Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- November 2012

The Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- November 2012



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Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

One more comment:

Every location on earth has changed drastically from how it was 50 years ago. Some changes have been good. Some have been horrible. Whether we like the change or not, it is the natural order of things. Nothing is static.

Added: Friday 30 November 2012 18:15:17 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

>"From 59 and on, Hawaiian culture has seen a gradual and decided decline."

Well, I hope you can see that series like Hawaii Five-0 in the long run just contributed to the ills and woes you described.

Hawaii is a very special and unique place, but it is turned into something that looks like a mainland state -- gangs, drugs, homeless, etc.

The shows does nothing to really promote true Hawaii and culture. People will watch this series and just see it as another cop show of which there is nothing really special other than the fact it was shot in Hawaii. If it is not "forgotten" well, maybe it should be so people do not see Hawaii like this--full of stupid ideas, stupid relationships, unbelievable action.

Who can watch this and want to come to Hawaii afterwards? Anyone who knows next to nothing about Hawaii-- what will he think after seeing Hawaii Five-O? He will think of Hawaii as nothing other than your typical mainland state.

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Now for some general comments. Anyone 50 years ago could have told you that what is now happening to Hawaii would have to happen with time. There are strong simularities beween Hawaii and the American Indian -- white man moves in ans grows, he has powerful resources -- education, money, guns, politcal savey, ARMY, etc, and this is hard to resist. and when your smaller culture has a dimishing population, there is no hope--you will be "taken over."

But western-type, free economic enterprise is next to impossible to resist. This is because money is a moral weakness with ALL peoples of the globe. Look at Russia comapred to 30 years ago--the big cities have changes SO MUCH. Look at China just these past 20 years. Look at Japan--US forced democracy and economic system upon Japan turning it into a economic giant in Asia. And with that came a love for golf, American baseball and Elvis Presely! But here the populations of the invaded culture does not diminish and many elements of the original culture can still survive. But not so with smaller cultures where the population diminishs.

Hawaii voted for statehood in 1959, but by then most of those that voted were non-true Hawaiians, so the true Hawaiian voice was muddled out--by that time it was already too late.

Hawaii, with its small land mass, with no major industry like car factories, oil, gas, etc, and just really torurism and exotic fish and foods and flowers to offer, with its military significance in the Pacific and the importance of Pearl Harbor, with a smaller and smaller true Hawaiin population, well, common sense tells you that Hawaii would change forever and could never go back. It's sad, unstoppable. IZ at one time called it "progress" but he was just admitting defeat really.

And let's not forget, that Hawaii Five-0 is also a part of this overtaking process. A small part but a part nonetheless (especially this new series!).

Added: Friday 30 November 2012 17:46:17 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Kimo, I think a large part of the problem is that Hawai'i is located so very far from the mainland. In "Number One With a Bullet" (Season 11), we learned that mainland television programming was slow to reach the islands. Conversely, goings on in Hawai'i are very slow to reach the mainland; even the Weather Channel doesn't include Hawai'i in the weather broadcasts. There's been little chance for the mainlanders to view Hawai'i as a state and not an island out in the middle of the Pacific. And I think that runs both ways to some extent. Then, the cultures are so different. The mainlanders hail largely / historically from Europe, while the Hawaiians hail largely from the Pacific and Asia. As an old (long ago and far away) DOS instructor said, "DOS is as far from Apple as English is from Chinese." As such, it follows that Hawai'i is as far from the mainland as... As what? I don't know, but that difference certainly puts a crimp in things even before you get to the pushy developers, etc., so forth, and so on. Can it all be worked out? I don't know, but I hope so. I really do hope so. I love Hawai'i and her people.

Added: Friday 30 November 2012 16:15:28 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Kimo, take it easy. You sound like you're about to get into a bulldozer to try to run over some haole land developer. Just watch out for that dynamite shack ahead of ya, bruddah. That thing go boom and den you pau, brah.

Added: Friday 30 November 2012 15:12:18 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Kimo's giving it to you straight. It's still a foreign country, even if they do use ZIP codes. I even found myself talking to a Hawaiian woman about "in the States," rather than "on the mainland." Oops! But you do feel the difference. Unless you are (1) financially independent or (2) have a friend ready to take you into the fold and teach you the ways of the land, it would be a MOST difficult transition. Too many have tried and found themselves without the airfare to get home and had to sleep on the beach. Talk about a lifelong dream turned into a nightmare. Do your research VERY carefully before you take the plunge -- and keep Kimo's notes for ready reference.

Added: Friday 30 November 2012 14:10:48 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

H50 1.0, to elucidate, when I say no one cares, I refer to the inherent, justified apathy locals have with problems or concerns mainlanders have, and their mentality and myopia which grew from years of hearing "ah ya lost the war, get used to it. Enjoy yer statehood and everything america gave ya. And Imperialism is everywhere around the world. If american didn't overtake your lands, the Russians woulda. Or someone else"

Added: Friday 30 November 2012 13:31:26 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

Yes, Mike, sorry for off topic post. But I can't write "I hate the new show, simply hate hate hate it, lets boycott it, am watching it tonite to see how much hate I can hate it with..."
"the wife works in reality/prop mgmnt and who knows if she'll be able to gain employment there." People say Oh I wanna move to Hawaii. I can do there what I do it here on the mainland" 'a'ole! NO! Absolutely not. Number one, you attempt to work prop management, painter, landscaping, whatever, you give unwanted competition to locals who have been doing that here for long time. Two, the newbie does not know the culture, the ways and means of the milieu, all the contacts... the list is too long.
Locals do not like mainlanders coming here thinking they can do the jobs locals should be doing. I ran a jobsite a while back, the homeowner had some damned hillbilly oakie working there and he, in turn hired a painter referred by our local Home depot. This painter was FOB. We were waiting for him all day. I called his cell phone many times saying where da hell AREYA!? He couldn't find the place. (and he impatiently yelled I'll get there!" do I need that?) He being a foreigner didn't know the island and got lost trying to find his way to a home Liliha area. Wasted too much of our time. Locals are NOT a tour guide for haoles. But they expect us to be, They also expect us to be teachers too. I talked with some gal who does landscaping in cali. She said she wants to move here and do landscaping. I said no. don't bother. Do you know Hawaii's culture? Its indigenous plants? Have you lived among the people here? Have you lived on the land you supposedly will be tending with knowledge and experience? Do you know Hawaii's soils? Its weather conditions? "No, but I can learn". What arrogance. This realty/prop management woman. Has she been in all of Hawaii's historical homes and buildings? Has she lived through Hawaii's rollercoaster fluctuating real estate market? Is she fully conversant with our indigenous building codes? Does she have complete knowledge of our varied architecture and its history? Does she know how to talk local? Does she even know how to understand local dialect? Does she know all areas of our islands and what particular types of homes one would find in each locale? And why? Does she know types of woods at a glance used in construction? It is wholly different here. I heard of some contractor from the mainland who built a home and he said "Treated wood?! What's that. Too expensive. We'll use untreated wood. And after the job, toss the scrap lumber under the house so the termites can get at that. By the time they are done with that and start working on the house, we'll be long gone."
No. Locals do not like mainlanders coming here for anything but the requisite visit. We love tourists. It does end there.

Added: Friday 30 November 2012 12:31:19 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

"across the islands we saw subdivisions pop up for transplants and everyone from all over wanting to "live in paradise", a paradox, as it no longer is,"

I read Kimo's words and I shudder at the thought of my friends who are going to move there just as soon as their home here in NC sells. I think the islands could be a great place to move if you can be self-sufficent, say, by opening a business of some type, but if you're moving there depending on the economy and a job....jeez, that's a scary prospect. The husband is retired but the wife works in reality/prop mgmnt and who knows if she'll be able to gain employment there. These folks are strictly middle-class and far from "filthy d*** rich" as HF10 says. Albeit they are good friends they are polar opposite to me politically speaking and I know won't take my advice on this, so I don't offer it. I just hate to see their paradise lost. Apologies Mr. Mike for being sort of off topic.

Added: Friday 30 November 2012 09:47:40 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

The short list; succession of dominant industries: sandalwood, whaling, sugarcane, pineapple, military, tourism.
From 59 and on, Hawaiian culture has seen a gradual and decided decline. The lands are taken over by foreigners and speculators. The original inhabitants can no longer afford to live in their towns they and their 'ohaha spent decades in. Homelessness is widespread. Shortly after 59, haole laws were rampant and effected heinous results across the lands. Hawaiians were evicted from their own homes and farms and lands. (Kalama valley, chinatown, sand island, etc..) Waikiki originally was home to many kanaka and then the haole businessmen came in, evicted all by hook and by crook, in order to create a playground for the rich and famous. across the islands we saw subdivisions pop up for transplants and everyone from all over wanting to "live in paradise", a paradox, as it no longer is, especially for those that originally called it home. And now foreigners squat here, call themselves a kama'aina and "this is my home" oblivious to the fact whose home it really is, and kama'aina, they will NEVER be.

Added: Thursday 29 November 2012 19:54:59 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Kimo, what industries did Hawaii have before it became state, and how would remaining a territory have made things better?

Added: Thursday 29 November 2012 17:56:39 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Kimo, "No one cares" is a bit of an overstatement (but, sadly, not much of one). Some of us mainlanders do care. We support the Hawai'i Food Bank to help feed those in need, Donors Choose to help support the public schools there, and Hawaiian cultural organizations that promote the preservation and study of Hawaiian history.

I support through Donors Choose a school project to record Hawaiian folklore as told by those few who still remember it. Through our donations, the class has purchased recording equipment, and the students are interviewing the elderly Hawaiians. The stories will be transcribed and published in a book, which hopefully will generate substantial sums for the furtherance of the preservation of Hawaiian history and culture. I'm not giving as much help as the rich fat cats who live there should be giving (Why aren't they?????), but I do care, and I am doing what little I can afford to do.

I'll tell you what: If you want to generate a list of the most worthy (and responsible) organizations helping the Hawaiian people, I'll be glad to list them and their contact information on my MofH50 website. Or, if anyone is interested, contact information for the Jack and Marie Lord Fund, which is maintained by the Hawai'i Community Foundation, can be found on RJL on the Philanthropist page. There, you will see a list of the charities the Fund supports.

Added: Thursday 29 November 2012 15:48:29 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

"Everyone needs work these days. No just Hawaii. LA used to have 90% of the filming productions..." Ask any kanaka maoli if they care one bit about what da haoles are experiencing on the mainland. NO one cares. Hawai'i has too many struggles and strifes to deal with. It is the most expensive state in the union to live in. It went downhill the moment statehood was enacted in '59. NO one knows Hawai'i's history. The islands now are fully dependent on Tourism, the Military and Movie and TV productions. And the haolecentric myopic attitude; "Oh YOU are saying others have it better than Hawaii and Hawaii's problems are worse than any one else's" does not help at all, and of course displays a painfully obvious obliviousness to the situation. "Ah, get used to it. It's happening everywhere". This paperthin argument goes nowhere to appease. No one cares. They care about their home only and will do anything to protect it.

Added: Thursday 29 November 2012 12:32:09 MST


Submitted by: Sam
From: On vacation. Not in Hawaii :)

All over the place.
Atlanta ( The Walking Dead), North Carolina ( Vampire Diaries) , Miami (The Glades, Burn Notice), NY ( Smash, Unforgettable), Portland ( Leverage, Grimm).... And of course Canada, a lot there too.
My point is that everyone needs jobs these days. LA has lost a lot of business .

Added: Thursday 29 November 2012 09:37:53 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Kimo's right when he says the Hawaiian people are desperate for jobs. I know people there who are working five and six part-time jobs just to pay the rent -- forget hopes of ever owning a home. Full-time jobs are a luxury that too few people achieve.

I'm sure Kimo wasn't implying that everyone on the mainland is gainfully and fully employed. We all know people all around the world are hurting. But he's right about how bad things are in Hawai'i. Drive around the island, and you see many low-income and high-income homes, but it is difficult to find the middle-income homes. A lot of anger stems from that vast chasm.

Maybe I've shared this before, but when we were there, the tour bus driver told what he intended as a joke -- except there's a lot of truth written between the lines: A person first visiting Hawai'i is a malihini (visitor). A person there for the second time is a kama'aina (resident). A person there for the third time is "filthy d--- rich." The Hawaiian people aren't laughing.

Added: Thursday 29 November 2012 09:23:38 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Sam, where did the other 65% of jobs go? I know many shows used to film in Canada because it was cheaper.

Added: Thursday 29 November 2012 08:44:31 MST


Submitted by: Sam
From: CA. From UK

Kimo,

Bleh to you.
Everyone needs work these days. No just Hawaii.
LA used to have 90% of the filming productions, now is just around 35%. A lot of people is jobless in LA because of this.
So don't go around selling that the poor Hawaii people needs jobs more than others . And that anyone not watching or saying the show is crap, is mean and that people will suffer if the show ends.
We all need jobs man, and CA is one of those States. A lot of people that is in the business has been out of job for a long time in LA. We need jobs as much or more than Hawaii.

Added: Thursday 29 November 2012 04:32:50 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

"You are making too much of this." I knew this was coming. Quite predictable by now. friggin haole mentality.

Added: Thursday 29 November 2012 01:51:55 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

>"This is an insult, a slap in the face of those that work very hard to create these shows..."

Of course there are a lot of support people who physically make the show happen, but whether their work will be forgotton or not depends really (if it depends at all) on the quality of writers and actors and directors. If these are bad, their (support people) work **will** be forgotten.

But they probably don't care anyway, and often times are not remembered even when the show is good, so they really should not worry about that--they made their money, fed their families--that's all they can do and be expected to do. They are almost never remembered (to be forgotten) -- good or bad show.

You are making too much of this. For every one person that wants to see this as a good show there seems to be 5 or 10 that say it is bad. For suppoert people this means they will have less work on this series--that's all. Nothing more. Has nothing to do with being insulted even if the show is "forgotten." The insult is more to the directors, actors and writers.

Added: Wednesday 28 November 2012 21:14:54 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

"88 episodes and this mess will be gone . And a few months later no one will ever remember it was there" Except the multitudes, the numerous uncounted, unknown, unrecognized talents that are the backbone of the TV and movie production team, who depend solely on these shows, who made an honest living working faithfully as crew on "this mess" who also grew to love and support this (and any production in Hawai'i) as it was hard fought, gainful employment which put food in the mouths and a roof over the heads of the various family members big and small, old and young. After the demise of a local production, when production crew members search the interweb for what's in the offing and they land on this, feel very proud your ersatz boycott heaped negativity on the general bleak employment situation related to local Hawai'i movie and TV productions.
"no one will ever remember it was there"". This is an insult, a slap in the face of those that work very hard to create these shows and later, after the production run, they remain proud of their work as grip, extra, wardrobe, casting agent, driver, CGI team, set decorators, prop master, construction crew, etc., ad infinitum, and the show and it's eps remain as an important part of their resume, instrumental in securing future work on a subsequent local TV or movie production that (hopefully not, but...) unfortunately may also grow its cadre of cancerous haters.

Added: Wednesday 28 November 2012 19:28:59 MST


Submitted by: Galvin
From: US

Yes, Mr. Mike. It is all in the media. Hawaii will get the 88 episodes, it is a business decision. Even if they have to air the rest of episodes at 2 AM when no one is watching. CBS needs that number to make the show profitable for them.

I feel bad for Scott C. I think he is a great actor that really loves his career. Being in a show that everyone knows is on because of the syndication deal, is never a good thing for an actor. But he will do well after the remake because he has talent and he loves acting.

Now, Alex, no that sure. You can only live of your look for a few years in Hollywood, and the guy is looking older than he really is.

So relax, 88 episodes and this mess will be gone . And a few months later no one will ever remember it was there, :D

Added: Wednesday 28 November 2012 16:22:51 MST


Submitted by: Mr. MIke
From: Vancouver

What Glavin says here echoes the influential WWW site TV by the Numbers a while back, that hell boiling over will not stop CBS from letting the new Five-O get to the 88-episode mark, which is the magic number for a series to be syndicated. I figure if they go all 24 shows next year, the last one will either wrap things up, or it will be a cliffhanger with the intention of a TV movie following soon after.

Added: Wednesday 28 November 2012 14:47:53 MST


Submitted by: Galvin
From: US

The show will stay on until it reaches the syndication episodes. The crappy ratings don't matter much at this point. So a few more no watching wont make much of a difference, H5o Forever.
CBS has lost a lot of rating points this season. If they cared more for making good shows with good actors instead of renewing bad shows because of a syndication deal, they would be in a better position this season.
The new show is unwatchable. After 3 seasons Alex O. Is still not able to pay a convicing character. Each time he opens his mouth u see how much ths show stinks.

Added: Wednesday 28 November 2012 13:25:40 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Did you also notice that when Danno was handcuffing Olivia at the end and she was resisting, that he was sort of forcing her up against the car with his body and smiling? Dirty old Danno! :!devil:

Added: Wednesday 28 November 2012 10:51:47 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

Ok, that does it. If I ever have another dead battery in my car, I'm not calling Spiderwoman Doris to jump me off. After viewing that ghoulish scene in the warehouse, it is abundantly clear to me that she cannot tell the difference between the positive n!pple and the negative n!pple!!

On a lighter note, did anyone notice the sour look on Danno's face when the doctor/madam brought up the issue of abandonment to McG? First time Danno has made me laugh.....

Added: Wednesday 28 November 2012 10:39:37 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Whether you watch it or not will make absolutely no difference unless you have a ratings box connected to your TV.

Added: Wednesday 28 November 2012 09:15:27 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

I know I'm repeating what others have said, but the two most recent comments prompt me to do so.

We can criticize the new show until we're old and gray, but as long as we watch it, we help to boost the ratings, and that tells the makers that they have a good product. The best way to drive the message home is to stop watching. Nothing speaks more loudly than a good boycott.

Added: Wednesday 28 November 2012 09:09:22 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Here is another posting along the same lines from an IMDB discussion:

Why did Olivia "kill" the flight attendant? They had practically nothing on her but that she had a "brothel" running. Ok, that’s what, five years and a million dollar book deal? Linking her to the murders would have been very tricky.

Killing the flight assistant was out-of-character. That brought her life in prison for nothing. If she is so intelligent, she could have bought a blond wig and a different dress to the airport.

Added: Wednesday 28 November 2012 08:28:51 MST


Submitted by: Will
From: Washington, DC

I didn't think the main plot was that bad until all 5'-1" of Vanessa Marcil overpowered and killed a larger woman in an otherwise DESERTED AIRPORT BATHROOM!!!??

Added: Wednesday 28 November 2012 07:52:08 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I have access to some Google tools. They show which pages on my site are visited the most. The most popular ones are the main page, the FAQ and the page featuring McGarrett's Mercury.

As far as the most popular pages for the old show's seasons are concerned, they are in this order. Don't ask me to explain this!

Season 2
Season 1
Season 6
Season 5
Season 9
Season 3
Season 12
Season 4
Season 7
Season 10
Season 11
Season 8

Added: Tuesday 27 November 2012 22:25:04 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Thanks, Mike. I knew there had to be a way. Don't you just hate it when you capture an enemy spy, find you don't have the right tools to torture him, then have to go driving around looking for them? Takes away from the suspense of the moment. Honolulu must be an easy place to find unoccupied warehouses, where you can torture someone without being disturbed.

Added: Tuesday 27 November 2012 17:34:26 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Mangosta obviously came to her house and she overpowered him with her kung fu fighting ability. Since she didn't have an electroshock therapy machine in the basement, she went cruising around with him tied up in the trunk or whatever until she found a unused garage in downtown Honolulu which had all the required equipment to finish the job.

Added: Tuesday 27 November 2012 16:49:46 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

How did Mata Hari McGarrett even kidnap Mangosta? Was that explained?

Added: Tuesday 27 November 2012 16:27:29 MST


Submitted by: Ed
From: Honolulu

Now we know where the new McGarrett learned his interrogation techniques. From Dear Old Mom.

Added: Tuesday 27 November 2012 15:32:09 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"I mean, really, Mr. Mike, the second can of paint was in the trunk of his car, you know!!"

Forget the second can. Not needed. It's only about 20 paces from the Iolani Palace to the State Capitol Bldg. One can of paint would more than suffice. Not sure why this is causing such headache for some.

R.I.P Somebody is a 6-star episode! So go ahead and add 3 more stars, Mr. Mike. :)

Added: Tuesday 27 November 2012 15:17:41 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

"steve girl freind needs to go. she ruing the show" Won't happen; She is eye candy for us guys. She is an ancillary part of the ensemble cast. She is a necessary adjunct to the show providing intel via her position for Steve, and providing the occasional semi comedy relief of "yea, ya wanna favor again at least say hi howareya, first" thang. That scene at the Hilton, where she lunges with her Hawaii Luxury magazine and a Blue Hawaii drink, was refreshing to some of us. An oasis.

Added: Tuesday 27 November 2012 13:36:37 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

We have taxi drivers using gps here. They do not know their way around. (plus they honk when they are at a clients house. NEVER honk in Hawaii. Plus they don't speak english or local.) I am incredulous about that. Hire locals only, people! A gps only screams "I am a foreigner here and also I do not care to learn my way around here and to find the quickest way from point A to point B." (which gps never will give you.)

Added: Tuesday 27 November 2012 13:04:57 MST


Submitted by: jewelle deichmann
From: st. louis

i like the show. but steve girl freind needs to go. she ruing the show. i like the show when it was just the ones origaly on their. but now its all over the place. and i don't like her acting. please get ride of her. :!cool:

Added: Tuesday 27 November 2012 11:16:43 MST


Submitted by: Galvin
From: US

Hawaii five o only gained a 0.1 demo in the ratings yesterday even if ABC didn't air Castle. It is a season high for this season, but still a 2.3 demo for CBS is more like a season mess. And it got very lucky with a huge lead in, a 3.6 demo. No other CBS show gets that high lead in. But Hawaii 50 wasted the big lead in. Again.
Be ready to see this show moved to Sundays. Although IMO it should be moved to the trash can.

Added: Tuesday 27 November 2012 10:12:32 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: I dunno...I lost my GPS...

"Then haoles getting lost using the GPS. friggin malihini."

That's what stumped me too, Kimo. It's a blasted island 45 x 60 m....how do you get lost? For that matter, why do you even need a GPS if you LIVE on the island? Jeez, North Carolina is 20 times the land mass of Hawaii and I don't have a GPS (yes, I can afford one) and I NEVER get lost. My GPS is in my head. :!mad:

Jesus....

Added: Tuesday 27 November 2012 10:29:56 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

>Picked up by "modern parents". They let the younger kid live on that game computer, instead of interacting socially. What kinda parents.... fuggeddit.

Kid had issues, like he was autistic or something. Interacting socially won't be much help.

>Father (who amazingly spawned a computer hacker) sez; "Password?! He never said anything about a password!" duuuuh. jeZUSSS!

You could also say "Father was probably smart to have kids like that, how could he rely on GPS to find his (short) way back to town."

Added: Tuesday 27 November 2012 08:25:06 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

Well latest one was good. Concurrent stories. I will not go on about unrealistic, it's escapist fare. Then, went onto last week's ep with Taryn Manning. bugged me. Haole brat coming out of a mislabelled youth correctional thang. It is not in Kailua. But then that's teevee forya. Picked up by "modern parents". They let the younger kid live on that game computer, instead of interacting socially. What kinda parents.... fuggeddit. Then haoles getting lost using the GPS. friggin malihini.
Although some funny lines kept me distracted; "Live long and perspire", it was more distracting seeing the same two extras walk back and forth in the b.g. during the alley interview with ghost or toast or whoever...
It was badly done having that ol creepy wigwearing letch in the wheelchair stare at taryn at graveside. He shoulda been gazing at the view.
Father (who amazingly spawned a computer hacker) sez; "Password?! He never said anything about a password!" duuuuh. jeZUSSS!
Skull mask wearing bad dudes kidnap Kono in Nu'uanu. They use a cell phone jammer you can buy from 30 bux to a few hundred, depending on power you need. Bolo head uses it to unjam phones then calls Steveo outside to demand a transport for escape. They are seen suddenly driving diamond head on Lagoon drive, aWAY from the cul-de-sac. How da hell? what da hell?!

Added: Tuesday 27 November 2012 02:55:32 MST


Submitted by: Galvin
From: Lancaster

"Hawaii Five-0 and friends". That WAS funny.

I stopped watching the show time ago, but I still enjoy reading comments and checking the ratings.
Haha. The show was pretty bad the first 2 seasons and for what I read, it looks is even worse now. Weak acting and dumb plot lines.
You guys should had been watching NBC Revolution instead. CBS should learn from this show, interesting plot , strong lead actor and interesting characters,. It is not surprise it its putting Hawaii 50 to shame.

Added: Tuesday 27 November 2012 00:27:51 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

OK, I can't hold back. I am fed up with the Ma McGarrett character.

This whole back story of her being a CIA agent is ridiculous. And tonight's show was extremely offensive (SPOILERS COMING).

She is being pursued by some guy named Mangosta who she thought she blew up >>37 years ago<< (how old does this make her?!?). Mangosta manages to track her down, despite the efforts of Catherine and the now-disgraced Witness Protection agent Chris Channing played by Carlos Bernard. Ma manages to subdue Mangosta and drive him to a garage where she tortures him with jumper cables from a battery (or something). What the hell is this shit? Horrible, horrible, horrible. Ma McGarrett is turning into the Lori of the third season, seriously! She must die soon.

By the way, I am not the only one who feels like this. There is a major thread at IMDB entitled "I hate Mom McG!". Even posts on 50undercover.com, which normally is rabidly pro-new show as far as user comments are concerned, were having some misgivings about the mother recently.

It was nice to see Michelle Borth as Catherine actually working a bit harder in tonight's show, especially since she is now a featured cast member. But with her, Bernard (now a recurring character according to the CBS press release), Ma McGarrett, Max, etc., etc. all competing for time, maybe they should just rename the show "Hawaii Five-0 and Friends."

Added: Monday 26 November 2012 22:30:29 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Poor Vanessa Marcil. She got a bum steer on General Hospital, and now she's reduced to this. At least she got an all-expenses paid trip to Hawaii out of it.

Added: Monday 26 November 2012 22:10:12 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

I am sorry, but this show is just a piece of JUNK!

And next week's highlights look even junkier

Added: Monday 26 November 2012 22:05:17 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

I've stopped watching the new show (again!). I've tried to like it, but I just can't. It's more rewarding to follow my You Tube links to good music.

I like pianist Richard Clayderman. He plays really good arrangements of "Sounds of Silence" and "Fur Elise." I like his vast range of genre, from mid-century popular to classical. My favorite is a French song, "Claudine."

Added: Monday 26 November 2012 20:38:56 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The "main case" in tonight's show seemed sort of inspired by recent current events in Maine. AOL's McG in this episode reminded me (a bit) of JL's in "A Very Personal Matter," except the final results were different. Michelle Borth as Catherine got a lot more to do than usual, and Carlos Bernard reappeared. The end of the show demonstrated to me that the people making this show are very sick. There was also another gross body.

Added: Monday 26 November 2012 20:18:32 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Yes, Mike, there have been excellent remakes. Some of the best these days are remakes being made of "Doc Martin," another British program. Spain, France, and even Russia are making their own adaptations. The British producers like what they are seeing in those remakes. When they query American audiences about whether PBS should offer a US version of the show, however, the answer invariably is a resounding, "No! They'll ruin it!" I happen to agree. For the most part, Americans don't do justice to inspirational programs - and the Five-0 remake is a prime example. In their quest to add a spark of originality, they lose the qualities that made the original so endearing.

Re: the remake of "Hookman," I truly hope the remake team give it the attention to detail that it needs to be done successfully. If only in homage to Mr. Armes, I hope they dial back their usual comic-book pathos and make it respectful.

Added: Monday 26 November 2012 14:30:51 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

>There are plenty of remakes in the world of film and >television which have succeeded

If you say so. I don't spend much time with TV since most of it is garbage, but if you say so I will take your word because I don't have any statistics other than what I myself have seen and heard of.

I mostly watch documentaries, history/science programs, news, etc, and in these areas there are no remakes to bother with--just "updates."

I was thinking really of the "entertainment" value of a remake. Assuming people know the original and that it is a remake, what "fun" is it if you know the whole story and outcome? There is no "thrill" of anticipation, etc. The **only** thing you got was the question "was it better or worse? -- but nothing new and hardly anything else. So, if you really want "entertainment," that is thrill, excitement, anticipation, etc, you won't get it with a remake. I assume everyone on this forum has seen the original, or probably would see if before the remake, and so these comments would apply (that they will be familiar with the original before the remake), and thus really get nothing much from a remake except a chance to do comparison, if that is much fun at all and really more a waste of time.

But I seldom watch TV for "fun" itself and I am really careful with my precious time not to waste it, so I hardly know what "fun" with TV is anyway.

Added: Monday 26 November 2012 14:19:07 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Irvine

Reality is that remakes almost never make it .

The Hawaii 50 remake is getting awful low numbers and it should had been canceled in the first season , but the syndication deal CBS got from TNT is keeping it alive. I remember when the TNT deal was made public, Daniel D. Kim tweeted " Thanks, TNT" . I think the man was thanking them for being able to keep his job. Back then the show was already losing numbers in a weekly basics and some media sites were already saying the show was in danger. So I don't consider the Hawaii 50 remake made it.It is just a syndication business.

There is a difference between a remake of an old American show, as Hawaii 50 , Charlie's Angels...And a new American show based on a foreign successful series, as All in the Family. Making American versions of successful foreign shows is more popular each day.

Added: Monday 26 November 2012 14:09:19 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Why do you assume that because a TV show or movie is a "remake" and people know what the basic premise or plot is that they will not enjoy it or it won't match or surpass the original?

There are plenty of remakes in the world of film and television which have succeeded.

All in the Family was a remake of the British television comedy series Till Death Us Do Part, for example, and it was the most popular TV show in the US for six years in a row. Sanford and Son was also based on a UK TV show and it was very popular in the ratings as well.

There are dozens of TV and movie versions of Shakespeare's "Hamlet." Do you think that people don't know what the plot is about? (I am not suggesting that this is in the same league as the new or even the old Five-O, by the way.)

Added: Monday 26 November 2012 13:14:29 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

"FLASH NEWS! New Five-0 to remake "Hookman"!"

I did not understand thus comment at first, but then I undestood it to be a remake of some good episode from the original series.

What is there to be excited about??

1) Almost never does a remake, sequel, etc, match up to the quality of the original. I can't recall any that I have seen.

2) But most importantly, if you went to a movie to see a super good thriller (so you are told) and while in line for tickets you hear all those exiting who just saw it talking to each other and revealing the whole great plot line, so that you then knew thew whole story before you even bought the tickets, would you be that exited to see it?

So, assuming the plot of the new remake is the same as the plot of the old one, and you know the old one, what "entertainment value" does watching the remake have especialy since there is a good chance you actually will be disappointed because you know that remakes almost never match the quality of the orignal???

3) These writers of this new series are so dumb and idiotic, and perhaps they realize it, so they have to go grab (steal, borrow, whatever) a "good" plot elsewhere because they can't come up with anything good on their own. But chances are they will botch this up also in some obvious fashion unless they steal every line word for word and use the sets that were used in the original. It certainly does not give them any credablity or redeem their stupidity in any way. In fact, the fact that they do this just reinforces that they can't come up with stuff that is on equal par with the original. So it just reinforces that fact that this new series just can't go anywhere. And thus you "waste" an episode that will have no real entertainment value on you.

Isn't this a total waste of your time behind the TV set?

Added: Monday 26 November 2012 12:50:09 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

But Big H, are you asking me to apply "it's only a TV show" logic in this case? :D

This is a stock response in some places when I post my usual critiques that things about the new show are not logical. It drives me up the wall.

I have just resumed my anal-ysis of The Invaders (see http://www.mjq.net/invaders). The last show of this series is a real mess.

David Vincent and the rich industrialist Edgar Scoville are grilled by Andrew Hatcher, a member of the US Attorney General's staff, after a senator dies in a bombing (which happened just after DV and ES were visiting him). Hatcher's old girl friend Joan Seeley (Susan Oliver -- who never appeared on Five-O -- pity!!), who is a journalist, is visiting him and he tells her to stick around WHILE HE IS TALKING TO DV AND ES because she might be able to "get a story."

What is even worse, later on in the show, while Hatcher is attempting to get a grand jury to draw up indictments against DV and ES, Joan is IN THE GRAND JURY ROOM SITTING AT THE LAWYERS' TABLE! This is not illogical, it's totally stupid. Grand juries are isolated from the press, and, in fact, harsh penalties can be assessed if journalists report on their activities. Any of these incidents could probably get the charges against Scoville and Vincent thrown out.

Of course, in the new show, Five-0 has "unlimited ways and means" which is a fancy way of saying they can literally "get away with murder."

Incidentally, in this Invaders show, Hatcher's assistant is played by Stewart Moss ... who was one of the "peaceniks" in Not That Much Different, discussed here recently.

Added: Monday 26 November 2012 11:42:08 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

"I must have had a mental block about this film or something... Since I have seen the light, the rating of this film goes up to 4 stars."

Glad to hear it, Mr. Mike. It is truly deserving of the rating. Now if Vrinda, Ringfire and I can convince you to relinquish your hangup over the single can of paint in RIP, Somebody, how about giving that ep a 4-star too! :)

I mean, really, Mr. Mike, the second can of paint was in the trunk of his car, you know!!

Added: Monday 26 November 2012 11:25:44 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

"Strange that Larry Hagman was never in a Five-O (or was he?). Maybe Jack Lloyd couldn't handle that much MAN on the set!"

With Larry on the set and Jack already on it, there would have been too much man on the set!

But seriously, Larry was doing "I Dream of Jeannie" during the first two years of Five-O's run (1968-1970). Then he had an NBC TV series that ran for one year (1971-72) called "The Good Life," co-starring Donna Mills, then did TV movies for NBC, then another series called "Here We Go Again," also for NBC, then TV appearances in NBC and ABC shows. The only CBS show he did at the time was Barnaby Jones, in 1975. This suggests that Larry had a contract with NBC/Universal which kept him busy and unable to do any guest appearances on Hawaii Five-O even if he wanted.

Added: Monday 26 November 2012 11:16:50 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving and celebrated it with a viewing of "Turkey Shoot at Makapuu" - the quintessential Five-0 Thanksgiving episode! :)

No, really. Back in the late 90s when they used to show the reruns they actually showed this episode on Thanksgiving Day.

Added: Monday 26 November 2012 10:58:25 MST


Submitted by: otto
From: new york

Strange that Larry Hagman was never in a Five-O (or was he?). Maybe Jack Lloyd couldn't handle that much MAN on the set!

Added: Sunday 25 November 2012 17:11:55 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

"I had a good laugh at this comment in one of the TV forums at amazon.com:

'I love Hawaii Five-O with Jack Lloyd.'"

Not as funny as the Jack London comment I came across, but it comes close!

Added: Sunday 25 November 2012 09:50:15 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I had a good laugh at this comment in one of the TV forums at amazon.com:

"I love Hawaii Five-O with Jack Lloyd.”

Added: Sunday 25 November 2012 09:28:21 MST


Submitted by: Michael
From: Venice

The last couple of episodes have been a little better, mostly because of a Scott Caan centered episode and the return of Taryn Manning. The new guy playing Steve is a pain thing to watch, the less screen time he gets , the better IMO.
I don't watch the show live anymore. I will give it a few more episodes to decide if it is out of my dvr list. Some good midseasons shows will premiere on January as FOX The Following and NBC Hannibal,so unless this show gets any better, something that I have big doubts about, it will be a goner for us.
I always pictured Hawaii as a paradise. This shows makes Hawaii a dangerous place to visit. I don't think that is a good move.

Added: Saturday 24 November 2012 12:56:43 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

I just saw this on Yahoo!: Larry Hagman died of complications of cancer today, he was 81. RIP, Larry. :!cry:

Added: Friday 23 November 2012 21:49:49 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Isn't Amazon kind of jumping the gun by having a listing for the Season 3 Blu-Ray already?

http://amzn.to/TkULbb

Added: Friday 23 November 2012 13:33:03 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

"just wonder all you want. I could not care." Your subsequent words fully belie this sentiment.

Added: Thursday 22 November 2012 18:14:00 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I "fingered out" what the end of A Thousand Pardons, You're Dead is about. This is essentially what user eel2178 explained in response to a question of mine at IMDB ... DUH!! I must have had a mental block about this film or something... ;) Since I have seen the light, the rating of this film goes up to 4 stars.

At her apartment, McGarrett tells Yoko that he needs her help to catch Simms. She tells him to get lost, but just before he leaves, she changes her mind.

Subsequently, she meets with Simms at the bar, telling him she wants to "make a little deal." She goes on, "I know how it worked. Anna told me all about it."

When Simms tells her that he can't do the scam because he lost his "contact at city hall," Yoko says, "You don't need a contact ... and it's one less pocket to feed."

She shows Simms some paper, which is obviously a marriage license, saying she is "married, all nice and legal," but to a soldier who died in action. ('My hero husband went off and got himself killed and didn't leave me any insurance. Now for some girls that would be a terrible thing but for me, it's a real tragedy.') Five-O had this bogus license created in co-operation with the records bureau at City Hall and the Army who could provide the name of a soldier who was killed. All that Simms has to do is create the paperwork for the insurance claim.

Simms does the paperwork, and Yoko gets the money. She picks it up at the bank and arranges for Simms to come to her house to get it. He is supposed to take his share and give her her cut, but he tells her how his brother died for "trash like her" and forces Yoko to leave with him, intending to kill her like the other women.

Added: Thursday 22 November 2012 16:50:48 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

>wonder at what point do you self combust

You know, just wonder all you want. I could not care.

Why do you waste time analyzing me and just analyze the show/series, negative or positive, which is what the forum is about. This forum is not about second guessing other people on the forum, or judging their actions.

So just drop this nonsense, OK. Talk about the show, not about me or what I should do and should not do. That is not your business on the forum.

Added: Thursday 22 November 2012 15:42:39 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

It's the Makahiki season here, peeps. That means we gotta wish you all a Happy eliminate-as-many-live-turkeys-nationally-as-we-can Day!

Added: Thursday 22 November 2012 12:52:00 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

"Makes little sense. Uh, why would this make them happy? "
I knew that was coming.

"With each and every episode I gain greater and greater disdain for this series."
I knew that was coming. Which makes some of us wonder at what point do you self combust from so much accelerating hate for a series you feel you need to continually habitually view and then habitually spew.

Added: Thursday 22 November 2012 11:21:48 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

As I was watching Shelley Berman on Monday night, I kept asking, "Does he really look that old?' (I know the guy is 87, but I was reminded of Mae West in Myra Breckenridge.) And then I asked, "Is he doing a really good job acting the part of an old man," or "Is he just an old man?"

Another guest star, Melinda McGraw, who was the computer geek's mother, played the sister of Dana Scully on The X-Files. She was almost completely unrecognizable to me (but then, it has been almost 20 years). :!thinking:

Added: Wednesday 21 November 2012 18:19:01 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

>No. The advertizers are aware of this and they are happy
>for it.

Makes little sense. Uh, why would this make them happy? If I could rewatch it it mneans I recorded it. And if I recorded, no idiot is going to rewatch the comercials recorded.

But in the end you just frustrate the viewer to the point he won't watch the show at all, and so the advertisers just have to lose out in the end.

With each and every episode I gain greater and greater disdain for this series. This has to be the advetiser's nightmate. No trickery like this is going to save them and their sales.

Added: Wednesday 21 November 2012 13:51:33 MST


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

Shelley Berman was the best part of the last episode, especially when he was giving advice at the end to McGarrett's Sister - everything else was a complete disaster...:-(

Added: Wednesday 21 November 2012 13:43:10 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

This show just moves too fast at times. You got to rewatch it to catch all the goof-ups. Am I the only one who feels this way? No. The advertizers are aware of this and they are happy for it.

Added: Wednesday 21 November 2012 13:13:28 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

There is a lengthy thread at IMDB about Kono giving the kid her badge in the last episode, which is a major blunder on the part of the writers:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1600194/board/thread/207239762

Added: Wednesday 21 November 2012 08:23:54 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The BS that Kono spouts off about Zack's complicated password actually has some basis in reality:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSA_numbers#RSA-1024

However, the business with the periodic table does not add up.

There are 118 elements in the periodic table (I didn't check to see if that is the number specifically in the book, which is a real book, but I think it is, since it is a "21st century book"). If you take the number of each element, i.e., gold is 79 (a 2-digit number), nitrogen is 7 (a 1-digit number), etc. (as per the autistic brother rattling them off), this does not total up to 309 numbers when you consider all the digits.

1-9 = 9 numbers
10-99 = 180 numbers (90 x 2)
100-118 = 57 numbers (19 x 3)

TOTAL = 246 numbers

So in order to make this password, there must be duplication of some of the elements.

But, these large numbers are typically made up of semiprimes.

http://planetmath.org/Semiprime.html

Creating a large number in this random manner would probably be less secure than a true semiprime number, not that it would be easy to figure out, though one WWW page suggests that the ability to crack large numbers like this is likely to happen "between 2006 and 2010."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_size

Added: Wednesday 21 November 2012 08:17:16 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

This show just moves too fast at times. You got to rewatch it to catch all the goof-ups. Am I the only one who feels this way?

Last weekend I watched several cop shows on TV (Like CSI Miami, etc.) and EVERY One I could follow as it was being played out.

In the end I could not figure out what the 309 password, the whole plot of the episode! was for --it happened all too fast. You know how that feels!? You watch 45 minutes of Superman, Super Five-0, and then you end up not knowing what the heck the whole show was about!

That bit about MCGarret hiding under the van--C'mon. Just one bump in the road and you are seriously injured. What about hot exhaust pipes and stuff under there? This was all some super-man hero nonsense that you would have to be brain dead to believe it could happen that way (like snatching the van from the sky in previous episode).

You know in general I just don't buy the whole Kono character for a member of Five-0. Just not real, believable.

There are other things, but Mr Mike seems to have caught a lot, so no sense repeating the good work he did. (But I wonder how many times he had to rewatch it)

Added: Tuesday 20 November 2012 19:19:25 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Last night's was a particularly bad show, but the sequence of stunts at the end was ridiculous. See also http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/2010-log3.htm#7 (much of the following is taken from that link).

As the truck is driving down some road which has conveniently been cleared of all traffic, McGarrett suddenly emerges from under the back of the vehicle in an Indiana Jones-like move, being dragged along the street and pulling himself on to the back of the van. Then he places some explosive device on the van's back door (which makes a loud clanking noise), climbs on the roof of the van, walks across it (not exactly in a silent fashion), punches out the driver by reaching down from the top of the cab, opens the door, throws the driver to the street, climbs in as the truck swerves and slams the door shut and talks via radio in a loud voice to Danno and Chin who suddenly show up behind. And Winston (the bad guy) and the people inside the van don't hear any of this?

Chin shoots at the explosive device, which blows the door off the back of the van, and then starts shooting as two of Winston's men appear at the door, firing back at him. Isn't there a good chance that Chin's bullets will ricochet around the inside of the van, injuring Kono? Kono starts to engage in kung-fu moves with Winston inside the fan, but the two of them fall out on to the pavement. (At this point, I was yelling at the TV, saying "Holy crap, they are going to get run over by the car containing Chin and Danno," considering it was very close behind.) Presumably they would have had the wind knocked out of them (and fortunately Kono was on top of Winston when they hit the ground), but the two engage in some more martial arts moves, which puts Winston out of action. When it is all over, at least Kono looks very hot.

Oh yeah, there is more...

- After Zack gets picked up at the youth rehabilitation center, his family climbs into their SUV for the trip back to town, but their GPS -- which the bad guys are remotely controlling -- leads them to a middle-of-nowhere road. The car is soon forced off the road by the bad guys. The aerial view of the center shows that it is hardly miles out in the sticks, so either the father (who admittedly may be in a flap over picking up the kid) or the son (who is supposedly pretty smart) should have recognized much earlier that they were not on the road home. When the car runs into something solid like a tree, the airbags do not deploy, by the way.

- The stolen van which was used to kidnap Zack is picked up by the cops almost immediately and is in the HPD impound lot. Zack's body is discovered in the back of the van by Chin and Kono. No one bothered to look in the van prior to this, even though there is an evidence sticker slapped on the back window. (Yes, I know the impound guy suggests they were in a big rush or the van just got there or whatever.)

- If Liang is identified in the Five-0 Supercomputer as a "notorious cybercrminal" and obviously someone who is seriously wanted by the law, why wasn't he arrested when he visited Zack in prison?

- McGarrett and Danno decide to use computer geek Adam Charles to approach Laing, getting him to wear a wire and go to Liang's warehouse-like location on the pretext of getting a job. This whole scheme with the understandably very nervous Charles wearing a wire is stupid, especially considering he is a civilian who does not work for Five-0.

- When Kono arrives at Zack's parents' house, there is seemingly a wake going on for their son (at which there are not many people of Zack's age), though no one connected with producing the show bothers to set this up. (For example, a display saying "In memory of Zack" or something like that ... surely they could have taken this time from the 20 seconds of tourist shots at the beginning of the show.) Kono is snooping around Zack's room, as if he would just have left this password on a Post-It note on the wall, when Challenged Brother shows up. After Kono gets chummy with him in her "amazing ability to work with kids" way, he starts rattling off chemical elements. Kono figures there is some connection between this and the periodic table of same. She goes to a bookcase on the wall in Zack's room, pulls out a conveniently placed science book which has this exact table in it, opens the book to the exact pages containing the table and while the brother rattles off the elements, manages to jump around in the table to connect the dots (as if she knows where all the elements in the table are relative to each other). She gets the kid to go through his spiel again, not particularly slowly, and writes down a sequence of numbers connected with the elements. Of course, there are 309 numbers (the number mentioned earlier); Kono has time to count them all. (It really doesn't look like 309 numbers from what she has written down.)

- When the HPD cop shows up at the Slaters' house, the mother has serious facial bruises received earlier in the car accident. Why doesn't the cop think there is something unusual about this? The mother's body language, in the way she appears very nervous and glances away from the cop at the people who are being held hostage (which I think the cop cannot see) should also give him a clue that something is wrong.

- Bad guy Winston, who has a connection to South Africa, and thus is very, very bad, is identified in seconds via a print off the car he and his pals drove up in, even though the house is surrounded by SWAT team types, making it unlikely an evidence technician would want to go anywhere near their car, especially in light of the fact the bad guys had no hesitation about killing the cop by >his< car outside.

- Although cel phone and regular phone access has been disabled by the bad guys at the Slaters, Winston has some kind of satellite phone which he can use to get through to McGarrett almost immediately.

Added: Tuesday 20 November 2012 16:17:26 MST


Submitted by: Ron Bradham
From: Centralia, IL

We watch the show most of the time but this season appears to have changed some. I do have a hearing problem and this season the background noise is so high I have a very hard time hearing what they are saying. I have noticed this with a lot of programs this season and would like to suggest the producers cut back on the noise until the TV manufacturers come out with TVs that will allow you to adjust the volumes of dialog separately. Thank you.

Added: Tuesday 20 November 2012 14:10:24 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I know who Shelley Berman is. He guest starred on an episode of KNIGHT RIDER back in 1985. I also believe he had a bit of a renaissance in recent years on CURB YOUR ENTHUSIASM and appeared in a few movies.

Added: Tuesday 20 November 2012 11:36:55 MST


Submitted by: Lyn
From: USA

Deb, I tried to enjoy this show, but at some point the level of ridiculous plots were too much. And the acting was not getting better either. I enjoyed watching Scott and the guest starts ,that kept me watching for a while. Then NBC Revolution started and I liked it more, so now H50 is in my dvr to watch whenever I have free time. Maybe on Christmas when all shows are on repeats. Or maybe I will just delete all one day. The show has been a big disappointment. My sons have moved to Revolution too.

Added: Tuesday 20 November 2012 10:49:34 MST


Submitted by: Lyn
From: USA

I don't think numbers really went up Mr. Mike, read this,

""Last night’s Monday Night Football game (Bears/49ers) was simulcast on the CBS affiliate in San Francisco. As a result, the CBS numbers may be inflated and subject to more than typical adjustments in the finals"

So expect numbers to drop in the Final numbers.
CBS must be having a stroke. Those numbers are really really bad.
NBC Revolution is a better show than this remake.

Added: Tuesday 20 November 2012 10:22:03 MST


Submitted by: debdk
From: LA

I tried to watch last nights episode with as critical an eye as everyone seems to have on this forum and I couldn't do it. I love this show. It makes me laugh and has lots of action. I don't bother comparing it to the old show - they said before the first season it wasn't the same show! I am a fan and will continue to watch!

Added: Tuesday 20 November 2012 10:21:01 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Going by the numbers on that website, it means that 8.8 million people watched. It's up from earlier numbers, but not as high as numbers for CBS's other one-hour shows.

Added: Tuesday 20 November 2012 10:08:05 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

I know nothing about ratings and shares, so please set me straight if I'm off course. Didn't I read that 1.0 received between 8-share and 10-share during its run? This report says 2.0 received a 6-share. Is this correct?

Added: Tuesday 20 November 2012 09:56:04 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

>The Hawaiian scenery and culture are underutilized, and >their is too much flashiness on this show. It's become an >issue of more style than substance.

Right! Anyone who knows Hawaii knows this show does not look Hawaiian at all. Anyone who knows Hawaii would not care to watch this stuff.

This show is not about Hawaii.

Added: Tuesday 20 November 2012 09:53:51 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

What the heck are you talking about? The ratings for the show were actually UP:

http://bit.ly/UTegdM

Added: Tuesday 20 November 2012 09:42:48 MST


Submitted by: Joekido


From: Only 6.1 million people were watching last night. I guess it's time for CBS to realize that the style of the new show sucked ass and that Lenkov is not a good showrunner.

Added: Tuesday 20 November 2012 09:29:34 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Why is there a wrap-up party this weekend? Have they finished shooting all 24 shows for this season?

Added: Monday 19 November 2012 23:12:40 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Type-o: I meant "there" not "their."

Added: Monday 19 November 2012 23:04:56 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Thanks, Five-O,

I don't know where CBS got their ideas from, but it must have been the garbage can. The Hawaiian scenery and culture are underutilized, and their is too much flashiness on this show. It's become an issue of more style than substance.

You should try to get them to pay you for using your idea! Have fun at the wrap-up party. :)

Added: Monday 19 November 2012 21:58:47 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Tonight's Five-0 stars Shelley Berman, who beats Ed Asner in the "oldest actor to appear on the show" department. Asner is 83, Berman is 87. There may actually be people reading this who know who Shelley Berman is. Too bad Nehemiah Persoff has retired from acting, he still alive and kicking at age 93.

Also on tonight's show was another 24 alumnus, Carlo Rota (Morris O'Brian, Chloe's husband). He plays a VERY bad guy.

Added: Monday 19 November 2012 20:31:18 MST


Submitted by: Five-0
From: Honolulu Hi

I agree Vrinda... That is why Ed Bernero dropped out as he and CBS disagreed about the new 5-0 format... You could change the location to San Francisco and call the new 5-0 show "Starsky and Hutch"... A few scenes like the armored car pickup make me wonder if they "borrowed" a few of my story line ideas and just changed them around a little, but it is 5-0 so I guess I can live with that. The 5-0 season wrap up party is this sat night at Aloha tower. I'm sure I will be there either working or carusing with the party goers. Now that 666 Park ave was dropped by ABC, I hope an old face returns to the show. :D

Added: Monday 19 November 2012 19:44:02 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Thanks for that list, Five-0.

I found this interesting comment on the new show from a review at Amazon:

"I live in Hawaii. Family has been around here awhile. This show misses the entire beat of the islands, instead focusing on a Hollywoodization that trivializes the real issues and excitement inherent in the place and replaces them with worn out tropes aimed at hitting the tweener neener market. It's sad, because the place is actually far more interesting than the show implies."

He hit the name right on the head!

Added: Monday 19 November 2012 17:55:07 MST


Submitted by: Five-0
From: Honolulu Hi

In case you are wondering, here's some of the Hawaii Five-0 Filming Locations...
Most photos are found on the Hawaii Five-0 Undercover Facebook Page.

Season 2, Episode 1 "Ha’i'ole” [unbreakable]

The governor’s funeral is at National Memorial Cemetery of the Pacific (Punchbowl Cemetary).

McGarrett was incarcerated in Halawa Prison. Max and Chin drive up on the ridge behind the prison.

The grossest restroom in Honolulu is a men’s restroom of the CBS production headquarters aka the Advertiser Building (location tweeted by @EsmeInfanteNii).

The Searcher is docked at the Ko Olina Harbor.

Episode 22 "Ho’ohuli Na’au”

Rick Springfield is shooting the models at Three Tables, up on Oahu’s North Shore.

McGarrett goes jogging up Kamehame Ridge in Hawaii Kai, which overlooks Makapu’u Beach to the east and Hawaii Kai to the west.

Kono and Kawika are at Makapu’u Beach for the surfing event, right across from Sea Life Park (a marine life park).

Episode 18 "Loa Aloha” [the long goodbye]

The zipline was set up in Ka’a'awa Valley, on Kualoa Ranch property.

The dinner scene happened at the poolside bar at the Five-0′s favorite hotel, the Hilton.

Deputy Prosecutor Chan met Kono and Steve at the Federal Court House and Post Office (see below).

McG and Chin kick the door down at the Hawaiian King Condo Rentals in Waikiki. Check out the BTS clip.

DP Chan’s son’s car blows up at Kewalo Harbor, near Fisherman’s Wharf restaurant on Ala Moana Boulevard. The Gogi Korean Taco Truck is in the background.

Hobbietat store is on 10th Avenue in Kaimuki.

The Hilton Lagoon is where Rachel confronts Danny about Matt.

The bomber is apprehended at Manoa Elementary School in Manoa, identified as Piikoi Middle School. Piikoi High School was referenced in Episode 3, "Malama Ka Aina”.

Rachel’s house is in the Kuliouou neighborhood (see below).

Episode 17 "Powa Maka Moana” [pirate]

McG and Danno are pushing the Mercury Marquis up Round Top Drive, and stop at the Tantalus look out.

The Makani is a luxury catamaran that launches out of Kewalo Harbor.

The scene marked as "Kapiolani Park” actually shows the arch of the War Memorial, a monument for Hawaii veterans of World War I. It’s part of the Waikiki Natatorium, an abandoned outdoor swimming pool.

McG and Danny find Kamekona in front of the Hale Koa hotel, a military hotel.

The pawn store is on Liliha Street, not far from Liliha Bakery, it’s also the same location of the Hoffs Drawlar Funeral Parlor from "Lost”. The shootout on the trolley also happens on Liliha Street.

The college kids are partying at Tiki’s Bar and Grill at the Aston Waikiki.

The money exchange happens at a warehouse at the Sand Island military reservation.

Episode 16 "E Malama” [to protect]

The opening sequence of gorgeous green valleys is listed as "Kahuku” on Oahu’s north shore, but is actually Kualoa Ranch’s Ka’a'awa Valley on windward Oahu.

Rachel and Grace’s carjacking is near the intersection of Hawaii Kai Drive and Kalanianaole Highway, at the parking lot of Mauna Lua Beach Park.

HPD’s office is the foyer of the old Honolulu advertiser building at 605 Kapiolani Blvd. in Honolulu (listed in "Mana’o” below).

The Federal court house is the old Post Office Building in downtown Honolulu, right next to the Aliiolani Hale (aka the Five-0 headquarters).

Post Office, Downtown Honolulu, Hawaii Five-0, Photo: Undercover Special Agent Nanci

While Rachel and Stan’s house has always been listed as being in Kahala, it really is in Kuliouou, further to the east, and not far from the Bayer Estate (McGarrett residence).

Rachel's house, Photo: Officer808

Danno roughs up the commish at the Original Pancake House in Honolulu. Someone’s grandma decorated it 30 years ago and they are trying to keep the style alive. Rock on OPH!

Episode 15 "Kai E’e” [tidal wave]

The episode begins with Kono giving Danno a surf lesson at Ala Moana Beach Park. Incidentally they’re very close to the "Waiola Shave Ice” stand where Kono ate shave ice with the little girl in "Ho’apono”.

There were a couple of shots of Costco in Iwilei of being with their shopping wagons, and also of the gas station.

Danno picks his daughter up at the Sacred Hearts Academy in Kaimuki.

The exterior shots of the Pacific Tsunami Warning Center in Ewa Beach were actually filmed at the Pacific Disaster Center/Civil Defense headquarters at Fort Ruger in the center of Diamond Head crater.

Danno and McG track the hacker to the Waikiki Yachi Club (a private club) located at the Waikiki end of Ala Moana Beach Park.

The sandbags were lined up at the Territorial Office Building in downtown Honolulu, which stands in for the exterior HPD headquarters shot.

Territorial Office Building, Hawaii Five-0, "Kai E'e"

Episode 14 "He Kane Hewa’ Ole” [an innocent man]

The episode begins with a car chase that ends disastrously for the driver at the intersection of Kapolei Parkway and Fort Barrette Road.

Kapolei Crash, Hawaii Five-0, "He Kane Hewa' Ole"

@3DHawaii thinks the Pacific Aviation Museum on Ford Island filled in as the HPD Auto Garage, I’m not so sure…

Hawaii Medical Center West (in Ewa Beach) is where Chin and Kono interviewed Dr. Malia.

Episode 13 "Ke Kinohi” [the beginning]

The ninja’s assault on McG’s house happens at the indoor studio at 605 Kapiolani.

The gorgeous double rainbow is in Ka’a'awa Valley, home of Kualoa Ranch, on the windward side of the island. There’s a lot of great outdoor activities here…horseback riding, ATV tours… definitely a must see if you’re on Oahu.

Mary Ann’s "rental” is actually a beachfront cottage on Kualoa Ranch property. Chinaman’s Hat in the back is the dead giveaway. The episode pins the locale as Kaimuki…which is a neighborhood far inland in Honolulu.

Mamo’s Rentals is at Queen’s Beach, in an area known as "Walls” because of the concrete wall and pier.

The Pauahi Tower restaurant is actually the Ko’olau Ballrooms and Conference Center clubhouse in beautiful Kaneohe. It was known as the Ko’olau Country Club until recent ownership change. McG makes Hiro’s arrest on one of the greens at the end of the episode.

Episode 12 "Hana ‘A’a Makehewa [desperate measures]

The episode begins with a bomb strapped Chin Ho kneeling in front of the Territorial Office Building on King Street in downtown Honolulu (adjacent to the King Kamehameha statue).

The "Ikalani” resort is one of the resorts at Ko Olina on the west shore of Oahu, though I’m not sure which one… Despite what Kono said, they are *not* private beaches. In Hawaii, all beaches are public.

Hesse’s safe house is a penthouse in the Keola La’i condominium. The condo is immediately behind CBS Eye Productions headquarters and filming studio at 605 Kapiolani Ave. Many shots have been shot on or around the Keola La’i.

Bar 35 on 35 N. Hotel Street is a pretty cool lounge for downtown’s fashionable crowd. It’s *not* a hostess bar, so don’t get your hopes up guys!

Danno’s interior apartment shot is at the film studio at 605 Kapiolani.

Episode 11 Palekaiko [paradise]

McG and Chin Ho are at beautiful Kualoa Beach Park on windward Oahu.

McG shows Chin the Champ box at the Bayer Estate in Aina Haina (or it could be the indoor studio at 605 Kapiolani).

The Hawaii Medical Center in Liliha is the location for hospital scenes.

The Pagoda Hotel where the private investigator stayed is actually in the Ala Moana area, off of Keeaumoku St.

The lobby of the Kahala Hotel served as the interior main deck shot. If you look closely in the background, you can see it’s actually a huge painted wall! The interior cabin shots are also of the Kahala Hotel.

The backroads of Kauai were filmed at Barber’s Point Naval Station.

The Five-0 team chase the serial killer up the Old Pali Road and eventually corner him at the Pali Lookout that overlooks Kaneohe. Presumably, the Pali was a stand-in for the Waimea Canyon on Kauai.

Episode 10 – Hao Kanaka [iron man]

The armored truck heist occurs at the Neil Blaisdell Center, between the parking structure and the exhibition hall. The Center is Hawaii’s venue for concerts and exhibitions.

The Hawaii Five-0 team find the abandoned armored car at Pier 19 (not 20), which once housed the Hawaii Superferry.

The Hawaii Medical Center in the Liliha area of Honolulu is the hospital where the armored truck guard is hospitalized.

Gordon Smith (rapper Nas) was interrogated at the Ala Moana Beach Park’s west entrance, near the Kewalo Boat Harbor.

Magic Island, courtesy Forest and Kim Starr

The start of the triathalon is at the beach at Magic Island. The end of the swim and start of the bike race is also on Magic Island.

The take down of the thieves happen mostly around the Keola La`i condominium and the old Honolulu Advertiser building (Five-0 filming headquarters). But by some super human ability, the last thief and McGarrett find themselves a few miles away, back at Ala Moana Beach Park (next to Magic Island)!

Episode 9 – Po`ipu [to attack, overwhelm]

Resortquest Hawaii/Aston Waikiki

The episode opened up at the Aston Waikiki Hotel. My first impression was that the bar scene was at Tiki’s Bar and Grill, but the view was way too high. The actual location is the Coconut Club on an upper lanai. Room "2127″ was the room the scene was filmed in. The hotel is styled in the "hip hawaiian” decor.

McG’s house is the Bayer Estate in Aina Haina. "2727 Piikoi” is his address that he calls HPD to…putting that address in google maps takes you approximately to…Makiki Cemetery near Punchbowl National Cemetery.

Added: Monday 19 November 2012 15:40:08 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

"Yeah, Vrinda. That's what worries me. LOL"

At least I stepped in and averted disaster. :D

Added: Monday 19 November 2012 14:18:19 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

666 PARK AVE cancelled by ABC = terrible show
perhaps terry o quinn can come back to 5-0?

Added: Monday 19 November 2012 12:42:04 MST


Submitted by: Steve's Girl
From: Germany

Thank you, Otto, for creating this fantastic music. And thank you, Mike, for sharing it with us.

Added: Monday 19 November 2012 11:13:07 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Yeah, Vrinda. That's what worries me. LOL

Added: Monday 19 November 2012 10:07:24 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

They were after I replaced what was originally there! ;) ;) ;)

Added: Sunday 18 November 2012 21:09:49 MST


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: A non-tropical island

Thanks Mr. Mike for sharing those files with the group. They're probably of interest only to people with as warped a mind as mine, but such people MUST exist on this sight!!! Can the tunes be accessed by going to the home page?

Added: Sunday 18 November 2012 21:06:16 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Vrinda, are you sure those things were water pistols? :D :D

Added: Sunday 18 November 2012 20:22:42 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Virginia,

No need to be afraid. Mike and I duel using water pistols. The worse you'll get is soaked, but we'll wait till everyone is out of the way before we commence firing!

The English language goes through a lot of changes. Definitions of words are changed around as the dictionary publishers see fit. Rooftop is used to signify the top of an artificial form like a building, and I think the reporter who wrote the article used it because it was more attention-grabbing.

I saw Steve and the rest of the guys handle evidence using handkerchiefs or picking up loose items with a pencil, like articles of clothing. In some episodes, Steve would sift through a desk using a pencil to move the contents around.

With Kam Fong having been an HPD cop and a representative from the HPD as a technical adviser, the mistakes should have been fixed prior to filming. I can't see how the writers could omit the simple detail of the cops handling the evidence using gloves, or the director not putting it in if the writer did not.

Added: Sunday 18 November 2012 17:23:41 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

The first link is fantastic! Sorry to say, the second link took me to Amazon to buy 2.0, S1. No chance, bruddah! LOL [This is fixed. - MQ]

Added: Sunday 18 November 2012 17:20:23 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Otto Mannix sent me some interesting music that he created. She says "I was having fun messing with some choice tidbits from Five-O soundtracks, the Guarnerius Caper and one other (I don't remember which.) I put 'em in a basic editing application and created repeats, key changes, even a strange harmony at one point. I added no other sounds at all, just sampled from the episodes and messed around."

You can hear them here:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/music/Five-OFantasia.mp3
http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/music/GuarneriusMedley.mp3

Added: Sunday 18 November 2012 16:59:46 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Vrinda, you and Mike are going at it like McGarrett and Wo Fat at the end of "Woe to Wo." LOL

I'm probably stupid for doing this, but I'll throw in my two cents worth:

A rooftop is the top of the roof of a building, whether that roof is flat or steeply pitched. A hilltop is the apex of the hill. A mountaintop is the apex of a mountain. To the best of my knowledge, the terms are not interchangeable.

Five-0 was notorious for breaking the rules for handling evidence. Probably due to audience expectations at the time, since it was considered noteworthy when Che Fong showed us how to lift prints in "The Late John Louisiana" and other episodes and when McGarrett asked for a letter case to preserve fingerprints on a piece of correspondence in several episodes. Five-0 was one of the first (if not the first) show to instruct its viewers in such techniques, but it did not follow the techniques consistently.

Okay. I'm creeping outta here, now. Wait until I'm gone before you draw your weapons, please.

Added: Sunday 18 November 2012 16:49:55 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

>I did see the scene where Chin hands the gun to Steve without gloves, and I will address it myself. He tells Steve it was already dusted for fingerprints and none were found. Still, it would have been customary to wear gloves.

I'm not talking about this scene, which has to do with the rifle that shot Keoki, the cop with the funeral detail at the beginning of the show. I'm talking about the scene at the beginning of the second act where some evidence technician (presumably from HPD) is shown dusting the rifle used to shoot Ookala from the >rooftop<. He holds the rifle by the end and then hands it to a cop; neither of them are wearing gloves. But, as I mentioned a few days ago, McGarrett has already picked up this rifle using the "hanky" technique (not that this would have interfered with any fingerprints, since Stoner doesn't have hands - DUH!).

Added: Sunday 18 November 2012 16:38:56 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Mike, I was going to add something to that original post before but, given the commenting limit until the next login session, I couldn't. I wanted to add that reporters do write misleading headlines. This is true for real life and isn't just a device used in fiction only. "Rooftop sniper" is a more commonly-used term than "hilltop sniper," since these types of shootings literally occur more often from a rooftop as opposed to a hilltop.

However, in terms of writing and attention-grabbing headlines, using the former term as their headline rather than the latter will generate more attention and make people curious enough to want to read the article. "Hilltop sniper" will ignite curiosity, as it is a different term than what people are used to seeing, but reporters will use words that the readers are more familiar with and will recognize instantly. They want to be certain they've gotten the reader's attention. Reporters, advertisers, and anyone else in the media take into account the psychology of the readers and what will get their attention. They'll be more likely to use the terms that come up more often in the media than not to ensure readership.

This isn't about what definition the readers know, but about what terms they recognize. I thought there might have been a reason for the wording pertaining to the definition of "roof," and it isn't far-fetched. The definition fits, even if it is not as well-known as the more commonly used definition. It's not a definition I knew from before, either, but looked up for the sake of writing my previous response. That it fit with the scenario made it look like a possibility. The reporter most likely used the term because it is attention-grabbing, not for etymological reasons. It may appear as an obvious continuity error but, given the way in which reporters write which I just explained, it's not limited to being a plot error, but a plot device that can be explained and understood, given you notice how reporters in real life create misleading headlines.

I did see the scene where Chin hands the gun to Steve without gloves, and I will address it myself. He tells Steve it was already dusted for fingerprints and none were found. Still, it would have been customary to wear gloves. Given there were no fingerprints at all, I can see why they all handled it with their bare hands. I'm noting that manner in which both men - Chin and Steve - handle it, using their palms and getting as much a grip on it as possible. It’s a visual emphasis, and too obvious an action they are committing for it to be another factual error. It's said there are no fingerprints at all, so they think it is safe to handle the gun. It goes against what we know is the basic rule of handling evidence - wear gloves – and is risky unless they are 100% certain there no fingerprints. Given that Chin says that there are no fingerprints, he has to literally mean it, not actually mean that there might be or might not be. There is no other way to interpret that line.

Fingerprints are collected by dusting them with a special powder, which are lifted with a special tape. The powders investigators use stick to the oil or other liquid left behind on the print, effectively making it more solid and well-defined. Photographs of these prints are taken afterwards. They take pictures of the murder weapon and any other evidence lying around even if there are no prints anywhere (note the photographers leaving the scene).

The rifle doesn’t look like any solution was placed on it to begin with, but since there were no fingerprints found on it, the resolution might not turn up as noticeably as if there were prints. In the storyline, there are no prints at all on the gun and it looks like there is no chemical on it, so the prop department either did not feel the need to make the gun look like it had the chemicals, given the details of the storyline, or didn’t know to do it. Given all this, the police officers will know if prints turn up or not and - if there are none at all - they won’t be there at all, so Chin and Steve can think it is safe to handle the rifle without gloves.

Again, the process of lifting prints takes time and is difficult, not done in minutes, though we don't see the process in it's entirety on TV. The process would have to be done thoroughly and the conclusion exact, so Chin knows without a doubt that there are no fingerprints at all on the gun. It's not a process where the results will still be open for interpretation or subjective.

If you want me to nitpick, though these things don't impair the storyline either - but make things either easier (for Stoner) and harder (for Five-O) - there is the coincidence of how there was an empty office across the street from that jewelers' from which Stoner could shoot Steve, how not one local in that neighborhood knew who Stoner was - when he could not possibly spend all his time alone in that apartment and never come out, and why no one spoke to Stoner's parole officer, nor is he ever mentioned.

Added: Sunday 18 November 2012 13:45:21 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

>Another definition of "roof” is the highest point, or summit. In this case, Stoner was at the top of the highest point of the hill. "Rooftop” means the outer surface of a roof. Going by that second definition of "roof,” "rooftop,” could mean the outer surface of the highest point on the hill, so the word fits. It doesn’t have to literally mean the top of a roof of a building.

If you asked 100 people what is meant by "rooftop," I would suggest the vast majority would say "the top of a roof of a building" ... like the scene above the place where Ookala is shot to death. (I have also checked this scene with the shadow, and you are correct on that.) By the way, I am surprised you didn't notice that the evidence technician who is dusting the rifle left on the rooftop is holding the rifle by its tip as he brushes in the middle of the barrel. He is not wearing gloves or anything. When he is finished, he hands it to a policeman who also has ungloved hands. To save you the trouble of replying to this, I will do it for you: "Since he already dusted the end of the barrel, it was not necessary to worry about that part of the rifle, because there were no fingerprints there." Still, sloppy police work!

Added: Sunday 18 November 2012 12:25:19 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Mike, I did read your synopsis many times before I saw this episode, though I didn’t mention it earlier, but, those reasons aside, they are miniscule and do not impair the storyline to a great degree.

-"After Stoner kills the policeman Keoki at the beginning of the show, a newspaper headline from the Honolulu Advertiser identifies him as a "roofstop sniper," and McGarrett asks "how did the rifle end up on a rooftop." But Stoner was actually on top of a hill.”

Another definition of "roof” is the highest point, or summit. In this case, Stoner was at the top of the highest point of the hill. "Rooftop” means the outer surface of a roof. Going by that second definition of "roof,” "rooftop,” could mean the outer surface of the highest point on the hill, so the word fits. It doesn’t have to literally mean the top of a roof of a building.

- "The crosshairs of Stoner's rifle seem to be everywhere but on the target prior to the shooting.”

Stoner had to get into position, and wait for the target to come into view. Keoki couldn’t just appear in front of him, but had to be riding by at the right moment. Whether or not Stoner knew exactly when Keoki would come into view is not clear, but just because he’s got the crosshairs on everything, it doesn’t mean he’s aiming to shoot at those, or won’t get Keoki.

For visual identification purposes, they could have shown a shot of Keoki from the view of the target, but I think this was a ploy of the directors to keep the audience guessing as to what Stoner was going to do. Was he going to shoot at one of the cars, the hearse, or was his intent to shoot someone or to ruin the funeral, and did he have some gripe with the deceased? We don’t know what Stoner’s real motives are, at that time, so the setup with all those shots is meant to make the audience wonder.

- "When McGarrett figures out that Stoner is behind the first two cop killings, he puts in an immediate call to future victim Larry Thompson. Central Dispatch says Thompson is "off duty," but when Danno appears a minute later, he knows that Thompson is already dead. It strikes me odd that Central Dispatch would not have known this.”

Danno might have just found and not called Central Dispatch, or someone else was supposed to notify them. Though, according to Danno, Thompson was killed sometime that morning, which he must have been told by the coroner at the scene. Though Thompson was dead that long, his body was just discovered. Danno must have been called to the scene at that moment and then went to tell Steve. It is a matter of timing, and though we don’t know how much time elapses from the moment Danno is told about Thompson’s death to the time he goes to the scene of Stoner’s car being brought up out of the water to tell Steve, it had to be in a few minutes, but not half an hour or more.

There might have been a protocol to follow in giving the information to Central Dispatch as well, given Steve’s order not to have officer’s names told over the radio at the beginning, or that the officers t the scene of Thompson’s murder were being cautious and not wanting the news to get out so quickly.

It's not something succinct, but it's something that can happen given that Danno finds out and then goes to tell Steve himself. Central Dispatch might just not have been notified. Again, it isn't an error in continuity or a glaring plot error that cannot be explained and hinders the story. It's something that just requires some speculation and allowance for time.

- The Mustang pulled from the water is a completely different car from the one used in the chase. Stoner drives a 1968 model, and the harbor car is from 1964 or 1965.

That was a matter of the directors not wanting to destroy the newer car. I noticed the difference in color, but I wouldn’t have guessed the model year. They didn’t want to waste the newer model car, so they had to use the older one. That was something they couldn’t avoid. It doesn’t spoil the outcome of the story.

- When Stoner returns to his fleabag apartment after ditching his car in the drink, he has serious injuries and bleeding on his face. But at the end of the show, when we see him climbing up the ladder to the top of the building, there is no sign of these injuries. (This scene is interesting, inasmuch as Jay J. Armes was doing his own stunts.)

If you watch the show again, a lot of time elapses between the time Stoner goes back to his apartment and when Steve and Danno show up there. Steve and Danno are in different outfits in that scene than the remaining ones, indicating at least one day had to have gone by. All this doesn’t happen over the course of one day.

Steve goes to meet with Doc to talk about the painter found dead in the empty room from where Stoner shot at Steve and Danno. Steve and Danno present their information on the case to the Governor, and tell him about Stoner, surmise where he might be hiding, and Steve says that they’re going to "hit the low-rent districts” to find him, then Ben, Chin, Steve and Danno are shown questioning people in these areas, and getting head-shakes from everyone. Then Stoner is shown picking up the gun on which he engraved Steve’s name and watching Steve and Danno as they go around questioning shopkeepers in that neighborhood. His face is clean and the blood has been washed away. There was enough time for him to clean up.

The injuries – in the few seconds in which they appear – look to be cuts, but not gashes. There will be some scarring, which could have been shown, but Stoner wouldn’t have the same exact injuries as shown when he went back to his apartment after the chase.

- Shortly after McGarrett and Danno come out the door on the rooftop above the place where Ookala was killed, you can see a crew member's shadow on Danno, probably the camera man.

I went back and saw that scene twice. That is Jack’s shadow – not a cameraman. Watch how the shadow moves in relation to how Jack moves. Jack’s profile, with the top tuft of hair, can be seen on James for a split-second as Jack is starting to make a move to the other side of the rooftop.

- When Stoner engraves Ookala's name on the metal plate, he spells it "OoKALA." Ditto for McGARRETT later. The number of letters in his stamping kit is 27, one more than the normal alphabet, not enough to include upper and lower case characters.

The jeweler to whom Steve and Danno speak confirms that he made those plates, but they were sold blank, so Stoner had to have put that lettering on it. There is no indication that he does engraving as a hobby or profession, so if he had to create the lettering, he could have created just enough plates to ensure that he had as many letters needed to spell those names for those name tags, rather than have a set for every letter of the alphabet in both cases.

Added: Sunday 18 November 2012 11:52:53 MST


Submitted by: Grace
From: Los Cerritos

Vrinda,
DDK won a Screen Guild actor award in 2006 and several noms in other awards, all because of Lost, that proves again that an actor is as popular as the character he is playing in that moment.I loved Lost.

I don't see how L. Moonves cannot be regreting his casting decision after the show mediocre results, they invested a lot in this show, it should had been bigger than NCIS .After what you said about Alex's CBS contract I was checking around and I found this in wikipedia "However, the producers initially had reservations casting the actor,", so probably the casting was cbs decision and not the producers which I think is a big mistake. Producers/writers should be the ones chosing the actors and not the networks, and I thought it was always that way. Interesting.At least CBS is back in the game with Person of Interest.

Added: Sunday 18 November 2012 11:49:42 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Vrinda, while I agree that Hookman is one of the best episodes (it is my #2 favorite show), it is far from perfect (and yes, I know you did not say it was "perfect"). For example:

- After Stoner kills the policeman Keoki at the beginning of the show, a newspaper headline from the Honolulu Advertiser identifies him as a "roofstop sniper," and McGarrett asks "how did the rifle end up on a rooftop." But Stoner was actually on top of a hill.
- The crosshairs of Stoner's rifle seem to be everywhere but on the target prior to the shooting.
- When McGarrett figures out that Stoner is behind the first two cop killings, he puts in an immediate call to future victim Larry Thompson. Central Dispatch says Thompson is "off duty," but when Danno appears a minute later, he knows that Thompson is already dead. It strikes me odd that Central Dispatch would not have known this.
- The Mustang pulled from the water is a completely different car from the one used in the chase. Stoner drives a 1968 model, and the harbor car is from 1964 or 1965.
- When Stoner returns to his fleabag apartment after ditching his car in the drink, he has serious injuries and bleeding on his face. But at the end of the show, when we see him climbing up the ladder to the top of the building, there is no sign of these injuries. (This scene is interesting, inasmuch as Jay J. Armes was doing his own stunts.)
- Shortly after McGarrett and Danno come out the door on the rooftop above the place where Ookala was killed, you can see a crew member's shadow on Danno, probably the camera man.
- When Stoner engraves Ookala's name on the metal plate, he spells it "OoKALA." Ditto for McGARRETT later. The number of letters in his stamping kit is 27, one more than the normal alphabet, not enough to include upper and lower case characters.

Added: Sunday 18 November 2012 03:13:19 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Hi, Grace,

Yes, Person of Interest certainly is. The producers took a unique idea and made it work. Hawaii Five-O, though working with ideas created by someone else, did not take full advantage of their source material, and every advantage of what is wrong with TV shows today - the uneven story writing, emphasis on characters' personal lives and feelings rather than their work and the case of the week, multiple story arcs, many of which were left undeveloped because there was not even screentime to develop them, so they ended up becoming letdowns when they were solved, underusing guest stars, and overusing regular stars, weak casting choices for the leads, and bad cinematography, direction, and music scores.

If this was all in an effort to bring in ratings and generate dollars for the sponsors, they did not accomplish that goal as much as they would like. GM and Microsoft are still sticking to the show, to get a return on their investment, but I doubt sales of their products skyrocketed as a result of this show.

Alex O. might have brought in viewers but, like you say, most of them are in the 40-60 crowd. There are young women who like him, but they are not in the age group that has the buying power of the older viewers. Plus, teenage girls and women in their twenties change favorite actors as soon as they see a good-looking actor come across their screen. They'll forget the previous one they saw and follow the new one. Most of the younger actors of today don't generate a fan base that will stay loyal years later, unlike in the fifties, sixties, and seventies.

I've read that only Daniel Dae Kim won a People's Choice Award, if at all. When I read comments about him from those female fans, all I see are comments about his looks, and very little on his acting.

I wonder if Leslie Moonves is still happy with his decision. I'm sure he must have second thoughts along the way.

I just saw Hookman today for the first time, and it lived up to my expectations. It was brilliantly written and filmed, without any scene or line of dialogue out of place. With very little lines and most of his scenes involving action, Jay. J. Armes created a sense of terror and kept the viewer at the edge of their seat. When he nearly ran over McGarrett outside that engraver's shop, I thought Steve was going to wind up in intensive care. Luckily, he jumped out of the way with split seconds to spare.

Steve's look of anguish when he was told that Ookala died was heart-wrenching, as when Danno told him that Thompson was killed. Though Steve's, "Oh, my God," was understated, it was just Steve trying not get emotional because he didn't want to break down at that moment, when he knew he was going to be the next to die. Jack showed Steve McGarrett has the ability to keep his emotions in check in a crisis that involves him personally, hold onto his sanity under pressure, maintain control of his team in a crisis, and still show grief and sadness. That's not an easy order for an actor to fulfill, but he did, and kept us hooked (no pun intended!).

There was good teamwork from Steve, Danno, and Ben at the end. It was only fitting that Danno fire the final shot to kill Stoner, since Danny is an expert marksman. Steve put himself out there by driving away to divert Stoner's attention, with his driver's side window open.

I don't know what Lenkov will do with the remake of that episode. It's going to take more than Peter Weller as Stoner to make it work. If they emphasize Stoner more than the Five-O team, it will be watchable. Jay J. Armes will be hard to beat, though.

Added: Saturday 17 November 2012 22:30:52 MST


Submitted by: Grace
From: Los Cerritos

Hi,

Vrinda,I think Person of Interest is the best drama CBS has right now. Jim C. would had been a good STM because he has the strength and charisma needed to lead a show, not like Alex O,that is such a monotone actor.I didn't know about that CBS contract, but if L. Moonves would had taken 10 min of his busy life to check sites online, he would had seen that the fans of Alex are all over 50-60 years old, so I don't know how they were expecting him to bring the young viewers. The People's Choice Awards nominees, voted by viewers, have just been released,and Alex O. didn't make it, or Hawaii 50.

Rick, Jack Lord will always be STM. And I was never against the remake,but the show is making Jack Lord look even better.

Added: Saturday 17 November 2012 17:27:39 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

I had posted this some time ago but since it's come up as a current topic again... you can't reboot this guy - here's the real deal...

bit.ly/w4nYCn

Added: Friday 16 November 2012 23:13:30 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Hi, Grace,

I agree about Person of Interest. There is something new going on each week. It's never the same thing, though I wish they would also use the background music less. It's not as loud as on Five-O, but it's there in every scene.

Jim Caviezel could have been McGarrett. I wonder if the producers had ever considered him. I read that Alex got the role because he had contract obligation to do 3 shows. He did 2, so they gave him SM as the third, and Leslie Moonves, the president and CEO of CBS, wanted a younger actor for the role to get younger viewers to watch. I don't know if any other actors were considered for the part but, if they were Jim would have been perfect. Alex was not a good choice, but CBS has to live with him for the duration of his contract.

I also noticed the difference in ratings. If this keeps up, CBS will have no need to keep the remake going once they get the coveted 88 episodes for syndication.

Added: Friday 16 November 2012 17:55:54 MST


Submitted by: Michael T
From: Palatine, IL

Makes sense only in Hollywood. Shift to 3rd would have come in at around 70 MPH, and that's if the driver was really flogging the car. Top speed would have been around 105 mph for that model and vintage Mustang.

Added: Friday 16 November 2012 17:46:27 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

Best McG line from this past Monday's ep....."Well, subtlety doesn't work with you, a hammer is always best, I just hope you got something with a nice plungy neckline to show off that Chewbacca chest of yours.." :D :D

Which reminds me....I've dated a few ladies with a Chewbacca......oh, never mind. :)

Added: Friday 16 November 2012 16:44:45 MST


Submitted by: Grace
From: Los Cerritos

Vrinda,
I watched Person of Interest.Amazing episode.
This show is getting better each week , not like the remake.It is a very good show, with brains. That is why I am so upset with cbs. They are the best with cop procedurals, but the Hawaii remake is awful.Of course Person of Interest has Jim Caviezel as the lead mean, a talented man, and I think that is the biggest problem with the remake, Alex O.is not a good actor, he should had played a secondary character, never STM.
And numbers talk, yesterday Person of Interest got 14.5 million viewers while Hawaii got 7.5 million. :!thinking:

Added: Friday 16 November 2012 11:29:51 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Did anyone catch "Person of Interest" tonight? The storyline was similar to "And a Time to Die."

Added: Thursday 15 November 2012 21:18:33 MST


Submitted by: mr Hiram
From: NYC

maybe weller can put on the metal suit again and....

oh wait :!thinking:

Added: Thursday 15 November 2012 16:14:16 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Definitely looking forward to staring into Peter Weller's cold blue eyes yet again!! Bring it on!!

Added: Thursday 15 November 2012 14:25:38 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

i assume the famous chase in HOOKMAN will not be redone. that chase was sorta redone in that 5-0/NCISLA crossover. mr mike showed the comparisons posts back. perhaps do the car chase somewhere else in hawaii; or perhaps by foot?

Added: Thursday 15 November 2012 14:16:13 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Hookman question: When Stoner is shown driving as he is being pursued by McGarrett, there is a closeup of the speedometer which shows he is going 90 miles an hour. But around this time, he shifts gears! Does this make sense?

Added: Thursday 15 November 2012 13:58:50 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

WOW! Very very good episode Monday--grade A! best i have seen--great tension between McG and Danno with the bomb. aww, McG :!cry: when hugging Danno. Kinda like that emotional moment at the end of YOUNG ASSASSINS. now, HOOKMAN remake, if the new McG is hunting Hookman in the apt bldg , let's hope for silence and no shitty music scores! the old episode McG in Hook's apt, the phone rings loudly, still gives me the jumps as is the gunfire as McG checks the drawers. "Stoner! STONERRR!"

Added: Thursday 15 November 2012 12:57:55 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

"Is this a bad pun or what?"
It's a what. The pun is probably evident to the haole mind, moreso than to locals. Have fun with it, as unintentional as it was.

Added: Thursday 15 November 2012 11:20:17 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Big H,

The press releases said it would air sometime in early 2013, but no specific date was given. When the date is known, they'll publish it.

Added: Thursday 15 November 2012 11:19:15 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

Ummm....when will the "Hookman" remake air? Has that been made known?

I can almost hear the score comparisons now. PLenkov should save himself some headache and just dub Mort Steven's masterpiece (one of many) over onto the remake. Hey, it's timeless....

Added: Thursday 15 November 2012 10:56:47 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Is this a bad pun or what?

Lead sentence from review of last episode from 50undercover.com:

http://bit.ly/SP7dNr

I love a good back story episode, and this one had it in spades.

:D

Added: Thursday 15 November 2012 09:46:03 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

From the sublime (Hookman) to the ridiculous:

bit.ly/QeRjQY

Added: Wednesday 14 November 2012 20:30:43 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

The casting would have been meaningless with the way the character was written, and Lennard's Japanese accent was all over the place. I think the way the character was written was the main problem people had, and they also included the ethnicity of the actor along with it since it was obvious.

The character did a disservice to the way mental patients are portrayed, as well. They could have given his character some dignity and made him more sympathetic. He thought it was still 1941, yet he wasn't at all confused that the world looked different from what he remembered. He was thinking of his original goal to set off a bomb somewhere, making him less likable.

Maybe he was so far gone he still believed time didn't pass since he was institutionalized, but I can't believe he wouldn't be the least bit taken aback by the outside world and overwhelmed by it.

Added: Wednesday 14 November 2012 16:30:21 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

See? I don't have a problem with Lenard dressed up to look like a Japanese dude. Not at all. Case in point - I loved Ricardo Montalban played the Japanese Tokura. It's all in the acting. My problem was Lenard's incessant ranting. Either this is how the character was written (in which case I feel sorry for Lenard to be stuck playing the character in such a crappy manner) or Lenard had no clue how to play a disillusioned Japanese ninja and just went all over the place - giving us a truly wretched performance!!

Like I said - I have no problem with Lenard being white. I find white guys playing Orientals amusing - David Opatoshu I enjoyed both in "Face of the Dragon" and "Mutual Concern". It's Lenard's twitching and ranting and raving that was atrocious!! :!mad:

Added: Wednesday 14 November 2012 13:43:30 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

I think the main problem people had with To Hell With Babe Ruth was the Mark Lennard playing the ex-Japanese soldier. The storyline might have been followable if not for the viewers constantly seeing a white man dressed up to look Japanese. Was Yuki Shimoda not available? There were also Chinese, Korean, and mixed-Asian actors who could have played the role, if not someone who was Japanese.

Added: Wednesday 14 November 2012 13:23:28 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"I think we can give old Nick a pass on "To Hell w/ Babe Ruth," since he directed what I think to be the best episode from season 2."

Oh definitely. He directed 3 classics and 1 turkey. That's okay in my book. Especially since the latter had a crappy script to begin with and a terrible actor playing the adversary. Or rather an actor playing a terribly written character. I don't see how another director could have done better with this inept script. I dunno - maybe unless they got some superb character actor who could turn crap into gold. Don't think Mark Lenard was capable of this.

Added: Wednesday 14 November 2012 13:15:29 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

HOOKMAN ?
Peter Weller---ooh

he directed and guest starred in a very good episode of the great new show LONGMIRE this year. so ya know...I am looking forward to this remake!

Added: Wednesday 14 November 2012 12:43:09 MST


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

I would say that the re-boot of HOOKMAN on the new show is pretty cool - I'm looking forward to that one...:)

Added: Wednesday 14 November 2012 11:56:10 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

Ringfire....thanks for the tidbit on Nicholas Colasanto directing "A 1000 Pardons," I had not caught that before. I think we can give old Nick a pass on "To Hell w/ Babe Ruth," since he directed what I think to be the best episode from season 2. Guardino's performance is emmy-worthy..."my brother Andy died for trash like you, BECAUSE of trash like you!" Geez, how intense! And that pool table scene with McG>>>CLASSIC 5-0!! And of course we can't forget Barb Luna!!! O-M-G....

I watched the Halloween ep last night (yep, behind again due to work and travel) and I was actually enjoying that ep....a decent plot, sort of "Criminal Mind-ish" in style and plot, and no carguments/beachguments that stand out. Then towards the end, McG and Danno track the perp to his grammy's house, kick in the door, and she's sitting there with a 1000-yd stare on her face, and a trail of blood on the floor that Stevie Wonder could follow. And I swear to gosh, McG says "Where's Seth, where did he take Lucas?"

Jesus ....idiot, can't you follow the blood trail?!?!?! :!mad:

Aside from that KAABONG moment, not a bad eppy. It wasn't a 4-star "1000 Pardons," but not bad.

Added: Wednesday 14 November 2012 11:14:46 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

PLEASE READ THIS CAREFULLY.

I have made some changes to the way messages are submitted to the forum.

As a result of this, it is very strongly recommended that when you make a posting, you save it in a word processor like Word, Notepad, Write or whatever before you hit the "submit" button to send your message to the forum. Click above on the link which says "Click here before your first post" if you don't know what I am talking about.

If you have any questions about all this, you can contact me through the e-mail link at the bottom of the page. However, do NOT contact me if you have lost your message because you didn't save it first as per the above.
;)

Added: Wednesday 14 November 2012 08:59:54 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

> Hawai'i is only American at Pearl?

Well, if I were a terrorist, I would not be that interested in Hawaii. Too many non-American foreigners, which would upset countries other than America and thus sort of distract from the goal of the attack, harder to escape from, etc. Much deeper impact, and probably easier to do harm is some solidly American mainland city. Hawaii is just a poor choice--much better, many more other better and easier choices available

I think this is pretty obvious.

Again, pretty bad episode when you think of it.

Added: Wednesday 14 November 2012 07:44:26 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

John, you really need to do your research. You think Hawai'i is only American at Pearl? Get a grip, man! Better yet, spend some time there, away from Pearl - and Kane'ohe and Bellows and Shafter and Hickam and Schofield and (back in the day) Dillingham. Japan strafed all those military installations, not just Pearl. They also strafed Honolulu, flying so low that it seemed the planes might be caught in the telephone lines. Private citizens were killed, as well as servicemen.

Many reference sources are available, but a piece of historical fiction that paints an excellent picture of what it was like in Kailua, O'ahu, on 7 December 1941, read Bob Hogue's "Sands of Lanikai" (Honolulu: Island Heritage Publishing, 2009). Senator Hogue (He was a two-term state senator) is commissioner of the Pacific West (sports) Conference and a weekly columnist for "MidWeek" magazine. Formerly, he was sports director at KHON-TV, a position our own Joe Moore held before he became news anchor. Senator Hogue's grandparents settled in Hawai'i from Scotland, so he grew up there. The book is very well researched and includes several real-life characters, most notably former-Governor John Burns in his HPD detective days. Not only will you learn a lot, you will enjoy this book immensely.

Another historical novel (although it extends beyond Hawai'i to include the Pacific Rim) is Kiana Davenport's "Song of the Exile" (New York: Ballantine, 1999). It gives a good view of what the Japanese attack was like in the Kalihi area. It delves into a number of Hawaiian cultural issues. Very well written.

Added: Wednesday 14 November 2012 04:34:43 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

You know... I was just thinking about "Just Lucky, I Guess" - brilliant episode with a superb performance by Albert Paulsen as the sleazy Charley Bombay. His best performance by far! Also John Randolph was great as the scared Marty Sloane. Loved McG's "preaching" to Marty in this one. Also loved Bombay's arrogance and disdain towards the scared Marty. "This joker, this Mr. Punk here". Or something like that.

Anyway I've been watching reruns of CHEERS and have always enjoyed Nicholas Colasanto as Coach. He of course directed 4 episodes of FIVE-0 - all 4 in the 2nd season. One of them unfortunately is the stinker "To Hell with Babe Ruth". But the other 3 are classic vintage FIVE-0 - "A Thousand Pardons - You're Dead", "Just Lucky, I Guess", and "Most Likely to Murder". Any one of these 3 is a perfect showcase to a newbie of the brilliance of FIVE-0. Gotta give credit to Colasanto for directing those 3 masterpieces.

Added: Tuesday 13 November 2012 20:56:09 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

>It's fiction!!!

Who doesn't know that? In fact virtually everything on TV that is not news or doucmenatry, etc. is fiction. So what?

What we discuss is the quality of that fiction. Isn't that what this whole forum is about -- discussing the quality. Mr Mike and his 5 star rating system -- what is that? What do these ratings mean?--QUALITY of fiction, right. The farther from reality, the lower the star

Or do you just want to write it all off as "fiction," and therefore no reason to even discuss anything or analyze anything -- because it is "fiction??" Then might as well shut down this forum and web site -- no need to discuss anything -- "it is "fiction" So why discuss anything?

>it doesn't reflect badly on the state or it's people

It reflects badly on the writers and actors more than anything.

But mass media DOES have a more powerful effect and can change people's attitudes and opinions, even if it is fiction. That's what makes TV dangerous and powerful. I mean, what is propoganda by Hitler, Stalin--all fiction. But because it is fiction does not mean it cannot sway people in positive or negative ways. You seem to be denying the power fo mass media, of television, fiction or not.

You are ovbious ignorant of the tremendous change in society values and norms over the 5-6 decades of television. Criminal children activity skrocketed some 80,000% within the **first** decade when TV became of age in the 50's.

"It fiction" is actually a powerful force that can move and changee people, and certainly should not be be discounted as to having effects on people who watch that "fiction"

Fiction on television (especially sit-coms) often times reflects the currect cultural and societal feelings and views on things. Even if it is fiction it can convey a lot of truth in subtle ways. If this wasn't the case there really would be no reason to in schools to dicsuss novels, read literature, analyze books. Much of which is "fiction"

The "it's fiction" excuse is a simplsitic, naive way of looking at things

Added: Tuesday 13 November 2012 19:42:01 MST


Submitted by: Debd
From: LA

Like others who have replied obviously feel the same way, it's time for John Stockton to get a life. You spend a lot of time on this forum ripping a show you think is so terrible - quit watching!! The show, characters, plots, etc., are not real!!! Even though they shoot the series in Hawaii, it doesn't reflect badly on the state or it's people. It's fiction!!!

Added: Tuesday 13 November 2012 17:56:21 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Otto - "Just Lucky, I Guess."

Added: Tuesday 13 November 2012 17:49:19 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Oh ok. I've never seen Colman's name anywhere on FIVE-0 nor FIVE-0 listed on his IMDB page. Guess he went uncredited.

Added: Tuesday 13 November 2012 16:55:24 MST


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: NYC

Finally got back online after Hurricane Sandy. We had it easy compared to many affected areas. So i just have one thing to say to you fine Five-O aficionados: "You wanna dance all night, but when it comes time to pay the piper--when it comes time to PAY THE PIPER, you fall back on your solid citizens' act!" (which episode?)

Added: Tuesday 13 November 2012 15:26:56 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Henry Coleman worked with Leonard Freeman in LA. When Leonard got scripts, he would read them to Henry to get his feedback.

In Part 4 of the interview here, he talks about his role on Hawaii Five-O:

http://bit.ly/TDfmDy

Added: Tuesday 13 November 2012 13:34:51 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

>Hawaii is such a beautiful place.But this show is the >epitome of awfulness.

EXACTLY EXACTLY how I feel! You take the most beautiful place in the world, and smear it with violence and crap, and stupid talk, iditoic policing, non-believable relationships and episodes, blown up police HQs, helicopter trips to N Korea, Wo Fat utter nonsense, too fast paced action, all of which in no way even reflects anything at all of true life and reality in Hawaii or even what humans are capable of doing as humans (And this is not just my opinion--other thinkng people have said so all along).

Yeah, sure, throw in a few bars of IZ, or Brothers Cazimero, or Hapa, music, or 100 Hawaiian reenactment warriors, a sunset or scene of surfing to make it "Hawaiian" -- c'mon, let's not be fooled this way. This is just trickery.

Like I said in earlier posts, shows like this (even the original series) actually **destroy** the good of Hawaii and the "aloha" spirit.

So sad.

Added: Tuesday 13 November 2012 13:23:37 MST


Submitted by: Grace
From: Los Cerritos

Hawaii is such a beautiful place.But this show is the epitome of awfulness.The show is getting progessively worse,we turned it off after 20 min yesterday.Probably won't watch it again.
The characters are just down right annoying.Bad acting and terrible lines.
Just checked the ratings, the show lost the time slot, again. CBS usually gets those low numbers on reruns, never with original episodes.
CBS should put this show out of its misery. ASAP.

Added: Tuesday 13 November 2012 12:57:38 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

What is this I keep reading about LOVE BOAT and FIVE-0 producer Henry Colman dying? I've never seen this man's name anywhere near FIVE-0 - old or new.

http://bbc.in/TVlADh

Added: Tuesday 13 November 2012 12:50:19 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

>Hey, John! You might want to take a look at the news. The >issue is secession

Yes I heard of this.

No one in the continental US is going to leave the Union. The benefits of being part of the US are just too great, and it is too impractical. Something will be worked out before it ever gets to any serious point. Places like Alaska ands Hawaii are to only true possiblities. But they WILL never leave because of oil and Pearl Harbor. Alaska and Hawaii are the 2 greatest gems of the Union.

This movement is like that ridiclous movement against Wall street (forget what it is called) -- will go nowhere

(What has this got to with Hawaii Five-0?

>If you don't love your country, kindly move to one that suits you better

Uh, what is this all about? Have you lost it or what? You think because I am disguted with Hawaii Five-0, or because I say the truth that Hawaii is the most "UnAMerican" state, that I do not love the US? Please read carefully and think some more, OK? I am afraid watching Hawaii Five 0 has is starting to kill your thinking processes -- :) (a real danger though!)

Added: Tuesday 13 November 2012 10:51:20 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

>John, when you said Hawaii is "the most UN-American place >in the United State [sic]," this was an extremely poor >choice of words

Please don't forget context OK. I was talking about American "symbols", American places of symbolic importance (having noted that Pearl Harbor is one, but perhaps the ONLY one in Hawaii).

Apart from Pearl Harbor, anything that is a "symbol" there is that related to Hawaii, Asia, the Pacific Rim, etc. When you go to Hawaii, and if you stay away from Pearl Harbor, Hawaii is the most Un_American place in the States in terms of history and culture. Even more so than the American Indian culture because Hawaii is a really mixed bag of Russian, Chinese, Japaneses, American, British, French -- a real mixed bag.

And the only reason Pearl Harbor is what it is is because America basically invaded and (illegally) took over Hawaii better and faster than anyone else did. I mean good for Hawaii in one sense -- who knows what Hawaii would have been if under Stalin/Communist rule or imperial Japenese control.

Again I was talking about overall culture, not Pearl Harbor. But give it enough time, and anything of true Hawaiian nature/culture will be totally overun, and the place will be as "American" as New York and apple pie! (unless you stay secluded in fancy hotel).

I do not know of any other state in the US where you feel so "not" in the US as in the state of Hawaii. Of course, a lot of this is pushed and promoted as such for the sake if tourism dollars, but in terms of history and culture, Hawaii has to be the most "unAmerican" state because it is primarily Pacific-Asian. Strong non-American culture and areas exists in the South with long standing Mexican/Spanish influnences (heck I think California now is a a majority hispanic), but that is still "western" and more familiar to us than a Pacific-orientated culture.

So, I kind of think I got a valid point. My words may not have expressed it totally as I hoped.

Added: Tuesday 13 November 2012 10:26:48 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Hey, John! You might want to take a look at the news. The issue is secession, and 34 states (up from 22 earlier today) want to secede from the Union. The movement is gaining momentum online, although the number of signers is quite small, at present. As strange as it might seem, Pennsylvania and New Jersey are among them. Don't know who else is. Haven't seen a complete list. I do know this: Hawai'i isn't the only state that wants to secede. The reason behind the current movement is the result of the presidential election, but that's not the only reason. The deeper reason is the people don't feel they are being represented fairly, and there's a lot of truth to that. Frankly, I have no plans to secede. As many issues as I have with Washington, I have love for these United States. My family has lived here for well over 200 years.

As to the issue of veterans, what did you do in the war? Or did you hide out in college or (pardon me, Mike) in Canada? If you love your country, you go when Uncle Sam calls you. Our men and women who served deserve far better than they are receiving. They have health issues, emotional issues, financial issues, housing issues, burial issues... We owe them much more than a nasty glance and a growled insult. After all, they helped to ensure our freedom to glance and growl.

If you don't love your country, kindly move to one that suits you better. Most of us would like to keep these 50 states under the same flag. Of course, Washington is going to have to wake up and start providing for our individual needs, as well as our common defense, if it expects us to do so. Otherwise, we could sadly see state by state bidding Washington a not-so-fond "Aloha!"

Added: Tuesday 13 November 2012 10:15:22 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

> the continuing obsession with gross body parts (the bomb victim)

One of the things that really bothers me about this series is the violence depicted, like body parts, decapitation, even the NJ scene last night. This is not a sign of mature writing but clearly an attempt to grab attention with gore and shock. But that usualy depicts weak writing, like they dont have the skill to write interesting stuff and so the try other "tricks" to get at ratings.

Unlike Blue Bloods where the violence is muted, the conversations and relationships interesting and thoughtful and even ordinary street cop scenes are made interesting -- all very believable even if not a single bit is true story

I listen to Hawaii news a lot and the amount of violence depicted as going on in Hawaii just does not happen in Hawaii as seen in this series, which is another reason I just can't believe this stuff.

Last night -- would skilled cops looking for someone and then they find him walking down the street TOWARDS THEM, suddenly get out of their cars, yell across the street at the guy, thus giving him more distance to run away from? Instead you wait till he gets closer, where you got a better chance to grab him. Of course this nonsense is done so there can be a big foot race, leading to a messy dramatic shootout (in public) again.

Gime me a break! The police work done in this series is so **idiotic.** I am not a cop and don't think like one, but I can see this and figure this out. Others probably see much more and better than I do.

You have to be brain dead to think this is good police/cop entertainment!

Added: Tuesday 13 November 2012 09:48:43 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

John, when you said Hawaii is "the most UN-American place in the United State [sic]," this was an extremely poor choice of words, especially considering we have just celebrated Veterans' Day (Remembrance Day in Canada).

There were plenty of people from Hawaii who were killed during the Pearl Harbor attack, both military and non-military, as well as those who signed up to fight in the US Armed Forces after the attack and were killed while serving in Europe and elsewhere. I'm sure these people and their surviving relatives would not appreciate your suggestion that they were "UN-American."

Added: Tuesday 13 November 2012 09:45:30 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

>But you are the only one being addressed here. And there
>is a reason

And I could not care a bit about that. This forum is for discussion, my ideas are thoughts are not ridiculous. Hey, I know how to say good things when there are good things to be said (like my liking for Blue Bloods), so I know how to be positive.

But I am not gong to say anything that I do not think honstly and openly, and if that is negativity, then shame on the show's wrtiters and actors. Improve the show!

Added: Tuesday 13 November 2012 07:51:41 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

"my negativity is no different from others who have posted here."

"I am not the only one that thinks this way."

But you are the only one being addressed here. And there is a reason.

Added: Tuesday 13 November 2012 03:28:05 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

>There are several examples on the old show where >revolutionaries and such are doing things in Hawaii>

Let's not forget that this is all fiction. In real world, where have the targets of attacks of terorism occured or almost happened? Mostly New York, Washington, Chicago. I have not heard of any serious threat aimed at Hawaii. There might be a reason for that regardless of fiction on TV.

Concerning Pearl Harbor attack--that was the might of entire empire launched in the closest direction they could launch an attack from, and to start a real, conventional war. They were not going to fly to New York! And besides their aim was purely military--to destroy the American Pacific Fleet.

It is just my opinion, but a simpleton terrorist (cell) won't be too interestd in working in one of the biggest military areas to try to strike a blow. Better off in more civiliian areas, less guns around, better chance to get away.

Anyway, that's why I did not buy this episode hardly at all

Added: Tuesday 13 November 2012 00:26:34 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

>for example, the Pearl Harbor Arizona Memorial.

Yes, this would be really all there would be in Hawaii to hit at in terms of American symbols, culture, etc.

But don't forget that that whole area is HUGE miltary area. Any simpleton terroist ain't going to want to operate from the ground in an area with such a miltary presence--your chances of success are reduced.

Did you think even in the edpisode how did such a car with a **huge** bomb got pass "security" -- the top military brass is there and you just park a rental car nearby without some check of some kind of cars parking close by -- this makes no sense. Sorry. NO SENSE!

Apart from Pearl Harbor area, there is nothing "American" in Hawaii, and Pearl Harbor area just too big and massive a military area to hit from the ground. Better try elsewhere.

Added: Tuesday 13 November 2012 00:01:02 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

No, the terrorist angle in Hawaii does make sense. There are plenty of sacred cow things in Hawaii that terrorists could mess with other than infrastructure type buildings and so forth -- for example, the Pearl Harbor Arizona Memorial. Think about it -- the two "big events" in American history other than JFK's assassination that people remember big time are 9/11 and Pearl Harbor. By attacking and damaging stuff in Hawaii where people are not expecting such a move, far away from New York City, where security forces and so forth are (presumably) hyper-vigilant, terrorists would be giving America a slap in the face where they were already slapped once. There are several examples on the old show where revolutionaries and such are doing things in Hawaii where you might ask the same question -- why are they there as opposed to the mainland?

Added: Monday 12 November 2012 23:45:00 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

I could not really buy the terrorist angle of this episode. Mainly because when terrorist want to hurt America, they hit at the symbolic places of America mainland--New York, Time Square, Wall Street--really significant American places. Hawaii, though, is not that significant in terms of "Americana" -- in fact it is the most UN-American place in the United State. Yes, there is Pearl Harbor, but that is about all there is. The plot here was to hit at a gathering of American military leadership, and I guess that is plausable.

Also, another reason why Hawaii is not a good place for terrorists --it is an island. Much easier to lock up and harder to escape from, so any terrotist would be picking the very wrong/worst place to hit at, unless he wanted to be captured. But then he could do that anywhere --just walk into a police station in New York.

You could kill many tourists, but MANY are from Asia, so here too the logic does not fit for a terrorist wanting to kill the most Americans as possible. NOT HAWAII! That's the last place you want to go!

Hawaii just does not for for the kind of plot that was portrayed in this episode. Again, the writers wanted action, violence, but did not think this through very carefully.

I just can't find anything good here

Added: Monday 12 November 2012 23:31:25 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

>Stop watching the new show. You will feel MUCH better.

Well, I certainly am under no compulsion to watch it when it is on TV since you can catch it on the web. I enjoy seeng Hawaii. If it wasn't for that I would not bother.

But since I am watching it, I thought I would share my opinions. I dont watch much TV but what I mostly watch is selected REALLY good, informative stuff, educational, which I find hard to find fault with and always get some benefit from.

But this show, as a cop show, just fails in so many ways. But I am not the only one that thinks this way.

Added: Monday 12 November 2012 22:31:30 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

SERIOUS SPOILERS HERE:

Actually, John, it was more than a quarter of the show in New Jersey. Approximately 28.9% by my calculations.

There were some things about the show I didn't like, aside from the issue of no backup that you mentioned:
- the continuing obsession with gross body parts (the bomb victim)
- Catherine gets information for McGarrett far too fast
- exposition from Chin Ho, this time about bombs in Iraq and Afghanistan
- McGarrett cuts open a panel in the bomb maker's house, didn't he think it might have been booby-trapped?
- Ditto for the car parked at the military base ceremony
(There are examples parallel to the last two in the old show in Rest in Peace, Somebody where McGarrett opens his desk drawer and has Danno open the trunk of his car.)
- When the bomb is being disarmed at the ceremony, why don't McGarrett and Danno get the hell out of the area, considering the bomb in the trunk looks like the "Mother of All Bombs"?
- Inasmuch as the show is seriously strapped for time, being only 44 minutes long, why did they have a story structure which wasted 16 seconds and 38 seconds respectively on repeating what we had already seen in New Jersey (Danno and Grace arrive at the warehouse and are caught) and Honolulu (the chase through the streets after the terrorist)?

Things I did like:
- Story with Danno and Gracie was sweet
- Michelle Borth in a bikini - YES!
- "Contemporary relevance" with 9/11, Pakistani terrorists, etc.
- Danno ranting about what a fucked up world this is in which to bring up kids

Added: Monday 12 November 2012 22:27:32 MST


Submitted by: Oscar van Hemel
From: Seattle, WA

John, you are really being a big b*tch about the new show.

You sound like a guy who would go to a crappy Chinese restaurant in your town and then complain bitterly than this was not as good as the most expensive fine dining establishment.

Your constant complaining about the new show is starting to suggest a masochistic streak.

Stop watching the new show. You will feel MUCH better.

Added: Monday 12 November 2012 21:46:42 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

There was a line in tonight's show which made me laugh, because it totally reminded me of the old McGarrett when he told Kono "Run facial recognition through every security camera on the island."

I thought tonight's show was very good, definitely the best one of the season so far (this is not saying a lot, considering all the other shows up to this point have been mediocre).

Added: Monday 12 November 2012 21:29:36 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

I am not going to spend too much time thinking about this last episode but it was just rather disappointing. 1) The whole NJ flashback was just not needed. Many people watch this series for its Hawaii connection. I don't want to waste 1/4 of it with NJ, NY, Miamii or any other place. I guess they tried to make some emotional connection ("borrowed time") between Grace and Danno which had to then go back to NJ somehow 2) THIS SHOW MOVES TOO FAST, WAY TOO FAST. One scene to the other in a flash, no time to catch a breath. They could have cut the NJ scene and filled it in with Hawaii stuff to slow the pace of the program around 3) In the begining how in the world did they figure out the schematic of the bomb when the bomb totally blown apart, blowing up the guy, the house--made no sense. 4) The other bomb at the ceremony -- I guess it was to be triggered from nearby cell phone, so defusing the bomb could have meant being blown up any second. Danno and Steve seem to be close by watching it being defused, too close it looked like. 5) For the NJ scene, would Danno and Grace gone to bust a buy with no backup at all? When you see Five-0 gang go in to break something up, they are all 4 or more, dressed in gear, powerful guns etc. 6) All this happened in one day? 3 bombs and then a dance in the evening??

I am sure there is more, but this series is not worth too much deep thought. It moves so fast you got to record it and rewatch it several times because it moves TOO FAST. In one sense that is good, because I can barely remember it, and will soon totally forget I even ever saw it. That's how little impact this series has on me. Just easy to forget.

Added: Monday 12 November 2012 21:28:47 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Jay J. Armes has got a Facebook page:

http://on.fb.me/ZygBd1

Added: Monday 12 November 2012 18:36:15 MST


Submitted by: AJ
From: NY

Speaking of notable guest stars on the original series, today would have been John Ritter's 64th Birthday. :!cake:

Added: Monday 12 November 2012 18:19:14 MST


Submitted by: AJ
From: NY

Jay J. Armes :!cool:, the original "Hookman", is still alive (age 80).

I wonder if he's going to be approached to make a cameo appearance?

Added: Monday 12 November 2012 18:01:22 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Peter Weller as Hookman, eh? Well, now I'm gonna need to see it. Just for Weller! But forget RoboCop. For me Weller was one of the best villains on 24. Season 5 - Christopher Henderson. "Badass" doesn't even begin to describe that cat! That's the character I will forever associate him with. Just like Gregory Itzin as Charles Logan and Jon Voight as Jonas Hodges.

Added: Monday 12 November 2012 17:56:30 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I decided to rewatch Hookman, and already found some trivia that I didn't notice before:

When Stoner engraves Ookala's name on the metal plate, he spells it "OoKALA." The number of letters in his stamping kit is 27, one more than the normal alphabet, not enough to include upper and lower case characters.

Shortly after McGarrett and Danno come out the door on the rooftop above the place where Ookala was killed, you can see a crew member's shadow on Danno, probably the camera man.

By the way, shortly after this scene, when McGarrett picks up the rifle used to shoot Ookala from the rooftop, he uses a handkerchief to hold it, as if this hanky will not interfere with the fingerprints. But won't this just smear the fingerprints? I have seen this technique used on shows other than Five-O.

Added: Monday 12 November 2012 17:55:48 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

""We at Hawaii Five-0 hold the original series in reverence, and to be able to go to their well of incredible storytelling is such an honor,” says Peter Lenkov, Executive Producer of the current incarnation of Hawaii Five-0."

He's trying not to bite the hand that feeds him, so he talks diplomatically, but if they held the original in any reverence, they'd be able to match the storytelling.

In a strange side note, someone posted the information from the second link on a message board, and someone wanted to know what the original Hookman was like, so another poster posted a YouTube video of the episode promo and the first opening sequence.

Two people said it was interesting and thanked the poster, then one woman wrote that "That was the longest six minutes of my life. The original was "sooo[sic] slow." That woman is 45 years old - not a teenager, and if she thinks that clip is slow, then there's something wrong with her attention span, not the clip or the original series.

I didn't see anything slow here:

http://bit.ly/PQiD6K

That woman's comment should tell you a lot of about the kind of audience the new show attracts. Elements like setting the scene, establishing the characters, and creating an atmosphere are not valued by a many on the group. They value flashiness, violence and action at every turn, and the characters running from one scene to another, leaving many details of the storytelling lying around for the viewers to piece together on their own, like the pieces of a broken vase.

Maybe she's too used to Lenkov's flash cuts, jump cuts, shaky camera moves, and everyone talking in murmurs or in rapid succession. It doesn't make for good writing and television.

Added: Monday 12 November 2012 17:30:53 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Ok, from that "Hookman reboot" link below I just read the following passage which is pure horse sh!t:

""We at Hawaii Five-0 hold the original series in reverence, and to be able to go to their well of incredible storytelling is such an honor,” says Peter Lenkov, Executive Producer of the current incarnation of Hawaii Five-0."

:D :D :D Haha!! Good one, Pete!! And it's not even April Fools.

Added: Monday 12 November 2012 16:44:28 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

"You find da War Memorial (a/k/a da Natatorium) at da east end of Waikiki, near da Dillingham Fountain I don't hang there much. "
huhuuuh.
They are not synonymous. There are other "war memorials" in Hawai'i. And anyone who hangs here know the Natatorium is not "near" Dillingham fountain, nor is it "at da east end of Waikiki" It is Diamond Head side of Waikiki. There are thousands of coconut trees everywhere. They simply keep them trimmed.

pffft. malihini.

Added: Monday 12 November 2012 16:37:56 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

I read about the Hookman remake, Mike. The possibilities for butchering it are endless. :!cry:

Though the writers of the original episode have given their permission, Lenkov has big shoes to fill to make this remake as memorable as the original "Hookman."

Added: Monday 12 November 2012 16:34:30 MST


Submitted by: @JamesSM
From: UK

Has anyone seen any of the classic episodes in HD? I've just downloaded a season in 1080p from iTunes and it looks GREAT!

Added: Monday 12 November 2012 15:26:21 MST


Submitted by: Mr. MIke
From: Vancouver

New Five-O to remake "Hookman" (!!!!!):

http://bit.ly/QC7l7h

http://bit.ly/UjAobd

:!surprised: :!surprised: :!surprised:

Added: Monday 12 November 2012 15:14:22 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Strictly speaking, this was not SNL. It was intended as a special that would have aired as a replacement for SNL during one of its breaks, but it was determined by the NBC censors that its subject matter overall was much too rank for that. There are quite a few people who appeared on SNL in the show, both actors and hosts. There are numerous clips from the show at YouTube. Personally, I think this Church of Jack Lord is one of the funniest things in the program. One of the more offensive sections has to do with swimming cats: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oyo0VA2XJM

Added: Monday 12 November 2012 14:28:24 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

The Church of Jack Lord!!! :D That was a howler!!

Gotta love the good old days of SNL with guys like Dan Aykroyd. Even though that was before my time. SNL today just doesn't compare. The only good things are the presidential debates and stuff like that. But now with the election over there's nothing to see there.

Added: Monday 12 November 2012 12:44:22 MST


Submitted by: King Kong
From: Top of the Empire State Building

You find da War Memorial (a/k/a da Natatorium) at da east end of Waikiki, near da Dillingham Fountain and 'cross da street from Kapi'olani Park. I don't hang there much. No 'nana trees, see? Used to be I could go there 'cause of da coconuts, but then they cut down all da coconut palms to keep da nuts from falling on da people's heads. So, Waikiki not so much fun no more.

Added: Monday 12 November 2012 11:28:29 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I like "A Matter of Mutual Concern" because this episode is so totally off the wall. Another one like this is "Double Exposure." Seth Sakai told me at one of the Five-O reunions that when the director of this episode got the script, he thought it was pretty boring, so they decided to make the show as outrageous as possible. Are there any other episodes that fit into this category?

Added: Monday 12 November 2012 09:57:42 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Mike,

I enjoyed the history lesson on "The Gunrunner." I always liked that episode. After the greatness of "F.O.B. Honolulu, Parts I and II." I was expecting a let down in the next show, but the quality of that episode was a pleasant surprise.

Ringfire,

My favorite moment in "A Matter of Mutual Concern" is the scene at the War Memorial where Li Wang offers to sell Lo Lang all of his holdings. The shot of the water before them is incredibly beautiful. Where is that located?

Big H, Vrinda, Big Chicken, King Kong,

I have a new all time favorite from Season Four. "Nine, Ten, Your Dead." was simply stunning. I didn't see that ending coming at all. The acting was so first rate in this show, and the script was tight and of high quality. I loved this show. I watched it with two other people and when the ending came we were all blown away because it was the first time we had seen this show. With "I Want Some Candy and a Gun that Shoots", "Rest in Peace, Somebody", and now "Nine, Ten..." season four is looking like the best of the first four seasons which is saying alot because the first three seasons are excellent.

Not to beat a deadhorse, but I'll say it again. When the new Five-O goes off the air, it should be made into a movie franchise which is where the opportunity to do justice to the original will be had. They never should have made a new tv show. The movies was always where the future of Five-o was at.

Added: Monday 12 November 2012 07:56:36 MST


Submitted by: Abbott
From: East Village, London

Good Morning, I was not surprised that the CBS suits decided to remake a franchise as successful as HawaiiFO, but this remake just may be the worst televison show CBS ever filmed.
I kept reading in some media that the remake was a "hit", and I was wondering how could people be watching that. Last week I decided to check all CBS shows ratings and I realized that the remake has the lowest ratings of all CBS shows. While NCIS gets 19 million viewers, LA 17 million, C.Minds 12 , POI 15..The remake gets 8 million viewers or less. It is the CBS Tv show with the lowest numbers of viewers. Then, how can they call it a hit?.
One word sums this show up : The new STM is insipid. Alex O. is painful to watch,I cannot think of a single instance of quality in his acting.
Please CBS. don't try another remake.

Added: Monday 12 November 2012 04:23:31 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

A Thousand Pardons, You're Dead - Re-viewed

Of course, this is a very cool episode, but there are some questions:

- After Danno's undercover work is a flop because he is too pressing and persistent with his questions, Yoko decides to co-operate with Five-O to entrap Simms. She goes to the bank and withdraws a lot of cash, and at Betsy's bar shows Simms some paperwork (a marriage certificate?), saying that she wants to make "a little deal" and she knew how the scam with Anna worked. What exactly is she doing here? Why does she give Simms money later -- if she is blackmailing him, he should be giving her money. Also, why would Simms come to this bar, when it is very likely that Betsy would recognize him?

- What was supposed to happen after the women got their insurance money? Presumably Simms got a cut, but who actually took the money to give it to him and Watanu? Betsy? Why didn't Betsy clue in as to what was going on (i.e., murder) after two of the women died?

Added: Sunday 11 November 2012 17:54:18 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

>Well said, John. To be honest, however, 1.0 came close to
>the edge on occasion.

Actually I never said the original series was innocent. But I think, in general, there was overall more concern to be accurate in plot details, in general back 30-20 years ago.

The point I was stressing is that in today's age, where non-realty is so easy to make believable because of computer graphics, etc. there is more of it. And today's culture, with all its instant information, instant talk, silly talk, etc., people are less concerned about details, think less, don't focus like they used too, and just accept what nonsense is thrown at them, mainly because SO MUCH of it is thrown at them. They sort of become numb to truth and reality, in a sense. Writers and viewers. The whole society.

Added: Sunday 11 November 2012 15:43:23 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I finished re-anal-yzing The Gunrunner. I had watched this show again months ago, made notes, and then lost those notes. Recently after I watched it again, I accidentally deleted notes I had made during that viewing on my computer (but I had posted some random musings in this forum, luckily).

Anyway, I noticed something interesting which may be of interest to those interested [note multiple use of words with "interest" in them in one sentence] in "which Five-O cases were inspired by real events":

According to Wikipedia: On July 4, 1957, U.S. rifle manufacturer Fairchild ArmaLite sold a five-year manufacturing license for the AR-10 to the Dutch arms manufacturer, Artillerie Inrichtingen (A.I.). With its large factory and production facilities, A.I. could produce the ArmaLite rifle in the large quantities that Fairchild expected would be forthcoming. (The guns in the show are AR-10s, and they come from Holland.) In 1957 Samuel Cummings, "a famous international arms dealer," secured a order of 7,500 AR-10 rifles from Nicaragua, with an initial delivery of 1,000 rifles to be delivered before January 1958. The order was contingent on a successful completion of a 7,500-round endurance test. With the AR-10 in short supply, Cummings left his personal demonstrator rifle with Nicaragua's chief military commander, General Anastasio Somoza, who would personally conduct the endurance test trial. While General Somoza was firing this rifle for the trial, the bolt lug over the ejector sheared off and flew past Somoza's head. The general angrily returned Cumming's AR-10 and canceled the entire Nicaraguan order. The remaining Hollywood rifles were inspected and refitted as necessary with new parts to prevent reoccurrence of the bolt lug failure, but the Nicaraguan order was lost for good. In the show, according to his associate Hank Merrill (George Murdock), Cunningham (note the similarity of the name to "Cummings") "made a deal in Central America six months ago. It went sour. Everything was confiscated. It nearly wiped him out."

Added: Sunday 11 November 2012 12:51:50 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Even then, it's very vague as to how Manny got the gun, since he says he found it where Julian had hidden it - and not where. You'd think someone hiding a gun would hide it so only they could find it and not anyone else who might use it for something other than self-defense.

Lannie was a dumb girl who never seemed to know when to crawl out of the sewer. It's tragic irony that the girl who played her, Ann Prentiss, was equally messed up, if not more so.

On top of that, Manny intended to use the gun to kill the general, then when he saw Julian, he was filled with anger and hate for him all over again, so he shoots Julian. The kid's got some very erratic emotions and proves he's mentally unsound. How he got this far in the story without cracking is a mystery.

The HPD cops and the state department guy look useless in that scene, but that might be the director's fault for not telling them how to react and show it without words.

Manny was a guy who was confused and maybe even tormented by his sexuality, hence his strong feelings for Julian and how they were so strong they made him want to kill at the spur of the moment. It's a sad social commentary for the time and today as well.

Added: Saturday 10 November 2012 23:49:58 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Vrinda, it's stated by Danno when he is bringing McGarrett a sandwich as McG is playing his guitar that Lannie had a permit for the .38. In other words, she bought it, legally owned it and it had been cleared by the cops. After someone tried to kill her and Julian 3 years before by turning on the gas as they slept, she gave the gun to Julian. The fact that Lannie hangs out with known felons suggests she is a no-goodnik, however.

At the end, McG gets Manny to admit that he was responsible for this attempt on their lives (the gassing). He says "He [Julian] betrayed me," suggesting a sexual angle as well as issues with Julian being the leader of the peace co-operative..

Speaking of HPD, the security for the general at the beginning of the show leaves a lot to be desired. There are several cops present at the demonstration, along with some suit who looks like he works for the State Department, but they don't seem to be taking their jobs particularly seriously. After Julian is shot, the only one who is really freaking out is McGarrett.

Added: Saturday 10 November 2012 23:23:15 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

"Actually, this is not correct. Paul is the one who breaks open the locker with a crowbar, ..."

That is part of the problem with this episode. So many people had the gun. If the gun is described as Lannie's, where did she get it from in the first place, when she wasn't a criminal and had no use for it? She dated criminals - that man Victor Collins who is shot when Danno and the rest of guys break into that house - so maybe the gun was something he owned. They wouldn't be able to trace it, since criminals don't buy their guns legally, so it could have come from anyone Lannie knew, if not herself.

Manny obviously planted the gun to frame Ned, but since he's spilling all to Steve anyway, it doesn't make sense for him to leave out how the gun got into the locker. he might have been lying about seeing the glimpse of metal in Ned's jacket, since he most likely planted it there and wanted to make sure everyone focused on Ned as the suspect.

Like I said, this is not one of my favorites from Season 1. If the murder hadn't occurred at the protest where Five-O was escorting that general, they would not have been involved at all. HPD would have handled it then.

Added: Saturday 10 November 2012 22:10:40 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

> [Paul Brechtman i]s the one who finds the gun in Ned’s locker after the shooting...

Actually, this is not correct. Paul is the one who breaks open the locker with a crowbar, probably because he is the guy there with the most physical strength. Manny is the one who actually "finds" the gun which is in the pocket of Ned's jacket. Manny's explanation for why he thought the gun was there doesn't make any sense, that he previously "caught a glimpse of metal when the locker was open." How could he get a glimpse of metal if the gun was in the jacket?

Manny tells McGarrett at the end of the show that he "found Lannie's gun where Julian had hidden it," but doesn't offer any explanation as to how it ended up in the locker. Presumably Manny planted it there as part of his scheme to make it look like Ned was Julian's killer.

I haven't watched this particular episode for about 15 years. It's disappointing to realize in retrospect how crappy the script was.

Added: Saturday 10 November 2012 19:24:38 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The Church of Jack Lord:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/video/mondovideo.m4v

Or try this:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/video/mondovideo

There is a version of this on YouTube where there is a short introduction that doesn't appear in the above.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4HS2cJHVlg

Added: Saturday 10 November 2012 16:59:19 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

i never saw REST IN PEACE, SOMEBODY until last nite finally! ...B+. That must've been one giant paint can drawing the red line.

Added: Saturday 10 November 2012 15:07:19 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

In regards to the review of "Not that Much Different” at the IMDb, the reviewer overdoes it. This is not a good episode, but not for reasons he states. The idea of anti-establishmentarian college students who hate the police is nothing new, and nothing interesting. I thought those kids were callous, shallow, and ignorant. They’re not too anxious to help find Julian’s killer, but Ned (Stewart Moss) still has the lip enough to give his holier-than-thou spiel to McGarrett, at which he promptly – and rightfully – chews them out. Stewart Moss’ character, Ned, acts very hostile when Five-O comes to question him, acting like the typical obvious suspect who turns out to be innocent. The students get together to find the killer when they find that gun in the locker and question Ned – half an hour into the episode.

As for the reviewer’s inability to figure out where the guitar came from, did he not see the guitar case next to the door in McGarrett’s office? Even then, it’s not too hard to imagine McGarrett having a guitar and playing it. There is nothing wrong with such a scene. It was certainly more realistic than McGarrett having a mini-refrigerator full of beer in his office on the new show.

I didn’t find McGarrett’s dialogue cringe-worthy, but I am not sympathetic to the protesters. Maybe this stems from watching it forty years after it was made. Steve is trying to hold his ground and not let these self-absorbed kids think that they are getting to him. He’s not supposed to stand around and let those kids, who have hardly lived or had to struggle in any way, act like they’re superior and know more about life, which they prove by their actions that they do not. I also say this from experience, having gone to school with such people. I thought Ned and Manny were too smug, Manny especially. He was trying to be charming, but he came across as fake and irritating. He was being overly polite, which is a trait I find phony and untrustworthy.

McGarrett does deliver a very important and noteworthy line to the kids when he goes to question them at their workshop, "Nobody is loved by everybody.”

It’s really only Paul Brecthman (Lee Paul) who develops a conscious and tells Five-O that he saw Manny pointing something at Julian, but couldn’t be sure it was a gun. He’s the one who finds the gun in Ned’s locker after the shooting and comes to Steve and Danno with his story afterwards.

For the way the story played out, it ran coherently, but the overall subject matter was dull. With all the cases Five-O deals with regularly, sorting out a power struggle between immature college kids is a waste of time. Five-O would not have been involved if not for one of the students being shot during a political rally where a foreign general was present. If not for Manny’s possible romantic interest in Julian, none of this would have happened, which makes this case an even bigger waste of time and more superficial.

What other motive could the writers have come up with for Manny to shoot Julian? Was it control of the magazine or some political reason? Could the writers have tied Julian into the general somehow, making this more of an international intrigue story? Or maybe all that was too much for them to write, so they stuck to something simpler. In the end, it made for a less interesting story with uninteresting victims and suspects.

Added: Saturday 10 November 2012 12:53:00 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Not That Much Different -- discuss!

This episode has a lot of problems. Not the least of these is the fact the actors playing the main "student" characters are all around 30 years old and it shows.

Some person at IMDB reviewed this episode, but their reaction was kind of extreme: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0598107/reviews

Although some of the stuff that McGarrett says >is< cringeworthy, especially if -- at the time of the show -- you were sympathetic with the protestors and thought he was "one of the pigs," there are several iconic statements that he makes to the students which help to establish McGarrett's persona. As for him playing the guitar, this is not the only episode where this happens.

My main issue with this episode has to do with the character of Manning and why he wanted to kill Julian, the leader of their group.

Manning "loved" Julian, and there are suggestions of a gay relationship. But at the end after he gets shot by McGarrett, Manning says words to the effect that he wanted to knock off Julian because he was jealous of his power in the group, that Julian had "used all of us," and that by shooting Julian, Manning would become greater than Julian. This Manning is one confused guy! Manning throws out the obscure term "magnicide" to try and justify what he did, which, according to a WWW definition, is "when a Government or a Government Entity has someone they believe to be a threat assassinated in order to eliminate the perceived threat." Manning was also likely jealous of the fact that Julian was hanging out with the attractive Carole -- so maybe Manning felt betrayed sexually as well (perhaps Julian was bisexual, but this is really anal-yzing (no pun intended) this to an extreme extent).

I suspect that the sexual relationship angle in this show was originally played up in this show more, and the bigwigs at CBS told the production team to "dial it back." Don't forget that in "The Box," there is a reference to "homosexuals" in prison which was probably pretty rank enough for the era when the show was broadcast.

Added: Saturday 10 November 2012 09:43:19 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

Some discrepancies in the latest H50 ep; Mohai: to offer sacrifice.

NO one here calls it "in the sticks". Obvious scriptwriters in el lay. Also the cop announces himself as if he's answering the phones at HQ; this is the Honolulu Police department! he would only need say Police, Show yerself!

Also the pentagram is universally recognized. But no one but Max knows it. Dumb...
Everyone is familiar with the Goat of Mendes. Aren't they? Well yer run of the mill detective surely would be superficially cognizant in a cursory fashion regarding the exoteric symbology of black and white magick.

That actor played da squatter did a good job.
Danno had funny lines.
Fun to watch the eps, recognize the locations, shops, houses, neighborhoods, cafes...

Steve sez It was a ritualistic murder. aaahhh, it is "ritual murder", more naturally.

The three sided blade knife that landed on Lucas's cage is a Tibetan Tantric Buddhist ritual knife known as a phurba.

The shop wherein they garner occult info is in chinatown of course. A little Hawaiiana shop which the prop master wikiwiki-like placed strategic knives and skulls among the vintage items offered by yer usual silmilar shop...

Lee Meriwether,(recognoticed instantly!) as gramma helen stabbed Lucas with a big metal nail spike thang. made a big clang when seth (appropriate name) pulled it and dropped it on the counter.

Chin mentions a luakini heiau. There were many types of heiau (which is a center of spiritual power or a temple, in haole terms) which contains a hale or two, Pule and/or pahu hale) and an altar, an "oracle tower" as well as other elements...
and the Luakini in particular was a sacrificial heiau. Mostly dedicated to any one of many aspects of Ku. Mostly Ku ka Ili Moku. Wayward sailors, other haoles and prisoners of war were customarily sacrificed.

There go the fireworks again, in the scene. Happens every friday night Waikiki. What a coincidence. I am hearing it now, friday nite just before 8 pm, up da hill from Waiks at the moment, as I type.

Added: Friday 09 November 2012 23:16:52 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Well said, John. To be honest, however, 1.0 came close to the edge on occasion. "Bored, She Hung Herself" was the worst instance. In its day, Five-0 was rough and tough. It was too upsetting for my children when they were young, and I had to stop watching in what must have been Season 9. I didn't see Seasons 9 through 12 until the DVDs came out (except for two taped-from-TV seasons that a certain someone sent to me). Even today, some episodes send chills down my spine, "Nine Dragons" being the worst in that regard.

Added: Friday 09 November 2012 15:59:21 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

geez, missed the nov 5 episode , that is 2 in a row and i don't think i'll see it! does this mean i am giving up? hmm

terrence howard and t.i. next week. that i should take a look.

hope it's good

Added: Friday 09 November 2012 15:36:05 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

Today is Friday--an evening in which I look forward to some TV (which I seldom watch) (i.e Blue Bloods), compared to Monday night, which I loathe.

It's clear to me what is going on with this new Hawaii Five-O series. TV and movies are over-saturated with stuff that can never be real -- movies like Tranformers, BatMan, SpiderMan, Avatar, even James Bond--all stuff that is brainless, sesnseless, emotionless. Of course, even back a long time ago, there were "sensleess" TV shows like Bewitched, I Dream of Jeannie etc, but most of that was comedy with no one gettng hurt and no violence. But now the lack of reality has worked its way into violence. Slowly, over time, starting from comedy to the today, people are get so bombblasted with scenes and things that would not, could not, happen in real life that people because lose ability to think critically and clearly, including writers. All they see is money, and what the current trend is --so show gore, action, super heros, guns, explosions, etc, and all of this HAS to involve empty superficial relationships because no sane serious human could put up with all the violence without cracking up pshychology -- and the trend is that this is what works (i.e makes money)--so do it, without any real thinking, real relationships. People can't handle that kind of stuff anymore and just want to sit back and be wooed and wowed and talk simple talk on their cell phones and TXTs.

That is the current Hawaii Five-0.

Many writers, and viewers do not understand that the more violent you get, the more serious you need to be about your thinking and your relationships, or else you will fall into a danergous kind of fantasy land. That's why the sensless comedic TV shows of the past really did not do that much "damage" --they were not violent. But once you turn to violnece (cop shows, etc)- YOU GOT to be 100% on your toes with your brain and your emotions.

I know some of this is over-generalation, and one will always find an exeption here and there, but in general I stand by what I said

There is a lot of personal danger to subjecting your self to non-reality over and over again, and then add violence to the mix, and no wonder we have mass shootings in malls, kids with guns in school, etc.

I am shocked at all the things I have missed that are wrong with these episodes. I read what others see, and I see so little (maybe because I don't want to see it and am scared to find it) and it is much worse than I have imagined. It is sad, sad, sad.

Anyway, Hawaii Five-0 is fantasy-land TV.

Thank goodness it is Friday

Added: Friday 09 November 2012 14:25:20 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"I really enjoyed that show and thought the script and dialogue was a firecracker!!!"

Oh, spot on, man! Spot on!!! The scrip was DA BOMB! Not just a firecracker. ;) Seriously, the script makes the episode! Is it politically incorrect? Absolutely! Is Manu Tupou's Samoan character of Tasi the poster boy for bigotry and intolerance? Of course! And that's why I love the episode :) The whole thing is just one racial zinger after another! And what about McG's history lesson?? :D "Repeat after me!!" Tasi gives him the raspberry. Somewhere in the archives I listed all those great zingers from this episode. Maybe someone can find it.

Ahhh, the greatness of season 4.

Added: Friday 09 November 2012 12:28:54 MST


Submitted by: Mr. MIke
From: Vancouver

Trivia time!

http://m.moviemistakes.com/tv6238

Here is what is said about "Rest in Peace, Somebody":

Cameron's attempt to assassinate the governor fails because McGarrett has everyone wear bullet-proof vests. It's been established that Cameron is brilliant, a top-of-his-class ex-cop and a crack shot. And he's been sending death threats, so he knows they'll expect him. Yet he fires at the governor's back and is shocked that the man doesn't die. Anyone with his expertise would have anticipated the vests, and aimed for the man's head.

Added: Friday 09 November 2012 12:13:12 MST


Submitted by: King Kong
From: Top of the Empire State Building

Da invite for banana bread's cool, man, but I gotta get back down to da islands for more of da real t'ing so's to get Ma Kong to make da real bread. Da store bought kine ain't no good, bruddah.

"A Matter of Mutual Concern" da episode what wit' da old mobster fancying himself da cultured gentleman. ROFL. Ma Kong and me watch it often.

"Is This Any Way to Run a Paradise" is a whole other matter. How dare dat guy in a dress borrow my name! Da nerve of 'im! Who he t'ink he is?

Added: Friday 09 November 2012 09:28:57 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

I'd like to welcome King Kong to the guestbook and encourage him to stay and visit often. I would be interested in his take on the old and new Five-O.

I had a giant stuffed King Kong when I was a little boy as he was my favorite monster, so it's an honor to have him here. I will break banana bread with you anytime sir. ;)

Anybody else, think that "A matter of mutual concern" is an underrated episode?...I really enjoyed that show and thought the script and dialogue was a firecracker!!!

Added: Friday 09 November 2012 07:41:15 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Who let that ape in here??? :D

Added: Friday 09 November 2012 04:33:08 MST


Submitted by: King Kong
From: Top of the Empire State Building

Don't believe everything you see, Missy. :D

Added: Thursday 08 November 2012 18:21:57 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Hey, King Kong, I thought you fell off the Empire State Building when a man in an airplane machine gunned you?

Added: Thursday 08 November 2012 17:23:41 MST


Submitted by: King Kong
From: Top of the Empire State Building

Who you callin' a banana breath, brah? :D

Added: Thursday 08 November 2012 14:28:18 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Mike, in reference to the blood out of a can of paint, that was a typing error. With all the talk of the blood, from the new show which was mentioned at the same time, I typed that accidentally.

Everything I say is not out of blind devotion to the old show, but to suggest that Cameron was using more than one bucket of paint is not as far-fetched as what was shown when the grandmother stabbed that victim with the crochet needle, which John Stockton pointed out, and then the man was still able to wriggle around when regaining consciousness later, which such a stab would might not allow for.

Even if you can label certain elements from episodes of the old show as lacking in logic, they are not to the level shown in the new show. The psychic seeing the cell phone monitor in the previous episode, how the devil-worshipping killer managed to get into the car accident and take the victim to his house without anyone noticing, and no one checking on the stolen truck are larger incongruities in the storyline than how someone can use so much paint to create a trail of simulated blood.

In the case of "Rest in Peace, Somebody," the amount of red paint used and the number of cans doesn't effect the storyline. He wanted Steve to follow the trail so he could find out where the key fit, so he left the trail, when Steve opened the door, he saw the sign on the wall that advertised the Governor's office. If Cameron had the one can of paint and ran out, you think that would have stopped him? He'd find some other way to taunt Steve and point out where that key fit. It's not too hard to picture Cameron having more than one bucket of paint around, and it isn't as preposterous as the items you pointed out on the new show.

In the case of the latter, the items you pointed out can't be interpreted any way than what they are. We see the boy in the psychic's shop standing with his back to her, so when she says she saw the number on his caller ID, it stands out as odd because she could not possibly have done so. This inaccuracy, though, provides Danno and Kono with the phone number of the person who called him, which leads them to Al Reingold - the first red herring suspect. It's a case of an unrealistic plot device leading up to another commonly-used plot device. Neither served the storyline at all.

With Cameron and the red paint, was the storyline impaired because we can't fathom his getting that much paint from one can?

In the case of the newest episode, that needle wound would not create the thick stripe of blood that formed when the killer dragged the boy downstairs, and there is another case of too much luck on the killer's side, until Five-O catches up with him: how can he be so certain that the girl would not have been killed on impact during the crash, depriving his master Satan of a live sacrifice? He'd have to capture another girl, with little time.

How was he able to set up the sacrifice altar on the beach with no one around? Is that area usually deserted?

Also, notice no one reported that male victim missing.

Added: Thursday 08 November 2012 14:06:23 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"Regardless, Cameron could not have made the trail he did with the amount from a one gallon bucket. He had to have had other buckets, but they weren't shown."

Ummm... not sure how many of you realize this but the State Capitol Building is just a stone's throw away from the Iolani Palace. In fact it's right across a patch of grass behind the Palace. I was there so I know for a fact that it takes no more than 2-3 minutes to walk from the Palace to the Capitol Bldg. No more than 5 minutes if you really want to get technical and take into account going from McG's desk to the Gov's door which is presumably somewhere on the second floor of the Capitol Bldg. I have no reason to doubt that a small trickle of paint from a can of that size can last 5 minutes. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if some paint was still remaining in the can. Things that I can't figure out are why Cameron didn't take a head shot at the Gov or why there were no guards on duty at the Palace at night. But the trickle of paint never bothers me in the slightest.

As for Jimmy Borges I just clicked "Subscribe" on his FB page and was able to see his posts. Can't argue too much with what he says. Even if you don't agree with Obama's policies there's no use in having a Donald Trump-style meltdown over it. The man won the election fair and square. That's all there is to it. Time to move on. Romney did. So should the rest of us.

Added: Thursday 08 November 2012 13:28:33 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Vrinda, your devotion to the old show is clearly influencing your judgment.

In the case of the paint, we don't see that there is more than one can, so you are saying that we have to guess (or "it is implied") that something else happened, i.e., Cameron had than one.

In the new show previous to the most recent one, the fortune teller tells Five-0 that Billy (the guy who got decapitated) received a call on his cel phone during the reading and she could see the caller ID which was someone named "Al." How she could do this is difficult to understand, considering that she was sitting down and Billy was turned away from her, standing several feet away.

Without having been shown exactly how she came to these conclusions, we must guess (or it "has to be implied") what happened, i.e., maybe Billy turned towards her at some point at an angle where she >could< see the caller ID (or whatever).

As far as I can see, this is the same thing.

But you are saying "In the old show, what happened is totally logical, but in the new series, when they do the same thing, it is stupid"!

By the way, I didn't say anywhere that the amount of blood from Lucas made sense, if that is what you are suggesting. In my review, I said that he left "a huge trail of blood" and that he had "a massive loss of blood."

Incidentally, I just noticed when you commented on Rest in Peace today, you wrote "In regards to Five-O, I liked "Rest in Peace, Somebody," but also wondered how Cameron could have gotten that much blood [sic] out of a small can of paint." (!!!)

Added: Thursday 08 November 2012 12:46:48 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Thank you, Rainbow! ;)

We weren't hit too badly by the storm. Only part of our back fence was crushed by a neighbor's tree, and that tree skinned the front of his garage roof. We had our electricity on throughout, except for a 5-minute blackout on Monday night. The next town still doesn't have electricity, and the schools here have been out for the past two weeks. The kids are all over, running and playing around, and they're going to be making up the lost time royally with no winter or spring break, and maybe and extra week of school in June.

Yes, I think King Kong cannot be choosy, and I wonder if all those human sacrifices ever appeased him. :!thinking:

Added: Thursday 08 November 2012 12:05:12 MST


Submitted by: Dean Higuchi
From: Vancouver

Gimme my Opals!!! Those are MY BLOODY OPALS mate!!!

Added: Thursday 08 November 2012 11:31:06 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Tsk, tsk, Mike, if having extra buckets of paint to explain the amount Cameron used is as far-fetched as the amount of blood coming from a crocheting-needle wound to the back and the victim not being paralyzed - as shown in the Halloween episode - then so is accepting that Cameron could get that much blood out of a one-gallon bucket. You can buy multiple buckets of paint and sprinkle them around. The imagination can be stretched to allow for that, but the human body cannot leave a trail of blood as the as the male sacrifice victim did, unless he's a hemophiliac.

Regardless, Cameron could not have made the trail he did with the amount from a one gallon bucket. He had to have had other buckets, but they weren't shown. Even though he is only shown using one bucket initially, we can't solely accept what is shown as all that is used. Some things have to be implied. It's not the same as all the "envisioning" that Peter Lenkov is telling us to do with the new show.

Added: Thursday 08 November 2012 11:06:03 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Don't worry Vrinda, no human sacrifices going on here at the Five-O guestbook. We'll make sure that you are safe and sound in NJ.

BTW- How did you survive the Hurricane?

PS-With the bad banana breath that King Kong has he should like all types-Blondes, Brunettes, Red Heads etc. He can't afford to be picky.

Added: Thursday 08 November 2012 11:02:03 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

But, Vrinda, it was not a "small can of paint," it looked like a gallon. This is largest "normal" can of paint you can buy in a hardware store.

When you start talking about how he might have had extra cans of paint to complete his task, this is verging on the plot logic used in the new Five-O ... tsk! tsk!

For example, in Monday night's show, there are no bodies at the crash scene, so Chin Ho speculates that the psycho killer had a car stashed nearby. Except this assumes that the killer managed to cause the woman's car to crash very close to where he had the car hidden ... not to mention other factors like he had to steal the truck, take it to the party, drive on public roads wearing his goat-head costume, put the bodies in his "stashed" car (admittedly the road is in the middle of nowhere, which brings up a whole bunch of other questions), etc., etc.

Added: Thursday 08 November 2012 10:25:18 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Rainbow, I make a terrible human sacrifice. Plus, King Kong likes blondes. He won't even scratch a brunette like me. Why do you think that tribe kidnapped Fay Wray?

In regards to Five-O, I liked "Rest in Peace, Somebody," but also wondered how Cameron could have gotten that much blood out of a small can of paint. I don't think the director was implying that the small can was all he used. He must have had other small cans with him, maybe in the hallway, and he carried them with him when he went about his work. It's also strange how there were no security guards roaming around at that time, though.

Added: Thursday 08 November 2012 09:29:08 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Since I am Jimmy Borges' pal on Facebook, I can't see what someone would see if they are checking out his page if they are not. If a personality on Facebook has a LOT of friends, I think it gets to the point where they can't get any more friends, and you just have to "Like" their page. If you can still become JB's friend, just send him a message with your request saying words to the effect that you have enjoyed his performances on the old (and new) Five-O, that you think he is a swell guy (which he is!), etc.

Added: Thursday 08 November 2012 08:59:31 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

I really don't care what politically correct liberal types think about calling out human sacrifice. Anybody that wants to make a case here for human sacrifice, please do, and I'll be sure to call the police in your area and notify them of your existence. Please!...Really was something that stupid actually written on these pages!

Yes, by all means let's make sure we don't offend people who like to kill people as an offer to their gods!

I'll tell you what let's tie Vrinda up to the vines and offer her up to King Kong!!!

Let's stay on Five-O people and stop the nonsense.

Added: Thursday 08 November 2012 07:47:54 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Even if he doesn't accept your friend request, you should still be able to see his page. I also sent him a friend request which he did not answer, and I can see and post comments on his wall. What do you see when you go to Jimmy's page?

Added: Wednesday 07 November 2012 21:26:37 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Well, I'm on Facebook. I just don't think Borges will accept my friend request since he doesn't know me. So I guess there's no way for me to read it.

Added: Wednesday 07 November 2012 18:35:27 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Review of last show, incorporates most of my previous rants:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/2010-log3.htm#5

As far as JB's rants are concerned, sorry, you will have to hook up with Facebook, they are far too inflammatory to post here, and I don't want to get into a huge political tangent over these.

Added: Wednesday 07 November 2012 18:08:01 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"By the way, speaking of strong political opinions, people should check out what Jimmy Borges had to say about the US election results on his Facebook page! Whoa!"

Care to share with us, Mr. Mike? I don't have access to his page.

Added: Wednesday 07 November 2012 14:44:07 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I agree with you that human sacrifice is not good, it is very barbaric. However, there are politically correct liberal types who will make a case that you should not be "culturally insensitive" to people over practices in which they have engaged for centuries, i.e., eating shark fin soup, killing whales, forcing women to completely cover their bodies, practicing female circumcision and so forth. Actually, I don't think too many of these liberal types would make a case that the last of these should be allowed. :!wondering:

By the way, speaking of strong political opinions, people should check out what Jimmy Borges had to say about the US election results on his Facebook page! Whoa!

Added: Wednesday 07 November 2012 13:18:23 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

>but one of the grandmother's knitting needles.

Oh, I did not catch that. That makes the while thing even a bit more absurb, doesn't it? I mean I would not think that a knitting needle could drop someone to the floor like he fell dead to the floor. But then what do I know about knitting needles

As for the rest of your post, I did not really get it. I don't think anyone would deny that getting rid of human sacrifice, however it is done, is a bad thing.

Added: Wednesday 07 November 2012 12:26:16 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

It was not a "bar" which the guy had stuck in his back but one of the grandmother's knitting needles. If it was stuck in his spine, this would surely have paralyzed him. I don't think when the son pulled the needle out he was particularly concerned about what would happen. But the amount of blood on the floor as the body was dragged was absurd. Like I said, the way this character was treated was very operatic, i.e., he kept pleading for his life, and then when he was supposedly killed, he kept coming back to life over and over.

By the way, when you say that missionaries did a good thing by getting Hawaiians to stop human sacrifice, you are verging on territory which is "sacred" (no pun intended) to liberal types, aside from the implication that the "Christian way" is the "right way." You are opening yourself up to having people say that you are "culturally insensitive"!

Added: Wednesday 07 November 2012 11:11:22 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

>Yes, I also noticed the massive amount of blood.

It was not really the amount blood that I noticed. What baffled me was that when he was initially struck by the grandma, it was a direct blow to the center of the back, and the guy fell and laid as if totally dead. I thought he was 100% dead. Then he is dragged, but to be dragged, the bar had to be removed from the back. Anyone knows that when you have a bar or something in you YOU KEEP IT IN YOU to avoid bleeding to death, which will happen when you pull the object out. So, the guy is as good as dead, and if not dead, certainly 100% paralized, even with the bar in his back, and then it has to be pulled out for the drag, so now for sure he will bleed to death. But later not only does he have enough blood and energy in him to be conscious and to sqirm on the altar, but he does not seem paralyzed whihc at the very least he should be if he could even be alive in any way.

It was so stupid and ridiculous. The writers have destroyed this series, made a mockery of Hawaii Five-0, with this thoughtlessness, at so many levels.

As an aside, ancient Hawaiian culture, which had horrible pagan parts to it, did practise human sacrifice. Although contact with the West did, and still is, destroying much of Hawaiian culture, this human sacrifice thing which the New England Christian missionaries help eradicate from Hawaiin culture in the 1800s, was one very good thing that western culture/contact did for Hawaiian culture.

Added: Wednesday 07 November 2012 10:45:05 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Chin Ho actually suggests that the guy who forced the car off the road had an accomplice (did the granny drive the other car?) or had a car stashed near the accident scene. I don't buy the latter. If he is trying to drive the woman off the road with the truck, how can he predict where this will finally happen?

More trivia for your delectation:

The way they figure out who the villain is, is stupid. They try to determine if there were any other killings of a sacrificial nature around Hallowe'en. Nothing. So they do a search based on traits ascribed to **serial killers**. Except their suspect is not a serial killer -- they just proved it. A serial killer has to kill at least THREE PEOPLE and there were NO KILLINGS. They find Seth Tilton because he was cruel to animals (one of the traits), which is a very long shot. (The other traits are someone who starts fires or someone who wets the bed.)

The sacrificial finale is at the Heiau at Pupukea Ridge. This is an actual place. Only problem is -- it's located at the top of a RIDGE -- DUH! -- which is 300 feet above the ocean below. If you look in the background on the show, you can see the waves from the ocean, suggesting that this location is at sea level, or pretty close to it.

The way Lucas Hayes (the second sacrificial character) went on in an operatic way about "please don't hurt me, please don't kill me" was stupid. Just before Seth prepares to kill him in the basement (but then he stops), he turns on the radio. The song playing is Tiny Bubbles.

Lisa Heller (the girl murdered at the beginning of the show) is an organ donor, according to her driver's license (irony, I guess). But I think everyone who has had a license displayed on the show is an organ donor!

The song at the end is Love Love Love by Avalanche City. I thought this song was heard in the film The Notebook, but it is not, as far as I can determine.

Added: Wednesday 07 November 2012 01:09:46 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Mike - maybe he clicked his heels together, said, "There's no place like home," and a tornado whisked him and the girl back to his house. Given the craziness that goes on on this show, that's not too far-fetched an idea. The suspension of disbelief requires a strong cable hundreds of miles high.

Added: Tuesday 06 November 2012 21:32:20 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

More stupidity from yesterday's show.

The cop at the beginning is "out in the sticks." He comes across the girl's wrecked car and the truck which was used to run the car off the road. But the girl who was driving the car is actually back in the basement torture chamber of the psycho villain son. OK, considering psycho son was driving the truck, how did he transport the girl back to his house -- which, as far as I can determine, is not "out in the sticks."

Added: Tuesday 06 November 2012 20:13:09 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

LOL....so did the paint, H1F.... :)

Added: Tuesday 06 November 2012 18:48:24 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

That blood must have come in 5-gallon buckets.

Added: Tuesday 06 November 2012 12:26:04 MST


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

For some great "early" Morton Stevens' music, there is the DVD set of 87TH PRECINCT (1961-1962) - I've been watching this set and it features eleven scores by Mort.

I believe the theme for this series was Mort's first - great stories and first rate music - check it out:

http://amzn.to/YDyQOG

Added: Tuesday 06 November 2012 11:20:18 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"Arms dealer Ben Cunningham's wife Claire is kidnapped by separatists from Malanesia"

Ahhh, Melanesia. I hear it's a great place to be - especially this time of the year. ;) Reminds of all those fantastic countries that we would hear about on a weekly basis on episodes of MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE. Remember Svardia? Valeria? Elkabar in the Persian Gulf? Ghalea in Africa? Kuala Rokat in the Far East? Povia in the Balkans? The most recent episode I saw was "Nitro" set in the Middle Eastern nation of Karak. Gotta love those democracy-yearning Karakians. Good thing the IMF team was on hand to help them achieve their goal.

As for "The Gunrunner" I think it is a very good episode but one which for some reason gets tossed under the bus a lot. I wonder if it's because it may be slightly convoluted. I say slightly because it's nowhere near as head-scratching as "Dear Enemy". I guess I love when Five-0 deals with foreign spies and revolutionaries - this was a common theme during the first 3 seasons of the show. So I enjoyed this one. Maybe not as much as season 2's "Leopard on the Rock" and "Nightmare Road" and certainly not as much as season 3's "The Second Shot" but it was still very enjoyable. Certainly more so than season 2's "Savage Sunday".

Added: Tuesday 06 November 2012 11:16:51 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Yes, I also noticed the massive amount of blood. Even Kamekona would not have so much blood in him! I wonder if the people who wrote this show were watching Rest in Peace, Somebody which we were discussing recently -- especially in relation to the can of paint which had a trail that went on for far more than you would expect given the size of the can. :!mmm:

Added: Tuesday 06 November 2012 09:35:27 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

These writers are blind! The wound to the back was way too severe. At first he was knocked out fallen on the ground (I thought dead), then there is a long trail of blood as he is dragged, and he passes out--by now he has to be dead. Instead he comes to life sqirming on the altar at the end. NO WAY!! NO WAY!! He is either paralyzed or just dead from the initial blow to the back. Why do the writers think us to be so dumb?

Added: Tuesday 06 November 2012 07:54:29 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Another show that was sort of OK until you started thinking about it. I liked the parts where Michelle Borth acted like she wanted to do it like a monkey if this was on cable, like her naughty show Tell Me You Love Me. Her character also had a nice little scene with Danno's daughter. Grace Park also looked very hot when they were looking in the trash bins. The production values of some of the show raised it in the ratings for me, especially the beginning. This was very classily done, like the atmospheric opening with the cop -- up to the point where we ended up in the torture chamber which was straight out of "Saw" or "Hostel," continuing the grossness from the previous show with its decapitation. As usual, there was too much exposition from Chin Ho about stuff, like the weird satanic symbols and rituals. The grandma, played by Lee "Catwoman" Meriwether, stretched believability big time. When you first saw her, she was a nice old lady, but then she turned into Satan herself, the one who probably made the kid the way he was. Was she really so smart she could have grabbed the cop's gun and shot him? I thought cops had some sort of button-down flap over the top of their holsters to prevent people from doing that. There were other stupid things like Kamekona getting dressed up in this camouflage outfit. Was this supposed to be out of McGarrett's closet (this size XXXXL jacket)? I thought there was a pretty obvious explanation for why Danno's daughter abandoned him on Hallowe'en -- because of the shitty experience she had the previous year with the guy in the motel offering her mini-bottles of booze! The music was mostly pretty good (surprise!), because it sounded like Mark Snow's scoring of The X-Files. One question: would a 1996 Chevrolet pickup have an airbag? According to Wikipedia, "airbags were not mandatory on light trucks until 1997"! I'll probably give it at least a two. I would have given it more but that was before I started thinking about it.

Added: Monday 05 November 2012 23:54:33 MST


Submitted by: Kathy
From: Buffo, NY

I love watching this show. I loved watching year ago as well with Jack Lord. My comment is Dies any one know what happened to episode last Monday? Show was pre-empted for special on Superstorm Sandy. Tx. :)

Added: Monday 05 November 2012 22:16:29 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

RF....I agree with Ed's theory too (I was gabbing tongue-in-cheek), cause I surely expected the website to say that Rosenstadt was of Jewish origins. A last minute name change that Graphic Titles was unaware of is the more likely explanation.

Added: Monday 05 November 2012 19:38:51 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I watched "The Gunrunner" today. This is a very tense episode, and a good one for at least three acts. But there are some issues.

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Arms dealer Ben Cunningham's wife Claire is kidnapped by separatists from Malanesia who want a shipment of guns destined for the government of that country. But Cunningham actually arranged for his wife to be kidnapped because he was having serious financial problems. The Malanesian Consul gives Cunningham $500,000 more, to get him to forget about his wife and make sure that his country gets the guns. Cunningham tells the Consul that the guns are at Pier 39. Why they are there is difficult to understand. There is a scene at the airport where Kono talks to Kwan Him Lim. He plays a shipping clerk who tells Kono that the guns have arrived from Holland and have gone to the pier. But then they are going to be brought back to the airport to be shipped on another plane! Anyway, there is a spy in the consul's office who calls the separatists who promptly go to the pier and attempt to seize the guns, despite the fact there are only three of them and there are numerous other well-armed guys working in the warehouse, presumably connected with the consul. The separatists are all killed.

The separatists are in league with Bajano (Philip Pine), who is totally sleazy. He doesn't seem overly concerned about the fact that three of their party have been murdered at the pier. He is only interested in getting $50,000 from Cunningham for helping him with the kidnapping. Considering there is a spy in the consul's office who tipped the separatists off that the guns were at the pier in the first place after Cunningham visited the consulate, wouldn't the spy also have mentioned the fact that the Consul gave Cunningham $500,000, not $50,000? At the end of the show when McGarrett goes to the consulate, threatening to make a big noise in the newspapers about what has happened, the consul says that Cunningham was only given $50,000, not $500,000!

Did Cunningham expect that he would get a large amount of money from the Consulate, preferably more than he negotiated with Bajano? What would have happened if the separatists actually got control of the guns? Did Cunningham expect their plot would fail?
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After Claire is kidnapped, a body of one of the separatists is found on the lawn, shot by Cunningham. But this guy was already dead prior to the kidnapping, because traces of his blood are found in the kidnappers' van. According to McGarrett, who has a brainstorm in the final act, he was shot with Cunningham's gun hours before, and then dumped on the lawn as part of the elaborate plot. It isn't specifically said if Cunningham shot him, but one wonders who this dead guy was? A martyr for the cause?
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When McGarrett and Danno are following Cunningham around Honolulu with other members of the Five-O team in order to be led to the hideout where Claire is being held, they are using a map. Why?

Added: Monday 05 November 2012 18:45:32 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Ahh, I see. Thanks, Big H. So whether one is Arnold Schwarzenegger or Jackie Chan or Muammar Gaddafi one could still be a "Rosenstadt". Got it. :D

I think Ed's theory is the more sound one. :) That's what I was thinking.

Added: Monday 05 November 2012 18:00:49 MST


Submitted by: Ed
From: Honolulu

Ringfire said "As far as Danny Kamekona (subtitles spell this Kamakona, BTW) being called "Dr. Rosenstadt" is concerned, he is only called this in the end titles."

This is something I noticed on quite a few occasions - where the name in the end credits is something completely different than what the person was actually called. My question is where did these names in the end credits come from? I mean where did "Rosenstadt" come from when there is no mention of a name like this anywhere in the episode? I can understand someone erroneously crediting him in the end credits as Dr. Kamakena or Dr. Komakono or something like that. Or simply "Doctor" or "Psychiatrist" if they missed what he was called in the episode. But "Rosenstadt"? Does the man look like a Rosenstadt? Is *any* character in the episode called Rosenstadt? So what gives?

It would be my guess that the name "Dr. Rosenstadt" was in the original script. For some reason, Danny Kamekona was hire to play the part. At that point,Dr. Rosenstadt just did not seem to fit (with his Asian-American look). So they just went with Dr. Kamekona. The change was probably not made to the script and the people creating the end titles just worked from the original script.

Added: Monday 05 November 2012 15:09:19 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

Ringfire brought up an interesting point on the character of Dr. Rosenstadt in RIP, Somebody....>>>"I mean where did "Rosenstadt" come from when there is no mention of a name like this anywhere in the episode? I can understand someone erroneously crediting him in the end credits as Dr. Kamakena or Dr. Komakono or something like that. Or simply "Doctor" or "Psychiatrist" if they missed what he was called in the episode. But "Rosenstadt"? Does the man look like a Rosenstadt? Is *any* character in the episode called Rosenstadt? So what gives?"

RF...I did a quick google just to try and get some background/ethnicity/geneology on this surname. Hope this bitly works>> http://bit.ly/TFXxs7

Basically the site says its a very tricky name to trace and its origins could come from practically anywhere...so, I guess ANYBODY could be a Rosenstadt...sort of like anybody could be a Smith or a Jones....or a Quigley. :D

Added: Monday 05 November 2012 10:53:29 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

Mr.Hiram...my guide now says it's the Halloween epy. Everyone, get your masks & candy back out. :!devil:

Added: Sunday 04 November 2012 19:27:29 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

Ringfire,

Starsky & Hutch was great during its' first two seasons. It had good stories and a lot of action during those seasons. The network crusade against TV violence really changed the show for the worst beginning with season three and into season four. During that period, there was much more emphasis on the relationship between the two detectives, and the stories became weaker and had a much lighter feel to them. Seasons 1 and 2 had the right balance and were very entertaining to watch.

I have always felt that the 1970s had the best police and detective series of any era. I also liked Mannix, Cannon, S.W.A.T., and several others from that time. It seems that each detective had a unique quirk then made them memorable, not to mention some great actors portraying them. Many of the characters on CSI and other shows now don't seem to have much personality.

I agree with you, though, that the original Hawaii Five-O was the best.

Added: Sunday 04 November 2012 13:13:55 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

>JS, Why spread negativity? Why punish yourself? (and others)

Yes, you are right. Watching Hawaii Five-O is punishing myself. But my negativity is no different from others who have posted here. If you "dig" this show, you probably threw your brain away.

But many adult people watch TV just to be brainlessy entertained--that's not me. With Internet, cell phone, etc people are losing the ability to relate to one another in real, human fashion, and just know superficial shallow relationships, and shows like this just push that even further.

Anyway, this forum is for honest, intelligent discussion, and if something sucks, well, thinking people will have to say so. If the thinking people leave, all you got is nonsense, pointless discussion that accomplishes nothing and is just a waste of time, right?

Added: Sunday 04 November 2012 00:31:12 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

the ads on tv show the Halloween one for monday nite

meh

PERSON OF INTEREST getting better and better and better.....

Added: Saturday 03 November 2012 16:32:10 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I've been catching up on STARSKY & HUTCH on DVD lately. I never saw the show when I was younger. I'm still going through season 1 right now (via Netflix) and it's a very good show. The episode that really impressed me (and I thought was very edgy) was "The Fix" where Robert Loggia guest-starred as a mobster who orders his underlings (one of them is Geoffrey Lewis) to inject Hutch with heroin as revenge for Hutch running away with the mobster's girl. Intense episode and fine acting by David Soul as he's agonizing in pain as he tries to fight the heroin in his system. Starsky & Huggy Bear keep pouring strong coffee into Hutch's mouth to help him battle the heroin. This episode aired back in 1975. I guess it was around 1976 or 1977 that the violence on TV was dialed back.

The 70s had some great cop shows. THE STREETS OF SAN FRANCISCO was another one - especially the first 3 seasons. Of course none of them could compete with FIVE-0 which was king of the cop shows as far as I'm concerned. Of course FIVE-0 had the added bonus of it being a state police unit which allowed much more variety in its stories: spies, kidnappers, serial killers, mobsters, vigilantes, assassinations, etc.

Added: Saturday 03 November 2012 13:59:06 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

JS, Why spread negativity? Why punish yourself? (and others) Just stay away from television programs, any and all, that you dislike. And allow those that enjoy some select TV fare, to in turn, appreciate that which they dig on a weekly basis.
I don't get it.

Added: Saturday 03 November 2012 13:40:20 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

Having just watched this week's CBS' cop show Blue Bloods, I am already cringing at the thought of the nonsense relationships I am going to see in Monday's Hawaii Five-0--it a given that is will be stupid. I will say that in advance of seeing it, because...I know it is true.

Added: Friday 02 November 2012 20:04:17 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

Mr.Hiram...my guide still says its a new ep about a bomb. The CBS affiliate here in Raleigh tends to rerun missed eps on the following Sat or Sunday night.

Added: Thursday 01 November 2012 19:08:42 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

will the Halloween show be seen next Monday? On tuesday , the episode was seen On Demand Time Warner Cable but Wed and today it was taken off (?).

Added: Thursday 01 November 2012 14:18:41 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"As far as Danny Kamekona (subtitles spell this Kamakona, BTW) being called "Dr. Rosenstadt" is concerned, he is only called this in the end titles."

This is something I noticed on quite a few occasions - where the name in the end credits is something completely different than what the person was actually called. My question is where did these names in the end credits come from? I mean where did "Rosenstadt" come from when there is no mention of a name like this anywhere in the episode? I can understand someone erroneously crediting him in the end credits as Dr. Kamakena or Dr. Komakono or something like that. Or simply "Doctor" or "Psychiatrist" if they missed what he was called in the episode. But "Rosenstadt"? Does the man look like a Rosenstadt? Is *any* character in the episode called Rosenstadt? So what gives?

I also recall in "Killer Bee" both guest stars David Arkin and Jeff Pomerantz in the end credits being credited as George Loomis and Ted Frazer, when in the actual episode it's George Loman and Ted Frazet (or Frazette). Not once is there a mention of Loomis or Frazer. Though granted at least here it's not as random as "Rosenstadt".

I seem to also recall a Nurse Tofu. ;)

Added: Thursday 01 November 2012 11:56:40 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chciago

>Not to be too cynical or anything, but you have to wonder >if the reason CBS pulled Five-O and replaced it with >storm coverage was

That what I initially thought too, but then sandy was a storm of historic proportions. It would be like CBS to do this as a news event, more to keep CBS setwork ratings up there as high as possible.

Added: Thursday 01 November 2012 07:54:35 MST


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