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Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Jack, I would really like to know what you mean by "the feel of the show" and why I cannot "understand anything that's happening."

I really think you should read a bit beyond the first few reviews of the first season shows. There are some shows over the last five years which I thought were not bad, some which were good, and some which were very good -- some of them even got four stars out of four.

Added: Sunday 31 May 2015 20:54:45 MST


Submitted by: Jack
From: Seattle

I found your site and thought the first couple reviews (of the new show) were helpful. But it seems from literally everything you say that you actually hate the show. Your comments are almost always negative, demeaning every conceivable aspect of the production at various times. Like you say on your Posting Tips page, it's a TV show, not Shakespeare. And yet you seem completely unwilling to accept the feel of the show, and at times seem to be trying your best NOT to understand anything that's happening.

All that to say (intended as a criticism but not an insult), WHY do you watch it? You clearly don't get any enjoyment out of it. Why not just watch something you like?

Added: Sunday 31 May 2015 19:34:09 MST


Submitted by: Joekido
From: Colorado Springs

What kind of an parent would name their son "Spider"? Unless that's a nickname? And how did he get to the top of the elevator if he's in the garage? Unless of course if the other elevator can go fast as this one

Added: Sunday 31 May 2015 19:14:58 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

John,

Spider Brown entered the elevator, took the gun, and killed Sullivan with the needle, not Tosaki. Tosaki's job was just to get Sullivan to that garage so he could come out of the elevator and shoot Steve.

One thing that no one considered: what if there were other people in the parking garage at that time to witness the shooting? Vashon could not prevent that. They were also trying to locate the people's whose cars were parked in that parking lot, but it was hard to do. I remember how anguished Steve sounded in that scene. Jack really channeled those emotions well.

Added: Sunday 31 May 2015 18:22:22 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Watched Right Grave, Wrong Body again last evening Season 8. Probably the best of Cioffi's appearances as Dean Lyman. Suppose Lyman didn't commit suicide by gun at the end. What would he have been charged with? In Lyman's version, the criminal opened up on him first. He returned fire and killed the robber who had the $250,000. Seems the shooting could be justifiable. I guess concealing a body and the theft of the money would be charges. His cop days would be over. Curious what people thought of Lyman's situation. Also in the Vashon threads, I don't understand Spider Brown's involvement. Tosaki was the one who entered the elevator, stole the gun, and killed Sullivan with the needle to his brain I thought. HFO was a fantastic show even 40+ years later. JOHN

Added: Sunday 31 May 2015 16:04:52 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Rainbow & Vrinda

Watched the 3 Vashon Trilogy again during the evening. All excellent shows. The Hawaii Five O top of game. Some things I wrote down. Harvey Masterson Drew was Honore's attorney at his trial. Never paid attention to that before. The Dylan hit man should have rented a room near McGarrett's haircut place or where he jogs. An easy discovery for HFO team. His room right across the way. The frame on McGarrett was a strong one. Poor Sullivan! The Vashons really had him over a barrel. I thought the undercover cop was quite attractive and was excellent distraction to switch the dummy. Powerful scene when Heyward admits Honore Vashon hired him to kill McGarrett. Outstanding scene with Reasbeck and Harvey Drew in HFO office. McGarrett was right that Drew didn't hesitate to burn McGarrett in court. Always shocking when old Nick shoots himself in the head as McGarrett and HFO team close in on the Patriarch. 6 stars all 3 Vashon episodes. John

Added: Friday 29 May 2015 16:26:14 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Ringfire:

Yes, I agree that Philly can get really muggy in the summer as do all the East Coast cities. Philly, NYC, Boston all get pretty brutal during the summer, as does Washington D.C. although I always consider D.C. more of a "southern" city. Philly is interesting in that it has all of this great history and culture but very urban and like those two other cities I mentioned, their buildings were made to keep the heat in for warmth during the winter, and not made to be cool in the summer and as a result in a urban setting like Philly those summers are tough. NYC and Boston the same which is why everybody vacates NYC for most of the summer.

Those James Bond movies you mentioned are just like the old Five-O in that they are must see viewing in the summer! I loved James Bond Island when I looked it up!

I love the scenes on the water in the old Five-O because it cools me right down in the middle of July when it's 95 degrees and no relief in sight!

Added: Friday 29 May 2015 07:27:57 MST


Submitted by: 38. Special
From: Kentucky

So recently I have been introduced to Hawaii Five-O and am really getting a kick out of the show. I’m also writing a fanfiction for it and would like some info so that I don’t make any canon errors.
I’ve been wondering, McGarrett said that he was in the navy at one point in his life; this is also hinted from his connections at the military bases on the island. My question was when was he in the military? That is, if that was ever revealed in the show. If it was not revealed, could someone give me an estimate on the time he might’ve been in the navy?
I f anyone can answer that; I’d be a happy girl. Thanks.
P.S
I absolutely love this site! It’s so informed and so many *gasp* links. It’s like all the information there could possibly be on the original show is…here. Thank you so much for taking the time to do this Mike!

Added: Friday 29 May 2015 05:12:50 MST


Submitted by: SI Mitchell
From: Albuquerque

Generally, the show is excellent and I enjoy it very much. Doesn't take too much suspension of reality. Only unfavorable comments I have are McGarrett calling the USS Enterprise and the USS Missouri (battleship) "boats". You would think he would know they are "ships". Secondly, the Lieutenant Jack character is shown in a "crackerjack" uniform, making him eisted, not an officer. Again, an easy one.
SIM, LCDR USN Ret.

Added: Thursday 28 May 2015 14:37:07 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Couldn't agree with you more, Rainbow. Classic Five-O is prime summer entertainment. It gets really muggy here in Philly and Five-O is just perfect for this weather! Makes you feel like you're on the islands, even though I never experienced this level of humidity over there. There it stays in the low 80s almost all year round.

I also have my "summer Bond movies" that I just love to watch during the hot summer evenings. The 3 main ones that come to mind are DR. NO, THUNDERBALL, and LIVE AND LET DIE. Jamaica and Bahamas during the summer? You bet!! I've already been to the Bahamas. Jamaica is on my list. I also long to visit the lush and breathtaking James Bond island (in Phuket, Thailand) some day. It's my laptop screen background. You can just google "james bond island" to see for yourself.

Added: Thursday 28 May 2015 11:45:37 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

This may amuse all on the board, but I have no doubt that Big Chicken will love this comment.

The best way to watch the old Five-O on DVD is during the summer which is what I basically did this past weekend. It was a hot humid night, and I had my windows open with that hot, muggy summer air with the faintest hint of a breeze pouring in. It made me feel like I was in Hawaii and for some reason it made me enjoy the show even more. That summer air and watching the adventures on the island back in the 1970's made the show come alive because I could feel that climate that Mcg and the gang traversed for 12 years. It's a better show to enjoy in the summer. Nice way to finish up the Vashon trilogy with Part Three.

Added: Thursday 28 May 2015 10:05:22 MST


Submitted by: honu59
From: New York

"Five-O composer Bruce Broughton interviewed:"

A very nice interview - thanks for sharing the link. Can you imagine Hawaii Five-O without the background music? These composers added so much to the final product. It's good to give them the recognition they so richly deserve.

Added: Wednesday 27 May 2015 09:30:38 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Vrinda,

Thanks for all that background and insight. I don't want to get this debate started again on this board, because everybody has their favorites, but there was something about the two Al Harrington years of 1972-1974 that I always felt were the two best years of the show. There was a look, feel, and smell of the show during those years that just was brilliant all around.

Added: Wednesday 27 May 2015 08:45:31 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Five-O composer Bruce Broughton interviewed:

http://www.finalnotemagazine.com/from-silverado-to-34th-street-bruce-broughton/

Added: Wednesday 27 May 2015 08:14:02 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Rainbow,

V for Vashon: The Patriarch is one of the best episodes of the series. It pains me to watch it, though, because I can't stand to see Steve being framed, though we know the truth will come out.

I hated how Tosaki's wise guy cousin exacerbated matters by yelling, "Neatest trick of the week - shooting an unarmed man," and Sullivan's nasty wife.

Jack had a sore throat when he filmed the courtroom scene. They sprayed something down his throat to clear it before each take. That shows what dedication Jack had.

I got to interview Al Harrington recently, and I asked him why Jack wore that white leisure suit with the blue and pink shirt and pink ascot. Al said he doesn't know why, but since Jack was an experienced actor, there were certain things he knew could do without question.

Jack and Luther Adler were also friends, as was Jack and Harold Gould. Al spoke very warmly about them and Robert Drivas. He said they were brilliant and could converse on anything.

Added: Tuesday 26 May 2015 16:20:43 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I didn't usually watch these episodic promos (what a dumb name for them!) when I reviewed the shows from the DVDs, though I probably should have. Those that I did watch often had alternate takes of scenes in the shows, sometimes containing material which was not in the shows at all...

Added: Tuesday 26 May 2015 10:03:28 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

Mr. Mike: Good job on adding the link. You can clearly hear the difference in the two clips. Seems weird that the promo and the episode are different.

Added: Tuesday 26 May 2015 09:51:03 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

I watched V For Vashon: The Patriach ( Part three) over the weekend, and I was amazed at the wild outfits that McGarrett wore while he was running around in this show. I think this was one of the few times in the first five seasons that we saw him in something else other than a blue, brown, or gray suit. I mean the white sun hat and all white vacation suit, I mean just wow, He looked hot as heck in that get up.

Then when he and Drew are walking out of the conference at the hotel and into the setup by Vashon that will frame Steve he is wearing this wild floral tie with a green/brown suit, that was just crazy.

My favorite part of the show though was the amazing conversation between Steve and Manicotte in the DA's office when he tells him to bring the indictment on him because any hint of a whitewash would go against every thing he stood for as a cop, and that the truth will always will out. That was why I loved McGarrett because of those strong morals and values that he had, and I think in a time when the nation was losing its faith in leaders and values because of Vietnam and Watergate, McG was someone that people could watch and admire. I know that I saw much of myself in him when I watched this show, and was just blown away by how far people have fallen since then. That is one amazing scene that really lets you know what McGarrett was all about, and he didn't need car-arguments, and touchy feely moments to let the audience know who he was. Terrific show.

I showed someone over the weekend Part two of the Vashon trilogy for the first time, and he was amazed at how good the show was after all these years.

Added: Tuesday 26 May 2015 09:49:22 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Fred, I have incorporated this clip from the episodic promo on the page in question and have asked JB for comment...

http://mjq.net/fiveo/jimmyborges/BranchOffice/

Added: Tuesday 26 May 2015 09:33:40 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

John: I agree with you to some extent. In my opinion, Season 6 is the pinnacle of the series. Every season after that slips until it nose dives from Season 10 on. Naturally, there are some episodes that are the exception to the total. Season 9 is not too bad and I agree that "Assault on the Palace", "A Killer Grows Wings" and "The Oldest Profession" are very good episodes.

Added: Tuesday 26 May 2015 09:22:54 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth

Topic: Voice Dubbing

We've discussed the confirmed dubbing of Jimmy Borges playing a newspaper reporter in Season 7 "Welcome to Our Branch Office". While watching the promo for the episode, that Borges scene is shown, but it is not dubbed. There does seem to be a bit of mumbling in the partial scene.

On the same topic, in Season 6 "Death with Father", when they show the apartment fight between Peter Strauss and Luella Costello (about 15 or 20 minutes into the episode), I'm hearing the voice of E. Lynne Kimoto. Kimoto was in Season 6 "Flash of Color, Flash of Death" and she later is the front office person for Five-O when they have to vacate the Iolani Palace in I believe Season 9. If anyone watches "Death With Father", please listen to it and see if you agree.

Added: Monday 25 May 2015 17:39:32 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

I watched A Stranger In His Grave and A Killer Grows Wings. Think they deserve higher rankings and discussion. Mr. Mike right on some of his favorites. Moved Nine Dragons to #4 on my all time Classic HFO. Hookman remains #2 behind FOB Honolulu. Season 9 is underrated with several of my FAVS: Nine Dragons, Assault On The Palace, Oldest Profession etc. I'm partial to Assault since I'm a Clu Gallagher fan and enjoyed the Wilcox rebellion story. Agree with Mr. Mike that the ending was kind of a letdown though. A better ending would have been Lambert trying to get to the money at a secret location and McG stands over him stealth mode like Over Fifty Steal. I read some different posts over the years about him killing Kalani. Could he have shot him and made it look like a robbery? Or a car jacking gone bad or something. Trail leads right back to the curator. Watched Death In The Family a few times this winter. I like it more with every watch. Rego played excellent criminal type. Glad to see NEW Hawaii 5-0 was renewed for Season 6. Said a few years ago it would go 8 years. John

Added: Monday 25 May 2015 17:23:33 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philly-delphia

Actually "School for Assassins" is a 12th season episode and aired on January 1, 1980. DALLAS premiered in the spring of 1978 which was during FIVE-О's 10th season. By 1980 DALLAS was a hit. It was ranked #5 in the ratings that season. The next season (1980-1981) it would finish #1.

Anyway I never did make a connection between that episode and DALLAS (probably because I never watched the show) but you make an interesting point.

BTW from what I remember I recall it being one of the better episodes of the season. Probably because of the assassination angle. Those are always fun to watch. Plus it has the always babely Pamela Susan Shoop!!

Added: Friday 22 May 2015 11:05:38 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

>>>Today is Richard Hatch's >70th< birthday!!<<< ...THAT is enough to make me step back and think ...wow. I saw Loretta Swit on a metv promo. Yikes!

Added: Thursday 21 May 2015 21:03:16 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Love the Classic Hawaii Five O and New Five O grades. My 2 cents...I say Classic Hawaii Five O I would say best would be 3,6,1,2,9,4,5,8,7,11,10,12. Three was outstanding Trouble In Mind, Beautiful Screamer to name a few. Season 6 had a strong start with
Hookman and Draw Me A Killer. Loved Why Wait Until Uncle Kevin Dies? Season 1 started it all. King Of The Hill and Full Fathom Five FAVS. Then it gets tougher. When Does A War End? Killed Season 10 and 12 was last season. Curious what other Classic HFO think. John

Added: Thursday 21 May 2015 17:44:41 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

The point of "School for Assassins" was to put in a plug for CBS's new show, "Dallas," which had premiered as a mid-season replacement in April 1978 and was trying to make it on its own in the fall of 1978, when "School for Assassins" aired. Clues: Major, multi-generational oil company and a Mercedes-Benz 450 SEL. Just John J. Ellington, III was much nicer than J. R. Ewing. In this show, the witch drove the 450. Bobby was cuter.

Added: Thursday 21 May 2015 15:59:16 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

You're welcome Titan4.

Added: Thursday 21 May 2015 14:38:46 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Today is Richard Hatch's >70th< birthday!!

Added: Thursday 21 May 2015 08:51:22 MST


Submitted by: Titan4
From: Florida

Thank you H50 1.0 FOREVER. You are correct about the barometer. I did an image search on "old barometer" and found some images of antique mercury barometers that look almost identical to the one(s) used in McGarrett's office.

Added: Wednesday 20 May 2015 19:10:54 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

This poll only works today, May 20th. You know what to do:

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/03/16/tv-theme-songs-bracket

Added: Wednesday 20 May 2015 18:28:29 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Ringfire, School for Assassins gets 1/2 star from me, that should be a clue. Of the three scores that Drasnin did, this is the only one where I said nothing about it. I don't know the significance of this and am not about to watch it again to see what I really think about his score.

Added: Wednesday 20 May 2015 00:21:16 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Mr. Mike, when you call "School for Assassins" one of the very worst are you referring to the episode or Drasnin's score?

I do recall seeing Drasnin's name on a few episodes of M:I that I watched. I haven't listened to his Five-0 scores yet. I'm going through season 11 at the moment.

Added: Tuesday 19 May 2015 14:26:34 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Composer Robert Drasnin has passed away. He scored 3 episodes of the original series -- Labyrinth, School For Assassins (one of the very worst) and The Flight of the Jewels. But he was more successful with other shows as this article will reveal:

http://www.filmmusicsociety.org/news_events/features/2015/051815.html

Added: Monday 18 May 2015 21:00:01 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

Mr. Mike,

On Catherine, at least a couple of Five-O characters seemed down on Catherine for leaving poor McGarrett and was wondering how he'd handle her return.

On Kono getting ready, her hair was already done, which can be done early. We differ on that, but your point of her having no prep time to be ready is still correct.

And on the bomb, it may have been lighter than I think and I agree that Danno was haphazardly discarding it, but I guess that would make sense when you're trying to drop a nuke from a fast moving helicopter. The whole idea was ridiculous. Too ridiculous to be entertaining.

Added: Monday 18 May 2015 16:50:44 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Fred, dames I have spoken to about wedding ceremonies after I saw this episode told me that it takes HOURS to prepare for the "big day," which would include the dress, flowers, makeup, hair, other members of the wedding party, etc., etc.

As far as your other questions are concerned, I didn't get the impression that the other members of Five-0, etc. weren't "down" on poor Catherine. I think the fans are much more down on her!

McGarrett and Danno were seen carrying the nuke to the helicopter, so I don't think it is >that< heavy. Didn't Danno just sort of kick it out of the copter?

Added: Monday 18 May 2015 16:28:42 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

One other comment on the last episode.

So, after this nuclear bomb explodes 50 or so miles off shore, McGarrett and the Five-O team happily move along to Kono's wedding as if taking care of an exploding nuke happens to them every day!

By the way Mr. Mike, Kono's hair was already dolled up earlier, as you can see when they're back at headquarters and at Kamekona's heliport. How it stays that way until getting to the country club is beyond me.

Added: Monday 18 May 2015 15:32:13 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

Of the last of the two latest episodes, the one with the nuke, I have a couple of comments/queries.

First, why are all the Five-O characters so down on Catherine? Didn't she leave McGarrett behind for a noble purpose? And wasn't it logical she would return once her mission was complete in Afghanistan?

Second, when the nuke is dropped from Kamekona's helicopter, did we see 5'5" (probably on his tippy toes) Scott Caan hold the bomb with one hand before dropping it from the copter? How much does a WMD nuke weigh? I would have thought it would weigh too much for that.

Added: Monday 18 May 2015 12:57:04 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

Re: Titan4's Question: "On the wall near McGarrett’s desk there is an object that sort of looks like one of those wall-mounted barometer/thermometer things that were popular a few decades ago."

Titan, everything I've read about it calls it a barometer. As you said, the style was popular at about the time H50 started filming. It is interesting to note that (1) the style of the barometer is different in the pilot than in the series episodes (Seasons 1-11), and (2) It is missing from behind the desk in Season 12, although, in at least one episode, it appears beside the door to McGarrett's office, between the bookcase and the door. Very odd place for it, I thought.

Added: Sunday 17 May 2015 12:33:09 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Interesting New York Times article:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/05/15/magazine/the-pipe-dream-of-a-perfect-television-finale.html?_r=0

Added: Sunday 17 May 2015 08:58:49 MST


Submitted by: Titan4
From: Florida

My wife and I make frequent visits to Hawaii and have recently started buying seasons of the original Hawaii Five 0. We end up pausing at the most mundane scenes like street signs so that we can then go to Google Earth street view and see if we can find where the scenes were shot. We have had a lot of success doing that. I wonder how many people realize (or even care) that their homes were included in the show). One minor mystery continues to evade my though, so I am hopeful that someone here can help. On the wall near McGarrett’s desk there is an object that sort of looks like one of those wall-mounted barometer/thermometer things that were popular a few decades ago. It is not one of those, but that is as close to relating it to something as I can get. To describe it would be something like this… It appears to have a wood backing. The bottom of it looks to be a brass ball (actually a bisected one since it appears to be flat against the wood backing). In some shows the ball part appears to be black, rather than brass. From this ball there appears to be a small diameter tube that runs vertically upward to what kind of resembles a guitar head (although it is definitely not that) due to the way the width of the object gets wider at that point. There is some kind of plate on the upper part. It looks as if it could be some kind of old style thermometer whereby the fluid would be in the ball below and the tube leads to a temperature scale at the top. The entire piece appears to be 2 to 3 feet long. It shows up countless times and no matter how many times I pause the scene it just isn’t clear enough to make out what it is. Interestingly in one episode I saw it mounted upside down where the ball part was at the top.
Mahalo.

Added: Friday 15 May 2015 18:02:49 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"deer-est dawtah DeeDee"

:D Very good, Chicken! I can just picture Ricardo's pronunciation as I read it. Right on, bruddah!

Added: Friday 15 May 2015 16:14:39 MST


Submitted by: Mr. MIke
From: Vancouver

Rating for Five-Zero seasons, from "best" [sic] to worst.

1, 2, 5, 4, 3

Ratings of how much blathering I did for each season based on KB size of "log" file. I dunno if this means anything!!

3 (219 KB), 5 (201), 1 (197), 4 (173), 2 (137).

Added: Friday 15 May 2015 10:04:10 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I have revamped the Five-Zero ratings page with hyperlinks to each of the individual episodes, so you can check them out. Aren't you excited ... NOT!! ;)

http://mjq.net/fiveo/ratings/Five-Zero%20Ratings.htm

I might do this for the old show's ratings page some day too...

Added: Friday 15 May 2015 09:02:12 MST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Tokura Imports: Seattle, WA regional office

Awwright!! Soooooo glad to hear the Five-Zero will be back! Mr. Mike, maybe you can confirm this, but I think we'll now get to see that long rumored and long awaited Lenkov remake of Season 1's SAMURAI with Antonio Banderas taking over the role of Takura and Brenda Song as deer-est dawtah DeeDee. Can't wait to see Alex O face down them Bushido!

My man the Rainbow Warrior: The 1970's be Chicken's time too. But I loves the conglomeration of peacenicks, hippies, Nam vets and general counter-culture types featured in that awesome Five-O first season.

And brudda RingFire: You fracture me with that 'McGarrett the serial fornicator' stuff. Your posts really flip me, man.

Added: Thursday 14 May 2015 23:22:33 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Mr. Mike, as for your notes for the last few shows... as soon as I saw them my first response was WOW!!! Then my second response was WHYYYYY????? :D

I suppose since I don't care diddly about the new show you couldn't pay me enough to take notes on the episodes and dissect them. I can't even be bothered to sit down and watch them, much less do anything else with them.

But I'm sure you have your reasons. No wonder some folks think you're affiliated with CBS or the show or its scriptwriters/producers. ;)

Added: Thursday 14 May 2015 20:24:24 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"Still reeling from the finale. Watched 4 times now. Best episode ever of any TV show."

:D :D :D Hahahaha!!!

Ok, maybe I shouldn't be laughing since I haven't seen the episode in question (don't watch the show, don't care) but still... best episode aever of any TV show????? :D :D :D

I bet the weakest episode from season 6 of "24" would still blow away anything on this Five-Faux! I'm guessing this person doesn't watch much television.

Added: Thursday 14 May 2015 18:33:40 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

I found the chart Mike. Season 1, Season 3 then Season 6. Can't argue much with that.

Added: Thursday 14 May 2015 15:58:55 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

Mr. Mike, that's a cool chart of the first five seasons. Is there one of those charts for the original series? I'm thinking Season 6 might be the winner.

Added: Thursday 14 May 2015 15:31:56 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

My notes for the last two shows:

Added: Thursday 14 May 2015 07:57:15 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

From someone to Lenkov, on Twitter:

Still reeling from the finale. Watched 4 times now. Best episode ever of any TV show.

Added: Thursday 14 May 2015 07:45:07 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Now that the season (ha ha, I originally typed "reason") is over, I have added my ratings for the last few shows to those for the whole season, and the results are in:

http://mjq.net/fiveo/ratings/Five-Zero%20Ratings.htm

Season five barely squeaked by as the third best [sic], following 1 and 2 and ahead of 4 and 3.

Added: Thursday 14 May 2015 06:58:06 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

I haven't finished watching the last episode, but can you imagine talking about Kono, from the original series, wearing a fish tail dress? That would have been priceless.

Added: Wednesday 13 May 2015 13:37:42 MST


Submitted by: Jean goonesinghe
From: UK

I have watched the new Five 0, but find it too noisy and violent. I did like the episodes about the internment of the American Japanese, which caused me to find out more. When I have watched the new Five 0, but find it too noisy and violent. I did like the episodes about the internment of the American Japanese, which caused me to find out more. When I recently visited Honolulu, I went in the Courthouse. There is a film room which shows newsreels and videos of what happened to the Japanese American after Pearl Harbour. Very enlightening, but I digress. There is only one Steve and Danny for me. No one can replace them. The idea of re-creating Five 0 was quite good, but I would have preferred different characters. Ok, if it was from scratch, but how can the original McG be the new McG's father, if so all the other characters would be descendants. When they brought August March back, he said he was put away by a young cop years before by the name of McGarrett. The new one says, "That was my father" The original McG was called Steve and the now Steve's father was called John. Also the age would not match. So it's a no from me.

Added: Wednesday 13 May 2015 13:36:21 MST


Submitted by: honu59
From: New York

I don't think that Kono's dress was a fishtail style. It may have looked that way because she's so gosh darned skinny.

Added: Wednesday 13 May 2015 12:59:57 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Now, let's talk about Kono's wedding dress. I hate fishtail dresses.

Added: Wednesday 13 May 2015 11:51:42 MST


Submitted by: Rainow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Mike:

Yes, I saw your review, I think watching the new Five-O can bring out the salty language in anyone! ;)

Fred:

No offense was taken, and I didn't think you were disrespectful to me. I think the way that I wrote that post may have made me sound like I was annoyed, but I wasn't in the least.

Added: Wednesday 13 May 2015 06:53:22 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

Me, too, Fred. I studied the maps and one-way streets so much before going over in 2008 and 2009 that I actually knew how to get to the major places. I still don't know the neighborhoods and wish I did. One nice thing about an island: When you reach water, you know it's time to turn around and go back. :D

Added: Tuesday 12 May 2015 19:06:35 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

Rainbow, No disrespect intended. I thought you were doing more of a quiz show format then actually trying to get the answers. These days, the internet and in particular IMDB, provides so much info, I had assumed you would have looked there first for actor info.

And Google Maps helped me identify a lot of the filming locations so when I visited in 2009 and especially in 2014, I felt very familiar with the streets, landscapes and buildings.

Added: Tuesday 12 May 2015 13:38:11 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Rainbow, don't worry about using bad words, they are in abundance on the new show, though I am not going to go back and chronicle them all like I did for the old series.

If you check my review of the last episode (click on "Latest Episode" link above and go down a bit), you will see that not only did I use the "F" bomb in my review of the finale, but also the "S" bomb!!

Added: Tuesday 12 May 2015 12:06:10 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Rainbow,

The Aloha Tower is also featured in the show's opening credits sequence. Before the zoom in on McG standing atop the Ilikai.

Also you'll recall it featured prominently in the plot of the criminally underrated season 6 ep "Anybody Can Build a Bomb". The bomb is stored in a crate inside the tower.

Added: Tuesday 12 May 2015 10:36:48 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

There may have been no way, but it should have been. There have been great quality shows that have been cancelled after only one season, and to now extend this mediocrity into a sixth season is horrendous.

I don't even have a problem with AOL's portrayal of McGarrett, as I think the last few years he has done a good job with it. The writing though, the lack of good characters makes the show shit.

Sorry to swear Mike, but I saw you used the F-bomb earlier on Saturday, so that is the way I feel. It is not high quality. Make room for something better.

Added: Tuesday 12 May 2015 10:21:37 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

There is absolutely no way that CBS would have cancelled Five-Zero, especially considering this (from a year ago):

http://deadline.com/2014/03/peter-lenkov-inks-new-overall-deal-with-cbs-tv-studios-694766/

Added: Tuesday 12 May 2015 09:02:43 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

If you do a Google search for Elithe Aguilar, you will find some interesting information other than that relating to her TV appearances, which were very few...

Added: Tuesday 12 May 2015 08:10:10 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

I'm disappointed the new show was renewed, as I was hoping that it was done. If they make cast changes like getting rid of Scott Caan and Grace Park, then maybe it could offer something fresh, but otherwise, I'm sure "Mom" McGarrett will be making a comeback, and more car arguments. What passes for entertainment these days!

Fred,

Actually, I didn't know the answers to my questions which is why I asked. I have never been to Hawaii, which is why I ask those here who have been for their knowledge. I also did not know Elithe Aguilar was the actress name either. Thanks to you and Ringfire.

Ringfire:

Yes, Elithe caught my eye right away. Very pretty. Thanks for the info about the Aloha Tower, as I did not know any of that. I think you and Fred are right, that the parking lot is supposed to be outside his apartment. For some reason when he calls out to the cops in the back to get the bomb squad, I thought he was leaving work rather than his apartment, but because of the threat on his life, there would be cops stationed outside his residence to protect him too.

H50: Great info. I know that Danno always had a running joke in the show about how badly cops are paid like in Part I when he discusses that with the tailor, but as the head of Five-O, I am assuming that McGarrett made a nice salary and would be able to afford those apartments in 1972.

Big Chicken: I know you love the 1960's, but man I dig that 1970's look, feel, smell, and vibe. The 1970's was my time brother!

Added: Tuesday 12 May 2015 07:22:40 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

McGarrett was given two addresses during the series:

In "Once Upon a Time," part 1, Season 1, he tells the FDA lawyers that his address is 404 Pi'ikoi Street.

In "'V' for Vashon: The Father," Season 5, we see the street number 2085 and, across the street, the Ala Wai Canal. That puts the building on Ala Wai Boulevard, and has McGarrett living in the real-life Twin Towers Condominiums, which is, indeed, at that address. If you google the address "2085 Ala Wai Boulevard," you can see pictures of the building, interior and exterior. They are nice apartments and sell, refurbished for about $500,000 for 2 BR, 1-1/2 Baths, just under 1000 sq. ft.

Added: Monday 11 May 2015 19:31:31 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Rainbow,

Indeed "V for Vashon: The Father" is superb and is the best episode of season 5. Probably even in my all-time top 3 on the show!

As for your questions:

1. That would be the extremely gorgeous Elithe Aguiar! She appeared in a few other episodes. I believe she plays the hooker yet again at the end of "I'll Kill Em Again" - as Eddie Joseph's last would-be victim who is saved at the last second by McGarrett after which Eddie takes that leap out of the window. For my money Elithe (gotta love that name!) is much more gorgeous than the often-mentioned Elissa Dulce.

2. That would be the Aloha Tower at Honolulu Harbor. We see it when Dylan Haywood (Don Knight) arrives in Honolulu and talks on the pay phone with Tosaki (Kwan Hi Lim). We also see it in other episodes - Wo Fat stands on the tower's balcony in "F.O.B. Honolulu". I made a point to stand on that balcony too when I visited back in 2008.

3. Not sure if this is the first time we see where he lives. But I always remember Steve's residence as Piikoi St. which is somewhere in the Ala Moana area, not as it is in this episode which is obviously on Ala Wai Blvd. along the Ala Wai Canal.

4. I'm pretty sure the Ala Wai parking lot where his car is rigged to blow was supposed to be outside his apartment, though maybe I need to rewatch the episode.

Added: Monday 11 May 2015 19:07:09 MST


Submitted by: Joekido
From: Colorado Springs

That's a great news! Now we can watch more badness that rabid fans would defend with all their damn life and would treat it as perfect piece of work! So much more inconsistency and bullshit plot! Rejoice! This guestbook is spared from being boring! Even though this show was not suppose to follow the original series. This show was suppose to be different.

Added: Monday 11 May 2015 15:32:56 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

Rainbow,

I just watched the trilogy as well. Yeah, I think the middle one may be best as well. The Patriarch was okay, but the scheme to put McGarrett away was a little too rich.

I'm sure you know the answers to your questions, but Elithe Aguilar is pretty nice looking.

As far as McGarrett's apartment, I don't recall it being shown in other episodes. Obviously along the Ala Wai Canal, the apartment building is in Waikiki. That seems an odd place for a police officer to live. The rent had/has to be enormous in that area. I never got the impression that the parking lot was near the palace though.

And here's another source for Season 6's positive renewal:

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/29033552/hawaii-five-0-renewed-for-season-6-on-cbs

Added: Monday 11 May 2015 14:41:51 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

So do these links:

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/05/11/cbs-renews-ncis-criminal-minds-good-wife-person-interest

http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/cbs-csi-season-16-stalker-cancelled-1201492325/

Added: Monday 11 May 2015 12:13:17 MST


Submitted by: Will
From: Seattle

The website "TV By the Numbers" reports that Five-0 has been renewed.

Added: Monday 11 May 2015 12:04:51 MST


Submitted by: SF Fan
From: California

Chin Ho was not the sharpest tool in the shed. Agree or disagree?

Added: Monday 11 May 2015 10:50:59 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Okay, back to the real show.

I watched "V: For Vashon The Father. Part 2" over the weekend, and I thought it was superior to Part 1. It was the most heavily influenced by "The Godfather" and the cat and mouse game with the hired hit man was classic. That was five-o at it's best. Subtle, quiet, but compelling, thoughtful, intelligent, not with big shootouts like the new show. Some questions about it for long time fans.

1. Who played the beautiful police woman at the end who impersonates the call girl?

2. What is the name of the big clock tower in Hawaii that appears when McGarrett flags down a taxi after turning down another taxi driver?

3. Is this the first time in the season's first five years that we saw where Steve lives? His apartment complex I mean? Do we see it later in the show's run?

4. I understand where the parking lot is where Steve's car is blown up, but from my understanding that was supposed to represent the parking lot behind his work office at Iolani palace and not his apartment complex where it was filmed. Am I wrong?

Ringfire: Nicely done on your ear joke. :D

CSI is coming back either for an 8 season wrap-up or two hour tv movie. What this means for new Five-O? Don't know

http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/last-man-standing-csi-american-odyssey-tv-shows-still-in-limbo-1201491874/

Added: Monday 11 May 2015 07:16:59 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The first of Friday's two shows reviewed:

http://mjq.net/fiveo/2010-log5.htm#24

Added: Sunday 10 May 2015 14:19:53 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

More show #24 stupidity:

These are the times from the dashboard cam in the cop's car:

2:08:32 - The bounty hunter's car is stopped
2:08:36 - Cop approaches car from the rear
2:08:41 - Cop opens the trunk
2:08:51 - Bad guy comes out of trunk, punches cop
2:08:53 - Bad guy grabs cop's gun, shoots him
2:09:04 - Bad guy shoots bounty hunter, who is handcuffed to steering wheel
2:09:06 - Bad guy pulls bounty hunter out of car, seemingly without removing handcuff
2:09:21 - Bad guy leaves in the car

If you watch the sequence where the cop approaches the car and talks to the bounty hunter about the tail light, there is around ONE MINUTE of conversation. In the dashboard cam footage, there is only 5 SECONDS from the time the cop approaches the car until he opens the trunk.

There is no explanation as to how the handcuffs are removed.

Added: Sunday 10 May 2015 00:08:48 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Does Lenkov know something we don't?

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/hawaii-five-0-finale-danny-794463

Added: Saturday 09 May 2015 23:08:33 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

IMDB comment by njvolk
(Sat May 9 2015 16:37:24)

Let's be real.

The show isn't very good anymore. I laughed last night at a lot of it. It's got its geriatric loyal minions [WHAT?!?!?!? - MQ] and some respectable overall ratings because of them. The all important demo ratings have drained off 80% plus in the last 3 years.

But it is on Friday night and there is a pretty low bar.

It might stay, it might not. If it does, it can thank a sweet contract snookering someone to show it on syndication, and just generally the low standard of Friday nights.

It's not a bad show. It's mediocre derivative entertainment that to its credit has squeezed 5 or maybe 6 years out of mediocre writing and lifeless acting.

It was good the first couple seasons. But that was probably all it was possible for it to be good for.

As far as what everyone keeps saying about the actors having these contracts for x years. That means nothing.

They are all written subject to renewal. If they cancel it, Scott Caan, for example, is free to walk and is no longer owed a check.

I am betting it's done done because it looks like the choice is down to that or Good Wife. One is still a quality show and cheaper to produce.

Added: Saturday 09 May 2015 22:57:13 MST


Submitted by: Ravi
From: Richmond, VA

It seems that most on this forum can't stand the reboot. I am not sure if I'm even in the target demographic for Five Zero, but I thought the first season was outstanding. The first couple of seasons weren't bad actually. The show started to unravel when they expanded the regular cast, developed the characters personal lives, etc. The writing has
become extremely lazy.

The beauty of the old show is that you didn't know much about the personal lives of the characters. The storylines were entertaining enough, I guess.

Anyhow, I am almost certain the show will be picked up for a sixth (and probably final) season.

Added: Saturday 09 May 2015 12:21:24 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

This scene at the end of the first show is so fucked up. I have watched it over and over. The girl's father has the bad guy (BG) who killed his daughter shackled in the basement hanging from the ceiling; BG's feet are not tied up. The father removes one of BG's hands from the shackles and uses pliers to squeeze his finger, perhaps breaking it. Then he tries to cut off his scalp, but freaks out and, in frustration, pushes the table with all the knives and other torture implements so everything falls on the floor. At this point, from one angle, it looks like there is nothing close to BG, though from another angle there might be something. In any case, I think it is highly unlikely that BG can reach the knife later shown in closeup. He would have to s-t-r-e-t-c-h, grab the knife with his feet and then somehow get this knife into his free hand (which has a severely damaged finger), while hanging from the ceiling by one hand! He certainly could not reach the knife on the floor with just his hand while hanging from the ceiling. When the father goes upstairs, either to -- as BG mockingly says -- call the cops, or just to cool off, you cannot see a knife or anything on the floor in front of BG at all. After McGarrett comes downstairs, he finds the father on the floor, with the BG's cut-off thumb under him. What supposedly happened is, BG got the knife and cut off his own thumb to escape from the shackles, then attacked and seriously injured the father, and then somehow managed to stick his hand (without a thumb) back through the shackles to look like he was hanging from the ceiling! Whether this attack happened downstairs or upstairs is a good question, because when Five-0 shows up at the house, a lot of stuff on the first floor is broken. But then why would BG cut off his thumb, come upstairs and attack the father, and not just leave the house, period? The upstairs scenario also makes you wonder why the thumb was under the father downstairs (so does the downstairs one, actually). Once again, there is some critical scene in a show where everything after depends on it, and they fuck it up big time. Just a bit of care with the continuity (like showing how BG got the knife to cut off his thumb, etc.), and it would have made much more sense ... well, maybe.

Added: Saturday 09 May 2015 11:16:06 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

FIRST SHOW

I thought the first show was OK until the end. The bad guy cuts off his thumb to escape from the shackles above using some fancy knife on the floor. But how can he reach this knife with the other hand, which the father previously took out of the shackles so he could cut the guy's fingers off? You can see when McGarrett comes to the basement and this bad guy is playing dead with his thumbless hand in the shackles, that there is no way his other arm can reach the floor. This made no sense whatsoever. As well, the thumb is seemingly found under the body of the father, who the bad guy stabbed with the knife, and the father is several feet away. When did all this happen, because the last time we saw the father, he was going up the stairs to call the cops.

Do all the flashbacks with Rachel in the "previously on Five-0" appear in earlier shows? (I am not going back to check them all.)

Danno's son looked older than 3 years. A friend of mine has a kid who is four years old and she looks younger than this "three year old"!

I figured there would be further complications with the beardo bounty hunter.

This is presumably the disease the kid has (abbreviated to HLH): Hemophagocytic lymphohistiocytosis. But there is no mention of bone marrow in the Wikipedia article in connection with its treatment.

SECOND SHOW

I would give this show four stars just for Michelle Borth, she looked fantastic! But I have to be more serious.

The makeup for Kono's mother's grey hair was even worse in this show than the Kono-goes-to-Molokai episode.

Catherine is still getting McGarrett intel, but she totally left the navy!!

I guess you could say in this show McGarrett and Danno had a "helicopter-gument."

I thought it was pretty funny, the trolley comes to this park and everyone runs away freaking out. This brought to mind the old show's episode Anybody Can Build a Bomb about a nuclear device where they are in a park and they let the bomb off in a public washroom!

When McGarrett is following the bad guy in this show (they are running across the tops of cars in a scrap yard), the bad guy shoots RIGHT AT HIM and doesn't hit McG. Stupid.

Catherine still has her Corvette that she was seen driving in a previous episode ages ago. I guess it was in storage or something.

I am skeptical that the helicopter could have flown 50 miles in the time frame needed to drop the bomb. As well, I'm sure the shock wave from the nuclear blast would have totally knocked the copter out of the sky. Also, where was the mushroom cloud at the very end? People saw it from the beach, but it can't just disappear after this.

Where is the bad guy rumored to be the new Wo Fat in this show (as mentioned in various hype connected with it)?

I wish that someone would have shot Gabriel, then the whole series could have ended, assuming it is cancelled, which I am sure it is not.

Added: Friday 08 May 2015 23:20:40 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

One of my pals "in the business" reports:

CSI: Cyber was renewed. The expectation was that this spinoff would be cancelled. Since it was renewed, it's increasingly likely H50 may be cancelled. We should know soon. There are moles at the networks feeding Deadline Hollywood scoops the last couple of days. Basically, either H50 or Good Wife are the likely candidates left to go, Good Wife gets similar ratings plus Emmys. I'm still hopeful that H50 will hang in there, but its chances got slimmer with that CSI show renewal (which TV by the Numbers predicted incorrectly!)

Another pal e-mails:

I think CSI: Cyber's renewal makes it more likely that CSI: Las Vegas (the original) will be next in line, as rumours were rife that it would finally be put out to pasture. Unless it, too, has been announced for pickup — likely as a "limited run" final season.

But everything you (and others) have said already in Five-0's favour — the syndication deal, the fact that it's an "in-house" CBS International Studios production, CBS's need or desire to maintain its "relationship" with Peter Lenkov as one of their go-to guys, the fact that it's a Friday night staple on a night when hit shows are nearly impossible to find — all point towards renewal, I would think.

Then again, it can't be reassuring that official word is so late in coming, one way or the other.

Added: Friday 08 May 2015 22:10:56 MST


Submitted by: Joekido
From: Colorado Springs

Well, that was a horrible horrible cliffhanger I ever seen. Horrible. Chin could've gotten shot and sent fans go crazy for four damn months. How about Danno and McGarrett getting swallowed up by the blast? Would that be nice? Oh and screw carguments, it's boring as shit now. And Danno now gotta worry about the bone marrow transplant, go figure. And it's sucks that Honolulu's waters got radiated, thanks a lot idiots, now I can't visit that state! Also, mutated sea life, where it's gonna taste so bad that Hawaii Is gonna experience population decline, yea!

Added: Friday 08 May 2015 21:59:40 MST


Submitted by: Joekido
From: Colorado Springs

Are the producers trying to change McGarrett? Something they should have done seasons ago? And I'm the only one who finds Catherine's return awkward?

Added: Friday 08 May 2015 20:26:58 MST


Submitted by: Karl Lietzenmayer
From: Covington, KY

Great Show! But since I am loosing my hearing, your background music is unnecessarily loud. So much so that it often smothers the dialogue. [Sorry, but this site is not authorized by, or has any connection to CBS or the people who produce the show. Try contacting @PLenkov via Twitter. - MQ]

Added: Friday 08 May 2015 20:09:37 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"Ringfire:

Yes, you have a great ear."

Thanks, Rainbow. Yes, it does have a certain look to it each time I see it in the mirror. ;)

Added: Friday 08 May 2015 16:43:50 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Vrinda is right. Can you imagine if they had cast Melina Kanakaredes as Kono even though she is not Hawaiian, or maybe if they got rid of the Kono character, and just had a player of the team named Lori or Kimo. What a difference in the new show if you have a solid, veteran actress in it.

Same for the Danno role. Get a solid actor for that, who plays it serious, it is a different show.

Added: Friday 08 May 2015 06:54:45 MST


Submitted by: Maureen E Brockmann
From: Still from Montana

Nice to know that we all still care.

Added: Thursday 07 May 2015 17:49:58 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Rick, it was said that other actors were considered for McGarrett, like Robert Stack and Gregory Peck, then Robert Brown was hired. At the last minute, CBS decided not to go with Brown. Someone at CBS suggested Jack to Lenny Freeman, who said to send him the script, and if he wanted it, the role was his. This was said in many different interviews, with different people confirming each part.

When the original was cast, there was no pattern to follow. They were starting from scratch. With the new show, that isn't the case. They were basing it on the original. They didn't need to create the characters. They were already created. The producers of the new show didn't create Kono. Kono was created by Lenny Freeman and appeared on the original show. All the H5O 2 producers did was change him from a man to a woman. They didn't do much else, except make her an ex-surfing champion and police academy graduate. That doesn't take much time or thought to do.

When the characters were created for the original, there was no blueprint to work off of, but for the new show, there was. They knew they were doing the remake of the original, so the characters were already there for them to work with. They knew there was a Kono character to cast. If that's the case, and given it's a smaller role than the others, it shouldn't have taken them too long to find an actress. Zulu was hired long before Jack. It was not said that anyone else was considered or picked to play Kono before Grace Park.

At least when Jack Lord got that script, he knew this was a role he wanted to play, and was devoted to it for 12 years. Though Grace Park got her script two weeks ahead of time, she's not showing the same dedication that Jack did. Jack did what a good actor does: he made his character unique, identifying himself with the character by planting himself in the role so it appears no other actor could play him.

Grace didn't do that with Kono. They could have taken any pretty, athletic girl and placed her in that role with the same lines, and gotten the same results. Compare her to Catherine Haena Kim, who was outstanding as the younger and older versions of Kono's mother. She had me believing in her when she was teaching Kono how to surf, and had me sympathizing with her when she had an aneurysm. She did in one episode what Grace Park did not do in all 5 seasons.

Added: Thursday 07 May 2015 11:52:23 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Mike getting fired up!

Added: Thursday 07 May 2015 09:42:33 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I am VERY skeptical about the claims made in this article from some "publication" that I've never heard of, which bases most of its opinions on things found on other WWW sites.

Saying that some people think that the new show is better is largely irrelevant, because you can hear comments like this on typical fan forums, many made by people who have never even seriously watched the original.

As far as the 18-49 demographic is concerned, this is not an issue because it has never reached stellar heights for this show. Ditto for the business about the crossover with NCIS: Los Angeles, because that was ONE episode.

I don't know what they are talking about with Shark Tank. Hasn't Five-Zero consistently won its ratings slot for some time? Even TV By the Numbers, which has two guys predicting the show will NOT be renewed in its final anal-ysis for ratings for CBS this season (quoted in this Christian Today article) said "Hawaii Five-0 ALSO GROWS IN VIEWERS, A18-49 AND A25-54" in its coverage of last week's show.

The show also is making CBS $2 million per episode for the TNT syndication deal. I don't know how many shows this is for ... that was the original deal way back when. I haven't followed this too closely, but I read somewhere that this syndication deal is not working out too well, with the show being run at obscure times like 2 or 3 in the morning. But so what, it's still $2 million per episode in CBS's pockets.

I still think the show will be renewed. Whether it gets a full season of 24 episodes is another question.

If it is NOT renewed, and the show does not get wrapped up with the finale next weekend, there will probably be some kind of resolution like a 2-hour TV movie.

Added: Thursday 07 May 2015 08:25:56 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Ringfire:

Yes, you have a great ear.

This article says that the new five-o is doomed and will not be renewed for next year. If true, I will celebrate like you will not believe. I am slightly dubious of this report though because of the claim that some fans view the new show as far better as the original. I know that is the case for some fans, but I doubt that MOST viewers of both shows feel that way. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this show is toast, even though Mike is on record as saying he thinks it is coming back.

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/hawaii.five.0.unlikely.to.see.season.6.renewal/53385.htm

Added: Thursday 07 May 2015 07:07:08 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

"Jack Lord — then living in Beverly Hills — was asked at the last moment. Lord read for the part on a Wednesday, was cast, and flew to Hawaii two days later. On the following Monday, Lord was in front of the cameras."

Added: Wednesday 06 May 2015 21:05:18 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

Vrinda writes... "Grace Park got the script two weeks before filming began. What were the producers doing in terms of casting Kono before that?" ...now, I'm the last one to defend the fake Five-O, but way back when exactly did Jack Lord get a script and get on an airplane to start filming the real deal?

Added: Wednesday 06 May 2015 20:20:15 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I watched season 11's "A Long Time Ago" last night - directed by long-time FIVE-0 cameraman Robert L. Morrison.

I was surprised by how much I enjoyed it. It was pretty good by season 11 standards. Also quite edgy - Melissa's ex-boyfriend Roy Crawford beat and killed her baby. That's pretty disturbing. Hence why she's trying to find Roy and kill him. Pretty hardcore stuff for a season 11 episode.

What really made it work though was the score by Dick DeBenedictis (frequent COLUMBO composer and who wrote the main theme for MATLOCK). When the episode began and I heard that familiar harp-sounding sound with a jingle that sounded like a triangle I immediately flashed in my mind to the opening of "The Skyline Killer" (excellently scored by DeBenedictis - I wrote at length about this a while back). It sounded very similar. Then I wondered to myself whether it was possible that DeBenedictis also score this episode but for some reason I was convinced that "Skyline" was the only episode that he scored on FIVE-0. Still, I couldn't help but notice how similar the cues here were to "Skyline" and how effectively creepy and unsettling some of the cues were (as they were in "Skyline"). So I'm finally watching the end credits and wouldn't you know it? It WAS DeBenedictis! Do I have a good ear for FIVE-0 music or what? It really is a shame they didn't get this guy to score more episodes and have Cacavas score less. I'm sure he would have made some of the lesser episodes more watchable.

Added: Wednesday 06 May 2015 19:58:54 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Rainbow,

You're right about the casting. With so many talented actors and actresses out there, why did they chose Scott Caan and Grace Park? These two would not normally be at the top of any casting director or producer's list. Why is it they never cast even one native-born Hawaiian as a member of the Five-O force?

Grace Park got the script two weeks before filming began. What were the producers doing in terms of casting Kono before that?

Part of what will help a show get off the ground is a good cast. The new Five-O does not have that. They were riding on the coattails of the original, and hoping to find its audience based on that.

Added: Wednesday 06 May 2015 08:41:35 MST


Submitted by: honu59
From: New York

I also like "Cloth of Gold" for several reasons. It's a good Kono episode and I learned about those scary creatures - pick one up the wrong way, and you're dead. I like the underwater scenes. But most of all, it has a couple of my favorite Doc Bergman scenes. He gets so excited by solving the puzzle of what killed Mingo, to the annoyance of Steve and Danny.

Added: Wednesday 06 May 2015 07:59:47 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Mike,

Thanks for that link.

Honu:

The biggest mistake made by the new show was in casting it before the show started filming. The casting of Grace Park and James Caan never allowed the show to find its feet. Park was hired only for her looks, and can't act, and Caan was a disaster from the start. That was a big part why you can't bond with the characters. You have to get the casting right before the show starts, or it's doomed.

Fred: "Cloth of Gold" one of my favorite all time Five-o shows because it is under the radar, and no one talks about it too much, but when I saw it for the first time it knocked my socks off.

Ringfire: Yes, I believe I am referring to the "heist theme. I love that theme, just really nice. That is what I was thinking of.

Added: Wednesday 06 May 2015 07:18:29 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

Watching Season 5's "Deathwish on Tantalus Mountain". Montalban is not driving up Tantalus Drive. Tantalus starts just above the Punchbowl Crater and winds up a very windy, but residential road. It leads up and past a spectacular vista point that is used in Season's 7 "6,000 Deadly Tickets" when they use Tantalus or Round Top as a meeting place to sell a bundle of phony airline tickets. In the latter episode they give a fantastic panoramic view from the lookout.

Instead, Five-O used a road perhaps a couple of dozen times that starts down near Hawaii Kai, Kamehame Drive, and moves up a ridge line that is a private one lane road. From the top, there is a spectacular view south to Koko Head Crater and to the North and East of the Waimanalo and Kailua beaches. The road was used in the previous episode in Season 5, "Death is a Company Policy" at the end of the show. McGarrett called it the Military Road. In both episodes, an "H" is seen. A heliport spot I would think. The "H" is seen in other episodes as well. The road is also used in "Stringer" and "Assault on the Palace" and I think "Nightmare in Blue" and "F.O.B. Honolulu", if I'm not mistaken, as well as many others.

Added: Wednesday 06 May 2015 06:16:03 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Hey Rainbow,

I watched that scene from the hotel robbery in "V for Vashon: The Son". There are 2 famous and often used cues playing there. First when we see the trio going through the rooms and cleaning out the loot into their green bags we hear the "heist theme" (or at least that's what I call it). It was used in way too many episodes to count but it was first memorably used in the excellent season 3 heist episode "Ten Thousand Diamonds and a Heart" by Don Ray. Here it starts out in the traditional sounding way but then morphs into a more loud and jazzy sound. Anyway this is the first music cue that I noticed. Then when McGarrett arrives on the scene and says to one of the HPD cops "Kimo, get the laundry chute" and we cut to the trio trying to sneak out of the rooms with their green bags we hear a variation of the trombone interval theme. This plays during the whole cat-and-mouse routine in the hallways between McGarrett/Danno and the trio who are trying to sneak away. Perhaps this is the piece of music you're referring to. I'm not sure when it was first heard (my guess is sometime in season 4) but it was also used in many episodes. Both are great music cues and really showed Five-O at its peak musically during that time period.

Fred,

I noticed the same thing about "Cloth of Gold" a while back. In all the underwater scenes (including the one in the teaser) when the camera pans up you don't see a clear sky as you should. Instead you see those "bars" (as I call them) which make up the structure of the roof of that water tank at Sea Life Park. I remember it well because I was there and have pictures of that structure. The water tank building is a round structure that has a circular domed roof with bars going out from the middle out to the sides creating a spiderweb-like look. So that's what we see when the camera pans up from under the water. I think I also saw this in another episode or two.

Added: Monday 04 May 2015 11:40:50 MST


Submitted by: Fred H.
From: Chatsworth, CA

To continue on the last post, in "Cloth of Gold", Dano is getting a lesson from an expert on the cloth of gold mollusk. They walk around a tank and remove the cloth of gold from the same tank that Akamai had been scuba diving in earlier. That tank is about 25 feet tall and visitors can see inside the tank while walking along a spiral walking path that goes from the bottom of the tank to the top. One of the parks better attractions. In addition to "Cloth of Gold", the tank is also used in "Murder with a Golden Touch". It's where the gold bars are scattered about some believed shipwreck.

Added: Sunday 03 May 2015 15:38:14 MST


Submitted by: Fred H.
From: Chatsworth, CA

So, I'm watching season 4 and I find it interesting that consecutively shown episodes have the main guest characters living at the Anderson Estate (the Magnum P.I. home). "While You're at It, Bring in the Moon" and "Cloth of Gold". The Anderson Estate is a filming location in numerous episodes of the series and it must have been cost saving and a convenience to stay at the same location twice in a row.

Also, in "Cloth of Gold", the character Akamai gets trapped while scuba diving in the waters and gets saved by the servant Manoa. Akamai is actually swimming in the nearby tank at Sea Life Park. At one point, you can see the shadows of the open air, wood planked roof of the tank. Certainly, a filming/editing goof.

Added: Sunday 03 May 2015 14:40:20 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Kono in uniform seems like a goof, but it is not. According to some people via Twitter, Lenkov commented during broadcast of the show that this is her "cadet" uniform.

Added: Sunday 03 May 2015 11:53:18 MST


Submitted by: honu59
From: New York

"I think the thing for me is because I'm not emotionally invested in the characters I don't care. I don't care what happens to Kono and Danny so as a result I lose focus."

I agree, Rainbow, and I think that I said as much on Friday night. This was particularly evident when "Blue Bloods" came on and I was on the edge of my seat when Danny was trying to get to Linda as she was being wheeled into surgery and Jamie was holding him back. My heart was in my throat because these are characters I care about. They seem so much more like real people to me.

There seemed to be an inconsistency in one of Kono's flashbacks. When her mom had the aneurysm and Kono comes to the hospital, she is wearing an HPD uniform as if she had just been on patrol. As I remember from the first season of the show, Kono was tapped for Five-O prior to her graduation from the police academy, so she never would have worked as a uniformed cop. Am I right about this or did I miss something?

Added: Sunday 03 May 2015 11:19:33 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Rainbow, I'm not familiar with the music sequence you mention without watching the show again, and I don't know any of the "official" names for any of the sequences on the show. The music for the show used to be (and may still be) housed at some university in Southern California in a collection of CBS scores.

The various names I use for some of the themes (via the music section of the main page on the site) are things that I just made up, i.e., the "trombone interval theme," "memories," the "military theme," the "violin theme," etc.

On some film music discussion board a while ago there was mention of a company like Intrada working on a Five-O package, but I think this was just speculation.

On the other hand, you may find this interesting:

http://mjq.net/fiveo/donray/

Added: Sunday 03 May 2015 10:09:18 MST


Submitted by: Fred H.
From: Chatsworth, CA

Thanks Mr. Mike on clarifying Kono's trip. I totally missed that. I still find it hard to believe that she gets swept so far away that she loses sight of land. You can see Molokai from Oahu around Makapu'u. That's a distance of about 30 miles.

Added: Sunday 03 May 2015 10:07:29 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Mike,

I watched "V for Vashon: The Son Part I" yesterday and I was wondering if you had the title to the great music score that plays at the end when Chris and his friends are at the hotel robbing all the guests of their items and stuffing them into the blue laundry bags. I really loved that score and I was wondering if you had the title and how many times they used it in the series run.

New Five O:

I watched the show on Friday and I don't know, I was just bored. It seems that I get easily distracted watching it, it just doesn't hold my interest like the old show did. I think the thing for me is because I'm not emotionally invested in the characters I don't care. I don't care what happens to Kono and Danny so as a result I lose focus. It's also that I'll watch the Blacklist on Thursday night, and it is so incredible and emotionally powerful, and then this show is like blah.

Added: Sunday 03 May 2015 09:52:14 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Actually, Kono is not going around Oahu, she is going from Oahu to Molokai, a journey of about 25 miles. I missed this originally, but it is in the closed captions for the show, which was reproduced at this site (a very useful site):

http://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/view_episode_scripts.php?tv-show=hawaii-five-0&episode=s05e23

My review of the show is here, by the way: http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/2010-log5.htm#23

Added: Sunday 03 May 2015 09:34:38 MST


Submitted by: Fred H.
From: Chatsworth, CA

The last Five-O show was interesting. Not a lot of crime solving, but the crime of cooking meth with the son and father intrigue was a total redo of the original series' "Death With Father".

The main plot of Kono's solo sea navigation around Oahu was good, but that must have been some storm to take her clear away from the sight of any of the islands which leads to a few thoughts. If the storm was that massive, she should have postponed her trip on the off chance it would hit. I know Kono mentions that the storm was going to miss the island, but you don't get a sense that the storm is that threatening.

Also, I know it rains almost every day on the island, but that is usually caused by the water carrying clouds butting up against the mountains and it mostly rains near the mountains while most of the rest of the island is sunny. A storm of that size would likely hit the entire island, which it apparently didn't as evidenced by the crime solving part of the show.

And I don't get how Kono's phone gets water soaked. She's on a open raft type boat. You'd think she'd protect a phone better against getting wet. She dries the phone by emerging it in rice. Isn't a false tale of drying/saving a wet phone?

Lastly, when you see Chin tracking the storm on a computer monitor, it looked to me like a hurricane. Who's going to go on the sea with a hurricane near. At best the seas are going to be very rough.

On the very good side, I really enjoyed the Kono flashbacks to when she was a young girl and she's getting schooled on the sea by her mother.

The episode was definitely entertaining, but like usual, it suffers from a lot mental gaps IMHO.

Added: Sunday 03 May 2015 07:33:57 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

This site really doesn't say anything; see also this posting at IMDB which may refer to it: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1600194/board/thread/243331297. According to another WWW site, May 13th is the date CBS will make the official announcement as to whether the show lives or dies.

Added: Saturday 02 May 2015 18:42:28 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

http://bit.ly/1E4HNBO

Added: Saturday 02 May 2015 18:22:59 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Uh, where was this "list"? There is plenty of speculation at the moment about the show's fate. I think a lot of this noise is being drummed up by the show's producers and/or CBS. The general consensus seems to be that it will NOT be cancelled, and my money is on this option, despite my feelings to the contrary. TV By the Numbers is saying that it is likely that it will be cancelled, but this is totally speculation.

Added: Saturday 02 May 2015 17:02:23 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

I saw the fake Five-O on a list of cancelled TV shows? ...true? ...I hope. Do you think people will still be talking about that show in 45 years?

Added: Saturday 02 May 2015 16:41:13 MST


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