Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- October 2011

The Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- October 2011



The following are archived comments from October, 2011. After looking around, please add your own comments!

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Submitted by: H50 Brad Lloyd
From: Tulsa, Oklahoma

At least Truck is on the rear !

Added: Monday 31 October 2011 15:47:09 MST


Submitted by: Frank
From: US

You can get all the seasons , HD , through Amazon Instant Video . Season 12 included. You can buy the whole season or individual episodes at $2.99 each. Great quality . I recommend it.

Added: Monday 31 October 2011 15:08:57 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

So, where did you see the "corrected" box art? Could you share the link with us, please?

Added: Monday 31 October 2011 14:56:48 MST


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

I'm VERY happy with the new S12 box art - no Truck, but it is still very fitting for this release.

Thanks, CBS/Par...:)

Added: Monday 31 October 2011 13:40:43 MST


Submitted by: Eric Paddon
From: New Jersey

I would have preferred leaving Denning on simply beacuse he never got his turn. He deserved it more for S11 than Eban did.

Of course I have to plead guilty to being among those who got Al Harrington removed from the S7 box because at the time I thought he didn't appear in that season! (Blame the old Brooks/Marsh Guide to TV Shows for that erroneous impression which lists him as a regular from "1972-74";)

Added: Monday 31 October 2011 13:20:49 MST


Submitted by: Brad Lloyd
From: Tulsa, Oklahoma

Just saw the updated cover art for Season 12 and it is more fitting now, with JL with his look from that year and William Smith and Sharon Farrell along with Duke.

I personally would have liked to see Truck on the cover !

Added: Monday 31 October 2011 13:13:43 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

PERSON OF INTEREST doing well in the top 20....hey! caviezel should have played McG!

Added: Monday 31 October 2011 11:58:43 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

When the new Five-0 becomes the third most watched show in America (like the original was during its 5th season) then please buzz me. Might tune in then. Otherwise ain't too interested.

Added: Monday 31 October 2011 10:06:11 MST


Submitted by: Frank


From: Ratings r boring but important. I check them too.
The remake doesn't make it into the 25 top shows list in network TV in the important demo numbers , 18-49 age.
And it is last one in the list ,numbers 25 , in total viewers. It is the CBS show with less number of viewers from Monday to Thursday .Nothing to brag about after being the most important project for the network in the last decade and because CBS is the most watched network.
I hope this would teach networks to stop with remakes no one asked for. Bionic woman, Charlie's Angel, and now Dallas. :!mad:

ABC premiered last week a fantastic new show "Once Upon a time". The premiere got a better demo than the premiere of Hawaii 1 year ago. I believe people is tired of remakes. And if u guys want to check it out, ABC reairs the pilot today at 7 pm, right before the 2nd episode. :!cry:

Added: Sunday 30 October 2011 13:56:36 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

ratings do matter. look at PAN AM on ABC --started strong but now kinda dwindling. i love to look at the nielsens list and i saw on the new ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY, 5-0 in the top 25. goodie!

Fox cancels AMERICA'S MOST WANTED but is bringing back IN LIVING COLOR :!mad:

Added: Sunday 30 October 2011 13:17:16 MST


Submitted by: Julia
From: LA

A writing challenge sounds great to me!
It will be fun
:)

Added: Sunday 30 October 2011 12:29:09 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Yes, Vrinda. It will be a chain story. This is very good for creating unexpected twists and turns that are far more original than one person, alone, could imagine.

If a log jam happens, I'll untangle it, either in progress or during the editing phase on Monday, as seems to be needed.

Added: Sunday 30 October 2011 05:42:27 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

I'm glad to see the interest in the story writing challenge, but we have a problem. The challenge will take place in the MofH50 guestbook, not this one. So, you won't need to "unmoderate" your guestbook, Mike. Just direct those interested to the MofH50 site, if you would.

P.S. Thank you for posting the announcement here. I hope we will generate lots of different input representing lots of different angles and twists. That's when the stories get good.

Added: Sunday 30 October 2011 02:39:53 MST


Submitted by: Steve's Girl
From: Germany

@ THE GREAT FIVE-0 WEEKEND WRITING CHALLENGE

What a splendid idea, H50!
As to the moderation of your site, Mike, if the additions are posted on the "Memories of Hawaii Five-0" guestbook, it shouldn't be a problem.

Added: Saturday 29 October 2011 22:03:49 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

I'm all for it, H 5.0 1. This is another form of the chain story?

Added: Saturday 29 October 2011 21:37:54 MST


Submitted by: Alleycat
From: Toronto

Not liking the new girl on the show - too stiff, bad acting and very predictable storyline. Cutting air time from others (like Grace) to showcase her. They gotta get rid of her.

Added: Saturday 29 October 2011 21:35:28 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The only problem with this story business is that if the messages are moderated, it's not going to work very well. Therefore, I will have to "unmoderate" the forum for that day...

Added: Saturday 29 October 2011 20:34:22 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Hi, Mike!

I don't know if you will give approval to my posting this announcement, but I'll run it by you, just in case. In short, I'm trying to generate interest in a weekend joint Five-0 short story writing project. Here's the announcement I'm using on MofH50 and RJL. Thank you for your consideration.

THE GREAT FIVE-0 WEEKEND WRITING CHALLENGE

What: We’ll write a joint short story based on the ORIGINAL Five-0.

When: Starts Saturday, November 5, 2011 @ 6:00 am where you are. Ends Sunday, November 6, 2011 @ 6:00 pm where you are. (Don’t worry about time differences. It will all work out in the end. You’ll see.)

How: I’ll post a lead-in in the guestbook. You will write a few sentences, a paragraph, or a page and post it in the guestbook. The next person to come along will add a few sentences, a paragraph, or a page to what you
wrote. When the challenge ends on Sunday night, I’ll pull the material together into a cohesive story and post it for everyone to read.

So, whaddaya say? Are you up for the challenge? Be here next weekend. Aloha!

Added: Saturday 29 October 2011 18:05:51 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Pretty funny -- today I hit this pot lid by mistake, it made a sound that reminded me of Five-O:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/sounds/bong.mp3

:D

Added: Saturday 29 October 2011 16:51:00 MST


Submitted by: Frank
From: Snyder , Oklahoma

I watched an episode of the remake a couple of weeks ago. I had stopped watching it long time ago. My opinion is that the show has not improved at all since last season. . Ridiculous scripts , annoying noises and very bad acting. Terry O'Quinn has added talent to the show. The man sure knows how to say his lines. I am still mad with cbs for not casting someone as Terry O' Q as McGarrett. I have the feeling abs were the only reason for why Alex O' got the part.
CBS is famous for their cop procedurals and they are very good with them, NCSI , Criminal Minds, The Mentalist. I really don't understand how they managed to mess up this remake so much. Maybe because it's a remake or maybe because they tried to hard to make it a megahot Whatever happened, it looks like one of those B-movies with B- actors.
This only makes the Original look better.
Great guest book.

Added: Saturday 29 October 2011 13:45:24 MST


Submitted by: Tom
From: FL

Geez, Rollo. Seems you don't like any of the discussions here. For me the fun of a discussion forum is to be able to discuss about all. If I don't like something I just skipp it.
I am not a fan of the new show, I dumped it last season, all that eye candy and ridiculous plots were too much for me to handle ,so I don't read those posts much , but I don't mind people talking about it.
I love to read about the old show ,specially about Jack Lord, even about the DVD covers. :D
I just returned from France and they had the Original Hawaii 50 DVDs in the airport DVD store. I was kind of surprised but that proved how much popular the show still is.

Added: Friday 28 October 2011 13:54:56 MST


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

I think there should be reviews of the FIVE-0 episodes, BOTH old and new, but lose the * or ****-type star ratings - those ARE NOT really needed.

The reviews of the shows are MUCH more interesting to read - I mean, we all have our own opinions of the episodes...just my 2 cents...:)

Added: Friday 28 October 2011 13:53:04 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Rollo, take your medication and lie down.

Added: Friday 28 October 2011 13:44:25 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Sheesh, Rollo. I don't understand why you are bitchin' about people bitchin'. Isn't this a contradiction in terms? Let's face it, people venting about their Five-O related issues here will probably keep them from becoming serial killers or something, so I figure I am doing a public service by hosting this forum...

Added: Friday 28 October 2011 11:31:51 MST


Submitted by: Rollo Tomasi
From: petaluma

Ratings. Gawd. what the hell is up with this ratings nonsense?! who the hell cares? ratings. and lists. "here's my list! looka my list. here another list!" lord gawd almighty. Enjoy the show! NOT the numbers. or the over analysation of it. Or "I am arguing with a whole mass of people who diss my favorite actors and they are the devil and I am really enjoying getting under their skin and I love arguing against people that I hate who don't see the show like I do.." Or who is on the cover of what DVD. Or who did what music in an ep and how it was changed and "oh my I am out of my head the music changed what am I gonna do!?" jesus. I swear. I just dont get it.

Added: Friday 28 October 2011 11:19:17 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Mr. Mike, apparently certain fans of the new show are not satisfied unless you give each and every episode a 4 star rating.

Added: Friday 28 October 2011 10:12:40 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Robert, what the hell are you talking about? Your statement that I am "biased" against the show is B.S.

Look at the ratings I have given the shows so far this year:

#1 - 3-1/2 stars
#2 - 2-1/2 stars
#3 - 3 stars
#4 - 3 stars
#5 - 3-1/2 stars

Is that "biased"? DUH!!

You also neglected to read what I wrote at the beginning of my comments: "[Preliminary review, to be expanded on later -- maybe]"

DUH! again!

Added: Thursday 27 October 2011 18:13:00 MST


Submitted by: OTTO
From: NYC

It seems that at least 60% of the talk about the new show is not about its content, but rather the behind the scenes bull**** about AOL and the ratings and all that. What do ratings have to do with quality? If that were the measurement, then Lady Googoo is the best singer ever! LOL.

But on a more positive note: Terry O'Quinn seems to be a favorite, so i would recommend the movie THE STEPFATHER, an eighties B-horror movie. His performance is outstanding. Hilarious and terrifying. A must-see for O'Quinn fans!

And thanks Mike and Ringfire for confirming my faltering memories of that 'bumper' shot.

Added: Thursday 27 October 2011 15:10:47 MST


Submitted by: Julia
From: CA

I can say I have never seen a crazier fandom than the one this remake has. They are totally insane . I heard that Alex O. had problems with a group of ladies following him around LA and that later they even went to Hawaii.
Peter L. said weeks ago that CBS had asked them to be active on Tweeter to generate buzz for the show. I can understand CBS asking that because the show sure needs more viewers and more buzz because the show only is mentioned in Hawaiian press. But honestly I think that was a bad idea . Those woman feel they have a special connection with Alex O and the need to protect him . The more play they give them , the more insane they will get.
My kids belong to CW fantoms , but thank god members there are normal.
As I said before , online bullying is a real problem these days.

Added: Thursday 27 October 2011 14:01:02 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

Freddy Krueger monday nite Halloween

i dunno

boy that Kensi cameo sure was a quickie.

Added: Thursday 27 October 2011 13:52:42 MST


Submitted by: Big City Gal
From: NYC

There was no death threat towards Peter Lenkov. It was a badly written blog post that lead to the misunderstanding. The post has since been removed and apologies made.

SpoilerTV even retracted the info from yesterday and made apologies... bit.ly/sBI4Dp

Added: Thursday 27 October 2011 13:29:45 MST


Submitted by: RobertScorpio
From: San Diego

A ** star rating for this past episode? Really? Wow...I can't believe how biased you are against this show. this was a great episode, great action and scenes with Joe vs Wofat. Looking at all the ** stars you threw out at season 12 episodes of the old show, you really think this was as bad as some of those?

Added: Thursday 27 October 2011 13:24:15 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

[GRRR... Vrinda, quit quoting the previous message!]

Sorry, Mike! ;)

Added: Thursday 27 October 2011 13:14:41 MST


Submitted by: Billy
From: Las Vegas

Mr. Mike, all of this has to do with Alex O. Fans. He has a small following of old ladies that are totally obsessed with him., They have created a few sites for him and the show . A very small group but they make a lot of noise everywhere.. They trash anyone that doesn't love Alex. Old fans of his previous show, fans from the Original Hawaii , entert. Sites and members of the cast they consider r not good for Alex's character..Crazy.
Sadly Peter L. Have made the mistake of playing with them on Tweeter answering their non stop tweets They are totally insane and seems Peter L. has started to realize about it. I was surprised it didn't take him longer to realize about this.

Added: Thursday 27 October 2011 12:59:08 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

[GRRR... Vrinda, quit quoting the previous message!]

This is not surprising. Those fans have become very posessive and nasty when it comes to the new show, especially now that the Lori Weston character is on it. I have nothing against her. It's not as though the rest of the cast is that great, but they act as though Lauren German created the role, writes her scripts, and directs herself. She can only follow the scripts and the director's direction, and she doesn't try as hard, but it's not entirely her fault that her character is not fitting in well. For people to demand that her character be killed off, send death threats to Lauren and Peter Lenkov, or threaten to kill themselves if the character remains, is not only extrme, but just pure insanity.

We have our disagreements here, but it doesn't escalate to that level. :D

Added: Thursday 27 October 2011 12:54:49 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"Does anyone remember on the original broadcasts, a graphic title card of the 5-O logo would swoop down toward camera from a distance, with multiple logos trailing behind and finally land in center frame, all set against a beautiful orange and purple ocean sunset?"

Yes I absolutely remember that bumper and absolutely loved it!! In syndication this bumper was only featured against the first season episodes. That's why I remember it so vividly - because each time I saw that bumper I knew that I was about to watch a first season episode which was always a special treat. I knew I was going to get the young clean-cut Jack Lord and the very young boyish-looking Danno with the very short hair!

Added: Thursday 27 October 2011 11:11:46 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

WTF is this about? Someone was posting threats about the Lori character and Peter Lenkov was going to call the cops?

Sounds like extreme fans out of control!

I'm glad we are more "civilized" around here...

http://www.spoilertv.com/2011/10/hawaii-five-0-peter-lenkov-responds-to.html#disqus_thread?m=1

http://www.spoilertv.com/2011/10/hawaii-five-0-peter-lenkov-twitter-post.html

Added: Thursday 27 October 2011 11:10:25 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

No, there will be four episodes on each disc, because the first show, A Lion in the Streets, is a double episode, thus equivalent to two "hours," for a total of 20 altogether.

Added: Wednesday 26 October 2011 21:59:32 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Since there were 19 episodes from the 12th season, and they put 4 episodes to a disk, they'll have four discs with four episodes, and the fifth will have three. Is there a reason why there were only 19 for the last season, when the 11th season had 22 (if you cut "Year of the Horse" into two episodes) and the others had 24 or 25?

Added: Wednesday 26 October 2011 21:39:16 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

There have been some interesting developments as far as the cover art for the 12th season box set is concerned. Unfortunately, my oath of secrecy continues, otherwise I would have to kill all of you. :!giggle:

As far as I can determine, these developments occurred independent of the discussion that was ongoing here.

It also looks like this is going to be a 5-disc set.

Added: Wednesday 26 October 2011 21:29:43 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Those ferris wheel-like things are called bumpers. There was one at the beginning of the show in front of a sunset, and there were also two around the commercials in the middle of the show, where the background was the paddling dudes at the end of the show. You can see them by going to the main page (click on the link above) and searching for the word "bumpers."

Added: Wednesday 26 October 2011 21:18:16 MST


Submitted by: OTTO
From: NYC

With all this talk of cover graphics, let me pose this question? MJQ must certainly have an answer. Does anyone remember on the original broadcasts, a graphic title card of the 5-O logo would swoop down toward camera from a distance, with multiple logos trailing behind and finally land in center frame, all set against a beautiful orange and purple ocean sunset? I don't remember where exactly these were placed in the sequence of things, but i know that some of my season-one VHS tapes feature it. Does it ring a bell with anyone?

Added: Wednesday 26 October 2011 18:41:01 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

so when is the new lori gonna be in the 5-0 credits?

Added: Wednesday 26 October 2011 17:58:39 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

According to a quick glance at IMDb, Danny Kamekona appeared in 33 episodes of Five-0, including three as Che Fong (before Harry Endo took over the role). How 33 episodes stacks up to anyone else, I have no idea.

Added: Wednesday 26 October 2011 15:57:53 MST


Submitted by: Big H
From: Honky-tonk land

Haven't seen Monday's ep yet, but last week's ep ended really strange to me, especially the way they wrapped up the Kono-undercover theme. I mean, she gets shot (grazed) and Sizemore plugs Balwin (and he keeps his left thumb planted firmly against the slide on his semi-auto....geesh!!), and then Kono walks off with the gang as if nothing has happened. WTF?!?!? That only leaves about a million unanswered questions, CBS!! Who writes this stuff?? :!headbang:

Added: Wednesday 26 October 2011 14:14:39 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Hey, Ringfire, I never said that Kamekona was going to be on the front cover. In fact, he is not. But I have been sworn to secrecy over who is. You will find out in due course. Kamekona did play a character on the show more than once, a cop whose name I recall was "Nick" or something like that. He appeared in the opening scene of A Death in the Family, for example.

Added: Wednesday 26 October 2011 14:06:14 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I still don't understand how putting Danny Kamekona on the cover represents the series as a whole. Unless you're a die-hard fan you wouldn't even recognize the dude. He never played one consistent character. Just random guys - good and bad. And if they really wanted to endear themselves to the fans by placing a recognizable stock actor on the cover then a better choice would be someone like Tommy Fujiwara or Kwan Hi Lim or Jimmy Borges. Now *those* faces are not easy to forget! But Danny Kamekona is just very plain looking and not someone who instantly springs to mind. Or how about Che Fong or John Manicote or Jonathan Kaye? Again, these guys have no relevance to the final season but at least they represent the series a bit more than some random stock actor.

But whatever... one thing is certain... I should be the one designing these covers. :!cool:

Added: Wednesday 26 October 2011 13:44:00 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I wouldn't say I'm selling myself short. I think owning 9 seasons is more than I ever planned on owning. Initially I only planned on getting seasons 1 & 5 as I considered those two to be my favorite seasons. But then I couldn't control myself and ended up getting seasons 2, 3, and 4 - I love the whole Kono era! So with 5 seasons in my possession I decided that season 6 would be my final purchase since that was the last truly golden season of the show (in my opinion anyway). I mean how could I deprive myself of gems like Hookman, Draw Me a Killer, One Big Happy Family, Secret Witness, Nightmare in Blue, etc? So I was all set with 6 superb seasons in my possession. But then... you guessed it... I got that urge again - so I got season 7. I mean how could I deprive myself of I'll Kill Em Again and The Young Assassins? And then I figured I might as well get season 8 since I'll probably get season 9 because I actually enjoyed that season more than seasons 7 and 8. But I'm definitely drawing the line here! Up to this point each season offered me its share of classics. Hence why I kept buying them. But in the last 3 seasons only one episode is worthy of classic status and that is The Skyline Killer. Don't get me wrong - the last 3 seasons also offered us a good share of solid episodes but nothing of the classic status of seasons 1-9. Besides, I've seen every one of those latter season episodes so there is nothing new for me there. In fact my introduction to Five-0 was through those last 3 seasons. And if I ever get the urge to revisit them Netflix is just a click away. But for now if I'm ever in a Five-0 mood you can bet that I'll be reaching for one of the earlier seasons.

Added: Wednesday 26 October 2011 12:54:44 MST


Submitted by: Julia
From: San Fernando V. CA

Mr. Mike ,I agree with some things your friend said but my point was that the remake got a 2nd season because of the syndication deal and not because the show is the greatest hit as some say .Without that deal the show would had been canceled because the huge costs don't justifie the ratings it is getting .My friend said CBS was dissapointed because with the big budget they were expecting a show they could air for over 10 years in syndication as CSI or NCSI , but that won't happen with the numbers it is getting . They were bummed too because Hawaii is doing way worse than the show it replaced.
 
Your friend said "Also, Five-0 gets a very healthy demo rating for a CBS show which typically skew ratings for older audiences, meaning it gets better and higher-paying advertising revenue than shows like Blue Bloods, Good Wife, some of the CSI's, etc" ....Well, you can take a look at the advertising revenue for the cbs drama shows this season, 30 seconds ads , as u see Good Wife and CSI are getting more $$ than Hawaii. The 4 last shows in the list are Friday-Sunday shows, those days are called ¨graveyard slots" and revenue is always very low there, never expect a show there to get more revenue than a week show. Hawaii is the show from Monday to Thursday with the lowest advertising revenue, even if it is in the hottest night for cbs,
 
Person of Interest $174,574 The Mentalist $154,781--NCIS $154,646--The Good Wife $137,457--Criminal Minds $137,347--CSI $135,350--NCIS: Los Angeles $133,204--Unforgettable $131,815--Hawaii Five-0 $130,514--CSI Miami $98,027--Blue Bloods $76,133--CSI NY $71,909---A Gifted Man $63,827--
 
Syndication, makes money for a network . True. Some more than others . They can air daily or once a week., so episodes needed can go from 40 to 80..Your friend said " They would be cutting the budget and possibly moving the show to a less high profile night and time if they didn't have confidence in it.".....Valid point. But there is no way to cut the budget for Hawaii 50, although there was some speculation last year about moving it from Hawaii to LA to reduce the budget because ratings were not strong enough for the those expenses .And if they move it to a weaker night , there is no way Hawaii can survive enough seasons to get into syndication .It is already getting modest numbers in the strongest CBS night with the biggest lead in any cbs show has. If the move it, it will die. My guess is that it will be moved when only a last season is needed to get the episodes they need ..As I said ,CBS now is just thinking to get the show into syndication to make money because they are barely making any money now, and for that they need to keep the show on Mondays and to add stronger actors and guest stars , so the show doesn't lose more numbers.

Added: Wednesday 26 October 2011 12:32:14 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Ringfire, you're selling yourself short. Seasons 10-12 are excellent in that they portray different types of mysteries, veteran actors, etc. The remastering leaves the taped-from-the-TV copies in the dust! No kidding. Even Season 10, which has been faulted as a bad remastering job, is leaps and bounds ahead of the TV prints. Best of all, we will have the complete series, and whether that is for our own enjoyment or as a future collectible, that can't be beat.

Mike, thanks for explaining CBS' rationale in selecting the faces to appear in the Season 12 box art. Even though it makes sense, I still wish they had remained true to showing the detectives for each season, in this case, Kimo, Lori, Duke, and Truck (squeezing in all four). But I won't pick or be too choosy, because instead of this, I could have nothing at all, which I had for entirely too many years. Just fond memories and a deeply felt wish that re-runs would be aired where I lived and/or at a time when I could hope to watch them.

So, bring on Season 12! By the way, when is Season 13 coming out? According to your anal-ysis, that's a really GOOD season, not to be missed. LOL

Added: Wednesday 26 October 2011 11:56:15 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Ringfire, if you read the blab at the TVShowsonDVD site as to how CBS is promoting the "FINAL" season, you can figure out what their strategy is.

I know who is on the final cover for this box set, and I can tell you that it features four actors whose career spanned the entire run of the series, so as far as I am concerned, their appearance on this cover is a fitting tribute to their dedication, perseverance, etc.

Despite the fact that Doc Bergman was on the cover of the 11th season box set, the set sold surprisingly well compared to others based on certain statistics which I am privy to, so the marketing strategy (which included a high-pressure ad which appeared on Facebook and elsewhere) for this season worked.

(Too bad that someone didn't make a similar "mistake" for Che Fong in a previous season.)

I think the 12th season will sell surprisingly well because of curiosity value (many people haven't seen it other than the first and last episodes) as well as those who are looking for a sense of completeness or "closure." ;)

Added: Wednesday 26 October 2011 09:35:54 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I personally am not getting the last 3 seasons on DVD. Season 9 will be my final purchase since that was the last great season of the show. But it's still very annoying to witness the lack of quality control with these DVD releases. I mean did the guys who made the cover even check out the opening credits of the episodes? Did they not notice William Smith as Kimo, Sharon Farrell as Lori, Moe Keale as Truck, etc? Hmmm... let's see... probably a good idea to stick these characters on the cover, eh? This isn't rocket science. Who designs these covers? Ten-year-olds? How about using some common sense? Did they just randomly do a Google image search for Five-0 characters and just plop them on the cover? Sheeesh... :!thinking:

Added: Wednesday 26 October 2011 09:23:39 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

I'm glad you're working on the cover, Mike. Not only are Kimo, Lori, and Truck missing, but the picture of McGarrett looks like it came from Season 1.

Let us know if we can help you fight this battle.

Added: Tuesday 25 October 2011 17:34:15 MST


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

Anybody else having trouble accessing this forum using a WEBTV/MSNTV Terminal?

Added: Tuesday 25 October 2011 17:03:57 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

"They probably wish it was getting better ratings of course, but make no mistake--they are making a decent money off this show with the TNT deal and also international syndication deals, Chevy sponsorship, etc."

Is Chevy putting more money into sponsorship of the new show than before? Has their business increased from advertising during the show?

Added: Tuesday 25 October 2011 15:59:15 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

A friend of mine who works for the TV industry in the States passed these comments along in light of recent discussion here:

These people are dead wrong about the new show being a big loss and CBS being disappointed. They probably wish it was getting better ratings of course, but make no mistake--they are making a decent money off this show with the TNT deal and also international syndication deals, Chevy sponsorship, etc. They would be cutting the budget and possibly moving the show to a less high profile night and time if they didn't have confidence in it.

The economics of the syndcation world have changed so much since the time of the original series. You don't need as many episodes to be a syndication hit, since so many shows are stripped 2 to a weekend instead of 5 per week, allowing them to go into syndication in 2 or 3 seasons on cable, which helps give a bump to original episodes still airing on CBS via the extra cable exposure. Lost followed this model about 3 seasons in, and I believe 24 did as well.

Plus there will always be ancillary revenue from DVDs, Blu-rays, eventual streaming revenue of past seasons to Netflix, Amazon, etc. Also, Five-0 gets a very healthy demo rating for a CBS show which typically skew ratings for older audiences, meaning it gets better and higher-paying advertising revenue than shows like Blue Bloods, Good Wife, some of the CSI's, etc.

These people need to research and understand things better before they make snap judgments or accept things on blind faith.

Added: Tuesday 25 October 2011 15:17:48 MST


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

Also, Mike - CBS should add "The 12th & Final Season" to the box cover art - that would make it look better with the other sets - thanks...:)

Added: Tuesday 25 October 2011 14:05:48 MST


Submitted by: Amelie
From: Calabasas

If CBS is reading this please keep Terry O'Quinn in the show. I was about to dump the show but i am watching because of him. He is amazing. Scott too.But if Terry leaves I wont be watching.

Added: Tuesday 25 October 2011 13:23:04 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Ringfire, trust me ... I am working on this issue with the personnel on the 12th season cover. Keep your fingers crossed.

Added: Tuesday 25 October 2011 12:35:04 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

What the heck is Danny Kamekona doing on the S12 cover? This is even more idiotic than Doc Bergman popping up on the S11 cover. Where the heck is Kimo? Truck? Lori? I mean seriously... Danny Kamekona on the cover is so freaking random. They might as well just stick Hoss from BONANZA on the cover.

Added: Tuesday 25 October 2011 11:54:18 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Cover art for the "final season" is now at TVshowsonDVD.com site:

http://tvshowsondvd.com/news/Hawaii-Five-O-Season-12/16130

The accompanying blurb suggests this will be a six DVD set ... which is interesting, because there are 20 hours of material, including the 2-hour season premiere A Lion in the Streets, which would normally only take five DVDs.

Added: Tuesday 25 October 2011 11:39:04 MST


Submitted by: Elaine
From: Watertown, MA

Last night I watched the latest episode of the new Five-Zero. I managed to stay awake (well mostly) for what I had hoped would be an interesting who-dun-it. After catching last week's episode, I had hope that they would continue to improve, but I was pretty disappointed, more of the same-old, same old stuff. Five-O ended up working what normally should have been an HPD crime. Robbery and murder, even in the very affluent Diamond Head (Kahala?) district should not have attracted the attention of the elite 5-0 unit. But alas, I guess they had nothing better to do with their time. The fight between White and Wo Fat was interesting only I would have thought a man who trains SEALS would have done better against Wo FAT, even given their age difference. The expression on Wo Fat's face when White asked him about Shelburn....was the only other interesting moment in the episode. I also noted at the end of the episode that CBS is selling a CD of HFO music. Who in their right mind would want a soundtrack from that? Most of the music is simply awful!

I have started watching Season 11 of the original show. The first episode, SLEEPER, was okay. I didn't care for the Johnny Cash Black leisure suit on McGarrett - he looked too casual for his position as head of Five-O. It would have been okay if he were on his boat...but wearing it in the office, a definite no-no. I like Steve Kanaly....he was very good on Dallas, but I liked him as Captain Jerome in the movie, The Wind and the Lion. Good to see Andrew Duggen still working 11 years after he did the Cocoon pilot. All in all, it was an okay episode...if a bit of a rehash of earlier episodes involving spies and brainwashing through hypnosis and autosuggestion (Murder: Eyes Only; A Bullet for McGarrett), etc.

Added: Tuesday 25 October 2011 10:34:24 MST


Submitted by: Hutch
From: Honolulu

They need to use Kono & Chin Ho more often. We want to see more local/Hawaiian actors.

Added: Tuesday 25 October 2011 10:19:08 MST


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

Yeah, where IS Kimo, Lori & Truck on the new S12 DVD cover?

Anyway, it will be nice to have the music of Morton Stevens and Bruce Broughton return in S12 - the Cacavas scores are not very good at all - way too much of it in S11. I just can't understand why the original scores are taking so long to get on CD.

Anyway, looking forward to getting the final season and having the series complere...:)

Added: Tuesday 25 October 2011 09:52:51 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

season 12 dvd===who is the 1st guy?

um....ok i see duke but i thought Kimo, Lori and Truck would be on the cover.

i.....whew! good McG pic though.

last nite's show, i liked it, a B+!

i thought danny and the son in the beginning was nicely done , wish there was more of the 2 in the episode

i dig the fight with White and Wo Fat. Terry rules!

The Kensi cameo not needed. will McG return the favor and head to LA to meet her? AC/DC'S 'thunderstruck' my all time metal anthem!

Added: Tuesday 25 October 2011 09:24:17 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

I just went back and checked the threads. I know which thread you were referring to now. I got into a lot of these arguments. That guy you're referring to was also an idiot, and I was having fun with him. I knew he would write nonsense. I could have kept going, just to see how many more stupid retorts he would have.

I wasn't looking at this board last year, but I did see the posts in the archive. That woman was promoting Alex and saying how great the new show would be.

Added: Tuesday 25 October 2011 08:29:25 MST


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

I think the new show is MUCH better than last season. I'm even seeing some glimpses of the old Five-0 style from time to time. I was dreading the new blonde, Lori (gee where have I heard that name before??), but I actually like her. They do have to do something about the intrusive and lousy music, though.

Added: Tuesday 25 October 2011 06:52:01 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Mike, that was no guy. That was weak excuse for a 55-year-old woman. She thinks she's the message board monitor there, and I wanted to get her knickers in a knot. That's why I went back and forth with her. She's only watching the new show to ogle Alex, and admits it, and doesn't know the storyline from the background music. She stalks people's profiles and reads their past messages on other boards, and was always bullying fans of the original. She lurks on the original show's IMDb board, though she claims to hate it. She wants to see if we're badmouthing the new show. I see her as more of a joke now, since I know more about her. She can't spell properly, and never has any comment to make on any episode except for how good Alex looked. At first, I thought she was threatening, but I've found she's one of those people whose age has caught up their IQ.

The person that I spoke about earlier was from the CBS board. She's a different person from the woman on the IMDb. That woman really is mentally disturbed. People sent me private messages telling me this, and after looking through her old posts there, they were right. If she were on here, you'd have to close this guestbook down.

I can't stop them from posting their idiotic ramblings, but I can at least put them in their place. :!mad:

Added: Monday 24 October 2011 22:50:20 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Vrinda, I don't know why you got your "knickers in a knot" (like the current Danno) when some guy started crapping on the old show in the IMDB discussion forum. This guy was obviously a total troll, yet you responded to him and the exchange went on for several messages.

If you want to read some "extreme new show fan" comments, check the archives for the Discussion Forum starting around July up until November 2010. Were you around then?

Added: Monday 24 October 2011 22:35:18 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I finished my mini anal-ysis of tonight's show (which I thought very bad) well ahead of the show being broadcast on the west coast, and have posted it to the season two review page. To avoid spoilers here, click on the link at the top of the page for "New Five-0 Season 2" if you want to read it.

Added: Monday 24 October 2011 22:13:05 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Hi Julia,

Thank you for your response and your support. I found out later that that poster had some mental illness. Someone sent me a private message on that site and told me. The woman who made those nasty remarks would always argue with anyone who disagreed with her, claiming that they were, “against her,” and accusing them of calling her names and slandering her. She runs a private message board for fans of the new show, and was even calling me names there.

I know what you’re talking about. I’ve had my share of fights with such women. I’ve come across younger women, teenagers and women in their early twenties who are also vicious and criticize Jack and the original show, but they give up after a while. Many of them never saw it, and are only watching it to see Alex and gawk at him. They don’t care about the storylines. I know of a 58-year-old woman who made comments on two different websites criticizing Jack, calling him wooden, and stating the original show was unrealistic and the new one was. She also added that she lived in Hawaii for 27 years, and that the original was not filmed in Hawaii, but in LA. The woman’s an accountant. If anyone knew who she really was, she’d lose business fast.

Thank you for sharing what your friend told you. I knew the new show could not have had the following people claimed it did. I read that CBS poured 40 million dollars a year into it, and couldn’t cancel it because they would lose money. I wondered about that syndication deal. I thought it was strange that a show could get a syndication deal when it was only in its first season. I remember Jack and James saying that they would be lucky if the show made it the fifth season, and there were no syndication deals made during the first season. I wondered why they hired Alex, and there was no mention made of other actors auditioning for the part. They just gave it to him because he had a contract with them. Now, CBS is regretting their decision. They were partially in charge of the production and could have controlled the casting.

Added: Monday 24 October 2011 21:08:13 MST


Submitted by: Julia
From: Los Angeles , CA

Hi,
Vrinda, usually I don't post here, I just enjoy reading about the Original show, but I wanted to answer your post. I am really sorry for that rude response you got in the cbs board.Those things should not happen, but they do. In case you don't know Cyber-bullying has become more common these days and it is not limited to children.
Sadly and after lurking for months in Hawaii 50 sites and in so called fan-sites, seems Mr. O.Loughlin has a small group of older woman that send threatening and harassing emails/messages and posts hostile stuff to hurt or embarrass others in the sites, and since the show has turned to be not what they were expecting for the actor , their behavior has turned vicious.They attack anyone posting any negativity towards the show and Alex.O in particular. That includes fans from the old show, and even worse , actors from the Original show, Jack Lord in particular because of the role Alex plays.
My advice to you is to avoid the site/chat room in question, most forums often lack supervision, so these behaviors go unpunished.
 
About the remake, I have a good friend here in LA in the business, he told me the show is still in the air for 2 reasons, syndication and the huge expense of the pilot/first season, the biggest in 15 years for a TV show.The show never delivered the numbers it needed to deliver for that cost and International markets won't be paying as much as CBS was expecting because the show is just getting mediocre numbers there .You mentioned Australia, Criminal Minds Suspect Behavior, a canceled US show, and Prime Suspect, a weak NBC rated show soon to be canceled, are both winning the remake in the Australian time slot.That gives you an idea about how the show is working overseas.
CBS now is just trying to do the most profitable thing for them, try to get enough episodes in the air to be able to run it on syndication and get some of those expenses back. That is the reason they added Terry O'Quinn for 9 episodes, Sizemore, Patty Duke and others. They know Alex O. was a mistake as McGarrett . The show is very expensive, but if they are able to get the episodes to air into syndication, they will get at least the expenses back, which at this point is the best scenario for them. They have the problem that the guest stars are an extra bigger expense, but nothing they can do now, CBS is just thinking "syndication=money back".
 

Added: Monday 24 October 2011 12:29:04 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Did you guys know that Kelly Preston (Mrs. John Travolta) guest-starred as one of the young girls (she was 18 at the time) in the show's 12th season eppie "For Old Times Sake"? Preston was actually born in Honolulu but went by the name of Kelly Palzis at the time. That appearance was her first acting gig.

Added: Monday 24 October 2011 11:24:20 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Well, since someone spilled the beans about the final season being released on DVD, I'm sure no one will get too excited about this "sneak preview" of the cover art:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/images/box.jpg

This is "tabloid style" photography, the source of this may become apparent later. :!thinking:

Here is the link to the TVShowsonDVD.com site: http://tvshowsondvd.com/news/Hawaii-Five-O-Season-12/16130

Added: Monday 24 October 2011 09:42:30 MST


Submitted by: stephen R. Dunn
From: Burt Ny

i just received an email from tvshowsondvd the final season coming january 10th

Added: Monday 24 October 2011 09:04:43 MST


Submitted by: kim russell
From: NC

love the show! actors, story lines...everything, BUT>>>>>THE MUSIC!! ENOUGH ALREADY!!! I love the music but through the entire show??? play before, after and during pivotal moments. starting to get on my nerves!

Added: Sunday 23 October 2011 21:47:40 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

What I read was that they are pouring $3 million dollars into each episode, and they don't want to be quick to cancel it, because of the huge bugdet, and that locals will lose their jobs.

I also have friends in England and Australia who tell me they don't like the new show, and the ratings are dwindling. Yet, if you read comments from fans, they say it's doing well in ratings.

I have nothing personal against the cast or crewmembers of the new show, but many of the fans are less then nice. One woman even threatened me on CBs's message board for new show. She said, "But that is simply my opinion, but if you insist upon coming upon here and calling me names, including the ignorant part, then honestly, I can happily change my opinion to reflect an even worse view on your hero and your show in public. I was all into an original marathon, now, honestly, I'd rather wax with Gorilla Tape."

She admits to her intent of slandering Jack and the original in a public forum, and she accuses me of slander. The bitch.

Added: Sunday 23 October 2011 12:46:13 MST


Submitted by: Brian Laurie
From: London

Hello, I am a fan of the Original and I have just finished watching the 1st season of the remake. Well, I won't be watching the 2nd season. What was cbs thinking?Just using the name of a great show would be enough?

I was quite excited about the remake but Alex O@loughlin killed it with his expressionless features that make Scott Cann look like an acting genious.Scripts may no be great, but that is no reason for an actor to give substandard performances.

I think the fans of Mr. Jack Lord don't need to worry, he was and always will be Steve McGarrett.

I was talking about it with a friend from Sydney and he told me they had to move the show overthere to another night because it was underperforming, and that the second season it is doind even worse. Here in UK, other shows as Terra Nova or Game of Thrones are doing much better too. So this remake is not even working outside the US.

This proves again remakes are a bad idea, especially a remake that was no needed. The Original still has a lot of fans everywhere. Guess CBS was trying to make some easy money but they should had at least tried to get someone with talent to play the lead instead of this shirtless guy. Big mistake CBS. A flop.

Added: Sunday 23 October 2011 01:37:33 MST


Submitted by: alpha128
From: the IMDb

something like: "all you mexicans and negroes and orientals look the same to us." - Rollo Tomasi

Sorry if I offended you, but your comment is not fair.

Wo Fat had a distinctive look - bald, mustache, and somewhat overweight. IMHO, the actor in the PSA had the essential Wo Fat look.

Added: Saturday 22 October 2011 21:33:07 MST


Submitted by: Rollo Tomasi
From: Petaluma

"In this actual public service announcement it looks like Wo Fat is busted by HPD" "Looks like Wo has lost a bit of weight since the old days." something like: "all you mexicans and negroes and orientals look the same to us."

Added: Saturday 22 October 2011 11:22:45 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there - - -

Good video, Alpha! Looks like Wo has lost a bit of weight since the old days. LOL

Re: "Invitation to Murder," it definitely is done in the style of the 1930s English murder mysteries. As was said, think Margery Allingham's "Police at the Funeral". Also think Agatha Christie's "Ten Little Indians" a/k/a "And Then There Were None." It is a genre all its own, and I think it has a quality that should not be forgotten or lost.

Similarly, Mildred Natwick and Helen Hayes reprised style / characters they notably portrayed earlier. Mildred Natwick was her "The Snoop Sisters" character (with a little Beatrice McMillan thrown in for good measure) all over again in both "Frozen Assets" and "The Spirit is Willie." Mildred Natwick portrayed a similar character in an episode of "Magnum, PI." Helen Hayes was her "Airport" character, Ada Quonsett, all over again in "Retire to Sunny Hawaii...Forever."

In the same vein, "Magnum, PI" presented the detective style of the 1930s in at least two episodes, using black-and-white, the style of suit / hat, and even cars. It added a bit of fun / interest to the episodes, I think, that they might not have had if done in a present-day format.

Well, I'm rambling. Sorry.

Added: Friday 21 October 2011 14:15:35 MST


Submitted by: Johnny Oporta
From: Massachusetts

Check me on this:

I was watching "Right Grave-Wrong Body" from the seventh season a few days ago and noticed something I hadn't seen before. At the beginning of the episode when the skeleton is uncovered, the camera zooms in on the skull and the number "17" is clearly visible, stamped below the left eye socket, suggesting that the skull may have been borrowed from some inventoried laboratory collection. That, together with the perfectly milled center shot bullet hole in the forehead look as hokey as they are out-of-context (i.e. the guy was supposed to have been gunned down in an impromptu shoot-out with a cop and not killed execution-style).

Flagrant errors like this and in continuity really make you wonder how they can slip by the pros that put this stuff together. Is it that they were so rushed to meet deadlines?

Added: Friday 21 October 2011 13:59:38 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

if there were a future 5-0 movie, Shannon be the man! or maybe ryan gosling...he was sooooooooooooo good in DRIVE. TAKE SHELTER is a very good movie. Shannon is the bad guy General Zod in the new Superman film MAN OF STEEL. Henry Cavill is Superman

Added: Friday 21 October 2011 13:34:15 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Hi RW,

Thank you! It wasn't my intent to compare Jack and Alex. I know fully well why the comparisions began: Alex was playing the same character as Jack, so people were bound to compare the two. I found that quote from him, and thought it would be interesting to share it here. It wasn't about comparing what Jack said and what Alex said. (Not to say that you implied that I was comparing the two).

Comparing and contrasting are fine when done constructively. Simply saying, "___________ sucks as an actor," or "I hated ________________," doesn't tell us a thing, other than that you can't explain your thoughts properly and and overacting. These fans of the new show whine that us fans of the original started it by criticizing the new show first, but I saw people praising the new show and bashing the old one before the new one event went on the air, and after only the pilot aired.

Added: Friday 21 October 2011 12:55:42 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"Most respectfully, Mr. Mike, where can we submit a formal online petition to up this baby to 3 stars?"

Right ooooon, Chick!! But even more importantly where is the formal petition to raise "Here Today... Gone Tonight" to 3 stars? 1 star is shocking... positively shocking! :!surprised:

No deals as far as changing the rating for "Here Today... Gone Tonight." This show is illogical and stupid. Leopard on the Rock's rating will probably change. I have watched this show again since my original rating, I dunno why it stayed at only 2 stars. I must have been in a bad mood or something. And what's with this "petition" nonsense? You guys think this is a democracy or something? LOL! -- MQ

Added: Friday 21 October 2011 10:53:15 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow warrior
From: New York, NY

Daniel,

I agree that the new show has helped the old show in many ways especially in showing how good the old show was. The new show is a work in progress IMHO, but it has some good shows like last week, but it needs to develop consistency on a week in week out basis, and be solid for all forty or whatver minutes that it is on each week, and it really hasn't done that yet. I keep watching it each week hoping that the light bulb will finally start to go on fully. It may. We'll see.

Right on Big Chicken! Love your posts my friend. Right on Vrinda!....Ringfire has a point about "Leopard on the Rock" in a way. There was so much going on in that episode that it really was too much for an hour. They might have been better served by making it a two part episode, and in that way they could have fleshed it out more, and delivered a longer ending and continued the story which may have satisfied Ringfire much better. Thanks for the great posts guys on "Leopard on the Rock."

As for AOL's "Lack of Intelligence." I don't care about comparing him to Jack Lord. This isn't a presidential debate. From what it sounds like Jack had his share of faults, so that is not my point. AOL did sound like an idiot in that comment, sorry he doesn't sound bright, now he may be a heck of a guy in person, I don't know, but based on that comment he didn't sound good. I'm not in the business of being Jack Lord's press agent or promoting the new show, so I don't really care about a comparison. I can go by the Facts. Fact: Jack Lord was a better actor than AOL. Fact: In that interview AOL doesn't sound too swift based on that one interview, now maybe he's an incredible guy, but in today's world you're judged by what people see you say, when you say it. That's reality. As for my own intelligence, I could have been accepted into Harvard after my junior year of high school, but instead chose to go into a "better" school, so I think I have a solid handle on when someone says something really dumb.

Now Jaclyn Smith in my book can do no wrong!

:o

Added: Friday 21 October 2011 07:41:18 MST


Submitted by: Daniel Rabe
From: Crofton, Maryland

I am amazed by the number of postings on the CBS Page for Hawaii Five-O. We have a strong fan base.

I feel like the new series startign in 2010 has taken us to new heights, while we still recall fondly the original with Jack Lord and the rest.

Added: Thursday 20 October 2011 23:58:47 MST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Book Em’ Baby!

You right on, Rainbow Warrior, Chicken do love that “Leopard on the Rocks” endin - with Steve sprintin up the escalator - bustin in to collar HoodClovis & Walters. But yeah, the koo de grahs be Steve-O tellin Savang and the counsel theyse busted too. Great description a that in your post, man.

C’mon RingFire, witout Steve-O breakin the case HoodClovis & Walters make off wit that doe and Jackal just a broke Dictator. Like you say, some laws were broken, and it be Steve’s job to enforce them laws. That be the McGarrett edict. No Deals & No breaks fo' No Law Breakers.

Chicken concur, though, that Leopard a most enjoyable ep on so many levels. Most respectfully, Mr. Mike, where can we submit a formal online petition to up this baby to 3 stars?

Added: Thursday 20 October 2011 20:59:03 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

"I think if you asked Jack Lord questions before and during the first season of the original show, he would be hard-pressed to come up with snappy responses which satisfied everyone."

Alex doesn't need to come up with snappy remarks, nor would Jack. Alex being asked a sarcastic or rude question. I couldn't post the whole interview on here because it was too long, but the question he was asked was how his Steve McGarrett differed from Jack Lord's. His response, even if he was trying to be funny, was not and didn't answer the question.

This was at a press conference in which he took part with Peter Lenkov.

Jack did give interviews during the time of the first season, and there was no need to be giving snappy, witty remarks. He spoke very directly, sincerely, and in a down-to-earth manner. He spoek of how he would only play a character if he believed in it. He wasn't playing a character in a remake of a show, and the world of three channels with original programming was all he knew. There was nothing to which he could compare it.

There are a number of ways Alex could have answered this question. The answer he gave was not the only one he could have given.

Added: Thursday 20 October 2011 20:20:30 MST


Submitted by: Anthony Durrant
From: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

After watching the episode "Invitation to murder" on the HAWAII 5-0 Season Ten DVD set, I was easily able to guess the killer's identity because the story is a rip-off of the Margery Allingham novel "Police at the Funeral." In this story, a man booby-traps his family home and then commits suicide to divert suspicion from himself. The detective Albert Campion solves the case and has the family leave the house so the booby-traps can be disabled and removed. :!devil:

Added: Thursday 20 October 2011 20:20:19 MST


Submitted by: alpha128
From: the IMDb

In this actual public service announcement it looks like Wo Fat is busted by HPD... for speeding!

http://bit.ly/mUr2n3

Added: Thursday 20 October 2011 19:48:51 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Michael Shannon actually has a Hawaiian connection. He was in Michael Bay's PEARL HARBOR! He was also nominated for an Oscar a few years back in REVOLUTIONARY ROAD (with Leo DiCaprio and Kate Winslet). And yes he does look like Lord in that scene. Like a 1968 clean-cut Lord.

Added: Thursday 20 October 2011 18:42:59 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Anyone know anything about this actor Michael Shannon? He is starring in a current film called Take Shelter. The guy has a certain resemblance to Jack Lord, at least from this angle.

Added: Thursday 20 October 2011 18:02:20 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I think when AOL said "There were about 50 million people living on earth," he was being sarcastic, just like if someone said now, "There are about 50 bazillion people on earth."

It is really a long stretch from what AOL reportedly said in this interview to drawing conclusions that his "lack of intelligence" is the result of some genetic issue.

I think if you asked Jack Lord questions before and during the first season of the original show, he would be hard-pressed to come up with snappy responses which satisfied everyone.

Good thing the Internet wasn't around 40 years ago, someone would probably have made an issue out of the fact that Jack Lord occasionally mispronounced words, perhaps the sign of a speech disorder.

Added: Thursday 20 October 2011 17:56:46 MST


Submitted by: Ed
From: Honolulu

Mike,
The girls in the last episode were playing in the Stan Sheriff Center which is on The University of Hawaii campus. I'm not sure if the girls were high school or college age but many high school games are played at the Stan Sheriff Center. I have never looked for them but I'm sure that there would be security cameras in the arena.

Added: Thursday 20 October 2011 16:13:26 MST


Submitted by: Eric Paddon
From: New Jersey

I've enjoyed going through a lot of episodes at random from different seasons of late. To me this is what makes Five-O so fun, the broad spectrum that you don't have to see in any particular sequence except for the Wo Fat episodes.

Some random thoughts on a few I've seen over the last few days. "The One With The Gun" I think is an episode where McGarrett needs to be faulted a bit especially given his angry speech at Lorenzo Corman (an excellent performance by John Colicos, a favorite of mine from "Battlestar Galactica";) at the end. In fact, when you analyze the episode it can be said that if McGarrett had simply stuck up for Peter Corman's reputation better and told Lorenzo that he didn't believe the story that Peter was behind the crooked poker game, then he might have prevented Lorenzo from going off on his own because *that* was what set Lorenzo off, the feeling that his brother's reputation was going to be trashed by a Five-O investigation.

I also revisited my boot of "Bored, She Hung Herself" for the second time and my impression hasn't changed. This is without question the worst episode of Five-O's earliest seasons because it's overly talky with no sense of real good investigative work taking place. The manner in which the real killer is broken down is straight out of Perry Mason style theatrics of getting a killer to confess, and the ending is so ridiculous it's cringe-inducing.

I also have to disagree with Mike's diss at the music for "Savage Sunday". I find that so-called "peppy" music Don Ray did for the episode to work fine for the scenes it accompanied though I hated hearing it for that bad ending in "Bored".

Speaking of "Savage Sunday" and "One With The Gun" I should also take a moment to praise the acting ability of Julie Gregg. She was a much underrated performer who a few years earlier was doing guest shots in sitcoms like "Bewitched" and "I Dream Of Jeannie" as well as a "Batman" episode as the Penguin's moll with a short blonde wig and a squeaky Marilyn Monroe voice. Then, she got a Tony nomination in a Broadway musical in 1968 and after that got entry into dramatic guest shots like "Five-O" and showed a range you never would have expected from her earlier sitcom guest shots.

Finally, I'd like to say a word of defense of another episode Mike gives only one star, "Here Today, Gone Tonight". I think this episode needs to be seen in the context of Five-O coming up with its own version of an episode of "Banacek" which had debuted that same year (1972-73) and was gaining attention for its intricate game of switcheroo locked room mystery hijinx, and the fact that the episode even gives us an insurance investigator (just like Thomas Banacek was) only further underscores the obvious parallel. The episode resolves itself too quickly and was the kind of story that might have benefited from being a 90 minute episode like all episodes of "Banacek" were.

Added: Thursday 20 October 2011 13:49:05 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"Leopard on the Rock" is one of my favorites from the second season as well. I love how McG won't take any lip from Jakhal and holds his own against the dictator! But I was always a bit disappointed with the ending. McG seems to be royally pissed at everyone even though Consul Koryo and Akhbar Savang finally did the one thing no one was able to up to that point - expose Jakhal for the criminal that he was. Sure they went about it behind McG's back and possibly some laws were broken in the process but considering that this guy is described as the "Hitler of Asia" I'd think McG could have cut these guys some slack.

Added: Thursday 20 October 2011 11:27:52 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Mike, I thought it was a college. If I knew it was a high school, I wouldn't have mentioned the security guards or cameras, but even then, and a person can't walk into an elementary, middle, or high school in the U.S. and go unnoticed. They close the doors after the students come in in the morning, and only one front door is left open. In order for visitors to get in, they need to press an intercom, the door is opened by pushbutton by someone in the office, and you go in and report to them. Public schools in the U.S. do have plainclothes security guards patrolling the outside. My high school did.

Added: Thursday 20 October 2011 08:47:28 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

The AOL interview is proof that in Hollywood you don't have to have intelligence to be successful and get ahead in the industry. Really sad. Yes, AOL, the technology has improved where you can make tv look more like the movies, but good writing was and is still good writing and what made the old show great was tightly written densly packed plots that were smart for the most part ( yeah, yeah, I know about the last couple of years being not that hot)and intelligently written. Case in point:

I just watched "Leopard on the Rock" with a few people and we all loved this show. It was tremendous. They had about four or five different plot strands all going at the same time and they all converged together and were settled by the end of the show. Extremely well done ( yeah, I know Mike you only gave it two stars, that's your right, but I I think it was a three to three and a half star episode, but I'll settle for three) and great acting by JL especially when he says to the dictator with that world weary expression "It's alot of work!" and Big Chicken you must have loved the ending when Lord is listening to the professor and the counsel thanking him for helping them expose the dictator, and he looks at them and away from them with a mixture of rage, amusement, disgust, and is perplexed before he says to them "Don't thank me, your under arrest. Book em." That last scene was great acting.

You see AOL, you can have all the technology you want but great acting and great writing will always be the most important thing. Those things don't change and here ends the lesson. Your producers know that to be true, that's why they are bringing in all these different veteran actors.

Added: Thursday 20 October 2011 07:58:00 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Correct me if I am wrong, Vrinda, but this coach and volleyball team were not at a college but a >high school<. Now, do high schools have cameras and security guards? I think not.

The whole business of the coach living in that fancy house is very fishy. As far as Mrs. Joyner having an affair with the guy, let's face it, the coach was kind of beefy (at least what we can determine while the guy is taking a shower) compared to her dumpy looking husband, so I can hardly blame her for being attracted to him.

By the way, I was watching one of the last few episodes and there was actually 14 SECONDS of the show where there was NO MUSIC!! Amazing!

Also watching some of the outtakes on the DVDs and they don't have music either. What a relief.

Added: Thursday 20 October 2011 07:08:46 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

@ Rainbow: yes there's the season 2 dvd cover right there :!cool:

Added: Wednesday 19 October 2011 12:52:09 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

What I read was that AOL quit school at 14 because he had a learning disability, ADHD. I read this on his board at the IMDb, and the person who posted that information wasn't sure if it's true, either.

Added: Wednesday 19 October 2011 12:05:42 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

50 million people on earth? :D Where did AOL get his education? And THE COBSY SHOW competing with Five-0? Sheeesh! Even for an Aussie that's pretty bad.

Added: Wednesday 19 October 2011 11:18:51 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

U.S. colleges have security cameras. They're usually outside. The coach was alone in the lockeroom, but I doubt he was alone in the building. The killer had to have snuck in and out, and how could he have done so without anyone seeing him? There are security guards that patrol the grounds, and given that the killer was disguised - gloves, black clothes, etc. - he would have stood out. That he could get in and out that easily is too unrealistic.

As for the teacher living in the guest house, I don't know if he started the affair with Mrs. Joyner after he started living there, or before. Does anyone know if that was even mentioned? If he was having the affair before he went to live there, that explains how he got the house. As a teacher, he would't be able to make enough money to buy that house. He had to be renter. It also conveniently put him too close to the criminal activities of the Joyners, by living near them and having the affair with Mrs. Joyner.

I thought Malia was phony and wished Kono would have told her off or punched her out. It was clear that Kono didn't care for her because of dumping Chin. As for Chin and Malia getting back together, I felt that was a distraction from the crime-fighting storyline and too soap-operaish. I don't care if the actresses are hot or not. That loses meaning when then the storyline suspends disbelief too much.

Added: Wednesday 19 October 2011 10:43:57 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

I noticed that icy stare as well. It reminded me of Jack instantly!

I just came across this quote from an interview Alex and Peter Lenkov did when the new show began:

"My Steve McGarrett is a lot different from Jack Lord’s, and the show is very different from the old show. I get this question a lot. “Five-0″ was a really important show for television at the time. It was a huge cop show, around for 12 years, and back then, there were only two and a half channels or something. It was that or “The Cosby Show.” There were about 50 million people living on earth. A lot has changed since then. The nature of television has changed, and the nature of the business has changed. Technology had changed so much that we have to keep up, but the great thing for us is that technology has taken us to a point where we can do things that really rival what they do in movies."

I'll cut Alex some slack because he probably was speaking just for the sake of saying something, but a lot of what he said was way off. There were more than 200 million people in the U.S. alone at the time, the Cosby show didn't come on the air until the '80s, and Jack Lord's Steve McGarrett had a past. We were told more about his proessional background in the pilot than his personal one, but more personal information was given in bits and pieces later on.

Added: Wednesday 19 October 2011 10:15:18 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

No, the last episode was really worthy of 3-1/2 stars, because:

Kono looked sad with big teary eyes several times
Kono looked hot when meeting with the bad guys (did she go home after being interrogated by Five-O and put on mascara)?
Kono kicked ass in the bank
Kono got shot, but it wasn't serous
Chin and Malia were back together
Malia is hot
Kamekona had some funny lines
Chin totally blew off Lori when she started asking obnoxious questions
Fryer freaked out; McGarrett responded in kind (has McG reacted this vehemently in any other past show?)
Photography was very good
Music was almost good in a couple of spots (one highly reminiscent of "Lost")

As far as the teacher getting knocked off at the school, I think the girls had all gone home and the teacher was alone ... like he was taking a shower. Do all schools in the US have cameras?

But I don't understand ... why was this teacher living in a guest house on the rich guy's property? Did the rich guy do this as a charitable gesture or something?

Added: Wednesday 19 October 2011 09:56:01 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Re: Mr. Hiram's remarks: "last nite was the AOL performance i have waited for! AOL giving the Jack Lord look to Chin at the office there and nice camera shot too as McG enters his office to grill him. the scenes between Chin and Kono were perfect! AOL needed to be stronger and he got stronger at that last half." - - -

I agree completely. At the end, when AOL told the IA guy not to mess with his team, I could really see JL. Now, they're finding their stride. Keep going like this, and this remake just might set a track record, too.

Added: Tuesday 18 October 2011 16:16:41 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

last nite was the AOL performance i have waited for! AOL giving the Jack Lord look to Chin at the office there and nice camera shot too as McG enters his office to grill him. the scenes between Chin and Kono were perfect! AOL needed to be stronger and he got stronger at that last half. he did slam the chair, i was waiting for him to kick the door a la NIGHTMARE IN BLUE or slam the hands on desk a la SAMURAI & SKINHEAD.

ray mapes looks like mark ruffalo. at least i understood sizemore better , less mumbling. grade A-

i wonder if there will be a subplot on tonite's NCIS LA where kensi heads to Hawaii for next Monday's crossover. an idea for the Spring season? 5-0 team with NCIS and LA, heckuva crossover + abby and max would do fine 2gether.

Added: Tuesday 18 October 2011 13:31:44 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

I thought there were too many plot holes in yesterday night's episode. How did the killer sneak into that lockeroom, kill the coach, and leave without anyone seeing him? This is a school, and there were no security guards or cameras around? They also don't show the detectives questioning anyone at the school, except that volleyball player, and only after they found her photos in the coach's house.

And how where those corrupt cops able to shoot Joyner and get away so fast? Steve, Danno, and their car were in the way. Where was the shooter hiding?

I agree with RW, that Steve punching out Fryer at the end was weak. Fryer should have hit back. The ending shot of them walking off into the sunset looked cliched to me. I wouldn't be generous enough to give it a three-and-a-half-star rating. It would get two, at best.

Added: Tuesday 18 October 2011 12:46:27 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

For "Braddah from Honoruru" - -

Mainlanders DO care. We're just ill-informed. After all, these are details that don't appear in any textbook or travel guide. One learns them by spending time with the Hawaiian people, and that is not a feature of the Circle Island Tour. Sad, but true. I'd love to spend time with the Hawaiian people, but to them, I'm just an old haole wahini; the sooner I return to the mainland, the better. Also sad, but true.

Added: Tuesday 18 October 2011 07:45:21 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Yeah, Mike I was thinking the same thing about "Heat" at the end as you. I concur, "Heat" is one of my favorite films which I own. I liked the show, but didn't like the full shot of the team walking in slow motion at the end, as it was too pretentious and tried too hard to be arty and important. When AOL slugged Sizemore at the end, I find it hard to believe that Sizemore didn't slug him back, especially after Sizemore brushed AOL aside when they were holding Kono. It was a real good episode though. Just lose the ending where they were like posing for the promo poster or the DVD cover shot of season two.

Added: Tuesday 18 October 2011 07:42:04 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Taylor Wily as Kamekona: a Five-O success story

http://bit.ly/otpxf2

Added: Tuesday 18 October 2011 07:02:05 MST


Submitted by: Braddah
From: Honoruru

New H50 is for some locals is addicting and fun to watch, we see friends on the eps and of course, our back yard. Some bones of contention, but:
Chin sez to Kono "we're family right?". No, not right. he would say "we're 'ohana". not family..
Steve and that new blond girl are typical mainland haole. Aggro. angry. loud. pushy. Hyper. Asking nosey inappropriate questions to Chin. To paraphrase a bumper sticker: "Slow down, gurl; this ain't the mainland" No local style. More unrealism.

Those dudes Sizemore is chasing are ex HPD?! I don't think so! Baldwin addresses Kono as Kaaaah luh kaaah whuh. Wrong! Chin's girlfriends walks into Kono's house without taking off her shoes. Bzzzzt! wronnnggg again. She call her Kaou Naow. Malihini pronunciation. instead of koh noh. Local style. there is mainland style. there is Local style. They get too much mainland style here. Mainland viewers don't care. But we can tell the difference and it's a big chasm.
I like Sizemore but wish he were more uh... enlightened. He tells a local Japanese comic here: "Ya know, alotta americans still will never buy Japanese cars cuz a what you people did to Pearl Harbor..." (raised eyebrows) "uh, No offense!" (but offense taken. sheesh.)
Yep, props to Don Stroud hittin his stride again; He tells me he is slated to appear in a forthcoming Tarantino flick.

Added: Tuesday 18 October 2011 01:27:58 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Another kick ass episode. I especially liked the business with Sizemore shooting Baldwin. In the movie Heat (one of my all-time favorite films), Sizemore is the bad guy who gets it! Kono looked very hot when she met with the bad guys at the end. But wouldn't the bad guys have checked out what she was doing? She was gone quite a while, after all. I hope this isn't the end of the Sizemore arc, especially since he makes a great bad good guy. O'Loughlin and Sizemore had a dramatic screaming match near the end when it was revealed -- DUH!! -- that Kono was working undercover for Fryer. Chin Ho really outdid himself being geeky in this show, and he was in a "cleaning" truck, though it wasn't a dry cleaner truck like in the old show, but one of those trucks used by restoration companies. I also loved the way Chin Ho totally ignored Lori when she was trying to chat him up in the motel while they were waiting for the woman, asking him about McGarrett!

Added: Monday 17 October 2011 22:30:13 MST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Seattle

Hey Rainbow Warrior, thanks for the shout out. That scene in "All the King's Horses" with McGarrett hustlin Fletcher out the office is indeed one a Chicken’s fave scenes.

Hey, enjoyed your insights on “Singapore File” and the endurin quality of the Five-O you shared in yo earlier post. You was spot on that watchin the Five-O be a visceral experience. The tight structured plots, high tension scenarios and buildin suspense give the faithful viewer that Five-O rush. And scenes with livid, live-wire Steve-O stickin it to low lives like Fletcha always fire me up. You was right on in your take on the show, my friend.

and Big H, CBS should give props to Don Stroud. Dam straight, man. I haven’t seen much of the Alex O'Loughlin show version but I woulda tuned into to see Don, a legit legend.

Added: Monday 17 October 2011 21:58:36 MST


Submitted by: Otto
From: NYC

I am honored to accept the Poncie Ponce Prize! Thank you.

I would imagine that John Beck was considered a 'hunk' in his day, but that role is so disturbing he makes Milton Selzer look sexy!!!

Added: Monday 17 October 2011 20:14:08 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

Jeez, this is easy... Dub Taylor... Paul Williams... Victor Buono... C'mon ladies!

Added: Monday 17 October 2011 19:56:33 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Otto, for your comment about John Beck, you win the special Poncie Ponce Prize. In case no one knows what I am talking about, Poncie Ponce was the comic relief on Hawaiian Eye, sort of a predecessor to Five-O by about 10 years. While filming a celebrity edition of Family Feud around 1980 with other stars of the show, one of the categories was "An evil you've never tried, but have considered." Ponce's reply was "Raping women." I actually have a tape of this show.

Added: Monday 17 October 2011 19:13:58 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

There's Don Stroud, Michael Anderson, Jr., and Richard Hatch (from "Study in Rage.";)

Added: Monday 17 October 2011 15:32:58 MST


Submitted by: otto
From: new york

It would be funny if one of the ladies picked JOHN BECK from Nightmare in Blue!!!

Added: Monday 17 October 2011 14:58:29 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

fave 5-0 hunk?
pernell roberts GRANDSTAND PLAY ----just kiddin :D

Added: Monday 17 October 2011 13:54:54 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"Yasmine Bleeth" -- YOWZA!!! :!inlove:

Admittedly the popularity of BAYWATCH (or rather BABEWATCH) did tend to get on my nerves - I mean how many times can you watch lifeguards saving someone who is drowning - and I rarely watched it but when I did it was for the babely Miss Bleeth! And I was quite the fan of The Hoff due to my KNIGHT RIDER obsession.

As for Jaclyn Smith indeed she was the ultimate Angel. Her beauty was simply mesmerizing. No wonder she was dubbed the "pretty angel".

Added: Monday 17 October 2011 10:44:35 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Agree with you Big H on Barb Luna, she was something! ;)

Added: Monday 17 October 2011 10:24:21 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: Come on, CBS!?!?!

I wasn't particularly happy (ok, I'm totally pissed) at the way the CBS brass treated Mr. Stroud in the credits in last week's ep. (or maybe it was week before, I get behind sometimes) They gave Ms. Duke and Mr. Fonda nice hugh credits at the beginning of the ep, but Mr. Stroud's credit was at the end and was so small I had to get my jeweler's loupe to find it. How disrespectful to a man who had such great guest appearances on the original series! As they say on ESPN just before the Monday night game...COME ON, MAN!!! Mr. Stroud, we love you, bro!!!

And my vote for the most comely babe of all time on the original.....Barb Luna in S2's "Thousand Pardons"...holy moly!!! :p

Added: Monday 17 October 2011 09:46:17 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Okay first off "Charlie's Angels", Cheryl Ladd was a wonderful replacement for Farrah Fawcett, but to this day my favorite actress, and still I think the most beautiful woman I have ever seen is Jaclyn Smith. She is also one of the most down to earth and humble people that I have ever met. You cannot believe how nice Jaclyn is. The sun rises and sets on that woman for me.

Now, as far as memorable old Five-O actresses, I just watched season 2's "All the King's Horses" and I found Karen Huston stunning. I thought she was great as Finney's daughter and I liked the spark of romance between her and Danno. "All the King's Horses", I thought was a terrific episode because of the intricate plot and great acting performances. Big Chicken, if you are out there, I thought of you when McGarrett hustles Fletcher out of his office, rips his shirt off, and pulls the tape recorder out of Fletcher's shirt pocket. As Fletcher runs out of the office in fear, Danno says to Steve "he will not be back." and McGarrett answers "Open the windows Danno, its rank in here," I said to myself, that's a Big Chicken scene favorite for sure. "All the King's Horses" was classic old Five-O at it's best.

Danno: "He never got a second chance."
Steve: "Not in this world."

Added: Monday 17 October 2011 08:21:42 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Barring Jack and Jimmy, I'll vote for Zulu's "Kono Kalakaua." That teddy bear could be one sharp cookie when the script came his way. I'd give anything to be able to sit down with him for even fifteen minutes.

Added: Monday 17 October 2011 05:15:28 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Tina, that is true, but there are those who just never liked Jack Lord, and use their praising of the new show as an excuse to bash him. When people start criticizing Alex's acting, someone has to respond with, "well, you say Alex was wooden, but look at Jack Lord ..." as if that changes anything about Alex's acting.

Many of these people criticize Jack without being provoked. Some people posted reviews of the new show on the IMDb and go right into tearing into Jack, and passing judgement on not only his acting, but his personality, character, work ethic, relationships, etc., as if they all knew him.

I've even come across people who make no mention of the original show, or Jack, and simply state that they don't like the new show or Alex, and some idiot has to chime in with, "I never liked the original series," or ,"I didn't like Jack Lord." Again, no one made any mention of him or the original show, and these people who didn't like Alex or the new show were not comparing anything, but simply stating what they thought about them without making a comparison.

I've come across very vitriolic comments from these people, and they are all ranging in age from 40s-60s. It's silly, but at the same time, scary that people that age can be so angry towards an actor they never met.

About the Five-O hunks: Barring the regulars Jack and Jimmy, I'd say Eric Braeden, Tom Skerrit, and Stewart Moss (Hogan's Heroes), who was in "Not That Much Different."

Added: Sunday 16 October 2011 19:48:49 MST


Submitted by: AJ
From: NY

Waiting to see who the women are going to pick as their favorite male guest star...

I'll throw out one suggestion just for the hell of it...

Monty Landis as Tony Madrid in F.O.B. Honolulu from Season 3.

:!rofl:

Added: Sunday 16 October 2011 16:50:41 MST


Submitted by: Tina
From: Jack Lord was a good actor,

"If they were to comment on that in itself, I wouldn't have been bothered and would have laughed it off but, like I said earlier, these women were bashing Jack's acting, calling him wooden and stiff, that they couldn't stand him..."

The only reason they bash Jack Lord is because all the media and reviews have been very negative to Alex O's acting while Scott and the guest stars get the positive reviews. No other reason. They think that bashing Jack lord would make Alex O. look better.They cannot talk about Alex's acting because there is no acting, he is just the shirtless hot guy in the show.

And on Monday nights Castle with Nathan Fillion beats the remake across all key Women demographics: W18-34/W18-49/W25-54. So the woman that watch Hawaii because of shirtless Alex need to be at least over 55 years old.

Added: Sunday 16 October 2011 15:46:52 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Okay, guys. You've had your fun, naming the most babely babe in the series.

Now, gals, it's our turn: Who's the biggest hunk in the series?

Added: Sunday 16 October 2011 15:01:48 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

new CHARLIE'S ANGELS on ABC cancelled---good!

of course the beautiful gal in the old 5-0 credits!

Sharon Farrell also a cutie. curious to check her Lori Wilson on season 12.

Added: Sunday 16 October 2011 14:26:32 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: New Jersey

Otto, if those are their own reasons, that in itself is not a problem, but what I was pointing out is how they criticize the acting and writing on the original show, then only praise the new show because there's an actor or actress that they're eyeing, as if the acting and writing on one show and the eye candy on the other can make a legitimate comparision. A TV show isn't all about watching for one actor or actress just because you think they're hot. There's a storyline, acting, and production values as well, though, on the new show, they are not as evident, explaining the need for the eye candy to take center stage.

It reminds me of when people went on and on about Baywatch, and it was only because of the women in bathing suits. Others pointed out how no one made any mention, all the years it was on the air, of storylines or conflicts between the characters. All you ever heard about it was how hot Pamela Anderson and Yasmine Bleeth were.

I watch the original because of the cast, the storylines, the suspense, action, and creativity used in filming, and the Hawaiian scenery. I'll admit to gazing at Jack Lord frequently, but that is not my sole reason for watching. If I was only watching to ogle Jack and not pay attention to anything else, I'd be wasting my time. He was a gorgeous and sexy man, but he could also act, and that is what I appreciate and look for. If these women want to swoon over Alex, and only value that in him, let them but, to me it's shallow.

If they were to comment on that in itself, I wouldn't have been bothered and would have laughed it off but, like I said earlier, these women were bashing Jack's acting, calling him wooden and stiff, that they couldn't stand him, he was boring, and he was not good-looking (or a combination of some of these comments) and, in the next sentence, say that Alex was "tall, handsome, sexy," and they wished he would "do more shirtless scenes." No word was mentioned about his acting or credibility as a police detective/Navy Seal/head of a task force/whatever he is supposed to be.

Some of the men raved about Grace Park were also making those comments about Jack, then swooned over Grace in the next sentence. Criticize an actor because of the way he plays a part, then lust over an actress in the next breath - making it clear that is why they are watching - as if that makes a valid argument and gives them any credibility. That shows what they pay attention to in a TV series, sand what they are not paying attention to, so it's no wonder they blast Jack and the original series so much. If they want to go on about how sexy they think Grace is, that's fine, but there's no need for them stoke their jealous, ignorant egos by bashing Jack at the same time. To me, it spelled, what the hell do know, when all you're interested in is staring at Grace Park and waiting for her to wear a bikini? :p

Added: Sunday 16 October 2011 10:01:49 MST


Submitted by: OTTO
From: New York

I think it's OK to watch a show because you have the hots for a particular player. It's entertainment. Maybe AOL sucks, i don't know, but a lot of women seem to like him and why shouldn't they?

As a kid, i hated Charlie's Angels, that is, until Cheryl Ladd joined the team, and boy was i HOOKED, ha ha!

We all like Five-O for our own reasons. I go with the original Five-O and i have my reasons. PEACE.

Added: Saturday 15 October 2011 23:04:52 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

@Bill , yes that gal-- :D this i posted in the past

"Mike you are soooooooo right about WHY WON'T LINDA DIE? that was one awful score by Cacavas! it's like the soundtrack to 3 movies! the morricone-like spaghetti western , the tearjerker movie and the saxophone parts? suitable for the 80s classic BODY HEAT! in same episode, check out the 16:09 mark---WOWZER! " it's the same gal seen in that promo.

and saw the whole #1 WITH A BULLET , a top 10 A+ show! and besides the lovely Melveen Leed as Sally, how about Yvonne Elliman? WOW! she is great! and a lovely lovely voice! i wish her tune at the end stretched out more. mike, do u know where was that shot? stadium? concert hall? i though everyone here was terrific! ah there's DJ Joey who nearly blows it with the excited smile for McG at the disco. i liked it when McG nods no, as in don't blow it you need to help me with info. as he leaves , a quick glance at Joey.

couple of years later James Darren was in TJ Hooker and i believe the Hooker episode BLOOD SPORT was shot in hawaii

Added: Saturday 15 October 2011 15:21:37 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: New Jersey

You're welcome, Mike! I wanted to get that out in the open for a while. ;)

Added: Saturday 15 October 2011 13:52:15 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Vrinda, I'm glad you are pointing out the "equal opportunity sexism" which abounds over the show. ;)

Added: Saturday 15 October 2011 13:48:10 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: New Jersey

Namaste, KD!

I was never in favor of the new Five-O, and they've dug themselves into a deeper hole than before. Lauren German just plays her character the way it's written. It's a cliched tough chick role, and there's nothing much to it.

People are criticizing her on the IMDb as though she started World War III. It's actually laughable.

As for AOL, I don't care for him, but I'm not going to badmouth him because he is a nice guy and likes the original series, but he's not making full use of Jack's influence. He has no control over the scripts, and has to do what the writers write and what the directors tell him to do.

What makes me laugh even more is that a lot of the women who watch the new show are only doing it to see him and it's not for his acting. They're watching just to ogle him, and these women are not all teenagers, either. They're all in their forties and fifties. They badmouth Jack, but when they talk about Alex, all they can go on about are his looks and how they want to sleep with him.

I also know men who only watched the show to see Grace Park, and they're also not interested in her acting. There were teenage boys complaining that she doesn't wear a bikini often enough. :p :D

Added: Saturday 15 October 2011 13:32:24 MST


Submitted by: Bill
From: Palm Beach County Florida

“who is the most beautiful gal in FIVE O's series?”

My vote goes to the woman at the 6:55 point of this video

http://bit.ly/9uxZry

Leading up to it the announcer says Five O holds the winning figure. She certainly does in my book.

BTW that's a scene from the season 5 episode, "You Don't Have to Kill to Get Rich, but It Helps"

Added: Saturday 15 October 2011 10:51:03 MST


Submitted by: OTTO
From: NYC

HOTTEST girl on Five-O? DANNO!!!

No seriously, ELITHE AGUIAR. Check her out in "You Don't Have to Kill to Get Rich, But It Helps". Stunning. Bewitching. There have been a lot of beautiful women on the show, but Elithe is the one for Otto.

Added: Saturday 15 October 2011 10:37:08 MST


Submitted by: KD MCGarrett
From: namaste Vrinda...

I have the last few weeks of the new show on DVR-I don't feel any compulsion to watch it. @Rick-spot on! AOL is not the draw people think he was. O' Quinn and many others help to add some pizazz to the show.

As I said, I don't feel any compulsion to watch the show;everybody is conflicted and the writers feel that we need to know much. The new lady is useless in my opinion-doesn't fit in-MCG doesn't need a love interest. The producers have even dropped the book 'em Danno-probably because they don't feel that they have earned it. :D

Added: Saturday 15 October 2011 08:39:56 MST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Seattle

“who is the most beautiful gal in FIVE O's series?”

Given this alotta thought, Mr. Hiram. Chicken gotta go with Elithe Aguiar. She always caught the Chicken’s eye – and she ain’t even in none of the eps. Early seasons you can catch glimpses o’ her in the outer office, part a the Five-O steno pool. Then she show up at Steve-Os party in ‘Blind Tiger’ and then she be the PO-leece woman/dial-a-girl who help set up Heyward, Vashon’s hired gun.

Yeah, she the one.

Added: Friday 14 October 2011 22:53:57 MST


Submitted by: Eric Paddon
From: New Jersey

Those who want to debate the issue of the most beautiful women of classic Five-O should check out a thread I started at Film Score Monthly over three years ago and which is still going strong!

http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=49344&forumID=7&archive=0

Added: Friday 14 October 2011 20:44:18 MST


Submitted by: Katiedid
From: Here & There & Everywhere!

* At first I wasn't allowed (you see, I am a 12 year old whose father introduced me to Hawaii Five-O about a year or two ago.) because my dad said it was to 'adult themed'. Though my ban has been lifted, it is on pretty late at night, and I have to go to school blah blah blah.
Sorry if my post is jumbled and seems poorly put together!

Go original! :!party:

Added: Friday 14 October 2011 20:30:11 MST


Submitted by: alpha128
From: the IMDb

"so who is the most beautiful gal in FIVE O's series?...feel free to say your fave gal." - Mr Hiram from NYC

My favorite gal is preeminent Five-O babe Elissa Dulce (pronounced "Dool-say") - immortalized by Mr. Mike with The Elissa Pages (http://bit.ly/ok3ymE).

P.S. I'm still hoping that one day Mr. Mike will give prolific guest star Linda Ryan the same treatment.

Added: Friday 14 October 2011 18:49:17 MST


Submitted by: Mahaloed
From: Plymouth, Ma

Just saw Monday's episode and caught Don Stroud right away. I got a tremendous kick out of his cameo after having read so much hype from his few original Five-0 appearances. Really cool!

Added: Friday 14 October 2011 15:38:34 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

so who is the most beautiful gal in FIVE O's series?...new one does not count

watching #1 WITH A BULLET i love the gal playing Sally who owns the bar. feel free to say your fave gal

Added: Friday 14 October 2011 12:27:49 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I managed to take the current DVD version of The Execution File and replace all of the crappy disco music which they used to replace the Rod Stewart song, using the much improved DVD video along with the old music tracks (the dialog and music other than the Stewart song remains the same). This was a very hairy procedure, sort of equivalent to screwing a fly. BUT ... when I had finished and started watching the thing, I realized to my horror that it still contained the wrong main titles, which feature Kam Fong as Chin Ho! Anyway, I tried to replace this, and every time I did this, the audio got seriously out of synch by the end of the show. Does anyone have software and/or the ability to replace video on a DVD? What I need is someone to take the correct main titles (which I think are the same length) and somehow drop them over the wrong ones without having to mess around with the audio and various other things. The software I have doesn't allow this, and I don't know if typically DVD-making software has this capability. Anyway, if you know anything, please contact me through the e-mail link at the bottom of the page...

Added: Friday 14 October 2011 11:31:25 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

If anyone gets ME-TV, Five-0 1.0 comes on weekdays at noon, 11:00 central time. No closed captioning, but the audio/visual appears to be remastered, and the episodes don't appear to be badly cut, as they are in too many syndicated airings.

Added: Thursday 13 October 2011 15:20:56 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

One of my "spies" reports on the last episode as follows:

It was kind of hokey how the Department of Defense (DOD) was working on that voice analysis. Maybe the producers did not want to piss off any particular intel agencies so they just called it the "Department of Defense". This is kind of like asking someone who owns a Chevy where they go for service and they say "General Motors". The Department of Defense is kind of like the umbrella that all the intelligence agencies fall under.

Also, when Steve met his girlfriend in the park, she was NOT wearing her hat which is a BIG NO-NO when outdoors, especially for a commissioned officer (Lieutenant) in the Navy. Sometimes, there will be no hat-no salute areas where military headgear is not required (This means enlisted personnel don't have to salute commissioned officers) but these areas are on military installations, not in public parks.

Added: Thursday 13 October 2011 07:17:39 MST


Submitted by: Peter Onksen
From: New Hampshire

Last show had a no-no. Naval officers do not salute unless they have a hat on (covered). Only wear hats when outdoors, unless armed and then always wear hats.

Added: Wednesday 12 October 2011 13:18:41 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

i see daniel dae kim has a new straight to dvd actioner ARENA with---samuel l. jackson? i believe sam has made 3-4 dvd movies. i'll skip ARENA

Added: Wednesday 12 October 2011 13:05:21 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Everyone visiting MofH50 today is interested in the music and the composers. I came over here to see if Mike had started something.

Added: Wednesday 12 October 2011 08:38:06 MST


Submitted by: Jayne
From: California

Lose the blonde girl and put Kono back in the lineup

Added: Tuesday 11 October 2011 21:52:53 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

"I'd tune in to watch AOL read the phone book." ...good point, it can't be any worse than watching him act.

Added: Tuesday 11 October 2011 21:19:55 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: New Jersey

June Cleaver: "Ah Rick, don't be so jealous. I'd tune in to watch AOL read the phone book. Especially if he took his shirt off first."

There's more to an actor than taking off his shirt. He has to be able to act, and commments like these don't give Alex credibility.

I'll see women criticize Jack's acting on message boards, then only talk about how sexy Alex is, or how they want to get into bed with him. They never talk about his acting.

Added: Tuesday 11 October 2011 20:55:06 MST


Submitted by: June Cleaver
From: New England

Ah Rick, don't be so jealous. I'd tune in to watch AOL read the phone book. Especially if he took his shirt off first.

Added: Tuesday 11 October 2011 16:13:10 MST


Submitted by: Tina
From: CA

Rick, you are right. I will not be surprised if CBS tries to make Terry O'Q a regular.But I read somewhere he has a new pilot, so I am not sure he can stay in Hawaii.He is a great actor and I loved him in Lost.
Looks to me CBS is trying to expand the cast a lot from the main four.And I can understand them doing that. Alex O. acting is not strong enough to play STM. But it is too late now. I wonder how many new people cbs is planning for the show.

Added: Tuesday 11 October 2011 15:45:57 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

me a sufferer of nausea, got more queasy last nite when Max put on the "gloved human hand" . whoa! shoulda been a TV MA for that moment

Added: Tuesday 11 October 2011 13:02:48 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Although this was an interesting show with above average guest stars (Patty Duke, Peter Fonda, Don Stroud), a relatively logical plot and, as we have seen more recently, highly improved photography, the resolution of the crime of the week turned out to be kind of boring. Then I realized that this show was about "RELATIONSHIPS." For a start, McGarrett's relationship with his GF Catherine seems to be on the skids, like they don't want to get too close to each other. Then Kono seemingly has a "relationship" with the William Baldwin character. Is she "doing it" with this creep as part of her undercover work? UGH! McGarrett's relationship with Joe White was also strained, when he found out that White didn't send the video of his father to the Department of Defense for anal-ysis. The line that White gives him, like "you don't want to know what this is about" is highly reminiscent of what Wo Fat told McGarrett during their meeting in the Chinese restaurant. Then there is Chin Ho's relationship with Kono, and the skindiver's relationship to his mom. I had a good laugh at the music accompanying the scene at the beginning where the kid was pretending to be a shark. It had echoes of John Williams' score to "Jaws" ... in other words REAL MUSIC!

Added: Tuesday 11 October 2011 09:23:46 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

The stare of his vacant dead eyes make the ladies hearts go pitter-patter, but for only so long. They finally figured out AOL doesn't have the chops to carry this show. So, damage control... they bring in someone who does. Terry O'Quinn's getting a lot of face time. Good. Nice to see a guy who can act. When they share a scene O'Quinn owns it... AOL has the screen presence of an extra.

Added: Tuesday 11 October 2011 08:47:17 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: New Jersey

Barbara: "It was really nice to see Don Stroud in tonight's episode."

I knew he looked familiar, but couldn't place him. That's why my mom smiled when she saw him.

About McGarrett being wrong: In "Loose Ends Get Hit," the detective from San Francisco told Steve he assumed that Sandy Welles put that bomb in Billy Madrid's car, and when Steve told her off, without even asking if she did it, Sandy showed him ther file where another gangster admitted to planting the bomb, and the other detective apologizes and leaves. Steve tells Sandy that he should have "started with a question instead of an accusation." If that other detective never made such an assumption, though, Steve would never have yelled at Sandy like that.

Added: Monday 10 October 2011 21:39:26 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

It was really nice to see Don Stroud in tonight's episode.

Added: Monday 10 October 2011 21:12:20 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: NC

Mr Mike said earlier>>"At the end, where did McGarrett come from?? They never explained how McGarrett happened to be up in the sky at the same time the killer was pushing the body out of the plane."

Sorry to break the continuity of this thread, but something else didn't make sense in that sequence. Up until the skydiving scene, the killer had at least made an attempt to cover up the killings of the two SEALS, but before he shoved the 3rd SEAL out of the plane's hatch, he cut the safety cable and rip cord, leaving NO DOUBT that his death would have been a murder, and not an accident. And yeah, that Camaro engine noise is distracting....we get it, it's a muscle car... :!headbang:

Added: Monday 10 October 2011 10:12:38 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

In The Sunday Torch, wasn't that the show where McGarrett hassled the psychiatrist because he wanted her to reveal information which was confidential? Didn't he throw the usual BS line at her about "obstructing justice" or whatever?

In A Very Personal Matter, what was disturbing was the fact that Five-O (who were working in an "unofficial capacity," since this was McG's little pet project for his pal) proved that the doctor was a normal guy, i.e., his boat and house were heavily mortgaged (he wasn't making tons of money from pushing pills) and Danno at one point actually says something like "he has a clean slate" or "everything about him comes up positive," yet McGarrett just can't get off the Doctor's case.

By the way, I have finished my boring "re-anal-ysis" of season 11 shows based on the new DVDs. I actually knocked A Very Personal Matter down a star. I can't stand this aerobics instructor who McGarrett gets to do "undercover work." I think she reminds me of Lori Weston in the new show!

Added: Sunday 09 October 2011 20:32:48 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: New Jersey

In "Pray Love, Remember, Pray Love, Remember," McGarrett arrested that big blonde boy for the murder of his girlfriend, because he had large-sized feet similar to the footprints at the scene of the crime, and he was left-handed. The girlfriend had bruises on the right side of her head, indicating that someone who was left-handed struck her. It turned out that the boyfriend didn't kill her, but that other tall man who was stealing the goldfish from the pond did.

Added: Sunday 09 October 2011 19:14:03 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Pittsburgh

McGarrett suspected Michael Anderson, Jr.'s character in "The Sunday Torch." Steve really belittled the psychiatrist, who defended her patient against the arson charge. Turned out she was right and Steve was wrong!

Added: Sunday 09 October 2011 17:07:05 MST


Submitted by: Bill
From: Palm Beach County Florida

A little bit of Season 11 trivia. The liquor store owner who was gunned down by the vicious Roy Crawford in 'A Long Time Ago' was played by Actress Marika Yamato. A witness witnessed the shooting In season 7's, 'Right Grave Wrong Body', she played the spouse of a store owner gunned down by the vicious Hobart. The spouse saw her husband shot. Similar sceness, with an actor or actress playing a reversed roles

[She also played the old lady who fingered Kono for her part in breaking into the HPD money stash in the current Five-O (when Kono was masquerading outside the building as a construction worker). -- MQ]

Added: Sunday 09 October 2011 16:56:50 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

hello,typing this from a friend's house:EAST WIND ILL WIND an A! the manicure scene was tense and terrific! i dunno which hands are hairier-Jack Lord's or Robin Williams? my goodness! more later on...

Added: Sunday 09 October 2011 16:04:50 MST


Submitted by: Steven
From: Soggy Miami

Just saw the following on Amazon's Five-O S11 product page:

ITEM UNDER REVIEW

While this item is available from other marketplace sellers on this page, it is not currently offered by Amazon.com because customers have told us there may be something wrong with our inventory of the item, the way we are shipping it, or the way it's described here. (Thanks for the tip!)

We're working to fix the problem as quickly as possible.
------------------

Anyon know why this is?

Added: Sunday 09 October 2011 09:34:27 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Off hand, I cannot bring up specific episodes where McGarrett wrongly judged a suspect, although they are there. It is good to see McGarrett brought down a notch on occasion.

He had to back down in Season 1's "Samurai," when he lashed out at Danno for Mary Travers' death. Then, he apologized after Danno explained that he and his colleagues had done everything down to and including taking the first bite of anything Mary Travers ate.

In a different take on the question, in "Once Upon a Time," when the baby has died and McGarrett is closed up in his office, Danno asks him whether, for once, he can back down (to keep peace in the family, ostensibly). McGarrett does not back down. Perhaps, this is the only way he can assert control in the death of his nephew, just as his sister asserted control in the only way she could, by taking Tommy to the quack.

Added: Sunday 09 October 2011 05:11:08 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

One thing I like about the show "A Very Personal Matter" is that McGarrett, who some say has become "Zeus-like" in the final seasons, gets his comeuppance as he blindly goes after Doctor Danworth, acting mainly out of friendship to his old navy pal Tom Riordan.

Can you think of any other show where McGarrett is totally wrong about his suspicions over some character? This particular show is wince-producing in that the audience can see all along that McGarrett is full of it! Where is the presupposition of innocence?

Added: Saturday 08 October 2011 19:22:07 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The fellow who e-mailed me a couple of messages back has some more interesting things to say about the last episode:

At the end when they were showing the 5-0 team the SEAL takedown live as it was happening, that was TOTALLY unbelievable for me. I have had a Top Secret clearance for over 22 yrs now and you NEVER NEVER invite people WITHOUT a security clearance into a TOP SECRET environment, much less show them a live video feed. I am pretty sure none of the 5-0 people have a TOP SECRET clearance in the show (maybe Steve does??) as there would be no need for it in the storyline. There is a special kind of law enforcement classification called "law enforcement sensitive" which is a MUCH lower level of classification than TOP SECRET. However, with all the blatant security present at the location where they watched the takedown, it was pretty obvious that it was a TOP SECRET environment.

I also thought some of the dialogue about the Mexican cartels was a little inaccurate. They seemed to portray that the Los Zetas and Sinaloa cartels were working together. That could not be further from the truth. The Zetas and Sinaloa cartels are the two BIGGEST and most powerful cartels in MX and the last they would do is work together.

Added: Saturday 08 October 2011 16:55:25 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Re: Moki's statement, "If this is one of those things people are going to say; that is unbelieveable, we go back to square one and point out the most obvious salient error: all these haoles and mainlanders populating the our local political offices and elite police squads is totally unrealistic." - - -

You're right. It is unrealistic. So, I wonder why the 2.0 governors have been (1) Caucasian and (2) African-American. Where is the Hawaiian governor??? In real life, Hawai`i has had Hawaiian governors and should!

Now, before you light into me, If, in 1.0, Richard Denning had said he was tired of playing the governor - let's say, in Season 7, for the sake of discussion - almost certainly, he would have been replaced by a Hawaiian governor. How do I know? Watch "Is This Any Way to Run a Paradise," when the legislators and businessmen are lined up in McGarrett's office. They are a pretty good cross-section of the Hawaiian population, with Caucasian comprising a minority.

When I see an HPD officer on Five-0, I want him to be Hawaiian. Watch the end of "The Skyline Killer." The HPD officers are gathered below the crane, waiting to arrest the killer. At least half are haoles! Get off that screen, haole! This is Honolulu, not Cleveland! Of course, in real life, no location boasts all indigenous people. The whole world is a melting pot. But on the screen, when the goal is to promote Hawai`i, the Hawaiian HPD officers go far to establish the setting - and so should the governor! IMHO

Added: Saturday 08 October 2011 14:49:11 MST


Submitted by: Moki
From: Lanikai

I don't believe viewers expect engine sounds to exactly replicate real life physics or to come close to being realistic. Foley work is done to among many other things, add excitement to scenes and add emotion, drama, etc... which is done partially through sound effects. Foley. If this is one of those things people are going to say; that is unbelieveable, we go back to square one and point out the most obvious salient error: all these haoles and mainlanders populating the our local political offices and elite police squads is totally unrealistic.

Added: Saturday 08 October 2011 10:41:51 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Someone sends me some interesting trivia by e-mail:

Near the end [of the last episode] when the 5-0 team was at the killer's house and they pointed at a picture on the wall of the next SEAL victim, they called him lieutenant. However, the picture was of an ENLISTED navy person.

At the end, where did McGarrett come from?? They never explained how McGarrett happened to be up in the sky at the same time the killer was pushing the body out of the plane. [When they are at the nasty Mexican hitman's house, they see a bunch of pictures on the wall with a schedule for the particular guy who gets thrown out of the plane. Suddenly they say "OHMYGAWSH, he's gonna go skydiving," and rush to the airport. How McGarrett manages to get a plane and get in the air where he jumps out of the plane at exactly the same moment as the other guy gets tossed is a mystery...]

Lastly, what's with the LOUD OVERBEARING engine sound everytime Danno goes anywhere in his Camaro. The engine soundtrack is so loud that it makes it difficult to hear the actors' dialogue. The vehicle is a Camaro RS which only comes with a V6 and DOES not make that loud of a grumble. Even the Camaro SS with the V-8 is not that loud. Maybe since GM is providing the vehicles, the producers wanted a loud engine noise to impress the honchos at GM.

Added: Saturday 08 October 2011 07:03:30 MST


Submitted by: OTTO
From: NYC

I read the review, and i cannot agree or disagree with his assessment of the new show because i have not watched a single episode. But i know that the original Hawaii Five-O captured some really nice scenery. It was a beautiful show.

Added: Friday 07 October 2011 20:08:59 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

I think the old boy was watching the wrong channel. ROFL :D

Added: Friday 07 October 2011 18:12:33 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: New Jersey

L.B.,

There is a picture of the writer, Jim Curtis, to the side of the webpage. He's bald, with white hair and glasses. If he wrote that critique, I wonder how a man his age could come up with that nonsense and expect it to pass as a critique.

Added: Friday 07 October 2011 16:32:25 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

Regarding the article that Mr. Mike posted, I wonder what age the author is. It would probably take someone younger than 30 that never saw the original series to make those claims. It didn't appear that he went into much detail as to why the new series was better. Anyone that says AOL is a better McGarrett than Jack Lord could not be thinking too logically.

Sure, the new series may be more hip in certain ways and definitely has better action scenes. However, the original Five-O was one of the most violent and daring series of its' time. The level of action and violence on the current series would not have acceptable back in the days of the original program, so that is not a logical comparison.

The main reason that I am happy that the new series is doing reasonably well is that it keeps interest in the original high. I don't see any way this series is going to last anywhere near twelve years, though. It says a lot about the successful concept that the original series was based upon that the remake can be as successful as it has been thus far. There have been many remakes like this that have failed miserably (Dragnet, Kojak, etc.). There is a reason for this; it is often hard if not impossible to top the original act.

Added: Friday 07 October 2011 14:43:29 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Peter Lenkov interview:

http://hawaiifive0online.net/exclusives/interview-with-peter-lenkov/

Added: Friday 07 October 2011 14:00:14 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: New Jersey

That guy is smoking something stronger than crack. Maybe someone at CBS paid him to write that. Reagardless, it's not a well-written critique. Either he never saw an episode of the new show and is praising it to curry favor with someone, or he's off his rocker. My vote is for the latter. :p

Added: Friday 07 October 2011 13:16:37 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

"Maybe the folks from here can spare a few seconds of spewing enmity at each other and respond to this one?" Done. Although as comments are moderated there, my enmity towards that appalling review may not pass.

Added: Friday 07 October 2011 12:10:19 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Is the author of this piece smoking crack or something?

http://www.themortonreport.com/entertainment/television/the-new-hawaii-five-o-is-a-great-remake/

Note at the bottom of it, there is the usual place for reader comments, something which is below tons of other sites on the WWW, where very few people usually bother giving their opinion.

Maybe the folks from here can spare a few seconds of spewing enmity at each other and respond to this one?

A few goofs in this review, and I would disagree strongly with the author's opinion on some episodes, but what the heck:

http://blogcritics.org/video/article/dvd-review-hawaii-five-o-the7/

Added: Friday 07 October 2011 11:08:54 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: Cappy-o-Lawneee South

H50F.."Hawaiian with a mainland "twang" just doesn't sound right."

Kimo.."H1F; "Twang" is an excuse for mis pronunciation of Hawaiian words and bringing haole culture to Hawai'i and refusing to learn."

I chuckle at these comments. You folks don't know what REAL TWAAANG is. Come to sunny North Carolina (I would have said North Cacklelackee but you really would have been lost then) and we'll show you some real Southern twang you can sink your teeth into....outerbanks beaches aren't Waikiki, but not too bad....

Added: Friday 07 October 2011 10:01:36 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Pittsburgh

Richard Thomas did date, but never married Sian Barbara Allen. His first wife was Alma and his second Georgiana. He actually had triplets, but not twins, plus another son with Alma. I think he also had another child with Georgiana. I remember when the triplets were born, as it was widely reported at the time.

Added: Thursday 06 October 2011 19:19:46 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

I seem to need to make an apology. Upon looking up Sian Barbara Allen, I do not see reference to her ever having been married to Richard Thomas. I would have sworn they were and that they had twins. My humblest apologies, if I am mistaken, but I don't think I am.

Added: Thursday 06 October 2011 13:45:04 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Kati in "East Wind, Ill Wind" was portrayed by Sian Barbara Allen. She was married for a number of years to Richard Thomas (John-Boy). They even had twins! Really! Sadly, they divorced. She is an excellent actress. I remember her in an episode of "Marcus Welby." Very talented actress - much better than he (RT).

Added: Thursday 06 October 2011 13:36:02 MST


Submitted by: Elaine
From: Watertown, MA

Last night I watched Season 10's, "East Wind, Ill Wind" and again had to marvel at how good HFO was when it was hitting on all cylinders. The young woman who played the deaf Katy? was very good, but the best acting belonged to JL when McGarrett goes in for his manicure. It was chilling to watch him play cat and mouse with the manicurist! Great writing and great acting in that scene. McG was calm but menacing at the same time! Word to the wise, don't ever get on Mcg;s bad side! I tried to imagine AOL playing such a scene and frankly my mind just couldn't conceive of it. That's the big difference between the original HFO and the new generation. There's acting and then there's ACTING. (Sorry about the capitals, but how else can one get the point across!)

I've been going back through the first 10 seasons and replaying some of my favorites before I tackle Season 11 (it's going to be a long winter here in the Northeast according to the Old Farmer's Almanac, so I'm saving Season 11 for those long, cold winter nights). Anyway, I really like the "lighter" moments when the camaraderie of the team shows through. Like in Over Fifty Steal, when Chin Ho comes back to inform the team that they purchased all the stolen items and Kono's thumb print is on the binocular's lens! Anyone else have some favorite light moments they'd like to share?

Added: Thursday 06 October 2011 13:24:47 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: nyc

Wow..so much stuff on EXECUTION FILE: the generic music sounds a la ---will smith's 'gettin jiggy with it"?

and that funky score where hendrix stakes maggers' home, the guitars echo Guess Who's "these eyes" ?

or Eagles "one of these nights"?

McG with the frisbee: that was cute! "hey!" wheeee!

final grade: B+

Added: Thursday 06 October 2011 13:16:29 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

"James was the one who said he was good at picking up on foreign words. "ooooh, no ya don't. James was as bad as Jack in that regard also.

Added: Thursday 06 October 2011 13:06:26 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

"These things can be looked up in maps and reference books in order to look right on paper." No, they can't. "I've had enough of your nonsense as it is." No, you haven't.

Added: Thursday 06 October 2011 13:00:11 MST


Submitted by: Steve's Girl
From: Germany

@ Rainbow Warrior concerning "The Singapore File":
I completely agree with you. The remarks you quoted really sum up the kind of person Steve is.

@ H50 Forever "...although it is easy to pair SMcG and Nicole..."
I recently read a story,"This Thing of Ours", on FanFiction.Net. A very sad story that gives Steve not much credit, but is IMHO very true to his personality as far as his "private emotions" are concerned.

Added: Thursday 06 October 2011 12:59:12 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

JMac and JLord were hip cats! :!cool: They were too cool to pronounce the Hawaiian words properly. So naturally they'd want to add a hip twang to them. Hence utter coolness like Cappy-o-Lonnie and Pow-Hanna and such! :!cool:

Added: Thursday 06 October 2011 12:44:54 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: New Jersey

I was not talking about when Jack was living there for ten years, but when the show began, and I didn't say that James was helping him to learn pronunciation, but to make sure spellings and the right names were used in the script. These things can be looked up in maps and reference books in order to look right on paper.

James was the one who said he was good at picking up on foreign words. If you're going to react like a brat and pick another argument with me, don't bother. I've had enough of your nonsense as it is.

Added: Thursday 06 October 2011 12:43:27 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

H1F; "Twang" is an excuse for mis pronunciation of Hawaiian words and bringing haole culture to Hawai'i and refusing to learn. Jack is supposedly a resident of ten years and he does not know how to pronounce basic Hawaiian words and phrases? 'A'ole! Not pono. "You can take the haole out of the mainland but you can't take the mainland out of the haole." We have heard many excuses for malihini not pronouncing placenames and words correctly. This is one of them.

Added: Thursday 06 October 2011 12:12:04 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Elaine:

I like that storyline. Assuming he genuinely loves Hannah and isn't just looking for a replacement for Kit, he has found exactly what he needs. Farming in Vermont would be a nice life. I'm sure he would enjoy it, and I know Jack loved time he spent in the Hudson River Valley of New York, where his grandparents owned a fruit orchard. In fact, he said that, after his father died, his mother moved back and ran the farm. She was in her early 80s! It's that good, strong Irish stock, you know.

Kimo:

You're right. Hawaiian with a mainland "twang" just doesn't sound right. But, then, everyone who learns a second language tends to speak it with the "twang" of his/her native language. An American who moves to England will always sound American, not British. Alas!

Added: Thursday 06 October 2011 11:59:44 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

"Well, it's pau hannuh time" ugh.
"Aloha nui Louie" double ugh.
http://bit.ly/oacE0J
Yea. Right. That haole "was good with picking up on pronunciation of Hawaiian words, so it isn't too far off."

Added: Thursday 06 October 2011 11:34:23 MST


Submitted by: Elaine
From: Watertown, MA

H50 Forever:

I, also, write fan fiction and have written 6 screenplays for HFO based on the original cast. I, too, always wondered about what McGarrett would do when he was done protecting and serving the people of the 50th state. So, in my screenplays, I give him a Happy Ending. All the screenplays are tied together, so there is a common thread and her name is Kit (Katherine Isobel Turner). Anyone ever notice that McGarrett's serious relationships were with women named "Cathy"? McGarrett meets Kit as part of 5-0's investigation into the murder of a botany professor at UH, where Kit is a doctoral student in volcan ecology (she studies the recolonization of plants post eruption at Hawaii Volcanoes National Park). She starts out being the chief suspect in the murder and ends up a pawn of the CIA and McGarrett ends up saving her life and falls in love with this brave young woman. (Volcanoes are tame compared to the doings of the Company). Anyway, Kit and McGarrett don't get to live happily ever after because the evil that men do lives after them, etc., but some time later, McGarrett does resign from 50 to move to Craftsbury Vermont to live with Kit's twin sister, Hannah, whose own story is even more remarkable. There, McGarrett trades his gun for a tractor and becomes an organic farmer (remember, he was into yogurt, nuts and berries!).

I had so much fun giving him a happy ending with Hannah. As head of Five-O, he had sacrificed his personal life for his job, sublimated his owns needs for the good of the people he protected. Now, it was his turn to find happiness. When he met his mid-life crisis head on, he had to make the big decision. To give up Five-O or Hannah and he chose to start a new life with her.

I'd like to think that JL would be smiling at this development....he loved horses, he loved nature....

What do you think?

Added: Thursday 06 October 2011 11:13:38 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: New Jersey

Mike, you asked me this on the IMDb, and I told you there. I got this information from Virginia Tolles' website, Memories of Hawaii Five-O. Even though you were trying to be funny, I don't think suggesting Jack was above asking the loclas for help to be in good taste. Now if you want further proof, a friend of mine who spoke to many people connected with the show, including Doug Mossman, also verified that James would help him with the writing. James did say that he was good with picking up on pronounciation of Hawaiian words, so it isn't too far off.

Added: Thursday 06 October 2011 10:35:31 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

H50 Forever:

What a great, deep, intellectual post. Hats off to you for such thoughtful response. Great stuff!

Added: Thursday 06 October 2011 10:17:57 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

You're absolutely right, Rainbow Warrior. Although it is easy to pair SMcG and Nicole, it should not be done. He was married to law enforcement. He needed no distractions, not even from the lovely Miss Wylie.

Several writers of fan fiction (and I'm one, although I haven't posted my stories) have tried to imagine what SMcG's life would be like after he retired; e.g., when Gov Jameson left office. SMcG (not JL, who was older) would be about 50 years old at that point, not an easy age to move into another law enforcement position.

He probably would enjoy teaching other aspiring detectives, but his degree from Annapolis would not have been in criminal justice, but something along the lines of warfare engineering. By 1980, universities were insisting that professors have terminal degrees in their respective fields, not merely experience. So, it seems that he would have to do something completely different from law enforcement.

The stories I've read - and written - really show him as a very sad character post-retirement. It's late to think of marriage (although it still could happen). It's late for the work he loves. What does such a person do? I don't know.

Added: Thursday 06 October 2011 09:09:23 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Vrinda, it's really not necessary to quote H50 Forever's entire post, much longer than your comment, especially since it was made only two posts before your own. A line like "I agree what you just said, H50 Forever..." would be quite sufficient.

And by the way, what is your source for this claim that "James" (presumably James MacArthur) was "even sitting up at night with Jack and helping him to revise these scripts to make sure references to Hawaiian names, landmarks, and culture were accurate."

From all that I have ever heard, despite the fact that JM (James MacArthur) always expressed gratitude for being able to live and work in Hawaii, he was basically a "haole boy" at heart. In a TV interview in 1996, JM said that when he first started appearing on the show, he would say things like "I'm at the corner of Kamehaula [or some typical Hawaiian street name] and [some other typical Hawaiian street name] with no idea what he was talking about."

If Lord wanted this kind of help, he would probably have turned to Zulu (at least for the first four seasons), Al Harrington (hmmm, well, maybe not, for reasons we all know) or Doug Mossman (dunno about this one).

Or are you suggesting that JL, in only getting JM to help him in this way, was above asking the local denizens for assistance? (LOL)

Added: Thursday 06 October 2011 09:03:59 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: New Jersey

"A few more thoughts (a by-product of waking up too early, I think):

Throughout the series, we've seen other secretaries than Steve's secretary to indicate that Five-0 is larger than the four-man/one-secretary team. We've even seen HPD officers coming and going. In Season 11, we see other suit-clad men in the detectives' cubicles. They seem to indicate that Five-0 is larger than the four-man team.

I wonder why, at some point, they did not open the other side of the reception area with more cubicles housing more detectives (for show) to indicate that Five-0 was growing, which surely it would have been. After all, from the size of the real-life HPD headquarters building (plus substations), we know crime exists in paradise.

We see a PC on a desk in Kono's old cubicle, but we never see anyone using it, nor did they mention it. Why? When McG tells one of the detectives to research someone or something, couldn't they have have shown the detective going to the computer and typing furiously? After all, even though these shows predated the Internet, they did not predate networking to a mainframe, such as the HPD computer.

I like to make correlations between old and new; e.g., the telex and e-mail, the telecopier and fax. Even then, they called sending photos by telecopier "photofaxing". Five-0 wasn't so long ago, after all. We've just changed the terminology as we've shifted from analogue to digital technology. Fascinating!

Okay. I'm through."

Thank you, H.1, and thank you for your comments. Back then, the emphasis was not on technology, so I think they didn't make a point to show the characters using it as much. I didn't even notice the computer in Kono's old cubicle till you mentioned it. How often did they show someone sitting there, for that matter? When the guys took calls, they were sitting at that front cubicle closest to Steve's office.

Added: Thursday 06 October 2011 08:22:05 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

As I travel through season two, I watched "Singapore File" for the first time since the 1980's and man what a magnificent episode. This was the show that I thought was the beginning of Five-O transitioning from very good show to legendary show with iconic status. The old Five-O I loved more than any other show, because I felt so good after I watched it, it made me think about so many feelings and emotions because it was so satisfying on so many levels to watch it. "Singapore File" is still so powerful after almost forty years, and also it touched and moved me so deeply and I'll tell you why. The last scene basically set the tone for the rest of the show's run and summed up the tragedy of Steve McGarrett's character. When Nicole says "Will I ever see you again?" and Steve says "Yes, if you come on vacation to Hawaii, I'll be here, this is my beat." That was the whole show summed up so succintly and elegantly in so few words because it was so true. Steve's whole life was his job, it was high pressure, with the Governor and often times Washington on his back. It wasn't glamourous, glitzy or easy but he made a commitment to protect that state and those islands from all dangers 24/7 and that meant sacrificing his personal life, his sister's company from season one, and even a woman or women that he loved. That is how deeply he took his commitment to his job. To me that commitment and his words to Nicole on the boat, "I've never made a promise I couldn't keep." is why the character was so appealing. My brother said to me that they should have made Nicole his wife, and I said it wouldn't have worked. For the type of shows that followed afterwards for the rest of it's run it would have hindered the program to keep showing his wife from time to time. "Singapore File" is truly wonderful and I'd like to start a thread hearing other's thoughts on this great episode. Aloha pretty lady!

Added: Thursday 06 October 2011 08:12:23 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

A few more thoughts (a by-product of waking up too early, I think):

Throughout the series, we've seen other secretaries than Steve's secretary to indicate that Five-0 is larger than the four-man/one-secretary team. We've even seen HPD officers coming and going. In Season 11, we see other suit-clad men in the detectives' cubicles. They seem to indicate that Five-0 is larger than the four-man team.

I wonder why, at some point, they did not open the other side of the reception area with more cubicles housing more detectives (for show) to indicate that Five-0 was growing, which surely it would have been. After all, from the size of the real-life HPD headquarters building (plus substations), we know crime exists in paradise.

We see a PC on a desk in Kono's old cubicle, but we never see anyone using it, nor did they mention it. Why? When McG tells one of the detectives to research someone or something, couldn't they have have shown the detective going to the computer and typing furiously? After all, even though these shows predated the Internet, they did not predate networking to a mainframe, such as the HPD computer.

I like to make correlations between old and new; e.g., the telex and e-mail, the telecopier and fax. Even then, they called sending photos by telecopier "photofaxing". Five-0 wasn't so long ago, after all. We've just changed the terminology as we've shifted from analogue to digital technology. Fascinating!

Okay. I'm through.

Added: Thursday 06 October 2011 04:23:37 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Vrinda and L. B., you're exactly right! Thank you for making these points.

Added: Thursday 06 October 2011 03:49:27 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: New Jersey

Type-o: I meant, "not saying anything clear or sunbstantial."

They wouldn't have needed a character like O'Quinn's on the original series, because the leads were so strong. Jack Lord could hold his own against even the most intimidating bad guys. Even James MacArthur was no-nonsense and kick-ass when the script called for it.

Added: Wednesday 05 October 2011 22:29:04 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: New Jersey

Thank you, L.B.

I know you weren't implying that Jack changed the scripts around for his own benefit, but I wanted to clarify things because other people have assumed that, further fueling the rumors that Jack was egotistical and self-absorbed. I know he changed the scripts if he felt the change would improve their quality.

However, people have accused him of rewriting them to give himself more screentime, and that's far from the truth and impossible to do.

I do agree that bringing in Terry O'Quinn, and even adding an extra appearance for him, was not done just for the sake of the storyline, but to add some command of presence and a strong character to the cast, which they are not getting from AOL.

Added: Wednesday 05 October 2011 22:01:39 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

Vrinda,

Very well said. I was not saying in my last post that JL changed scripts to include more lines for himself, but that he would change it if he felt that quality was lacking or that something could be done or said better in a particular show. He was also someone that would not hesitate to challenge even the president of CBS if he felt the situation warranted it. Of course, since Jack was basically second in command on the show behind Leonard Freeman, he had the clout to do these things, whereas AOL likely does not have that kind of power yet.

The main point that I was making was Lord's McGarrett was much stronger than AOL's version. I believe the producers are bringing in O'Quinn for several episodes in part because of this. Would there have been a need for someone of O'Quinn's stature on the original series? No way.

Added: Wednesday 05 October 2011 19:18:20 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: New Jersey

People say that Jack had an ego and was difficult, but that's saying anything clear or substantial. We all have an ego, but when we say someone has an eogo and mean it in a negative way, it means that this person was trying to turn all the attention on himself, and was disadvantaging others just to benefit himself. It's a form of being selfish. There is no proof Jack ever did such a thing.

These accusations that he changed the scripts to give himself more scenes doesn't make sense, when you know how scripts are written and revised. The writers write the script, then they send it to the producers, who make revisions. They then send it to the network for final approval, and they make changes as well. Rewrites are also done when the episode is in production, so it's impossbile for one person to change the script into one version and keep it that way throughout shooting. TV shows also have story editors or story consultants whose jobs are to revise scripts when they get them from the writers and before submitting them to the producers.

With all these people involved, and even though Jack had executive producer status (but was uncredited), he couldn't have changed the scripts just to focus on Steve McGarrett if he wanted to. On the creative side, it wouldn't make sense for McGarrett to be at the center of every scene when a crime story has to focus on the victims, criminals, suspects, and the other detectives - when they work together and have to answer to one another. McGarrett is a police chief who has limits. He isn't a one-man operation, and was never established as such, so it's impractical to say that Jack purposely changed the scripts to reflect otherwise, when the show was already halfway through its run and the characters were recognized as being part of state police.

Jack and producers had certain scripts to choose from, and they picked the ones they felt were the best. If they centered more on Steve McGarrett, that was just how they were written. If Jack actually did any tampering with the scripts to give himself more lines, I'm sure others would have said so, and copies of these scripts with all these changes made, would have turned up somewhere. I don't think James and Kam would have stuck around as long as they did if they knew that was going on. James was even sitting up at night with Jack and helping him to revise these scripts to make sure references to Hawaiian names, landmarks, and culture were accurate. If Jack was cutting down James's scenes, he certainly would have known and not kept quiet about it for eleven years.

The scripts I see on eBay have notes in the margins from the actors who used them, and even rewritten pages for certain scenes, but they don't indicate that anyone's parts were chopped down in order to give Jack more screentime.

Added: Wednesday 05 October 2011 18:15:10 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

I just read an article about Steve Jobs' passing. By comparison, JL just might have been the pussy cat Meighan thought SMacG was. LOL

Seriously, I agree, LB. Although JL could be tough when the need arose, he did a lot of good for the show and for the actors who were new to the craft. It is interesting to note that Marj Dusay - and JL, himself - explained that some actors arrived on the set with less than positive attitudes. Some didn't take their work seriously. Others couldn't make the break from their Hawaiian vacations long enough to settle down to work. Sad to say, whip cracking was unavoidable.

Added: Wednesday 05 October 2011 18:07:17 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

"AOL is merely following the script. What would you have him do? Start rewriting the script, as JL was alleged to have done?"

Yes, if it will lead to a better product. While Lord was reputed to have had a large ego and to have been difficult, it was also said by many in the industry that there wasn't a show of that era that had better production values. Many of the actors on the original series also said that while he was hard on them at times, it made them better at their craft. Thus, Lord's involvement arguably made the show better than it would have been otherwise. Of course, it helps when you have an actor like Lord who was nearly perfect for the role rather than someone who was cast more for reasons other than ability or compatibility with the part.

Added: Wednesday 05 October 2011 16:00:16 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

oh yeah you talked season 12 , major clues

hmm: will BORED SHE HUNG HERSELF finally be shown on this set?

[Trust me, this show will never officially see the light of day. I have word on good authority from someone high up at CBS that there are "legal issues" surrounding this show. The person who told me this didn't know specifically what these "issues" were. -- MQ]

M STATION HAWAII be shown here? i know it's isn't 5-0 but Lord is in it and it be a treat to show it

[Unlikely, even though this is a CBS show. Don't forget, there are only 20 hours of material in season twelve. That translates to five DVDs in a package where CBS is already taking a big chance!]

perhaps, gulp! that busted 1997 pilot of 5-0 with --gary busey? -- in this set?

[Also unlikely, I don't know if a finished product was ever assembled for this show. The version I have seen is missing various things, like a proper beginning and end titles.]

i hope to God season 12 won't be split in 2 separate sets for 2 different dates like THE FUGITIVE or STREETS OF SAN FRANSCISCO

[That would be totally ridiculous ... as I mentioned, there are only 5 discs in the set and I don't think CBS would want to annoy people at this stage of the game.]

Added: Wednesday 05 October 2011 15:01:44 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

@ mike....i am at fordham univ's library ...i don't have a home computer :!doh: . but danno and McG are in the office as McG studies the files of the 1st pimp Loggia kills , McG sighs and then says about (i think the pimp's name is) Kamaki's "rap sheet" which does say in the DVD subtitle. but hearing Lord. he clearly says "shit". the 15:12 mark. fans and mike, take a listen when seeing it. perhaps mike, can that scene be taken as a link to be put here? are you allowed to do that?

Added: Wednesday 05 October 2011 13:32:09 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I originally found Jenna Kaye irritating, but I actually felt sad when she left in the last show. I loved her response to McGarrett who was pushing her to dig up some info, sort of like "OhmigawdIamalreadystressedtothemaxandyourhasslingmedoesn'tmakemeworkfaster"!

Here are some comments from IMDB forum (not made by me) about the "new girl":

=====

the new girl, I can't even remember her name, I think I'm trying to block it out so maybe she'll go away.

I mean in the office near the beginning she's doing Danny's job of arguing with Steve, Hated that.

Then later in the car, she's doing Steve's job picking at Danny! hated that too.

Needed more Steve/Danny.

Like Joe and Steve, just hope they don't over do, like they are trying with the new girl.

=====

I don't like the new girl either. She has no chemistry with the team whatsoever. Her hair is horrible! I don't know who's doing her styling. But the color is horrible too! (Im a hairstylists daughter....I always notice ppls hair...lol)

Added: Wednesday 05 October 2011 11:58:51 MST


Submitted by: Tina
From: CA

@Hawaii
Well, I liked Lauren. Loved her with Danno. I think it is a great idea to bring new people into the show, to be honest the main cast was kind of bleh. Scott seems to be the only one viewers like, so I can understand cbs adding more people into the cast.

Added: Wednesday 05 October 2011 11:56:28 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

What do the DVD subtitles say when McGarrett supposedly says "shit"?

There are a couple of other instances of bad words, as follows:

At the end of I'll Kill 'em Again, Five-O breaks in to the hooker's room, catching Eddie in the act of strangling her. They pull him off her, but the hooker tries to get free and attack Eddie, saying "You bastard!" (at least according to the DVD subtitles).

At the end of Murder -- Eyes Only, Wo Fat is not present when McGarrett arrives, much to his disgust. Instead, there is some bald guy who looks like Wo from the back. When McGarrett brings this guy out from the cabin, the DVD subtitles translate what he says as "Goddamn it," but he is actually saying "Get out, damn it."

Added: Wednesday 05 October 2011 11:36:58 MST


Submitted by: hawaii
From: chicago

OMG, regarding bad acting please get rid of Lauren German. There are many other actors that can wear skinny jeans and star in sex scenes, that can actually act. the car scene with danny was and her was painful to watch and digest. carguments are meant for steve and danny only. The show needs to find its "niche" with the main cast of characters, before adding horrible actors to the mix. I find Max cute in a quirky manner. Again it is just entertainment.

Added: Wednesday 05 October 2011 11:25:39 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

EXECUTION FILE: oh God! that generic music is shit! speaking of that word, listen closely in the 15:12 mark where Jack Lord "cusses". yes. when examining files in his office, he is supposed to say "rap sheet" but i heard and i am sure others and mr mike heard Lord say "rap shit" . Seriously, i played it over and over. yep, McG curses!

Added: Wednesday 05 October 2011 11:18:52 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"What would you have him do? Start rewriting the script, as JL was alleged to have done?"

Absolutely!!! :)

Added: Wednesday 05 October 2011 10:10:53 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

"AOL plays the part with almost a total disregard for the law that he is supposed to uphold at times, which doesn't add to the reality of the series."

Uh, I don't think so. AOL is merely following the script. What would you have him do? Start rewriting the script, as JL was alleged to have done?

Added: Wednesday 05 October 2011 07:20:35 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, while the current and original shows are forty years apart, the biggest difference between them is the McGarrett character. If anyone wants to see how this character should be played, all you have to do is watch the original Hawaii Five-O. Jack Lord played the part flawlessly almost from the start.

Lord was the center of attention in almost every scene that he was in because he had a commanding presence. Think of some of the scenes where AOL has confronted Wo Fat and Victor Hesse. He was upstaged in many of those. This would have never happened with Jack Lord's McGarrett. While they play their parts well, JL would have eaten either character's lunch in those scenes.

I have heard that CBS had a contractual obligation with AOL and may have felt a need to cast him as McGarrett after two failed series (please correct me if I am wrong on this). A more mature actor such as O'Quinn would have been a better choice for this role in my view. When their respective series began, JL was 47, AOL was 33. In my view, someone 33 does not have the gravitas (for lack of a better word) to play this part. Along these lines, AOL plays the part with almost a total disregard for the law that he is supposed to uphold at times, which doesn't add to the reality of the series. It was obvious with the casting that CBS was going for the younger demographic in choosing AOL rather than selecting the best person for the role.

Added: Tuesday 04 October 2011 17:35:41 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

i was waiting for a robotic hand to come out of max's hat/head with that horrible INSP GADGET gear! wait for the hand to come out and choke him! that was a horrible horrible scene! and also the edits between lori and danno in the car was bad, look @ danny's head movements.

> nice to see terry and daniel back in LOST Territory in the jungle. hoping the smoke monster would make a cameo.
>

> mike, this is the 2nd show in a week involving the horse tranquilizer, ketamine: the UK show INSPECTOR LEWIS seen now on PBS had 'THE MIND HAS MOUNTAINS" where Lewis was investigating a doctor testing his students with ketamine. one dies--murder? lewis and sgt hathaway investigate ; this episode gets the A but 5-0 last nite, a C

> SEAL training scenes echoes of DEEP COVER

> show rated TV PG DLV? TV 14 be better. was violent .

Added: Tuesday 04 October 2011 14:01:49 MST


Submitted by: Tina
From: CA

I think and older and more talented actor as Terry Quinn should had been perfect as McGarrett instead of Alex O. Rainbow, I am sure cbs knows they did a mistake with him, but what can they do now? Well, add Terry Quinn for 9 more episodes , they need a stronger actor than Alex O. to keep the viewers watching.
CBS should had been more careful when chosing the lead man for this show.

Added: Tuesday 04 October 2011 11:56:58 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Re Rainbow Warrior's comment that AOL is not a commanding screen presence. He walks the walk, but he doesn't talk the talk. Leave your shyness at home, AOL. McGarrett is anything but shy. Come through the door like a banshee, as JL told it. Show that you're smart enough to have been selected for Annapolis. Bulk up!

Re Mike and Elaine's deduction that Kono is working undercover, I surely do hope so. She's not stupid enough to be drawn in by the very crooks she's been fighting for the past year. At least, I hope she's not. She also needs to leave her shyness at home and develop a spine. the real Kono was quiet, but when he was doing business, he was all business.

Added: Tuesday 04 October 2011 10:26:06 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

I'm sorry, I watch the new show every week and it is just a mess. The problem with the show is that they have so much crammed into it, that it doesn't have an identity. They are trying to please fans of the old show like me, at the same time please younger viewers who have never seen the old show, then please the audience in between us, and finally please the clueless network executives who I used to work for, with what they want in the program. The result is you have a show with "good moments", but not good shows in totality that you remember for days or weeks afterward. They also know that AOL is not a commanding screen presence, because they have had to bring in great actors like Terry O'Quinn, Sizemore, and the new member of the team, the woman from DHS. These people are brought in to lift the show because of AOL's flaws. When O'Quinn is acting you see the show this should have been. Case in point, I looked at a new show last week called "Prime Suspect" with Maria Bello. She's fantastic in it, the show is built around her and she has a compelling screen presence. The first show I was riveted to every second which I have been few and far between with the new Five-O. Bottom line, they miscast the Steve McGarrett and Danny Williams characters and they can't recover from that. I was actually relieved when Danny didn't show up for the first 15 minutes of the show last night. Again, I hear Scott Caan is a real nice guy, and to all the people that work on the show, you're putting in every effort, you're working so hard, but you're all over the place. Two years in, you still don't know what you want the show to be, you don't have an identity! I hope it changes, because I watch each week out of loyalty to the title.

Added: Tuesday 04 October 2011 08:32:10 MST


Submitted by: Elaine
From: Watertown, MA

Just a quick thought about last night's show....The thing with Kono....I have a suspicion that Kono is actually working undercover to nail Billy Baldwin's character...it makes perfect sense that she's a plant...I can't see her hacking into Chin Ho's police database...he is, after all, family. So, does anyone think that realistically, she's turned into a "dirty cop"? I think not. What do you folks think?

Added: Tuesday 04 October 2011 07:21:47 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

This is another "very good show until you think about it too hard."

Like McGarrett cutting down a tree in front of the dope gang? They should have had a credit thanking their sponsor Husqvarna, I guess. A very good stunt with the car turning over, though.

But this pales in comparison beside the parachuting stunt. They will be hard pressed to ever top this one on the show. But there are lots of questions about this, blah blah blah.

I wonder what executive producer Robert Orci, who is somewhat anti-establishment [sic] and into conspiracy theories, thought of the ending to this show! Must have been some chairs flying in the room where they discussed the script for this show prior to writing it.

The ending had "contemporary issue" relevance. In fact, I was just reading in the paper that there was talk of US troop involvement in the Mexican drug wars. I can't remember if the Mexican government had asked for this, or whether the US had said "enough bullshit, let's do it."

The ending will divide people. Either they will say "Yeah, USA, go and kick butt," or "Once again the US overrides the sovereignty of a foreign nation, trampling on their rights." Of course, there is a parallel to the Osama bin Laden raid, etc., etc.!!

Terry O'Quinn gave a very classy performance, and the other actors were good too. Of course, Kono is NOT turning to the dark side, hanging out with sleazy ex-cops. She is doing "research" to win huge brownie points and get her status with HPD restored, you can see this coming a mile away.

Added: Tuesday 04 October 2011 07:20:22 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Can anyone identify this woman? She was on Five-O!

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/images/mystery-woman.jpg

Added: Monday 03 October 2011 21:52:39 MST


Submitted by: DeliWaiter
From: Palm Springs, CA

I was rummaging for records the other day and came across two albums of interest to Five-O fans. One is Jimmy Borges, "The Sweet Life" on Tantalus records recorded around the time Jimmy was the toast of the Waikiki Jazz scene. Of particular note is the tune "All My Tomorrows" the interplay between vocalist and pianist (Betty Loo Taylor) is very memorable. The album is autographed by Jimmy on the back to the original owner, making me think it was probably sold at one of his live shows.
Second album is folk music of Hawaii by the "SONS of HAWAII" featuring Moe Keale and the great Gabby Pahinui, one of the major slack guitar players of all time. Also on the record is Eddie Kamae, Joe Marshall and David Rogers. It's a prestige album, an "Island Heritage and Panini Production". Too bad the booklet that originally came with the record is not included but that I will save for another hunt. Da kine, braugh!

Added: Monday 03 October 2011 21:44:02 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Season 12 on DVD ... I have received some major clues that it is going to happen ... but exactly when, I don't know yet. Stay tuned.

Added: Monday 03 October 2011 12:28:01 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The replacement of music in The Execution File is pretty bad. I haven't decided what my rating for the show will be, but the DVD version would probably be at least a star less. Check out this supreme "anal-ysis"!

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/season11/execution-comparison.htm

Added: Sunday 02 October 2011 20:09:42 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

the promo for the next 5-0 episode: "someone is killing Navy SEALS!"

hmm...isn't this a job for the other CBS TV teams that Jethro Gibbs and G Callen lead? oh wait! Kensi from NCIS LA will join 5-0 at a later date! Abby from NCIS and Max would work great together, no?

ahhhh! @ AJ the mannequin and miss farrell in that scene...yes....saw it again. that was perfect and i am gonna change the grade of KINDA to an A-! sharon farrell was great in the dual role! and so lovely in that scene mentioned. despite all the bad reviews for season 12 i am looking forward to her as lori.

and ...nothing to do with FIVE 0 but those who have Antenna TV cable , there may be a crimetime saturday nite herebut no 5-0: last nite, here was the lineup: SWAT, ADAM-12, the 60s DRAGNET and wow! IT TAKES A THIEF! i hope the channel brings IRONSIDE soon , of course , Mr Lord guests in the 1st season.

Added: Sunday 02 October 2011 14:01:08 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: New Jersey

I got confused there, too. They were implying that the deprogrammer was doing all this but then, he wouldn't need to. He would have been trying to protect her. He sent her that letter with her mother's picture, but as far as I could see, he made no motion to meet with this girl. The grandfather was in town, could have been the one to kidnap her, but they didn't make it clear. The fact that these episodes move so fast, it's easy for them to cover up these plotholes.

Added: Sunday 02 October 2011 14:00:34 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

R.I.P. Charles Dubin. He's in my TOP 3 of Five-0 directors! Those TOP 3 are Michael O'Herlihy, Paul Stanley, and Charles Dubin.

Added: Sunday 02 October 2011 13:59:12 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

A Very Personal Matter ... this is basically a good show, but the use of this hot blonde aerobics instructor that McGarrett gets to go "undercover" is utterly stupid. Anyone with two brain cells (i.e., the Fritz Weaver character) could see that when she is begging him for drugs, it is a setup. The doctor does and lets McGarrett know this in no uncertain terms. And then she convinces the drug pusher to give her some prescription slips ... obviously another setup!

[Side note: If you are going to discuss this episode, try to avoid using the words "drugs" or "prescriptions," or you probably won't be able to post your message ... thank the anti-spam filter for this!]

By the way, speaking of incongruous stuff, the latest new show was full of it. Like who actually kidnapped the surfing girl at the beginning. Her grandfather, the cult leader? Except the grandfather had to figure out that the cult deprogrammer was in Hawaii, find out where he was staying, killed the guy, disposed of the body and then stole his car and kidnapped the girl. Why? To make people think it was the deprogrammer? I don't get it. Remember, the medical examiner's exam showed that the deprogrammer was killed the day BEFORE the paddleboard race...

Then after they break into the deprogrammer's place, Chin somehow snoops into his voice mail (love those all-encompassing powers) and gets a message from a woman who is supposed to meet him at the coffee shop the next day (the explanation for this is very brief and, as usual, mumbled). When they meet her, they get the background story on the deprogrammer but not much else. Suddenly McGarrett has a brainstorm which puts all the dots together about how the kid was connected to a cult, the cult is one of those on Jenna's list, it's on Lanai, etc., etc. DUMB!

I really get the feeling some of the inspiration for the new show is coming from seasons 10-12!

Speaking of season 12, by the way, someone has posted a rumour (I can't remember exactly where, I'll try and find out ... Update: It's on the Hawaii Five-O Celebration page on Facebook) that the final season will be appearing in December. This person reportedly phoned CBS/Paramount, who told him this.

Added: Sunday 02 October 2011 13:34:27 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: New Jersey

This is from a British sketch comedy show: bit.ly/lUR6Zd

The Mind Your Language skit was funny, but the Five-O one was not. This "stiff actors" nonsense is overdone. It could be parodied in many different, better ways.

Added: Sunday 02 October 2011 11:00:03 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I watched The Execution File yesterday. Aside from the appearance of Chin Ho in the credits, the music for this show, much of which was replaced because of rights issues, is totally screwed. In-depth "anal-ysis" will be forthcoming. I never thought I would say anything nice about John Cacavas, who is to the old show what Brian Tyler and Keith Power are to the new one, but the arrangements he did of the Rod Stewart song "Do Ya Think I'm Sexy," sometimes combining it with suspenseful music of his own, are vastly superior to the generic disco/funk drivel which CBS/Paramount chose to replace it. BTW, is the red convertible that Loggia is driving in this show a Mustang? According to Wikipedia, the Mustang design was revamped in 1979.

I also watched Stringer yesterday. I quite like this show, though at the end there is what I previously considered to be a goof: Stringer returns to his apartment to get the hidden camera photos, but finds the door locked by HPD. So he manages to get into the apartment through a floorboard or some other means (so much for security on this joint). But once he gets inside, guess who is there -- McGarrett, Five-O and HPD! So the question is ... how did THEY get in there? Presumably they were all waiting for him to show up (like sitting outside watching 24 hours a day or whatever) and when they saw him show up, see the lock and then go to the "other entrance" (which presumably they knew existed), then they opened up the lock and went inside to wait for him. I don't know about this camera, which seems to be taking a picture about once a second when Alika and his goons are in the room earlier. Is this technically possible?

Added: Sunday 02 October 2011 07:57:17 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

In the USA, you can only buy the season 1 of the new show on Blu-Ray at Best Buy. And there is no indication as to when it will be available at other locations like amazon.com. Amazon's Blu-Ray page for this item has the usual blab about "sign up to be notified when it is available." This is a BIG MISTAKE in my opinion, because there are people in the USA who would like to get the Blu-Ray from places other than Best Buy (especially since, I am told, the quality of the Blu-Ray is outstanding, and it IS the "format of choice" for many people now -- DUH!!). Best Buy in Canada doesn't seem to be selling the Blu-Ray either, though they have the regular DVD. I haven't driven to the store to check this out, but the Blu-Ray is not on the bestbuy.ca WWW site and was also not promoted in their flyers in the last few weeks. Amazon in Canada also has no date for the Blu-Ray, and neither does CNL, a major Canadian DVD retailer. When I went to the amazon.com page once just now, there was actually some person selling a copy of the Blu-Ray, but they probably got it from England, where it is available on amazon.com.uk (it is region free so it will presumably play in both England and North America). Big marketing opportunity missed all over the place here!

Added: Sunday 02 October 2011 07:42:00 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The Bark and the Bite ... I liked this a whole lot more this time. It is not worthy of one star, which would put it on the same level as several "total shit" episodes like To Hell With Babe Ruth.

As I summed up:

This show has taken a lot of heat because it is concerned with McGarrett doing the Governor's bidding for one of his rich friends, but at least you can say that it is logical, though Armitage's character's part is lame, has some funny scenes and quirky characters, and Steiner's score quotes the main Five-O theme at the beginning of the show, which is more than you can say for most of the other episodes this season.

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/5-0log11.htm#254

Added: Saturday 01 October 2011 13:56:56 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Re: the e-mail messages:

McGarrett discussed the penalty for murder in "Run, Johnny, Run." He was urging John Mala to surrender to him, rather than risk the Navy's arresting him, because Hawai`i has no death penalty, while the Navy does.

Added: Saturday 01 October 2011 13:50:47 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

@ AJ

mannequin?

now i have to fast forward and see what that's about

Added: Saturday 01 October 2011 10:50:45 MST


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: Dubinville

I see that Dubin directed some other of my favorites: The Ways of Love, Two Doves and Mr. Heron, Draw Me a Killer!

What is the fourth Vashon episode. I've forgotten.

Added: Saturday 01 October 2011 08:33:15 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Received in e-mail recently:

===

Did you hear about the September 6, 2011 passing of Charles S. Dubin, a director (all four Vashon shows and most of the best of M*A*S*H as well as Kojak and other '70s police shows)? He was 92 amd had narrowly escaped blacklisting in the 1950s when Communists seemed to be behind every tree.

===

On a review of one show from last season (the 22nd show with Sean Combes), you said that Hawaii doesn't have a death penalty. That's true. But the Federal Government does, and seems rather eager to impose it for killing of Federal agents or against criminals who abduct people across state lines and kill them, or during kidnappings after a certain amount of time has lapsed (thus bringing the FBI into the picture) or terrorists. McGarrett's comment about getting the death penalty for killing an FBI agent is accurate. The suspect would be tried in a federal court and sent to the death unit at Terre Haute Prison in Indiana. (Up to that point, they were executed in the state where their crime tooki place, whether or not it had a death penalty. A book by the former Director of Prisons in 1970 confirms this with a Michigan case.)

Added: Saturday 01 October 2011 07:26:37 MST


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