The Hawaii Five-O Home Page Discussion Forum -- October 2010 (Part 1)


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Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: Hilo Hattie

Ed Flanders in UPTIGHT. Need we say more?

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 23:59:08 PDT


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Jet City

You hit it, Otto. Cutting edge stuff. That’s what makes the Five-O

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 23:55:48 PDT


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: NYC

I keep coming back to that scene in 'Doves and Herons' or whatever, where the late Vic Morrow makes that weird homosexual advance on the late John Ritter. Very Strange. And that's exactly what makes a good Five-O episode. Am I wrong?

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 23:50:44 PDT


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Central: Patch Me Through to McGarrett

True dat, Otto. Thousand Pardons gotta be in my top ten too. You said it right in your first post brudda, you gots to live the Five-O.

Everybody talk bout new Danno taking it to McG. But how bout ‘Time & Memories’ when J-Mac tell Steve to let him, Chin and Kono handle the case. That took balls, man, and was the right thing as Steve was hung up on his old girl.

Book em’ Danno!

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 23:44:19 PDT


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: NYC

Boris: the fact is, the original Danno was also vegan. It's documented in episose #541.

Big Chick: forget it, give it time, it will all even out and everybody will get back to reality. You know i'm with you %100... all the way down the line. But let's be patient with these people. Let's keep it to the real sh*t, like THOUSAND PARDONS, one of the all-timers!!!

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 23:26:11 PDT


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Outside The Box

Hey Heather, new Steve-O need not be a 60’s lawman Big Daddy, but he need be ‘Big Time.’ Archetypical heroes ain’t a 60s thing, it go back to the ancient Greeks.

Steve was The Man from day one, the dude that survived the Cocoon and answered only to God & the Govenur. But I agree, I loved the way Jack played him "high-octane" in the first season. No comparison to that. In contrast, season 3 he offered the full-on and added some more nuanced approaches. A man in full.

Down with you & Boris, really miss the patch-thru. I remember being almost passed out drunk in a NYC subway as a teenager. I was grippin my wallet in my right hand repeatin – Central: Patch Me Through To McGarrett. :D

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 23:11:11 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Big Chicken, the episodes you cite as "full-on" McG are from well along in the series. He developed into this kind of superhero character over time. To be honest, I prefer the McG from the first couple of seasons. He was less of a preachy blowhard. Plus his hair had not yet attained full rococo proportions and he was better-looking! Anyway, my point is that, if you're intent on making this comparison, it would be more appropriate to compare the new McG with the McG of the first 3 eps of the old show.

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 22:50:53 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Another similarity to the old show: I noted while rewatching "Cocoon" that the dead agent Hennessy hated Hawaii and couldn't swim, much like the new Danno, who can swim but doesn't like to.

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 22:33:39 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Boris- yes, that phone-call thing in the old show was a hoot. I actually thought, while watching this new show, that it's too bad they can't do that anymore. Also nobody ever needs to be "patched through". Sigh :)

Big Chicken- times have changed. We don't want or need a moralizing "Big Daddy To The World" lawman with 1960s attitudes. However I agree the writers need to do more with McG's character. He needs a mission. He could also use a few challenges. Danno is stealing the show because we get to see his conflicts and crises.

Dalen- I thought the football-game scene was perfectly fine (except for the lousy music) until the shooting part unfolded, whereupon it became disjointed and confusing. The same thing happened with the shootout at the gambling den.

The market chase was good stuff. McG crushing the guy into the pearl cart may be the most memorable moment of the new series up to now.

I also liked McG's little speech in the locker room about the kid feeling like nobody was going to do anything about his uncle's murder. That was like something Jack's McG might say.

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 22:22:40 PDT


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Hockey-less Sea-Town, Go Canucks!

Chicken dig debatin with you, Rob. You got the keen insights - most def.

But if the new Five-O for the kids, the kids deserve better, man.

They deserve the full-on, high-octane Steve McGarrett, the dude Wo Fat tortured who wouldn’t break, the man the Vashons couldn’t take out - not some watered down version.

I was a kid in the late 80s when I became a Five-O Head, and the Five-O I know had top-notch crime writing, cinematic production values, it was the quintessential PO-Leece show.

This new show got the name - but callin it Five-O Don’t make it so.

It’s ain’t much of a new take, Scorp’, if you lose the essence of what you takin on.

It’s like when Chin Ho tell Sgt. Simms in Thousand Pardons he’ll "Try to be more G.I." Well, these remakers should try an Be More Five-O.

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 22:13:31 PDT


Submitted by: boris
From: spfld, ma

You know what I love about McGarret? It's like he can be anywhere, and if the phone rings, it's for him! He then takes the phone like it's own house or office! I mean he could be at the governor's, the pentagon, a victim's house, the ER, or, as in the Secret Witness, even at the mob boss' house! How did Chin get that number anyway?! Nowadays they just pick up the friendly little electronic ring of a dainty personal cell phone. I guess it could be done in a cool way but it rarely is.

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 21:20:42 PDT


Submitted by: rob
From: cincinnati

The Bells Toll. One of the all time classics. The wave shot over the played record had me jumping up and down and I fell out. I had to run it back a few times. When Milton Seltzer fell outta that closet I just about came apart. A fan of White Heat, this episode really got me going.
Interesting story on how this episode got written too thanx. Still not feeling the new show at all.

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 21:02:28 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Well said, RobertScorpio. My point exactly.

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 20:54:48 PDT


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

According to the CBS new Five-0 website it's Kono... Mike posted a link to a columnist in Hawwaii it's Kona... everybody here it's Kono... episode three Grace Park says Kona... WTF?

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 20:51:21 PDT


Submitted by: Dalen Quaice
From: Burbank, CA, USA

To answer Boris' question about Danno being a vegan.

Veganism is a type of vegetarian diet that excludes meat, dairy products, eggs, and all other animal-derived ingredients.

Since Danno eats doughnuts (Malasadas) in Ep 2 of the series, and in the pilot script he is having a "pot pie" for dinner (a cut scene), he would appear not to be a vegan.

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 20:42:47 PDT


Submitted by: RobertScorpio
From: San Diego

Big Chicken...

My point is this; No one, and I mean no one, could have stepped into this new show and played McGarrett the way Jack did. Any attempt to do so would have been met with even more fury than this new version. You know it and I know it.

I think the producers knew this too, and that is why the show has taken a new direction with the McGarrett and the rest of the show. Someone said earlier that this new show is just using the title HAWAII FIVE O. That is a fair conclusion, and I agree.

But so what? McGarrett is different, Danno is different, KONO is a woman now and so is the governor. They are pretty much telling us to our face that this show is a new take on the old show. If our old fan base hasn't caught on to this, then there is nothing they will like about the new show if they continue to compare it to the old show, which the new show isn't aspiring to be.

But..the cold reality is simple; the show, so far, is a hit. And its a big hit with a demographic that probably has no idea what the old show was all about because most of them were born after or around the old show left the air. The fact they have thrown us old farts like showing us the old car is, I think, really cool.

This isn't our Hawaii Five O, its our kids. Remember that.

Rob

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 20:36:27 PDT


Submitted by: Maxine
From: Brooklyn

In "Pray Love Remember, Pray Love Remember" Ron Feinberg gets interrogated for nine full minutes (and brought back later for some further questioning). I was wondering if that's the longest interrogation in the entire H50 series. I know the original Dragnet in the '50s did a full hour episode that was all interrogation... pretty heavy stuff.

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 20:16:11 PDT


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Outside The Box

Scorpio said new producers "know they can't touch Jack Lord's McGarrett."

Big Chicken agree with that, Rob. But I would contend dialin down McGarrett is one of the fatal flaws of the new show.

The iconic character of Steve McGarrett, with his iron will & policin' skill was almost - to borrow that Navy tag-line – ‘a global force for good’ all by hisself.

The McGarrett I know is passionate in his convictions bout law & justice - as ideals. And man, he's seriously ruthless in enforcin them laws and pursuing that justice. He had to be, and you had to believe this was a cat who go up against a crime clan like the Vashons or an operator like Wo Fat.

Where is that Steve McGarrett, man? In the Five-Zero, he just another cop. Some reckless, petulant ex-military type. And that just don't make it for me.

I realize you and other old-school fans are down with the remake, and that’s cool. But I think the critique comin from us Old Guard is less "its too much like CSI" than - It Ain’t much like Hawaii Five-O.

I mean, you get past the theme song and the catch-phrase and there ain’t much left that’s very Five-O-esque.

I realize nobody gonna be Jack. That’s a given. But I liked Alex's work on Moonlight. If you gonna call a character Steve McGarrett than he gotta be Steve McGarrett, and the remakers should give Al his shot at portrayin that character.

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 19:24:09 PDT


Submitted by: boris
From: spfld, ma

Is it true on the remake Danno is a vegan?

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 17:18:53 PDT


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Chicago

Mr. Mike: I watched the football scene two or three times on my HD big screen TV. Still couldn't make out what McGarrett said to Grace after "Uncle Chin" introduced himself. Grace asks Chin if he was a football player, too and he says that he used to be a quarterback for the red team. Well, I finally watched the football scene on my computer at the CBS site. I could clearly hear McGarrett say, "He was a legend, too, until I came along and shattered all his records." They he and Grace fist-bumped. I'm basically technology-challenged but it made me wonder why I could clearly and immediately understand what he said on the computer but not on TV. Hmmm.....

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 15:31:01 PDT


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: NYC

Rick: "at least we used to when we actually discussed the original."

HA HA, so true, i find myself scrolling quickly down the page, hoping to find comments about HAWAII FIVE-O!

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 15:13:45 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

LOL

I like ice hockey but it has been awhile since I attended a live game.I bet you could school me very well there! :)

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 15:09:07 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver Canucks town

Dear Keeping, I got the part about gouging eyes out no problem, since it came through loud and clear. I don't think the unintelligible "Glad she's on our team" line really was too football-specific, though. Tell you what, if there is ever a show where hockey factors in to the plot (don't laugh, see www.icepalacehawaii.com/), I will be glad to assist you if there is something you don't understand. ;)

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 14:45:47 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike, the anal-yst
From: Vancouver

Dalen, I hear you about the ineptitude of the editing of the shooting sequence from the football game (I'm not even considering any of the other things you mentioned like music and so forth). I already indicated in my review the "topography" of this sequence left a lot to be desired, which is a fancy way of saying you don't know where people are in relation to each other from one shot to the next. I actually isolated this sequence and burned it to a DVD so I could study it more carefully (I feel like I am analyzing the action on the Grassy Knoll or something).

In this sequence, there are two gangsters, one with a black shirt and one with a brown shirt. Both of them enter the stadium together, then it seems like brown shirt is going off to his left. You see Danno following black shirt, but then black shirt and brown shirt are together again. A subsequent shot shows brown shirt behind the uncle (the intended assassination victim), then another shot from behind where you can see the director wants to get brown shirt with the uncle in front of him with Junior, the quarterback (who knows what is going down), in front of the uncle. At this point, brown shirt is behind the uncle's right shoulder, but in the next shot from the front, you see McGarrett with black shirt in front of him (between McGarrett and the uncle, who is on the right of the screen), and when the camera pans to the right, you can't see brown shirt at all. As brown shirt draws his gun, Danno yells at him. The black shirt guy is still between McGarrett and the uncle, now pointing his gun, so you would expect McGarrett to just shoot black shirt dead, but he doesn't do this, and black shirt seems to totally vanish into thin air and escape (this is the guy later tackled at the International Marketplace), even in the long shot which shows the entire scene with people freaking out.

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 14:34:26 PDT


Submitted by: Sylvia
From: Pembroke Pines, FL, USA

Crime wave on the set of the new show? Maybe that's what happened to good music on the show - somebody stole it! :D

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 14:13:48 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

A friend e-mails me with regard to this sound issue:

That audio mix is a serious problem. For me, the surround sound channels (music, background noise) is cranked up higher than the center channel dialogue, creating a sound mix that makes it very difficult to hear what the characters are saying in scenes like the football game, where there is lots of music (when is there not any music in that show??) and background voices. They really need to fix this, as I don't notice it on other current shows--and it's not my TV that's the problem. It's either something on the production's end, or CBS' broadcasting end, but I'm assuming the production company mixes the audio in post-production for Dolby 5.1 surround sound. I'm not an audio engineer, but I've worked with editors in an editing bay watching them do the post-production sound mixing on videos.

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 13:39:12 PDT


Submitted by: Dalen Quaice
From: Burbank, CA, USA

Regarding the football scene in Ep 3: I found it horribly done. The photography, the editing, the location sound, the music, the writing, the acting, the makeup, and the wardrobe. Just total and complete junk, IMHO. IF I were grading that in filmmaking class (which I used to teach, btw), I would give it an F. I really don't think this new team has a clue, but I'm still watching it to see if they don't read some of these comments and make some changes.

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 13:37:25 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Mike:

I just listened to the part you had trouble understanding where they are at the football game. Steve says, "Glad she's on our team."

Kono was yelling at the ref that he should call a face mask penalty on the opposing player because she said he was trying to gouge a kid's eyes out.

I heard that pretty clearly, but then again, being an avid Charger football fan,and going to live games a lot, that talk is common and very TYPICAL if you go to games.Some of the understanding might simply come from unfamiliarity with things like football. I don't know, just guessing, but I never had any problem with that part. The only thing I remember not understanding was the one word or two the quarterback said in the locker room that was discussed earlier. But I got the gist of the convo and those two words didn't ruin that.
I watch soap operas,which are done mostly on sound stages without any location noises,and I come across one or two words a week that I can't understand, even when I play back the tape. I just see it as part of the whole experience. Being on location amplifies that problem a hundred fold.

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 13:05:52 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Elaine, the episode titles are all in Hawaiian:

Pilot: no title

Episode 1.01: OHANA

Episode 1.02: MALAMA KA AINA

Episode 1.03: LANAKILA

Episode 1.04:NALOWALE

Episode 1.05:KO'OLAULOA

Episode 1.06:MANA'O

Episode 1.07: HO'APONO

Episode 1.08: PO'IPU

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 12:50:58 PDT


Submitted by: Maxine
From: Brooklyn

One line of dialogue from Season 9 totally mystified me: in "Requiem for a Saddle Bronc Rider" when Rod Aiu playing the rodeo clown explains why he let the bull loose to kill Jessup he says something I had to rewind & replay five times & still didn't get - which thanks to the subtitles is "He needed dyin'." It's not an audio problem, it's just a strange line delivered oddly. Actually I come across moments of miscomprehension fairly rarely in the original series. Generally speaking, I think elocution was better in the old days, or at least more emphasis was put upon it.

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 11:02:10 PDT


Submitted by: RobertScorpio
From: The Glass House on Fifth Street

The fatal fall!!!

It didn't happen too much, but when it did, it was dramatic. People falling to their death from a skyscraper, usually a hotel I guess, in the old show.

My favorite is the one where Lorreta Swift is sent out on a ledge to lure her husband into the open and he gets shot and falls to his death!!!

I want to know when we will see that, if ever, in the new show. I bet the censors might not let us see that in the new show. What do you all think?

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 10:26:18 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Subconscious (perhaps) link to the old show:

In #3 of the new series, the guy who gets knocked off (the "uncle") has a name like Manu Sapoa.

In the last show of season 10 of the old series, Manu Tupou appeared playing the kumu (Hawaiian Mafia) boss Cappy Pahoa.

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 10:16:41 PDT


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

ring... great scene in the hotel room when he tells Marty he "got caught" once... Marty asked if it changed things with his wife. The look on his face as he paused, then slowly responds... "No, not really. It didn't change anything" ...classic!

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 10:14:35 PDT


Submitted by: Hans
From: Boston

I meant to add I'm spolied by DVD's and HBO. The volume of commercials in 2010 really stink. 51 minutes was the perfect length to make a great show.

Just thought of another audio blooper from somewhere in first 4 seasons. Kono is staking out in the car and when he talks on the radio, it's Chin's voice! (or was it the other way around?) It was priceless! Love that stuff...

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 10:01:51 PDT


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"But what about the guy who announces 'Mr. Hardware'? A hell of man in his own right!" -- Oh I loved that guy! Herb Vigran, who played Marty's hardware-salesman friend, has me cracking up just with his facial expressions alone..LOL! Those Spock-like bushy eyebrows and that cross-eyed look of his is just classic!! Loved the scene between him and Marty in the hotel room. And doesn't he suggest that Marty should pack up and leave for Alaska when Marty asks him what to do? Funny guy..lol.

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 09:57:56 PDT


Submitted by: Hans
From: Boston

I love the new Kono, actually like all 4 of them just fine. Is anyone loving this show more than James MacArthur?

My biggest complaints of new show are 1) the music sucks 2) too much loud rapid gun fire and explosions 3) the frantic head spinning pace at times 4) the lack of
momentum due to nearly 20 minutes of commercials.

Most of it is more my dislike for modern TV and I have not an ounce of "they ruined my favorite show" in me.

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 09:56:57 PDT


Submitted by: Steven
From: Miami

Mr. Mike: I click the bejeesus out of your Amazon.com links in checking Five-O DVD prices on a daily basis, so I hope the resulting "chump change" ;) you're earning is enough for you to start two guestbooks: one for each show!

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 09:41:17 PDT


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

We nit-pick the original Five-0 to death here... at least we used to when we actually discussed the original.

Some of you newbies need to go back and read the archived pages. Learn what this site is about. You're embarrassing yourselves. (Outrage at Big Chicken's post would be a good example)

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 09:24:20 PDT


Submitted by: RobertScorpio
From: San Diego

The only complaints I have heard about the sound on this new show is here. Most of the reviews I have read, and I have read many, do not mention the sound quality at all. They do mention that the pace of the show is a bit quick, but that is a style complaint. I have had no sound issues. I am sure some of you have, but it doesn't to seem to be causing much of a problem with the general audience.

As for sound issues on the old show? From this point on I will "listen" for them. But there have been times in the past when either the dubbing is off, and that happened many times, or on some of the location shoots the wind gusts and a word is muffled. No show can escape sound issues, or boom-mics being seen in the shadows or reflected in windows. Its part of the hassle of making TV shows using location filming.

The technology today is vastly superior to what they were doing in the early 70s, at least IMO. The sound quality of the old show was good for its time, but isn't nearly as good as the new show's. That is my opinion of course, but I stand by it.

I have seen CSIs, I have seen NCISs, and shows like 24, and I can honestly say that I like this new show for, it appears, the reasons most of you dont (Danno/McGarrett bickering...pace...sex/change for Kono.)

Do I like it more than the original? No. IMO, it comes down to the star of the show. Jack Lord. And, as I said in another post, I think the makers of the show realize this too. They say they are fans of the old show. So, if they are, then they know they can't touch Jack Lord's McGarrett, so this new one has to be more of a Jack Bauer/buddy kind of guy with Danno. And I can live with that.

Rob

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 09:23:00 PDT


Submitted by: Hans
From: Boston

"The phrase about throwing rocks as glass houses really has merit here."

yeah but there are plenty of fans who throw rocks at and poke fun at the original too, especially Mr Mike. And I recall he pointed out a sound issue on a show, early season I think when the crew arrives at a crime scene the sound is crazy loud, you can hear the wind blowing the trees much louder than it should have been...

on an unrelated issue, on one of the DVD's out of nowhere pops a scene from another episode, it's when a man and a woman hustler are driving down the street, I think with a briefcase full of jewels. It only lasts a few seconds but it's the craziest thing. Not sure if it was on the original broadcasts or a DVD glitch.

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 09:17:30 PDT


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Pittsburgh

In his autobiography, Erik Estrada mentions sound quality in "Engaged to be Buried," the episode in which he guest-starred. If I remember correctly, there was either wind or surf interference, so he had to fly back to Hawaii to re-do the vocalizations.

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 08:51:50 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike, more annoyed
From: Vancouver

"I think people are nitpiking this sound issue far too much."

Huh? This issue has only come up in a few posts during the last day. It's not like we have to call Jonathan Kaye or something...

"There are many episodes of the orignal show that sound was an issue."

Give some examples.

"I think when people resort to nitpiking tech issues of a story they are really reaching."

Anything that prevents someone from understanding the show (or even LIKING THE SHOW) is fair game for discussion. If you can't understand what is being said (and some of the stuff being said is crucial to the plot of the show), this is a big problem. This is not "nitpicking." Comparing this to the use of stock shots and the same actors in succeeding episodes of the old show is an entirely different matter.

Robert Orci wants suggestions about how to improve the show, doesn't he? Certain people around here want the show to succeed, don't they? Despite the fact that their opinions mean nothing as far as ratings are concerned, older fans should be able to develop an appreciation for the new show, shouldn't they?

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 08:17:43 PDT


Submitted by: Dalen Quaice
From: Burbank, CA, USA

According to the broadcast subtitles, McGarrett says, "Ah, glad she's on our team," to Chin at the beginning of the football game in Ep 3. The music, if you can call it that, is WAY too loud in that scene to the point of drowning out the actor's voices.

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 08:06:34 PDT


Submitted by: RobertScorpio
From: Port Charles

Sorry Mike, but I'm with KEEPING IT REAL on this one. I think people are nitpiking this sound issue far too much. There are many episodes of the orignal show that sound was an issue. Whether is was wind causing the problem, or bad audio, but it did happen back then and I contend it probably happened more.

I think when people resort to nitpiking tech issues of a story they are really reaching. I mean, how many times did the old show use stock footage of McGarrett driving his old car when he had already switched to the new one? Or used the same stock shot of that computer room where they printed up those computer index cards. I swear that same stock shot was in three straight episodes. If we stoop to going after a show's tech (sound and video) then, by pure volume, the old show had more of these issues popping up.

Going after story elements, or character stuff, is okay IMO. These are far more important issues than the sound quality. The phrase about throwing rocks as glass houses really has merit here.

Rob

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 07:50:43 PDT


Submitted by: KD MCG
From: Stop cutting corners...

Mr. Mike-the cranky,

Have to concur with you-absolutely right on. The pace doesn't help either-i keep close captioning on when I watch-not because I have any issues, but because it really makes it easier. It is very strange for a show that has spent millions on marketing to cut corners. The original used film rather than the digital approach... :!cry:

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 07:45:27 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike, the Cranky
From: Vancouver

Keeping It Real, wanting to be able to hear what is being spoken on a TV show is not "nitpicking." Someone made a conscious decision to give the actors certain words. Then someone else made a conscious decision to select a certain take of the scene (assuming there was more than one). And someone made a conscious decision to mix the sound in a certain way. The point is 1 + 1 + 1 does not add up to three in the examples under discussion.

(You want another example? How about the beginning where McGarrett says something to Chin Ho about Kono yelling at the football game. It's obvious it's something meaning "Your cousin has a great set of lungs," but I can't figure out what he is saying.)

We are not talking about what I call "Stephen Spielberg dialogue," where people are muttering stuff related to the scene (typically military jargon and other nonsense), the sole point of which is not to provide exposition or reveal anything substantial about what is going on, but just to establish atmosphere. Considering the new Five-O has recently just over 41 minutes to present its case, EVERY SINGLE WORD and EVERYTHING THAT YOU SEE ON SCREEN counts ... or it should.

This is not an issue about "age" or "the way young people talk these days." I could pull the "age" excuse myself, or maybe the fact that I was watching the show after 10 p.m. when I might fall asleep in front of the TV (like Hans mentioned here recently). But I was watching the show (without commercials) at 9 p.m., having downloaded it, and I was not hearing the sound come out of a small TV speaker, but out of my stereo system at reasonably loud volume. I later downloaded a version of the show which has Dolby Digital sound which is as good as it gets as far as TV audio is concerned, and this did not make some of the examples any clearer.

Typically people watching a TV show do not have the option of suddenly stopping the show and rewinding it a few seconds to figure out what someone said. The way most people watch TV shows is from Point A (the beginning) to Point B (the end). You can't expect people's attention levels to constantly be jerked around. There has to be some kind of "lowest common denominator" where things are either understood or they are not. (I found The X-Files, another show that I followed religiously -- at least for its first 5 years, when it was filmed in Vancouver -- to suffer from these problems as well.) Or are we talking about Five-O being "a typical crappy TV show where who cares about what is being said because that is not important"?

As far as your comment about "was there never anything that you didn't understand in the old show," I would invert your usual argument about "give the new show time" here and say "Of course there were moments in the old show where the dialogue was incomprehensible." After all, we are talking about 278 shows versus THREE! I have devoted a lot of time and energy to finding these moments, and I'm sure there are a lot more, though in my experience with the old show, it is more likely that the people were talking quite clearly, and the scripts were the problem as far as comprehensibility was concerned.

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 07:31:41 PDT


Submitted by: Elaine
From: Watertown, MA

Just watched my tape of the 3rd episode from the new Five-O and have to admit that watching it a second time, I found it to be a little better, but overall I agree with many that this show continues to disappoint. Pepe, you got it right when you said it was Lethal Weapon Five...McG and Danno's characters are Riggs and Roger for sure...McG is too much of a loose canon like Riggs...always putting his partner in danger. Letting the QB go after he illegally acquired a gun sent a very bad message and putting the guy into a shark cage was stupid, too. What if the guy had a heart-attack? The producers should never have called this reboot HFO. It bears no resemblance to the iconic original. But undoubtedly some people will love this show because it is a remake of Lethal Weapon, Die-Hard, 24, etc...and realism doesn't need to exist for 40minutes every Monday night. The music, the sound quality, the filming...are all poor..and why don't these episodes have titles?

Mr. Mike, how can you dis Hans Zimmer? Last Sunday I watched the World Equestrian Games and the Grand Prix Freestyle. The winner was Edward Gal on a horse named Moorlands T...today considered the best dressage horse in the world! His freestyle was awesome to watch and his music was (wait for it!) Pirates of the Caribbean!...one of my all-time favorite scores! Zimmer is a great composer, like John Barry, Jerry Goldsmith, James Horner, Elmer Bernstein...their music is full of passionate intensity! Great scores make great movies or TV series!

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 06:56:58 PDT


Submitted by: Dalen Quaice
From: Burbank, CA, USA

About the audio quality in the new show -- Yes, I had troubles understanding the dialog in Ep3. It seems to me they have problems with the wireless mics they are using to record the actors or with the audio mix (or both). I think they are skimping on the quality of the microphones to save a few bucks... to my ear it sounds a bit like the interference tube comb filtering of the mic they are using picking up nearby reflective surfaces.

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 06:55:08 PDT


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

http://tinyurl.com/32an3cs ...:!bandit:

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 06:37:36 PDT


Submitted by: RobertScorpio
From: Lidsville

Sorry for the grammer issue in that last post..I'm working on three hours of sleep....yikes.

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 05:54:40 PDT


Submitted by: RobertScorpio
From: Cestus III

Keeping it Real;
I've was born in San Diego, and have lived in Mira Mesa since 1978. You wouldn't believe how much it has grown in that time. We just had the BLUE ANGELS here this past weekend, which is always a blast to watch.

Someone just gave a great review to season 10's opening, so there is another reason to get it the moment I walk into my local BARNES AND NOBLE and find it there. I think MIKE is estimating January or so.

Alright...here's one for you folks. Of the nine seasons available now on DVD, which is your favorite "box cover". They all have JACK LORD the front cover, and I assume they are taken from the season they come with, though I could be wrong. So which one is your favorite? I went with Season 6 my wife is voting for Season 1's cover.

Rob

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 05:53:29 PDT


Submitted by: John
From: Pennsylvania

Jack Lord was the epitome of cool. Remember these lines?

"Aloha....Aloha Suckers!"
"The name is McGarrett and the title is mister!"

I don't know who wrote the lyrics, but Sammy Davis, Jr. recorded words to the Hawaii Five-o theme song entitled, "You Can Count on Me":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn06KJNbVEs&feature=related

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 05:51:04 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Keeping it Real: Thank you for the transcript. The part I couldn't get was the bit about the governor while they were walking down the hall in the two-shot. I had already figured it out, though.

This isn't nitpicking. If they have sound-recording issues, they should know about it. It's only in certain shots.

I wonder if it's related to the digital technology they're using.

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 04:43:18 PDT


Submitted by: Steve
From: UK

On the subject of themes; there were a number of great ones. The season 2&3 theme as well as that used for 5&6 was both excellent. Likewise, Season 9 and, for me, the best thing about Season 10 is the sterling arrangement used over the main titles. Guess I'd rate Season 7 as pretty bland, but this pales into insignificance when compared to the lame effort used in the original show's final season - horribly synthesised and cheap sounding..

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 04:33:07 PDT


Submitted by: Sylvia
From: Pembroke Pines, FL, USA

Actually, I don't mind Sabrina Scharf overall; she was excellent in "F.O.B. Honolulu" as the evil Nicole Fleming. It's just that scene in "40 Feet High" where she goes off that irritates me.......

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 03:55:55 PDT


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: NYC

Big City Gal: Check out ONE FOR THE MONEY. McG kicks a door, not just in, but completely off its hinges and into the room. Improbable move even for him, but great!

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 03:26:08 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

RobertScorpio:

I grew up in San Diego and know Mira Mesa very well. My Dad (now deceased) was one of the first heart and lung surgeons in San Diego when we moved there in 1955 from Boston, where I was born and where he had been studying medicine.(I was 4 months old.)He worked all the hospitals in the area and eventually became Chief of Staff at Scripps Memorial Hospital in La Jolla. My son goes to UCSD and lives right off of Nobel Drive. Nice to meet you!

Added: Friday 08 October 2010 02:43:56 PDT


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Seattle, Home of Toomey and Lew

Thanx for the feedback, Mr. Mike. You the source an resource, as always. Big Chick was always kinda sweet on Officer Wells. I’ll hafta be workin up my nerve to contact her directly.

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 23:59:58 PDT


Submitted by: RobertScorpio
From: Mira Mesa California

After years of watching Trek fans like myself battle over which one was the best (TOS-TNG-DS9-Voyager and Enterprise) I have come to the conclusion that reboots or follow-ups can never please everyone. Its just the nature of who and what we are.

If anything I hope we can agree on is that the new show will bring jobs to our friends who live in Hawaii. I am former military and I loved the times I went there, and made friends with some locals who were hit hard by the recession. I hope a new crop of tourist and the business they bring will start flooding hawaii very soon.

Rob

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 22:55:20 PDT


Submitted by: keeping It Real
From: LA

Heather Rose:(The conversation between Steve and Danno in the hallway):
" Did you speak to the governor about my custody issue?"
"Governor doesn't discuss her business with me.
Might have heard something about StepStan building a new hotel and, uh,you need government approval for that."

"Thank you."

"Let me ask you something.How far deep did you have to dig, I mean,how much of your soul did you just lose by actually appreciating me?"
"Ah, measuring."

"Right. Maybe you're not as alone around here as you think----Danno."

Sorry guys. This was clear and we are now nitpicking. I also didn't understand exactly what the quarterback said in the locker room, but then, I can't tell you how many shows I watch that that happens to me all the time. I chalk it up to old age on my part or the way kids talk and it happens with my son all the time.
It never happened in 12 years on the old H50, where you didn't understand a few words? Please.

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 22:36:56 PDT


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: The Box

Rob, thought they did a good job makin light of macho Steve in that Season 8 ep where Sandi Wells is his driver.

Hey Mr. Mike - would you know – why didn’t they think of addin Sandi Wells to the Season 12 squad?

Thought she woulda made a better substitute Danno than Weathed-Will Smith’s lethargic Rod "Kimo" Karew. She had good chemistry with Jack and she certainly easy on the eyes. Don’t know if anything coulda saved Season 12 but that woulda made for a different dynamic. A fresh take, if you will...no?

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 22:11:55 PDT

Mr. Mike comments: No. Amanda McBroom has her own WWW site, why don't you ask >her<?


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Mike - yes, I had difficulty understanding some of the dialogue in the last episode. Especially the bit at the end where McG and Danno are walking down the hall and McG is informing D how he pulled strings with the governor. I couldn't get the last part of what he said at all - had to listen to it several times to decipher it. I noted that their footfalls in the hall were quite loud but the dialogue was not.

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 22:06:00 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

David Caruso - one of my least favorite actors. I always wonder how he keeps getting work.

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 22:01:46 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Did anyone else find some of the dialogue in the third show incomprehensible? For example, McGarrett and Danno are interviewing Junior Satele, the quarterback, after the game. McGarrett says "Tell us where can we find the man who shot your uncle." Junior replies, "International Marketplace ... the guys that did this ... they just started using the store [training? mumble mumble] to fund their meth business." There were other instances of this during the show as well. I still can't understand what Junior said in this sentence, despite listening to it many times. You shouldn't have to watch the show with Closed Captioning on! I also thought the transition to the marketplace in the next scene was too abrupt.

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 22:00:52 PDT


Submitted by: Judy Alcover
From: Stockton, Ca

My husband and I were really happy that five o was coming back on air. The only thing that keeps us from watching further episodes is the constant bickering between Dano and McGarret. It feels like they are constantly trying to out do each other. Waste of time. The writers could inject more positive dialogue. This is supposed to be a better show than the original but it is really childish and unprofessional in my opinion. :!cry:

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 21:44:29 PDT


Submitted by: Big City Gal
From: NYC

Favorite McGarrett moment...

Anytime Steve kicked in a door.

It was such a bad ass move! Loved it!

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 21:28:15 PDT


Submitted by: RobertScorpio
From: Port Chuck

I like those BIG CHICKEN!!! Yes, Jack sure knew how to carry himself on FIVE-0. Last year my friend forced me to watch an episode of CSI, the one with David Carruso? I laughed because it was obvious to me he was trying to channel his inner "Jack Lord" and it just didn't work.

I wonder how N.O.W. viewed McGarrett in the 70s? He was kind of, well, you know what I mean, towards women but it comes off so cool and suave. But I'm a guy, so maybe women wouldn't like that sort of thing today, but oh well...

Rob

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 21:05:17 PDT


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Seattle, Home of Toomey and Lew

Hey Rob, my Main McGarrett Moment gots to be when seethin Steve carves Chin’s name in that lawyers desk blotter. That was just electric, stunning - "Chin Ho Kelly, you remember that name"

Or we was just talkin on when he’s got Charlie Bombay & Marty Sloan in the office. That’s truly some a Steve’s best moralizin n’ speechifyin: "he’s a cancer that feeds on society, you think you can close your eyes to what he is and what he does."

And facin down those mainland mobsters at the airport, with Danno bookin Johnny Oporta.

"You tell your friends in Detroit the deal is off -Permanently."

The way McGarrett Walks the Walk through the airport, with the crowd watchin in awe as he passes by em. He’s like a 70s law enforcement rock n’ roll star. The epitome a cool, man

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 20:32:34 PDT


Submitted by: RobertScorpio
From: WSB Headquarters

What was your favorite McGarrett moment?

One of mine, and I think its in the audio section of Mike's site, is when McGarrett says..and I may butcher it..but here it goes...

"No Vashon, I shot him" And then he points at Vashon "You killed him. You and his grandfather 25 years ago!"

Wow, McGarrett tells it like it is, right to Vashon..I dug that! That scene would be blasted by civil rights groups if McGarrett did that today.

So..what are some of your favorite McGarrett moments?

Rob

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 19:40:50 PDT


Submitted by: RobertScorpio
From: Port Charles

Sabrina Scharf's best performance, IMO, isn't in HAWAII FIVE-O but in STAR TREK where she plays Kirk's Native American wife. When she dies, its pretty sad.

The building the new FIVEO team uses...isn't it the same one Cameron Mitchell and the Riddler used in that episode with a fake FIVEO team?

Rob

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 19:27:51 PDT


Submitted by: JulieS
From: Australia

I think a lot of the character development in the original series came through a non-verbal way. The reactions to things or situations told us a lot about the characters without the need for words.

I also like how we got hints about the characters throughout the years. For the episode guide I am doing on the show, I have a character guide section where I am putting information I have gotten from different episodes. It is far from finished but as you will see there is a lot of direct and indirect information given about each of the main characters throughout the years.

http://www.tvfavourites.net/hawaii/cast1.html

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 18:43:21 PDT


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: NYC

Chick, Ring: Marty Sloane rules, especially in the opening scene where he comments on the ice cubes, twice, and then admits his nervousness. (Hey i'd have been nervous too, but i'd do my best to get over it!). But what about the guy who announces 'Mr. Hardware'? A hell of man in his own right!

As for Sabrina Scharf, i first saw her in the commune scene in EASY RIDER, a great movie. Also in an earlier movie, HELL'S ANGELS ON WHEELS. Her characters always have a not-quite-right quality, which is interesting. And she was certainly easy on my old eyes!

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 17:20:49 PDT


Submitted by: Hans
From: Boston

I agree with you RobertScorpio that season 9 intro theme was one of the best. The drums sound great on that one. There is a prominent counterpart or rhythm going on not heard on the others as much or at all.

Not sure when the electric drums came into play but when I was a kid watching and I heard it I braced myself for a crappy episode. Was that 10, 11 or 12?

I thought it didn't change for 1 or 2 seasons, so there were maybe 10 versions total? And I thought the DVD's were acurate Mr Mike? Maybe not? Talking intro only.

I need to listen to and compare all and put them in order. ;)

Think 2 was better than 1 and recall liking season 7 a lot while season 8 was kind of bland, one of the least good ones...

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 17:00:41 PDT


Submitted by: Dalen Quaice
From: Burbank, CA, USA

2nd season opening theme is the best IMHO.

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 16:08:17 PDT


Submitted by: Steven
From: Miami

"Now..since SIMON AND SIMON appeared on MAGNUM PI. And Magnum mentioned FIVE O from time to time, and also appeared on Murder She Wrote..does that mean they all take place in the same expanded universe? And if so, could you imagine how cool it would have been if WOFAT had turned up on MURDER SHE WROTE?"

An interesting take on crossovers and fiction can be found at this link. Part of it mentions how a character that crosses over to one show cannot "bring along" another. So, Magnum, which crossed over with Simon & Simon, can't "bring" S&S to Five-O by virtue of Magnum having crossed over with Five-O. Make sense?

http://bit.ly/bjKuG6

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 15:53:02 PDT


Submitted by: RobertScorpio
From: WSB Headquarters

I really liked the change of pace "opening" credits music for season nine. Instead of the usual drum roll, they used what sounded like a large sounding base-drum, but not in a standard drum roll. It was different and I liked it.

I think the absolute worse version is the one where they used the terrible surrounding electric drums. Think this is the version they used in season 12...it's just awful.

One of the versions, either season 7 or 8, the 'island' sounding drum provides a great back beat to the second half of the theme song...

I also want to say that I am glad JACK LORD never changed his 'pivot' in the opening credits. He is so smooth in that pivot, that IMO, it is one of the hallmarks of that opening title sequence.

Rob

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 15:39:51 PDT


Submitted by: Maxine
From: Brooklyn

"LA LA LA LA LA LA" sounds like someone trying to sing the theme song! But seriously, this is interesting because I was just searching the home page last night trying to check how many versions there were & was surprised not to find the answer. I would guess about six. I always notice the change in the drumming & percussion first, but there are all kinds of subtle changes from version to version.

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 15:37:49 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Speaking of the theme music (for the original show), there is this ongoing discussion about which is the "best" version of the theme. Every time someone starts talking about this issue, I put my hands over my ears and go "LA LA LA LA LA LA." But it is time to confront this. What is meant by "theme" in this case? Are we talking about the theme under the main titles or the end titles, or both? And how many times did this theme change? It is difficult to know when listening to the DVDs, because they reportedly used the same version of the theme for several seasons, which does not reflect what actually happened in the show. It may be difficult to get satisfactory renderings of the different versions of the theme, first because they will probably not be on pitch because the show is often sped up, and second, because typical end credits on a local station have some announcer making some blab about upcoming programs as the music plays.

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 15:17:31 PDT


Submitted by: RobertScorpio
From: Port Charles

Although some of the titles of the old show are funny, I still like the gall of even going with them. "BOMB BOMB, WHO'S GOT THE BOMB"...you gotta love it because it is so silly.

Now..since SIMON AND SIMON appeared on MAGNUM PI. And Magnum mentioned FIVE O from time to time, and also appeared on Murder She Wrote..does that mean they all take place in the same expanded universe? And if so, could you imagine how cool it would have been if WOFAT had turned up on MURDER SHE WROTE?

I think, without a doubt, the strangest episode of FIVE-O is the one with Slim Pickens and Bo Hopkins and their whacko family. I had totally forgotten how warped that episode was, so when my family and I watched it when it came out on DVD, at the end we had the same collective conclusion; what the heck was that???

Even Jack Lord, at the end of the episode, seems to have a look of "did we really film that kind of episode" on that face.

Rob

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 15:13:15 PDT


Submitted by: Maxine
From: Brooklyn

Ah yes, THE PAGODA FACTOR. I think of titles like this as Robert Ludlum-style titles. Other examples include THE GUARNERIUS CAPER and THE MOROVILLE COVENANT.

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 14:59:11 PDT


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NY, NY

Stupidest episode title:
Several I have:
BOMB BOMB, WHO'S GOT THE BOMB?
THE KAHUNA
THE PAGODA FACTOR
R & R---& R
PRAY LOVE REMEMBER PRAY LOVE REMEMBER

Best Titles:
YESTERDAY DIED AND TOMORROW WON'T BE BORN
HOOKMAN
V FOR VACHON
AND THEY PAINTED DAISIES ON HIS COFFIN
THE 90 SECOND WAR
A LION IN THE STREETS

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 14:17:10 PDT


Submitted by: Hans
From: Boston

oops, I meant she was the profs assistant, not he... doe'h!

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 14:10:28 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

I agree that some views into the characters' personal lives are desirable and necessary, and I'm happy with that element being a running subplot. I was irritated by the last episode, though, in which Danno's custody woes (already well-established in the first two episodes) took up a large amount of time, yet no mention was made of McG's dad's mystery. It was as if McG had forgotten about it.

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 12:12:26 PDT


Submitted by: Hans
From: Boston

I thought Sabrina Scharf was one of the top 5-0 babes of all time, loved her in 40 Feet High. Top shelf episode, the variation of the theme song when Steve pulls up to the beach with her was pure sexy…don’t recall every hearing it before or since….

when Steve was told he was the prof’s "assistant" he says mutters "prettier than mine I’d say" it just floored me…

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 12:07:34 PDT


Submitted by: RobertScorpio
From: San Diego

I don't think its any secret that much of what we could have learned about Danno, and the others, on the old show, didn't happen because Jack Lord squashed it from happening. That is why I think McCarthur likes the knew show. The supporting characters, this time around, are going to get backstorys. Some of you don't seem to want backstorys, but I am glad they are doing them.

Now, they may go to far with it, but right now, at the start of this new version, I applaud their efforts to get the general public to like these new characters and apparently its working; and James McCarthur is one of them.

And as for all of this "its too much like CSI" complaining? What were you people watching in the 1970s? Many many many many many many episodes of FIVE-O have Steve in Chey's office learning something new. Chey was a one man CSI team, but his reason for being there was for the same reason they use CSI stuff today; to move the plot along.

I saw this same kind of bashing when the new TREK movie came out last year. I liked the new TREK movie, and I am a die hard STAR TREK fan. I am glad they changed things around, had Spock/Uhura together and things like that. Had they just copied the old show, then the producers would have been bashed for that.

The new Hawaii Five-0 will never be as good as the original. I think they realize that the star of the show, the new McGarrert, is good, but will never have the same presense that Jack Lord did. So, to get around this, they are making the other character more important to the show, and this is effident with Danno's ex-wife backstory. James McCarthur liked it, I liked it, and a whole new generation of fans seem to like it too.

Mission accomplished...

Rob

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 11:51:43 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

I've opened my own little H50-related blog:

http://bit.ly/9EBsVZ

I have some erudite friends who are also big Five-0 fans from way back, and who might be induced to comment. We've been having lively email conversations about the new show.

You are all welcome to visit and share your opinions :)

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 11:47:21 PDT


Submitted by: Steven
From: Miami

RE: Character Backstory

I prefer this in dribs and drabs, leaving much of McGarrett and Danny's history in shadow. The original show gave us tantalizing glimpses via computer printouts, expositional dialogue, and brief mentions by the characters themselves. I'd rather piece together what little they give us and imagine the rest. I much prefer enjoying their interactions with one another rather than having various screenwriters stumble over continuity of character history.

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 11:25:11 PDT


Submitted by: Sylvia
From: Back to the place where classic TV rules.....

RobertScorpio - a General Hospital fan from those halcyon early 1980s days, I wonder?

Anyway, most leading characters who were on a successful drama from the 1950s to the late 1970s didn't have a past. What did we ever find out about Joe Mannix? Robert Ironside? Or Perry Mason? When there were exceptions, such as Jim Rockford, they related directly to the plot.

The generation of writers who worked for "Hawaii Five-O" and other shows were writing at the genesis of television drama. Many of them, including creator Leonard Freeman, had written for live television shows such as Playhouse 90 and Omnibus. The dramas they wrote were very issue-oriented, and they carried that into legal and police dramas such as "The Defenders" and "Five-O." That's why I think so much of the writing for the original series was so good - it dealt with important issues.

Yes, sometimes Five-O took a back seat to the drama that had been written for that week - and that resulted in some of the series' best episodes, such as Season 3's "To Kill Or Be Killed," in which a mostly military family was tearing itself in half over the Vietnam War. That last scene, with the family listening to the audiotape of one son killing himself over his part in a massacre - and then the breakup of career military father and other son, who decides to become a conscientious objector, has Steve and Danny as bystanders - and no more than that is needed. It's just as powerful today, and you can read Mr. Mike's analysis of that episode (I think he gave that last part "5 stars out of 4," if I remember correctly.).

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 10:45:12 PDT


Submitted by: RobertScorpio
From: San Diego

I see that there are some of you who do not like the fact they are putting more 'character' development into this new show and that the old show didn't "cram" it so early.

I am not sure what you folks were watching on the old show, but character development was not a priority at all. In fact, it was pratically zero. Did McGarrett have parents? We see his sister once and, poof, never again. I think this new show is a good as it is because the audience likes the back story stuff we never got on the old show.

James McCarthur is right on target when he says this Danno is getting a better deal. And if anyone should know, it would be him..right?

Had they copied the first version, the producers would be attacked with the "no originality". When they try something new its the "don't change the winning formula" tag".

I think they are doing a great job, considering today's TV fare. I told Mike that, IMO, the first two 'regular' episodes were better than the old show's first two episodes; and its the character stuff that is driving it.

As for not learning more about Steve's background? I am pretty sure we will soon. But I have a funny feeling that large number of old-time fans won't even like it anyway.

We shall see.

Robert

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 10:27:33 PDT


Submitted by: RobertScorpio
From: San Diego

I was telling MIKE about this review of the new FIVE-0 show. I must say that I do like the new show, for its own set of reasons. The reviewer gives it a positive review, which was fine, but does so by attacking the old show. I sent him a response, and I think some of you might too after you read this. Here is the link and I warn you; your head might explode after reading the first line or so.

http://jacksonville.com/opinion/blog/437513/charlie-patton/2010-09-28/better-characters-better-actors-make-better-hawaii

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 10:13:14 PDT


Submitted by: Sylvia
From: Pembroke Pines, Florida, USA (same place as the classic TV :)

A nice note: Apparently, they did their local casting - with Teilor Grubbs, the actress who plays Grace. Here's a link to a YT interview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHyqmE84Vsc

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 10:08:57 PDT


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Someone commented on "Death's Name is SAM" being one of the worst titles. I actually think it's creative. That is if you realize that SAM stands for Surface-to-Air-Missile. Something that I obviously didn't realize when I first watched it at a tender age of 12. So I kept expecting a Sam or a Samantha to show up. :D

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 10:07:35 PDT


Submitted by: RobertScorpio
From: San Diego

Good to see so many old time fans posting here. I have succeeded in hooking my wife and kids (daughter 16 son 7) on the old show over the past couple years or so. We like the new show. Its not the same as the old show, but it is good popcorn fun.

My son, and again he is 7, and I are going to listen to each of the opening themes of the nine seasons we have on DVD so far to see which had the best version of the theme song.

Yeah, its a nutty thing to do, but it will be fun.

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 10:05:01 PDT


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"Surely, the promise of a forty-foot Tsunami would be a more interesting tag than grandpa Walton's abduction?" -- Indeed! Not only that but the title is transposed over an awesome shot of the surf rolling in and crashing right into the camera! Awesome stuff! You don't get creative angles/techniques like this anymore.

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 09:45:39 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Some person e-mailed me a couple of days ago, telling me that "I find your tone with the new show somewhat biased, in a bad way. Yes, it is not the original show, but your reviews are kind of coming off as antagonistic, and that's being kind."

He is referring to my "anal-ysis" of the first three shows which, by the way, are located here:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/2010-log1.htm

My "star ratings" of the first three new shows are as follows:

Show #1 - 2-1/2
Show #2 - 2-1/2
Show #3 - 2
Show #4 - to come

But then I went and looked at my ratings for the first shows of the old series:

Show #1 (Full Fathom Five) - 3
Show #2 (Strangers in Our Own Land) - 2
Show #3 (Tiger by the Tail) - 3
Show #4 (Samurai) - 2

So in other words, if my rating for the next show is 3, the total for each will be 10!

I suspect if I watched #2 of the old series again, I might raise the rating ... but if I watched #4 again, I might make its rating less.

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 09:30:09 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Sabrina Scharf can never, ever be "annoying." :p

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 09:15:29 PDT


Submitted by: KD MCG
From: Tweet

If you "tweet" @boborci has indicated that he is open to feedback about the show. Get "tweeting"

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 09:12:25 PDT


Submitted by: Sylvia
From: The land where classic TV rules!

I think Will Geer is excellent in "40 Feet High" as Lochner......As someone who drives Wo Fat crazy, he's even more effective at that than McGarrett is.

But at times, I find Sabrina Scharf annoying as Lochner's daughter - particularly in the scene where she wigs out at Steve and yells at him. He looks stunned, and so did I when I first saw it.

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 08:49:02 PDT


Submitted by: KD MCG
From: Creativity is dead in Hollywood...

Forty feet makes perfect sense as a title since the protagonist of the show actually uses the Tsunami to mask his real intentions. I loved the creative titles (often compelling us to think and say huh?) they used in the show-i mean "elegy in a rain-forest", "Yesterday died and tomorrow won't be born" That kind of creativity is dead and has been displaced by rebooting, re-imagining and regurgitating.

The new parody is a mixture of Miami Vice, lethal weapon and fast and furious. If you like the new one-enjoy. For me, it is not as appealing and i prefer my DVD's. :!cry:

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 08:09:37 PDT


Submitted by: Maxine
From: Brooklyn

The smugness of grandpa Walton in "Forty Feet High" always grates on me, making this perhaps the one episode where I root for Wo Fat to succeed.

Good point about the musical score... those early H50 episodes so often have more than one memorable sequence to relish.

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 07:43:58 PDT


Submitted by: Big Chicken (Original recipe, Never rebooted)
From: Bombay, All The Way

Hey RingFire, Otto, I dig those Charlie Bombay/Just Lucky quotations. We should also give a shout out to Mister Hardware - Marty Sloane.

Mister Mike, I see you finally have McGarrett bring the Big Chick’ to justice in "Ho'ohoihoi kō ho'omahana." Great, great stuff, man. Now that’s the kinda scriptin this new show needs ;)

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 07:27:40 PDT


Submitted by: Steven
From: Miami

Maxine:

Yes, that's true. However, the more interestingly staged aspect of "Forty Feet" is the supercool, international intrigue guys assaulting the seismograph station--or whatever it is--accomapnied by the catchiest musical underscore that Richard Shores ever composed. Surely, the promise of a forty-foot Tsunami would be a more interesting tag than grandpa Walton's abduction? (though to be fair, the banter between Lochner and "Mr. Fat" is quite good).

BTW, I ordered Karen Rhodes' "Booking Five-O". :p

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 07:16:07 PDT


Submitted by: Maxine
From: Brooklyn

Steven - re: "Forty Feet High," I know, but the tsunami warning is a fake & the H50 team figure that out in no time. The rest of the episode is about genetic engineering - I would think the title would refer to that or to the kidnapping of Dr. Lochner.

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 07:04:35 PDT


Submitted by: Steve's Girl
From: Germany

Thank you, Jeff, for the tribute to Doyle Weston.
Great idea to team him up with Big Chicken - what a dream
team!
I would love to see them versus Steve/Jack and Danno/Jim.

BTW thank you, Mike, for the 2nd Season's episodes of the
New (so called) Five-0. I would love to watch those as well, as some of the glorious 13th Seasons episodes.

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 06:10:21 PDT


Submitted by: KD MCG
From: only 3 more episodes left...Knight Rider anyone?

Not sure who said it:kudos to your niece asking if it was CSI-Hawai'i. There are familiar elements so who can blame her? Certainly it is not Five-0.

Now, I see why the original did not focus heavily on characterization and we learned things over the course of the show;here they are trying to cram so much into one episode. Tone down the lethal weapon banter, focus on plot more and better dialog.

I cannot fathom how we are supposed to believe Orci Kurtzman and Lenkov could possibly be fans of the original. Personally, I think the wanted to do a CSI in Hawai'i but didn't have the courage of their convictions to bite the bullet so tagged on the Five-0 moniker.

Let's see 3 more episodes. Will dvr not watch live! I prefer the CSI shows in comparison to this. Go MAC!!!

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 04:24:30 PDT


Submitted by: Steven
From: Miami

"I've said it before, but "Forty Feet High and It Kills!" makes no sense to me as a title"

It refers to the Tsunami that was supposed to be headed towards Oahu. Makes plenty of sense.

Added: Thursday 07 October 2010 04:09:53 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Yeah, that one is especially stupid. "Tour de force," according to Wikipedia, means "an exceptional creative achievement, a particularly adroit manoeuvre or a difficult feat." Presumably this refers to the Cliff Gorman character's assassination of the OPEC minister by climbing on the outside of the Ilikai, etc. But what's with "killer aboard." Aboard what? The airplane at the beginning? The means of transportation that he takes (along with Sandi Welles) to Maui?

Added: Wednesday 06 October 2010 23:29:41 PDT


Submitted by: Jeff
From: Denver

My vote for worst title: "Tour de Force--Killer Aboard" (I love the episode but man does that title make very little sense).

Hans, glad you enjoyed the Doyle Weston tribute. In fact, I think there's a season 13 episode that would be perfect for sweeps month, in which Doyle Weston and Big Chicken team up (kinda like the Joker and Penguin teaming up). They would make a very vile criminal dream team to thwart Five-0 with some outrageous caper. Granted, we'd need to figure out a way to bring Doyle back from the dead (maybe Chicken replicated Doyle's DNA accidentally).

Added: Wednesday 06 October 2010 23:16:25 PDT


Submitted by: Maxine
From: Brooklyn

I've said it before, but "Forty Feet High and It Kills!" makes no sense to me as a title.

"Bomb, Bomb, Who's Got the Bomb?" is pretty bad.

"And the Horse Jumped Over the Moon" is a head-scratcher. Horse refers to heroin, but what does the rest mean?

Added: Wednesday 06 October 2010 22:37:34 PDT


Submitted by: Hans
From: Boston

Jeff, I saw it! What a wonderful tribute to the handsome and charming Doyle Weston!

"put in on the streets... I want to know who's responsible!"

Made my night!

Added: Wednesday 06 October 2010 22:09:11 PDT


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Bombay, All The Way

The law IS cool, KDMCG, and so is Chahlee B. Chahlee be one a the best villains, long with Big Chick, Wo Fat & the VAshons. I’d rank "Just Lucky, I Guess" in my top ten, love that sting op at the mall and it features some of McGarrett’s best speechifying.

You right Otto, we the stalwarts, the Purists, keepas a the flame.

Hey Anne, many thanx for the kind words. Big Chicken is much appreciative. Hope you can share the original real-deal Five-O with your niece. Sure she won’t be mistaken that for CSI Kauai
:)

Added: Wednesday 06 October 2010 21:56:57 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver BC

Woo hoo! From Hawaii Five-O Celebration on Facebook:

Good news and bad news for those of you eagerly waiting for HAWAII FIVE-O SEASON 10 on DVD. The bad news first: It will NOT be coming out in March as previously reported. Now the good news: It has been moved up on the CBS/Paramount release schedule and will be coming out DECEMBER 14TH, just in time for the holidays. Mark it down!

=====

And there's more ... another Second Season episode for the new show has been unearthed: Ho'ohoihoi kō ho'omahana. See http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/2010-log2.htm

Added: Wednesday 06 October 2010 21:38:10 PDT


Submitted by: Dean
From: Vernon Hills, Illinois

According to Hawaii Five O celebration page on Facebook, Season 10 is coming on December 14th!

Added: Wednesday 06 October 2010 21:32:11 PDT


Submitted by: Jeff
From: Denver

Hans, if you have a moment, check out my H50 Celebration page on FB--I was inspired to post a little video montage of favorite Doyle Weston moments:

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1434578021257&ref=mf

"Medicine....MEDICINE!"

Added: Wednesday 06 October 2010 20:14:46 PDT


Submitted by: Anne
From: Tangerine

Another way they can break out is get the incidental music RIGHT!!! Last Monday's episode dropped a notch in my book. The editing of the show was not very good. The chase scene in the Marketplace just happened. All of the sudden they were in their vests and chasing the bad guy. Sigh...funny thing, my niece watched it with me and asked "Is this CSI:Hawaii?" :!giggle: Ah well, I will still hang in there and keep watching...for a while. Cheers.

Oh, BTW, Big Chicken...I love the way you write (and what you say). I can hear the HFO character whose name you have clearly in your text.

Added: Wednesday 06 October 2010 19:41:01 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver BC

Four Ways 'Hawaii Five-0' Can Stand Out From Other Procedurals

http://bit.ly/dt3xNL

Added: Wednesday 06 October 2010 19:16:41 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver BC

Five-O is the most DVR'd new show:

http://wapo.st/dwidGy

Added: Wednesday 06 October 2010 19:07:04 PDT


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Chicago

Mr. Mike - I don't know about the stupidest title but the one I like is "A Woman's Work is with a Gun" from season 7.

Added: Wednesday 06 October 2010 17:13:00 PDT


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: New York City

Ringfire: It seems you, Chick and I are the stubborn stalwarts of Five-O purity. But 'stubborn' may not be the right word. We've been called worse, but now i think the acrimony is ended, and two distinct camps have emerged peaceably.

"...you wanna dance all night, but when it comes time to pay the piper-- when it comes time to pay the piper, you fall back on your solid citizen's act!"

Added: Wednesday 06 October 2010 16:40:07 PDT


Submitted by: Hans
From: Boston

Jeff, I watched the first 2 acts (Double Exposure) several times before finishing. For days I walked around the house yelling "medicine… MEDICINE!" and the baby food in both the jars and the box, priceless… It was tough the way he went out though, guess he had it coming for trying to do Vince in…

I loved when he fumbled to talk on the "box" and said all nasty "put it on the streets!"

But the ending, oh my… so bad it was good… Steve pops out of nowhere in a helicopter at just the right time and starts shooting with pinpoint accuracy. They might as well have had Steve jumping over the mechanical shark from Jaws riding Fonzie’s motorcycle…

Added: Wednesday 06 October 2010 16:25:49 PDT


Submitted by: Dean
From: Vernon Hills, Illinois

About the stupidest episode title, how about A Bird in Hand... from the 12th season. It sounds more like a title of a Three Stooges short than a Hawaii Five O episode.

Added: Wednesday 06 October 2010 15:38:51 PDT


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: NYC

My first impulse is YESTERDAY DIED, AND TOMORROW WON'T BE BORN. But some of my favorite episodes have stupid titles such as one of my all-time faves: ...AND THEY PAINTED DAISIES ON HIS COFFIN. --too wordy. (and those are both Season 1, which i think is a great season.)

Added: Wednesday 06 October 2010 15:20:02 PDT


Submitted by: Dalen Quaice
From: Burbank, CA, USA

Stupidest title: "Death's Name is SAM"

Added: Wednesday 06 October 2010 14:55:49 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver BC

Here is a question: Which is the stupidest Hawaii Five-O episode title?

Added: Wednesday 06 October 2010 14:43:14 PDT


Submitted by: Jeff
From: Denver

LOL Hans! Weston is one of the classic H50 villains that really merited a return appearance if he hadn't been killed off in the show.

In addition to all of the unusual bits of 'atmosphere' you mentioned at the beginning of Act 2, you forgot to mention perhaps the strangest of them all: he eats nothing but baby food. I'd bet money he probably also wears a diaper. Gotta love it when he yells "Medicine!" And while I think it's some kind of pipe he's holding, the scene becomes even crazier if in fact it was a vibrator he was holding.

In addition to "Cloth of Gold", the scene also kinda reminds me of the loonies in that scene from season 1's "The Big Kahuna" when Danno goes to talk to the director.

Added: Wednesday 06 October 2010 14:01:13 PDT


Submitted by: Hans
From: Boston

I finally watched Double Exposure all the way through. This is one of my favorite episodes of the 12 year run. Great chemistry between Danno and Ann Waring. Also, a great performance by the guy who played the thug with the glasses who runs the guy down in the opening scene. And a brilliant freeze frame before the wave when his counterpart chases Ann at the hotel.

The real gem however is the opening of act 2. It was so Cloth of Gold-esque… what exactly is going on here? There is a man playing an eastern instrument while a couple of beautiful ladies lay on the floor looking stoned. Then another woman parts the slit in her dress to expose her legs and does a sexy walk around the room. Is this a porn thing? Performance art? Looks like they are smoking hash or opium? All while Mr Weston is nodding off and looks like he’s holding a vibrator? Or is it a pipe? Strangest scene I’ve ever seen in any 5-O show. Don’t understand it but I just love it…

Added: Wednesday 06 October 2010 13:49:04 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver BC

I am not looking forward to the character of McGarrett's sister, especially considering what was revealed about her in the pilot where her scenes were cut out.

For example, McGarrett tells her "You came to [our father's] funeral high." She replies, "It’s a Vicodin, why should I have to justify anything to you?" She is described in the script: "Multiple bracelets and nose stud betray her punky roots." In addition, the actress portraying her, Taryn Manning, was quoted in an interview at the Waikiki beach premiere as saying "I don't have anything to live up to as far as the character I am portraying." (!!!) Sounds like the character we will love to hate!

And then there is the issue of McGarrett's girl friend, though there were several of those in the old show.

Added: Wednesday 06 October 2010 13:03:58 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Heather:

They cut a lot out of the original pilot that was filled with tons about Steve and his past. That pilot was written to be two hours long. You would have met his sister then at their Dad's funeral. That whole scene is cut out. Many other scenes involving Steve were also cut because they had to introduce all the characters.
Steve's story will cover all the season and we do meet his sister and girlfriend/love interest in the next couple of episodes. So let's see if Alex gets more material to work with so you can understand his character better.

Added: Wednesday 06 October 2010 12:12:43 PDT


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Pittsburgh

I just don't know if I like the "arc" idea transposed onto 5-0! I prefer the self-contained concept, like the original did. My reasoning is that it makes it easier to re-watch. Pick any episode or several in any order. That's not easy to do if episodes are arranged sequentially. I wonder how that plays out in rerun ratings?

Added: Wednesday 06 October 2010 11:28:18 PDT


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Chicago

Heather-Rose - From the little bit that I've read about next Monday's episode, we will learn a little more about McGarrett. I believe his sister and his girlfriend are introduced in this episode. A lot of the mystery surrounding his father is to be played out over the course of the whole season so I don't think we're going to have a lot of clues thrown at us at one time. This past Monday's episode was the first time I saw just a little inkling that maybe Steve and Danno can start trusting each other. Just my humble opinion.

Added: Wednesday 06 October 2010 10:35:12 PDT


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"Hans Zimmer-like drivel" -- Mr. Mike, I would hardly call Zimmer's music drivel. Hans has given us some fantastic film music! The Lion King, Crimson Tide, Broken Arrow, The Rock, Gladiator, Pearl Harbor, The Last Samurai, Chris Nolan's Batmans, and most recently Inception!

Added: Wednesday 06 October 2010 10:15:33 PDT


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Big Chick and Otto, I agree with you both, bruddahs. Who's this Lenkov? Or this Kurtzman? Who's this joker, this mister punk here? He's a procurer!

Added: Wednesday 06 October 2010 10:05:00 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

The thing that's bugging me about the new Five-0, particularly after the most recent episode, is that we're not getting much insight into McG's character. I'm happy with AO'L's underplaying (I like his deadpan humor - for the record, not something that Jack did very well) - but the scripts haven't given him much of interest to say. What makes this guy tick? What's on his mind? What's he thinking about the mysterious clues inside the toolbox? What's he planning to do about them? He knows something must be rotten in the current structure - is he just going to sit and wait? Why hasn't he confided in Danno and enlisted his assistance - doesn't he trust him yet? I like the idea of his sitting back and being cautious for a while, but we need to see some suggestion that all of this stuff is still on his mind, and that he feels a sense of urgency. Instead he comes off as too laidback and casual, blithely hanging out at the ballgame ordering nachos, etc.

I suspect some scenes got left on the cutting-room floor, chopped to make way for ads, and/or the writers are asleep at the switch!

Added: Wednesday 06 October 2010 09:29:21 PDT


Submitted by: Dalen Quiace
From: Burbank, CA, USA

In Ep 3 (of the new series), the car (presuambly the Camaro) in which Danno and McGarrrett are in is going faster on McGarrett's side than it is on Danno's side! LOL This makes the illusion of the "rear projection" technique even more unbelievable. This would point to the plates not being properly aligned when shooting. Check it out at 18:30 into the episode.

Added: Wednesday 06 October 2010 08:55:05 PDT


Submitted by: KDMCG
From: Where are YOU from?

@Big Chicken-you hit the nail on the head bruddah! Exactly my sentiments; make your own Hawai'ian show and don't name it Five-O-call it something like "Task Force: Hawai'i"

The law is cool... :D :!cool:

Added: Wednesday 06 October 2010 08:53:44 PDT


Submitted by: Hans
From: Boston

The Bombay that came back in McGarrett is Missing was not the same actor. Not on the same level or even in the same building as Albert Paulsen, the original. That guy should have appeared more as Charley Bombay.

Kind of funny that I felt like "why didn't they just create a new character" if the original actor was not available? Same with the revolving door of Jonathan Kayes... and the same things some people who don't like the new show are saying... in a way it's a back handed tribute to the original ;)

Added: Wednesday 06 October 2010 06:26:09 PDT


Submitted by: Kittensue
From: Madisonville,TN

@ Otto
Good ol' Charlie bought the farm at the end of "McGarrett is Missing". I believe JL's line was "the sharks got him".

Added: Wednesday 06 October 2010 04:25:45 PDT


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: New York City

Charley Bombay was a good enough character to have warranted return appearances. Or did he get smoke-checked at the end of the episode? I forgot.

Added: Wednesday 06 October 2010 03:40:16 PDT


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Keeping It Real with the Real Hawaii Five-O

The Big Chick is all ‘bout Peace N’ Love, Real. Chicken was paraphrasing McGarrett’s lines from a Season 2 episode; obviously someone isn’t schooled in the Five-O Classics.

Why would I have anything against cats who make their living "rebooting" other people’s ideas? Back in the day, before all this fancy TV executive vernacular, they’d call that a rip-off not a reboot.

I tuned in for Lenkov & Kurtzman’s remake, or redo or whatever, both the pilot and the first episode. I found the characters of Steve McGarrett and Dan Williams differed so greatly from their namesakes as to represent a total lack of integrity on the part of the producers.

You’ve made the argument that in doing a modernization or remake that they are entitled to their own interpretation. But to present entirely different characters of their own making and identify them with the names of those from the original version is disingenuous at best.

I mean, why go to the pretense of calling it a remake or reboot at all? Why call it Five-O? It’s obviously Lenkov/Kurtzman/Orci’s own show and as such it makes a very poor stand-in for Leonard Freemans’s Hawaii Five-O.

Don’t take the name if you Ain’t Got the Game.

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 22:26:06 PDT


Submitted by: Raymond
From: Burbank

The new Hawaii Five-0 lacks the powerful writing the original had for the first 5 or 6 years. I could tell the writers of this new show lacked maturity by the scene from the Pilot episode where the "chick" cop slugs that guy on the beach. It's interesting she slugs him just as the other members of the Five-0 team are asking each other, "do you think she's tough enough?". What are we supposed to deduce from that? WOW, she sure looks tough to me? Good writing always keeps the viewer guessing. There is no mystery in these new episodes.
Every action is so predictable. There are no twists or turns in the plots. Danny Williams is way too cocky...I hate him.

I can remember when I watched the episode "Force Of Waves", I was thinking to myself the entire episode, "The wife has got to be the one..." I was
SHOCKED when McGarret came out with the outrageous theory that Cal was the culprit!! These are the type of episodes Hawaii Five 0 was famous for. Keeping the viewer guessing. Does anybody remember "Chain Of Events"? Or, how about "The Burning Ice"? How about "Bomb, Bomb, Who's Got The Bomb"? C'mon, how many of you thought Warren killed the Social Worker guy? How many of you thought Harper killed the doctors wife? And, did any of you ever think Senator Henderson was trying to blow himself up? I can go on and on how Hawaii Five-0 kept you guessing. There is no guessing in this new rendition. I can tell what is going to happen before it happens.

So, I guess my one word description of the new Hawaii Five-0 would be.........predictable. And, predictable means boring.

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 21:52:29 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

http://bit.ly/9aWrkC

The latest results of the Nielsen Galaxy television measurement system in the US are out and it brings excellent news for the soon to launch BIG CBS Channels in India. The three hottest new chart toppers on US television namely Hawaii Five-0, Blue Bloods and The Defenders – all successfully during the first two weeks of the broadcast season topping the charts in the US. The most recent episodes of these shows, which rank as the three top new dramas on U.S. television this season, will soon hit Indian television screens to entertain the burgeoning English entertainment seeking audiences, exclusively on the BIG CBS Networks platform. This is the first time in the history of English Indian television entertainment, that the top international shows will telecast almost concurrent to the US broadcast.

HAWAII FIVE-0 currently ranks as the season’s top new series/drama in US, averaging 13.5 million viewers.

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 21:27:24 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Big Chicken;

"when citizens like you get involved, really get involved, the snakes, the rats like Lenkov and Kurtzman — they don’t stand a chance."

Wow! You bring unreasonable hate to a whole new level, don't you?

What did Lenkov or Kurtzman ever do to you? I thought we were talking about a TV show, not the end of freedom as we know it today.

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 21:21:38 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

http://bit.ly/9W7YHS

Reqarding the LA Times article Mike showed us:

As the Los Angeles Times observed, not a single new show on any network has achieved hit status. The possible exception is CBS’s rebuilt Hawaii 5-0, which landed at No. 13 on the Nielsen list.

So H50 is the possible exception.Interesting that the LA Times failed to mention that! LOL

Julie,

the shark thing may not be uniquely Hawaiian, but than neither is surfing and all the ocean activities everyone wanted to see to show Hawaii.You have them in OZ and we have them in So Cal, too. But most people don't have an ocean and they want to see them.
Why don't we let the show get going and then ask them to get off the island they're on for other location shoots? Remember folks, three episodes versus 12 years.

You want everything that you saw in 12 years to have popped up by now? LOL

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 21:15:38 PDT


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Bombay

Otto - when citizens like you get involved, really get involved, the snakes, the rats like Lenkov and Kurtzman — they don’t stand a chance. I thank you Mr. Mannix, and I admire you.

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 20:51:59 PDT


Submitted by: JulieS
From: Australia

"People go into those shark cages and commune with the sharks. So that is about as Hawaiian as you can get and it was even a part of the story line."

KIR - well not really. They have similar attractions here in Australia and in South Africa.

South Africa - http://www.sharkbookings.com/
Australia - http://bit.ly/bY4vgM

As you can see it isn't a uniquely Hawaiian attraction to viewers in these countries. One thing that did impress me about Hawaii in the original series is when they went to places like Hawai'i Volcanoes National Park - so hopefully the new series will get off Oahu and visit some of the other islands.

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 20:18:34 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

The writer's blog Mr. Mike just put up is from the writer's assistant on the new H50 show. It is his fourth blog, i believe, and he tells you how things are done in the writer's room. Go to the link again and if you scroll done you will see all his previous blogs. He explains all the different levels of writers and what they do in his second blog. It is a nice touch to a look at how things are done. His name is Mike Schaub.

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 20:04:46 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Barbara:

Just helping out Mr. Mike's posting count. All others are welcome to join me more in that endeavor. LOL
Right now, there is a lot of news for the new H50. Discussing the pros and cons of the episodes; ratings for each episode; reviews of each episode; and of course, will they be picked up for a full season.
Hence I have a lot of NEW to post because the season just began.

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 19:59:27 PDT


Submitted by: Hans
From: Boston

"I mean, what would Charley Bombay think? He'd probably have to give someone the good ol' balcony toss."

now that was funny! two thumbs up Otto...

Bombay is a cancer... that feeds on society!

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 19:34:54 PDT


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: New York City

Big Chicken, you're talking my language, bruddah. You won't hear me griping about the reboot, but it's good to know there are others who feel as i do. I mean, what would Charley Bombay think? He'd probably have to give someone the good ol' balcony toss.

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 18:38:00 PDT


Submitted by: Ed
From: Honolulu

Yes Mike, EE-olani - the "i" is pronounced as a long "e".

BTW, the title of last night's episode "Malama ka Aina", means take care of the land. What did that have to do with the story line"

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 18:23:33 PDT


Submitted by: Dalen Quaice
From: Burbank, CA, USA

I believe it is:

EE-oh-lani

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 18:21:10 PDT


Submitted by: Big Chicken (Original recipe, Never rebooted)
From: Keeping it Real withThe Real Hawaii Five-O

Rainbow Warrior,

All politics aside, I share your disappointment with this new off-brand Five-0. The loyal fan base certainly deserved better. But keep on keepin’ the faith with the REAL Hawaii Five-O, brudda.

I do what I can here on the Guestbook, man, but only Jack Saves...cause Jack Is Lord.
Peace

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 18:20:23 PDT


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Pittsburgh

Okay, Mr. Mike, I'll go with EE-o-lani. That's what I've read, anyway!

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 18:11:18 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver BC

OK, how do you say it?

Eye-o-lani or EE-o-lani?

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 17:21:43 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver BC

[This is not by me, obviously...]

http://www.cbs.com/primetime/hawaii_five_0/community/blogs/blog.php?key=0

10/05/10
Aloha boys and girls, and welcome back to the Five-0 blog!

So last night, we aired Malama Ka Aina, written by our super consulting producer and one of our awesome staff writers, an extremely fun episode all around. Here’s a couple of things about that I thought you guys would find interesting.

Let’s start with the shark scene, one of the more memorable of what we in the room have taken to calling "McGarrett moments." These are those times on the show where McGarrett decides to use… unusual… interrogation techniques to gain information from stubborn suspects. The scene in this episode: Danny tries to get info from a pizza store manager, but gets the cold shoulder. So, McGarrett does what anyone would do in that situation: he drags the suspect over the counter, throws in on boat, and drops him in a shark proof cage. Perfectly reasonable, I say.

Oddly, this scene was originally pitched without the cage. Can you imagine? Apparently, the sharks don’t really go after humans, and it was a hypothetically safe shot. Keyword? Hypothetically. But for safety reasons, they went with the cage. All in all, I still think it looked great.

Also, let’s talk for a minute about a scene you may not have really noticed. Danny and McGarrett drive down the street, dressed in tuxedos. They pull up to a red light. A car full of girls pulls up next to them. Smiles are exchanged. Danny wants to stay. Light turns green, and McGarrett drives off. Just a fun little scene you wouldn’t think twice about. Here’s the thing. Most of the scenes in the show, even the small ones, are pretty fleshed out in the outline so the writers have a lot of information to go on. Here’s the entry for that scene.

4.) EXT. KAPIOLANI BOULEVARD – DAY
McGarrett and Danny, clad in Armani TUXES, burn up the road in a FERARRI 308.

So from that, the writer made that whole little beat. Let me tell you something, watching a scene go from that that line to the screen is what makes this game fun,

All right, guys. Gotta go to sleep. Tune in next week, my friends!

Aloha!

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 17:16:31 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver BC

Well, it is >my< WWW site, y'know. ;)

Speaking of the total time, I just downloaded another version (which has Dolby Digital sound) and the total time for that one, which includes all of the end credits in the correct format, is 40:57.

The earlier version which I have has a preview of next week's show above the end credits, which are put at the bottom of the screen.

Oh yeah ... one way in which the music could have been improved (there is no way to go except up for the music in this show):

At the beginning, there is a football game going on. So what do you usually hear at high school football games in the USA? Like MARCHING BANDS ... hello!!

What would have been cool would have been to have a marching band playing in the background instead of this dogshit rock music which had no real life connection to the scene whatsoever, perhaps mixed in with some of the generic ominous-sounding Hans Zimmer-like drivel as the scene got more and more intense.

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 16:51:09 PDT


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Chicago

I'm not trying to make any particular point here. Just out of curiosity I did a quick count on the number of posts for the last 2 pages. Breakdown is as follows: approx. 15% - Mr. Mike, approx. 30% - Keeping It Real, approx 60% - all others combined.

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 16:27:21 PDT


Submitted by: Dalen Quaice
From: Burbank, CA, USA

The complete version of Ep 3 is 41:04 according to CBS. That includes opening and ending credits. It is available for viewing on CBS.com if you are in the US.

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 16:23:15 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver BC

I also downloaded the show last night and was disturbed to find that it was 40 minutes 15 seconds, not including the end credits, which would probably add another 30-35 seconds to the total. There didn't seem to be anything missing.

How many commercial breaks are there in this show in the USA, anyway? Is there one after the main titles? There seemed to be another only a few minutes after that. (The version I was viewing had no commercials, but you could tell when it went to black.)

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 16:02:35 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Steve, most shows vary between 42-44 minutes,but I agree,40 minutes is very low. Hopefully, that will rise back up to the average time.If not, I will tweet someone to see if they can explain. I hope that in trying to save money they don't keep these episodes so short. ;)

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 15:37:47 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Victor;

It is true about the DVR ratings because people skip over the commercials so the advertisers don't like it.

"Bottom line: if a show has bad Live+SD program ratings, even if those ratings improve relatively somewhat with DVR viewing, ultimately it won’t be enough to save the show."

Fortunately, H50 looks like it doesn't need saving, so these extra viewers just show that people like H50; 2.5 million more than previously thought. That can be only good since the show is strong anyway. ;)

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 15:28:12 PDT


Submitted by: Steve
From: UK

I must admit, that as I'm watching the new show here in England via 'questionable sources' what I'm about to say may not be correct, but...... is it the copies I'm watching or is each episode actually getting shorter?! The sources I'm viewing hack the end credits completely, but that aside, the pilot was 44 mins; 2nd episode was 42 and now the third episode just over 40 minutes in length! If what I'm watching hasn't been heavily edited, then I'm afraid if we continue at this rate, I'll be watching something similar in length to a bugs bunny cartoon! :D

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 15:20:53 PDT


Submitted by: Victor
From: Ratings and DVR

To understand about DVR , http://bit.ly/8RronD

"Do DVR Viewers Matter?

Short version: As of December 21, 2009, not much. For those wanting the longer (and denser) version, read on.

As with "Do Total Viewers Matter?" matter, it is of course a matter of perspective. Our primary perspective is one of revenue potential and renewal prospects, and from that perspective, when it comes to a shows earnings potential and renewal prospects, DVR viewing doesn’t matter much at all. At least not in a good way.

That isn’t to say that it doesn’t matter at all, but to say that it matters so little that we don’t see it being a factor in show renewal decisions, despite anything to the contrary you might see in the media..."

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 14:27:14 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

"‘Five-O’ dancer steps forward"

That's awesome.

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 13:59:19 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

http://wapo.st/dwidGy

"Hawaii Five-O" most DVR'd new show, early stats show

TV industry suits have chewed their fingernails to the nub trying to figure out what you're watching, and let's face it: you are not making it any easier.

These days, they can't wake up and find out, but have to endure weeks of anticipatory frothing to receive Premiere Week's so-called Live-Plus-7 numbers.

That's the number of people who watch an episode when it airs in its time slot, like god intended, or as much as a week later via DVR.

Among what we like to call "All of The People in the Country Who Have Survived Their First 24 Months" the most DVR'd new show over the first three days of the TV season was:

CBS's "Hawaii Five-O." The dusted-off, iconic cop drama added a full 2.4 million viewers to its debut-day audience of 14 million.

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 13:51:10 PDT


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

From the Star-Bulletin re 1996 Five-0 reunion...

‘Five-O’ dancer steps forward
Even if the trail grows cold after a quarter-century, those dedicated sleuths from "Hawaii Five-O" never give up. You never know when there will be a lucky break.
The suspect this time was identified only as a pair of swinging hips during the credit sequence of the long-running TV series. It's a brief flash of a Tahitian number, with appreciative bar patrons leering on. Hubba hubba, as McGarrett might not say. The identity of the dancer remained a mystery all these years. Those hips were sealed.

Until recently, when a relative of a friend of Helen Kuoha-Torco's daughter claimed to be the dancer. Wrong, thought Kuoha-Torco, I KNOW that's incorrect.

She came clean under questioning. Yes, those hips belong to Kuoha-Torco.

Kuoha-Torco, who's now a professor of business technology at Windward Community College, was a featured dancer with Sterling Mossman's Barefoot Bar Gang during the 1960s. It's the Barefoot Bar Gang playing the Tahitian number and "Ain't No Big Thing" during the scene.

While filming "Cocoon," the pilot film for "Hawaii Five-O," the Outrigger Canoe Club was dressed to resemble the notorious Barefoot Bar, which was too small to accommodate both patrons and a camera crew.

For her part, Kuoha-Torco got $150. She was 25 years old at the time, and her dancing was featured in other "Five-O" episodes.

Would we recognize those hips today? "Well, I've had six children since then," she said, diplomatically.

Kuoha-Torco attended the "Five-O" reunion in Hawaii last weekend, and Rose Freeman, widow of "Five-O" creator Leonard Freeman," recognized her immediately.

...As Mike said, on the Cocoon intro her face is on cam, right after her hips make their appearance.

http://tinyurl.com/33aq5x2

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 13:43:51 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver BC

The woman who takes care of Danno's kid during the shootout is Helen Torco, the same woman who is the uncredited dancer in the opening credits for the original show (whose face can be seen only in the credits for "Cocoon").

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 12:43:48 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver BC

Danno's ringtone for wife's lawyer is NOT Darth Vader theme (as some WWW sites are reporting) but Funeral March from Chopin piano sonata #2 -- http://bit.ly/cvJ0CI

DUH!!

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 12:31:31 PDT


Submitted by: GK
From: Millersville PA USA

I finally had an opportunity to watch an entire episode of the new Five O last night, must say I am not overly impressed... Way too much of the CSI quick cut editing for my taste. Also, someone mentioned the weird coloring effects... I definitely notice it big time, might be because I have yet to update my TV sets, no flat screen LCD/Plasma for me as yet... Everything looks burnt orange or yellowish as was stated below, which despite giving it a unique almost weathered look, just looks unnatural to my eyes... The story was kind of ridiculous, seriously, I know you have to suspend belief in reality a little for these modern cop shows today, but do you really think McG and Danno could take the pizza guy out to a shark cage and drop him in there and not have the ACLU crush the State of Hawaii with a civil law suit as a result ??

I suppose the show was OK, mindless entertainment, and of course Kono looks so much hotter as a killer babe than a fat dumb guy, but really the intent might be there, but the spirit just ain't cutting it... If there had been a better more competitive football game on last night I doubt I would have stayed with the new Five 0...

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 12:05:13 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

One last review so you get a picture of the positive reviews:

http://bit.ly/anIqIN

Mike put up some reviews earlier; check them out. Thanks, Mike.

I am mainly posting the facts between the reviews and the ratings, but of course I want the show to succeed. I am not doing this to bother those who support the old show because I also support the old show. The difference is that I don't see it as an either/or. I see it as good for both shows if H50 succeeds.
It has been years since so much talk about the old show has been out there. DVDs are here for it. And the younger generation, who never even heard of Jack Lord for the most part, have now learned a lot about what was.
It is a joint venture in my eyes. So please don't think I am attacking the old show simply because I defend the new one. I see them as separate.

The new H50 has to have a chance to develop its own identity. It can't ever be Jack Lord's H50 and it isn't trying to be. The original stands alone for its accomplishments. The new one wants a chance to build its own fame, that's all.

Love to you all.

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 11:52:02 PDT


Submitted by: Victor
From: Ratings

If you are interested in the ratings for the remake ,

The Hollywood Reporter http://bit.ly/a9VUuA

"With a minute of "Dancing" overrun, "Castle" (11.9 million, 3.0) rose 7% from last week, close to the 12 million who watched "Hawaii Five-O" (3.5), down 3% from last week, and the performance of "Mike & Molly" (12.3 million, 3.8), which rose 3%."

Ratings numbers for the 3 episodes , http://bit.ly/d7S5kZ

Hawaii Five-O (CBS)
9/20/10 – Viewers: 14.20 million; A18-49: 3.9/11
9/27/10 – Viewers: 12.72 million; A18-49: 3.6/10
10/04/10 – Viewers: 12.03 million; A18-49: 3.5/ 9

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 11:47:33 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Another review:
http://bit.ly/dziPvk

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 11:29:10 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

More ratings news:

http://bit.ly/dlCL6H

"Hawaii Five-0" Wins Time Period in Viewers, Adults 18-49 and Adults 25-54 for the Third Straight Week

At 10:00 PM, HAWAII FIVE-0 (7.6/13, 12.03m) was first in viewers, adults 25-54 (4.6/11) and adults 18-49 (3.5/09).

If it remains the most DVR'd of the new shows, the viewer numbers will likely go up when the Live-Plus-7 stats for last night are released.

It's good that especially last night's epi got great reviews.

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 11:23:26 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Rainbow Warrior:
Real nice: One last jab for the road which of course takes away from your apology to Mike.

they don't have to be "shouted down" at every turn by constant, incessant posting by someone who has a stake in the success of the new show or just ahs no life.

He still seriously believes I have a stake in this show? ROFLMAO

Or I have no life. You are right. I have no life. And, since you were here too, I guess we are in the same boat.

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 11:17:15 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Mike:

It is all perspective isn't it? CSI Miami dropped in numbers in its new time slot. A new show, like H50, shouldn't be expected to have built an audience like CSI Miami has built over time. So to say they dropped in that time slot is a little misleading. I am sure CBS expected those numbers to go down from CSI Miami because CSI M has an established following. Leave it to the LA Times to say that sort of thing. They are infamous for presenting the facts without looking at why that might be. No wonder it has so few subscribers. LOL

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 11:11:42 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

"constant political tone"??? You're delusional.

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 10:40:56 PDT


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Mr. Mike

Your 100% right and my apologies to you and your other guests for bringing politics into this forum which has no place for it. I knew writing that was not proper from the start but felt provoked by the constant political tone of that person's comments and grew tired of it.

To do you and others a favor, I will refrain from posting any more on this site. You do many people a great service by the work that you have done here for years and don't want to cause any disruption to your daily duties.

I wanted to let Big Chicken, Pepe, Original Five-O, and the others who are disappointed by what we perceive to be a terrible remake of a classic show that they don't have to be "shouted down" at every turn by constant, incessant posting by someone who has a stake in the success of the new show or just ahs no life.

Goodbye sir and Best of Luck to you in your endeavors, you're a wealth of information for those of us who love Hawaii Five-O the "original"

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 10:27:35 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver BC

Los Angeles Times has a different perspective:

http://lat.ms/9vQO8F

Two weeks into the fall TV season, the broadcast networks have gotten off to one of their most sluggish starts ever. For the first time in at least five years, not a single new show has cracked the top 10 either among total viewers or the advertising-friendly demographic of adults aged 18 to 49, according to the Nielsen Co. Even CBS' remake of "Hawaii Five-0," with its familiar brand name and 10 p.m. Monday time slot, has failed to sizzle and has tumbled compared with "CSI: Miami" last year.

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 10:10:51 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Early ratings:

http://bit.ly/bJDlx8

Hawaii 5-0 remained flat (meaning of course it retained its viewership, which is excellent news)with a 3.5 among 18-49 year olds and with 12.03 million viewers.It won its time slot.

http://bit.ly/a61mG2

This site has different numbers (which is typical with the early out results) but they agree the numbers were consistent from last week.

Also consistent was CBS’ Hawaii Five-O, with a dominant 8.4/13 in the overnights at 10 p.m. Comparably, this was equal to one week earlier, which means of course that the full season renewal is coming at any moment. Here is the three week overnight track.

Hawaii Five-O (CBS)
9/20/10: 9.8/15
9/27/10: 8.4/13
10/04/10: 8.4/13

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 10:08:19 PDT


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Heather Rose Ryan:

You're also a sad embittered liberal whose political ideology is about to be confined to the dustbin of history on November 2nd.

What's the matter, you still think the U.S. Government was behind the 9/11 attacks because of all that garbage propaganda that you liberal New Englanders digest.

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 09:54:50 PDT

Mr. Mike comments: Bzzzt! Not nice, Rainbow. To avoid joining Saginaw on the island of Niʻihau, please stay on topic.


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Thanks, KD MCG!

*hugs*

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 09:41:38 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver BC

"People go into those shark cages and commune with the sharks. So that is about as Hawaiian as you can get and it was even a part of the story line."

Yes, that was pretty original ... even Jack Bauer never thought of that. ;)

Hmmm, I just realized there is a "jump the shark" joke in here somewhere...

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 09:41:30 PDT


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Pittsburgh

I remember Danno saying to Ann in "Double Exposure" that her photographs looked like picture postcards. Show the real Hawaii, such as the people. Those outdoor shots in the new show remind me of picture postcards. That's my quibble, plus those annoying color washes. Too tourist-y. Hawaii isn't all surfing, windsurfing, cliff jumping, etc.

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 09:35:17 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Actually, Mike, I have seen several surfing and swimming shots and the shark cage scene, for those of you who watched the CBS news special which I placed here, will see that it is a real tourist attraction. People go into those shark cages and commune with the sharks. So that is about as Hawaiian as you can get and it was even a part of the story line.
You saw other Hawaiian shots in episode 2.We have only seen 3 episodes. So by my count, they are doing well with the Hawaiian stuff, as well as maintaining a story.

All that aside, of course there are things they will have to improve on, like any show. I think it only fair that we give them the necessary time to do that. Three episodes in is hardly a fair comparison with 12 years of another show.

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 09:34:18 PDT


Submitted by: Big City Gal
From: NYC

There have been several comments here about the colorization of the show. I keep looking for this yellowish/greenish haze talked about, but I'm just not seeing it. With digital cable on my HD Sony flat screen, the colors look fantastic and true. The only time I noticed anything which looked remotely yellow was a long shot in last night's episode of the skyline along the beach where the sun was reflecting off the buildings. I didn't see it as a digitizing effect, just the way the angled sun picked up on the color of the buildings. I remember the same look when I was there a few years ago walking along the beach. I don't know, maybe I have my color settings so different than everyone else that I'm missing something obvious.

I do know there was a drop dead gorgeous shot last night. The long shot of Kono and Sid on the beach was simply spectacular.

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 09:34:08 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Rainbow Warrior:

"Somehow, you have a financial benefit to this "Hawaii Five-O" doing well"

Yeah, she's also a communist spy and a Muslim terrorist. :D

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 09:28:20 PDT


Submitted by: KD MCg
From: Thank you KIR-let's be friends...

KIR-wow, i am so humbled by your comments and apology. Apology noted-acceptance pending ;)

Hawai'i is beautiful enough to showcase itself-honestly, the original didn't have to try so hard and it was done effortlessly. Lenkov's intention is honorable, but really Hawai'i will shine throughout the show.

Indeed, Danno needs to talk less, but MCG also says that to him. I do think some better writing is needed and i am hoping that eventually Danno begins to trust MCG's method to his madness. i don't buy Grace as Kono, but i do like Grace and relate to her as a sister that you would want.

Sorry KD MCG. I don't mean to come across bossy. Sometimes communicating this way sounds curt. I don't mean to. What I meant to say about Hawaii is Lenkov has said many times Hawaii is another character in the show. So you just have to expect it to be there every episode; it is what the Hawaiians want.It doesn't really bother me.
Steve is supposed to be a military guy who has now lost both parents. He has a very dry sense of humor which I think makes a perfect contrast to Danno's yelling belligerence. Alex plays that subtlety perfectly. And as we learn more about Steve the man, we will learn why his character is the way it is.
If anything, they will need to tone down Scott's portrayal of Danno, IMO. He sounds too angry all the time. But together, they make a good contrast and it works well.

Again, we have seen three episodes and it needs time to develop. :!cool:

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 09:25:14 PDT


Submitted by: Keepintg It Real
From: LA

Rainbow Warrior:

Wow! Thank you for the compliment. Yes, I work for CBS and I am a plant. I make oodles of money to come here and convince an age group that the advertisers don't care about to make sure you watch the show.
Do you really need Big Chicken to save you from me? Why don't you get Jack Lord to do that?
I scared you off? ROTFLMAO

Then I will get back to my superiors in Hollywood and be sure to tell them that I am successful with our planned strategy. Hopefully I will get a bonus for that.

;)

I will be back later with the raw numbers for ratings.

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 09:24:57 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver BC

"Lenkov has said many times Hawaii is another character in the show. So you just have to expect it to be there every episode; it is what the Hawaiians want."

Yes, but there are more creative ways of showing Hawaii rather than the typical shots like we saw at the beginning of show #2 (and elsewhere): people surfing, windsurfing, jumping off a pier, hula dancing, etc. -- shots that practically scream at people "THIS IS HAWAII."

The opening scenes of this second show start at 6:15 a.m. ... so why not show "typical Honolulu scenes" that take place at 6:15 a.m.?

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 09:16:32 PDT


Submitted by: KD MCG
From: hmmm...

Next week's episode looks interesting.

:D

i do agree that it will never be as legendary as the original

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 09:06:10 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver BC

Three more reviews of show #3. Sorry, no time to do the bit.ly number!

http://www.hollywood.com/news/Hawaii_Five_O_Recap_Malama_Ka_Aina/7291104

http://www.cinemablend.com/television/Hawaii-Five-0-Watch-Malama-Ka-Aina-27374.html

http://www.bscreview.com/2010/10/hawaii-five-0-malama-ka-aina-review/

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 08:57:34 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Sorry KD MCG. I don't mean to come across bossy. Sometimes communicating this way sounds curt. I don't mean to. What I meant to say about Hawaii is Lenkov has said many times Hawaii is another character in the show. So you just have to expect it to be there every episode; it is what the Hawaiians want.It doesn't really bother me.
Steve is supposed to be a military guy who has now lost both parents. He has a very dry sense of humor which I think makes a perfect contrast to Danno's yelling belligerence. Alex plays that subtlety perfectly. And as we learn more about Steve the man, we will learn why his character is the way it is.
If anything, they will need to tone down Scott's portrayal of Danno, IMO. He sounds too angry all the time. But together, they make a good contrast and it works well.

Again, we have seen three episodes and it needs time to develop.

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 08:38:58 PDT


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Big Chicken,

I'm with you brother, your thoughts are the only rational explanation for this "ahem" new show.

Pepe, your 100 % right in your analysis.

Don't mind giving a new show a chance, but they are dropping the ball.

Please, KIR, I know you may know someone who works for the show, have a relative like a son or daughter who works for the show or for some company involved with the show. You may be a "plant" dropped in here to do PR for the show because that's your job. Somehow, you have a financial benefit to this "Hawaii Five-O" doing well, whatever your reasons for the constant postings about how "great" (cough, cough) the new show is, please enough already. You love the new show, good for you, I'm happy for you, now please stop with the pom poms. If the new show gets canceled, you'll disappear just as suddenly as you "appeared" when the new show started. We get it. You like the show. If you were just an "average fan" who liked the show you wouldn't take every criticism of the show as a personal affront. Sounds to me like it's your "job" to be on here.

I've actually stopped reading this guestbook reguarly because of your constant "promotional postings." Please Big Chicken save me! :!thinking:

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 08:38:23 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Steven wrote: "I have to say that the new McGarrett and Danno spoke to each other more in episode two's car ride scene than the original McG and Danno did in eleven seasons together on the old show--on screen or off!"

Yeah, I had a similar thought last night - that it seems like this Danno has had more lines in the first three episodes than James MacA had in the entire series.

It's worthwhile considering: would Jack's McG have been so overpoweringly iconic if they had let Danno develop more of a character? And if McG hadn't been such a domineering boss from the very beginning? (I'm still smarting from all the "Sit down and shut up" stuff addressed to Chin in "Cocoon"...) It fits with the accepted behavior of 40+ years ago, but it wouldn't fly today.

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 08:30:52 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

I LOVE the shots of Hawaii, rainbows, surfing, etc. There have been a couple of beautiful shots that look like they were taken from the tops of waves. I'm sure if they'd had the technology to do that in the original series, they would have.

O'Loughlin vs. Jack: this is an unfair comparison because Jack was, well, Jack. Entertaining as he was to watch, he was mannered in a way that would be impossible to pull off today. I haven't seen O'L in anything else, but here he's underplaying things in a more realistic fashion. I haven't seen a lot of teeth-gritting on his part. The way things are unfolding, McG is more physically explosive and Danno is more verbally explosive. Danno is getting all the scenery-chewing opportunities while McG gets to pick guys up and throw them through the scenery.

Also note the scripts haven't given him much to work with. It would be good to have some inkling soon as to how he's processing the grief for his father.

Looks-wise and even voice-wise, he's reminding me very much of the young Springsteen. Remember how Jack's McG had the guitar sitting around his office? Maybe O'L needs one so he can belt out "it's so hard to be a saint when you're just a Five-0 boy out on the street..."

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 08:21:51 PDT


Submitted by: Steven
From: Miami

I just finished watching the three episodes of New Five-O and have to admit that I can enjoy the show on its own merits, though it's nothing spectacular. Comparisons to the classic, immortal original are useless. However, I have to say that the new McGarrett and Danno spoke to each other more in episode two's car ride scene than the original McG and Danno did in eleven seasons together on the old show--on screen or off! The new guys are definitely "Chatty Cathies." ;)

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 08:15:56 PDT


Submitted by: Pepe
From: Hamilton, MA

Just watched the 3rd episode of the new Five-O and am still disappointed. This show has so much potential but it's failing on multiple fronts...The banter between McG and Williams is tiresome....there's little actual police work (like the Process described by Karen Rhodes);the plots and writing are poor; the music is crap and the beauty of Hawaii is wasted. I'm with you, Mr. Mike, they should have gotten Joe Pesci to play the pizza guy...then Danno (Danny Glover) and McGarrett (Riggs) could have all been re-united...so what I see here is Lethal Weapon Five---too bad Mel had his meltdown...I also agree with your comment RE: episode 2, how could the bad guys be sure they wouldn't kill Lowrey in that crash? Sorry CBS, but I'll stick with the DVD's of the original...this new series is a huge disappointment.

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 07:56:50 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver BC

An early review of show #3, "Malama Ka Aina" -- http://bit.ly/bN65NB

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 07:35:58 PDT


Submitted by: KD MCG
From: what is it to you cuz?

Just clarification. I am not apologizing in entirety though. Some of my comments remain.

@Mr. Mike the incidental music is crappy for sure. I don't like the constant camera whizzing nor the handheld as popularized by NYPD Blue. Annoying and yes also gives me a headache..note to producers, please slow it down and use the time for interspersed shots on developing more engaging dialog and clues.

Even as a stand alone show, they need to make some improvements. Alex o seems to have limited range and while I am not saying Jack was the best actor of all time, his MCG seemed very natural and the teeth-clenching and forbidding presence came easy. For Alex, it seems very forced. Good actor, but needs to tone it and they need better lines for him to keep up with Danny.

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 04:54:47 PDT


Submitted by: kd mcg
From: yeap

Oops apologies KIR..

Pls ignore my last comment. It was a cut and paste from a previously composed unpublished text during our saber rattling days... Mr mike yeap Chin did have 1001 as MCG said.

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 04:25:38 PDT


Submitted by: KD MCG
From: thankfully not where KIR is from lol

KIR-again, you're taking things personal against those who are being honest. I have been open...leave with it??? Your ability to extrapolate clearly knows no bounds. Your spouse is probably scared of you and hence has to like the show lol

Your word obviously is not your bond ergo the alleged hiatus you mentioned. Yes, but the cousin thing is tiresome...mind you, in the original Chin was related to many.

Live with this! Compared to the second show, this one lacked flai.

That said, I would have hoped for more clues to MCG's fathers death and more exchanges with the Governor. Maybe next week.

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 04:20:53 PDT


Submitted by: Leonard
From: Los Angeles

I've been holding off on making a post until after I see at least a couple of episodes. The only real beef I have so far is that in the opening, they cut a chorus out of the theme song so they can (most likely) stuff in another commercial. Otherwise:

IMHO: Good acting and plots. Gorgeous shots of Hawaii in hi-def. I do not compare the old with the new. I enjoy both for what they are. If you like the new one, there's a lot of fun (including complete episodes and iTune downloads) at http://www.cbs.com/primetime/hawaii_five_0/.

PS: Love the "Hollywood Meets Hawaii" music video. u$¢ finally got something right. :D

Aloha.

Added: Tuesday 05 October 2010 01:38:52 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

I thought the episode was great. They are developing the group as a tight knit group that care about each other and feel like family. Important when you depend on each other for your lives.They should know each other outside of their work for that.
They have been trained by real SEALS to use the real weaponry and how to hold those weapons and correctly use them.Can't get more real than that!
It shows off Hawaii because Hawaii wants them to show it off. It is politics for Hawaii and it is why the show is given tax breaks. Live with it!
What? You don't know people that have more than one cousin?

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 23:42:02 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver BC

"Another cousin??? What is going on? Do people really call their relatives "cuz"?"

HELLO! Didn't Chin Ho in the original have a lot of "relatives" too?

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 23:21:35 PDT


Submitted by: JulieS
From: Australia

"Oh yeah, can you recall any times when JL-McGarrett "hung out" with the other guys from Five-O?"

At the start of "Man in a Steel Frame" where McGarrett is playing tennis with Danno.

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 22:41:25 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike (again)
From: Vancouver BC

Oh yeah, can you recall any times when JL-McGarrett "hung out" with the other guys from Five-O?

At the end of Number One With a Bullet, he shows up at the concert Yvonne Elliman is giving (but then he has an interest in this show, having given her a big pep talk about how she should get on with her life). The way he grooves with the music as Yvonne is singing in this show is pretty funny.

Didn't JL-McG also hang out at a boxing match?

I'm talking about examples where he was not there on the job, but just to relax and have a good time.

Speaking of grooving with the music, I think it is pretty cute the way it looks like Grace Park is bopping along with the Five-O theme for a second or two as she is watching the football game from today's show in the main titles.

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 22:22:56 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver BC

"The chase through the market and the scene in the pizza shop were good."

The chase through the market had virtually the same music as that in the previous show accompanying the shootout at the beginning.

Once again, the music was crap (not to mention non-stop), and it is becoming VERY annoying.

The pizza shop owner should have been played by Joe Pesci.

These insert shots of people surfing, jumping off cliffs, and doing typical Hawaiian things are not necessary. They had shots like this in some of the old show's first season (like the beginning of The Box) because Hawaii was a novelty at the time. Not any more!

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 22:16:39 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

This is the first episode I've seen in "real time" (not on my DVR) so I couldn't fast-forward through the ads. Some of those other CBS shows being promoed look absolutely AWFUL! I would sooner set myself on fire than watch any of them.

About the wiggly-wobbly camera - that's been fashionable for several years now. I forget who started it, but it's the most annoying thing. Directors think it's "edgy" and "cool", I guess. I noticed in the first two episodes they kept it to a minimum. I appreciated that.

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 21:17:55 PDT


Submitted by: Margaet Monarrez
From: Mesa, Az

Awesome show love it, actors are great, action is great, love it..

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 21:08:26 PDT


Submitted by: DJ
From: Kalamazoo,MI

I think it may end up being ok by the end of the season, it got it's name in the third show now.But I think the CUZ should have been the new Wo Fat or like character. The constant b!tching needs to halt soon. I didnt care for the beer drinking while the shark interrogation was going on,that is not something done even in the hipocracy of today.Other than that I think it may eventually turn into something worth looking at every week. The camera shaking/ shuttering gives me a headache.If you look at anything else on TV it isn't any worse.. especially that show just before it.

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 20:59:43 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Not "horrible", but not great. This one was a couple of notches below the first two episodes. Disappointing.

Pluses: The chase through the market and the scene in the pizza shop were good. I liked the iodine thing. The casino scene worked well up until the commercial break - afterwards everything came apart.

I admired Danno's wigout in the car and his big scene emoting to the intercom but I would have preferred less custody-drama and more explication of the main plot. What was their plan in going to the casino? What did they hope to accomplish except to look gorgeous in suits? (Not that there's anything WRONG with that....) and where did they get the Ferrari? Is it just sitting around in an HPD garage waiting to act as a prop for undercover guys?

Minuses: climactic shootout was confusing. I HATE fight scenes where you can't tell what's going on (e.g., in the movie "Gladiator";) - they're worse than useless. Explanation of McG's "Five-0" football number (and soon to be task-force moniker) was really far-fetched.

Some reference to the investigation of McG's father's murder and the search for Hess would have been nice.

Chin is the mole! Or at least, he has some connection to the mole. I could see McG's spidey sense was tingling in that last scene....

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 20:52:46 PDT


Submitted by: KD MCG
From: a colorized,digitized Hawai'i

The show tries too hard. Nothing sets this show apart from anything else. Need better scripts otherwise this will end up dead in the water. Lose the excessive banter-most of which is self evident and obvious. How about a proper office. Characters need to be more likeable. Yes, I like Danno as the star.

Another cousin??? What is going on? Do people really call their relatives "cuz"

Where did Steve get his forensics training

Agree with the James Bond critique. Five-0 was a drama and many facets missing. Will watch until the 6 episodes are done, but doesn't seem promising. Being open, but the writing...

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 20:48:04 PDT


Submitted by: Colby
From: Reidsville, NC USA

Excellent episode tonight...wrapped up very neatly at the end, and McGarrett breaking the fourth wall after the explanation for the number on his jersey at the end was a nice touch. The scene where McGarrett crushed the dude into the Pick Your Own Pearl cart was bad#ss. I'm glad there wasn't a sappy reconciliation between Sid and Chin...the fade as Chin walks away was nicely executed. Danno going troppo in the car was amusing...not sure if that was the intention, but the expressions from Caan were priceless. He's just fabulous, and O'Loughlin is damn good too. It's a shame we can't all just enjoy it, but you can't please all the people all the time, I reckon.

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 20:37:58 PDT


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Pittsburgh

I was beginning to like the reboot or whatever, but I was kind of bored tonight. It was too James Bond-ish. Nothing wrong with James Bond, but the series has to have its own identity. Also, it was predictable. I figured Danno would resolve the custody dispute and that Chin Ho's cousin would change his mind. I'll keep watching. Hopefully the show will find his footing again next week.

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 20:22:19 PDT


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Pittsburgh

H50 Forever, by "2 1/2 episodes" do you mean that you quit midway through tonight's episode? I'm assuming that you couldn't stand another minute.

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 20:13:31 PDT


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: My heart is in Hawai`i

So, Kahala Beach is now called Waialae Beach (at least, according to the 2.1 people. They taped the conversation between Kona and Sid right outside the Kahala Beach Apartments, where Jack and Marie lived. No, they didn't show the complex, only the far tip of the peninsula.

No improvement this week. Gov. Pat Jameson's state is about to get the socks sued off it by the suspects and witnesses that are taken out in the middle of the ocean to be frightened by sharks, dangled from rooftops, etc. As for me, I'd like to sue the cinematographer for using the horrible yellow and green filters. As has been said before Hawai`i does not need help being beautiful.

I've given 2.1 2-1/2 episodes. Couldn't take more than that. No more. It's horrible!!!!!

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 20:03:58 PDT


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Chicago

AWWWW.....Very Cool ending to tonight's episode. The team is really coming together!

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 20:01:20 PDT


Submitted by: Big Chicken (Original recipe, Never rebooted)
From: Just Say No to the Off-Brand Five-O

Alternative reality, think you on to somethin there Bill. Maybe the Five-Zero remake is really like a reverse LIFE ON MARS. Instead of a Brit cop waking up back in the 70s – It’s 1976 and while being tortured by Wo Fat, Jack Lord’s Steve McGarrett hallucinates he’s an Aussie pretty boy in 2010 who no longer cares about law and Justice or police procedure. Dano is some loudmouth from New Jersey and Kono’s a chick. Then when he wakes up he finds out it ain’t Wo Fat but the empty suits at CBS and some plagiarizin’ producers who are behind the whole thing. Hopefully Steve can get back to reality and save us from these most bogus developments. Hurry Steve! Godspeed my Brudda!

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 19:36:01 PDT


Submitted by: Dalen Quaice
From: Burbank, CA, USA

The silver Chevrolet Camaro driven by Steve in Ep 2 (of the new series) has police lights in front grill and has the license plate: DVZ-399. Source: approx 12:10 seconds into the episode.

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 18:54:34 PDT


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: New York City

I saw Seth Sakai in an 80s movie called THE GOLDEN SEAL. He's a good actor.

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 18:00:07 PDT


Submitted by: Bill
From: Lantana Florida

Mr. Mike,

You have some interesting season 2 episodes. I just want to point out one irregularity. It concerns the episode titled 'Maka ihu'.

The only women's prison in Hawaii is in Kailua, on the windward side of Oahu.

http://hawaii.gov/psd/corrections/institutions-division/prisons/womens-community-correctional-center

Of course your episode could be in an alternate reality. The same one where Jack Lord and Alex O'Laughlin both play a character named Steve McGarrett. Maybe I'll wake up back in the real world.

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 16:26:32 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

The mole is Ben Kokua? But we haven't met him yet, correct?

Do you remember that Dirty Harry movie, "Magnum Force", with the secret internal squad of renegade motorcycle cops? If I recall correctly, David Soul and Tim Matheson were the bad cops. I'm sure there are a ton of other untrustworthy-cop movies but that's the one that immediately comes to mind.

"I found the transition from McGarrett bitching out the Governor at Pearl Harbor at the beginning of the show to him suddenly renewing his friendship with Chin Ho Kelly (Daniel Dae Kim) too abrupt."

Yeah, I didn't like that either. Bad and implausible transition. McG is too cheerful. Also, what a coincidence, Chin Ho just happens to work right there.

I do like the big firefight in the teaser, with all that stuff blowing up. Great to have a sensational opening for the very first show.

I'm in the middle of watching "Cocoon", which I haven't seen in years. I forgot how rude McG was to Chin - he's already told him to "Sit down and shut up" twice!! I love the scene where Kono eats McG's sandwich.

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 16:20:00 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver BC

This discussion about the mole in HPD leads me to believe no one knows who this is. This is revealed not only in the pilot script (link in the Guestbook archives) but also in my anal-ysis of the pilot episode. Now go find 'em and be surprised!

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 15:23:53 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Oh.And the interviewer pronounced it wrong. His name is O'Loughlin, pronounced:

O-lock-lin, NOT O-lofflin.

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 14:36:52 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

LOL

He is a great guy, very funny and nice.

In one interview for when he starred in The Back Up Plan with J Lo the interviewer asked him if he had a deal breaker with any date. He answered that his date could not have a (male part of the anatomy.) LOL

That was his deal breaker! ;)

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 14:35:23 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

This is a funny interview:

http://bit.ly/bkgQSn

O'Laughlin "confesses" that he and Scott Caan are "fond of each other" and talks about their moving to Hawaii together. LOL! I have to admit, I like these guys. They have charm.

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 13:17:47 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

This one is longer but not much more edifying:

http://bit.ly/cHsMGB

Aaaarrgghh!! That ET guy - what a maroon!!! O'Laughlin looks genuinely irritated by the "pop quiz".

I wanted to see more of the view from the Ilikai balcony, drat it! Any more of that to be found anywhere?

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 12:58:47 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

The line on the father's cassette recording goes: "Can't continue this investigation into the police department from the inside. I don't trust the people I work with so I'm gonna have to do this on my own."

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 12:41:52 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Check that! It starts at :49 of the clip from my previous post.

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 12:40:48 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

After some investigative work, I finally found the ET interview where the guy asked Alex if there was any romance brewing between Alex and Scott and he says, "No!"

It is at :54 of the clip.

http://bit.ly/dx4tge

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 12:37:58 PDT


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Pittsburgh

Keeping It Real and Heather-Rose, thank you both for the feedback concerning the mole in the HPD. I forgot the line about John McGarrett not trusting the people he worked with. I hope this plot point will be developed in future episodes. Makes sense!

I have to also cast my vote for Tommy Fujiwara as a favorite contributing actor. Raymond and Heather-Rose look for him in "The Grandstand Play, Part 2." When he talks to Danno and Steve about how much he loves to snoop, he steals the scene! Even the camera is totally focused on him to the exclusion of the others.

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 12:06:49 PDT


Submitted by: Dalen Quaice
From: Burbank, CA, USA

Extreme blowup of the license plate area of the Chevy Express getaway van from Ep 2 (of the new series):

http://www.fileserve.com/file/tXzQUcH

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 11:47:36 PDT


Submitted by: Steven
From: Miami

Since part of my "payment" is to discuss the season sent to me by Mr. Mike--thanks again, Mike--I thought I'd start dolloping the guestbook with some season twelve thoughts:

Almost finished with S12 and while it's not as bad as everyone says it is, the stories all have plotholes that Kono and Truck could walk through side by side. But that's network TV, circa 1979.

Something that's odd about season 12 is how Duke rarely functions as a member of Five-O. You'd think that after being with the show in some form or another that he'd get more screen time. More often than not, he's absent from the action.

It's also strange that Truck's position in Five-O is as a per diem or unofficial member of the team. Even though he gets shown in the opening credits, which is something poor Duke didn't earn until season nine! In addition to that, the "haole" members of Five-O, Kimo and Lori, get top billing over the longserving Duke.

Doug Mossman, another stock player, returns in "The Kahuna" as a small-island policeman, which must be some kind of accomplishment considering the fact that he was banished from the team after that most troubled of seasons, season seven.

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 11:45:54 PDT


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Chicago

Mr. Mike wrote: By the way, take a close look at the guy playing the father in the elevator. He is a dead ringer for a young Robert Witthans, the late actor who played many small parts in the original show like military bigshots, McGarrett's barber, etc.

The actor's name is Paul Klink. I couldn't find out if he is related to Robert Witthans or not. But I found this interesting article about him. (Hope the link works)

http://newsfornatives.com/blog/2010/10/01/paul-leo-klink/

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 11:38:23 PDT


Submitted by: Dalen Quaice
From: Burbank, CA, USA

Mike, the getaway van from Ep 2 (of the new series) is a blue metallic Chevrolet Express. I see no license plate on it (not even one that is painted out). I've lightened the frame and blown it up, and I don't see any numbers. You can see the bolts where the license plate attaches.

Also, the car that Kono is driving is a Red Chevy Malibu. There are no front license plates on it, and I don't think we ever see the rear.

Both the Express and the Malibu are seen at the end after the explosion. Neither has any plates then, either.

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 11:14:48 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Barbara:

I think that mole in the HPD is going to be part of the whole season story arc. Remember they are telling three stories :
1) the weekly case, which also sometimes may take longer to resolve than every week
2) the character's personal lives
3) and the story arc about Steve's Dad's killer and finding him.

That mole story I bet will be part of the overall arc of the season.

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 11:08:53 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Barbara, there was also a reference to a mole earlier in the episode, I think on McG's father's tape. I forget the exact wording but he says something like "I don't trust the people I work with." That's why McG is about to steal the toolbox when Danno walks in on him. Also the main reason he's going somewhat "rogue" - because he can't trust the current establishment. That was my impression anyway.

Raymond: forgot to second you on Tom Fujiwara! He may be my favorite H50 guest actor. He was in a bunch of episodes, too.

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 11:05:32 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Barbara;

LOL You can just imagine what hubby and I were arguing about. But I told him if he didn't at least give it a chance than he can officially consider himself an old fart and I would need to find a younger model to be with. LOL

That did not go over well BUT he did watch and he liked it.

*phew*

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 11:00:24 PDT


Submitted by: Big H
From: Raleigh, NC

Raymond asks: "Are there any other guest actors you find especially fun to watch?"

Yeah, Kwan Hi Lim....he played the ultimate slimeball crook/lawyer, esp in the Vashon trilogy.

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 10:47:47 PDT


Submitted by: boris
From: spfld, ma

So Mike, the first two episodes of the remake got higher ratings than Sweet Terror, a Bullet for McGarret and The King Kamehameha Blues. Hahahaha. Wooo-hooo!

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 10:03:51 PDT


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: New York City

I just got a bootleg copy of a 'reboot' third season show. It's poor quality, but interesting. In the episode, Chin Ho and Kono are doing bong hits and come up a mischievous plan. They exhume the corpse of Richard Denning and take a bunch of pictures with their iPhones.

The pictures are quite embarrassing when they end up as evidence in court. The officers are suspended for three months, which gives Milton Selzer the opportunity to smuggle a huge bundle of opium from Afghanistan. He hides it in McG's panama hat.

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 10:00:16 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver BC

Good point about the guy's GF, Keeping. In fact, the yellow paper in the kitchen drawer has Cyrillic writing on it which a friend took a look at and said "Some of it says 'he wants a meeting - morning'." I am working on getting the rest of this translated. But you have to wonder why the GF would leave this paper in the drawer. This is not really something that she would have to remember (she would call her pals immediately) and there is no real reason why she would keep it. As well, the GF takes the son to >her< house, not the house where Lowrey lived which had all the fancy computer equipment in the hidden room. There are questions about how "related" the GF and Lowrey were.

Dalen, if you look at the camera footage of the T-boning, there are all sorts of discrepancies. For example, in the first camera shot, there are these long shadows like from telephone poles on the ground, but in a subsequent shot, these shadows aren't there, and in the last such shot, there is even what looks like the shadow of a tree. Different shots from the "traffic camera" have different numbers at the bottom (these are not "the time" either), suggesting there was more than one camera, even though Chin Ho only pointed out one originally. And the final "camera shot" is of the wounded guy going into a back door, presumably of the hotel building. But this camera has no number at all on the bottom. Is it the traffic camera or ANOTHER security camera? The traffic camera isn't like the one in Blade Runner which can go around corners!

Also note the license plates on the getaway van (what make is this?). I originally thought it had no license plates, but the license plates are blacked out on the top (you can see just a small amount of the plates at the bottom). This truck is later seen at Dillingham Field outside the warehouse-like building. If the plates were blacked out, this would be a dumb move because the cops could pick up on this easily.

By the way, take a close look at the guy playing the father in the elevator. He is a dead ringer for a young Robert Witthans, the late actor who played many small parts in the original show like military bigshots, McGarrett's barber, etc.

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 09:39:22 PDT


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Chicago

Mr. Mike - What are you smoking?? :D

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 09:35:59 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver BC

Just uncovered, another second season show!

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/2010-log2.htm

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 09:23:59 PDT


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Pittsburgh

Just remembered: in the first episode a probable mole was discovered in the Honolulu Police Department when someone there texted back that Kono was a cop. Nothing more was said about it. I would have thought the team would have been digging to uncover the mole.

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 08:50:39 PDT


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Pittsburgh

Keeping It Real, your husband wouldn't watch the new show until recently because he said it wasn't 5-0? I can only imagine the back and forth that went on in your household! Glad to know that he is watching, likes it, and peace has been restored. LOL! I must admit, I like it too, as long as I take it on its own.

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 08:46:21 PDT


Submitted by: Dalen Quaice
From: Burbank, CA, USA

Both of the vehicles crashed at the beginning of show number 2 (of the new series) are Fords.

The white truck is a Ford E 350 van and the black SUV is an Explorer. Most interesting is that the crash is supposed to be at an intersection, but it happens on a sandy beach area right next to a parking lot! Notice when Chin Ho views the footage of the crash from the Traffic Cam that there are no other cars in the picture other than the white van and the black SUV. Where are the rest of the cars on the road seen out the windows of the SUV when the crash occurs?

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 08:06:07 PDT


Submitted by: Sylvia
From: A land where classic TV rules :)

Here's a debate about the two shows:

http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/78914

And a PR release about the new one:

http://tinyurl.com/252jk8p

Added: Monday 04 October 2010 06:47:24 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

http://bit.ly/aD2wiU

An interview with Alex on his take for the new show.

Added: Sunday 03 October 2010 23:54:09 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Now Mike.Don't forget there is the girlfriend who sleeps with him and probably gets his more personal schedule, which is why she is there. He trusted her.

The rest? This is TV and so you need to suspend belief a little. That means the probable is not as important as the possible. LOL

Sit back and ride the fantasy wave. Enjoy the rush and the ride. TV is entertainment. Nothing more. Remember, this isn't CSI.

My hubby, who is 66 years old, finally watched the first two episodes, after denying it is H50. He asked me to tape all the episodes. He likes it. LOL

Added: Sunday 03 October 2010 23:41:40 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The setup for the kidnapping at the beginning of the second show was not logical. A bunch of ragtag Serbians formulate an elaborate plan (which, by the way, is to sell some mysterious goods and/or services to some equally mysterious Asian-looking guys -- huh?) and they know that the very secretive ex-NSA computer whiz Lowrey will be able to help them jam the radar so the Asian guys can fly in to pick up the goods. And the Serbians also know exactly where the computer whiz Lowrey will be at 6:15 a.m. on some specific morning, even though this was not a result of them following him on his daily routine (like JL-McGarrett going to the barber in Blood Money is Hard to Wash). It sounds like the paranoid Lowrey rarely went out of his house. Visiting the army bigshot General Nathanson was not something Lowrey did every day. Is there a mole in Nathanson's staff?

The ending is equally illogical. The entire Five-O team (minus Kono who is taken by the Serbians as a hostage) just happens to be driving in the middle of nowhere, and >>the<< crucial plane contaning the Asians that is flying "under the radar" passes overhead. Chin Ho immediately knows that something sinister is going on and that the plane will land at Dillingham Field!

Added: Sunday 03 October 2010 23:17:51 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Al Harrington recalls the original Five-O (interview from Sunday Deseret News):

http://bit.ly/a4g3O3

Added: Sunday 03 October 2010 23:04:36 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Michael Timothy:

I saw that on the live feed from the premiere in Hawaii.So far though, we haven't seen any of those cars except the Camero. But it is early in the show. Maybe those are the cars that they crashed? LOL

Added: Sunday 03 October 2010 20:50:04 PDT


Submitted by: Michael Timothy
From: Palatine, IL

I was at the world premiere on the beach on September 13 and know a little bit about this Chevy Silverado stuff. A separate "red carpet" was prepared for vehicles. I saw 4 new Chevy products arrive just at sunset, and believe that the 4 stars got out of each car (I couldn't see clearly because of all the press activity). There was 1) Dark Blue Silverado pickup, 2) Silver Camaro coupe, 3) Metallic Red Cobalt, 4) dark colored (black?) sport utility, Equinox or Trail Blazer. I think it reasonable to presume that these are the actual vehicles supplied by GM/Chevy, and that they will be used, and used hard on the show.

Added: Sunday 03 October 2010 20:18:28 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Interesting. This is the only article that said that, I think. They are the WSJ so they should be checking their facts. Maybe the Powers That Be decided it would be hard to have the show be all tech-savvy and Danno in a nice Camero and then Steve in some pick-up truck.

Maybe he will have both?

Added: Sunday 03 October 2010 20:13:38 PDT


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: New York City

Heather, THE SINGAPORE FILE is a great episode. You feel like you're really on this adventure with McG and N.W.

I love when the police chief in Singapore says something to effect: "Mr. McGarrett, Singapore is full of sinister entanglements."

Added: Sunday 03 October 2010 18:09:14 PDT


Submitted by: Dalen Quaice
From: Burbank, CA, USA

I'm not sure where I heard about the Chevy pickup, BUT rest assured I didn't just make it up. It was reported in the Wall St. Journal.

Last line of the article: "McGarrett drives a Chevy Silverado pickup truck."

http://bit.ly/9wZBrF

Added: Sunday 03 October 2010 17:56:25 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Never heard anywhere about a Chevy pickup???

Added: Sunday 03 October 2010 17:35:05 PDT


Submitted by: Dalen Quaice
From: Burbank, CA, USA

Definitely a knod (even if indirectly) to Magnum PI as the Ferrari California GT has styling/lines similar to the 308 GTS that was used in the Magnum PI series... as you might be aware, there are direct references to H50 and McGarrett in the Magnum PI series.

Have they abandoned the plan for Steve to drive a Chevy pickup?

Added: Sunday 03 October 2010 17:09:58 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Lessons of the Fall: Cancellations Begin as CBS Hits Lessons of the Fall: Cancellations Begin as CBS Hits Lessons of the Fall: Cancellations Begin as CBS Hits Stir

While established franchises continue to dominate prime time, the crop of new series looks promising. Three CBS programs have emerged as the most-watched freshman shows of the young season, as the Hawaii Five-O refresh has averaged 13.5 million viewers and a 3.9 rating/11 share among 18-49s while Mike & Molly has drawn 11.7 million viewers and a 3.8/10 demo rating. Leading out of the successfully transplanted Big Bang Theory, the premiere of the Twitter-generated William Shatner comedy $#*! My Dad Says scared up 12.6 million viewers and a 4.0/12 Thursday night at 8:30.

Added: Sunday 03 October 2010 17:08:43 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Steve's car:

It's a 2010 Ferrari California Convertible GT $210,000 MSRP

Added: Sunday 03 October 2010 16:22:34 PDT


Submitted by: Anne
From: Tangerine

Heather-Rose & Barbara, I loved Marj Dusay as Nicole Wiley. Singapore File is one of my top 10s as there was some great chemistry between Steve and Nicole, excellent action episode. One of the great scenes is when Danno reads the telegram Steve sends to 5-0 headquarters and then says to Chin & Kono - Steve's in trouble. D ;) Singapore File definitely was a great springboard for some fanfiction. The idea of Ms. Dusay on the new show would be great!

If the car Danno & McG drive in the next episode is a Ferrari could this be a tip of the hat to Magnum PI?

Added: Sunday 03 October 2010 16:17:35 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Barbara - what an excellent idea, Marj Dusay appearing on the new show!! I wish that would happen!

Mr Mike's post about the truck reminded me - I noted that in the little promo clip, McG's ride appears to be a Ferrari. I wonder how that gets explained - especially to the show's automotive sponsors :)

Added: Sunday 03 October 2010 15:54:16 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver BC

I am applying my usual strict standards of "turgid anal-ysis" to the stunt at the beginning of show #2 where the former NSA guy's black truck is T-boned by the bad guys.

There is actually what might be a cool in-joke with this accident, considering that General Motors is now a "sponsor" of the show. The black truck is a >>Ford<<! So the first vehicle which is totalled on the new show is a Ford. (You will recall Ford was associated with the entire original Five-O and based on some of the cars used in the pilot episode for the new show, it looked like history was going to repeat itself.)

Anyway, when the white truck first hits the black truck from its right side (looking forward), the front of the black truck goes flying off to its left (see front camera angle of the truck), but in a subsequent rear shot of the scene, this is not the case.

Also, in succeeding shots of the white truck when the bad guys start shooting, you can see behind the truck is a bunch of foliage. But this white truck came out of nowhere at super fast speed and I don't recall the white truck spun around or anything, though I might have to look at this more carefully. So the foliage behind this truck doesn't make sense, it should be a street behind the white truck.

You also have to wonder ... if they T-boned the NSA guy's van, wasn't there a chance that they might kill or seriously injure him? What if he was not wearing his seatbelt, for example, even though being a paranoid-geeky-anal-computer-security ex-NSA type, this was probably unlikely.

Added: Sunday 03 October 2010 15:22:31 PDT


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Chicago

Heather-Rose - I, too, love Marj Dusay, especially in "The Singapore File." She was employed by CBS up until "The Guiding Light" was cancelled a year ago. So, I would just love to see her do something on the new show. A lot of folks on this sight seem to like her, too. :o

Added: Sunday 03 October 2010 14:34:41 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Otto, my fave ep is "The Singapore File". I love Marj Dusay and her interplay with Jack. Several years ago I and a couple of other H50 fans were lucky enough to have lunch with her in NY (my father, a professional photographer, had taken photos of her when she was modeling back in the '60s) and we discussed the show. She's a really nice lady.

Added: Sunday 03 October 2010 14:14:13 PDT


Submitted by: Bobbie Foster
From: Idaho

Hi! I'm so happy they're doing a remake. I grew up watching this show an Jack Lords was my first crush at 4 yrs old. I'm watching the new show with new eyes. Nothing can ever be remade. Times have changed. Now I watch the show w my lil girl. Crazy. Still think Jack was the man. Never forget your 1st love!
:!devil:

Added: Sunday 03 October 2010 13:38:07 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Steve;
I think that is the real key to this. if you just realize that this H50, although it tries to put in special tributes to the old show, is an entirely different animal, and try to enjoy it for its own value, you can like the new show. if you insist on seeing the old show x2 you will be unhappy.

Added: Sunday 03 October 2010 12:26:23 PDT


Submitted by: Steve
From: UK

Well, after much searching I managed to find a way to view the new pilot from here in the UK - I must say, I was fearing the worse, but I'm happy to report that its not as bad as I thought it would be, in fact it was pretty good. I loved the original, this is different, VERY different, but I think it'll find a market. Surprisingly, even my my 80 yr old father liked it and trust me, he's no advocate of the modern day action movie / series - promising!

Added: Sunday 03 October 2010 12:05:05 PDT


Submitted by: Dalen Quaice
From: Burbank, CA, USA

That looks a lot like the dancing men from the "Adventure of the Dancing Men," a Sherlock Holmes story by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle from 1903. In that story, it is a substitution cipher.

http://bit.ly/bZteid

Added: Sunday 03 October 2010 11:33:21 PDT


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: New York City

In THE JOKER'S WILD, MAN, WILD when Miss Mailer leaves McG's office, Danno says, "Well, we didn't have anything solid to hold her on." and McG replies, "I've got something solid, Danno." What do we make of THAT line?

Added: Sunday 03 October 2010 11:15:48 PDT


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Chicago

VERY COOL, Mr. Mike! You should be a detective. I went back and watched that scene. He closed the box so fast that I never even noticed there was an envelope in the box. Stunning detective work!

This is the kind of discussion this site should be doing instead of all the sensitivities about age, politics and sexual preferences. Thanks for the posting.

Added: Sunday 03 October 2010 10:19:13 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver BC

INTERESTING!

When Danno goes to visit McGarrett at the beginning of show #2, McGarrett is listening to his father's tape which was in the toolbox with the Champion sparkplug label on it.

McGarrett closes the box, but if you look VERY quickly (this only lasts for a few frames), you can see there is an envelope in the box.

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/images/championbox1.jpg
http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/images/championbox2.jpg

It is addressed to John (presumably McGarrett) and the street address starts with 404, which was McGarrett's street number in the original show (404 Piikoi Street, which is a real address, across the street from the Ala Moana Shopping Centre).

The postal code on this letter is 96821, which is not the code for 404 Piikoi Street which is 96814.

If you investigate the 96821 postal code with Google maps -- http://bit.ly/dgNrpB -- it turns out to be a location in the middle of nowhere where there aren't even any roads. It is not the beach house where McGarrett's father was living when he was shot.

Also notice on the letter, there are what looks like some stick men drawn in semaphore code. I looked up some of these characters here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_semaphore

But aside from the letters U, N and U, this "message" doesn't seem to make any sense.

Added: Sunday 03 October 2010 09:44:07 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver BC

Just remember, not everyone loved the old show. From IMDB:

The original was boring as hell. I only watched it because that's what the rest of my family watched. I hated it. The only good thing about it was the theme music. And Jack Lord? Really? You think he was a good actor?

Added: Sunday 03 October 2010 09:02:43 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Daniel Dae Kim stars in "Hyundai Monday" commercials in Canada:

http://www.mediaincanada.com/articles/mic/20100917/hyundaimonday.html

I have never seen one of these commercials. If there were any in last week's broadcast on Global, my copy of that show was screwed as previously mentioned (no video), so I didn't bother watching it, just in case there were any of these commercials during the show itself...

Added: Sunday 03 October 2010 08:24:53 PDT


Submitted by: Steven
From: Miami

Whatever happened to stalwart Five-O fan Mike Granieri? I've been reading his insightful and often-amusing comments at the sadly inactive Mark and Julie Five-O site.

BTW, almost finished viewing S12 and am ready to discuss those shows with any interested people.

Added: Sunday 03 October 2010 07:00:43 PDT

Mr. Mike comments: Mike Granieri has been a regular contributor in the H50FC group at Yahoo for years. In fact, he has just posted there in the last few days, including some comment in response to my "Season 2" episode list, thinking that the show really has been renewed (gotcha!). He has never posted here in the Guestbook.


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Here are the YT clips we made for showing you the H50 news special here in LA only:

PART ONE:

http://bit.ly/delbeQ

PART TWO:

http://bit.ly/daYRuX

PART THREE:

http://bit.ly/cLNKMA

PART FOUR:

http://bit.ly/aC8Xe4

Added: Sunday 03 October 2010 02:37:42 PDT


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: New York City

Heather, if you were asked which episode was your fave, what would you say?

I don't think i could answer that. But i might mention HOOKMAN, and/or so many others... 10,000 Diamonds and a Heart? Oh, it's too difficult to say.......

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 23:30:11 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

The news special was an hour long. I have a friend who is YTing it and it will probably take 4 clips to get it all. They talk a little about the old show with a few scenes but of course it is about the new show. They talked to the HPD and the HPD were advisers on the show to be sure it was done realistically. They also consulted with the military and the cast and crew received training in the handling of real weapons which they will mostly be using during the show. They have specialist there all the time for safety reasons so no one gets hurt.Many interesting aspects are discussed about the show and perhaps a few of your concerns are addressed.They also talk about Hawaii and the food,etc, found on the island.

I will bring the link over here when they are finished.

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 23:28:46 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

OK, Otto, that's fine with me.

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 22:18:33 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

NEWS FLASH:

Tonight 10/2 on the west coast "CBS News Special: Hawaii Five-0" to be broadcast at 10 p.m. On tvguide.com it says the new Hawaii Five 0 will be examined. It is an hour long on CBS.

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 20:53:29 PDT


Submitted by: Raymond
From: Burbank

I just finished watching "The Burning Ice" episode and realized what an incredible actor Tom Fujiwara is. Whenever he is in a scene, I swear, he can send chills down my spine due to the realism he portrays. Like when he says to Harper, "Sea Life Park....make it noon." The direction is excellent there too. The way he looks down just before he says it and they cut the scene quick.

I also remember seeing him in "You Don't Have To Kill To Get Rich- But it Helps". I remember seeing him in the hotel saying to Tolliver, "Sure, mister you have a gun... but you can't use it." He has to be my favorite guest actor on Hawaii Five-0.

Are there any other guest actors you find especially fun to watch?

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 20:43:27 PDT


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: New York City

No, Heather-Rose, they were not my comments. And we all love Five-O and i wish we could come together on that. I saw a conservative-bashing comment and it took me into tunnel-vision. I'm conservative, mostly, and most my close friends are NOT, but who cares, especially on this website?

The new show has created a divide. I personally have no interest in the new show, and have not watched it, but who cares? I have a few friends who have watched it and they liked it. Good.

Honestly i'm not sure what we're supposed to debate about.

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 20:31:16 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Barbara:

It doesn't matter if it has been on Google alerts and that Lenkov tweeted about the bed scene. You still have the choice of opening the alert or going to the link. To outright put it on the thread without a warning is poor posting manners. You say spoiler alert and then you put up the link. Simple.

I agree. Some of us are conservative, libertarian, or liberal. We shouldn't drag politics here as I said back when this was posted. Then we change the dynamic of this board, which is all things H50, into a political fight. This is not the place for that.

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 20:23:17 PDT


Submitted by: JulieS
From: Australia

My apologies for any confusion I have caused in my posts. In the future I think it will be just safer to talk about the original series and wait see what happens with the newer one. :o

When the new series does air in Australia (not until early 2011), I'll let you know what the ratings for it were and the reception given to it by Aussie viewers.

Here are some links to classic Aussie TV guides to show you when the show was on air here...

1981 - http://bit.ly/d1QxfB
1988 - http://bit.ly/9EjFZ0

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 20:21:23 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Are those your opinions that were quoted, Otto?

Whoever originally posted them considered them appropriate for a discussion of the Five-0 show.

If you want to embrace them, I'll debate you.

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 19:47:07 PDT


Submitted by: Ray
From: Portsmouth

Well Barbara, I am apparently on the verge of hearing from Elizabeth's son, if he will ever reply to my message, otherwise, I'm the victim of another hoax at my expense. One takes risks when trying to uncover the truth. Kimo....you're not being the bad boy again, are you? Just kidding...

Check the latest..this is either the biggest prank, or truly a fascinating online family drama being played out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC5Fpt6rRaA

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 19:25:07 PDT


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: New York City

To Heather-Rose,
Why are you and other people using this site to air your political opinions? Aren't we FIVE-O fans? Why are we off-topic so much? So you think conservatives like me shouldn't be allowed to vote? That's not exactly a new experiment. It's called TOTALITARIANISM.

OK, you think i'm wrong because i'm generally conservative (libertarian to be more precise), but WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH FIVE-O???

I wouldn't blame Mr. Mike if he shut this guestbook down once and for all. It's gone way off the issue of the show we all love.

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 19:17:30 PDT


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Pittsburgh

Re: the Riddle of the Logue. Ray, I can't believe it that you found confirmation from Andrew Duggan's daughter that her mother is indeed not the 5-0 Elizabeth Logue! How do you do it? You would make a great researcher and/or private investigator!! Now if only Ms. Logue would contact you, but that would be the Holy Grail. Well, if anyone could do it, you can!

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 19:02:41 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

"We all wish we could go back to those days, but wishing does not make it so."

No, I DON'T wish we could go back to those halcyon days when women were viewed as lesser beings than men and everyone thought that was perfectly OK. And there were plenty of other stupid ideas that everyone accepted back then which now embarrass civilized people. So, no.

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 18:09:18 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

"And curiously, we never had a 9/11 until we tried to pretend it was a nice peaceful world out there where no one wanted to hurt us. If you were older than 35-ish you’d know that, but you grew up blessed in a time with no war and very few significant threats to the US. Those days were an aberration unlikely to be repeated in our lifetimes. We all wish we could go back to those days, but wishing does not make it so."

WOW!!!!! What an astounding crock of crap. The author of this comment must listen to conservative radio all the time. It's tragic that ignorant people like this are allowed to vote.

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 17:56:58 PDT


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Chicago

Keeping it Real said..."Ever hear of spoiler alerts? Some people don't want to know stuff coming up. I knew but decided to not spill it. Just saying."

Sorry, KIR, but Peter Lenkov twittered this a couple weeks ago and it's been out on google alerts as well.

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 16:32:30 PDT


Submitted by: Ray
From: Porstmouth, NH

Topic: Elizabeth Logue

The Riddle is almost solved. As I alluded to before, after much online research, I had suspected all along that it was entirely coincidental that Andrew Duggan, who appeared in the pilot of original Five-O and subsequent episodes, was married to someone by the name of Elizabeth 'Betty' Logue, who was a broadway dancer in the fifties, NOT the Elizabeth Logue in the opening sequence of Five-O. From another blog, the daughter of Andrew Duggan has finally set the record straight:

Nancy Duggan Benson says:
October 1, 2010 at 22:13

OK…….I am one of the 3 children of Andrew and Elizabeth Duggan (nee Logue) She is NOT the same woman as the Elizabeth Logue of Hawaii 5-0. My mother was born August 10th 1932 and dies June 7th 1988. She was a broadway dancer who met my dad in the production of Paint Your Wagon. They were married for many happy years and both died in 1988. As much as it would be interesting to think my mother was polynesian she was not….Hope this clears a few things up. All of her Broadway credits are correct however. I do not know if the other Elizabeth Logue is alive or not. If my mother were still alive she would be 78 years old.
Nancy Duggan Benson

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 16:12:43 PDT


Submitted by: Alpha128
From: Cleveland, Ohio

Hi Mike. This is alpha128 from the IMDb.

I noticed that your End Credits page for #214. "Practical Jokes Can Kill You" has a page title of "hookman-title". I'm assuming you intended something like the End Credits page for #206, which has the title: "Elegy In A Rain Forest - end credits".

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 15:59:57 PDT

Mr. Mike comments: I was distracted by Lee Purcell. :p


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

@real I thought you were going to lay low and take a hiatus.

LOL I was but then I saw how badly you guys needed me here. :!devil: ;)

And KD MCG:
Ever hear of spoiler alerts? Some people don't want to know stuff coming up. I knew but decided to not spill it. Just saying. :p

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 14:36:25 PDT


Submitted by: KD MCG
From: is that a trick question?

"And they painted daisies on his coffin" is a great episode. The exchanges between MCG and Danny are priceless. That is great banter. The following is paraphrased.

"It's a rotten job..."

"Who told you it was anything else? It better hurt..it better tear your guts out every time you pull that trigger.. "

Meaningful exchanges and Big Chicken to boot-an amazing episode. Go ahead try that in the new show. :D

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 14:14:17 PDT


Submitted by: KD MCG
From: the planet where when creativity fails we just reboot...

@real I thought you were going to lay low and take a hiatus. In about 2 eps, they show MCG in bed so that should clear it up and further distance itself from 1.0.

After watching CSI NY (with Lenkov as showrunner), it seems that they are trying too hard with Five-0;it is far too fast and had it stuck to the genre-that is keep it as a drama not a rapidly moving action show. Slow down and don't force it. I allude to whizzing overly digitized shots of Hawaii thrown in for good measure. Like the original, Hawaii can effortlessly showcase itself, but here there is an attempt on this show to jam everything into the allotted time.

:!cry:

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 13:47:28 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

So I guess we won't be seeing any Fords on the show. LOL

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 12:14:45 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver BC

I guess it is official now. From the end credits to show number two:

Sponsored in part by Hawaiian Airlines and *General Motors*

The end credits are here, by the way: http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/2010-season1/1-2-credits.htm

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 12:07:26 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Dalen, you might want to write Slash. You seem obsessed with the subject.In about two episodes, you will see that Steve is NOT gay. I am not going to say any more about that. ;)

And please don't start with the bisexual talk because then every buddy thing they do you will read more into it. Alex has said in an interview with ET (I believe) when he was asked if Danno and Steve had a more sexual connection, he looked surprised at the question, and clearly said, "No."

You have never had a buddy you confided it, teased, and did outrageous stuff with?" I doubt that, and if not, I feel sorry for you.

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 11:10:03 PDT


Submitted by: Dalen Quaice
From: Burbank, CA, USA

Dalen says: "CBS has recently said publicly they are pushing the gay agenda this year due to pressure from GLAAD" [Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, in case anyone doesn't know].

Mr.Mike Says: Uh, so ... where is the connection to the new Five-O?

Granted, this is not proof one way or the other. Is there anything to suggest that Five-0 is exempt? My point is that the idea of pushing a gay agenda is not entirely out of the question. Five-0 is produced by CBS and airing on CBS -- is there reason to believe that GLAAD would not care about this one specific program on CBS, especially since it's pilot was so highly hyped? Is it not reasonable to think that CBS executives could be pressuring the producers to incorporate some homosexual or bisexual relationships in the series?

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 10:58:36 PDT

Mr. Mike comments: "Is it not reasonable to think that CBS executives could be pressuring the producers to incorporate some homosexual or bisexual relationships in the series?"

No.

This line of discussion is entirely speculative on your part. Why don't you phone up CBS or GLAAD and ask them for some comment?

I really think we should move on.


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Uh, so ... where is the connection to the new Five-O?

I was thinking the same thing, Mike! LOL

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 09:25:04 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Interesting, Mike. But in the interest of avoiding a total political meltdown on this board, I think I will just say, "Whatever floats his boat."LOL

I personally don't have a problem when a fictional TV show is doing things that would be unacceptable in RL. They have made it clear this is fantasy and not a documentary. If Mr.Bob Orci (and BTW he seems to be very little involved in the daily writing of this show--more his brother JROrci is)has strong political views which affected his imagining of the new H50, well, we probably all have things we believe which affect what we do, too.

It is a harmless romp and it is set to watch at a late hour so the young kids won't be influenced by the sex, violence, and political outlook of the show. So I am good.

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 09:24:03 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver BC

Dalen says: "CBS has recently said publicly they are pushing the gay agenda this year due to pressure from GLAAD" [Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, in case anyone doesn't know].

Uh, so ... where is the connection to the new Five-O?

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 09:17:29 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver BC

There were very specific comments from Robert Orci, Five-O writer/producer posted on a Star Trek discussion board which, if read, could give some clues as to why the new Five-O is "the way it is." I posted about this here on September 26th (http://bit.ly/beuqWO).

====

Comment: "You did a good job of paying homage to the original characters in Star Trek (with the exception of Scotty). So why trash the characters of Five-O? And why insult the intelligence of the audience with the 'your way, no red tape' promise from the governor? That might work in a banana republic, but in the US??? Pure fantasy!"

Orci's reply: "That’s how it is in the US my friend! Patriot act, etc. The constitution, currently, is the fantasy."

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Comment: "There’s a little something called Martial Law that governors of states can declare that gives them the power to give carte blanc. While it isn’t explicitly called 'Martial Law' in the U.S. Constitution, the president and Congress each have similar powers that are labeled as Martial Law when either invokes it. As his FIVE-O’s governor is as fictitious as its terrorist cell responsible for Steve’s father’s death, all Bob has to do is have her declare Martial Law in response to that threat, which one can imagine will be there for the duration of the series. And Martial law can be limited or expanded as needed. Even so, Federal Law can still trump FIVE-O and its governor and maybe this is where Bob plans to draw on the PA? [...] Also, Governor is an elected position in Hawaii so there’s a limit to how long this carte blanc can last."

Orci's reply: "Obama has extended the technical state of emergency that Bush decreed after 911. If u follow such things, u know this means thhat the constitution has been suspended for the last decade or so."

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Follow-up comment: "Bob, only a little of it, with very specific limits (essentially terrorism). Basically, our rights went back to about what they were in the 1960s and 1970s (not coincidentally the last time the US was involved in a major war) before Carter, Kennedy and O’Neill neutered the FBI, CIA and other security organizations. I guess that explains the revival of Hawaii Five-O."

Orci's reply: "Very specific limits? I like that. Limiting free speech, very specific. Unlawful search and seizure, very specific. Limiting right to trial by jury, very specific. Allowing the assassination of us citizens, also very specific. Allowing torture, very specific. Undeclared wars, very specific. Aside from thses things, you are right, very limited!"

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Comment: "None of these things [abuses of government, police, military, etc.] began only after 9/11 or are due to the Patriot Act. We’ve always had them to one degree or another (free speech: no, you can’t yell ‘Fire’ in a crowded theater, Korea and Vietnam were undeclared wars as well, read up on J. Edgar Hoover about unlawful search and seizure) And curiously, we never had a 9/11 until we tried to pretend it was a nice peaceful world out there where no one wanted to hurt us. If you were older than 35-ish you’d know that, but you grew up blessed in a time with no war and very few significant threats to the US. Those days were an aberration unlikely to be repeated in our lifetimes. We all wish we could go back to those days, but wishing does not make it so."

Orci's reply: "Agreed that these things are old, but they haven’t been as codified and accepted as they are now. Nixon faced and article of impeachment for his aggression toward neighboring Cambodia during Vietnam. Not today. And thanks to people much older than 35–ish, this slide into whatever we are sliding into has been mostly unopposed. As for nostalgia, seems to me the threats today are much less than they were before."

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Orci's reply to some other comment: "Even if what you have written here were true (which I dispute), we are supposedly lucky enough to live in a country where a its founding document makes it irrelevant [w]ho is in the minority. Certain principles are the law of the land. The ole dads did this precisely to guard against 'factionalism.' Now, you may argue that the ole document is irrelevant. That is at least an intellectually consistent position."

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Orci's reply to someone disputing his comment above about "Very specific limits": "Everything I cited is part of the public record."

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 09:08:53 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

H50 1.0

I guess being a Navy Seal and being medaled for his service and considered the best Commander out there, having graduated from Anapolis and fighting terrorists, putting his life on the line for us, does show a certain lack of moral fiber on Steve's part. I guess I do see your point. NOT! :p
MIKE, THANK YOU FOR ALL THE HARD WORK YOU PUT IN IN ARCHIVING ALL OUR STUFF AND IN WRITING SUMMARIES FOR US.
And still putting with our BS on top of it.

:!cool:

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 09:05:18 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

H50 1.0, slams of the current McG based on an alleged lack of "moral fiber" are quite unwarranted. You are clearly operating from the "He isn't Jack Lord and this isn't the original H50" mindset. Not much to be done about that until you're willing to open your mind to something new.

Anne, "Blind Tiger" is one of my all-time faves too! I love Marion Ross in that one.

Mike, yes, I agree he's headed for a meltdown - I was thinking the same thing. By the way, I'm sorry I can't help you with the archiving thing, but thank you for your all your diligent work over the years on maintaining your treasure trove of H50 info. Long may you wave :)

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 08:23:08 PDT


Submitted by: Dalen Quaice
From: Burbank, CA, USA

I'm not reading the gay agenda into the new show - I didn't just make all this up because I don't like the new show or can't get past that it is reboot of the original.

CBS has recently said publicly they are pushing the gay agenda this year due to pressure from GLAAD.

"We're very disappointed with our track record; we're not happy with ourselves," Nina Tassler said.

http://bit.ly/d5pYjF

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 08:12:05 PDT


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Chicago

Alex O'Loughlin was asked by a reporter (sorry, can't remember which one) if the characters are gay. His answer was an emphatic "no." End of story. Can we move on now??

P.S. As someone posted here, if the characters offend you and you don't like the show, use the remote! That simple.

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 08:02:55 PDT


Submitted by: Anne
From: Tangerine

Yeah, Mr. Mike, not a proud moment in US history about "W" and that's all I will say about that as I don't like discussing politics. This discussion would be worse than beating the dead horse about nuFive-O vs. Classic Five-O.

It amazes me, too, how people can read certain concepts into the arts & media. Some pieces, such as Michelangelo's Pieta can move a person to tears when you see the statue as a mother mourning the loss of her son, some see it through the eyes of their religion. Everyone has a different view.

I will always love the old Five-O and am rooting for the new version. In the original run I started watching with the episode "Blind Tiger". Arghhh 2nd season!! I missed the whole 1st season back then. :!swear: When McGarrett's car blew up, I was hooked. From then on Jerome Coopersmith was my favorite Five-O writer. He alway gave McGarrett some type of grief. My point is, some people may think Blind Tiger was a mediocre episode, but to me...it's my #1 of my top 10.

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 07:54:18 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver BC

I have archived the Guestbook postings for the last week of September which are in the new GB format. You can access these by clicking on the link at the bottom of every GB page. This was not a pleasant experience. I tried to just do a copy and paste of the actual entries on each GB page and create web pages with that, but this proved very problematic. Only five days of postings produced a file which was full of bizarre Microsoft HTML coding that was over 1 megabyte in size. It's already bad enough that the page (which is viewed as one page, not 50 items at a time) is rather unwieldly. Anyway, it is just an archive, which I doubt anyone will ever read anyway...

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 07:35:00 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver BC

This business about "gayness" in the new Five-O is entirely speculative, unless someone wants to quote the producers/writers as having some kind of gay agenda which they are inserting (subliminally or otherwise) into the show. So far I haven't seen Focus on the Family come out with a directive to put the new show on their "do not watch" list. Let's face it, a lot of academic types have built major careers on reading sex into films, literature, and even classical music. I am constantly amazed that anyone who was brainwashed by four or more years of university, parroting back nonsense about sexual and political (for example, Marxist) connotations in works of art, would persist in this kind of thinking after they had left the academic world.

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 07:30:40 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver BC

If the American people can elect George W. Bush to be president (twice), I have no problem with whatever chain of events (bad Five-O reference, I know) resulted in McGarrett becoming a Lieutenant-Commander. I think AO'L's McG is due for a meltdown soon, and will probably end up in the hospital where his nurse, of course, will be played by Elissa.

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 07:19:18 PDT


Submitted by: Hans
From: Boston

Julie, please read my post again, especially the last paragraph.

I think you wrote this…

"Since when does every non-family relationship on television have to end up being about sex? Obviously no-one can be just friends on TV today and that is really sad."

This is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever read here. I haven’t interpreted anything in the new show as sex or gay. My point is I can find things that are much "gayer" in the old show than there are in the new show if you really want to nitpick… there is plenty to critisize in the new show but for some reason some people have this unconditional worship for the old show and a raging hatred for the new to the point they can’t think objectively…

Dalen wrote "It seems the writers of modern TV are incapable of telling a plain old "good story" without it being ultimately about sex in one form or another -- be that directly or implied. They don't really seem to be able to capture the joys of friendship that make living worthwhile"

Huh? I’m just blown away by this, it’s as if we’re watching 2 different shows… where is the sex in the new show? I haven’t seen any yet. There was still more sex in the 1968 pilot than in the 2010 pilot.

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 07:19:13 PDT


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: My heart is in Hawai`i

Heather, a person who lacks moral fiber is nothing, absolutely nothing. So far, AOL's character comes across like he is absolutely nothing. He also acts like an immature child. In the immortal words of Andrea Claire Dupraix, "Act your age," AOL's character. Come to think of it, there are innumerable similarities in the characters of AOL's character and Johnny Fargo's, none of which are any good. Just how did AOL's character not only survive 10+ years in the Navy, but also rise to the rank of LCdr???

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 06:34:56 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

(cont'd)
I understand what you're saying with regard to the trust issue, but remember that this is "early days" and the task force doesn't even have a name yet!! McG has to build trust and rapport with the other members of the team. But first they have to see what he's made of, and he needs to see the same from them, and that can only happen over time. That development is up to the writers, and it's still possible (even likely) that they'll drop the ball, but we're only two episodes into the series, so let's give them a chance. :)

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 05:24:16 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

H50 1.0, you seem not to grasp the concept of this new show. It's not supposed to be the same as the old one. It's not a remake. It's a "reboot", or as I prefer to call this type of story, a reimagining. It's an *alternate* H50, not a replacement or continuation. We're being shown how Steve McGarrett got started in Five-0 and how the team was assembled. We're asked to imagine what that might be like if it unfolded in the present day. (I'm a Dr Who fan so this kind of mindbending time-travel stuff is not a problem for me :)) We're also asked to imagine what it might be like if Danno were more of an equal to McG in terms of authority and experience - if McG were his partner rather than his boss. With this twist, we get to see them conflicting with each other and figuring each other out. This is quite a different scenario from the old show, but that's fine with me. We HAVE the old show, nothing is going to happen to it - so let's see a somewhat different invention of it for a change! It's interesting to see McG developing under pressure, and it's interesting to see what Danno would be like if he were McG's age and not so overshadowed by his dominant authority.

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 05:23:46 PDT


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: My heart is in Hawai`i

Well, Real, that's good if it is done properly, but yelling at and punching out co-workers wins no friends and creates no reputation that will save him when the chips are down. Cases in point: "'V' for Vashon" (Season 5), "Man in a Steel Frame" (Season 9), and others. McGarrett was framed and would have been prosecuted and convicted strictly on circumstantial evidence, except that his colleagues knew that he wasn't the kind of person to do such a thing. They not only stood up for him. They turned the island inside out, looking for evidence to prove what really had happened.

Would the same hold true for AOL's character in a similar situation? I don't think so. If the hothead had cursed and punched them, he could well have punched and killed the lady in question. Furthermore, one or two of his colleagues just might be glad to see him go down. If you want real life, that's real life.

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 04:14:16 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Julie,

If you want shows that just solve crimes, watch CSI.I am bored with the straight procedural stuff and me personally, and apparently millions of others, like to know about the characters outside of their jobs. It helps you to care for them. In real life, detectives don't just work; they have lives. They hate, they love, they suffer, they laugh.

Lenkov wanted to take the old H50, which he loved, and add a personal side to the characters so you know their flaws and the reasons they do what they do. I don't want to fill in those blanks myself because every human being is different with what makes us tick and why we do the things we do.

I agree, Hans. Some look for anything to hate the show and it goes beyond discussing pros and cons. There has been nothing gay in the new or old show. It is tedious to argue against unreasonable hate. Just don't watch if it offends you so much.

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 03:14:01 PDT


Submitted by: JulieS
From: Australia

So what if Danny held onto the tie for longer than necessary - it's only a piece of clothing. What I think is ridiculous is that people read wayyy too much into situations than there really is and TV is to blame a lot for this. How often in real life when two people argue or push each other buttons that it means that they want to sleep with each other?

In the original show we see both Steve and Danny have getting together with a number of ladies. The difference with the original (and with TV shows in the past) is that we didn't need to be spoon-fed every aspect of their lives. The writers left enough clues for us to figure what they got up to without us having to see it and instead chose to focus more on them solving the crime (or the story itself). A couple of good examples of this are in the season 9 episodes - "Man in a Steel Frame" and "Double Exposure".

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 01:34:35 PDT


Submitted by: Hans
From: Boston

>>>"Hans - what's so gay about Danny holding Steve's tie in "We Hang Our Own"? What was Danny supposed to do? Just let his boss just throw his tie on the ground and leave it there?"

I didn't see anything gay there either! ??<<<

How about put the tie in the car?! Danny doesn’t just take the tie, he is holding Steve’s tie the entire time Steve rides the horse quite some distance, then meets the Colonel then rides all the way back. You don’t find that strange at all? But you find a guy buying an extra donut for another guy totally gay? WTH? What it really comes down to is you love the old show and hate the new show and you’ll go to such extremes to put it down. I suppose Jack wearing a girdle was manly too?

Of course none of it is gay and there is nothing wrong with being gay in the first place but this is where it gets very tedious… the lack of objectivity…

Added: Saturday 02 October 2010 00:42:12 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Right you are. It seems the writers of modern TV are incapable of telling a plain old "good story" without it being ultimately about sex in one form or another -- be that directly or implied. They don't really seem to be able to capture the joys of friendship that make living worthwhile.

Dalen, it seems some of YOU are implying the sex. The show is about a close fun friendship, nothing more. You guys have fabricated the rest on this site. LOL

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 19:51:28 PDT


Submitted by: Dalen Quaice
From: Burbank, CA, USA

Julie said...

"Hans - what's so gay about Danny holding Steve's tie in "We Hang Our Own"? What was Danny supposed to do? Just let his boss just throw his tie on the ground and leave it there?"

I didn't see anything gay there either! ??

"Since when does every non-family relationship on television have to end up being about sex? Obviously no-one can be just friends on TV today and that is really sad."

Right you are. It seems the writers of modern TV are incapable of telling a plain old "good story" without it being ultimately about sex in one form or another -- be that directly or implied. They don't really seem to be able to capture the joys of friendship that make living worthwhile. :!devil:

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 19:40:30 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver BC

Just to let everyone know, I am archiving the guestbook entries from September (from the time the old guestbook was closed until the end of the month). Wish me luck, since I have never done this before with the new format. UGH!!

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 18:53:14 PDT


Submitted by: JulieS
From: Australia

Here I was thinking that Danno was just a nickname and nothing more. Here in Australia a lot of men have nicknames with an O on the end and it doesn't mean a thing as it is just part of our lexicon.

Hans - what's so gay about Danny holding Steve's tie in "We Hang Our Own"? What was Danny supposed to do? Just let his boss just throw his tie on the ground and leave it there?

Since when does every non-family relationship on television have to end up being about sex? Obviously no-one can be just friends on TV today and that is really sad :!speechless:

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 18:52:19 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

About the promo clip: I only wish the guys had been in McGarrett's old Mercury - that would have been perfect!!

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 18:50:13 PDT


Submitted by: Anne
From: Tangerine

@KIR!! I LOVE IT!. This clip made me laugh out loud. And am happy to see them in suits (for some odd reason) and clean shaven. I was about to post that the Sonny Crockett look was long over in the late '80s. :!rofl:

@Tracy...so true, I remember being called a kid was annoying, but you have to forgive us oldsters. Same as the other comments, I'd love to be called a kid and carded again, but, those days are over. The bad thing is, I call my 18 year old niece a kid and she corrects me same as I did my folks. Just pray being called a kid lasts a long time.

As for the //HFO fan fiction, I encounter this in my fanfiction writing days. I remember reading it and wrinkling my nose as it involved Steve/Danno. This was, again, the '80s at Media*West con. :!puke: It amazes me that people read this into same-sex plantonic relationships. It happens in real-life. Before I was married I had a female room-mate as making ends meet as a single gal was not easy and it was very annoying people assumed things.

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 18:19:26 PDT


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: New York City

Tracey, don't get worked up over any of this stuff. So what if you were called a kid? It could be worse. I learn a lot from the younger generations, I'm 46, and i've learned not to condescend. I admit i was surprised that my friend's fifteen-year-old likes Five-O, and i was wrong to underestimate the attention span of a young man.

Anyway, my main point on this site is, and has always been, to stay on topic, which is HAWAII FIVE-O proper. Don't let any of us lead you astray!!!! You like what you like and to hell with the rest of us!!!

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 18:18:21 PDT


Submitted by: Tracey
From: Massachusetts

If I was not mature than why would I came back and apologize to you. I'M SORRY for calling you an old lady. But it proves my point that calling you an old lady and calling me a kid is something we both don't like. When I'm your age, I will still hate when I'm called a kid.

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 17:42:54 PDT


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: New York City

But what's wrong with being gay? I thought we're supposed to be accepting of alternative lifestyles. Ultimately it's fitting for the new show that they be gay. And better yet, repressed, in-the-closet homosexuals. Imagine the tension!

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 17:36:39 PDT


Submitted by: Kristin
From: Massachusetts

"Mr. Mike says: I have no idea if Bored She Hung Herself will be included in the 12th season DVD set. It could also fit in the 11th season set because there are not 24 hours worth of shows to fit on 6 discs in that set either.

If this person says that Bored will be included, you should ask how do they know this. Do they work for CBS/Paramount? No one at CBS/Paramount is telling me anything directly about future releases; all of the information I have has come from "spies.""

Mr. Mike I did ask him how he knew this information but he keep avoiding the question. Also I don't think he works for CBS/Paramount because he is only in his teens because that's what it says on his profile. But I am going to keep talking to him to find out more information for him. By the way I am done arguing with Keeping It Real I am done with it.

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 17:34:13 PDT


Submitted by: Dalen Quaice
From: Burbank, CA, USA

I took some of those classes that you mention at University, Mike, so maybe I've been influenced by those unconsciously! :) Maybe it is a bit silly... but here is my anal-ysis:

It is the "context" of where and when Danno brings McGarrett doughnuts and the banter that follows. If he had taken the doughnuts to the office and given them to everyone (like: Hey gang, I brought doughnuts!), it would have been appropriate. Instead, he's lurking around outside of McGarrett's house without being invited and thinking McGarrett is knodding to him to come in. Then the two dance around with their banter about napkins, ties, and shoes.

And I'm going to laugh when McGarrett gives Danno flowers later on in the season! ;)

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 17:30:22 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

This discussion about Danno bringing donuts to McGarrett, therefore they are gay, is silly. It's not like he brought him a bouquet of flowers.

First of all, they are not donuts, they are malasadas, which are "like donuts."

Second, Danno is a typical, by-the-book New Jersey cop who doesn't like McGarrett's methods. What do typical, by-the-book New Jersey cops (and those in lots of other jurisdictions) like to eat? DONUTS ... HELLO!

This "reading things into" the donuts reminds me of English 100-type "anal-ysis" practiced in film appreciation where critics find all sorts of bizarre meanings. In many cases, they will go and ask the film makers what they meant by what they (the critics) perceive to be some sexual or Marxist interpretation (for example), and the film makers will look at them, asking "What the hell are you talking about?"

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 17:05:11 PDT


Submitted by: Dalen Quaice
From: Burbank, CA, USA

I rest my case folks: he just drives away... LOL

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 15:57:15 PDT


Submitted by: Hans
From: Boston

you want gay? Danno holding Steve's tie in We Hang Our Own while Steve rides the horse... it's pretty funny...

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 15:57:08 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

LOL! I love the clip!! I bet Jack's McGarrett would do exactly the same thing. Thanks, KIR.

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 15:51:50 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

SPOILER CLIP! Don't watch it if you don't want any peek at Monday's episode. This was just fun and cute. Only 33 seconds long.

http://bit.ly/aZUyov

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 15:45:47 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Thanks, Barbara!

Dalen, there is nothing sexual about the Steve/Danno pairing. That is getting old now. You will soon see in upcoming episodes that they are quite hetero.

If you write Slash, then you can make them gay.

Move on now, I think.

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 15:38:59 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Dalen, you may not be aware of it, but you're coming off as a puerile homophobe.

Re: violence: I'm fine with the level of violence in this show. It reminds me of the old "Untouchables" - driving trucks through doors, mowing down bad guys in a hail of tommy-gun bullets, all that good stuff.

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 15:23:33 PDT


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Pittsburgh

Keeping It Real, that was a very insightful comment about our soldiers growing up way too fast by getting life experience beyond their years. I should have thought of that. Very true! Good post.

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 15:19:26 PDT


Submitted by: Dalen Quaice
From: Burbank, CA, USA

Big H - Danno brings Steve doughnuts in Episode 2 of the new Gayawii Five-0 about 4 minutes into the show, right after the opening credits.

Sorry, just rewatched that scene and it is even more gay than I thought. Steve discusses Danno's tie and shoes, too! LOL That is soooo gay.

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 14:55:34 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Look at it this way Tracey, when you are our age one day, you will be begging for someone to call you a kid again!!

So true, so true, Big H! ROTFLMAO

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 14:32:15 PDT


Submitted by: Big H
From: Raleigh, NC

But....I don't remember taking him donuts in the morning though.... :D

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 13:58:26 PDT


Submitted by: Big H
From: Raleigh, NC

"How in the world is this a gay thing?? Do you have guy friends that you pal around with that banter back and forth in a teasing way?"

My best buddy (here in Raleigh) went to ECU and I to NC State (rivalries), and we are constantly on each other case so much that you would think we were brothers....but we're hardly gay....

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 13:56:49 PDT


Submitted by: Big H
From: Raleigh, NC

"Legally you are an adult but what makes a true adult is maturity, which only comes from life experience. That is why to us much older you are a kid. Not an insult, just another fact of life."

Look at it this way Tracey, when you are our age one day, you will be begging for someone to call you a kid again!! (Someone, PLEASE insult me and call me a kid!!) ;) It's ALL Good!!

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 13:53:31 PDT


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Chicago

Dalen Quaice writes..."Yes, if the characters aren't gay, the writers are making them gay by overdoing this unnatural banter. What man brings doughnuts to his buddy at home in the morning? A gay one!"

Are you kidding me? First of all, if you watch the clip, Danno asks Steve if he wants him to leave (because he didn't knock). Steve says it depends on what is in the bag. Danno tells him about the donuts and then asks Steve if he wants one. No where did I get the impression that Danno stopped by the bakery just to pick up some breakfast goodies for Steve.

How in the world is this a gay thing?? Do you have guy friends that you pal around with that banter back and forth in a teasing way? My husband and his buddies that come over are always getting on each other's case. And yes, they actually bring food with them sometimes. Some of it they made (since they are all good cooks) and some they've picked up because they found some great deal on something that they know the other one likes. None of them are gay. They simply enjoy the banter back and forth, especially during football season. You are reading far too much into the banter between Steve and Danno.

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 13:48:07 PDT


Submitted by: Big H
From: Raleigh, NC

"Re: Chin Ho, Kono, and Danno - - - While that works nicely, it is not how "Danno" came about. Jack Lord had a friend in childhood named Dan/Danny. He called him "Danno."...... "

We men always revert back to our boyhood days at some point. Great story, H5-0 Forever...

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 13:45:05 PDT


Submitted by: Big H
From: Raleigh, NC

"There are news reports that Stephen J. Cannell has died."

Didn't Cannell do "Silk Stalkings?" That was one cool show, until someone started tinkering around with the cast.

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 13:39:32 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

See Tracey, like I said, I have a 29 year old daughter and a 22 year old son. If they ever said what you did to any older adult, they would live to regret it.Your defensiveness and calling me an old lady is why you are still, as many 22 year olds are,a kid with much to learn in life. I think maybe our soldiers are the exception, God bless them.They grow up fast in war.
Adulthood is earned, not given. Legally you are an adult but what makes a true adult is maturity, which only comes from life experience. That is why to us much older you are a kid. Not an insult, just another fact of life.

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 13:38:44 PDT


Submitted by: G. Gordon
From: Cumming, GA

I enjoy everyone's comments. The new show has tremendous potetntial but certain elements must change. The original sho became better with subsequent episodes. I hope the new Five-O does. Early issues is that it's too much like the show "24." It has too many special effects. It should be like the original...both slow and fast paced when needed. Better acting and a deliberate methodical plot. Where is the intrigue? Too much "buddy talk between the main characters. McGarrett ordered and gave commands...things happened. Not this fuzzy dialogue (boring) between the same two main actors. HOWEVER...the show has potetntial and I will keep watching. It just needs to be fine turned. Aloha to all Five-O bloggers. your the best!

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 13:15:08 PDT


Submitted by: Hans
From: Boston

Sorry Dalen, Tracey gets no award for calling someone an old lady. And you can’t be serious about the 1952 comparison? In the early 70’s we had 3 networks and 2 local UHF channels. Now we have hundreds of channels plus On Demand and NetFlix etc. Many people DVR and watch later rather than scheduling their time around when their favorite show comes on. There used to be a more intimate relationship with TV back then. Not to mention internet browsing has cut into TV watching big time… there is no comparing the competition of then to now.

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 12:57:06 PDT


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: My heart is in Hawai`i

Spot on, Dalen Quaice! CBS, I hope you're still listening. Now, forget to add the yellow and green so it looks like you filmed it in Canada. That was key advice right there!

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 12:53:55 PDT


Submitted by: Tracey
From: Massachusetts

Mr. Mike I'm 22 years old.

Keeping It Real, it was not my intention to be rude, but I don't feel its right to call somebody you don't know a kid when we are both adults. My parents taught me to be respectful to adults but when somebody keep calling me a kid when i'm an adult it really pisses me off. It you want to have a respectful conversation stop with the kid comments.

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 12:53:02 PDT


Submitted by: Dalen Quaice
From: Burbank, CA, USA

Sam Davis writes:

"Violence: There is way to much shoot-em-up, blow-em-up, and fighting. This just distracts from the story lines"

It pads the storylines. You use these when you have a story but it just doesn't last long enough...

"Soap Opera: There is a bit to much cheap banter between McGarrett & Danno..."

Yes, if the characters aren't gay, the writers are making them gay by overdoing this unnatural banter. What man brings doughnuts to his buddy at home in the morning? A gay one!

This is also filler when there is no story.

"Filming: The jittery scenes need to be stable. Why waste the great screnery and acting talents? "

Yes, they aren't showing off Hawaii nor the actors very well... as Keeping it Real will no doubt point out, the SteadyCam has been around since 1976. It is a device that allows ultra smooth handheld photography. So there is not really any excuse for the new show not to have one. They need more vista type shots of Hawaii, and beauty shots that show off the islands, too. Right now, you could cut a few b-roll shots of Hawaii in as establishing shots and shoot the show in Canada. Just add a bit of yellow/green color correction and it would match perfectly!

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 12:28:58 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Great interview with P.Lenkov and A. Kurtzman about their vision for the new H50. Peter talks about how the old H50 was his dad's favorite show when he was growing up and how they all watched it weekly at his home in Montreal, Canada.

He wanted to keep the essence of the old show alive and update it.

http://bit.ly/byZKMX

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 12:06:53 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

http://bit.ly/d9cE3m

PREDICTIONS for the fall shows:

Should Live a Long, Happy Life

Hawaii Five-0
The data: Premiere episode - 13.83 million viewers, 3.8/10. Second episode - 12.72 million viewers, 3.6/10.
The analysis: Nothing to fear here.
The hunch: CBS does it again. Almost guaranteed for Season Two.

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 11:43:45 PDT


Submitted by: Big City Gal
From: NYC

Sad about Steven Cannell. He as an amazing producer even if the 1997 H50 pilot tanked.

From yahoo...

http://yhoo.it/9atieX

NEW YORK – Stephen J. Cannell, the prolific writer-producer of dozens of TV series that included "The Rockford Files" and "The A-Team," has died at age 69.
Cannell passed away at his home in Pasadena, Calif., on Thursday night from complications associated with melanoma, his publicist said on Friday.

After three decades as an independent producer of TV shows, Cannell in recent years had focused his attention to writing books, and had published 16.

As an actor, he had a recurring role on ABC-TV's series, "Castle."

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 11:39:35 PDT


Submitted by: Keeping It Real
From: LA

Dalen Quaice:

You award the round to Kristen and Tracey? I wasn't aware it was a fight. Kid is a term of affection; don't be obtuse.
Would you teach your child to be rude to older adults like Tracey was? I hope not.
The major reason the audience levels have dropped is because there aren't just 3 channels of TV like in the days of I Love Lucy. Duh!!!

Try cable and satellite and DVDs and online viewing and DVRs to spread out the viewing audience. Please.

The ratings system sucks, true, but it equally sucks for all the shows, so there is balance and fairness in its shortcomings. It is what it is but it is that way for all shows.

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 11:29:01 PDT


Submitted by: Sylvia
From: Pembroke Pines, FL, USA

There are news reports that Stephen J. Cannell has died. And while his 1997 "Five-O" attempt was a bust, he did plenty that wasn't, including "The A-Team," "21 Jump Street," "The Greatest American Hero" and many more - including one of the greatest of all, "The Rockford Files."

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 11:07:03 PDT


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: My heart is in Hawai`i

Re: Chin Ho, Kono, and Danno - - - While that works nicely, it is not how "Danno" came about. Jack Lord had a friend in childhood named Dan/Danny. He called him "Danno." While taping Five-0, he inadvertently called Dan Williams "Danno." It first occurred in the pilot with Tim O'Kelly, although JL later explained to James MacArthur how the name "Danno" had come about. In "Rest in Peace, Somebody," the would-be assassin calls Steve "Steve-o of Five-0." So, I guess that means the Five-0 team was comprised of Chin Ho, Kono, Danno, and Steve-0.

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 10:45:02 PDT


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Regarding season 13 I can't wait to see "Dear Enema". Sounds interesting. Can anyone confirm if Janet Leigh played Vera Miles's sister in that one?

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 10:13:50 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver BC

Entertainment Weekly show #2 review:

http://bit.ly/9vtqDj

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 09:37:49 PDT


Submitted by: Big H
From: Raleigh, NC

Mr. Mike posted earlier:

"Vashon Part 3 -- lawyer Harvey Mathieson Drew (John Stalker) is being blackmailed by the elder Vashon because of his homosexual relationship with a young male lover, Bobby Raisbeck (John Beatty). In a confrontation in Manicote's office, Raisbeck tells Drew, "You're getting what's coming to you, you old queen." "

That was the ep with a gay occurence that I could not remember, Mr. Mike. Hardly a covert gay reference, I would say.

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 09:37:03 PDT


Submitted by: Big H
From: Raleigh, NC

"In the original series, McGarrett is using "Danno" to build camaraderie as a term of affection and earned respect but not with any sexual connotation."

Well, that went over my head. All along I thought it was...(here goes)....Chin Ho, Kono, and (ta-da)DANNO!! (i.e, McG was just using names that rhymed.)

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 09:31:03 PDT


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: My heart is in Hawai`i

Sam Davis, you're exactly right. Listen up, CBS.

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 09:24:02 PDT


Submitted by: Sam Davis
From: Los Angeles

The new show is much better than I expected, with a couple of exceptions:

Violence: There is way to much shoot-em-up, blow-em-up, and fighting. This just distracts from the story lines, which have been good so far. The scene where Kono punches the surfer was sophomoric. Plenty more which need not be detailed here.

Soap Opera: There is a bit to much cheap banter between McGarrett & Danno, hopefully this will subside. Countless scripted programs have been ruined by illogical acts which did not follow the programs flow.

Filming: The jittery scenes need to be stable. Why waste the great screnery and acting talents? The updated opening sequence is compromised by the studder and needs to be a bit longer. The 3 way split of the actors in the opening is just too busy.

CBS Promos: CBS gets an F for placing ugly square promos for other shows in nearly the middle of the picture. On my HD TV they blast through and are a distraction.

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 09:03:38 PDT


Submitted by: Dalen Quaice
From: Burbank, CA, USA

Neither: in the new Hawaii Five-Zero, McGarrett is using "Danno" as a romantic/sexual pet name similar to calling someome, "honey", "sweetie", "cutie pie", "kitten, "babycakes", etc.

In the original series, McGarrett is using "Danno" to build camaraderie as a term of affection and earned respect but not with any sexual connotation.

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 09:03:14 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Related to the discussion of the usage of "kid" as a putdown or not: in the new Five-0, do you think McG calls Danny "Danno" to mock and irritate him, or because he's trying to establish a casual rapport based on a shared confidence? I had assumed the latter, but I read one review that interpreted it as a mocking jab. Perhaps in the world of male bonding there may not be a significant difference.

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 08:49:53 PDT


Submitted by: Dalen Quaice
From: Burbank, CA, USA

I will have to award this round to Kristin and Tracey. I find the use of the word "kid" to be a put down in the context of the usage of the word. It is one thing to call your own children "kids" as a term of affection, but it is another to call a young woman a "kid" when she is not a relative. A kid is someone that is not an adult -- under 18.

When you call someone a kid that is older:

"That kid they hired to replace me doesn't know how to tie his own shoes."

"I wouldn't expect you to know. After all, you are just a kid!"

I would also have to agree with Heather about US commercial TV. It's not the best system nor are the ratings. I do believe it is a major reason that TV audiences have fallen from the 67.3 million that watched "I Love Lucy" in 1952. Last week, CBS won the week by getting 21.2 million viewers by contrast.

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 08:30:55 PDT


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Kristin: what "Keeping it Real" is talking about is the fact that commercial television isn't primarily an entertainment medium - it's an advertising medium. Unlike theatrical films, which are made to appeal to ticket-buying audiences, commercial television shows are made to appeal to corporate sponsors who use them as vehicles for their ads. This is how commercial television gets its money. So you can think of series such as "Hawaii Five-0" as a kind of window-dressing to attract audiences to the REAL show, which is the advertising. The sponsors, of course, have particular audiences whom they wish to target - those viewers who have specific characteristics (usually age, gender, income level, etc.) that make them, in the view of the marketing experts, most likely to buy the sponsors' products.

It's a screwed-up system and we're very lucky to get anything halfway decent from commercial TV!

So, nobody is saying that your age precludes you from enjoying certain older shows. I was a fan of movies from the 1920s and '30s when I was a little kid and all my friends were watching "The Partridge Family" :D

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 06:51:15 PDT


Submitted by: Hans
From: Boston

Is the new Season 2 going to have Bored She ****** Herself?

Or is it Well Hung He Bored Himself?

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 06:33:44 PDT


Submitted by: Hans
From: Boston

I call my 20 somethings "kid" while my mother and her friends call me "kid", which I love. I used to like getting asked for an ID to buy beer when I was 30, but maybe that would offend some people? As far as the demographic thing, there are always exceptions but you have to admit it would be foolish for NFL advertisers to target 15 year old girls and for Lady Gaga promoters to target 50 year old men…

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 06:20:01 PDT


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: My heart is in Hawai`i

Interesting posts, Mike. Thanks for writing the HPD and getting actual uniform policy. It makes sense, what they said. So, I guess if would be wise not to dress as a police officer for a party.

I agree about calling grown children "kids." It's been done for generations. The "kid" wisely does not harbor a chip on his/her shoulder. By the way, my son is 33, and my daughter is 35 this year, too!

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 04:21:46 PDT


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver BC

I realize that what I am about to tell you will put me in league with a certain other person who was making "peculiar inquiries," (I can't remember if this was here or elsewhere) but my curiosity got the best of me and I actually wrote to HPD about this business of uniforms (I told them in my e-mail that this was a "silly question"). They replied as follows:

The only "dress" uniform an officer has would be what we call a "Class A" uniform.

It is the standard dark blue, short sleeve shirt.

The department pays for a portion of the uniform, 3 sets per year. Officers can (and do) purchase the uniforms out of pocket becasue of the wear and tear.

Issued equipment would need to be returned [if the officer left the service or was forced to]:

Leather duty belt and accessories: mag pouches, hand cuff pouch, baton and holder, duty weapon, holster, radio, badge

The Command Staff, (Assistant Chiefs, Deputy Chiefs, and the Chief) have a coat available. These can be used at mainland conferences or ceremonies.

If a former officer dresses in a uniform and presents himself as a police officer, he would be charged with Impersonating an Officer.

Added: Friday 01 October 2010 03:09:02 PDT


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