The Hawaii Five-O Home Page Guestbook -- November 2009



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Thank you, Frank. I'll gladly take you up on your offer to help. As soon as I have a draft, I'll let you know. Your credentials are exactly what we need for this project.

Right now, I'm about 1/2 to 2/3rds of the way through reviewing the music to identify the sections recommended for inclusion.

As I said before, there's far too much for a single CD. We might want to decide whether to trim the list before we submit it to CBS or to include everything and let them pare it down. Any thoughts on that? I should have a list ready for you to review within the next day or two.

H50 1.0 Forever
My heart is in, HI - Monday, November 30, 2009 at 20:23:37 (PST)
Aloha Frank from Wakefield.. check out www.HawaiianKnights.com & give me a buzz...
Five-0
Honolulu , Hi - Monday, November 30, 2009 at 18:32:22 (PST)
I would be more than happy to proof/tweak/edit any letter of submission. In a previous life I worked in a marketing department and had to author budget requests each year. I also had some success as a screenwriter which included a lot of correspondence with producers, agents, etc. This is not me blowing my own horn, just me providing some background info.
Frank
Wakefield, MA United States - Monday, November 30, 2009 at 18:06:01 (PST)
Mike Q., do you have any comments regarding the Soundtrack CD project thus far and what music should be included?...just curious...thanks...:-)
Glenn
Orlando, FL USA - Monday, November 30, 2009 at 16:32:25 (PST)
Thank you, Barbara. I appreciate your saying that. Yes, I've taken a break. Will take another look at it tomorrow and won't try to do so much at once. Hopefully, breaking it up into manageable parts will solve the problem. Again, thank you. Now, I think I'll put on a Makaha Sons CD. LOL
H50 1.0 Forever
My heart is in, HI - Monday, November 30, 2009 at 16:27:40 (PST)
H50 Forever, I hate to hear that your music compliation project is getting you down. I can "hear" the discouragement in your words. Do take a mental health break, remember that your efforts are appreciated, and above all else remember that our favorite show is meant to be enjoyed, not agonized over. Don't let this spoil it for you. Your heart and your mind both should be Hawaii! Go slow and easy and allow some island attitude to wash over you!! Feel any better? I hope so.
Barbara
Pittsburgh, PA USA - Monday, November 30, 2009 at 15:08:04 (PST)
People have requested far more than the major themes, Glenn. For that matter, I want more than the major themes, the navy theme in "Follow the White Brick Road", which is not the same as the military theme, which appears in several episodes. I know the major ones are complete, but we're talking about interludes and cues, as well. This project has long since passed a length that can be contained on a single CD. Still, if the people suggest it, I need to include it on the list, and that's not easy. I'm having to go back and watch each episode involved to try and find what they have described in words. Then, I have to make a note of the counter number, starting and stopping. Right now, I'm bummed, so if I sound angry, that's why. I'm taking a break to write for awhile before I go back to this tedium. Now, would you like to pitch in and help out?
H50 1.0 Forever
My heart is in, HI - Monday, November 30, 2009 at 12:14:13 (PST)
Whenever the end credits say, "Music By Morton Stevens" or "Music By Bruce Broughton"...that usually means that a full score was written for that episode and that full score is on the reel tapes at UCLA....if an episode said, "Theme By Morton Stevens", that usually means that "stock" music was used for that episode, meaning "parts" of scores that were written previously as "full scores" were used in that particular episode by one or more Composers.

All of the episodes mentioned, such as HOOKMAN, WOE TO WO FAT or the FIVE-0 PILOT MOVIE had full, complete scores written for them - trust me on this one...:-)

Glenn
Orlando, FL USA - Monday, November 30, 2009 at 12:01:31 (PST)
The problem, Glenn, is that there are few full scores. Most were written as bits and pieces to fill in the space required. Like you, I wish they were full scores. Some of the music is so beautiful that it couldn't run long enough to suit me. But that's not how they were written. After all, they were never meant to be heard beyond the few seconds they serve to highlight. Remember, in 1968, when this all began, no one thought these episodes would still be seen today. Prime time and one re-run was all a program got in those days. As for preserving them on videotape and DVD...Huh? What's that? No doubt, Morton Stevens, Leonard Freeman, et al would have a difficult time understanding our interest in their work 41+ years after the fact.
H50 1.0 Forever
My heart is in, HI - Monday, November 30, 2009 at 09:19:32 (PST)
I would, too, Glenn, but I don't have those episodes to review to see what parts you want and how to describe them to CBS. Can you provide that information, please? Thanks!
H50 1.0 Forever
My heart is in, HI - Sunday, November 29, 2009 at 19:01:36 (PST)

Hi H50,

The best thing to tell CBS is that we are interested in the full score to the episodes mentioned - I figure it would come to about 20 minutes or so of music for each episode - I know that's what I would like to see on a CD release, so perhaps a FIVE-0 CD box set of all the episodes mentioned, starting off with the FIVE-0 Movie Pilot from 1968 by Morton Stevens - maybe some other people will chime in, but I think that they will also agree that "Full Score" CD releases is the best way to go.

Also, if you can, send an email to CD Producer Ford Thaxton to get his input - after all, he is the one who has hinted that a FIVE-0 CD may be in the works...:-)

Glenn
Orlando, FL USA - Monday, November 30, 2009 at 08:56:51 (PST)
Another good "tail" motif appears in Two-Faced Corpse when the character Houston(Sam Neill) is being tailed by the cops pretending to be hitmen. This theme appears in other episodes, too, don't know if this is the first appearance or not but it's great music.
Chris
Columbus, OH USA - Sunday, November 29, 2009 at 19:54:43 (PST)
I would, too, Glenn, but I don't have those episodes to review to see what parts you want and how to describe them to CBS. Can you provide that information, please? Thanks!
H50 1.0 Forever
My heart is in, HI - Sunday, November 29, 2009 at 19:01:36 (PST)
Well, some suggestions for music from season 8 include:

MURDER - EYES ONLY (STEVENS)
MCGARRETT IS MISSING (BROUGHTON)
SING A SONG OF SUSPENSE (STEVENS)
RETIRE IN SUNNY HAWAII...FOREVER (STEVENS)
HONOR IS AN UNMARKED GRAVE (STEVENS)
TURKEY SHOOT AT MAKAPUU (STEVENS)

SEASON 10:

UP THE REBELS (STEVENS)
THE FRIENDS OF JOEY KALIMA (STEVENS)

I would love to see some of these find their way to a CD release...:-)

Glenn
Orlando, FL USA - Sunday, November 29, 2009 at 16:26:07 (PST)
Thank you. I'm taking notes. Will go back and check the melodies that are not clearly defined - at least, as well as I can without having all episodes at my disposal. Does anyone with seasons 8, 10, and 11 want to review the themes from episodes in them in order to write descriptions that will tell CBS what we want?
H50 1.0 Forever
My heart is in, HI - Sunday, November 29, 2009 at 13:35:32 (PST)
I can't believe I forgot to mention that I also saw the reel tapes to the episodes, HOOKMAN & HOW TO STEAL A MASTERPIECE when I was out to UCLA in 2000 - what a thrill it was to see all of these reels mentioned at the Library.

Anyway, it's nice to know they ARE there and ready for transfer to CD when the time comes...:-)

Glenn
Orlando, FL USA - Sunday, November 29, 2009 at 12:32:44 (PST)
I believe this scene/theme was mentioned in an earlier post. A "soft" version of the main theme, one of my favorites. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOOK_by6v1Q


Rick
Newport Beach, CA USA - Sunday, November 29, 2009 at 12:12:15 (PST)
I always liked the cue used in the pre-title sequence of 'While You're at It, Bring in the Moon' - you know, the piano arrangement which is played whilst McGarrett is driven to Morgan Hilliard's yacht. Another episode containing some good cues is 'The Flip Side Is Death'.
Steve
UK - Sunday, November 29, 2009 at 12:05:49 (PST)
We Hang Our Own has a great score, very unusual for the series. As I said before, most of my favorite themes aren't identified with specific episodes, so it's hard for me to pin them down. There is one that was used infrequently, maybe only during a couple of fourth season episodes, I believe it appears in 3000 Crooked Miles to Honolulu, a dramatic theme featured when cars are seen driving down the street, maybe ambulances, or something like that. Also, Cloth of Gold features some of the major themes, but I don't think it's the first time any of that music appeared.
Chris
Columbus, OH USA - Sunday, November 29, 2009 at 11:27:55 (PST)
I'd like to see music from the episodes "Hookman", "Murder - Eyes Only", "Nine Dragons", "The Lion on the Streets" and "Labryinth".
Wave_Crest
United Kingdom - Sunday, November 29, 2009 at 10:08:58 (PST)
Thank you, H50 1.0 Forever for all your efforts. Hopefully we will get our CD :-)
And I'm glad you know again where your heart is ;-)

Nadja
Berlin, - Sunday, November 29, 2009 at 03:27:57 (PST)
Thank you, Frank. Good suggestions! I probably should write here what I wrote on my site: I'm going to allow several more days for folks here and there to submit their suggestions. Then, I'm going to try and write a persuasive letter by way of asking CBS to make this CD. If anyone will offer to take a look at the draft I come up with, I'd really appreciate it. As I said before, I'm no salesman, and this needs to make CBS feel that it is to their advantage to do this. When the letter is ready to go, I'll send it to the contacts that Glenn provided (see farther down the guestbook messages for his note). Then, we'll just have to cross our fingers and hope for the best. I know it's a VERY long shot, but if we don't try, it certainly won't happen, will it?
H50 1.0 Forever
My heart is in, HI - Saturday, November 28, 2009 at 20:25:02 (PST)
I'm going to throw my two cents in regarding some of the best music from the Five-0 series. I love when they are able to take the theme song and slow it down to make nice background music or change it a bit to set the mood for an ending.

In 'Samurai', the theme version they play while McGarrett is driving down the street after leaving the governor's office is my favorite example. Also, the music that opens 'Rest in Peace, Somebody' as McGarrett enters his office.

The theme variant used at the end of 'RIP, Somebody' and for other episodes like 'Goodnight, Baby, You're Dead' evoke just the right emotion for those type of endings.

Frank
Wakefield, MA United States - Saturday, November 28, 2009 at 17:31:00 (PST)
These are good suggestions, Glenn and Chris. I'll add them to the list. Chris, I'll listen to the episodes you mentioned (the ones I have) and see if I can pick out the theme you're talking about. Maybe I can think of a way to describe it. Glenn, a whopping thank you for the contact information. I'll follow up on that just as soon as everyone has had a chance to add their favorites to the list. I doubt whether all will fit on a single CD, but more will than with full-length songs, so I'll list 'em all. For now, let's put together the best list we can for letting us listen to the music we love. Thanks again, both of you. I will, indeed, keep you posted as this project progresses.
H50 1.0 Forever
Somewhere in the, USA - Thursday, November 26, 2009 at 20:29:22 (PST)
Hi H50,

Some must have FIVE-0 scores that must be included on a soundtrack release include:

HAWAII FIVE-0 PILOT MOVIE (1968, MORTON STEVENS)
NINE DRAGONS (1976, MORTON STEVENS)
WOE TO WO FAT (1980, MORTON STEVENS)
DEATH WITH FATHER (1974, MORTON STEVENS)
100,000 NICKEL (1973, BRUCE BROUGHTON)
A THOUSAND PARDONS, YOU'RE DEAD (1969, STEVENS)

I saw the tape reels for these episodes while I was visiting the UCLA Music Library in August, 2000 so I know they are there - also, record producer FORD THAXTON has hinted quite some time ago that the FIVE-0 scores would be released someday.

Glenn
Orlando, FL USA - Thursday, November 26, 2009 at 20:17:41 (PST)
Good addition to my comments, H50, Gun for McGarrett is like Engaged to Be Buried, a good episode that frustratingly refuses to be great. Regarding the soundtrack suggestions, unfortunately some of my favorite motifs don't belong to specific episodes, they recur frequently throughout the series, so I don't really know how to identify them. For instance, there's one theme that is frequently used when a suspect is being tailed, I think its first appearance might have been during the teaser for season two's Forty Feet High and It Kills but I'm not sure, I'm sure everyone would recognize it, it's something of a standard for the series, kind of jazzy and James Bondish, a reworking of this theme appears in Steal Now, Pay Later, when the truck being driven by Chin is hijacked. I also remember it appearing in The Diamond That Nobody Stole, during that long sequence in the fourth act where the Five-O crew is tailing Eric Braeden's character.
Chris
Columbus, OH USA - Thursday, November 26, 2009 at 18:43:14 (PST)
Gather around, everyone. I've been working on the CD soundtrack project. On the CBS website, I looked through their store and saw that they are selling a CD soundtrack for a newer program. So, releasing soundtracks is not an alien idea to them.

I've also posted a list of soundtracks I would like to see on a CD and have asked my viewers to add to it. So far, two have made excellent additions to the list.

So, here is where you come in. Some of you own videotapes of the seasons that haven't been released on DVD, yet, so you are familiar with the soundtracks in those episodes. If some of those stand out as worthy of inclusion in a CD, please let me know by giving the episode name, the season, and where the music appears within the episode. You can see examples of what I mean by checking my website (although I do need to go back and add the season numbers).

Although I have come up with a snail-mail address for CBS in Los Angeles, I have not come up with the name of a contact in the Music Department. We all know mail is much more effective if it is addressed to a specific person. Does anyone have any idea who that person(s) might be? If so, would you mind sharing that information with me?

Also, if some of you are good at marketing ideas, I would love to have you think of convincing arguments for why CBS should issue such a CD (It will help promote DVD sales for the original series... It will help promote the new series... Well, you get the idea). I'm no salesman; I really need your help here.

Mahalo!

H50 1.0 Forever
Somewhere in the, USA - Thursday, November 26, 2009 at 16:09:16 (PST)
On the overall, Chris, I agree with you. Time was wasted showing the assassin lying in wait in Kapi`olani Park. They could have had Chin walk in and say he observed it and accomplished the same thing. That time could have been put to much better use as you described.

Re: "Apparently Mr. Savage isn't the brightest of Five-O villains," clearly, he's not. He thinks he's going to waltz into Hawai`i and bamboozle the local thugs. They didn't get to be the local thugs by being stupid. Just shows how stupid - and, especially, arrogant - Savage was. His scheme was set to fail before he ever introduced it with his oh, so colorful charts. Aargh!!!

H50 1.0 Forever
???, ??? USA - Thursday, November 26, 2009 at 07:21:33 (PST)
As another person mentioned, I can't believe it's been 35 years (just about to the day to the day!) and we still don't have a lot of answers on why Al Harrington left or to any other behind-the-scenes issues. Many obscure programs have had a Biography or E! documentary of their history, and it's hard to believe its not been done for 5-0. Both Jack (and later Marie) seemed to control the flow of information better than some government spy agencies, so this type of show would hopefully be enlightening. Maybe as with the 5-0 revival we can start some type of a push for a documentary before all of the show's remaining players die...
Steve D.
Fairfax, VA US - Thursday, November 26, 2009 at 06:48:22 (PST)
Here's my take on season seven's A Gun for McGarrett(SPOILER ALERT). Mr. Mike's three stars is appropriate, a good, solid episode if maddeningly unexceptional. The thing is, with a few added touches it could have been a classic, one of the great "human side of McGarrett" episodes as Mr. Mike likes to put it. All they had to do was delay the "big revelation," prolong the courtship while playing up the burgeoning relationship between Marnie and McGarrett a little more, maybe have them grow closer because of their mutual scars, their run ins with organized crime, this might have been an opportunity for McGarrett to actually appear vulnerable for once as he confesses to being, gasp, a little bit frightened by the threats made on his life. Their near death experiences might have been the bond that draws them together and causes McG to momentarily let his guard down. My guess, either the producers or Jack were too gutless to show McGarrett as anything other than an impregnable rock, and the episode is sadly lacking in humanity. That isn't the only flaw, the whole decoy assassin is a good idea, but the way it's handled doesn't wash, assassinating the assassin wouldn't make McGarrett relax, it would only make him more suspicious. Apparently Mr. Savage isn't the brightest of Five-O villains. Plus, isn't it a bit of a coincidence that one of the mob leaders is also a bomber, was he involved in making Savage's bomb? This is never explained. On the whole, though, an entertaining way to pass fifty minutes, although it definitely qualifies as one of those coulda shoulda been better episodes.
Chris
Columbus, OH USA - Thursday, November 26, 2009 at 05:52:34 (PST)
Exactly, Mike! I agree.
H50 1.0 Forever
I dunno, - Wednesday, November 25, 2009 at 19:59:53 (PST)
Maybe Harrington found it much easier to say that he was "let go" rather than go into a lengthy discussion about his religious beliefs.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC Canada - Wednesday, November 25, 2009 at 16:48:41 (PST)
Was just about to come on here and ask what happened to Ben? I guess some of you guys were thinking the same thing. Just finished The Hostage probably one of my highlights of the season so far. I've still got 3 episodes on the last disc to go about to fire up Diary of Gun right now. The season has gotten better as it went along.
rob
cincinnati, oh usa - Wednesday, November 25, 2009 at 13:01:50 (PST)
I agree with Collin 100%. Al Harrington has clearly stated that he was let go. If he left of his own free will then why would he lie about it? Makes no sense. And we all know that Jack wasn't the easiest guy to get along with. So the only thing we know for sure is that Al was canned. As for what reason exactly, we may never know.
ringfire211
Philadelphia, PA USA - Wednesday, November 25, 2009 at 11:09:44 (PST)
Mike:

Go to the "Emme's Island Moments: Memories of Hawaii Five-O," on the H5-O 1st season DVD. I think that is where I picked it up. I am pretty sure the explanation he gives was one of being let go, and mentions the "too tall or too something" excuse. That may be completely untrue, but that is what he said. If he asked to be released from his contract, why wouldn't he have just said so?

Collin
Shawnee, KS USA - Wednesday, November 25, 2009 at 11:05:24 (PST)
I'll accept your caller's explanation, Mike. That makes more sense than anything else. Jack believed, himself; so, yes, he would understand Al's desire to resign.

Deli Waiter, I agree. It would be wonderful if "Biography" honored Jack's memory with a FACTUAL biography. Perhaps, he was such a private person (even his family refused to discuss him with reporters) that it is impossible to gather enough factual information to do a whole program on him???

H50 1.0 Forever
I'm not sure where I am, - Wednesday, November 25, 2009 at 04:02:08 (PST)
Al (Ben) was "cool" and McG noticed. The camera loved Ben, more than McG and that is why he got canned, probably. None of us will ever know for sure. It a damn shame there has never been a "Biography" on JL and/or H5O. One of the greatest shows of syndication, still being broadcast to this very day and not even one hour on Biography! A damn shame, bruddah. I always liked how Ben read his lines, when he got a chance to speak full sentences. Most of the time, he is saying "Right." Fave Ben episode "Percentages"
DeliWaiter
n/a, n/a n/a - Tuesday, November 24, 2009 at 22:59:32 (PST)
Some fellow phoned me up tonight. He said he definitely recalls reading an article in the local paper sometime around the 7th season that said Al Harrington had found religion (Mormonism was not specifically mentioned) and went to Jack Lord and said that he wanted to be let out of his contract because he didn't agree with all of the violence that was on the show. Jack Lord understood, and that was the end of Ben.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC Canada - Tuesday, November 24, 2009 at 21:39:04 (PST)
I hope it's baloney, but I also hope the height thing is baloney. One seems as senseless as the other. In keeping with what you said, Mike, I read that Doug Mossman was 6'4". He was even visibly tall on screen. That would, indeed, debunk the height tale.
H50 1.0 Forever
My heart is in, HI - Tuesday, November 24, 2009 at 20:38:44 (PST)
You probably read that >rumour< here, it is mentioned on the archived Guestbook page for November 2008, originally seen in a "review" for Season 7 on amazon.com: http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/gbarchived/gbnov08.htm

As far as I can determine, this rumour is utter baloney.

Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC Canada - Tuesday, November 24, 2009 at 20:07:59 (PST)
I read (where???) that Al Harrington was fired for preaching Mormon teachings amongst the cast and crew. It is well documented that he is a practicing Mormon. Apparently, some members did not approve and complained. If this was the case, no doubt, he received one or more warnings before he was actually terminated, although the source I read did not say.
H50 1.0 Forever
Uh huh, - Tuesday, November 24, 2009 at 18:31:22 (PST)
I dunno why Harrington would have been fired for being "tall" and then replaced by Mossman, since Mossman is even taller ... I think Mossman is at least 6'4" (he is taller than me, and I am 6'2").

Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC Canada - Tuesday, November 24, 2009 at 15:56:18 (PST)
Jeff:
Al Harrington was fired about half-way through the 7th season. The story goes it was Jack Lord's doing, but even Harrington has been vague when asked why. He says "I was too tall, or too-something." My own suspicion is that after Leonard Freeman died, JL became the de facto boss of the show and was not comfortable with someone who was his own height or taller on camera.

Collin Freeman
Shawnee, KS USA - Tuesday, November 24, 2009 at 13:48:06 (PST)
'Bones of Contention' is, for me, one of the few highlights of Season 7. That said, I've just watched 'How To Steal A Masterpiece' for the 1st time in ten yrs and I have to say, its excellent! 'Masterpiece' could well be contender for best episode of this season.
Steve
UK - Tuesday, November 24, 2009 at 11:55:10 (PST)
I am currently enjoying season 7. Where is Al Harrington most of the time? Doug Mossman seems to be filling in on half the shows.
Jeff
Manorville, NY USA - Tuesday, November 24, 2009 at 09:51:28 (PST)
"The Young Assassins" is indeed one of the best of the WHOLE FREAKIN' SERIES. "Bones of Contention" however sucks. My 2 cents:-)
ringfire211
Philadelphia, PA USA - Monday, November 23, 2009 at 08:00:13 (PST)
Harsh, Steven, leaving out Bones of Contention and The Young Assassins, two of the best episodes of the WHOLE FREAKIN' SERIES...but hey, everyone's entitled to an opinion.
Chris
Columbus, OH USA - Sunday, November 22, 2009 at 05:55:06 (PST)
I found out the original belonged to Chester Dale. He died in
1962 and left his Gallery including the Gauguin painting the National Gallery of Art: http://www.nga.gov/collection/gallery/gg82/gg82-46624-exhibit.html. So JL didn't own the original.

Nadja
Berlin, - Sunday, November 22, 2009 at 03:11:52 (PST)
A question arose over on my webpage, and I wondered whether anyone here can offer some input. A German Jack Lord website (http://www.jacklord.eu) showcases Jack's art. Mostly, these are pictures of his paintings; however, included among them is Paul Gauguin's "Fatata Te Miti," which is featured in "Masterpiece." In the credits at the end of "Masterpiece" is the statement "The 'Fatata Te Miti' by Paul Gauguin is in The National Gallery in Washington, DC. Did Jack own this work? If so, did he bequeath it to the Gallery? Did he own a copy of it? In short, does anyone have knowledge of the extent of Jack's private art collection?
H50 1.0 Forever
I dunno. Where am I?, - Saturday, November 21, 2009 at 17:16:34 (PST)
As threatened, My seventh season Top 10:

10) Welcome to Our Branch Office
9) Diary of a Gun
8) 6,000 Deadly Tickets
7) How to Steal a Masterpiece
6) And the Horse Jumped Over the Moon
5) Ring of Life
4) A Woman's Work is with a Gun
3) We Hang Our Own
2) Computer Killer
1) The Hostage

This season wasn't as strong as previous ones, but I'm warming up to it. This list will no doubt change as I go through them again. I think that Doug Mossman should've been on the DVD box cover, but seeing as he's not in the opening credits, I guess he's eliminated on a technicality; I don't think McGarrett would've liked that. Mossman's Frank Kamana character is a bit bland, but then they all were after Kono, IMO.

Steven
Miami, Fl USA - Friday, November 20, 2009 at 16:10:59 (PST)
What H50 1.0 Forever is referring to is this page where I list some of the more "unusual" questions that I have gotten from people about the show:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/questions.htm

Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC Canada - Thursday, November 19, 2009 at 10:17:56 (PST)
Oh, Mike, I'm all but rolling on the floor, laughing. I've been reading "Five-0 Questions for Mike" and can't believe some of them: "What are the best episodes for seeing Hawaiian scenery?" DUH!!! "Does McG say 'Book 'em (them)' or 'Book 'im (him)'?" "I'm looking for a scene that was in either Season 1 or 2" (You told them it was in Season 7, but they wanted to know how to obtain copies of 1 and 2). Does this mean I can ask you why they didn't release Season 12 after Seasons 1 and 2, since it has the same digits in it? Oh, but, they will release Season 12 after Seasons 1 and 2, won't they? LOL

So, Mike, here's my question: Do you think I need to go back to bed and start this day all over again? LOL

H50 1.0 Forever
My heart is in, HI - Thursday, November 19, 2009 at 04:34:02 (PST)
"Zulu's Revenge" - I like that. Kono will always hold a very special place in my heart.
H50 1.0 Forever
My heart is in, HI - Wednesday, November 18, 2009 at 17:35:15 (PST)
In the fourth season show Follow the White Brick Road, in the opening teaser for the episode, a sailor is shown going to make a heroin drop-off at the "White Horse Tattoo Parlor". He arrives at the tattoo parlor to make his delivery in a Bernie's Cab, license number 8C-6310. This cab and scene are the same as when David Birney, pursued by McGarrett and Danno in a white Mustang, makes his heroin delivery at the close of the show, shot from a different angle. You can see the white Mustang, with McGarrett in the passenger seat, make the hard left turn in the teaser. The person in the cab in the teaser is intentionally hard to see. You even have the same vehicles behind the Mustang as in the closing scene: a beat-up brown pickup truck and a green car off to the pickup's right. As well, on the street corner you can see a guy in a blue shirt and a man with a little kid. Thanks to Mark Lewonczyk for pointing this out.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC Canada - Wednesday, November 18, 2009 at 14:33:43 (PST)
In the season 6 show 30,000 Rooms and I Have a Key, at approximately 12:20 of Chapter 3 of the DVD, there is a shot of the front of the International Market Place. There is a banner sign which appears to be advertising a performance or appearance by ZULU (maybe this is "Zulu's Revenge"?). Thanks to David Burt for pointing this out.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC Canada - Wednesday, November 18, 2009 at 14:03:57 (PST)
Yeah, by 1972 (which is when "Brick Road" was filmed and broadcast) these so-called "drug-trip" scenes were pretty much yesterday's news. They were big in the mid-to-late 60s! As already mentioned, this was especially evident in season 1's "Up Tight" where the drug-users end up experiencing this psychedelic aura (expertly filmed too!) while trying to "touch God" or something. But there was nothing like this in "Brick Road". Other than the weird camera angles sequence at the beginning that shows the sailor crossing the street while high on the bad drugs and then collapsing right in front of a car (cool scene by the way!).
ringfire211
Philadelphia, PA USA - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 at 07:38:38 (PST)
Goofy drug trip scenes were pretty prevalent in the late '60's, by the era of White Brick Road, maybe not so prevalent. There's a lot of that stuff in the first season episode, Up Tight, maybe that's what you're thinking about?
Chris
Columbus, OH USA - Monday, November 16, 2009 at 19:09:59 (PST)
I'm thinking I may have imagined it or am mixing it up with another ep... but it's driving me nuts anyway.
ChrissieH
UK - Monday, November 16, 2009 at 16:53:09 (PST)
So I watched Follow the White Brick Road (I'm nowhere near catching up on these DVDs, and if not for a bday gift I'd be even further behind), and I have important questions...

It's been ten+ years since I saw this ep, but one thing I seemed to recall -- and was anticipating -- was that when the junkie on the boat is given the bad dope... in my head I see this short, trippy, tilted-angles sequence of his going out of his head. Before they find him zonked.

Did I imagine this? If not, it isn't on the R2 DVD. If not, is it on the R1 set? Or is it one of the unspecified 'edits' that are always mentioned on the box?

Argh. Must know!!

ChrissieH
UK - Monday, November 16, 2009 at 16:46:56 (PST)
No very interesting weekend, H50 1.0 Forever. Actually, I'm still trying to adjust. Every muscle is hurting because of the temperatures here. And my heart is hurting because I miss my Hawaii so much. Watching season 7 like everyone here ;-) My favs until yet: "The Young Assassins", "How to steal a Masterpiece" and "A Woman's work is with the Gun". Last night I watched "Study in Rage" but I don't know, Richard Hatch as a hapa haole doesn't work good for me.
Nadja
Berlin, - Monday, November 16, 2009 at 11:16:38 (PST)
Hello H50 Forever, the Guestbook posters are alive and well (at least we are!). As for my weekend -- I gave up on new "The Prisoner" after an hour. I gave it the old college try, but no go. It was no Patrick MacGoohan, unfortunately. Of course, that just made me wonder if I would have the same disappointment with a new H50. I'd give it a go at least.

Barbara
Pittsburgh, PA USA - Monday, November 16, 2009 at 08:16:49 (PST)
No, I don't have anything to say, but it's been so long since anyone posted anything that I thought I'd better check to see if the guestbook is working. If it is, I can only imagine that a lot of people had very interesting weekends. LOL
H50 1.0 Forever
Where is everyone?, - Monday, November 16, 2009 at 05:16:32 (PST)
I have one more episode left of S7 and it will be a challenge to come up with my usual "Top 10" list. I find that the ones I like are more for their musical scores--the quality is still high--and for kitschy elements rather than for their dramatic power.

However, I'm sticking with this show until the bitter end, and I will take the poster's advice who said to take a break for awhile and watch them again with a fresh persepctive, as we tend to get overstimulated by having watched so many episodes. Though I never had this problem with the previous six seasons.

I'll regale you all with my Top 10 list later this week. ;)

Steven
Miami, Fl USA - Sunday, November 15, 2009 at 06:06:50 (PST)
Ok, it's late Sat night, I'm a little bored (but I won't hang myself...) and so I'm surfing around a little and find this.... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3929684751749233#
Big H
Raleigh, NC USA - Saturday, November 14, 2009 at 19:21:05 (PST)
Alas hope abounds I'm not ready to jump ship just yet. I enjoyed the final 3 shows on disc 4 Bones, Computer and Woman's Work.
rob
cincinnati, oh usa - Saturday, November 14, 2009 at 08:15:04 (PST)
I still think seasons 3-7 were the real glory years. Seasons one and two were great, with the show still finding its voice, season three was where it all came together, and the high quality and grittiness and masterful storytelling and diversity of ideas lasted through season seven. I seem to remember season eight losing some of the show's edge, a trend that continued with season nine, it became more, dare I say it, wimpy, then in season ten it started to get less and less interesting, and inspired. Of course, I haven't seen any of the post-seven seasons in ages, so I might change my mind after rewatching, but I remember feeling this way after watching the series in syndication years ago.
Chris
Columbus, OH USA - Saturday, November 14, 2009 at 06:18:56 (PST)
Thank you for letting us know about Paul Wendkos, Mike. He certainly did an outstanding job in "Cocoon," didn't he! It's so sad to watch these brilliant people pass away, even though it is the natural order of things.

Rob, watch all the Season 7 episodes, then put them away for a month or two or three before you watch them again. I think our expectations are too great after waiting six months for them to be released. But when we go back and watch them on a more level playing field, we see things about them that we didn't notice the first time through. I felt about Season 6 the way you describe on the first time through. There had been so much talk about how Season 6 was the best. So, I was expecting to see 24 episodes that left "Once Upon a Time" and "Singapore File" in the dust, and it just wasn't there. Now, though, I am watching Season 6 and feeling entirely differently about it. It's good! So is Season 7. You'll see.

H50 1.0 Forever
Rambling Along on a Saturday Morning, - Saturday, November 14, 2009 at 03:39:20 (PST)
I am working on disc 4, and so far season 7 has been like a dull knife, its just not cutting it. I keep waiting for something to grab me but it never does. The latest let-down was the Ossie Davis episode. The weakest ending ever. There is no sparkle or umph to any of these episodes. It pains me to say it but I think the wheels have finally fallen off McGarret's Marquis Brougham.
rob
cincinnati, oh usa - Saturday, November 14, 2009 at 03:25:29 (PST)
Paul Wendkos has died: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33922665/ns/entertainment/ He directed the Five-O pilot "Cocoon," as well as "Vikor," the episode of the Invaders that starred Jack Lord.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC Canada` - Saturday, November 14, 2009 at 01:20:45 (PST)
The actual year of the horse ran from Feb 1978 to Jan 1979 so while the episode was filmed during the correct Chinese year it was aired after it. Makes it a further mystery on why it was not used as the season premiere as intended. I think James MacArthur quit after that season was filmed(reached on the beach, saying he would not come back) so I guess it wouldn't matter what his last filmed episode was.
Steve D
Fairfax, VA US - Friday, November 13, 2009 at 11:42:40 (PST)
Thank you, Ringfire. I had thought he reprised the role but did not know when or how.
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My heart is in, HI - Friday, November 13, 2009 at 10:50:12 (PST)
No, Harold Gould ONLY played Honore Vashon and no-one else. He played him in the original trilogy in season 5 and returned one more time as Vashon in season 8's "The Case Against McGarrett". You're probably thinking of Luther Adler who played Dominick Vashon in the original trilogy and then came back and played a different character in season 7 - that of art collector Charles Ogden in the Jack Lord-directed episode "How to Steal a Masterpiece".
ringfire211
Philadelphia, PA USA - Friday, November 13, 2009 at 08:31:51 (PST)
A question: Did Harold Gould play in more episodes of Five-0 than the Vashon trilogy? If so, when and what did he play? Thanks!
H50 1.0 Forever
My heart is in, HI - Friday, November 13, 2009 at 08:08:48 (PST)
"It will give the series a shot in the arm". Is this supposed to be a pun, considering some woman dies of a heroin overdose in the first few minutes? This show is third in production order for the season, according to Karen Rhodes' book.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC Canada - Thursday, November 12, 2009 at 20:01:18 (PST)
I was reading some old Google news archives today (from 1978) and came across a story that talked about how "Year of the Horse" (the season 11 finale) was actually the first show filmed for that season, in April 1978. It was intended as the season premiere and Jack is quoted as saying "it will give the series a shot in the arm". I don't have this on tape so I can't tell if the production numbers agree with this.
Steve D.
Fairfax, VA US - Thursday, November 12, 2009 at 19:00:06 (PST)
I agree, Mike. I was going to keep track of musical cues, too, but it was too distracting. Maybe, one of these days, I'll get around to it. Not now.

I watched "Hookman" again last night and came away in awe. Certainly, it's easy to see why Morton Stevens' theme took an Emmy. What I can't see if why the episode didn't take acting/writing/directing/producing awards. They should have walked away with all the tropheys, together with an extra special awards for Jay J. Armes, who came across like a professional actor. Chilling and riveting. The solution to the crime followed logical steps. McGarrett didn't have to be stricken with sudden genius for this one.

P.S. If you see some of these remarks on my webpage, don't be surprised. Somehow, it's easier to write here than it is there. LOL. Thank you all for coming back again and again. I'm truly honored by your interest.

H50 1.0 Forever
My heart is in, HI - Thursday, November 12, 2009 at 17:53:58 (PST)
In earlier episodes, I tried to keep track of finger snapping, "Whaddya gots", etc. but this tends to distract me from watching the show itself and the usual trivia. Same thing with keeping track of musical cues, this is a whole other ballgame...
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC Canada - Wednesday, November 11, 2009 at 20:30:49 (PST)
Hey, Mike, thinking about that... maybe you could make your anal-yses *really* anal by adding a full list of McGarrett-isms to each ep. :) What would they be...

Book 'em
What've you got?
Easy... easy...
Finger-snapping
Desk-thumping

Any others? There are of course near-misses, like brooding at window at night and playing guitar when wistful. Too irregular to qualify.

Sorry, it's very cold over here and I'm trying to keep my mind off freezing to death...

ChrissieH
UK - Wednesday, November 11, 2009 at 12:12:42 (PST)
Again, I have to tip my hat to Composer Morton Stevens for his wonderful, excellent scores for A LION IN THE STREETS and WOE TO WO FAT from season 12. His music was the best thing about that season.

BTW, in remembering Morton Stevens, as he passed away at age 62 on this date - (11/11/91)...such an under-rated, truly genius of a Composer.

If anyone is interested, Mr. Stevens great score to ONE MAN JURY (1978) is still available on CD at:

www.buysoundtrax.com
www.screenarchives.com
www.intrada.com

This music has that FIVE-0 sound at times - I have this CD and it's just GREAT!!!:-)

Glenn
Orlando, FL USA - Wednesday, November 11, 2009 at 11:41:27 (PST)
I watched Lion in the Streets (not bad, I guess) and Woe to Wo fat yesterday. Hmmm. I'm tempted to say the latter is SO silly and stubbornly inane that it's almost a work of misunderstood genius! But I'd probably be talking absolute rubbish. :) Noted McGarrett did his finger-snapping while pacing his quarters. This is odd: from memory of reruns I thought he did this A LOT. But watching DVDs, it only seems to happen very occasionally. I'm looking forward to the leisure suit and the cesar haircut. Er, I guess.
ChrissieH
UK - Wednesday, November 11, 2009 at 10:56:32 (PST)
On her page, Virginia has an link to Life magazine, where there are several pictures that have a Five-O theme: http://www.life.com/image/first/in-gallery/32462/celebrating-hawaiis-fiveo

Though there are frequent references to "Danno" in the captions to these pictures, James MacArthur is nowhere to be seen!

As well, the pictures are interesting for their "white" view of the islands...

Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC Canada - Wednesday, November 11, 2009 at 09:10:32 (PST)
"For me, 'Nine Dragons' demonstrated what was lacking in seasons 7 & 8 i.e. the wow factor!" -- It's like I've been saying... seasons 7 and 8 slipped a bit in terms of quality episodes (or the WOW! factor) after the amazing season 6. Oh they were still solid seasons but they didn't quite have the magic touch of the first 6 seasons. Then came along season 9 and brought Five-0 back one last time to the glory days of the first 6 seasons! It was then all down-hill starting with season 10...
ringfire211
Philadelphia, PA USA - Wednesday, November 11, 2009 at 08:32:11 (PST)
Michael O'Herlihy was a superb director for 5-0 and likewise, for the music, Morton Stevens was much under rated. For me, 'Nine Dragons' demonstrated what was lacking in seasons 7 & 8 i.e. the wow factor!
Steve
UK - Wednesday, November 11, 2009 at 05:01:51 (PST)
Yes, NINE DRAGONS did have it all - one of my favorite episodes for sure and a great show to kick off season 9 - the score by Morton Stevens is just outstanding - I would LOVE to see this music (and others) released on CD someday.

And along with Jerome Coopersmith, I wanted to mention the great direction by Michael O'Herilhy for this episode, as well...:-)

Glenn
Orlando, FL USA - Tuesday, November 10, 2009 at 16:49:48 (PST)
Occasionally, I see an episode that really makes me wonder why Five-0 never won an Emmy for writing/directing/production. Oh, it was nominated for a number of awards, but it never won in those categories.

Today, I re-watched "Nine Dragons" (Season 9), written by one of the best, Jerome Coopersmith. If ever there was an episode that should have been an award winner, this is the one. It had all the qualities of a top-notch program - International intrigue and spine-chilling terror on a level seldom seen short of a major motion picture. Wo Fat was back, of course, in a classic white hats versus black hats plot with the black hats very nearly succeeding in destroying not only the person, but the reputation of the top white hat.

The music was among the best, this time written by Morton Stevens. Deep, rich tones, appropriately eerie, and bearing the traits that make it Five-0 music.

Yet, it received no nominations. I wish someone would tell me why Five-0 didn't walk away with all the awards in seasons featuring an episode of this calibre.

H50 1.0 Forever
My heart is in, HI - Tuesday, November 10, 2009 at 16:34:48 (PST)
The BBFC (British Board of Film Classification) in the UK added to their site today the 24 Jack Lord episodic promos for the seventh season Region 2 DVD boxset. They have given them altogether a 12 certificate and have a total running time of 23 minutes.
Wave_Crest
United Kingdom - Tuesday, November 10, 2009 at 12:06:32 (PST)
It's very similar to the scene when Kono is kidnapped....a bit to melodramatic for my tastes. Just catch the crooks and book 'em!!
Big H
Raleigh, NC USA - Tuesday, November 10, 2009 at 10:14:32 (PST)
Here's a video I came across on You Tube to the season 10 finale where Chin Ho is killed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TqLWP_uZKQ

Such a different feeling from earlier seasons...and McGarrett breaks down and cries..

Steve D
Fairfax, VA US - Tuesday, November 10, 2009 at 09:24:24 (PST)
very cool
KD McG
great, clip USA - Monday, November 09, 2009 at 21:33:20 (PST)
Ah, maybe I should sign it. I'm not that fussed about a remake though, really (ditto The Prisoner, which I shan't be bothering to watch; it's already been done, and done RIGHT)...

While here, I found this on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6yj1MLQmpM

It's Wo Fat talking about Taoism. From around 1989-91 (Bush as president is mentioned). Kinda interesting, I guess. I think he looks better with a moustache.

ChrissieH
UK - Monday, November 09, 2009 at 21:13:09 (PST)
Makes sense! Yes, I know "Brummy" Birmingham; was involved with the Prince's Trust event there a few years ago when I was an Advisor to a UK Government initiative.

It has really come up over the last few years! Cool place..not Hawaii, but cool anyway! By the way, did you see/sign the petition? The link is on the main page.

Have been on this site since 1997! Book em Mr Mike~

KD McG
Florida, vs London - Monday, November 09, 2009 at 21:05:56 (PST)
I'm sure they've had thickeners and scalp colourants for a loooong time theatrically. For instance, Lou Costello (and actually his partner, after he ditched the toupee) would 'ink in' his scalp quite a lot when it got a bit more visible over the years.

I'm from near Birmingham! Oh, it's a real fun place!! :-/

ChrissieH
UK - Monday, November 09, 2009 at 21:01:23 (PST)
Good points Chrisie. I use a very high quality hair thickener and it is indistinguishable from real hair and nobody has even noticed and i am even able to tease it to a McG style! i wan't aware that this technology was available back then-if so, case solved! By the way, my one works when wet as well.

By the way,I am originally from UK as well. Which part do you hail from?

KD McG
Good, points !!! - Monday, November 09, 2009 at 20:58:20 (PST)
For the sake of balance, however: JL certainly did wear eyeliner at times and undoubtedly had a facelift and the bags reduced under his eyes (see season one).

But I don't think it matters a bit.

ChrissieH
UK - Monday, November 09, 2009 at 20:55:10 (PST)
Re hair issue, it probably doesn't matter but I don't believe so. JL's hair could well sometimes look wispier, esp in candids, but there's something called thickening spray. Works pretty well if you actually have a decent amount of hair to begin with. Also, his hair changes colour every season, but the hair itself always looks basically the same! Sometimes it's henna, sometimes nearly black, sometimes verging on mousy. One would think if he needed to have a hairpiece matched to it he'd keep it a more consistent shade.

His hairline has the same quirks (there's a kink in the front that shows a bit of scalp through, when it's brushed so it's visible; it's even there on pics where he was really young) season to season even through the ever-changing hues. The lace might be a bit more apparent on the DVDs too (see: Herbert Lom's toupee).

I remember when Shatner amazed everyone in Star Trek IV with that diving scene. Indeed, his wig has a neat 'fake scalp' going on that's *quite* convincing, and yet... not completely. I think Mike posted a clip of JL with wet hair that was like ten years before this and was a LOT more convincing. JL didn't have access to wig technology no one else did. Even these days in movies, wet wigs continue to be somewhat easy to identify. (And of course, if JL was using thickening spray, it would come off when he got wet and the hair wouldn't look quite as fullsome... which it doesn't.)

Sorry, being trivial!!

ChrissieH
UK - Monday, November 09, 2009 at 20:48:19 (PST)
If he wore one it was a small one to cover a small spot on the crown-makes sense from the video clip Mr.Mike put up, but on the whole he was blessed. BUT i concur with Mr. Mike, it shouldn't detract from the character he created. I wish the star system would return; we have sacrificed quality over quantity and it is sad.

Call Jack a tyrant or not, the point is he left an indelible impression on celluloid. My view is that he was compelled to rule with an iron fist due to the nature of showbusiness, but outside the studio i perceive a very different man-one full of compassion and a gentle nature; a very introspective soul. A persona non gratis. Do i think he was an egomaniac? No. Come on, he read poetry.

I wish some of his relatives were still alive, so that we could hear from them. Much of the publicity i believe was hype he created

KD McG
Hawaii, Five 2.1.2.1.1.11/2 - Monday, November 09, 2009 at 20:46:38 (PST)
"Hairgate": Isn't that a place in England? LOL Love it!
H50 1.0 Forever

Dear H50, thank you! Your response made me laugh. Now yours was a good one.

As for the link Mr. Mike provided, talk about venomous! Jack Lord sure isn't that person's guy! So what if an actor perhaps wore a hairpiece or even some makeup? Stop the presses! Seriously, why put some sinister spin on it? His appearance was not necessarily an externalization of some inner torment. Geez.

Barbara
Pittsburgh , PA USA - Monday, November 09, 2009 at 14:48:08 (PST)
"Hairgate": Isn't that a place in England? LOL Love it!
H50 1.0 Forever
My heart is in, HI - Monday, November 09, 2009 at 13:48:46 (PST)
For some amusement regarding this "hair" business, check out this link: http://tinyurl.com/ylcrpxu ... start at the first item on the page, not the one which is expanded.

For those of you who want a condensed version of this, you can find it here: http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/judith.htm

Personally, I couldn't care less if Jack Lord wore a hairpiece or not.

Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC Canada - Monday, November 09, 2009 at 13:46:48 (PST)
Regarding "hairgate:" let's at least agree Jack Lord was one handsome man! When I was younger I remember thinking that he was old. Now that I'm older I realize how young and vital and good looking he was (and forever "is" captured on film). Perusing the various photographs, I think he aged much better than most -- not only outside, but inside. Steve McGarrett never lost that youthful enthusiam or drive. He proved that neither was the sole province of the young. He's my guy!
Barbara
Pittsburgh, PA USA - Monday, November 09, 2009 at 12:53:24 (PST)
Here is Terry Wollman's response. Not exactly what we had hoped for, but it was very kind of him to respond.

Hi Virginia,
Unfortunately, I do not know who the current contact is. I would suggest you call CBS directly and ask to speak to the in house music department or legal department to find out who to speak with.
Best,
Terry

H50 1.0 Forever
My heart is in, HI - Monday, November 09, 2009 at 12:47:46 (PST)
Here is Terry Wollman's response. Not exactly what we had hoped for, but it was very kind of him to respond.
Answers. It appears to be his own luxurious bouffant; after all James Macarthur has stated the same. UNLESS, his was a top of the range high-class, very authentic, realistic piece. To me, it really looks like his hair and also sways with the wind.

I have seen the later photograph in question and agree that his hair looks a little wispy; the 6th one down on the following link:

http://www.thejacklordconnection.com/Photo%20Galleries/Jack%20Lord%20color%20photos.htm

but it also very possible this is due to medication taken in later years, but then even his detractors have stated that with all his failings, falling hair wasn't one of them.

http://www.clevelandseniors.com/photos/doney/jack-lord-jim-doney.jpg

However, the 1986 entertainment tonight interview shows Jack looking a little different ; certainly possible that he was unwell, however looks like he still has hair, although he appears to be a little heavier rather like Lee Majors was for a while. In any case, let us live with the illusion that MCG is idnestructible!

KD, I'm curious. Re: "What is evident from the DVD's is that it is his own hair," could you elaborate? In what scene does this evidence present? The reason I ask, I've seen a photo of Jack taken not long after Five-0 ended (circa 1980-1981), and, in it, his hair is much thinner than it ever appears in Five-0, even in Season 12. Frankly, I wouldn't have minded seeing JL age, but, I suppose McGarrett had to make the governor think he was still forty-something. LOL
H50 1.0 Forever
My heart is in, HI - Sunday, November 08, 2009 at 04:23:48 (PST)

KD MCG
Hawaii, I wish - Monday, November 09, 2009 at 11:58:38 (PST)
Mr. Mike, maybe you're thinking of The Jinn Who Clears the Way(which I happen to love...sorry, Ringfire) in which Wo Fat disguises himself at the funeral, wearing a mask and traditional robes.
Chris
Columbus, OH USA - Monday, November 09, 2009 at 11:24:24 (PST)
There has been considerable discussion and enthusiasm for a Five-O soundtrack (expanded from the Capitol one, preferably) in both the Usenet newsgroup rec.music.movies and at Film Score Monthly for ages. Ford Thaxton made a post in the Usenet group, suggesting that something might happen in this regard, but that was about 7 years ago! http://tinyurl.com/ybm9omr
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC Canada - Monday, November 09, 2009 at 11:04:25 (PST)
Regarding In the Center Ring..., I thought in this episode Wo Fat disguised himself as a clown so McGarrett would not know who he was ... this would be like the opposite of Woe to Wo Fat, where McGarrett disguised himself as Professor Raintree, a disguise that any idiot could see through, though Wo Fat couldn't! I must have been thinking of some other show (not of Five-O, I think) where a villain disguised himself as a clown. I am surprised that when Wo Fat (who is disguised not very well in this circus show as a maintenance man) yells out "Look -- that man has a gun!" (or whatever), that McGarrett doesn't recognize his voice. There are far too many shots of dancing dogs in this show.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC Canada - Monday, November 09, 2009 at 10:52:38 (PST)
I had another idea regarding getting the FIVE-0 scores released - two gentlemen by the names of Ford A. Thaxton and Mark Banning of BUYSOUNDTRAX.COM are huge FIVE-0 and Morton Stevens music supporters - after all, they released Stevens' great ONE MAN JURY last year on CD - anyway, perhaps if we all write to them and express our interest in getting these scores released, it may help - BUYSOUNDTRAX did also release Bernard Herrmann CBS music a few years ago, so they do have an in with CBS. Thaxton and Banning can be reached at: info@buysoundtrax.com.

Who knows, something may come of it...:-)

Glenn
Orlando, FL USA - Monday, November 09, 2009 at 09:42:11 (PST)
"Presenting In the Center Ring is one of the biggest bunches of mess I've seen on 5-0 so far. Just hogwash from beginning to end." - Still, it's much better than the horribly overrated "The Jinn Who Clears the Way" which is like watching paint dry. I will never know what people love about that episode. The only memorable part is the ending where McGarrett in a fit of rage slams Wo Fat's passport against his desk! Definitely one of my least favorite episodes of season 5 and my least favorite Wo Fat episode.
ringfire211
Philadelphia, PA USA - Monday, November 09, 2009 at 08:17:52 (PST)
Presenting In the Center Ring is one of the biggest bunches of mess I've seen on 5-0 so far. Just hogwash from beginning to end.
rob
cincy, oh usa - Monday, November 09, 2009 at 08:14:14 (PST)
I got an e-mail from Kim at http://www.boneyardmedia.com regarding the "busybody" theme ... Kim says there was an earlier version of this theme which sounds a bit similar to the one from "Hookman," which is heard in "Air Cargo" and other earlier episodes ... that is the one that Kim wanted to refer to in relation to Iron Butterfly. See updated blog entry at the WWW site above.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC Canada - Monday, November 09, 2009 at 07:38:57 (PST)
Strictly speaking, what you are asking for is not correct.

Morton Stevens never released music (other than that on the Capitol LP) in LP form as far as I am aware. The two suites that I have referred to in the past were released on tape. This is referred to at Film Score Monthly: http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=63318&forumID=1&archive=0

Don Ray, on the other hand, released some of his music on a promotional LP (this included music other than Five-O, from what I am told).

Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC Canada - Monday, November 09, 2009 at 07:04:06 (PST)
Okay. I did it. I googled "CBS Music Director, West Coast" and came up with a musician who calls CBS one of his clients. His name is Terry Wollman. I sent him the following letter, asking him for the name and contact information for the current person in Morton Stevens' position:

Dear Mr. Wollman:

As one of a group of Hawaii Five-0 fans at Mike Quigley's "Hawaii Five-0 Home Page" (http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/), I am writing to see if you can give me the name and contact information for CBS Television's Director of Music, West Coast Operations. As I'm sure you know, this is the position once held by Morton Stevens.

Our reason for reaching the Director is to ask his assistance in having episodic themes released in CD format for purchase by the general public. We know that at least one promotional LP was made mid-series and included the themes for the Emmy winning "Hookman" and the notable "How to Steal a Masterpiece." We are interested in obtaining copies of that LP, preferably in CD format. We are also interested in obtaining the more outstanding episodic themes from the last five years of the series.

If you could let us know who to contact and how, we would be most grateful. Thank you.

We'll see if he responds and hope he has some ideas/hope to offer us.

H50 1.0 Forever
My heart is in, HI - Monday, November 09, 2009 at 05:59:12 (PST)
A petition has its drawbacks in this case, I fear. Unless someone is as familiar with Five-0 music as we are, he/she isn't going to understand the significance of our request; e.g., they won't support the petition. No, I think this needs a more personal touch, such as a letter to the CBS Music Department in LA. If they know we are big Morton Stevens/Don B. Ray/Bruce Broughton fans, they probably are, too, and will help us in this movement. Does anyone have any idea how to find out who now heads Music for West Coast operations?
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My heart is in, HI - Monday, November 09, 2009 at 05:40:51 (PST)
I've mentioned before that if we can get some kind of petition for us all to sign and send to CBS and the varius Soundtrack labels, then perhaps we can make some progress in getting those wonderful scores from FIVE-0 released on CD someday...:-)
Glenn
Orlando, FL USA - Sunday, November 08, 2009 at 18:46:36 (PST)
I like the smooth melody with the snappy rhythm - complete opposites blending quite unexpectedly. You're right, Chris. That style came later than the Iron Butterfly songs the blog mentioned. This particular melody was introduced at the start of Season 5 (1973-1974) with "Death is a Company Policy." We heard more music of the same style in future seasons ("Hookman, Season 6; "Masterpiece, Season 7...). Smooth!!! Also, this is the period when we began asking where we could find recordings of the music. So, I'll pose the question again: Is anyone here in a position to approach UCLA and/or CBS about the music in their archives possibly being made available to the public on CD?
H50 1.0 Forever
My heart is in, HI - Sunday, November 08, 2009 at 17:49:09 (PST)
The motif in question, which IS quite excellent, if memory serves me didn't appear until around the sixth season, negating the theory of Five-O influencing Iron Butterfly. Of course, I could be wrong.
Chris
Columbus, OH USA - Sunday, November 08, 2009 at 16:04:57 (PST)
Re: Boneyard, first of all, I think that's my favorite theme on Five-0. Second, re: their comment that Iron Butterfly and Morton Stevens seemed to be arranging music in a similar fashion, I seem to recall that music had that rich, bold sound at that time, taking full advantage of quadraphonic, which a few years later, would segue into Dolby surround sound, etc. Frankly, I love that sound and have come to expect all good music to have the same symphonic characteristics.
H50 1.0 Forever
My heart is in, HI - Sunday, November 08, 2009 at 12:32:48 (PST)
An interesting comment, currently first item in the blog: www.boneyardmedia.com
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC Canada - Sunday, November 08, 2009 at 07:26:48 (PST)
KD, I'm curious. Re: "What is evident from the DVD's is that it is his own hair," could you elaborate? In what scene does this evidence present? The reason I ask, I've seen a photo of Jack taken not long after Five-0 ended (circa 1980-1981), and, in it, his hair is much thinner than it ever appears in Five-0, even in Season 12. Frankly, I wouldn't have minded seeing JL age, but, I suppose McGarrett had to make the governor think he was still forty-something. LOL
H50 1.0 Forever
My heart is in, HI - Sunday, November 08, 2009 at 04:23:48 (PST)
Makes some sense. There was a photograph that i saw on a forum in which there is a photograph of Jack wearing what appears to be a knee pad or brace of some description.

One can surmise that he braved these pains during the show possibly taking painkillers as well. In post-show photographs, his fingers look swollen. There is every chance that his mobility suffered and with age came some associated memory problems as well. Alzheimers? we will never know for sure.

Another tidbit. (1920 is the right answer)

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1314&dat=19910702&id=_iMSAAAAIBAJ&sjid=w_ADAAAAIBAJ&pg=6800,617435

KD MCG
Hawaii, Five 2.1.2.1.1.1.00 - Saturday, November 07, 2009 at 16:14:59 (PST)
Another reason Jack Lord may have been pale during "Center Ring": He'd just dodged a bullet. In her book, Karen Rhodes wrote that it was during this episode that he walked off the show in a dispute with (in particular) William Finnegan over assorted things, including bringing people onto the set during filming. Rhodes wrote that Monte Markham, who had guest-starred in three previous episodes, had been hired to play a potential fill-in named Kincaid.

Lord, of course, came back to the set, and the series, after public pleas by the mayor of Honolulu and the governor of Hawaii.

Sylvia
Pembroke Pines, FL USA - Saturday, November 07, 2009 at 09:51:44 (PST)
You're right, it was Karen Rhodes who wrote about it. And I agree. As I already mentioned here my grandma was suffering from RA too and I can find similarities in several things. His hands, his moves sometimes, the eyes that are often slightly inflamed. And it's proved that people suffering from RA have a reduced risk for Alzheimer's. But I also agree that the pressure after Leonard Freemans death had to take it's toll.
Nadja
Berlin, - Friday, November 06, 2009 at 16:53:26 (PST)
Excellent article, KD. I would like to have a copy of it but can't find a way to print it.

Re: Jack's paleness, I've noticed it increasingly with each passing season. At first, I thought he must have been using different stage makeup. In the earlier seasons, he had rosey lips; in recent seasons, his lips have been quite pale.

If it's not an issue with makeup, then he must have had health problems. What they were, I cannot imagine. As Nadja said, he may well have had rheumatoid arthritis. Pictures of his hands, especially in later seasons, seem to indicate the deformity that comes with RA.

I believe it was Karen Rhodes, who wrote about some of Jack's health concerns. If I'm wrong about who wrote that, please let me know, but I think it was Karen. She wrote a scathing reply when people were saying Jack had Alzheimer's. She pointed out that the medication one takes for certain health problems can cause someone to display similar symptoms. Marie Lord, of course, vehemently denied claims that Jack had Alzheimer's.

In any case, during Season 7, Jack turned 54 years old. As I've said before, one definitely makes a break at the big 5-0 and, again, in the mid-50s. Then, Season 7 was the first without Leonard Freeman. Quite a lot of pressure was put on Jack to take the show forward. That is bound to have taken a toll. The fact that Season 7 was the first season without Leonard Freeman makes that season's shows more remarkable. If you look at other shows where an instrumental person died, they often suffer a lapse and even fail. Five-0 kept on keeping on.

"Presenting in the center ring...murder" was made after Al Harrington left the show, meaning it was filmed in the second half of the season. By then, Jack was probably feeling the strain. But, then, everyone probably was feeling the strain.

H50 1.0 Forever
My heart is in, HI - Friday, November 06, 2009 at 15:19:13 (PST)
That's really interesting indeed KD. I wonder where I could get that "M Station Hawaii" movie...
As for the paleness I'm still convinced that he had Rheumatoid Arthritis and many people with that develop anemia or a decrease in the production of red blood cells.

Nadja
Berlin, - Friday, November 06, 2009 at 14:37:44 (PST)
Interesting tidbit I found.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1314&dat=19790126&id=TgUSAAAAIBAJ&sjid=CO4DAAAAIBAJ&pg=4126,4396135

KD MCG
Book me, as new lead 5-0 - Friday, November 06, 2009 at 13:48:57 (PST)
Just saw "Presenting in the center ring...murder" Must say, in this particular episode, Mr. Lord looks paler than usual and if you watch the end, he looks older and tired. Appears, make up wasn't fully applied. We know,as James Macarthur once quipped: 'Jack was as pale as a ghost!"

What is evident from the DVD's is that it is his own hair.

KD McG
Hawaii, Five 2.1.2.1.2.2. - Friday, November 06, 2009 at 13:19:34 (PST)
In "Hit Gun For Sale" watch at the 27 minute mark when McGarrett's hubcap rolls off as he's turning the corner!
Steven
Miami, Fl USA - Friday, November 06, 2009 at 06:55:26 (PST)
Great find, Rick... (that Walther went for $28,800....Jesus!)
Big H
Raleigh, NC USA - Thursday, November 05, 2009 at 10:32:13 (PST)
Rick, those links are great. The condo sold on March 27, 2008, for about $800,000. I don't remember the exact amount, but it was quite a bit less than the original asking price. That was when the real-estate market was starting to decline.

The problem is the land lease, which now runs from about $3,500 a month on the standard 1,550-square-foot units to about $5,000 a month on the large units, like Jack and Marie's. It was much more reasonable until about 2005, when the landowner raised the rent what one realtor described as "astronomically." I can't tell you who owns the land. One source said it was Kamehameha Schools, while another said it was the Bishop Museum. Maybe one of our resident Hawaiians can tell us.

The result has been catastrophic. Long-time residents, many of whom were getting up in years, no longer could afford to live there. The homeowner's association took the landlord to court but lost. After all, the landowner reigns supreme, especially a landowner like either the Kamehameha Schools or the Bishop Museum.

Added to that is a $900+ monthly maintenance fee. Even though it includes all utilities, it's still a hefty sum. This is Kahala, after all, and Kahala is becoming increasingly exclusive as older houses are torn down and pretentious McMansions go up. Lots that once held one house with nice lawns are being divided to hold two houses with almost no lawns. Now, the frontage on Kahala Avenue, once open to the Waialae Golf Course, is being built up.

The name of the game is money, money, money and, of course, the ever powerful location, location, and location.

H50 1.0 Forever
My heart is in, HI - Thursday, November 05, 2009 at 09:16:51 (PST)
"Known Professionally As"
Rick
Newport Beach, CA USA - Thursday, November 05, 2009 at 08:59:04 (PST)
What does "KPA" stand for?
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC Canada - Thursday, November 05, 2009 at 08:38:35 (PST)
This too... http://www.juliensauctions.com/auctions/Summer-Sale-2007/lot-288.html
Rick
Newport Beach, CA USA - Thursday, November 05, 2009 at 08:01:35 (PST)
I had seen this some time ago... just ran across it again and thought it was interesting http://www.regents.com/listings/3509
Rick
Newport Beach, CA USA - Thursday, November 05, 2009 at 07:59:26 (PST)
Whoa, Steve of UK! You have unearthed a gold mine! Everyone, be sure to check out JackLord1920's website. It is just FULL of fantastic information, articles and interviews, and even pictures of Jack's contemporary art (done in Hawai'i). You'll fine a link to the site in the "Bored" video's information box. Well worth a taking a gander.
H50 1.0 Forever
My heart is in, HI - Wednesday, November 04, 2009 at 19:23:35 (PST)
As I have mentioned before, I find it ridiculous that amazon.com allows people to post reviews of DVDs which have not seen the light of day (and may never do so).

This person has done reviews of all seasons from 8 to 12. You can see these by going to the search line at amazon.com and typing

Hawaii Five 0: Season 12

and replacing the last number with 8, 9, 10 or 11.

While one can appreciate his enthusiasm for the show, you have to wonder what motivates someone to put reviews up like this, other than the desire to be the first person to do so.

Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC Canada - Wednesday, November 04, 2009 at 19:18:00 (PST)
Here's another interesting link for M Station Hawaii
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERRruCuj0Oc

Steve
UK - Wednesday, November 04, 2009 at 15:36:20 (PST)
Just found this interesting link on you tube for the 'lost' episode, 'bored she hung herself' - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcuTe0WwF4k - looks like a scene from the freely downloadable version on rapidshare. I wonder if this will appear remastered as an extra on one of the latter season DVD releases, we can only hope...!
Steve
UK - Wednesday, November 04, 2009 at 15:19:53 (PST)
H50, I did find the season twelve review you mention, you have to click on the See All My Reviews portion of this character's season eight review. Delving into his reviews reveals a somewhat unsettling individual, a Holocaust denier as well as a believer in a conspiracy of Freemasons. Makes you think season twelve can't be so bad after all if this guy is trashing it! What's that line of McGarrett's from Three Dead Cows at Makapu? "You people frighten me."
Chris
Columbus, OH USA - Wednesday, November 04, 2009 at 15:10:16 (PST)
I NEVER understand why people write reviews of DVDS before they're actually released! A review, IMO, should be balanced between the actual DVD release the show itself. For example, many of the early season 7 reviews on Amazon received many 'helpful votes' even though none of the reviewers had actually seen the DVD release - how is this helpful? Personally I want to know about the picture / sound quality and whether there has been any edits (in addition to a brief synopsis of the show from that period). This appears to be the review in question:
http://www.amazon.com/Hawaii-Five-0-Season-12/dp/B001JAHQGG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1257373557&sr=1-1
I've written reviews on there myself, but only after I've got the actual DVDs in my mits.

Steve
UK - Wednesday, November 04, 2009 at 14:32:07 (PST)
By the way, H50, I didn't see any listings for season twelve on Amazon, or for that matter any of the seasons post-season nine, so I wasn't able to find the negative reviews. I think it's kind of silly, anyway, that Amazon has listings for seasons of shows that haven't even been announced yet, and might not be released for years(Law & Order is an example of this...hope that's not the case with Five-O!).
Chris
Columbus, OH USA - Wednesday, November 04, 2009 at 13:35:47 (PST)
Another season seven standout is Diary of a Gun. Sure, it's a bit preachy...for cryin' out loud, everyone who gets his hands on that gun either loses control or dies. Talk about bludgeoning the audience over the head with the message! But I like to look at it from an alternative point of view...the gun itself, which is the main character of the show, possesses hypnotic, almost supernatural powers, inspiring violence in anyone who gets his hands on it. So you could look it as all guns turning people into killers, or just that particular gun. At any rate, in each case we see the seeds of violence in the perpetrator before possessing the titular weapon, so even if you do view the episode as a polemic it's at least a plausible one. I love how the individual crimes are pretty seedy, even small time, not necessarily the things Five-O would investigate on their own, but the common factor of the gun ties them together, making them part of a larger web of violence, not to mention larger than life. This episode represents great storytelling, with an appropriately over-the-top climax("Come and get me, cops!") and is one of my favorite episodes of the whole series. By the way, I was surprised by the one comment that season seven sees the show running out of ideas; I find it to be one of the most diverse seasons in terms of stories, and even the episodes that are to a certain extent retreads(The Hostage, A Gun for McGarrett, Ring of Life, Hit Gun for Sale) have a certain vitality about them that makes them eminently watchable, and in most cases excellent.
Chris
Columbus, OH USA - Wednesday, November 04, 2009 at 13:29:24 (PST)
Someone named Richard from Chesapeake, Virginia, is writing tough reviews of Five-0 on Amazon. His review of Season 12 is truly scathing. Now, I know Season 12 isn't our favorite and has serious problems, but if we want CBS to release all 12 seasons, we need to show serious interest in them. I posted a more upbeat version of my Season 12 review and posted it. If any of you can give a good plug to offset Richard's fault finding, it might help us all if you were to say something. If you think my request is out of line, that's fine, too. Richard is entitled his opinions, after all, but we want all 12 seasons to be remastered, closed-captioned, and released on DVD. Thanks, Virginia
H50 1.0 Forever
My heart is in, HI - Wednesday, November 04, 2009 at 11:53:46 (PST)
It says right on the bottom of the first page of that site: If you have any comments, suggestions or corrections, be a good net.citizen, bruddah, and send us email at olorin@world.std.com

Did you try this?

(I have no idea if this works myself.)

Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC Canada - Wednesday, November 04, 2009 at 11:47:34 (PST)
I can navigate to the site, my question was why that site hasn't allowed comments since 2003. It was a good concept to allow fan comments in that organized fashion. Too bad the DVD releases didn't inspire the siteowners to bring things back.
Steven
Miami, Fl USA - Wednesday, November 04, 2009 at 11:17:02 (PST)
Mark and Julie's page (which has been around for a very long time) went away for a while, and then returned. There is a link to it on the main Five-O page (http://www.mjq.net/fiveo) as well as in the Five-O Frequently Asked Questions (http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/fiveofaq.htm). Sometimes I get the impression that most people around here hardly ever venture to the main site...
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC Canada - Wednesday, November 04, 2009 at 10:16:24 (PST)
Steven - is this the link you mean http://www.ministryofpeace.com/h5o/
Steve
UK - Wednesday, November 04, 2009 at 09:47:28 (PST)
Whatever happened to the "Mark and Julie" Five-O site? It's been down since 2003. I liked reading the comments on the episodes. There's a statement saying that they were going to update their system, but that has not happened.
Steven
Miami, Fl USA - Wednesday, November 04, 2009 at 09:22:07 (PST)
I like season 7, but for me the stories don't seem as well written as previous years - there are some good episodes, but not outstanding ones (in my opinion). I also think these episodes look more dated than those from the 1st six years. Personally I really wish that after season 6, they'd quit making the show as a series and opted instead to make a number of one off tv specials - after all, back in '74 Jack Lord can be quoted as saying that finding new stories was becoming increasingly difficult. Whats the expression - "leave 'em wanting more..."
Steve
UK - Wednesday, November 04, 2009 at 04:44:10 (PST)
"I laughed when the 5-0 team determines that the photo of the football team (the Utica Grizzlies) was taken 15 years ago. In 1959?? Then why the 1970s hairstyles on the players & the '70s era helmets?"

That's just Five-O being "ahead of its time" again.

However, I agree that "The Computer Killer" is easily the best episode of season seven, but it comes nowhere near the brilliance of the sixth season's offerings like "Hookman", "Nightmare in Blue", and "Death With Father." IMO the sixth season has it beat, hands down.

Steven
Miami, Fl USA - Wednesday, November 04, 2009 at 04:32:46 (PST)
When watching "The Two-Faced Corpse" I laughed when the 5-0 team determines that the photo of the football team (the Utica Grizzlies) was taken 15 years ago. In 1959?? Then why the 1970s hairstyles on the players & the '70s era helmets? And this after McGarrett had recommended getting sporting goods dealers to date the photo by the type of equipment seen in it.
Mayte
New York, NY - Tuesday, November 03, 2009 at 21:07:54 (PST)
Bravo, Chris! Spot on!
H50 1.0 Forever
My heart is in, HI - Tuesday, November 03, 2009 at 18:06:55 (PST)
I've already come out in praise of season seven, but since some negative comments have been posted I'll reiterate what I said before. Season seven is a classic season, in no way does it represent the onset of the show's decline. I found it, on the whole, nearly as edgy as season six, an example of this is Computer Killer, one of the more chilling episodes of the entire series, with a truly frightening villain(and I'm not just talking about his hair), a man who has spent his whole life amongst machines and is incapable of humanity...well, there is that slight, short-lived look of regret after he murders the woman, but really. Like season five's The Listener, this episode again shows Five-O being ahead of its time in telling stories about the potential horrors of modern technology(a common theme of Stanley Kubrick). The term hacker probably didn't even exist back then, but here is a show about a villainous hacker that is perhaps even more disturbing now than it was then, now that we've sacrificed virtually all of our privacy to the computer age.
Chris
Columbus, OH USA - Tuesday, November 03, 2009 at 18:01:59 (PST)
H50 1.0 Forever, apologies, I got your membername slightly wrong.
WaveCrest
United Kingdom - Tuesday, November 03, 2009 at 13:46:28 (PST)
Mike - That never crossed my mind when I asked that question yesterday. Thanks for answering my query.

H50 Forever - What is your website address? I'd like to have a look at your Hawaii Five-O website.

As I first heard about it from here I thought I'd ask first before I post a link to it on the HTF.....can I post the link to the YouTube video of the Jack Lord episodic promos for Season 9's "Assault on the Palace" and the Season 10 premiere "Up the Rebels" please?

WaveCrest
United Kingdom - Tuesday, November 03, 2009 at 13:45:06 (PST)
KD, I think you hit the nail on the head re: the problem that has been plaguing us when you wrote, "He can be a McG-like character; he doesn't have to be McG." That says it all. I would enjoy seeing a McG-like character, but, for me, McG is Jack Lord's character and no one else's. Actually, he needs to be a McG-like character, at least as far as his qualities and principles are concerned. He needs to be tough enough to stand up to such criminals as Wo Fat (who probably shouldn't be brought back, either, but not to worry; there are plenty of other criminal fish in the sea). He needs to be compassionate enough to console Mrs. Cunningham when her husband uses her to further his gun-running business. He needs to be honest enough to refuse to make deals, rush to hasty conclusions for the sake of closing a case file, etc.

Mike, I have no idea who came up with "2.1". As for me, it just seemed a convenient way to keep the versions straight when writing about them. Ed Bernero, of course, called his plan 2.0, which is how I got started on this kick or schtick or...

So, there are two more of my cents, for whatever they're worth. LOL

H50 1.0 Lover
My heart is in, HI - Tuesday, November 03, 2009 at 12:09:43 (PST)
Virginia. To answer many of the questions asked. Ray Liotta could be a MCG type lead-doesn't have to be McG.

Pierce Brosnan has the Bond hangover, but if you observe, his acting is very similar, also the Irish background and he lives in Hawaii as well.

And, keep up the good work on the site. It is by far truly amazing in content and look.

PS: Watching Season 7-sorry "two faced corpse" confused me; is it just me-most likely hahaha!

KD MCG
questions, questions answers! - Tuesday, November 03, 2009 at 11:32:21 (PST)
Who came up with this Hawaii Five-O 2.0/2.1 nomenclature, anyway? What is the "number" of the failed 1997 pilot then? [Actually, it was Ed Bernero, a long time ago ... this shows what he thought of the 1997 show. ":-)] -- MQ
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC Canada - Tuesday, November 03, 2009 at 11:06:03 (PST)
I had an e-mail message from Barbara of Philadelphia. She brought up some interesting thoughts, which I think should be shared here. She has given me her permission to reprint her message to me. I have added my reply to her. Both, of course, are excerpted for relevancy.

Barbara wrote:

[Re:] "I doubt whether anyone expected Steve McGarrett to become an icon, yet he did. People wish they knew more about him, his personal side."

Dear Virginia,

I lifted the quote above from your web site...As soon as I read that I immediately thought of black raspberry jam.

I love it, and it is my absolute favorite, although it can be a bit strong to the taste. However, one day years ago I was watching Season 8's "Sing A Song Of Suspense." It's been years since I've seen it, so my memory is a bit fuzzy. Either Steve was fixing breakfast or talking about what he likes for breakfast. Either way, he mentioned -- you guessed it -- he preferred his black raspberry jam!

To this day I can never open a jar without savoring not only the taste, but also that rare glimpse into the personal side of our favorite cop, Steve McGarrett!

One more thought: what I liked so much about him was that right was right and wrong was wrong. There was no if, and, or but about it. That is a lesson which is almost impossible, in my opinion, to teach to the youth of today. That is one big reason why I'm not sure "Hawaii Five-O" would go over well with the coveted younger demographic, at least not if the new H50 stays true to the original's moral compass.

Yours,
Barbara (the Pittsburgh one!)

My reply:

Hi, Barbara!

Black raspberry jam! That truly is one of those warm and fuzzy coincidences, isn't it? Steve became much more human that day, just as Chin Ho became much more human when he was shown going home to his family and Danno when he lost his girlfriend to a strangler.

As for "right and wrong," I think that's all the more reason why they need to remain true to the original. Five-0 began at the height of the hippie era and was at its height during Watergate and Vietnam, when America was losing its moral compass. Yet, Steve steadfastly declared, "No chance!" and "No deals!" I think there is a swing back to that viewpoint in the modern-day police slogan, "Commit the crime, do the time." Society is sick and tired of criminals getting off on technicalities; so, this just may be the time to bring back the tough cop.

H50 1.0 Forever
My heart is in, HI - Tuesday, November 03, 2009 at 09:26:07 (PST)
WaveCrest, the reason there are less items on the Guestbook is because around the first of every month, the entries from the previous months are archived. You can read these archived entries by clicking on the appropriate link at the top of the page. Last month's contributions were the second highest (in terms of file size) since February 2009, which was the largest yet.
Mr. Mike
Vancouver, BC Canada - Tuesday, November 03, 2009 at 06:50:27 (PST)
I watched "Ring of Life" twice just to see if I was catching the whole plot. So Bushan and the doctor were in on the theft, but it seems unlikely that they would know that Don Knight's character would have the other four pieces. And did Coleman know that his fifth figurine was a fake? Ah, well...

Fine score by George Romanis in this.

I think the seventh season is the first sign that Five-O is in decline. The episodes I like this time around are more for their scores and "kitsch" value than for any dramatic power, as in years past.

Steven
Miami, Fl USA - Tuesday, November 03, 2009 at 06:09:15 (PST)
Mike, just a suggestion: Since we're inviting people to come here for information on 2.0/2.1, maybe you should put up a note (where???) directing them to the discussions we had here about it/them??? Being unfamiliar with the site, they might have trouble finding the discussions. Just a thought.
H50 1.0 Forever
My heart is in, HI - Monday, November 02, 2009 at 18:12:41 (PST)
Thank you, Barbara. Wow! That's high praise! I'll certainly do my best to keep the site refreshed and interesting. Please stop by whenever you can.

I, too, like "Branch Office." Admittedly, it stretches credibility, but so does "Over Fifty? Steal", and it's a classic! Like you said, Barbara, sometimes we need some light-hearted relief from the very serious episodes. I'm glad they gave us that relief - on rare occasions, of course.

H50 1.0 Forever
My heart is in, HI - Monday, November 02, 2009 at 18:06:11 (PST)
Thank you, Barbara. Wow! That's high praise! I'll certainly do my best to keep the site refreshed and interesting. Please stop by whenever you can.
H50 1.0 Forever
My heart is in, HI - Monday, November 02, 2009 at 18:02:58 (PST)
For the record, I've always liked "Welcome To My Branch Office." Sometimes I'm in the mood for more light-hearted fare. Yet, I always wince whenever I see Danno playing his own double. That does stretch credibility a bit. Well, it stretches it even more than it's already been stretched in that episode!
Barbara
Pittsburgh, PA USA - Monday, November 02, 2009 at 16:20:05 (PST)
Dear H50 Forever, I just wanted to add to the kudos about your web site. I have visited it several times and plan to lots more. There is much to see and learn there. Thanks to you I now know the name of the mosaic McGarrett seemingly made a point of walking across! It's obviously a heartfelt effort on your part. I also liked the view of the Iolani Palace. That is an angle I've never before seen. Your efforts are appreciated!
Barbara
Pittsburgh, PA USA - Monday, November 02, 2009 at 16:14:41 (PST)
I very much like the suggestion of Ray Liotta in the new Hawaii Five-O. I can picture him as a McGarrett-like character.

P.S.: Has the guestbook been cleaned out? There aren't many posts on the guestbook page.

WaveCrest
United Kingdom - Monday, November 02, 2009 at 15:08:36 (PST)
Nadja, there's something very peaceful about Kahala Beach. I'm not sure what it is, unless it is that we know who walked there. I know what you mean about wanting to go back. Each time, I wonder why I'm leaving.
H50 1.0 Forever (Five-0 Lover)
My heart is in, HI - Monday, November 02, 2009 at 14:13:37 (PST)
Hey KD, I was sitting at Kahala Beach near Jack's condo but nobody was there to speak to. At least not about H5O ;-)
Now I'm back home and miss everything already... Sorting pics and watching season 7 until I have the chance to go again.

Nadja
Berlin, - Monday, November 02, 2009 at 12:55:39 (PST)
Stop by whenever you can, Chris. As you've probably read here, KDMcG suggested that I give links to interviews with Five-0 team members. I've posted one but will be digging to see what other, hopefully more Five-0 related, interviews and feature articles I can find. It will be great fun to see how that page develops.
H50 1.0 Forever
My heart is in, HI - Sunday, November 01, 2009 at 20:09:30 (PST)
Thanks, H50. Only had time for a cursory exploration but it looks to be quite interesting, very thorough and well thought out. I'll delve in more later on. A good companion to this site, which is also excellent. Interesting comments on season twelve. I'm not familiar with those episodes, from what I'd read I just assumed they were poor, more Walker Texas Ranger than Five-O, now I'm curious to see them. It appears I only have two to three more years to wait.
Chris
Columbus, OH USA - Sunday, November 01, 2009 at 18:39:52 (PST)
Chris, check www.memoriesofhawaiifive-0.com. Be sure to include "hawaii." I hope you enjoy it.
H50 1.0 Forever
My heart is in, HI - Sunday, November 01, 2009 at 17:56:21 (PST)
Where is this Memories website? I tried searching on yahoo with the keywords "memories of five-o" and couldn't find it.
Chris
Columbus, OH USA - Sunday, November 01, 2009 at 15:39:52 (PST)
Hi, KD. Thank you for the wonderful compliment on my Memories website (www.memoriesofhawaiifive-0.com). It's a beginning. That's a great idea about finding interviews with Five-0 stars. I'll be working on that. Thanks for the tip!

Re: the link you posted to Ray Liotta's picture - Man! He could be a younger McGarrett without half trying. Are you suggesting him to play Chris or a McGarrett-like chief? Just between (or, should I say, among) us (LOL), I doubt whether Chris McGarrett is still a viable option for chief. If he were, Ed Bernero probably would be making the pilot. But that's just my guess.

I'd rather not see Pierce Brosnan get the role. He's already been James Bond, after all. A character like Brosnan's Bond would work, though. He played it very well!

H50 1.0 Forever
My heart is in, HI - Sunday, November 01, 2009 at 11:27:17 (PST)
I guess I'm in the minority here... I've always liked "Hawaiian Nightmare" (except the ending) beautiful scenery and the interaction between North's character and the "bill collector" ...Ray Liotta's great but I don't think he fits the role and I doubt he would be interested. Pierce Bronson... well, that's one of those names (among others) that come up when I think they should spare us the pain and just pass on the whole idea.
Rick
Newport Beach, CA USA - Sunday, November 01, 2009 at 11:20:32 (PST)
http://cm1.theinsider.com/media/0/4/92/riotta_191.0.0.0x0.425x496.jpeg

McGarrett

or Pierce Brosnan

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seasoned veterans.

KD
Hmm, intense actor! - Sunday, November 01, 2009 at 10:39:28 (PST)
Ray Liotta if it is a remake. Sorry, needs an award winning actor that can act..of course, nobody can replace McG.

Othwerise, we are going to get Chris Pine or Josh Duhamel (yay for the height!)

Hi Nadja (belated) recruited into Five-O yet? Speak to any fo Jack's neighbors?

KD McG
pick, me for five-o - Sunday, November 01, 2009 at 10:35:59 (PST)
Thank you MJQ Five-O ohana; Oh, and Virginia, thanks for mentioning the petition on Memories of Five-o. You have such a wonderful website. What may add even greater value is some interviews of former Five-O start. But, all the same, thanks again
KD McG
Hawaii, pick me as McG - Sunday, November 01, 2009 at 10:20:26 (PST)
Good work, KD. Just be sure to give them enough detail to know where you're coming from as well as what you're requesting. Go for it!
H50 1.0 Forever
My heart is in, HI - Sunday, November 01, 2009 at 09:07:05 (PST)
Okay, have found Peter Lenkov's contact address and will be somewhat courageously sending him our thoughts; pretty much an expanded version of the petitiospot blurb i wrote. Also, looking for Orci and Kurtzman.

Will be making him/them aware of this forum. At the very least they will visit out of curiosity.

KD

KD McG
Hawaii, Five no! - Sunday, November 01, 2009 at 08:41:14 (PST)
Just saw "A Hawaiian Nightmare" - pretty lightweight and some dumb things at the end. The guest star is James Olson who plays the annoying villain on several episodes, including "Labyrinth" in season 12. Speaking of Labyrinth, I always thought it was the best show of that season with the exception of the season premiere. Although its plot was a little far-fetched, it had numerous, clever plot twists and was generally good. Mr. Mike, you gave Labyrinth 1.5 stars, and Hawaiian Nightmare 2.5, yet I think Labyrinth is much stronger or at least equal. Yes I know anything with season 12 is guilt by association and usually gets less stars, but can you re-visit these two episodes?
Steve D
Fairfax, VA US - Sunday, November 01, 2009 at 08:39:02 (PST)
The series should not be a remake with new new actors Steve McGarrett and Dan Williams. I'm Thiking a Star Treik the The Next Generation type tape o Five. John Manicote (Glenn Cannon) could still be the DA (Robert Morgenthau has been the Manhattan DA for allmost 35 years after all) Dan-0 and Ben could show up from time to time. Surviving Guest Stars that McGarrett put away on the original series can reurn for revenge after having done their time. AS for the leader of Five-0 bainstorming i came up with some good ideas Dennis Haysbert i think would be a very good choice. Eric Close from the canceled "Without A Trace" might be an itresing choice. If ABC canceles The "Forgotten" Christian Slater might be an inresting choice too.
Dan
South Brunswick, NJ USA - Sunday, November 01, 2009 at 00:02:00 (PDT)

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