have wanted the house, children, two-car garage, and white picket fence. Marie made her fortune and was financially secure when she met Jack. She had what she wanted materially and her physical (food, clothing, and shelter) needs were met. She didn’t have to demand those things from her husband, and insist that he get a "real job” to pay for all of it. She could devote her time to helping Jack succeed in his career. Without her, Jack Lord the actor would never have existed. Jack even said, "Without Marie, I’d have been a bum,” and he meant it.

Added: Friday 05 October 2012 22:37:41 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Happy James Bond Day everyone!! :)

Nice picks so far with the Bond alumni appearing on Five-0. But I can't believe folks forgot 007 himself - George Lazenby. Who of course appeared in the Singapore episode "The Year of the Horse". I guess it's true what they say about Lazenby being a trivia question. ;) No one seems to remember the poor Aussie. They remember Connery, Moore, Dalton, Brosnan, Craig. But not Lazenby. Well, he was the weakest of the Bonds - a non-actor when he took over the iconic role from Connery. He's easily my least favorite. It's all the more surprising at what a strong entry his film is in the series, despite his shortcomings. ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE is an epic Bond adventure - with some real heart!! Bond really falls in love and really gets married.

Another one missed is Richard Loo who was the Thai crime boss Hai Fat (a relative of Wo Fat?) in THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN. On Five-0 Loo was in "Twenty-Four Karat Kill".

Then there is Will Yun Lee from DIE ANOTHER DAY who played Sang Min on the new show and Ivana Milicevic from CASINO ROYALE who was in the 2nd episode of the new show - the one with Peter Stormare.

I think that's about it. Someone made a mistake about Steven Berkoff being on the new show. I just checked his credits and he wasn't. He's mainly a British theater actor. Though I totally loved his crazed Russian General Orlov in OCTOPUSSY!

Added: Friday 05 October 2012 15:53:52 MST


Submitted by: Tonny
From: SF

OttO:

Thanks for confirming what I suspected. Film was the only way to capture to beauty and light of Hawaii!!

The redux show is most certainly shot with some kind of digital video crapola.

Added: Friday 05 October 2012 15:29:35 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

Well done Jeff. I forgot the very cool Don Stroud was in that group. Donald Pleasance as Blofeld, the original Dr Evil! And Luciana Paluzzi - Yikes! What a beauty she was ...great thread topic.

Added: Friday 05 October 2012 12:04:17 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Speaking only for myself, of course, I agree with Mr. Lenkov about 1.0 fans liking to chill out on Mike's guestbook.

"Goldfinger" was also the first Bond film I ever saw. I didn't see "Dr. No" until MANY years later. Don't know why. It just sorta happened that way.

Robert Witthans was right. In January 1999, at the reunion, Marie was 93 years old. She was born on August 16, 1905, and died at the age of 100 on October 13, 2005. She was so strong and brave, yet she loved so deeply. I really admire Marie.

Added: Friday 05 October 2012 10:44:27 MST


Submitted by: Jeff
From: Denver

Rick, here's a few more Bond movie actors who appeared in H5O:
Teru Shimada ("You Only Live Twice"/ "The Reunion")
Luciana Paluzzi ("Thunderball"/ "My Friend, The Enemy")
Donald Pleasance ("You Only Live Twice"/ "The 90-Second War")
Christopher Walken ("A View to a Kill"/"Run, Johnny, Run")
Anthony Zerbe ("Licence to Kill"/ "Mother's Deadly Helper")
Don Stroud ("Licence to Kill"/ Various H5O episodes)

Plus Stroud, Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa and Steven Berkoff have all appeared in the new H50.

Added: Friday 05 October 2012 10:36:18 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Rainbow, I have never had any indication that the people who work on the new show check out my Five-O WWW site and this discussion board in particular. Of course, I'm sure they would not admit it. As I mentioned before, I was told that Lenkov considers this board to be the hangout of extreme fans of the old show, or words to that effect.

H50 Forever, when I was at the 1999 convention, Robert Witthans, who was kind of a gossipy guy, asked me how old I thought Mrs. Lord was (she was being interviewed close by). When I guessed some relatively low figure, his eyes bugged open and he said "She is OVER 90!"

Otto, there is an article about the filming of the first season of Five-O here: http://www.hawaiifive0.org/making.shtml

Added: Friday 05 October 2012 09:26:55 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

Yaphet Kotto, Maud Adams, Soon-Tek Oh ...and?

Added: Friday 05 October 2012 09:16:45 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Today is "International James Bond Day." So who connected with Bond was on the show, other than Jack Lord (first Felix Leiter) and Harold Sakata (Oddjob from Goldfinger, who appeared in season five's I'm a Family Crook -- Don't Shoot)?

The first Bond movie I saw was Goldfinger. It was so cool, I saw it FOUR TIMES. But I don't think I went to four separate shows in the movie theaters. In the old days, movies were shown almost one right after the other, and people could walk in to the middle of the film and just stay seated while they showed it again -- in other words, the management didn't clear everyone out of the theater after the movie was finished.

Added: Friday 05 October 2012 08:36:36 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

LB, according to the Social Security Death Index, Marie really was 15 years older than Jack (even older if you believe the publicity comments that he was born in 1928. LOL). Although face lifts kept her face looking young, if you look at her neck, you can see that she was older than her face said she was. Sometimes, I think she enjoyed the spotlight much more than Jack did, at least in the earlier years. More to the point, I don't think Jack ever expected to reach the level of stardom/popularity that he did with "Stoney Burke" and "Hawaii Five-0." If he knew how many fans he still has, especially in the younger generations, he probably wouldn't be able to believe it. I have several members on my JL website who are 14-21 years old. They are young enough to be Jack's great grandchildren!

Added: Friday 05 October 2012 01:13:13 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Mike,

Considering how it seems the people behind the new show read this board, I have a feeling now that "The Burning Lice" will now be an episode on the new Five-O. Can't wait for it to appear during February sweeps of 2013. They can have Danno get into another "argument" with McGarrett about his poor sexual hygiene. Don't laugh, look for it. ;)

H50 Forever,

I did not know about Hawaii's winter rains, so that was interesting to me. Thanks for the knowledge.

Ringfire,

Agreed with everything you wrote. Lou Antonio's performance WAS terrific.

Vrinda,

I loved the chase at Sea Life Park, and I watched "The Burning Ice" twice because it was such a good show. I disagree with you only about Linda Ryan though. I felt bad for her character. I feel for anyone whose husband or wife cheats on them and wants to leave them after years of marriage. I have a pet peeve about infidelty. Can't tolerate it, although most people probably feel the same way. I can't blame her character for being cold to Cooper who was carrying on with the pretty nurse.

Otto,

I thought it was 35mm film, that's the way it looked, but wasn't sure. God, the old Five-O looked great. My favorite format of all time was "Dimension 150" which was used on only two films one of which was the legendary "Patton." ..... Jackie Cooper recently died, so it was good to see him in this show.

Have a good weekend all!

Added: Friday 05 October 2012 06:47:36 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

Regarding the American Journal video, I do find Marie's explanation about shyness as to why Jack disappeared from public view a little bit of a stretch. Yes, I could see him not wanting to do any interviews or appear at the 1996 Five-O convention, but surely this would not have stopped him from at least going to Kahala Mall, where he was such a frequent visitor that they installed a bust of him there. Furthermore, had that movie that Vrinda referenced actually gone forward to production, he likely would have had some interviews to give regarding it. I believe it is very likely that he had some type of health issue and also didn't want the public to see him as he aged.

One other thing that caught my attention is that if Marie was born in 1905, she would have been 92 at the time of that interview. She didn't look 92 in that interview to me, though she almost certainly would have been in her 80s then. In pictures of her and Jack together, she didn't look 15 years older than him. In the 1999 interview a couple of years after this one, she did look some older but not 94 years old to me.

As for the reunion film that Vrinda referenced, I wonder if they would have filmed a new opening sequence for it. That opening theme was so classic that they rarely tinkered with it during the series' run, and Lord's appearance never changed from 1968.

Added: Thursday 04 October 2012 19:57:26 MST


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: New York County

Rainbow: The real Five-O was shot on 35mm motion picture film. And i believe they utilized the full-frame "Academy" ratio, to match the 4:3 ratio of television at that time, as opposed to the cropped projection used for most box office films back then.

"The Burning Ice" is a kick-ass episode. Jackie Cooper is always great.

Added: Thursday 04 October 2012 21:16:06 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

You're welcome, Tony. Jack just loved Hong Kong. Maybe there would have been some opening scenes in Oahu, then the storyline moves to Hong Kong. I did read a column from an entertainment writer in 1987 who said Jack was still going to the film, but gave no other information. Jerome Coopersmith is merely speculating, but knowing how networks meddle in productions, it was probably true.

Rainbow,

The Burning Ice is one of my favorite episodes of Season 4. It was well-written and well-acted. It looked like the doctor committed the perfect crime with the perfect patsy. The wife was no loss to the world, and Linda Ryan did her best to make her out to be a nagging shrew. The hired hit man was played brilliantly, and you really felt sorry for him. The rain gave it a good, dreary effect, and the way the doctor bored open the nozzle of the gun so it couldn’t be traced was clever. I liked the chase scene in Sea Life Park, and the cornering in the gift store.

Added: Thursday 04 October 2012 21:07:10 MST


Submitted by: Tony
From: SF

Thanks Vranda for the info on the aborted attempt by Lord on the reunion movie. Odd that they wanted to do it without the main character though , Oahu, well the second main character next to Lord.

Added: Thursday 04 October 2012 17:18:32 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"The Ways of Love" and "The Box" feature my favorite performances by Jack Lord! Both from season 1. Just goes to show what an awesome season that was!

Regarding "For a Million... Why Not?"... a very good heist episode indeed. But yes, Sam Melville's rant against hippies and pot doesn't make sense. What does that have to do with stealing lots of money? He's obviously bitter about something. Presumably the country itself. It seems like he really wants to hurt the establishment - to "stick it to the man", so to speak. This would make sense IF the establishment were the hippies and the pot-smokers. But they aren't. The hippies and the pot-smokers and the flower children are the anti-establishment ones. Seemingly just like him. So who exactly is he trying to hurt? It's not the hippies who are the bankers and the filthy rich. I think he has more in common with the hippies that he's ranting against than he realizes. I guess he's just a delusional Vietnam vet.

Also agreed on "The Burning Ice". Always loved this one. The rainy cinematography is one of the things that make it so special. Gives it that noirish feel. Also works really well within the context of Lou Antonio's character who is dying of cancer. Lou puts in a gut-wrenching performance by the way! Gotta love the memories theme that plays.

Added: Thursday 04 October 2012 13:44:04 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

RW, re: raining during "The Burning Ice" - -

As you probably know, wintertime is the rainy season in Hawai'i, and Five-0 filmed until around the 20th of December. So, if "TBI" was one of the last episodes filmed in Season 4, then it might well have been during the winter rains. I agree, the rainy background added a special air to the scenes. The only thing better would have been to show them riding down a rainy boulevard at night. Kalakaua near King Street would work very nicely.

Added: Thursday 04 October 2012 13:39:29 MST


Submitted by: RITA MELVIN
From: NORTH CAROLINA

I LOVE THE SHOW, BUT HOW COME YOU DON'T HAVE A TYRESE GIBSON OR JAMIE FOXX IN THE SHOW??????????????????

Added: Thursday 04 October 2012 13:04:41 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I have no idea what kind of equipment they are using for the current episodes, Rainbow. The photography has improved a lot since the first season when it was very yellowish. Some guy who works on the new show told me in a phone conversation some time ago that the first season jaundice look may have had something to do with volcanic dust from the Big Island.

With regard to "The Burning Ice," don't forget the thirteenth season show, "The Burning Lice"!

===

McGarrett's old girl friend/now journalist Margo Cooper (Carol Lawrence) returns to Honolulu, ostensibly to do a feature article on him for a major magazine, but the two of them pick up their romance from where they left off in season five's "Thanks for the Honeymoon." Goopy music by John Cacavas is heard as the two of them are seen in bed together (pretty shocking for the time this show was originally aired). However, the whole scene has a certain "virginal" air about it, as McGarrett still can't seem to make his mind up about whether he wants to commit himself to Margo. After Margo returns to the mainland, McGarrett seems very antsy when ordering the Five-O team around, much more than usual. Feeling he is under severe stress, he visits Doc Bergman who gives him a thorough checkup. Bergman tells McGarrett "You are suffering from an infestation of phylum Arthropoda, class Insecta, order Phthiraptera, suborder Anoplura, family Pthiridae, genus Pthirus, species Pthirus pubis." Exasperated, McGarrett tells the doctor, "English, Doc, English!" Bergman replies: "McGarrett, you've got the crabs."

Added: Thursday 04 October 2012 09:05:22 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

To all Season Four Fans:

Some thoughts on "For a Million Why Not?" and "The Burning Ice" which I viewed over the last few weeks. I find it hard to believe that Danno's salary for a state policemen in Hawaii was $184.00 take home as he stated at the end of "For a Million...". For those who were adults in 1971 is this a plausible salary for a state policeman at that time?

Also, I was perplexed by the motivation of the main baddie, the Vietnam vet with a stomach wound who declared that ripping off the six million dollars would somehow "save the country from peace, poetry and pot." How does having the money do that exactly? Doesn't make sense.

This was a pretty good episode, and I enjoyed the Five-o unit sans MCG solving the case on it's own with McG making sure Johnny Operta got life in prison, but it's good points were offset by another rushed ending like "Air Cargo" especially where Al Harrington is supposedly killed in the truck at the end, but yet we never actually see him in the truck.

"The Burning Ice" was a solid episode which I enjoyed, but most especially the show looked great. The videography and the color was superb, especially because it looked like it had been raining for most of the time the show was shot. The shots at Sea Life Park and the hopsitals were beautiful. It had kind of a "film noir" thing going on, especially the opening sequence after the main title when McG is talking to Jackie Cooper. It was gorgeous to look at. Does anyone know what format that Five-O was using to shoot on during the 1971-1972 Season Four?....Also Mike do you know the format that the new Five-O is shooting on this year, because Monday's show actually looked better, although the State still doesn't look as good as the way the old show presented the Islands.

Added: Thursday 04 October 2012 08:38:18 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

"The Ways of Love" is A-1! Indeed, Jack does display a broad range of acting skills. I particularly like two scenes:

- They are in Connie's apartment after breaking out of jail. McGarrett casually eats a sandwich while steering Dave Barca in the direction he wants him to go (catch a MAC flight from Travis to Hickam), all the while letting Barca think it's all his own idea.

- The last scene, when McGarrett is watching Barca take delivery of the jewels from Sensei. He removes the sunglasses and, with a setting of the jaw and a glinting of the eye, slides back into his McGarrett persona.

Added: Thursday 04 October 2012 08:10:54 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Monty,

"The Ways of Love" is a favorite of mine, Otto's and Big Chicken's. When I first started watching the old show's DVD's a couple of years ago, OTTO told me he loved "The Ways of Love" and it was one of his favorite's, and after I watched it I agreed. It's a terrific episode.

Added: Thursday 04 October 2012 07:01:39 MST


Submitted by: Monty
From: New Jersey

Re: The Ways of Love during the first season of classic Five - O. Jack Lord, in his loose, grinning impersonation of a convict, seemed to be channeling his performance in 'Man of the West' some ten years earlier. In that role he played a nasty mad dog sociopath so different from what we've grown used to seeing from him that it still seems like a revelation. Anyway, it shows he had some range and he probably enjoyed the chance to display it once again.

Added: Thursday 04 October 2012 05:20:09 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: music-lover's land....

Thanks for posting that link to the music, Mr. Mike. What a GREAT piece!!!

Just reminiscing about 5-0, two of the things that made it so phenom were the musical scores and the "who's-who" of great guest stars that the show attracted week in and out. When Mr. Mike asked last week about the ages of some of the former guests and if anyone had surpassed KMcC, I quickly went through a couple of seasons just grabbing names of former "senior" stars here and there, and the list was quite impressive. I don't mean to be a continual critic of the new show, but I just don't see PLenkov pulling in the talent that Freeman did week after proverbial week. Just my $.02

And as for the music library of 5-0, God if CBS only KNEW the gold mine that they are sitting on!!!! I would shell out big bucks for that library.... :!cry: (uh, re-mastered into stereo format, that is to say)

Added: Wednesday 03 October 2012 15:49:57 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I have posted my review of the Ed Asner episode here:

http://fiveohomepage.com/2010-log3.htm#2

I spent far too much time watching the episode (2½ times), thinking about it and writing this review. ;)

Added: Wednesday 03 October 2012 13:29:44 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Ringfire,

Many workplaces don't allow you to use the internet, and track your internet usage, and Virginia were just joking with each other. I'm not losing sleep over anything, and if it bothers you so much that I feel the need to defend Jack and the original show, then don't read my posts and don't respond to them.

If you were reading my last few comments, I responded the way I did because LB asked if I or anyone knew about Jack's last years. He addressed me in that statement, so I told him what I know. The information came from other people, and I had it, so I shared it. There was nothing there that would be offensive to anyone.

Rainbow then asked what I knew about a Five-O reunion movie that I mentioned, so I posted what information I found, which is taken from an interview on a website, and he thanked me and I responded.

Joe asked about a particular message board and if anyone has been on it. I have been on it, so I responded to him.

Virginia misunderstood my response to a question she asked, so I explained it. My last comment to her was hours ago, and she didn't take it as offense. None of this concerns you, and didn't lead to any arguments on here, so it shouldn't bother you. You could have easily started a new topic of conversation if you wanted this discussion to end.

I'll keep defending Jack and the original show as much as I want when the subject comes up and I have the information to share.

Added: Wednesday 03 October 2012 12:50:45 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Hey Vrinda. I'm at work and I'm still here. One can do both simultaneously. Believe it or not. ;) Doesn't take much to make a quick stop on this board a few times a day.

Anyway, you continue to perplex me in that you feel this strong need to defend the old show and Jack at every opportunity and at every turn. For example, you yourself stated in an earlier post that you purposely created an account on some site for the sole purpose of "setting some folks straight". And I can't help but wonder.... WHY???? I mean why does it matter? Why is this important?

I mean I only post on here and on IMDB and those are really the only 2 accounts that I have. Or that I even need. If I see something here or on IMDB that I want to chime in on then I'll do so. But I wouldn't even bother creating an account on some other site just because I have this urge to post some response. It just doesn't make sense. If I opened an account for every stupid thing that someone said so that I could "set them straight" then I'd probably have 200 accounts all over the web. To me that would be ridiculous and quite sad actually. Why would I waste my time doing that?? If someone thinks AOL is the Messiah then good for them. Let 'em think it. If someone thinks Lord was a creep then so be it. Why would I waste my time arguing with such a person?

Just my 2 cents. Remember - it's just a TV show. Both old and new. AOL/Lord is just an actor. Both strangers to me. Not worth losing sleep over.

Added: Wednesday 03 October 2012 12:19:14 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

If I was at work I wouldn't be here, Virginia.

Added: Wednesday 03 October 2012 10:00:27 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

looks like oct 20 , no FIVE O due to the final pres. debate.

Added: Wednesday 03 October 2012 09:28:04 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

You're welcome, Rainbow!

If I find any more information on that reunion movie, I'll post it here.

Added: Wednesday 03 October 2012 09:23:52 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

You have a bad day at work, Vrinda?

Added: Wednesday 03 October 2012 09:21:59 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

H5.0 1.0,

I didn't say that you thought both women were the same, but thinking they might be is a long shot.

If you consider these to be mysteries that are left for us to solve, then it perfectly acceptable to offer theories about them. I wasn't being uptight in my answer.

Since Marie was born in 1905, and this girl was probably in her twenties or early thirties when this episode was made (1973; aired in 1974), she couldn't have been Marie's baby sister, but maybe a younger cousin, if you're going for the same family tree angle.

Added: Wednesday 03 October 2012 08:52:53 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Vrinda, I asked whether this might be the same Danielle. I did not state that she was. We know that Jack and Marie did not do business with just anyone. If she was their publicist, for example, and thought it might be fun to be on the show, Jack just might have given her a role to play, don't you think? Again, I'm only asking. I don't know the answer to the question, and I doubt whether I ever will.

Actually, when I first saw her, I wondered if Danielle might be Marie's baby sister. For all I know, Marie did not even have a baby sister. Still, the question arose in my mind. They both have fair complexions and dark hair, and Danielle is a French name.........

So, as has been suggested, ease up. Please! The fun is in wondering and, on occasion, actually finding the answer. Jack (ergo, McGarrett) left us a great many mysteries to solve. Just let me know when I get my big office at the palace. I'm all packed and ready to move in. :D

Added: Wednesday 03 October 2012 06:45:53 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Thank You Vrinda!!! Really, Really interesting material on the Five-O Reunion Movie. Interesting that CBS still has the script.

Added: Wednesday 03 October 2012 06:42:42 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

If you want to listen to the music from "How to Steal a Masterpiece" (one of Stevens' best scores for the show), it is here:

http://fiveohomepage.com/music/masterpiece.mp3

Added: Tuesday 02 October 2012 20:35:40 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Joe and Mike,

I'm not out to cause trouble, but when those women made it clear that they didn't like the new show, there would be no reason for them to come on here. The woman who posted that remark was one of those people.

H50 1.0,

Danielle is a common name. That could be anyone. Danielle might not have been the woman's real first name.

Added: Tuesday 02 October 2012 20:26:51 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Putting last night behind me, I watched "How to Steal a Masterpiece" (Five-0 1.0 version). What a beautifully crafted script and performance! The timing is perfect, almost as if it all was set to the tempo of a metronome. The music is outstanding! Of course, Morton Stevens composed it. As I recall, it was high on the list we generated of episodic themes we hoped to have made available on CD. The humor of Jeff "the Kid" Koestler (Michael Anderson, Jr.), Charles Ogden (Luther Adler), and Forbes (Gail Strickland) were classic, especially when they played follow-the-leader with Five-0 all around Diamond Head. Something tells me Luther Adler would have been wonderful fun to know.

The only thing about the episode that bothers me is that, while Five-0 caught the mastermind behind the theft, they did not go after the men who committed the actual theft - the cat burglars. I think this is the only time when McGarrett didn't get everyone involved in a crime. Isn't it???

As for Evvy Bernstein, she was portrayed by a woman listed in the credits only as Danielle. A woman by the name of Danielle Douglass at McNeill Wilson Communications wrote Marie's official obituary in 2006. Could she be the same Danielle???

Added: Tuesday 02 October 2012 20:10:02 MST


Submitted by: Joekido


From: I think we need to take it easy Vrinda, causing trouble is not what I really wanted

Added: Tuesday 02 October 2012 18:35:40 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Why would they be "spies"? You don't need a user name and password to read anything that is posted on this site...

Added: Tuesday 02 October 2012 18:21:56 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Joe, looks like the new Five-O board has spies here:

"When you're a fan of the original who seems to want the reboot to fail (as many at mjq.net seem to be) you're probabaly not going to like an episode of the reboot regardless of its quality."

Added: Tuesday 02 October 2012 17:32:57 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

So far we've had carguments and beachguments. And probably many others that I've missed. I guess next week we're getting a raftgument??

Added: Tuesday 02 October 2012 16:28:00 MST


Submitted by: Will
From: Austin

Actually, I can see the show moving to either Friday or Sunday if Revolution keeps hammering it. Fortunately, thanks to the syndication deal with TNT, Five-0 will keep going through at least season four no matter where CBS slots it.

Added: Tuesday 02 October 2012 15:00:36 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

hmm
HOW TO STEAL A MASTERPIECE PART DEUX?

um....no

seriously, i lost an hour last nite, horrible episode indeed!

kono running towards the camera in the credits: an ode to danno in the old show credits?

perhaps next week be better--McG and Danno in the middle of the ocean? perhaps talking to sharks, an ode to what magnum did in an episode?

5-0 runnin out of gas fast!
move the show to Fridays , cancel the horrid MADE IN JERSEY!

Added: Tuesday 02 October 2012 10:47:29 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"Witsec means Witness Protection Program"

Haha! This I know very well because Arnold Schwarzenegger played a Witsec agent named John Krueger in the 1996 action thriller ERASER. James Caan was his boss at Witsec who was later revealed to be the main baddie. It's still one of my favorite action movies. Love it!

As for Asner's return yes I agree he wasn't as charming as in last season's episode. He was quite a jerk this time. And very sloppy! Really? How the heck did he not think about wearing gloves when handling a painting? I can't buy that his ego was so big that he thought he wouldn't get caught. We're talking common sense stuff here. I actually thought that he didn't wear gloves on purpose - because he wanted to get caught. For some further purpose. But nope. He just got sloppy apparently. I didn't buy it. Also what's with those carguments? Now Asner is getting in on it???? :D Anyway I didn't get the whole art theft story at all. Somehow it totally flew over my head. Who stole what? How was March involved? Blanksville, bay-bee.

As for the comparison between this episode and the second Filer episode "Odd Man In" I guess I have to disagree. I just watched the episode a little while ago and actually found it much more charming and engaging than the first time around. No, it's not as great as "Over Fifty? Steal" but it was a worthy follow-up I thought. Japanese actor Jiro Tamiya did a great job with his part as Goro (love that name!) Shibata (even though he was dubbed by voice actor Paul Frees) and Hume Cronyn delivered another Emmy-worthy performance as Filer. I thought he still had plenty of charm. Also I couldn't help but chuckle every time he was trying to think of an English word he would stumble over some gibberish foreign words - sounded like German. :D Well, Elmo Ziegler was German I guess.

Added: Tuesday 02 October 2012 10:46:48 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N

Hi, RW,

Coopersmith said in an interview that in 1985, he went to Hong Kong with Jack to look at locations for filming a reunion movie for Five-O. Jack wanted it filmed there, because he loved the location after filming "Nine Dragons” there. They came from the Central Dispatch newsletter at bit.ly/RxUMYm

James mentioned talking with Jack about the project into the early nineties as well, so whatever nonsense CBS pulled on Jack, it didn't put him off doing the film.

Here’s Coopersmith’s comments:

"Here is a chapter of 5-0 lore that is perhaps not widely known.

In 1985 I was hired by CBS to write a Hawaii 5-0 reunion show. Jack Lord wanted it shot in Hong Kong, rather than Hawaii. He had become enamored of the then-British colony’s exotic locations when he shot my 2-hour episode "Nine Dragons” there during the series’ regular run.

For research, the network sent me to Hong Kong where I met up with Jack. Doug Green, who was to be the director of the revival movie, was also there. Jack had specific ideas about what the general story line should be: something about modern-day pirates operating in the China Seas. In that, he was prophetic of things going on today.

The British colonial officials rolled out the red carpet for Jack, and as part of the project I enjoyed the VIP treatment too. They took us on a Royal Navy cutter to small picturesque islands lying off a part of China called the New Territories. Imagine crushingly narrow streets lined with pagoda-like buildings, chickens squawking as you dodge them, and throngs of Chinese in coolie dress haggling with vendors over open-air stalls. The islands were living museums of a 19th Century world.

On another day, Jack and I took a ferry to the island of Macao, a gambling mecca under Portuguese rule, not far from Hong Kong. In buildings that were virtual airplane hangars, Asian men in half-sleeve shirts - only men - shouted their bets in the game of fantan. It was hot and sweaty - a far cry from a James Bond glamorous casino. Not one tuxedo in the place.

On the ferry ride to Macao I saw the intellectual side of Jack. He was a virtual encyclopedia of literature (his favorite author being William Faulkner.) He explained to me that his father placed great value on reading, and enforced a reward-and-punishment system to ensure that his children read great books and could memorize passages from them.

After coming home, I wrote the script for a 2-hour TV movie entitled "The Return of Hawaii 5-0," using many of the locations I had seen. But the movie was never made. I'm not sure why. There were rumors of disagreement between Jack and CBS over who would have final control of the film's content. The script which belongs to CBS now sits in my files.

My wife and I enjoyed Hong Kong despite the oppressive heat that prevailed in June. We even had some clothing made there.

My best wishes to you for the holidays, and of course, Aloha.”

Added: Tuesday 02 October 2012 09:56:46 MST


Submitted by: Jamie Furlong
From: Vancouver, B.C.

Horrible, horrible episode.

Further to the complaint about how the show treats its audience as incredibly stupid was when Kono was talking about the unreported paintings that were stolen.

Kono: "Turns out these two paintings, along with half a dozen others, were stolen from an art dealer here on the island back on December 7, 1941"

Chin: "That's the day Pearl Harbour was attacked"

Seriously? Do people need to be spoon fed everything?

Added: Tuesday 02 October 2012 08:50:35 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

TV by the Numbers has Five-0 categorized as "toss up between renewal or cancellation by May, 2013":

http://bit.ly/R9QPXG

FLASH NEWS: Here are the figures from Monday night. Squashed by Revolution again!

http://bit.ly/PrTRF5

Added: Tuesday 02 October 2012 08:44:03 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Vrinda,

Could you please elaborate on the Hawaii Five-O Reunion movie that Jack Lord wanted to do, but didn't get done, that you mentioned below? This is the first I have heard of it, and I find it very fascinating. Could you please provide me with the details?

Added: Tuesday 02 October 2012 07:18:51 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Last night's show reminded me of the Hume Cronyn episodes from the original Five-O. The first appearance of the Filer character was charming and funny, but then they brought him back for another episode the next season, and the character was no longer charming, but annoying, and the writing for that episode was crappy compared to the first one.

In the original Asner episode of the new show, he was cantankerous but wary, not opening his mouth too much -- maybe because Fryer was there and he was much more no-nonsense than AOL's McGarrett. But in this episode last night, his character is far too cocky, and he gives Danno far too much mouth in a Danno-like fashion. As well, he is seen hanging around with criminal low-lifes and being very sloppy with regard to his fingerprints, his gun, etc.

You also have to wonder if he really would commit suicide. Supposedly we are to accept this as part of his character, that he would come up with such a "diabolical" idea to totally screw around with Five-0's investigation, but it instead seems like an easy way of getting rid of him.

Speaking of diabolical, did anyone notice the closeup of Asner in the blue-lit room just at the end of the scene, they focus on his face, and he really does look like THE DEVIL.

I also have to wonder about people's reaction to some of the stuff on this show in various forums, especially the constant smart-alecky things that people say to each other, like Danno says to McGarrett. In certain forums, people think these comments are really clever or something.

This reminds me of people's reactions in movie theaters (maybe not so much now, but when this first happened) when characters on screen used to say the word "f**k," and people in the audience started giggling. Like they have never heard anyone say this before? Or the reaction of men when some woman or women take off their tops at a public beach or at a protest of some kind. All these guys whip out their video cameras and take pictures of it ... like they have never seen tits before?

Added: Tuesday 02 October 2012 06:34:00 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

IMDB comment from cljohnston108:

So, the team discovers that the getaway driver has a daughter who's living with him, then they find a piece of paper with the words, "WE HAVE HER" in large, unfriendly letters, and finally, a video of his daughter duct-taped to a chair, pleading "Daddy, please do what they say..."

Perfect time to cut away to commercial right there, but NO, they felt it wasn't readily apparent to the audience what these separate things implied!

So, the camera turns to McGarrett, who helpfully explains: "No wonder he drove the getaway car. They have his daughter."

"Yeah, THANKS! Kinda figured that one out on my own!"

Seriously, how stupid do they think we are? Always bugs me.

Added: Tuesday 02 October 2012 06:10:37 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

2nd episode, 3rd season: I could not follow the plot of stealing the art. Did anyone get it? It confused me. Another shotting off machines guns in public--hey, I listen to Honolulu news and this sort of stuff doesn't happen. Getting into the account with guessed passwords--this is ridiculous. NOTHING about this show thrills me. The conversation and the dialog, the plot, and even the human emotions shown -- just does not convince me as believable.

Added: Monday 01 October 2012 23:13:03 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

McGarrett asked his girl friend to help find his mom. So suddenly out of nowhere, she is flirting with Bernard, whose character is "Witsec Agent Chris Channing." How she knew how to find this guy and figured out what his job is, is a big mystery. Witsec means Witness Protection Program, and she throws a bunch of questions at him to figure out what the password to his government account could be. His answers contain a bunch of possible stereotypical passwords like his dog's name, the street where he lived as a kid (this is the one that works) and so forth. Surely an agent like this would NOT use such a password! Then Catherine logs on to Channing's account via the laptop in her car to see if McG's mother is hiding out somewhere under the auspices of the program. And guess what -- she is! DUH!!

Added: Monday 01 October 2012 21:21:53 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Yeah, a lackluster episode. Asner's presence didn't help any. I assume you're talking about what happened to Asner, right Mike? Yeah, that was kind of an out-of-nowhere moment. Didn't see it coming.

As for Carlos Bernard? Yeah, no clue. AOL's girl is flirting with this dude and then she breaks into some type of an account (his military account? since he's in the military?) and she does this by guessing that his password is the street name where he grew up?? PUUHLEEESE!! Anyway, it goes nowhere. Will he return? I assume this is somehow related to AOL's mom.

Added: Monday 01 October 2012 21:06:20 MST


Submitted by: Bill K.
From: Detroit area

Another link to the HMSS Weblog. Recently, we had a six-part series for the 50th anniversary of Dr. No. Part III was devoted to Sean Connery. The main thing of interest here is the photo, where Sean Connery and Jack Lord chat over coffee.

bit.ly/OpxLT8

Added: Monday 01 October 2012 20:44:43 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Joe,

I get you completely. Those women are immature, silly, stupid, and shallow. I've noticed some members left in the last few months. Even the administrator is a phony. She claimed that she saw the original show when a friend got her DVDs of it, and said "It was boring and draggy." When the first Ed Asner episode aired in March, she said all she saw of the original series were some clips, but that judging by the clips of Ed she saw on that episode, it looked interesting.

Only a year and a half earlier, she criticized the original show so much, as if she has seen it. She claimed in that episode, it took Danno half and hour to find out that three women were missing, and he had to use file folders for that. "Today, we have computers for that," she said. For the record, there was no such episode where that happened. Danno wouldn't need file folders to find out that three women were missing. If the files indicated they were missing, then those files came from Missing Persons, and their disappearances wouldn't have to discovered. If Danno didn't uncover such a thing until half an hour into the show, then some other things had to happen before it, but she obviously wasn't paying attention. Remember, though, now she says all she ever saw of the original series was clips, so lied about ever seeing that episode, which didn't exist in the first place.

The moderator was trashing me as well. I nearly filed a complaint with Proboards, but the cowardly woman conveniently took the post down before I could report it. She threatened to file a lawsuit against me because I mentioned her username in a post on the IMDb. I said that hated her board, and she whined that comments like mine would "hurt her business." She claims she does consulting for TV, which I don't believe.

She claims that they are all about intelligent discussion, but I don't see any intelligent discussion going on. When any decent episodes of the new show aired, the discussions were minimal. Otherwise, there would be post after post just about the arguments between Steve and Danno. Lauren German is long gone from the show, but they still talk about her like she's put a curse on them. Those women are laughable, but at the same time, pitiful.

Added: Monday 01 October 2012 20:31:14 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

A friend just tweeted me regarding my comment that something disturbing happens during tonight's show:

Like what ... the ratings drop below a 1 share?

Added: Monday 01 October 2012 19:59:48 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Carlos Bernard's character made no sense at all. Who is this guy? How does he suddenly turn up on the show?

Aside from that, something VERY disturbing happens during this show.

I didn't particularly like this show, there was nothing memorable about it. Oh well...

Added: Monday 01 October 2012 19:41:12 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Carlos Bernard from "24" is on Five-Faux tonight!

Carlos plus Ed Asner? Yep, I'm watching!!

Added: Monday 01 October 2012 19:09:45 MST


Submitted by: Sam Davis
From: Los Angeles

I finally got to view the third season opener and it was just abysmal. The script was inconsistant, full of trite and predictable lines. Basically, the show has degenerated into a third world fictional soap opera.

Just one example. Why did Frank Delano need Wo Fat's help if Delano could steal a moving armoured car? The Computer Graphics of the scene were not up to today's standard.

There's just too much violence and too many personal distraction to make the show worth watching. This show should stick to what made it great, good plots. How many times do we need to hear about Danno's divorce problems?

Play attention to the story and you'll be on TV a long time. That's what made the original H-50 and Law and Order get shows.

As for me, I'm cancelling the season pass on my DVR.

Added: Monday 01 October 2012 19:04:20 MST


Submitted by: Joekido


From: Vrinda

I find most people there weird. They like mindless action but they seems to be aware that there are plotholes an inconsistent in the series but they would just say "turn off your brain and enjoy the ride". I once suggest inserting in classic elements from the original series to save this junk but someone told me that original series is too tame for today's viewers. Why would people enjoy stuff like excessive bullets, explosion, guys in hot bodies running around like action figures? I really don't get it, even the old show is still fun to watch.

But one day they will open their eyes more. The original reason why I watch this show was because of the updated settings but now I'm watching it to recap on it and compare it to the original and voice what the new series is missing and why today's show suckes

Added: Monday 01 October 2012 18:00:20 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Joe,

I know that place. I'm a member there. I joined because the moderator was trashing Jack and the original series. I tried to set her straight, but she was very snobby, arrogant, and nasty. Most of the members there who say they saw the original series criticize it, and they admit they hardly watched it. One woman said she left it on for background noise and that you didn't need to pay attention to it to follow it. I didn't find any of those fans credible. They were all interested in fawning over Alex, blasting Lauren German, and criticizing Peter Lenkov at every turn. There was entire thread going on about how Alex so thin, that his cargo pants weren't fitting as snugly around his rear end as before. This is coming from women as young as their thirties and as old as their fifties.

Added: Monday 01 October 2012 16:42:48 MST


Submitted by: Joekido


From: I have a question, has anyone here visit this site http://hawaii-five-0.proboards.com/ ? I was a member there, most people there watched the original series but I only signed up to point out why I believed that the new series sucked yet I intend to be open-minded with thier opinions and them liking the new show. The only reason why I watched this show so I can recap it and see just how bad or good it can get

Added: Monday 01 October 2012 13:42:04 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Here is an interesting comment from Jack regarding creating storylines, taken from an article in the St. Petersburg Times, dated September 16, 1978:

"A successful series begins and ends with the format. That is an absolute essential. A pilot doesn't make a series; what's important is the creation of 24 outlines of succeeding chapters, even if they are only two or three pages long. That's what important, to know where you're going.

"We do that all the time. We have 12 shows in the can for this season, but we also have 18-20 scripts in preparation. When you're spending $450,000 to $475,000 per show, you must be prepared.

"I get a 'hot sheet' every day, explaining where the expenses are over and where they are under. If we have director who is overshooting, then we have to straighten him out."

This explains why Jack was so strict about people doing their jobs properly and the reasons for some of his discord with certain directors. If money is being needlessly wasted, he should do something to stop it.

Lenkov should pay close attention to the first two paragraphs. CBS went all out with the pilot, promoting it heavily, and then everything went downhill from there, with some high spots in between, but not many.

Added: Monday 01 October 2012 12:26:18 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"Perhaps Hill Street Blues' greatest legacy is that it changed the way cop series storylines were presented rather than being a truly great series itself. The series never finished in the top 20 of the Nielsen ratings for any of its' seven seasons"

I know! "Simple" shows like THE A-TEAM, MAGNUM PI, SIMON & SIMON, DUKES OF HAZZARD wiped the floor with HILL STREET BLUES. So much for critical acclaim and nonstop Emmy awards, eh?

Also, someone below said something about sending AOL to Halawa. I agree. He should be arrested for impersonating a police officer. ;) Reminds me of that great scene between Bobby DeNiro and Yaphet Kotto in MIDNIGHT RUN. Haha!!

As for the Bond 50 celebrations across the pond, yes this Friday is global James Bond Day! October 5, 1962 is when DR. NO premiered in London. Adele has been officially confirmed as the title singer for the upcoming Bond film SKYFALL. The song will officially premiere this Friday. I've just listened to a snippet of the song and it's quite good. It features the lush accompaniment of a 77-piece orchestra. Thomas Newman is the composer of the film's score, replacing series regular David Arnold. Can't wait till November to see the film!!!!!!

Added: Monday 01 October 2012 12:06:47 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Be like me and turn on the closed captioning. It really does help.

Added: Monday 01 October 2012 12:02:19 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Ask-Matt-Glee-1054023.aspx

This person is just noticing this problem NOW?

Question: Maybe it doesn't matter to most people, but I recently discovered when mentioning how annoying the loud background music was on Hawaii Five-0, that others agreed. We were all at a dinner party and I was complaining that CBS shows in particular must have teenaged executives that want to "pump up that music" when previewing their shows. When the dialogue is smothered by the music, I wonder if they feel the dialogue is so bad we don't really need to hear it. I watched Hawaii Five-0 last week and it will be the last time. Is this something that you or anyone else out there has noticed, in particular the shows on CBS? — Dorothy

Matt Roush: Believe me, this matters to a lot of people. I could probably print a complaint a week on this issue. So let me get this particular gripe out of the way while the new season is still young. Because while it may be the case that drowning out dialogue can be a blessing in disguise for some shows, CBS is far from the only offender; in my home, it tends to be ABC which most noticeably overdoes it with the underscoring, especially on shows like Grey's Anatomy, where the jaunty pop score can obliterate whole stretches of dialogue (and when they turn up the volume while the doctors are wearing masks over their mouths, it's especially ludicrous). Again, I'm not sure if this is a loss or a gain depending on who's talking, but there's no question this is one of the most pervasive pet peeves, and has been for some time.

Added: Monday 01 October 2012 11:20:49 MST


Submitted by: Oscar van Hemel
From: Seattle

Lenkov is obviously more interested in sending out teasing information about upcoming episodes and wallowing in the adulation which fans are sending him, both via his Twitter feed (see recent activity -- @plenkov) than taking charge of the show for "all of the below."

Added: Monday 01 October 2012 10:14:56 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Look what Harada writes here:

"Still, a midway checklist might work: Declutter by eliminating or certainly reducing excessive background character details; conceive story lines that grip and attract established and new audiences; downplay or freeze story arcs that impede efficient week-to-week adventures; prioritize character development only to add relevant specifics."

This is what we have been saying all along. I wonder why the writers didn't get it?

Added: Monday 01 October 2012 10:01:56 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Re: Wayne Harada’s statements, "‘Five-0,’…dropped to 8.06 million...,” "ABC’s ‘Castle’ was No. 1 with a solid 10.45 million…,” and "‘Castle’ seems rooted in the traditional procedural (if it’s not broken, don’t fix it)…”

May one then deduce that the traditional procedural is preferred over the non-traditional non-procedural? That is quite possible, since "NCIS” started its 10th year with 17.2 million viewers.

Added: Monday 01 October 2012 02:42:33 MST


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