Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- November 2013

The Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- November 2013



The following are archived comments from November, 2013. After looking around, please add your own comments!

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Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

H50 1.0, about Manicote, he was between a rock and a hard place. If he took Steve’s side and looked the other way, then he would be accused of favoritism and come under investigation. It would also look worse for Steve. If he is implicated in a crime and Manicote does nothing about bringing it to a grand jury, then it would make Steve look guiltier. It’s all about saving face, but the writers should have tried to make Manicote look more sympathetic rather than angry at Steve.

Added: Saturday 30 November 2013 22:36:55 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Got this weird request:

We are in the process of promoting a website about drug and alcohol dependence. Would you be open to the idea of placing a text link ad on this page: mjq[.]net/fiveo/5-0log8.htm

(My answer is "No.")

Wonder why they chose this page, though the episode How to Steal a Submarine features Jack Cassidy as a dope-pushing high school teacher.

I would have thought if they were interested in linking to "alcohol dependence," they would have wanted to put the ad on season ten's page because of The Ninth Step.

Added: Saturday 30 November 2013 19:30:21 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

1.One For The Money vs.The Child Stealers - "The Child Stealers"
2.Face Of The Dragon vs.Bones of Contention - "Bones of Contention" (a thoroughly good episode)
3.McGarrett Is Missing vs. The Skyline Killer - "McGarrett is Missing" (Charles Cioffi hisses when he rattles)
4.Once Upon A Time vs. Thanks For The Honeymoon - "Once Upon a Time" (fine acting / strong emotions all around)
5.A Bullet For El Diablo vs. The Odd Lot Caper - "A Bullet for El Diablo" (I never did understand "The Odd Lot Caper)
6.Murder Eyes Only vs. The Golden Noose - "Murder - Eyes, Only" (a fantastic episode)
7.For A Million Why Not vs. Kiss The Queen Goodbye - "For a Million, Why Not?" (Joanne Linville was a letdown in "Queen" after her outstanding performance in "Once Upon a Time")
8.A Hawaiian Nightmare vs.Double Exposure - "A Hawaiian Nightmare"

Do U think Duke was a great investigator? - I think Duke had the potential to be a great investigator. If he had had a stronger role, I think he would have led the pack among the "junior" detectives. But Herman Wedemeyer had heart problems and was in the legislature. He didn't have a lot of time for making Five-0 episodes. That is our great loss. Duke is one of my favorite characters.

Added: Saturday 30 November 2013 16:20:06 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Well,it's exactly a month away from Jack Lord's 93rd birthday if he was still alive.My Grandma was also born in 1920 & died this Sept.I asked my mother what her FAV 5 episodes of old HFO.She said Man In A Steel Frame,Cry,Lie,V for Vashon,The 90 Second War,Hookman.She also liked the canal chase scene in 6,000 Deadly Tickets. Time for A new slate of episode challenges. 1.One For The Money vs.The Child Stealers 2.Face Of The Dragon vs.Bones of Contention 3.McGarrett Is Missing vs. The Skyline Killer 4.Once Upon A Time vs. Thanks For The Honeymoon 5.A Bullet For El Diablo vs. The Odd Lot Caper 6.Murder Eyes Only vs. The Golden Noose 7.For A Million Why Not vs. Kiss The Queen Goodbye 8.A Hawaiian Nightmare vs.Double Exposure. Question Of The Day. Do U think Duke was a great investigator? John

Added: Saturday 30 November 2013 10:06:06 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Re: "The busyness issue aside, that Manicote cannot give a solid reason to explain Steve's question to him shows how flimsy Manicote's case is." - - -

Flimsy, indeed, but you have to remember that Manicote's position is a political one. If the people think he's protecting McGarrett, then he's out on his ear. All he can do is let the judicial system discover for itself that the case is flimsy. Either the grand jury will not return an indictment or a jury will acquit. So, it all goes to politics and the appearance of wrongdoing, a concept of concern to all government employees.

Added: Saturday 30 November 2013 04:56:43 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Good discussion on Wooden Model of a Rat. I think Manicotte was very rough on Steve for a "supposed" friend. You remember that speech in Bait Once,Bait Twice when the protected witness was lured out of hiding & was shot by a pro killer.Manicotte went on & on.Steve said he would get Bonamo on Murder 1.Turned out OLSEN the lawyer was behind it & McG solved 2 murders & 1 attempted murder Betty.Also in the V for Vashon frame,Manicotte said there wouldn't be a whitewash & McG was convicted on 2nd degree murder for killing the drug pusher Sullivan.Glad McG got through that firestorm. What are your impressions of Manicotte? Did you like him?I enjoyed Glenn Cannon especially when he was the printer in For A Million?Why Not. He was killed though. John

Added: Saturday 30 November 2013 02:15:27 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

1.Cry,Lie vs. Man On Fire - Cry, Lie
2.The Last Eden vs. The Silk Trap - The Last Eden
3.The Box vs. The Double Wall - The Box
4.R&R&R vs. Engaged To Be Buried - R&R&R
5.Full Fathom Five vs. Death Wish On Tantalus Mountain - Full Fathom Five
6.Beautiful Screamer vs. A Lion In The Streets - Beautiful Screamer
7.Wednesdays Ladies Free vs. The Young Assassins - The Young Assassins
8.Killer Bee vs. Stringer - Killer Bee

Added: Friday 29 November 2013 22:57:59 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

H50 1.0:

The busyness issue aside, that Manicote cannot give a solid reason to explain Steve's question to him shows how flimsy Manicote's case is. Steve asked if he was stupid enough to steal the rat, would he have been stupid enough to put it on display, and though Manicote sees the absurdity in that scenario, he still points out a jury might not.

That shows how faulty the case can be if Steve's fate is put in the hands of a group of people who will not even fathom the lack of common sense in such an accusation, and that Manicote was willing to go to a grand jury based on it.

It was meant to build suspense, from a creative standpoint, and Danno points out in the end that if Steve hadn't been indicted, they would not have been able to solve the case.

Yes, Steve has to expect that in his position, people will be out to get him, but the disgust and disbelief he shows when Manicote makes the accusation spells out how ridiculous it is. Sure, Manicote has to go before a grand jury if the rat was stolen, but that Steve supposedly put the rat on display in the art museum - given his track record and reputation for intelligence and cunning - it wouldn't make sense for him to make such a stupid move, if he really stole the rat. That may not bust the case wide open, but it is something that suggests there is more to this case than it appears on the surface.

Added: Friday 29 November 2013 22:27:19 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

1.Cry,Lie vs. Man On Fire - CRY,LIE
2.The Last Eden vs. The Silk Trap - THE SILK TRAP
3.The Box vs. The Double Wall - THE BOX
4.R&R&R vs. Engaged To Be Buried - R&R&R
5.Full Fathom Five vs. Death Wish On Tantalus Mountain - FULL FATHOM FIVE
6.Beautiful Screamer vs. A Lion In The Streets - BEAUTIFUL SCREAMER (no contest!!)
7.Wednesdays Ladies Free vs. The Young Assassins - THE YOUNG ASSASSINS
8.Killer Bee vs. Stringer - KILLER BEE

Added: Friday 29 November 2013 22:21:00 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Vrinda, I think you and John and putting too fine a point on McGarrett's activities in relation to whether or not he stole the rat. Many busy people have been known to commit crimes. The fact that the rat was found in his collection of netsuke is reason enough for the DA to put the matter before the grand jury.

Actually, I like this episode, although I will admit that the issue of false accusation is almost too creepy to watch. It is very difficult for someone to prove what they didn't do.

Someone in McGarrett's position almost has to expect people to try and take him down. After all, he wields a lot of power, power to learn about their misdeeds, which would take them down if he learned about them. Politics is a dirty business, even for gubernatorial appointees.

Added: Friday 29 November 2013 19:51:35 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Allen from Colorado, Grace Park has been seen less this season because it is rumoured that she is/was pregnant and/or had a child and doesn't want to have to deal with going back and forth to Hawaii. None of this has ever been confirmed by anyone from GP on down.

Added: Friday 29 November 2013 18:00:18 MST


Submitted by: Olivia
From: CA

John

Glad you are enjoying the remake. But no the showis not picking up fans as u said. The show that was canceled in that spot was CSI NY, and I will post the numbers for November last year. As you can see, H50 has not been able to improve the slot for CBS at all. And think that csi NY aired against Grimm, that didn't air last week , and it didn't have Carol B. to help the ratings,
These are the numbers of the canceled csi NY one year ago....As u see the remake, a expensive one, has not been able to ad new viewers to the slot,
Episode 09-10: Friday, 12/07/12
1.5 demo --- 9.95 million

Episode 09-09: Friday, 11/30/12
1.5 demo ----9.86 million

Episode 09-08: Friday, 11/16/12
1.4 demo ---- 9.59 million

And about Carol B. The business has a lot of friends, so you can bet that if the right person asked her, she would gues star in the show.
CBS is for sure ading popular names each week to avoid numbers declining more. That only says that they know the regular cast is weak,
The show has been moved to the Friday TV grave yard to die. But I agree with you that at least one more season is a must because CBS needs to produce enough episodes for syndication. So even if csi NY was canceled with the same numbers, H5O won't because of syndication.
I can assure u that in 3 years from here no one will remember ior talk about this remake. If u take a look around, the fan sites for the remake have most of them closed, and in the ones remaining only 2 or 5 people posting .

Added: Friday 29 November 2013 17:34:31 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

John,

The act of framing Steve was silly in itself – the theft of an antique rat miniature. Though it is too much fuss over nothing, what you pointed out in terms of Steve’s personal life and habits may not have been known by the general population or jurors, and even if it was known, they would still poke holes in it.

You asked why Steve would put the stolen rat on display, and even Steve posed that question to Manicote, also arguing that more expensive items - such as an ivory crane - were returned. Manicote doesn’t explain any proof that Steve stole it, only that the rat was in his possession:

Manicote: "Don’t you see what it looks like? You kept a piece for yourself!”

Steve: "John, if I you think I was so stupid as to have taken the piece in the first place, do you think I’d be doubly stupid by putting on display with my name on it?”

Manicote: "I don’t think so, but who knows what a jury might think? The damaging fact is that the piece was found in your collection and you have no explanation as to how it got there.”

Steve: "Did you say a jury?”

Manicote: "Steve, I’ve got to present this information before a grand jury. I’ve got no choice. It’s clearly a case of grand theft art.”

Steve: "You’re all heart, John.”

Yes, it doesn’t make sense that when Steve works 6-7 days a week and long hours, and goes sailing and does other physical activities in his spare time, which would have the time to engage in thefts of antique objects d’arte. Plus, when he goes sailing, plays handball, golf, etc., he is coming in contact with other people who can vouch for the amount of time he spends doing these things, giving him an alibi.

Knowing that there was a history of framing Steve for murder (V For Vashon: Part 3) and bribery (The Ninety-Second War: Part 2), and attempts to frame him for bribery (Cry, Lie and All the King’s Horses), it should have occurred to March that framing Steve for stealing a wooden rat might be far-fetched. Also, Manicote should have been suspicious of the incident instead of questioning Steve on his conduct. Manicote has to do his job a certain way, I understand, but he should have investigated all angles – especially the museum curator, who oversaw the loading of Steve’s items into the truck, unpacked them, and swore that the antique stolen rat was the one he took of the box of items from Steve’s apartment. That curator had a drug problem and was being blackmailed by March. His suicide later proved something bigger was going on. Had they checked his background, they might have found out about the drug problem and his connection with March.

Trying the chief of police for grand theft art with very questionable evidence is not going to work. Maybe they were going by the stupidity of jurors, who would not question a lot of things and accept the evidence as it is.

Added: Friday 29 November 2013 15:00:57 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

I was thinking on this late November afternoon.What old Hawaii 5-0 episode makes me the angriest or that I hate the most. I think it would be Wooden Model of a Rat. I always thought it was stupid as they try to frame McG on this stolen property.Here's the reasons why I hate it:1.McG works 6 usually 7 days a week.He plays handball,sails his boat,on his days off.Where would he have the time & money to have this collection of Oriental objects d'arts? 2.Everybody knows McG is intelligent,detailed & thorough.Why would he buy illegal pieces? 3.Say McG knew they were stolen somehow.Why would he put them on display during the exhibition where collectors & experts would know they were stolen?4.McG has been framed for murder several times & beat the charges.Why would the criminals(of )dumb thinkt the stolen property would bring McG down? Just dumb! JC

Added: Friday 29 November 2013 13:03:44 MST


Submitted by: Allen
From: Colorado USA

Anyone know why Grace Park is 'missing' most of this season? Plus, would like to see Danny's ex played by Claire van der Boom return. Any news there?

Added: Friday 29 November 2013 12:49:47 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

1.Cry,Lie vs. Man On Fire -- "Cry, Lie" (I just watch "Man on Fire" to see Pat Hingle and JL go at it in the style of Gooper and Brick in "Cat on a Hot Tin Roof.")
2.The Last Eden vs. The Silk Trap -- "The Last Eden"
3.The Box vs. The Double Wall -- neither
4.R&R&R vs. Engaged To Be Buried -- neither
5.Full Fathom Five vs.Death Wish On Tantalus Mountain -- "Full Fathom Five"
6.Beautiful Screamer vs.A Lion In The Streets -- "A Lion in the Streets"
7.Wednesdays Ladies Free vs.The Young Assassins -- "The Young Assassins"
8.Killer Bee vs. Stringer -- neither

Added: Friday 29 November 2013 04:22:51 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

HFO fans. LOL!!! I keep seeing on different sites about this dislike of new HFO. The acting,scripts,all these negatives. HFO isn't going anywhere. It continues to pick up new fans & the ratings usually between 20-30. Carol Burnett is one of the most respected actresses & beloved in the industry.She wouldn't go on a sinking ship show.This continues to give credibility to the new HFO show.Okay,time for the new slate of episodes challenge. 1.Cry,Lie vs.Man On Fire 2.The Last Eden vs. The Silk Trap 3.The Box vs. The Double Wall 4.R&R&R vs. Engaged To Be Buried 5.Full Fathom Five vs.Death Wish On Tantalus Mountain 6.Beautiful Screamer vs.A Lion In The Streets 7.Wednesdays Ladies Free vs.The Young Assassins 8.Killer Bee vs. Stringer. Hope you like these too. John

Added: Friday 29 November 2013 01:13:55 MST


Submitted by: Olivia
From: CA

Hello everyone and Happy Thanksgiving to all! 

I have not been here in a while but I have been lurking from time to time, LOL

CBS has been bombarding the media with all type of Press releases these last weeks, to hide they have dropped this season a lot and are no Number One anymore.

This is the reason, 

November Sweep Live Plus Same Day
25 of 28 Nights
Net…Adult 18-49 Rating…Adult 25-54 Rating…Total Viewers
NBC…2.6…3.1…8.232 million
CBS…2.2…3.0…10.334 million
ABC…2.0…2.5…7.623 million
Fox…1.7…1.9…4.854 million

NBC

NBC Wins Two Consecutive November Sweeps for the First Time in 10 Years, Since 2002 and 2003
NBC’s Schedule Includes the Sweep’s #1 Series in 18-49, ‘Sunday Night Football,’ #1 Unscripted Series, ‘The Voice,’ and #1 New Series, ‘The Blacklist’
It’s NBC’s Top November in Total Viewers Since 2007

I watched H50 last week because of Carol B. I always loved her and she didn't disappoint. The show and the cast there have not improved at all  since I last watched, so I won't watch again unless Carol B, is back ,LOL.

Those L+ 3 numbers doesn't put h50 or BB in the top list among the rest of CBS shows, but I can understand CBS for trying to hide how low they got this season. They really need to do some changes, it took NBC almost 10 years to recover since they dropped from Number One to last place, and CBS is moving in the wrong direction .
CBS still have some decent procedurals as Criminal Minds, NCIS , NCIS LA,  CSI , Person of Interest and The Good Wife. The rest of their dramas  , h50 in particular , are mediocre and weak , so unless they get rid of those turkeys, they won't be back to Number One next year.CBS has been making some "mistakes" in the last years and results are starting to show.

Even if I don't like or watch  the show, I will watch if Carol B. comes back. I will watch her and ignore the rest, LOL

Added: Thursday 28 November 2013 11:31:09 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/blog/2013/11/chef-sam-choy-spars-with-carol-burnett.html

by Janis L. Magin, Managing Editor- Pacific Business News

"Hawaii Five-0” has dropped references to local businesses on a regular basis since it first went on the air in 2010, singling out Liliha Bakery on at least two occasions and giving priceless publicity to local companies.

On last week’s episode, McGarrett’s aunt, played by guest star Carol Burnett, took a trip with his sister, played by Taryn Manning, to Foodland after discovering the Thanksgiving turkey was still frozen.

I knew it was Foodland because the Foodland logo was very prominent. In fact, it was Foodland Farms in Aina Haina, the grocery chain confirmed to PBN in a tweet.

And the butcher himself — haven’t I seen that face beneath the hair net before?

Of course, it was another Hawaii businessman, Chef Sam Choy, who runs Sam Choy’s Kai Lanai restaurant in Kailua-Kona on the Big Island, and previously had the Sam Choy’s Breakfast, Lunch & Crab restaurant, which is now going to be the second location for Liliha Bakery.

The episode ended at another local restaurant, known for its tiki kitsch, when Burnett joined star Alex O’Loughlin and the regular cast at La Mariana Sailing Club off Sand Island Access Road in Honolulu.

The episode was a hit with viewers. CBS said Wednesday that "Hawaii Five-0” posted its largest live plus three-day delivery and matched season highs with viewers in the 25-54 and 18-49 age group.

Added: Thursday 28 November 2013 08:50:39 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Here are my answers:

1.Target A Cop vs. Nightmare Road - neither
2.Over Fifty Steal vs. Up The Rebels - OVER FIFTY? STEAL
3.Hookman vs. Killer At Sea - HOOKMAN, although I like "Killer at Sea" very much.
4.The Ransom vs. The Payoff - THE RANSOM, by far
5.Paniolo vs.Tsunami - Paniolo ("Tsunami" was just plain stupid -- IMHO)
6.Trouble In Mind vs. Flash Of Color, Flash of Death - Flash of Color, Flash of Death (Don Knight at his sleaziest)
7.Six Kilos vs. Air Cargo Dial For Murder - SIX KILOS (McG at his sleaziest)
8. Savage Sunday vs. Bait Once,Bait Twice - like 'em both

Added: Thursday 28 November 2013 02:59:58 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Pretty good picks Ringfire. Agree 7/8. Only 1 different I enjoyed the revolutionary group in Savage Sunday as well as Acuna a little bit more than Bait Once,Bait Twice. I stacked the deck against Killer At Sea & Up The Rebels. Hookman & Over Fifty Steal are 2 Classics. Not much chance of winning.Want them to advance. I remember when McG was Luther with the English accent. The 1st part of The 90 Sec. War could be my FAV of the entire series. Hope to get the remaining old HFO on DVD this Christmas. John

Added: Thursday 28 November 2013 01:32:29 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

John, JL's McG did have an English accent in "The Ninety-
Second War" part 2, when he was playing the bogus McG (Luther Holbrook) as he lay shot on the bank floor.

Added: Wednesday 27 November 2013 17:07:41 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I accept your challenge, John.

1.Target A Cop vs. Nightmare Road - TARGET-A COP
2.Over Fifty Steal vs. Up The Rebels - OVER FIFTY? STEAL
3.Hookman vs. Killer At Sea - HOOKMAN
4.The Ransom vs. The Payoff - THE RANSOM
5.Paniolo vs.Tsunami - TSUNAMI
6.Trouble In Mind vs. Flash Of Color,Flash Of Death - TROUBLE IN MIND
7.Six Kilos vs. Air Cargo Dial For Murder - SIX KILOS
8. Savage Sunday vs.Bait Once,Bait Twice - BAIT ONCE, BAIT TWICE

"Question of the Day--Would you have liked Jack Lord McG better if he had an English accent?" -- Very strange question. I have no idea why I'd want him to have an English accent. He's fine as an American.

Added: Wednesday 27 November 2013 16:33:56 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

HFO fans. Very confident Season 11>Season 10.Death Mask,The Skyline Killer,Year of the Horse,Stringer,Small Potatoes,A Distant Thunder etc is too strong for Season 10 to contend with unfortunately. I noticed Mr.Mike gave 2 bombs to Season 10 episodes & 0 to Season 11 episodes.That should be the final verdict on Season 10. Got something for you HFO fans to ponder over Thanksgiving.1st rd of HFO episodes challenge:1.Target A Cop vs. Nightmare Road 2.Over Fifty Steal vs. Up The Rebels 3.Hookman vs. Killer At Sea 4.The Ransom vs. The Payoff 5.Paniolo vs.Tsunami 6.Trouble In Mind vs. Flash Of Color,Flash Of Death 7. Six Kilos vs. Air Cargo Dial For Murder 8. Savage Sunday vs.Bait Once,Bait Twice. Question of the Day--Would you have liked Jack Lord McG better if he had an English accent? Happy Thanksgiving !!! John

Added: Wednesday 27 November 2013 13:17:53 MST


Submitted by: Anne
From: Tangerine, FL

@Chaz --- pretty cool to see. (And I don't watch the new 5-0 either. Thanks for the glimpse.

Added: Wednesday 27 November 2013 12:30:39 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

On the surface, I would say Season 11 is stronger than Season 10. On the other hand, as soon as I try to rank the seasons, I start seeing strong features about each. It seems to me that, although the seasons differ from one another in tone, types of cases, etc., they all have strong points.

Case in point, even though Season 11 stands tall with "Number One With a Bullet," among others, Season 10 has "Tall on the Wave," when JMac really carried the show and "A Death in the Family," when Five-0 rose to the challenge even as they mourned. Just to name two off the top of my head. I watch Season 10 often.

Similarly, even the much maligned Season 12 had its strong episodes. "Good Help is Hard to Find" is one of my favorites, as is "A Lion in the Streets." And I find myself drifting back to "Woe to Wo Fat," even though it can be faulted on many points, perhaps to enjoy the adversity between Wo and McGarrett.

Seasons 11 and 12 deserve special accolades, I think, because they do stand tall despite the fact that, after so many years, cast and crew alike, were dog tired. Bravo to you all! Job well done!

Added: Wednesday 27 November 2013 11:01:01 MST


Submitted by: Chaz
From: Honolulu

Caught a clip of the cast and crew of Hawaii 5-0 filming most of the morning right in front of our building at the Dole Cannery. Lots of loud gunfire! So I whipped out my iPhone... Ironically I've never seen an episode on TV...but...this was pretty cool to watch. I don't think any of us got any work done most of the morning :)Here's the YouTube link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WFUy86uo9w

Added: Wednesday 27 November 2013 10:46:45 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Ringfire & HFO Fans. Season 11>than Season 10 in my opinion. The Season 10 opener Up the Rebels defeats The Sleeper. Thought Deep Cover,Tsunami,My Friend,The Enemy were excellent episodes from that season. Season 11 just an interesting season. Like the Sherman bomb in the suitcase mystery Deadly Courier.The locked room murder mystery of Penny Christie in A Case Against Philip Christie.Death Mask Love Cyd Sharisse character Alicia Warren & the mask switch. I didn't like A Very Personal Matter that much. McG lied to Dr.Danforth & really attacked that man.The Why Won't Linda Die was weak script wise. The Meighan Conspiracy was Columbo like the way he grinded down Meighan. The Year of the Horse was like James Bond movie.Fun.Loved the picture quality in Season 11.Actors JL,Duke,Danno had good chemistry. John

Added: Tuesday 26 November 2013 17:05:26 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Hey John, how would you compare season 10 vs. season 11? There are some who actually believe that season 11 was an improvement over season 10. Perhaps they're swayed by the fact that season 11 was restored on DVD whereas season 10 was not. I dunno. I'm not convinced that there was much difference between the two seasons (both have their share of turkeys, ahem) but I will concede that my favorite from season 11 (The Skyline Killer) is superior to my favorite from season 10 (Tsunami).

Added: Tuesday 26 November 2013 14:43:37 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

I think the biggest fallacy or propaganda leveled against old HFO is that the last few years were junk & skip those episodes.Number One With A Bullet ,A Lion In The Streets,Stringer,Nine Dragons, & several others upeld the early HFO standard. Sure,the loss of Chin Ho in Death In The Family hurt the 5-0 team.Chin did a little of everything.Could not be replaced. I enjoyed Season 11 immensely.Death Mask,A Distant Thunder,Number One With A Bullet,The Case Of Phillip Christie,Stringer etc.Some of my FAV in the entire series. I think HFO was strong until the end. John

Added: Tuesday 26 November 2013 10:14:53 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

As far as "Bored" is concerned, the operative expression is "Where there's a will, there's a way." I'm sure copies can be obtained SOMEWHERE on the Internet, through torrents or whatever. There is currently one WWW site about three pages into a Google search for this title which claims that it has the show to view, but I didn't bother with this when my virus program started to act up over the link to this site.

I have also seen the show listed in the second season DVD set for sale on Australian WWW sites (this is the legitimate release from CBS). I am very skeptical that it >is< included, and am not going to shell out a lot of $$ just to prove a point (and find that it is not, as I suspect).

If anyone in Australia knows for sure, I would really like to hear from you!

Added: Monday 25 November 2013 18:00:10 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

One day, that episode is going to show up again on YouTube, and then those people complaining can see it and stop complaining.

What I disliked is the negative image that episode gives of yoga and Hinduism. There are lot of ignorant people out there who believe every false idea put out there about a group of people or religion and make fun of those with those beliefs, and I have put up with enough of it in my lifetime.

When that stupid boyfriend kept chanting, "Hare Krishna," when Steve goes to see him in jail, I thought, what a hypocrite. These kids adopted Hindu beliefs and customs, but knew little of what they really meant.

Added: Monday 25 November 2013 17:52:18 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"Note the reviews (none of which are really reviews, since the thing isn't being released until next Tuesday), most of which are VERY negative."

Let me guess - because "Bored She Hung Herself" was not included? :!thinking: Geez!! How infantile can people get? They're getting close to 300 episodes and yet they continue to grouse about 1 single episode - and a dud at that. An episode which for all intents and purposes DOES NOT EXIST.

It's like someone trying to keep a turd off their fine china but they insist that the turd stay there. It's like they care about that 1 episode more than all the rest that they are getting. People like that deserve to get just that 1 episode and to lose all the rest. It'd make my day if in one moment all their episodes vanished forever (never to be regained) and got replaced with this 1 episode that they are practically wetting themselves over. Seriously, it's been how many years now since season 2 came out?? And yet they can't leave it alone. Sad.

Added: Monday 25 November 2013 16:40:01 MST


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

Yeah, Mike - I know I won't be buying the "so-called" complete set - it is NOT complete without BORED!

Also, if they want to do right and give the fans something really special, they could include "Isolated Music" scores for, at least some of the more popular episodes and scores.

I'm sure they could do this, as CBS did a great job with this feature on the TWILIGHT ZONE DVD/Blu Ray sets.

I say to CBS for this set, no sale!...:-(

Added: Monday 25 November 2013 10:50:11 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The latest hype on the upcoming "Complete" (not really) box set of the original Five-O:

http://cbshe.com/19vUFoo

Note the reviews (none of which are really reviews, since the thing isn't being released until next Tuesday), most of which are VERY negative.

Added: Monday 25 November 2013 08:44:43 MST


Submitted by: Honu59
From: New York

A comment on medic alert bracelets. For most of his life, my dad has worn a medic alert medal because he is allergic to penicillin. He is perfectly healthy otherwise, but this would be important information in the event of an accident if he were unable to communicate. So it could have been something like that on the show.

Added: Monday 25 November 2013 04:54:01 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Thanks for the answers Mr.Mike.It just seemed strange that an SSA would be wearing a Medical Alert bracelet.Nobody even the head of SSA mentioned it. Also,if Aunt Deb did fly to Hawaii,wouldn't that exacerbate her brain tumor? It would seem that would be tremendous pressure on her head.You figure Mary would ruin the turkey. John

Added: Sunday 24 November 2013 23:12:34 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

>1. Aunt Deb stated she was busted for grass but she expressed to McG that she has a Doctor's prescription for medical marijuana.Then why is she booked then?

Because her "card," which is presumably some form of identification used to get medical marijuana in whatever state she lives in, was not accepted at the "pharmacy" in Hawaii. Deb then went to buy dope from some pusher recommended by the pharmacy, which turned out to be a narc. You would think the pharmacy would have a better recommendation than this.

>2.Why is this Kyle Russo the Secret Service Agent wearing a Medical Alert bracelet? These SSA's have a demanding job protecting the President.

Maybe it was for a diabetic condition or something relatively minor. Beats me, check the Secret Service WWW page if there is one and see what are the conditions under which you can get a job.

>3.Why didn't Barkoff & Moreno destroy the Medical Alert bracelet when they stuffed the body in the barrel?

Obviously because they are stupid.

>4.Why does the assassin go through this much trouble to call Moreno & destroy the body in Potassium Lye? He could of just dumped it in miles of ocean?

Well, some fisherman found it in the ocean and the cops then identified the guy despite his body being partially dissolved in lye. So this proves that dumping it in the ocean is not a good idea, since on this show, someone will obviously find it quickly.

>5.Barkoff is a paid assassin but he only wounded Andrea despite a clean shot?

He probably went to the "School for Assassins" in the old show.

>6.What draws the suspicion of Russo to Nolan anyway?

This is a good question, despite the fact that the Secret Service are paid to be vigilant. When Bill Clinton visited Vancouver years ago, they even sealed manholes on streets as part of the preparation for him driving down those streets. Was Nolan (Barkov) staying at this house for any length of time before the show started? The woman who takes care of the house makes it sound like that Barkov just started staying there recently. How would the Secret Service know about this guy? Furthermore, how did Barkov know that Andrea, the woman who witnessed the murder and who he was hired to kill, would come back to Hawaii to visit her mother? Was he just following her, having tracked her down after she "went into hiding"?

Added: Sunday 24 November 2013 21:19:53 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

HFO Fans. Have to agree with Vrinda. The beach shot with the hitman reminded me of The Second Shot. There was that stretch of foliage. On this new HFO , most would agree that it is not Jack Lord's HFO. The JL character was intelligent,commanding,& resourceful & the scripts were brilliant & the guest stars delivered in spades. This new HFO even with its acting & script flaws should still last 8.years. McG & Catherine are powerful together & apart. The last 6 or 7 episodes I watched were all very good. Getting rid of HFO will be difficult. It has fans from both old & new. It's still 20 the ratings at times. Speaking of The Second Shot, it will be the review.The legendary Eric Braeden plays a hitman who takes a bullet above the heart to take suspicion off him.He has his orders to take outrxil Greek exile. Other than the ending,I give it 4 stars. John

Added: Sunday 24 November 2013 11:07:07 MST


Submitted by: Anna
From: UK

This show is the worse thing CBS has. All those guest stars week after week are just saying that CBS knows they made a mistake with the casting and that they need help to keep viewers there.
Hawaiian actors should had been cast in the main four. And Alex O. is not strong enough as an actor to carry a show. Media calls him "wooden" and that is exactly what he is. He is just soporific to watch.
Too bad, the show could had been a huge hit. Bad casting has made it mediocre, and guest stars are just a Band-Aid.

Added: Sunday 24 November 2013 02:34:23 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

I give this Thanksgiving HFO episode a solid 4 star rating. Several questions abound though in my mind.1. Aunt Deb stated she was busted for grass but she expressed to McG that she has a Doctor's prescription for medical marijuana.Then why is she booked then? 2.Why.is this Kyle Russo the Secret Service Agent wearing a Medical Alert bracelet? These SSA's have a demanding job protecting the President. 3.Why didn't Barkoff & Moreno destroy the Medical Alert bracelet when they stuffed the body in the barrel? 4.Why does the assassin go through this much trouble to call Moreno & destroy the body in Potassium Lye? He could of just dumped it in miles of ocean?5.Barkoff is a paid assassin but he only wounded Andrea despite a clean shot?6.What draws the suspicion of Russo to Nolan anyway?7.Tracing Russo's phone Did they do this? John

Added: Saturday 23 November 2013 18:15:47 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

What about the beach where McG is jogging and gets gunned down in "Yesterday Died and Tomorrow Won't Be Born"? Was that Waimanalo Beach? I don't think that's Lanikai Beach, is it? Which is where I'm assuming McG beat the crap out of Goldsmith in "Steel Frame" - although I believe that was supposed to be Maui.

And what about the endings of "The Devil and Mr. Frog" and "Nightmare Road"? Both Waimanalo Beach, right?

Added: Saturday 23 November 2013 16:47:02 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Good grief, Mike! Jack was still living when you did all that.

Added: Saturday 23 November 2013 14:53:38 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I was snooping around Google Groups trying to find when was the first reference to this WWW page, which is coming up on what I thought was its 20th anniversary next year. Actually, it is more like its 19th anniversary from what I can tell. Unfortunately, Google Groups' advanced search doesn't seem to work like it used to, so trying to track this kind of posting down from the old Usenet newsgroups is not easy. Here is some geeky stuff I found which I'm sure you will find fascinating...

3/30/94 - Hawaii-Five O from KVOS-TV needed


4/18/94 - Jay J. Armes


4/28/94 - Attention Hawaii Five-O Fans...


1/7/95 - Hawaii Five-O Fans -- attention!


2/18/95 - alt.fan.hawaii-five-o has vanished!!


4/2/95 - WWW Page for Hawaii Five-O Fans (first mention of this site?)

Added: Saturday 23 November 2013 13:57:14 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Yes, Mike. That was Lanikai Beach.

Added: Saturday 23 November 2013 13:14:28 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

"By the way, wasn't the beach at the end where this sniping took place the one where McG beat the crap out of Jonathan Goldsmith in the original show's Man in a Steel Frame?"

It looks like beaches seen in many episodes. I was thinking "The Second Shot" when I saw that beach.

Added: Saturday 23 November 2013 13:02:50 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Quick thoughts on last night's show:

Things I liked:

- The Carol Burnett part was very well written and she did a really good acting job. But will she be back?

Things that were iffy:

- Grover is no longer McGarrett's antagonist for sure. Now he is hanging out with the McG "ohana" big time. McG explains this to Danny by saying words to the effect that he invited Grover to all the events because he was sorry for the guy. But was Grover's daughter seen anywhere?
- The everything-but-the-kitchen-sink casting! Man, they got everyone of any major significance to the show to take part in the football game and dinner at the restaurant!
- Carol Burnett's song went on far too long, especially considering they have cut the Five-O theme to hell for the end credits.

Things that I didn't like:

- The explanation for why the sniper was really in Hawaii. It was said that he arrived 12 hours before the Secret Service. So what?
- The plot twist about who the sniper was really after. Was this woman under witness protection? If not, why not?
- The sniper is a "professional," but he only wounds the woman.

By the way, wasn't the beach at the end where this sniping took place the one where McG beat the crap out of Jonathan Goldsmith in the original show's Man in a Steel Frame?

Added: Saturday 23 November 2013 10:44:12 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Gobble Gobble (not)

Why are you guys all falling over each other to say Happy Thanksgiving? According to my Made in Canada calendar, US Thanksgiving is not until next >Thursday<. Are you all going out of town or something?

There is a Thanksgiving-themed show on tonight, by the way.

Canadian Thanksgiving was on October 14, by the way.

Added: Friday 22 November 2013 20:10:49 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

[NOTE TO JOHN (and others): Please put the word "SPOILERS" at the beginning of your posting if you are saying something about a show which many people may not have seen yet. I am trying to avoid reading anything about tonight's show, for example. Fortunately, I was able to ignore what follows... - MQ]

Interesting episode. Good beginning with McG,Danno,Catherine,Grover,Chin playing Thanksgiving football. Carol Burnett makes a great guest appearance as Aunt Deb who arrives at McG for Thanksgiving. She helped raised McG & Mary. Things get strange McG is called in when a barrel is found with a body in it. Turns out to be Secret Service Agent Kyle Russo. Strange that he has a Medical Alert bracelet for a SSA. I thought these guys were suppose to be in perfect condition. The President is also coming to Hawaii which McG thinks is the target.After much investigation the hired killer Barkoff killed SSA Russo got Moreno to help him dissolve Russo's body in Potassium Lye.In a barrel.Think Death Is A Company Policy.Real target is Andrea a witness of Russian Mob Hit.Barkoff is shot &killed by Chin.killed .A solid 4 stars with Carol Burnett singing. John

Added: Friday 22 November 2013 20:07:23 MST


Submitted by: Beverlee Moore
From: Hamilton Ont Canada

Is Grace Park being written out of Hawaii Five-O? I don't mind Michelle Borth, but Grace is Hawaii Five-O and to replace her I am loosing interest in the series.

Added: Friday 22 November 2013 19:59:20 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Speaking of "When Does a War End?" and David Dukes here is a radio interview I found with David and Larry King from 1983: http://bit.ly/1aECFK0

Callers call in and discuss things with David Dukes. There is a call about the famous ALL IN THE FAMILY episode from 1977 where David played the would-be rapist who tries to rape Edith. That was probably his most famous TV role. He actually received death threats after playing that role. Anyway, I was really surprised to hear a caller call in and mention his FIVE-0 appearance. You can hear this at about the 8:30 mark. The caller mentions Donna Benz and calls her one of the most beautiful women he has ever seen. No mention of Dukes' "constipated" performance on FIVE-0. ;)

One thing I forgot to mention about "When Does a War End?" is did anyone notice that Danno's hair looks orange near the beginning of the episode?? Man! Talk about a bad hair day! It's like he accidentally spilled some orange dye in his hair. It was very jarring! Anyone notice this?

John Chergi, yes I agree about "One for the Money" - an excellent episode and one of the best from the 1st season. I find it very underrated. No one ever mentions it. It's particularly noteworthy because it's really the very first serial killer episode on the show. It set the blueprint for future serial killer stories to follow.

Happy Thanksgiving, Rainbow!!

Added: Friday 22 November 2013 17:22:06 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Thank you, Rainbow Warrior. You have a happy and safe Thanksgiving, too!

Hau’oli la ho’omaika’i to all (and pass the turkey). :)

Added: Friday 22 November 2013 15:28:59 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Rainbow and H5O 1.0: Thank you both for those comments.

That scene in "A Matter of Mutual Concern” made me squeamish but luckily, that was as far as H5O got in the gory department. That was nothing compared to what CSI would be doing.

The "n” word was used both by Yaphet Kotto in "King of the Hill” and Danno in "Descent of Torches.” Kotto’s character was complaining about racism, and blacks use that word themselves, despite its origins. Danno was posing as a racist, so he had to talk like one. In "The Box,” Swenson talks about homosexuals in the prison and there was that gay lover in "V for Vashon: The Patriarch.”

Despite what era in which a show is made, producers take a gamble when they try to do shows about controversial issues or even have characters say things, which are controversial. Even if the media is more liberal, they can’t just do what they want. Someone will be offended and say so, and with more outlets in which to vent – email, Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr, and message boards along with letters and phone calls, more people will have their voices heard than before, and that means more people will be complaining. Violence and certain other themes are often done for shock value or because they think it is entertaining, or because the writers don’t know anything else and only know how to write such material.

H5O 2 pushed the envelope with gore beyond AMOMC with that severed head last season (it was the episode where a physics teacher had cancer and his wife and her lover killed him). That head passed through at least three different sets of hands once someone took it out of the freezer in that car trunk. That was overdoing it. It was also disrespectful to the victim. The severed foot in last week’s episode, though not physically handled in the same fashion as the head in the other episode, was equally gory and more squeamish-inducing than the hand with the missing finger in AMOMC.

I cringed at the sight of all three, but it only shows that this kind of material is not stuff to be used trivially or frequently. Even though violence is more common on crime shows than in the past, some things will always be gruesome and shocking, and need to be considered carefully before being put into a storyline.

Added: Friday 22 November 2013 13:48:12 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Happy Thanksgiving Ringfire, H50, and Vrinda!

Have a good weekend!

Added: Friday 22 November 2013 12:30:42 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

I really enjoy Mr.Mike's Forum.Most of the people who post on the site were, still & remain fans of the old HFO show. We are like the Last of The Mohicans since when we eventually die off 40 or 50 yrs now,the great wisdom & discussion will die as well. I don't think many people will be analyzing & discussing the new 5-0 45 yrs from now as passionately. Kudos to Jack Lord,James,the HFO team,actors,& writers for creating something incredible & magical. Throw out an episode:King of the Hill,Hookman,The Payoff,Stringer,Cry,Lie.All of us old HFO fans can discuss 5-10 scenes we enjoyed,the Season it was in,maybe even what McG & Danno were wearing.My Classic HFO Review is One For The Money.Good early serial killer episode.Love when the guy stabs himself looking at medical book.Aunt Martha great character too. 4 stars! John

Added: Friday 22 November 2013 12:13:31 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Bravo, Rainbow!! And of course we had better be careful when we wish someone a Merry Christmas. Lest that someone get offended. :!thinking:

Yep, give me the "good old days" instead of the nonsensical crap that we have these days.

And just to get this back on topic... I saw "When Does A War End?" yesterday and still maintain that it's a top 5 episode from the 10th season for me. It's quite good (by season 10 standards anyway). I have no idea how it gets a BOMB from Mr. Mike. If there was an episode that deserved a BOMB it was "Tread the King's Shadow" - what a painful show that was. Ugghh!! Always hated it!! McG tracking down a runaway who might or might not consider having an abortion?? How did we go from something like "Hookman" or "Vashon" to something as insipid as this??

At least "When Does a War End?" feels like Five-0 - a crazy bomber seeking revenge by blowing stuff up. Yes, I agree that David Dukes and Anne Francis at the very end gave a pretty laughable performance. Sure, they came across as grade-A nutjobs. Except it was somehow more comical than actually frightening or disturbing. I'm sure that's what they were aiming for except it didn't pan out that way. Not sure why either - both Dukes and Francis were accomplished actors. I'm sure both were capable of a better performance. Maybe it was the script that let them down. I still didn't quite get how Francis was the spy inside the Japanese camp where Muromoto tortured his prisoners. Who was she at the time? What was she doing there? It's like "Deep Cover" - lots of things don't make sense but it was still good overall.

Added: Friday 22 November 2013 11:37:05 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Re: discrimination in real-life Hawai'i, it exists, sad to say. I've read reports of bashings (and one killing) of Caucasian tourists (I guess it happens everywhere, even in beautiful Hawai'i). The victim contacted the HPD, which reportedly did little to nothing about it. The reporter's take on it was that the HPD didn't want to risk antagonizing the secessionists by taking the side of the Caucasians. Does the law not apply to everyone there? I hope it does. I don't know what reason the HPD would give for not arresting the drug pushers who do business openly on the streets while the HPD stands around and watches. There's also anger among some of the Japanese residents of Hawai'i towards Caucasians. Does it go back to the war? Do they have other reasons?

Re: "A Matter of Mutual Concern," the only thing that makes it -- I don't want to say "acceptable." Let's make it "tolerable" -- is that they're all mobsters. We don't expect civilized behavior from them on any level. The name calling (powdery-faced, gook, etc.) was unacceptable in polite society even back when the episode was filmed. Actually, I'm surprised the network allowed the episode to be shown without those terms being edited out. Things were far more conservative then than they are today, and we find them offensive.

Added: Friday 22 November 2013 11:28:42 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

HaHa! Lots of recent talk on Officer Sandi Welles.There she is undercover with Danny down at the Marina on ME-TV Pgh.I caught it 25 minutes in but Sandi gets captured by Charlie.She followed him from the ships store & notices 3 men tied up with mouth gags.Too bad Charlie places a gun to her.She alertly throws her badge in the water.Those were some weird & mean characters.Must of been Heads You're Dead,Tails You Lose because the criminal says this when he throws all 4 in the water.Officer Welles would have made a great HFO officer.Had not seen this episode in a good 20 yrs.4 stars! Five-0 new episode tonight.I wish they could do an episode with Jack Lord & the old team helping to solve a case with the new McG & Catherine.Can do a lot with technology in 2013-2014. John

Added: Friday 22 November 2013 11:15:54 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

OK, people, let's try and keep things on track (i.e., relate the discussion to the show).

For example, I'm sure some hot button issues could be integrated into the show, but have they?

DDK in his recent interview talks about how wonderful life in Hawaii is, giving the impression that it is a melting pot and "everyone gets along." But is this the case?

In the old show, there were plenty of instances (see my "bad word page" -- http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/badwords.htm) where people were referred to in a racist way, for example, though the only classic episode I can recall that really focused on the issue of racism was the one where Danno went undercover as a Nazi.

The old show pushed the edge in many episodes (Skinhead, A Touch of Guilt, for example), but the new one has a certain air of "political correctness" about it, and avoids issues like gay bashing, abortion, religious tolerance, global warming, curing autism, separation of church and state, same-sex marriage, elimination of poverty, welfare, capital punishment and so forth (mostly from the Wikipedia page "Politicized issue").

I'm sure that the new show could do this without reaching the levels of "A Matter of Mutual Concern," which has always struck me as an exercise by the old Five-O writers in "how rank can we make a show."

Added: Friday 22 November 2013 10:06:42 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow warrior
From: New York, NY

H50:

Thanks H50. All people no matter what they believe should be treated with respect and dignity. That is the essence of humanity. Everyone matters.

Added: Friday 22 November 2013 10:03:22 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Bravo, Rainbow Warrior, on all counts. You summed it up best when you said equality for all should be for all and not for one extreme or the other, whichever is the flavor of the day. Until we, the people, learn to do that, we really haven't progressed very far.

Added: Friday 22 November 2013 09:45:18 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Mike,

Thanks for the update on the George Litto lawsuit. I appreciate the information.

First off, H50 Forever is right, as we have talked about this before. Viewing entertainment from years ago through today's politically correct prism isn't very intellectual. Entertainment reflects the time in which it was made, and comments on society at that time. Time and people change which means that you can't judge programs or movies from years ago through today's lens. If you do that the problem is with you and not the subject matter. For instance, I'm sure that if you go back just five years ago the entertainment industry was pumping out material about what a genius President Obama was, and how great universal health care is. Now he and his program are going down in flames, the United States is moving sharply right because of his dysfunctional presidency, and Obama Care is a joke. Should you judge that subject matter from five years ago by today's standard. In one word "NO" period.

Also, I have to agree with my buddy Ringfire, the gay lifestyle is being forced down our throats in this country. No one supported the mistreatment of gays after the Matthew Shepard case more than I, but Ringfire is right we have gone from one nutty extreme in persecuting gays to the other nutty extreme in having it stuffed down in our faces. Those who don't like what I just said, would be the same ones that would viciously insult me and swear at me, if I started talking about my deep Christian faith on this site. If I started writing "Jesus is God" here you would be offended in the same way Ringfire, and I are offended by the gay lifestyle in our faces. Stop being hypocrites. You want equality for all stop wanting it for only the people you want while targeting those you disagree with.

Added: Friday 22 November 2013 07:19:54 MST


Submitted by: Maxine
From: Brooklyn

"So now we're in the minority? Gay pride is good but straight pride is offensive? "

Yep, you are in the minority now, sorry to inform you. The gays have taken over. You better put away your Straight Pride t-shirts and hide yourself somewhere because the gays are coming to bugger you.

John Chergi: yes, I totally agree with that. The writers behind Ironside chose to make this grumpy gruffness an integral part of Robert Ironside's character, but it does get monotonous and I also prefer the more appreciative, give-and-take approach of Steve McGarrett.

Added: Friday 22 November 2013 01:59:59 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Interesting take on the new show:

http://www.rafu.com/2013/11/into-the-next-stage-hawaii-five-o-producers-preferring-white-and-black-characters-over-apis/

Added: Thursday 21 November 2013 19:27:58 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"Ah yes, the good old days, when gay people were ostracized, often estranged from their families, routinely subject to blackmail and physical violence, and when homosexuality was considered a disease and a crime."

Oh yes, whereas in today's "tolerant" climate if a person decides to wear a "STRAIGHT PRIDE" t-shirt he is lambasted by the gay community. So now we're in the minority? Gay pride is good but straight pride is offensive? How quickly we've gone from one extreme to the other. And yes the aforementioned t-shirt incident did occur.

Added: Thursday 21 November 2013 15:09:49 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

read on yahoo tv news minutes ago, chi mccbride is now a regular as Grover ...yawn

Added: Thursday 21 November 2013 11:47:50 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

I think if U compared JL as McGarrett to Raymond Burr as Ironside that McG is a more well-rounded character & more human. I've watched a few episodes of Ironside & was disappointed in his arrogant,inflexible "Me or The Highway" approach to fighting crime.He had a good team around him who helped catch the criminals. I like JL & the HFO team much better. McG was the head of 5-0 but he allowed others to shine.EX:Hookman.McG could have taken down Stoner but he utilized Danno's sharp shooting skills to take him down. Same in the sniper one. Danny although wounded shot Shem. McG also fought for his men vigorously when things looked hopeless.EX:The missing gun in Daisies when Danno shot the kid & Cry,Lie when Chin was framed for taking bribes from drug dealer & murder.The McG character was the best. John

Added: Thursday 21 November 2013 10:35:12 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Thoughts on the last episode (finally):

http://mjq.net/fiveo/2010-log4.htm#8

Added: Thursday 21 November 2013 10:15:23 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

HFO Fans. I think the most underrated reason for the Success of Hawaii Five O was the Governor. He is there in Full Fathom Five eating fruit by the tree from Episode 1. The Governor & McG legitimize each other through the series. How many times did the Governor say:One of the best things I did as Governor as hire you Steve as Head of 5-0. The Governor Paul Jameson usually gave McG rope until he had dto act.In Cry,Lie,the overwhelming evidence finally led to Chin 's suspension. Other times The Governor meddled for political reasons.The Mike Finney case & hearing in All The King's Horses. They had their arguments. In Pagoda Factor,McG broke Joey Lee out of prison to be an informant without Gov's knowing. In Deadly Courier,McG stated Enslow knew we were going to Hakima's."Don't be impertinent Steve!" They made a good team! John

Added: Thursday 21 November 2013 07:58:09 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

John Cergi....I agree with liking Sally (bar owner) as one of the strong female characters on the show. Incidentally, I met the woman who played Sally a couple months ago when I was in Hawaii. Her name is Melveen Leed and she still has a fantastic voice. I'd send a photo but this site doesn't post them.

Added: Wednesday 20 November 2013 20:58:38 MST


Submitted by: Maxine
From: Brooklyn

"Maybe in today's gay-oriented society this would fly. But certainly not in the good old days."

Ah yes, the good old days, when gay people were ostracized, often estranged from their families, routinely subject to blackmail and physical violence, and when homosexuality was considered a disease and a crime.

Added: Wednesday 20 November 2013 19:17:10 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Latest developments on the George Litto lawsuit:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/george-littos-100-million-claim-658383

Added: Wednesday 20 November 2013 19:09:34 MST


Submitted by: Maxine
From: Brooklyn

Good catch ringfire, I didn't mean literally that, but something LIKE that.

Added: Wednesday 20 November 2013 18:29:43 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

John, you're most welcome, and thank you once again! It's always a pleasure to write to you.

Maxine,

As for 2013, writers are too scared of offending someone with anything they write, so they don’t tread in that direction. That doesn’t mean a cop hero might not have said something on this level today. Negative comments will be uttered by the bad guys in keeping with their bad guy image. Comments like that have come out of the criminals’ mouths on TV shows and films, but the excuse people will give is that these are bad guys, so they are just being bad.

A blatantly sexist remark, something said purely because the character was a woman without her instigating it, would not happen coming from the good guy, but a remark made in retort because of something she said could come from him.

As for Ironside, I don’t know what critics of the time, either in a general sense or from a feminist perspective, thought of the roles of Eve and Fran. Since he treated everyone equally, it was not a case of sexism. I don’t know if women viewers saw it that way or otherwise. Eve starts out working for Ironside when he is still walking, witnessed in flashbacks in the episode "Reprise” from Season 1. Ed Brown’s partner is killed, and Eve is an eyewitness to the murder and gives a detailed description of the killer. Because of her eye for detail, Ironside tells her to consider joining the police force. Fran joins because of how she solved her father’s murder. She didn’t let anyone get in her way and was persistent.

Eve was more cautious and discerning, yes. Fran was not afraid to question Ironside, but she did show some lack of judgment. I haven’t seen too many episodes with her yet, though.

I do find it strange that there was a lot of criticism from academics towards Hawaii Five-O, often consisting of cherry-picking, but very little said about the women characters on Ironside, of which there was more material on which to comment.

I accepted it as a boss showing authority and nothing sexist. I don’t know how other women saw it or if it less popular with women because of that. There just hasn’t been enough commentary on it over the years for me to ascertain it. I do know that Hawaii Five-O has an equal number of male and female fans. I don't see a majority in one group.

Added: Wednesday 20 November 2013 18:17:33 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

VRINDA----Very good HFO discussion on Mr. Mike's Forum. My FAV strong HFO women guest stars would be:Mary Ann Whalen Steve's sister in Once Upon A Time.Fantastic performance trying to save her son's life from a deadly cancer.Sally--Steve's friend who owned Sally's & was a great singer.Loved her talks with Steve about the disco scenes on Number One With A Bullet.Enjoyed Alicia Warren on Death Mask.The brilliant painter & sculpter who had the Death Mask exhibition.Love Cyd Sharisse.Others have been stated before. Today's discussion old HFO episode is Odd Man In. Many HFO fans loved Filer in Over Fifty Steal. He was intelligent,interesting,& charming. In Odd Man In,Filer had a more angry & sadistic quality to him. Did prison harden Filer? Was his jail escape BS? Did U like McG as the fake bond mess? 4 stars!!! Likes/Dislikes! John

Added: Wednesday 20 November 2013 16:49:24 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

""You're very pretty, and I'm sure you know a lot about chemistry" is a line that would get a scriptwriter fired these days. I've never heard McGarret say that to a man."

Just one question - why would he ever say something like this to a man? That would suggest that he's gay or something. Maybe in today's gay-oriented society this would fly. But certainly not in the good old days.

Added: Wednesday 20 November 2013 16:26:08 MST


Submitted by: Maxine
From: Brooklyn

"If they could get fired for writing that line, the entire scriptwriting team on Mad Men, including Matthew Weiner, would be out of a job."

I'm sure I don't need to explain to you why that's a poor comparison.

The point is, you couldn't have a hero cop character being so blithely sexist in 2013. It would be considered a mark against his personal character. That wasn't necessarily the case in the 1970s, though attitudes were changing.

Your comments on Ironside are interesting (if I may digress from H5O). It's true that Robert Ironside was bossy and dismissive toward all his subordinates, male or female. You say women in the audience would not accept the way he treated Eve and Fran. I wonder if that's true - was the show less popular with women? I watch the show, and I find Eve extremely competent, but so far am not impressed with Fran, who seems very naive.

Added: Wednesday 20 November 2013 16:01:17 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

"Patience, children" (to quote Louis Avery Filer). Mr. Mike will be reminding us that "It's just a television show."

Actually, we established four years ago that fans of the old and new shows tend not to be the same people. The shows are too different, but then, the suits never intended for them to be the same.

Added: Wednesday 20 November 2013 14:32:12 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

John,

Thank you for your earlier response.

As for strong women characters on H5O 1.0: There is Joyce Weber (Patricia Smith in) "Full Fathom Five,” Joyce Benett (Marianne McAndrew) in "A Bullet For McGarrett,” and Joyce (Anne Helm) in "Just Lucky, I Guess.” There was also C.J. Andreas (Marj Dusay) in "The 24-Karat Kill” and June Fleming (Madlyn Rhue) in "Here Today … Gone Tonight.”

During the 10th and 11th seasons, there was a female forensic scientist, who assisted McGarrett like Che Fong did, and I mentioned Dr. Bishop and Dr. Patrick.

I should also note: Jack Lord said in a 1979 AP interview, that he wanted to add a woman to the cast for years, but the execs at CBS said, "Why bother fixing it if it isn’t broken?” or something to that effect. They gave in when they hired Sharon Farrell to play Lori Wilson in Season 12.

It’s a case of not being able to please all of the people all of the time. If a female character is included, people will complain that it’s just out of political correctness, which is what some people said when they saw the female Kono. They could have created a new female character. It’s creative license, after all.

They will also complain that, even though there is a female character, her role was not fitting. They’ll complain if that woman works for a man and has to answer to him, etc. There is no pleasing everyone.

Writers will go overboard and make female characters too perfect to the point where they are unrealistic. They will sometimes include female characters for the sake of appeasing the women in the audience who complain that there are no women characters, but they are poorly-written and the quality of the show is ruined.

Kojak had no women detectives, except Joan Van Ark in one episode. She played a Josephine Long, a detective from sex crimes who teams up with Kojak to investigate rapes that turned into murders. The men of Manhattan South were not too accepting of her. Nothing was ever said about her being a woman, but Long got the impression she was not welcome because she was a woman. Unfortunately, she did not prove herself too well – letting a collar get killed. Because no cop was shot, Stavros later told her, no one was mad at her. At the end, Long gets shot when she, Kojak, and Crocker confront the suspect in the park. After all this, Long decides to go back to sex crimes.

On Ironside, there was Eve Whitfield (Barbara Anderson) and later Fran Belding (Elizabeth Baur). However, it was clear they were subordinates, but no different than Ed Brown (Don Galloway) and Mark Sanger (Don Mitchell). Ironside had this "my way or the highway” attitude. What he said went. Though nothing was said by him which was noticeably sexist, and though he treated everyone on his team in the same manner, women in the audience would not accept his barking at Eve and Fran and interrupting them when they gave their theories. He threatened to bust Eve down to meter maid in one episode, over a joke she told.

Maxine: A writer wouldn’t be fired for writing that line. Someone would change it later. If they could get fired for writing that line, the entire scriptwriting team on Mad Men, including Matthew Weiner, would be out of a job.

Added: Wednesday 20 November 2013 14:19:59 MST


Submitted by: Oscar Van Hemel
From: Seattle

"You only come around here once or twice a year to argue with someone, otherwise you never bother to participate in any discussion."

Why should I? Then I am just subject to the usual hagiographic hysteria that you indulge in. You do know what "hagiographic" means, don't you? Go and look it up.

There are lots of read-only people around here who do not participate, probably because they are scared that you will excoriate them for not following the "party line."

"I created a message board last year when Mike put this board on hiatus the first time, so what? I haven't gone back to it since then or maintained it, so what is your point?"

A look at the archive page suggests that MM's board was first off line for several months in 2011, not last year. More recently it was off line from May-July this year when MM said that it was taking up too much of time or words to that effect. When it was off line recently, there was a link to your site, which is http://hawaiifive-o.proboards.com (and a couple of others, I think IMDB and/or JoeKido's site, which is also not getting much action).

If you are not interested in maintaining this site, then why is it still there? Why don't you just take it off line?

"If you bothered to read the discussions here, you would seen people mention this garbage and train wreck of a new show is only on because CBS signed a syndication deal with TNT to keep it on the air."

This is called a "smart business decision on the part of CBS."

"The ratings are smaller than what they used to be"

What do you mean "used to be"? When the show started? The ratings seem to be relatively good since the fourth season started, especially since people said that the move to Friday night would seal the show's doom. But like others here, I can't make much sense of ratings, because people can tweak those to say whatever they want (in your case, that the show is a flop).

"Why don't you travel to Hawaii and find Dennis and tell him how much you love the new show?"

Whoever said that I "loved" the new show?

"Are you friends with the Grade A Nut Job who runs the site Joe mentioned? Have you met her? "

The answer to both your questions is "no." I assume we are talking about this site, by the way: http://hawaii-five-0.proboards.com/

"You never knew of her existence until I mentioned her, yet you support her."

Oh, I knew of the existence of this board a long time ago, so don't break your arm patting yourself on the back. And what makes you think I "support her"? Because I am being critical of you?

Sad, very sad...

Added: Wednesday 20 November 2013 14:19:18 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Oscar, you never fail to dissapoint me with your predictability, arrogance, and stupidity. You only come around here once or twice a year to argue with someone, otherwise you never bother to participate in any discussion.

I created a message board last year when Mike put this board on hiatus the first time, so what? I haven't gone back to it since then or maintained it, so what is your point?

If you bothered to read the discussions here, you would seen people mention this garbage and train wreck of a new show is only on because CBS signed a syndication deal with TNT to keep it on the air. Otherwise, it would have been gone a long time ago. They haven't reached their 88-episode mark yet.

The ratings are smaller than what they used to be, and people in Hawaii are only putting up with it because it creates jobs for the locals, and this was told to me by friends of mine who live there. Why don't you travel to Hawaii and find Dennis and tell him how much you love the new show?

The fact that you comment in this manner only shows you are not interested in discussing the content of either show, but in arguing. That is what you have always done, and it hasn't changed. You are the one who is a bitter, nasty person. You have to go and comment on something I did a year ago, when this board was not even running, to support your weak arguments.

If all the fans of Five-Faux think like you, then it is a trainwreck, with very large carnage. Are you friends with the Grade A Nut Job who runs the site Joe mentioned? Have you met her? The woman also made insulting comments about different religions, accused members of making comments they never made, and attacked anyone who gave a negative review of an episode. You never knew of her existence until I mentioned her, yet you support her. You sound as crazy as she is.

Added: Wednesday 20 November 2013 13:44:53 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

In response to Forever,I got on the topic when several people in the HFO family & in the sites questioned Catherine's credentials as being a HFO member.I supported McG decision to give her a badge.For a few weeks,I've sung Catherine's praises.Detailing her great detective work in getting the man's fingerprint in the hotel elevator.Her incredible fighting sequence in the casino bathroom & her rapid response in locating the main computer & unjamming the signal to help save Flight 408.I tossed out a question:Who on the old HFO show of the female characters has the greatness & talent of Catherine?That's when the firestorm started.People throwing out names like Mary Ann,Agnes,Terri,Sandi etc.I defended my position well.Their were no women in positions of power at HFO.Sandi was a good officer & Lori in 12th yr.Not much if U ask me. John

Added: Wednesday 20 November 2013 13:43:12 MST


Submitted by: Oscar Van Hemel
From: Seattle

Good work, Vrinda, you did not disappoint me with your response!

I had a good laugh recently when you described the current show as "a train wreck from start to finish." Yet the show is still on the air after four years!

I had another good laugh when you recently described the moderator of a pro-Five-0 web site as "a Grade A nutjob."

I recall the last time that this discussion forum took a hiatus, there was mention somewhere of a WWW site that I discovered you had started some time before, I think when there was a previous hiatus of this one. I looked around your site, and noticed that there was virtually no one posting there.

I'm just wondering if someone did post there about the usual things that upset you regarding the old show in general and Jack Lord in particular, how you would react. Would you read them the riot act and tell them to take a hike? Seems to me you are just as much a "Grade A nutjob" over the old show, especially considering the hagiographic rants you are constantly making about it.

Most adults would realize that all the tabloid drivel about the old show and Jack Lord that seems to oblige you to correct them is just that ... DRIVEL, just like how intelligent people would realize that the Holocaust really did happen or the earth really was not created in six or seven days.

Vrinda, you come across as a very bitter person as far as the new show is concerned. Would you go to Hawaii and go up to some of the people like Dennis Chun who has spoken of the "ohana" (family) created by the new show and tell them to their face that "Your show is garbage, and the world would be a better place if you stopped having anything to do with it?"

Added: Wednesday 20 November 2013 12:58:45 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Oscar: "Yes, you are right about that, Maxine. This line is really the epitome of sexism. I'm sure that Vrinda will find a way to excuse it, though."

This line is the epitome of sexism?

But it was all right for Dr. Dalton to dismiss McGarrett's need for tight security for that deadly toxin is such a condescending manner?

McGarrett was flustered, rushing in with the chemicals, knowing how deadly they were, and with one thing on his agenda - to get them into a safe place and make sure the people at the university knew what they were and how to safeguaard them. He was explaining the procedure of what to do to retrieve them, showing them how the security system worked, trying to do his best to protect everyone around him, and Dr. Dalton makes comments likening him to General Patton, Attila the Hun, Mata Hari, and the German 5th Panzer Division - all because of these security measures. She didn't stop after the first comment about General Patton.

For a scientist to talk like that, whether they are a man or a woman, is belying their position, so Dr. Dalton insulted herself more so than McGarrett did.

Steve may have thought she was labeling him as a violent type like Patton, and took offense. He tells her he doesn't like the presence of guns on the campus any more than she does and tells her what he knew of Patton from history and he his method was to attack and that his (McGarrett's)is one of defense. Dr. Dalton continues her rant with the Attila the Hun, Mata Hari, and German 5th Panzer Division line.

Dr. Dalton made herself look like an idiot with that speech, and McGarrett did not come out and say that line about her "being very pretty" out of nowhere. A sexist person would have made such remarks the first chance they got.

Added: Wednesday 20 November 2013 12:02:05 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

For crying out loud, John, lighten up! 1.0 began before women's lib and ended just when it seemed possible for women's lib to succeed. We got women detectives in Sandi Welles and Lori Wilson. We got tough women characters in Terri O'Brien and the astrologists. That was pretty darned good for the 1970s.

If we expect things in the past to have been the way they are today, we are fooling no one but ourselves. Times were different in the past. Let us give thanks that we don't have to wear George Washington's powdered wig! Sheesh!

Added: Wednesday 20 November 2013 10:27:02 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Anybody who watches old HFO during its 12 year run,in syndicated episodes,& on DVD's can see the lack of women characters important or powerful positions . Okay,let's go down list:1.The Governor 2.McG 3.Danno 4.DA John Manicotte 5.AG Morgan White 6.Wash DC Johnathan Kaye 7.S.Agent Phillip Grey 8.Ben 9.Duke 10.Chin Ho 11.Frank & Nick 12.WoFat 13.The Vashons 14.Tony Alika.Filtering down to 15.Che Fong 16.The M.E. Docs 17.Kono 18.Misha The Bear 19.Ed in Season 11 20.Glenn Cannon as AG 21.Judges usually Kim 22.Military Heads To Kill or Be Killed,Three Dead Cows,A Thousand Pardons etc.Where are all these strong women in HFO positions people are talking about?I love HFO & Jack Lord & several episodes.Hookman,King Of The Hill,90 sec War.Best show ever.Hands down. John

Added: Wednesday 20 November 2013 09:49:38 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

A lot of people laugh at astrology and other visit-the-past, predict-the-future practices. McGarrett dealt in the here-and-now. That is not sexism. That is a detective operating under the principle that everyone is suspect. And he wasn't so far off. Another astrologer did prove to be the culprit.

As for Dilys Conover, she was just plain stupid with her overblown ego. That's what got her in trouble. Sexism had nothing to do with it. McGarrett tried to warn her to be careful, and she paraded her ego about. She got what was coming to her; in other words, "Arrogance precedes the fall."

Added: Wednesday 20 November 2013 03:30:12 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The number of characters is actually more than that, as you can now see, and has been like that for some time. However, I am tempted to change it to 140 characters, same as on Twitter.

Added: Wednesday 20 November 2013 00:42:36 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

In my two comments,I stressed about the everyday characters around McG. May,Jenny,Luana,Lani,&other female office personnel were mainly stock characters who were there to serve McG & the staff over 12 years.Name 1 episode where these people were focused in an episode prominently or were the victim of some kind of murder investigation or quandary.You can't. Sure over 278 episodes you can cherry pick women guest stars. McG did not believe Agnes DuBois on several occasions & laughed at her astrology.Throwing her charts in the desk.He even accused her of being implicated in the murders.Even her capture of Mel made her look weak.Dylis was also made to look stupid refusing to listen to McG when Saxon took the jewel.I only have 1,000 characters.I've made my argument that Catherine is strongest female char in 5-0.John

Added: Wednesday 20 November 2013 00:34:58 MST


Submitted by: Oscar Van Hemel
From: Seattle

Yes, you are right about that, Maxine. This line is really the epitome of sexism. I'm sure that Vrinda will find a way to excuse it, though.

Added: Wednesday 20 November 2013 00:23:09 MST


Submitted by: Maxine
From: Brooklyn

Re: Dr. Dalton in "Nine Dragons"

"You're very pretty, and I'm sure you know a lot about chemistry" is a line that would get a scriptwriter fired these days. I've never heard McGarret say that to a man.

Added: Tuesday 19 November 2013 23:25:24 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Re: "The Old Five O show didn't have any female characters with the strength & talents of Catherine." - - - No strong women in 1.0? Guess again, John. Who could be stronger than the feminist reporter, Terri O'Brien; the determined rookie, Sandy Welles; the brash Toni, Patty Duke's character in "Thanks for the Honeymoon"; Margo Cooper, in the same episode, who had the temerity to suggest that Steve give up his career and help her pursue hers; Mary Ann McGarrett Whalen, whose fiery-red temper matched her hair; the decisive Agnes DuBois in "Horoscope for Murder"; her successor, Jessica Humboldt in "Sign of the Ram"; Dilys Conover in "The Bark and the Bite"... Shall I continue?

McGarrett stood up to them all; for example, he informed Agnes DuBois that "the stars do not a defense make" when her meddling began to interfere in the police investigation, or when he told Terri O'Brien that McGarrett's Laws 1 and 2 stipulated that he not discuss his cases or his personal life with a reporter. No, he did not grill them under the lights or punch their lights out, but he was as stern as the situation demanded.

He was just as stern with Danno when Mary Ellen Travers was killed on his watch before she could testify against Leonard Tokura in "Samurai"; Tony Alika, Dominick Vashon, Honore Vashon, et al.

Gender had nothing to do with it. If someone overstepped the bounds of law enforcement, they got the business end of Stephen McGarrett.

Added: Tuesday 19 November 2013 20:43:53 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Good discussion Vrinda. My point was in the old HFO female characters with strong intelligent scripts were few & far between. Jenny,May,Luana,Lahani etc did their office work & assisted McG with giving messages & taking calls,but we knew nothing about them. They never did an episode with Jenny being kidnapped off 5-0 steps or Lahani's friend being murdered. They were never the focal point of any episode. It just seemed that McG could be tough on the ladies. Looking for heroin needle marks on Nicole in Singapore File to yelling at the psych Dr in Draw Me A Killer. I promised Mr.Mike I'd give the new HFO a fair shake since I haven't watched a show in 20 yrs.Didn't want to talk old HFO episodes like Cry,Lie ,Hookman,The Payoff all the time.In last 6 shows,Catherine impressed me in her undercover work & fight scenes.Smart hire by McG. John

Added: Tuesday 19 November 2013 20:34:01 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

John,

I never said there were any female characters in the old Five-O on the same level as Catherine. And as I pointed out, Steve on the new show did not treat Catherine in a respectable light in the beginning. He was sleeping with her and then calling on her for information when the team needed it. Catherine also hid information from Steve when she helped his mother locate a spy who was tailing her. Steve was upste and ordered her out of the house.

With Kono not around, Catherine steps in to help Five-O, then Steve decides to make her part of the team, a move which is questionable, given their relationship. Would Catherine have gotten as far as she did if she was not in a relationship with Steve?

The only time Steve on the original show had a cross word with Sandi Welles was when he accused her of plantin that bomb. The other times, in "Tour De Force - Killer Aboard," "Heads, You're Dead," and "Dealer's Choice: Blackmail," he called in Sandi to work on cases with them, something he would not do if he didn't value her skills.

Mai, Jenny, Luana, and the other secretaries were there to do office work and their personal lives, just like the detectives, was not the focal point of the show. How is wether or not these women were married important to the storyline? We didn't know if Kono, Ben, or Duke was married, either. Steve's love life was only exposed when an old girlfriend was accused of murder (Cathy Wallis), if he was accused of murdering her (Kathy Ryan), or if she was associated with the investigation or the crime in some other manner (Margo). Otherwise,they weren't mentioning girlfriends of Steve's or making references to his lovelife for the sake of conversation or backstory. The original show did not resort to the soap operish storylines the now does, which would involve the characters' romantic escapades to be part of the storyline.

The only time Steve was rude to any professional woman was when she was rude to him - Dr. Dalton in "Nine Dragons" and Terri O'Brien in "Cop on the Cover." When Steve gave any female professional a hard time, is not because she was a woman, but due to nature of the case they worked on, like when he argued with Dr. Bishop over releasing a patient's file "The Sunday Torch." Steve didn't make any remarks about her being a woman. Dr. Bishop was against releasing the file due to privacy for the patient, but Steve argued that it pertained to the arson cases. Later on, there was Dr. Patrick, with whom Steve got along.

Arguing that Steve gave women professionals a hard time infers that he was doing so because they were women. Just because Steve argued with a woman, it doesn't mean it was because she was a woman. If that is not the issue, then saying he gave women professionals a hard time is no different than saying he gave male professionals a hard time, and that's going overboard. Conflict and differences in beliefs is going to be a part of Steve's world, and not something he can avoid or the writers can avoid if they want to do crime show.

Added: Tuesday 19 November 2013 17:32:31 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

I have to disagree Vrinda.The Old Five O show didn't have any female characters with the strength & talents of Catherine. I know nothing about Jenny,May,Luana, Lani & several women who occupied the HFO suites. Do U know if they were married? Any episodes about them? NO. In The Bomber & Mrs.Moroney,Jenny was caught up in the bomber's sweep but she did nothing heroic or interesting. They answered the phone,handed Steve papers etc.Sandi Welles was a strong female character but McG never gave her credit.He even accused her as a criminal when she rode him around most of the episode. Even the female doctors & psych professionals were given a hard time by McG.Accusing Freshman Psyc or some quip. It was a rare weakness in old HFO that has been rectified with Catherine in the new HFO. John

Added: Tuesday 19 November 2013 15:19:18 MST


Submitted by: Koni
From: America

Target? A Lady

I really like this episode, for many reasons.

Susan Dey is one of them. She has a great chase scene early on that is nail biting, and the thug chasing her is pretty scary. Actually this is one of the best chase scenes in the entire series.

Was she already doing the Partridge Family when this ep was filmed? If so I am surprised she was allowed to play a " bad girl" as it might clash with the squeaky clean Partridge image.

I love any ep that takes place outside of Honolulu and Waikiki and this one filmed on the North Shore, nice background scenery.

The story itself is simple and easy to follow and fairly realistic. I think this ep could be remade today, Dey could play the heavy.

Near the end when McG is chasing the villain he swoops down from a helicopter into a moving boat which is pretty cool. I know it is a stunt man but the scene itself is nicely filmed.

One thing I was not crazy about was the music.

Oh and Vrinda nice comments, I always enjoy your input.

Added: Tuesday 19 November 2013 14:08:16 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

There were no coffee-fetching woman characters on the old Five-O. In one episode, Steve asked his secretary to pour him a cup of coffee, which is nothing degrading, but Kono took the cup and gave it to him. Dr. Ormsbee ordered Danno to get him coffee in one episode, but no one has ever called that out.

The women on the new Five-O leave much to be desired. I can't see a redeeming quality in any of them. If Catherine wasn't Steve's girlfriend, she wouldn't have been working with Five-O initially, or for them now. Michelle Borth's high-pitched voice is better suited to comedy shows, and the way her character was introduced, just as Steve's girlfriend and bedwarmer on whom he called when he needed favors, often making her go against the law in using her access to certain technologies to help Five-O. It was also pointed out by someone here that Steve hiring her to work on Five-O was a breach of ethics.

Governor Jameson was a crook, and Lauren Hills was nonexistent. Jenna Kaye was too child-like in her appearance and voice, and though she was fooled into working for Wo Fat - believing her fiance was still alive and Wo Fat has him in his custody - it didn't make her character look credible. Her gullibility cost her her life, and nearly cost Steve his.

Kono's part was also poorly-written. She's a rookie, yet she's able to join Five-O, simply because her cousin is in it. Kono is also a sniper, a skill which takes years to develop. There's no way she could learn such a skill so quickly. Kono also falls for a criminal, Adam Noshimuri. That says a lot for her common sense. Since she's been gone, it's like she was never there.

Lori Weston's ineptness has been discussed here and elsewhere over and over, so I will say that again, the writers did not develop her character well. She’s an FBI agent, a profiler, and PR expert (she was applying for a job in Governor Denning’s PR department) and on the spur of the moment, Denning decides to make her a member of Five-O. What stood out was how she did not do her job. She was supposed to keep Steve and the rest of Five-O in line, and report back to the Governor on what they were doing. She didn’t, and when Chin crashes that van through the Russian Embassy’s front gate, all hell breaks loose and then Governor Denning steps in and does damage control.

As for Mrs. McGarrett, her actions contradict any notion of her being a professional. Mike mentioned her doing ninja stunts when she’s in her 60s. She speaks to Chin in a smart-alecky tone of voice, walks around in broad daylight when Wo Fat is out to get her, and gets Catherine to work with her on tracking down another spy, without Steve’s knowledge, damaging his trust in Catherine. All this doesn’t make her credible or a good example of a strong female character. In the reviews Mike did of her episodes, there are more examples of her flawed behavior.

Added: Tuesday 19 November 2013 11:50:54 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Wow, Mike, if what you say is true about fans hating Michelle Borth because of their "love obsession with Alex" that is really sad. I mean get a life, it's a tv show with an actor, and you're never going to meet and fall in love with that actor. I mean get out in the world. I loved JAG and Catherine Bell but I never thought that I was going to fall in love with her and meet her and have babies with her in real life. I liked her character, her portrayal, loved the show, but could could have cared less about her personal life or who she was married to. I could have met her a few times being in the industry, but the opportunity never presented itself, and I didn't.

Added: Tuesday 19 November 2013 11:19:29 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

I think most will concur that old Hawaii 5-0 is greater than new HFO. However,I like the Seal angle to McGarrett.He can use different martial arts & techniques to subdue the criminals.This McG is more athletic & agile than Jack Lord.Much younger than JL too. Catherine packs a punch.A female Tour de Force & a great upgrade than the coffee fetching woman characters on the old HFO. Today's old HFO review is Forty Feet High and It Kills!This is my sisters FAV!WoFat again is up to treachery.THIS TIME IN CREATING A FALSE TSUNAMI WARNING! All of this to capture brilliant Genetics Scientist Dr.Lochner.McG gets to pal around with the scientist's hot daughter.What makes this one classic is the banter between WoFat & Lochner.He refuses to be a victim & forces WoFat to fetch insulin for him.His brilliant mind saves him. 5 stars. John

Added: Tuesday 19 November 2013 08:56:45 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

DDK article from Vancouver paper:

http://www.theprovince.com/entertainment/television/Hawaii+Five+Daniel+dials+diversity/9180193/story.html

Added: Monday 18 November 2013 20:35:07 MST


Submitted by: Joekido

Vrinda, that's why I created this board where you can love/hate the original/reboot but nobody wants to join http://hawaii-five-00.proboards.com/

Anyway about Mission Impossible I manage to watch all seasons and never saw the 80's remake. To me the show
was never the same after Nimoy left.

Added: Monday 18 November 2013 18:36:13 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Ringfire: "Still, it's crazy to see GOMER PYLE and GREEN ACRES and MAYBERRY R.F.D. and THE DORIS DAY SHOW (does anyone even remember it?) ahead of M:I in the Nielsen Ratings. What the heck were people thinking?? Maybe they weren't."

The first three shows you mentioned were sitcoms, and sitcoms get more ratings than 1-hour show, maybe because of they are shorter and people don't have to think too hard when they watch them. Also, Gomer Pyle, Green Acres, and Mayberry, RFD, were all popular in rural areas and among older people and less affluent people. That is not the target demographic for advertisers, and was one reason for the "rural purge" of 1969 - 1972, when CBS canceled all their rural-themed shows, which also included The Beverly Hillbillies and Petticoat Junction (was canceled in 1970). Lassie, Hee Haw, and The Glenn Campbell Goodtime Hour were also in this group. Hogan's Heroes was also eliminated in that bunch, though it was not a rural sitcom and did not have the same following as the other shows.

The Museum of Broadcast Commuications gave this reason:

"By the late 1960s, ...many viewers, especially young ones, were rejecting [rural-themed] shows as irrelevant to modern times. Mayberry's total isolation from contemporary problems was part of its appeal, but more than a decade of media coverage of the civil rights movement had brought about a change in the popular image of the small Southern town. Gomer Pyle, U.S.M.C., was set on a U.S. Marine base between 1964 and 1969, but neither Gomer nor any of his fellow soldiers ever mentioned the war in Vietnam. CBS executives, afraid of losing the lucrative youth demographic, purged their schedule of hit shows that were drawing huge but older-skewing audiences."

These shows provided an escape for people, but were not accepted by the younger crowd who didn't like the lack of connection to the real world. The networks wanted the younger viewers and their money, so these shows had to go.

Most likely, the crowd that liked these shows were not the same ones watching MI.

Added: Monday 18 November 2013 18:28:12 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"I've been watching season 1 of Mission Impossible (TV Series) on DVD and it rocks!"

Yes, it absolutely rocks!! I've already finished the "classic" period of M:I - the first 3 seasons with Martin Landau and Barbara Bain. I heard that once Landau and Bain (who were husband and wife) left the show it was never quite same. Also the Cold War plots got replaced with organized crime plots. I still plan to continue with the remaining seasons when I get a chance.

I must admit to being surprised that the show didn't do all that great in the ratings, despite its critical success and frequent Emmy wins. Only during its 3rd season (considered the best season by fans) did it finish in the top 20 (#11). It never finished in the top 20 any of the other seasons. For such a ground-breaking show I find this quite baffling. Maybe folks preferred to watch more action-oriented fare (e.g. BONANZA) at the time. Personally I love the cerebral, no-action approach of M:I - I'll take suspense over action almost any day. Perhaps the show was ahead of its time. Hence why it holds up so well today. Still, it's crazy to see GOMER PYLE and GREEN ACRES and MAYBERRY R.F.D. and THE DORIS DAY SHOW (does anyone even remember it?) ahead of M:I in the Nielsen Ratings. What the heck were people thinking?? :!thinking: Maybe they weren't.

Added: Monday 18 November 2013 15:49:38 MST


Submitted by: KD McGarrett
From: Namaste Vrinda!

I did make some positive comments recently, but i do not think the show is on a par with the original and I understand why anybody who worked on the original would find it a turn-off. I do watch it (on DVR) and it seems there is an attempt to develop similar stories but Alex lacks the commanding presence of Jack Lord. One cannot understand why Wo Fat was dismissed of so quickly. They just don't make 'em like they used to. I like seeing Hawai'i on television again. Next in the reboot pipeline:Murder she wrote, Charmed and Remington Steele. I predict flops.

Added: Monday 18 November 2013 15:37:32 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Joe, I looked up the past crew members, looked for anyone with their own websites, found this man's contact information, and called him up.

This man did pre- and post-production work in LA. He didn't make it to Hawaii until long after H5O 1 went off the air. He did meet Jack Lord many times.

I was doing research for someone else, for a book they're writing.

I remember that board you mentioned. The women there would get into an uproar if someone even pointed out a flaw in the storyline. Their comments were downright rude and bossy.

Most of them are really there because they are fans of Alex and if he was not on H5O 2, they wouldn't bother with it. The moderator is a Grade A nutjob. She goes ballistic on anyone whose opinion differs from hers on the even the most trivial of subjects.

If she doesn't like the subject of a thread, no matter how harmless it is, she interrupts and start berating the posters.

I've seen nice people leave that board because they could not have any constructive discussions without her or someone else arguing with them. You either had to praise the new show to the sky, or keep quiet.

Added: Monday 18 November 2013 15:34:37 MST


Submitted by: Joekido

Vrinda how do you get in contact with someone who worked in Original series?

And what bothers me was no one sees the writing terrible. Over at the proboard where I got
banned from; I never see them say "The episode sucks, it's horrible" instead the pridefully want to think posivity reather then admit that the show needs a lot of fixing. I tried to tell them but they do not pay attention to what I said. I even said that the original series has flaws but they countiue to chew me out. These are not honest fans, they just want to swoon Alex and Scott. I find this disurbing. Plus the rating won't go down is even more disurbing.

I even question why people don't care that the writing sucks so hard, why they enjoyed a childish acting, jerky camera moves, silly dialouges and many more. This shows me what a mess up world we live in.

Added: Monday 18 November 2013 14:48:58 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

The new show has been a train wreck from start to finish. There is noting of value I see, except from time to time a guest star or some good photography in a few scenes.

I just got a nasty private message from a fan of 5-Faux going on about how great the new show is. "It's got better acting, better action, better story ..." Of course, the lout didn't explain how all this was better than in the old show. He started this by saying that the new show was better than that "@#$% Jack Lord." He knew how to throw profanities and insults around, but he could not explain his points at all.

The original show was not perfect, but no show in the histoy of television was or is. However, the actors on the original were miles above the cast of the new show in terms of acting and believability. They embodied the persona of real police officers, being serious, dedicated, professional, intelligent, kind, and caring. Thge storylines were all unique and set themselves apart from the standard cops-and-robbers and whodunnits with red herrings which other crime dramas used.

The new show glorifies flashy action, violence, juvenile dialogue, soap opera side stories, excessive back stories, and story arcs that plod aling aimlessly with no progress in sight.

Koni, I have noticed that Alex either has this deer-in-headlights face or that sneer you mentioned. Unfortunately, CBS picked him because they thought he'd bring in a lot of female viewers, which he did, but that created a following of cougars who are not interested in the show as a whole.

A few weeks ago, I had the pleasure of speaking with a man who was an assistant producer on the original series. He told me he saw the first 15 minutes of the pilot of the new 5-O and stopped watching. He didn't care for it and said they should try and make something original rather than rehash old ideas.

Added: Monday 18 November 2013 14:17:21 MST


Submitted by: Koni
From: America

I am not a fan of the redux show but have caught a few minutes of it here and there. I watched a bit this past Friday and am wondering if Alex M always has that same sneer and acts like he has not had a bowel movement in weeks???

Also since when can a horse outrun a car???

Oh and Friday night's episode reminded me of a Chuck Norris movie from the 80s. Pick anyone really , same tone of machoness and fast paced action with annoying synth music blaring away.

If they would stop jerking the camera around so much I probably would have watched the entire episode, it was like good/bad TV.

Added: Monday 18 November 2013 13:51:07 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

John, Grover is loosely based on a character from the old series in the episode "The Hostage." The "new" Grover first appeared in this season's premiere episode. See mjq.net/fiveo/2010-log4.htm#1

Talf, you pretty well nailed all the stuff that is stupid in the last episode, though the business of the car tires was discussed at IMDB. Someone said that close anal-ysis of the scene suggests that more than one tire on each car has been shot out, and you would expect that the robbers would have done this.

Rainbow, I agree about Borth and I don't understand why there is this hatred for her on some forums like IMDB (though not everyone hates her there). She is very good looking (not to say that Grace Park is unattractive), though some of the dialogue and scenarios her character have been given are pretty bad. For example, in the last episode, Catherine screws up when she is trying to operate this laptop in conjunction with the Supercomputer (the first thing she has "contributed" to her new job) and comments dumbly to that effect. I think she has been set up as "the character you love to hate" as far as O'Loughlin's cougar groupies are concerned. These people are obviously very conflicted these days, because AOL is comfortably living in Hawaii, has a girl friend and a kid by this GF ... it's not like he (or even his character of McGarrett) is going to come riding like a white knight and rescue these dames from their mundane existences.

As far as why Grace Park isn't on the show much recently, the big rumour is that GP is either pregnant or had a baby. This rumour has never been confirmed by anyone from GP on down. Another rumour says that the recent filming in Vancouver (some of which was outdoors on a street (episode five), and I'm assuming the indoor filming with the yakuza boss in the last episode was also done in Vancouver) was done to accommodate the fact that GP does not want to fly to Hawaii because of her "condition," but again ... none of this has been confirmed.

DeliWaiter, nice to see you back. Mission Impossible is indeed a great show with a great theme song (which is in 5/4 time, by the way).

Added: Monday 18 November 2013 09:58:45 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

I have not been watching FIVE 0. Only season premiere and that was it. Probably catch the Carol Burnett one, hmm...must be RETIRE IN SUNNY HAWAII---FOREVER PART 2?

Added: Monday 18 November 2013 08:43:12 MST


Submitted by: talf
From: Ottawa

This writing for this show is getting so bad it's getting good again:
Japanese mob guy has no security / Masks are taken off
for no reason with no fear of retaliation / Chin leaves Kono is a dark alley, no ride? / Governor doesn't give impt background info on person being served / Bank robbers shoot up accomplices house? Did he call them somehow for help? / Even without a spare they could have exchanged tires / Horses all ready for riding (like that motorcycle in museum) / No stopping to see if farmhouse people are okay / Horses okay with gun shots / Firing at a vehicle with an "innocent" civilian inside / McG calls and waits for paramedics, gets stitched up, and THEN calls headquarters / Dude cuts his foot off? What could be so bad about the cushy house arrest to warrant that?...so many more but the worst was Grover giving back the computer to his daughter. At best the hacker has her on webcam, at worst he's going to use her for his next plot.

Loved how Danno conveniently out of the way to make room for developing bromance for new character. (I think by mid-season next year the 5-O crew will consist only of: Catherine, Grover, Joe, McG's mom and special guest deputy Mary)

Added: Monday 18 November 2013 08:40:39 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Yes Mike, I agree with your complaints, but it was still better than that piece of trash Aisha Tyler show from last year. Not saying much but trying to find a positive. I like the fact that this episode didn't have Danny in it, and that Catherine replaced Kono. I like the Catherine character this year, and I like Michelle Borth's portrayal of her. The Kono storyline is played out now, it has to come to a conclusion. Either she is in the show or she is out. If she is out, good, because Grace Park has been complaining about being on the show for its run with her. The show and the audience needs to be free of this storyline and wrap Kono up one way or the other. Why did they take this route with Kono's character?..Is Grace pregnant?...Is she leaving the show?,,,Did they just run out of ideas of what to do with her?...Is Grace doing a movie?....Whatever it is, the one this has proven is that the Catherine character adds far more to the show than Kono did.

I love Carol Burnett, but another McGarrett family storyline. Please enough with the McGarrett family!!!

Added: Monday 18 November 2013 07:57:54 MST


Submitted by: DeliWaiter
From: Undisclosed

I've been watching season 1 of Mission Impossible (TV Series) on DVD and it rocks! At first I laughed at the backlots it was filmed on but have since been endeared to their charm. Lots of familiar Five-O faces and even George Takei guested on an episode! Since Star Trek was filmed at Desilu at the same time, why not? The best thing about the show is the marriage of music to the film. Absolutely excellent! I run the sound thru the stereo and crank it up to ten and the volume comes BOOMING out and is so awesome! I dig the teamwork aspect of the show and the absolute con jobs they pull off on the villians!For added bonus, Peter Graves is not in the first season of MI, it is Steven Hill, who I only knew as the DA from the early days of Law and Order. Barbara Bain is a real class act and Martin Landau was and is still a top-quality actor. Greg Morris and Peter Lupus round out the cast. Wally Cox made an appearance in the pilot episode. I am sure many on this page already enjoy classic MI and I am happy to join the bandwagon. 2nd best theme song next to Five-O!

Added: Monday 18 November 2013 01:34:58 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Nobody has commented in a few days on Reluctant Partners so I'll throw my two cents in on things I haven't commented on:
1.The electronic monitor bracelet around the guy's ankle.He sawed the lower part of his leg & foot off.Wouldn't he have bled to death?
2.The part with Ian Wright flipping through 4 or 5 different T-shirts.Maybe,this was some kind of delaying mechanism since the guys were coming to get him.
3.Why wouldn't HFO know about Wright if he was involved in all this computer hacking & terrorist activity before this?Seems like someone in Homeland Security or informant would know about him.
4.Who is this mysterious Grover?He shows up in Hawaii & has SWAT Comm credentials.Whats his past?What's he hiding? John

Added: Monday 18 November 2013 01:07:06 MST


Submitted by: Michael T
From: Palatine IL

Steve McGarrett's 1968 Mercury Park Lane Brougham has made a return to television-sort of. The car-or at least a quick shot of the driver's window-appears in a few scenes of ABC-television's "Betrayal" which aired a few minutes ago. The Episode is "One More Shot"-episode # 108 for those who can catch it online. I was asked to make the car available last month for a half day of shooting in Lincoln Park neighborhood of Chicago. While the car is on camera for a total of maybe 7-10 seconds, the filming took the better part of a day. I had been on location before with other projects, and knew what to expect, but it always amazes me the amount of time and work that goes into production and how little of it actually appears on screen.

Added: Sunday 17 November 2013 21:22:50 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Pretty straight on the review Mr.Mike.I thought about giving Reluctant Partners 2 stars on my 6 star system mid way through. I boosted it to 4 stars because of the airport terminal scene with Wright. There was great suspense on what would happen to Flight 408. McG did the right thing giving into Wright. He saved over 200 passengers lives. Agree 100% on this McG & Grover thing. They act very juvenile & the arguments are lame for 2 professionals. Catherine saved this episode too. She was at HFO HQ & learned of the computer's location & rushed to the University to unjam the signal. Wright could be a great WoFat type character from the old show. He has the intelligence & moxy to match McGarrett. I wonder what Grover's baggage is.McG said he checked on his record. Good episode after a sluggish & lame beginning with the Governor. John

Added: Saturday 16 November 2013 11:07:38 MST


Submitted by: KD McGarrett
From: Tampa, Hawai'ii?

I just started to catch up with the show. I do not know why, but I am actually enjoying some aspects of the story arc. I never thought I would say that! Sometimes, the dialogs remind me of the old show. Daniel Dae Kim is very believable and a great actor as well.Alex has shown some improvement and I am liking him a little more now-no Jack Lord! I like the use of the original theme as incidental music. I despise the carguments, but there is plenty of mystery. It is heartening to see more of Hawa'ii locales and sights. Let us see Al Harrington and Doug Mossman on the show pepper that with some past alumni and at least have more nods to the original. I wonder which.episode will be re-made next?

Added: Saturday 16 November 2013 10:53:00 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

>2. Can U serve a warrant by just dropping it in the door?

No, that is why it is called "serving" a warrant. You have to physically give it to the person (or maybe his representative?)

>3.Where did 2 horses suddenly appear so they could chase the bad guys?

After their car tires got flattened, McG and Grover followed the trail of the truck used to kidnap Wright. They find gasoline leaking, so their shooting at the truck obviously paid off. Near the place where the truck is found abandoned is an out-of-the-way ranch where there are a couple of horses. No one seems to mind that they "borrow" the horses, though.

>4.They say this Ian Wright is only 21.Is he too young to be a computer & hacking expert as well as involved with terrorists?

Do a Google search for "young computer hackers" without the quotes.

5.How could Ian Wright disappear out of the plane?They had HFO & about 8 officers at the scene.He might have kicked out a window or slid out an exit but somebody would have seen or heard Wright.

Obviously using the same technique employed in S02E15 where two guys escape from a plane in a similar manner: [T]here is the issue of how Peterson and Painter escape through the rear of the plane ("via the service cartway through the galley") onto the tarmac. Is this really possible? No one at the airport seems to notice the two of them running away from the plane.

Added: Saturday 16 November 2013 10:04:29 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Here are some initial thoughts!!

This episode was certainly DIFFERENT, but the basic problem was that it was STUPID ... full of stupid dialogue and stupid situations which were difficult or impossible to logically explain.

The beginning was totally weird. I know that Catherine previously figured out where Sato, the yakuza big shot who is Adam's tormenter, was located. But now, without any buildup or explanation whatsoever, Chin, McGarrett, Catherine (!!) and KONO (who was last seen in Hong Kong as Adam sacrificed himself to divert yakuza away from her) suddenly appear in Sato's Tokyo apartment, kidnap the guy, and whisk him away to somewhere where they persuade him to reveal what has happened to Kono's boyfriend. Come on -- this guy has been made out to be a yakuza capo di tutti capi and he has no guards, no security cameras, nothing to protect him? How did they take this guy to their non-blue-lit room to grill him? Did they just take him down the hall and elevator to the basement, or did they tie him up and drop him over the side of the building or what?

This whole sequence brought back very bad memories of the idiotic hijinks of McGarrett and his mother playing ninja in elevator shafts last season. When I first saw it, I thought, "What is this, a video game? Is someone having a dream? Is someone dreaming about a video game?"

[More random thoughts ... but this whole show is heading towards the ratings dumper, right down there with the shows in North Korea]

McG and Grover are now grudgingly best friends. In the last show Grover was totally up McG's ass, calling him "Commander" and questioning his authority as well as the decisions he made. Now they are like the fucking Odd Couple! Does this mean that this is the end of their adversarial relationship on the show?

I didn't mind the Nick Jonas character, he was a snotty little far-too-clever shit and Jonas played the part quite well! I loved the scene where he whipped off his shirt, probably to cause his pre-pubescent fans to swoon. But according to a friend who has a pre-pubescent niece, Jonas's singing group is totally passé and has been replaced by One Direction!

The business of Grover's daughter photographically "sexting" at the beginning was pretty edgy. There would have been serious implications if the daughter had been caught doing this by the law, other than her dad ... like she might have been charged with producing child pornography!! Obviously this would not have been a good thing for Grover's career and reputation.

Grover riding a horse was ridiculous, this was the horse equivalent of the shitty process shot backgrounds seen during carguments.

Added: Saturday 16 November 2013 09:25:21 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Many questions in this HFO episode:Let's start with--1.Why did HFO remove their masks when interrogating SATO?They were in A power position.Now SATO can rally & attack 50 later now that he knows their faces. 2. Can U serve a warrant by just dropping it in the door? McG & SWAT guy could have avoided the Wright problems by simply doing this?
3.Where did 2 horses suddenly appear so they could chase the bad guys?LOL HFO family. 4.They say this Ian Wright is only 21.Is he too young to be a computer & hacking expert as well as involved with terrorists?5.How could Ian Wright disappear out of the plane?They had HFO & about 8 officers at the scene.He might have kicked out a window or slid out an exit but somebody would have seen or heard Wright. I hated when McG went to ATM at the end.Glad he didn't get robbed. 4 stars. John

Added: Saturday 16 November 2013 08:06:31 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Mr. Mike should have a field day CRITIQUING this 1. Interesting beginning with a couple speaking in Japanese before a party. The man disappears like a ghost whisked awaby HFO. Turns out the man is SATO the guy they been pursuing. Says Adam was made to disappear. Underground. Kono dumbly tells Chin she will try to locate Adam despite SATO's warning. Next--McG & SWAT Commander are yelled at by the Governor & forced to serve an outstanding parking tickets warrant to Ian Wright. Turns out to be a nightmare.A shootout ensues with McG being shot in the arm & Wright captured by bad guys. Shades of 10,000 Diamonds & A Heart with the looped bank footage & Journey Out Of Limbo with McG & SWAT Comm being shot at riding horses.Wright has fooled 5-0 computer whiz works with terrorists.Threatens to blow up plane. Good ending! 4 stars!

Added: Friday 15 November 2013 22:25:00 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Re: "What's true about JL?"

Visit "Remembering Jack Lord" (just add "www" and ".com"). It's all laid out in direct quotations made by Jack and those who knew him.

I'm the webmaster. The members have contributed wonderful recollections about Jack. The entire site came to be after I wondered "What's true about JL?" Some of the praises sung about him were made as recently as two weeks ago and show him as a very fine man, who did much to help the Hawaiian people.

Added: Friday 15 November 2013 19:43:02 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Hi, John,

Duke was a natural for the role – serious and dedicated. I liked how he and Danno were exchanging quips in "The Case Against Philip Christie.”

Chin Ho’s death was shocking and sad.

If Five-O lasted for 15 years, I would have liked Truck, but not Kimo or Lori.

I’ve talked about the rumors regarding Jack many times. They were embellished or fabricated. What you have to remember is the media started all this by maligning Jack so many times. Though what movie magazines print is largely false, people stil believed those stories, for unknown reasons. From what I have read from people who knew Jack, he was a kind, honest, and fair-minded man.

He was working in conditions unlike those in NYC or LA. The crew in Hawaii was mostly Hawaiian and thus, came from a culture that was laid back and not used to the structure and order of working on a TV show. Even the crew from the mainland was caught up in the fact that they were in Hawaii, and tropical paradise more commonly known as a place to play rather than work.

Jack was the co-producer, so he was in charge of the set, and included in a producer's responsibilities is dealing with personnel problems. This included reprimanding insubordinate crew members and actors. Because Jack is also the star of the show, those with whom he had problems would think he was a bad person, and criticize him, not admitting their bad behavior.

It was not selfishness or egotism that prompted Jack’s actions, based on his statements and those of others who got along with him. He was trying to instill proefessionalsm and dedicated in the the crew. Many of the people with whom he worked did not share those beliefs or try to develop them. If they did not work hard and focus, the show’s quality would not be good, they would go over budget and over schedule, and CBS would cancel them.

The bottom line is, if Jack was the nasty, selfish, ego-driven monster the press and certain individuals who worked with him made him out to be, we would have heard the truth a long time ago, and not all in a matter of a few years 15 years after his death. If Jack mistreated people constantly on the set, the crew could have filed complaints with their unions or CBS, and gone on strikes or walk-offs. There is no record of that happening and, if it did, the movie magazines and legitimate
publications would have written about it.

Added: Friday 15 November 2013 19:27:08 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

My Grandma was a big old HFO episode fan.She went to Hawaii in 1981 & came back with interesting photos of Hawaii & eating trays that display all the Hawaii islands.She also bought my sister a school ruler with pictures of important Hawaii places on it. Grandma died this Sept--I'm happy she exposed me to old HFO in re-runs starting in 1987. Makes me realize how important is to keep old HFO strong with the new generat of kids.
1.Did you guys like Duke as an actor?I think he shined in Season 11 like The Case Against Phillip Christie & The Meighan Conspiracy.Death Mask too.2. What you think about Chin Ho getting murdered? Shocking 1st time I seen it.Death In The Family.He was a trusted friend Chin. 3. Think if HFO lasted 15 yrs,you would have grown to love Kimo,Truck,Lori etc.?4.I've heard good & bad stories on JL.What's true on JL? John

Added: Friday 15 November 2013 14:17:30 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Correct. I remember when I was younger watching Five-0 and just being dumbfounded how Jack Lord and company could walk around in those suits in the tropical climate, when in Philly during the summer months I couldn't put a suit on without breaking into an instant pouring sweat. It just didn't compute in my mind. Because I imagined the humidity in the tropics had to be even worse than in Philly. Boy, how wrong I was when I finally made the trip to Hawaii. You can't survive without A/C on the East Coast - especially at night. In Hawaii you can sleep without A/C at night no problem.

Added: Friday 15 November 2013 11:13:09 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

I agree with Ringfire. The summers on the East Coast in Boston, NYC, Philly, and Washington, DC are brutal and unbearable because of the humidity. I think that is because in those cities, most buildings are built to keep heat in during their brutally cold, snowy, winters so people can stay warm. Once the summers start that effect works the opposite way as they trap the heat into them from the sun and the atmosphere, which causes the buildings to "radiate" and make it just awful. Ringfire is correct things are much worse on the East Coast when it gets hot here.

Added: Friday 15 November 2013 08:08:07 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Not only that, Ringfire, but they have those wonderful trade winds.

Added: Thursday 14 November 2013 19:59:55 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"I agree and let’s not forget the difficult working condition that are present when filming in Hawaii. IE THE HEAT!"

Believe it or not I find our summer temperatures up here in Philly much more unbearable than in Hawaii. I know folks have a tendency to think of Hawaii and imagine the tropics and unbearable heat and/or humidity. But I actually found Hawaiian summers very pleasant. Here in Philly it can hit 100 PLUS humidity! Which makes it feel like it's 110. Like an oven!! Not so in Hawaii - there the temperatures rarely change and always seem to hover in the 80s during the day and 70s during the night. And despite it having a tropical climate I noticed that the humidity is pretty darn low. That's why I simply adore the Hawaiian climate. Nothing like it!

Added: Thursday 14 November 2013 18:36:19 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Back To Rest In Peace Somebody. It would be more realistic if the security guard Mitch would have said:Stop! What are you doing?! and we see Cameron or whatever the name of the criminal was running with the guard giving chase. McG mentioned 24/7 protection on the staff after the incidents. Leaving his office open makes no sense. Other HFO episodes close to Top 10. The Flip Side is Death,For a Million Why Not? All the King's Horses,The Bomber & Mrs. Moroney,Nine Dragons,Why Wait Until Uncle Kevin Dies?
Can't wait for new HFO episode tomorrow. Should be interesting to review. John

Added: Thursday 14 November 2013 15:14:32 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"With 284 episodes to choose from, 10 are not enough. I had to leave out "Hookman" and "How to Steal a Masterpiece." That's not fair!!!"

Agreed, H50 1.0 FOREVER! Which only makes it all the more mind-boggling that you actually included 2 episodes from the 12th season over these masterpieces. My mind is officially blown! :!rofl:

Added: Thursday 14 November 2013 14:50:54 MST


Submitted by: Koni
From: America

Vrinda. I agree and let’s not forget the difficult working condition that are present when filming in Hawaii. IE THE HEAT! I give Lord tons of credit for helping make that show work for 12 long years in that tropical climate.

Anyone who has ever been there knows that doing any physical activity can be daunting with the heat.

Many are mentioning the Vashon "trilogy” just a friendly reminder, there are actually 4 shows so it is not really a trilogy.

Oh and I love the dramatic impact of the final scene, man I did NOT see that coming. And bravo to Lou Adler, who was magnificent in the part.

Added: Thursday 14 November 2013 14:21:17 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

John: "How much paint could be dragged that far?"

We established at some point that one can of paint can create a line that long, but it's not infeasible that Cameron could not have brought a second bucket of paint with him and kept it somewhere, though we didn't see it in his hands.

Though the issue of the lack of guards is bothersome. It's not some small detail the writer or director could overlook. Even in Hawaii at that time, government offices had security guards.

Maybe the impression they wanted to give was that Cameron was able to break in without anyone noticing and and pour that paint around. If Steve at least asked where all the guards were, then there would be some credibility, showing that they were acknowlegding that there were no guards around.

That the office was shown to be unlocked when Cameron came in suggests that they left it unlocked, or that the cleaning staff left it unlocked.

Added: Thursday 14 November 2013 12:25:43 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Great old HFO greatest episode discussion. Interested to see Rest In Peace Somebody on a few. It was an intelligent episode but I would put it in Top 25-30. My problem with it was that he had McG scrambling who he was going to kill & then he makes a swath of red paint to the Governor's office. Where are the guards in McG suite of offices & outside the palace? The ex cop had already snuck in McG office before.How much paint could be dragged that far?It's a shame because the criminal was intelligent & outsmarted McG. He just wanted his job back. Maybe McG was too tough on him.5 stars.Can't believe all the firestorm about Catherine receiving 5-0 job. Shes a smart investigator,good undercover,& can use martial arts on the perps. On Hart to Hart,they were married & solved crimes. John

Added: Thursday 14 November 2013 09:48:02 MST


Submitted by: JS
From: UM

Bring back Kono! I never quit watching an episode (not even the talk show one) but walked out when Steve gave Katherine a 5-0 badge.

Added: Wednesday 13 November 2013 19:31:28 MST


Submitted by: George
From: Missouri

Steve hiring Catherine is wrong on so many levels. Having a personal relationship with someone who works for you will lead to nothing but problems. If any of the other 5-0 personnel even think that Catherine is getting preferential treatment, they have an excellent basis for a lawsuit. :!cool:

Added: Wednesday 13 November 2013 18:43:38 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

There are too many to choose from, and my list keeps changing but certain ones always come to mind:

1. And They Painted Daisies on His Coffin
2. Cry, Lie
3. V For Vashon Trilogy
4. Nine Dragons
5. Rest in Peace, Somebody
6. The 90-Second War
7. The Capsule Kidnapping
8. Man in a Steel Frame
9. Hookman
10. The Case Against McGarrett

Added: Wednesday 13 November 2013 17:51:36 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

With 284 episodes to choose from, 10 are not enough. I had to leave out "Hookman" and "How to Steal a Masterpiece." That's not fair!!! :!cry:

Added: Wednesday 13 November 2013 15:56:12 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Good choices, John. Mine would be . . .
1. FOB Honolulu
2. Once Upon a Time
3. The 90-Second War
4. Number One With a Bullet
5. A Lion in the Streets
6. Cocoon
7. Nine Dragons
8. "V" for Vashon (all 3 parts)
9. The Singapore File
10. Good Help is Hard to Find

It's difficult to pick out only 10 of 284 episodes, but I'll admit that I'm drawn to the longer episodes, where there is enough time to round out the storyline.

Added: Wednesday 13 November 2013 13:50:06 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Coming up with my top 10 might be very difficult.

My top 3 probably looks like this:

1. Rest in Peace, Somebody
2. Hookman
3. Vashon trilogy

Then the rest in no particular order might be:

4. The Box
5. Over Fifty? Steal
6. The Ransom
7. And I Want Some Candy and a Gun that Shoots
8. Draw Me a Killer
9. Nightmare in Blue
10. I'll Kill 'Em Again / A Capitol Crime

Something like that...

Added: Wednesday 13 November 2013 11:25:23 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Cold & Snowy in Pittsburgh today.Have a few things to say.
1.What are your FAV 10 of the old HFO show? Like 1.FOB Honolulu 2.V for Vashon trilogy 3.Hookman 4.Didn't We Meet at a Murder? 5.King of the Hill6.The Reunion 7.Number One With A Bullet 8.Draw Me A Killer 9.90 Second War 10.Highest Castle,Deepest Grave.

Added: Tuesday 12 November 2013 16:22:49 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Koni, given the curmudgeons and egotists with whom Jack had to work, I wouldn't blame him for taking several good, stiff belts now and then, or even getting sloshed!

Added: Tuesday 12 November 2013 13:20:10 MST


Submitted by: Koni
From: America

I for one like the idea of Marie and Jack Lord taking a good stiff belt on the lanai of the Halekulani every now and again.

Added: Tuesday 12 November 2013 10:15:19 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

I agree with John, I liked the opening scene of Catherine kicking the crap out of the guy in the washroom(although I agree with Mike's question of How did she get him out of there?)and I am pleased with the orgin story of her joining Five-O which was much more credible than Kono's which basically was 'this is my cousin Kono, she is a rookie cop who used to be a champion surfer. Let's pull her off the surfboard and the waves, make her part of the Five-O team where her first assignment will be to take her clothes off in front of the bad guys. No one was more critical of the Catherine character than I was last year, but they have fleshed her out and developed her story in a nice way. I like the skills she brings as John mentions and the undercover espionage stunts she has pulled give her an advantage over Grace's character. Michelle Borth seems to be more grateful for the role than Grace was, so I've been pleased with the storyline to this point. Unfortunately they have dug themselves a hole the past three years with everything else like Steve's family woes.

Added: Tuesday 12 November 2013 07:49:38 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

HFO fans. I'm going to address some odds & ends from IN DEEP. 1.Don't know about this pupillary distance thing.These guys are wearing masks.How did they identify one of the Decker rip off guys through this method.Is this possible? 2.I think Catherine deserves HFO position. She had a distinguished military career. Knows about honor,commitment,chain of command.Had gun quals in boot camp & maybe in her unit. eve seen Catherine take care of business in fighting scenes.McG a Seal. He can teach her anything she's deficient in. 3.This beard thing. Kennedy was his handle r man that saw Hutchins in real life before the assignment & with the beard. He ID Hutchins with & without beard. 2 point ID. 4.This key thing is a mystery. Mr. Mike is right. I don't know how girl obtained the key.she was dumb & blinded by the money. John

Added: Monday 11 November 2013 07:50:15 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Review of the latest episode:

http://mjq.net/fiveo/2010-log4.htm#7

Added: Monday 11 November 2013 00:30:39 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Really enjoyed this episode. Give it 5 stars out of 6. Thanks for the HFO actors,writers,& staff for executing an excellent episode.
1.More Catherine=Excellent Episode. Incredible opening sequence with Catherine & Sato associate fighting & destroying a Casino bathroom.A few times in the fighting it looked lke Catherine was in trouble.She preservered though.
2.Love the homage to old HFO episodes.The agent Matt Hutchins undercover reminded me of Air Cargo Dial For Murder. The zoo scenes shades of Over Fifty? Steal with Filer. McG offering Catherine a job similar to Lion In The Streets when JL gave Carew a job at HFO.
3.Lost a star with the baby angle & angry SWAT Capt. Wish I could figure out how transcriber got that mystery key. John

Added: Sunday 10 November 2013 15:56:34 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Amusing IMDB discussion:

Personally, I think the show would be far more entertaining if they kept the baby in every episode.
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Three men (that torture suspects) and a baby. :)
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Or 'A baby (that tortures suspects) and three men.
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[This is me] Maybe they could get the kid to puke on suspects, that would make them confess immediately. As well, they could change the decor of the blue-lit room so it was pink-lit.
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LMAO...best line of the year.

Added: Sunday 10 November 2013 13:33:21 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

>Does no one have a problem with McG handing Catherine a 50 badge?

I thought it was pretty funny the way McG opened a drawer at his place and pulled out a badge ... as if he has a drawer full of them.

>I think the shaving was done because the surfer had 2 identities

OK, but it doesn't seem appropriate for Max, the medical examiner to be doing this. Is there some issue with the guy's beard? After all, with or without a beard, it >is< the same guy. This beard trimming would probably be done by someone at a funeral home if that's what the guy's family wanted.

>HFO team found the key in the drain.Chin Ho noticed the drain was loose.That's how they discovered the key.

Yes, I know that, but what does the leaking shower mean? That the guy didn't use the water for several days and it started to overflow, thus leaking inside the house? I don't understand the connection here. Just because the shower is leaking inside the house doesn't mean that there is something screwy outside which would make you look at the drain. It means that the guy has crappy plumbing. Chin found the key in the drain because he was having an "aha" moment similar to JL's McGarrett.

>Danny had no idea why Hutchins wanted to look at the property until Sharie showed him the outside balcony. That's when he saw the zoo & the lockers.

I know this too. But I don't understand the sequence of events prior to this. They determine that Hutchins (the murdered undercover guy) was calling the real estate agent. (He did this to rent the place for a day -- the day when the money was going to be available for someone to pick up [and note that is conveniently a day or two in the future after he got murdered] -- so he could surveil the lockers. We don't know this yet, though.) Danno calls the agent up. At that point, he doesn't say anything about Hutchins. So why does the real estate agent show him that particular apartment? Does she only have one listing? Suddenly the issue of Hutchins comes up, which does not make any sense, because that is his real name that most people don't know. Why would he use this name?

Added: Sunday 10 November 2013 13:25:23 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Thank you, Rainbow. It's always a pleasure.

Added: Sunday 10 November 2013 13:12:27 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Exceptional post to me below, Vrinda. Really well written, thoughtful, and articulate. I couldn't agree with you more.

Added: Sunday 10 November 2013 12:48:30 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

About the shower drain: Like John said, the key was in it. They checked the water tank because that's the likely place to start looking when there is a problem with a leaking showerhead or sink. I've seen that firsthand. When they inspected the drain, the key was in it.

Added: Sunday 10 November 2013 12:31:29 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Good analysis Mr. Mike on HFO episode & HFO fans. On some of the questions, I think the shaving was done because the surfer had 2 identities:Brian Carpenter & Matt Hutchins. During the autopsy,Kennedy the ATF Handler gave a positive ID.Matt Hutchins.
The transcriber Laura was a real snake to have her boyfriend kill Hutchins.How she had a key was a mystery?HFO team found the key in the drain.Chin Ho noticed the drain was loose.That's how they discovered the key.
Danny had no idea why Hutchins wanted to look at the property until Sharie showed him the outside balcony. That's when he saw the zoo & the lockers. They visited the zoo locker before when McG had the 100,000.
I give this episode 5 stars out of 6. John

Added: Sunday 10 November 2013 12:14:02 MST


Submitted by: drol
From: texas

Does no one have a problem with McG handing Catherine a 50 badge? And was anyone surprised that she is now part of the team?

Added: Sunday 10 November 2013 11:32:39 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I watched the last show again, there are far too many questions.

● What really annoys me about the baby is that once again, there is some premise set up on the show which forms a major part of the plot, and that basic premise is flawed, i.e., how Mary could adopt a kid in the first place. A friend of mine adopted a kid from China, this took years and she said the people in charge of the adoption were VERY anal about the whole thing. They even asked questions about how much she weighed, i.e., they wouldn't let someone who was overweight adopt a kid! Even when she was getting on the plane to go to China to pick up the kid, there were questions being asked of her!
● Who was this boyfriend of the transcriber (yes, I know he was the third member of the gang who was ripping off Dekker who killed his two associates, shooting them in the back of the head, and escaping via the back door of the place during the shootout)? Did he also work for the ATF? The way Kennedy punches him in the face makes me think that he knew him, and that he likely did work for the ATF.
● The whole business with the apartment doesn't make any sense. They get the real estate agent's phone number from Hutchins' cel phone, but how do they connect that with the specific place that overlooks the zoo? When Danno is talking to Darryl Hannah's character, the conversation starts out like this is going to be a long term stay for Danno, but after Danno says he was referred by Hutchins, Hannah then says words to the effect that Hutchins rented it for Danno and it was only for one day. As well, Danno says that >Hutchins< "recommended" her. Why would Hutchins do this? Hutchins is his REAL NAME. He has been undercover for three years using the alias of Brian Carpenter. Hannah's performance was unbelievably stupid.
● How does the transcriber get the key to the locker? Typically if you use a coin locker there is ONE KEY. We know there was a key in the drain (obviously Hutchins made more than one copy). Hutchins put the money, which he borrowed from Dekker with no questions asked, in the locker as part of a setup. Where did the second key that the transcriber was using come from? Did Hutchins leave it in his case file or something? Assuming he did this, and it was obviously a setup so whoever was interested in the money (like someone in his own office) would be exposed, why would the transcriber be so stupid as to actually take the key and try to get the money?
● What is the significance of the leaking shower head? The water for this shower head is in a huge tank outside (rain water). Why do Chin Ho and McGarrett go outside as a result, and why does Chin Ho focus on the drain? (Obviously something similar to the old show where Jack Lord's McGarrett was "too clever," of which there are numerous examples.)
● McGarrett says they have to take a closer look at the transcripts to figure out what was going on with Hutchins' case. Presumably we are talking about electronic versions of the transcripts that you would search through ... but even still, it would take TIME to do this.
● Why does Max shave the beard off Hutchins? Makes no sense at all, and is kind of creepy.
● After Catherine beats the living crap out of the yakuza guy, completely destroying the washroom, how does she get him out of the place without attracting attention? The business of Catherine doing undercover work at the "private club" reminds me of the old Five-O episode A Short Walk on the Longshore. Cath tells AOL's McG that if he appears in a place like the club he would be recognized immediately ... just like JL's McG was in the earlier show!

Added: Sunday 10 November 2013 10:08:40 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Mike, I was thinking the same thing. There is no adoption agency that would allow a person like Mary Ann to adopt a child. Did one of the new writers come up with this scenario, and they were totally ignorant of Mary Ann's past?

The girl tried to disengage a smoke alarm in an airplane bathroom. She could not maintain a job, and in the past, wherever she went, trouble followed. If she was able to adopt a child, it had to have been from a place that does not do very good background checks, or maybe none at all.

Added: Saturday 09 November 2013 13:07:59 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Good IMDB comment by akaPro2002:

I found it so hard to believe that Mary was able to adopt a baby. Many single people do but Mary has proven that she is not a stable, reliable person. Just look at her work history. Adoption is a very long drawn out process, sometimes taking years, and it's not cheap. The fact that she was able to adopt a healthy white infant is unbelievable.

Added: Saturday 09 November 2013 10:22:37 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

You’re welcome, Rainbow.

I have noticed the same thing about the media over the years. You don’t need a college degree to be a TV and film writer, but even then, the degree seems worthless given how these people only recall drinking and partying from their college days.

The producers, directors, writers, and actors from TV and film’s early years were a group of people who grew up in a different world. They did not grow up with television or the internet influencing them at every turn. They only went to see films or plays if and when they had the money, and radio was a cheaper alternative for those who could afford one. The media was not a common factor or influencer in people’s lives, and people still had social interactions and relationships with parents, siblings, other family members, teachers, classmates, neighbors, employers, and others. These people did not have their parents around them all the time, could play from morning till night unsupervised, learned through trial and error, and did not act like a victim or self-entitled. They became more independent and adept at interacting and solving problems, hence maturing early. They valued education and authority, and had respect for teachers.

These people lived through the Great Depression and WWII, having to support their families and fight on foreign soils. There was no time for arguing, selfishness, or opinions. They had to help each other. These people had life experiences that gave them far more insight into human experiences, expression, and personalities than the beer-guzzling boors who write for TV and films now. That is why those of the Greatest Generation came up with more literate, articulate, and creative works.

There were problems, yes, and the problems are still ongoing, but people back then were more willing to fight for them and not sit quietly, unlike now. In the past, people in the U.S. had the foundation to overcome these problems and make others more aware of them. Today, despite technological advances, people have used them to become more closed off from the outside world and more ignorant.

Added: Friday 08 November 2013 12:33:34 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Thank you Vrinda.

I'm tired of everything being lighthearted and fun. Maybe if people were more serious and thoughtful there would not be as much pain, suffering and problems in the world. Then people would be happier, and there wouldn't be such a need for being lighthearted and fun, because people already were. That would make too much sense, though.

You can bring up the major problems that the United States has had in the past and we have had them, but the one thing about this country in the past is that people were more literate, well read, and thoughtful. Today they are not. If you look at some of the writing of the old movies as compared to today, those scripts are like fine literature. Not all, yes, before someone says it, as we had Elvis movies and Beach Blanket movies and all that, but overall the writing in the entertainment world reflected a very educated culture.

Added: Friday 08 November 2013 08:12:00 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

That's a good one, Rainbow! I know some people who dump them in those huge ashtrays, the kind that are knee-high and placed outside entrances.

The college mentality is sadly prevalent in every walk of life. I used to be a substitute teacher, and what bothered me was how many of the younger teachers dressed worse than the students and even used the same bad language. The principal could only shake his head and grit his teeth when he saw that.

Going beyond the drinking example, I noticed juvenile behavior displayed by a lot of adult characters on TV nowadays. Steve and Danny on H5O2 aren't just exhibiting that immature behavior in the form of drinking at the end of the each show. Their bantering is also asinine and now looks like its forced just for the sake of being there. It makes any serious dialogue lack in credibility when the same characters are seen verbally sparring like children minutes before.

The attempt is to inject more light-heartedness in order to make this show appeal to younger viewers and make these characters out to look more laid back and fun-loving so people think they are "human," but it really makes them look silly and unconvincing.

Added: Wednesday 06 November 2013 18:51:54 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

I have a trick at such parties. I order a soda water and lime, and make sure the lime is big. It looks like any of a number of alcoholic drinks, and I'm amused as I walk around the room, and all the bombed people tell me secrets that I shouldn't know. I hold it all night and walk out sober.

Vrinda, you hit it spot on, and that's the trouble with today's world. In every line of work, people act like they are in college forever, and they take that into the professional world. This refusal to grow up is everywhere, not just in entertainment. Sports, Wall Street etc., everybody wants to extend the college life into the real world, and that's why you see so many scandals in professional worlds.

Added: Wednesday 06 November 2013 07:52:59 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

The practice of pouring one's drink into the pot plants arises from such parties. So does the practice of "nursing" a single drink all night long. Thus, it is entirely possible to attend a party of drinkers without going over one's limit. We've seen pictures of Jack and Marie at parties, where we may assume alcohol was served. No doubt, they had a method for ensuring that they did not drink more than they thought wise.

Added: Tuesday 05 November 2013 05:02:38 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

I was told my someone who knew them that they did not drink. Maybe at the time they were going to that restaurant they did drink a glass of wine, but later on eliminated alcohol altogether.

Just because they had wine at a sit-down dinner doesn't mean they would like to attend to parties where drinking was more prevalent. These Hollywood parties and even some of the gatherings in Hawaii serve bountiful amounts of alcohol and there is often no control over how much people intake.

Some people will take a glass of wine or champagne with a meal, but they will not drink several glasses if they are at event where they have to spend a lot of time standing up and talking to different people.

Added: Monday 04 November 2013 20:37:48 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

My understanding is that Jack and Marie drank at dinner but not for drinking's sake. Read the following:

"When they came in to dinner, Marie was always in charge," said [Alicia] Antonio, who was restaurant manager at the Maile [a restaurant at the Kahala Hotel]. "They were both very particular about certain things; they had their favorite wine; and they always started their meals with fresh fruit." (Harada, Wayne. "Friends Fondly Remember Marie Lord” in Honolulu Advertiser. October 15, 2005.)

Added: Monday 04 November 2013 19:27:56 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

"I'm with you all the way Vrinda. …”

Thanks, Rainbow. It’s a sad thing when people live for getting drunk. It’s like they think they’re in college forever. I never understood people’s fascination with alcohol and getting sloshed all the time. That people in the entertainment industry need to have clear heads and stay focused in order to put out creative products makes it even worse. Alcohol has been a part of Hollywood culture since its earliest days. It was not unusual for actors, actresses, studio executives, and others who work in the industry spending 3-4 days per week or more partying every night. Then, when they all developed alcoholism and their careers went under, they still didn’t have a clue.

That is one of the reasons why Jack and Marie did not socialize that much. They were teetotalers and when you are at a party where the liquor is flowing like a waterfall, ugly things will happen, and you don’t want to be a part of it. In an industry where alcoholism is common and alcohol is a main staple at parties, the drunken behavior will run rampant and it’s no wonder Jack and Marie stayed away.

Added: Monday 04 November 2013 14:05:46 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Gavin MacLeod has just released a memoir entitled "This is Your Captain Speaking." (Do a Google News search, there are numerous stories about this.) Five-O is mentioned in some of the stories. I don't know how much space is given to Five-O in the book, though I have a copy on hold at the local library, where it has been ordered.

Added: Monday 04 November 2013 09:34:22 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

My review of the last show:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/2010-log4.htm#6

This show had some interesting stuff in it, particularly the business with scopolamine which is quite true (and quite creepy), and the science behind the crackpot doctor's method used to "reform" criminals.

There was no mention of Mom McGarrett, Kono and Adam were only referred to, and Catherine seemed to be getting her life together by helping out Five-0 (though this was nothing new). There were also none of the usual tourist shots. On the other hand, we were subjected to silliness with Max and his girl friend.

What I didn't like was there were two (count 'em, two) locations in caves, one where Demps, the unfortunate guy who had been experimented on, was living, and the other for the doctor himself. The doctor's lab seemed to be very well equipped, considering it was inside a mountain and just had some crappy metal grill-like door at its entrance.

The first of these produced a jaw-dropping line from Danno suggesting that he was claustrophobic, despite the fact that in S02E12 he was in a tunnel where a body was found. Everything sort of came to a grinding halt with this line, first with McGarrett reacting "I've been with you for four years and you are just telling me this now?" and the audience reacting similarly. It's like the writers ran out of normal idiosyncracies for Danno and suddenly pulled this out of their hat, just like the crazy anti-gun rant in the Hookman episode.

Assuming this second location was where the doctor was dissecting Lisa's brain, this produced some peculiar editing, because Five-0 broke into the doctor's house and didn't find anything, even though there was this Dexter-like room with plastic sheets at the entrance to one room that McGarrett sliced through. The doctor was presumably not in his house, even though he seemed to be reacting to the sounds of Five-O snooping around.

By the way, there is some classic Five-O trivia connected with this show as per an article by Mike Gordon in the Honolulu Star-Advertiser. Jeanne Cooper, the mother of Corbin Bernsen, star of this show, appeared in "… And I Want Some Candy and a Gun That Shoots.” She played the mean mother of the disturbed Vietnam War vet who started taking rifle shots at people and cops.

Added: Monday 04 November 2013 08:46:50 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

The cooling off with a beer at the end once in a while is fine, but not at the end of every or every other show.

If 1.0 did the same thing, it would get predictable and monotonous, and the writers and producers probably wanted to devote every minute to the case. That three or four minutes of screen time wasted on a bar scene could have used to explain evidence in a case or show a crucial scene with a witness.

This is not to say there weren't any such light-hearted scenes, or similar ones which contained awrap-up of sorts. At the end of The 90-Second War, Part 2, there is that cute end scene on the balcony at the Palace where Danno asks what Steve is going to do with the $2 million dollars Steve was found with at the beginning of Part 1. Steve jokes that he's going to keep it, then says that Wo Fat and the Chinese government have just made a donation to the Policeman's Widows and Orphans Fund.

That kind of scene is more meaningful than the guys sitting around in a bar or restaurant at the end clinking mugs.

Added: Monday 04 November 2013 08:26:47 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Wa
From: New York, NY

I'm with you all the way Vrinda. Having worked in the industry for a long time, I can tell you that alcohol consumption and abuse is pretty high among people. They spend their days talking to each other about "I can't wait to get s---face tonight when the day is over!" That's everyday, not just on weekend nights. I can't tell you how many people in the industry are just in love with alcohol and getting drunk, that's all they talk about. It is no wonder it is included in every show, because they write what they know. That's probably why so many movies and TV shows are not very good, because the people behind them are all messed up. As someone who didn't drink, I found the atmosphere uncomfortable at times.

Virginia, I hear you about comic relief, and in some shows like LA Law, and Hill Street Blues,and NYPD Blue it worked, but in the new Five-O, I find it ruins the overall tone. I thought the Old Five-O's attempts at humor were well done, well placed, and didn't try too hard. With the new show my attitude is....If I want comic relief, I'll watch Robin Williams, not Scott Caan.

Added: Monday 04 November 2013 07:57:18 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Good grading system, John, and I agree about "Dear Enemy." Vera Miles was capable of and deserved much better than that script.

As for sitting around and drinking beer at the end of a case, I don't mind it. Sometimes 1.0 ended too abruptly, I thought; e.g., "You Don't Have to Kill to Get Rich..." I like a little cooling off time after the big arrest. It serves as comic relief, as do the shrimp lunches at Kamekona's.

Added: Sunday 03 November 2013 18:40:14 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

You got it, Rainbow. I was yelling "Good grief!" all over the place when I saw that. Can't these people stay dry for one show? I'm amazed no one in that crew needs AA. Given their antics, they're headed that way!

Added: Sunday 03 November 2013 17:56:43 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Mr. Mike & HFO Family-----Here's my 6 star HFO grading system. ****** = Heavenly. Shows God would watch. These episodes include:The 3 Vashons,FOB Honolulu,Draw Me A Killer,Hookman etc. ***** = Classic.Many HFO episodes fit this category.A Bullet For McGarrett,A Gun For McGarrett,Once Upon A Time,The Flip Side Is Death etc. **** = Excellent. Very good shows that fall short of classic. Include:Savage Sunday, Samurai,6000 Deadly Tickets etc. *** = Good .Episodes Good would be The Sleeper,Nightmare Road,Up Tight etc. ** = Poor * = Unwatchable=. A HFO episode to get below *** is rare. Today's Classic HFO review is Dear Enemy. Somehow HFO wasted Vera Miles & Gary Collins in this script about a widow who gets McG to look at her husband's murder case.I'm still wondering why Lockwood (Collins) motives are. 2 stars. ** John

Added: Sunday 03 November 2013 11:16:34 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Mike,

It's Miller time!!!....As Charlie Brown used to say and Vrinda I'm sure does say in regards to the Five-O beer endings......"Oh good grief!"....Could they at least switch to wine for one show?

Added: Sunday 03 November 2013 10:21:15 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

OK, I have thought about it ... but these are my "don’t think about it too hard" thoughts.

This show was not bad (especially for a Hallowe'en show). The business about scopolamine putting people into a zombie-like state was based on reality -- see YouTube. And I cannot ignore the sight of Michelle Borth in a bikini.

But there were things that were annoying.

For example, the sight of Max acting geeky over The Rocky Horror Picture Show. Puh-leeze!!

Max gets somehow contaminated by scopolamine from the doctor on the beach. It says in the YouTube documentary that you can blow the powder in someone's face and affect them, but would there be any powder on this guy's body that Max would have been in contact with, enough to make Max freak out?

Danno says that he is claustrophobic. Wasn't he in the episode which took place in some WW II tunnels? (This was episode 12 of season 2, Alaheo Pau’ole (Gone Forever), where action takes place in bunkers at the beginning of the show. I have to check this.)

Gracie toilet papered her father's tree ... but she is only like 4 feet tall or whatever!! How the hell could she have gotten the toilet paper up so high?

How does Max figure out that the potential mastermind behind all this crap is the crackpot doctor who has weird theories about how to cure "problems" of young people? Of course, this doctor is now in Hawaii (yawn).

Five-0 are breaking into the doctor's house. The doctor seems to be "operating" somewhere in the house ... or is he? He seems to react to the sounds of Five-0 opening doors and moving around, etc. They don't find anything, so where is this guy? Was he actually in the house? Did he sneak out or what? They later track him down to some top-secret laboratory in a "tunnel" somewhere (just like the guy who was being experimented on). What is the explanation for these tunnels?

They just can't resist bringing beer into the finale of the show!

Added: Saturday 02 November 2013 10:49:43 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Still thinking about last night's show.

In the meantime, check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToQ8PWYnu04

Added: Saturday 02 November 2013 10:32:18 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

It's really difficult to poke holes in this HFO episode. Kudos to the writers & HFO actors for executing an excellent script. Other than the Danno claustrophobic scene at the jungle tunnel,I thought it was first rate. I love how Catherine handled her grief over Billy's death by throwing herself into an important investigation. The Lisa Mills,Marshall Demps,& Brock Upton was an outstanding story & Dr. Ellery proved to be quite sadistic. Glad Marshall had a great story for being at the jungle tunnel(story.) Thought it was another kid hanging out & got scared. The Brock kid was a terrific actor.Screaming when Dr.Ellery had him strapped down & relaxing when McG told him it was over.A good ending for a change. Gracie toilet paper her own tree. 5 stars out of 6. John

Added: Friday 01 November 2013 23:26:45 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Mr. Mike & HFO Family
I'm not a big fan of Halloween episodes but this HFO Halloween episode was exciting, interesting, & original. A splashy introduction with a blood thirsty zombie infiltrating a Halloween party. He attacks the throat of one,pushes away a HFO member in costume,&.tries to choke a cop to death. A quick turn occurs when they find that the shooting victim as Dr.Besner.Why would a Doctor be involved? It turns out that Dr.Besner was drugged with a high dose of a drug,walked into the morgue & removed the head of accident victim Lisa Mills,& was drugged again by a mysterious man. He steals the head from the Dr. HFO learns Mills & Demps were injected with s ome mysterious parasite as guinea pigs.Great episode! 5 stars!Liked seeing Catherine too. John

Added: Friday 01 November 2013 19:24:52 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Joe, I had to say it, so I said it.

The critics are paid to say what they say, and it doesn't matter what they really think. If it lines their pockets to praise a show, they will give it all the accolades they can.

The show appeals to a fractured audience - that is, they are watching for different reasons: the Hawaiian scenery, oggling Alex, the "carguments," oggling Grace Park, the car chases, the violence, and the theme song. Many people admitted the storylines and acting were bad, but they were watching because it was escapism and they didn't need to think much. Given the content of this show, it's apparent no one is thinking too much in regards to it.

Added: Friday 01 November 2013 18:13:17 MST


Submitted by: Joekido

Woah Vrinda, you don't have to type all that, we all know that but what can we do?

Yes; I know the new show sucks, the casting is bad, the dialogue is silly, the acting sucks and the carguments which everyone loves for no good reason is stupid
:!thinking:

But what can we do? There are hardcore fans loving the show and media praising it, calling it a worthy successor of the original series.

For me the new show is a mixed bag. The casting should have done better, the writing is annoying, the dialouge is a plain cookie. The show was set to be this way back when it was development and not meant to be a recreation of the Original Series. The only reason I watch this show was to see Honolulu today. I wished the new show would recreate the Original Series but CBS did not want it this way

So shit :!mad:

Added: Friday 01 November 2013 12:17:38 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

The new Five-O embodies that adage, "Everything that could go wrong went wrong.” There’s no way they could put together a show with this many problems: bad casting, silly dialogue, third-rate story writing, too much camera jerking, juvenile acting, poor characterizations, and convoluted, soap operish side stories.

I am not enamored by the frat boy antics of Alex O’Loughlin and Scott Caan. Their arguing and insults didn’t give their characters any credibility.

Those scenes and the personal side stories of the characters took away from building the crime drama structure. I think the writers don’t know how to or don’t care how to write a decent 43-minute crime story, so they write whatever comes into their heads as far as that is concerned, and pad the rest with the soap opera fluff. The main stories end with 5 minutes to spare, and the rest of the time is devoted to Steve and Catherine, Danno and Gabby, or everyone hanging out at a bar, clinking beer bottles.

In between, there was one big mess with a lot of loose ends that were tied up in ways that didn’t make sense. What was accomplished?

Many people on message boards who praised the new show when it first came on the air, and criticized the original series, sang a different tune after a year or two. Some lost interest when Lauren German joined the show, and even those who kept watching nonetheless lost interest after she left and things were back to "normal.” They realized how much the new show was missing all along and they liked it for the wrong reasons.

What it looks like is that audiences don’t lose interest in a show because of its lack of quality, even though it may be lacking in that, but because their reasons for liking the show were based on superficial aspects in the first place and, as with all superficial things in real life, interest fades fast. How long can you find the "carguments” interesting before they become predictable? How long can people be captivated by a story arc that is not going anywhere, like the Doris storyline? That story was not organized at all, hence its uneven structure.

This introduction of old flames, like Billy, has become redundant. They did this with Malia earlier, and Billy wound up just like her. That makes for another cliché: On this show, old flames get put out fast. Instead of bringing new people in only to kill them off later, work on improving the characters who are already there.

Added: Friday 01 November 2013 10:56:09 MST


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