Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- May 2012

The Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- May 2012



The following are archived comments from May, 2012. After looking around, please add your own comments!

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Submitted by: SC5-0
From: L.

re: Emme's Island moments. Aloha from HI. Just finished watching Emme's show on 5-0. It was very well done & I think a number of you would enjoy having a copy once it's available (had no way to record it myself). Nice tribute to Len & Rose & JMac. Lots of respect for Jack and the orig. cast & great clips from Jimmy Borges & Al Harrington interviews.

Added: Thursday 31 May 2012 23:31:15 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Dennis Chun, son of Kam Fong who plays Duke Lukela in the new Five-O, spoke to the Pearl Harbor Rotary recently. Page 3 of their newsletter has an article about him:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/misc/DennisChun-Rotary.pdf

Added: Thursday 31 May 2012 18:37:09 MST


Submitted by: Hoosiergirl
From: NapTown

Regarding God's Little Acre....it's a horrible movie. I couldn't even watch it in one sitting it was so bad. Jack Lord looks fantastic and you boys should be knocked out by a very sexy Tina Louise, but it is a terribly written, acted and directed movie. Hard to believe it stuck to the celluloid.

Added: Thursday 31 May 2012 18:31:30 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: dvr alert!!

Anyone that hasn't seen Tina Louise drive Jack Lord crazy in "God's Little Acre," it airs tomorrow (06/01) @ 8:00pm on Turner Classic (TCM).

Added: Thursday 31 May 2012 14:37:27 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Lanikai

"it tastes good on occasion, has no redeeming nutritional value whatsoever, and completely evaporates after a few seconds"
This is nothing new. It also describes most all that is available on contemporary TeeVee in umurrika.

Added: Wednesday 30 May 2012 10:55:23 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: less hands, more acting...

"Lenkov's show is like cotton candy, it tastes good on occasion, has no redeeming nutritional value whatsoever, and completely evaporates after a few seconds."

I just caught this quote from a few weeks ago, Mr. Mike, and it made me chuckle.....in other words, the show is 7/8ths "air." :D

Added: Wednesday 30 May 2012 09:50:48 MST


Submitted by: Olivia
From: CA

Hi David,
I didn't know about the remake being canceled in Australia, but I remember one woman from there posting about the bad numbers the show was getting. I read once that for non USA TV networks is cheaper to air US shows than producing their owns. Seems they buy them in package deals, which even include canceled shows with just 8 episodes.So Australia will probably air the rest of the episodes in no primetime or at night.
Here CBS is into the syndication business.So they will produce 88 episodes to later make profit through cable syndication airing. Even if because Alex O'Loughlin substance abuse they had to shut down the show production for 2 weeks and reduce the episode order so he could make a stint in rehab, CBS will still produce the 88 episodes needed for syndication.
Just enjoy the original show DVDs David. :D
And yes, Person of Interest is an amazing show, it has ended the season with more viewers than when it premiered, so that says how much viewers are loving it. NCIS did the same when it premiered years back.

Added: Monday 28 May 2012 13:21:45 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

On the other hand, Five-0 is a hit in Canada. From Global TV press release:

Hit dramas and comedies continue to shine throughout primetime on Global. Perennial favourites Survivor and Glee delivered Top 10 performances as did the bittersweet final season of House. Plus Bones, NCIS and Hawaii Five-0 were all firmly established in the Top 20 and Global's Sunday night animation block also continued as a proven destination for the coveted male 18-34 demo.

Hawaii Five-0, with its explosive action and heated storylines, was not only a consistent time period winner and Top 20 performer but showed continued growth in its sophomore season. It was up by 11% when compared to Spring 2011 (A18-49).

Added: Monday 28 May 2012 13:19:30 MST


Submitted by: David
From: Australia

The remake has been canceled in Australia, no surprise because it was the lowest rated show for the network. The Bold and the Beautiful was even getting better numbers.
I remember my dad watching the Original and I was very excited about a remake, but what a bad bad surprise.No matter how much money or guest stars you use when you have a very weak actor in the lead. Jack Lord did a fine job in the show, but Alex O. only talent is to take his shirt off.He has killed the show for us.What was CBS thinking?
CBS should had gone with someone as Jim Caviezel , someone with strong presence. His new CBS show Person of Interest has ended in a better place than the Hawaii remake in the US TV rankings this season, again, no surprise.It is called "good acting".

Added: Sunday 27 May 2012 00:45:32 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Thanks, Mike!

We'll certainly keep "Miss Emme" in our thoughts and prayers.

Added: Saturday 26 May 2012 15:44:26 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

rumor : William Sadler --McG's dad---could be in IRON MAN 3 as whom , dunno. read that in superherohype.com

ben kingsley another rumor , he could play The Mandarin

Added: Saturday 26 May 2012 13:50:46 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Sorry, Hoosier, but your link did not work for me.

Mr. Mike comments: It worked for me. I have made it a clickable link now.

Added: Saturday 26 May 2012 13:31:26 MST


Submitted by: Mr.Mike
From: Vancouver

This sounds like a Nehemiah Persoff character line...

Added: Saturday 26 May 2012 12:40:29 MST


Submitted by: Russell
From: CA

does anyone remember which antagonist told McGarrett "you got no evidence McGarrett and when you got no evidence you got no crime"

Added: Saturday 26 May 2012 12:28:12 MST


Submitted by: Hoosiergirl
From: NapTown

Just saw this...last week Emme Tomimbang suffered an aneurysm and was hospitalized. She was doing the final edits of the special when it happened, but her team says they will finish it so it airs as scheduled on May 31st.

Details at the Star Advertiser...

bit.ly/KoHicT

Not sure if she is home yet or not, but wishing her a full and speedy recovery.

Added: Saturday 26 May 2012 11:17:47 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Rainbow, although I do not remember what the reaction to the show was, I can tell you this: I blame Congress for the Vietnam fiasco. Those boys went over in good conscience, believing their country needed them. Then, every time, they started to advance, Congress would tell them not to move across a certain parallel, etc. In effect, Congress sent those young men to war with sawed-off shotguns, for all the protection they had. Those Congressmen won't have to own up to their misdeeds here on earth, but they certainly will on Judgment Day. Lives were lost. Still more lives were ruined, no thanks to all that political malfeasance. It's a sad state of affairs when 40% of a nation's homeless are veterans. That was the statistic at one time; I don't know how accurate it is today. Of course, it's a sad state of affairs when such a wealthy country has any homeless, at all - sad and senseless.

Added: Friday 25 May 2012 11:20:02 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

I watched "To kill or be Killed" yesterday for the first time and I only have three words- Wow!....very powerful.

Since I was only three months old when this epsiode aired in January 1971, I'd like to ask those who were alive and old enough to remember, what was the critical and public reaction to this episode which dealt with very controversial and difficult issues at the time with courage and truthfulness. Was this episode much anticipated and talked about after it aired?

Looking back through the lens of history, it was very skillful how the Five-O writers combined two current issues of the day into one episode. They combined the My Lai Massacre with the event of many draftees who wanted to avoid their service and go to Canada, to avoid combat in Vietnam in one shockingly powerful show. Looking back now 41 years later, these issues so divided America, but now one can see that both sides were right. The young Americans that didn't want to fight in a war that was a mistake by the US to fight, have been proven to be right, that Vietnam wasted so many young American lives, but at the same time for all the Americans that went off to Vietnam and served their country, fought and died for their country, never lost a battle, and believed that they had to do their duty, the admiration and love that a nation has to hold for them is enormous. The effect that war had on them was shown so effectively in this episode that when the General says to Michael at the end "Then both of my sons are dead." that it is so tragically sad. The damage to a generation of Americans from that war is still being felt to this day. I always said that if I could go back in time and change two things it would be the death of JFK and the Vietnam War. Prevent those two things from happening and the world and the USA would be a much better place. To those who did serve in Vietnam, we owe you a debt that we can never repay you. Thank you for your service this Memorial Day Weekend.

Added: Friday 25 May 2012 09:25:51 MST


Submitted by: Billl K.
From: Detroit area

//Consult the sources I cited. That's what I went by in making that statement. All were cited in a research article on Five-0 as a planned effort to increase tourism in Hawai`i:

Biesen, Sheri Chinen. "Global narrative and exile culture in 'Hawaii Five-0'" in THE HISTORIAN, TELEVISION AND TELEVISION HISTORY (G. Roberts and P. M. Taylor, Eds.). University of Luton Press, 2001. pp. 77-94.

Dr. Biesen (College of Communications, Department of Radio, Television & Film, Rowan University, New Jersey) also cited papers left by Jack to the University of Southern California Cinema-Television Library. These papers include correspondence, budgets, and other documents that provide a wealth of information about Five-0.

If Dr. Biesen's sources are incorrect, then so, too, are mine. So be it! Trying to research Five-0 is an inexact science, at best, and a pathetic joke, at worst. Relying on movie magazines for research source material??? But we do the best we can with what VERY little we have.///

My sources are season 9 and season 10 episodes on DVD (earlier on VHS). Every season 9 episode ends with the credit:

Executive Producer
PHILIP LEACOCK

Roughly half (I haven't done a precise count): of season 10 episodes end with:

Executive Producer
DOUGLAS GREEN

Green evidently departed part way through the season because his name disappears. Fred Baum began the season with a "Produced by Fred Baum (Hawaii)" credit, then it was just "Produced by Fred Baum" (Green still present), and then after Green departs it's, "Supervising Producer Fred Baum." He'd have that title through season 11 and the very first episode of season 12 and then he's gone.

Added: Friday 25 May 2012 03:34:03 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Type-o. I meant, Big H! Sorry about that.

Added: Wednesday 23 May 2012 19:43:32 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

No, Bog H, you weren't imagining things, I did say that and I didn't post my thoughts yet. I'm writing now and will post them in a day or two. It's just that there's so much to write about, so I want to make sure I get it all down. Stay tuned ...

Added: Wednesday 23 May 2012 17:47:43 MST


Submitted by: big h
From: nc

Vrinda says "My thoughts on Scott Caan will be in another message, because I have a lot to say there..."

Did I miss those insights, Vrinda? I was looking forward to your thoughts on that topic, so I'll add my own. Can someone tell me WHAT is on top of Caan's head?? I mean, he puts JL's cement curl to shame. In one of the eps toward the end of the season, he was in an outdoor scene and you could tell that a gust came up, because his pomp "vibrated" like it was about to flop over, but it held. I certainly would not smoke near the dude for fear of his head igniting ala MJ on the Pepsi commercial!!!

But yeah, I would have to agree with Rainbow...someone needs to cuff that dude when he talks....the hands are everywhere.

Added: Wednesday 23 May 2012 14:39:11 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

Ringfire,

The main reason for the drop in ratings for season 8 was that CBS moved the series to Friday nights in the fall of 1975 in order to beat The Rockford Files in the ratings. That series had premiered the season before, and had been a ratings hit for NBC (one of NBC's few hits at the time). Both series were not in the top 30 for the season. The two series were competing for the same type of audience being crime shows, although they were different in tone and personality. This would explain why Five-O's ratings rebounded into the top 20 the next season when the series switched to Thursday nights.

Incidentally, while many TV critics would have disagreed, I would have watched Five-O any day over Rockford, which was a good series but too lightweight for my liking. That show emphasized humor to the point that you never really felt any suspense or drama when watching it, even while respecting the great acting talent of James Garner.

Added: Tuesday 22 May 2012 17:55:04 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

With regard to the Emme's Island Moments show which will have another look at Five-O/Five-0, someone on the Yahoo H50FC group e-mailed them regarding the show being released on DVD, and they replied as follows:

Sorry it won’t be streamed on the internet. This is not the premier of Hawaii 5-0 – rather the 1st broadcast in 2011 of Emme’s Island Moments – Hawaii 5-0 Revisited. We will have DVD for sale about the middle to the end of June. Please stay in touch, however we will try to remember to get back to you when they are available.

(No further information was supplied as to how one could get in touch with them.)

Added: Tuesday 22 May 2012 09:36:00 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Actually, I became quite angry as I read the woman's lofty ideas and grandiose verbiage. Maybe those pass for academic research in her field. But that's another issue.

I don't subscribe to Dr. Biesen's theory that Five-0 was planned as a means of boosting tourism in Hawai`i. Rather, I feel that the opposite is true. Len was a writer and producer, who thought it would be wonderful to set a program in Hawai`i (it was). Tourism came about, only in part, as a result of the show's immense popularity. Jack quoted a figure of 25% for the number of tourists who came as a result of watching the show. That is the gist of what every other source says about it. It is also what is logical.

After all, would any city build 10,000 hotel rooms on the hope that one TV show would consistently bring in enough visitors to fill them? Of course not! Five-0's success was the exception, not the rule. No one could have foreseen Five-0's impact on the islands and their economy. Not even Len's superb pre-production research and planning could have brought it about, although it certainly made Five-0 an outstanding program.

As for Miss Biesen's (Excuse me. MS. Biesen's) debate over whether Five-0 was authentically Hawaiian, since post-production was done in Hollywood, that is ridiculous! Of course, post-production was done in Hollywood, but that doesn't make the program any less Hawaiian than analogue vacation photographs are less Hawaiian if we send them to California to be developed.

Still, the professor cites quotes and research sources that have value to us. After all, the hardest part is learning where to look. Most interesting among them (for me) was learning about a collection of Jack's papers from Five-0 that are archived at the University of Southern California's film library. The papers include correspondence, budgets, and other items, which together, tell what producing a television program is really like. Something tells me that, if I ever get out there to read them, I'd better take a big bottle of Tylenol, because I'm going to develop a very bad headache.

Added: Tuesday 22 May 2012 03:58:42 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I managed to get a copy of this article referenced by H50 Forever below -- Biesen, Sheri Chinen. "Global narrative and exile culture in 'Hawaii Five-0'".

If you think my reviews of the show are anal-ytical, they have nothing on this. Although the article has some interesting facts about the show, it wallows in typical academic nonsense, finding hidden meanings where none exist ... except to those who get paid to do this for a living.

For example, here is a brief excerpt from the author's description of the main title sequence:

Cut to multiple Freudian shots of water, followed by a plethora of zooms of scenery, sculpture, countless beautiful "exotic" women, a young boy (possibly a gay reading?) [my emphasis - MQ], more "island" women, followed by another avant-garde truck/tracking shot at a "Dutch angle" with a fish-eye lens along the underbelly of a jet.

Added: Monday 21 May 2012 14:31:00 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Thanks, Rainbow Warrior. The source I used for the season-by-season ratings only had the top 20 for each season. I just found another source which has the top 30 for each season. I'm really surprised to see that the 8th season of the show didn't even make the top 30 (especially when the 7th season was at #10 and the 9th season was at #19). What's even more surprising is that the 10th season (when the quality really dipped) actually finished at #23. So it's really ironic that the 8th season didn't make the top 30. I wonder if there was some extreme competition that year or something. Because there really is no drop-off in quality between seasons 7 and 8 as far as I can see. They're about the same. Some have even claimed that 8 is superior to 7.

Then of course there is season 1 (my personal favorite) which didn't make the top 30. You'd think the Hawaiian scenery alone (most shows were set-bound at the time) would have pulled in the viewers in droves. I'm not even talking about some of the crackling episodes in that inaugural season. Or the double dose of Big Chicken. Or McGarrett being like a firecracker in that season!

Added: Monday 21 May 2012 12:00:43 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Thanks to Vrinda and H50 for their information on my question about the "infamous" TV Guide article "Jack Lord Super Star" column that came out in 1971. Fascinating posts on that by both and all.

Ringfire, you're posts below were probably the bests that I have ever read on this forum. Your post about Five-O's ratings during it's run was the most captivating, informative, and just plain thrilling thing that I have ever read here. It was a wealth of information on the ratings which I had wanted to know, all backed up by solid facts and figures and was a joy to read. Years ago, when I was a kid, I had looked at the ratings for the show, but had completely forgotten them and when I read your posts on the seasons and their ratings it was a welcome find. If I was in Philly, I'd buy you lunch! Great stuff!

Added: Monday 21 May 2012 06:53:48 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Thanks, H5O and L.B.,

Philip Leacock was a veteran British filmmaker, writer, director, and producer, both in England and the U.S., and British productions, up to that time, were not laced with violence right and left, either. They had the right blend of both character study, conflict, action, suspense, and violence. Maybe that was why Jack and CBS chose him to produce the show specifically.

That is also what I like about Hawaii Five-O. It wasn’t all action, and it wasn’t all talking, either. It blended both. The violence was not so over-the-top that it would have traumatized anyone who saw it. They didn’t have gunfights with semi-automatics, explosions, car chases ending crashes with blood and gore everywhere. Those elements didn’t exist on any show at that time. I think that was due in part to the network codes on violence, and also because explosions and car chases are expensive to produce. They were then, they are now.

I know Congress was coming down hard on TV networks in the late sixties. "The Wild Wild West” was canceled as a result of this in 1969. I know that CBS went after "Hawaii Five-O” for its violence content from the beginning. They only aired "No Bottles, No Can, No People,” once, I read. I could call it much ado about nothing, but given that violence in TV shows, on a whole, at that time, was nothing like now, and no one could have foreseen what it would be like in 2012, its understandable why Congress and TV networks considered the few shootings, stabbings, car chases, and fistfights that we saw every now and then to be enough to warrant stricter regulating.

However, there was no evidence linking all this violence to real-life crimes. It’s not as though kids watching "Hawaii Five-O” or "Starsky and Hutch” were going to imitate the gunfights and car chases they saw, or blow anything up. The family-friendly programming they wanted to implement was fine for earlier timeslots, not the whole primetime timeslots. They could have kept the more violent stuff from 9-11 pm.

Added: Sunday 20 May 2012 15:33:46 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

Vrinda,

That Leacock was brought in to tone down the violence around season 9 was interesting in its' timing. Although Season 9 was one of the series' best, this would explain in part why the quality decreased so much in Seasons 10-12. It was around this time in the mid-to-late seventies that network executives went on a crusade to decrease television violence and include more family oriented programming time slots (it is laughable now to look back and think that shows of that time period were too violent, but I digress).

One show of that era where this phenomenon was very apparent was Starsky & Hutch. The first two seasons of that series featured some theater style action and shootouts. Then, in season 3, the duo's friendship became emphasized more, and the action was toned down dramatically. This ruined the show, and it only ran more season after that (1978-1979).

Five-O had the right blend of action and mystery, and that's why in part that it ran longer than other crime dramas of the time. The series had some great action scenes, but I never thought the violence was ever off the deep end. I guess it must have been the times then if many people thought it was.

Added: Sunday 20 May 2012 13:58:28 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

That's probably accurate, Vrinda, because the networks were under a lot of pressure from non-violence factions (Congress, too, I believe) to dial back the violence. They said you couldn't show a gun being fired more than a certain number of times in an hour-long program (or something like that. I don't remember the specifics). If anyone has the specifics about this, I'd like to know what they are.

Added: Sunday 20 May 2012 13:49:37 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Thanks, Virginia.

I did read an interview with Jack, from the Boca Raton News, dated September 30, 1976, where Jack called Philip Leacock a "man of peace," who was brought onto the show to "tone down the violence the series is famous for and build character conflict instead."

Jack added that, "If it were up to network, everything related to violence would go, and then we wouldn't be a cop show."

It sounds like Leacock was brought in to bridge the gap between the violence that made this a cop show, and the violenceless show that CBS wanted, which would be unrealistic. They were trying to find a way so that both sides could have their cake and eat it, too.

Added: Sunday 20 May 2012 12:57:49 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Good points, Vrinda. In fact, after I wrote my last post, it occurred to me...

I believe Jack made that statement about no one else being shown as Executive Producer soon after Len's death. No doubt, he meant it when he said it. And in an emotional sense, if not a literal one, no one ever could or did replace Len Freeman.

As we know, Jack and everyone else in the cast and crew was growing weary after Season 9. In fact, in an interview at the end of Season 10 filming, Jack said he was going to ask the network to let Season 11 be the final season. Accordingly, it is entirely possible that he was given the assistance of Mr. Leacock, et al to help manage. Of course, all this is pure conjecture based on what little we know.

Added: Sunday 20 May 2012 11:35:47 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

It's not a pathetic joke, H5O. It's a fun passion. At least we're curious enough to want to find out this information, and we're fortunate that accurate information exists. Too bad too many people go by what the movie magazines say.

The way I took it, when you said that after Len's death, Jack took over as executive producer in role only, but didn't want to be credited as such, you were referring to time period after Len's death, in 1974, long before the tenth season started. When the tenth season rolled around, Leacock and Green came on board as executive producers. They had been on the show for five years each at that point, starting out as assistant directors, then working their way up to associate producers, then producers, and executive producers.

Added: Sunday 20 May 2012 09:05:44 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Consult the sources I cited. That's what I went by in making that statement. All were cited in a research article on Five-0 as a planned effort to increase tourism in Hawai`i:

Biesen, Sheri Chinen. "Global narrative and exile culture in 'Hawaii Five-0'" in THE HISTORIAN, TELEVISION AND TELEVISION HISTORY (G. Roberts and P. M. Taylor, Eds.). University of Luton Press, 2001. pp. 77-94.

Dr. Biesen (College of Communications, Department of Radio, Television & Film, Rowan University, New Jersey) also cited papers left by Jack to the University of Southern California Cinema-Television Library. These papers include correspondence, budgets, and other documents that provide a wealth of information about Five-0.

If Dr. Biesen's sources are incorrect, then so, too, are mine. So be it! Trying to research Five-0 is an inexact science, at best, and a pathetic joke, at worst. Relying on movie magazines for research source material??? But we do the best we can with what VERY little we have.

Added: Sunday 20 May 2012 02:58:19 MST


Submitted by: Bill K.
From: Detroit area

//After Len Freeman's death, Jack became the executive producer. At his own request, he was not so listed in the credits. He said that no one's name would ever replace Len Freeman's as executive producer in the credits, and it didn't.//

Not so. Philip Leacock got the executive producer credit for all of season 9. Leacock was listed as supervising producer in season 8. In both seasons, he also directed a couple of episodes.

Douglas Green got an onscreen executive producer onscreen credit for the first half, or so, of season 10. No executive producer credit (at least on screen) after that.

Added: Saturday 19 May 2012 20:54:28 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Honolulu

"Kimo..Wish I could come to see him. Maybe when I am there in September." Barbara, that would be fun. Maybe a li'l pa'ina with Don Stroud, Jimmy and Melveen Leed. We'll see if can.

Added: Saturday 19 May 2012 12:40:25 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

L.B., I too would like to know how the show fared in the Nielsens during those other seasons. I especially would like to know how it did during its first season since that is actually my favorite season. I love the freshness of that inaugural season! Also I find it hard to believe that the show didn't crack the top 30 (are you sure you don't mean the top 20?) during its 8th season. Especially since it was at #10 during the 7th season and #19 during the 9th season.

Added: Friday 18 May 2012 20:43:46 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

Speaking of Nielsen ratings, does anyone know what position that Five-O finished in for the 8th, 11th, and 12th seasons? I know that it didn't make the top 30 in those seasons, but was curious what its' actual position was.

Added: Friday 18 May 2012 19:04:06 MST


Submitted by: Otto
From: NYC

Tim O'Connor as Orwell: "If you've dropped anything, pick it up. If you've used anything, wipe it off. If you haven't dropped anything, if you think you haven't used anything, think again."

Quite a killer performance. In my top ten favorite episodes, i would imagine.

Added: Friday 18 May 2012 18:44:00 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Regarding Jack Lord having some concerns/worries going into season 4.... the show had just become a ratings smash during its third season - scoring a #7 for the 1970-1971 season in the Nielsen ratings. That was a huge rise from #19 where it sat during the 1969-1970 season. And of course it didn't even make the top 20 during its first season. But that was understandable - it was a brand new show and hadn't built up its fan base yet. But by the end of the 3rd season it was a huge ratings hit and naturally Jack and company wanted to ride that high wave (no pun intended) of success.

But then all of a sudden the powers that be at CBS decided to move MANNIX into Five-0's lucky Wednesday night 10pm timeslot for the 1971-1972 season. Five-0 got moved to the 8:30pm timeslot on Tuesday. So that's why Jack had some concerns. As it turns out Jack's concerns ended up being well-founded because MANNIX (which barely made it into the top 20 during its 8-year run) all of a sudden shot up into the #7 spot during the 1971-1972 season - where Five-0 had been the previous season. Five-0 in turn dropped to the #12 spot. Still not too shabby. But the move definitely seemed to hurt it some.

Ultimately though it just goes to show that when you have a superior product on your hands it doesn't matter which timeslot they stick you into. Because in the 1972-1973 season MANNIX completely dropped out of the top 20 while Five-0 soared to the amazing #3 spot in its Tuesday timeslot. It was second only to ALL IN THE FAMILY and SANFORD AND SON that season. And the 6th season still had the show flying high at the #5 spot. And a solid #10 during its 7th season. So no matter what timeslot they stick your show into if your show is good then the viewers will follow you wherever you go.

Ratings-wise Five-0's most successful seasons seemed to be its 5th season (#3), 6th season (#5), 3rd season (#7), 7th season (#10), 4th season (#12), 2nd season (#19), 9th season (#19). The other seasons didn't make the top 20.

Added: Friday 18 May 2012 14:45:54 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

cliffhanger week=
5-0==B minus

NCIS == A minus

NCIS LA===B

PERSON ON INTEREST===A+ what a sensational show!

monday , it's goodbye to dr. HOUSE
:!cry:

Added: Friday 18 May 2012 13:15:11 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Here are the sources cited in my immediately previous entry:

Bettelou, Peterson. "McGarrett's Still on the Beat" in The Detroit Free Press. April 4, 1979.

Reyes, Luis I. Made in Paradise: Hollywood's Films of Hawaii and the South Seas. Honolulu: Mutual Publishing, 1995, p. 319.

Scott, Vernon. "'Five-0' Rode in With Tide but it Still Hasn't Ebbed" in Memphis Press- Scimitar. September 30, 1978, p. 6.

Smith, Cecil. "'Hawaii Five-0': Crime Series in Lush Surroundings" in TV Times. Honolulu Edition, January 1, 1970.

Trumbull, Robert. "'Hawaii Five-0,' at Age 11, is an Island Institution" in The New York Times. February 11, 1979, p. 61.

Added: Friday 18 May 2012 13:10:25 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Yes, "Diamonds and a Heart" is a fantastic episode! Tim O'Connor and Paul Stewart were great as the partners in crime and our boys were always just a step behind them. The switcheroo that Orwell pulls on Lennox at the end is classic! Also this episode marked the first appearance of Don Ray's "caper theme" - or at least that's what I call it. I think Mr. Mike has this theme somewhere in his music archives. This theme would be used regularly from this point forward - usually when a caper was being planned or executed. Great piece!

Added: Friday 18 May 2012 11:42:00 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Re: Dwight Whitney’s remarks in Jack Lord, Superstar in TV Guide. September 4, 1971.

Not many people realized at the time that Jack was an interest owner in and a producer of the series. Officially, Len was the executive producer of the series. On a day-to-day basis, he was the boss in Hollywood. He selected scripts and guest stars, ensured that post-production work was completed on time, etc. Jack was the boss in Hawai‘i. He was concerned with getting the job done on time, cost overruns, personnel issues, etc.

After Len Freeman's death, Jack became the executive producer. At his own request, he was not so listed in the credits. He said that no one's name would ever replace Len Freeman's as executive producer in the credits, and it didn't. Instead, the credits began showing a Hollywood producer, someone who did the day-to-day chores that Len had done before.

The fact that Jack was also the star of the show created an awkward situation. Those who did not understand his full role in the production drew the conclusion that he was high-handed, egoistical, etc. Accordingly, it would seem that Dwight Whitney was unaware of Jack's owner interest in the show. Otherwise, it seems doubtful whether he would have made the comments that he did.

Added: Friday 18 May 2012 11:18:40 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Hi, Rainbow,

My thoughts on Scott Caan will be in another message, because I have a lot to say there.

On the subject of Dwight Whitney's TV Guide article, it was written to place Jack in a negative light, because nothing Jack said or did there was really anything that would warrant that kind of criticism. Whitney didn't need to write about the Friar's club skit, CBS going after Ben Wood for writing that they told him to only refer to Jack as the star and no one else, and that comment about the crewmembers only being there "for the bread." It sounded as though he was looking for things to pick on and make Jack look bad. The show as already into its third season by that point (the article might have been written at the beginning of it), so whatever was going on on the set, it had to have been working for the series to last up to then.

I agree with your remarks on the speech Jack gave. They were going into a new timeslot, so it was only natural and understandable that Jack give them that pep talk. Jack was a religious man, so he might have done a prayer at the beginning of each season. I know they had a Hawaiian priest come and do a blessing at the beginning of each season, which is what they do on the new show now as well. Jack would recite lines from a favorite poem of his, "Aloha Means I Love You," by Don Blandling (sp?) at the beginning of production of each season. It's interesting that Whitney conveniently had a quote from a cremember who found the speech sappy. Did this crewmember really go up to him and tell him that? It's too convenient. There might have been people who complimented Jack, but Whitney didn't give their comments.

He said that his evening with Jack were as "stiff and formal as a Kobuki play." What has he got against Kobuki plays? There was nothing about his meeting with Jack that even resembled a Kobuki play. He was simply sitting with Jack in his van, and Jack was granting him an interview, which is what Whitney came there to get. There was nothing Jack said or did there which was untowards Whitney, or could be considered rude, snobby, arrogant, or egotistical. I don't think Whitney even spoke to James MacArthur, Kam, or Zulu, though he claimed he did, and said they were all tight-lipped.

How this article slipped past the editors is a mystery. I know Whitney was TV Guide's LA Bureau chief at that time, but that didn't give him the right to write about someone in such a negative fashion. The elements he writes about meant to make Jack look bad were really things said and done by other people, and their opinions.

Added: Friday 18 May 2012 09:01:00 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I have updated episode five, the one where the "Kono goes to the dark side" arc is resolved.

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/2010-logtwo.htm#5

As to when I will re-view some of these shows where I have only given them a quick anal-ysis, the answer is "whenever I have time."

With show #5, once again there are plot points which require far too much thought.

I have decided, every time that I have to watch a show again to check out crap like this, the rating will likely drop by half a star.

By the way, I don't know if you have noticed that my file of reviews for season two is http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/2010-logtwo.htm. Following the format of the first season, it should really be http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/2010-log1.htm, but "log2" was already taken by the parody "next" season -- http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/2010-log2.htm. Maybe I didn't have confidence that the show would really get to season two! :D

Added: Friday 18 May 2012 08:39:54 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

L. B.

It's not just you, I find Scott Caan extremely annoying, oh the heck with it, I can't stand the way he plays his character. When AOL left to go into rehab, and Caan had to carry the show and play it straight, I liked him because he was serious, but his interpretation of the character is so bad that it makes me wish the showrunners would fire him, and take a page from the old soap opera days when they hired a new actor to play the same character and a voice over narrator would intone "The role of Danny Williams is now being played by...."....I agree with your whole post as well, as I really enjoy Kim and Park in their roles.

I watched "Ten Thousand Diamonds and a Heart" a few days ago and what a masterpiece. It was such a tightly paced, intricately written script with meticulous detail that it was spell binding. The amount of work that the writers had to put in for this show must have been enormous, but at the same time it was easily followed by the viewer and it was an intimate show in some way. This episode was Five-O at it's best with great acting... "I'd like to say I can't believe it, but.....I can't believe it!"...."This is getting to be a habit Orwell."

Finally, I read the "infamous" Jack Lord Super Star TV guide article from Mike's archives from back in 1971 and I'm curious if Vrinda, Mike, Ringfire, H50, or whoever can answer this definitively. I know they said the writer was drunk on the set when he came to visit and had a axe to grind, but how much of what he wrote was actually true? For example, the crew member saying that the Jack Lord speech and prayer before they started the 1971-1972 season was "embarrassing, because we're just here for the bread." sounds made up by the author to me. I would think that if the show was moved from it's original successful Wednesday night time slot to the tougher Tuesday night slot that many who had worked on the show from the beginning would have welcomed Lord's rally the troops effort, because thy had invested so much in the show?

Added: Friday 18 May 2012 08:27:23 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

Kimo..Wish I could come to see him. Maybe when I am there in September.

Added: Friday 18 May 2012 06:47:50 MST


Submitted by: kimo
From: honolulu

Jimmy borges appears this month on the 31st I think in emmies island moments episode covering jimmys Hawaii five o appearances, then and now. Looking forward to it!

Added: Friday 18 May 2012 01:19:10 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

In addition to the comparisons of AOL and Lord, is it just me or are there others that find Scott Caan annoying as Danno? I'm not just talking about the carguments, which are silly beyond belief. Caan's character acts like he knows all the answers and that the world would be a better place if everyone just agreed with him. I liked MacArthur's interpretation of the character better because he acted more like a second in command would (respectful of his boss, able to lead the department on cases when necessary). I don't think Jack Lord would have put up with Caan's Danno for more than a few seconds.

I must say however that I like Daniel Dae Kim and Grace Park as Chin and Kono respectively, although not any more than Kam Fong or Zulu. Kim in particular plays his part very well in my view, and Grace Park is miles ahead of the only other woman on the previous team (Sharon Farrell). Both of these actors could have fit well on the original series. It is unfortunate that the original writers did not make better use of Zulu because he proved in his nightclub act that he could do a lot more than just say "Yes Boss, No Boss".

Added: Thursday 17 May 2012 19:55:50 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Yeah, I just can't see AOL uttering classic and powerful lines like "I want them, Danno! I want Mazzini's killers so badly I can taste it!" No waaay, bay-bee!!! Only Jackie-boy could do that!! When he said those lines you had shivers go down your spine.

Added: Thursday 17 May 2012 13:56:43 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

so mike what about the "to be expanded on" reviews you hope to redo this season? hope to see more of your review of the ed asner one. that was a terrific ending!

Added: Thursday 17 May 2012 13:48:58 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Mike's comments about being confused over the coach storyline remind me of the introduction to the old sit com "Soap." Each week, they began with a brief rehash of what had happened the week before, then concluded with the line, "Confused? You won't be after you watch tonight's episode." The problem with 2.1 is that watching the next week's episode doesn't clarify much. We're still confused.

The analogy to cotton candy is a good one. It does disappear - and quickly. It doesn't even stay in our minds long enough for us to digest it.

Added: Thursday 17 May 2012 09:19:53 MST


Submitted by: Adana
From: NH

I have made it to season 11 and while it has been fun watching all the seasons once again after so many years I am noticing a drastic change. I don't think it's just due to the fact that so many regulars have left the show but I get the impression that there is so much more focus on McGarrett than anyone else and the parts Duke and Danno play have been reduced to mostly taking orders from McGarrett.
Now were I am much older - by the time I was old enough to watch the show I attended high school in Germany watching the show dubbed into German - I have a different understanding and appreciation of Hawaii Five-O.
Otherwise I still love it the same as before.

Added: Thursday 17 May 2012 07:03:30 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Confused!

I was watching episode 5 last night. This is the one where Frank Delano is finally taken down and there are lots of complications for Kono.

In this episode the volleyball coach is murdered. One other review of this show said that he was murdered and ROBBED. I don't recall hearing this, though this would be a clever idea on the part of whoever murdered him to make it look like a robbery. Probably this was one line that was mumbled by some character which escaped me.

But why was the coach murdered in the first place? Because he was having an affair with the wife of the guy who owned the house where he was living, and he had hidden this wife in a motel, and the bad guys figured that if they killed the coach, it would make the wife resurface, because she had cleaned out her husband's bank account of all the money that he had laundered (and stolen) from the bad guys? Do I sound confused?

Oh yeah, it was never revealed why the coach was living in the rich guy's house in the first place. Was this list a charitable gesture on his part considering all the work that coach did for the local community or something?

Added: Thursday 17 May 2012 06:45:12 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

I like the analogy given by several that AOL's version of McGarrett is more of an action hero than a detective, like Jack Lord's version of the character. Lord preferred to outwit you, not outgun you, though he could when necessary. This is why many episodes ended with "Book 'em Danno" rather than the villain being killed.

Along these lines, it is interesting to me that the two most notorious villains on the new series, played by Mark Dacascos and James Marsters, have played their parts more like a villain that Jack Lord would have faced. Both are excellent with confrontational scenes, as well as with action scenes. I would have loved to have seen either of them matching wits with Lord's McGarrett. While it is safe to say they wouldn't have stole any scenes from Lord, either would have been a tough foe for him.

As for action scenes, generally any show running now will have more electrifying action scenes than one that ran mostly during the 1970s. But that doesn't make them necessarily better. The original series set up ending battles with better stories and dialogue that made them more intense and memorable. The bad guys were bad to the point that it was a real treat to see them get their comeuppance. It appears that the new series sometimes wants to just skip things such as plots and character development and just settle the matter with violence at the end. Furthermore, the original's endings were just as entertaining sometimes when there wasn't much of a confrontation (think about "One Big Happy Family" in 1973).

Added: Wednesday 16 May 2012 20:03:01 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Comment from a friend, what do you think?

Lenkov's show is like cotton candy, it tastes good on occasion, has no redeeming nutritional value whatsoever, and completely evaporates after a few seconds.

Added: Wednesday 16 May 2012 19:29:40 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Re: KD's remark, "He isn't intelligent and largely uses brawn not brain."

In the words of the GREAT McGarrett, "Exactly! Exactly!" And this guy is supposed to be an Annapolis grad???

Added: Wednesday 16 May 2012 15:39:23 MST


Submitted by: KDMCG
From: Somewhere out there

I hear you. The new MCG is just an action hero and lacks depth; Mark and others steal the scenes from him. He isn't intelligent and largely uses brawn not brain. It would be nice to see them evolve MCG to become more in-charge and serious. I get the ohana dynamics-showing them as a family but it gets too syrupy at times. We get the bromance so let's move on lol. I find the carguments annoying and would prefer they use that time for plot. The original is still a classic and will never be surpassed. I mean, there will never be any memorable dialogue from this show whereas the original had many moments which to this day are quotable such as: "don't you ever call me cop..." and my fave "Private Joe Cruz....returned to Honolulu for R and R..found stabbed to death in an alley..yes sir I know it we are on it.." "the merchants retailing s... drugs and gambling might even march to the palace." Classic confrontations and speeches. They have emasculated MCG to a certain degree and as I have said before the show is a parody for a new generation... :!mad: :D

Added: Wednesday 16 May 2012 14:52:25 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: Act your age!!

Continuing the "stong woman on old 5-0" thread (like I said, I'm trying to get caught up)....how about Marj Dusay as the undercover agent in 24-Karat Kill?? I think her character was Andrea Dupree? (Is that last name correct?) I really like the way she put Johnny Fargo (played by Kaz Garas) in his place....and she really ticks him off during the "negotiation scene" for the price of the gold....

I do hope they find a way to right her in to 5-0 2.0...this show could need a lift...

Added: Wednesday 16 May 2012 14:11:44 MST


Submitted by: Bill K.
From: Detroit area

Re: Mr. Lucky screen capture.

On the right side we have William Smith and Ross Martin. Martin was a series regular on Mr. Lucky, playing Mr. Lucky's sidekick. (Andamo, maybe?). Like Peter Gunn, it also sported a Henry Mancini theme.

Added: Wednesday 16 May 2012 14:10:19 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

More scoop on what will happen next season:

There will be an ugly court battle where Rachel will finally see the light about staying in Hawaii, being with Danno, thinking of the welfare of Gracie, etc., etc. As a result, Rachel and Stan will get divorced.

Mrs. Fryer (who didn't get any screen time in the season two finale) will want revenge against the bad guys for knocking off her hubby. Being lonely, she meets Stan via a dating line, and the two of them get together.

Mrs. Fryer tries to pull off some [insert totally outrageous and implausible action here], but ends up getting arrested by Five-0. As a result, Stan is furious, because Five-0 has locked up his new GF, and he hates Danno's guts too. So he plots to blow up Five-O HQ.

(Thanks to Hermano of C/H/Q Paper Products for his help with the above.)

Failing the above, and Rachel, Stan and Gracie >do< move to Nevada (why would they move >there<?), they will have some spin-off in the tradition of NCIS, Law and Order, CSI, etc. called Las Vegas [some number]-0 with Danno -- who follows them to that city -- as the boss of the investigative unit there. This new franchise will have numerous crossovers with the Hawaii show.

Added: Wednesday 16 May 2012 13:28:17 MST


Submitted by: Elaine
From: Watertown, MA, USA

Just a quickie. My sister brought home word that David McCallum has signed a contract for another two years on NCIS, so I guess I was wrong; he didn't die in the last episode of NCIS, but it sure looked like he had...so I am very happy that Ducky will b around another two years to provide wise council to all.

Mr. Mike, I like very much your take on Kono! I think the shark biting the duct tape to free her is right on! But you forgot to include the part where, after bopping the Tiger shark on the nose, a nearby dolphin intervenes and rams the shark, killing it. The dolphin had escaped from the Navy's Underwater Weapons Research Facility on Oahu (it was tired of planting mines on the hulls of ships, see) and was looking for a pod of wild dolphins to join, but found Kono, instead. Kono, with the aid of Flipper, makes her way back to shore! When she tells Adam what Baldwin's henchman did to her, Adam loses it and takes out Baldwin, his mob and, just to even the score, Wo Fat. How's that for house-cleaning?

Added: Wednesday 16 May 2012 13:00:22 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

trust me mike and fans: Superman will make an appearance and rescue Kono. Believe me!

Mike , seriously, i have the man to play , if there is a Frank Vachon in season 3! Christopher Lambert! i didn't know he was in the NCIS LA finale last nite and --shocker--he was good and evil! yes i did see that finale + gibbs' NCIS finale and those cliffhangers were good (Ducky! oh no! :!cry: )

why not Lambert for season 3. V For Vachon? it's Highlander! cause "therrre keen onleeee beeeeee wuuuuuun!"

Added: Wednesday 16 May 2012 12:49:11 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Hi, KD!

I've been reading everyone's posts on here about the season finale, but can't put in my two cents because I haven't seen it yet. On the subject of AOL's portrayal of McGarrett, however, I do agree that it leaves a lot to be desired. He does action scenes well, but that isn't all that makes for good acting. In the dramatic scenes, he falls flat.

That was where Jack Lord thrived. It wasn't just shooting, punching, kicking, blowing things up, and running things over where he was concerned. He established the character with his words, presence, the values his character had, and the way he did his job. He made the bad guys cower just by speaking to them, because his command of presence and conviction when he spoke was so strong. Jack brought the lines from the script to life and by doing so, he made Steve McGarrett all the more believable. McGarrett had certain values - dedication, loyalty, honesty, integrity, belief in the justice system, honor, and bravery - and Jack did his best to convey those values when he delivered his lines and in his actions. These were all things written by the writers, of course, and the directors gave him direction, but in the end, Jack had to take those scripted words and those directors' instructions and use them to make a character come to life, which no one else could do for him. That's the actor's charge, and their greatest challenge. That's where their true talent is seen.

Jack did bring much of his own personality into the role as time went on, which is natural, and in the beginning, he stuck more to the McGarrett that the writers put on paper, and the change in McGarrett's personality evolved as Jack began to meld his real-life personality traits with those of McGarrett - some of which were already present and identical, and some of which Jakc added. Jack chose to play Steve McGarrett because it was a character in which he believed and could identify, and he was able to portray him so closely to his real self because of it, and that's what made his performance so memorable and convincing. That's called talent and that's what made Jack Lord an actor.

There are those idiots who criticize his acting and how he played McGarrett (you've seen the asinine comments), but those people never paid attention to him and can't recognize personality traits and emotions when they see them. That's their fault and their loss, but they blame it on Jack and his acting instead, making them sound so pathetic.

Alex O'Loughlin has potential and can do more, but his McGarrett is written more as an action hero, rather than a police officer with different dimensions to himself and his dedication to his job. Alex doesn't even try to establish himself as McGarrett with the scenes he gets. That's how Marc Dacascos and the other guest stars can steal the scene from him each time. As a result, it makes it hard for Alex to make the character as endearing as Jack did. The new show can have its money, ratings, and fanbase, and the fans can sing its praises for as long as CBS keeps it on the air but, in the end, when I hear the name "Steve McGarrett," I know who that is. It'll never be Alex O'Loughlin. It'll always be Jack Lord.

Added: Wednesday 16 May 2012 11:43:23 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Chew on this...

>If they save her unrealisticlly, they will have reached their "jump the shark moment" already.

I was just thinking, as Kono sinks to the bottom of the ocean, a SHARK appears (preferably one with really big, sharp teeth). Kono, being an expert on everything in the water, manages to manipulate her hands so the shark's teeth cut the duct tape or rope which are binding them just as he is about to make her into dinner (or an hors d'oeuvre, considering how skinny she is). Then Kono punches the shark in the nose (I think that is the default method of pissing off a shark and making it go away), and surfaces where her BF Noshimuri will be nearby.

Added: Wednesday 16 May 2012 10:43:10 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I checked out the scene where this Karl Herlinger guy, the evil Toothpick dude, appears in Lion in the Streets. This scene is very short, and is shot from across the street, so even if you blow the picture up 4X (the maximum on my Blu-Ray player), you still cannot see the characters clearly! There is some dialog with the young kids, but I don't know if Herlinger specifically has any.

Added: Wednesday 16 May 2012 10:14:29 MST


Submitted by: KD MCG
From: Hello Barbara and others...

Here are the twists/arcs

A. Malia
B. Kono
C. Shelburne
D. HPD siege
E. Intro of new villain
F. Grace possibly leaving/contest

Way too much. And, why did we have to jail Wo Fat so early on? I am convinced he will be let out. It seems that they have used up potential plot devices which could have been done on an episodic level. Of course, these hooks guarantee viewers for Season three.

Added: Wednesday 16 May 2012 10:09:18 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I think the first 6 seasons of the old show were absolute 24-karat gold. That was the show at its peak. It's almost impossible for me to choose between those 6 seasons - I love them equally. But if I really had to I'd probably pick 1, 3, and 5 as the absolute best! My two favorite episodes, however, come from seasons 4 and 6 - "Rest in Peace, Somebody" and "Hookman".

Added: Wednesday 16 May 2012 09:42:47 MST


Submitted by: KD MCG
From: hello vrinda and friends...

Let me weigh into the finale. Way way too many arcs. I did like the finale-some of it predictable and some not so. For example, knew that Shelburne would be his mom and it will probably transpire that Joe is his real Dad :P Did I miss something? One moment, I saw that villain eyeing Kono and the next Chin was breaking out a convict-the "immunity and means" was for the task-force set up by the previous Governor and on that note WHERE is he?

I applaud AOL's return-he looked well rested and wish him luck. He had some good moments, however (Lenkov please note) we don't need carguments during a serious moment. Please please experiment without and see what happens. Overall, I liked this episode but was overwhelmed by the storyline arcs; Jack Lord always played it better. AOL isn't him-nobody can be.

Added: Wednesday 16 May 2012 09:37:12 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: California

>I think the problem with the new show in this regard is
>that it has the old show to compare to, where the plots
>were almost all logical, with a few exceptions.

I am sort of baffled by the stupidity of this show and its plots, actors, stupid emotions and shallow relationships and yet at CBS, same channel, there is another COP show "Blue Bloods" that is totally the opposite -- believable human drama and relationships, moral issues dealt with, family issues and struggles, etc. When you watch Blue Bloods, you lose all desire to watch Hawaii Five-0, and you see how ridiculous this show is. It is not about good plots and good writing, but about trying to woo-wow you (like that stupid Chevy ad "Feel the action"--gimme a break!) in brainless, idiotic fashion.

This program is sort of an insult to my intelligence. I watch it more for the scenes of Hawaii (I have been there 7 times) more than for anythng else.

Added: Wednesday 16 May 2012 08:18:26 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Since I had nothing to do prior to the season finale, I re-anal-yzed episode #4 from this season, which you can see here:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/2010-logtwo.htm#4

In doing so, I found a big gap in the plot (see last "trivia" item).

Aside from the useless addition of Lori to the team, this season was marked by the writers creating the most convoluted plots possible. Personally, I can't stand these, because you have to "think about them hard," assuming you are used to TV shows which make sense.

However, I am no expert on this, because I have watched very little TV in the last 10 years or so, other than "24," and a few serial type shows like Breaking Bad, Dexter, Californication, and Justified. "24" stretched credibility all over the place -- but then I don't think we were ever expected to consider this show on a "realistic" level.

I think the problem with the new show in this regard is that it has the old show to compare to, where the plots were almost all logical, with a few exceptions.

Added: Wednesday 16 May 2012 07:24:29 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Barbara and Elaine:

Thanks for your opinions on Grace Park. If she is coming back, I'm happy, but the way they save her better be realistic. If they save her unrealisticlly, they will have reached their "jump the shark moment" already. If they go the Dallas route with "Bobby's alive, it was all Pam's bad dream."-meaning totally ludicrous like that, I may be done with it for good.

I'm watching season three of the old show right now, and I agree that it may be the old show's best. Last week, I watched "Paniolo" for the first time, and I was blown away by the location photography, the beauty of the episode, the solid acting, and the stunning finish that made you think. Season three of the old show is so good, that I'm sad that I only have nine episodes left before I move on to season four.

Added: Wednesday 16 May 2012 07:23:57 MST


Submitted by: Elaine
From: Watertown, MA, USA

This is a stream of consciousness post, so I'll apologize in advance! I waited a couple of days to make a comment about the HF-zero cliffhanger because I wanted to think about it....yes, to think about a show that one should not think too hard about, to paraphrase Mr. Mike.

Okay...some of it was okay....but again, I found it to be just too unrealistic for words. First, how did Max know it was a woman who shot Fryer? I couldn't hear the dialogue very well, but he simply followed a blood trail...then got shot....

The whole thing with the chase inside HPD was absurd in the extreme! I don't know about other police stations, but here in my town, you cannot just drive in or walk into our local station...the security is too high. After 911, there aren't too many public office buildings where people can just come and go as they please, if you get my drift! I found it unbelievable that with all the officers in the station, and security cameras, etc. the hooded killer could evade detection for as long as she did....and then to just happen to have a wrench or tool to disconnect the gas piping....well, that's far-fetched, just like all the rest of it. I personally don't carry a hacksaw around with me! Quite an explosion but that's nothing special. All the cliffhangers this year have major pyrotechnics...more drammatic that way.

The rest of it was stupid....releasing the Baldwin character from Halawa just like that....with the writers giving a throw-away line that Five-O has this immunity thing going. Fat chance, Bruddas. When Chin turned his gun over to Baldwin, I couldn't believe that. There was nothing to stop Baldwin from killing Chin right then and there, oh, but he wanted a different kind of revenge for being a bad cop and getting away with it....Pullessse!

Dumping someone into the ocean 2 miles from shore, tied and gagged, would perhaps be curtains for any normal person, but we must remember that Kono is a champion surfer and the sea is like a second home to her. I suspect that she will survive. I don't understand why the villain didn't shoot her...Baldwin said one of them will die...so Malia is obviously going to be exiting...even though he lied and she was left injured and bleeding to death.... Wow...how could Chin believe for a moment, that Baldwin would let either of them live?

Boy I wish I had the kind of job where I could just jump on a plane and go to Japan at a moment's notice...leaving all my responsibilities behind. McGarrett and White on their own mission and Danno dealing with custody and not getting McGarrett's cell message....too many extraneous plots, too much to cram into a forty minute episode....bottom line, I thought it was pretty bad overall....but then I guess, we're not supposed to think about these things....whereas in the original series, the plots made sense and the viewer was with the team every step of the way, following their investigation and believing in their ability to book the baddies in the end.

A quick comparison. Watched NCIS last night and that was one of the most intense epsiodes I've ever seen. Had me on the edge of my seat the whole hour. Great writing, great acting and sadly....the end? of Ducky (Dr. Donald Mallard). No one saw that one coming! I almost cried when the scene ended with him lying on the beach. The villain was believable and methodical and deadly and always one step ahead of the team....but what a team they are! Unlike the five-o foursome...they all seem to have their own agendas.

Enough said! Enough. On the form to date, I don't feel that HF-zero deserved to be renewed for a third season. It's just not that good....sad....very sad that in two seasons they still haven't figured out how to put together a good show...

Aloha

Added: Wednesday 16 May 2012 06:02:17 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

"Can you identify them?"

Ross Martin & William Smith - A LION IN THE STREETS

Added: Tuesday 15 May 2012 20:29:54 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

This screen shot is from a 1960 episode of the TV show "Mr. Lucky," created by Blake Edwards. Two of the characters in this scene later worked together on the same Hawaii Five-O show. Can you identify them?

Added: Tuesday 15 May 2012 19:53:31 MST


Submitted by: Rush
From: Colorado

I'm not sure what other people are seeing in the last two shows but I am concerned that 5-O is becoming very predictable. There is a reason why ER, in the beginning, was so good. It was plausible, realistic. The last two 5-O shows are not. I am not a dumb viewer and dislike CBS for making me feel so. The characters are likable and interesting but the subplots are elementary. Latest show, when a crime scene is "clear" it usually means looking behind a dumpster 10 feet away, not having the "morgue doctor" finding the shooter. I am feeling stupid for watching big explosions in a basement that explode on the front lawn of the Hawaii PD. I really hope the writers starting working and stop relying on a "past TV" show. Get it together. :!cry:

Added: Tuesday 15 May 2012 18:51:45 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Re: "...how Jack Lord played it at a higher level."

How right you are, LB!

Added: Tuesday 15 May 2012 16:04:00 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

After the last two episodes, I am hoping that the new Five-O is turning a corner in terms of quality. These two stories were better than most of what we have seen previously. It is noteworthy that many here felt season three of the original series was its' best and where you could tell the cast and crew had really hit their stride. Hopefully, history will repeat itself with the third season of the new series this fall.

Although this may be the norm with police series now, I wish that the writers would have fewer story arcs that last several episodes, fewer side sagas like Danny's wife and child, and less cliffhanger endings like in last night's episodes. These kind of things may help with ratings now (particularly with the third season premiere), but will hurt the series in reruns or DVD viewing years later. For example, one will want to fast forward past any scenes involving Danny and his ex-wife, the Lori character, or the first governor years later because we will know how all that turned out. This is why the original series is still entertaining so many years later. Even though I have seen every episode at least once, the stories keep drawing you back again because you may forget the details of how each case unfolded. Not having to remember which girlfriend each team member was dating at the time or problems they were having away from work is refreshing and helps one to relax and just be entertained for an hour.

While I like the new series, the one thing to me that elevates the original series was Jack Lord's portrayal of McGarrett. While AOL is probably better at performing action scenes, conveying strength in a character isn't all just about beating people up or using rough interrogation techniques. Verbal confrontations such as when JL's McGarrett told Honore Vashon that he and his father were what killed the younger Vashon and not his bullet or when he sparred with Chin Ho's killer in his office were just as entertaining as many of the fistfights and shootouts. The scene where Wo Fat sits down at McGarrett's table at the restaurant in the new series always comes back to me. AOL did fine with the scene, but left us wanting more. As capable an actor as he is, Dacascos might have been looking for a place to cry after that scene had Jack Lord been sitting across the table. These points are not an indictment of AOL's interpretation of McGarrett, but rather examples of how Lord played the role at a higher level.

Added: Tuesday 15 May 2012 15:33:39 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

we gotta wait like 4 mos now for season 3 :!mad:

Added: Tuesday 15 May 2012 15:00:40 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: California

Nothing about this episode was believable--NOTHING. From the first moments to the last ones. Woman escapes into HPD HQ, blows up building, no one gets killed, ex-cop gets out of jail so fast, SM goes of to Japan AGAIN like he has no boss or report to Govenor, the whole SM/Wo Fat/Shelbourn thing is so unbelievable, etc., etc,

It's a shame that a nice place like Hawaii is associated this worldwide TV nonsense.

Added: Tuesday 15 May 2012 14:06:32 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

sigh

the cliffhanger bit, i dunno.

so GP coming back?

unless somebody saves her, maybe toothpick man gets a call from delano and is told , go in the water and get her!

or maybe Superman comes out of the blue and rescues Kono! yeah!

still

i dunno.

the 1st 43 mins was wow!

someone wrote on BLUE BLOODS here: this is the 2nd year in a row, no cliffhanger. a happy ending--rare. BLUE will come back of course.

Added: Tuesday 15 May 2012 13:33:26 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

Rainbow.....Kono's not going anywhere. "Death in the Family" doesn't refer to Fryer. I think it refers to Malia who will die in the Season 3 opener.

Mr. Mike.....As much as I love Jean Smart, making her "twin sister" be McGarrett's mother wouldn't work. McGarrett worked so much with the governor that surely he would have noticed the resemblance, don't ya think?

H50 1.0 Forever.....I have sent about 100 tweets (well, maybe 4) to Peter Lenkov suggesting that he use Marj Dusay in ANY capacity, but particularly to play Mrs. McGarrett even if it was in flashbacks. She would be the perfect choice, especially if she turns out to be Shelburne. She can be vulnerable, loving, etc. as Mamma McGarrett but steely and in-charge if the Shelburne character turns out to be that way. That is IF she is Shelburne. Remember...Steve said "Mom" when the door was opened. So is Mom really Shelburne or did she just open the door and the real Shelburne was in the room with her?

Further speculation.....If Mrs. McG is really Shelburne and Shelburne supposedly killed WoFat's dad, could Momma McGarrett have been WoFat's mom and killed the dad (her husband) for whatever reason? This would make Steve and WoFat brothers or half-brothers depending on if John McGarrett or WoFat's dad is really Steve's dad. Did that make sense?

Added: Tuesday 15 May 2012 13:32:55 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: California

This series and its episodes is just too unrealistic, unbelievable. Plots are too far-fatched. This ia all fantasy dreaming. Another new CBS cop show, "Blue Bloods" is 100x more enjoyable and realisitc to watch

Added: Tuesday 15 May 2012 12:25:31 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Mike: " ... though how would Chin have Adam's cel phone number or whatever on >his< phone?"

In the previous episode, Kono told Chin she had Adam's cell phone number on her cell phone, which was met with great ire from Chin. Maybe Kono gave Chin the number then?

Added: Tuesday 15 May 2012 11:36:58 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Season 3 spoilers already in the works!

bit.ly/KYLSg0

Added: Tuesday 15 May 2012 11:22:12 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Thinking too hard now!

So who pumped Malia full of lead or caused her serious bodily injury? Was it the evil Toothpick dude? He was seen stalking Kono prior to kidnapping her, so how can he be in two places at once? Or maybe he shot Malia prior to kidnapping Kono, but then when we saw the live video of Kono and Malia on the split screen via Delano's laptop (what a geeky guy he is!) and Malia seemed to be still alive and well at that point. (BTW, Kono was allegedly talking to her BF Adam Noshimuri on the phone as she arrived at her house, joking about being tied up with duct tape, I wasn't paying too much attention at that point, because my fingernails were already chewed to my elbows with the suspense.)

Speculation is that Adam will rush to Kono's rescue in the first show of next year either because Kono called him prior to being kidnapped and/or Chin Ho called Adam to alert him (thus not betraying Delano's warning about contacting HPD), though how would Chin have Adam's cel phone number or whatever on >his< phone?

Added: Tuesday 15 May 2012 11:17:25 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Rainbow, you are spot on. That is exactly what's wrong with the remake. I hope the suits are paying attention.

Mike, please don't bring back Jean Smart. You need a stronger character to be AOL's mother. Try Marj Dusay.

One more nomination for strong women: Amanda McBroom's Officer Sandy Wells. She was young, yet she had moxie. I suggested earlier that she should have been given the role of Lori Wilson in Season 12. Sadly, as someone pointed out, she was otherwise engaged at that time. She, Duke Lukela, Truck Kealoha, and Kimo Carew would have been a fine team.

Added: Tuesday 15 May 2012 11:12:57 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Okay, Mike fair enough. I'll accept that explanation.

As for the show, I do agree with your comments about last night's show pretty much 100%. The new show has shown great improvement, but it is still in the category as you said "don't think too hard about it too much, because it starts to be ridiculous." I do think that last night's show was sort of a "clean up our mistakes from the past year and set a course correction for the future to get better." I think they are finaly starting to get a feel for what they want the show to be, but still are in the process of tweaking and improving the product two years in. Case in point, Sizemore gets killed off, Max's character is being developed more, earlier they get rid of Lori, but my two main complaints are this. The refusal to get rid of the banter between Danny and McGarrett, and I'm concerned that they are moving into "Lost" territory with the McGarrett family storyline as the big reveal at the end shows. It seems like they are cramming so much into the new show that they still don't seem to have an identity or real narrative for what they want the show to be. Is it 24? Is it Lost?( The McG family storyline) is it a modern day cop drama, a throwback police drama, or as some who have criticized the show have said a spoof of the original show, or cop dramas in general? I'll say it again it needs to find consistency week in and week out and then that turns into greatness. Great shows aren't great every week, they have some stinkers in them, but the tone is the same, and that's what they need. So, I agree with your comments and I do hear Elaine's frustration with the new show and consider her criticism to be valid. In my experience, it seems to me that there are alot of network executives and many consultants and producers with their hands in this, because it has the feel of too many cooks in the kitchen. It has shown great improvement, but they still need to find the show's "voice"

One of the reasons that I understand Litto's lawsuit and I'm on his side is that he had real solid plans for a great movie franchise for Five-O that would have been exciting to see bear fruit, and to see that fall by the wayside for the new show was disappointing.

Finally, I have read all the posts below, and still no definitive answer. Is Grace Park leaving the show?....realistically if she isn't, it's going to be hard to have a scenerio where she survives what happened at the end.

Added: Tuesday 15 May 2012 10:13:54 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

I am far behind and working to get caught up so my apologies to the group for asking things from 2 weeks ago. Regarding the crossover, does anyone agree with me that it was the lousiest crossover that I have wasted 2 hours of my life upon? I mean, how many times did you ask yourself "shouldnt' they be wearing masks?" Does it really muffle the sound that much? (Mr. Mike, can't they (sound engineers) re-dub the clear voiceovers later, or is that too expensive?) Besides, why did the 5-0s go to the mainland? They were totally excluded and really unneeded, IMO. And another thing--did I go get a drink and miss it when they consulted the Hawaiian or California governors that a deadly virus outbreak was imminent??

Concerning the WoeFat ep last week, again, falling into Mr. Mike's "don't-think-about-it-too-hard" category, here's WO, the most elusive criminal on the planet,-- and he watches the A-team drive up down below his high rise apt, so he sits down and waits for them (what, so he can experience the luxury of Halawa Correctional??) But then, he puts up the fight of his life against McG later in the jungle?? :!mad:

Elaine....I have seen the Untouchables ep "Jake Lingle Killing" which you mentioned and you are 100% spot on!!....a very forceful performance by JL indeed. He doesn't take any guff from anybody--the mob boss he is working for, or even Ness. IMO he really upstaged Robert Stack in that ep, which was hard to do. It was classic shades of McG and it just reinforces the fact that JL was the ONLY choice when casting McG.

Added: Tuesday 15 May 2012 10:10:29 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

About Mrs. Fryer:

Maybe her scenes were filmed, but cut out for whatever reasons?

Added: Tuesday 15 May 2012 10:02:08 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Pretty funny: As Hermano from C/H/Q pointed out to me in an e-mail, when Joe White was saying that "Max was a hero," Max replied, "I'm not a hero." But he >was< a "hero," i.e., "Hiro" in "Heroes." (LOL)

Guessing has started as to who should play Mrs. McGarrett next season. I would suggest Jean Smart. No, this is not the deceased Governor, obviously, but the Governor's twin sister. This is possible, because, based on their real ages, Smart would have been 24 when SMcG version 2 was born.

Added: Tuesday 15 May 2012 09:50:20 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

If you look at last night's show from the point of view of "don't think about this too hard," it was outstanding. The non-stop action left you limp, and even the music seemed improved (though I'm sure someone could prove me wrong on this).

However, once you start thinking, lots of things fall apart. Like the business with Chin Ho springing Delano from Halawa Correctional Facility on a moment's notice. As Delano himself says, "This 'immunity and means thing' you Five-0 guys have comes in pretty handy, doesn't it?" This is where I started to say "HUH?"

Didn't the Governor come down hard on Five-0 at the beginning of this season for using extreme interrogation tactics and thinking that they can get away with murder when they are investigating something? Wasn't this why Lori brought into the team -- supposedly to spy on people (but we all know where that went)?

I'm surprised that the people who run or work at Halawa don't lodge a complaint about the way they are portrayed on Five-0. How many times has someone escaped from this place or deals have been made to spring people from it which don't make sense? I sure wouldn't want to be living near Halawa if its management and employees were as corrupt or co-operative with Five-0 as portrayed on this show!

Added: Tuesday 15 May 2012 06:36:18 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Mike:

A while back you censored a post I wrote because I had gun butt in a description of a five-o episode and said according to some style manual you had that "butt" was not allowed so you censored it. I knew that was total garbage because butt is allowed in every US newspaper and evening newscast. So somehow "gun butt" is not allowed, but "holy shit" is allowed to be written by you. Is it any wonder, that I don't like you and think that you're an emperor with no clothes.

Mr. Mike comments: Oh puh-leeze, Rainbow, give me a break. I did not "censor" you. There is a file in the default guestbook scripts (which were not created by me) called "bad words." This replaces "bad words" with ***. I had never paid much attention to this file until the word "butt" you used caused a problem. As you probably noticed, this word works now. I removed this word from the file, because I thought censoring this word was silly. I had left the *** in your original post at the time, so people could see what had happened as per my follow-up explanation of Monday 20 February 2012 -- see the archive link below. If I have some spare time, I may go through this file again some time and remove yet more words, some of which are even sillier than "butt."

Now that I have explained this (again), maybe you will rejoin us to discuss the show?

Added: Tuesday 15 May 2012 06:24:24 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Mrs. Fryer ... never appeared. Was supposedly going to be played by Maeve Quinlan. According to IMDB, she is the ex-sister-in-law of Paul Sizemore (a fancy way of saying spouse of Tom Sizemore (1 September 1996 - 19 November 1999) (divorced)).

In other words, this character was a total scam!

Added: Monday 14 May 2012 22:37:44 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Hmmmm, that was a real "holy shit" episode!

Added: Monday 14 May 2012 22:08:58 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

AJ, that is a fantastic picture! Wow!

Re: tonight's episode - - - Doesn't anyone know how to write legitimate screenplays, anymore? The previews for every show this week looks just like tonight's episode. Egad!

Added: Monday 14 May 2012 20:10:17 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

Awesome finale but can't give anything away for those who haven't seen it yet. Let's just say that I had predicted what happens in the final minute a while back and it was still good.

Added: Monday 14 May 2012 20:09:03 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Ugh, usually the show is available on Monday night before 6:00 p.m. from my usual downloading sources (don't ask me how this is possible at such an early time), but it's almost 7:30 and it still hasn't shown up yet. Curses!

Added: Monday 14 May 2012 19:25:54 MST


Submitted by: AJ
From: NY

I've gone ahead and "made" a promo shot from one of those screen-caps, for the person who requested one by e-mail...

bit.ly/IUVCam

:!cool:

Added: Monday 14 May 2012 19:10:29 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

As for strong women on the original Five-O, two come to mind right off the top of my head.

Patricia Hindy's Dina character in "A Woman's Work Is With A Gun" was a downright ruthless and deranged villain up to par with some of the best male villains. Also, Suesie Elene's Asuko in "The Capsule Kidnapping" was equally ruthless.

Honorable mention: Sharon Farrell's first appearance in "A Capitol Crime" and Hope Summers in "The Bomber And Mrs. Moroney".

Added: Monday 14 May 2012 18:52:34 MST


Submitted by: AJ
From: NY

Below, a couple of screen-caps of the original 'Five-O Four' together (with no one else), taken from S4's "Odd Man In"...

bit.ly/LLokh7

bit.ly/KXmRlx

Added: Monday 14 May 2012 18:39:17 MST


Submitted by: AJ
From: NY

Re: strong women --- Let's not forget Laraine Stephens' absolutely stellar kick-in-the-plums putdown of Michael Ansara in S5's opener, "Death is a Company Policy". (The line about getting "violently ill".)
:!mad:

Added: Monday 14 May 2012 17:59:16 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Mahalo nui loa, Mike. I knew the answer had to be something obvious, but it was eluding me like a shadow. LOL.

Added: Monday 14 May 2012 16:06:26 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Attention H50 Forever, on this page

mjq.net/fiveo/allfiveo.htm

There are 278 shows listed

Included in this, there are

Murder - Eyes Only
Nine Dragons
Year of the Horse
Lion in the Streets

(4 extra hours there, each is a 2 hour show)

and Cocoon (2 more hours)

Total = 284 hours

Added: Monday 14 May 2012 15:20:21 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

A question: Jack said Leonard Freeman Productions delivered 284 hours of film to CBS. Note: He said "hours," not "episodes." When I count them, I get 278 + another 2 hours for "Cocoon." That gives 280 hours. What are the other four? Does anyone know? Please consult "Episodes" on MofH50 and let me know where my count is going off track. Mahalo!

Added: Monday 14 May 2012 14:59:41 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

cliffhangers looking forward to
of course tonite with 5-0
then NCIS, the LA one ---phooey!

PERSON OF INTEREST thursday
and SHERLOCK PBS ends this sunday (yeah 3 episodes only)

Added: Monday 14 May 2012 14:43:46 MST


Submitted by: Steve's Girl
From: Germany

Let me add Nicole Fleming in "F.O.B. Honolulu" (Season 3), Toni in "Thanks for The Honeymoon" (Season 5) and Lani Okado in "A Touch of Guilt" (Season 8) to your list of strong women, H50.

Added: Monday 14 May 2012 13:17:06 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

More speculation about the finale tonight (spoilers):

bit.ly/LJwXbO

Added: Monday 14 May 2012 11:47:13 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

There were strong women and not-so-strong ones.

As regards women in the early seasons, Rosemary Quong (Nancy Kwan) in "Cocoon" (pilot) was strong, even though she ultimately succumbed to the charms of the top cop. Mary Ann McGarrett Whalen (Nancy Malone) in "Once Upon a Time" (Season 1) was strong enough to take her son to every doctor she could find and even give a faith healer a try in an effort to save his life. She even stood up to her tough brother. But women in those days had a quiet strength; e.g., Nathan Manu's widow (Anne Barton) in "Strangers in Our Own Land" (Season 1).

In the later seasons, Terri O'Brien (Jean Simmons) in "The Cop on the Cover" (Season 10) was strong. So, too, Agatha Henderson (Eileen Heckart) in "Honor is an Unmarked Grave" (Season 8) and Minnie Cahoon (Janis Page) in "The Case Against Philip Christie" (Season 11).

I don't think women were necessarily stronger or weaker, but they did express their strength more outspokenly in the later seasons and continue to do so today.

Added: Monday 14 May 2012 11:45:12 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I fully agree. Just looking at the 3 actresses who played the undercover policewoman Joyce - Patricia Smith, Anne Helm, and Marianne McAndrew - they easily eclipse any female actors on this new show. And I haven't even commented on the truly great thespians likes Helen Hayes or Mildred Natwick on the old show. Though to be honest I haven't seen too much of this new show and don't remember anyone other than Kono doing any undercover work. So perhaps I'm not in the best position to comment on this.

Added: Monday 14 May 2012 09:42:52 MST


Submitted by: Hoosiergirl
From: NapTown

Strong female characters on the old show? Uh, not quite. It was the rare female who wasn't a victim or eye candy. God forbid any of them hooked up with the team as they were either kidnapped, killed or sent away. I roll my eyes every time I watch the old show. It was all testosterone all the time and girls were just there to decorate the set. BUT...it was the 70's and forward thinking regarding women wasn't quite the norm yet, so I can overlook it.

But the reboot unfortunately follows in the old show's footsteps a bit regarding female characters. While Kono gets to kick butt she's also put in the position of damaging her rep, and the team, by having a illicit affair with a known criminal. Really? Why would she have such poor judgment? And then there is Catherine. She's only there as Steve's romantic interest and to abuse her position with the Navy to get info for him. And don't get me started on how poorly they handled the Lori storyline....or Rachel. The only well fleshed out female character was the Gov in season one. The poor character development is terribly typical of male writers/producers when it comes to women characters. Although not as bad as the 70's by any means, the women on the reboot are still stuck with being pretty, overly emotional and in need of being 'saved' by their male counterparts.

Added: Monday 14 May 2012 09:35:08 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Comment on the new show from a friend. What do you think?

All female storylines on this show seem to go nowhere. At least the old show, while not having female regulars [other than Lori in the twelfth season - MQ], did feature many strong female guest characters right from the very first episode, Full Fathom Five.

Added: Monday 14 May 2012 06:49:47 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Five-O has been taken off line in Australia, with 3 episodes to go!

imdb.to/ILTfbe

Added: Saturday 12 May 2012 08:56:38 MST


Submitted by: Elaine
From: Watertown, MA

Anyone interested in watching Jack Lord in his early years, I recommend The Untouchables, Season 1. Episode is The Jake Lingly Killing where JL is a guest star. I really liked the character he portrayed - Bill Hagen...appearing as a bad guy on the outside, but a good guy in the center, as Ness describes him. JL looked great in a double-breasted suit and Fyodor (can't spell to save my life, but that kind of hat!). He had a substantial role and you can see shades of McGarrett there!

Another oldie but goodie is Route 66 - Play it Glissando is the name of the ep - where JL plays a tortured jazz musician - he's only sure of himself when he's playing his trumpet - the rest of his life is a mess and he's clearly "disturbed". It was another strong performance without going over the top. That was aired in 1961! There was some very good music...Mr. Mike...do you know if Nelson Riddle wrote those vocal and trumpet pieces specifically for the show? I didn't see any other composer's name in the credits.

Mr. Mike comments: No, I have no idea. I have never seen this show. Another show which features an "anguished" trumpet player is The Murder Clause, 26th episode of the second season of Peter Gunn. James Coburn gives an outstanding performance as Bud Bailey, a temperamental jazz trumpet player who can't deal with the fame that he has achieved.

Added: Saturday 12 May 2012 05:13:24 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

While I do not watch the new series on a regular basis, I tend to believe it will be either the Fryer or Joe White character that is killed off in the season finale rather than Kono or Max.

It doesn't make sense to me that Kono would be killed just an episode after she begins a romance with a character who will probably appear in future episodes. It also doesn't follow suit that Max's character would get the ax after having an episode that featured him prominently in the past month. On the other hand, Joe White's character does not have as much to do now as he did in the earliest S2 episodes. Fryer doesn't appear to be in every show, and it is curious that his character's wife is appearing in the season finale for the first time. With all that will apparently be going on, that wouldn't leave much time for character development with her role, unless she were playing a grieving spouse.

It is important to note that when Chin Ho was killed in the original series in the S10 finale, his character was not featured prominently during that season at all, with some of his appearances almost cameos in some episodes. This could offer clues since the producers do follow the old series in many respects. The only way that I believe it will be Kono is if Grace Park has simply tired of the role and wants out, which would be ashamed. The four central characters have good chemistry together and seem to care about each other's safety and welfare (on the show) as much as the original Five-O's four did for each other.

Added: Friday 11 May 2012 18:01:35 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

oh

DEATH IN THE FAMILY PART II?

Added: Friday 11 May 2012 13:48:44 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

This rumour about GP is entirely speculative.

What does the posting say?

"Receive an e-mail."

Huh? So what ... is this from Lenkov, someone connected with the show, or just some friend of the poster who is guessing?

GP's desire to leave the show for some personal reasons notwithstanding, I would be hard pressed to keep watching the show if she was not there.

Added: Friday 11 May 2012 11:56:27 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Well, if it's true, it will be a sad loss. Grace Park is quite likeable. On the other hand, her characterization of Kono is not very strong on a team that is supposed to be known for its strength. One receives the impression that, if her cousin weren't on the team, she'd never survive. Still, I would not kill her off. Rather, I'd have her opt out of field work in favor of forensics work. She would make the startling laboratory discoveries. Then, I'd hire a strong personality to take her place in the field.

Added: Friday 11 May 2012 11:23:03 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Did anyone notice -- "Ua Hala," the title of this season's last show (next Monday) is Hawaiian for "Death in the Family”?

Karl Herlinger, the guy who plays "Toothpick,” the nasty villain of the finale and also the first show next season, is the guy who appeared in Lion in the Streets as a kid discussed below.

Added: Friday 11 May 2012 10:20:28 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

This rumour seems to emanate from the following posting (note, it doesn't say anything about Twitter):

b1118 says:
May 10, 2012 at 4:46 pm

bit.ly/JbjjOR

Receive an e-mail. After the H50 show next Monday a press release. Grace Park will not be back next season. Kono will die on the final. I guess since we met Kono coming out of the water yelling "Cous” she should died in the water. Sad …Have her move away, but not kill her….sad.

Added: Friday 11 May 2012 09:54:26 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

What H50 fan site? If Lenkov leaked the info that Kono dies, this would be a really dumb move on his part. His Twitter feed is relatively easy to check out. I just did that, and there is nothing there. There is also nothing on the Internet Movie Database, and you can be assured that if there was such a rumour it would be discussed there, among other "fan sites."

Added: Thursday 10 May 2012 21:41:54 MST


Submitted by: Maria
From: Costa Rica

Can anyone confirm or not confrim if Grace Park leaving H50 after this second season therefore she is the one who dies in the finale? I read this from a fan at a H50 fan site. She said that Peter L leaked that on tweeter taht Kono is the one who dies. I jsut want to confrim if that is true or not thanks :!cry:

Added: Thursday 10 May 2012 20:34:45 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

In response to someone by e-mail, who wanted a publicity shot of the original Five-O "fab four," I realized that there doesn't seem to be any such thing ... unlike the twelfth season where there is a shot of Lord, Keale, Wedemeyer, Farrell and Smith all together.

In fact, the only show that I can think of where they are all together in the first few seasons is in Blind Tiger, where they are having a birthday party for McGarrett in his office.

I did some screen captures from this scene, which are here:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/fiveofour/

Added: Thursday 10 May 2012 19:24:18 MST


Submitted by: wilson
From: espain

very good site.

Added: Thursday 10 May 2012 16:12:00 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

That works for me, Mike. :D

Added: Wednesday 09 May 2012 14:43:41 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

Ahem....Mr. Mike, he's called the Commander-in-Chief (US Constitution, Article II)

Added: Wednesday 09 May 2012 14:23:10 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Kono meets the "supreme commander" (even higher than McGarrett): http://bit.ly/II8OPT

My caption for the picture: "Thanks for the invitation, dude, but I already have a boyfriend. His name is 'Adam'."

:D

Added: Wednesday 09 May 2012 11:36:13 MST


Submitted by: Pat
From: Guantanamo Bay Cuba

i will have to say May 7th episode ( which was my b-day) ha..ha.. was super.. great .. awesome. the episodes get better and better. So happy to see Alex back. Welcome back... ;) Thanks to all of the cast and crew for making this H50 so good. i'm enjoying all the episodes. i already bought the first season... i have all 12 of the old classic one. LOVE IT .. LOVE IT. Good job to all of the new H50.The whole cast are doing a super job. God speed..... :)

Added: Wednesday 09 May 2012 09:31:10 MST


Submitted by: Elaine
From: Watertown, MA, USA

I did manage to stay awake long enough to watch the May 7th ep of HF-zero....it may have appeared to many to be a very good episode, but I found it tedious and formulaic. I haven't watched many eps of the new show, only 3 or 4, but yes, this episode was better than the others I had seen, but only because those others were so bad. Wo Fat working for the CIA? McGarrett and Wo slugging it out in the rain forest and then being able to "take out" all of Adam's henchmen (I think there were at least 7 of them) and fly that chopper to Dillingham....what a man! I'm surprised the producers haven't slapped a huge big letter "S" on his chest! Oh, sorry, I forgot, he was trained as a Navy SEAL...

In my opinion, the difference between the original show and the new show is believability....I'm sure there are lots of fans of the new show who'll disagree, but that's the way I see it. The original Steve McGarrett was quite a man, but he was never portrayed as a superman. He was human and he made mistakes and payed for them....Karen Rhodes' book, Booking Hawaii Five-O discusses how the character of McGarrett evolved over the years...and how JL and the writers respected that persona.

One last comment....I follow NCIS weekly (love that show) but haven't gotten into NCIS-LA. I had a bit of insomnia the other night and watched NCIS-LA for the first time and I was amazed at the similarities between the new Five-zero and NCIS-LA...the bromance, banter between Callan and LL....and Deeks and Kensi...very similar to McGarrett and Danno....I was also surprised by the plot, of Deeks and Kensi going undercover as a married couple...because on NCIS, Ziva David and Tony Denoso, did exactly the same thing....the script was so similar, it was a deja vue moment. Where have we seen this before. I fear that writers, in general, are really struggling to come up with decent scripts...so they're dusting off old ones and reworking them.....

A comment about JL's shoulder holster. How did it stay in place? I have seen in an episode or two, when McGarrett donnes the shoulder holster, he fastened the bottom of the holster onto his waistband. There seems to have been a button or clip or something that kept the holster from shifting.... and most of the time, unless he was drawing his gun, he kept his suit jacket buttoned. I never figured out, when they went to the black leisure suit, where McGarrett kept his gun, because, it wasn't obvious. Does anyone know where he kept his "piece"?. Danno, Chin, Kono, Ben, and Duke all wore belt holsters that were quite obvious to see.

Aloha

Added: Wednesday 09 May 2012 06:42:51 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Jacqueline Lord is NOT Jack's daughter. He had a son, who died at the age of 13. That's all.

I'd like to see the 2.1 McG and Wo battle it out when they are 59 and 70 years old, like JL and KD were in "Woe to Wo Fat."

Too many scenes hark back to 1.0. Don't the 2.1 writers have imaginations of their own???

Added: Tuesday 08 May 2012 15:44:41 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Hi, Mr. Hiriam,

Jack did have a son, named John Joseph Ryan, Jr. He died in 1955. I don't know who Jacqueline Lord is. She might be a distant relative.

Added: Tuesday 08 May 2012 15:33:43 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

Adam the son with Kono ! not Hiro

oops

sorry

Added: Tuesday 08 May 2012 14:36:27 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

jack had a son?

Added: Tuesday 08 May 2012 14:34:09 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

notice in the credits--Jacqueline Lord?
i thought wait, Jack had kids? but no --
there is a question of that family relation on the Yahoo Answers website so write "is jacqueline lord related to jack lord?" and it will send you there. she was in the steven seagal movie MERCENARY OF JUSTICE which i did not nor will ever see.

now to the show: WOW! this is a winner!
MCGARRETT IS MISSING MEETS WOE TO WO FAT. there are 3 scenes i saw that came from WOE:

1)the opening boat scene in Japan similar to the fishing boat in WOE's opening in (i think) Singapore.

2)the brutal jungle fight bet. McG and Wo. i thought AOL here would say "Morality Play?!" . mike, do a scene to scene comparison like you did with HOOKMAN and TOUCH OF DEATH.

3)the end with McG locking up Wo Fat and Wo has no striped jammies. i hope McG here would say "aloha, wo fat" and walk away smiling and Wo would pull out the nail filer.

Danno is excited when talking to McG after his boredom from the NCIS LA shows. and good to see danno's hair in a mess after knocking the guard out.

AARON PIERCE!!!! he's the man!

now we need to see next season the man from 24 , the best jack bauer's boss ever : BILL BUCHANAN!!!

yes, AOL looked great!

danno hooded and his hands went up , i
cracked up at that

kono's fake crying with hiro: no tears? come on ! someone chop some onions or put some vicks under the eyelids to let the tears out (i know that's dangerous, fans don't try that please! i read somewhere actors put tiny bit of vicks vaporub to let more crying)

love that "outnumbered by 1" line by wo fat !

wo fat glaring at danno as he went into the car. hmm, will wo terrorize danno's family next season?

grade A!

next week: max? oh noooooo! could be max or kono

Added: Tuesday 08 May 2012 13:32:41 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Unless the producers of the show gave CBS a sneak preview by showing them the scripts for the last couple of episodes almost two months ago, I don't think what you are talking about applies here. The show was renewed on March 14th.

No matter how good the last shows are, the addition of the useless character Lori, whose presence dragged on for 16 episodes, is still in the category of "never to forgive, never to forget." :)

Added: Tuesday 08 May 2012 10:18:10 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Judging by the comments it seems that the writers tend to pull out all the stops for the season finales. While dropping the ball big time with whatever happens during the actual course of the season. It seems like "Hey, we need to give them a slam-bang finale or otherwise we won't get picked up for another season". Smart ploy perhaps on their part? Sucks for the fans though.

Added: Tuesday 08 May 2012 09:58:27 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

Almost had a heart attack! Two things I never thought I'd hear Mr. Mike say: 1) "Tonight's show was outstanding from start to finish." 2) "The following scenes with the helicopter flying at night.....had a musical accompaniment which was actually pretty good (is this the first time I have ever said this?)"

I wholeheartedly agree with you, Mr. Mike. The show was exciting from start to finish. Which means I can't wait until next week's season finale.

Added: Monday 07 May 2012 21:53:49 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

SPOILERS, HELLO!!! Tonight's show was outstanding from start to finish. It began with McGarrett (O'Loughlin looking MUCH healthier) in Japan. He captures Wo Fat with the assistance of local SEAL types, who seem to understand English perfectly, even though they don't always speak it back to him. There is something mysterious going on in the bathroom of Wo's hotel room, though -- it is a bloody mess. The next scene is a big surprise with Kono "doing it" ... with Adam Noshimuri! This is the only part of this episode that is hard to swallow (no pun intended). So when did Kono become pals with this guy? Given the scene not only with Kono naked with Noshimuri in the shower (well, as far as network television will allow) and the later scene with her duct-taped up by him, I am willing to overlook plot logic. The plot thickens as a State Department employee named Anna Douglas with some mysterious connection to Wo is found dead. This leads Danno to the local CIA office where Glenn Morshower (Aaron Pierce on "24") plays a bad guy in the form of Deputy Station Chief Kendricks who treats Danno very badly. A dumpy looking guy from the CIA office named Deep Throat in the credits (Jack McGee) gives Danno some info and helps him to escape after CIA operatives kidnap him and try to use some relatively mild Five-0-like interrogation techniques. Of course, no episode would be complete without the usual mindless banter between Danno and McGarrett, and this time it comes in the form of a "celphonegument." On his way back to Hawaii, the plane carrying McGarrett and Wo develops serious problems when one of the guys on the plane starts shooting and in a scene highly reminiscent of "McGarrett is Missing" in the old Five-O, the plane crashes (this time piloted by McGarrett himself). McGarrett and Wo end up handcuffed to each other (again reminiscent of the earlier show) and after McGarrett knocks off a bunch of Noshimuri Junior's cohorts who have come to get Wo to take revenge for what Wo did to Adam's father, they are back to Hawaii in the copter, with McGarrett again demonstrating his piloting skills. The following scenes with the helicopter flying at night around Honolulu intercut with Danno escaping the CIA headquarters (some huge cavernous building) had a musical accompaniment which was actually pretty good (is this the first time I have ever said this?) -- mainly because it sounded like Philip Glass. (The score at the beginning of the show in Osaka, Japan, was also interesting, though it sounded more like a Balinese gamelan than some Japanese instrument.) The color of the photography in the final scene with Adam and his never-ending supply of yakuza goons being confronted by Five-0 and HPD was exceptional ... probably the best I've ever seen on the show. As well, it had Kono with her big brown eyes pleading to Adam not to shoot Wo. And a nice reunion with McGarrett without being too sucky!

Added: Monday 07 May 2012 20:45:38 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

News release (thanks to Jerry Pickard for sending ... now will someone volunteer to dub this for me?) :)

Honolulu, Hawaii (April 2012) -- EMME’S ISLAND MOMENTS offers another exciting television program in its first installment of the season: "HAWAII FIVE-O REVISITED.” We pay tribute to several people who were part of the Hawaii Five-O classic series. And visit with some of the exciting talents behind the scenes and on camera in the ‘new generation ‘ohana’ of Hawaii Five-0.

● We pay tribute to the matriarch of the classic Hawaii Five-O, the late Rose Freeman, wife of Creator and Executive Producer, Lenny Freeman.

● We honor the late James MacArthur who played the original "Danno” on the classic Hawaii Five-O series. A year ago, he was honored by close family and friends with celebration services here in Hawai‘i. We talk exclusively to his wife HB about their life in the islands.

● We chat with classic Hawaii Five-O stars, Al Harrington and Dennis Chun (son of Kam Fong who played detective Chin Ho Kelly). Harrington played Ben Kokua in the original show and is known as "Mamo” in the new series. Chun appears as Sergeant Duke Lukela. Jimmy Borges and Kimo Kahoano also have cameos in the reboot of the Hawaii Five-0 show.

● We meet Executive Producer Peter Lenkov whose vision and mission is to keep Hawaii Five-O’s legacy alive and bring the classic show to a new generation of viewers.

● We catch up with Mark Dacascos who is the Chairman of "Iron Chef America,” competed on "Dancing with the Stars” and now has a lead role in "Hawaii Five-0” as the villain Wo Fat.

All that, and more on … EMME’S ISLAND MOMENTS -- "Hawaii Five-O Revisited” Premier: Thursday, May 31st, 7-8pm Rebroadcast: Saturday, June 2nd, 9-10pm on KGMB.

Added: Monday 07 May 2012 20:03:49 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

OK, thanks, I think you are right. That was the only episode that I didn't watch again when the 12th season came out on DVD because I had watched it several months before (and forgotten about this, obviously).

Added: Monday 07 May 2012 14:06:11 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

I'll bet he's thinking of "A Lion in the Streets." Andy Kamoku's son is walking home from school with his friends. They part at the corner, and the boy continues on, alone. The kumu henchmen drive up and tell him his dad wants them to take him to the park, where his dad will meet him. So, he gets into the car with them. It turns out to be a kidnapping.

Added: Monday 07 May 2012 13:44:47 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Anyone recognize this episode?

Karl Herlinger, who will be in the season two finale claims he appeared in an episode of the original H50 in either 1979 or 1980. He doesn't know the name, date or who was in it, only the plot. He was one of several boys whose best friend is kidnapped on his way home from school.

Not A Sentence to Steal or The Pagoda Factor, I think, both of which involve "young people."

Added: Monday 07 May 2012 13:21:47 MST


Submitted by: AJ
From: NY

"Holy poop"?

:!lipssealed:

Added: Friday 04 May 2012 19:47:03 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Holy poop!

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/hawaii-five-o-lawsuit-george-litto-larry-freeman-cbs-320364

There is some background info on this here:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/tv-movie.htm

Added: Friday 04 May 2012 11:11:58 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Yeah baby! Aaron Pierce. Now if we could just get Mike Novick. Love Jude Ciccolella! Shame I no longer watch the show though. Even to spot "24" alumni it's a chore.

Added: Friday 04 May 2012 10:33:23 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

My take on who will get it during the finale is based on the cast list for this show which is seen on some WWW sites.

Among the characters who will appear in this episode are Fryer and his wife (who we have never seen before). I suspect it will be one of these two, probably the wife. I >really< hope that it is not going to Mrs. Chin Ho. Whether Mrs. Fryer qualifies as "one of their own" is debatable.

I seriously doubt if it will be any of the "fabulous four" or Max.

Added: Friday 04 May 2012 10:02:00 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

"I cannot wait for the fans response to the #H50 S2 finale. Intense doesn't even begin to describe it! [Have we heard this before?]"

No doubt he is referring to the ep where someone in law enforcement meets their demise. I refuse to believe it will be one of the main 4 until I see it. It would be a bold departure from the original, when a detective would just mysteriously "disappear" the next season (Kono?, Ben Kokua?).

Added: Friday 04 May 2012 09:45:16 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

From Twitter:

joe halpin [5-0 writer]: I cannot wait for the fans response to the #H50 S2 finale. Intense doesn't even begin to describe it! [Have we heard this before?]

CBS Home Entertainment's #H50: The 1st Season Blu-ray lands fan fave title award in @HomeMediaMag 2012 honorary Awards. [Dunno how this happened, it was only on sale at Best Buy for ages!]

=====

Oh yeah, one of the guest stars in the next episode will be Glenn Morshower from "24."

Added: Friday 04 May 2012 08:50:30 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Lainie Kazan (born 1940) is being replaced by Melanie Griffith (born 1957!), playing the mother of Scott Caan (born 1976) in some recent theatrical production. WTF!!

Added: Friday 04 May 2012 08:41:06 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There...

Interesting about the gas pedal, because we first see it in "Cocoon," when McGarrett is being tailed by the intelligence officer in the green '67 Chevelle Malibu. In that scene, McGarrett is driving the '67 Marquis (two-door). Is it possible that all Ford products in those years had similar gas pedals? I know certain models (e.g., Park Lane and Thunderbird) had similar steering wheels.

Added: Friday 04 May 2012 05:18:58 MST


Submitted by: Michael T
From: Palatine IL

For what it's worth, that gas pedal controls a 1967 or 1968 Mustang.

Added: Thursday 03 May 2012 19:52:15 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

hmm

seeing promo for may 7 with Wo Fat. MCGARRETT IS MISSING PART II?

Added: Thursday 03 May 2012 13:27:32 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

both TOUCH OF DEATH and HOOKMAN had a similar shot of a foot hitting the gas pedal--yeah. danno's foot seen and ---was that striped socks?

Added: Wednesday 02 May 2012 14:06:46 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

CHARLIE'S ANGELS & THE LOVE BOAT--now that was the WORST crossover!

Added: Wednesday 02 May 2012 13:35:01 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

there seems to be a romantic fling-a-ding between kensi and deeks and it looks to be hotter in next week's NCIS LA show which i won't be watching.
but why the hell would those 2 flirt around before they head to the dead stewardess's twin sister's house to break the sad news?
that bit at the hospital w/ kensi and deeks as docs--ugh.

the NCIS LA interrogation room much nicer looking than 5-0's. i hope 5-0 heads to gibbs' NCIS show and perhaps gibbs can give a smack to danno's head like he does to dinozzo.

i like hetty the boss. wish gibbs' boss leon can make a cameo and give danno a tongue lashing! leon is mean and good!

danno doesn't seem to be interested in that blood feud between callen and the romanian mob. wish danno would say "sorry to hear about that" but nope. the crossover i heard did well in the ratings. sooooo, hope McG comes back for the next crossover with either NCIS LA or NCIS or maybe hey! one of the CSI shows, though either or both NY and MIAMI could be axed. Vegas is safe.

PERSON OF INTEREST ? maybe mr reese can kick danno in the ass! or mr finch give a thumbpoke to danno in the eye (finch did that one episode).

BIG BANG THEORY crossover-perhaps sheldon can throw a mr spock doll to danno's face.... :!thinking:

:p

Added: Wednesday 02 May 2012 13:01:04 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Guy, if you go back about a dozen messages, you will have the answer to your question. And, by the way, it is a VERY bad idea to post your e-mail address in this or any other public Internet forum, because, as a result of this, you will probably be deluged with spam.

Added: Wednesday 02 May 2012 12:45:58 MST


Submitted by: Guy Coffee
From: Manhattan, KS

Why was McGarrett deleted from the Hawaii Five-O/CSI LA two episodes?

1st time Commentor. Please reply to guycoffee@hotmail.com

Added: Wednesday 02 May 2012 12:28:41 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"I couldn't believe that while there is this very serious threat of bioterrorism, the characters (Deeks and Kensi and the two geeks) are flirting and arguing over the most inane stuff. Is this normal for this show?"

I don't watch NCIS. But sadly this is the case with pretty much every show nowadays. They present a serious scenario and then undermine all that with unrealistic and juvenile banter. Hey, it's what sells these days, right? That's why for me "24" was such a diamond in the rough amidst all the crap out there. The only show that could pull me in and treat me with respect. Instead of pandering to the lowest common denominator. And while I'm well aware of the personal dramas that we often had at CTU during times of crises (as well as Chloe's frequent personality disorders) it was still nothing compared to the childish writing that plagues all those other shows. And in defense of the "CTU dramas" at least they were just that - dramas. Not comedy. What business does comedy have in a dramatic show anyway? That type of humor belongs on TWO AND A HALF MEN. Not a serious espionage/police show.

Added: Wednesday 02 May 2012 12:05:43 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There...

Yes, I did, Big H. That was quite a find. So, we know it wasn't stolen. Chances are, since Jack kept it, it meant a lot to him. Those things are good to know.

Added: Wednesday 02 May 2012 10:37:39 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

Forever...did you see where Rick tracked down JL's holster on the Julien site?

Haven't seen the crossover yet so I'm trying to avoid these spoilers. :!thinking:

Added: Wednesday 02 May 2012 09:20:10 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Not an NCIS:LA fan

I was hard pressed to rate last night's show more than one star, which means utter garbage, The only thing keeping it from slipping into the ratings trashbin was the presence of the mega-hot Daniela Ruah as agent Kensi. I wish the Five-0 boys had stayed home and the smallpox epidemic would have wiped out everyone from NCIS:LA except her, and she would have then joined Five-0. That would have definitely drawn a lot of interest to Five-0, even though Grace P would probably be annoyed.

I thought it was pretty funny, this friend and I sent each other our thoughts on the show at exactly the same time, and we felt exactly the same way about it ("da bomb," and not in a positive way).

Added: Wednesday 02 May 2012 06:13:55 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There...

I agree, Mike. I turned it off about halfway through.

Added: Wednesday 02 May 2012 02:22:12 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I have never seen any NCIS show ever, so I didn't know what to expect, but this crossover episode was really BORING. If Five-O was frantic, this was a sleeper. (And remember, the old Five-O episode "Sleeper" totally sucked!)

I couldn't believe that while there is this very serious threat of bioterrorism, the characters (Deeks and Kensi and the two geeks) are flirting and arguing over the most inane stuff. Is this normal for this show?

Furthermore, I have no idea why the two Five-O guys were there at all. Chin Ho said "There's too much at stake for us not to see this through." Huh? I don't think so. What was their interest in coming to L.A. other than a free ride? When Danno had his run-ins with Linda Hunt, I expected him to call her "Shorty" or come up with some smart alecky comment regarding Munchkins, but it never happened.

I thought the music was pretty bad, but because it was LESS obvious than the usual bad Five-O music. At one point, Deeks and Kensi are talking philosophically about the horrible things that can happen if there is a smallpox outbreak, and the music is just pussyfooting along in the background. Instead at this point, you would expect some terrifying "24" like background score!

Added: Tuesday 01 May 2012 21:36:02 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Here is the chase from Hookman:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/season6/hookman-chase/

Added: Tuesday 01 May 2012 20:44:55 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

Thanks for that big H - yes, and perforations on the strap match up - I do believe that's the one.

While the economic downturn has resulted in cutbacks here at Five-O Laboratories, our commitment remains steadfast: "It's our job to uncover the truth, wherever it lies, wherever it's buried."

Added: Tuesday 01 May 2012 19:56:29 MST


Submitted by: AJ
From: NY

Mr. Mike - I just noticed for the first time your decidedly negative opinion of the score for "Why Won't Linds Die?" from S11. To each his own, I guess... but that's one of my favorite episode scores of the whole series!
:!music:

Added: Tuesday 01 May 2012 19:52:21 MST


Submitted by: Vil
From: Texas

Alex oloughlin is awesome . Scott caan makes a person crazy. His hands are never still and his acting leaves a lot to be desired. Parks and Kim are very capable as actors and play a good part. U need a new danno.

Added: Tuesday 01 May 2012 19:26:58 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Interesting IMDB comment:

Why are they remodelling the show constantly?

I expected that it wouldn't stay like the Lethal Weapon-like Pilot, but the show is changing every 5 episodes.

● New girl in, new girl out, hot blonde girl in, hot blonde girl out - Season 1 was heavy on family plot lines, season 2 has almost none, then Gracie gets kidnapped.
● Some personal plot lines are dragged out to boredom, others, like Boomer going undercover were totally underutilized.
● Some episodes contain comedy elements, then a stretch of episodes has no funny lines at all.
● Sometimes it's about sissy morals, other times it's cold blooded Jack Bauer style.
● Lots of action, little talk in the beginning. Now it's all talk and little action.

I see very little consistency in the show. I'm constantly torn between liking the show and being annoyed and disappointed by it. Do they have any prewritten parts at all? Feels to me like they change writers and directors every two episodes while management is shouting for more changes from upstairs.

Added: Tuesday 01 May 2012 15:20:57 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Hi, Sharon, this is not a site run by or for CBS or the producers of the new Five-O. If you go to Google (www.google.com) and enter some keywords in like

Why is Alex O'Loughlin not on Hawaii Five-O

you will get various WWW pages, including the Wikipedia page for O'Loughlin himself. If you read that page, you will find the following:

On 2 March 2012, CBS announced that O'Loughlin would miss shooting some episodes of Hawaii Five-O to seek drug treatment related to pain management medication prescribed after a shoulder injury. The actor will miss at least one episode from this season.

If you click on the News link on the left side of Google results, you will get a lot more information like the above.

Added: Tuesday 01 May 2012 15:07:18 MST


Submitted by: Sharon
From: Ft lauderdale

Ok, where is Alex O? I like the other characters. Ok, but he is the main reason I watch the show.

Added: Tuesday 01 May 2012 14:28:34 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

yeah mike, car chase looked HOOKMAN-y even with the car blocking danno's. danno shoulda gotten out of the car and punched the roof like McG did in old episode.

episode could be titled FACE OF THE DRAGON PART II that one had the bubonic plague and here smallpox and man! that was nasty! i was hoping maybe danno and chin woulda worn those gigantic cartoonish hazmat suits like danno and chin did in FACE.

that carbon monoxide scene, didn't McG and danno had a similar garage scene in the old show? forgot which episode now.

Dracul Comescu: i haven't seen much of NCIS LA but i have heard that name. and so Callan killed the bastard! oh yeah mike, you have not seen NCIS LA, before and after the commericals , there are the click click click photos , like NCIS has the black and white freeze frames before and after ads. you'll see mike.

so FIVE 0 heads to LA but no McG. only Danno and Chin. maybe it's ONCE UPON A TIME PART II but no McG family members.

good crossover so far....let's have it again next season with McG

Added: Tuesday 01 May 2012 13:05:04 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

Rick, that holster on the Julien's site very well could be the one from the show.....the color is very similar, it is definitely a single-shoulder strap rig and you can tell the way the leather strap is curled up that is was form-fitted to fit someone's shoulder. Great find, Rick, you're still da man.....that nickle-plated Colt was likely a REAL piece that CBS gave JL upon the show's conclusion. All the 5-0 cops carried a prop blue snubnose--very likely the S&W Model 36 that I have.

Mr. Mike asked how it stayed on.....really, it just hangs on your shoulder; if it's form fitted, it won't go anywhere, especially after you slip on your suit jacket. Compare JL's single strap to McQueen's two strap rig in 1968's Bullitt: http://imdb.to/ID84BB

Added: Tuesday 01 May 2012 11:20:19 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There...

Re: "...did anyone think that when they were chasing the truck which was driving up on the ramp on the side of the building, this looked very much like a similar scene from Hookman?" - - We see a lot of this on programs today (NCIS and Blue Bloods, especially). Maybe it is done in tribute to 1.0, or maybe they don't think anyone remembers 1.0??? In either case, after the first time or two, it ceases to be cute. I want to ask why they don't come up with their own scenarios. It looked like the same ramp and loading dock, too.

Added: Tuesday 01 May 2012 04:08:11 MST


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