The Hawaii Five-O Home Page Guestbook -- October 2010 (Part 2)



The following are archived comments from October, 2010 (this is the second part). After looking around, please add your own comments!

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Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I got the first season of Peter Gunn from England the other day (5 DVDs). Look who is in the first show: bit.ly/d6duCx

Added: Saturday 16 October 2010 22:56:53 PDT


Submitted by: Maxine
From: Brooklyn

re: William Smith, an extensive interview of him was done by SHOCK CINEMA magazine in 1998; Issue #12. Don't remember if he talks about H50.

Added: Saturday 16 October 2010 21:14:46 PDT


Submitted by: boris
From: spfld ma

Death with Father was great! Duggan and son (totally believable, smart, desparate and real) are incredible!Plus Seth Sekai and Kwan Hi Lim.

Added: Saturday 16 October 2010 20:54:12 PDT


Submitted by: Dalen Quaice
From: Burbank, CA, USA

I've got it! Mr. Mike will show up at your house, uninvited, with doughnuts if you perfectly compose a 146 character post. :!party:

Added: Saturday 16 October 2010 20:31:49 PDT


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: NYC

Heather-Rose: We'll work it out somehow. Mr. Mike is aware of the situation. I want you to have this music.

Added: Saturday 16 October 2010 20:30:16 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

"What happened to Hawaii Five-O?"

It got twittered away! :p

Added: Saturday 16 October 2010 20:08:34 PDT


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: Manhattan

Are we going off-topic here? What happened to Hawaii Five-O?

Added: Saturday 16 October 2010 19:43:38 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

LOL Not inefficient; I just had the idea to say that after I had already posted the other comment. :D

Added: Saturday 16 October 2010 19:37:19 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I wonder if you get a prize if you always make 146 char. tweets. The 1st one I did below is an example of this. Smileys screw up the total though. <--- [this is 146 chars.]

Added: Saturday 16 October 2010 19:04:30 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Tsk! Tsk! KIR, you are being inefficient with your last 2 posts, they totalled 104 characters together, you could have combined them into one! :p

Added: Saturday 16 October 2010 18:51:56 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

This is fun, Dalen! We can exchange barbs twitter-style! ROFLMAO

Added: Saturday 16 October 2010 18:07:14 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

good excuse--but I ain't buying it! LOL

Added: Saturday 16 October 2010 18:05:41 PDT


Submitted by: Dalen Quaice
From: Burbank, CA, USA

KIR: I only have 146 characters. :!rofl:

Added: Saturday 16 October 2010 17:52:30 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Name one non-issue I talk about. The new H50 being the #1 new show? Is that what you call a non-issue? ;)

Added: Saturday 16 October 2010 17:27:13 PDT


Submitted by: Dalen Quaice
From: Burbank, CA, USA

KIR: same reason that all the non-issues you blather about are important to you! :!cool:

Added: Saturday 16 October 2010 17:12:06 PDT


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: My heart is in Hawai`i

I would enjoy having music. Give me a hint what you need. E-mail on my website. Mahalo nui loa.

Added: Saturday 16 October 2010 17:01:51 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Dalen, I just wonder why this non-issue of them being gay is so important to you. Begs the question why it means so much to you. ;)

Added: Saturday 16 October 2010 15:59:21 PDT


Submitted by: Dalen Quaice
From: Burbank, CA, USA

"You should change your shirt, you look like an animal." by Danno to McGarrett, New series, Ep 4. :!makeup:

Added: Saturday 16 October 2010 15:29:28 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The fact that posts are limited to 146 characters should not stop people from posting, it should just make them compress their thoughts... :!nerd:

Added: Saturday 16 October 2010 13:20:05 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Anyone know of any interviews w/William Smith about his time on 5-0? Also, what about Jack Lord recipes (lasagna)? I have cheesecake one archived.

Added: Saturday 16 October 2010 12:58:12 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Here is some blather:

Don't you WANT more posts, Mike? LOL

Added: Saturday 16 October 2010 12:46:13 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

What a bunch of wimps -- no one is taking up the Twitter challenge! Maybe I will leave it like this, it will cut down on a lot of the blather. ;)

Added: Saturday 16 October 2010 12:41:34 PDT


Submitted by: Pepe
From: South Hamilton, MA

KDMcG: I agree! There was a commanding presence in the original Five-O. Jack was the driving force onscreen and offscreen.

Added: Saturday 16 October 2010 08:14:12 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Today is Twitter comment day, 146 characters maximum length. Be creative/be precise! Don’t cheat with multiple submissions, either! You can do it!

Added: Saturday 16 October 2010 07:52:06 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Sure, Otto, I'd love a CD. Mike, feel free to convey my email addy to Otto. Thanks.

Added: Saturday 16 October 2010 04:52:53 PDT


Submitted by: S Hickman
From: Central Texas

The number on the headstone in ep 4 "Lanakila" is the marker number used in all military cemetarys. And at the entrance of all of these cemetarys is a grave locater that list the enterred by name and marker number and gives a map location to the grave.

Also Product placement... Ford cars in the original series McGarrett's Merc in the original series and the Merc under the tarp in the garage in the new pilot

Added: Saturday 16 October 2010 01:20:03 PDT


Submitted by: Dalen Quaice
From: Burbank, CA, USA

Best line in Ep 4 of the new series: "So how long you two been married?" (directed at McGarrett, referring to McGarrett and Danno) :!inlove:

Sorry, but Danno and McGarrett are written as being gay.

Doughnuts anyone?

Added: Friday 15 October 2010 19:51:34 PDT


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: Manhattan

ATTENTION EVERYONE: When I moved to NYC in '87, Channel 9 was showing Hawaii Five-O reruns in the afternoon. I taped over 70 episodes on VHS. Of course we all own the DVDs now, but i also made cassette tapes of my favorite music from the show, straight from the episodes, incidental sounds included. They are great.

For anyone who is interested, I could send you a CD in the mail of one of the mixes. All I would ask in return is whatever you want to send in reciprocation. Mr. Mike has my email address. If Mr. Mike doesn't want to deal with it, then we'll figure out another way. They really are great, better than the stuff on the official soundtrack record.

Added: Friday 15 October 2010 18:01:40 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Five-O Writers' Blog:

http://bit.ly/93rxGB

Added: Friday 15 October 2010 16:01:27 PDT


Submitted by: KD MCG
From: heather put that sock somwhre

@heather if the sock fits wear it ergo fits you. I saw the pilot and oh wow one ASIAN villain. I don't know why your panties are in a twist as I am just stating a fact. Anyway, your ability to extrapolate leaves me in tears lol

In any case, I am entitled to my view in saying that there are some great Asian actors out there who could put in an appearance..book 'em... :D

Added: Friday 15 October 2010 15:19:53 PDT


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Chicago

Hi Robert. Must make a small correction here. Hawaii Five-O is not up against "Dancing with the Stars." It is up against "Monday Night Football," "Chase" (NBC) and "Castle" (ABC). "Dancing..." ends on ABC just as "Hawaii Five-O" begins on CBS. However, you do actually have to change the channel if you are watching DWTS (as I do). As the season progresses for DWTS, they tend to run overtime and will start cutting into beginning of H50 if you are not paying attention.

Added: Friday 15 October 2010 14:31:04 PDT


Submitted by: RobertScorpio
From: San Diego

Keeping It Real

Thanks of the reality check in this forum. FIVEO is doing just fine, considering its up against Dancing with the Stars AND Monday Night Football.

I know what you mean about these haters of the new show. Some of them just hate this show with passion, as much as those Trekkers hated the new version(s) of STAR TREK. Some people just have a hard problem with change, or modern takes on old ideas. Its part of the human condition that quite frankly fascinates and entertains me at the same time.

Rob

Added: Friday 15 October 2010 13:03:57 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

KDMcG, put a sock in it. You're only commenting to be rude. You didn't even watch the new show carefully enough to notice that the pilot featured an Asian villain.

Added: Friday 15 October 2010 12:57:36 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Elaine, without touching the dreaded ratings word, just know that H50 won its time slot all four weeks; not Castle, for live viewing.Your facts are wrong.

I have never put down the old H50; on the contrary, I have said it was great for its time. It can not, and should not,be replicated.You say that if they called the new show anything else, you would be OK with it.Instead of realizing that CBS wanting to use that name means they honor it apparently never crosses your mind.

But CBS has every right to use that name as it, and the old show, belong to them. They are a business and they are very shrewd and have been the top network for sometime.

Many viewers really like the new show, and many of them liked the old show, too. I was just responding to the few of you who never can resist a post here that doesn't belittle the new show. Talk proudly about the old show. You should; it deserves that. But why do some of you insist on putting down the new one? It just sounds like sour grapes.I know some of you wish we would go away. We could but here's a news flash:

Us leaving won't make the new show go away, too.

Added: Friday 15 October 2010 09:55:25 PDT


Submitted by: KD MCG
From: Spirit? What spirit...

Sorry- i may not watch any more episodes-there is no reason to have a love scene other than hmmmm ran out of plot lol There are many shows that manage to survive without this. i am not a prude, but what i see is a gradual erosion of the spirit of Five-O as we resort to more anti-spirit moments. Alex O's portrayal is too uptight and sorry but it looks like he is irregular.

i just watched an episode of the original and even without the expensive budget,flashy effects, this show still rocks today because of tight scripts. :!mad: :D :!mad:

Added: Friday 15 October 2010 09:51:05 PDT


Submitted by: KDMCG
From: where where where?

@Elaine-yes indeed. I would add that a commanding presence is missing, although we saw some semblance on the last show as MCG finally barked orders. :D

Added: Friday 15 October 2010 09:22:28 PDT


Submitted by: Pamela McCaughey
From: Moncton, New Brunswick, Canada

Just a point: in the 1960's & 70's different writers did scripts for various shows; John D.F. Black wrote for both H5O and the original Star Trek. And many of the same guest starring actors/actresses appeared on both TOS and H5O which is interesting. Gene Roddenberry was at one point in talks with Jack Lord to play Captain Kirk! S'truth! They fell out on the point that Lord wanted a "piece" of the show as he eventually received on H5O. GR didn't want to do that kind of deal. Anyway, I think JL as McGarrett and Shatner as Kirk gave us a couple of great TV heroes to cherish!

Added: Friday 15 October 2010 09:15:28 PDT


Submitted by: DJ
From: Kalamazoo MI

Although I fell asleep during the show Monday night out of true tiredness, I still think it deserves a chance. It is a break away from the canned laughter one liner comedies for people who want a brief ADHD chuckle although some think this new Five-0 is just that.

Five-0 is also a break away from the scripted drama reality shows everyone seems so diligent to watch regardless of knowing they are scripted.

I have a feeling this show will capture a true vision eventually. To credit the old show I am for the old ones myself, but most people had never seen Hawaii on TV at all in the 60's 70's before the original Five-0 exposed it, so I am sure the interest in Hawaii itself boosted the original show.I have to admit it this is a much improved second attempt over the 90's remake flop.

Added: Friday 15 October 2010 08:15:29 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

KIR, I think you are being a bit speculative with a couple of things you said.

"H50#1 is getting the DVDs made and its name out there. More people than ever will buy those DVDs and experience what was. Without the new H50, that would never have happened."

I can't find exact dates for when I was told about rumoured release dates for seasons 10-12, but they were at one point extending all the way into 2012. I think it is very likely that if the entire series will be wrapped up by mid-2011 (still a rumour at this point), speeding up the release dates is likely due to the marketing geniuses at CBS/Paramount seeing a golden opportunity in connection with the new show. However, considering the show already went the distance to season 9 (which suggests continuing interest in the old series and good sales, rather than some Nostradamus-like foresight of CBS/P in connection with the new show), I think they would probably have gone the distance anyway.

"JM loves it [the new show] and he acted in it [the old one]."

I'm sure Curator will correct me if I am wrong, but so far I have only seen reports that MacArthur liked the pilot episode and that was what he read, not what he saw. Although he did send words of encouragement which were read at the beach premiere in Honolulu, I haven't seen anything that he "loves" anything beyond the pilot episode.

Added: Friday 15 October 2010 06:44:56 PDT


Submitted by: Elaine
From: Watertown, MA

To: Keeping It Real: RE: disappointed Fans of the Real HFO

I cannot speak for anyone else, but I, personally, gave the new HFO a chance. I watched 4 episodes, watched some of them more than once to try to hear/understand the dialogue, figure out what was going on between commercials, get into the characters, etc. and although there were a few things about the new show that I liked, most of what I saw was typical of shows such as 24, CSI's, etc. And no, I wasn't expecting a duplication of the original...it probablyt wouldn't have been successful either today because you cannot remake history...you can only fail to learn from history. It is clear to me that the producers of this new show failed to learn from history, e.g. how to make a good crime drama, based on its predecessor's formula, what Karen Rhodes described in her book as The Process. I'll reiterate...the producers were arrogant to call this new show HF-O and use the same cast of characters. They took the title and name recognition hoping to use both as a spring-board to an immediate success. CBS's PR can boast about the show being the #1 DVR'd show...but if you turn the "spin" around, it means that people would rather watch Castle at 10 PM than watch HFO. And given the quality of the new shows debuting this season, it tells me that the new HFO is actually mediocre. I've watched Detroit 1-8-7 and Blue Bloods and I find them both to be decent crime shows that hopefully will garner their share of the ratings down the line. In closing, I'll say that everyone is entitled to their opinion. This guestbook asked the question, what do we think of the new HFO? For many of us, the message is loud and clear.

Pau!

Added: Friday 15 October 2010 05:22:04 PDT


Submitted by: KD MCG
From: cbs plants plants,waters them and they grow?

@KIR, please tone it down. We get that you love the show my friend, but you do qualify that by saying it will not be like the original thus accepting the original to be a classic.

Alex o' is often laughable as a tough guy--more steely eyed than MCG, although the original could sear somebody just by looking at them for a few seconds.

Somebody said: "the Asian guy is coming back" oh wow, a great token when there are so many established Asian actors out there. I understand that they don't want to pigeonhole or paint every Asian with the same black brush, but come on

Added: Friday 15 October 2010 05:07:32 PDT


Submitted by: KD MCG
From: creativity was killed by the rebooters....kolohe

@Mr Scorpio:a clarification-the original show was not an action/adventure show it was classified as a crime drama similar to Law and Order-there were more twists and turns evident from the great scripts and themes. Yes, there was action, but honestly there was much more which the reboot fails to capture.

No,both you and Margaret Doversola (in an interview) have the wrong genre. Crime dramas like Law and Order tend to not be replete with special effects,explosions and fighting, howver this is a dumbed down version for today's crowd so makes sense. And, in closing, some posters are obviously "plants" from CBS here so don't be too ob vious hahahah :D

Added: Friday 15 October 2010 04:41:23 PDT


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: The Case Against (Rebooted) McGarrett

Chicken respectfully submits to Mr. Manicote, and the ladies and gentlemen of the GuestBook, that this new rebooted “Hawaii Five-O” is indeed a Travesty.

Elaine from Watertown has given her testimony, and submitted ample evidence to support this in her earlier post.

Now that we has had a full pre-ponderin a the evidence, the Chicken rests...

The Law Is Cool...

Added: Thursday 14 October 2010 23:19:49 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

I agree with Robert here. If they had done H50 exactly the same as in the 70's you would have said it was awful and hated it and said they shouldn't try to be what King Jack Lord and his minions were. Not to mention that no one in this day and age would watch it if they did that.

Be really honest with yourselves; those of you that cannot or will not allow an updated H50. There is nothing they could have done that you guys would have liked. They would have had to erect Jack from the dead and placed a magic spell on all the other cast members who are alive and make them 30 years younger. Then you might be accepting.

You hate that they use the name H50. And just for that, most of you who feel that way have refused to watch any episodes. You can pretend that you have, but I can tell by many comments some of you make, that you haven't watched it at all. You know you will never like it because of the name.

I get it. So don't watch it. But to constantly put it down just because you resent the show's name is silly and frankly won't change what is. H50#1 is getting the DVDs made and its name out there. More people than ever will buy those DVDs and experience what was. Without the new H50, that would never have happened.

It is almost as if you are afraid that the new show will be more loved than the old show. That is ridiculous.

They each have their era; H50#1 was perfect for the 70's. Hopefully the new H50 will be perfect for 2010 and beyond.For the life of me I don't understand how you can be resentful. JM loves it and he acted in it.

If it is that abhorrent to you, just don't watch. I know you aren't anyway, for the most part.

Added: Thursday 14 October 2010 22:36:32 PDT


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Seattle, Washington

Elaine from Watertown wrote: “By calling this reboot Hawaii Five-O and having the same "cast of characters", many of us hoped that there would be some similarities to the original show, given its iconic nature, with modernizations to bring it into the 21st century. And of course, it's nothing like the original. As a fan of the classic series, I have every right to be chapped that these producers have taken such liberties with the characters I grew up with, know and love! …So, no, I won't continue to support this travesty by watching it; I tried to give it a chance but feel betrayed and disappointed.”

Thank you for speaking up for the disappointed fans, Elaine. I really appreciate your post.

Added: Thursday 14 October 2010 20:44:58 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

A little birdie told me that Lenkov was indeed talking about Catherine and Steve.

Added: Thursday 14 October 2010 20:10:03 PDT


Submitted by: Dalen Quaice
From: Burbank, CA, USA

This just in:

SECOND SEASON OF HAWAII FIVE-0 TO BE SHOT ON PETER LENKOV'S CELL PHONE:

Press Release: As a TV first, CBS is proud to announce that Peter Lenkov's cell phone :!mobile: will be used to shoot the final episodes of the 2nd Season of Hawaii Five-0.

Production is moving to a meat factory converted to a soundstage in Atlanta, Georgia. This, along with the upgrade to a cell phone video camera, will improve the audio quality and eliminate the urine-esque tint issues some users have reported in Season 1.

CBS will be utilizing cutting edge CGI of Hawaii once the show moves to Atlanta for principal photography. Shooting will be once per week on Tuesday since the meat factory is still operational and only leasing space to the production team. :!movie:

Added: Thursday 14 October 2010 19:17:58 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Well, I hope he means Catherine and Steve. I just tweeted that question to him.

Added: Thursday 14 October 2010 18:22:56 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Interesting tweet about the clip with Catherine and Steve from Lenkov himself:

PLenkov It gets better. You'll see Monday.

about 8 hours ago via web

Reply Retweet

I told you there was probably more to that! ;)

Added: Thursday 14 October 2010 18:15:38 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Hans;

Of course I was teasing you about your GF! It is all definitely in good fun! LOL

I like the bromance myself. I know countless guys who tease and insult each other all the time and they are best friends. I would venture to say that their friendship is solid and doesn't make them any less masculine. I think it is just the way a lot of guys bond. Nothing feminine about it at all.

Girls bond very differently. We confide in each other more. It is entirely different than male bonding, IMO.

Just watch the guys sit together to watch a ball game and drink and it is much the same as this bromance.

Added: Thursday 14 October 2010 18:11:29 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Hans, I think your GF is on to something. Homoerotic bromance aside, it's notable that strong women characters are either nightmarish (Danno's ex) or missing (two dead mothers so far), except for Kono, and she's 1) had to strip to her underwear; 2) been put on kid duty; 3) been involved in a long-drawn-out hairpulling catfight, and 4) recoiled in horror from (gasp!l) entering a men's room. Hmm.

Oh there's the Governor, but we haven't seen much of her since McG scornfully told her off.

Of course the original show wasn't exactly a feminist tract, either :D

Added: Thursday 14 October 2010 16:52:40 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

That's fine, but she doesn't do much for me. Not my type, I guess :) I thought Diana Muldaur was boring, too.

Added: Thursday 14 October 2010 16:38:43 PDT


Submitted by: Hans
From: Boston

KIR, thanks for insulting my friend’s vision and insinuating her lack of honesty. But I know you mean it in good fun. ;)

She thinks Alex is a great looking dude w/ a great bod. And I’m secure enough with my manhood to admit the same, he’s a stud…

What she was saying was the way the characters of Steve and Danno are written with their bickering bromance and all, it’s like they made them women… I found it funny that she had issue with that but thought Grace as Kono was the best character in the show… knowing Kono being a woman upsets a lot of original fans…

we all have different perceptions.

Added: Thursday 14 October 2010 16:31:30 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

I agree Mike about Michelle being hot and I am female. I think she nails it myself.

Added: Thursday 14 October 2010 16:06:11 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Seriously, "gals," Michelle Borth could read the phone book and I would listen...

There is a good picture of her here:

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1784645888/nm1218924

:p

Added: Thursday 14 October 2010 16:00:01 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

CBS has some new "official Five-Zero microsite" which supposedly is about all things Five-O, but you know they only mean things about the new show. The e-mail I got about this says "Share it ... Embed it ... Learn it ... Live it ... Love it!" PUH-LEASE!!

The site is here:

http://www.cbspressexpress.com/widgets/HawaiiFive0/site_flash/index_v2.html

By the way, I just noticed the Subject: line in the e-mail I got reads "H50 [zero] - The Microsite for all things FIVE-O [>not< ZERO!!] Yeah!" I'm sure heads will roll over that... ;)

When you click on "video" in this very fancily-designed site, you are taken out of the microsite into the main CBS web site to see videos about the show, which, if you are viewing from outside the USA, means you can't see a lot of stuff!

I totally don't understand the logic of this (and this is nothing new to me, in case you are wondering). It's not like Global TV in Canada is going to go out of their way to promote the show. If CBS in the States promoted it, then wouldn't people all over the world watch the show, the ratings (in countries other than the States) would go up, CBS would make lots of money, blah blah blah...

THIS IS STUPID.

Added: Thursday 14 October 2010 15:51:39 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Hans:

Your GF is either blind when it comes to Steve OR she is not telling you what she really feels---just saying. :)

Heather;

It is a 1:30 video and you have her character analyzed? Personally, I thought she did quite well myself.

Remember, this is CBS, not cable. And we don't know all the stuff yet. This is a promo.

Added: Thursday 14 October 2010 15:42:09 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

The "hot makeout" scene is rather dull, alas. I'm not a big fan of this girlfriend character. She seems to have all the personality of a piece of Tupperware. Maybe she'll be killed off soon.

Added: Thursday 14 October 2010 14:49:48 PDT


Submitted by: Dean
From: Vernon Hills, Illinois

Just so you know, Season 10 can be preordered at Amazon.com.

Added: Thursday 14 October 2010 14:49:33 PDT


Submitted by: Hans
From: Boston

My girlfriend (who is a fan of the old show) is having trouble getting into the new show… she said “the Chin guy is cool, and I love Grace Park as Kono, she rocks! but why did they make Steve and Danno into women?”

I thought it was funny that she had no problem with Kono being a woman while on the other hand…

On another subject, whoever mentioned Truck in the old show, I was a huge fan of his too, they should have brought him on board in Season 10. He was one of the few joys of Season 12. I need to go find Jeff's video tribute of Truck :)

Added: Thursday 14 October 2010 14:22:16 PDT


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Chicago

Mr. Mike says..."This is allegedly a hot makeout scene between McGarrett and his naval GF from the next episode. I say "allegedly" because I am not going to watch it, I want to be surprised [sic] on Monday..."

Me, too. I'll have my cigarette ready. Oh, wait. I don't smoke (ha).

Added: Thursday 14 October 2010 13:51:52 PDT


Submitted by: Hans
From: Boston

Mr Mike, any chance of Chin's sister the prostitute showing up in the "new" Season 2? You know her, right?

Sum Ho...

Added: Thursday 14 October 2010 12:22:46 PDT


Submitted by: 0 66.228.95.91 Hans Boston

"reunites two classic villains: Doyle Weston and Big Chicken. Coming soon..."

Looking forward to that one! And great to read info on ratings in the new season 2, I love ratings talk!!! And demographic talk excites me too!!!

Yes Big Chicken, they are the "New Originals" but most of the Originals aren't around anymore so they could have called themselves the Originals again but said "why bother?"... ;)

Added: Thursday 14 October 2010 12:05:08 PDT


Submitted by: Jerry
From: Cincinnati

I just wanted to throw my two cents here....I loved the original 5-0 and have enjoyed the DVD issues of the series...I have fond memories of watching the with my father....that said I think the remake is quite good...it is obvious to me those running the new show have a love of the original....I have liked all 4 of the shows so far... I wish it a long run :D

Added: Thursday 14 October 2010 11:01:27 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

This is allegedly a hot makeout scene between McGarrett and his naval GF from the next episode. I say "allegedly" because I am not going to watch it, I want to be surprised [sic] on Monday...

http://www.twitvid.com/MNDEU

Added: Thursday 14 October 2010 10:38:24 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Thanks for your comments, Elaine, but these Season 2 episode anal-yses are not only by me. I have assembled a crack writing team (similar to Lenkov/Kurtzmann/Orci) to bring you these exclusive "previews." ;)

Added: Thursday 14 October 2010 10:10:41 PDT


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Your old pal Jerry-baby got nuthin' against the Yanks, Big Chick. Dig? They were groovin' last year. Just this year ain't their scene. This year the Phils are gonna repeat their 2008 win. It's gonna happen. Ain't no other way about it, baby. And I ain't gassin' you, man. Noooo waaaaaay! But noooo waaaaaaaaaaaaay!!

Added: Thursday 14 October 2010 09:51:28 PDT


Submitted by: RobertScorpio
From: Hobart

Heather-Rose Ryan

I couldn't have put it better myself. Great post...

Rob

Added: Thursday 14 October 2010 09:27:57 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Elaine, I don't think the new series is a "travesty", but it is indeed significantly different from the original. Since it's using the original series more as inspiration than as a strict template, I find it's best appreciated on those terms. As fan fiction it's quite good.

KDMcG, there was that Asian guy in the pilot episode. He's coming back, I hear.

Another observation about the latest ep: the basketball scene was silly and pointless. I wonder if it had been originally written for Scott Caan and then rewritten to accommodate his knee injury.

Added: Thursday 14 October 2010 07:55:06 PDT


Submitted by: Elaine
From: Watertown, MA

Mr. Mike: RE: Second season opener, "Powa"

What a hoot! Enjoyed it thoroughly....I've said it before, I'll say it again, what are you smoking these days? Can I have some of that? What fun! Clearly, you are a master of spoof-dom. West Palm Beach Nine-O was pretty good, too, although I fear the sharks are still getting a bad rep. By the way, did you know that sharks don't actually get indigestion? They can eat and digest just about anything, although some things take much longer to be digested (bottles, cans, people). More trivial trivia...sharks don't get cancer, either and they can withstand levels of radiation that would fry other living creatures. Colleague of mine from Brookhaven National Lab dosed lemon sharks with up to 30,000 rads and never even caused a lesion on their skin! So, unless we extirpate them by hunting them to extinction,(A matter of mutual concern), they'll be around long after we've blown ourselves to Kingdom Come (Bomb, Bomb, Whose Got the Bomb?). Here's a playful challenge for the website. Let's see who can write a paragraph or two using as many of the original titles from the classic series...paragraph must make some sense and a title can only be used once. Anybody interestsed?

Added: Thursday 14 October 2010 07:40:46 PDT


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Chicago

Big Chicken...Sorry about that. Shouldn't have said the original Steve McGarrett. Meant the new Steve McGarret. Good catch.

Added: Thursday 14 October 2010 07:18:20 PDT


Submitted by: Elaine
From: Watertown, MA

Mr. Scorpio -

Of course the original HFO was an action/adventure show! And it was far from perfect! I still laugh at the continuity glitches and some of the plots were ridiculous, but after 10 seasons the well was running dry for good scripts(The been there, done that syndrome).But back in the 70's, being an action show didn't preclude having a realistic, well-written plot, good acting or resolution at the close. There was suspense, drama, humor, all the elements that made for a good hour-long escape. Today we seem to have a different formula for action/adventure; lots of high-tech CGI, gun battles/explosions, video-game type sequences etc. I'm not saying that any of this is bad. If it's what people want, so be it. Video games are very successful, after all! But I grew up watching classic police TV dramas such as Five-O, Hill Street Blues; others like Harry-O and the Rockford Files,Perry Mason, the Bold Ones...the list is endless. By calling this reboot Hawaii Five-O and having the same "cast of characters", many of us hoped that there would be some similarities to the original show, given its iconic nature, with modernizations to bring it into the 21st century. And of course, it's nothing like the original. As a fan of the classic series, I have every right to be chapped that these producers have taken such liberties with the characters I grew up with, know and love! If they hadn't insisted on calling this show Hawaii Five-O, I would have no problem with it, because then it would be like every other show on TV today...Dig? So, no, I won't continue to support this travesty by watching it; I tried to give it a chance but feel betrayed and disappointed. I'll confine my future posts to discussions of the classic series. And just to set the record straight, I do happen to like Alex O'Loughlin - I loved him in Moonlight and was sorry that series was cancelled. He was a much better vampire/detective than a Steve McGarrett...Aloha!

Added: Thursday 14 October 2010 07:06:46 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Thanks, Maxine! Great idea about pinpointing the "Naked City" locations. They filmed all over NYC and there are no records of the locations left (that I could find, anyway) but some places are still recognizable.

Often they filmed without a permit or police supervision as the scripts were usually late and they didn't know what locations they'd require until the last minute.

I've been thinking about putting the book on a website, as you suggest- it would reach more people. Unfortunately the show is "lost", in a way- some episodes were released on DVD but are now out of print.

Added: Thursday 14 October 2010 05:37:11 PDT


Submitted by: KDMCG
From: where, indeed?

Granted, this weeks episode had some Five-0 moments. When MCG visits th correctional facility he does a Jack Lord as he walks and scans the facility.

Some of the dialog at HQ was very reminiscent of 1.0, however I just don't find the characters likeable enough. It may sound callous but I don't care too much about the mystery regarding his father whether we unravel it or not.

As I have said before,they should have named this show Taskforce Hawai'i or something else rather than Five-0;it is not the worse show on TV. As for the actors, why are the antagonists all american americans so far? Get James Hong, Sammo Hung et. al-next up we have Kevin Sorbo-what gives?

I will watch until the end but the constant moving camera angles make me nauseous and AOL's acting at times makes me laugh, although MCG telling Danny to shut up was great and about time too as the banter is growing stale. Grace as Kono is a riot and I feel she is wasted.

Next MCG in bed another homage to the original-not!!

Added: Thursday 14 October 2010 04:44:19 PDT


Submitted by: Sylvia
From: Season 13 fandom ;)

Mr. Mike, you may have uncovered possibly the worst television shows ever..... :!rock: I thought "You Don't See Many Pirates These Days...." (Sorry; couldn't resist...... :D )

Added: Thursday 14 October 2010 03:50:14 PDT


Submitted by: Steven
From: Miami

I am among the anointed! :!cool: Why? Bescause I now have Karen Rhodes' "Booking Five-O"! I'm quite pleased with it and recommend her book without hesitation.

Heresy Dept: My wife likes Truck more than she does Kono!!! :!surprised:

Added: Thursday 14 October 2010 03:11:01 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The bad news: Five-O will be cancelled ... in the second season (see the second show):

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/2010-log2.htm

The good news ... it will almost immediately be back on the air. ;)

I have just tracked down another 13th season show from the original Five-O which reunites two classic villains: Doyle Weston and Big Chicken. Coming soon...

Added: Wednesday 13 October 2010 22:22:19 PDT


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Time and Memories

Barbara, actually the original Steve McGarrett is played by a cat named Jack Lord. Apparently there was an earlier version of Hawaii Five-O that he starred in. By all accounts, I heard it was pretty good.

But will all this rebootin n’ remakin, I guess that - as David St. Hubbins would say - Alec Oh & Jimmy Caan Junior are the “The New Originals"

Added: Wednesday 13 October 2010 21:04:50 PDT


Submitted by: Dave Clark
From: Southern California

Mike: Although you are my age, you sound like an old school guy, Relax on the music. I loved the use of the Stones Gimme Shelter in episode 4 and you didnot eben mention it in your review.

Added: Wednesday 13 October 2010 21:03:17 PDT


Submitted by: Sylvia
Classic TV land

You can hear the Governor say the state motto to Steve in both Hawaiian and English in "The Clock Struck Twelve," one of the Season 5 episodes in the original series. The motto is added to the letters sent to the Governor's office, threatening to blow up the old courthouse. One of my favorite Season 5 episodes......

Added: Wednesday 13 October 2010 20:24:36 PDT


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: 4 Baseball Diamonds and a Heart

Hey RingFire - Philly gots some formidable arms, Big Chick must admit. Since Big Chick grew up in the Big Apple, he gonna stick with the Yanks. But, hey, if Jerry Parks says Phillies then that just may be the ticket, bay-beeee

Added: Wednesday 13 October 2010 19:17:54 PDT


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Chicago

"UA MAU KE EA O KA 'AINA I KA PONO" - State motto of Hawaii.

Thanks for the info, Mr. Mike.

Added: Wednesday 13 October 2010 18:41:30 PDT


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Chicago

Lynne (and some others): The original Steve McGarrett is played by Alex O'Loughlin. His father, John, was killed in the pilot episode.

I get the impression that there are some folks out there who are still under the impresion that the lead character is the son of Steve McGarrett. This was a scenario that was proposed about 3 years ago by Ed Bernero but was not used by CBS.

Added: Wednesday 13 October 2010 18:39:30 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

In the new version, if you saw the pilot, Steve's father is John McGarrett.

Added: Wednesday 13 October 2010 17:17:12 PDT


Submitted by: Lynne
From: Massachusetts

Just wondering how come no one picked up on the fact that in the episode that aired 10/11/10 the headstone for McGarrett's father states "John McGarrett" yet his name in all the episodes was "Steve". Am I the only one that saw it?

Added: Wednesday 13 October 2010 16:58:55 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

This is the state motto of Hawaii.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_of_Hawaii#Motto_Design

Added: Wednesday 13 October 2010 16:46:59 PDT


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Chicago

Just rewatched episode #4. At about 25 minutes into the show I caught the Five-O emblem on the floor at the entrance to the Five-O offices. It reads: "Special Investigations - 1959 - FIVE-O - State of Hawaii." And then across the bottom it says the following: "UA MAU KE EA O KA 'AINA I KA PONO" I thought maybe it might mean what Chin said at the end of episode #1 when he said "No task is too big when done together" or something like that. But not sure. Does anyone know what it means??

Added: Wednesday 13 October 2010 15:27:04 PDT


Submitted by: Branden
From: Indiana

Wow, who evers page this is seems to be such a self acclaimed critic who doesn't know the difference between a Mustang and a Camaro....keep up the good waste of time work. Who gives a crap what you think.

Added: Wednesday 13 October 2010 15:16:28 PDT


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Pittsburgh

Mr. Mike, I just read the latest addition to the 2.1 season 2 episode summaries. I agree that the Captain Stubing ep is worthy of 4 stars! Those sharks must have had giant bellyaches from all that good eating. Of course, I'm sure thay didn't enjoy foaming at the mouth afterwards from all that soap! But how did that ep make it past the censors? Maybe they just averted their eyes during the shower scenes!

Added: Wednesday 13 October 2010 13:15:29 PDT


Submitted by: bob rose
From: bridgewater

just watched Didn't we meet at murder. Joanne Barnes was great in this clever episode...

Added: Wednesday 13 October 2010 13:00:12 PDT


Submitted by: Maxine
From: Brooklyn

Heather, I'd read your book! Being a New Yorker, it's an amusing diversion to watch Naked City and try to identify the various street locations. It ain't easy, considering how utterly different NYC 1962 was from NYC today. It would be amazing to see an episode guide of some kind that pinpointed all those spots. And by the way, if you don't self-publish, why not put your research online on a site like this one...

Added: Wednesday 13 October 2010 12:12:39 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I am told that a couple more "Season 2" episodes for the new Five-O have been uncovered ... they will be revealed soon. Be there!

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/2010-log2.htm

Added: Wednesday 13 October 2010 12:06:16 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Hey Rick, have you ever seen "Naked City"?

Added: Wednesday 13 October 2010 11:24:12 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

RobertScorpio, I would go so far as saying that the "action/adventure" 007-ish episodes are what H50 did best. I certainly didn't watch it for Wambaugh-like police procedurals or murder mysteries a la "Murder She Wrote"!

Added: Wednesday 13 October 2010 11:18:13 PDT


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

Heather, I'm not confused about anything. But it appears you are. As they say... Look it up.

Added: Wednesday 13 October 2010 11:15:22 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Maxine, I seem to be the only other person posting who has seen "Naked City". I'm such a big fan of the show that I wrote a book about it based on interviews with Paul Burke and many of the other people involved with the show. Sadly, no suitable publisher has been found- no market for it, supposedly, because so few people remember the series. So I'll be publishing it myself one of these days.

The show isn't much like H50, except for the location-shooting aspect. And Leonard Freeman didn't have much to do with it. I think he's often confused with Herbert B. Leonard, who was its "showrunner" (to use today's term).

Added: Wednesday 13 October 2010 11:12:01 PDT


Submitted by: RobertScorpio
From: San Diego

Oh Elaine...

"there were so many good things about the original series that could have been used even today to modernize the plots and characters, like NOT throwing the baby out with the bath water! Okay, so the producers believe that everyone wants to have an action-adventure series every week. Well, not all of the viewers want that...but the demographic group that selected (18-49 age), seems to be the only thing they care about. I've said it before. Give me (baby boomer that I am), a decent crime/caper (HERE IS THE BEST PART) plot to solve with method acting from the characters and a resolution that doesn't defy believability "

A resolution that doesn't defy believablility? Sometimes I have to wonder what show some of you think you were watching in the 70s, but many of the old show's plots take dives off the deep end of reality, and belly flopped; (and no Mike/Big Chicken, they didn't only come from the 12th season)

And some of us DO want action/adventure shows, I know I do. If you dont, then watch RUBICON where maybe once a month something happens; like a door opens. But the old show was definately an 'action/adventure' show at times..even going to Hong Kong in very 007ish episodes.

Rob

Added: Wednesday 13 October 2010 10:12:09 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

More comments on the JL picture linked below, sent to me by a friend:

This is the original source image for the season 10 DVD box cover. They have Photoshopped quite extensively. They changed his hair color (made it darker), changed his eye color (!), made his face 'wider' (unless the artwork image is sized incorrectly -- everything seems kind of wide, or stretched; removed wrinkles, made other wrinkles less prominent, removed the dark bags from under his eyes, darkened his eyebrows...

Added: Wednesday 13 October 2010 09:27:04 PDT


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Sorry Big Chick bay-bee but Jerry Parks gotta bone to pick with you. No waaay the Yankees gonna beat the Phillies this year. Just ain't happening, man! Dig? Between Halladay, Oswalt, and Hamels on the mound there's simply noooo waaaaay, bay-bee... but nooooo WAAAAAYYYY... the Yankees gotta chance. Just ain't their scene this year, dig? And by the way, Philly and the Flyin' Hawaiian sure are proud to represent the original (never-rebooted) Hawaii - circa 1968. Without the Michael Bay yellow lens filters. I just can't dig that scene.

Added: Wednesday 13 October 2010 08:55:16 PDT


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

This... http://katmeyer.serverpro2.com/Photo_Gallery/jl_black.jpg ...appears to be the original JL photo used for season 10 box art with (at least) the following changes:

1. Image is rotated slightly clockwise. (to the right)

2. Bottom is cropped off.

3. Focus is sharpened.

4. Tie is colorized.

5. Hair is darkened.

6. Digital eye/face lift.

Added: Wednesday 13 October 2010 08:09:36 PDT


Submitted by: Elaine
From: Watertown, MA

RE: Comments by Karen Rhodes - on the new Hawaii Five-O:

Yeah, it's too bad the powers that be(Lenkov, Orci, Kurtzman & Co.) didn't tap Karen Rhodes for an "approach" to the new series. Because there were so many good things about the original series that could have been used even today to modernize the plots and characters, like NOT throwing the baby out with the bath water! Okay, so the producers believe that everyone wants to have an action-adventure series every week. Well, not all of the viewers want that...but the demographic group that selected (18-49 age), seems to be the only thing they care about. I've said it before. Give me (baby boomer that I am), a decent crime/caper plot to solve with method acting from the characters and a resolution that doesn't defy believability and this new show would have a solid following of HFO fans as well as new fans. Everyone knows that the original Five-O was not perfect...continuity glitches abounded...and some plots were just this side of incredulity....but the writing and acting was generally superb and carried the show over these bumps for 11 years (if you subtract the bad episodes, you get about 11 years worth of solid work). Thank God for Jack Lord's perfectionism in the absence of Len Freeman...it kept up the quality of the show... Now, we die-hard fans of the real Hawaii Five-O challenge you newbies to do as well...you have your chance to shine....so like the Nike slogan says, "Just Do It!"

Added: Wednesday 13 October 2010 07:41:02 PDT


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

Leonard Freeman was a Producer/Executive Producer on Naked City :!cool:

Added: Wednesday 13 October 2010 07:40:32 PDT


Submitted by: Maxine
From: Brooklyn

Someone way down the message board mentioned the show "Naked City" (1958-59 and 1960-1963). It's an interesting show to compare to H50. While H50 rightly gets credit for its beautiful location photography, Naked City was there first, doing some pretty gritty & sometimes striking location shooting in New York City. Also like H50 Naked City did a lot of quirky episodes with some very oddball crooks. One of Naked City's lead detetectives was played by Paul Burke who later appeared in H50 Season 3's episode The Gunrunner, and also in The Moroville Covenant, the penultimate H50 episode aired. Paul Burke's girlfriend in Naked City was played by none other than Nancy Malone, Steve McGarrett's seldom-mentioned kid sister.

Added: Wednesday 13 October 2010 07:30:50 PDT


Submitted by: Collin Freeman
From: Midway USA

Thanks for the synopsis of episode 4, Mr. Mike. I just finished reading it. I must say your anal-yses read much better than what I remember seeing on the screen.

Regarding the stories and acting of the new series, I happened to catch part of cop-show episode last night on ABC called "Detroit 1-8-7". Michael Imperioli from the Sopranos plays one of the leads. I have to say just from what I saw last night, that show blows the new Hawaii Five-0 out of the water. Here is a show that uses its setting (Detroit) effectively, has at least good (if not very good) writing, and believable acting. Seriously folks, we've come a long way since the original Hawaii Five-0. In the post-Hill Street Blues, Miami Vice, and CSI era, how can this show not be have a significantly better effort put into it? From what I've seen (1 episode + 1 minute), it looks to me more like a remake of Starsky and Hutch than Hawaii Five-0. Even if they had called it CSI:Hawaii and all allusions to the original series removed, I still wouldn't watch it.

Added: Wednesday 13 October 2010 06:48:07 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Pretty much all my favorite episodes of the original series are from the first and second seasons. My taste, of course.

To Boris: why would we care about the new show? Again, my perspective only, but I would say it's because we love the original show so much that we're happy to see any homage to it, and when we see even the slightest glimmers of the old show and its characters, it's heartwarming. In this latest episode, flawed as it is, I was moved to see elements of the original McG coming out for the first time. His caring for the "game show girl", and carrying it through to the reconciliation with the thief boyfriend, was old-style.

Also, the heli-chase-jungle-stuff was fun - however improbable :)

Added: Wednesday 13 October 2010 00:48:42 PDT


Submitted by: JulieS
From: Australia

Back in 1989, a UK novelty group, Jive Bunny and the Mastermixers had a big hit "That's What I Like" which had samples of a number of rock 'n' roll songs from the 60s. These songs were bookend by the theme from "Hawaii Five-0". I don't know if this ever came out in the USA but it was number 1 here in Australia and the UK.

The version of the theme on this one uses electric drums...

http://bit.ly/an00yR

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 23:55:03 PDT


Submitted by: JulieS
From: Australia

"Can you give me some scoop about Danno on Hawaii Five-0?

Response: Tired of his ex-wife's angry phone calls? Get ready to meet her! The show is looking for a British actress to play the role, but don't worry, she'll still be plenty angry. In fact, she's livid when Danny and McGarrett show up to use her home as a command center. Over the course of the stakeout, the team will realize that the tension between Danno and his ex is sexual."

Hands up those who didn't see this coming???

Why can't they just have two people who are divorced have a platonic (i.e. non-romantic, non-sexual) relationship? This is one of the most over-used plot devices on TV today. :!yawn:

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 23:03:55 PDT


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: No Bottles, No Cans, No Reboots

Scorp says “Those early episodes of FIVEO's first season are stiff, and not nearly as good as the seasons to come.” and “What we have here is a heavy dose of looking at that old show with rose tinted glasses.

Hey Rob, for the Chicken there ain’t no “old show,” man. There’s Hawaii Five-O and then there’s some show that Les Moonves, Lenkov and Kurtzman wanna pass off as Hawaii Five-O, less call that the 5 Zero.

So I’ll rephrase the question - are you serious man? I only ask cause that’s what Chicken was thinkin when he seen this reboot pilot.

Watchin the pilot, Chicken be Like: Central - Patch me through to Les Moonves….

Les, Big Chicken Here....are you serious, man? This is what you passin off as Hawaii Five-O? Mr. Moonves, sir, certainly you be putting the Chicken on, no?

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 22:47:24 PDT


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Chicago

This blurb from TV Guide today

Can you give me some scoop about Danno on Hawaii Five-0?

Response: Tired of his ex-wife's angry phone calls? Get ready to meet her! The show is looking for a British actress to play the role, but don't worry, she'll still be plenty angry. In fact, she's livid when Danny and McGarrett show up to use her home as a command center. Over the course of the stakeout, the team will realize that the tension between Danno and his ex is sexual.

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 22:37:39 PDT


Submitted by: boris
From: spfld ma

I'm trying to figure out why someone would give a f*ck about the new show. Hawaii Five-0 has give us so much entertainment and meaning, it makes a lot of sense there would be allegiance to it, and with that maybe even distrust in those of us who smell a rat (Charter for Death) all to keenly.

When I like something, I'm always kind of glad when other people don't like it. Ensures I have a good seat and few distractions.

Too bad Cliff Lee can't pitch every night. But I'm still picking Texas.

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 21:53:37 PDT


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

"Those early episodes of FIVEO's first season are stiff, and not nearly as good as the seasons to come."

...you gotta get off the pipe, brah.

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 21:22:34 PDT


Submitted by: RobertScorpio
From: San Diego

I am serious BIG CHICKEN. Those early episodes of FIVEO's first season are stiff, and not nearly as good as the seasons to come. And, in terms of character, they can't even touch this new show in what we know about them. Now, it is clear you favor that part of the old show, how it wasn't about their lives or what made them who they are. But I, and many others, do prefer more character based plots.

What we have here is a heavy dose of looking at that old show with rose tinted glasses, and that's okay. It is to be expected from long time fans. I saw it with the older STAR TREK fans when that new movie came out last year; they butchered it. I loved that new movie because, like FIVEO, it wasn't just a cookie-cutter remake which would have never worked and would have been laughed off the screen by the same people who are laughing at this one.

Its the human condition at work here; I understand it. I just don't agree with it.

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 21:16:08 PDT


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: Ain't No Big Ting

"...get a patch through back to reality", damn, i can't keep up with that. it's too good. NO BOTTLES, NO CANS, NO 'BOOTS!!

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 21:08:51 PDT


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Reboot of Otto's Reboot this...

Otto, man, thanks for being the voice of reason, brudda. Big Chick gonna listen and take it easy. Hey, watch out for that approaching garbage truck you mentioned, could be headin for Johnny Oporta’s Incinerator.

Che, that’s my Corpus delicti!

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 19:54:29 PDT


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Debunkin outrageous, crazed pronouncements

Scorpio says “The first three non-pilot episodes of the new Five-Zero are no better or worse than the original Five-O. And the acting on the first four episodes of the new show is indeed better than the acting on the first four episodes of the old show.”

Chicken sez: Better call Central and get a Patch Through back to reality, brudda.

Rob, sounds like you been watchin the new show with David Stone. Watch out, man, remember what happened to Edie Hastings.

I mean you can’t – absolutely cannot – be serious. C’mon now :o

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 19:51:58 PDT


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: Reboot this...

Big Chick you're killing me... too funny. It looks like we're being called diaper babies again!!! I don't recall any griping on our part. There's no law that says we gotta buy the 'boot, let alone even bother with it!!! Oh, where's Milton Selzer, he's my only contact for a fix, now that you're coolin' yer heels in THE BOX!

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 19:50:20 PDT


Submitted by: Colby
From: Reidsville, NC USA

Regarding Monday's episode...another good one in my opinion. The music improved very slightly, with the Rolling Stones over the opening sequence being the highlight. It looks like the location shooting is getting more substantial as well, with the final scene at the Punchbowl particularly appealing

I don't think anybody caught it (or maybe someone did and I'm too lazy to pick it out of prior guestbook entries) but behind the desk in McGarrett's office, there is a wooden model of a clipper ship in a glass case. I seem to recall Jack Lord's McGarrett having a similar model in his office that was seen quite often. Another little nod to the original series, I'm sure.

I also noticed McGarrett's current office is laid out quite similarly to the original, with the desk caddy-cornered and a sofa to its left side by a window. Too bad they couldn't work the balcony in so Alex could have a place to reflect while working the late night hours. ;)

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 19:38:53 PDT


Submitted by: Big Chicken (Original Recipe, Never rebooted)
From: Keeping it Real withThe Real Hawaii Five-O

Hey Original Real:

You tell Shane the Phillies goin down, man, jus’ like the off-brand Five-0

Lolo say Bye-Bye

And the Big Chick’ sez: Go Yankees!!:p

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 18:47:50 PDT


Submitted by: Dalen Quaice
From: Burbank, CA, USA

About McGarrett's truck. I just reviewed the footage from Ep.4 (that would be 5:37 @ the prison and 39:39 @ cemetery). The truck is the same. It looks darker at the cemetery because the trees over to the left of the shot are casting a shadow and making it look black. The license plate is G8V-349. It is an Imperial Blue Metallic 4x4 Z71 Crew Cab Chevrolet Silverado pickup in both cases.

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 17:49:48 PDT


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: United Airlines

OK, Keeping It Real. I see your point. At first i thought you were implying... well, you know what i mean, and now i know what you meant!

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 17:36:13 PDT


Submitted by: Dalen Quaice
From: Burbank, CA, USA

I think the truck is supposed to be the same (that is, McGarrett's truck), but I have a feeling the scenes were shot at different times so possibly the same truck was not available? I'll have to closely look at the scene again as it was fleeting.

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 17:16:45 PDT


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Chicago

Thanks, Dalen. So the truck he had when he left his sister in it at the crime scene was the same one he had at the cemetary? It looked darker but there was one or two frames where it looked like maybe it was blue but it was in the shade which made it look darker, I guess.

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 17:11:41 PDT


Submitted by: Dalen Quaice
From: Burbank, CA, USA

Regarding the question about the cars: McGarrett drives a Imperial Blue Metallic 4x4 Z71 Crew Cab Chevrolet Silverado pickup, Danno drives a Silver Chevrolet Camaro, Kono drives a Red Chevrolet Malibu, and Chin Ho drives a motorcycle. In the pilot Danno drove a Mustang, but Chevrolet is now providing cars for the series so it was changed to a Camaro.

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 17:05:13 PDT


Submitted by: Steven
From: Miami

Tonight I'll begin rewatching the tweflth season and writing my "Kimocentric" view of the episodes where William Smith "struts his stuff." I'm probably the only one who took Mr. Mike up on his offer to watch S12...

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 17:00:04 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Why no, Original Keeping it Real, I too am a fan of the old show who is enjoying the new show. It's not the same, of course, but then what is?

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 16:45:41 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

McG's sis is on the skanky side. Certainly no Nancy Malone. She reminds me of all those wayward-hippie girls from the old show. I suspect she's gonna be trouble. Was that a flicker of interest I saw from Danno?

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 16:42:05 PDT


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Chicago

Okay.. Moving on here. I have a question. And please understand that my knowledge of cars is very limited. But I would like to know which vehicle is McGarrett's. I've seen Danny driving a silver car. Then later I saw McGarrett also driving a silver car. In the early part of yesterday's episode he was driving a medium-colored blue truck but at the end when he drove up to the cemetary, the color looked dark blue or black. Then, of course, when he drove to the casino last week he had an expensive car which I assume was "borrowed" for appearances because they were undercover. Just can't figure out which vehicle is supposed to be his. Any help??

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 16:41:22 PDT


Submitted by: The Original "Keeping it Real"
From: Philadelphia

So, I guess I'm the only fan of the original show that isn't a whiny little cry baby with a full diaper? "Oh, the re-did Five-0...sacrilege!"

Face it chumps, the new show rocks and its a ratings success. It may not last 10 seasons...but then again, the original season 10 cast was horrible.

Shane Victorino says "Aloha" :!devil:

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 16:36:27 PDT


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Chicago

KIR: "It is frankly getting boring."

Amen! Glad you finally see that. That's a FACT.

Now can we move on, please???

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 16:19:15 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

"I am not going to go on and on trying to defend what is so obvious. It is frankly getting boring."

Hear, hear! (In addition to what I said earlier...)

Not only is it boring but becoming incomprehensible, especially all the mathematical mumbo-jumbo (this is NOT an invitation for anyone to try and explain it ... unless you want to have me limit the length of postings to a Twitter-like length (146 characters)). :!thinking:

How about discussing something else to do with episode #4, and leave the ratings B.S. for later, when one side or the other can say "I told you so"?

My own feelings are in the usual place -- http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/2010-log1.htm

Tell me I am full of it! :!sweating:

Be careful, my comments are subject to "instant revisionism." ;)

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 16:14:18 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Victor:

I am sorry. Where does it say it is a CBS press release? I just see "press release."

TVBTN is not going to post up inaccurate information for any network. CBS has formed a press release the announces these facts, but these are facts. The ratings are what they are. No one can make them up.

Sheesh! Talk about ignoring the facts.

Even CBS can't lie. They can't spin it. And they don't. TVBTN are the ones that explain the drop in ratings ACROSS THE BOARD.

If you refuse to look at the facts, it is your choice. Fortunately, it won't affect the results whether you believe them or not.

I have laid out the facts as they are. I am not going to go on and on trying to defend what is so obvious. It is frankly getting boring.

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 16:05:45 PDT


Submitted by: RobertScorpio
From: San Diego

Some of the "plot contrivance" complaints against the new show are getting laughable, especially when the original show suffered from them from time to time, and not only in the later seasons.

Look at the classic episode NINE DRAGONS. McGarrett goes through all this trouble to secure the toxin, and yet not a half hour later, Wofat comes right through the airport and on to the campus at a time when security is at a heightened level. That is a plot contrivance of epic size, yet, it doesn't ruin the fact it is a fun episode.

And Mike really helps the situation since many of his reviews point out these random acts of chance.

So, before we start pointing fingers at the new show, lets not pretend it didn't happen on the old show. It did.

Rob

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 15:59:45 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Dalen:

For the last time, CBS has nothing to do with TV by the numbers. TV by the numbers is a site dedicated to the sole purpose of showing the ratings and explaining/interpreting them. THEY are the ones that put the new numbers putting H50 back on top and THEY are the ones that explained why all the ratings were down across the board on Monday night.

I have heard of people burying their heads in the sand but facts are facts. If you choose to ignore them then there is nothing anyone can do.

Parroting Dalen when his facts aren't accurate because you like the sound of saying "CBS's spin on things", is silly.

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 15:56:21 PDT


Submitted by: Victor
From: Numbers

KIR, You are the one that need to check again, my friend. The article posted in TVBTN is not neutral at all, it is a CBS press release.Read it again,

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via press release:

“HAWAII FIVE-0″ WINNING STREAK CONTINUES

According to Updated National Ratings, the #1 New Show of the Season Won Its Time Period in Viewers and Key Demographics for the Fourth Straight Week

HAWAII FIVE-0, the #1 new show of the season, won its time period in viewers and key demographics for the fourth consecutive week, according to updated Nielsen live plus same day ratings for Monday, Oct. 11.

HAWAII FIVE-0 was first in viewers (10.70m), adults 25-54 (4.1/10) and adults 18-49 (3.1/08). HAWAII FIVE-0 won its time slot every week this season in viewers, adults 25-54 and adults 18-49.

CBS Research projects HAWAII FIVE-0 will gain an additional 2.67 million viewers and a full rating point in adults 18-49 when 7-day playback is included.

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And about Castle, my information is right, you are the one that is wrong,

“Castle” (10:01-11:00 p.m.)

Standing as Monday’s only network program to grow week-to-week among young adults, ABC’s “Castle” turned in its most-competitive performance ever against CBS’ high-profile reboot, “Hawaii Five-0,” in both Total Viewers (10.66 million vs. 10.70 million) and Adults 18-49 (2.7/8 vs. 3.1/8). In addition, “Castle” outperformed the CBS drama for the first time among Adults 18-34 (+18% – 2.0/6 vs. 1.7/5).

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H50 won in Adults 18-49. BUT Castle won in Adults 18-34, the younger crowd.

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So my information is correct.STOP treating people that post what you don't like as idiots. That is so rude.

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 15:50:09 PDT


Submitted by: Dalen Quaice
From: Burbank, CA, USA

Geez, I wish you guys would STFU about the ratings already! :D

Monday "Finals" are out:

Hawaii Five-0 (59 minutes)

- 10.699 million viewers

- 6.9/11 HH

- 3.1/8 A18-49

They are doomed... may get cancelled in 6 episodes (as I first predicted) if this continues!:!mad:

LOL - Love the CBS spin on it! ;)

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 15:45:56 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Oh, and for those that think I "made up" the Favre effect:

From TV By The Numbers:

http://bit.ly/d7f1x3

Call it ‘The Favre Effect’, Castle was adjusted down 0.5 with adults 18-49 to a 2.7 rating,

Also:

http://bit.ly/b9qX39

The Hollywood Reporter:

UPDATED: More broadcast ratings slippage Monday night as entertainment programs faced ESPN's drama-filled Vikings vs. Jets NFL game and TBS' baseball playoffs.

"Hawaii Five-0" (10.7 million, 3.1) fell 11% to rank second for the first time ever in the 10 p.m. hour, though the tropics drama should be back on top when the afternoon national ratings are released.

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 15:33:56 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Victor: TV by the numbers is NOT CBS. Anything but!!!LOL

"And ABC’s Castle Beats CBS’ “Hawaii Five-0” in Adults 18-34 for the First Time"

Your numbers are from the morning and inaccurate. Check again, my friend. They always put up preliminary stats and then update them for accuracy in the afternoon.

You are behind the times. Also, read all I posted before you post your numbers. The drop was across the board and explained. Read my post and update.

Here is the TV by the numbers site again, which is NEUTRAL and well respected.

http://bit.ly/bcXUwg

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 15:25:10 PDT


Submitted by: Sylvia
From: Classic TV Land

Re: "Blue Bloods" location: If they're on location, then they might need a better cinematographer.....

Re: Kam Fong: It's different strokes for different folks, but what was nice about Kam Fong was that he'd been a real HPD cop - He LOOKED like a cop - and the episodes that did open up on the character of Chin showcased his strong family connection, and in the case of Season 5's "The Jinn Who Clears the Way," his Chinese heritage.

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 15:23:21 PDT


Submitted by: Victor
From: Numbers

KIR, that is a CBS press release, trying to control the damage . I cannot believe they are happy with the numbers.

The remake is losing viewers each week. Again yesterday, but this time a BIG drop.

9/20/10 – Viewers: 14.20 million; A18-49: 3.9

9/27/10 – Viewers: 12.72 million; A18-49: 3.6

10/04/10 – Viewers: 12.24 million; A18-49: 3.5

10/11/10 - Viewers: 10.69 million; A18-49: 3.1

And ABC’s Castle Beats CBS’ “Hawaii Five-0” in Adults 18-34 for the First Time.

Seems ,Hawaii 5-0 isn't that appealing to younger adults as CBS wanted.

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 15:16:46 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

OK. Your fault, Mike. You brought up the losing viewers. So here comes the full story:

TV by the numbers:Updated with the more accurate results in the afternoon:

http://bit.ly/bcXUwg

“HAWAII FIVE-0″ WINNING STREAK CONTINUES

According to Updated National Ratings, the #1 New Show of the Season Won Its Time Period in Viewers and Key Demographics for the Fourth Straight Week

HAWAII FIVE-0, the #1 new show of the season, won its time period in viewers and key demographics for the fourth consecutive week, according to updated Nielsen live plus same day ratings for Monday, Oct. 11.

HAWAII FIVE-0 was first in viewers (10.70m), adults 25-54 (4.1/10) and adults 18-49 (3.1/08). HAWAII FIVE-0 won its time slot every week this season in viewers, adults 25-54 and adults 18-49.

CBS Research projects HAWAII FIVE-0 will gain an additional 2.67 million viewers and a full rating point in adults 18-49 when 7-day playback is included.

They call the drop in number of viewers (which was across the board) the Favre effect. For those who don't know, Favre is the quarterback of Minnesota and is immersed in a scandal this week. So more viewers tuned into the football game because of it. Add the baseball playoffs and you have viewership dropping on all the shows. Still, H50 did what it had to do.

"Blue Bloods" is filmed in and around NYC or in its Brooklyn studio. Just passed by their set on Park and 81st earlier today.

Otto:

So much for you saying, "I get the feeling it's a doctoring of California."

Maybe people see what they want to see. If you want Hawaii represented wrongly in the new show,you will find ways to see that.

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 15:04:58 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Oh, and I thought the bad guy was excellent. Thoroughly skeevy. (if that's how it's spelled)

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 15:04:14 PDT


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: My heart is in Hawai`i

Ten minutes is no excuse. Show them speeding past the Dillingham Fountain or the Aloha Tower. Show the scenery as they drive out the Kalaniana`ole Highway, arguing. They're driving there. Show it!!!

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 15:00:13 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

H50 1.0 - actually, I've seen more views of Hawaii in the first few episodes of this new show than I did in the entire first season of the old show.

I do think they should use more local actors, but that's probably on the way.

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 14:58:35 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Finally saw the latest episode (there's no TV where I'm staying). It's not bad.

Oddly enough, the Rolling Stones song, which is one of my favorites and nicely ominous, didn't add much.

The constantly whirling camera was annoying, especially in the first half.

Fine action and suspense in second half.

AOL's McG is coming into his own as a character. Excellent steely-eyed glare paired with compassion. Cool! I like it!!

Still no mention of the darn toolbox, though.

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 14:56:00 PDT


Submitted by: RobertScorpio
From: San Diego

Ummm..yes I am saying that the acting on the first four episodes of the new show is indeed better than the acting on the first four episodes of the old show; accept for Jack Lord.

Once you take Jack out of the equation, then yes, I think Caan's Danno, at this point of the series, is far more developed than James. I think Caan, as of the first four episodes, has done a better job simply because he has more to do than James. I think James McCarthur, based on his comments about the show, would agree. And he would know, don't you think???

And as for ZULU and KAM FONG? Yes, I do indeed think that at this point, four episodes in, DDK and Grace Park have done better acting. And again, its because they are being given more to do than either KAM or ZULU.

The first three non-pilot episodes of new FIVEO are no better or worse than the original show. That is what I am saying. I wouldn't expect most long times fans to agree, but oh well.

Rob

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 14:45:39 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Note the name of the bad guy in #4: Walton Dawkins ... very similar to Walton Goggins, who has played intense characters in Justified and The Shield. One of his fellow cops in the latter was played by Alex O'Loughlin.

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 14:42:13 PDT


Submitted by: Big City Gal
From: NYC

"To follow up on what Otto said regarding New York: A current example may be "Blue Bloods." New York scenes are filmed, but I get the feeling it's a doctoring of California."

"Blue Bloods" is filmed in and around NYC or in its Brooklyn studio. Just passed by their set on Park and 81st earlier today.

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 14:32:09 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Good news and bad news?

Most DVR Users Ever Say “Aloha” to Hawaii Five-0

http://www.tvovermind.com/cbs/hawaii-five-o/most-dvr-users-saying-aloha-hawaii-five-0/34174

Hawaii Five-0 Rapidly Losing Viewers

http://www.studiobriefing.net/2010/10/hawaii-five-0-rapidly-losing-viewers/

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 14:27:18 PDT


Submitted by: Sylvia
From: The place where classic TV rules

To follow up on what Otto said regarding New York: A current example may be the other new (or maybe the only new, since Five-O is, well.....) successful CBS police drama "Blue Bloods." New York scenes are filmed, but I get the feeling it's a doctoring of California.

That's why the original "Law & Order" was so appreciated, because it was filmed 100% in NY and used local everything - and looked it. I recently re-watched some early episodes of Kojak, when creator Abby Mann was still involved, and it looks the same way: Gritty, stark - the way New York looked back in the early 70s.

With the original "Five-O" and "Magnum, P.I.," one got a genuine sense of the Hawaii of those times. If you're going to shoot there, use the atmosphere.

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 14:21:11 PDT


Submitted by: Collin Freeman
From: Heartland

Mr. Mike:

Thanks for posting those comments from Karen Rhodes. I (deliberately) missed episodes 2 and 3, but I came home last night and my wife had episode 4 on the tube, so I decided to watch and see if anything had changed. I walked in on McGarrett (AOL) playing hoops with some prison inmates, and proving that white men from Australia can jump after all. Uh-huh. "Honey, I'm going to go change clothes and take a shower. Let me know when it's over."

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 14:16:59 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

I need to remind everyone that episodes nowadays are around 10 minutes (I believe)shorter than back in the 70's. That is asking a lot. Tell the same amount of story with 10 minutes less airtime.

Oh, yeah. But have the same amount of Hawaii culture included, also.

Think about it.

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 13:44:52 PDT


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: My heart is in Hawai`i

Re: Real's comment, "As I mentioned earlier, it is not a documentary on Hawaiian life. They are not here to teach us about Hawaii." - - - Not good enough, Real. If you don't care about Hawai`i and the Hawaiian people, why not just create a fictitious location. The soap operas like to use "Springfield." There's one in every state (more or less).

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 13:40:42 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Otto, they have been trying to do just that.There are tidbits throughout the show that address that. I am just saying that right now they have to capture a steady audience with their storytelling. I think it is asking a lot for them to get everything Hawaii down pat in four episodes. I would even go so far as to say the whole first season.

If they get a second season pickup they can have more breathing room for more culture. But like I said, they have given us tidbits for now.

Thank you for saying you haven't actually watched the new show. I appreciate your honesty, Otto. That is being fair.

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 13:33:26 PDT


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: Diamond Head

To Keeping It Real: I haven't seen the new show, so i can't comment on it, but having lived in New York City for 23 years, i can say that 90% of the cop-dramas or other shows that 'take place' here feel very artificial, as though the creators are not actually a part of the real New York, probably sequestering themselves in slick Tribeca lofts and studio offices.

I don't think it's wise to use your setting simply as a background for a self-contained story. Our environment is not separable from the stories of our lives, our environment informs more than we may notice. And in the case of Hawai'i, to use it as a mere backdrop would be a shame indeed. The original series tried hard to tie itself to the land and people. Not having been to Hawaii, i can't judge their success with that, but i do believe they tried.

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 13:15:43 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

H50 1.0 FOREVER:

"He can teach you more about Hawai`i and its people in four minutes than anyone has learned from the new show in four episodes."

As I mentioned earlier, it is not a documentary on Hawaiian life. They are not here to teach us about Hawaii.Hawaii is the background for the show. They put in what they can but they have a story to tell. They try to mix Hawaiian scenery and other minor things and tell a story also.

I enjoy the Hawaiian tidbits but I come for the story. They will hopefully have time to involve more Hawaiian culture if they are on the air long enough.

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 12:44:22 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Was looking up some old versions of my WWW site, and came across these comments from Karen Rhodes, author of Booking Five-O, about what she wanted to see in a Five-O movie (which was being discussed at the time):

[K]eep intact the moral qualities of the original -- McGarrett's emphasis on personal and social responsibility; the theme of evil in paradise. ... Make it a good "people" story with lots of good plot complications. Make it "hot" and fast-moving, but don't feel like there has to be foul language or any of that stuff to make it good. What makes it good is a well-crafted story presented well. I hope the producers will not submit to the stupidity that is too rampant in Hollyweird and feel like they have to "dumb down" to attract an audience.

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 12:02:31 PDT


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: My heart is in Hawai`i

Re: Real's comment, "I think they make Hawaii look better than it is and I sure don't hear the Hawaiians complaining about the scenery shots." - - - You need to work up your courage to fly to Hawai`i and get to know the location and its people. Let us know when you're going, and we'll have Kimo meet your flight. He can teach you more about Hawai`i and its people in four minutes than anyone has learned from the new show in four episodes.

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 10:11:42 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

I am so glad to see people discussing the episodes and pointing out the good and the bad.

I remember what they have been telling us from day one and this is how I watch the show:

This is a romp in fantasy and not meant to be taken so seriously. Sure there are a lot of "what are the chances?" but so what? What are the chances of winning the lottery---yet someone always does.

So even if some of the situations are highly improbable they are possible. This is TV, aka, escapism.This is a fun ride. This is not a documentary on Hawaii. I think they make Hawaii look better than it is and I sure don't hear the Hawaiians complaining about the scenery shots.

I enjoyed and was surprised by McGarrett's GF. She played her role beautifully.

Steve won the basketball game because he broke the rules like Danno told him to and played dirty. I laughed when I read criticism of Alex's basketball skills. He is an actor so they do what they do in Hollywood---make him look good even if he isn't. So what?

I loved that they show Steve's tender side when he was there for the shot GF whom he had a hand in saving. He waits for her in the hospital and stays with her. Very nice touch.

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 09:53:30 PDT


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: Che Fong's kitchen

Ringfire: Too true m'man. FATHOM and TIGER are rip-roaring! It may be true that S-1 is not as sure-footed as later seasons, but that doesn't bother me one bit. I like that the team is so young looking, and the cinematography is more gritty and on-the-fly than in later seasons.

Chick: ha ha, always love your stance! But forget it; let these folks enjoy the thing. You tried it, and didn't like it. I didn't try it, because i smelled it, like standing downwind from an approaching garbage truck! (although i can understand your incredulity over the S-1 slam. I merely flinched a bit and gritted my teeth. I'm training myself!)

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 09:46:11 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Comment on the season 10 box artwork received by me in e-mail:

The Jack Lord image, which is from the same original image used on the Columbia House VHS tapes, looks heavily Photoshopped. In fact, when I compare the two images side-by-side, to me it looks like they tried to de-age JL, by removing wrinkles and bags under his eyes. Maybe they think that if they make him look younger, it will appeal more to fans of the new show. They've Photoshopped him a bit too much, to the point where it doesn't look like JL too much anymore.

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 09:19:28 PDT


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: My heart is in Hawai`i

Re: "I was also amused by the gimpy Danno on a cane, just like Papa Caan in the 1975 Sam Peckinpah movie, "The Killer Elite." - - - Didn't they tell us a couple of months ago that he was injured while filming but that it would be written into the storyline? I think so.

So glad last night's episode was better than previous ones. They still need to dial it back. Slow down the conversation / eliminate the yellow and green filters / show scenes of Hawai`i as it really is / SHOW THE HAWAIIAN PEOPLE AS THEY REALLY ARE (YES, I'M SCREAMING). Come on, people. Take the time to do it properly. If a story needs more time, split it into two episodes. Just play fair with us. We've been going to Hawai`i for more than 40 years. We know the lay of the land and resent being treated like we are going to believe an office building is a hospital and we don't know the difference between `Iolani Palace and the Ali`Iolani Hale or that the Ali`Iolani Hale doesn't have the large, arched windows you keep showing in the Five-0 offices. If Five-0 is in an old post office building, then show the old post office building. Sheesh!

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 09:16:48 PDT


Submitted by: Steven
From: Miami

"what are the chances that the US military can order up a satellite to take a picture of an ant taking a crap on a rock in the middle of the Gobi desert at a moment's notice?"

Better than some people may think."

Then use said technology to catch you-know-who already!

Agreed on Samurai. Even Mr. Mike raised his star rating for this one; it's in my top ten of season one, just for the music score that plays during that bird's eye view of McGarrett driving.

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 09:04:57 PDT


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

I also belive 'Samurai' is an excellent ep... a minority opinion around here. I'm not concerned with its political correctness, or lack of it.

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 08:59:22 PDT


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"And as I look at the original show’s first four episodes, other than Cocoon, they weren’t all that memorable either, in my humble opinion." - WHAAAAT??!! "Full Fathom Five", "Strangers in Our Own Land", and "Tiger By the Tail" are nothing short of spectacular!! And none of the recent guest stars even come close to holding a candle to the likes of Kevin McCarthy, Simon Oakland, Milton Selzer, Sal Mineo, Sam Melville, Harold J. Stone. Crazy talk, man, simply crazy!!! Even the less-than-stellar "Samurai" is head-and-shoulders above anything we've seen so far. In fact that one scene where McG chews out Danno ("Ok, I blew it!! I blew it!!) for letting the witness out of his sight is superior to anything we've seen in the 4 episodes combined.

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 08:55:07 PDT


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

"...what are the chances that the US military can order up a satellite to take a picture of an ant taking a crap on a rock in the middle of the Gobi desert at a moment's notice?"

Better than some people may think.

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 08:53:38 PDT


Submitted by: Steven
From: Miami

"...not to mention the basketball game in the "yard"(like an inmate would talk to the "fuzz" in front of the other cons...unrealistic at best"

Yeah, I was waiting for Mr. Double Life to "get the shiv" once he stopped ing to AOL.

I was also amused by the gimpy Danno on a cane, just like Papa Caan in the 1975 Sam Peckinpah movie, "The Killer Elite."

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 08:48:58 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Security issues of McGarrett phoning his GF aside, what are the chances that the US military can order up a satellite to take a picture of an ant taking a crap on a rock in the middle of the Gobi desert at a moment's notice? :!nerd:

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 08:48:17 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

http://promotions.mardenkane.com/cbs/marchingbandmania/

Above is the winning entry with University of Maryland playing the Five-O theme. Not only is Hawaii Five-O spelled out, but so is "Book 'em Danno"!

What is really amazing ... you can actually see this in Canada, unlike most of the other CBS-related Five-O videos.

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 08:45:16 PDT


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

"This sub plot with the former friend of the bad guy who ripped him off, then ends up dating this dame who is going to Hawaii after winning the million dollars was stupid. What are the chances of that happening?" ...reminded me of 'The Payoff' a little bit. (I said a little bit.)

The prison escape was kind of reminiscent also. Far fetched, yes. Lewis Avery Filer driving away in the telephone company truck?

And, for what it's worth, 3M 5200 caulk is a nuclear strength permanent adhesive.

KIR can take it from here.

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 08:42:54 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. MIke
From: Vancouver

"McGarrett, as a Seal, & having been supposedly raised in Hawaii should have known NOT to drink the water!"

I don't think that is the point. I'm sure that the not-from-the-tap water is OK to drink in most places in Hawaii. (Maybe there is some implied connection with the leprosy on Molokai? I don't want to go there.) This was a "it just so happens that..." moment with Chin Ho suddenly out-brainstorming McGarrett as well as creating a very "conveee-nient" way to get the hostages out of the way so they could finish the bad guy off.

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 08:36:30 PDT


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Journey out of Limbo

Scorpio, you actually posted that the Original Five-O’s first season is unmemorable? The acting is better on the Five-Zero?

Chicken gots to ask: Is you Crazy???

C’mon Scorp, I know you want people to dig the new show. I tried to like the new show. But, as Jerry Parks might say in S1 of the original - makin some ‘far out’ assertions like that to prop up the new show ain’t gonna convince nobody, babey. C’mon, seriously, now. :D

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 08:15:57 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

"Why did the grave stone read John McGarret instead of Steven??????? Did I miss something?"

I think you missed the first episode of the new show...

;)

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 08:11:20 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver BC

OK, my earlier reaction was my "do-not-think-about-this-too-hard" reaction ... now I am thinking (and not too hard either)...

You wonder how much they paid in licensing for the well-known Rolling Stones music at the beginning ... money that could have been better spent hiring some other "musician(s)" to work on the score for the whole show!!

This sub plot with the former friend of the bad guy who ripped him off, then ends up dating this dame who is going to Hawaii after winning the million dollars was stupid. What are the chances of that happening? (I may have misread the whole thing, I gotta watch it again -- ugh!) Why not just stick with the idea of kidnapping the woman who won the million? That would make more sense, no point in trying to make this bad guy the super-criminal equivalent of the multi-tasking McGarrett.

Also, what's with the opening sequence, the bad guy Crazy Glues the guard's lips together (since when does Crazy Glue come in huge caulk-like containers?) and has him holding a gun via some kind of a splint attached to his arm. So where is the motivation for the guard to do what he wants? Is the bad guy standing behind the guard somewhere, hiding in his guard's uniform ready to escape at the right moment, pointing a gun at the guard's head or something?

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 08:08:11 PDT


Submitted by: Peter T.
From: New Jersey

Why did the grave stone read John McGarret instead of Steven??????? Did I miss something?

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 08:03:00 PDT


Submitted by: Force Ten
From: Westford, MA

First time post...I'm still trying to like the new series. Episode 4 was a little better than previous episodes...but still nothing to write home about. I find McGarrett's character a little schizophrenic. I mean, one minute he's in charge, flying a helicopter in pursuit of the villain/hostages...next, Chin is telling him not to drink the water:it's full of pathogens that would make a billy goat puke! McGarrett, as a Seal, & having been supposedly raised in Hawaii should have known NOT to drink the water! So, this obvious "ploy" of the writers to separate the hostages from the villain makes McGarrett look foolish!These little foibles tell me that they are struggling to fit an hour's worth of action into 43 minutes...and they're taking short-cuts that make the viewer question the legitimacy of what's happening before their eyes. The acting is as good as it can be, I guess, given that the producers want non-stop action from their writers, mistakingly believing that the 18-49 demographic is the only one that matters ($$$$) and that all people want the same video game experience. I would like to see a well-plotted crime/caper being "solved" by this elite squad. Until and unless, I think I prefer to watch the DVDs of the original. But I will give the new show a few more looks...at least it doesn't seem to be getting any worse! Great site!

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 07:29:04 PDT


Submitted by: Elaine
From: Watertown, MA

Remake 101: Watched ep.4 last night: some things were better,some were the same and some were worse than previous eps. I liked the scenes from Molokai...shots of the beautiful waterfalls and lush valleys,finally showing the beauty of the islands! Hurray! Liked that the banter between McG and Danno has been toned down. Thought the breakout from HCF was far-fetched, not to mention the basketball game in the "yard"(like an inmate would talk to the "fuzz" in front of the other cons...unrealistic at best). And I didn't know that sailors could receive personal phone calls when on "duty"...on NCIS, it's a big deal to talk to someone "at sea"...have to go through MTAC..but maybe the gov gave McG a special phone? Must have a heck of a cell phone bill each month! Anyway, still stretching believability to the back of beyond. McGarrett can fly a chopper...okay, he was a Seal...Can Do Anything like Rambo. Character development was a little better and goes a long way to making it more watchable.I didn't quite get the deal with the 4 million in the bank in Hawaii? Did this confuse anyone else? The show's still in need of better pacing, better music, etc...And did anyone think that "Carl" looked like a young Bobby Orr?

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 07:01:36 PDT


Submitted by: RobertScorpio
From: Cassadine Island

Here is how I rank the first four episodes….

“Lanakila” (Escaped convict episode)

“The Pilot” (The first episode)

“Malama Ka Aina” (Gang war between Triad/Hawaiians)

“Ohana” (The kidnapping of cyber terrorist dude).

I think the show is getting better. There hasn’t been a ‘classic’ episode yet, nor has there been a real clunker. And as I look at the original show’s first four episodes, other than Cocoon, they weren’t all that memorable either, in my humble opinion. Typical first season shakedown cruise.

I know I will stir a hornets nest with this next comment, but oh well. I find the overall acting of the new show ahead of the first season of the original FIVEO. The first season of the orignal show, as well as season two I might add, was stiff when it came to the acting.

Rob

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 06:44:23 PDT


Submitted by: Steven
From: Miami

I watched the fourth episode and it's by far the worst of the lot.

The basketball scene in the prison yard was just embarrassing, with AOL's NBA (No Basketball Ability) --covered up with rapid edits--just plain dumb. Calling the Persian Gulf for help was incredibly farfetched, too.

The idiotic subplot with the unprepossessing sister doesn't make me look forward to her spinoff, either. I'd be more interested in Kono's taking down of the suspect over the scene they did make us sit through, the HUGE guy--who spoke but said nothing I could understand-- assigned to babysit the sister.

I also developed a pounding headache from the Zimmer-like drone and noise that assaulted my aging ears. I never noticed how intrusive this was until this particular episode. Now I know what everyone's been complaining about.

I hate the "digital immersion" that afflicts the picture, as well. There's a urine-ness to the whole image. There's a scene where this urine stain is noticable on Kono, when she's talking to AOL over the phone. It's annoying to the eye as the music is to the ear.

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 06:23:57 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver BC

"Hawaii 5-0" Recap: Isn't it Bromantic! When Danno Met McGarrett

http://www.afterelton.com/TV/recaps/hawaii50/101

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 01:22:08 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver BC

I managed to track down the MST3K version of Code Name Diamond Head, which looks pretty bad. It does have a major role for Zulu, though. Other Five-O associated people on the show include France Nuyen, Don Knight, Eric Braeden, Dennis Patrick (guy who looks like The Man from Glad in Though the Heavens Fall), Frank Michael Liu (Pahia in The Flip Side is Death), Harry Endo, Elissa, Sam Peters (numerous roles), William Valentine (numerous roles), Morton Stevens (musical score) and Jack Whitman (DOP for 5 shows).

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 00:59:02 PDT


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Chicago

Yes, it was Danny who referred to Kamekona as "Shamu."

Also, I liked the scene in the beginning with Danny and his doctor where they were talking about his achilles injury. Funny how he in a round about way blamed it on McGarrett. Also, there was some discussion a while back about a truck that they thought McGarrett would be driving. Well, he was driving it tonight. Nice truck. And it was announced during a commercial break tonight that the University of Maryland won the best band doing the Hawaii Five-O theme.

Added: Tuesday 12 October 2010 00:03:39 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I watched part of one episode of The Forgotten, just to see if Michelle Borth was in it (she was). She seemed more mature-looking than in the HBO show (where she played a 20 something) as well as clothed.

Was it Danno who referred to Kamekona as "Shamu"?

I don't like the way that Five-O is bossing their way into crime scenes, telling HPD to take off. This will not elicit any co-operation from HPD eventually!

Added: Monday 11 October 2010 23:13:00 PDT


Submitted by: RobertScorpio
From: San Diego

Well, I liked the new episode too. I like his sister, and I thought it was just as good as some of the old show's above average episodes. Nothing great but nothing bad.

And, again, this show, IMO, is running circles around the old show's character development. Its something that most haters of this old show don't like, but I do. We know so much more about the main characters, and its only the forth episode. I'm sure this new cast is very appreciative of it; I know James McCarthur is.

The problem with some of you and the pace of the show is legit. But I see it as the result of having 10 less minutes to tell a story, which is a BIG deal.

So...so far so good. I could use a JEDI mind trick on you like Steve's sister did and make you haters like it more; but I wont...for now!

Rob

Added: Monday 11 October 2010 23:12:38 PDT


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Chicago

Did I miss it or did anyone else notice that there was no "Book 'em Danno" spoken tonight?

Added: Monday 11 October 2010 23:00:49 PDT


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Chicago

Mr. Mike - "Uh, why don't you guys STFU about the ratings? Why not talk about the fourth show instead? Oh, I know ... because YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET!"

Wasn't sure what STFU meant at first but after I figured it out, I couldn't have said it any better. Once again, the usual bickering broke out. At any rate, I hate to just ditto what you said in your post but I pretty much agree with everything you said. The bitching between McGarrett and Danno was definitely calmed down. However, I did love the line from the prisoner (D.L. Hughley) that asked how long the two of them have been married. Very funny.

The sound was MUCH better. There were just a couple lines that I had to do a rewind and it wasn't because of the sound but because Danno rushed through them. And I loved seeing Kamekona again. We may miss our original big Hawaiian (Kono) but Kamekona seems to be fitting that bill. And I liked McGarrett's sister ("Mary" this time around - not Mary Ann), too. McGarrett's girlfriend, played by Michelle Borth, was also in "The Forgotten." It was a very good but short-lived series with Christian Slater.

Added: Monday 11 October 2010 22:58:35 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Uh, why don't you guys STFU about the ratings? Why not talk about the fourth show instead? Oh, I know ... because YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET! :D

Well, through the miracles of technology, I >have< seen it and I liked it. I even liked McGarrett's sister, which was a big surprise, not to mention McGarrett's GF (despite an appearance of only a minute or so), though I was expecting to like her, since I watched every episode of her HBO show Tell Me You Love Me, where she was described as the "nakedest person on television." (No, she is not naked in Five-O.)

Certain things continue to annoy me, like the music (especially the chunka-chunka-chunka-chunka Bourne passages and the goopy vocals at the end) and the insert shots of Hawaii combined with herky-jerky camera movement. Maybe I should just ignore these in the future.

The scene in the prison was totally unrealistic. HELLO! Isn't it uncool for prisoners to talk about other prisoners to the cops -- especially in front of other prisoners? Some good lines from the prisoner they were grilling, though, when he referred to McGarrett as "tall, dark and uptight," and to both of them: "How long you two been married?"

The bitchin' between McGarrett and Danno was toned down.

The demise of the bad guy was pretty boring ... I was hoping for something a bit more spectacular.

Some nice references to the original show, aside from the reappearance of Kamekona. McGarrett is all-knowing again, but Chin is pretty smart too. In response to McGarrett barking orders, Chin replied, "Easy," and Kono replied, "I'm on it."

McGarrett's father's tombstone has the dates March 15, 1942-September 20, 2010 (!). Gotta go and look up the first one, I'm sure there is some significance...

Added: Monday 11 October 2010 22:32:13 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Dalen;

Hypothetical ratings? Seriously? Since when do shows follow a pattern like that? LOL Why don't you just go into your local church and pray for its demise?

Maybe then you will be granted the miracle you wish so desperately to happen.

Added: Monday 11 October 2010 21:00:15 PDT


Submitted by: Gordon
From: Alabama

While I love the old Five-O, I am really enjoying the new Five-0! I have not missed an episode.

With that in mind, I seem to have missed something, between the end of episode 3 and tonight's episode 4. As episode 3 ended, the "team" was watching old video of McGarrett playing football. He played the Quarterback position, with the jersey number "50." When asked why a QB wore the number "50," a linebacker's number, McGarrett explained that the number did not represent "50," but rather "5" - "0." In tonight's epsisode, there were a few references made by team members as being from "Five-0."

When did McGarrett, the Governor, or the team decide that they would use the name "Five-?" Did I miss part of an episode? I though, as with the "book 'em, Danno," the viewer would be there when the "Five-0" designation was started, with some explanation of it.

Added: Monday 11 October 2010 20:52:42 PDT


Submitted by: Dalen Quaice
Burbank, CA, USA

I am not going to belabor the point about ratings. Let us hypothetically assume that there are 14 episodes.

So we have:

1st episode: 13.8 million viewers 3.9

2nd episode: 12.7 million viewers 3.6

3rd episode: 12.2 million viewers 3.5

And now hypothetical figures which assume a similar drop as from Ep 2 to Ep 3 --

4th episode: 11.7 million viewers 3.4

5th episode: 11.2 million viewers 3.3

6th episode: 10.7 million viewers 3.2

7th episode: 10.2 million viewers 3.1

8th episode: 9.7 million viewers 3.0

9th episode: 9.2 million viewers 2.9

10th episode: 8.7 million viewers 2.8

11th episode: 8.2 million viewers 2.7

12th episode: 7.7 million viewers 2.6

13th episode: 7.2 million viewers 2.5

14th episode: 6.7 million viewers 2.4

OOOPS! Cancelled after 14. :(

Will that happen? We'll see... generally these shows tend to nosedive after a certain point rather than dropping steadily.

Added: Monday 11 October 2010 20:46:41 PDT


Submitted by: bob rose
From: bridgewater

thought this was the best episode

Added: Monday 11 October 2010 19:58:54 PDT


Submitted by: Dan
From: South Brunswick, NJ

The Balthazar Getty (a somewhat well known guest star) character would have gotten allot more screen time had this been a storyline on the original hawaii five o. The need to add a wave bumper before the commercial breaks. NCIS has bumpers why not the new Five-0 the wave was a classic part of the original. :!wait:

Added: Monday 11 October 2010 19:50:10 PDT


Submitted by: Big City Gal
From: NYC

"If this drop continues, by the end of the season (assuming they do get a back 9 after Xmas) it will be nearing cancellation! FACT."

Mmmmmmm...I doubt that. The drop to week #2 is 10% and not a concern for a network. The week 2 to week 3 drop is *relatively* insignificant. That is, H50 won the demo handily for its time slot, so again, not a huge concern for the network.

Also to consider is the drops/gains of shows relative to the time slot. And so far H50 is NOT fairing poorly against it's competition. Wanna see a show close to cancellation...look at the numbers for Chase. It lost well over a million viewers from week 2 to 3 and nly pulled a 1.7 share.

Unless there is a HUGE drop in the coming few weeks (say dropping under 10mil and losing the demo), my bet is H50 gets a call for the back nine. Nothing in the ratings press has led me to believe it's even remotely considered for cancellation. Not with those 18-49 numbers.

Added: Monday 11 October 2010 18:40:53 PDT


Submitted by: Victor
From: dvr

Dalen, said,

OK, this is is getting annoying. The ratings have been dropping:

1st episode: 13.8 million viewers

2nd episode: 12.7 million viewers

3rd episode: 12.2 million viewers

If this drop continues, by the end of the season (assuming they do get a back 9 after Xmas) it will be nearing cancellation! FACT.

Thanks Dalen, That is what I have been trying to say to KIR .

I won't bother anyone anymore with numbers.

But, Numbers don't lie. they have been dropping in each episode .Same as demo ,

1 st episode....3.9

2nd episode.....3.6

3rd episode.....3.5

Added: Monday 11 October 2010 18:22:01 PDT


Submitted by: Kristin
From: Massachusetts

"Preliminary(?) artwork for tenth season, due December 14, 2010:

http://bit.ly/cjyZzu"

Steven I am with you hoping that the artwork is preliminary not the real artwork because to me I just don't like that picture of Jack Lord. To me when I look at the picture something just looks off to me. I really hope that CBS changes the artwork before it is released.

Added: Monday 11 October 2010 18:21:45 PDT


Submitted by: Dalen Quaice
From: Burbank, CA, USA

OK, this is is getting annoying. The ratings have been dropping:

1st episode: 13.8 million viewers

2nd episode: 12.7 million viewers

3rd episode: 12.2 million viewers

If this drop continues, by the end of the season (assuming they do get a back 9 after Xmas) it will be nearing cancellation! FACT.

Added: Monday 11 October 2010 17:57:40 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Victor, I am sorry but every report I have seen, and there have been many, show that the drop was normal and expected from the premiere and that the numbers have held steady for the last two episodes with excellence in the demo at 3.5.

Show me any article that says the numbers have dropped from week two to three. I could show you several that say H50 is doing extremely well. In fact,I believe there are several posts I have put up over the last week that show that with the sites noted.

Please show me where it says the numbers have been dropping.

Here are some of my articles:

NY Times:

http://nyti.ms/bBVO7v

"Two new CBS shows, the comedy “Mike and Molly” and the revival drama “Hawaii Five-0,” have done so well they are already shoo-ins to be ordered for a full season."

http://bit.ly/closie

Kentucky.com:

"

Speaking of the land of the dead, there's not a new vampire anywhere, though Alex O'Loughlin, who played one in his first CBS series, has finally broken through in his third, starring in "Hawaii Five-0," the season's biggest new hit. On a road littered with failures, it could prove to be the most successful new TV series in history based, albeit very loosely, on an old one."

http://bit.ly/9o61Xc

"'Hawaii Five-0' Earns Place As Fall's Best New Show"

"

After three episodes, "Hawaii Five-0" is averaging an 8.0 rating/13 share. This past week, it was CBS' eighth most-watched program, tying with the popular "Big Bang Theory," and finishing 4 percent above the network's average this week. It even made the top 10 overall in its debut week, the only new show to have done that so far since the season officially started.

Top New Shows, through Week of Oct. 3 -- [Audience Loyalty Index rating]

1. Hawaii Five-0 (CBS) -- 8.0/13 -- [93.0]"

Let me know if you need more proof. I have plenty more where that came from and none of these sites belongs to CBS.

Added: Monday 11 October 2010 17:40:26 PDT


Submitted by: Victor
From: dvr

KIR, "But H50 is not in danger of being canceled "

I never said the remake was in danger of being canceled. I am positive it will get a full season, especially after all the money and promotion CBS put in it, they need to get that money back.

But if numbers keep dropping week after week as it has happened until now, let's see what happens in May.

Last week the show had the lowest numbers of viewers of any CBS drama from Monday to Thursday in the whole week. Except for The Defenders , that of course is a goner already. And the demo has gone from 3.9 to 3.5 in just 3 weeks. Not that great.

After the expensive pilot and all the money spent in promotion , CBS must be pretty disappointed with those numbers.They were expecting at least same numbers as NCSI, 19,5 million viewers and 4 demo. And they are using those dvr numbers, good for nothing, just to hide that.

Added: Monday 11 October 2010 17:19:15 PDT


Submitted by: Steven
From: Miami

Preliminary(?) artwork for tenth season, due December 14, 2010:

http://bit.ly/cjyZzu

Added: Monday 11 October 2010 16:20:04 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Victor:

Yes,on tvbtn.com he always gives his personal evaluation of the numbers. He doesn't like the largest average viewership increase because he says it doesn't impress the advertisers. They don't like it because you FF the commercials and like he said before, if you are in danger of being canceled, those numbers won't help you.

But H50 is not in danger of being canceled so those numbers just show how many more viewers like and watch H50, without the commercials. He grudgingly put those numbers up because they do exist and since we don't need any more viewers, it does give us a nice insight into how many are watching H50.

Those numbers are there in the last chart on the page, and they have H50 as #1.

But let's just say you don't care about those numbers. Fine. Then look at the other charts he provides on the page.

On the very first chart, which to advertisers contains THE most important numbers out there:Largest 18-49 Demo Increase From DVR Viewing for Broadcast TV Shows (September 20-26):,H50 comes in at #4 of all the shows.

This is much more important to the advertisers then even # of viewers; this is their main objective. Here H50 is out doing every show on TV except 3 of them, and those 3 already have established viewership.

I say that is a home run any way you look at it.

http://bit.ly/cLUdMy

Added: Monday 11 October 2010 15:48:13 PDT


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: NYC

Rick, "the babely Brenda Scott" was super-cute. There are plenty of hilarious moments in that one, like the other chicks in the psych-ward. And the brutal performance of the vengeful father, wow.

Added: Monday 11 October 2010 15:03:09 PDT


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Yep, Sam Melville was one righteous Five-0 villain, bay-bee! Far out! He was a gas, man! I can't even imagine anyone who doesn't dig the cat! He's right up there with Big Chick and Victor Reese as the best of season 1... totally outta sight, bay-bee! Dig?

Added: Monday 11 October 2010 13:30:31 PDT


Submitted by: Victor
From: dvr

KIR said

"BTW: "Hawaii Five-0" and "The Mentalist" Are the Most Played Back Shows on DVR of All Time, with H50 coming in at #1.

"Hawaii Five-0" Adds +3.4 Million Viewers and Grows to a 5.0 in Adults 18-49

The playback audience for HAWAII FIVE-0 alone exceeds the population of Chicago, the third largest city in the U.S.," said David Poltrack, Chief Research Officer, CBS and President, CBS VISION."

Not really KIR, ....If you check this

http://bit.ly/cLUdMy

You will read that the Largest 18-49 Demo Increase From DVR Viewing for Broadcast TV Shows (September 20-26), are in this order,Grey's Anatomy, Modern Family ,House and Hawaii five-O.

And this, "And after talking to Robert, I have been persuaded to include average viewership increases as well. Formerly, I didn’t bother because average viewership doesn’t matter except for press releases. But based on the C+3 commercial ratings from premiere week, I am now convinced that none of these Live+7 ratings matter to the advertising revenue of the networks at all, so we’ll give the people what they want!"

So, those numbers don't matter at all, just press releases by the networks trying to make numbers to work in their favor.In this case, CBS with the remake.

;) :p

Added: Monday 11 October 2010 12:37:41 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Mike,

You make an interesting point about the sound quality and why it is all different for everyone.

I wonder how they can fix something like that?

Added: Monday 11 October 2010 12:12:01 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Considering Kam Fong (the "Chinese dude" in the original show) was born in Honolulu and spent his entire life there, I think he could be considered "Hawaiian."

Added: Monday 11 October 2010 12:04:06 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Robert:

I don't think the governor is his mother because his mother was killed in a car accident. I know that when she told Steve that his dad was her friend too, that might sound like a hint, but my gut says no.

OTOH, when Chin Ho went to his cousin's house and saw the baby, he said that the baby had "your eyes" to the mom. Some of us have speculated that it seemed that that kind of comment is usually made between past lovers. So lots of possibilities coming up personally for the team.

BTW: "Hawaii Five-0" and "The Mentalist" Are the Most Played Back Shows on DVR of All Time, with H50 coming in at #1.

"Hawaii Five-0" Adds +3.4 Million Viewers and Grows to a 5.0 in Adults 18-49

The playback audience for HAWAII FIVE-0 alone exceeds the population of Chicago, the third largest city in the U.S.," said David Poltrack, Chief Research Officer, CBS and President, CBS VISION.

That from DVR viewing. It

Added: Monday 11 October 2010 12:03:46 PDT


Submitted by: RobertScorpio
From: San Diego

oooops...his mother?

Added: Monday 11 October 2010 11:43:45 PDT


Submitted by: RobertScorpio
From: San Diego

Daniel Dae Kim will be here in San Diego for a film festival. He is going to take some questions at some point and I hope to be there. I like this guy ever since I first saw him on Star Trek Voyager, and later 24 and of course on LOST. I saw him at comic-com last year and he really seems like a nice guy.

Grace Park is a pretty interesting person as well. I saw her at comic-con two years ago at a concert put on by the guy who made the music for the new Battlestar Galactic. She was very, well, teasing up there on the stage and knew that all the eyes in building were on her. She is a MAXIM superstar and her, ahem, "spreads", are always revealing interviews.

Not on this site, well at least I haven't seen it yet, but on another site people are upset that they have two Koreans in the line-up and no Hawaiians. But if you take off Kono, wasn't the other original class two white-guys and a Chinese dude (chin ho?).

Though, they do need to explain Chin's extended family because he and Kono and the undercover cop dude from last week are all cousins. Is that a figure of speech or is there some kind of multiracial family dynamic going on because I think it would be cool if there is. This is melting pot society...

People..here is my question. Is it possible that governor is McGarrett's father? My sister, an avid fan of General Hospital (i used to be, not anymore) is getting that vibe.

Rob

Added: Monday 11 October 2010 11:41:30 PDT


Submitted by: DJ
From: Iowa

Season 10 to be released in time for the holidays: December 14, 2010. :!cool:

Added: Monday 11 October 2010 11:03:36 PDT


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"from Slim Hopkins and Bo Pickins" -- :!thinking: Who they?

Added: Monday 11 October 2010 10:01:55 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I think it would be more useful if people discussing the sound problems would say what kind of speakers their computers or TVs have. If you are listening to the show on the computer and there are only typical small computer speakers, then the bass and surround sound information will be almost nonexistent and the dialogue will probably be clearer. On the other hand, if you are listening on a home theatre with surround sound in Dolby 5.1 and/or different "hall" settings on your amplifier, then the sound mix is going to be very different. Even a lot of large TVs without the benefit of external home theatre speakers have pretty fancy sound "images."

Added: Monday 11 October 2010 08:59:49 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

I haven't noticed that the music in the new show is especially loud. Maybe this has something to do with differences in our TVs and sound systems. We have a brand new HD TV with great sound quality.

As for '"Iron John" trainwreck', LOL, we must be watching different shows. The one I'm watching has a typical cop-buddy relationship, not anything we haven't seen before. That's my main complaint about it.

So will it be Steve or Danno who gets shot first, then rescued by the other one? Because that's how these things work. Even on the old Five-0 :)

Added: Monday 11 October 2010 08:20:18 PDT


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Chicago

Robert Scorpio said: "Well, the next episode is just 24 hours or so from airing. I guess I am in the minority here with my liking of the new show."

Robert...I suspect that there are a lot of people who like/dislike the new series out there who simply don't post or at least don't post often. So it is hard to gauge who the minority is. Often when you post a positive comment it is met with negative feedback. The same is true in the reverse. Some people get really defensive when there is a negative post and they will dispute it endlessly. So, it's not that people are afraid to post their opinions, it seems that they just don't want to be a part of those tiresome, redundant debates.

I have been looking forward to this new series for a long time and for the most part I am happy with it. Yes, there are some things that I think definitely need tweaking but I'm hoping those will be worked out as the series progresses. I am also hoping that those folks who do not like (or even watch) the new show will simply use the remote and switch channels. We are on show #4 tonight so now would be a good time to try other shows.

I am all for critiquing the new series as has been done on this site with the old series. There are some pretty interesting points of view. But it would be refreshing to come here later tonight and tomorrow and see some new posts (and posters) that offer something different. Aloha! :)

Added: Monday 11 October 2010 07:56:21 PDT


Submitted by: Peter
From: UK

I wonder if we will eventualy get series 8 here in the UK. Play.com has no date for release and Amazon is now on March 2011. So on region 2 we seem to be 2 series behind. I wonder if they will release series 8 and 9 together?

Has anyone heard if they will show the New Five O on our tv here in the UK?

Added: Monday 11 October 2010 07:39:43 PDT


Submitted by: Steven
From: Miami

I'm re-watching Five-O's fifth season again and James MacArthur delivers his finest performance in "Pig in a Blanket" which focuses on his friend and HPD officer being killed and Danno's reaction to same. He also shoots another kid and the interaction between Jimmy Mac and Jack is tremendous without being the "Iron John" trainwreck the new Danno/McG relationship is turning out to be.

Added: Monday 11 October 2010 06:23:07 PDT


Submitted by: Dean
From: Vernon Hills, Illinois

Does anyone here remember a failed TV pilot from 1977 called Code Name: Diamond Head. It was produced by Quinn Martin, and was similar to Hawaii Five O. It featured several performers who appeared on Five O. France Nuyen, Eric Braden, Don Knight, Harry Endo, and Zulu. I saw it once, on Mystery Science Theater 3000, where it was rightfully ripped to shreds by Mike, Crow, and Tom Servo. One scene had Zulu singing to a crowd of tourists, and Mike Nelson remarked: It's a song about how much he hates Jack Lord. Hope one day Shout Factory! will release it on DVD.

Added: Sunday 10 October 2010 22:10:02 PDT


Submitted by: boris
From: spfld, ma

Paulson was also nice and sleazy as Ed Flanders' communist soviet escort and guard in Guarnarias Caper.

Recently saw Mother's Deadly Helper and Anthony Zerbe's performance is about one of the best of any guest stars. He is at once protagonist yet detestable. Awwwsome!

The whole clan-cast in One Big Happy Family is pretty amazing from Slim Hopkins and Bo Pickins almost outplayed by the evil women, Barbara Baxley and that cute little wild wife.

Added: Sunday 10 October 2010 21:26:37 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

I am looking forward to Masi (Hiro) also. He was great on HEROES. I like how the team is slowly warming up to each other and forming a bond. I also like that they are doing it little by little because in real life, that is how it would happen. Having each other's backs and trusting each other is how bonding occurs. Works for me. Also sharing in their personal lives bonds them even more.

Added: Sunday 10 October 2010 21:08:51 PDT


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

"Laughter should be beautiful... you make it ugly" ...Uptight is one of my favorite eps. I think the babely Brenda Scott must have distracted me from Ed Flanders performance.

Added: Sunday 10 October 2010 21:07:29 PDT


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: NYC

What, no ED FLANDERS? "Uptight" is a great episode.

Added: Sunday 10 October 2010 20:56:16 PDT


Submitted by: RobertScorpio
From: Reality

Well, the next episode is just 24 hours or so from airing. I guess I am in the minority here with my liking of the new show, but oh well. I think it clicking as best as can be expected for this era's cop shows.

One of my favorite characters on HEROS was Hiro,who will be arriving on next weeks episodes of FIVEO. I work for US MILITARY, and have a couple friends I work with from Korea. They are having a blast with KONO and CHINO and spend Tuesday's lunch talking about the episode we saw on Monday night.

I hope, later on in the season, they give us a couple of episodes with the full version of the opening theme. There is a video on YOUTUBE showing the orchestra in action recording it, including three people returning from the original version.

Rob

Added: Sunday 10 October 2010 20:44:13 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Just want to comment on the tennis thing. I think the point of that sequence wasn't to diss tennis. Tennis is considered a rich man's sport and I think Danno was metaphorically dissing all things which the "rich" do because StepStan is rich and his daughter lives there, and Danno is not.

Notice that Steve asks Danno what is wrong with tennis? Remember rich StepStan got Grace a real rabbit and Danno was ashamed of his stuffed bunny so he hid it because it wasn't as good as the real rabbit. He compares the country club hotdogs Grace ate to hotdogs on a stick at the ball game. He puts down the country club hotdog as "not a real hotdog." Danno just has issues with the rich stepdad and feels inferior to him, so he lashes out this way. IMO

As to the sound, it needs to be adjusted for sure but honestly, it didn't make me walk away or cover my ears. It wasn't THAT horrible. If it was, many critics would be saying something about it and many viewers would be on the different sites, like FB for H50, complaining. I haven't seen that.

But I have tweeted BobOrci and Lenkov about it because they want feedback and want to hear any suggestions/complaints where they can improve.

Personally, I say kudos to them for asking since they are doing extremely well without any changes. But they know there are always things that need to get better, and I appreciate the chance they give me to tell them.

It is up to the folk who complain to complain to them and not just about them. Otherwise it is like the person who never votes complaining about what is wrong with the people who are in office.

Tweet BobOrci about the music also. And the rapid camera movement as well. There were times that that bothered me also. All new shows need adjustments. Let's let them know where we would like the adjustments to be.

Added: Sunday 10 October 2010 20:04:50 PDT


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

Yeah... Melville was intense. ringfire has called him out in the past too. Just reading that "take the pills" quote, I can hear him. I think I'll watch it tonight.

Some of the others mentioned are great eps but I had to edit to fit so I kept it to my top twelve. I don't think I could narrow it down much more. If I had to pick the number one bad guy performance? ...Nah, couldn't do it.

Added: Sunday 10 October 2010 19:14:21 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Bad guys: I'll add my favorite Don Stroud (Honolulu born and raised) in "The Late John Louisiana".

Persoff in any of his episodes. He's one of the great unsung actors and has been in a million things.

I have a soft spot for John Larch in "Yesterday Died..." mainly because he was so fantastic in a couple of the best "Naked City" episodes.

Speaking of weird titles, "Naked City" wins the prize, e.g. "And If Any Are Frozen, Warm Them" and "A Horse Has a Big Head- Let Him Worry!"

Added: Sunday 10 October 2010 18:58:30 PDT


Submitted by: Nancy Henson
From: Dayton OH

After attempting to watch the third episode (it was taped on a DVR) tonight, I left the room because I can no longer abide the background music that is so loud that I can barely hear the dialogue. This could be a good show, but I don't think I can endure watching something so hyper and loud that it gives me a headache.

Added: Sunday 10 October 2010 17:36:01 PDT


Submitted by: Sylvia
From: The place where classic TV rules

I took a brief, curious look at the intro for last week's episode. When I managed to get my eyesight back from those crazy edits, :!nerd: I noticed Danny #2 disparaging daughter Grace's tennis lessons as something his ex-wife and her new husband cooked up. Interesting comparison to James MacArthur's Dan Williams, who played tennis on the original show (as did MacArthur in real life until recently).

Added: Sunday 10 October 2010 16:40:33 PDT


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: The Box

Rick, really dug that surprise pick of Sam Melville/Jerry Parks: “C’mon, take the pills. All your life you had it so easy, why can’t you make it easy for somebody else.”

As you say, “Classic early Five-0 at its best.” Indeed, my friend.

Added: Sunday 10 October 2010 15:59:31 PDT


Submitted by: JulieS
From: Australia

Rick - I agree with you about Carol Rhodes (Beth Brickell) in "Goodnight Baby, Time to Die". The ending of that episode was a big surprise in regards to what she does when she is caught.

Another villainess that I really didn't like Jo Louise Mailer (Beverly McKinsey) in "The Joker's Wild, Man, Wild!" In a way she really deserved what she got in the end.

Added: Sunday 10 October 2010 15:31:27 PDT


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

I think S10 is split just about down the middle... with keepers and stinkers... (I know which way the split goes for me) Others have posted similar S10 assessment.

The Beast... definitely not on board with him killing pretty women. He's bad... but I had to edit my post...2,000 character max... I think I'm at 1,999... :!swear:

Added: Sunday 10 October 2010 15:24:06 PDT


Submitted by: Steve D
From: Fairfax VA

Agree with the other comments, season 9 is very good and a step above the previous season or two. I read once that Jack Lord tried to "breathe some fresh air into the series" by going to Hong Kong for "Nine Dragons" so there was a deliberate attempt to make things better, same in season 11 when they went to Singapore to shoot the opener "Year of the Horse" (which was the first episode shot that year, but did not air until the season finale).

Unfortunately, season 10 coming up is very bland in my opinion, and one of the worst. There were no two-parters, no Wo Fat, no memorable bad guys with the possible exception of the guy who killed Chin Ho in the season finale. The shows that season were Murder She Wrote or Barnaby Jones clones. About the only good thing was the powerful version of the opening theme song which introduced the electronic drums.

I also noticed mid-season 9 the "quotes" were removed from the episode titles at the beginning of the show.

Added: Sunday 10 October 2010 14:55:20 PDT


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Bombay, All The Way

You gotta have charges, dig?

Rick, you covered mosta my picks, especially Big Chick & Bombay, my tops with Wo fat. But, hey whatta bout addin Eric Stoss, "The Beast"

"She was killed, by a beast" (great freeze on the McGarrett teeth clench then theyse roll the wave)

great, great stuff

Added: Sunday 10 October 2010 13:54:58 PDT


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

Haha... I didn't tell 'em nothing, Joe... I just sat there!..Haha... Deathwatch. Beau-coup voice dubbing in that one.

Added: Sunday 10 October 2010 13:46:14 PDT


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Seattle, Home of Toomey and Lew

Let’s not forget Joe Matsukino, King of The Rackets.

And Hans and Rick been rappin bout the very eccentric Doyle Weston and his nemesis Vince Kauoli. Would add them both. Double Exposure, great, great episode.

Added: Sunday 10 October 2010 13:31:48 PDT


Submitted by: Steven
From: Miami

My favorite Five-O bad guys:

Harry Guardino in "A Thousand Pardons, You're Dead!"

Henry Darrow in "No Bottles, No Cans, No People"

And of course, "Mr. Fat."

Added: Sunday 10 October 2010 13:22:09 PDT


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

Best Performance - Bad Guy:

Sam Melville as Jerry Parks - Tiger By The Tail - Best friend gets greedy and goes full kidnapper with intent to kill. Classic early Five-0 at its best.

Gavin MacLeod as Big Chicken - And They Painted Daisies - Yes, the law is cool, and would've been even cooler if they brought this cat back for more than just The Box.

Albert Paulson as Charley Bombay - Just Lucky I Guess - Maybe the sleaziest of them all. I could just imagine him... "Say hello to my little friend!" and then blasting up the joint.

Hume Cronyn as Lewis Avery Filer - Over Fifty? Steal - Made the short list. Crooks that get respect from McG.

Beth Brikell as Carol Rhodes - Good Night Baby, Time To Die - Not just because I wanted to include a chick. She was money as a crazy psycho bitch from hell.

Luther Adler as Dominik Vashon - Vashon trilogy - "I know because I make it my business to know what goes on in these islands!" The best of the best.

Ron Hayes as Laughlin - The Odd Lot Caper - Could be it's only a supporting role, but watch the ep and tell me he doesn't belong on this list.

Jay J. Armes as Curt Stoner - Hookman - Even those that know nothing about Five-0 know about this ep. Nuff said.

Kevin McCarthy as Hunter R. Hickey - The Last of The Great Paperhangers - McG is surprisingly cordial with HRH. Another crook that makes the short list. Respect.

Stephen Boyd as Fr. Daniel Costigan - Up The Rebels -This ep gets better every time I watch it. Death is a "tactical necessity" ...he died before it aired.

Nehemiah Persoff as Allie Francis - Number One With a Bullet - Outstanding as the mob kingpin from L.A. at a time when outstanding performances were getting scarce.

Ross Martin as Tony Alika - A Lion in The Streets - Boss of the Hawaiian mob, the Kumu. I always found humor in the way he played this character. I thought he nailed it.

Hmmm... bad guys? I keep thinking I'm forgetting someone.

Added: Sunday 10 October 2010 12:55:25 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Robert, here is your homework:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/5-0log10.htm

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/5-0log11.htm

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/5-0log12.htm

Added: Sunday 10 October 2010 12:44:55 PDT


Submitted by: RobertScorpio
From: San Diego

I agree with those who have been saying that Season 9 was better than 7 and 8. Not sure why Bell Tolls At Noon gets no love...but I liked it and though Rich Little was perfect.

Mike....is the big drop of in quality really only season 12? Or does it come sooner...

Rob

Added: Sunday 10 October 2010 12:40:57 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

"Steve McCarrett"?

Are you referring to the fact that JL's hair looks kind of reddish in some early season episodes? ;)

Added: Sunday 10 October 2010 12:35:46 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike, the hard of hearing
From: Vancouver

Here is another comment from IMDB about the sound:

On the football field after the shooting, Danno got a call from his ex-wife regarding Grace and her safety. McGarrett says something like, "I can't wait to meet your ex-wife" (he was being sarcastic, of course). Then Danno answered that. But I can't understand what he said.

Near the end of the show, Danno asked McGarrett if he had the Governor intervene in his custody case. McGarrett said something similar to, "The Governor doesn't discuss her business with me". Then McGarrett said something else. That, too, I couldn't understand. (Then McGarrett and Danno shook hands and McGarrett pointed out that Danno wasn't as alone as he thought he was).

I've re-played the DVR about a "dozen" times and I still cannot get it.

Added: Sunday 10 October 2010 12:28:02 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike the archiver
From: Vancouver

I just archived stuff from the first 8 days of October (see link at bottom of the page). Surprisingly, I didn't screw it up! With the increased interest in the show, it looks like the guestbook contributions for a month -- based on this month -- might go past 1 megabyte in size. This is over double the amount from September and around four times months prior to that. It looks like I'm going have to do this archiving every week or so in the future, unless I want to limit the maximum length of the postings to a Twitter-like length of 146 characters (hmmmm....). There is a certain routine to this archiving (it's not just a simple matter of copy and paste like it was with the old Guestbook format) which hopefully I will figure out soon enough.

Added: Sunday 10 October 2010 12:20:26 PDT


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: NYC

To Steven: Don't worry, it's gonna blow over and get back to normal. Added: Sunday 10 October 2010 10:35:34 PDT


Submitted by: Anne
From: Tangerine

Tweet Lenkov and tell him the show's incidental music needs a major overhaul. :!evilgrin:

Added: Sunday 10 October 2010 10:24:44 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

I just tweeted Lenkov about the background noise problem.

Added: Sunday 10 October 2010 09:35:02 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

I think those of you that had trouble with the sound need to tweet Lenkov about it. I really didn't but someone here mentioned that it came across very clearly on her comp but not on her HD TV.

I have the episodes downloaded and it is true that it comes across crystal clear on my comp. It seems to filter out the outside noise much better than the TV. Why? I don't know.

But if you guys tell them, even if you repeat the tweets a few times and say you know of quite a few others with the same complaint, they can fix it. If they hear from enough folks I bet they check it out. I might tweet that if I get the nerve up(not a big tweeter.) :!thinking:

Added: Sunday 10 October 2010 09:26:35 PDT


Submitted by: Maxine
From: Brookyn

It seems that most H50 fans here - myself included - feel that Season 9 was an improvement over Season 8... (I would say over Season 7 as well). I'm wondering what happened behind the scenes that may have caused this. It's kind of unusual for a show to get a second wind so late in its run. Were there new people on the production team? Did the budgets get bigger? Something else?

Added: Sunday 10 October 2010 09:20:32 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

More comments on sound of episode #3 from IMDB:

Comment #1: I can't hear half of this frigging show because the background noise and especially the music is 10X louder than the dialogue! What the hell is up with that?

Comment #2: I have a difficult time understanding the dialog also. In the 3rd episode, Monday night, when Danno and McGarrett were talking about the governor and Danno's custody case. I couldn't hear or understand what they were saying. I re-wound the DVR several times but still couldn't make it out.

[following is same guy as who made Comment #1]

When they were in the car? Man, the roar of the engine drowned out every word they were saying! I love this show, but damn, I'd like to hear some words now and then!

[A couple of other people disagree with the opinions expressed so far, then...]

Comment #3: I find that for this show I need to enable closed-captions to understand what they're saying. Sometimes it's just for about 1 sentence out of every 5, and sometimes it's for entire scenes. I don't have this issue with other shows. Struggling to hear the dialog detracts from the enjoyment.

Added: Sunday 10 October 2010 09:16:00 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Interesting discussion about the new show by tennis fans:

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=349798

They seem to be oblivious to the fact that in the original show there was an episode which focused on a tennis tournament (in the tenth season, to be released soon):

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/5-0log10.htm#222

Added: Sunday 10 October 2010 09:03:02 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Regarding "integrity", "tough/tender" etc.: this isn't the 1960s, it's 2010. Our society has changed and so have our heroes. They are no longer required to embody all virtues. They can be flawed and confused. "House" is a good example. Something to think about.

Another thing to consider is the evolution of the cop-show over the decades. Note that in this new series, we know from the get-go that there's corruption in the force. What does that tell you?

Added: Sunday 10 October 2010 08:59:58 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Speaking of The Bells Toll at Noon, I was very surprised to discover its inclusion in an IMDB discussion about worst episodes of all time!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062568/board/thread/170359519?d=170369746&p=1#170369746

"The Bell Tolls at Noon" (1.5 stars) - This is no doubt my most controversial selection, but I felt this episode was severely overrated. The biggest reason I disliked it is the ending. "The Bells Toll at Noon" telegraphs to the audience that Johnny Kling is going to recreate the ending of "White Heat", blowing himself and druglord Paul Thayler sky high. What did we get instead? An anticlimactic ending where the druglord (an acrophobic crybaby!) is unharmed, the vigilante killer turns himself in, and then... breaks into a song and dance routine! That was the final insult - the point where I reached the "You have GOT to be kidding me!" reaction induced by some of the other episodes on this list.

Added: Sunday 10 October 2010 08:51:29 PDT


Submitted by: RobertScorpio
From: San Diego

Most of my favorite characters on TV all have that 'do my job first above anything else' mantra.

Steve McGarrett

Captain Kirk

Matt Dillon

Robert Scorpio

Zeb Macahan

Who were some of your favorite characters aside from Jack Lord's Steve McCarrett?

Rob

Added: Sunday 10 October 2010 06:54:24 PDT


Submitted by: Sylvia
From: The place where classic TV rules

Great guest stars in the original?

Don't forget Hume Croyn ("Ah.....there you are, McGarrett.";). :)

Added: Sunday 10 October 2010 06:26:02 PDT


Submitted by: Hans
From: Boston

"Seth Sakai so pissed-off he can't even enjoy his fruit salad..."

LOL Rick! yet another precious moment from this episode which is in a class all of it's own. I think the timing of the new show is a bit of a bummer in that Season 9 discussions are few and far between.

It amazes me that 9 seasons into the show they somehow dug down deep and spun such classics as "Double Exposure", "Bell Tolls" and "Nine Dragons"... best of genre stuff... bravo Five-O, take a bow...

Added: Sunday 10 October 2010 05:39:27 PDT


Submitted by: rob
From: cincinnati

Jack Lord McGarret is tough and tender. There are alot of parallels with Gunsmoke's Matt Dillon. Both of these lawmen could be emotional. They always reached out to the criminals to give them a chance to give it up peacefully. They would extend the olive branch with a stern warning of what would happen if it wasn't accepted.

Then they would simply, bust......your......ass.

Added: Sunday 10 October 2010 05:29:30 PDT


Submitted by: Steven
From: Miami

Sheesh, you need a flashlight, an "ignore" filter, and Morton Stevens' "Hookman" score in order to find any discussion on the original Five-O around here. :!cry:

Added: Sunday 10 October 2010 05:11:26 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Are you for real, Julie? Of course at the end of a 16 hour day it would get tricky. OMG! Speaking clearly gets tricky, too. So does staying awake. So does thinking, for Chris' sake.

But he has also said the American accent is easy for him because he grew up with a Canadian stepdad and it was always in his house. His co-star in Three Rivers,award-winning actress Alfre Woodard, was shocked to find out he was Australian in a media interview when they were all on stage for questions. The producers of Moonlight who hired him for the lead never knew he was Australian until after he was hired and they asked him why he didn't tell him. He said they never asked.

Now before Mike kicks us off for bickering over something so absurd, I am stopping now. You may continue to rant about it but you will do so alone.

Added: Sunday 10 October 2010 01:53:59 PDT


Submitted by: Maxine
From: Brooklyn

"classic Five-0's most famous guest star"?

There were so many famous ones - you could argue forever about who's more famous than whom.

Among the ones who were already famous when they appeared I would nominate:

Cyd Charisse, Jeff Corey, Andy Griffith, Helen Hayes, Peter Lawford, Vera Miles, and Jean Simmons (this leaves out Buddy Ebsen, Sal Mineo, Nancy Wilson, and many others... see how hard this is?)

Among the guests who later became big stars I would nominate:

Sally Kellerman, Gavin MacLeod, Edward James Olmos, Martin Sheen, and Christopher Walken (arbitrarily leaving out Jeff Daniels, John Ritter, Tom Skerritt, and Loretta Swit among others).

Kurt Russell sort of bridges both categories, since he had been working for many years before his appearance in H50 but had his best movie roles afterwards.

Added: Sunday 10 October 2010 00:59:46 PDT


Submitted by: JulieS
From: Australia

KIR - Ok if you don't believe me then you might believe AOL...

"When it gets tricky is for instance at the end of a 16-hour day...That's when my Aussie really comes out, is when I'm tired." — Cleveland’s Best Mix 106.5, October 2, 2009

So unless he somehow, found the time to perfect his American accent when he is tired, then there will be some traces of it in his speaking. So with this taken in consideration with what I have already tried to explain, I won't be giving it up any time soon.

BTW I never said it that I heard when he said "Book 'em Danno" but I have heard it in other scenes.

Added: Sunday 10 October 2010 00:17:52 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Julie;

Whatever. You never watched the show. Period. End of discussion. I know an American accent better than you. Please. I am American. And what episode did you listen to his accent on? Oh, yeah, right. None of them. He uses his Australian accent in interviews so what exactly are you basing his accent on? LOL Trust me when I tell you his American English is excellent. I do know this.

You said once you heard Aussie on, "Book 'em, Danno!" Please. Give it up!ROFLMAO

Added: Saturday 09 October 2010 23:24:55 PDT


Submitted by: RobertScorpio
From: San Diego

classic Five-o's most famous guest star...

Who ended up being the old show's most famous guest star. You could vote for a someone who was already famous, and appeared on the show...or..someone who wasn't a famous as they ended up being after their Five-0 gigs...

Rob

Added: Saturday 09 October 2010 23:22:21 PDT


Submitted by: JulieS
From: Australia

KIR- Frankly, I don't care if I am taken seriously or not about the new show. From what I seen and read, there are problems that the producers and writers need to fix for the long-term health of the show...and they know it too, hence them asking for help on places like Twitter.

One thing I will address is that I have never criticised AOL's American accent - all I said that I can still hear some of his Australian accent when he speaks. It has something to with video formats that are used. I know the format that USA uses to film TV shows is NTSC/ATSC while here in Australia we use the PAL/DVB. For some reason us Aussies can pick up the Australian accent on anything recorded on NTSC/ATSC.

Also, the network in Australia that has the rights to the new show isn't in a big hurry to air it as we have seen it all before - a new show starts off great but sometime during the first season it goes downhill e.g. V, Flash Forward

Added: Saturday 09 October 2010 23:04:39 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Now if only Julie would actually watch at least one episode of the show---she might actually know what you are talking about.

Added: Saturday 09 October 2010 22:53:26 PDT


Submitted by: Sam
From: McGarrett, always,a man of integrity.

"The writers of the new series have given us a clear idea how they want to us to see McGarrett and what it is has nothing to do with the character that Leonard Freeman (the man who created the character in the first place) had envisioned him to be.

At the moment, the Steve McGarrett I see in the new series is not a man of integrity but one of violence which is putting him on the same level as the criminals he deals with. McGarrett in the original series would never stoop that low."

JulieS. I agree with you in ALL you said.I hate what they have done with the new McGarrett.He looks like a slob. :!devil:

Added: Saturday 09 October 2010 22:42:10 PDT


Submitted by: Big Chicken (Original recipe, Never rebooted)
From: Outside The Box

“The Steve McGarrett I see in the new series is not a man of integrity but one of violence which is putting him on the same level as the criminals he deals with. McGarrett in the original series would never stoop that low.”

True Dat, Julie! You said it better than the Chicken ever could.

New reboot McGarrett just don’t ring true. Steve McGarrett all about the law, not circumventin the law. That’s what made Steve, Steve. You can’t go changin that and expect people to see it as Hawaii Five-O.

And them remakers claims to be “fans” of the ole show.

Added: Saturday 09 October 2010 22:28:33 PDT


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Seattle, Washington

Hey Boris, you right on with that tension in Season 1. Seemed to me that Danno was Steve’s young'un protégé and in S-One he seemed a little green in comparison to Kono and Chin. I thought Steve was givin him that tough love mentorin in “Daisies” After S-One, J-Mac played Danno as more assured and accomplished so that element seemed to fade out.

Season 1 will always be my favorite, man. Season 2 got lots a good eps but after seein the DVDs I’d rate Season 3 the best.

-Hey Mr. Mike. how bout some Brittney Spears tunes in the remake? That outta iron out your complainin bout the show’s music ;)

Added: Saturday 09 October 2010 22:13:42 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Julie:

You change your reasons around for disliking the show with every post. You clearly said that the main reason you first disliked the IDEA of the new H50 was because you didn't like the casting of AOL for the part because he didn't seem authoritative enough to handle it. You have criticized his American accent, which is near flawless, and now you say that "any criticism about the character of Steve McGarrett is seen by me as "hating" AOL."

YOU dissed AOL directly many times for no reason and now you change your story because you realize your first statements were about AOL and not working.

NOW you speak about the character of Steve not written correctly. I guess you needed to change gears.

Fact is, you can say anything you want but you will never be taken seriously because you will not watch the show. So all your blustering is ultimately completely meaningless. You are grasping at different straws to defend your argument because simply put, you don't know the show and don't know how to argue about it effectively.

I accept Mike and anyone else not liking the show because they actually saw it. But your opinion is just based on nothing.

Mike, thank you for showing everyone the original pilot, which explained much more about Steve and had more action scenes like the helicopter taken to Hesse's ship.

And especially thank you to Mike and KD MCG and others who have looked at the show as objectively as you can. It means a lot coming from you guys.

"Saying the new show is good because it has high ratings is like saying Britany Spears makes excellent music. Popularity does not indicate excellence, if anything it's the other way around."

Same could be said of any popular show, even the original H50. ;)

Added: Saturday 09 October 2010 22:02:20 PDT


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

With all the love Doyle Weston has been getting here lately I decided it would be a good time to watch 'Double Exposure' ...wow, I forgot how good this ep is... the cool way they shoot the scene in McG's office when he's squeezing the boat captain... bunch of people getting run over by cars... Danno gettin' busy with Meg Ryan... Seth Sakai so pissed-off he can't even enjoy his fruit salad... and one of the greatest, laugh out loud, endings... http://tinyurl.com/2w39c2l ...in Five-0 history!

Added: Saturday 09 October 2010 21:33:37 PDT


Submitted by: boris
From: spfld, ma

Saying the new show is good because it has high ratings is like saying Britany Spears makes excellent music. Popularity does not indicate excellence, if anything it's the other way around.

Wow, I always thought Cindy Williams best role was in Rude Awakening but it might be as the young mother in Secret Witness. Scared, annoying but pretty.

Added: Saturday 09 October 2010 20:55:05 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

http://culturemob.com/blog/the-new-hawaii-five-0-so-two-oh-oh-one

H5O feels more two-oh-oh-one than two-oh-one-oh. Law enforcement unbound by laws because of terrorists? Ugh. We’re facing a national identity crises because of our country’s recent extra-judicial activities: Abu Ghraib, black sites, Guantanamo, warrant-less surveillance, eroded Miranda rights, “enhanced interrogation“, detaining people without due process. Our post-911 society has been further traumatized without resolution. We were the land of human rights and due process and we’ve gone extra-judicial and we don’t recognize ourselves. Along comes Hawaii Five-O, glorifying the extra-judicial again? It didn’t resonate for me. I don’t want to think about that stuff during my late night, unwind from the day, entertainment time.

Added: Saturday 09 October 2010 20:51:11 PDT


Submitted by: JulieS
From: Australia

KIR - I have no personal opinion about AOL one way or another - I've never met him. What is clear is that you are definitely a big fan of his and any criticism about the character of Steve McGarrett is seen by you as "hating" AOL.

The writers of the new series have given us a clear idea how they want to us to see McGarrett and what it is has nothing to do with the character that Leonard Freeman (the man who created the character in the first place) had envisioned him to be.

At the moment, the Steve McGarrett I see in the new series is not a man of integrity but one of violence which is putting him on the same level as the criminals he deals with. McGarrett in the original series would never stoop that low.

Added: Saturday 09 October 2010 20:42:19 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

SPOILERS!!

http://comicsonline.com/node/1379

On October 18th, Masi Oka will guest star on the new hit series Hawaii Five-O. Many will recognize Oka as Hiro Nakamura, the regular part he played on the hit show Heroes....

[I]n a conference call interview[,] Oka ... discussed his upcoming appearance as Max Bergman, a socially awkward, piano playing, genius who’s the Honolulu County Medical Examiner.

Oka describes the character as being short on social skills and sort of “off in his own world”. Bergman has a piano in his office at the morgue, and he plays it when he needs to think. Oka described him as a “tactile thinker” who is also a bit of a “mad professor”.

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Oh, great ... is he going to be the equivalent of Doyle Weston in the new Five-O?

Added: Saturday 09 October 2010 20:30:23 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The pilot script is here:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/misc/HAWAII_FIVE-O.pdf

Added: Saturday 09 October 2010 20:17:52 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Julie:

Come on. Promos are nothing but 3 minute enticers. To judge without seeing a show is wrong, anyway you look at it. And Alex doesn't write the script.He plays the role he is given. Why do you say he can't act the part? Sorry, but your analysis is based on some kind of dislike for Alex based on--who knows? It is the #1 new show and not because people watch the promos. People actually watch the show and apparently many like it. That says something. Ad long as you admit you haven't ever watched the show, you have a right to your opinion. I just want everyone to understand what you are basing your opinion on. Promos, nothing more.

Added: Saturday 09 October 2010 20:07:40 PDT


Submitted by: boris
From: spfld, ma

Does anyone else feel like there was this element in season 1 where Steve was ballbusting Danny? I remember some serious reprimands in season 1- certainly in "Daisies on the Coffin", but also in others. It was like Danny was the rook, and Steve was tough on him in that first season. He was never a bad guy or abusive, but a little angry and rough with his underlings. Then in later seasons they dropped that. I mean, he would never let anyone walk on him or fail to deal with poor performance, but it didnt come up as much... Maybe Danny just figured out his job better. Does this take seem accurate?

Also, isn't season 2 the best season? I think that is my favorite season.

Added: Saturday 09 October 2010 19:59:10 PDT


Submitted by: JulieS
From: Australia

To answer one question - no I haven't seen an entire episode of the new version of the show yet...but there are plenty of clips online (promo clips and the such which are designed to show you some of the best bits in order to get you hooked on the show) to make a early assessment. I may change my mind in the future.

I see the character of McGarrett as the type who is supposed to be a leader and not an equal. Sure he can be friends but he has to have that leadership quality for the times when he has to "discipline" those he is in charge of. To me I see the two McGarretts as this...

McGarrett (original series): "My words speak louder than my actions."

McGarret (new series): "My actions speak louder than my words."

If you don't like then what I have to say, then fine but I do have the right to say it.

Added: Saturday 09 October 2010 19:25:43 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Where is everybody? Living real life. Good.

http://insideblip.com/node/481

CBS has been advertising "Hawaii Five-0" -- the remake of the Jack Lord classic -- as the fall's No. 1 new show. And they're absolutely right.

The new series starring Alex O'Loughlin, Grace Park, Daniel Dae Kim and Scott Caan, leads a pack of new shows, where the top five slots are all owned by CBS. So it's not only the best overall, but the best from a network that won the ratings wars last year, and has fresh new programming ready to continue that streak for some time to come.

After three episodes, "Hawaii Five-0" is averaging an 8.0 rating/13 share. This past week, it was CBS' eighth most-watched program, tying with the popular "Big Bang Theory," and finishing 4 percent above the network's average this week. It even made the top 10 overall in its debut week, the only new show to have done that so far since the season officially started.

Top New Shows, through Week of Oct. 3 -- [Audience Loyalty Index rating]

1. Hawaii Five-0 (CBS)

Added: Saturday 09 October 2010 17:22:49 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Heather:

All of the pilot was filmed, enough for the two hours, but they had to edit out enough to make it 45 minutes or one hour of TV time. They have all of it though. So I do hope they put it together as was intended originally in the DVD. There was the whole funeral scene with Steve and his sister which was cut out; and many scenes with Steve which tell you much more about him. The line in the coffee shop where Danno says to Chin Ho, "What? You expecting a crime in the gift shop?"was originally Steve's line, for example.

I think they fully intended to have us know more about Steve in the pilot and then start with Danno in the episodes. What has happened, of course,is that it seems like Danno is better known than Steve because of that. Fortunately, it seems like they are going to tell some of Steve's story in the next few episodes.

Added: Saturday 09 October 2010 12:14:26 PDT


Submitted by: Hans
From: Boston

I agree KD, the pilot should have been longer! By an hour or even 10 minutes. It's like the suits over think this stuff... as I said, I'm spoiled by commercial free TV on HBO.

Whether you loved or hated The Sopranos, they never cut out scenes over time and $. Each show was a different length, some 48 minutes, some 55, some as much as 70 minutes. That's what you call art, not all this corporate drivel gak cooked up by a bunch of money grubbing corporate slime balls... in the end, they usually screw up a good thing and end up losing the $ they think they're saving...

Added: Saturday 09 October 2010 11:58:02 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

KDMcG: that's very interesting. Where might one find this pilot script?

I assume the deleted material was never filmed, but we might get lucky and see some unused scenes on a DVD release eventually.

Added: Saturday 09 October 2010 11:15:38 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

KD MCG:

I agree. They killed some of the understanding about Steve and some spectacular stuff that would have been cool. Lenkov tweeted a few days ago if we wanted the DVD to have the full pilot (two hours) or as deleted scenes. I hope they put it as the original pilot because then everyone could see what it should have been.

Thank you for mentioning that. :) I appreciate it.

Added: Saturday 09 October 2010 11:09:38 PDT


Submitted by: KD MCG
From: who da kine?

Reading through the original pilot teleplay, I realized that the pilot was very watered down. There were some spectacular scenes in the original, but they feel by the wayside--in fact, in many scenes, the dialog was reminiscent of our MCG, but was edited for the one hour pilot.

Pilot should have been longer! :D

Added: Saturday 09 October 2010 10:50:23 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Julie, is that true? You haven't seen any episodes of the new show? If so then you shouldn't comment on it. I thought it was going to be awful before I saw it and was pleasantly surprised.

One of the nice new aspects AOL brings to the character is a physicality that Jack didn't have. He's great with the action and stunts and gives the impression that he could throw somebody through a wall quite easily. Gives the McG character a different energy.

Added: Saturday 09 October 2010 09:01:48 PDT


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: NYC

Ha ha, Big Chicken cracked the da vinci code on that last post!

Added: Saturday 09 October 2010 07:55:52 PDT


Submitted by: Maxine
From: Brooklyn

Don't know about Danno being vegan, but McGarrett is apparently a vegetarian based upon the preferences he details in Sing a Song of Suspense. If Danno had ever dropped by his house Steve could have kept him well-fed with the figs, dates, wheat germ, etc. in his kitchen.

Added: Saturday 09 October 2010 07:50:36 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Gary Sinise?? Ugh. I don't know the other guy.

Pierce Brosnan, maybe. I admired the edge he gave to Bond. But he's not quite right either.

And as (I think it was RobScorpio) said, if they had tried to come up with a replacement Jack Lord, the traditionalist fans would still scream to high heaven.

Added: Saturday 09 October 2010 06:32:29 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Julie:

Alex is playing the role the way it is written. He does not get to tell the producers and the writers that he has to be king because that is not his job. Today an actor who tried to run things like Jack did would be fired. The story is written the way it is so that we can actually enjoy all the characters as real human beings and not God and his minions. Try that today and it would look unbelievable and it wouldn't make it past two episodes for today's kids.

You know what really gets me about you Julie? You have said quite clearly here that you have not watched one episode. Not one; online or otherwise.

You have said that "your friends" tell you and then you take Alex and say you have a problem with him in the role. I see that as totally unfair and shows me that you just don't want the show. It isn't Alex that ruins it for you; it is you that has decided the show is bad without watching. So at least don't diss Alex. Be honest and say you don't want the show because it is called H50. No other reason.

Added: Saturday 09 October 2010 02:30:32 PDT


Submitted by: JulieS
From: Australia

Since money is no object - I think Gary Sinise or Thomas Gibson would have made a good Steve McGarrett. I can also think of a couple of British actors that would be okay in the role as well.

The character of Steve McGarrett is someone who commands respect from his fellow workers and the criminals he has to deal with. AOL's casting as McGarrett is the main problem I have had with the new series ever since he was cast - somehow he just hasn't got that air of authority and I don't see the bad guys being that scared of him either.

Added: Saturday 09 October 2010 01:26:32 PDT


Submitted by: JulieS
From: Australia

Otto: the fact is, the original Danno was also vegan. It's documented in episose #541.

Which episode is that one? I know that in the season 5 episode "Will the Real Mr. Winkler Please Die?" (1729-0422), Danny is seen eating a hot dog and so I am guessing the episode you are talking about is after this one.

Added: Saturday 09 October 2010 01:06:55 PDT


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Circle Gets a Square

Recastin Jack Lord? Hey Rob, man, think you stumped the Chicken.

But as with the rules of Mr. Mike’s site, Chicken gonna ask for help from the GuestBook audience. And Chicken get to use one of his lifelines.

So we come to the central conundrum - if you can’t recreate McGarrett, how can you go about remakin Five-O? Jack is gone but Steve McGarrett is part of the popular mythology. Looks like there be a central flaw in the reboot DNA.

The character of Steve McGarrett was conceived as The Man, a force in his own right. Jack, with his actor’s studio-chops, was able to embody that character, and be The Man.

If you can’t be true to the original vision of this thing then what are these remakers doin at the table?

Hawaii Five-O is what it is. And the remake is What Is And What Should Never Be.

Added: Saturday 09 October 2010 01:00:09 PDT


Submitted by: RobertScorpio
From: San Diego

Sorry Otto, I can't do that. Every so called "true fan", of which I consider myself since I watched the show from way back like you did, can't isolate themselves from the truth. And the truth is simple; Jack ran that show. They were a team, but lets not kid ourselves and play word games okay about who is an isn't fan.

The guest stars knew this too. I had a very interesting conversation with Richard Hatch at comic-con here in San Diego about his guest stints on that show. The tension that was on that set was real, according to him, and it was coming from the top down, not the bottom up.

Now, having said that? I'm glad Jack did control the show because I have always believed that it was as good as it was because of Jack's perfectionism. And its because of the way that show was made is why this new show could never have found anyone to do what Jack did again, as actor and pseudo director/producer.

Rob

Added: Saturday 09 October 2010 00:44:57 PDT


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: NYC

Scorpio: I think you are wrong about Lord being the single factor. I know that real fans, such as Big Chick and Boris and myself, take the team as a whole. Sure, McG is holding it down, but no real fan discounts the contributions of the others, Ben, Che, Duke, Doc and all the gang. I mean, c'mon, it's FIVE-O!

Added: Saturday 09 October 2010 00:27:16 PDT


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: NYC

Big Chick would not want to remake it exactly as the original, i'm guessing, because that's absurd, and Chick knows it. The point is, "why remake it all???"

And i direct you to CBS.COM, click SHOWS, then click HAWAII FIVE-O, and FULL FATHOM FIVE begins. First season, first episode. The late great Kevin McCarthy comes in with, "WHOA, HO HO HO HO HO HO, beautiful. Well, are you ready?...."

Doesn't that say it all???

Added: Saturday 09 October 2010 00:20:22 PDT


Submitted RobertScorpio
From: San Diego

Read some of your other comments Big Chicken...

Perhaps we have a disconnect here. Let me put it to you this way. Steve McGarrett, as played by Jack, was so dominating of a character, and actor, none of his co-stars (and remember, Jack didn't even let McCarthur have co-starring credit)really mattered. Oh, you can pick moments here and there, but fact is; that show could have been called McGarrett, and was in syndication, because the show was really HIS show. You could say JACK LORD was the last of the so called "marquee" raised actors on TV.

Let me say again; the new show runners know this. And the power is with them, not with Jack, as it was in the 70s. There can never ever be another McGarrett like Jack Lord. Had they tried, we'd all be laughing. David Carruso is trying to channel Jack Lord and looks awful doing it. I can't wait to see who you try to cast your FIVEO with...good luck.

Rob

Added: Saturday 09 October 2010 00:18:11 PDT


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Pittsburgh

In "All The King's Horses" Danno brings a chicken sandwich brown bag lunch. However, he does switch with Mike Finney's daughter, as she brought a peanut butter sandwich. So we see Danno eat the peanut butter, but not the chicken sandwich! Just throwing my two cents in with the "was Danno a vegan" subplot.

Added: Saturday 09 October 2010 00:10:29 PDT


Submitted by: RobertScorpio
From: San Diego

Big Chicken...

Lets say you were at the helm of a new FIVEO tv show. And you decided to make it "exactly" like the original, because that is what you keep coming back to. I will even let you cast ANYONE in the role of McGarrett, I wont hold you to "budget" constraints.

Your version has to have McGarrett as he was played by Jack Lord. His suave, scene commanding presence. I want you to name me one, one will do, actor who could pull that roll off. I am telling you right now that there isn't one actor alive who could pull the McGarrett the way Jack did.

Shatner's Kirk was, IMO, easy to update because Kirk wasn't the only one on that show. Spock was his equal.

Danno, on the old show, in fact no one on the old show, was equal to Jack Lord, and that was by design.

So...you have your challenge. Recast Steve McGarrett the way we remember.

Rob

Added: Saturday 09 October 2010 00:07:58 PDT


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