Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- March 2012

The Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- March 2012



The following are archived comments from March, 2012. After looking around, please add your own comments!

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Submitted by: Dave
From: Omaha, NE

The Twelth Season exceeded my expectations by a mile! Out of the 19 episodes, at least 15 of them were thumbs-up. Yes, "Woe to Wo Fat" was a disppointing finale, but when one considers that the last third of this episode was exciting, then it can be said with confidence that Hawaii Five-O went out with a bang!

Added: Saturday 31 March 2012 17:45:29 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

Alex , hope he gets better ; sorry he won't be part of NCIS LA crossover. does the crew or some of them head to LA?

Added: Saturday 31 March 2012 14:13:33 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Hiram
From: NYC

McG will toss Wo Fat in the slammer? already? and i assume Wo Fat will pull out his nail file and do his nails. and wear another silly striped prison costume.

Added: Saturday 31 March 2012 13:31:03 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

With Mike's permission, I am happy to announce

The Spring 2012 Meeting
THE GREAT FIVE-0 WEEKEND WRITING CHALLENGE
Friday, April 6 – Sunday, April 8, 2012

Boot your computer. Sharpen your pencil. Put on your thinking cap.

The Spring 2012 meeting of
THE GREAT FIVE-0 WEEKEND WRITING CHALLENGE
will feature the Vashons in an exciting tale entitled "'V' for Vashon: The Avenger".

Proctoring the challenge will be our own Vrinda.

Visit MofH50 next Friday to read the lead-in and write the next segment.

Be here! Aloha!

Added: Saturday 31 March 2012 13:16:30 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

While I agree with Rick about Amanda McBroom being a great choice for the Lori character, one thing that limited the choices for the Lori and Kimo roles was the series’ standing at that particular time.

I read recently that Jack Lord wanted Joe Moore to join the series around season 12, probably as MacArthur’s replacement. Moore stated that he had just landed his newscaster position and didn’t want to give that up for what would be a one to two season part at most. Five-O almost didn’t get renewed for an 11th season. Thus, if an actor had a good thing going (such as Moore and McBroom did then), why give it up for a role that would likely only last a year? If the producers had needed someone for a part in 1974 or 1975 for example, either of those two (or any number of solid actors of the time) probably would have jumped at the chance for a part on the show. Moore and McBroom would have both been very good choices as McGarrett’s chief aides.

As I have said previously though, I believe the audience would have opposed any attempt to push Lord’s character to the background in order to let others lead, outside of an episode or two. Many series of that era (both comedies and dramas) had very strong lead characters, and their respective shows generally wouldn’t survive without them. The best example that I can think of was when Redd Foxx and Demond Wilson left Sanford & Son, and the producers tried to continue with the remaining characters in The Sanford Arms. None of the remaining characters were interesting enough on their own to carry a show. Without Fred and Lamont, what was the point? Hawaii Five-O without Jack Lord was the same way to me.

Added: Saturday 31 March 2012 11:31:18 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

I agree with you Virginia that Amanda McBroom would have been the best fit by far for bringing a female onto the Five-o squad. But as I posted here in the past, Amanda was at the top of her song writing/music publishing career at that time with Bette Midler's THE ROSE - which was a huge hit. I would suspect the royalties from that song alone paid much, much more than an actor could make in those days as a non-star cast member of a prime time TV drama.

Added: Saturday 31 March 2012 09:38:11 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Re: "...it was a waste to bring in an actor like William Smith just to have him play a "yes man” type of role. A rogue cop who was constantly challenging the top man’s authority might have worked well on a series like Hill Street Blues, but not Hawaii Five-O."

Definitely! Kimo Carew needed to keep his toughness, if this scenario was going to work. He needed to let his rogue cop personality show consistently. If he had done that, and if they had hired Amanda McBroom (Sandy Welles) to portray the female detective, the thing just might have worked. Two strong personalities who were dedicated to their work. Then, JL could have slipped into the background successfully. IMHO

One has to wonder why it did not play out this way. Was management tired of the series, too? Does anyone know the answer? If so, please let us know.

Added: Saturday 31 March 2012 08:26:45 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

While it is easy to look back in hindsight, it would have been better for the original series to have ended production after season 10. The series’ slow but steady decline into the abyss began with season 10 and got progressively worse with seasons 11 and 12.

Probably the main reasons for devout fans that this scenario would have been preferable are that Chin Ho would not have been killed off and Danny would not have left without explanation. We would also have been spared the dreaded leisure suits that began with season 11. And, while season 10’s scripts were not the greatest, think of how much better the series’ finale would have been then with Danny and Chin there to help out rather than the solo McGarrett effort we ultimately received in the 1980 finale. In addition, ten seasons is a milestone of sorts and enough of a run for any quality series.

I have watched a lot of the S11 and S12 episodes on DVD lately, mainly out of curiosity of having not seen them in many years. And yes, there are some very good episodes here and there, especially those featuring Ross Martin as Tony Alika. For that matter, if the show had run until 1982 or 1983, they would have still had some strong episodes every year. The questions are how much is enough and why not stop while you are ahead?

Will is right on about the show having run its’ course by 1978-1979. Plus, this is one series where new characters were not going to work. It might have been one thing to bring in new characters in seasons 3-7, but season 12? The formula was well established, and it was a waste to bring in an actor like William Smith just to have him play a "yes man” type of role. A rogue cop who was constantly challenging the top man’s authority might have worked well on a series like Hill Street Blues, but not Hawaii Five-O.

Added: Friday 30 March 2012 20:34:50 MST


Submitted by: Otto
From: NYC

Whatever Jack may have been, he had something that keeps us talking, fighting, and enjoying the show!!!

Andy Warhol once said that he never read reviews of his work, but measured 'em with a ruler.

Added: Friday 30 March 2012 18:47:45 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Re: Will's statement, "I suppose they could have refocused the show on newer characters, and that appears to have been the original intent in season 12 with Kimo and Lori fronting the team and McGarrett fading into the backround."

That worked for the original "Law & Order." Michael Moriarty started out as the ADA before Sam Waterston took over. DA Stephen Hill was replaced by Dianne West, who was replaced by Fred Dalton Thompson (or was it the other way around?), etc. It lasted for how long, 19-20 years? I think so. You're right, Will. After 12 years, everyone is tired. It's time for some new blood to take over. I wish it had.

Added: Friday 30 March 2012 17:59:41 MST


Submitted by: Will
From: Austin, TX

"...that edgy, cocky persona is no longer seen."

It would have been nice if they had made Smith's character more of a thorn in McGarrett's side, rather than the oafish flunky he became.

The generally crummy nature of the last two seasons stems from a couple of reasons: (i)the show had just plain run its course and (ii) no one associated with the show had any real enthusiasm by then (becuse the show had just plain run its course). Nothing could really have been done about any of that, however. I suppose they could have refocused the show on newer characters, and that appears to have been the original intent in season 12 with Kimo and Lori fronting the team and McGarrett fading into the backround. They would have needed more appealing actors than Smith and Farrell to make that work, and I'm not sure it would have worked in any event. 12 years is a long time to keep an audience.

Added: Friday 30 March 2012 15:03:34 MST


Submitted by: Debbie K.
From: Illinois

Hi everybody! Does anyone have a clue whether or not a biography of Jack is really being written? Or is the 'biography' just a scam?

Added: Friday 30 March 2012 14:25:00 MST


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

I always thought it was very strange how William Smith's acting really changed after "A Lion In The Streets" - in that expanded episode, he plays this cocky cop from Boston with a chip on his shoulder, butting heads with McGarrett the whole time - and then, starting in the second episode ("Cops Don't Cry") he all of a sudden wants to help McGarrett and none of that edgy, cocky persona is no longer seen.

It was quite a shift, IMHO - but, I suppose that's what Lord and the Producers wanted - Season 12 was really strange, indeed - however, the music was outstanding this season with Stevens, Broughton, Ray, etc. returning...just my 2 cents...:)

PS: You're welcome, Big H...

Added: Friday 30 March 2012 11:51:47 MST


Submitted by: Will
From: Austin, TX

"William Smith's acting in the final season (which bordered on indifferent in many episodes, to put it mildly)"

That's for sure. But Smith has gone on record as saying that he did not (to put it mildly) enjoy his time on Five-O. And while I don't want to wade into this ongoing dispute about Jack Lord, Smith did an interview with (I think) Filmfax magazine in which he said that Lord was the only actor he worked with in his entire career with whom he couldn't get along. Just sayin'.

Added: Friday 30 March 2012 10:16:24 MST


Submitted by: big h
From: nc

The article Mr. Mike posted below says that AOL is not due back on an orginal ep until May 7th. I can't help but wonder if he banged up his shoulder on that crazy stunt where Weston is driving the Mustang which AOL and a baddie he is chasing on foot go flying over the top of the car. It looked like AOL didn't have a great landing on that stunt (assuming that he did do his own stunt on that one), but the baddie landed square on the back of his neck/head!! I swear to gosh, that looked like the most dangerous stunt I have seen to date on that show.

ps...Glenn, thanks and I've got those other two CDs you mentioned on my wish list now.

Added: Friday 30 March 2012 09:53:33 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

There have been comments here in the last few days about how Sharon Farrell acted "unprofessionally" on the set during the final season.

I don't recall hearing anything negative about her behavior when she played roles previous to this, which leads me to speculate, of course -- that Farrell was promised the moon regarding her role and participation in the twelfth season by someone (Jack Lord, the producers (wasn't Lord a "producer" in some capacity?) or whoever) and when this didn't come to pass, due to either her unfulfilled expectations or the mediocre production values of the twelfth season (bad scripts, lackluster direction) she reacted accordingly (you may say that she acted "badly" based on what you have heard or read).

One might also speculate that William Smith's acting in the final season (which bordered on indifferent in many episodes, to put it mildly) was for similar reasons.

Added: Friday 30 March 2012 09:25:40 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

There are plenty of spoilers in this posting at TV Guide about the remaining episodes.

Note that the language regarding the previously announced death of "one of their own" from the Five-O team has now changed to "a familiar face."

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Hawaii-Five0-Alex-OLoughlin-1045447.aspx

Also note the reappearance of someone who I thought was put out of action. No doubt he will be like Jason Scott Lee in the Ed Asner show who returned, but in jail.

Added: Friday 30 March 2012 09:15:49 MST


Submitted by: Shelley
From: NYC

"Jack and Marie left a 40 million dollar endowment for the people of Hawaii, to be used in a number of cultural societies and charities of their choice."

Ringfire - this information is nothing new, (and no disrespect intended to Elaine for posting it) and was available in a lot of websites. It wouldn't have been too hard for you to find it and make your own judgements sooner, instead of reading and believing "grapevine gossip," which is what Sharon's rants are all about.

There is also this webpage: http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/CentralDispatch/

Vrinda provided the link before, and it has lots of interviews with people who worked with Jack.

As for Sharon, this is my two cents: I work in advertising (doing design work), and an older co-worker of mine related a story to me about working in the publicity department for CBS. One of his assignments was to go to Hawaii and do publicity for Hawaii Five-O. This was in 1979, before the start of the 12th season. His memories of Jack were very positive, and he said Jack was a charming and gracious person. He even saw Jack on the set and recalled his dedication to his work and how he would spend time with the crewmembers and talk to them about their work. This was what he observed from afar.

He did see some irresponsible behavior on the part of some crewmembers, though, and he did meet Sharon Farrell, and was not impressed with her at all. (At the time he told me this story, neither of us knew about or read that interview).

He was not able to see the filming because of the closed set policy, but he saw a director yelling at Sharon for not having memorized her lines, and that crewmembers were avoiding her. He never saw Jack interact with her, and when my co-worker spoke to her for a few minutes, he got the impression that she was intoxicated or on some kind of medication. She slurred her words and could not stand still. He didn't relay to me the exact conversation, but that is what he noticed.

Added: Thursday 29 March 2012 16:41:29 MST


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

Hi Big H,

You will love the ACT OF PIRACY/GREAT WHITE CD - also, please check out his ONE MAN JURY CD for lots more great Stevens' "Action / dramatic" scoring - for a light, fun side of Morton Stevens, you really do need to pick up HARDLY WORKING!

Enjoy!!!...:)

Added: Thursday 29 March 2012 16:10:47 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

Glenn: I finally got off my keister and ordered a copy of "Act of Piracy/Great White." I should get it hopefully sometime next week. I think you and 50Forever both gave it positive reviews (that was at least a month ago) so I'll let you guys know what I think. I'm really looking forward to it b/c all of Stevens' 5-0 scores just blow me away and I eagerly want to hear some different compositions by him.

Added: Thursday 29 March 2012 14:31:21 MST


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

Here's a nice little article that I found regarding the new HARDLY WORKING CD by Morton Stevens. It was also mentioned that it is one of the top CDs to get this month. I have it and it is simply wonderful:

HARDLY WORKING

What is it?: Sure the overhyped "Artist” won the Oscar for Best Score. But even that movie’s French makers will likely admit it’s all about Jerry Lewis when it comes to comedy genius, whether the shtick has talk or not. This man of a million zany faces gave his composers ample opportunities for musical merriment, especially in the case of Morton Stevens’ accompaniment for the one-man unemployment office of 1980’s "Hardly Working,” its pratfalls sweetly embodied by the kind of musical storytelling that could just as well be placed into the effort of any silent funnyman.

Why should you buy it?: More famed as a television composer for such shows as "Voyage To the Bottom of the Sea” and "The Man from U.N.C.L.E,” let alone as the guy who wrote the theme for "Hawaii Five-O,” "Hardly Working” gave the prolific boob tube composer one of his rare chances to score a theatrical feature. And upon listening to this wonderfully melodic soundtrack, it’s amazing that Morton Stevens didn’t get more chances on the big screen. "Hardly Working” is a gem of old-school comedy scoring, when it was about playing a gag’s humorous arch, as opposed to having an orchestra hit every single joke. With a lushly thematic orchestral and brass band sound that brings to mind John Morris’ work on "Silent Movie,” Morton Stevens puts his sad sack clown theme through its clever paces, from the lurching horns and ding-dong doorbells of an inept mailman’s delivery to a way politically incorrect Japanese chef, capturing his multi-handed knife work with an Asian spin on "Madame Butterly” that proves to be this soundtracks’ inspired highlight. Like Chaplin, Lewis dared to throw unabashed empathy into his slapstick, music that always laughs with "Hardly Working”’s inept hero instead of mocking him, an approach that’s downright heroic for the rousing bunny march that accompanies the "Parade of the Clown Mailman.” By then end, Morton Stevens’ score is more of an affectionate smile than it is outright guffaw, and all the more of a melodically pleasurable listen because of it.

Extra Special: Like all legendary comics who tried to be "with-it” for changing times, "Hardly Working” has some fun pop and disco interludes, along with a pipe organ theme and an unhinged brass band that tries to play "When the Saints Come Marching In,” with their funniest bit seeing the inept players completely break down with the helter-skelter speed of "Crazy Clown Music.” But best of all, "Hardly Working” reveals a comedy scoring genius in Morton Stevens. It’s enough to make you wish that Buysoundtrax would also put out Stevens’ score for Lewis’ "Cracking Up,” let alone his music for alone for Johnny Yune’s "They Still Call Me Bruce.”

Added: Thursday 29 March 2012 13:26:20 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I checked on IMDB and I see no credit for Winston Char for DONOVAN'S REEF.

"Jack and Marie left a 40 million dollar endowment for the people of Hawaii, to be used in a number of cultural societies and charities of their choice."

Now this is what I like to read. Obvious facts related to Jack and Marie's love for the islands and the people of the islands. Not grapevine talk about jealousy, brain hemorrhaging, and other such stuff.

Added: Thursday 29 March 2012 11:57:11 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Elaine, according to IMDb, Winston Char was not in "Donovan's Reef;" however, he was in "The Hawaiians" (as were at least a half-dozen familiar Five-0 names).

You're quite right about Jack and Marie's benevolence. On February 1st of this year, the Salvation Army's Kroc Center opened on O`ahu. The center includes the Jack and Marie Lord Worship and Performing Arts Center, which was funded by a $4 million legacy left to the Salvation Army by J and M. Read about it: http://www.kroccenterhawaii.org/facility.html.

Added: Thursday 29 March 2012 11:55:16 MST


Submitted by: Elaine
From: Watertown, MA, USA

Rick: thanks for the info on Bonanza. My computer and I are both dinosaurs, so I can't watch that episode with Jack Lord on YouTube. I'll see if there's a DVD for sale for season one.

A question for anyone in the forum...Does anyone know if Winston Char who played Richard Han in A Bullet for McGarrett, Season 2, was in the movie Donovan's Reef? There is a sceen in the movie where John Wayne calls to Keoki to fetch the leading lady's purse which has fallen out of the outrigger canoe taking them ashore to the island of Haleakaloa. Keoki does a beautful swan dive off the topsail of the schooner and comes back to the surface with the purse. You only see his face for a split second but when I saw Winston Char on that episode of HFO, particularly in light of his dive off the diving board, it reminded me of the character in the movie. Does anyone know if he had a bit part there? Donovan's Reef was filmed on Kauai and when we were there, we stayed at the Coco Palms Resort, where some of the movie had been filmed. Beautiful place....not sure if it's still there or not....

I'll just add my two cents worth on the character of JL. One of the bio's I read stated that upon his death, Jack and Marie left a 40 million dollar endowment for the people of Hawaii, to be used in a number of cultural societies and charities of their choice. That is Jack and Marie's true legacy...a legacy of benevolence for the people of Hawaii. It didn't matter what he was like in life.... a person's legacy lives on long after they have died....so in my book, Jack was a good man...better than most, in fact. Buddha teaches us to take the "middle way"...nothing and no one is all good or all evil...

May the flowers of peace bloom beautifully in each heart.

Added: Thursday 29 March 2012 06:37:31 MST


Submitted by: Otto
From: NYC

Yes, Vrinda, please. Nothing against you, if you have something to say about the show, an episode, an actor, anything, i'd love to read it, but this escalating, almost spooky fixation on Lord's personality is clogging up the forum. I previously said, "who cares about his real life?" But my wording was incorrect. I'm not disinterested in his real life; just that i don't want a varnished version. I'm sure he was more pleasant to be with than his TV counterpart Steve.

Please take this fight directly to Mike, if it's that important, for the sake of Five-O fans.

Added: Wednesday 28 March 2012 22:17:53 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"The people who worked with Jack don’t get a free pass to criticize him"

I'm still trying to wrap by brain around this brain-twizzler. I'm reading it forwards and backwards and it still ain't making a lick of sense. How exactly does this work? I mean seriously - if I worked with someone and I had a bad experience working with that person then who's to tell me that I cannot speak about that unhappy experience? Seriously! What is this? The Gestapo? Sheesh. Obviously if I never worked with someone then I can't speak about that person. But if I have who the heck is gonna stop me? And who exactly is giving out these "free passes" to criticize? Are you, vrinda? Where do we place our orders for these passes? :!thinking:

Added: Wednesday 28 March 2012 22:06:27 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

> the biographer ... did not tell you anything unflattering about Jack ....

Sorry to burst your bubble, Vrinda, but the "biographer" certainly did. Unless there is more than one "biographer" we are talking about here.

You might want to ask >your< "biographer" friend if she sent me an e-mail on August 2, 2008 which is what I am referring to.

If you want to discuss this privately, my e-mail address is at the bottom of the page.

Added: Wednesday 28 March 2012 21:12:18 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I got a second commercial from MeTV which includes both Five-O and Cannon. It is the bottom one on this page:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/video/metv/

Added: Wednesday 28 March 2012 20:11:14 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Mike, Sharon was showing up late, did not have her lines memorized, and was bothering Jack. This much was told to me by the biographer, who did not tell you anything unflattering about Jack. I talk to the woman every other day, and she never told you anything unflattering. She got her information from her sources in Hawaii, which included Jack's secretary. I also got this information from a person who is not connected to this biographer in any way, and uncovered the information when doing research for a book on television production. He told me this before the biographer told me the same thing.

Added: Wednesday 28 March 2012 20:08:20 MST


Submitted by: AJ
From: NY

I know that Dennis Chun is the late Kam Fong's son. Is Amy Chun his daughter? I know she played [cute-as-a-button] Suzie in S9's opener "Nine Dragons". Now, I think I just spotted her in an uncredited 'bit part', as the nurse at the entrance to the bus serving as an inoculation center (as Bert "Tattletales" Convy was entering) in S6's "Charter for Death". Am I correct?

Added: Wednesday 28 March 2012 19:39:44 MST


Submitted by: Otto
From: nyc

But when ya really get down to it, McGarrett's a jerk too.

Added: Wednesday 28 March 2012 19:33:14 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Vrinda, instead of originally saying "[Farrell]'s comments [regarding Lord] were partially the result of her brain-damaged mind after her complic[a]tions in childbirth nine years before she did Five-O" (suggesting you have some kind of medical knowledge on the matter), why didn't you just say "[Farrell]'s comments [regarding Lord] were likely the result of her brain-damaged mind after her complic[a]tions in childbirth nine years before she did Five-O," suggesting this was just your opinion? Is this what you intended?

Second, you haven't addressed the issue of Farrell's "unprofessional behavior on the set." What do you mean by this?

As far as your later comment that "[p]eople on here are defending Sharon unconditionally," who is doing this? I am certainly not, and as far as I can see, no one else is either, especially to the extent of saying "Farrell is totally correct, Lord is totally wrong."

As far as quoting someone calling Lord a "monster" is concerned, I am quoting >you< as calling him this, and, by putting this word in quote marks, giving the suggestion of "air quotes."

Finally, concerning the biography and biographer of Lord which you mention, I think I will pass on this, thanks. You tell us about how this person went to Hawaii, interviewed all these people who worked on the show and all of whom totally gushed about Lord and what a great guy he was, but I was told some very different things by the same person which were not particularly flattering to Lord at all. References to this can be found in the archives somewhere.

Added: Wednesday 28 March 2012 18:43:36 MST


Submitted by: JosieI do Abbott
From: Glade Valley, North Carolina

After reading so much on Jack Lord and what kind of person he was, let me add my "two cents". The truth (as always)lies somewhere in between. Jack Lord's personality/character is no different. I am a die hard fan of his, always was and always will be. Let's get that out of the way. Mr. Lord himself, though not in so many words, indicated that he wasn't always a mellow person. "I don't kiss anyone's as-", or "I say what's on my mind". These are his words. However, that doesn't mean that Sharon Farrell or others can spread half truths or lies when it suits them, or when they feel they've been slighted. First, Ms. Farrell(the fact that she does have "mental issues") does not excuse her from disparaging remarks about Jack or Marie. How do I know these are not truths? Easy-and I'm surprised that many of you didn't figure this out. If a person was speaking truth, they wouldn't wait until the person was dead and couldn't defend themselves.This is a mark of a person with no character at all. In my day we called them "sleazebags". As to those actors/actresses who did work with Jack. Most had kind things to say, i.e. Marj Dusay, Michael Anderson Jr., Diana Mauldaur, Ricardo Montalban, to name just a few. What do all these folks have in common? (besides their saying complimentary thing about JL?)--they are all consummate Professionals-ready to do their jobs. Most who talked trash about Jack did so because they Didn't do their jobs, or were lazy. Something that Jack (because he came from the old school)couldn't tolerate. News flash!!-my parents and grandparents didn't stand for laziness either. Did Jack have faults? Of course!! Who doesn't? But the fact that he and Marie's union endured nearly 50 years is all the testimony needed to repudiate Ms. Farrell's ugly assertions that he treated her poorly.

Added: Wednesday 28 March 2012 17:37:42 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

I don’t give a damn if it’s just me. If you want to believe the "majority,” go ahead. There were over 150 people who worked on this show, not counting actors who guest-starred. This majority you speak of is not even accounted for, except for a few names. Go ahead and believe them, but that shows your level of thinking.

There is an entire website, with more interviews from people who worked on the show, here: http://www.hawaiifive0.org/centraldispatch.shtml and except for Zulu’s interview, everyone else spoken to there says kind things about Jack. Why you are so bent on believing that Jack was egotistical, nasty, difficult, and selfish, and are proudly proclaiming that you are "going with the majority” shows you are as bad as these people who tells these stories.

I even told you on the IMDb that Jack’s biographer had interviewed close to 100 people who worked on the show and they all spoke highly of Jack. That is the majority.
The fact that you would make such an idiotic claim that I would accuse you of accusing Jack of causing Leonard Freeman’s death proves what lack of common sense you have. Yu'd have to make that accusation first in order for me to accuse you.

Added: Wednesday 28 March 2012 16:34:44 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Mike, you are taking my words far too literally. I didn't quote anyone as calling him a monster. The way they are criticizing him, they are implying that. That doesn't mean that by labeling Jack a monster that they are accusing him of "crushing kittens and yelling at Girl Scouts." If you can’t figure out why I used the word, then you really do not comprehend what is being said. You know full well that people have criticized Jack’s behavior on the set, and said that he was mean and picked fights. The way he was maligned, people made him out to be a monster. Sharon did accuse Jack of treating Marie like a slave. That is in her interview. She said he ordered her around.

I'm not a doctor, but I'll be more than happy to take this question to a medical professional and find out.

Knowing that Sharon suffered brain damage prior to her time on Five-O, someone can make the connection that that injury will affect her memories of it, and if that is not the case, that doesn't mean she is telling the truth. From reading her interview, and I read it before I knew about her childbirth problems, I knew she was a liar. She went into great detail about roles she turned down to do Five-O and this alleged contract Jack promised her, so her statements after it sounded like pure resentment and accusations just to get even. All the things that I accused Sharon of stating are in her interview.

I wouldn't be the least bit interested in the gossip if it wasn't repeated so prominently across the internet. Seeing it all the time made me want to find out the truth. Some people are content to take these stories at face value, but I am not.

The people with whom Jack worked were not perfect themselves, yet everything they say is taken as the truth. People on here are defending Sharon unconditionally, but criticizing me and others for defending Jack. They want to believe her stories, and don’t even stop to think why she might be telling them. Just because I wasn’t there, that doesn’t mean I have to believe the negative stories or that I can’t poke holes in them. Hoosiergirl telling me "You weren’t there, you didn’t know Jack” is garbage. I’m not the one accusing him of giving me a contract and then taking it back. I’m not the one accusing him of treating his wife like a slave. I’m not the one accusing him of stalking me. I’m not the one claiming that he yelled at me for not taking pages from my script home to my son so he could scribble on them. Sharon was doing that.

I made these points before, and I will make them again. There are people who claimed to work with Jack and did not, and had nothing to do with them, and they claimed they did work with him and he was mean to them. They are liars and have no business making these claims. The people who worked with Jack don’t get a free pass to criticize him, unless they have legitimate grounds. Arguing that I wasn’t there and that I don’t have any business commenting is not going to get these people off the hook. I don’t need to have been there, because I know just how hungry for attention and money many people are, and what they will do to get it.

Added: Wednesday 28 March 2012 16:09:29 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

Some of Farrell’s claims seem outlandish, whereas others I could see. The claims that Vrinda referenced about Jack and Marie stalking her along with the stuff about prunes and toilet paper in particular do sound crazy. However, there were too many people who claimed over the years that Lord was difficult to work with for that not to be true at least somewhat. For example, it is telling that Ed Asner said that he didn’t initially remember much about playing the August March character originally, but evidently remembered enough about his appearance 37 years ago to recall that Lord was imperialistic on the set compared to the new crew. Then again, others have given more positive reviews of working with him (Jimmy Borges, Joe Moore), thus it very well could have depended on whom he was dealing or working with at any given time. We’ll never really know without having been there ourselves.

The only aspect of Lord’s personal life that I have ever really been interested in was the time after Hawaii Five-O ended in 1980. It is almost as if he completely disappeared from public life after the final episode. I have only seen a handful of pictures of him taken after Five-O ended. Lord seemed to be a very private man who was somewhat uncomfortable with the public spotlight. While Alzheimer’s no doubt would have kept him out of the public eye, I can’t imagine that the disease started during the final season as Farrell and others have claimed. Twenty years seems to be a long time to live with that condition, although he certainly could have had it for a decade or a little more, as Ronald Reagan did. It’s debatable that this could have kept him from appearing as a guest on Magnum, P.I. or another series in the early to mid ‘80s, for example, if he had desired to.

Added: Wednesday 28 March 2012 16:07:55 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"Mike and Ringfire insist that if any poster or person who worked with Jack says anything bad about him, that people come after them and haul them over the coals."

Actually, no. Not everybody. Just you. That's the really mind-boggling thing. Did someone appoint you as his personal defender? I honestly don't get it. I personally am indifferent - I'm neither his defender nor his attacker. In fact, the very fact that I love the man's work is reason enough for me to WANT to defend him. But if an overwhelming majority say that he was difficult or egotistical then I tend to believe the majority. The fact that you can find some folks who have nice things to say about him doesn't change much, does it? I'm sure even Howard Stern has people who say what a sweetheart he is. So what's your point? I mean if everyone on the planet absolutely loathed Jack then I guess he'd really have to be some king of a horrible monster, right? But this is not the case. What we have here is a case where you have a majority saying that Jack was not such a joy to work with. And I minority who say that he was. Guess who I'm going to believe? That's right - the majority. And no claims of jealousy, unprofessionalism (is that a word?), brain damage, etc. can change that.

I mean when Al Harrington says that from the get-go Jack was dead set against him being Kono's replacement because he was "too tall or too something" then I have to believe that came from somewhere. It didn't materialize out of thin air, did it? Especially since we know that 2 years later (after Lenny Freeman died no less) Al was gone. Bottom line is that Jack wanted to have firm control of the show and run it as he saw fit. Lenny's death gave him that opportunity. Simple as that. But knowing you you'll probably come back and accuse me of making insinuations that Jack was responsible for Lenny's death. :D

Added: Wednesday 28 March 2012 15:44:33 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Vrinda, you are totally missing the point of what I said.

When I said "How do you know this for a fact," I am not referring to the "fact" that Farrell suffered from problems resulting from childbirth. This is indeed well known.

Two sentences later I said "Farrell has admitted she has or had cognitive difficulties," which means I accept this "fact." I certainly didn't disagree with this or make an issue out of it.

I am asking how can you say for a "fact" (even "partially") that the comments Farrell made about Jack Lord were as a result of these problems?

To connect these two "facts" requires a certain degree of medical expertise. Do you have such expertise? Yes or no? Otherwise, you are just speculating.

Who is saying that Jack Lord was a "monster"? Did he crush baby kittens with his bare hands? Did he beat his wife? Did he yell at Girl Guides who tried to sell him cookies at his apartment?

I've never heard anything like this. From what I have read and have been told, Lord was difficult in some ways, but as I pointed out, and so did Ringfire, I couldn't care less about B.S. like this. I only judge the man based on his acting, specifically on Five-O, and there are few issues regarding this as far as I am concerned.

Added: Wednesday 28 March 2012 12:38:00 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Mike, Sharon's medical condition was not made up by me. Numerous movie websites, such as the AMC, the the book "Film Fatales: Women in Espioage Films and Television" mentioned it. You're on the internet, you could looked up any biographical information on Sharon, and that fact is there.

I made the comments I did because the woman who is writing Jack's biography was given information by people who worked on the show, including Jack's secretary, and they confirmed this. I'll give you this author's name and contact information, and you can find out from her what information she got. I'll gladly give it you. You can contact me through Facebook, or if you have my email, write to me and I'll give it to you.

Hoosiergirl: Same as with Mike. The author went to Hawaii and intereiewed most of the crewmembers who worked on the show, and the information they gave her is what I am sharing. It's not speculation or secondhand. Did someone designate you as the resident attacker of anyone who defends Jack, and the resident defender of anyone who attacks him?

No, I didn't know him or work with him. I never said I did. You're also doing the same thing you're accusing me of doing. If you want to believe that Jack was a monster and side with everyone who bashes him, go do it if it makes you happy. If you think that I came here and made up that story about Sharon having brain damage, and are are bent on accusing me of libelt, then you are the one who is looking for trouble.

I've only seen you on here to attack Elaine when she made those comments about Ed Asner, and then you come after me. That's no surprise. Did Sharon designate you as her defender?

Mike and Ringfire insist that if any poster or person who worked with Jack says anything bad about him, that people come after them and haul them over the coals. I made it clear before that I see the direct opposite. Anyone who attacks Jack is defended and people make excuses for them, regardless of what they say. You and Mike say I am being libelous, but if Sharon's accusations are so true, why didn't she take legal action against Jack or CBS? You can't and won't go after her because you want to believe her comments. You can go after me because I am here and make the excuse that I am not connected to the show and didn't know Jack, and can accuse me of making everything up. D

Did you not read my earlier comments? How could Jack offer Sharon and William a contract when it is not part of his job and it's the network's job to do so? Her brain damage was written about in many places like I just told Mike.

You, Maxine, Mike, and Ringfire can question everything I say and say I'm making things up all you want, but the truth will come out. Jack was not perfect, and let's contstantly point that out, but everyone else with whom he worked was a perfect, wonderful person who never did wrong in their lives. Questioning anything they say is a crime no matter what other circumstances there were and what else contriubted to them making their comments. William and Sharon are automatically right in everything they say and their words cannot be questioned (sarcasm).

Added: Wednesday 28 March 2012 12:10:39 MST


Submitted by: Maxine
From: Brooklyn

"The only comments I read from William Smith are where he thought his time in Hawaii would be fun and it turned out to be a 'shitty day in paradise.' He was acting from the time he was nine years old, so he should have known what he was doing, and if he had problems working with Jack, I doubt they were all the result of Jack's behavior."

Another way to phrase this last sentence would be, "He was acting from the time he was nine years old, so he might actually know what he's talking about."

Added: Wednesday 28 March 2012 10:45:19 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

That's pretty much it, Mr. Mike. It seems that whoever makes a disparaging remark about Jack can be attacked on the spot. No problems there. But heaven help us if someone makes a disparaging remark about Jack. Then all kinds of accusation start flaring up regarding the party in question - jealousy, spite, unprofessional behavior, brain damage, child birth issues, etc. No way those disparaging remarks about Jack could *possibly* be true, right? Of course not. Perish the thought.

Added: Wednesday 28 March 2012 10:35:39 MST


Submitted by: Hoosiergirl
From: NapTown

Vrinda said: "My point here is that you have to be careful what you say about people. Freedom of speech does not mean telling stories about them to malign their character..."

Wow....the fact you can't see the irony in that statement is jaw dropping astounding to me.

You weren't there when the show was filmed. You didn't know Jack Lord. You didn't work with him. Any info you have is second hand and as speculative as any other poster on the internet. So I'm not sure why you have deigned yourself his defender. I understand disagreeing with someone's assessment, that is what discussion is all about, but to go out and malign those who make comments you disagree with makes you as bad as you perceive them to be.

Added: Wednesday 28 March 2012 10:24:43 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

> Sharon [Farrell]'s comments [regarding Jack Lord] were partially the result of her brain-damaged mind after her complictions [sic] in childbirth nine years before she did Five-O....

Vrinda, this is a pretty astounding statement. How do you know this for a fact? Aren't you just speculating here?

For example, do you have access to Farrell's medical records, or do you have some kind of medical expertise which qualifies you to say this?

What this sounds like is: Just because Farrell has admitted she has or had cognitive difficulties, that means that select things which you don't like are as a result of those difficulties. What you are saying is pure speculation -- nobody can prove or disprove any of it.

I find it interesting that you further state "What she said about Jack were criminal accuastions [sic]," whereas your own comments above (although I am no lawyer) seem to me to be verging on libellous.

As far as Farrell's "unprofessional behavior on the set is concerned," what are you talking about here? Are you referring to Farrell's own comments about what happened when she was working on Five-O, especially in the final season? Aren't you suggesting that everything that comes out of her mouth is a lie? Or only the things that put Jack Lord in a bad light, but not her?

Added: Wednesday 28 March 2012 09:30:51 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I watched Wooden Model of a Rat again a couple of days ago. There is something interesting -- there is a shot of this shelf in the previous show with all these knick knacks on it in the museum. In Asner's house in the new show, they have virtually the same knick-knacks on a similar shelf. Also, in the clips from the old show there is a brief glimpse of the museum director.

After watching the old show, there really seems to be something missing there ... like Asner's character is pretty oily, but he is not oily enough ... certainly not as oily as Kwan Hi Lim’s character. And the museum director should have been a quirky type. I think the direction for this show was pretty boring, compared to some. They should have had the guy who did Double Exposure direct this show, he would have made it totally rank!

There are also some issues with the old show, like the fact that Kwan Hi Lim's character sneaks into the armored car to switch the rats (it isn’t stated if he just sneaks in while it is parked at McGarrett's, or he was in the truck while it was transporting McGarrett's dinky treasures from his house to the museum). This is a plot device very similar to some of the lame plot devices from the new series!

And I still think this whole episode is a lot of much ado about nothing, similar to the later season shows about rich folks, the business about March being the guy in charge of the smuggling racket that Five-O is investigating notwithstanding.

Added: Wednesday 28 March 2012 06:42:41 MST


Submitted by: Gem
From: Ohio

"Who cares what he was like in REAL LIFE?"

I'm with Vrinda - I care about what JL was like in real life. Any time I really like an actor, writer, director, etc, I want to know more about them. Generally this is because what these people do or create is something of quality and makes me want to know more. Long before I ever learned anyone else's opinion, I was impressed by the intensity of JL's acting and the quality of the show. So I wondered, who is this guy? How does he do that? What inspired him? Is he like his character? As Vrinda pointed out, it is hard to find the answers to these questions when people circulate gossip and rumors.

I also agree that what JL was really like has nothing to do with enjoying the show. I would still like it and him regardless of what my curiosity turned up.

And why do I want to know more about certain people? To learn/ to be inspired. I only recently read the story of Kam Fong's tragic loss of his family when a plane crashed into his house. I was so impressed by his story that I told it to my kids. I said, you know, here was a guy who lost everything, wanted to die, but he went on with his life, joined the police force and 20 years later ends up starring on a tv show of all things and entertaining and inspiring multitudes of people. So, no matter what tragedy might befall you in life, don't give up because you never know what can happen. Assuming this story is true (because I did read it on the internet!), it was well worth finding out what someone was like in real life.

Added: Wednesday 28 March 2012 06:02:42 MST


Submitted by: AJ
From: NY

I have now finished viewing every episode of every season of the original H5O. Debating whether I should buy the DVDs of the 1st season of the new H5O.

:!thinking:

Added: Tuesday 27 March 2012 21:05:25 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

"I swear some folks (no need to mention any names) jump to his defense as if he was their father or something."

Ringfire - there is no law that says someone has to be related to you in order for you to defend them. If that were the case, Jack would be maligned continuosly, with no one of his direct bloodline to speak up for him, snce his only son died long before the Internet ever existed.

I can't speak for the others here, and I know from experience that we had arguments on this very subject, but my reason for defending Jack to deflect the comments which are fabricated, and to present what may have been his side, since Jack never addressed thes rumors and is no longer here to defend himself. Like I said earlier, many of the comments I've seen on the internet were made up completely. They were written by people who had nothing to do with him or the show. I even caught people in some of these lies, and they were still adamant that they were telling the truth.

I would ignore these stories if they were few and far between, but since the new show came on the air, and caused a resurgence of interest in the original series and its cast, these stories about Jack's character have come out in droves, with people simply repeating what the tabloids wrote as if they were the truth.

My point here is that you have to be careful what you say about people. Freedom of speech does not mean telling stories about them to malign their character, especially after they're gone and are not here to defend themselves.

Added: Tuesday 27 March 2012 20:25:56 MST


Submitted by: otto
From: NYC

Damn, only four episodes left unseen in S.7. Wondering which one to watch tonight, perhaps THE HOSTAGE. I just noticed there are no two-parters in s7.

Added: Tuesday 27 March 2012 20:19:23 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"Lastly, i am perplexed by the need of some to so adamantly testify to the character of Jack Lord. Who cares what he was like in REAL LIFE?" -- Amen, brother! AMEN!!

I swear some folks (no need to mention any names) jump to his defense as if he was their father or something. Geez! I love Sean Connery but from many accounts he was a jerk in real life. So what? I will continue enjoying the man's performances until the day I die. Same with Jack. Why get one's panties in a knot over these things? I simply don't get it. Lord was an awesome presence on screen as McG! As for his personal life it doesn't really matter much to me. The general consensus is that he was a very difficult man. I'm cool with that. Don't really care. I didn't have to work with him or hang out with him. His performances are all I care about!

What was it that Ma Ferguson said in ONE BIG HAPPY FAMILY? "They wasn't kin ... they was all strangers ... it don't count with strangers". :D So unless Jack is my kin I don't really care. Last time I checked he wasn't. Bay-beeee!!!!!! Faaar out!!!!

Added: Tuesday 27 March 2012 16:50:24 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

In watching S11’s "Death Mask” yesterday, the plodding pace of the story when compared to the earlier years of the show became more apparent to me. Previously, there was a clip similar to a film running with suspenseful music that would transition from one scene to the next, which was unique compared with other series. In this and many season 10-12 episodes, there is usually a slow fade when one scene ends and another begins. Similarly, the wave breaks are not nearly as suspenseful in these later shows as before. There is also more wasted screen time, such as the lengthy sequence when Danny is walking up to Iolani Palace after interviewing Chandler in jail in this episode. Furthermore, several episodes from this season alone could have easily been Murder, She Wrote storylines (this one, "The Miracle Man”, "The Sleeper”, "Horoscope For Murder”, and especially "The Case Against Philip Christie”). Nothing against Jessica Fletcher, but this is Hawaii Five-O.

One other noteworthy tidbit was that the teaser at the beginning was edited from the original. I remember seeing the original teaser awhile back which lasted for about a minute, whereas this one was 30 seconds. Also, some of the scenes in the teaser appear slightly different from the actual episode, maybe with other takes being used for some of those. I have always disliked teasers at the start of any show. Either the approach used in seasons 1-4 (showing some of the story prior to the opening sequence) or seasons 5-8 (beginning with the opening sequence) were preferable in my view.

Regarding Vrinda’s comments about Sharon Farrell and William Smith, I tend to agree. While Lord could be difficult to deal with, he didn’t have the authority to offer her a continuation series or anything beyond a job on Five-O, as CBS would have had to do that. Continuing Five-O either without Lord or with him in a limited role would have never succeeded. This would have been about the equivalent of continuing Barnaby Jones with J.R. and Betty leading the business and Buddy Ebsen making limited appearances (and these were established characters). If CBS had been high on Farrell and Smith, they would likely have just offered them a new series to begin with given that they were both established actors at the time. Hawaii Five-O was in serious decline in 1979 and almost didn’t get renewed for a 12th season to begin with. And, beyond the episodes introducing their characters, neither actor distinguished themselves with their performances enough to warrant a promotion, if you will. I also find it a little hard to believe that Lord was suffering from even the beginning stages of Alzheimer’s during the last season. This season was produced in 1979, and he died in 1998. 19 years is a long time to suffer with Alzheimer’s disease or even many forms of dementia.

Added: Tuesday 27 March 2012 15:56:40 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

"Who cares what he was like in REAL LIFE?" Otto, I think many of us desire to know the real JL because we know what McG was like, and we want to know if JL was like him (or not) in real life b/c we admire the character McG so much. In many ways, I think JL was very similar to McG....if you were McG's friend, he would fight to the death for you, but if you got on his wrong side, those blue eyes would flash, teeth would clench, and then he would chew your @$$ off royally. And I'm not criticizing JL by saying this, because God knows, there are no angel's wings on my back.

Agree with you 100% on the philosophizing on song choice too.... :!thinking:

Added: Tuesday 27 March 2012 10:07:55 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

"Lastly, i am perplexed by the need of some to so adamantly testify to the character of Jack Lord. Who cares what he was like in REAL LIFE?"

Otto - if you read the previous comments, you would see that Mike made a reference to people getting up in arms if Jack is criticized, but people started commenting on Ed Asner's political beliefs and how they might have applied to is comments on working with Jack, and were criticizing Ed. That is when I made my comment on Jack and how he was maligned, and people also made their comments in effect.

Maxine - I don't know what point you are trying to make by your reference to everything others have said about Jack sounding similar to him having an "imperial presence" and getting an idea of his character from that, but Sharon's comments are nothing but sour grapes and her own need for attention. I don't know what William's gripe is, because I didn't read any interviews with him, but Sharon's comments were partially the result of her brain-damaged mind after her complictions in childbirth nine years before she did Five-O, and her unprofessional behavior on the set. What she said about Jack were criminal accuastions, and plain insane nonsense. She accused Jack and Marie of stalking her, that Jack was sexually harassing her, and breached a contract. She also claimed that he verbally abused Marie. Her claims about him yelling at her for not giving her son the old paper from her scripts to scribble on, that he sent her prunes and had toilet paper delivered to her are all fabrications from her mixed-up mind.

The only comments I read from William Smith are where he thought his time in Hawaii would be fun and it turned out to be a "shitty day in paradise." He was acting from the time he was nine years old, so he should have known what he was doing, and if he had problems working with Jack, I doubt they were all the result of Jack's behavior.

When we hear these stories, they have to be taken with a grain of salt. I don't know if William ever claimed this, but Sharon seemed adamant that she was denied a chance to do a continuation of Five-O show which allegedly Jack promised her, and that is what fueled her rants. She was trying to have the last laugh, and it failed. It sounds preposterous to begin with, since it is the TV networks that give contracts and give the go-ahead to do spinoffs, not the actors or producers.

Added: Tuesday 27 March 2012 09:01:13 MST


Submitted by: OTTO
From: NYC

Working my way through Season 7. Last night's features were RING OF LIFE and STUDY IN RAGE. The first was pretty cool, and it was unusual how the title card zooms toward us and stops in place. Don Knight was his reliably menacing self. But my favorite bit was the 'boxman' Clark. Knight's character complained that his previous man had "talked too much," so they sent Clark. I LOVED his performance. A man of one-word sentences. The comedic potential of this was just getting going, but then Clark was no longer needed for the story. Too bad. I could have used an entire episode of that guy!

STUDY IN RAGE was a riot. The scary-eyed white dude made up to look like a half-Hawaiian. The psychiatrist's surrealistic portrait of the villain's mind. (who among us wouldn't love to have that painting!). And the uproariously silly ending with McG and Danno jaunting around with gas-masks! The entire denouement had me laughing out loud! LOVED IT. (i never care if a situation is plausible, only if it's entertaining)

Also, yesterday i had ANTENNA TV playing most the day while i tooled around the house. An episode of THE FLYING NUN featured Miko Mayama (the unfortunate rape victim in SKINHEAD). She was dolled up in a very sexy shiny tight-fitting dress, and she was gorgeous head-to-toe. She was a shocker. Too bad she only had one five-o gig.

Another point: the politicking on this forum is unfortunate since we're all here because we live the FIVE. I don't give a damn about anyone's politics here; only what they've observed, appreciated or hated about an episode or aspect of the FIVE. If Rainbow has left us, then i will miss some of his insightful comments about the show, but we all know who's in charge on this site, so best to keep it cool.

Lastly, i am perplexed by the need of some to so adamantly testify to the character of Jack Lord. Who cares what he was like in REAL LIFE? I would rather listen to a good song written by a complete a--hole than a bad song written by my best friend.

Added: Monday 26 March 2012 20:27:47 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

The truth is in the offing, and the offing is very generous where Jack is concerned.

Look at the guest stars: First, the best of the best in Jack's generation; for example, Helen Hayes, Mildred Natwick, Peter Lawford, Robert Vaughn, and Robert Reed. Second, the best of the best in my generation; for example, Marj Dusay, Michael Anderson, Jr. (who studied under Sir John Mills), Juliet Mills, Victoria Principal, and Barry Bostwick. Third, the Hawaiian actors who returned year after year (some of whom even followed Jack to "M Station: Hawaii"); for example, Herman Wedemeyer, Kwan Hi Lim, Jerry Waialae, Elissa Dulce, and Tommy Fujiwara.

Let us not forget these, as well: First, real-life Honolulu Mayor Frank Fasi appeared ("How to Steal a Masterpiece"). Second, Richard Denning (Governor Jameson) appeared all 12 seasons without a contract. Third, let us not forget the 37 actors who followed Jack to Five-0 from "Stoney Burke" (most appeared multiple times). That list includes Ed Asner, by the way.

Those are cold, hard facts that speak for themselves.

Added: Monday 26 March 2012 18:52:52 MST


Submitted by: Maxine
From: Brooklyn

Has any actor who's worked with Jack Lord NOT commented on his "imperial presence" in whatever wording they prefer? I think we can easily piece together all the comments actors have made and get a pretty good idea of what the man was like on the Five-O set. I'm not sure why Ed Asner has been singled out here. Sharon Farrell and William Smith, to name two, have said much harsher things about Lord and I don't remember their politics being brought up. Nor do I recall William Smith's work ethic being assailed (how could it be - the guy served in the Korean War and secretly flew Air Force planes over the Soviet Union).

Added: Monday 26 March 2012 18:35:50 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Thank you, H5-0 1.0. That was well-said. Many of my younger friends who like the original series often come to me and ask about Jack, his life, the rumors about him, etc., and I always try to answer their questions to the best of my knowledge and give them the facts as I have and see them, but I also emphasize that a lot of what they may read about Jack on the internet is nothing but hearsay, rumors, and tall tales with little factual backing.

The stories they tell me and what I see myself, of people criticizing Jack on other forums are disturbing and make me shake my head at the strangeness and nastiness that people possess. These people who say mean things about Jack are not going by any factual evidence, but by what they heard someone else say - someone who also had nothing to do with the show and never met or worked with Jack, or what they read in the tabloids - who fabricate everything they print. That these people believe that nonsense shows what little common sense they have.

My point here is not to dispute the rumors, which would take up far more space than would be allowed here, but to say that just because the press and people who worked with Jack said unkind things about him, that doesn't give everyone the right to tell lies about him, making the same claims - that he was mean, conceited, egotistical, etc. They didn't know him or work with him, so they don't know if he was really that way, and have no business commenting on him. They are committing slander.

Because of the internet, it's easy for someone to come onto a message board and make certain claims. Even those who knew and worked with Jack have no business saying negative things about him unless he really did do or say anything untoward them. Even then, they should carefully think of what they are going to say and what defense they have for their own words and actions. They can't just say he was mean to them and leave it at that. People will want to know what he said and did, what these people said and did, i.e. the whole story, not just one side. These accusations cannot be one-sided.

Regardless of how Jack was viewed by the media and in interviews with his co-stars and crewmembers, no one's got any right to slander him or come onto a public forum and make attacks on his character based on third-hand information.

I saw a blog where the writer accused Jack of revising the scripts to give himself more lines, choosing scripts which showcased McGarrett as being perfect and a suave ladies' man, and that he rejected scripts that gave Danno and Chin more exposure. The writer also claimed that he and friends of his saw Jack in bookstores over the years, and that he ordered the salespeople around like servants, so that proved to him that those rumors about Jack being arrogant, snobby, and egotistical were true. His words were: brusque and demanding, treating salespeople as servants to be ordered about.

I sent the man an email and asked him from where he got his information about the scripts, and about those bookstore stories. He didn't explain in detail in his blog what he and his friends witnessed Jack saying to the salespeople in these bookstores (what some people think is brusque and demanding may not sound that way to others). He never responded to my email. I’m certain he was exaggerating just to get attention and sound like he was all-important. The accounts I heard from people who met Jack while shopping, in Hawaii and in LA, were much different than his and made Jack out to be very gentlemanly.

I came across others who claimed that they met him and that he wasn’t nice, but they never tell what Jack said and did in their initial comments (these are on message boards). When I ask them to explain themselves, they clam up and either ignore me, or give some generic answer (he was nice enough, but conceited, etc.). That doesn’t cut it. Either they explain the situation and the dialogue, or they keep their cyber mouths shut. Simply coming onto a message board and stating that they met Jack and he wasn’t nice, and not saying anything more is meaningless and doesn’t prove their point. They should know that people are going to want to know the whole story, not this person’s choice of adjectives.

I’m done with my preaching and am getting off my soapbox now. I will end with this: the fact that people still feel the need to speak negatively about Jack all these years later – with little to no explanation or even resorting to fabrications – says more about them than it does about him.

Added: Monday 26 March 2012 17:20:27 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"Well, I thought the old socialist pauper did a good job in his guest appearance"

Yep, he def did! Speaking of the old socialist pauper, I think he was a huge reason why UP remains my favorite PIXAR film to date. Love that film!!

Also I think I have to agree with a poster below who said that seeing the 82-year old March blowing away the girl with a shot to the back was a bit out of character. I felt the same way to be honest. I still love the twist but March (especially at 82) seems to me more like a sly fox than a murderer. Especially when you recall the cute scene where he tries to walk away with the diamond from Kono and after she catches him in the act he gives her a smile and a kiss on the hand. But then again maybe he's more than meets the eye. In any case, it makes the ending more shocking. Also if you recall in "Wooden Model of a Rat" he did order the murder of Lupin and was himself ready to pull the trigger on Suzari.

Added: Monday 26 March 2012 16:58:36 MST


Submitted by: August March
From: with some diamonds

"as i said before

never turn your back on the buyer!!"

BLAM!

wheeeee

sploosh!

"glub"

Added: Monday 26 March 2012 14:13:07 MST


Submitted by: Steve's Girl
From: Germany

Well said, H50.

Added: Monday 26 March 2012 13:30:31 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Come on, Mike and Rainbow. We all know political opinions and financial stati range from one end of the spectrum to the other on all sites, not just this one. Let's just agree to disagree, okay? Please.

The thing we have in common is that we all like H50 (in one or more of its several iterations). Let's hold onto that and forget the rest. 50 billion years from now, it is not going to matter whether this person or that was bankrupt or politically liberal or anything else. So, why should it matter, now? It doesn't.

I just marvel at the fact that, after more than 43 years, H50 is still dearly beloved. JL continues to serve as a role model for young people. Yes! I have members 13-21 years old on my site, who have told me they need someone they can look up to, and they look up to JL. Wow! And we are helping to pass the legacy along. That's what's really important. Okay? Please.

Added: Monday 26 March 2012 11:47:46 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Yes, Rainbow, I agree...

Added: Monday 26 March 2012 11:46:16 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

That's they way you sound when I you read your comments. If you want me to think differently about you, show me something to change my mind.... I think I'll stop now and leave the board for a while, as I'm headed toward saying something which will cause you to take your ball and go home, and cause the rest of the people here to lose their forum, so I'll cool it with the postings. As I said before a long time ago, we both know that we don't care for each other, so it's best for all here if we don't interact.

Added: Monday 26 March 2012 11:26:51 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

> We are all aware of your left leaning, "I'm a child of the counter culture, those were the days when we protested the man" views.

Like I said, I sure don't know where you came up with this.

Added: Monday 26 March 2012 10:57:13 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

"I find it pretty funny that if anyone dares to say anything even remotely bad about Jack Lord in this and other fan forums, it is like they spit at Jesus,"

Mike, I haven't been keeping track, but I know Jack has been badmouthed on here quite a few times, with no one except me getting out the cyber pitchforks on frequent occasions,but people here have come to Ed Asner's defense. I'll say this: his politics mean nothing to me, and he has his reasons for doing the things he did in the past. My questions arose from the comments he made about his time filming on the original show, which I have discerned for what they are and am leaving at that.

Added: Monday 26 March 2012 10:54:44 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Mike,

I worked in professional hockey for a long time, and count many wonderful Canadiens as friends and good people. I love Canada, and I don't judge people by the group, only a pee wit judges people by the group. I judge individuals by who and what they are and what they say, not by what country they come from. I don't stereotype, but you just stereotyped. Liberals are all emotion and no logic, where conservatives like myself use logic and reason not emotion. Here ends the lesson. You tried to label me and lost.

Added: Monday 26 March 2012 10:45:34 MST


Submitted by: Hoosiergirl
From: NapTown

From Elaine: "Hope this clears the air for you"

Not quite. You state your sister says it's been widely reported that Asner is/was deeply in debt and filed for bankruptcy. Totally possible, of course, so since I had some down time yesterday thought I'd see if anything showed up on an internet search. First pass got me nada. So I got more specific and kept going farther back...all the way to 2000. (yeah, I got a tad obsessed) I searched for his name plus 'files bankruptcy' 'debt' 'money trouble' and 'bankrupt.' Again, nothing stating that he ever filed bankruptcy or was in debt. And nothing came up on Inside Edition's website when I searched for Asner either.

I also looked at several stories in the last year regarding an "Up" sequel since you stated he wanted to do it because he needed the money. Once again, I came up empty. In the ten articles I read he said a variation of this quote...

From EW.com, May 2011 - bit.ly/kUjX67

We know you’re busy and all, but will there ever be an "Up" sequel?

"No. They talked about it when it first came out, but [director] Pete Doctor had other things he wanted to do first. I think he did such a genius piece of work on that. I just hope I’m alive when they get to Up 2."

So, until I see a report or quote from Ed Asner in a reasonably reputable outlet, I'm chalking up his bankruptcy woes up to rumor.

Added: Monday 26 March 2012 10:11:42 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

Mr. Mike:
I don't suppose you would consider putting Ms. Freeman's in memoriam pic on the home page along side her senior pic, would you? She was such a lovely lady and I think that would be a great tribute to her for all of us here that are fans of hers.

With regards to Asner's performance, I thought it was solid, somewhat predictable ending though(the story, not his performance). But the ending was "out of character" I thought, for an 82-year old diamond thief. I was really hoping for a "con-scheme" by him to possess the diamonds ala Filer or Newman's STING performance, not a quick and cheap bullet-in-the-back double-cross. This would have protrayed Asner's character more of a wise old fox instead of a murderer.

Added: Monday 26 March 2012 09:49:36 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

From Deadline Hollywood:

Michelle Borth Joins CBS’ ‘Hawaii Five-0′ As New Regular
By NELLIE ANDREEVA | Monday March 26, 2012 @ 8:32am PDT

EXCLUSIVE: Steve McGarrett’s love life is looking up. Michelle Borth, who appeared in five episodes of Hawaii Five-0‘s first two seasons as McGarrett’s squeeze, will join the CBS procedural as a regular when it returns for a third season in the fall. She will reprise her role as McGarrett’s girlfriend, Lt. Catherine Rollins. Borth, repped by CAA, New Wave Entertainment and Marcy Morris, first guest starred in the fourth episode of Hawaii Five-0‘s first season and was most recently seen in an episode last month. She previously starred on ABC’s The Forgotten and Canadian-produced Combat Hospital. Borth is the second recurring guest star to be upped to regular on Hawaii Five-0 following last year’s promotion of Masi Oka. She joins Grace Park as the second female regular cast member on the show.

Added: Monday 26 March 2012 09:45:14 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I don't know where the heck you get those ideas, Rainbow. While it is true that I used to hang out with dope-smokin', pig-hatin', long haired freak types during the 60's and thereabouts, I would describe myself as a "hanger on," rather than a true believer.

I guess the fact that I live in Canada with its satanic socialized medicine and equally bad things (we won't even get into the tar sands and shit like that) has influenced your view. :!nerd:

Added: Monday 26 March 2012 09:38:15 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Mike:

We are all aware of your left leaning, "I'm a child of the counter culture, those were the days when we protested the man" views. Thank you for contributing. No need to get huffy.

Added: Monday 26 March 2012 08:53:29 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I find it pretty funny that if anyone dares to say anything even remotely bad about Jack Lord in this and other fan forums, it is like they spit at Jesus, but poor old Ed Asner is being slagged as a godless Commie and a bitchin' bankrupt, no doubt because he was perceived in some quarters as criticizing Lord and the old show in recent interviews.

Well, I thought the old socialist pauper did a good job in his guest appearance, just like Jack Lord did an exemplary job in his starring role on the show despite all the bad things that people said and still say about >him<.

Added: Monday 26 March 2012 08:31:57 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Rick in Newport Beach,

Extremely well written and well said comments on Ed Asner below. I couldn't agree with you more! Big Chicken is my Pacific Northwest brother. I think now you're my new SoCal brother on Newport Beach!

Added: Monday 26 March 2012 07:30:10 MST


Submitted by: Kate
From: Canada

Is Danny limping in his quick shot in the opening titles? Why? and Could you tell us the idea behind the Hawaiian show titles and how we can find out what they mean. I Google them but only get a reference to the episode. Thanks. Kate

Added: Sunday 25 March 2012 17:35:58 MST


Submitted by: There can be only 1.0
From: So Cal

RE: season 10 download quality on Amazon Prime.

Mr. Mike – I don’t have the season 10 DVDs - haven’t purchased them due to the well-known quality issues. I’ve watched season 10 on download from Amazon Prime (cable directly to my HDTV). The quality is good enough, even in comparison to the remastered HD episodes, that I’ve been wondering about all the negative comments for the DVDs. If Amazon has an alternate source (better quality) for the download season 10, that would explain the apparent discrepancy. btw, Amazon notes that season 10 is SD only, while the other seasons are available in SD or HD.

Another person asked about some seasons (8,9,11) now not being offered for unlimited (free) streaming to Amazon Prime members. It was rumored that Amazon was going to flip some of the unlimited content to PPV, and they’ve apparently done so. Oddly, two eps of season 10 are now PPV only. The rest are still unlimited viewing, but there is no option to purchase an episode. Seems odd – all the other free episodes have the option to buy. I can only conclude Amazon is toying w/ their pricing model & will see what comments they get. [In another example, the Bonanza season 1 episode "Outcast” with Jack Lord used to be available for streaming for Amazon Prime members, but has been removed. Perhaps they have licensing issues.]

Mahalo for the entertaining & informative site.
:!cool:

Added: Sunday 25 March 2012 14:21:15 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

Asner is a talented actor with a successful career but he also happens to be at the extreme left of a community that is overpopulated with extreme leftist nut-jobs. He is a 9/11 truther… he believes the Bush administration was behind the twin towers collapse. He is a supporter of convicted cop killer and former Black Panther Mumia Abu-Jamal despite his conviction being upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court. And he is an avowed socialist who has himself lived the privileged life of a Hollywood celebrity. As far as his complaints about being fired for his political beliefs, I seriously doubt it. Asner’s politics hardly stand out in Hollywood. More likely it’s sour grapes from a bitter old man with a proclivity for making inflammatory and bombastic statements.

Elaine - the Jack Lord Bonanza episode is THE OUTCAST season 1, episode 17... I think it’s on youtube in it’s entirety.

Added: Sunday 25 March 2012 13:19:22 MST


Submitted by: Elaine
From: Watertown, MA, USA

Hoosiergirl from NapTown: Ouch! I don't rumor-monger for fun or anything else!

I used the term "rumor" because one should never believe everything that's said or seen on Tv or the internet. But it was Inside Edition that reported that Ed Asner was deeply in debt and had filed for bankruptcy. I believe there was also an interview with Mr. Asner (which I did not see, so this is second hand info), in which he stated that he was hoping to do the sequel to UP (the animated film that he voiced-over) because he needed the money! I asked my sister about this; she religiously follows Inside Edition and Entertainment Tonight and says that it has been widely reported that Mr. Asner is deeply in debt.

It is a sad but true fact that many actors and actresses find themselves in deep financial distress in their senior years. Certainly during the years of Mary Tyler Moore and the Lou Grant show, salaries weren't what they are today. Remember the Friends contract squabbles? The cast was paid over a hundred thousand dollars per episode and they wanted more! That's a lot of coconuts! Now whether the actors and actresses of the old days spent their money on lavish lifestyles (no shortage of that in Hollywood), or invested their money (wisely or foolishly), when their residuals run out, some find themselves deeply in debt. I don't know Mr. Asner's history...I've never really cared for his persona (I do remember watching him being interviewed on some talk show in the late eighties, I think, and he was pretty abrasive, but that might have been because his show had been canceled...I don't really remember. For, I too, am a senior citizen and am losing my gray cells daily!

Hope this clears the air for you.

I have a question for the forum. Does anyone know which Bonanza epsiode Jack Lord guest-starred in? What year it was or the title? I have been watching ME TV and I've seen the ads for their Westerns and Jack says "You bet we will!" I'd like to see that episode if anyone can pin it down. Thanks!

Added: Sunday 25 March 2012 10:46:45 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

OH!!! THAT William and THAT Sharon!!! I must be slipping in my old age. :D

Added: Sunday 25 March 2012 09:15:12 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I am told that the versions of season 10 which are available from downloading at places like Netflix, Amazon, etc. are better quality than the ones in the DVD set ... I don't know if this applies to the HD versions or both the regular and HD versions. Can anyone confirm this? In any case, I seriously doubt that CBS/Paramount will release remastered versions of this season, assuming that the versions which >were< released are not the "remastered" ones, as Glenn is suggesting below. This would open up CBS to a lot of bureaucracy including providing replacement copies for those people who already bought the "bad" ones.

As far as reviews for the episodes which I haven't commented on yet are concerned, I am not in a hurry to do this, because I have other things to keep me busy at the moment. I will probably do like last year, when I caught up several weeks after the season was over and I updated several reviews which were very sketchy.

With regard to the circus episode ("Presenting...in the Center Ring...Murder*), I am wondering if something WAS cut out of this show. I recall there was a circus band playing in the background as various acts were performing -- is it possible that there were issues with music rights, and that section of the show was cut out, rather than pay some exorbitant amount for a few seconds of a tune? I have a copy of this show dubbed from TV, but I don't have time to look at it right now. I guess I will have to keep all my TV dubs forever at this rate!

Oh yeah, 50 Forever ... "William & Sharon" ... did you figure this out yet?

Added: Sunday 25 March 2012 08:49:55 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The tribute picture of Mrs. Freeman from the last episode is now here:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/images/freeman.jpg

Added: Sunday 25 March 2012 08:37:37 MST


Submitted by: Michael E Hedges
From: Kailua/Kona Hawaii

Such a shame about Rose Freeman's passing... We only spoke together once and that was like 6 or 7 years ago... She told me she liked my story lines... and said to never give up on my writing... Heaven now has a new resident angel... We miss you Rose. Five-0.

Added: Saturday 24 March 2012 23:59:02 MST


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

Hi,

At this time, there is NO "newly" remastered Season Ten set out - just the first edition.

After watching this set, I feel it was more of what CBS had to work with, meaning "the "prints" and not a bad re-mastering job. For example, if you look at "The Friends Of Joey Kalima", you will notice that the print used for that episode looked really great, as compared to other episodes for the tenth season set - at least, I thought "Joey" looked great on my monitor.

Hope this helps...:)

Added: Saturday 24 March 2012 18:48:39 MST


Submitted by: Dave
From: Omaha

Has anyone heard yet if Season 10 is available yet in a truly re-mastered DVD set?

Added: Saturday 24 March 2012 16:36:36 MST


Submitted by: kinkerry
From: Maryland (USA)

I am looking for a recording of an early (Fall, 1974) episode from the original series. Might be the fifth season. Titled something like "Terror Under the Big Top", it was about a Chinese ambassador whose grandson would be kidnapped while at the circus. I rented a dvd from the season and watched what should have been the right episode, but it had been edited! I know that because I was in the original, working as a stage hand with the circus they filmed (the Kaye Continental Circus). I saw the episode in a local channel repeat back in 1979 (or '80), and was surprised to see myself on TV! But I must have ended up on the digital cutting room floor. Now that I am older, and much less physically able (due to a degenerative condition that took over about 30 years ago), I would love to show my grandkids, or even my daughter, what I looked like way back when. Does anyone have an idea where I might find a full copy of that old episode? Email kinkerry@yahoo.com.

Added: Saturday 24 March 2012 15:23:17 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

will be there be new reviews for RADIO and the ed asner episode mike?

Added: Saturday 24 March 2012 14:57:34 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Just saw the new Ed Asner episode. A pretty good episode - mostly because of Ed's scenes. And of course I loved the clips (all too brief as they were) from the old show. The twist ending though was fantastic! If this show had more moments like those and less of that nauseating bromancing nonsense or turgid dialogue like "I just threw up in my mouth a little bit" then this show would be a success. Unfortunately it never will be because the writers simply refuse to change their present course. Now I just need to check out the James Caan episode and that will be it for me. At least until Ed Asner resurfaces again.

Added: Saturday 24 March 2012 13:23:43 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

i assume we wait till after the NCAA games are over for new 5-0. the final game is on the 1st monday nite in april.

Added: Friday 23 March 2012 13:43:34 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Can anyone send me a screen grab of the tribute to Mrs. Freeman which appeared during last Monday night's show? I didn't get this. My e-mail is at the bottom of the page.

Added: Friday 23 March 2012 13:35:42 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Leonard Freeman wrote "Once Upon a Time" with some input from Jack Lord (at least on that second to last scene in Part 1). I don't remember if the case was a criminal one or a civil one, but when Steve went to the FDA with the mislabeled goods charge, the investigative work he did was on his own at first, then he spoke to Fremont's other patients and got that patient's body exhumed after his nephew's death. Remember when he said to Danno after the baby died, that it should be murder, but they could only get her for one lousy charge of transporting mislabled goods across state lines. Maybe the intent was to make it a criminal charge, and Steve sitting at the councel table in Part 2 was because he was testifying. In Part 1, it might have been a courtesy.

Added: Friday 23 March 2012 10:10:58 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

I would hate to see Grace Park go, because she is such a good actress. Her and Daniel Dae are the only two who got what the show should be, and the way they hold their characters was the one shining light for me. I hope she stays.

One tip for all about another show that I have been blown away by. ABC's new Thursday night show at 8 PM EST "Missing" which stars and is EP'd by Ashley Judd is fantastic! It's the best thing that I have seen on TV in a long, long time. It's got a former CIA agent searching the world for her lost son, Interpol, French Intelligence, The CIA, a worldwide plot, great acting, smart script, and hard core action. The ending to last night's show was so dramatic and operatic that I actually said "oh my god" when it ended. That's how good this show is. If the ratings are there, I think ABC has a huge hit on it's hands, as it reminds me of the old "Fugitive" tv show and yes our old beloved Five-O. Please watch this show for the next eight weeks, it't truly outstanding! I don't watch much tv anymore, but this one was inspiring to see.

Added: Friday 23 March 2012 07:19:15 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Another point just came to mind about McGarrett's case in "Once Upon a Time" : If it were McGarrett's case, it would be a civil action, a tort (Stephen J. McGarrett v. C. L. Fremont). He would hire his own lawyer. FDA would only send a lawyer to court if it were being tried as a criminal case (United States of America v C. L. Fremont).

If it were a civil case, McGarrett would sit at the counsel table as the plaintiff with his personal lawyer beside him. If it were a criminal case, McGarrett wouldn't sit at the counsel table, as I said in my previous note.

Again, literary license has been pushed to the limit.

Added: Friday 23 March 2012 07:17:55 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Re: "...there are regulations regarding particular hard goods worth XX amount of money crossing state lines without proper documentation because of the Patriot Act."

So many diamonds can't possibly have been obtained legally, can they? It stands to reason that the person found with them would come under suspicion and be held until the matter could be investigated. She was, and it was.

It goes back beyond the Patriot Act, though. In fact, it was the basis of McGarrett's case in "Once Upon a Time" when all he could use against Fremont was the transportation of mislabeled or misrepresented goods across state lines (the same law applies to stolen goods). That is why McGarrett went to the FDA. But, there, too, television departed from reality, for in the real world, the case would have become FDA's, and Steve would only have been an informer and a witness. He would not have participated in the investigation: searching the death records, serving Fremont with a search and seizure warrant, or interviewing families of other Fremont victims. He would not have sat at the counsel table. In fact, he would have been absent from the courtroom until he was called to testify.

P.S. Mike, who are Sharon&William?

Added: Friday 23 March 2012 05:08:49 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The issue of transporting diamonds within the USA has been discussed at IMDB in this thread:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1600194/board/thread/196488724

This post by catandmaggie from Mar 20 may answer your question:

A couple of things, here. I got my lawyer to stop killing zombies long enough to address this seriously, and this is what he came up with.

1) The TSA was told she was smuggling "contraband". It is their job to search and detain people doing just that. Then they call the cops. They did that, although it is highly irregular for the law enforcement officer to be a sibling.

2) Even though it wasn't drugs or explosives being transported across state lines, there are regulations regarding particular hard goods worth XX amount of money crossing state lines without proper documentation because of the Patriot Act.

3) The reason the words "State Lines" is apparently important is because that's where the Feds have their enforcement authority. Quote: "Because Congress rides the Interstate Commerce Clause like it's a pony at a kid's birthday party."

4) Between the TSA, and the charges Mary would have been facing, this would have been primarily a Federal Case, and not a state case, but my Spouse Like Person is calling it smuggling as well.

Added: Thursday 22 March 2012 22:03:40 MST


Submitted by: Lisa
From: Houstom

Just watched diamond smuggling episode... I don't get it.. As far as I know it is only illegal to bring diamonds into or out of the country. New Yorkt to Hawaii is all witihin the US, so what law did Mary break?

Added: Thursday 22 March 2012 21:12:00 MST


Submitted by: Elizabeth
From: Portland

I've been watching classic 5-0 re-runs on amazon prime and loving it. All for free. Now, within the past few days, seasons 1 - 7 and 12 are still free, but seasons 8 - 10 are $2.99 per episode. I have seen a few episodes recently from seasons 8 and 11, so I know they were free. Anyone know what sparked the change? Thanks.

Added: Thursday 22 March 2012 19:54:53 MST


Submitted by: Hoosiergirl
From: NapTown

Elaine, Ed Asner was asked to be on the show because Peter Lenkov loves his work and they are old friends. They left it open for a return for the same reason. Lenkov has stated this on his Twitter feed as well in as articles leading up to the appearance.

As far as your claim of Asner's supposed debt. You got a citation for that or are you simply rumor-mongering for fun?

Added: Thursday 22 March 2012 18:35:43 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

Elaine wrote: "Rumor has it that Asner is deeply in debt...that he owes millions, so I suspect that's why they left the ending "open", so that Asner could return for an encore performance of March and pay the electric bill. It's a kind thing to do in an unkind world."

WOW...where did that remark come from? I know nothing about the debt rumors. But Asner did a fantastic job in that episode and they would LOVE to have him back again because he was great. I doubt it had anything to do with doing a kind thing so he can pay his electric bill.

Added: Thursday 22 March 2012 17:57:45 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Type-o. I meant "practicality."

Added: Thursday 22 March 2012 17:46:03 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

"Things are done much differently on TV shows today than they were back in the 70's and 80's."

That change is not for the better. Professionalism has gone out the window, and productions crews and the media are more interested in the atmosphere being one ongoing picnic and popularity contest. They make a big fuss about everyone acting as one big happy family and being a team player, instead of the practically of people doing their jobs, doing them well, and focusing on their craft.

Added: Thursday 22 March 2012 17:09:51 MST


Submitted by: Elaine
From: Watertown, MA, USA

I watched the Ed Asner episode of HF-zero, out of curiosity to see what they would do with a sequel to Wooden Model of a Rat. A couple of comments. I thought the show was well-done compared to other eps I have watched and fallen asleep to...I was surprised at how well Asner performed his lines...I had seen him on the 90th Birthday Special for Betty White and at that time, he appeared to be almost incoherent when he was on camera, so I was glad to see that he still has a few brain cells working. It is very sad to see the old timers losing their "grip"....but it comes to all of us at some point.

What did bother me about the show was the throw-away line that a young McGarrett transported him to jail. We all know that JL's McGarrett nailed March for grand theft and conspiracy to frame McGarrett, and sent him away, so I found the reference bizar..."transported him"??? Pulese! It was much more than that! McGarrett outsmarted the old fox and won the day.

Rumor has it that Asner is deeply in debt...that he owes millions, so I suspect that's why they left the ending "open", so that Asner could return for an encore performance of March and pay the electric bill. It's a kind thing to do in an unkind world.

As for any animosity between Jack and Asner, I wouldn't be at all surprised because both men were professionals and were very good at their craft. And to be good professionals requires a certain amount of Ego...you can't make it in show-biz unless you believe in yourself...it's what fuels the fire in the belly. But Jack is gone and Asner is still here, so it's kind of a moot point. Things are done much differently on TV shows today than they were back in the 70's and 80's. The original Five-O has withstood the test of time...the new show has a long way to go (uphill) to measure up.

Aloha.

Added: Thursday 22 March 2012 15:23:34 MST


Submitted by: Will
From: Austin, TX

"One of their own" possibilities:

Kono -- My first choice. There have been persistent rumors since season one that Grace Park wants out of the show. Note that both of the (failed) potential additions to the Five-0 team have been women.

Malia Waincroft -- Killing her off would be quite a cliche (e.g. every woman who falls in love with a Cartwright dies on "Bonanza") but the writers don't seem to mind cliches all that much. Not only that, but since we hardly ever see her and don't know that much about her, her death wouldn't have that much dramatic impact. Ironically enough, for those reasons, she's my second choice.

Max Bergman -- Third choice. It's kind of a one-note part best left to a day-player and Masi Oka could probably do better. They may be setting this up in the Doc-centric episode coming up.

Danno -- Scott Caan has never been shy about telling people that Five-0 is not his ideal gig. Kind of doubt it's him, though.

Steve McGarrett -- Game changer for sure, but I can't imagine AOL leaving after finally scoring a hit show on his third try. There is precedent for a McGarett-less Five-0, though: Jack Lord was almost fired a couple of times on the old show.

One way to tell for sure is to check IMDB and see if anyone has booked a pilot or a big feature.

Added: Thursday 22 March 2012 11:40:16 MST


Submitted by: Bill K.
From: Detroit area

The Five-0 writing staff must like the 2002 James Bond film Die Another Day. This past Monday's show had a McGuffin of conflict diamonds, same as the Bond film.

Add in the elements from the Nov. 21 episode: (going to North Korea; shooting the North Korean scenes in dark, murky color while scenes in other locations are in bright color; McGarrett getting tortured, not unlike Pierce Brosnan in DAD's titles). That's just a little much to chalk up as coincidence. Thankfully, Five-0 didn't have a giant laster satellite ;)

Added: Thursday 22 March 2012 11:18:43 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

"One of their own" could mean Mrs. Chin Ho ... which means that Reiko Aylesworth has gotten knocked off on TWO shows (the other being "24") if this happens!

Added: Thursday 22 March 2012 10:41:06 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

"One of their own" is a pretty vague term and could be construed to mean anything from an HPD officer to perhaps even Sizemore's character! :!devil:

Added: Thursday 22 March 2012 10:07:31 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: The Scoopster

Someone's gonna die in Hawaii Five-0 season finale ("one of their own"), Mon. May 14: http://bit.ly/GHB97s

Added: Thursday 22 March 2012 09:46:40 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Very valid and good points all. Interesting and stimulating discussion.....When Asner made his appearance in 1975 wasn't he still on "Mary Tyler Moore" playing Lou Grant?...and wasn't that a huge smash as well as being part of it's epic Saturday Night line-up with "All in the Family" "MASH" "The Bob Newhart Show" that was must-see tv. I was 5 years old at the time and probably playing on the floor with my trucks, hotwheels, and army soldiers, so I have no memory of the early 1970's before 1976, so I might be off. If that is so, Ed would have been pretty famous because of "Mary Tyler Moore" and maybe what you had were two of CBS's biggest stars colliding with each other. Maybe that is why Ed said what he said. Each had their own turf, and each was the master of their universe in their own section of the CBS machine in those days. Two Big Dogs colliding.

I watched the movie version of "The Fugitive" this week with Harrison Ford and TLJ, and I still say that a new Five-O would have been better as a hard core action/adventure movie like the Fugitive was with Michael Douglas playing Steve McG, or Christian Bale or Russell Crowe, and it would have made a great franchise. The tv show seems like it is unnecessary sometimes, although it has its moments from time to time.

Added: Thursday 22 March 2012 07:36:45 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

I agree with Ringfire that Asner probably did not intend any ill will towards Jack Lord with his comments. At the same time, it would not surprise me if there was some tension between these two on the set, given that both were very strong willed and opinionated individuals. He would naturally be viewed differently by AOL and others on the new show because of his elder status and long acting resume. In 1975 however, Lord had the longer acting resume to that point and was a bigger star than Asner. He appeared to acknowledge that in the interview.

As for Asner’s political beliefs, he and Lord should have gotten along well in that respect. Lord was quite liberal himself on many issues and causes (gun control, saving the whales, etc.). If entertainers desire to speak out on important issues, that is their right. They must also be willing to accept any potential consequences that may arise from it (e.g. the Lou Grant series not being renewed for another year, the Dixie Chicks falling from the top of the music charts).

Added: Wednesday 21 March 2012 15:23:44 MST


Submitted by: Will
From: Washington, DC

Probably the best episode of Season 2, or maybe even of the whole new series. Yes, the fact that Asner would end up on the wrong side of the law was somewhat predictable, if not the actual denouement. Since they were doing somewhat of a nod to the past, how cool would it have been if they could have re-used one of the old Morton Stevens stings from "A Thousand Pardons" or "Ninety Second War" as Asner walks along the dock to close the episode? Maybe someone can youtube it as a mock-up...

Added: Wednesday 21 March 2012 14:47:08 MST


Submitted by: mr Hiram
From: NYC

wondered if the grenade cake woulda exploded and McG winds up in the hospital , it be BLIND TIGER PART II and perhaps marion ross could be the doctor?

great ending to the episode and the editing was perfect!

Added: Wednesday 21 March 2012 13:24:06 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Rainbow, thank you for your comments. I've also noticed that many of the negative comments said about Jack became even more prominent after he died. It's easy to criticize someone who is not here to defend themselves.

Ring, I didn't take Ed's comment to be negative in the same light as others, but since he doesn't elaborate, only he knows what he meant. The "imperial presence" comment on its own might have meant many things, even a compliment as you say, or a dislike of good old hard work as Rainbow said, but when coupled with the other remarks - that he was having more fun on the new show than he did in 1975 and that new crew is more human, it sounds like knock against Jack. I think Rainbow's comments sums it up best, but knowing that Ed Asner co-starred with Jack at least three times - on Stoney Burke, The Doomsday Flight, and Hawaii Five-O - he would not have been a stranger to Jack's work habits and personality, and would have worked with him so many times if he really disliked him.

As for viewing the new show, try CBS's website. There is a length to the latest episode here: http://www.cbs.com/shows/hawaii_five_0/

Added: Wednesday 21 March 2012 11:44:06 MST


Submitted by: Tony
From: San Francisco

James Macarthur in season 9 looks like he lost a suit size, anyone else notice this? His hair is also much darker.

Added: Wednesday 21 March 2012 12:19:06 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Tony Todd + Ed Asner = must see for me! So how I can I view this episode? Any ideas? They no longer have this show on Hulu like they did last year.

As for what RainbowWarrior said I will agree with him on Asner being quite a radical liberal. This is the guy who supports to this day Mumia Abu-Jamal who is currently serving a life sentence for the murder of police officer Daniel Faulkner in Philly back in 1981. So yeah, shame on you, Mr. Asner! As for his comments regarding Jack Lord I don't believe he said anything negative at all. In fact I took his "imperial presence" comment as a compliment. I think he meant that Lord was a powerful presence on set. If he meant something else then I can't comment on that. Lord was difficult to work with - that much we know. But I didn't get anything negative from Asner's comments.

Added: Wednesday 21 March 2012 10:45:06 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I think Asner has changed his mind on more than one thing. For example, Wikipedia says:

"The cancellation of Lou Grant in 1982 was the subject of much controversy. The show supposedly had ratings which would have justified its ongoing presence in primetime (it was in the ACNielsen top ten throughout its final month on the air), but the CBS television network declined to renew it. Asner has consistently contended that the publicity surrounding his political views was the real cause for the cancellation."

Don't forget who is behind the new (and the old) Five-O: CBS!!

Added: Wednesday 21 March 2012 10:39:15 MST


Submitted by: Big H
From: NC

"Why on earth do they dance around Jack Lord's McGarrett!?!?!?!"

It's not just JL's McGarrett, it's the whole original show's cast they are dancing around. They (writers) are trying to keep from violating the space-time continuum thing. Come on, H1Forever, didn't you watch Star Trek???

I thought Monday's show's product placement was a lot more subtle and easier to swallow than being clobbered over the head with 5 Subway sandwiches. However, I did (correctly) predict that March would end up with diamonds in the end. It was too perfect of a surprise ending to avoid. But I also think they will do a "resolution" episode for next season so McG can nab him, but I would film the ep NOW!!!....I mean, not meaning to be cruel, but Asner is 82, you know what I mean?!?!?!

As far as the "grainy-ness" of the flashbacks, I think that was done intentionally with a filter to set apart realtime from 30 years ago. I've seen it done in film noir flicks numerous times.

Added: Wednesday 21 March 2012 09:43:40 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Ringfire:

I completely disagree with you about "Heat", in my opinion, it's a masterpiece, and an epic of it's genre. You just don't find too mnay films made with that type of care and attention to detail, that plunges you into the lives of these people. When that movie was done, and the sun had set on the final day in LA, I felt that I had been with Pacino, as he chased down DeNiro's master and superintelligent thief. It was so good, I could feel the sweat on my face and the gunpowder on my hands, because that is how brilliant that movie is. Collateral Damage while good is a lightweight next to HEAT.

As for Mr. Asner, here is my humble take. He is a terrifc actor and a major talent, and always has been, but the cranky old socialist has been known to have HIS moments on the set that he accuses Jack Lord of having as well. Maybe, just maybe, the old show was so good, because of Lord's "Imperial" presence, because Lord knew that was what was needed to make the show work, there was no time for "new school" touchy feely baloney on the set. Asner is one of these liberals who hate all the traditions of 1940's and 1950's America, as they were raised with a more "progressive" mindset. What is "Imperial" to him and some others, is just good old fashioned, no nonsense hard work to other people. Business is Business. Maybe that is why the new show isn't as good as the old. They are too "human" as Asner says because they can't write an all around solid good show to save their lives. I don't care how bad a person is, when someone is not around to defend themselves because they are dead, it's cheap to take shots at them. My question is did Asner ever say this while Lord was alive, or is he saying this now, because Jack is six feet under and can't respond?

Added: Wednesday 21 March 2012 09:07:22 MST


Submitted by: Jenny H
From: Poway

I actually like the banter between Steve and Danny and so does my daughter. So I think those scenes are aimed at the "female" demographic. And there isn't anything wrong with showing Steve without his shirt off during every episode.

Added: Wednesday 21 March 2012 05:50:25 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Yes, Ring. That is Tony Todd from Candyman and those other shows and films you mentioned. He played his part well, but he didn't have too many scenes.

Added: Tuesday 20 March 2012 16:28:25 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

What? Tony Todd was in last night's episode? Candyman? General Juma from 24? Oh, that's one creepy dude!! With a voice that would make Darth Vader quiver.

Added: Tuesday 20 March 2012 15:55:08 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

Regarding DLA’s suggestion of original Five-O villains who could reappear on the new show, my first thought was Elliott Street’s Arthur from "Draw Me A Killer” in 1973. He is now 68 and thus might not be believable with that type of character today, but given some of the plot twists on the new Five-O, I’m sure the producers could make this work with little problem. That episode was very different from the norm, and he played the part in a very creepy manner.

Another one that would be interesting but require a plot twist is Danny Goldman’s Eddie from "I’ll Kill ‘Em Again”. The episode ended with him jumping out a window to avoid arrest and supposedly committing suicide. But what if he didn’t die and is now being released from prison? I could not find an age for Goldman now, but I would guess he and Street to be around the same age.

The difficulty with this exercise is not only finding a character still alive today, but one that was interesting and catchy enough among those left that would make for a compelling and realistic new story. The August March character was probably selected in part due to the new series’ desire for high profile guest stars, of which Ed Asner certainly fits the bill. The original episode in which he appeared , "Wooden Model Of A Rat”, was not one of the series’ best. However, reprising the two characters mentioned above would almost certainly lead to fans of the original who are not really fans of the new series tuning in that week.

However, I must agree with others about how the writers are dancing around the original series like it never existed. If they are going to disrespect the original series, why keep reaching back to it for plot ideas? It sounds like they are already running short on interesting storylines if this is the case.

Added: Tuesday 20 March 2012 15:32:43 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Last night's was a better episode than what we have seen so far. I agree with Virginia: the arguments between Alex and Scott have gotten old, predictable, insipid, forced, and downright meaningless. Instead of showing them bantering on the beach, they chould have had a scene with Mary Ann and Angela talking at the airport, establishing that they're stewardesses, and then they go their separate ways - Mary Ann to see Steve, and Angela to her room - then Tony Todd comes out of nowhere and kidnaps Angela, then we see Mary Ann meeting Steve and Danny on the beach. That would have established the storyline and the suspense better, rather than the same old plot devices.

I also didn't like the dancing around the original McGarrett. They're trying too hard to make it look like the original series didn't happen, despite using the same title, characters, and theme music. It wouldn't have been too hard to establish this new Steve as the old Steve's son and use new characters for his team rather than the old ones with different personalities and bodies. I also felt it was a slap in Jack's face.

Ed Asner said this about working on the two shows in an interview with the Honolulu Star Bulletin:

"The 82-year-old Emmy-winning actor spent several days last month reprising his sleazy smuggler on the set of the new "Five-0." It was a blast, perhaps even more fun than the first time, he said. When Asner was on the set in 1975, Jack Lord — who starred as McGarrett — oversaw the show with "an imperial presence."

The new crew, Asner said, is "more human."

"I enjoyed the actors on the show very much," he said. "We had a great time stirring soup together — the soup of film. And I don't think you will find it thin gruel."

But Asner thinks age might have something to do with the reception he received — and he says that with a laugh, too.

"I gotta face it, they have respect for an elder citizen, which I wasn't with Jack Lord," Asner said. "Lord was the elder citizen when I played with him. I got great respect from these guys and at the same time, live action."

Added: Tuesday 20 March 2012 13:49:30 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Is there anyway I can see last night's episode? I missed it and I don't think it's on Hulu.

Also speaking of HEAT I saw the movie only once and found it quite overrated on the whole. When it comes to Michael Mann's films my favorites remain COLLATERAL (with a terrific turn by Tom Cruise) and THIEF (with an electric Jimmy Caan - by far his best performance!)

Added: Tuesday 20 March 2012 12:21:10 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

I liked last night's show with two exceptions:

First, it really irked me at the very end when August March got away with the diamond heist, while Five-0 were lolling around, eating birthday cake. All I could think was it wouldn't have happened if the REAL McGarrett had been there. He'd have been waiting at the end of the pier for the old fox to hand over the jewels.

Second, when March said he'd known a young guy named McGarrett, who had carted him off to jail 30 years before. Why on earth do they dance around Jack Lord's McGarrett!?!?!?! If ever there was a slap in Jack's face, this was it.

I agree with the comments about the shots from "Wooden Model of a Rat." They are of poor quality, AND they are too brief to be effective. Why didn't they let the film run for a few seconds? Were they afraid Jack would walk onscreen? Sheesh!

Added: Tuesday 20 March 2012 11:59:18 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Mike,

Yeah, caught the nod to "Heat" which is also one of my favorite movies. In fact, on the wall behind me in my office, is the full size framed movie poster of "Heat" with Deniro, Pacino and Val Kilmer on it with the beautiful blue silhouette over it all. I bought the full size move poster from the studio. I always thought "HEAT" should have received more attention than it did for how great it was.

Mike, I'm sure people like the arguments between Danny and Steve, but people also like reality shows and that doesn't mean its good. People also like to do drugs and drink alchol, and smoke, and that doesn't mean it's good for you. As Howard Cosell once said "What popular isn't always right, and what's right isn't always popular."

Added: Tuesday 20 March 2012 09:13:49 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I think the reason they don't get rid of the bitchin' between the two leads is because most people LIKE these conversations. Check out IMDB and other fan sites (not this one, obviously). In last night's show, not only was there a "cargument," but a "beachgument."

While Asner's presence definitely elevated the show, and hopefully he will be returning VERY soon, the sub-plot with Jason Scott Lee's character orchestrating the diamond theft while in protective custody was strictly out of the "don't think about it too hard" school of screenwriting.

By the way, in show #5 from this season, Sizemore knocks off William Baldwin in a manner reminiscent of the film Heat (one of my favorite movies) where Sizemore is a bank robber who gets knocked off. In last night's show, there was another "Heat" allusion, with the use of a huge semi-trailer cab to ram into the evidence van. At the beginning of Heat, crooks led by Robert de Niro run a similar truck into an armored car.

Added: Tuesday 20 March 2012 08:39:16 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

I enjoyed last night's show very much, and I thought the ending was straight out of the old Five-O with that great knock-out ending, but I'm down on my knees begging the writers, producers, showrunners to please, please, please, for the love of God, get rid of the arguments between Danny and Steve it is wrecking every show, and making it seem like a parody which I think Ringfire has constantly said from day one. Make it a straight ahead action show, dead serious and you can achive more than just getting the show picked up for another season to ensure syndication rights. If you notice Daniel Dae Kim and Grace Park play it straight, serious, and professional and that's because they know their characters inside and out. The relationship between Steve and Danny, which if played serious could be interesting stuff, is turned into juvenile horsebleep which doesn't fit into the rest of the show.

Tom Sizemore is also one of my favorite actors but felt he was over acting last night at first trying too hard for his character to seem "wild and crazy, and on edge"

Other than that it was a terrific show, but until it wises up and gets rid of the arguments between Caan and Alex it will never be nothing but a pale imitation of the old show. Do you just want to get by or do you want to be great? They need to ask themselves that question. The people who made "The Fugitive" movie wanted it to be great, and they did just that with the film. If fan reaction drove Lauren Germane from the show, I don't know why they don't listen to the fans and get rid of the bickering between the two leads. :!mad:

Added: Tuesday 20 March 2012 08:18:16 MST


Submitted by: BurchPastor
From: Winston-Salem, NC

Mr. Mike is right on, as usual! It's difficult to imagine that anyone could just now be noticing the obnoxiously overbearing noise levels of the music on the new show, as that has been a major annoyance since the very beginning (rivalled only by the incessant "bromantic carguments"!

Having watched Ed Asner's original turn in "A Wooden Model of a Rat" on dvd immediately prior to tonight's episode--I, too, was struck by the horrific quality of the clips from the original used in tonight's show; I can't imagine why they didn't pull them from the remastered version used on the dvds!

So far as the continuity issues highlighted by tonight's show, the simplest solution would simply have been to have made the new show a "next generation" when they created it, rather than a reimagined version of the original characters. In my opinion, that would have made the entire show far more enjoyable--and the contrasts with the original far less jarring!

Added: Monday 19 March 2012 20:40:37 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

The Ed Asner facts article states that the older McGarrett "arrested" August March. But what August March actually said was the older McGarrett "transported me to jail."

Loved tonight's show. Thought it was a home run. Very well-written and well-acted. Nice to see Tom Sizemore back, too. Loved the ending (won't give it away for those who have not seen it yet). Leaves an opening not only for August March to return but could also set him up as a character for McGarrett to continuously chase besides WoFat. Ed Asner really rocked it tonight!

Added: Monday 19 March 2012 20:35:10 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

There's Antoinette Bower and Gerald O'Loughlin from "Six Kilos." Sam Elliott, I think, survived at the end of "The Two-Faced Corpse." Then there's Perry King from "We Hang Our Own," and Richard Hatch from "A Study in Rage."

Added: Monday 19 March 2012 20:31:18 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Ed Asner Five-O (and Five-0) facts: http://bit.ly/GAs0B6

Added: Monday 19 March 2012 20:03:14 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Seriously ... are you just noticing the music for the new show now?

Added: Monday 19 March 2012 19:59:11 MST


Submitted by: Jones
From: Ferrum, VA

C’mon producers!!!! COOL IT with the background music, which is really frontground NOISE!!!! One cannot hear the words on many scenes because of the noise!!!! Have a heart!!!!! We’d like to HEAR what is being said!!!!
Or is the music supposed to be what sets the tone of the whole show???? PLEASE?????

Added: Monday 19 March 2012 19:44:52 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Yes, the Asner show is on tonight. Be prepared for some conflicts with the earlier show.

I was surprised that the footage of Asner from the earlier show looked so crappy ... like some of those terrible broadcast prints we were all subjected to before the DVDs came out!

Asner was delightfully oily in this show, and I enjoyed his performance even more than the earlier one.

There is a big surprise at the end, which leads me to speculate something, but I won't, because that would give away what happens...

Added: Monday 19 March 2012 19:31:36 MST


Submitted by: DLA


From: Can we think of other still living guest stars (both in real life and not killed off at the end of the episode) from the Original series who's characters could return on the new series? Any sugestions?
I not sure if Adam Arkin and Richard Masur rapist football players now around 60 would make any sense or Steve Kanaly dirty govenment agent for that matter.
Too Bad John Ritter and Harold Gould are gone .
We have Discussed Gavin McLoud as Big Chicken already.
Maybe William Shatner as that PI who impeded the original MCGarrett? Maybe Andy Griffith & Joyce Van Patten as the con artist Lovejoys?

Added: Monday 19 March 2012 16:32:06 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Is the Ed Asner/August March episode on tonight? I might just tune in if it is. Haven't even watched a single episode this season.

Added: Monday 19 March 2012 16:07:23 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

wonder if tonite's show has the flashbacks to the past like what was done with DIAGNOSIS MURDER & MANNIX?

Added: Monday 19 March 2012 12:58:33 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Hi Maxine,

No, I wasn't thinking of "Harry O" as I never really watched that show, maybe a couple here and there, but H50 1.0 Forever solved the mystery for us as I was thinking of him working on sailboats during the course of the show.

It's funny I was able to watch the re-runs every day after school when I was I kid growing up from the early 1980's through the time I was a 23 year old in 1993, and then they pretty much went off the air or I wasn't able to watch them because of work etc. and other responsibilities. As I discussed before the old show pretty much formed my personality as a child because it left such an impression on me about life. The years and time made my recollections of the old show a little foggy when it came to details, so I've been enjoying rediscovering the show again from it's inception on DVD. In some ways, it's like watching the show for the first time fresh, and it is just as enjoyable.

Question about the new show. I heard speculation, but didn't know if it was true. Is Grace Park difficult to work with on the new show?

Added: Monday 19 March 2012 07:54:41 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Thanks for sharing that link, Mike. I love that commercial and watch out for it when I watch "Perry Mason" and "Cannon." They don't show it during "Hawaii Five-O." I'll wait for it come, then fast foward through the commercials after I've seen it. I never get tired of it. It's a perfect plug for the show. It shows the action and gritiness that made the original Hawaii Five-O a great show.

Added: Sunday 18 March 2012 12:31:38 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Thanks for posting the ME-TV promotional video, Mike. My husband has been telling me about it, but I've, somehow, missed seeing it.

Added: Sunday 18 March 2012 11:43:54 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Here is a commercial for Five-O from MeTV. I like the way they say "It's the 'O' ... riginal"!

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/video/metv

Added: Saturday 17 March 2012 19:58:31 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Mike, keep in mind that we're going on what we saw in the preview. According to the synopsis of that episode, they want August March to help them on some smuggling case, but then why go to him in such a threatening manner? We don't know if they were going there to conduct an actual search, or if it was a ruse so March would let them in. I think he also acts hostile towards them when he answers the door, which prompts Fryer's comment that March gave up all his rights. If they're using the ability to go into his home on the pretense of a search just because he refused to cooperate with them at first, then that is abuse of power. Until we see this episode in its entirety, we won't know for sure. However, knowing that on this show, laws have been suspended so high that they're snuggling up next to Neptune, this could be another case of the writers making things up just to move the story along, and not the writers going by the actual law.

Added: Saturday 17 March 2012 09:41:15 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Rainbow Warrior, McGarrett's boat in "Force of Waves" was a small cabin cruiser, similar to the one seen in "Full Fathom Five." The boats on which he was seen working without sailing, were sailboats, which he moored at the Ala Wai Yacht Harbor. Interestingly, the AWYH is completely full and has a waiting list of about 10 years. Maybe McGarrett's slip was a legacy from another old Chinese gentleman??? We'll never know.

Added: Saturday 17 March 2012 03:03:15 MST


Submitted by: Maxine
From: Brooklyn

Rainbow Warrior: When you talk about McGarrett always working on his boat that never actually sails, are you possibly conflating H5O with the 1970s private eye show "Harry O," starring David Janssen? In that show Janssen had a sailboat called "The Answer" that he was constantly working on - I don't recall him ever sailing it.

Added: Friday 16 March 2012 21:47:34 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I dunno, Vrinda, some dame I know (who lives in the USA) sent me the following:

According to my cop friend....

In the real world a parole officer, either alone or with other officers, can enter a parolee's home without a warrant if there is reason to believe the parolee has violated terms. Even evidence collected can be used in court in some states.

An ex-convict released from parole is a bit of a different story. Those with major felony convictions aren't necessarily protected by the 4th amendment. It's comes down to arguing "reasonable" search. In most cases the cops are gonna win that argument. With a lower level felony, the rights would probably swing to the con depending on the case. Either way evidence wouldn't be admissible.

The show may be playing fast and lose with the actual law, it is a TV show, but my buddy says cops do those type of searches regularly and get away with it. As a felony convict you lose a ton of civil rights.

Added: Friday 16 March 2012 19:45:11 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

"...Sizemore says words to the effect that "You lost all the rights you had to say things like this [i.e., get lost, you need a warrant or whatever] when you went to jail 30 years ago." Huh? Is this correct, or just another example of "trampling on civil rights" as exemplified by the new Five-0?"

I noticed the same thing. March is out of prison, and subjected to the same rights as everyone else. Even in prison, he still had rights as are given to prison inmates in the U.S. This is another example of creative license one too far, and the new Five-O trampling on civil rights just to cover up for bad storywriting and fuel the escapism concept.

Added: Friday 16 March 2012 13:34:30 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Annoyed as usual

In one of the previews for the Asner show, I am disturbed by Tom Sizemore's character (his character is disturbing, generally speaking). When they want info from Asner and Asner tells Sizemore to get lost, that they need a warrant to come inside his place, etc., etc. (I am paraphrasing here, I don't have the video in front of me now), Sizemore says words to the effect that "You lost all the rights you had to say things like this [i.e., get lost, you need a warrant or whatever] when you went to jail 30 years ago." Huh? Is this correct, or just another example of "trampling on civil rights" as exemplified by the new Five-0?

Added: Friday 16 March 2012 11:33:01 MST


Submitted by: KDMCG
From: Florida

Okay, love Ed Asner and grateful he got a job on Five-O reprising his character, however the new show has nothing to do with the original except for the character names and of course the same name and this is unnecessary and if they want to exist in their new universe then leave the original out of it.

This new show has its good moments but no need to cross-streams here. The acting sucks, the carguments and bromancing-enough already. When watching an episode, just when you think they are taking things seriously, they add a cargument or a bromance and then you know that this is a parody.

But, let's see how this plays out.

Added: Friday 16 March 2012 11:16:13 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

I watched "Force of Waves" for the first time this week, and I was really impressed by it. I thought it was extremely well acted especially by John Vernon, and I enjoyed seeing Danny take charge of the show, and the classic one-liners in it like "I guess you better hire a good lawyer" and "You know what Danno, you're a pretty good cop." This was also the first show where we get to see McGarrett actually enjoying some free time away from work at his house in Hawaii. It was good to see him at home working on his boat project and the good natured ribbing he took from everyone that he never would get it to float.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't this show start the subplot of McGarrett's boat and the years he takes to fix it and get it in the water? I seem to recall that from here on in, from time to time, they would show him working on this boat as the seasons rolled by.

Added: Friday 16 March 2012 08:47:10 MST


Submitted by: otto
From: nyc

Rainbow: Honestly i haven't seen that episode in a while, but i keep having these visions of those diffusion-filter shots of Mulduar and she just doesn't fit the profile. But i will watch it this week and analyze the episode as a whole.

Ringfire: You're right. That's what makes that episode good. It seems to come out of nowhere.

Added: Thursday 15 March 2012 21:44:09 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

if UNFORGETTABLE is cancelled , perhaps 5-0 could take the tues 10 pm slot?

if CSI MIAMI is axed, perhaps 5-0 could move to sundays at 10pm which poses the problem for NFL/golf games running long and 5-0 could be seen like at the 11:30 hr? i have seen MIAMI go very late

Added: Thursday 15 March 2012 13:39:27 MST


Submitted by: Bill K.
From: Detroit area

It would appear iTunes, eh, "appropriated" text from the introduction of Mr. Mike's web page:

http://bit.ly/w4eqUD

Added: Wednesday 14 March 2012 19:00:56 MST


Submitted by: Tim
From: Cleveland

Thanks for your response Ben.

Added: Wednesday 14 March 2012 15:04:59 MST


Submitted by: Bill K.
From: Detroit area

The CBS/Five-0 Twitter feed says new Five-0 renewed for another season.

Added: Wednesday 14 March 2012 13:33:26 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

I like the one with Kono. Just goes to prove the old adage, "A leopard never changes its spots." This looks like it's going to be a good episode -- if they don't have too many carguments, etc.

In the other one, Tom Sizemore said Jack arrested August March. Actually, I thought Steve did, but who am I to argue the point. LOL

Added: Wednesday 14 March 2012 11:08:31 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Behind the scenes video with Ed Asner and Hawaii Five-0

http://www.50undercover.com/2012/03/13/behind-the-scenes-video-with-ed-asner-and-hawaii-five-0

I like the way Asner's character is putting the mash on Kono in another preview!

Added: Wednesday 14 March 2012 10:26:15 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"I'm still working through Season 7, and it seems that THE COMPUTER KILLER and A WOMAN'S WORK IS WITH A GUN are the best episodes."

I thought both were indeed excellent episodes. COMPUTER KILLER is definitely a top 5 for the season for me. And A WOMAN'S WORK IS WITH A GUN is a really unique episode in my opinion. It's not the typical serial killer or gangster or espionage story that Five-0 usually deals with but a very unique tale of how a junkie drags 2 other decent women into her dark and troubled world of crime. It starts off with something small but ends in tragedy.

Added: Wednesday 14 March 2012 09:55:31 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

I have to disagree with you on "Time and Memories" Otto. I thought it was a very good episode, not excellent or perfect but good. I thought Diana Mulduar was fine as Steve's old girlfriend. I thought it was believable. "Singapore Files" is an almost perfect episode, but I thought Diana was very good in her role.

Added: Wednesday 14 March 2012 07:30:14 MST


Submitted by: Ben Masters
From: Fountain Inn, SC

That was the last outing, "Woe to Wo Fat," as I recall.

Added: Wednesday 14 March 2012 03:35:47 MST


Submitted by: Tim
From: cleveland

I'm trying to find an old episode where some people are gassed with something in taxi cab and flown to a strange island.Mcgarrett also ends up at this island and he has a device that sends a signal to the navy at the end.It may have been a two parter - I'm not sure.I remember the taxi driver saying "We're going to visit some old friends" before he used a nonlethal gas on his fare.Any info anyone can provide would be appreciated.Thanks.

Added: Tuesday 13 March 2012 20:38:17 MST


Submitted by: OTTO
From: Manhattan

I'm still working through Season 7, and it seems that THE COMPUTER KILLER and A WOMAN'S WORK IS WITH A GUN are the best episodes. (but i still have a few left. tonight: How to Steal a Masterpiece)

It occurred to me that S.3's TIME AND MEMORIES could have been a decent episode, but for the love interest. Diana Muldaur just isn't on Steve's level. She's uninteresting. At least Marj Dusay in SINGAPORE was pretty and adorable. How many other romantic interludes has Steve let us in on?

Added: Tuesday 13 March 2012 20:24:44 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

mike do u know when the episode w/o McG will air?

Added: Tuesday 13 March 2012 10:27:04 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Thanks Guys for the info. Appreciate it.

Added: Tuesday 13 March 2012 08:37:04 MST


Submitted by: Jeff
From: Denver

iTunes is offering U.S. fans a chance to download the Season 8 classic H5O episode "Wooden Model of a Rat"---for FREE--for use on your PC, laptop or Apple devices, now through March 27th in celebration of Ed Asner's upcoming appearance as August March on the new H50 series next Monday, 3/19. All you need is to have a free iTunes account.

Here's the link:
http://bit.ly/​H50ClassicFreeEpisode

Added: Monday 12 March 2012 14:49:54 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Dirk Benedict appeared in #103, Chain of Events, the VD episode. He is the one who starts the chain off by having sex with his girl friend, who gives it to a Kennedy-like politician who has high aspirations (until he gives the disease to his wife).

Added: Monday 12 March 2012 08:24:11 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Richard Dawson (of HOGAN'S HEROES and FAMILY FEUD fame) never appeared on Five-0. But Dirk Benedict (of THE A-TEAM fame) did - in the S5 episode "Chain of Events", which also featured Mary Frann (of NEWHART fame).

As for the Wo Fat episode I think you're talking about the finale of the S8 opener "Murder-Eyes Only". Except it wasn't at the airport. It was on a boat. The Five-0 team and the Navy captured a bald-headed impostor but Wo Fat managed to slip away just moments earlier. I think he got away in a taxi cab.

Added: Monday 12 March 2012 08:31:15 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

I watched "The Ransom" a week ago for the first time and I was impressed at how emotional that MCG got when he told Danny that if they killed Kono he would do whatever it takes to track down and find the kidnappers no matter how long it took. It was the most emotional I had seen him since "Once Upon a Time Part I" when his baby nephew died at the hands of the quack doctor. The photography of this show was stunning and beautiful. The new show is getting better in it's look, but it still does not look as good as the old show did in immersing you in the state like you are there. Those Dolphins swimming around Sealife Park in "The Ransom" were stunning to look at.

Two questions for the Five-o experts out there. Did Richard Dawson and Dirk Benedict ever appear in the old Five-O?.....Also, I could be 100% wrong, because I'm talking about a foggy old memory from the 1980's, but I seem to remember aN episode where Wo-Fat gets away just barely at the Honolulu airport and McGarrett and the team get to a airport hanger just moments after Wo Fat escapes and MCG flies off into a rage at the airport hanger at the end because they should have had him, but just missed nabbing Wo Fat. I'm not talking about the passport one in his office at the end, this was a different one. Was this an actual episode, or did the years just screw up my memory?

Added: Monday 12 March 2012 06:53:07 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

They may have complained, but when they saw the money pouring in from the tourism the show brought in, they sang a different tune. They just took the tourists' money, and cursed them behind their backs.

Added: Saturday 10 March 2012 13:24:25 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Probably no more than the people of Hawaii in general, who saw their state as being portrayed as a cesspool of crime!

Added: Friday 09 March 2012 14:09:38 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

I have a question: Throughout the 12 seasons, every time we saw someone who lived in Kahala, he/she was either a mobster or a snob with a very sour disposition. Didn't the people who actually live in Kahala have a problem with their neighborhood being portrayed in this manner?

Added: Friday 09 March 2012 12:52:15 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

Michael...Will see what I can do. Would love to see THE car again. My daughter would love to see it, too. Will let you know. Keep me posted on any other outings.

Big H....Never say never. When Michelle Borth left for "Combat Hospital" (I liked that show), she wasn't gone very long as it wasn't picked up again. Same could happen for Lauren. Stay tuned.

Added: Friday 09 March 2012 11:54:02 MST


Submitted by: Big H
From: NC

Hmmm....looks like Lauren German has jumped ship to NBC. That pretty much ices it for any 5-0 reunions later on.

http://bit.ly/wdgfKK

Added: Friday 09 March 2012 10:44:56 MST


Submitted by: Michael Timothy
From: Palatine IL

Barbara-(and anyone else who might be interested)
Friday, June 8, 2012, 5:00-8:30 Vintage Car Club of Holland, Michigan Car Show and Cruise Night, Maycroft/Versendaal Lincoln Mercury (now closed), 124 E. 8th Street, Holland Michigan. No burnouts allowed-so Mr. Mike will have to stay home this time.

Added: Thursday 08 March 2012 21:40:43 MST


Submitted by: KD MCG
From: Yes that is me and I am back

Just finished watching the Caan episode. The plus: James Caan and Jimmy Borges. The plot however lost charm-carguments and bromancing when the writer ran out of inspiration. Too much fun and not enough seriousness...

Yes, AOL looks much more gaunt-now we know why.

What a poor Five-O rip-off

Added: Thursday 08 March 2012 21:19:01 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

Big H...Thanks for the link. What a beautiful woman.

Added: Thursday 08 March 2012 17:30:04 MST


Submitted by: Big H
From: NC

For my money, here was one of Ms. Freeman's best roles ....great screen shots of her at 0:48, 1:42 and 2:41.

http://bit.ly/yqoxTP

RIP, Ms. Freeman....

Added: Thursday 08 March 2012 13:26:53 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

Very nice post, Michael Timothy. Glad you had an opportunity to meet Mrs. Freeman. Definitely something to remember.

By the way, let me know when you are taking THE car out for a Spring/Summer showing. Will be there for sure.

Added: Thursday 08 March 2012 09:48:47 MST


Submitted by: Michael Timothy
From: Palatine, IL

I had an opportunity to meet Mrs. Freeman at the 1996 cast reunion/fan convention. I remember her as very appreciative of all the attendees who were still huge fans of the original show. I remember how she ensured that her children and grandchildren attanded the banquet in Burbank-as she wished to use that opportunity for her family to remember and get to know their father and grandfather Leonard Freeman a little bit better. I recall her to be a very friendly, approachable and classy lady, the likes of which one rarely meets these days. Mrs. Freeman was the last "defender of the faith"-and our best hope for ever seeing a Five 0 remake as Leonard Freeman would have wished it.

Added: Wednesday 07 March 2012 18:50:06 MST


Submitted by: Lynne Martin
From: England

Great episode where SMG was 'rescued' from North Korea BUT not happy with Kono being sidelined in favour of 'Agent Weston'. Kono should have been in the helicopter and AW left behind. The hug between SMG and AW was really awkward, hope she's not in the next season.

Added: Wednesday 07 March 2012 06:09:28 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Variety article:

Rose Freeman dies at 82

Managed 'Hawaii Five-O' legacy after husband died

By Variety Staff



Rose Freeman, an actress under the name Joan Taylor who later managed the "Hawaii Five-O" property created by her husband, writer-producer Leonard Freeman, died of natural causes in Santa Monica on Sunday, March 4. She was 82.

Freeman started her career as a performer at the Pasadena Playhouse, where she met Leonard when both worked in a production of "Here Comes Mr. Jordan."

Under the name Joan Taylor, she starred in such science fiction films as "Earth vs. the Flying Saucers" and "20 Million Miles to Earth" and Westerns including "Rose Marie," "Apache Woman" and "War Paint."

On TV she played Milly Scott on "The Rifleman," starring alongside Chuck Connors and Johnny Crawford, and guested on numerous other shows.

After Leonard's death in 1974, Freeman transitioned into managing the "Hawaii Five-O" property; the original series ran from 1968-80, followed by runs in syndication and a CBS series remake that premiered in 2010.

Freeman was also a writer. She penned an episode of "Family" in 1979, and a novel she wrote was adapted into the 1983 telepic "An Invasion of Privacy." She was also one of the writers on the 1997 romantic comedy feature "Fools Rush In" and adapted a book for the 2002 telepic "Heart of a Stranger."

Rose Marie Emma was born in Lake Forest, Ill. Her mother, Amelia Berky, was a vaudeville star in the 1920s; her father, who had been a prop man in Hollywood, moved to Lake Forest to manage a movie theater. She graduated from the Chicago National Assn. of Dancing Masters and headed to Los Angeles when she was 18 to become an actress.

Freeman is survived by three daughters, two brothers and six grandchildren.

Donations may be made to Leo Baeck Temple, 1300 N. Sepulveda Blvd., Los Angeles, CA 90049 or Skirball Hospice, 6345 Balboa Blvd., Suite 213, Encino, CA 91316.

Some other links:

http://bit.ly/Asa0Ak
http://bit.ly/wK5AoA
http://bit.ly/ztRJ2v

Added: Tuesday 06 March 2012 20:48:22 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

Mike Gordon of the Star-Advertiser tweeted the following: "Peter Lenkov will honor the late Rose Freeman (widow of the show’s originator) at the end of the 3/19 episode, her daughter said.”

Added: Tuesday 06 March 2012 20:33:22 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

A Moment of Silence in Memory of Rose Freeman

http://bit.ly/z0OoYH

Added: Tuesday 06 March 2012 20:07:02 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

News is slow to filter down (I only found confirmation of it this evening), but Rose Freeman, widow of Five-0 creator Leonard Freeman, passed away on Sunday, March 4th. She was 82 years old.

Added: Tuesday 06 March 2012 19:40:15 MST


Submitted by: Ben Masters
From: Fountain Inn, SC

If I ever get the #11 release, that will be, hopefully, one of the first ones I look at.

Added: Tuesday 06 March 2012 03:42:07 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

I just watched the S11 episode "The Miracle Man”. This episode was interesting due to the subject matter (religion) and that it was a very rare storyline where the suspect was not really guilty of anything except for being a hypocrite. It appears that Nelson’s wife sped away from the scene in San Diego as Sister Harmony did upon discovering Reverend Andy with a different woman, but was not able to escape harm behind the wheel as Sister Harmony did.

I liked the way the writers handled this story, as religion is a rare storyline in police dramas. Andy’s secret dalliances with women and the manner in which he and Ross handled the land transaction are not deeds that most of us would expect to be associated with a minister with supposedly such a deep faith. While he did not break any laws, he was guilty of being a hypocrite in that he was doing things that he would tell his followers and flock not to do. All Five-O could really do was expose him as a fraud, which they did nicely.

Added: Sunday 04 March 2012 17:01:13 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

just heard on alex taking a break; hope he gets better soon. there is the NCIS LA crossover coming no? AOL was featured in , i think, Men's Fitness, magazine before 2nd season began.

Added: Saturday 03 March 2012 13:45:40 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I don't know if MeTV's shows are the same in every city. But if they are, the episode of Peter Gunn to be broadcast (assuming it is in your area) on Monday night (Tuesday 1:30 a.m. in my area) might be of interest:

[taken from http://www.mjq.net/petergunn/gunn-season-three.htm]

EPISODE 10: Take Five for Murder

Written by Tony Barrett; directed by Paul Stanley
Original Air Date - 5 December 1960

SYNOPSIS:

Gavin "Love Boat" MacLeod, who appeared in the very first episode of the show, returns in this episode as Mitch Borden, a wartime buddy of Gunn. When Gunn says there have been a "lot of years since Saipan," Mitch replies, "It's still a jungle out there." Mitch has a background in the recording industry, but recently has become the manager of rock singer Bobby Jeeter (David Howe), who sings two tunes, both of which seem to be created especially for the show. Mitch is being blackmailed to the tune of $25,000 by a guy named Cully because of some "youthful indiscretions" of his protégé and asks Gunn for help. When Gunn goes to meet Cully, he is knocked out. The show begins with some character who wears white shoes knocking off Doris Rainey (Millicent Deming). She is the hat check girl at the club where Bobby is currently performing. Later, after she is taken to the hospital for observation, Mr. White Shoes shows up again and smothers her with a pillow. It turns out that the blackmailer Cully is actually Mitch in disguise -- hard to believe considering the makeup job Mitch has to apply with a moustache, heavy eyebrows and a scar. When Gunn confronts Mitch at the dressing room at the club where he finds the blackmail money that Cully took, Mitch tells Gunn that Bobby was lip-synching to the sound of an electronic voice generated by some gizmo in his guitar which Mitch had invented. After Bobby fell in love with Doris, the hat check girl, he was going to spill the beans about this gizmo. Bobby shows up as Gunn is talking to Mitch, who manages to escape into the club, where the usual violent fight follows, with Mitch losing both his wig and most of his makeup. This dual personality of Mitch and the plot of this show in general is very hard to swallow.

MUSIC:

- Joanna, as Gunn and Edie are smooching at the beginning of the show.

MORE TRIVIA:

- In his initial meeting with Gunn, there are a lot of closeups of both of their faces.
- Mitch tells Gunn "I'm in a box," an interesting choice of words, since the second of two Hawaii Five-O episodes MacLeod starred in -- as the slimy drug dealer named Big Chicken -- was a tense prison drama called "The Box."

Added: Saturday 03 March 2012 08:20:23 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

I commented to my daughter a few weeks ago that he was looking really thin in the face. But I know he' a fitness freak so I thought he was working out too much. At any rate, glad he's seeking treatment. Would rather miss him from a few episodes and know that he is well. Fans are supporting him.

Added: Friday 02 March 2012 19:38:51 MST


Submitted by: otto
From: nyc

Rainbow: When i moved to NYC in '87, they showed reruns on Channel 9, i think, and they went through the series in order, with a bunch of episodes left out. I taped the Caper at that time, but i don't recall it being played again. I did see that one on the original air date, which was a real gas.

I try to find episodes I can show to my kid, and i thought that might be a good one. But i had forgotten about poor old Mr. Mazzini. My boy was sad about that. Especially the heartbreaking scene where the old man realizes what he has. It's tough to find episodes for the kid to see, because so many of them have sick, or sordid, or perverted elements. The grisliness of the show hinges less upon the violence than the dark side of human nature which results in violence.

Added: Friday 02 March 2012 19:30:42 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

Quite a few comments there from fans alluding that they could see something was very wrong with him.

Other than his acting is as wooden as a dime store Indian, I don't remember any discussion on that subject here... was there?

Added: Friday 02 March 2012 19:06:04 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Alex O'Loughlin to take a break from Hawaii Five-0 for "treatment": http://bit.ly/wjAVib

Added: Friday 02 March 2012 18:23:46 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Okay, last post before I leave for the weekend. I watched the "Guarnarious Caper" yesterday which I had seen plenty of times before. Big Chicken, Otto, Vrinda, didn't it seem like they always played this episode in reruns all the time on WOR in NYC, or on the NBC affiliate in Boston where I grew up when we were kids?...It's a great show, but it seemed like they played this ep over and over again in reruns back in the 1980's and early 1990's.

It's fantastic show, but a few things stood out in my mind. It's the first time we see some real tension and ill will from Steve McG toward the Governor in the first two and a half years of the show. Also, I'm always amused at those who feel the old Five-O is dated or tame because it aired from 1968-1980, because it could be very brutal and rough, as well as tragic, as shown when the two white trash criminals kill Mr. Mazzini to get the violin back. It was a very tough, gritty, nasty show at times which people don't get. Finally, it had a great ending when McGarrett saves the violin and Ed Flanders tells him after thanking him for saving it "I've changed my mind, Mr. McGarrett. I'm going to play the concert and dedicate it to Mr. Mazzini." McG responds "My turn, Thank You." and that great closing theme plays over it which always gave me a rush. You're right Big Chicken, the third season of Five-O is truly a powerhouse!

Added: Friday 02 March 2012 12:04:25 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Mike,

Dennis Miller appears every Wednesday night on "The O'Reilly Factor" between 8 and 9 on the Fox News Channel, and he said everything I reported below on this past week's show. It should be available on video somewhere on YouTube or the O'Reilly Factor website, or FNC. He first promoted his appearance on the show a few weeks back the day before he flew over to Hawaii from LA for a two day shoot, and Bill O'Reilly was mad because he wanted Miller to get him a part on the show too because he already appeared on "Rizzoli and Isles" on TNT. I pretty much quoted verbatim what Miller said, but you should be able to get the video from two days ago.

Mr. Mike comments: OK, thanks for the update.

Added: Friday 02 March 2012 10:27:04 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Where did you find this news about Miller?

I found this, not exactly the same:

http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2012/02/hawaii-five-0-dennis-miller-hits-the-airwaves-from-the-waves.html

Added: Friday 02 March 2012 09:30:14 MST


Submitted by: Ed
From: Honolulu

From the Star-Adveriser:

Wo Fat restaurant lives on as name of ‘Five-0’ villain

By Bob Sigall

POSTED: 01:30 a.m. HST, Mar 02, 2012

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COURTESY JOEL BRADSHAW
Wo Fat, the "Hawaii Five-0” villain, was named after this former Chinese restaurant on the corner of Hotel and Maunakea streets. The 123-year-old Wo Fat was Hawaii’s oldest restaurant when it closed in 2005.
At 123 years, Wo Fat was Hawaii’s oldest restaurant when it closed in 2005.

Wo Fat was opened in 1882 by Wat Ging.

Ted Wong, the owner from 1973-1978, said he was told the name Wo Fat means "peace, prosperity and harmony.”

"My dad, Henry Awa Wong, had a liquor store across the street from Wo Fat in the 1930s after Prohibition. He supplied liquor to the restaurant, and they fell behind in their payments. Instead of collecting, he ended up with a controlling interest in the place.”

Wong said 150 shareholders owned Wo Fat in his dad’s time.

"Awa,” as he was called, was the unofficial mayor of Chinatown for 40 years. "My father was a very political guy. He was a close friend of Mayor (Lester) Petrie. He had a board of directors with 40-50 prominent people on it.”

People wanted to be on the board because of the directors’ parties Awa Wong threw every four months. "He served them fabulous dinners, spending maybe $50 a person, and this was in the 1940s and 1950s,” his son said.

They were also paid $100 a meeting and received a case of whiskey at Christmas. "Dad figured if each one hosted one party a year at Wo Fat, he would make money. Some had several.”

"Our chief competitor was Waikiki Lau Yee Chai,” Wong continued. "But we had an advantage over them. The taxi drivers could make a better fare bringing Waikiki tourists to Chinatown. So they recommended us.”

The restaurant could seat as many as 980 people on its three floors. With that kind of capacity, there was always room for walk-ins.

After Prohibition, Wo Fat applied for the territory’s first liquor license. For many years it proudly displayed liquor license No. 1.

Awa Wong was the first Chinese director of a Caucasian bank and was a vice president of Liberty Bank. He helped start the Narcissus Festival.

"Hawaii Five-0” borrowed the Wo Fat name for Steve McGarrett’s archvillain. Actor Khigh Dhiegh played Wo Fat in the original "Five-0.” He was born Kenneth Dickerson in New Jersey in 1910.

In a 1980 episode, McGarrett captured Wo Fat. Did he then let Danno (James MacArthur) book him? "I’ve waited a long time for this, Wo Fat,” McGarrett said. "Now I’m going to have the unique pleasure of booking you myself.” Danno looked on silently.

In the new "Hawaii Five-0,” the actor Mark Dacascos plays Wo Fat.

We all know that James MacArthur left the show the previous year - Ed

Added: Friday 02 March 2012 08:58:48 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Dennis Miller revealed some interesting behind the scenes information about this past week's show earlier this week. He said he ran into James Caan in the parking lot after he shot his scenes for the new Five-O and teased him that he was going after a acting award with his role and James Caan said to him "Hey, I'm just doing this for my kid, and not for my career." The implication was that he didn't think much of the quality of the show but came on it, out of love for his son and to help him out, which is quite touching to be honest about it. Also, Miller revealed that he only watched the opening of the show that he was in, and after he was blown up and killed he turned it off and didn't watch the rest of it because he didn't care. He said he only did it to keep his AFTRA Card active and didn't seem to really care for or like the new show. It's interesting that neither James Caan or Miller seemed too impressed with the quality of the new show, but had their own personal reasons for appearing on it.

Added: Friday 02 March 2012 08:20:33 MST


Submitted by: Fan50
From: Eugene, Or

I loved the last episode. The camera shots of the Caan's together were terrific and a treat to the audience. The one liners were sure great to wait for and listen to. The ending was OK but to me the hug between father and son was stiff...James Caan looked liked he didn't want to overact and hug Danny to much (like he really wanted to do) but hugging him like he did looked liked it took a lot of restraint which came across as uncomfortable.
A good old bear hug would of been great with maybe a wink for the camera from James Caan... show or no show he looks proud of his son. Course I'm a Grammy and love all the mushy stuff. Hawaii Five-O is wonderful to look forward to. Thank you for all the wonderful entertainment.

Added: Thursday 01 March 2012 12:49:22 MST


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