The Hawaii Five-O Home Page Guestbook -- November 2010 (Part 2)



The following are archived comments from November, 2010 (this is the second part). After looking around, please add your own comments!

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Submitted by: Ray
From: Portsmouth, NH

OT: Contact with Elizabeth Logue friend. I received a message from a good college friend of Elizabeth Logue, and she asked me to keep the specific details of our correspondence between us. Of course we all remember Elizabeth as a beautiful icon of the old Five-O, and the face that launched a thousand flights to Hawaii, but the thoughtful reminiscence conveyed to me about Elizabeth reveals an incredibly intelligent, thoughtful, and compassionate friend. To learn about such a warm and intimate friendship between two people was quite moving. After learning about various family and former acquaintances stepping forward online to refute rumors of her passing, this friend was ecstatic in realizing that Elizabeth may still be around, and I think would welcome a re-connection with her if at all possible.

She wishes to maintain contact with me in case I can provide her with any more information. I have her contact info, and if any reliable source should come forward here on Mike's site to inquire about her college buddy, then I am more than happy to put them in touch with each other through email. If discretion is preferred, I will suggest contacting Mike Quigley offline, the owner of this site, and I will gladly pass along the contact information. Mike is the most credible source with whom I would trust in passing along this information.

@Mike, please feel free to hit me up at my email, if you can offer mediation.

Added: Saturday 20 November 2010 21:30:08 PST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

Found an interesting article but having trouble with posting the link so I'll just post the excerpt.
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Alex O’Loughlin on McGarrett: "I’ve been like a baby with a rattle"
November 19, 2010 By mizzoh

The odd-couple pairing of the stoic but zealous Steve McGarrett with the hot-headed but strait-laced Danny Williams is a match made in heaven and that it works is a testament to the skills of both actors involved.

Many critics, however, have been quick to credit only Scott Caan while ignoring the fact that it takes two to perform that particular television tango.

An excerpt from an article in The Straits Times today reveals Alex’s and Scott’s apparent thoughts on that topic:

Finding the opportunity to express emotion while staying within the boundaries of the rigid hero is tricky, O’Loughlin, 34, admits. "I’m the first one to say please let him kill someone or do something naughty," he says.

"Taking off my sunglasses like this," he adds, mimicking David Caruso’s much parodied idiosyncrasy in CSI: Miami, "is bull****, and I will never do it. Ultimately, what it comes down to for me is character. They’ve tried to take it away, and I’ve been like a baby with a rattle."

Caan is backing up O’Loughlin, whom critics say he has eclipsed in the show.

"It’s obviously a nice thing to hear, but people overlook that Alex’s job is a lot harder than mine," says the stocky, square-jawed actor.

"He’s not allowed to have fun. Every time he does something loose, they’re like, no, that’s not McGarrett. So I’ve sort of been set up to be the guy that has fun and makes the show light, and you always win as that guy."

Added: Saturday 20 November 2010 19:37:34 PST


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: Uganda

To follow Heather's thread, but to take it off this rock, i would submit that brutal dictators are neither left nor right, but merely power tripping pigs whose only aim is to indulge their sickest desires.

Case in point: A movie commissioned by Idi Amin to showcase his own greatness, an unusual situation perhaps. The great Barbet Schroeder accepted the challenge to make this 1974 'self portrait' of that crazy man. I promise you all that this movie is truly fascinating:

http://goo.gl/jDPHn

Added: Saturday 20 November 2010 16:50:54 PST


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Mike: "As far as I'm concerned, this isn't Danno just being an asshole in character, but being a left-wing mouthpiece."

So all brutal dictators are right-wingers? Good to know! :D

Added: Saturday 20 November 2010 16:08:47 PST


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Rick: Yeah, poor Al Harrington. The reports of his death are greatly exaggerated. :D

Added: Saturday 20 November 2010 15:54:37 PST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

"Judging from the comments I've read on the web, a lot of people love the new Danno and his loudmouthed attitude."

I don't really care if Danno wants to keep mouthing off to McGarrett, though this gets very tiresome and suggests to me that Danno suffers from some syndrome like a network TV version of coprolalia.

In the last episode, on the other hand, he started mouthing off about the way the security bigshot Tom Matthews was doing his job to the guy's face, then he turned around and started ridiculing McGarrett's SEAL buddy Nick Taylor because of the special lingo they were using, referring to Taylor (again, to his face) as an "animal," and suggesting that Taylor's client (the evil dictator General Pak) was less than ideal because of his background which included things like ethnic cleansing.

As far as I'm concerned, this isn't Danno just being an asshole in character, but being a left-wing mouthpiece.

Added: Saturday 20 November 2010 15:43:25 PST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

From Lenkov's alternate universe (The Advertiser article)... "Much of "CSI: Miami" was shot in L.A., he said, which meant that in post-production the color had to be "goosed up" to catch that sunny Florida glow. >>>No such trickery is needed in "Five-O,"<<< he said." ...Really?

And this from philSTAR... "The stars of the original Hawaii Five-O are all gone — Jack Lord who played the iconic crime-buster Steve McGarrett, James MacArthur (son of the legendary Helen Hayes, First Lady of Theater) as Dan Williams, Kam Fong as Chin Ho >>>and Al Harrington as Ben."<<< ...WTF?

Added: Saturday 20 November 2010 15:30:16 PST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Here is another article by an journalist, confirming that there was indeed some kind of a press junket, likely connected with the show's starting to be broadcast recently in certain Asian markets.

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=632001&publicationSubCategoryId=70

It suggests in this article that the mother of Nanette Medved, a Filipino actress born in Hawaii, played McGarrett's secretary. I don't think so.

I tried to research this fact through Google, but you get the same pages OVER AND OVER with the same information stolen from the imdb.com trivia section on this woman, plus a couple of other pages.

Added: Saturday 20 November 2010 15:10:05 PST


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

From the Malaysia article: "Since the producers want the original McGarrett’s characteristics to remain almost intact"

LOL!! Really? They do? Then they should write him that way.

Added: Saturday 20 November 2010 14:27:21 PST


Submitted by: boris
From: spfld ma

where's Hans?

Added: Saturday 20 November 2010 14:19:49 PST


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

To be honest with you, I doubt that most fans gave a hoot about "The Process", the detailed detective work, etc. I think "Hawaii Five-0" became a big hit and stayed popular for years because of the remarkable theme and opening titles, the Hawaii setting, the exciting action, and the appealing characters of the Five-0 team, most importantly Jack's McGarrett, with his unique style and star power. Character is what keeps stories alive, not clever plotting. Especially on a TV series, where audiences tune in week after week to spend time with their favorite characters. But I do agree that the variation in plots was important, because we like to see how the characters face new situations and challenges.

Without good, interesting characters, you're hosed.

The new show made a crucial error in failing to establish McGarrett's character right away. Part of that is the weak dialogue and part of it is the nature of the story they've set up, where he sort of falls into the central role and is feeling his way. The old show took off right out of the box because McG was already the big powerful Head of Five-0, with everybody kowtowing to him. That charismatic authority expanded to mythic proportions as the show went on.

Added: Saturday 20 November 2010 14:12:17 PST


Submitted by: Otto Mannix

MJQ: Yes, the fading is the biggest fear with old films. Most old color film that hasn't been stored properly fades into murky shades of magenta, not good. As for the Flintstones part, i didn't notice that. And for $150, i'd want to know that it hasn't faded much. Some scratches are OK.

But i have always wanted to have an episode on 16mm. What a gas that would be!

Added: Saturday 20 November 2010 13:33:29 PST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The article posted by Sun A Lee below originates from Malaysia. Although a lot of stuff in the article echoes what was said by the producers/actors quite a long time ago, there was a press junket to Hawaii a few weeks ago which I suspect the person who wrote this article participated in.

Added: Saturday 20 November 2010 13:31:04 PST


Submitted by: boris
From: spfld ma

from Charter for Death (paraphrase) -

Danno: Go over these log books, Che. Problem is the crew was French. How's your French?

Che: About as good as your Chinese.

Added: Saturday 20 November 2010 13:08:52 PST


Submitted by: Sun A Lee
From: Laurel Springs

Article with the new guys.
//bit.ly/9B4Zm5

Added: Saturday 20 November 2010 13:06:16 PST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

16mm prints are no bargain if they are of the same quality (faded color, scratched, etc.) as those of the legendary print of Bored She Hung Herself, video copies of which have been floating around for years. There is nothing in the Ebay description to indicate whether the quality of these prints is any good.

And what the hell is this? "Original 1968 Hawaii Five-O 16mm Film TV Flintstones - Jack Lord"

There is also the Five-O game for sale on Ebay, not particularly cheap: http://bit.ly/93Ytlx

Added: Saturday 20 November 2010 12:40:24 PST


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: They named it twice

16mm prints of six or seven episodes on the big auction site for $150. Including Nightmare in Blue, and Over Fifty, Steal.

Added: Saturday 20 November 2010 10:40:21 PST


Submitted by: Sylvia
From: Classic TV land

The character of Che was around from virtually the very beginning, but played by other actors for the first season-and-a-half until Endo took the role with "Blind Tiger." (That episode also has one of my favorite Chin Ho scenes; at the bombing scene, he tells the police photographer to capture every angle, and then make a few up. :D )

BTW, I think the writer who criticized the Endo obit goofed himself on the spelling of Al Eben's name......

(Speaking of Eben, I have to wonder how in the world it took Leonard Freeman into the fourth season to figure out Eben would be perfect for the role of Doc when he appeared in Season 1's "Yesterday Died" as another doctor. Well, no one's perfect. :!thinking:

Added: Saturday 20 November 2010 10:25:06 PST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Spirit of Five-O

You done said it best, Elaine, on the essential spirit of the Five-O. Chicken can’t think of any other police show except for "The Wire" that show the real ‘work’ involved in D-tective work like the Five-O. Like when theyse goin over every inch of that apartment in "Painted Daisies" or Chin & Kono goin over the crime scene in "Run, Johnny" ("Wait a minute, brudda, is that gun loaded?")

Sure, McGarrett had his hunches and brainstorms, like the great iconic fictional detectives, but without all the pieces from, and the legwork done, by the Five-O team he couldn’t be reachin those conclusions.

It's like when Chin Ho balk at Steve askin him to find a bullet fired: "Why do I always get stuck with these jobs!"
An Steve-O tell em "Because your so good at it."

Hawaii Five-O be about some bad ass Po-Leece. And the show be pretty dam close to being perfect, indeed.

Added: Saturday 20 November 2010 10:24:14 PST


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

DJ: "it seems to be that people are most upset with this new Dano and his never ending poutiness. You would think the writers would gauge this and change it as time goes on."

Judging from the comments I've read on the web, a lot of people love the new Danno and his loudmouthed attitude. Scott Caan has many enthusiastic fans based on his performance in this show. I like him too, and have said so repeatedly on this guestbook.

Furthermore, the makers of the new show are under no obligation to alter the show based on the opinions of people on this guestbook, most of whom dislike the new show for the wrong reasons.

Added: Saturday 20 November 2010 09:59:51 PST


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: NYC

Rick, thanks for posting the obit. I'm glad people have CHE on their minds this weekend. Thanks also for the comment on the OMR. Yes, i do try to behave on this site, with varying results!!!

Added: Saturday 20 November 2010 09:50:17 PST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

"What do you have for me Che?" ...bit.ly/95XpRw

Added: Saturday 20 November 2010 09:41:13 PST


Submitted by: Elaine
From: Watertown, MA, USA

Mr. Mike: The spirit of the essential Five-O? It was, to my mind, an amalgam. Good acting, good scripts, good music, but mostly well-paced detective work that followed a Process and out-smarted the bad guys in the end. Kudos to Che Fong as the earliest CSI I can think of. Five-O was way ahead of its time back then, using forensics when forensic science was still in its infancy. And how can we forget the use of the Big Brain...using some of earliest computers (magnetic tape and punch cards!) to help narrow down the possibilities and give the detectives a hand. Or Che Fong taking apart McGarrett's car piece by piece until one of his associates finds a piece that doesn't belong in it to lead them to the Volkswagon mechanic who planted the bomb in Blind Tiger! Today, with high-speed computers, DNA and all the fancy forensic tests available, detective work isn't what it used to be, which was mostly dridgery, lots of leg-work and following hunches. But the plots were mostly good, the scripts well-written and the cast was excellent. And although McGarrett was undoubtedly the leader with insight and called most of the shots, it was clear to everyone that he would have been lost without his team to do most of the dirty work, ferreting out info and chasing down leads. The variety of storylines was also far ahead of its time...from crooks with briefcases to sons of Hawaii in trouble with the law or the Navy or whatever. So in retrospect, the original Five-O had it all. No, it was not perfect, but it was pretty close to being perfect (continuity glitches aside) for the first 10 years or so. And yes, there were a few "dog" episodes but most of the 24 epsisodes made each year were pretty decent, all things considered.

Added: Saturday 20 November 2010 09:00:05 PST


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: The Lab

According to IMDB, Harry Endo appeared in 114 episodes, first as a character named Kaspar in "Which Way Did They Go?", and then as the Great Che Fong thereafter.

Herman Wedemeyer was in 151 episodes.
Zulu was in 99 episodes.
Al Harrington was in 64 episodes.

Let us now pause to reflect upon these numbers.

Added: Saturday 20 November 2010 08:56:57 PST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa to guest star on Five-O as a "sophisticated bad guy" (in the same episode as Mark Dacascos, the new Wo Fat): http://bit.ly/bEZW6k

Added: Saturday 20 November 2010 08:11:21 PST


Submitted by: DJ
From: Kalamazoo,MI

It is interesting to read a few pages of this guestbook, it seems to be that people are most upset with this new Dano and his never ending poutiness. You would think the writers would gauge this and change it as time goes on.Furthermore;I can remember Lord- Steve sitting with the Governor under a tree in the park, the Governor is eating lunch and offers Steve an apple as they discuss pressing issues about visitors and the people of Hawaii being threatened. What a contrast to the new episodes with the depiction of Hawaiian society in the new series.It leaves us wondering if we are stuck in the Congo with rabid navy seals lurking behind every palm tree.There seems to be no dedication to anything but the personal lives of the characters and their personal issues at home or their former lives. If they want this show to be special, they need to quickly rid this series of the bizarre and unusual techniques/themses and get on with detective work instead of military secret operations and Divorce court. They are just not utilizing the possibilities for a great show to be.It also reminds me of Northern Exposure we all knew the doctor was tired of Alaska before the plane landed him there, by the last show we all wished his plane had crashed before it ever left the lower 48 talk about beating a dead horse!

Added: Saturday 20 November 2010 07:30:42 PST


Submitted by: boris
From: springfield ma

Heather, don't let that fool you. Che was criminal investigative scientific force.

Added: Saturday 20 November 2010 06:18:45 PST


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

I LOVED Che Fong. Such a merry little guy. Always a breath of fresh air.

Added: Friday 19 November 2010 22:11:17 PST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Truth Be Told

Yeah, Tiger a great, great ep, Otto. The way Jerry n’ Allen flip like that, goin from scammers to kidnappers, then potential murders. Chillin stuff.

Boris, Chicken seen the pilot and 1st episode of the ‘new show’ and can attest that your analysis is spot on, brudda. As you say, thems some rotten pineapples

Added: Friday 19 November 2010 22:07:08 PST


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Elaine: I remember Magnum well - I watched a lot of it trying to catch a glimpse of old H50 character actors etc. - I just never liked the show much. It was a harmless diversion but nothing I got too excited about. I liked the "serious" episodes, e.g., the Vietnam-related ones, even less than the light humorous ones.

Mike: about Lenkov's Danno comment: "When I saw Danno on that show I always felt like he didn't look like he belonged in Hawaii. So what's he doing in Hawaii? He just didn't look like he belonged there. I don't know why."

This is strange, because to me, Jack's McGarrett was the one who didn't look like he belonged in Hawaii. He was all uptight and East Coast. He had a Brooklyn accent, for god's sake. In the new show, they've flipped it around.

Added: Friday 19 November 2010 22:06:47 PST


Submitted by: boris
From: spfld ma

I hear they're getting Jimmy Fallon to play Che Fong in the remake.

Added: Friday 19 November 2010 22:02:28 PST


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: the depths of hell

I'm with ya, Boris. I was just wonderin'.

Added: Friday 19 November 2010 21:57:52 PST


Submitted by: boris
From: spfld ma

Right, Chicken. They really had something to say back in the original, a real vision. Not story time, not filler.

Otto, I have not seen a frame of the new show. And yet I have seen it - a million times. You begin to know which pineapples are rotten without cuttin' into em', bruddah. I don't have a tv anymore. I don't have cable. I miss watching the Celtics but that's about it. My computer plays Five-0 and other DVDs just fine. I feel fully justified to critisize and condemn the new show without having seen so much as a trailer for it. I know, got it?, know... that it totally sucks ass.

Added: Friday 19 November 2010 21:54:32 PST


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: NYC

Chick: Damn, you're so right about that scene, it's one of my favorites in all of the Five. I think Jerry, in total desperation, also says something like, "ya gotta do it, Bobby." Pretty sweaty stuff. Classic ep.

Added: Friday 19 November 2010 21:51:55 PST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Viva Che Fong!

You right on, Boris - Jack, James, Kam & Zulu, they conveyed the characters through their portrayals. Original Five-O episodes were tight, no need for all that expositionin back stories.

Otto, Chicken watched alota 70s cop show reruns and no show had that crime scene forensic investigatin like the Five had with Che. Truly ahead of their time, they was, and Che Fong was a great addition to the show an the team.

Hey- Jerry Babee! Chicken loves it when you tellin Bobby "C’mon, take the pills. Otherwise I gotta use the gun, it’s gonna hurt. All your life you had it so easy, why can’t you make it easy for somebody else!"

Added: Friday 19 November 2010 21:40:18 PST


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: NYC

Boris: A while back you said you'd never watch the new show. I have adopted the same policy, but you criticize the show as though you HAVE seen it. Have you stuck to your guns or are you cheating?

Added: Friday 19 November 2010 21:13:09 PST


Submitted by: boric
From: spfld ma

I love how in Hookman, when Che determines that the letters on the gold plates were hand stamped because they were off by 9/1000 or 1/1000 of an inch, and the human eye can only detect 10/1000 of an inch, when McG tells him, "Good work, Che", you see Che in the forefront of the shot, turing off his microscope light and putting the cover on, in short, taking care of business (business as usual), proud but not gloating, waiting, like a microprocessor, for the next moment to be helpful.

Che could be the star of his own show, and yet he's just a role player in the great show. Che Fong - 6th man of the year!

Added: Friday 19 November 2010 20:26:30 PST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Jerry Parks sure is raising his glass to CHE, bay-bee!! :!cool: Faaar out! CHE was a gas, maaan!! I dug the cat. And the cat wasn't even around when I was putting the blade to Bobby's throat. Shame I never got to meet him - Mr. Five-0 blew me away. What a downer, baby. But I got word about CHE from Chris Vashon after that cat got blown away by Mr. Five-0 too. Chris and I gassed a lot (still do) - he filled me in on CHE's legendary status. BTW, it's awful hot down here for me and Chris. So all you cats behave up there, y'hear?

Added: Friday 19 November 2010 20:19:22 PST


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: The Lab

It's occurred to me recently that Harry Endo should have got better billing on the show. Maybe even opening credit status near the middle seasons. McG couldn't have solved half that shit without the comprehensive scientific book-learnin' of the the great CHE FONG.

Raise your glasses to CHE!!! No, not that murdering commie on the t-shirts, i'm talkin' about CHE FONG, man!!!

Added: Friday 19 November 2010 19:58:16 PST


Submitted by: boris
From: springfield ma

back stories are LAME. It's the 'show don't tell' axiom with writing and film. I hate to be "told a story". I loved the fact, that the original series didnt use these kinds of buttons to attract audience or induce curiosity. Any yet the characters - Steve, Danny, Chin, Kono, Ben, Che, Doc and the rest - were not robots but had extremely human traits. But things were way less obvious in the original, way more interesting. It played to a higher appeal, eventhough it was also good as a strict action gas and study in depravity.

Added: Friday 19 November 2010 19:42:57 PST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: In Jack We Trust

Well said, brudda Otto. Jack Lord IS Steve McGarrett. Accept no imitations.

Praise The Lord! Jack Lord! :!sun:

Added: Friday 19 November 2010 18:44:59 PST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Keepin it Real with The Real-Deal Hawaii Five-O

Far be it for Chicken to be arguin with you Mister Mike. But be that as it may that facts on Danno was few n far between, does that allow Lenkov to invent his own conflicting back-story? The mini-dossier that you yoself comprised supports the fact that said Danny Williams is definitely not the annoying Garden State transplant depicted on the Five-Zero. Chicken respectfully submits to both you, Mr. Manicote, and the Ladies & Gentlemen of the GuestBook that Lenkov has created his own character here and is seekin to pass that charcter off as Detective Dan Williams from the original Hawaii Five-O.

Chicken contend that the same be true in regards to the character of Steve McGarrett. The faux-McGarrett on the Five-Zero is shown to be law-disregardin n' tourture-lovin....c’mon, Mr. Mike, this ain’t the same Steve & Danno.

On your invite to discuss the essence of Five-O, I'd say it boils down to bein bout the seasoned leader of an elite law enforcin team for whom solvin crimes is both an art and a science. For me, the essence was watchin Steve-Mac, Danno & Chin out-thinkin and out po-leece workin the baddies.

Chicken don't see much of that essence on the remake. Now, the remake got the hot bodies, and the torture, Chicken admit that. But that’s another show, Not Five-O. Real McGarrett be about Law-n-order, torture, man, that's for Wo Fat and Colin Nichols.

(BTW, you the man, Mr. Mike, hittin me with them facts - totally forgot bout Danno's jewlery makin and I just watched that episode! Well, better an effeminate Danno than an annoying Danno, right? :D )

Added: Friday 19 November 2010 18:40:54 PST


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: Painted Daisies

(previous comment was for Big Chicken)

Added: Friday 19 November 2010 17:04:44 PST


Submitted by: otto mannix
From: inside the CRT

The Old Guards have been saying that about using the original names from the start. It's obvious to anybody who liked Hawaii Five-O. Imagine rebooting Columbo. Whether you like that show or not, you can't imagine anyone else doing it. Of course, The Five was more ensemble, but Lord was McGarrett, period.

Added: Friday 19 November 2010 17:03:20 PST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"With friends like Angel (the sleezy con man), he was always getting into trouble and Beth would have to bail him out of jail and Dennis would have to go behind his captain's back to help him get out from under whatever cloud was raining on him that week." - Yeah that's true but Jimmy didn't really whine. Yes he was often pissed off (because of Angel's schemes, getting beat up in practically every episode, getting in hot water with the cops, etc.) but he was much quicker to throw out a sarcastic remark rather than whine. But even if he did occasionally whine it didn't really stand out as much. Selleck was just a chronic whiner. And his voice in particular sounded very grating when he whined. Not so with Jimmy. MAGNUM did have a fantastic theme - I'll give you that. I used to watch the opening as a kid just to hear the theme. Then I would switch the channel. I did the same with AIRWOLF - another Bellisario show where the theme song was better than the show. Although I'd take AIRWOLF over MAGNUM any day. It was a darker and more adult show and some of the aerial dog fights were downright spectacular! Plus it had a cool Cold War atmosphere - especially in the earlier episodes. But the show tended to be very hit-and-miss - some episodes were like watching grass grow. :!sleepy:

Added: Friday 19 November 2010 10:33:06 PST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Uh, Big Chicken, in fairness to Lenkov, you really cannot extrapolate from the few facts that I dragged up about the old Danno that the original series had elaborate back stories for the characters.

In fact, those few facts are ALL that I could find (along with the trivia revealed in "Nightmare Road" that Danno made jewellery when he was a kid -- potentially of "gay" interest).:!nerd:

Given that these facts were few and far between, one can almost excuse Lenkov for not picking up on them, despite the fact that several of the critical ones (born in Hawaii, went to UH, went to UC Berkeley where he majored in police science) were from "King of the Hill" in the first season.

Lenkov could also argue that despite these facts, the original Danno still acted like a fish out of water in terms of "where he came from."

I am also curious as to what you mean by "the essential spirit of Five-O."

OK, class, let us discuss this and put it into words.

I'm sure a discussion along these lines would be more interesting that "what is your favorite episode from the [whichever] season."

Added: Friday 19 November 2010 10:12:54 PST


Submitted by: Elaine
From: Watertown, MA

Hmm...some people have short memories, I guess. RE: Tom Selleck as Magnum...I believe his character was initally based on Lance White from the Rockford Files, but Magnum and company were much more. There were many episodes that involved what had happened to him in Da Nang; Rick, TC and Magnum all served in Nam together and they went through some really terrible stuff there. So, it wasn't all fluff and "boring as dishwater" as some might think. And with theme music by Mike Post, it was worth watching most weeks. I taped the last episode, Resolution, where Magnum goes back into the Navy so that he can provide a stable life for his daughter Lily after her mother, Michele, was murdered. There were lots of under-currents in that show...and Hillerman, as Higgins was priceless. Yes, Magnum could "whine" with the best of them, but if you think for a moment that James Garner (another of my favorite actors) didn't whine as Rockford, watch those episodes again. With friends like Angel (the sleezy con man), he was always getting into trouble and Beth would have to bail him out of jail and Dennis would have to go behind his captain's back to help him get out from under whatever cloud was raining on him that week. My point is that both series had something to offer people and are today considered classics. I'll certainly admit that Tom Selleck was easy on my eyes (eye candy for us gals), and that I had a 4 ft poster of the lad on my bedroom wall when I was a bit younger. Don't know where that poster is today...I think I still have it somewhere, but there's no room to hang it next to Jack's picture....which, although not quite as large as life, is pretty impressive. Sigh....

Added: Friday 19 November 2010 09:39:09 PST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: The Real Danno

Right On, Mister Mike. That’s the beef I had with the reboot from the beginning. I mean it’s great that Lenkov & Orci created them facinatin back stories for characters like Steve McGarrett & Dan Williams, characters that –OOPS- already existed.

Chicken think these cats just don’t get what made the Five-O, Five-O. And their redo missin the essential spirit of Five-O.

Added: Friday 19 November 2010 08:17:58 PST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Peter Lenkov (from Star-Advertiser interview): When I saw Danno on that show I always felt like he didn't look like he belonged in Hawaii. So what's he doing in Hawaii? He just didn't look like he belonged there. I don't know why. ... So that's how the whole Danno thing came about, about giving him sort of an identity on the mainland and having to come here and justify coming here.

BUT ... BUT ...

In episode #13, King of the Hill, it's established that Danno is a local boy, born in Hawaii, who went to the University of Hawaii for one year (psychology major), then moved to the mainland (University of California at Berkeley) where he majored in police science. While in Berkeley, he boarded with a woman whose daughter, Cleo Michaels, appears in #77, Two Doves and Mr. Heron, the girlfriend of the annoying "hippie freak" Ryan Moore, played by John Ritter. There is also some California connection to the blonde, Toni Tenille-like Melissa Cole, an old girl friend from the mainland, who appears in #247, A Long Time Ago. After she is busted for shoplifting in Honolulu years later, Danno helps out with her bail and gets her a job and a place to stay. She tells him he was the nicest guy she ever dated and remembers when Danno kissed her on the roof of her parents' apartment in San Francisco. She dropped out in junior year, the year he went to Berkeley. But does this mean she is also from Hawaii, especially because Danno says he has "thought about her a lot since high school."

Added: Friday 19 November 2010 07:58:02 PST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

I sometimes get a "tv guide" like insert in my local sunday paper, I don't remember if it says "TV Week" or "TV Guide" or "TV listings", but last weel there was a story with a Scott Caan interview and profile in it where he says that he makes the writers put the annoying bickering and bantering between his Danny Williams and AOL's McGarrett into each weeks script because he says that he will not do the show without it. He says that he didn't want to do a straight procedural and if the shows each week didn't have that bickering and banter between the characters he would quit the program. He says he likes that snarky type of dialogue, he says he needs it to get through doing the show because he would be bored without it, so to keep him happy that banter and bickering isn't going anywhere :!cry:

I've tried to give the new show a chance but the writing is just plain terrible, I mean that scene a few weeks back where Chin is telling Danny that he has his back and will stand by him to clear his friends name was so badly done, I mean I've warmed up to DDK as a actor on this show, I've really been impressed with Grace Park's acting ability( when they give her something to do)and AOL if given the right type of advice on how to play the character can pull it off, but man the writing is just terrible each writing, there's no intelligence. Elaine has had the most on the spot analysis of this show in this guestbook. I keep giving it a chanc each week and the writing just stays lame.

I agree with KIMO though, it's good for Hawaii, so I keep hoping it gets better, because it's good for the state. Maybe they should get KIMO to punch up the dialogue.

Added: Friday 19 November 2010 07:43:58 PST


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Mike, I didn't notice that about the credits, but it did occur to me recently that the multiplicity of "co-exec producers" may be a way of circumventing Writers' Guild regulations regarding writers' credits. I suspect there's a limit to the number of writers who can be credited, but no rules about how many exec producers.

Added: Friday 19 November 2010 07:06:15 PST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Five-O executive producer Peter Lenkov talks to the Honolulu Star-Advertiser: http://bit.ly/bD8rkA

Added: Friday 19 November 2010 06:52:04 PST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Heather, if you examine the opening credits for last Monday's show (http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/2010-season1/1-9-opening.htm) you will note that they employed THREE editors for this show. As well, the script was not "Written by"; instead, there are separate credits for "Teleplay" and "Story" (the last time this happened was for the Pilot episode).

Added: Friday 19 November 2010 06:38:48 PST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

A Christmas present for a new show fan (there's gotta be a joke in here somewhere):

http://bit.ly/aYjKwa

Added: Friday 19 November 2010 05:39:02 PST


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Rick: LMAO!!! And if I remember correctly, they put the sofa back, and then when they realize it's not the real HPD, they shove it in front of the door AGAIN!!

You would think there would be one reasonable adult among the many "co-executive producers" who could review the script and catch these WTF?? moments.

Added: Friday 19 November 2010 05:12:18 PST


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: USSR

Watched "Will the Real Mr. Winkler, Please Die" last night. A couple of good scenes, but generally a very boring ep. All talk.

Added: Friday 19 November 2010 04:59:09 PST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

I laughed out loud when they slid the sofa over to block the front door. WTF? ...I think I saw that once on Three's Company when some scary guy followed Jack, Chrissy & Janet home from the Regal Beagle.

Added: Thursday 18 November 2010 20:41:56 PST


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

"McGarrett lights his lawn on fire with Molotov cocktails"

Yeah, that was a hilarious WTF?? moment. Like a pyromaniac Macgyver. OK, it LOOKED cool but it made just about as much sense as the CIA assassin who has to strip down to her lingerie before garrotting someone.

Added: Thursday 18 November 2010 20:35:29 PST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

From TV Guide, top TV moments of the week:

Too Much Adrenaline Award: Hawaii Five-0 is never shy about delivering big action set pieces, but the small-scale war this week's episode delivers is out of control. When McGarrett learns an old Navy SEAL pal is actually planning to assassinate a cruel Asian dictator visiting Hawaii, McGarrett hides the leader and his family in his own house. When his foe inevitably shows up, McGarrett lights his lawn on fire with Molotov cocktails and engages in a long (and noisy) firefight. Whatever happened to neighborhood watch?

Added: Thursday 18 November 2010 19:44:56 PST


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Mike: "The actor has talked and met with Soderbergh about playing agent Napoleon Solo in the movie, which according to the Playlist will retain the 1960s setting of the original series."

Well, I like THAT idea, anyway. I wish they had done that with H50. But I guess it would be near-impossible to film it on location in Hawaii, with all the development that has gone on since 1968.

Added: Thursday 18 November 2010 19:07:53 PST


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Raymond: "I will say one good thing about the show. I honestly think Alex O'Loughlin is a decent actor."

Isn't he? That was a big surprise to me. I thought he would be just beefcake. But he's subtle. His understated style reminds me of the young Alec Guinness, of all people.

Added: Thursday 18 November 2010 19:02:12 PST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

From: Anim8rFSK in rec.arts.tv, commenting on Monday night’s show:

So, McGarrett is in a 4 car caravan escorting the dictator (none of which are armored). The bad guy has a bomb in car one, which, conveniently, contains NOBODY we've ever seen before or since. McGarrett makes his escape, and heads for ... police headquarters? The capital? Back to the Air Force base? No, he goes TO HIS DAD'S HOUSE. To HOLD UP. Calls SWAT and HPD and ... hours go by. Lingering shots of sunset. Dark of night. HOURS GO BY WAITING FOR SWAT TO RESPOND TO AN EMERGENCY. ON AN ISLAND 30 X 40 MILES ACROSS. And Steve doesn't find this suspicious. Finally he realizes the bad guys have cloned his phone! Except, no, they haven't. They're intercepting his calls. Which is not only not cloning, it's pretty much the opposite. So 'HPD' pulls up right in McGarrett's driveway, and he says they're THREE HUNDRED METERS AWAY. Which would, you know, be 250 meters into the ocean. He puts down his nightvision goggles in the house so he can go outside and rob a dead bad guy's body of ... his night vision goggles, because the drooling knuckle dragging * * * that wrote this forgot between scenes that he already HAD night vision goggles. And of course has the big hand to hand fight with the bad guy we knew was coming the last 20 minutes, while his team stays in the house and doesn't help, and then his team, after the fight is OVER, all wander out onto the yard, leaving everybody they were protecting behind, and nobody even wonders if the HPD guys showing up THIS time might be phony like the last batch.

Added: Thursday 18 November 2010 18:49:04 PST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Remakes on the rampage:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/blogs/heat-vision/george-clooney-eyeing-man-uncle-46753

George Clooney is eyeing reteaming with frequent collaborator Steven Soderbergh on Man From U.N.C.L.E.

Heat Vision broke the news Tuesday of Soderbergh's involvement, and it didn't take long to get tongues wagging that Clooney could be boarding the Warner Bros. project.

The actor has talked and met with Soderbergh about playing agent Napoleon Solo in the movie, which according to the Playlist will retain the 1960s setting of the original series. (But not the black- and-white coloring of the show’s first season. Drat.)

The project is still in the early stages of development, with Soderbergh and Clooney busy with their own projects, so it may a be a while before the two connect.

Added: Thursday 18 November 2010 18:44:37 PST


Submitted by: Raymond
From: Burbank, CA

I just finished watching my first full episode of the new Hawaii Five-0. I know...I know. I know what you're thinking. How did he do it? Well, I did and I must admit I have gained a whole lot more respect for all you guys on here who have watched every episode. What a bunch of troopers you are.

Anyway, after watching the show I tried to think of specific reasons why I didn't like it. First off, the stories are boring. There is no character development whatsoever. For instance, Steve's friend from the Seals. How many minutes was he in front of the camera? Maybe 10 in total. He's the bad guy, for crying out loud. Shouldn't he be meeting with other bad guys and stuff like that? I had to think hard to remember he was the same guy who bumped knuckles with Steve at the beginning. And, Danno....oh brother. Can that guy get any more irritating? Just once, I would like to hear him agree with Steve about something. Add that to the drinking game.

Also, the music. Where did they get that music? It has no Hawaiian theme whatsoever. The producers are so determined to show beautiful Hawaii but they don't use Hawaiian themed music?

I will say one good thing about the show. I honestly think Alex O'Loughlin is a decent actor. If he had the right supporting actors and story lines, I think it could work. But, as it is, it's a decent year 2010 show but an awful 1970's show.

Added: Thursday 18 November 2010 17:49:31 PST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

And I definitely enjoyed Selleck as Mr. Perfect P.I. Lance White on ROCKFORD FILES. Smooth, charming, always-on-the-ball, a ladies man. And certainly not a whiner! He was like a James Bondish version of a P.I. And we all know that Bond doesn't whine.

Added: Thursday 18 November 2010 17:04:37 PST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Yes, you're right about "Nightmare in Blue". The Burdicks were credited as the Barones. But "Killer Bee" stands out especially for me.

Added: Thursday 18 November 2010 17:00:56 PST


Submitted by: Amy
From: Boston, Massachusetts

Just a quick note. I read that Mark Dacascos (Iron Chef)
is going to play Wo Fat. His mother-in-law is Melveen Leed, who played Sally in the classic series. Sally was the woman who owned the bar McGarrett frequented when he needed info.

Added: Thursday 18 November 2010 16:57:15 PST


Submitted by: JulieS
From: Australia

ringfire211: "Is anyone confused by the names of the two leads in season 2's "Killer Bee"? In the end credits it's listed that David Arkin plays George Loomis (who is referred to as George Loman during the whole show) and Jeff Pomerantz as Ted Frazer (who is referred to the whole time as Ted Frazet). Any ideas what was going on there?"

Actually mistakes in the credits occur in a number of episodes. "Nightmare in Blue" is one I can think of at the moment (don't have the notes I've written down for my episode guide at work). The Burdicks have a different last name in the credits. When I get the chance to I'll post about the other ones.

Added: Thursday 18 November 2010 16:16:25 PST


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: NYC

Season 4 results, as if it were a vote. Stars indicate number of votes. The top five indicates the five favorite episodes, on average, out of eleven voters. (i was the only to vote for Two Doves, boo hoo.)

Ninety Second ******
Skinhead ******
The Burning Ice *****
Cloth of Gold *****
3,000 Miles *****
--------------------------------
Rest in Peace ****
Odd Man In ****
...And I Want ****
Highest Castle, ****
Wednesday, ***
A Matter of **
No Bottles **
Good Night, Baby *
Two Doves *
Bait Once, *
Is This Any Way *
Nine, Ten, *

Added: Thursday 18 November 2010 15:40:18 PST


Submitted by: Jen
From: Bell

I loved Magnum and I love Tom Selleck. I am watching his new show Blue Bloods and I think he is awesome.
The man has been in the bussiness for a long time and he is still working. Not everyone can say the same in Hollywood land. So I would say he knows what he is talking about.
I think he was right when he talked about a Magnum remake. He is the only Magnu and Jack Lord the only Steve McGarrett. No matter how hard they try or how much money they put.

Added: Thursday 18 November 2010 15:20:39 PST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

An Innocent Man... good movie. Selleck did play against type.

How about Selleck as P.I. Lance White in Rockford?

Added: Thursday 18 November 2010 15:01:55 PST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"It was clear in "Magnum" he was trying to imitate the breezy charm of Jim Garner's Rockford." -- yeah he definitely failed on that account. Garner was simply the superior actor and no one could do a con job like Garner. And Garner never whined. Even when he got into some spats with his truck-driver dad Rocky he was always sardonic towards him. He never whined. Actually I enjoyed Selleck in the Peter Yates film AN INNOCENT MAN. He played a serious role for once and was very effective. And he didn't whine!

Added: Thursday 18 November 2010 14:09:52 PST


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Thanks, Steven, for your info on the portrait! I have Karen's amazing book but it's in storage with my video collection :!cry:

RIngfire: "Wheww. Glad I'm not alone. How horribly grating was that man's voice! Seriously!"

Well, as I mentioned, Selleck doesn't sound like that in the Sacketts. However, come to think of it, I did see him in a couple of forgettable comedies ("Three Men and a Baby"??) and he was again whiny and grating. Maybe that was his "comedy voice". It was clear in "Magnum" he was trying to imitate the breezy charm of Jim Garner's Rockford. But instead, he came off as a lightweight. I know some women love him but he just doesn't do it for me.

Added: Thursday 18 November 2010 12:40:21 PST


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Mike: "There is no implication that Pak is someone who is friendly to the United States (like Ferdinand Marcos was),"

I think you have to read between the lines and see that he was. My impression was that he was a composite figure of Marcos and Suharto.

"This episode would have been soooo much better if Pak had been the son of an evil dictator who recently succeeded his father and who had qualms about what his father had done (oppressing, raping, torturing, murdering, etc.). Then the angle of asking for political asylum might have made sense."

Although many dictators and unpopular leaders seek (and are granted) "asylum" in supportive countries when the s--- hits the fan and they are deposed. I thought that this guy was maybe trying to blackmail the US into granting him asylum, and that's why the hit squad was out to kill him.

Added: Thursday 18 November 2010 12:31:14 PST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Yep, that's exactly the problem with MAGNUM. Too laid back, too jokey. No sense of urgency whatsoever. And only half the episode actually deals with the case. The other half is pointless bickering between Magnum and Higgins - who is gonna use the Ferrari, who is gonna feed the dogs, who is gonna use the tennis court, etc. :!thinking: And you could always tell that their bickering was so forced. It was so unnatural. It's like with the new Five-Zero - the writers just had to write it in for every episode. How logical is it to live under one roof with someone that you fight with every waking hour?

Added: Thursday 18 November 2010 11:41:58 PST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Whoa! What a kick-ass rendition. Current producers, give Deniz Tek a call ASAP! (I have tweeted and otherwise tried to convince "those guys" [i.e., the current producers] to incorporate even a teeeeny little bit of the Five-O theme into the new show (not even the old underscore, which I'm sure CBS owns the rights to, unless the rights to their own music is so convoluted they can't untangle them). All to no avail, alas... :!cry:

Added: Thursday 18 November 2010 11:01:27 PST


Submitted by: Big City Gal
From: NYC

Check this out....

bit.ly/cUiyrH

Video of "Aloha Steve & Danno" performed live on October 26, 2010 by Klondike's North 40 with Deniz Tek (one of the original Radio Birdman guys). The sound is distorted, but it's great fun to watch them play and hear the crowd response. If you want to hear the song in better quality it's on the front page of Mike's site under the 'music business' section.

Added: Thursday 18 November 2010 10:54:30 PST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

In Killer Bee, not only do the end credits name the characters George Loomis and Ted Frazer, these are their names in the subtitles whenever someone mentions them.

Added: Thursday 18 November 2010 10:46:32 PST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

"Take out Hawaii and the Ferrari and you've got absolutely nothing to watch."

Shut up, Elissa is in several episodes!

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/elissa

Perhaps her most "smokin'" appearance was in The Man from Marseilles.

That said, I was never interested much in Magnum, which I found far too laid-back and jokey. Is this show really an "80's show"?

Added: Thursday 18 November 2010 10:36:17 PST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Is anyone confused by the names of the two leads in season 2's "Killer Bee"? In the end credits it's listed that David Arkin plays George Loomis (who is referred to as George Loman during the whole show) and Jeff Pomerantz as Ted Frazer (who is referred to the whole time as Ted Frazet). Any ideas what was going on there? I've never seen such 2 blatant mistakes in characters' names on the show. I've watched the episode several times and not once did I hear Loomis or Frazer. It's always Loman and Frazet.

Added: Thursday 18 November 2010 10:34:41 PST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"I could never stand "Magnum P.I." because Tom Selleck, though handsome, had such a whiny irritating voice." -- Wheww. Glad I'm not alone. How horribly grating was that man's voice! Seriously! I could never understand how a woman could fall for someone like that. Was it the Ferrari? Were 80s women that shallow? Or were they all into guys with whiny voices? And I still can't understand how Selleck and Hillerman won Emmies. :!thinking: For what? For bickering like two nancies all the time? It's the equivalent of AOL and Caan getting Emmies. As for the show I found it for the most part dull as dishwater. Take out Hawaii and the Ferrari and you've got absolutely nothing to watch. Extremely lethargic is the best way to describe that show. In the decade of KNIGHT RIDER and THE A-TEAM I'm afraid MAGNUM just couldn't hold my interest whatsoever. FIVE-0, on the other hand, held my interest no problem - even as a little kid high on KNIGHT RIDER.

Added: Thursday 18 November 2010 10:28:39 PST


Submitted by: KD McGarrett
From: Hawaii---why o

@Heather-that is your opinion. i do NOT concur.

I could never stand "Magnum P.I." because Tom Selleck, though handsome, had such a whiny irritating voice. (though oddly, in the Sackett miniseries he didn't - maybe he was picking up some deep sonorous gravelliness from Sam Elliott.) Also Larry Manetti and John Hillerman were intensely annoying. Plus it was just a dull show. They kept referring to Five-0, but I could never imagine the Five-0 team in that universe.

Added: Thursday 18 November 2010 10:06:48 PST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

http://www.pacaf.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123231150

This is a very interesting story about the filming of the last episode, specifically the scenes involving the huge C-17 transport plane which brings the evil dictator General Pak to Hawaii.

The article quotes a USAF Colonel (I almost said "military bigshot," in the tradition of the old show) as follows:

"Day and night, the C-17 delivers personnel and supplies in support of humanitarian, peace keeping and wartime contingencies to every land mass on the globe," the wing commander said. "What a fitting weapon system to feature on an internationally watched TV show."

That said, you have to wonder why this huge plane would be used to ferry General Pak and his family to Hawaii, since he doesn't seem to fall under any of the above categories.

There is no implication that Pak is someone who is friendly to the United States (like Ferdinand Marcos was), though his mere presence at the aid summit, which Kelly Hu's character suggests is critical to its success, makes you wonder -- obviously he is not a total pariah like Fidel Castro would be, for example.

This episode would have been soooo much better if Pak had been the son of an evil dictator who recently succeeded his father and who had qualms about what his father had done (oppressing, raping, torturing, murdering, etc.). Then the angle of asking for political asylum might have made sense.

Added: Thursday 18 November 2010 08:34:29 PST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Taryn Manning, who plays McGarrett's sister in the new show, was back on set in the last couple of days, so hopefully we can see some movement with the story arc concerning the Champion spark plugs toolbox and other family matters. I'd like to know where the heck the sister was during Monday night's show. I think the sounds of gunfire, etc. would have probably woken her up even if she was in a margarita-enduced stupor! ;)

Added: Thursday 18 November 2010 08:19:31 PST


Submitted by: Steven
From: Miami

Rosemary Caulder painted the picture in "Highest Castle" and was reportdly paid $1500 to do so, according to Karen Rhodes' book.

Added: Thursday 18 November 2010 06:04:54 PST


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

I've always liked "Highest Castle, Deepest Grave", but there seems to be something missing from it. Maybe it's just a little too contrived - not believable enough. But the basic premise is good and so is the atmosphere. Does anyone know who painted the portrait? Most portraits used as props in movies/TV are terrible, but this one was quite good.

We watched some of Season 2 last night. My son is really enjoying the show! He says "Don't mess with McGarrett!" But his favorite characters are Kono and Chin and the other Hawaiians. I mean, how can anyone resist Zulu. I'd forgotten that Tom Fujiwara appears briefly as a doctor in "Blind Tiger". That was a great episode. On the other hand, "Joker's Wild, Man, Wild!" is poor - good performances but the whole idea is melodramatic and generally repellent, with a monstrous caricature of a female lead. Someone should write a paper on portrayals of women in "Hawaii Five-0". But Danno gets to be snippy with McG! And I LOVED Beverlee McKinsey's mod pantsuit.

Added: Thursday 18 November 2010 05:18:47 PST


Submitted by: Sylvia
From: Classic TV land

Five from Season 4, in no particular order:

1. Highest Castle, Deepest Grave
2. Rest In Peace, Somebody
3. Nine, Ten - You're Dead
4. Part 1 of "The Ninety-Second War"
5. Skinhead

Added: Thursday 18 November 2010 03:31:32 PST


Submitted by: Steven
From: Miami

Fourth season top five:

5) The Ninety-Second War
4) Is This Any Way to Run a Paradise?
3) Highest Castle, Deepest Grave
2) Cloth of Gold
1) No Bottles, No Cans, No People

Least favorite season four episode:

Good Night, Baby, Time to Die

Added: Thursday 18 November 2010 02:37:53 PST


Submitted by: Steve's Girl
From: Germany

Season's 4 Top 5

3000 Crooked Miles...
Highest Castle, Deepest Grave
Skinhead
Odd Man In
The Ninety-Second War/Rest In Peace...

Added: Wednesday 17 November 2010 22:40:42 PST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Bombay, All The Way

Mister Mike, great team you has assembled. Quincy, love them torture scenes, keep bein a thorn in the side to them empty suits at CBS.

Otto, man, the Five-Zero causin a lot of us to be unhinged. Chicken recommend you seek treatment with psychiatric technician George Loomis. He’s done some great work with war veterans, man

Added: Wednesday 17 November 2010 21:42:04 PST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

For many years, there has been the Five-O Drinking Game (by Sirah) on the site's main page. Now here comes the "New" Five-O Drinking Game!

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/drinkgame2010.htm

Added: Wednesday 17 November 2010 20:19:16 PST


Submitted by: Raymond
From: Burbank

Top 5 from Season 4:

1) The Burning Ice
2) Skinhead
3) Bait Once, Bait Twice
4) 3000 Crooked Miles To Honolulu
5) A Matter Of Mutual Concern

Let's make it easier.
What was the worst episode of the season?

My choice is
The 90-Second War.

I never liked the episodes with Wo-Fat. The story lines were too unrealistic. In fact if you were to ask me to list all of my least favorite episodes throughout the entire run, they would all be episodes with Wo-Fat. If I had to pick a decent episode, maybe F.O.B Honolulu.

Added: Wednesday 17 November 2010 19:32:07 PST


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Thanks, Big City Gal, that comparison was a hoot.

I could never stand "Magnum P.I." because Tom Selleck, though handsome, had such a whiny irritating voice. (though oddly, in the Sackett miniseries he didn't - maybe he was picking up some deep sonorous gravelliness from Sam Elliott.) Also Larry Manetti and John Hillerman were intensely annoying. Plus it was just a dull show. They kept referring to Five-0, but I could never imagine the Five-0 team in that universe.

Added: Wednesday 17 November 2010 19:30:02 PST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Want to read about the ace writing team at C/H/Q Paper Products responsible for writing those season two shows? Here is your chance!

Click here.

Added: Wednesday 17 November 2010 19:28:16 PST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Original recipe bucket, Neva rebooted

@RobertScorpio, Chicken think Elaine right about that they shouldn’t be usin the names of the original characters for the reboot. You mention Star Trek, but c'mon Rob, the Star Trek flick didn’t radically mess with the characters like they done with this here Five-Zero. Danno, Steve-O, they obviously ain’t the same characters from the original, why they gots the same names?

It’s cool that you and your peeps dig the new show, can’t argue wit likes n’ dislikes. But Elaine got a legit beef that I think alota old guard fans have with this new show.

Chicken feel the same as Elaine’s pal Yusef, them rebooters be "treading on very thin water."

Added: Wednesday 17 November 2010 19:27:26 PST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

S4 top 5 in order of air date...

Highest Castle, Deepest Grave ...great story, great score, JL really brings it when the guest star is a heavy hitter.

The Burning Ice ...Jackie Cooper (see JL note above) a very Columbo style episode.

A Matter Of Mutual Concern ...gotta love Tasi. Bad guy, bad driver.

The Ninety Second War ...near feature film quality. My favorite Wo Fat ep.

Cloth Of Gold... poor Mingo. Lucky Akamai, at least for a little while.

I could have easily replaced these with five others. Strong season.

Added: Wednesday 17 November 2010 19:22:21 PST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Five from Four

Chick’s picks for Season 4

1) 3,000 Crooked Miles
2) No Bottles...No Cans
3) Skinhead
4) Candy and a Gun
5) Rest in Peace, Somebody

Runner Up: Air Cargo...Dial for Murder

Added: Wednesday 17 November 2010 19:20:58 PST


Submitted by: Big City Gal
From: NYC

A little head to head comparison of Magnum PI and H5O to stir the pot a bit....

bit.ly/anQ6KP

Added: Wednesday 17 November 2010 19:19:56 PST


Submitted by: boirs
From: spfld ma

- clothe of gold
- wednesdays, ladies free
- skinhead
- i want some candy and a gun that shoots
- burning ice

honorable mention to rest in peace, two doves, 3000 crooked....

interesting no one picked highest castle which mjq appears to like. i think there is somehting unappealing about the acting in that one.

Added: Wednesday 17 November 2010 19:06:52 PST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: My heart is in Hawai`i

Season 4:
1 - Ninety-Second War (part 2)
2 - Rest In Peace, Somebody
3 - The Burning Ice
4 - Odd Man In
5 - 3,000 Crooked Miles to Honolulu

Added: Wednesday 17 November 2010 18:13:54 PST


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: The depths of hell

Season 4, no particular order:

-Skinhead
-Cloth of Gold
-Two Doves and Mr. Heron
-The Burning Ice
-Wednesday, Ladies Free

(this was very difficult. i hated leaving a few other favorites out.)

Added: Wednesday 17 November 2010 17:08:36 PST


Submitted by: Curator

I believe he said "maika'i loa, luki," which would translate as "excellent eyes."

Added: Wednesday 17 November 2010 16:39:58 PST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Anyone (Kimo?) know what Chin Ho said in Hawaiian to Kono at the end of her honing her investigative skills at the crime scene during Monday night's show? (Probably something like "good job.")

Added: Wednesday 17 November 2010 15:56:05 PST


Submitted by: JulieS
From: Australia

Here are the ones I like from season 4 (in no particular order)...

3,000 Crooked Miles to Honolulu (great ending)

...And I Want Some Candy and a Gun That Shoots (with a mother like that no wonder the sniper went over the edge)

The Ninety-Second War Part I (lots of action and intrigue)

Good Night, Baby - Time to Die! (another great ending)

Odd Man In (McGarrett and Filer match wits with each other again)

Added: Wednesday 17 November 2010 15:54:41 PST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Ok, we're up to season 4 now. What are your TOP 5 picks from the 4th season?

Here are mine:

1) "Rest in Peace, Somebody" - dir. Paul Stanley (my all-time fave episode!!!)
2) "...And I Want Some Candy and a Gun That Shoots" - dir. Michael O'Herlihy
3) "Wednesday, Ladies Free" - dir. Michael O'Herlihy
4) "Cloth of Gold" - dir. Michael O'Herlihy
5) "Odd Man In" - dir. Paul Stanley

Added: Wednesday 17 November 2010 15:27:21 PST


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: Bellevue

To Heather: Personally, I was unhinged long before the new show, which is why i chose not to watch it, ever. Don't wanna hit the tipping point, y'know. The posters i saw and the comments from those on this site whose opinions i trust were enough for me. So, unable as i am to actually criticize the new show, i find it very difficult to resist a wise-crack now and again. And i don't mind catchin' some flak for it either, it's all good fun.

Added: Wednesday 17 November 2010 15:09:00 PST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: My heart is in Hawai`i

A friend sent me a pilot of another detective / spy show filmed in Honolulu. Many Five-0 actors appeared in it, and it seemed to be well done. Of course Quinn Martin Productions always were well done. BUT Jack wasn't in it, and I found myself looking for him, even though I knew he wasn't it and wouldn't appear in it, and then, I lost interest it. Let's face it: Jack made his place in our hearts. That's just how it is.

Even so, I do wish the producers and writers of this new show would pay more attention to detail and quality. Whether they call it Five-0 or Six-0 or whatever, they should value their product enough not to be willing to settle for second best. When, week after week, we complain about the same problems - script, music, filters, etc. - they are settling for second best. Not good enough.

Added: Wednesday 17 November 2010 14:44:32 PST


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

RScorpio: "I get a kickout of people on this very site complaining that this guy doesn't play McGarrett the same way Jack did. And I know these same fools would be bashing on any actor who did play it like Jack, because we all know there was only one Jack Lord."

Yes, exactly. It's all very circular, isn't it?

KDMcG: "The show is iconic and honestly some shows should never be re-made or re-booted."

Oh, nonsense! Nothing is so iconic that it can't be revisited. Look at all the various portrayals of Holmes and Watson. And James Bond. And Philip Marlowe. And the two different versions of "The Thomas Crown Affair". Etc. Remakes * * * when they're suckily made, not because the original version was so untouchable.

Added: Wednesday 17 November 2010 14:02:35 PST


Submitted by: RobertScorpio
From: New York Cheese

Elain...

I have to say that I disagree with you on this one. I believe re-booting the concept was the only way to go. Like it, or not, the new TREK movie last year (which these guys help make) was a big success. The other Star Trek shows were good, but none of them can match the legend of the old show.

Rebooting the show gets to bring back McGarrett/Danno and the whole Book'em Danny stuff. I get a kickout of people on this very site complaining that this guy doesn't play McGarrett the same way Jack did. And I know these same fools would be bashing on any actor who did play it like Jack, because we all know there was only one Jack Lord.

Chris Pine's Kirk was successful because he didn't copy Shatner, and I think Alex is doing a great job creating his own take on McGarrett.

The show still has bumps, but as I have said before, so did the orignial show's first season too. I like this new show, and so do my wife and kids..and that is success!

Added: Wednesday 17 November 2010 12:53:23 PST


Submitted by: KD McGarrett
From: Magnum PI

@Heather-your opinion re: Tom Selleck; actually, beg to differ has a great cult following. And, he is right in that case-the two actors mentioned couldn't capture that magic. The show is iconic and honestly some shows should never be re-made or re-booted. :p

Added: Wednesday 17 November 2010 09:50:48 PST


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Tom Selleck needs to get over himself! It's not like the Magnum role was anything remarkably original.

Added: Wednesday 17 November 2010 08:12:31 PST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Kimo, there are gonna be spoilers on Monday night and Tuesday morning for those who haven't seen the show -- and what about people who PVR the show and don't watch it until a day or two later? The simple solution is: if you don't want to read spoilers, then don't read the Guestbook until you have seen the show (as difficult as this may be). I had a problem like this on Monday night when I watched the show and was formulating my preliminary thoughts when I received an e-mail from a friend with her "anal-ysis." I was quick to NOT read this. I have put a brief blab at the top of Guestbook pages about spoilers, but I am restricted in how much I can say without screwing up the layout of the page.

Added: Wednesday 17 November 2010 07:52:07 PST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Not everyone dislikes the new show, as evidenced by these tweets to some of the show's producers in the last couple of days:

Keep up the outstanding job on Hawaii Five-0. Each episode is better than the last. Thanks

I could honestly say last night episode of #H50 was the best hour of TV I have ever seen!!

Another great show. Ethical lines drawn & blurred.Bad guys getting the bad guy; good guys protecting bad guy.

Added: Wednesday 17 November 2010 07:38:27 PST


Submitted by: Elaine
From: Watertown, MA

Just adding my two cents worth, here...for better or worse. I did not watch the last episode of HFO so I cannot comment on the script, acting, etc. but from what I've been reading here, some things are improving and some things are consistently being done poorly. Interestingly, Tom Selleck was interviewed by Robert Moritz in the Nov 7th Parade Magazine of the Boston Globe. The article talked about "star power" and how, even after 30 years since Magnum PI finished its run, Selleck is still "The Man". There is rumor that a Magnum PI movie is in the works with Matthew McConaughey and Ashton Kutcher being considered for the role of Magnum. Tom Selleck was asked about this and made it clear that there is only one person for that role: Tom Selleck. He envisioned an older Magnum in a story line that catches up with events since the series ended. He stated: "Look, I'm not being egotistical, but Magnum's in about 100 countries. They can't just buy a title and stick some younger guy in it. These things are quite real to audiences."

Sound familiar? Yep. Dat's the problem with the new show. I believe the new show would have best been served if AOL's McGarrett was the son of Steve McGarrett(the original concept floated a few years ago) and the storyline caught up with current events. Given that all the original actors are deceased, obviously the original "characters" could not be played by the original actors...so it makes sense to make the Five-O unit all "new" characters. Then we fanatical fans of the original series wouldn't have much to complain about(other than the crappy music, scripts and annoying banter between the queens) because we wouldn't hold these new characters up to the gold standard of th4e classic series and expect them to behave like the ones we grew up with, knew and loved weekly on the telly for 12 years. But the opportunity is lost and it is what it is. "Darn it!" my friend, Yusuf, would say (English is not his first language and he unfortunately mixes metaphors in an attempt to be cool). "The ball is in their bag. They are treading on very thin water. But, we are fugged..."

To quote Rose Freeman's last words to James MacArthur:
"It's said a hundred different ways, in sadness and in joy, aloha means I love you, so I say aloha oe."

Hello and Goodbye.

Added: Wednesday 17 November 2010 06:53:10 PST


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Anne: "One of the things that really bugged me was the portrayal of HPD as...hmmm...very lacking in response to a situation???"

Do you mean at McG's house? That scenario was explained (however implausibly) with McG's "cloned phone" - his SOS never got through. I liked that idea, because they're all so reliant on cell phones that being able to scramble or divert their phone communication would be a very effective tactic.

I note in the recent criticisms that a few people are saying there's not enough time for good characterization and plot, while others are saying the banter is a time-filler. Which is it? For my part, I agree with those who think the time is too short to develop a decent plot, especially since the writers are attempting to develop a few ongoing story arcs as well.

And for those who complain that Danno isn't showing enough respect for McG, or that in the old show they didn't spend so much time together - you're still stuck in the old paradigm.

Added: Wednesday 17 November 2010 05:52:29 PST


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

I agree with Kimo 100%. If you have some sensible criticisms, fine, voice them, but if you're just going to vent your rage and contempt, then ask yourself why you continue to watch a show that does that to you. Reading these comments makes me think that a few of you have become genuinely unhinged because of this show.

You have to be careful with that sort of thing. Years ago, my father started watching "All My Children", just to revel in how terrible it was. But he ended up getting hooked on it, and watched it for years! :D

Added: Wednesday 17 November 2010 05:33:19 PST


Submitted by: Anne
From: Tangerine

Hi Kimo, Welcome back. I do agree the one post about Satan was a bit strong, but that didn't keep me from watching. And I will keep watching, and I hope to voice my opinion. I think last week's episode was one of the better eps, but it could have been sooo much better with a little bit of work by the writers and editors. One of the things that really bugged me was the portrayal of HPD as...hmmm...very lacking in response to a situation???

I think with Lenkov trying to keep the episode as stand-alones like the original just doesn't work in today's TV constraints. Maybe they should shoot this like a continuing serial so we see and hear the whole story. 42 minutes is not alot of time to cram in a story.

This haole loves Hawai'i very much for very good reasons. If it weren't for the 50th state I wouldn't be here. My parents met and were married in Hawaii while stationed there during WWII.

Added: Wednesday 17 November 2010 04:50:12 PST


Submitted by: KD McGarrett
From: i am in CBS demographic..so listen up.

Nadja: I agree with you. Kimo, most of us want Hawai'i to benefit from the show, but we realize that the Producers will do what they want and not what we feel should be done to improve the show, which is not wise but we cannot influence anything;they didn't bother asking for opinion before although Lenkov does once in a while tweet to this effect, the longevity of this show will probably be guaranteed by Moonves and Tassler not a credible show with good scripts. It does look like twenty-somethings made it. As I said, Monday's show wasn't awful but a lot of things were missing. We need some surprises no just obvious plots and this is where the original excelled. CSI does a great job of this, but it seems their rejected writers are penning this show lol

On my part, I do not expect too much realism such as a character being stabbed and keeling over, but they would do better if they made a few tweaks to what is just an action show set in Hawai'i.

Added: Wednesday 17 November 2010 04:41:01 PST


Submitted by: Nadja
From: hi KD McG

Actually, Kimo if I don't like the show for specific reasons I'd like to have the freedom to say that and it doesn't mean I don't want the best for Hawai'i. I'd say it because I want the best for Hawai'i and not a half-hearted rehash for short term money which has no chance to survive for long that way. Better to criticize it now where they could change things to make it better, if they would be interested to do so, as to say in hindsight "I always knew it wouldn't work". It's not the critics of the show who condemn people's livelihoods but the doers of the show who go in there take what they can get and leave as fast as they can without a single thought of people's livelihood.

Added: Wednesday 17 November 2010 02:58:15 PST


Submitted by: Kimo

and puLEEEEZE stop with the spoilers. dayum! Give people a chance to view the ep, either on the telly or on CBS.com.
sheesh! whassamattayou!?

Added: Wednesday 17 November 2010 01:13:04 PST


Submitted by: Kimo

Here is a hint to all the negative nancys. If you don't like a show at all, leave it alone. Walk away from it. Don't pee on someone else's parade. This web site is for H50 discussion. Ostensibly for those interested in the show, old and new. Go away if you don't like it. But please stop attempting to ruin other's night and simple enjoyments. What does that accomplish? to continually try negate anyone else's enjoyment. I don't get it. Proud of yourself?
I have never seen such lack of the much quoted "aloha spirit" from those supposedly interested in a Hawai'i based show.
"May Satan's wrath be visited upon tonight's episode."
Really?!
You are condemning thousands of people's livelihoods. How could you wish this? Your mother should be very proud to have raised such a pernicious angry destructive individual.

Added: Tuesday 16 November 2010 22:40:47 PST


Submitted by: Olivia
From: Florence

I decided to watch the show again yesterday after dumpint it weeks ago . Well, I don't think it is improving. It was a predictable plot, from the start. The "I hate Hawaii" thing is getting soo old . The banter is still there . McGarret seems to have some kind of super powers. And a lot of the stuff in this episode is totally unrealistic. Again, disappointed. :!cry: :!cry: I may try again in 7 more weeks and see how it goes. :!thinking:

Added: Tuesday 16 November 2010 22:13:35 PST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

This show like most current network TV shows, just isn't very good. It comes across to me as lacking authenticity, like it's being produced by a bunch of early-twenty-some-things with no real life experience.

It's going to take more than shootouts, explosions, and eye candy to keep my interest.

Added: Tuesday 16 November 2010 21:42:31 PST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

Wow, what a mess... at one point I swear Scott Caan was channeling George Costanza.

Added: Tuesday 16 November 2010 21:29:32 PST


Submitted by: KD McGarrett
From: write,rite,right and hi Nadja!!!

@dj the bitching is a filler. When they could actually slow down a little a la CSI and spend time writing good dialog but no they loved lethal weapon and feel they should continuously hammer that point. As I said before the novelty will wear off soon. Go back, see what made Freeman's show a success and change some of the cast lol

Added: Tuesday 16 November 2010 19:37:24 PST


Submitted by: DJ
From: Kalamazoo,MI

I hate to say it but one good show for every two bad ones in this new series. To make it work once again I shifted my mind to forget the FIVE 0 name on it and placed my mind in CSI Miami. Ever see Wolf and Delko argue?The new Danno sounds just like Wolfe but the only difference is you never hear Wolfe talk that way to Caine and get away with it.Why are the new writers pushing this trashy b!tching in the script? It's useless annoying time filler and it is probably why they keep it up.Also the original McGarrett never was really always around dano 24-7/365 like this show depicts.In the car, in the plane, in the restaurant in the who knows where but on and on! I really want to see this work, but man they are so CSI oriented they just need to rename it CSI Pacific and rid it of the 50 character names.

Added: Tuesday 16 November 2010 17:47:52 PST


Submitted by: Anne
From: Tangerine

Barbara, it's sad that even with the holes and silliness last night's episodes is probably one of the best of those aired from the series so far. I will suspend my disbelief, but this one was reaching its limits. I really want to see this show succeed. Last night I played Fallout: New Vegas during the lonnnng commercial breaks and didn't miss a beat.

Added: Tuesday 16 November 2010 17:27:42 PST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

Mr. Mike: Your review of last night's episode was...uh, well...pretty graphic. I thought last week's episode was really good, so I was a little disappointed in last night's show. But I didn't think it was as bad as everyone here has posted. I agree about Danno's attitude. The scene with Kelly Hu and others was out of line. But I thought McG had some pretty good scenes. Oh, btw, you made a comment a couple times about McG not saying anything to the dictator when he arrived. They generally don't exchange pleasantries in situations like that. Anyway, this show had some good points but it was a bit of a disappointment.

Added: Tuesday 16 November 2010 16:54:31 PST


Submitted by: KD MCGarrett
From: analysis paralysis....

@Heather only one Jack Lord and only one McGarrett--come on let's be honest. The spirit was Jack Lord, but at the very least keeping the elements without becoming Miami Vice. In any case, AOL doesn't have the chutzpah needed-good actor, but nothing spectacular although the script largely dictates his MCG to be dour and no matter how you try to watch it as a separate show, the fact there is a character named MCG raises the bar very high indeed. The best actor on the show- Kelly Hu.

If you watched Thomas Gibson as Hotch, you would see that natural chutzpah because they don't give us earache with a bratty Danno type who should be thrown in jail in an episode similar to the one with Big Chicken-honestly, let's throw him in the cooler :!cry:

Added: Tuesday 16 November 2010 15:54:07 PST


Submitted by: Sylvia
From: Classic TV land

Was the East-West Center inspiration for the center that was depicted in Season 1's "Pray Love Remember" in the original series?

Added: Tuesday 16 November 2010 15:43:09 PST


Submitted by: Big City Gal
From: NYC

Here's an interesting video that popped up on my radar this week. It's a promo piece for the East-West Center in Hawai'i from the late 60's. It's long and not all that interesting, but it's narrated by James MacArthur. Guess they figured they'd put it up as a little tribute to him. Here's the link...

bit.ly/d5RXPf

Added: Tuesday 16 November 2010 14:37:00 PST


Submitted by: Big City Gal
From: NYC

McGarrett was sporting a chest holster last night. A sexy little piece that I've only seen in hunting/survival stores before. There are military versions, but those are usually off to the side and not directly in front like his was. It's a snazzy piece, though, and I'm guessing there's some tactical police/military use for it.

btw...For me last night's ep was a hot mess. I've had far less issues with the reboot than most here, but last night I was rolling my eyes through most of it. I'm willing to suspend a good deal of reality for escapist fare, but last night's gun play was laughable. Really? Blowing the windows out of a vehicle which is supposed to be part of a security detail? I don't think so. What a disappointment from last week's ep which I thought was well written and well acted.

Added: Tuesday 16 November 2010 14:32:34 PST


Submitted by: Robert Scorpio
From: San Diego

Mike..

Read the script for the Criminal Minds guy's FIVEO..Ugghhh...awful!

I liked last nights episode. I think the show is improving but even I am tiring of some of the obvious plot turns. We need them to do an episode with a twisty ending or some clever plot turn. We haven't had one of those yet...

I really believe, that even for me, the WOFAT episode is going to really decide this show's fate, for me at least...they better do it good. I like the casting of WOFAT, so I hope it all works out.

Rob

Added: Tuesday 16 November 2010 14:20:47 PST


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Mike: "I thought for a moment the gun was Velcroed to his chest."

Wasn't it? That's a problem with the all-black outfit - hard to see these details. I think they should go back to the old shoulder holsters. Now THAT was a good look.

Added: Tuesday 16 November 2010 12:01:03 PST


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Ash: "Why the writers feel they have to indulge in every conceivable cop show cliché…"

LOL!! Because it wouldn't be Hawaii Five-0 without that!! A better question would be, why do people keep making cop shows when there's really nothing new to be mined in that location? You've heard of "Peak Oil", well, "Peak Cop Show" happened many years ago. The entire cop-show genre is one big stale cliche. But people continue to make them. Why? Because they're fun to watch.

Added: Tuesday 16 November 2010 11:34:31 PST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I had a good laugh when McGarrett and Kono corner that guy who is suspected of wanting to knock off the general because he appeared at demonstrations, etc. McGarrett suddenly puts his gun into some kind of fancy holster on his CHEST! (I thought for a moment the gun was Velcroed to his chest.)

Added: Tuesday 16 November 2010 10:48:52 PST


Submitted by: Curator

Oh, and one more thing that really annoyed me in last night's episode. At the end, in the knife fight, Steve sustained a pretty nasty and deep-looking cut to the inside of his upper arm. It actually took the bad guy two tries to slice into Steve's arm at that exact location. And there's a very good reason a trained assassin would go for that spot.

Yet even after Steve gets wounded, he keeps right on fighting, even using that same arm to wield the gun with which he shoots the bad guy. When he and Danno are talking after the fight ends, you can even see the artery clearly visible on AO'L's arm.

That artery is very close to the surface of the skin. It doesn't take much to severe it. And it's a very major artery. Under ordinary circumstances, a cut like that would have caused unconsciousness and death in under two minutes. In the middle of a heart-pumping fight like that, the blood should have come spurting out of Steve like oil out of a geyser and he should have pretty much immediately keeled over on the spot.

It's one thing when the writers mess up on streets or locations that not everyone knows about, but we all have the same anatomy. C'mon, CBS. This is pretty basic stuff. It doesn't take a medical degree to verify this; just five minutes with Google. Put a couple more locals to work doing fact-checking. Win-win scenario for everybody.

Added: Tuesday 16 November 2010 10:43:12 PST


Submitted by: Ash
From: Cambridge, MA

Please, can’t these logical and continuity errors be fixed—it is REALLY annoying to have to suspend disbelief almost every scene (multiple times for any action sequence). I really love the show and the characters, have no issue with the ‘reboot’ or whatever liberties taken with the legacy —but I don’t think I should have to lower my IQ to enjoy! It’s like the writers string together a bunch of prescripted action and banter with farfetched technology leaps of faith and convenient lapses in logic. Just a few more lapses to the ones already mentioned in other posts:
-- They find an empty house full of weapons they believe are going to be used to kill the general, but they don’t stake it out to see who will come back to get them? Hello??
-- Agreed that going to McG’s house makes no sense (where’s the sister??), the sudden darkness, but in the big fight-with-old-friend-gone-bad on the beach, McG first, throws away a gun (out of ammo?) then after going hand-to-hand with a knife, suddenly pulls a second gun from his swiss army vest and shoots the guy--?? Why didn’t he pull the gun on him before? And, where is the rest of the Scooby gang during all of this? Oh, right, McG has to be the one to mano-a-mano it with the baddie…every week. Why the writers feel they have to indulge in every conceivable cop show cliché…

Added: Tuesday 16 November 2010 10:30:29 PST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

My updated thoughts on last night's show ... pretty well complete (there is a bit more to add later):

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/2010-log1.htm#9

Added: Tuesday 16 November 2010 10:25:48 PST


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

KDMcG: "If you want to be Five-0 then let us keep the spirit."

But the "spirit" was Jack Lord as McGarrett, dominating everything. Can this dynamic be re-created? Should it?

Added: Tuesday 16 November 2010 10:15:42 PST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Ok, so last night I watched 'Leopard on the Rock 2.0'. The original was one of my favorites from season 2 (I always was a sucker for international intrigue) so I had some pretty high hopes for this new version. And dare I say it? Last night's episode was by far (and I mean BY FAAAAAR) the best episode of this new show. I couldn't believe it - we went straight from "poor" to "very good", skipping over "good" entirely. 7 poor episodes in a row followed by a very good one. Totally unexpected. :!thinking: Now, the real question is why I liked the episode. Did it remind me of the original show? Of course not. But it did remind me of "24" - my other favorite show. And if you can give me something that even remotely resembles "24" I'll eat it up! Especially since I've pretty much given up on this new show resembling the old one. Ain't gonna happen. But last night I just got a real "24" vibe and I loved it. I didn't even bother asking what the heck "cloning the phone" means - it just sounded wicked cool and definitely something you would hear Chloe say on "24". And yes, the moment Max Martini (TV's "The Unit";) showed up on the scene - coupled with the reveal that he and AOL are the bestest buds ever and Danno's immediate dislike of him you pretty much knew right then and there that he was the main villain. And the fact that he's basically this security gun for hire working for some Blackwater type group pretty much clinched the deal. And the fact that Martini's name is listed first in the guest cast - I mean how much more obvious can it get that he's the baddie? Certainly he's not there just to give our guys a friendly hand. Going back to the "24" connection Martini did in fact play a fellow agent in the 2nd season of that show - where he and Bauer are combing the airport looking for the nuclear bomb which is getting ready to go off. Daniel Dae Kim also played a fellow agent in that scene. And last night's episode was directed by Brad Turner - who along with Jon Cassar was the resident director on "24". And I liked Ric Young playing the dictator - Ric is one of the scariest-looking Oriental actors I have ever seen! He's great in everything he's in. Some might remember him as Kao Kan - the henchman in the opening scenes of INDIANA JONES AND THE TEMPLE OF DOOM. Ric actually looked like Kim Jong-Il yesterday.

Added: Tuesday 16 November 2010 10:13:13 PST


Submitted by: KDMCG
From: Tweak the script...

@Curator-the pilot script(the 2 hour) one was much better and showed some promise. But the challenge was always going to be to maintain consistency; as i said, some nice touches, but some really unnecessary aspects as well. If you want to be Five-0 then let us keep the spirit.

:!cry:

Added: Tuesday 16 November 2010 09:55:04 PST


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

I thought the writing and direction improved quite a lot in this episode. There were a lot of things I liked. McG finally had a "cop moment" in the office where he used his head and figured stuff out. Even Danno appreciated that. The banter is in appropriate spots now, and is amusing. I liked Danno mouthing off in the beginning because there were some things that needed to be said. D. has become the kind of loudmouth conscience of the show, which is interesting. McG didn't punch him in the face because he's actually getting to like D. and understand where he's coming from.

Action scenes were excellent and I could actually figure out what was going on in them, unlike in a few of the other episodes.

The scene in the house with the refugees was very good. Well-written and acted by all involved.

McG didn't have a big speech for the General because he's not a lecturer like Jack's McGarrett was. He's not a big talker and he doesn't wig out at people. Yes, I know, that's hard for us old-school H50 fans to get used to.

Things that were silly: the sexy hit woman - why didn't she just shoot the guy? (well, then she wouldn't have had to take off her dress, I guess), the shootout in the marketplace, the no-show HPD SWAT team - I liked the "cloned phone" thing, but why would the bad guy bust his * * * running around organizing a fake HPD squad? And suddenly it was nighttime - huh?? A scene must have been cut out there.

Added: Tuesday 16 November 2010 09:20:52 PST


Submitted by: KDMCG
From: Looking for a parallel universe where 2.0 doesn't exist..!

While Caan was interesting and eclipsing even AOL-I am so sorry but this banter is so tiresome and it is the factor that will get me to switch off. Somebody please tweet Lenkov.

A Bromance existed in the old one, but the scripts made it obvious and you could see it through their interaction and in this one they amplify it ad nauseum and what was once a novelty is becoming so annoying! Tone it down already

:!mad:

Added: Tuesday 16 November 2010 09:20:26 PST


Submitted by: Curator

The first half of last night's show was actually reasonably decent. A few sour moments, but nothing really egregious. At least we got to see the actual murder, instead of another dead body "hidden" in some ludicrous spot. But once again, the whole episode hinged on the body being discovered so quickly. What is it with the killers on this show? Why do they keep firing up the batlight to alert Five-0 after every murder? It's made clear the baddies knew Atwater was going to blab; they didn't think the guy's boss would investigate pronto when Atwater didn't show at their meeting? Huh?

Really stupid car banter. Why would McGarrett have such a hissy fit over a post card? I mean, really. I guess the writers are starting to run out of "plausible" reasons for McGarrett and Danno to show off their bromance.

Of course, I and anybody else with two brain cells to rub together knew who the real baddie was the minute he showed up. In and of itself, that would have been okay, but the way they kept pretending that the WHOLE WORLD couldn't figure it out was just stupid. Where's the brilliant, all-knowing McGarrett when we really need him? I was surprised that Atwater was also a baddie and found that a nice twist. But then comes the absurd shootout at Aloha Tower. Which, BTW, where that woman got hit? There's a 90-degree turn there. No way a vehicle that tall could take that corner going fast enough to kill a pedestrian. And the team is stalking the woman while wearing vests? Like that doesn't SCREAM "let's have a shootout in the middle of a crowded shopping mall/tourist attraction" to the assassin? They really thought they could just walk right up to her dressed like that?!

And then we have the shootout in front of Hickam. Of course, only McGarrett and Danno are in the car with the dictator and family. And Chin and Kono are alone in another car. No mixture of good guys and bad guys. How terribly convenient.

Worst of all was the seige at Steve's house. I couldn't help thinking that somebody on the new writing team must have read the Bernero script. It's so funny that Mr. Mike only just posted that yesterday morning.

Why on earth would Steve's house be the closest safe place to Hickam? They are MILES apart. And why didn't Danno think to question their destination before they actually pulled in the driveway? Steve couldn't call somebody BEFORE they got to his house? There aren't a zillion other SAFER places along the way? Like a local police station? The Five-0 headquarters (which is easier to get to from Hickam than Steve's house)? And FOR CHRIST'S SAKE, Steve can call his girlfriend on a sub in the middle of the Arctic Sea and get her to tune a satellite onto the booger hanging out of some guy's nose in Waikiki but he has to call NINE-ONE-ONE for help this time around? WT FREAKING F??? Plus, there's just been this huge shootout and massive explosion right in front of Hickam and nobody at the base even bats an eyelash? It's on a public thoroughfare and nobody happens to spot it while driving by? Nobody needs to follow up and check on the dictator? He just disappears off the face of the Earth and suddenly nobody gives a hoot?

Oh, and then they all just sit around in Steve's house for, like, at least an hour waiting for help and none of Five-0 gets suspicious? Five-0 can get from Mokuleia to Diamond Head in under 10 seconds, but it takes SWAT two hours to get to Steve's house and that's okay? COME ON.

And then when a couple of ordinary squad cars flashing blue lights *finally* pull up in the now-conveniently pitch-dark driveway, the whole group just instantly goes parading out the front door? And they're pulling couches in front of doors yet Steve leaves the driveway gate wide open? Steve specifically said he called SWAT. Where were the ubiquitous helicopters? How about a Hummer? Not even a pickup truck? Puh-leeze.

The only other positive I could find in the show was the fact that they appear to have suspended the vertigo-inducing speed shots of scenery and locales. Yay!

I swear, I do not know why I'm still watching. I really don't. This show SUCKS. I'm not even comparing it to the original or to any other show. I'm talking about this show, on its own merits. IT SUCKS A$$$$$$.

I wanted this show to succeed (I still do). I liked the pilot script when I saw it. There seemed to be so much promise. But now, after eight episodes, when the show really ought to be hitting its stride, I am SOOOOOOOOO disappointed!!!

At this point, it's just a train wreck. I'll probably keep watching just for the MST3K factor, but that's only if I don't have something more important to do -- like maybe wash my hair or clean the litterbox. And I'm DEFINITELY keeping the booze handy next time around!

Added: Tuesday 16 November 2010 09:13:53 PST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Danno's carrying on in this episode was beyond bad. When Five-O meets with the security guy from the conference after the opening credits, it's obvious Danno forgot to take his Midol, because he starts to question how Mr. Security Guy found out that Mr. Garrotted Advance Guy was killed, but MSG tells Danno to shut the ... up and not tell him how to do his job. Danno's reaction (he shuts the ... up) is very surprising considering what comes shortly after.

Then we are introduced to another guy who has been hired by the evil dictator General Pak. This other guy is none other than a Navy SEAL buddy of McGarrett's, now a security consultant in the private sector. The two of them give each other the secret SEAL handshake, knocking their knuckles together and yukking it up. However, Danno, who has progressed from slight cramping to a full blown sand-in-your-vagina type yeast infection starts to give this guy a bunch of mouth in the usual fashion reserved for McGarrett, ridiculing the Navy SEAL lingo that this guy and McGarrett are using and bringing up terms like "ethnic cleansing," referring to the guy's past history in the military. This whole exchange verged on embarrassing. But all McGarrett can say later is, "Are you jealous?" The normal reaction from McGarrett in this case would be to take Danno aside and tell him to shut the ... up (again) and/or punch him in the mouth.

Added: Tuesday 16 November 2010 07:08:50 PST


Submitted by: bob rose
From: bridgewater

The new Danno is really getting annoying...

Added: Tuesday 16 November 2010 06:53:02 PST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Well, good for Ric (credited as Eric in Nine Dragons) Young! Unfortunate his part was so badly written...

Added: Tuesday 16 November 2010 06:40:35 PST


Submitted by: Ed
From: Honolulu

Mike,

At first glance, I thoughtthat it was Soon-Teck Oh that was playing the part of the General. There was so similarity in their looks. So I looked up the actor (Ric Young) in IMDB. Saw that it was not Soon-Teck Oh but Ric Young did appear on the original show as a travel agent in "Nine Dragons"

Added: Tuesday 16 November 2010 06:06:27 PST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: My heart is in Hawai`i

Actually, if you turned off the sound; practiced your speed reading skills, so you could keep up with the closed captioning; and sent AOL to charm school, it wasn't a half-bad episode. ROFL

Added: Tuesday 16 November 2010 05:45:05 PST


Submitted by: KDMCG
From: any other reviews?

I think Mr. Mike hated this one-just intuition. I also would add why do we have to annihilate the enemy how about "booking 'em?" MCG should have said hello and there were great opportunities for dialog a ala Leopard, but again they blew it by excessive "aww" moments even though an emotional element was necessary surely should have been MCG and not Chin. When he kills his friend,MCG should have shown emotion rather than saying "yeah" to say he was okay. I get it that this was influenced by lethal weapon but some more Five-0 tweaks would help.

Surely, the Governor should have made an appearance-I mean what is the point of her being there? The assassin being run over by a bus was a little anti-climactic :!mad:

Added: Tuesday 16 November 2010 04:38:28 PST


Submitted by: Anne
From: Tangerine

Mr. Mike, your recap is spot-on. The teaser was so set up for you guys. I was not impressed and the scene was so predictable. The writing is so uneven they should sack the whole lot of writers and try again. Heck, I've read better fanfiction. And, I also wondered where the the bus driver was. Maybe Hawai'i has automated buses? Also, would all the people in the marketplace be put in danger with a gun fight? And the timing of the McGarrett household, I too, wondered where the heck HPD was. The other item, I suspected McG friend way too early. He was so obvious he was in on it. Not a mystery. This one was T & A and shoot-em up-bang-bang. Lot's of action and a no brainer. :!dull:

Added: Tuesday 16 November 2010 04:35:53 PST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I thought this episode was pretty shitty.

GOOD THINGS:

Hot and deadly female assassin with big tits!

Cool special effects with truck blowing up and subsequent firefight!

O'Loughlin had a few good acting moments near the beginning.

DISAPPOINTING THINGS:

HELLO!! Who should have played the General? Soon-Teck Oh!! Seriously!! He would have been great ... even though the writing for the General was cretinous. By the way, when the General arrives, can't McGarrett at least say hello? There is a serious communication problem. Even JL-McG spoke to the evil Leopard on the Rock!

I didn't like Kelly Hu's appearance, I thought she looked much hotter in the Missouri show.

Driving in the car, projected background again looks dumb.

STUPID THINGS:

I sensed as soon as I saw McG's pal that he was the bad guy.

Danno's mouthing off to this guy at the beginning was totally unnecessary. This whole sequence was really, really bad. Talk about an unprofessional attitude. I felt that McGarrett should have punched him in the face. Also at the house, when Danno is mouthing off to the general telling him he is a criminal.

The topography of the assassin getting hit by the bus is screwy. She turns around to shoot at Five-O, and seems to get hit on her right side ... but when you see her standing in the street, there is no bus behind her. Kind of a neat way to introduce local color, she gets run over by a Waikiki Mover bus!! (I think this is not a real company.) But after she gets hit, isn't there a driver in the bus? You would expect this guy to come out and look at the woman, even though there are Five-O cops approaching with guns.

I totally don't get it, they take the general to McGarrett's house when? In the late afternoon, soon it is night, McGarrett called for HPD and no one shows up? Where is this house? In the middle of nowhere? The time is totally screwy!

Too many "awwwww" moments: Chin talks to the kid, the General decides to turn himself in, the General talks to McGarrett at the end. Like FUCK OFF!! This would be like Kim Jong-il deciding to become a nice guy. It doesn't wash!

REALLY BAD THINGS:

Music - UGH!!!!! (On the other hand, some of the aerial photography wasn't bad as far as the tint/color was concerned, I was surprised.)

Added: Monday 15 November 2010 22:49:57 PST


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Oh, Barbara, you're right. I keep forgetting that we're seeing it so much earlier. Sorry for the spoilers, folks! :!cry:

I was just having a conversation with an old friend who's a fan of both the old and the new show. We think that McGarrett needs Wo Fat to play off of in order to really get his character established. I noticed that Mark Dacascos wasn't on the latest episode of Iron Chef, so maybe he's already filming.

Added: Monday 15 November 2010 21:35:56 PST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

Thought it was a pretty good show tonight but will comment more later after it's been aired across the U.S.

Added: Monday 15 November 2010 20:56:19 PST


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

This was an excellent ep! As long as you don't mind the preposterous elements, such as the rather absurd hit in the teaser and the crazy GI Joe fight at the end. And of course I spotted the bad guy immediately. But that's OK - it was cool to see the story unfold. Great action and a few funny lines. I'd been wondering when Springsteen and Bon Jovi were going to get a mention.

Added: Monday 15 November 2010 20:52:45 PST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

Okay, so I'm confused about the silver car in the show. I know McG drives a blue truck, Kono a red car, Chin a motorcycle. And I thought Scott's car was the silver one. But in tonight's little banter between McG and Danno, McG was driving and commented on Grace's picture and the New Jersey postcard that were in it. Made it sound like it was a Five-O car and not Danno's. Do I have the cars mixed up? Are there 2 silver cars?

Added: Monday 15 November 2010 20:47:45 PST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

You are correct, Mr. Mike. Scott Caan will be on Letterman tonight (Monday). He will also be on Jimmy Fallon on Friday (19th) and on Regis and Kelly on Monday (22nd). I didn't see any appearances by any of the other cast members for the next 2 weeks on any of the talk shows.

Added: Monday 15 November 2010 20:42:02 PST


Submitted by: KDMCG
From: enough already...live report

Just when you say:"nice plot so far." the annoying backchat begins and if Danno doesn't respect MCG by season two I am out..I watch it as a show which isn't Hawaii Five-0 and it isn't This one looks cheaper,prosaic and really flat. So far, elements of the original tonight and some nice moments...but very nice to see Max Martini from the Unit in a key role.

AOL is showcasing some good acting, butto step into such large shoes will take a lot of shows for him to grow. Again, I like AOL but MCG is a huge role. As for Bernero's-we just have a synopsis and I choose to wait to read the actual script before passing judgment.

Added: Monday 15 November 2010 20:00:22 PST


Submitted by: D. Joseph Tucker
From: Pennsylvania

Like all TV shows today, too many commercials interrupt the storyline. Back in the 60's and 70's a screenwriter could develope the characters and the plot with substance. This is why I have not watched the "new" Hawaii Five-0. I find none of the shows on TV taking the time to develope the plot or the characters. A commercial every five to seven minutes is outragous and it does not do justice to the viewer or the story. I just hope that the writing is as good as the original series writing was.

Added: Monday 15 November 2010 18:21:11 PST


Submitted by: Kat

I tried to enjoy the remake but it is not my thing. I watched the first 6 episodes before dumping it.
Sometimes I thought it was a satire of the old show with Steve and Danno acting as a "couple". Others I thought it was a serious story, but it is so unrealistic.
I really didn't understand where they were going with this show.
And after 30 min the show gets boring and predictable. I cannot say the same about the Original.

Added: Monday 15 November 2010 16:57:38 PST


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: the depths of hell

May Satan's wrath be visited upon tonight's episode.

Added: Monday 15 November 2010 16:53:07 PST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

According to some blab that I just got from CBS, Scott Caan is on Letterman tonight...

Added: Monday 15 November 2010 16:36:08 PST


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

From TV Guide - Matt Roush's review of the new show:

****

WHY IT'S WORKING:

The iconic title and theme song. Those gorgeous islands. And the hot bods don't hurt.

DOES IT WORK?

Mostly. The new Five-0 gets high fives for its look, pace and an effortlessly diverting blend of action and humorously bromantic banter between Alex O'Loughlin and Scott Caan as the dour Steve McGarrett and his wry homesick sidekick, Danno. The stories are often forgettably generic, but the escapism allure is high.

MY SCORE: 8

Added: Monday 15 November 2010 16:24:17 PST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

Is tonight the night that Danno's "ex" is introduced?

Added: Monday 15 November 2010 15:39:33 PST


Submitted by: Sylvia
From: Classic TV land

It's fun to read the descriptions of episodes of the new show and find out how the plot has been done before in the original.

For instance, the plot for tonight's episode is described as "the team is assigned to protect a ruthless dictator from would-be assassins."

Episode from the original: Season 2's "Leopard On the Rock."

Added: Monday 15 November 2010 15:37:44 PST


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

I agree with Kimo. It doesn't pay to get too persnickety about such details as window size and geographic "mistakes". As long as the story is internally consistent and the characters are interesting and believable, it doesn't have to adhere to reality. After all, the entire concept of a "Hawaii Five-0" unit is made up.

H50 1.0, funny you should mention Michener, because his novels are prime examples of background research taking over and rendering the final product more of an academic exercise than a vibrant novel. This was especially true later in his career when he had a stable of research assistants working for him. But all the research in the world isn't going to produce characters who jump off the page, and that's what's really going to make the story come alive.

I do think that where particular cultural practices are being depicted, the novelist or filmmaker has an obligation to portray them as accurately as possible. But there is such a thing as poetic license!

Added: Monday 15 November 2010 15:34:16 PST


Submitted by: Kimo

H50 1.0 FOREVER, Michener's book was written by a haole. He may as well have been in cali. he did a good job but got many things skewed.
I would much rather the new, (as well as the old, retroactively, H50 show... display accurately, our culture. As it is, they got some things right, others, not right. Much more salient errors in it that require attention than "windows from interior are three fourths bigger than exterior viewed windows!"

Added: Monday 15 November 2010 13:48:20 PST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: My heart is in Hawai`i

Re: Kimo's remarks, especially, "...eliminate each and every anomaly, geographic / cultural anachronism and every little manini element that would NOT be seen in Hawaii, and each WORD that would not be uttered in Hawai'i by all the supposedly local characters in these shows."

Although I understand what you are saying, I'd just like to see them make the effort to get the details right. It's like writing a book. You can take the time to do the research, and the book comes to life, or you can make it up as you go, and it remains shallow and two-dimensional. What kind of book do you think James Michener's "Hawaii" would be if he had not been there? Why, one would think he were in Jamaica or Saint Croix. Heaven forbid!

Added: Monday 15 November 2010 13:41:04 PST


Submitted by: Kimo

kala mai, sorry for the three posts in a row, but bottom line, we all should be happy for any show in Hawai'i available to the world. I know I am and most here love it. The old show and the new. (although most here now, don't remember the old show)
After I do nitpicking on either the old show or the new, I make myself step back and thank the gods we have anything at all showcasing the islands, our home here. (and remind myself one should support any and all efforts for continued local productions, be it theatrical release films, commercials or TV shows...) Producers, directors, the advertisers, networks... they all could do without seeing these mainini constant postshots made at Hawai'i productions. Hopefully, they all say "well ya can't please everyone" and plow ahead, going about their business best they know, ignoring the demands that would put them over budget and off schedule, in a direction not aligned to their purpose; making escapist fare for the viewing public... Not a tourist guide. They thankfully leave that to the Travel and Discovery Channels.

Added: Monday 15 November 2010 13:11:41 PST


Submitted by: Kimo

Put is this way; IF... old show or new... we were to complain and say eh! braddahs and titas! ( or bro, as the haoles say) we all want you all to keep exterior and interior elements proportionate, and don't create any continuity errors!
then we also gotta drop da odda slippah, (or flop flop, as da haole sez) and ALSO eliminate each and every anomaly, geographic / cultural anachronism and every little manini element that would NOT be seen in Hawaii, and each WORD that would not be uttered in Hawai'i by all the supposedly local characters in these shows. AND... we then, if we're gonna be "correct" would say DON"T make it so we have a major international crime here each and every week in Hawai'i, cuz we don't!"
well... after all these demands, we would have not one single show shot here.

Added: Monday 15 November 2010 12:43:19 PST


Submitted by: Kimo

"I just think television needs to stop treating the viewers as being stupid. We're not."
I don't think they are intentionally treating intelligent viewers as stupid. But they don't care to alter shooting and set decoration/logistics to infringe upon the schedule and budget to appease a minority of viewers. They are appealing to the masses who, tho' none numbering among us here, a very elite group... may be termed less than discriminatory, shall we say?

Added: Monday 15 November 2010 12:36:10 PST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: My heart is in Hawai`i

Yes, Kimo. The windows at the Ali`Iolani Hale have round tops, but they are not large windows as are shown in the Five-0 office in the new show. If, however, you look at the old post office building, where the scenes were said to have been filmed, they were broad, corresponding to the ones seen in the interior shots of the office. So, my question is why not just show exterior shots of the old post office building when saying "They're at the office, now"? It's a beautiful building in its own right, and they wouldn't be asking us to believe the Supreme Court made room for Five-0.

This was a problem in the original Five-0, too. The palace was being restored. Historical fact. Why not pay homage to the restoration by having Five-0 move into its own building with its own interior sets, etc.? In Season 4, we saw part of the restoration in "Rest in Peace, Somebody." In Season 9, we saw McGarrett loading books into the trunk of his car as Danno walked scaffolding set up before the palace - sans hard hat, I might point out, despite the sign that said only people wearing hard hats could pass that way. That was followed by episodes being aired out of order, which made it look like Five-0 was working in the palace in one scene or episode and in the TOB in the next scene or episode. Serious failure of continuity here. Why, in the Season 2 opener, did they not show Five-0 in a new office and explain that, with the opening of the new state capitol in March of that year, all government offices had been moved out of the palace?

Maybe, at the time, so few Mainlanders had been to Hawai`i that they thought it wouldn't matter??? Now, however, so many Mainlanders have been there that we know the difference. Why isn't the new show filming with the reality in mind that people today know Hawai`i as well as they know the other 49 states?

I just think television needs to stop treating the viewers as being stupid. We're not.

Added: Monday 15 November 2010 12:21:30 PST


Submitted by: Kimo

And that "Bernero Five-O" stuff was the second weirdest thing I have read! Very haolecentric. Not H50 at all. Bad fanfiction.

Added: Monday 15 November 2010 12:19:59 PST


Submitted by: Kimo

Pat from NJ, IF... you know all eps and watched each of them many times, you will recognize much from the touron the "the tour". If you are just familiar with may of the eps and from one showing, you may find yerself saying "wot da hellziss I am staring at now?!"
Going counterclockwise around 'Oahu; Airport, many eps, (but of course, place totally redeveloped from the old says, all charm, pagodas, lagoons gone) Aloha Tower, (also redeveloped) Chinatown, many eps... (C'town unfortunately very much redeveloped. all charm gone. City fathers thought it best to evict all those living in the tenement homes and destroy it all. Also too many shops/buildings/storefronts long gone) Ali'iolani building, Territorial building, YMCA building ewa of 'Iolani building, take the tour, Ala Moana Shopping center, (also totally unrecognizable from the old days. redeveloped into a real multi level mess) Ala Wai Boat Harbor areas, next to that helipad, makai of Hilton Rainbow Tower, sooo many eps.
mauka of that iconic Ilikai. cruise all around it. Waikiki. the jungle. remnants still remain, zoo end of Waiks. Waikiki Shell, next to that the Zoo. (was my second job at age 15.) Many eps shot there. Kapiolani park is right there and down the street, the Nadja-Torium. All bussup and blocked off now but you can still spokem! beyond that, the Dillingham Fountain. Finally flowing again after too long empty. Diamond Head interior and Bunkers. Kahala residential area. end of road, Kahala Hilton or whatever this years' name is. Just before that condos where J and M Lord lived. Next, Hawaii kai, koko marina center. then around the corner, Hanauma Bay, then Makapu'u lighthouse. Past Makapu'u beach, sea life park, windward side. Across the street, Makai pier. many eps shot there. beyond that famous estate magnum PI's place (robin's nest) where sooo many H50 eps where shot. Private estate. Many pose for pic at gate. I suggest not too long peering past the privacy tarps... Further on, Waimanalo beach.

Added: Monday 15 November 2010 12:01:27 PST


Submitted by: Kimo

"to me, it is nothing more than a trumped up story line to allow them to show all the Hawaii scenery....wonder if the Hawaii Vistors and Tourism board is paying CBS a fee for this show?"
THIS... has gotta be the weirdest thing I have read all year.

Added: Monday 15 November 2010 11:50:44 PST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Someone who saw a copy of the Bernero Five-O pilot script a couple of years ago has sent me a summary of this show. You think the recent shows have problems?

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/bernero.htm

Added: Monday 15 November 2010 09:12:35 PST


Submitted by: Nadja
From: Berlin

And Pat, here's another one:

tinyurl.com/3ym75bs

Added: Monday 15 November 2010 08:22:37 PST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

So Mr. Mike when did you become a fashion critic? I know you have a thing for Grace Park but I can't imagine you not liking the dress. Actually I thought the dress was very pretty. Youtube clip probably does not do it justice.

Added: Monday 15 November 2010 08:18:03 PST


Submitted by: Nadja
From: Berlin

Pat, I know a really good site where you can find locations:

tinyurl.com/3yv9mud

Go to "part 1 - Five-O pages" there is "On Location" and "On Location pt.2"

Added: Monday 15 November 2010 08:13:57 PST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Discussion about the show from rec.arts.tv:

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[W]hat is with all the "shifting and acceleration" sound effects during the weekly "conversation in the car" scenes? One, it is probably an automatic transmission in that Camaro; 2, if you look at the background passing by the windows, they are not slowing and speeding up; and 3, you can see the driver's right hand making gestures while talking at the same time the shifting/accelerating sounds are happening. This crap drives me nuts!!!!

I watch cause the wife loves the show, but to me, it is nothing more than a trumped up story line to allow them to show all the Hawaii scenery....wonder if the Hawaii Vistors and Tourism board is paying CBS a fee for this show?

=====

I'm not impressed with the Hawaii scenery. The show is badly shot with colors overall having a dull, greenish hue to them. What's with shows and films today and their consistent avoidance of true color film stock? If you look at the old Hawaii Five-O, everything had that day-glo look about it, colors were true and vibrant and some of the Hawaii scenerey was really spectacular. In the new version, Hawaii looks like an overcluttered and drab place to be, almost something out of the Blade Runner world than a Blue Lagoon world. 5-0 should have more of the Burn Notice look in terms of vivid colors.

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Don't compare top-flight shows from the 60's and 70's with today. EVERYTHING is superior, including resolution. Look at remastered shows on Blu-Ray and the detail is astonishing. Everything today is HORRIBLY soft-filtered so some facial wrinkles don't send the texting-addicts into a shock-induced coma.

=====

How many times have tourists been involved in a crime scene in the show?

(a) At the luau and seeing a dead body
(b) in an underwater cruise and seeing a dead body
(c) on the Missouri and a suspected murderer takes them captive

Added: Monday 15 November 2010 08:03:10 PST


Submitted by: Pat
From: NJ

Mike, We're going to Hawaii soon for our 40th wedding anniversary. We are huge fans of the original (isn't there REALLY only one?!) Hawaii Five-O. Do you have a list or know of a site I can go to to find out locations where the show was filmed. I know many of the obvious
locations but I thought I would throw the question out - thanks, Pat

Added: Monday 15 November 2010 07:20:31 PST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Considering Grace Park is Canadian, she was one of the presenters at the Gemini Awards (Canadian equivalent to the Oscars) a couple of days ago. But check out this awful dress she was wearing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoKj75LZkQ0

Added: Monday 15 November 2010 05:25:03 PST


Submitted by: KDMCG
From: kimo da kine is brah...

Yes H50-I believe that mystique makes things more compelling. A little mystery makes things interesting.

Thanks Kimo-so nice to have you back brah! I love it-the old gang are back. Isn't the Attorney Gen still alive? -he was in Lost namely Professor. Glen Cannon-maybe he is the one, although I like the idea of Doug Mossman or perhaps it is William Smith-actually an under-rated actor and a very cerebral individual.

Kudos on using Dennis Chun as Duke Lukela, although if the show really has nothing to do with the original,why bother with the touchpoints? It is a new show really when you reboot. All the same, glad that we get to see Kam Fong's son back on the show. Again, we whizz all the way so we won't get to see him a lot. The pace is not like CSI but more like fast and furious.

Added: Sunday 14 November 2010 20:10:09 PST


Submitted by: Mark
From: Denver

Michael, I can imagine that must be hard to watch, especially with mud flying everywhere on the car. It sometimes is hard to remember that the cars were props and were used (and abused) as such. Over the seasons you can see the various dents appearing here and there in the Park Lane that they repaired until the car was finally repainted in the I think the 3rd or 4th season. Some of my favorite scenes of the car are in "Samurai" as the Park Lane drives up to the gate and along the driveway to the house, also in "Death Wish on Tantalus Mountain" which has great views of the Park Lane climbing the Mountain road. A favorite of mine from the same episode is when McGarrett tells the officers at the house to "Wrap it up" there is a great right rear side view as he walks to the car. "Hookman" also has some great shots during the final shootout.

Added: Sunday 14 November 2010 18:45:59 PST


Submitted by: Michael Timothy
From: Palatine, IL

Mark, a Marti report only lists the dealer the vehicle was sold from as new. In both cases, that is listed as Lynch Lincoln-Mercury in Santa Monica, Calif-the home of Leonard Freeman. I have seen the window sticker for the '74. It stated that the vehicle was sold by "Ford Marketing Corp" and interestingly enough there was no breakout of a price for the car or any of the options broken out on the sticker. The Marti report has a breakout, but it is in conflict with the data that I saw original to the car. It is difficult to watch many scenes while the car is being beat on. I know how the show ends, but it is difficult nonetheless. The one of the '68 sliding in the grass along the Ala Wai Canal is especially heartstopping.......

Added: Sunday 14 November 2010 17:30:38 PST


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: Manhattan

Mr. Mike: Yes, i did see the Part 3, but it seemed incongruent, like i didn't know where it fit chronologically. But i have to hand it to them, at first it seems like they're just making fun of the FIVE, but then you see that they have paid attention to the ways of the episode! I say again, good job!

Added: Sunday 14 November 2010 16:29:39 PST


Submitted by: Mark
From: Denver

Michael, On the Marti reports you received on the two cars, is there any mention of delivery to Hawaii,or CBS, or do they just show to be factory owned. Also just out of curiosity, what was the sticker price for the Park Lane Brougham? And what is it like to watch an early episode on DVD and then open the door of your garage to see the '68 sitting there for real. Sorry about all the questions, that car and it history just interests me no end. I'm hoping to find one for myself!

Added: Sunday 14 November 2010 16:11:09 PST


Submitted by: Kimo

Yea. they were a little quizzical. but if I were scripting or directing a show, I would make every scene economical to shoot and photogenic too. This means, NO creating an actual travel guide. I wouldn't care about insulting anyone who is insulted by inconsistent road directions.. what I would be interested in is representing the local flavor and culture accurately and respectfully. And they hopefully will work on that. And prevent
You speak the bird?
flip flops. bro.
how Zit!
uuuugghh!

eh what was that you mentioned a while back re; arched windows/Ali'iolani hale?

Added: Sunday 14 November 2010 16:00:19 PST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: My heart is in Hawai`i

Nice site you're starting, Kimo. I've bookmarked it for future reference. Some of those same problems (like driving Ewa on Ala Moana to get to the Queen's Hospital) existed in 1.0 and were irritating then, too.

Added: Sunday 14 November 2010 15:48:29 PST


Submitted by: JulieS
From: Australia

Watched "Didn't We Meet at a Murder?" last night and in one scene we see Danny actually backchat Steve.

It is the scene where Steve is leaving the office and Danny asks him what he should do with the two suspects that have in the office (Wellman and Clem). Steve tells Danny to get them something to read, to which Danny answers as he goes back into his office "Like what? The latest pension plan?" (something like that).

Just goes to show that Danny was always Steve's "yes sir" man.

Added: Sunday 14 November 2010 14:58:53 PST


Submitted by: Kimo

So much background re; the new show. Figured I would do a local fan site.
My views and observations on the new H50. Adding to it often as I watch the vids on CBS.com and the telly...
http://bit.ly/90m50L

Added: Sunday 14 November 2010 14:51:16 PST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The vertigo-inducing camera work is very similar to the current show, but at least they got the colors correct.

Added: Sunday 14 November 2010 14:36:00 PST


Submitted by: Kimo

Cute, KDMCG!
that kid musta been partaking of our pakalolo (crazy tobacco) as he can't seem to center on the camera lens!

Added: Sunday 14 November 2010 14:18:36 PST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"Both Simon Oakland (Frank Epstein) and Joe Maross (Mitch Bradley) previously guest starred together in the first season of "Mission: Impossible" in an episode called "The Frame" (episode no.17)" -- that's an awesome episode! One of my favorites from M:I's first season! Although my favorite I think was "Odds on Evil" with Five-0 guest-star Nehemiah Persoff.

Added: Sunday 14 November 2010 14:10:53 PST


Submitted by: KDMCG
From: book 'em

http://bit.ly/9VtR8B

Even better than the new show!

Added: Sunday 14 November 2010 13:59:47 PST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: My heart is in Hawai`i

Jeff, do you mean Ron Feinberg?

KD, re: "Who doesn't like a bit of mystique," Jackie Kennedy's father, Black Jack Bouvier, counseled her to "always maintain a bit of mystery." She did and remains a source of interest to this day. Could the same thing be true of the characters in Len's Five-0???

Added: Sunday 14 November 2010 13:50:33 PST


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Barbara, I love your idea! What a great way to bring Marj back!

Added: Sunday 14 November 2010 12:42:22 PST


Submitted by: Kimo

Another thing about the episode 'Ohana... often they zoom in to McGarrett's father's beach house.. I know where that place is, we pull the boat up to that shoreline makai of the house... (In fact we know all the people in those homes along the shore. Can't help it when yer kama'aina.) and that home ain't in Aina Haina. Which is apparently where Makua kane McGarrett supposedly lived, if we are to be led by the letter we glimpse addressed to him. It is addressed to Zip 96821, a heavily populated residential area just before my home here in Hawaii Kai. Many homes there do have a 404 street address. But of course, for privacy's sake, they alter the actual location with a different zip.

Added: Sunday 14 November 2010 12:10:38 PST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

Peter Lenkov is quoted about the James MacArthur "arc" that was hoped for: "That story arc remains, though, and Lenkov still wants to wink at TV history. 'We are starting to do that story now,' he said. 'And I am going to cast it with another member of the original 'Hawaii Five-0.'"

I wonder if they will use Al Harrington or Doug Mossman. I think they are both still alive. Anyone have any other thoughts? What I would like to see is Marj Dusay as the neighbor. McGarrett could pay his respects as her husband has just passed. Husband would be James MacArthur. They could show old and current photos of him and have conversations about how wonderful he was. During the course of the conversations, the mystery of the "Champ" box could come up and she could help him with what she knows. This would also be a great way to work in a memorial to James MacArthur. Wishful thinking, I guess.

Added: Sunday 14 November 2010 10:56:25 PST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

There is a part three to that spoof:

http://bit.ly/9MDGR6

Added: Sunday 14 November 2010 09:27:48 PST


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: The Borough

"Never Mr. McGarrett, no chance you'll ever... no way!" Big Chicken is response to McG saying, "I'm gonna nail you, Chicken."

I found this Five-O spoof on yootoob. I'm guessing they're kids from Staten Island. They shot it with Super-8 sound. It appears they do know the way the basic episode plays out. not bad:

http://bit.ly/a05w5b
http://bit.ly/9O1bI5

Added: Sunday 14 November 2010 08:44:01 PST


Submitted by: Jeff Greenfield

I have enjoyed Hawaii Five-O since the beginning. My cousin wrote some early episodes, and his friend was in a few episodes - Ron Goldberg (the trash compactor operator, another crook - a very, very tall and big man - you know who I mean). I even re-arrainged some college lab courses so that I could be free on Thursday evenings and not miss any episodes (no VCRs yet). Finally, I met most of the cast in a Hawaii Five-O reunion held at a local hotel near the Burbank/Bob Hope Airport in Burbank, CA. I got autographs, and "official" Hawaii Five-O badges and memorabilia, and my only regret: In the lobby of the hotel was a piano. I memorized by heart the theme song of the original show. If only I played it for them. Oh well, my condolences to the family of James McArthur, and to all those who have pasted away. Mahalo for all the years of enjoyment you gave me. Aloha.

Added: Sunday 14 November 2010 07:36:00 PST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Kam Fong's son Dennis Chun is guesting on new Five-O as police sergeant Duke Lukela -- http://bit.ly/9abcuk

Added: Sunday 14 November 2010 07:28:36 PST


Submitted by: KDMCG
From: five o makes me weep. hi Nadja

I also cry sometimes..but that's due to the unnecessary banter aka dialog lol...now I see why Leonard Freeman avoided background characterization as it can become excessive;he wisely chose to let things be revealed over the show and who doesn't like mystique?

Let's remember that the new one is a parody and when they run low on ideas, the scriptwriting team says let's add a torture scene. "Brilliant" exclaims the producer and off they go. They really should find sponsors for that-I can visualize it right now-and now torture of the week sponsored by Camaro lol

Rofl :p

Added: Sunday 14 November 2010 06:36:48 PST


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

I cried at the end of "Ohana".

Added: Sunday 14 November 2010 04:06:55 PST


Submitted by: Kimo

Episode 3, named Malama ka Aina (Take care, honor and preserve the Land) (although we say Malama Aina) The show opens with a football game that begins with a version of the Haka. A Maori dance used variously for entertainment, war, celebration, acknowledgement of achievement... In the use before football games here, it is of course used to intimidate the opposing team, is ostensibly a war dance and is an extension of the tradition of the haka performed by the All Blacks Rugby Team. Some brouhaha is raised occasionally when non Maori do the Haka. The Haka Leader here is Vili. Popular and well known local for hire entertainer and "motivator" at our "Rainbow Warriors" football games at the rust palace. He was an employee of the PCC. Broke away and went out on his own.

Added: Saturday 13 November 2010 23:30:58 PST


Submitted by: Kimo

For those in da islands, Sat nites, channel 7 plays reruns of recent H50 eps. Tonite it is 'Ohana.
The crashed black van was sitting for a while next to the sidewalk on Kapiolani Blvd. in the parking lot of the H50 offices. The Old Advertiser building.
I translated the Hawaiian phrase spoken to Kono at the ep end and it means:
With honors this keepsake memento is presented to you as an acknowledgement of your endeavors...

So, they are zooming along Kamehameha Highway ( too fast. They would get a ticket post haste in real life) going south from Ka'a'awa, towards Kualoa. Plane buzzes them along their direction. Chin sez it's going towards Dillingham field. But it is going towards Kaneohe. Dillingham airfield is the opposite direction. At the North west end of Oahu.
But of course, again, it ain't a travel guide. It's entertainment.

Added: Saturday 13 November 2010 23:10:09 PST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Steve McGarrett Country

Indeed, the Northwest be a beautiful place, Kimo. I gotta make it back to the Islands, though.

Otto, Season One will always be Chick’s favorite. Gots to admit, was most impressed with how many great eps were in Season 7. Currently makin it thru S9, lotta great ones here as well.

I dig that gritty vibe of S1 as well, with Joe Matsukino & Big Chick. And Painted Daises be one a them All-Timers!

Added: Saturday 13 November 2010 22:21:10 PST


Submitted by: FIROZ SHARMAN
From: PARAMARIBO SURINAME

WELL, I CAN'T REMEMBER MY EXACT AGE AT THAT TIME,BUT I ENJOYED ALL THE EPISODES.I STILL REMEMBER WHEN JACK LORD PASSED AWAY.IT MADE ME SAD.UNTILL RECENTLY I HAPPENED TO LEARN ABOUT JAMES MACARTHUR HIS PASSING AS WELL.
YES THOSE WERE BLACK AND WHITE PICTURES HERE IN PARAMARIBO.HOPE TO GET SOME TIME , AND WATCH ANY OF THE 2010 ONES.THEY WILL BE HERE SOON. BOOK EM DANNO!!!!!!!!!!!

Added: Saturday 13 November 2010 16:28:33 PST


Submitted by: Kimo

Yea. problem is. Sgt Ishi more than likely had too many friends living that good life for him to make such a disparaging remark. Probably had teenagers living like that. That was yer typical apartment thru Kalihi, C'town, Kaka'ako and Waiks.
Loved how they commented; FRESH pot! yea. well... what other kinda pot would be floating around hippie pads?

Added: Saturday 13 November 2010 13:26:07 PST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

"Daisies" ...Sgt Ishi (Daniel Kamekona) to McG as they search the kid's flop house... "Really dug the good life, this boy."

I always laugh at that line.

Added: Saturday 13 November 2010 13:08:07 PST


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: NYC

Chick: you might be right about that Season 3, but it's tough for me to say. S-1 has SO many great ones, and it has that fresh sixties gritty vibe and color. And it surprises me how many great episodes are in S-6, and even 7!!!

Added: Saturday 13 November 2010 12:54:35 PST


Submitted by: Kimo

beautiful country, the Pacific Northwest.

for some reason have a hankering for Daisies on his coffin. watching it now. That apartment is like the cheap places we hippies back then all lived in! Love seeing C'town as we knew it then!

Added: Saturday 13 November 2010 12:45:12 PST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Seattle, Home to Toomey and Lew

Hey, hey, Aloha Kimo! Chicken originally hail from Brooklyn, New Yawk but currently be residin out in the great Pacific Northwest.

Dunno if theyse many folks like the Chicken, but still have many brother-in-arms back east.

I know you a bit of a legend here on the Guestbook, most glad to make your acquaintance, man

Added: Saturday 13 November 2010 12:24:16 PST


Submitted by: Michael Timothy
From: Palatine, IL

Dalen-I was contacted by an intermediary in January. I never was in touch with the principals. I do not know why it never went any further.

Do not remove "B" pillars-the car will have permanent wind and water leaks-plus, you still need to find the elusive hardtop for the window glass, door and trim panels. Someone will know-a purist will complain, and there will be a big fight in the guestbook.

Added: Saturday 13 November 2010 12:14:32 PST


Submitted by: Kimo

Don’t thinks theyse was ever this ambitious with the show again, but Seasons 4 & 5 sure soared as well by doin what theyse does best. Chicken done agonized on those choices. Tough pickins, brudda, This here just be great TV, movin' stuff.

o.k. I'll give this a try:
" This here just be great writin"
Ouch. my brain hurts.
Chick, or chicken, or the guy next to chick speaking about chicken, where da heck you from and does everyone there also always speak in the third person?

Added: Saturday 13 November 2010 12:10:26 PST


Submitted by: Dalen Quaice
From: Burbank, CA, USA

Dalen: Be careful-you're looking for a model 57K Marquis Brougham 4-Door hardtop. Undoubtably what you have located is a Marquis Brougham Pillared hardtop-virtually identical to the untrained eye, but in fact a sedan.

Michael, you are far more an expert than I am - I only dabble in car restoration as a hobby! I suspect you could modify this by removing the pillars (are they not "B" pillars? Mercury used those in a lot of 70's models.). A convertible modification company like Newport Convertible (here in CA) would probably be able to do this (although the doors might need to be modified so that the windows would seal... they can do that too, but it's expensive!). The key is "virtually identical" - unless you were planning on entering a car show! I think this one would be fun "as is" - especially for such low miles and an attractive price.

For anyone interested, we are talking about the divisions/pillars between the front and back seats - the sedan model is the 53K (I think). The sedan model has pillars while the 57K hardtop does not -- so when you roll down all the windows on the 57K it is open between the front and back seats.

They only built around 4000 of the hardtop. The sedan with pillars is the more common model - around 24,000 of these.

BTW, Michael -- did the producers of the new show contact you about using your 1968 Mercury? The original script called for a 1968 model. Just curious.

Added: Saturday 13 November 2010 08:40:29 PST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Livin The Five-O

Chicken dig the tragedy of that Maui Cowboy, Anne. Thought this was another episode where the Five went above n’ beyond the crime genre. This here just be great TV, movin' stuff. It’s not only a Hawaiian centric story, but a classic tale bout the individual up against moneyed interests & powerful forces.

And lastly, how bout seein our man Jack get the chance to saddle up again.

Added: Saturday 13 November 2010 08:34:06 PST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

Bottom 3, S3...

Second Shot... Double Wall... Bomber.

Added: Saturday 13 November 2010 08:31:07 PST


Submitted by: Anne
From: Tangerine

Oh Chicken! Paniolo??? Tell me what you liked about this episode.

Added: Saturday 13 November 2010 07:42:23 PST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Seattle, Home to Toomey and Lew

Hey KDMCG, whas all this clamoring for good dialog and great writing, brudda?

When the Five-Zero gotts the hotties, And Torture, man!

If only theyse could incorporate suma Mr. Mike’s most excellent enhanced "interrogation techniques." Great work, again, Mr. Mike! (dug the duct tapin suspect's mouth to tail pipe of the Camaro, best)

Though Chicken would contend the real "tourture" is in tryna actually sit through an entire episode of das reboot.

Added: Saturday 13 November 2010 00:13:55 PST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Reflectin on Season Three

Yeah, Otto, Chicken done agonized on those choices. Tough pickins, brudda, leavin out 10 Thou Diamonds, Guarnerius Caper, Over Fitee, and Screama. Mighta added Reunion just for that swingin score.

Season three jus maybe the tops

Added: Friday 12 November 2010 23:44:36 PST


Submitted by: JulieS
From: Australia

Since we're looking at season 3 and "The Reunion" has been mentioned, here's a little bit of trivia. Both Simon Oakland (Frank Epstein) and Joe Maross (Mitch Bradley) previously guest starred together in the first season of "Mission: Impossible" in an episode called "The Frame" (episode no.17). That episode went to air in 1967 and they were both on the wrong side of the law in that one.

Added: Friday 12 November 2010 23:25:13 PST


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Hey Michael, I'd like to visit Chicago again whenever you want to take that gorgeous car for a spin. This time I'd like to bring my son (age 10) who is a huge car buff. I'd love to meet Barbara too!

Added: Friday 12 November 2010 22:54:04 PST


Submitted by: Steve's Girl
From: Germany

Season 3

1) Trouble in Mind
2) Over Fifty? Steal
3) The Ransom
4) F.O.B. Honolulu
5) Time and Memories/ The Reunion

Added: Friday 12 November 2010 22:40:30 PST


Submitted by: KDMCG
From: where are YOU from?

Thanks Otto. True my friend. I am trying to like it and watching as a stand alone show but there are key elements missing.

MCG's deductive reasoning. The air of real leadership. Good dialog. Oh. And for the record there are 3 reasons I want this to be a big hit.

1. The actors have workIt is a tough business they are in and I want AOL et al to have acting work.

2. Economic benefits to Hawai'i

3. Profile Hawaii. But, how much really? the show is too fast paced and we just seem to whizz all the time. CSI allows us a breather, Five-0 seems all go,go,go and this doesn't work in its favor. Be a little more of a crime drama than just action. Let's see Hawai'i like the old show.

Going to buy the new DVD.

Added: Friday 12 November 2010 22:28:30 PST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

AWESOME, Michael. Would just love that. Mr. Mike has my email address if you want it. Thanks bunches.

Added: Friday 12 November 2010 21:38:42 PST


Submitted by: Michael Timothy
From: Palatine, IL

Dalen: Be careful-you're looking for a model 57K Marquis Brougham 4-Door hardtop. Undoubtably what you have located is a Marquis Brougham Pillared hardtop-virtually identical to the untrained eye, but in fact a sedan.

Mark: I have Marti reports for both the '68 and the '74. The '68 is one of two, and the '74 is one of one.

Barbara: I'll take you up on that in the spring, once the Chicago winter has been vanquished. Heather is invited along also if she can find her way to Chicago.

Added: Friday 12 November 2010 21:28:13 PST


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: ottoville

Big (that board came high) Chicken is the only one to leave "OVER FIFTY" off his top five. I think that's cos Chick don't play around when it come to the FIVE!!!! now way, nevahhhhh.

Added: Friday 12 November 2010 21:14:06 PST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

Season 3 Favorites:

1) Beautiful Screamer
2) Over Fifty? Steal! (love Hume Cronyn)
3) The Bomber and Mrs. Moroney
4) Trouble in Mind (Nancy Wilson was fantastic)
5) Tie: Time & Memories and The Ransom

Added: Friday 12 November 2010 20:58:51 PST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Chick’s Season 3 picks

1)Trouble In Mind
2)The Ransom
3)Paniolo
4)And A Time To Die
5)Kill Or Be Killed

For Chicken, S3 may just be the best season. With eps like Trouble In Mind, Paniolo, an Kill or Be Killed, Five-O done kicked it up a notch from great crime drama to great drama, period. Don’t thinks theyse was ever this ambitious with the show again, but Seasons 4 & 5 sure soared as well by doin what theyse does best.

Bonus - Chick’s fave S3 dialogue:

"Listen commissar - I am not interested in your problems, man!" (Hutch to Rostov over the phone)

Harry Quan tellin Steve-O " You know, someday somebody’s gonna write a contract on you, McGarrett"

And Steve replyin: " And when they do, you tell that somebody not to miss"

Yeah Steve!

Added: Friday 12 November 2010 20:57:52 PST


Submitted by: Sylvia
From: Playing catch-up

Season 2 first:

1. Three Dead Cows at Makapuu
2. The Singapore File
3. Most Likely To Murder
4. Just Lucky, I Guess
5. Cry, Lie
(Honorable mention for Run, Johnny, Run)

And Season 3:

1. Over Fifty? Steal!
2. To Kill Or Be Killed
3. Trouble In Mind
4. The Double Wall
5. Beautiful Screamer

Added: Friday 12 November 2010 20:32:49 PST


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: New York

We know MJQ is not gonna chime in, because he's already rated the episodes. And conveniently he has five 4-star episodes listed for Season 3:

-Trouble in Mind
-Over Fifty? Steal
-Beautiful Screamer
-To Kill or Be Killed
-The Grandstand Play

Added: Friday 12 November 2010 19:26:13 PST


Submitted by: boris
From: spfld

10,000 Diamonds and a Heart - good gawd Tim O'Connor
Payoff - recently said how much I love this tight ep
And a Time to Die - PURE WO FAT
Grandstand Play - I love this two parter, every minute
Over 50 Steal - uh, duh

it's cool how we all pick different ones

Added: Friday 12 November 2010 18:55:39 PST


Submitted by: Jeff
From: Denver

My favorite season!

The best of the best:
1. ...And a Time to Die- After "Forty Feet High", this is my next favorite Wo Fat show

2. The Late John Louisiana-VERY clever plot and compelling guest performances

3. The Second Shot--love the clever plot and Shores' Greek-flavored music score

4. F.O.B. Honolulu (both parts)--my favorite 2-parter, with a great bunch of villains to choose from

5. Force of Waves--great guest performance by John Vernon

I would have a bunch of honorable mentions in this season as well, including "Over 50? Steal", "Beautiful Screamer", "The Ransom", "Ten Thousand Diamonds" and more. Pound for pound, this season has the most consistently great quality.

Added: Friday 12 November 2010 18:11:36 PST


Submitted by: JulieS
From: Australia

My favourite season 3 episodes - in no particular order...

The Ransom (Kono gets to do something different)

Over Fifty? Steal (good comedy - directed Bob Sweeney who also worked on my favourite comedy series "Hogan's Heroes";)

The Bomber and Mrs. Moroney (shows the team working together and Steve in an advisory position)

Beautiful Screamer (great Danny episode and a good villian played by Lloyd Bochner)

Force of Waves (interesting episode with John Vernon as the guest star)

Added: Friday 12 November 2010 18:02:21 PST


Submitted by: Dalen Quaice
From: Burbank, CA, USA

Yes, H50F, that is the same color car as the one in "Loose Ends Get Hit"! You could have it replainted Black and redo the interior if you wanted to match Steve's car.

Added: Friday 12 November 2010 17:49:21 PST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

S3...

Trouble In Mind ...the kid (Remi Abellira) shooting up. Intense.

Force Of Waves ...John Vernon, and the look on Maria's (Linda Marsh) face in Danno's office.

The Late Jon Louisiana ...Harry Quon (Alfred Ryder) Would you do that for me kid?

The Last Eden ...I don't know what it is, I like any ep with Ray Danton.

Over Fifty, Steal ...Hume Cronyn, the music, the disguises. Classic.

Added: Friday 12 November 2010 15:55:18 PST


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: Season Three Picks

-Ten Thousand Diamonds and a Heart
-The Guarnerius Caper
-Over Fifty? Steal
-Beautiful Screamer
-The Ransom

Added: Friday 12 November 2010 15:43:36 PST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

And without any further ado let us delve into season 3. We did seasons 1 & 2. So what are your top 5 episodes of season 3, folks? Here are mine:

1) "Over Fifty? Steal" - dir. Bob Sweeney
2) "The Bomber and Mrs. Moroney" - dir. Paul Stanley
3) "The Ransom" - dir. Michael O'Herlihy
4) "The Second Shot" - dir. Michael O'Herlihy
5) "Beautiful Screamer" - dir. Tony Leader

Added: Friday 12 November 2010 15:36:36 PST


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: Pacific Theater

--Rainbow: I'll let ya know, for sure.
--KDMCG: For the record, you don't owe it to ME to like the new show. You know what they say: Accept No Substitutes!
--Elaine: You're sure correct. It would take three episodes to properly introduce the FIVE to a newcomer. I love your picks though: Cloth, Burning, Daisies, Hookman. It don't get no better!

Added: Friday 12 November 2010 15:27:45 PST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: My heart is in Hawai`i

But, Dalen, isn't that the one that Kum Chi had blown up in "Loose Ends Get Hit"??? LOL

Added: Friday 12 November 2010 14:18:49 PST


Submitted by: Dalen Quaice
From: Burbank, CA, USA

Anyone looking to buy a 1974 Mercury Grand Marquis Brougham? I found one for sale at a great price!

bit.ly/ccRLqZ

Added: Friday 12 November 2010 12:59:05 PST


Submitted by: Kimo

some local perspectives on H50 v2
http://bit.ly/cruEy9

Added: Friday 12 November 2010 11:50:53 PST


Submitted by: KDMCG
From: MCG 1.0 vs MCG 2.0 no contest AOL!

"Trying to keep one match away from the fuse." As we CUT TO the opening titles-wow the real Five-O-i may just stop watching because the new one really looks cheap although it is not, but film gives it panache.

Added: Friday 12 November 2010 09:41:48 PST


Submitted by: KDMCG
From: Hawaii Five 1.0

Tried to sit through the last episode online and well just gave up. Really-i am trying folks,but this lacks good writing. Just watching Leopard on a rock and already hooked!

Added: Friday 12 November 2010 09:35:28 PST


Submitted by: Mark
From: Denver

I really enjoyed reading Mr. Timothys comments regarding the vintage Mercurys. We shared a few e-mails a number years ago ago about the '68 Brougham. I have been in love with that car for 40 years and hope one day to meet him and ogle his car in person. I have often wondered if he documented the condition of the car as he received it, I'm sure it was a heart breaking sight. Mr. Timothy if you are reading this, have you gotten a "Marti Report" on the '68? That would be interesting information to see.

Added: Friday 12 November 2010 08:10:39 PST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Otto,

Thanks for the heads-up. Will look forward to that!

Added: Friday 12 November 2010 07:09:16 PST


Submitted by: Elaine
From: Watertown, MA

Otto: RE: the most definitive episode of HFO? That is a really tough call! There are so many very good episodes because of the plots, the acting, the musical scores..the Process, etc. that it's hard to say which one represents the BEST of all Five-O had to offer. I have clear favorites that I go back and watch over and over: Over Fifty, Steal, Cloth of Gold, A Hawaiian Nightmare (because it was actually filmed at Hawaii Volcanoes National Park), The Bell Tolls at Noon, Yesterday Died...Daisies, Hookman, Burning Ice, 3-dead cows, the list is endless. But I cannot for the life of me decide which is the "definitive" episode. Maybe there isn't one...maybe part of Five-O's greatness is that it's an amalgam...week after week it gave viewers something novel to chew on? Like Slim Pickens' weirdo family that killed people for pin money, or the washed out cop who rapes and murders in Nightmare in Blue...there were interesting plots that touched on lots of different issues... So in answer to your question, I'm not sure I can select which episode was the very BEST. Maybe Mr. Mike has an opinion on this?

Added: Friday 12 November 2010 06:54:47 PST


Submitted by: Nadja
From: hideehoo.....KD

Sylvia, "Honor is an Unmarked Grave" is one of my favorite eps. I really like the interaction between Travis Marshall and McGarrett. Great!

Added: Friday 12 November 2010 04:40:21 PST


Submitted by: KDMCG
From: the new one will never become a classic...

The next show seems to have a storyline similar to 'Leopard on the rock' about a dictator that Five-0 have to protect. But,of course, let us what torture of the week they use-cannot wait lol

Probably just going to be another mediocre show. I watch but I am not overly impressed.

Added: Friday 12 November 2010 04:19:13 PST


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

Hi Michael Timothy, thanks for all the info on the cars. I'll never forget my ride along Lake Shore Drive in your '68 Park Lane several years ago! Beautiful car and it really does move! That's my favorite of the McGarrett cars. I prefer the earlier seasons :)

Added: Thursday 11 November 2010 21:40:47 PST


Submitted by: KDMCG
From: words to the wise

Mr. Mike after rebooting my phone, I can now post again. And, it is great because many friends have returned and I am loving this guestbook. Kimo, Michael Hedges et. al it is great to have you all back and yes Michael please DO take some time away from the maitais and post.

Added: Thursday 11 November 2010 21:02:51 PST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

Thanks for the info, Michael. Since you do not live too far from me, let me know if there is anytime you will have the car on display. I would love to come and see it. Thanks.

Added: Thursday 11 November 2010 18:27:08 PST


Submitted by: Michael Timothy
From: Palatine, IL

As far as the vintage Mercurys go-----both cars were somewhat rare when new. 40 years after the fact, they are extremely difficult to find. The '74 is a hardtop is literally impossible to find-I have seen only two, and one of them is the Nordlum car. The '68 is somewhat easier to find, if you're connected to the collector car market. The actual cars were built for use by FoMoCo executives in Dearborn, MI-and turned over to Leonard Freeman when they had done their duty. As for how they drive, the '68 has a ton of power and as can be seen in the episodes, is easy to throw around. It drives today as it did in its heyday, IF i wanted to beat on it. The '74 is a lot heavier and not as responsive. The ride of the '74 is much better than the '68. As for the driving ability of the Lord, I notice that he frequently drove with his left foot on the brake. I surmise he was a bit paranoid about the car going out of control as he was trying to toss it around for effect, or perhaps he always drove like my granny.....

Added: Thursday 11 November 2010 18:14:24 PST


Submitted by: Sylvia
From: Classic TV land

Great ending to Season 8's "Honor Is An Unmarked Grave," with McGarrett's answer to Mrs. Henderson's question of whether he has ESP: "No, but I'm thinking of having it installed. It'd save a lot of time." :)

Added: Thursday 11 November 2010 16:24:12 PST


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: The Future

Ringfire: true about the dolphin scene, it was cool as hell. and RIP, Somebody is a great episode, a great starter ep for a newcomer! TIN IDOL! (saw that one on original air date!)

Boris: true also about Two Doves. If that doesn't hook a person, then what would?

Added: Thursday 11 November 2010 15:40:39 PST


Submitted by: boris
From: spfld ma

what was the last note in Burning Ice, Otto? i dont know. What a tempter.

"definitive" seems to defy the meaning of Five-0 for me which is almost always playing somewhere in the apartment or in my head, like recurring, frequent dreams of youth - events happening long ago, far away but always very familiar, important and defining.

That said, maybe "Two Doves and Mr Heron" - the hippies, the come-uppance, the morality tale, drugs, confused hippies, Steve's hair and suit looking good, perverts, the beach, greed, the airport, confused hippies.

Added: Thursday 11 November 2010 15:23:16 PST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Actually BURNING ICE has a great scene at Sea Life Park which I always consider quite scenic. Yes, a very good episode indeed. But the one that followed is my all-time favorite of the entire series - "Rest in Peace, Somebody". Both episodes directed by Paul Stanley BTW.

Added: Thursday 11 November 2010 15:02:05 PST


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: NYC

OK, one last thing about THE BURNING ICE. The only thing missing in order to make it THE definitive Five-O was the abundant Hawaiian scenery. So the question is what is the definitive episode, not your favorite, but the one that seems to have ALL the elements??? tough question, i don't know...

Added: Thursday 11 November 2010 14:49:24 PST


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: USA

Barbara and Rainbow Warrior: Happy Veterans Day to you and everybody else on the guestbook. (And to the late Jack Lord, who served during World War II.) Rainbow, you may see some of those pics soon. I'll let you know when.

Last night i watched The Burning Ice (Jackie Cooper also served in the Big One). I had forgot how great that episode is, and not just on its own merit, but because it is so definitive of the Five-O flavor. A good introductory episode for someone not familiar with the show. It has most the elements of a classic episode, a nicely twisting plot, great music, plenty of Che Fong, and mostly, the sheer depravity of the villain, who exploits the fragile emotions of a desperate soul. And what was with the last note of the five-o theme at the very end? Weird!

Added: Thursday 11 November 2010 14:46:26 PST


Submitted by: Heather-Rose Ryan
From: North Conway, NH

KDMcG's link: wow, I don't know which is worse - the braindead blog ("I hate this kind of show but I'm just going to tell you what I think of this one anyway";) or the braindead commenters who say "Yes it's a bad show but everyone's so hottttt", etc.

Why do I watch the new show? Because it's a pretty good show, except for the writing (and even that does have its moments). I like the setting, I like the cast, I like the action. And as a longtime fan of the original show, I like the oblique references to it. It's an interesting takeoff. I like seeing what they're doing with the modern reinterpretation of the old H50 style and worldview. A lot of times I disagree with what they're doing, but sometimes I agree, and sometimes I like the new version even better than the old one (the more egalitarian relationship between McG and Danno, for instance). If you look at it as an example of speculative fan-fiction, rather than an attempt at replicating the original, then it gets a lot better and more understandable.

Added: Thursday 11 November 2010 13:26:48 PST


Submitted by: Kimo

I would love to see the new H50 incorporate scenes of the Ilikai.
One, it is still photogenic. makai view especially. Mauka view, all bussup, braddah! Still, they ought to do it.
Two, as a nod to the original series.
and hey!
Ilikai Condo apt. sells for ONLY $15,000.!
wow.
ref:
ilind dot net

Added: Thursday 11 November 2010 12:18:46 PST


Submitted by: KDMCG
From: why oh why?

bit.ly/alRoVX

Added: Thursday 11 November 2010 12:07:58 PST


Submitted by: KDMCG
From: Hawaii Five-O:the original and still the best

Mike-love the script tweak-believe it or not I thought of writing Mother as well. Love the new torture ideas for the new show. Not that I am condoning it, but they have torture every week.

Aloha Michael Hedges! Wow, it is so good to have the old gang back! Thank you Mr. Mike

Added: Thursday 11 November 2010 11:55:52 PST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Great message Barbara, Happy Veterans Day to all our veterans who gave their lives, blood, sweat and tears so we could live in freedom. We love you all and we always will.

To those that have fallen in service of us, WE will never forget your sacrifice and your love of country. You are the best of us.

To Otto, a special salute to your grandfather who you told me about a few weeks ago as he served as a navy firefighter during World War II. I bet those are great pictures you have, and I'm jealous of that picture of the USS Missouri at sunset that you described. That must be one beautiful shot!

Added: Thursday 11 November 2010 09:05:11 PST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

Happy Veterans Day to all the veterans and their families who are on this guestbook. Thank you so much for your service.

Added: Thursday 11 November 2010 08:09:00 PST


Submitted by: Steven
From: Miami, Luv

I'm in the middle of a "Don Knight Does Five-O" marathon and even the presence of those non-acting Indian consulate employees can't keep "Ring of Life" from soaring towards the top of the "troubled" seventh season!

Great score by George Romanis, too.

Added: Thursday 11 November 2010 05:02:11 PST


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