Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- November 2011

The Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- November 2011



The following are archived comments from November, 2011. After looking around, please add your own comments!

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Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

"Honore Vashon had McG's car rigged to blow-up in an attempt to kill him. McG's too smart, avoids death. Chin Ho has another identical black Merc sent over from the car pool. (Vashon gets mad and has failure/hit man/bomber totaled"

I haven't seen that episode yet, since I'm only on Season 4, but I can't wait. I did see "V For Vashon: The Patriarch," and couldn't help but cringe at the whole omission of the gunshot residue test. That would have cleared Steve. Plus, the loony citizens sending Manicote phonecalls and telegrams complaining about "trigger-happy cops." There were that many idiots in Hawaii who had so much love for a drug dealer? The guy was a drug dealer, for heaven's sake! He was no loss to the world. And Drew couldn't even fake being a phony witness. He changes his mind so quickly on the witness stand, that only a damn fool would believe he saw or heard anything.

I can picture this case going before Judge Judy, on the special occasion that she handles a murder case. She'd crucify Drew!

Added: Tuesday 29 November 2011 21:19:07 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

"Somebody to Love" would be from the group's Jefferson Airplane era. I listen a lot to the 60's channel on Sirius Satellite Radio. They occasionally play the Five-O theme. That channel's a trip - Like a time machine.

Added: Tuesday 29 November 2011 19:19:37 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

60s POP, ROCK & SOUL: MY MUSIC, seen on PBS December 3, 2011, 8:00 p.m. ET will feature many classic rock songs, including Hawaii Five-O played by The Ventures.

The show is an all-new concert spectacular hosted by beloved icons Peter Noone of Herman’s Hermits ("I’m Henry the Eighth, I Am") and Davy Jones of The Monkees ("Daydream Believer").

The special features hits and favorites of the AM radio era: Paul Revere & The Raiders ("Kicks"), Gary Lewis & The Playboys ("This Diamond Ring"), The Kingsmen ("Louie, Louie"), The Ventures ("Hawaii Five-O"), Question Mark & The Mysterians ("96 Tears") and Jefferson Starship ("Somebody to Love").

According to the blurb I received, "Every song is a classic from the decade of peace, love and profound social change — sung by performers who represent a period of time that resonates through the generations."

It doesn't say whether these songs will all be played by the original musicians as they are today (if they are still alive), or they will be videos from way back when.

Added: Tuesday 29 November 2011 18:57:21 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

“.....or Hollywood is simply running out of ideas.” …yes, that.

It’s at the point where this crappy re-boot has damaged the legacy of the original Five-O… google it. The re-boot dominates. Damage done.

Added: Tuesday 29 November 2011 18:49:56 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

"I always thought the black car was Steve's. The writers never made it clear whose it was."

Honore Vashon had McG's car rigged to blow-up in an attempt to kill him. McG's too smart, avoids death. Chin Ho has another identical black Merc sent over from the car pool. (Vashon gets mad and has failure/hit man/bomber totaled)

Added: Tuesday 29 November 2011 18:18:39 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Thanks for that, Big H. I don't think CBS could screw this one up like they did Hawaii Five-O, but if they given the track record with remakes, I don't have much hope that this will turn out well.

Thanks, H5O 1.0!

I always thought the black car was Steve's. The writers never made it clear whose it was. I can't picture him driving around in a pickup or jeep, even if it is to haul tools and equipment to fix up his boat!

At least the sail boat provided another dimension to Steve. He was a lover of the sea, having been in the navy, so it's natural for him to spend time sailing. Was that the same boat he said he inherited from a wealthy Chinese man in "Force of Waves"?

I think that "vengeance for Steve's father's death" theme in the new show is cliched and wasn't even developed well. People are praising the show for that backstory about Danno being divorced and trying to have a relationship with his child and ex-wife has been done on other shows - dramas as well as sitcoms - and it's not that original or interesting. With 50% of the marriages in this country ending in divorce, we don't need to turn on the TV to see these things.

I also think that fans of the new show are praising Kono a little too much. They will belittle everything Lori does, and then go on about how great Kono was, and even her character was not well-written from the start. She's a rookie cop, yet she is able to join this special task force, and she has sniper skills, which take years of training to acquire, and she can do is all this forensic evidence gathering, not to mention special technical work with tracking devices, and can beat up guys twice her size. Lori is labeled as a "Mary Sue" type, but Kono is applauded for everything she does. The Lori character is not well-written and Lauren German does not play her well, but these fans have to be practical when they are judging these characters.

Added: Tuesday 29 November 2011 16:28:46 MST


Submitted by: Thelma
From: TX

Well Big H, I think it's time for CBS to start trying something new because The November Sweeps are out , and Fox comes out on top for only the second time in the network's history. It had only happened in 2009. So something must not be working as expected for CBS.

If CBS doesn't start getting fresh ideas sooner than later, they can finish next May in 3rd place, because they are way closer now to ABC than to FOX right now.

Hate remakes! :!devil:

Added: Tuesday 29 November 2011 15:45:53 MST


Submitted by: Big H
From: North Fork, NV

Another remake possibly coming from CBS? http://bit.ly/vgEcAK

Evidently CBS is happy with the current remake and wants to capitalize on another.....or Hollywood is simply running out of ideas.

Added: Tuesday 29 November 2011 14:49:37 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Good points, Vrinda, although I like backstory. Not too much. You're right. The job must come first, and it is definitely overdone when the personal problems become the job; e.g., AOL's character's personal problems re: his father.

It was nice to see Danno at home in his apartment in "Beautiful Screamer" and "Journey Out of Limbo" and driving his Mustang in "Follow the White Brick Road." The decor was definitely Danno: organized, conservative, and reflecting his learned background.

We only saw McGarrett at home when he was protecting Chelsea Merriman at his beach house in "Sing a Song of Suspense," but the decor was probably rented with the house and not of his choosing. After all, wouldn't a Navy commander / Five-0 chief have a home befitting his title, perhaps (like his office) with pictures and models of ships, some Hawaiian koa and tiki carvings, etc.? I think so.

What did McGarrett drive when he wasn't on duty? The big, black Mercurys surely belonged to the state. Did he not want a Jeep Grand Wagoneer in which to carry accoutrements for his sailboat (or even to tow his sailboat) or maybe a Jeep Wrangler in which to drive the mountain trails or...???

No wonder so much fan fiction is written.

P.S. Vrinda, hope to "see" you on Saturday.

Added: Tuesday 29 November 2011 14:27:43 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Thanks for the reminder, H5O!

Mike, thank you for posting information on the story-writing challenge on the main page.

Other topic:

Many people complain that the characters on the original show were not developed. I say the opposite, but I wonder what these people are inferring. When people say that the characters are not developed, are they whining that there are no soap-operish sidestories with their relatives dropping in, or are these viewers expecting extensive biographical information, otherwise they won't relate to the character or find them interesting?

What I find overdone is how modern shows tells us too much about the characters. We don't need to know about all their current and former girlfriends/boyfriends, all their siblings, their personal tragedies from when they were 5,8,12, or 19, their domestic problems, exactly where they lived at each age, etc. These characters don't have to have constant personal problems to battle - drug/alcohol addiction, unsuccessul love life, unsolved murder of a relative or friend, etc. They also show these characters socializing too much, as if their work - which is the basis of the storyline - is a side thing.

Granted, personal conflicts allow the actor to show more range than they would if they're character was only seen through the context of his or her work but, often, the main storylines and premise of the show are lost when all these personal sidestories creep in and flood the show.

It's alright for there to be some background information on the characters, but we don't need an entire dossier of information in the pilot episode. Also, as a show goes past it's first season, continuity is not maintained, making all this information given earlier seem meaningless.

Added: Tuesday 29 November 2011 12:20:16 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Hi, Mike!

May I post an announcement for Part 3 of The Great Five-0 Weekend Writing Challenge? Here's the listing. Mahalo!

The Great Five-0 Weekend Writing Challenge

Part 3
“The Case of the Rising Sun”

Join us as we bring this exciting mystery to a conclusion.

When: Saturday and Sunday, December 3-4, 2011

Where: Guestbook, www.memoriesofhawaiifive-0.com

Be there! Aloha!

Added: Monday 28 November 2011 18:38:21 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

gonna search best buy in a couple weeks for 5-0 season 12. who knows , it could be out in BB earlier than jan 10

whatta surprise , CBS video releasing 1988 season of MISSION IMPOSSIBLE tomorrow! that was not a bad season

Added: Monday 28 November 2011 14:29:39 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

I did say I wasn't sure. The only other one I can think of is the one with Greg Grunberg.

Added: Monday 28 November 2011 13:32:59 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Vrinda, the show with the credit card business was not the recent one with the plastic surgery and the Irish Mafia guy, it was some time ago.

Added: Monday 28 November 2011 12:55:17 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

"I think there's a torture scene in one of the "LETHAL WEAPON" outings exactly like that too, but Gibson does a much better job selling the torture (which I don't think AOL has watched)."

Now that you said it, Alex did not show much emotion in that torture scene. When they closed the door to the torture rom, and you could only hear them, Alex let out a lot of screams, but when you saw him, he had this tired look on his face, not the look of someone in pain.

I remember when Jack was being tortured in Nine Dragons, or James in Deadly Courier. They showed pain and fear, and you felt sorry for them. I don't see the same emotions in Alex in that torture scene, and I didn't feel sympathy for him.

Added: Monday 28 November 2011 12:28:18 MST


Submitted by: Big H
From: The DMZ....

Bill says>>"Going beyond the post, the McGarrett torture scenes were similar to the Pierce Brosnan torture scenes (incorporated into Die Another Day's main titles)"

I think there's a torture scene in one of the "LETHAL WEAPON" outings exactly like that too, but Gibson does a much better job selling the torture (which I don't think AOL has watched).

Added: Monday 28 November 2011 11:08:24 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

That was why I asked, since all I remember was her using the supercomputer to trace where the key card came from. I think this was the episode with the Irish Mafia and the guy who got plastic surgery, but I can't be sure. That tells how much of this show remains in our memories after we see it.

I remembered Joe taking that bag of badges and putting it on top of those packages. I thought that it didn't make sense either. They could have met in a room at their headquarters, gathered the badges there and left them there, then went to the airport.

This reminds me of the intelligence and sabotage assignments on Hogan's Heroes, even though this was a comedy show and the characters were not working with the kind of advanced equipment the characters on this show have. Hogan and his men pulled off those capers in a more convincing manner than the new Five-O team.

Added: Monday 28 November 2011 11:07:26 MST


Submitted by: Big H
From: A secret hideout in N. Korea

Rainbow, will check it out tonight, but you've prob uncovered yet another (of a million!) continuity errors of classic 5-0.

Got a lot of catchup reading below on last week's ep, however, I think we need to brace ourselves for the Weston/McGarrett hookup that seems imminent. Did you guys see the "puppy-faced" glances they shot at each other at the end? Arrgghh...:!headbang:

Also, anyone catch that song/artist that Buffett slammed into the 8-track (!?!?!) as the rescue team took off in the Huey? (the first take-off)

Added: Monday 28 November 2011 10:37:43 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Rainbow Warrior,

There are all kinds of discrepancies where McGarrett's office is concerned. Early in the series, we see Steve (and Tommy Mala) using the jibe windows on what is supposed to be the north side of the palace, since we can see the new state capitol building across the way.

Then, in "The Bomber and Mrs. Moroney," we see activity taking place through the same window, with the HPD's Sgt. Olena in position to shoot the bomber from across the street. If that is to be credible, that same wall must be facing either to the south, in which case the Ali`Iolani Hale (remake HQ) is the building in question, or to the west, in which case the YWCA is the building in question. In either case, the state capitol building is strangely missing.

At some point, the jibe window behind McGarrett's desk becomes a pair of French doors. And, after that, the wall where the white couch sat before, suddenly bears a second pair of French doors.

And, then, to add more interest to the issue, when a scene in McGarrett's office is being introduced from outside the palace, the camera pans up to the turret in the southeast corner of the palace; that is, to Queen Lili`uokalani's bedroom.

In "Cocoon," McGarrett comes up the stairs, crosses the center hall, and enters the Five-0 offices on the east side of the building, giving credence to the idea that the detectives' cubicles are in Queen Lili`uokalani's bedroom, while his office is in the southeast turrett (No chance, bruddah! The turret is much too small).

And, then, in "Rest in Peace, Somebody," McGarrett comes up the stairs and unlocks the door into the center room on the west side of the palace; that is, King Kalakaua's library.

Re: Tommy Mala's making his way to the second storey, he would, indeed, have to be a monkey. There is no outside staircase by which he could have come up. But, then, the lanai doesn't wrap around the corners of the palace, and McGarrett's office is too large to be in one of the turrets, which actually do occupy the corner positions on all four sides.

So, what we have is a case of McGarrett's musical offices. With the help of a sound stage and some fancy camera work (and probably a hope that we pathetic mainlanders don't know the palace from the train station), McGarrett's office can be wherever it needs to be to suit the occasion. Irritating, to say the least, to those of us who know better.

Ah! The miracles (or curses) of television.

Added: Monday 28 November 2011 10:17:13 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Vrinda, that scene where Chin told Kono about the credit cards was not using the supercomputer, it was actually in the hotel. I can't remember specifically which episode this was. I recall someone on IMDB was the one who brought up the fact that this discussion between Chin and Kono was stupid. I don't have the time to go back and check every episode to find this scene, but I recall it was there, though when and if I do find the episode, I'm sure I will be proved wrong in some way. As far as the "team" going to North Korea with their medical supplies was concerned, even I could figure out they were going to South Korea and their cover was a "humanitarian mission" rather than gung-ho military types who are going to break all the rules to rescue their pal McGarrett. There is no way North Korea would let anyone into the country as part of a "humanitarian mission" without tons of behind-the-scenes politicking and paperwork. I think it is a lot easier to get medical supplies to Cuba (another international pariah as far as the US is concerned) than North Korea!

Added: Monday 28 November 2011 08:10:29 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

I need help from Vrinda, H5O Forever, Elaine, Big Chicken, Big H, Ringfire, or whoever else can answer this. I'm watching "Run Johnny Run!" from S2 -1/14/70 and McGARRETT is in his office on the balcony outside to the left of his desk, and he is pacing on the balcony outside for the first time in the old show's run. He then walks the length of the balcony outside and comes into the office through the doorway behind the great big model ship that is in his office. Kono comes in with some food and asks Steve what he is doing up so late and Steve tells him he is waiting for Johnny's mother to call him and tell him where John is hiding. Kono tells Steve she will not tell him because the Navy and the police are not native Hawaiians and a native will never trust a non-native. Steve says "Troubles of the world Kono." The next scene McGarrett is lying on the white couch in his office when Johnny's little brother comes climbing onto the balcony and through the same doorway that Steve entered his office through before Kono came in. He wakes up Steve and says "My mother sent me." How does Johnny's little brother get onto the balcony? Is he Spiderman? Does he climb up the walls of the Palace and onto the balcony? The scene doesn't make sense. For those who know the layout of the Palace, is Steve's office at ground floor level where it is nothing for him to climb over the balcony? That doesn't make sense as the establishing shots of McGarrett's office always show it high up in the building, so if this is true the only way that Johnny's little brother can get to Mcg's office and onto the balcony is by scaling the walls like a mountain climber! Almost impossible. Please help explain this scene to me! :!thinking:

Added: Monday 28 November 2011 07:44:00 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

I'm sure the person on the IMDb to whom you were referring might have been sarcastic, but there were some real idiots on there. I pointed out how it would be impossible to fly into North Korea undetected, and not get shot down. I wrote:

"For example, how can the Five-O team and the Navy Seals fly from South Korea into North Korea without being detected? North Korea is heavily guarded, and no one can get in, either on foot or by plane, and not be captured. In real life, that helicopter would have been shot down."

A girl wrote back:

"But they didn't fly into NK undetected. You must have missed the part when they first got on the plane in Hawaii, where it was clearly explained by Joe White that for all intents and purposes they were going into North Korea on a "relief effort" or "humanitarian mission" (or something like that). Hence the pallets of first aid supplies etc. They may have duped the Korean Government but not by flying in undetected."

Someone corrected her and told her that Joe White said they were flying to South Korea. The girl remembered it then, but it reminded me of how confusingly-written this show is, and how everything happens so fast, that even when you try to pay attention, you miss something, and have to record it and replay it in order to fill in the blanks.

There were people on the IMDb who didn't know that North Korea is heavily-guarded. That's just chalked up to their ignorance of history and current events.

I remember the hotel key card scene in that other episode, but only the part where Kono places the card on the tabletop computer, and it tells them not only which room the key opens, but what hotel. If you know anyone who has stayed in a hotel or stayed in one yourself, those hotel key cards have the numbers written on the back. Maybe they have a machine that can scan stripe on the back to tell them what room it is if it is not written there, but I don't know about that.

What did Chin explain to her that was insulting to the audience's intelligence?

I don't remember the old show doing this kind of nonsense. There were some silly or dull episodes, but those were not in the same amount as what I've seen on the first season of the new show, or in the current season. On the original show, there was no episode where simple things had to be explained to the audience as if they were little kids or people who had never left their houses in their lives. If something was explained, it was something that is not common knowledge, like forensic or medical information, or things pertaining to legal, financial, or political issues.

Added: Sunday 27 November 2011 22:17:57 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I think the person suggesting on the IMDB that they were flying back to Hawaii from Korea was being sarcastic. But if you look at a map of Korea in the area of Kaesong (the city near where the action takes place -- mistaken by some for Khe Sanh, Vietnam, by the way!), there is a body of water to the south of it, but not the kind of water where "as far as the eye can see" there is nothing on the horizon. It wouldn't make sense for Bama to be flying all the way from this area around the end of the DMZ on the west (where there is the Yellow Sea) -- he would want to get out of the country ASAP.

What annoys me about much of the writing on the new Five-O is they are constantly assuming that the audience is stupid. Probably the worst example of this was in one episode where Chin Ho was explaining to Kono some aspect of how those credit card "keys" work for hotel rooms because this had some particular relevance to the plot. Anyone with half a brain cell who has ever stayed in a hotel using these kind of "keys" could have figured this out.

However, this fault with the writing is not exclusively Five-O's by a long shot. Many TV shows these days suffer from this, because typical "traditional" TV plots are pretty well exhausted, so the writers have to come up with more weird and wacky ways of entertaining the viewers. A particularly bad example of this is the doctor show "House," which I only watched for the first couple of seasons. It seemed like every week the writers would pore through medical books to find some incredibly bizarre disease or condition which was the main "problem" that week which House, being a very clever guy, could figure out the patient had, and save the day (and the patient).

Can you think of any examples in the old show where things had to be explained to the viewer because they couldn't "get it"?

Added: Sunday 27 November 2011 18:08:39 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Since they were in North Korea, they had to have been flying back to South Korea. That was where Jimmy Buffett's character was living, and that was where Kono was when she was sitting on the front porch of that house.

There were six Navy Seals - Jow White, David Keith's character, and four others. Some of those men were smaller than David and Terry O'Quinn.

A lot of things on this show are not explained, when they should be. I can understand that not everything needs to be told or shown, and that some things can be left up to the viewer, but when establishing a character's location (Kono when she was sitting on that porch, tracking Wo Fat's location on that lab top), was it Jimmy Buffett's house or somewhere else in South Korea? The overturned burning truck should have been explained somehow. These things just don't turn up out of nowhere.

The way this show is filmed, in such a fast-paced way, with loud music to drown out the dialogue so no one knows what the characters are talking about, and shooting, car chases, and/or fighting and explosions at every turn, it doesn't allow for much time for the characters to explain anything or even to show them setting up any of these traps or diversions.

Added: Sunday 27 November 2011 17:00:58 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Bill, the entire episode of "The Mike Douglas Show" on which Jack appeared can be viewed on You Tube. Here are the links to the three parts:

Part 1 - http://bit.ly/uSDJLv
Part 2 - http://bit.ly/ugNYDw
Part 3 - http://bit.ly/vFSD0m

I have links to a number of shows on which Jack appeared on my website, Remembering Jack Lord. Here's the link:
http://bit.ly/ub5xAb

Hope this helps.

Mike, the new show folks just don't get it. Credibility gaps only work to a point. So sad.

Added: Sunday 27 November 2011 16:13:53 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

well

david keith looks Huge-r than before

:!thinking:

Added: Sunday 27 November 2011 15:36:59 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I actually watched the last show again today and found more stupid things. When Wo Fat is retreating, having had his convoy partially blown up by Lori, he is met by Terry O'Quinn and the merry band who have overturned a vehicle on the road and set it on fire. The big question is: where did they get this vehicle? Maybe it was sitting around by Wo's compound? How could they turn it over? There were only maybe half a dozen guys. Are Navy SEALS >that< strong? Also, before they fly off to Korea, O'Quinn asks the team for their badges, because they don't want to be "compromised" if their true identies are known. But what does he do with the badges? He puts them in a bag and throws it on top of a pallet of medical supplies which are going to be loaded on to the plane! DUH! At the end of the show, Buffett's ramshackle helicopter is seen flying over the ocean. Some people on the IMDB were speculating that they were flying back from Korea to Hawaii, leaving poor Kono sitting on the front porch at Buffett's house! I don't think so.

Added: Sunday 27 November 2011 14:58:50 MST


Submitted by: Bill Koenig
From: Detroit area

Start of a 1969 installment of The Mike Douglas Show, with Gwen Virdon as co-host and Jack Lord as a guest. He makes a brief reference to King of the Hill and gives Mike Douglas one of his paintings. Other guests included Lionel Hampton and Paddy Chayefsky.

http://bit.ly/slvxGW

Added: Sunday 27 November 2011 08:20:02 MST


Submitted by: KDMCG
From: Hawaii..let's rush it...

@Vrinda. True. That's just the nature of the show--too much being crammed-sometimes better to do a two-parter.

There were some nice touches, but again, many holes.

Added: Saturday 26 November 2011 13:47:28 MST


Submitted by: Otto
From: NYC

Recent sightings of Five-O alumni: John Randolph (Just Lucky, I Guess), in disaster classic: EARTHQUAKE. Yaphet Kotto (King of the Hill), in BLUE COLLAR, which had a bonus alumnus, Milton Selzer, who wasn't featured quite enough considering his talent, but who was listed in credits as "Sumabitch"!!!

Added: Saturday 26 November 2011 10:14:12 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Hi KD,

Yes, that was Doug Mossman. The problem is, we don't know what relation his character was to the victim. I think he was her landlord, but they never say.

Yes, there was a lot of action, but I wish it was believable and not just action for action's sake.

Added: Friday 25 November 2011 23:13:14 MST


Submitted by: KDMCG
From: Doug Mossman guest star?

Just watching this week's episode. Was that Doug Mossman-a nod to the original? So far, an action-packed episode.

Added: Friday 25 November 2011 20:12:43 MST


Submitted by: Bill Koenig
From: Detroit area

Follow-up HMSS post, visually comparing the Nov. 21 Five-0 episode with Die Another Day.

http://bit.ly/ustz2t

Added: Thursday 24 November 2011 09:10:14 MST


Submitted by: AJ
From: NY

... and what episode will I be sure to watch on Thanksgiving?

"Turkey Shoot at Makapuu" (S8/E20), of course!

:!rock:

Added: Wednesday 23 November 2011 20:21:43 MST


Submitted by: Bill Koenig
From: Detroit area

At the HMSS Weblog (primarily a James Bond blog but other things, including Five-O/Five-0 are covered), we had a post about the Nov. 21 episode, mostly focusing on the similarities with the 2002 007 film Die Another Day:

http://bit.ly/vd0ttL

Going beyond the post, the McGarrett torture scenes were similar to the Pierce Brosnan torture scenes (incorporated into Die Another Day's main titles) and the Five-0 scenes in North Korea had a darkened washed-out look while the scenes in Hawaii did not. In Die Another Day, its Korean scenes used a similar technique (director Lee Tamahori, on a commentary track on the DVD, mentions it) while later scenes were all bright and colorful.

Added: Wednesday 23 November 2011 20:13:17 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

I think some of his middle-aged female fans are already up in arms: http://imdb.to/tThSS6

That ridiculous JudeDeveraux is in denial!

If Alex has a new girlfriend, good for him. If those older female fans are upset, that's their problem. I bet they'll start trashing the girl even more if the relationship continues.

It reminds me of how girls sent Patti Boyd death threats when she started dating George Harrison in the '60s. Even the other Beatle wives and girlfriends got the same abuse. Back then, there was no internet and this was the only way the jealous fans could think of to have their voices heard, though not the most ethical. These women today have the Internet, and they can trash Maila Jones all they want without her knowing, making them even more cowardly.

HAPPY THANKSGIVING, EVERYONE!!!!!!!!

Added: Wednesday 23 November 2011 16:24:16 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

As a middle-aged woman with a Five-0 website, let me wish everyone a Happy Thanksgiving. No matter where we live or how things are going in our lives, we all have much for which to be thankful each and every day.

You will not find criticism of the remake on my site. Our scope is limited to the original series, and we look for the good in it. The only problem is that there is so much good about it that we have trouble capturing it all - but that's our shortcoming, not the show's.

As for the cowlick, I think that's probably the true explanation for the curl. I wish I had thought of it. Thanks for pointing it out.

Added: Wednesday 23 November 2011 15:59:10 MST


Submitted by: Thelma
From: Texas

I think those news have ruined the holidays for those middle-aged woman that run the Hawaii 50 sites. Sadly, it is very possible they will stop picking on the new girl in the show now and start picking on the real girl in the actor's life Poor girls, Bummer.

Added: Wednesday 23 November 2011 14:30:56 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

i was gonna ask where is Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa soooooo good in last year's BEGINNING episode. but i see dec 5, there he is!

HAPPY THANKSGIVING MY FRIENDS!

Added: Wednesday 23 November 2011 14:16:40 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The next show (on December 5th) looks interesting .. but then I said that in advance about Monday's Thanksgiving turkey!

"Pahele" – McGarrett and Five-0 search for a busload of kidnapped school children as well as the people responsible (shades of Clint Eastwood's Dirty Harry). Ingo Rademacher ("General Hospital") guest stars as the father of one of the missing children.

"Pahele" is Hawaiian for "Trapped."

Guest cast includes:

Terry O'Quinn -- Joe White
Richard T. Jones -- Gov. Sam Danning
Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa -- Hiro Noshimuri

I know nothing about this Rademacher guy, other than he is a German-born soap opera star. Is he going to be for the new show what Eric Braeden was for the old one?

Oh yeah, there is news about AOL falling in love with some Hawaiian woman all over the place this morning. What will the reaction be from AOL's typical middle-aged female fans?

http://bit.ly/vkAc7q

Added: Wednesday 23 November 2011 12:27:24 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The Lori character is essentially useless. She reminds me of the equally useless character Connie Stevens played in Hawaiian Eye, the precursor to Five-O back in the early sixties. Does Lauren German have a good singing voice? Maybe she can entertain people at Kamekona's Shrimp Shack, sort of like Stevens did at the "Shell Bar" in the earlier show.

Added: Wednesday 23 November 2011 10:25:54 MST


Submitted by: AJ
From: NY

That "curl" in Jack Lord's hair is a natural "cowlick" (I have no idea how it came to be named that)... I have had the same thing since childhood... I remember my late father slathering on a half-tube of Brylcreem on my hair in a futile attempt to make it stay in place for a portrait (at about age 6). I wound up looking like I hadn't had my hair washed in about six months... but the cowlick still won out!

Now, I just let it be... :!emo:

Added: Tuesday 22 November 2011 21:37:16 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Some guy sends me interesting comments on last night's show:

How come the team that went into rescue Steve had Russian weapons -- AK-47’s, etc.?

How come Wo Fat’s crew was escaping in U.S.-built vehicles?

When Lori was shooting the rocket at the truck in Wo Fat’s group, how did she know that Steve was NOT in that truck?

No way that a helicopter from South Korea is just going to fly into North Korea ... come on! North Korea will shoot down any aircraft that EVEN THINKS about violating North Korean airspace at ANY altitude.

Added: Tuesday 22 November 2011 18:27:50 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

I remember reading a comment from Cherie Huffman, Jack's hairstylist, who said that Jack liked his hair styled neatly, so she styled it neatly. The place where I read that comment didn't give any more comments from her on Jack's hair, like how she came to style it that way, so I'm still not sure the style came about.

Added: Tuesday 22 November 2011 17:50:28 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

No, Big H. I didn't think you meant Jack invented the curl. Actually, the curl in Kookie's picture isn't REALLY a curl. Maybe Jack got it from Elvis? I have no idea. As you said, it was probably the hairdresser's - and, as they used to say, only his hairdresser knows for sure. LOL

Added: Tuesday 22 November 2011 15:56:15 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

last nite's show shoulda been TV-MA and better suited for FX channel. wo fat's pummeling of McG---wow! still i would have loved to see jumping frogs and snakes a la 9 DRAGONS. how come mark doesn't do that to the Iron Chefs on Food Network? lol

show is a C. lori and McG possible love interest, hmmmmm. i dunno. i do admit lori is a cutie and i shall miss jenna -RIP. and Reiko Aylesworth is a hottie too, too brief last nite, mike this shoulda been a 2 parter! NCIS has great 2 parters like last season's classic ENEMIES FOREIGN ENEMIES DOMESTIC.

all scrunched up to 42 mins. very fast teaser which sorta ripped off the under the bed snatching in TAKEN.

i have a feeling a future wedding with chin and malia will be rudely and violently interrupted by wo fat. when McG & Wo Fat have their WOE TO WO FAT fight moment in the future, their battle will be much more brutal.

now time for a breather and reruns next week .

Added: Tuesday 22 November 2011 14:46:48 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Hi Gem, you weren't imagining things. Lori acting as a watchdog for the governor was never done since the governor mentioned it to her when he hired her. Given the turn of events in last night's episode, she would have a lot to report to him.

Added: Tuesday 22 November 2011 12:57:21 MST


Submitted by: Gem
From: Ohio USA

Speaking of the Lori character, I thought she was supposed to be keeping the team in line or spying on them for the Governor or something. What happened to that plot line? Maybe that was explained when I got bored and wandered away to make the kids' lunches.

Added: Tuesday 22 November 2011 11:47:41 MST


Submitted by: Big H
From: NC

H50 1.0 F says>> "I always thought the curl started with Edd "Kookie" Byrnes on "77 Sunset Strip" (late-1950s)."

Forever, I wasn't implying that Lord invented the curl as a style. If you re-read my comments, I was trying to say that I think Lord only wore the curl on Five-0 (probably b/c of the 5-0 hair stylist). I don't remember him sporting the curl pre-Five-0, but could be wrong. :!wondering:

Haven't watch last night's ep yet, but from the spoilers here it sounds like Jenna got whacked. Knew that was coming the minute she was paired with Fat as a traitor/spy inside the 5-0 team. Dead woman walking....

Added: Tuesday 22 November 2011 11:20:03 MST


Submitted by: Julia
From: San Fernando, CA

I didnt' watch the remake last night, so I cannot comment about it. But I did watched a short promo of McGarrett with a cord around his neck and the fearful look he usually has in his eyes.He is so bland .Sigh.

Anyway, yesterday the show had again to face some competition because ABC went back to the regular schedule with Castle,and as as expected Hawaii Five-0 tumbled 15% vs. last week.

Added: Tuesday 22 November 2011 10:52:17 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Boy, do some people really hate Lori in the IMDB discussions. Here is one example:

[A]ll I kept thinking watching last nights show[:] Draw a face on a popsicle stick glue on some hair and it could easily replace her. Sad thing is, I really liked the episode except for her as usually. Plus that hug! I was totally grossed out! If they make her Steve's love interest I won't be able to watch anymore, ewww. And it's not because I don't think he should be with anyone, I liked the navy girl he saw off and on. Lori is just a terrible character and she has no chemistry with Steve.

Added: Tuesday 22 November 2011 10:35:37 MST


Submitted by: Elaine
From: Watertown

Mr. Mike: I have to agree...last night's ep of the new Five-zero reminded me a lot of the A-team, or how about Mission Impossible. I only watched the show because I am a Parrotthead from way back and when I saw my Marguerita Man in the coming attractions, I made the effort to watch. I thought Danny's remark about him "being a Marguerita Man" was pretty lame, but hey, what else is new about this show?

I wasn't surprised when Jenna got chopped. It had to be....because she was a traitor, after all; she put the good of the one (Josh) ahead of the good of the many...and so, she had to be written out...

Rainbow Warrior - yeah, we often agree on many things, but I was surprised that you thought I was "impressed" by the Irish Mob scenario...far from it...I thought the plot was confusing and typical of the way this show has been written....but being home-bred here, I felt a connection to Castle Island...since this is where my mom and dad "courted" during the depression when they didn't have two nickels to rub together. We made weekly family trips to Castle Island for the terrific Sullivan's hot dogs, fries and onion rings. My sister and I played on the grassy slopes around Fort Independence, so to hear Castle named in a TV program pleased me....that's all I meant to impart in that last post. I still don't know why the Irish Mob would be after that Dude in Hawaii.

As for the Red Sox....I HATE baseball....The Sox have a history of disappointing their die-hard fans over the years since the Bambino left his curse on them sooooo many years ago...but I don't follow baseball at all, so I wouldn't have watched the World Series if I'd have been paid....

Working my way through Season One again and watched The Ways of Love last night. McGarrett was so cool as Steve Crowley...dancing in the jail and playing the hipster...My sister noted that his chinos were pretty tight....h'mmm....good bun shots! I believe his sunglasses were Foster Grants but it's only a guess.

Have a great Thanksgiving everyone and remember what we all have to be grateful for....our freedom has, and never will, come cheap....

Aloha!

Added: Tuesday 22 November 2011 08:47:29 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I did not like last night's show at all. So far I have resisted being one of the "this new show is pissing all over the sacred body of work that was the old Five-O" crowd, but this show not only pissed over that, but all over itself as well (even more than the Hallowe'en episode). The way Terry O'Quinn led his comic book band of fighters into North Korea reminded me of The A-Team (especially with the participation of Commander Wade Gutches who is stereotypically gung-ho military enough) ... or even Scooby-Doo. This episode really should have been a two-hour show, in which case it might have succeeded ... MAYBE. Trying to compress this much material into 42 minutes was absurd, and script logic was totally thrown to the winds. For example, after the reporter is murdered at the beginning of the show, some guy was seen being interrogated in the usual blue-lit room. Who was this guy? He sounded like another member of the Irish Mafia, but based on his name that Danno said, he was not seen previously. I rewound the show for several minutes prior to his appearance, but couldn't figure out who he was. Are they going to drag in some Irish Mafia guy every time they need to resolve plot points? Then there was the Doug Mossman character (nice to see him). Was he the owner of the house, some rental agent, the caretaker, or what? I couldn't believe the way the characters jumped on a plane for South and North Korea with all the preparation of taking a trip to the mall to buy a quart of milk. And since when did the Five-O team get the knowledge to operate rocket launchers, heavy duty artillery and so forth? And then there is the location of North Korea. I was under the impression that North Korea was one of the most repressive and highly regulated countries in the world, but what ... we have "rebels" in North Korea (the ones who captured Jenna's fiancé)? Huh? If someone tried to "invade" North Korea in real life, they would have been vaporized within a few seconds. Inasmuch as I am getting tired of Wo Fat being an even bigger Superman than McGarrett (who in this episode turned into Houdini as well), I was glad to see him finally on the run at the end of the show. But, of course, this will just make Wo even more motivated to come up with typically diabolical schemes and McGarrett equally motivated after the Nine Dragons-like torture that he endured. This was real twenty-first century torture, nasty and sadistic, with the demise of Jenna being a particular shocker. Chin Ho was seen seriously reviving his relationship with Malia at the beginning of the show, only to be called away to work (this is becoming an ongoing cliché). The way Reiko Aylesworth's character is being featured in such a sweet way only makes me think that she will meet a horrible end like she did in "24."

Added: Tuesday 22 November 2011 07:36:18 MST


Submitted by: Gem
From: Ohio, USA

After watching last part of 1st season & all of 2nd season of new H50, I still don't "know" the characters. For example, I can think of 5 adjectives off the top of my head to describe the original characters. McGarrett: intense, commanding, impatient, dedicated, confident. Danny: personable, eager-to-please, loyal, steadfast, self-doubting. Chin Ho: paternal, wise, experienced, calm, voice-of-reason. McGarrett was such a strong character that I can think of about 20 more adjectives for him.

For the new show, the only character I can describe is Danny and most of those adjectives are bad: insubordinate, complainer, self-absorbed, talkative. On the good side, he is sympathetic to kids.

As far as lines defining the character, the old Kono rarely had lines and yet I knew his character: funny, laid-back, insightful, hungry, sympathetic in general.

If I knew and liked the characters on the new show, it would make up for a lot of bad writing in my book.

Added: Tuesday 22 November 2011 07:10:04 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

I actually thought this week's episode was pretty good. Glad to see Larisa Oleynik back. I didn't like her much when she first appeared last season but she grew on me. Sorry to see her go. And it was good to see Doug Mossman even if only for a short scene.

Added: Tuesday 22 November 2011 00:04:17 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Thanks, Chicken! I do what I can! :!cool:

Added: Monday 21 November 2011 23:22:07 MST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Seattle

Hey Elaine, thanks for the shout out. Maybe it was due to filmin in that warehouse, but I always thought that sweaty Chicken definitely added to the oily dope pusher quotient of the portrayal. That and Chicken immersin hisself in them 60s motifs, utterin them ‘peace’ pronouncements

“Everybody has to pay, Annie. It costs me, it costs you. I wish it was free.”

Rainbow Warrior, Vrinda - dig the chat bout “Blind Tiger”. Think your take on nurse Lavallo be spot on, Vrinda. Considerin her turn in “Tiger” I was always taken with how Steve put the screws to her in Season 4’s “Air Cargo” where she appear as Anita Putnum. McG’s ice-cold, full throttle interrogation of her gots to rank as one a Chicken’s fave McGarrett scenes:

“What was the new number they used? The New Number! NO! No – No, (Jack jaw clench) No deals.”

Added: Monday 21 November 2011 23:14:19 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Bananapiehl, you're not alone.

Scott Caan's hand gesturing got on my nerves today. He also comes across as very nervous and stammers when he tries to be serious, too. Neither he nor Alex are able to speak loudly and clearly, either. They mumble, and with the loud backround music, it makes it even harder to hear them.

Added: Monday 21 November 2011 22:16:12 MST


Submitted by: bananapiehl
From: Minnesota

I think that Hawaii 5-0 is one the worst shows in terms of acting on television today. Scott Caan, in particular, has to be one the worst actors ever to hit the television screen. First of all, he is way to short and uses way to many hand gestures when he has a speaking line. Alex O'Loughlin isn't much better with his repeating every thing that is ever said to him when spoken to. Jack Lord would NOT have been proud of this remake.

Added: Monday 21 November 2011 22:00:45 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Yes, I was thinking of Edd when I read your previous post. He gave Brylcreem a lot of business. (My dad got an offer to do a commercial for them back in the '60s, but he declined because he didn't want to use the product).

Re: Nurse Lavallo: We don't know if she heard about the mistaken identity with Nurse Feinberg, because it all happened within the course of a few minutes. I think it was insecurity, though. However, given Steve's wanting to meet her and that he would still be in the hospital for a while, I doubt that he would never come to know who she really is.

Added: Monday 21 November 2011 21:20:00 MST


Submitted by: D Pettis
From: Maryland

Absolutely love the series. The episode, "Deceiver" which aired this evening, Nov 21, is by far my favorite. :)

Added: Monday 21 November 2011 21:13:01 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Re: tonight's show, didn't Magnum do that 30 years ago?

Added: Monday 21 November 2011 21:01:24 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

I always thought the curl started with Edd "Kookie" Byrnes on "77 Sunset Strip" (late-1950s).

See a picture: http://bit.ly/v8p3VZ

___________________

Re: Nurse Lavallo, I think Mike is right about the issue of patient / nurse relationships, but I think it goes beyond that. If he had shown any interest in her, at all, when he walked past, she might have felt differently, but he just gave a courteous nod and kept going. Maybe she WAS insecure and see how the top cop possibly could be interested in her??? Besides, she might have heard how he mistook Nurse Feinberg for her and knew she didn't have a chance.

Added: Monday 21 November 2011 18:32:45 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Thanks, Big H. I knew I had seen him before, but could not be sure. I rememeber Robert Horton from several Alfred Hitchcock episodes. He didn't have the curl in his hair then.

"She told the story about how the "cement curl" (as she called it) came to fruition. I think the curl was indigenous to 5-0."

Even then, Jack didn't wear it that way all the time. In the later seasons (7-12) he often combed it straight across the top. Thanks for the link, though.

Added: Monday 21 November 2011 17:46:48 MST


Submitted by: Big H
From: NC

Vrinda: That is Robert Horton. Big 60s & 70s actor. About Lord's do, Mr. Mike (I think it was he) gave us a link about a year ago containing an article written by Lord's hairdresser for 5-0. She told the story about how the "cement curl" (as she called it) came to fruition. I think the curl was indigenous to 5-0. He certainly didn't have it in Dr. NO. http://imdb.to/uaVPF8

Added: Monday 21 November 2011 15:06:11 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

"And I always thought Lord had a patent on the "cement curl" coiff....not so, check out this guy, from 1968 era when 5-0 1.0 first premiered. http://bit.ly/suyteD Anyone recognize him?"

Big H, that face looks familiar, but I can't place him. From having watched Jack in several episodes, I noticed that he didn't always have that lacquered wave in his hair all the time. Sometimes, it was combed down. Those people who constantly criticize his hair and say that it was overdone or "as stiff as he is" don't know what they're talking about.

Added: Monday 21 November 2011 13:37:19 MST


Submitted by: Big H
From: NC

And I always thought Lord had a patent on the "cement curl" coiff....not so, check out this guy, from 1968 era when 5-0 1.0 first premiered. http://bit.ly/suyteD Anyone recognize him?

Added: Monday 21 November 2011 11:24:05 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

To me, Nurse Lavallo's reaction to McGarrett wanting to meet her is obviously the classic dilemma of caregivers dealing with feelings for their patients.

Added: Monday 21 November 2011 10:52:52 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

I think the reason Nurse Lavallo stopped being Steve's nurse and wouldn't let him see her is because she felt insecure. She might have thought she was not pretty enough or good enough for him. That can happen, and it's the feeling I got when I saw that episode. However, I should point out that she wouldn't have been able to hide from for long. Steve would ask the other nurses, orderlies, and doctors if they knew who Nurse Lavallo was, and they would point her out to him. He was not being discharged from the hospital at the end of "Blind Tiger." Though he got his sight back, he was still in the hospital for observation and treatment, so she could not avoid him completely. All that is left open to the viewers to surmise. I don't know what the writer's intended to do, though. It was sad, when Steve calls the front desk and speaks to Nurse Lavallo and asks if he can at least know her first name. She tells him it's Edith, then we see Steve walk out of his room past the front desk, with Nurse Lavallo standing right behind it, answering the phone. I thought, "What was she thinking?" We may never know, unless Jerome Coopersmith is still alive and we can write to him and ask.

Added: Monday 21 November 2011 10:43:53 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Two comments. Julia from LA: Great post and analysis on the weakness of Alex O. as the lead on the new Five-O. Well done!

Elaine from Watertown: I'm sure being from around Boston that you liked the Irish Mob angle. That is only natural. The problem with that is this. All the people from Boston that go out into LA, and into show business need to understand something. The rest of the world doesn't really care about Boston. I know it's hard for people from the city to except, but when you are doing a national tv show, or a movie that goes worldwide, the rest of the country isn't as interested in what goes on in Boston as Bostonians are, especially when the story line has been done to death in countless movies, and tv shows already. It's hackneyed. I always agree with your posts, but the world can go on quite nicely without having to hear the same tired Boston storylines over and over again. The greatest World Series ever played just captivated the country with the highest tv ratings in seven years, and the people in Boston bitched and moaned because the Red Sox weren't in it, so "Who Cares!" they said. Ah, the whole country did that's who( especially me, as my St.Louis Cardinals won their 11th World Championship-9 more than the Red Sox BTW), but if it's not about Boston, Bostonians don't care, but guess what, the rest of the country and the world really doesn't care about Boston. Not enough to hear the same tired storylines over and over. We disagree on that one, but you and I usually agree on most things. Can't have them all, I guess.

Question for all. I just watched one of my all time favorite episodes "Blind Tiger" over the weekend, and I wanted to ask Vrinda, Big Chicken, Big H, HFO Forever, Mr. Hiram, Elaine and whoever else, why they felt that Nurse Edith( Marion Ross) decided not to let McGarrett see her and meet her in person. Why does everyone think she ended the relationship when she obviously had feelings for him. I have my theories, but none that I'm sure on. Interested in your replies.

Added: Monday 21 November 2011 07:59:20 MST


Submitted by: Jason crowe
From: Fort Collins Colorado

Anyone know the brand and model of the cool sunglasses mcgarrett wears in episode 7 season 1 "the ways of love"?

Added: Sunday 20 November 2011 11:51:06 MST


Submitted by: Elaine
From: Watertown, MA

With respect to the new Five-zero, I watched last week's episode, and being from the Boston area, I was interested in the Irish Mob connection. Of course, we here all know that there isn't an Irish Mob, now that Whitey Bulger is in jail, after being on the lam for 16 years...but there is still the Winter Hill Gang which he was head of and responsible for dozens of murders. I liked that they mentioned Castle Island....we eat there frequently because Sullivans has the best hot dogs in the world...and Fort Independence (AKA CAstle Island) in "Southie" is a really nice place to visit on a hot and humid summer day...But I digress. The only thing I did not understand...someone can clue me in, is why after so many years in the witness protection program, the Irish mob would come after the dude living in Hawaii, because O'Hara (AKA Bulger) was in jail. What was the point? The three had testified against him and disappeared. Was this supposed to be some kind of retribution for dropping the proverbial dime on O'Hara? I never understood why the dude got hit in the first place. Or did I fall asleep again at a critical moment in the story?

Just finished watching Season 11 of the original and I didn't think it was as bad as many thought. There were some good episodes and some stinkers, but when you compare it to the garbage (mostly) being written today, not so bad at all! I have now started re-watching from Season 1 and watched "And They Painted Daisies on his Coffin" last night.I have to admit that this was one of the best episodes. Big Chicken, if you're reading this post, you were and still are, a classic. But boy, it must have been 130 degrees in that warehouse (Mongoose Alley) when they were filming that confrontation between you and the Man in his office because you were sweating bullets.....no pun intended. And I don't think it had anything to do with being the nervous type, because, as you said, you had faith in the law...the law takes care of people like you....yeah, right!

Added: Sunday 20 November 2011 09:07:01 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Thanks, H.5O 1! I'll be there, aloha!

Added: Saturday 19 November 2011 10:39:54 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

The Great Five-0 Weekend Writing Challenge

The lead-in for Part 2 has been posted on MofH50, both on the message board and in the guestbook. Do hope you'll join in and help us solve...

"The Case of the Rising Sun."

"Let's hustle, gentlemen. We have a case to solve. Be there. Aloha!"

Added: Saturday 19 November 2011 04:54:58 MST


Submitted by: Julia
From: LA

I have sent several emails to Amazon about a set with all the series on Blu ray.
I buy mostly Blu rays these days.
Maybe one day if they get enough requests. :o

Added: Friday 18 November 2011 16:17:12 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

also check Best Buy if they have season 12 before its jan 10 release date. read here BB had season 11 weeks before the release. i shall check mid dec. fans here should check their Best Buys and report here.

have 5-0 sets except for seasons 5 and 8. hope to get them soon

Added: Friday 18 November 2011 14:39:08 MST


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

Mike,

Do you gave any idea when Amazon will start taking pre-orders for S12? They still have their "sign-up to be notified" message on there.

Also, Amazon IS taking pre-orders for "Police Woman - The Complete Second Season", which will feature more great music by Morton Stevens, among others...:)

Added: Friday 18 November 2011 13:32:05 MST


Submitted by: Julia
From: LA

CBS will produce the episodes needed for syndication because it is the most profitable thing for them, but  this show will never be as popular as  the Original and Jack Lord will always be McGarrett..You just have to check the  People's Choice nominations last week. Viewers from all over the world voted in those awards to nominate the most popular shows and actors. Hawaii 50  and Alex O. were not able to get any nomination.

I said before that those  vicious and weird attacks from fans have nothing to do with the Original show and not even with the new one , all has to do with Alex O.  Those woman don't care for the show at all, they r just obsessed with the  man' s body , not more. They would be acting the same way if the show was Dancing with the Stars, attacking the rest of the dancers. And because he is the weakest link in the show and they can see it too, they r just acting as bullies everywhere. They dont like to read it , but thruth is that Alex does not have the strength as an actor to carry the show, he is in shape but his acting is mediocre .He is too bland, and McGarrett must be tough, a guy you don't want to mess with, and that was the reason CBS hired  Terry O'Quinn for so many episodes. In a way I feel bad for him , because  it must be hard to see how u are upstaged by the rest of the actors  week after week when you are supposed to be the lead man.And I feel bad for the terrible fandom that he has. But that doesn't hide the fact that he is just really bad in the show, and for that I cannot feel sorry because CBS messed up the chance of doing a good thing here with the remake when they hired him. So many good actors in Hollywood .

Added: Friday 18 November 2011 13:26:27 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Great post, L.B.! Just a note: It's O'Quinn, not O'Guin.

The new show had a foundation on which to build from the original, and CBS wants to keep it going long enough to get enough episodes for syndication. For the sake of the original series and the original cast, I would want to show to be a success. If it fails, people will say, "well, the original was bad, so the remake was bad as well." People made similar comments when it was announced that the series was being remade: "The original wasn't much, so why are they bringing it back?" or "It'll * * * like the original." I have noticed an increase in the costs of the DVDs of the original. Some of the later seasons. Seasons 7-9 went from $27.98 to $37.98 on Amazon. It could be because of high demand from the attention the new show created for the old show.

The failure of the new show now will be the final nail in the coffin as far as remakes or a sequel series to Hawaii Five-O are concerned. CBS will not even remake the show in a better way the third time if the new show fails.

Sadly, a lot of the positive comments from fans that Alex gets are from those hormonally-overcharged middle-aged women who want to sleep with him. They are vicious and will attack anyone who badmouths Alex. They act as though he's going to select one of them to be his wife at a fancy ball like the prince in Cinderella. If he knew what those women were saying, he'd quit acting and go live in a monastery. I never saw this kind of reaction in fans for other current actors.

Alex certainly turned invisible when he did scenes with James Marsters and Mark Dacascos. He had this fearful look in his eyes when he met up with Dacascos in the diner. I know Wo Fat was threatening to kill Jenna, who was on her way to the diner to meet Steve, but in order to convey that he is a tough cop who can hold is own against the Chinese spy, the fear should have crept over him for a minute, then he should have turned on the hard-headed, tough-as-nails persona and shown Wo Fat who was boss. If that was Jack in those same scenes, with the same dialogue, he would created a presence and countered the vicious, sinister personalities Wo Fat and Hesse had with his own serious, stoic, dynamic, fearless McGarrett character.

Added: Thursday 17 November 2011 21:42:29 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

In my view, there is a reason why those who like the new show are going after Jack Lord. While there are many differences between the old show and the new one, the most distinct one if you watch them for very long is in the actors playing McGarrett. Lord may have had his faults, but none of those extended to the way he played the character, which was almost perfect.

As I have mentioned on other occasions, think of how many times that O'Loughlin has been upstaged by Mark Dacascos and James Marsters in scenes alone. While both of those men are excellent actors, Jack Lord would have eaten their lunch in any of those scenes. He simply had a commanding presence that AOL never will. Furthermore, Leonard Freeman would have never had to bring in an actor of Terry O'Guin's stature to boost the show's standing. O'Guin is not there because Scott Caan, Daniel Kim, or Grace Park are not doing their jobs. He is there because of the shortcomings of AOL's McGarrett character.

All this being said, I want the new series to succeed. All associated with the series appear to be trying very hard and want to be successful. If nothing else, the more successful the remake is, the more attention it brings to the original and helps with things like DVD sales, etc. The remake has already been more successful than most reboots of original series have, and there is at least a decent chance that the series will get a third season. Most remakes fail miserably (think The Bionic Woman, Kojak, and Dragnet in recent years). The current show has not failed, but does come up well short of the quality of the original series.

Added: Thursday 17 November 2011 19:37:02 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

THE GREAT FIVE-0 WEEKEND WRITING CHALLENGE

The lead-in for Part 2 will be posted on the MofH50 message board and in the MofH50 guestbook at noon (CST) tomorrow (Friday).

Do hope you'll be on hand to help us move the story forward.

Please do not post to the guestbook until 6:00 am (your time) on Saturday.

In the words of the immortal "Aloysius,"

"Let's hustle. We have a case to solve, gentlemen. Be there. Aloha!"

Added: Thursday 17 November 2011 18:55:06 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

What these people who complain about the comparisons between the original and the new show fail to realize is that when a show is a remake of another, then people are going to compare and contrast them. Not all of them will know what they are talking about, and idiotic comments will ensue. When new show is using the same characters as well as the same theme music, people who liked the original are going to expect some semblance of the quality that the original had to be continued, and when they don't see that, but just a chance to cash in on the original show's popularity, they're going to voice their comments, and the internet makes it easier for them to do it.

The fans of the new show who are telling people to stop writing "this and that" (and I'm not referring to anyone on here) know the truth, and don't want anyone to tell it to them. What I find strange is that they have such hatred for a TV show that went off the air so long ago, or for an actor who really was more talented than for which they will ever give him credit, and who has been dead for thirteen years. The way some of these people talk, they act like Jack started a war, injured them or a member of their family, or stole money or property from them. The hatred these people disply for him and the original series is silly in one way, and disgusting in another. :!devil:

Added: Thursday 17 November 2011 16:14:15 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

*SIGH* The inevitable "if you don't like the show don't watch it and stop dumping on it." comments. That is code for "I really like the show, because that is my taste, and when I read your negative comments about it, it causes me to think, destroys my worldview, and I can't enjoy the show, because when I think about what you say I know you are right."

First the nonsense about wanting the show to fail. I don't want the show to fail, I watch it every week and I have always wanted it to be good. It's not. I will criticize the show in the hopes that any writers or producers who stumble on this page looking for fan feedback will read the comments and try to change the show for the better. No one wants the new show to succed more than me, but I'm speaking the truth about the show in it's current form. For those that don't like that you need to toughen up a bit.

Finally, it really disturbs me when people write "stop writing this or that" because it's trying to stifle free speech and that is Marxism, Communism, East Germany, Soviet Union, Iran type of "stifle any dissent." I'm always suspicious of anyone's motives'when they say "stop writing this" as it smacks of a totalitarian mindset. As long as people don't criticize anyone personally, or insult them, people should have the ability to express their thoughts pro or con on a show. I have seen nothing here that has been disrespectful to anyone. The people who want to stifle free speech are the same one who will not say "Merry Christmas" because they do not believe in the holiday. They want the abilty to force their thoughts on everyone, but they want to stifle any opposing views.

Free speech brothers. The age of trying to stifle it ends a year from now. Get used to it.

Added: Thursday 17 November 2011 08:07:49 MST


Submitted by: Dave
From: Nepean Canada

For so many years there was only just talk about brong Hawaii Five 0 back and now that its here people still dump on it.
I have been to Hawaii 8 times in the past with my 9th visit coming in Dec and I love the place. Yes you could argue that some of the acting in the original was ify but I still watched every episode and enjoyed the sites and the story in that order. The new show in HD on my new 48" screen is fantastic even if some of the stroy lines are questionable.
Watch the show and enjoy it or watch something else and enjoy that but stop dumping on Hawaii 50.
PS: Canada enjoy the snow at Dec while I enjoy the sun in paradise.

Added: Thursday 17 November 2011 02:25:34 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

"I know there are folks here who dislike the reboot and I respect that. What I don't get is why they seem to want the show to fail. Ok, you don't like it...that's cool. But why spew all the negativity? And I'm not trying to start an argument about whether the show is good or bad or how it compares to the original. Just curious as to why anyone would waste energy dumping all over a show they hate."

I don't know about the ratings for that night in particular, but I will say - and this just speaking for myself - my reason for the negative comments I make on the new show stem from frustration and anger at the fans who criticized and made fun of the original series and the actors, especially Jack. Many of these people never saw the original show at all, or saw it so long ago that they don't remember much, yet they comment on it like they were experts on it. There were the dumb remarks from teenagers whining that they don't use any modern gadgets and that there was not enough violence.

Then there were those middle-aged men who were jealous of Jack and said he was arrogant, superior, and egoistical, that he overacted, or was wooden, and was too-perfect or only spent time giving orders to people, or that he was not a "team player."

There were women who said he was wooden and stiff, and that he wasn't good-looking, and that all he did was order people around and Danno didn't get enough attention. There were the moronic "the old show is dated," "it was boring," "it was predictable," etc.

All these comments said to me was these people did not watch the show at all, or did not pay attention to it, and are looking for superficial things when watching it. None of them paid attention to the storylines, knew anything about acting or understood the characters and what personality traits they would have, and lack imagination.

A woman threated to slander Jack further because I called her ignorant over some idiotic remarks she made about the original series, and some arrogant men belittled me when I told them off after one of their rants. These people all embrace the new show and praise it to the sky, and when I see their real mentalities displayed for all the world to see, it gives a bad impression on the new show. One girl even went as far as to say that "The Rochford Files" and "Starsky and Hutch" were classics while the original Hawaii Five-O was dated. When all three shows were made at the same time, how can one be dated while the others aren't?

I'm not implying that you are like this or that all fans of the new show are, because I have met nice people who like it. They also like the original or have never seen it so they have no opinion on it. It is just that when I came across such nastiness in the past, it's easy for me to criticize the new show. It's not what I look to do, or that I want to see it fail, but when so many praised it to the sky and berated the original, it's hard not to think that way.

Added: Wednesday 16 November 2011 18:34:23 MST


Submitted by: Julie
From: to Big

Young viewers r not interested in news. And that abc special u r talking about got a 0.4 lower demo than Castle usually gets, so it makes sense that some of those points went to Hawaii. Even the media mentioned it.. If there is only rice to eat, you will eat rice.Like it or not. We even watched it at home because there was nothing else on. The last thing you want to watch at that hour is a show about a child molester or about a poor woman that was shot.
When a show is against repeats or news, numbers always go up. I was just answering Mr. mike ,that was wondering why the numbers went up even if the episode was Bleh.
Castle goes up too when it is against a Hawaii 50 repeat. Always happens. Competition, same as with the airlines.

Added: Wednesday 16 November 2011 17:46:24 MST


Submitted by: Big City Gal
From: NYC

"ABC didn't air the regular cop drama show at 10 pm, Castle. They had a news special. Same on NBC, a news program. So, Hawaii 50 was the only scripted drama show to watch that night on TV. It was Hawaii or boring news specials. When a show has no competition ratings always go up for that night."

One of the "boring news specials" you spoke of was the ABC 20/20 special on Gabby Giffords and it pulled more total viewers and a better share than Castle normally does (NBC has never been in the hunt on Mondays). So saying H50's ratings went up because there was no competition is not exactly correct. Also, according to TV By The Numbers, H50 has been beating Castle in the demo for the last three weeks and the Live +7 ratings have put the show in the top 10 regularly. And yes, I know, DVR ratings don't matter to advertisers, but it's a statement on a show's popularity none the less.

I know there are folks here who dislike the reboot and I respect that. What I don't get is why they seem to want the show to fail. Ok, you don't like it...that's cool. But why spew all the negativity? And I'm not trying to start an argument about whether the show is good or bad or how it compares to the original. Just curious as to why anyone would waste energy dumping all over a show they hate.

Added: Wednesday 16 November 2011 16:51:17 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

wonder if McG next monday will get a 9 DRAGONS type of torture, oh the frogs, snakes, screams, color lights, dizzy camera moves and McG screaming YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Added: Wednesday 16 November 2011 16:15:02 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

well sad to report folks that PRIME SUSPECT looks to be cancelled by NBC

it is not in the midseason schedule

Added: Wednesday 16 November 2011 15:29:00 MST


Submitted by: Julie
From: LA

Mr.Mike,
There is a good explanation for those numbers.

ABC didn't air the regular cop drama show at 10 pm, Castle. They had a news special.
Same on NBC, a news program.
So, Hawaii 50 was the only scripted drama show to watch that night on TV. It was Hawaii or boring news specials. When a show has no competition ratings always go up for that night.

Added: Wednesday 16 November 2011 13:50:39 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

"Can everyone say "credibility gap as wide as the Grand Canyon"?"

I'm saying it!

About the Boston Mafia: Maybe the writers thought it would be more original than the Italian Mafia. They completely forgot about the ethnic groups in Hawaii - Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, and Hawaiians - who have their own organized crime syndicates going. With all those people running loose on the rock, the Irish Mafia would have nowhere to go.

Added: Wednesday 16 November 2011 12:59:59 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Despite the fact that Monday's show was pretty boring, it got the highest ratings since the second season premiere:

bit.ly/tAc8ZH

Go figure!

Added: Wednesday 16 November 2011 12:14:13 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

These comments come a bit late.

Re: this week's show, a couple of quick observations. First, the camera made a brief, yet incomplete, approach to the Ilikai, alluding to the helicopter approach in the original opening sequence. Second, the alleged name of the cosmetic surgery patient was Ryan Jackson (Jack Ryan? An allusion, not necessarily complimentary, perhaps?)

Re: last week's show and the black boxes from the downed aircraft. No way the NTSB would let Five-0 have them. Nor could anyone just open them up and listen to them. Not after they had been in salt water. Nope! Five-0, like everyone else, would have to wait until the NTSB issued their official findings - oh, about a year - before they could obtain evidence that could be taken to court. It seems unlikely that the NTSB would be far enough along in its own investigation to even offer a verbal opinion in the time frame represented. So, the scenario here was entirely without basis in fact.

Can everyone say "credibility gap as wide as the Grand Canyon"?

Added: Wednesday 16 November 2011 12:04:17 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

For those of us who love Hawaii, the new Danno's constant bitching about Hawaii is just nauseating. I mean it's not great for the Hawaii Chamber of Commerce to have one of the main characters just hate on Hawaii every show. It's just dumb.

In the old show, part of the charm was that Danny Williams was born and raised in Hawaii and after college came back home because he loved it. Kono, it was his land, Chin Ho it was his home.

More weak writing by this crew by ripping off the "Untouchables" Kevin Costner/Andy Garcia train station confrontation with the "1.2.3" and the Kono shot.

The Boston Irish Mob. Is there any more trite, cliched, done to death storyline than that? How many more movies, tv shows have to feature the Boston Irish Mob? Can they please put some thought into theses stories, some care. Writers and producers of new Five-O Please watch "Prime Suspect" with Maria Bello-that's how you do it. I'm using that as an example because I know they don't want to hear about the old Five-O being how to do it.

Added: Wednesday 16 November 2011 08:52:01 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

That was an interesting take, Keith. I noticed the whodunnit cliche every week as well, and I wonder what the writers are thinking when they finish the script and turn it in to Lenkov or CBS. I wonder what Lenkov and CBS think when they read them.

If not for Terry O'Quinn, certain guest stars, Daniel Dae Kim, and Taylor Wily; Hawaii; and the occasional cameo from the black Grand Marquis, this show has nothing that keeps me coming back.

Added: Tuesday 15 November 2011 20:48:06 MST


Submitted by: Keith
From: Cedar Park, TX, US.

I watched the show yesterday, not much else to watch with the other networks airing news. Well, every once in a while, even your favorite show has a cliche episode that makes your eyes roll .But when that happens in the same show week after week, that show turns to be the show that stays in your dvr for weeks, until you are so bore one rainy day that you decide to watch an episode.
Really, I don't think they could have made a more dull and uninteresting show. Truth that Terry O'Quinn has added some talent to the show, and gosh, did the show needed that with the acting genius they got to replace Jack Lord. But still, the show is pretty bland, and I think Hawaii is the only thing the remake has going on for it. Which is funny, because the Original made Hawaii popular, but this remake is surviving because of Hawaii.

Added: Tuesday 15 November 2011 17:54:48 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

last nite's show was "meh"

three things i like:

-the motel raid on the brothers holding the gal with the nice shot by kono

-McG tapping the glass with the gun to arrest the doc mid-surgery at the end

-lori looking Olivia-ish at the end. looking hot there! yes, mike next week i hope will be good! still with the new episodes w/o reruns. surprisingly this doesn't seem to be a 2 parter. is it a 2 parter?

Added: Tuesday 15 November 2011 14:21:35 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Trivia old and new:

In the episode last week, Max Bergman is seen driving a new Camaro, probably inspired from the episode previously when he got to drive Danno's car. The license plate for this car -- WARP 9 -- is the same as the one Max had on his geeky Volkswagen "Thing." The big question is: if you have a personalized license plate like this in Hawaii, is it transferable between vehicles? The Honolulu DMV page does not give details about this, though I am asking by e-mail.

In the episode Stringer, the Paul Williams character has a cover-your-ass method of protecting himself in the form of a camera which can take consecutive pictures of people in his loft, seemingly attached to some kind of electronic eye-like device. Only problem is ... if the camera was taking pictures at the rate of one a second, using the longest commercially available film, 36 frames, this would run out in about a half a minute. I asked a friend of mine who is a professional photographer, and he told me that back in the old days of "real cameras," you could get some kind of a box which would attach to the back of a typical camera (like a Nikon), and it could accommodate up to 100 feet of film, which you could buy in bulk stock at a photo supply store. 100 feet of film would contain 1200 frames, which, at one per second, would give you 20 minutes of footage. Whether Stringer actually is using such a box (which my friend said was relatively large) is difficult to see in the show.

Added: Tuesday 15 November 2011 06:49:05 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Doug Mossman's back? Way to go! :!cool:

Added: Monday 14 November 2011 22:38:01 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Next week's show looks a lot more interesting. Here is some of the guest cast:

Larisa Oleynik -- Jenna Kaye
Mark Dacascos -- Wo Fat
David Keith -- Wade Gutches
Reiko Aylesworth -- Malia Waincroft
Doug Mossman -- Kimo Halama [cool!]
Jimmy Buffett -- Frank Bama

According to a CBS press release (seriously):

McGarrett finds himself in need of the Five-0’s [sic] help when he goes to North Korea with Jenna Kaye to deliver a ransom to rebels who are holding her fiancé hostage. Meanwhile, the Five-0 [sic again!] investigate the murder of an investigative reporter who seems to have ties to Jenna. Singer and songwriter Jimmy Buffett guest stars as Frank Bama, a helicopter pilot and friend of Joe White’s who helps the Five-0 [sic again!!] in North Korea.

Added: Monday 14 November 2011 21:53:26 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Not a particularly interesting episode tonight, partially redeemed by the photography and locations. It was a typical new Five-0 procedural as the trunk of one of several muscle cars destined for Asian markets revealed a body which had had plastic surgery. The usual suspects included car thieves (obviously) as well as members of the Boston Irish Mafia. Along the way, Max joined Danno on the rag, snubbing McGarrett and Danno, only speaking to Agent Weston. Weston got an opportunity to act slutty undercover, as well as escorting Max to some social function at the end, which, considering what happened just before it, was annoyingly cutesy-poo (as was Max playing the piano in the autopsy room). The sound mix when suspects were in the interrogation room was terrible, making it difficult to understand crucial plot points. Danno was bitching about Hawaii once again, saying that the sound of waves was "water torture." One of the Irish Mafia guys mentioned a lawyer, but then crumbled under questioning from Danno and McGarrett anyway. I figured out who the "bad guy" was well before the end, just by a process of elimination. Isn't this supposed to be November sweeps time when they pull out all the stops for a killer show?

Added: Monday 14 November 2011 21:32:35 MST


Submitted by: Anne
From: Tangerine

Oops..make thar 7th Season

Added: Sunday 13 November 2011 15:02:32 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

perhaps one more new 5-0 show tomorrow nite and then thanksgiving break. and then new shows in dec.

EXECUTION FILE with McG and the frisbee! "Hey!"

Added: Sunday 13 November 2011 14:56:17 MST


Submitted by: Anne
From: Tangerine

Mine is from 6th season...The Young Asassins where McGarrett thinks he was too late to save Danno. Priceless!

Added: Sunday 13 November 2011 14:32:40 MST


Submitted by: Henry P Tercy......
From: North Haven CT

One of the best endings is the first episode Full Fathom Five, as McGarret walks away and the music punctuates the end of the caper.....and the beginning of history!

Added: Saturday 12 November 2011 13:05:05 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Don't faint, a blogger is actually writing YESTERDAY about two "classic" Five-O episodes, the ones featuring Lewis Avery Filer:

http://mysteryfile.com/blog/?p=13263

Added: Saturday 12 November 2011 11:27:21 MST


Submitted by: otto
From: nyc

Ringfire: No, it wasn't really a wall-breaker, and i barely noticed it since i'm so accustomed to seeing that logo. It occurred to me after it had passed and i had to 'rewind' the scene to believe it.

Added: Friday 11 November 2011 21:07:10 MST


Submitted by: Marc
From: Brazil

Amazon.con and Itunes are offering episodes of the classic series in HD. Does anybody know if those episodes are true HD or just upscaled episodes?
Thanks.

Added: Friday 11 November 2011 16:52:37 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

great episode of 3 DEAD COWS AT MAKAPUU--grade A

and loretta swit is now in a play LOVE LOSS AND WHAT I WORE in NY

swit in the episode , another cute 5-0 lady!

Added: Friday 11 November 2011 14:36:16 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"That's sort of stepping out of the story and commenting on the show. Almost like when a character looks at the audience and winks!"

Yep, like on MAGNUM, P.I. Except not as obvious in this case. I haven't seen this episode in quite some time so I don't recall this. But I can't imagine it to be too much of a 4th wall breaker.

Added: Friday 11 November 2011 11:30:27 MST


Submitted by: otto mannix
From: new york

Watched "Last of the Great Paper-hangers" last night, streaming online. I'd never seen an S9 episode before and was surprised how good it was. One odd element was at the beginning, when Hickey's henchman was breaking into a building. We see a sign which reads "Hawaii Five-O Temporary Offices", and the letters on H5O are the exact same red and white letters used in the shows title logo, WTF? That's sort of stepping out of the story and commenting on the show. Almost like when a character looks at the audience and winks!

Added: Friday 11 November 2011 08:59:49 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

"I like the new girl in the remake. More than Grace P. And Terry Q. is 1000 times better than Alex O.
Keep Terry and dump the fake McGarrett. We don't understand half of what he says anyway. It's very frustrating.

Until Terry the show's only attraction was Hawaii."

Truer words were never spoken. All Alex does is mumble, and there are idiots who say he is a great actor. I've come across some more middle-aged women who fawn over him and attack anyone else who disagrees with them. The scary part is, judging by the way they type their comments, they sound like they have the intelligence level of a first-grader.

:p

Added: Thursday 10 November 2011 22:25:25 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

well last nite , bought season 2 at best buy. saw all of SINGAPORE FILE which is A+! top 10 best! beautifully done, great scenes, i love marj dusay! :o

dunno if this was mentioned in past forums but when McG says goodbye to Miss Wylie at the airport, look at the bottom of the screen. there is a shadow of 2 people, i assume the film crew either holding something, perhaps a screen.

and then there's BABE RUTH: F! mark lenard the worst performance ever! :!mad: the scene at the house with him guzzling sake, i wanted to barf my pound cake out !

wonder if best buy will have season 12 like weeks earlier before its release like they did with season 11? i shall check @ bb starting mid dec.

Added: Thursday 10 November 2011 14:01:30 MST


Submitted by: Jake
From: Norcross

I like the new girl in the remake. More than Grace P. And Terry Q. is 1000 times better than Alex O.
Keep Terry and dump the fake McGarrett. We don't understand half of what he says anyway. It's very frustrating.
Until Terry the show's only attraction was Hawaii .

Added: Wednesday 09 November 2011 14:21:00 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

did like HEALING....the dog here , i felt like i was seeing BARK AND THE BITE PART II and expected for someone to say to the dog---"book me!"
Greg Grunberg-yes, he did very well

want more of the ICE guy! B+

Added: Wednesday 09 November 2011 14:10:11 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Watched the new Five-O Monday night and it had a great, great ending. The only problem was the rest of the show was crap. The same old, same old, again no consistency. It has great "moments" but very few great shows.

I watched season two's "Which Way did they go?" and was surprised to see that it aired on Christmas Eve in 1969 and the following week's episode "Blind Tiger" aired on New Year's Eve. Today, airing a new first run episode of any network show on a major national holiday would be unheard of, but I guess back then especially with the great CBS Saturday Night lineup, the nights that are taboo today were "in" back then. "Big City Gal" if you are out there, can you tell me how long the networks continued to air first run shows on the major holiday nights and when that practice stopped? I know it was a different world back then, but I was surprised to see a new show burnt off on a night when people aren't really focused on tv whether they are Christian or not.

The show was also very violent for a program that aired on Christmas Eve. Four dead bodies in the first 35 minutes. "Which way did they go?' was kind of a blood bath! :!thinking:

Added: Wednesday 09 November 2011 08:42:41 MST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: The Mainland

Hey Otto, Wo Fat a pretty ruthless cat. But I agree with you. Like Ole Nick sez, to them Vashons nothin mo sacred than killin McGarrett

Added: Tuesday 08 November 2011 21:30:03 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Thank you, H.5.0 1!

I write fan-fiction, too, and it's hard to come up with an original story and on short notice. I didn't know I would be able to come up with what I did when I did. After seeing how you put the story together, everything fits in perfectly, despite being written out of order and by different people.

Added: Tuesday 08 November 2011 21:02:23 MST


Submitted by: Nick C
From: Wyoming

I am looking for information on the manufacture of the vertical shotgun shell holder Chin has on his vest when he is running with the Shotgun??

Added: Tuesday 08 November 2011 17:19:11 MST


Submitted by: Hugh
From: Brisbane

The most important fan Awards Event ., The People'Choice Awards, have announced the Official Nominees list today. Five shows or actors for each category.
Even if Alex O. and the remake were submitted by the organization, none of them had enough votes to even make it to the nominees list.,

Seems CBS plans to cash in the popularity of the Original Hawaii 50 has not worked as they planned. This is an award voted by fans and for fans. This remake will never be as the Original, and Jack Lord will always be STM.

Castle-CSi-Bones-Criminal Minds-NCSi were the fan' s favorite.

Added: Tuesday 08 November 2011 15:48:08 MST


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

I would like to see Smith and Farrell in roles like the producers did for Al Harrington or Don Stroud, playing new Characters, even if it's like a cameo or something.

I think they are a little too old to be playing Kimo and Lori, unless they wanted to film them in some kind of senior living home...ha-ha...:)

Added: Tuesday 08 November 2011 11:04:35 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I quite enjoyed last night's show, in no small part due to the presence of guest actor Greg Grunberg. He appeared briefly at the beginning and I figured it's the usual Five-0 guest spot with the actor spending minimal time on the show, probably reappearing at the end of the show where he is identified as the bad guy. But Grunberg's character, customs agent Jeff Morrison, took an active part in the investigation along with Five-O to avenge the death of a former co-worker. The big scene at the beginning of the show where this co-worker crashed into the ocean in a plane used pretty cheesy CGI, reminiscent of the famous stock shot from the old show where a car plunges over a cliff and bursts into flame. The Five-O supercomputer seemed to be slow to respond to help with the case, because information about this plane and its pilot were not forthcoming early on. There was some suggestion that the NTSB (National Transportation and Safety Board) was going to be doing an investigation, but would this keep Five-O from gleaning any details? As well, one would have expected McGarrett to bark "I want to know every plane that took off from this island" (especially since he knew that the plane was a certain variety of Cessna which had some peculiar characteristics which influenced the plot) and "I want to know everyone who is qualified to fly or jump from a plane." It turned out that the bad guy had these qualifications, yet the supercomputer did not flag these after Chin and Kono talked to the guy earlier in the day. The bad guy, Liam Miller (Jon Gries) was a VERY bad guy suffering from terminal cancer who took extreme measures not only towards Morrison's associate, but also some Chinese herbal doctor who prescribed him exotic animal remedies which did not work. The scene at the beginning with Danno was annoying, and Danno picked up a pet dog which seemed to share some of his characteristics, i.e., barking and interrupting the investigation at Five-O headquarters and depositing some turds in McGarrett's office. You have to wonder, if Danno was such a "dog person" as he suggested, why he would let the dog gag on some of Kamekona's shrimp products. As well, Danno was bitching about Hawaii, something which has not been actively pursued in recent episodes (other than the last one, where he was messing around with the sacred burial ground). Still, despite its faults, the plot for the show was relatively logical, and the photography again was well above average.

Added: Tuesday 08 November 2011 10:51:10 MST


Submitted by: otto mannix
From: manhattan

Big H: I was aware of a fourth Vashon episode, but i've never seen S8. Next year, i will get that season. Thanks for the reminder.

Chick: I still got the love for Wofat! But there's something sort of cuddly about him, whereas the Vashons are pure evil. Wofat embraces the gentlemanly sportsmanship of the game, but the Vashon make no allowances for the fair fight!

Added: Tuesday 08 November 2011 10:31:33 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Hi, Vrinda!

Yes, the project took on a much grander scale than I had expected it would. But that's good! We will need to meet again (and I hope participants will choose to return), but we can make this into a really good story, far better than we could have written in a single weekend.

It's interesting, though: Part 1 ends at a logical stopping place. The ground work has been laid. Now, the Five-0 team knows what they are up against and are in a position to move the case right along. We writers will, too.

Thank you for participating. You added the one-two punch that moved it into Five-0's jurisdiction, and that's essential for a successful Five-0 story.

FYI to everyone : If you want to help Five-0 fight the Yakuza (organized crime in Japan), we'll be writing again the weekend of November 19-20th. Hope to see you there.

Added: Tuesday 08 November 2011 03:41:47 MST


Submitted by: Michael Haas
From: Hollywood (formerly Honolulu)

I have difficulty hearing the dialog. The lead actor whispers his lines rather than articulating clearly.
In addition, the musical background is louder than the dialog. So I cannot follow the story line and watch mostly for the cinematography and comedy.
The choice of the lead actor was poor but cannot now be changed. But the undistinguished music can be turned way down so that the dialog can be heard. Whoever is responsible for post-production sound editing should be fired immediately.

Added: Monday 07 November 2011 22:25:26 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Hi H-5.0 1.0,

I'm sorry that the chain story did not progress like you wanted it to. I tried filling in the gaps and getting it going. I hope to add more for Part II. I have a lot of ideas. There's so much you can do with the material that's there.

Added: Monday 07 November 2011 21:23:15 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Glenn, re: your statement, "I would love to see the producers of the new show feature William Smith and Sharon Farrell in guest roles on an upcoming episode or two - that would be pretty cool..." - - - do you mean as new characters or as Kimo Carew and Lori Wilson?

Added: Monday 07 November 2011 18:16:29 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

days back on this forum i posted this =

@ H, thank u for the SINGAPORE FILE clip. wow! great ending, great score which made me wanna , whatta great great backdrop of the skies and the final shot! "aloha pretty girl . aloha."

loved Lord's reaction as she leaves at 7:41 mark

well this was in the youtube clip i saw , so here is the last 8 mins of THE SINGAPORE FILE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxpLv_rHHZc

i do not have season 2 yet. i could see the whole episode which is on youtube. hopefully this week. touching moment for McG to give the purple flowers to her. and again, the score is outstanding!

Added: Monday 07 November 2011 16:09:59 MST


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

I would love to see the producers of the new show feature William Smith and Sharon Farrell in guest roles on an upcoming episode or two - that would be pretty cool...:)

Added: Monday 07 November 2011 14:53:02 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"Halloween themed;also directed by Joe "Goonies" Dante"

Hey KD, it was Richard Donner who directed THE GOONIES. Joe Dante directed stuff like GREMLINS, INNERSPACE, THE BURBS, etc.

Added: Monday 07 November 2011 14:09:25 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"Or that shot of McGarrett alone with his rage and grief with only the surf as his companion at the end of “Steel Frame”

Man, when Five-O at its best, its almost too good for TV."

Right oooooooon, Chick bay-beeee!! You flip me, man!

Added: Monday 07 November 2011 12:20:19 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

fave ending: well from last season THE BEGINNING when McG encounters the baddies at the golf course and meets for the 1st time: McG "what's your name?"

baddie: "Wo Fat"

Added: Sunday 06 November 2011 16:15:04 MST


Submitted by: Herman Rooney
From: Moreno Valley

Have anyone here watched the Dr. Peeper 10 ad ?
It's like watching a promo of the new Hawaii Five-O.
The guy there is the new McGarrett , no doubt, cargo pants with no brains. And I must say a better actor than A. O' Lauglin .
They should aired it during the show. Hilarious.

Added: Sunday 06 November 2011 15:44:02 MST


Submitted by: KD MCG
From: Namaste Vrinda

Watching last weeks episode. Too much banter time-could have been used for better writing.

Plus: Halloween themed;also directed by Joe "Goonies" Dante; some good photography. Minus: very little use of Robert Englund-again, the time spent on banter could have been dedicated to Robert's role.

Added: Saturday 05 November 2011 22:25:19 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

Danno, Chicken, and Stringer, kickin' it in Hollyweird... http://bit.ly/rsCz9s

Added: Saturday 05 November 2011 22:12:58 MST


Submitted by: Spidah Brown
From: and his stack of crispies

Otto say “Their (the Vashons) malignant presence on 'this rock' makes Wofat look like a bumbling tourist!!!”

Fo shoo-ah'bout dat. I can tell ya bruddah!

Added: Saturday 05 November 2011 10:55:19 MST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Seattle, Hometown of Toomey and Lew

Otto say “Their (the Vashons) malignant presence on 'this rock' makes Wofat look like a bumbling tourist!!!”

Man- great turn O’ phrase- Otto,my brudda. But where’s the love for Wo Fat? :D

H50 FOREVER, thanx for the insight on Jack’s later year fatigue. I always loved the early to mid season McGarrett where Jack played it with such combustible energy, he seemed like a pacin caged animal at the crime scenes, chompin at the bit to nail them criminals.

Mr. Mike, Chicken will check out “Bark & Bite” this weekend. Truly an inspired choice for best endin. You definitely think outside the box, my man. Thanks gain for doin what you do and hostin us here on yo site. And Thanx for never bannin me, man. :)

Otto, RingFire - the endins of “Nightmare Blue” & “Thousand Pardons” be real jolters. But how bout “Trouble in Mind” The way Jack turned away from the bandshell with such resignation and walked off. The conclude was all the more powerfull for the fact that Jack couldn’t save Eadie.

Or that shot of McGarrett alone with his rage and grief with only the surf as his companion at the end of “Steel Frame”

Man, when Five-O at its best, its almost too good for TV.

Added: Saturday 05 November 2011 00:00:29 MST


Submitted by: Robert
From: Fairfax, VA

It says on the main page: Season 12 of classic Five-O (the final season) will be released on January 10, 2010

Wow, you're two years behind dude. It's coming out January 2012.

Added: Friday 04 November 2011 18:50:22 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

My favortie endings are too numerous to recount here, but the ones that stood out for me were the endings to V For Vashon: The Son and The Patriarch. The way Steve pointed out to Honore that he killed his son, and not anyone else, drove the point home very strongly.

When he rushed into Dominick Vashon's study at the end of the third episode, and Dominick says to Tosaki on the phone that Steve will not have that last triumph made the end seem like a letdown, but it really wasn't. It exposed Dominick Vashon as being as vulnerable and weak as he made Steve look, and illustrated how he knew all too-well that he lost big time, and his plan backfired so hard, he got burned all over. The look of shock on Steve's face when Dominick shot himself was chilling, as well as the sadness he felt when he knelt down to check his pulse and find that he was dead. The picing up of the paperweight with the V on it was symbolic. The V stood for the Vashon empire, and it was now in Steve's hands.

I also liked the ending of The Singapore File, and also Once Upon a Time: Part 2, where his sister rushes to him in the parking lot and hugs him like she hasn't seen him in years, and the way he kisses her and looks down at her so affectionately brings a lump to your throat. I was also touched by the ending of "Yesterday Died and Tomorrow Won't Be Born," where Danny tells Steve about how he shot Steve's shooter, how Charlie Mangus the gangster was on ice, and when Steve asked, "How's Danny Williams?" Danno tells him, "He's tired." Steve tells him that the he never said his job was going to be easy, and that it will be Danno's for a while, and Danno tells him, "Don't make it too long." There was a lot of affection and emotion in that scene, and it was all in their words and how they spoke them.

There were some cute, humorous endings I liked. At the end of "The Case Against Philip Christie," when Steve is putting varnish on the side of his boat, and Danno asks him if he's ever going to "sail that thing." Steve tells him "this is not a thing, it's a woman, so show some respect!" and tells Danno and Duke to "avast" and calls them lubbers. Danno's comical tone was hysterical, as well as Steve's outburst. I also liked the way Steve affectionately said that retired navy officer in "Legacy of Terror," "I'll come back and arrest you," after the officer asks what Steve will do about him (the officer)for not revealing that he knew where the gold was. The smile on Steve's face was so charming and cute. I also liked the end of "The Two-Faced Corpse" where Steve, desipte being pain, tells the Federal man, "I just fractured my deltoid," as the EMS worker bandaged him up. He made it sound like all he had was a papercut.

Added: Friday 04 November 2011 15:59:51 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

The Shakespearean effects may, in fact, have been Gary Cooper effects. Jack greatly admired Coop's quiet, laid-back acting style and sought to emulate him. It was just one of a number of changes that we saw in the later seasons; e.g., departing from the format that was "as rigid as a sonnet," covering the social issues of the day (gun control, cryogenics, etc.). At the same time, Jack was aging rapidly. His fatigue really showed. Perhaps, he hoped that quiet, laid-back demeanor would help mask the fact that he, personally, was moving more slowly??? We may never know for sure, but I attribute it to Gary Cooper, not William Shakespeare.

Added: Friday 04 November 2011 15:05:15 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

do not forget to set your clocks back an hour this weekend

Added: Friday 04 November 2011 14:16:17 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

another fave ending---loved when McG and his men arrested their doppelgangers in WELCOME TO MY BRANCH OFFICE

"book them all!"

hmm
new 5-0 not showing a rerun yet, been going nonstop. PERSON OF INTEREST in rerun mode next week i assume since there was no "stay tuned for next week's episode" said at the end.

Added: Friday 04 November 2011 12:51:40 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

You probably won't like this, but I am not going to have brain damage over all those stern and serious Shakespearean endings to the show. My favorite ending is The Bark and the Bite. This is the one where the animal control officer wants to give McGarrett a summons because he took the dog out of quarantine, and McGarrett tries to weasel out of this by every means possible. Finally, he says "Book me, Danno," with a big shit-eating grin on his face. It is pretty obvious to me that the two actresses in the scene were not in on this surprise ending, because they both break out in laughter, and James MacArthur as Danno has this smug look on his face as if he knew all along that this was coming.

Added: Friday 04 November 2011 10:08:57 MST


Submitted by: Big H
From: Try NC....this is my beat

Otto says>> "There are so many incredible episodes throughout the Five-O canon, but the Vashon Trilogy definitely holds a certain 'gold standard' for the real fans."

Or should we say...the Vashon Quatre, if we are careful to remember "The Case Against McGarrett" from S8.

Come on Mr. Mike, you're holding out on us. What'e the Boss's fav ending?? :!wondering:

Added: Friday 04 November 2011 09:54:04 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Yes. Mike is right. Due to the time difference, I will post the challenge at noon (my time), which will be 6:00 am on Saturday in Asia and Australia. Still, if each of us sticks to the 36-hour writing period, we will have an equal chance to participate. Now, if you want to be putting your thoughts together before 6:00 am (your time), that is perfectly alright. Just wait until 6:00 to post to the guestbook.

Added: Friday 04 November 2011 07:37:53 MST


Submitted by: Raibow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Wow, thanks everyone, that was an impressive response, anyone else can keep it going if they so choose. The way you guys responded to that so passionately and charged up shows you that all these years later the old Five-O was a legendary tv show. What producers of the new shows need to get is they need to inspire that type of fire and passion for the programs that they produce today. You produce that type of passion just shown on this board not by the physical looks of a star or stars in a show, but by the content of the story that is written. Long after the looks of a star fade, and the passion of fans who are only interested in those looks go away, great storytelling will lasts forever hence the myths and legends like "Beowulf" and classics like "MacBeth" have stood the test of time. As your responses prove, 31 years after the original Five-O ended, the passion it inspires in those who enjoyed watching the show endures and has lasted through the decades. Aloha pretty girls and gentlemanly chaps!

Added: Friday 04 November 2011 06:50:56 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Sorry to interrupt the discussion of great Five-0 endings (and you are nominating some great ones). I cast my vote for the ending to "The Singapore File." Between the emotions seen in Nicole's and Steve's faces and the dramatic swell of the theme song, that one says it all for me.

Just a reminder: The Great Five-0 Weekend Writing Challenge will begin at 6:00 am, Saturday, November 5th in the MofH50 guestbook. Hope you'll be there. Aloha!

Mr. Mike comments: If it's 10:00 a.m. PST our time (about 3 hours from when I am writing this), it will be 6:00 a.m. Saturday in Auckland, New Zealand, which is when people can start contributing. (I don't know if there is any place between NZ and the International Date Line where Five-O fans live.) I hope you can keep track of everything. Complicating things is the fact that while I am in the PST time zone, the place where the Discussion Forum is hosted is in the Mountain Time zone, which is an hour different.

Just remember, this writing challenge is NOT in the discussion forum here. If you contribute here, I will laugh at you (and I will NOT approve the posting to boot). It is on the Memories of Hawaii Five-O WWW site, which is located at http://bit.ly/vKKFER

Added: Friday 04 November 2011 04:00:45 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

"McGarrett DIES!" ...yes Otto, VASHON I-II-III ...the standard by which all things Five-0 is judged.

Added: Thursday 03 November 2011 22:06:51 MST


Submitted by: Otto
From: Manhattan

Chick sez: "...one a McGarrett’s most epic struggles." Yessir.

There are so many incredible episodes throughout the Five-O canon, but the Vashon Trilogy definitely holds a certain 'gold standard' for the real fans. And 'epic struggle' is quite the term for the Vashon predicament. Their malignant presence on 'this rock' makes Wofat look like a bumbling tourist!!!

Added: Thursday 03 November 2011 21:04:39 MST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Jack Lord Country

“I think today when most of us are disgusted with the way the world is being run and have no use for people with that lack of integrity, the (McGarrett) character remains enduring and admired. Although unfortunately in today's world the character would probably lose his job because of those admirable qualities.”

Great points, Rainbow Warrior. Reminds me a “Guarnerius Caper” where Steve-O buck both the Guv’s & D.C.’s orders to stand down cause he jus won’t let the killers of elderly violinist Mazzini go free. Guv done warn em that DC will come ‘lookin for scalps’ and he could be Pau as Five-O head.

The fact that he go down the line - putting his career at risk - as well as that great scene where he explainin his passion for seekin justice to Ed Flanders Soviet violinist make this ep so Out-Standin!

And Chicken also love that ransomer’s line to Al Paulsen’s KGBer as they discuss the logistics of gettin cash for the violin: “Listen Commissar – I am not interested in your problems!”

My fave endin gots to be when Steve-O flip down that gold V Vashon paperweight on Ole Nick’s desk. Great conclude to one a McGarrett’s most epic struggles.

Yeah Steve!

Added: Thursday 03 November 2011 20:04:59 MST


Submitted by: Otto
From: Manhattan

Holy Sh--, favorite ending? How can we possibly choose ONE? Off the top of my head: SKINHEAD, with that weird symmetrical framing and zoom on Kenner. Or 10,000 Pardons... with its uncomfortably abrupt dispatching of the Sergeant (no chance to "book 'em", but perhaps, "Bury 'em, Danno!") Or maybe, the ending of the first VASHON episode, with McG saying, "No, YOU killed him." Good stuff.

Added: Thursday 03 November 2011 19:58:17 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

@ H, thank u for the SINGAPORE FILE clip. wow! great ending, great score which made me wanna :!cry: , whatta great great backdrop of the skies and the final shot! "aloha pretty girl . aloha." :!cry:

loved Lord's reaction as she leaves at 7:41 mark

Added: Thursday 03 November 2011 15:50:31 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

300O MILES----"aloha! aloha suckers!"

Added: Thursday 03 November 2011 13:38:32 MST


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

Favorite ending? - two that come to mind is the ending for, "Hookman", with the way McGarrett looks after seeing his name engraved on the M:1 while the Morton Stevens' music plays out.
That "this could have been me" look is a classic!

The other one is from, "One Big Happy Family", when McGarrett softly says, "Book Them" and then they all get up slowly out of their chairs, again while the Stevens' score plays out. Creepy!

Outstanding stuff, indeed...:)

Added: Thursday 03 November 2011 12:55:03 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

But Ringfire, it's not the passport which McGarrett slams on the desk. As I point out in my "anal-ysis" of this episode:

At the end, it looks like McGarrett throws Wo Fat's phony passport on his desk. Unfortunately (especially since I have perpetuated this idea for many years on my WWW pages), this is not correct. If you freeze-frame the sequence of events very carefully, you can see that McGarrett actually throws a small black book which was on the right side of the desk. The passport stays where McGarrett dropped it on his desk prior to Jonathan Kaye entering the room.

Added: Thursday 03 November 2011 12:12:22 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Wow! I can't even come up with my favorite. I keep thinking about the ending of "The Jinn Who Clears the Way" where a furious McG slams Wo's passport on his desk. Then freeze-frame. Classic! But that particular episode is not a big favorite of mine. In any case there are so many classic endings but this one always springs to mind. I also love the freeze-frame in "Nightmare in Blue" - the way the frame freezes on the sunglasses of the rapist cop who just got killed. Powerful ending!

Added: Thursday 03 November 2011 11:16:50 MST


Submitted by: Big H
From: Aloha, pretty girl....

Warrior says>>"Let's find out what everybody's favorite ending was to an an old Five-o show? Post your favorite here."

And here is mine: http://bit.ly/tkKKwG (scroll forward to 6:07)

Added: Thursday 03 November 2011 09:51:48 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Okay, Ringfire and Big H gave me an idea. Let's find out what everybody's favorite ending was to an an old Five-o show? Post your favorite here.

Big Chicken: I like your comments about McGARRETT being uncompromising, I think that's what made the character so enduring. However, I think the audience knew that in the real world there weren't many real life heroes like that around, which is why Lord's portrait of a man who didn't let go of his principles no matter what the cost( ex-Once Upon a Time Part I and II-"Steve just this once can't you back off.;) I think hit a nerve of love for so many people, because of the qualities that he represented. Remember this show came of age and began in the age of Vietnam, the Corruption of Watergate, the wake of the JFK, RFK, MLK killings which was a time when it seemed everybody in power was corrupt or had no principles and along comes this show with a powerful state cop who had his faults but had integrity of the highest order and that resonated with people. I think today when most of us are disgusted with the way the world is being run and have no use for people with that lack of integrity, the character remains enduring and admired. Although unfortunately in today's world the character would probably lose his job because of those admirable qualities. People who stand up for their integrity and morals aren't prized anymore. He was also stridently anti-communist which is always good ;)

"All the King's Horses" to me... Chicken... remains one of the most well written and complex scripts in the run OF the series. That episode was beautifully scripted and tied together all the threads of the story wonderfully.

Finally, I always thought that a new Five-O should have been made a movie rather than a new tv series. The old show was such a classic it really didn't need to be remade into another tv show, but a movie franchise was the next logical step. I have articles from the 1990's when the legal rights to the property were involved in a mess of lawsuits that said "I think" that Warner Brothers or maybe another studio( I don't remember)wanted to do a movie with Harrison Ford or Michael Douglas(Ben Afflack was also mentioned-yuck) in the lead playing Steve, and turn it into a franchise like James Bond or Jack Ryan,.... and I always felt that was the way to go, and if done right like the Ford version of the "Fugitive" was..... it would have honored the original story.

Added: Thursday 03 November 2011 07:09:56 MST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Seattle

Hey Mr. Mike, even though many a them Seasons 10-to-12 eps fall far short of Shakespearean quality, Jack does adopt that Shakespearean look whiles undercover in the finale with Wo Fat. :D

Added: Wednesday 02 November 2011 23:20:44 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The ultimate box set:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B005ZEM932/

Note the season 12 box still has the "Kamekona/Governor" artwork...

Added: Wednesday 02 November 2011 19:57:03 MST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: The Tao of Steve

“ ….he tells her father Mailer that his money isn't going to bail his daughter out of trouble this time and he adds "not in this state." That's McGarrett for you. Other states may be corrupt but Hawaii under my watch is different. We have honor here, we have integrity, we have character while I'm in charge.“

Hey Rainbow Warrior, dig your insights on “Joker's Wild.” That really capture the essence a Steve McGarrett. Like in “All Kings Horses” when he go down the line for Mike Finney. Think ‘Horses’ epitomizes what makes Jack Lord’s McGarrett so timeless.

McGarrett be an existential hero, guided not only by the law and the ideal of justice, but by his own principles and moral code.

In a world o' compromisers an the compromised, McGarrett done stand tall.

Added: Wednesday 02 November 2011 19:46:34 MST


Submitted by: Big H
From: Right here....

Ringfire says..."Perfect ending indeed! That's really what separates Five-0 from other cop shows of that time." Speaking of separation, that ep (Joker's Wild) and other countless eps from 12 years also shows that 5-0 1.0 displayed plots about regular (small-time) people who for whatever reason decided to just break the law...eps like "And They Painted Daisies on His Coffin", "A Thousand Pardons" or who can forget "One Big Happy Family". Eps like these gave 5-0 a sense of authenticity, while the new series just hasn't caught on to that yet. They (the writers) seem to be more captivated with going after the kingpins of Hawaiian crime all the time. This characteristic (to me) also separates the old 5-0 from the new.

Speaking of kingpins, the fight sequence in last week's ep between Joe and Wo was really first rate. (I cringed every time Wo punched Joe in the kidneys!!) That sequence had to have taken the better part of a day to film. O'Quinn really delivers in every scene he's in and provides the show with some much-needed acting chops.

Added: Wednesday 02 November 2011 14:17:32 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

This "Crime Wave" thing is a short music video which has clips of the old show accompanied by sort of a hip-hop song (merging "old with new," I guess you could say). The final version may be different than what I saw, though, since I was asked for my input...

Added: Wednesday 02 November 2011 13:55:39 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

much much better on the season 12 dvd set

crime wave feature? what's that about?

and saw DISTANT THUNDER, that was some weak fight in the van where danno gets kidnapped but it's pursued by duke and cops. that nazi sure looked like he wanted to be kicked out of the van doors by danno.

Added: Wednesday 02 November 2011 13:42:02 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Two reviews of the last show from opposite sides of the spectrum.

http://whtc.com/news/articles/2011/nov/02/hawaii-five-0-recap-ka-iwi-kapu/

http://www.tvfanatic.com/2011/11/hawaii-five-o-review-ka-iwi-kapu/

Added: Wednesday 02 November 2011 12:00:34 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

"Not true, Ringfire, there were several "cornball" endings in the last seasons, especially season 11, where the episode would be wrapped up with some humorous banter (read: lame attempt at humor) between McGarrett and others, similar to Malden/Douglas at the end of SOSF episodes, or some Hallmark Card banalities uttered by McGarrett himself."

Those attempts at humor weren't meant to be hilarious like in a sitcom, but light-hearted moments to relieve the gravity of the storyline. They weren't a common staple at the end of each episode, though.

As for Steve's "Hallmark card" banalities - and this is based on the season 11 episodes I did see, which is not all of them - they were more attempts to be light-hearted. It's not as though he was trying to say something along the lines of one of those greeting-card poems. The philosophical and moral remarks me makes are not long and preachy, but a sentence or two that gets the point across without overdoing it.

Added: Wednesday 02 November 2011 11:26:39 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

"Five-0 never stooped down to that cornball level."

Not true, Ringfire, there were several "cornball" endings in the last seasons, especially season 11, where the episode would be wrapped up with some humorous banter (read: lame attempt at humor) between McGarrett and others, similar to Malden/Douglas at the end of SOSF episodes, or some Hallmark Card banalities uttered by McGarrett himself.

Of course, the episodes in many cases were crap, so it's not like it really detracted from Shakespearean quality. ;)

Added: Wednesday 02 November 2011 10:54:58 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"That scene where Stumbles throws his bottle of hard liquor into the ocean at the end as if to say "I'm not wasting my life on booze anymore and I'm putting it together" was so powerful and one of my favorites."

Perfect ending indeed! That's really what separates Five-0 from other cop shows of that time. On a show like "The Streets of San Francisco" (another show I liked) you would have a typical epilogue (the way most Quinn Martin shows had) where you would have some corny banter between Karl Malden and Michael Douglas to wrap things up. This would very often distract from an otherwise great story that we just witnessed. Totally unnecessary. Five-0 never stooped down to that cornball level. It very often finished with a real BANG! Then freeze-frame. Classic!

Added: Wednesday 02 November 2011 09:54:58 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Big Chicken, Big H, Ringfire:

I watched season two's "The Joker's Wild Man, Wild!" last night and it's the perfect example of the old Five-O ending with "a bang" that gave me a rush, something to think about, and just saying plain "wow" at the end. That scene where Stumbles throws his bottle of hard liquor into the ocean at the end as if to say "I'm not wasting my life on booze anymore and I'm putting it together" was so powerful and one of my favorites. The scenery for this episode was gorgeous and I was thinking that one of the key's to Jack Lord's portrayal of McGarret was the inflection in his voice. For example when he tells Jo Louise in the office "....and finally, the KILL card." and another subtle insight into his character that I talked about after viewing "Singapore File" when he tells her father Mailer that his money isn't going to bail his daughter out of trouble this time and he adds "not in this state." That's McGarrett for you. Other states may be corrupt but Hawaii under my watch is different. We have honor here, we have integrity, we have character while I'm in charge. Season two is a rush!

Anyone have the info on why the cover art for season two has the Hawaii Five-O title words outlined in yellow while the rest of the seasons box cover art, the words were all in the customary red? Just felt like changing it up that year?

Added: Wednesday 02 November 2011 07:06:32 MST


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

That Jerry Goldsmith 40 Years Of Film Music is great - I also have this set and it features some great arrangements by Morton Stevens, such as BOTH the "TV Medley" as well as the "Motion Picture Medley" - also, that's Mort's arrangement for the "Russia House" theme on this 4-CD set

It just goes to show you how much Jerry liked Mort's music - also, Intrada's wonderful 2-CD set of "Masada" features some more great music by both, Jerry and Mort.

FYI...:)

Added: Tuesday 01 November 2011 18:34:31 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

It's the style that a lot of young actors use these days... to act like they’re not acting. It's all in his eyes... AOL's cold, dead eyes... and his stare… you gotta stare back into his eyes. Only then will you ‘get‘ him.

TV shows that have weak writing and weak acting must find ways to provide additional content, so they turn to the Holy Trinity of -shootouts, -car crashes, and -explosions. All sizzle, no steak. Throw a bunch of shitty music on top of it all and you've got "FIVE-O-ADHD"

Added: Tuesday 01 November 2011 17:01:51 MST


Submitted by: Thelma
From: Austin, Texas.

Seems to me they are not even trying with the new Hawaii 50.
The plots they are using have been used over and over in another shows. And some of them could work in LA or NY , but they feel totally ridiculous in Hawaii.
Yesterday was soooo boring that I fell to sleep too. When I woke up my boyfriend had changed the channel to NBC and I didn't even ask him to change it back.
I am sorry but the new McGarrett with his one & only staring into-the sun expression is enough to put anyone to sleep.

Added: Tuesday 01 November 2011 15:01:55 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"John Barry and Goldsmith are my favs when it comes to soundtracks"

WOW! Those 2 are actually my favorites. In that order too! John Williams would be my #3 pick.

Added: Tuesday 01 November 2011 15:00:43 MST


Submitted by: Elaine
From: Watertown. MA

Tried to watch last night's show of HF-Zero and fell asleep again. I didn't find anything about this show interesting. Some of the other crime dramas have already covered the black market body parts plot (Bones to name just one) so it wasn't particularly interesting to me....It also seems like Kono's role has been relegated to left field....I feel bad for Grace Park in this respect.

I am however watching Season 11 of the original. Last night I watched Distant Thunder and Death Mask. There were a few continuity errors (Danno left the building in a cream-colored suit and when he got back to Five-O he was in a Navy suit....things like that, but the plots were basically okay if a bit obvious in places.

Mike, I know you are a music officianado....I just got the Jerry Goldsmith 40 years of film classic CD and it is awesome. JG is conducting the Prague City Symphony and there are a few pieces that could have been done better, but it is an awesome CD. John Barry and Goldsmith are my favs when it comes to soundtracks and this collection is worth having if you don't already have it!

Added: Tuesday 01 November 2011 14:03:27 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

last nite's boring show had a whoa moment: when danny meets the gardener outside the apt complex, i coulda swore that was jack lord's home. it was shown in an INSIDE EDITION report

not this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAPYvq0nwiI

there was another one reported by a man and i can't seem to find it on youtube now. it showed the complex similar to the one shown last nite.

otherwise, this is the worst one since the General Pak one last season. grade D

Added: Tuesday 01 November 2011 13:50:36 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Also, on last night's episode, they showed the Kahala Beach Apartments (under another name). That is where Jack and Marie Lord lived. The apartment where Scott Caan's character was going to live was an actual two-bedroom apartment in the complex as evidenced by the kitchen arrangement and the closet-front door-closet layout in the living room. Compare this to that seen in "Full Fathom Five." The so-called hotel room where Patricia Smith's Helen May Carlson was staying was actually one of the Kahala Beach apartments.

Added: Tuesday 01 November 2011 13:40:55 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Thanks, Mike. Effort well rewarded. The revised cover art is MUCH better! Paying homage to those who appeared all 12 years is a wonderful idea, but consistently showcasing the detectives for the season is even better. It's also good that they are showing everyone as they appeared in Season 12. Job well done!

Added: Tuesday 01 November 2011 13:06:10 MST


Submitted by: Big City Gal
From: NYC

"James and Melody weren't married when TDAMG was filmed. I read that this was when they met. I don't know for sure."

They met on the set of "The Angry Breed." A must see for those who love horrible B-movies, btw.

JM had two kids with Joyce Bulifant, Charles and Mary.

Added: Tuesday 01 November 2011 11:27:16 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Thanks Vrinda and Big City Gal for all that info. I didn't realize that James had all that going on in his personal life. I'm still sad that he passed away even a year later. :!cry:

Added: Tuesday 01 November 2011 09:37:38 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The revised season 12 box art is at the same place mentioned before, the TVShowsonDVD.com WWW site:

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Hawaii-Five-O-Season-12/16156

My own participation in getting this done remains a secret (LOL).

Added: Tuesday 01 November 2011 09:09:57 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Last night's episode was a big disappointment to me, even more than the one the week before:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/2010-logtwo.htm#7

Added: Tuesday 01 November 2011 09:07:30 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Hi RW,

James and Melody weren't married when TDAMG was filmed. I read that this was when they met. I don't know for sure. They got married in 1970 and divorced in either 1974 or 1975 and had no children. James had a daughter, Juliette, around 1977 with another woman in the years after that divorce and before his third marriage. He never gave her name. His third marriage was to a golf pro named Helen Beth Duntz (did I spell that correctly?). They had one son, Jamie. He's in his late twenties. His first was actress Joyce Bulifant. She played Murray's wife, Marie, on The Mary Tyler Moore Show. He had two or three children with her. I don't know if any of James's kids are acting.

Added: Tuesday 01 November 2011 08:03:19 MST


Submitted by: Big City Gal
From: NYC

JMAc and Melody Patterson were married from 1970-75. From comments he made through the years, seems it wasn't a particularly amiable split.

In the early 80's, he married former pro-golfer H.B. Duntz and had a son with her. That marriage lasted until his death last year.

Added: Tuesday 01 November 2011 07:31:29 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

I watched the "Devil and Mr. Frog" last week from season two and I got a kick out of seeing James MacArthur and his then wife Melody Patterson act together in that episode even though it was very briefly. Anyone know how long they were married and how many times JM was married after that?

Also, I loved the visuals in this episode and I was wondering about the behind the scenes history of the old show during the second season. It looks to me that the shows budget was increased significantly in season two( even McGarrett's office is expanded as we see many characters sitting on his white couch in this show and during the second season) which greatly improved the visual dramatic storytelling. By this time in the old show's run had the old 5-0 become enough of a ratings success that CBS was pumping more and more money into it because it knew it was a winner? It looks like it.

Added: Tuesday 01 November 2011 07:12:11 MST


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