Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- June 2015

The Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- June 2015


The following are archived comments from June, 2015. After looking around, please add your own comments!

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Submitted by: ykiki
From: Seattle

With Seasons 1-10 leaving Netflix after tonight (7/1/15), if you could only watch ONE episode, which one would it be?

Added: Tuesday 30 June 2015 12:01:07 MST


Submitted by: "Big Mike"
From: Vancouver

I remember when I was a little kid, there was a shelf in the kitchen in my house which was very high up (relative to my size), probably about 6 or 7 feet off the floor. As far as I was concerned, this shelf could have been Mount Everest, that's how high it was! :D

Added: Tuesday 30 June 2015 09:48:17 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Rainbow, I see. That makes sense. When you're little a living room looks huge.

BTW I just saw that comedian Jack Carter passed away. He played the dying Harry Foxton in season 6's "Try to Die on Time".

Added: Tuesday 30 June 2015 09:05:58 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

The pharmacy was pretty big about the size of a Walgreens or Supermarket of the time. Well it seemed that way at the time. When you are that little everything seems big, but when you get older those same places are very small looking.

Added: Tuesday 30 June 2015 08:04:43 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

You're welcome for Easter anytime, Rainbow!

I think we all have our stories of getting lost or separated from our parents when we were little. How big was your neighborhood pharmacy that you got lost in it? I can definitely understand getting lost in a large department store. That might be frightening for a young child.

Added: Monday 29 June 2015 13:33:58 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Jack, first of all, I am not going to watch the show you specifically discuss again. But it seems to me the things you suggested that I did not "get" were based on your speculation of what happened by reading between the lines.

For example, you do not mention any instance where someone like Chin Ho figured out what was going on, and this was specifically stated in the show with words to the effect that he found out something on the computer or in newspaper reports in the past and "this is what really happened." Often during the show, I have found that where something in the plot did not make sense, if I went back and listened to the the dialogue in the show more carefully, something which was "missing" was explained. But other times, and this is very annoying, the show will purposely omit some typical method of detection which they could have used (i.e., facial recognition techniques) which could have solved the crime in no time at all.

You are saying that "the answer is right there," but it is really not. I'm not saying that what you are surmising is wrong -- in fact, it is probably the most logical or the most likely solution to the questions which I posed. But the point is, you are "making it up," which in extreme cases would venture into the real of "fan fiction." It seems to me that you are thinking even harder than I am (or, as you would suggest, not) about a show which the vast majority of people would insist is just mindless entertainment.

Overall, I find the quality of the writing on this show to be bad, but that may be compounded by its editing, since the show has only about 42 minutes to deliver its message. I am not the only person to think this about the writing. Even people on forums like IMDB who have a much more positive attitude than me about the show have described the writing as "crazy," and I would list the writing as one of the bigger fan complaints. Recently, even a couple of very hard-core fans/reviewers of the show whose comments on the show are normally at the opposite ends of the spectrum from mine had their "druthers" about some of the writing.

It seems to me that there is no direction for the show at a high level like an executive story editor who has some kind of overview for the series. Instead, we get this "let's throw shit against the wall and see what sticks" kind of storytelling where we end up with a hodge podge of characters and story arcs which come and go with no kind of logic.

As far as your complaint along the lines of "if you don't like the show, why do you watch it" (which I notice you did not address), I already pointed out that people watch the show for a variety of reasons. I am fed up with this kind of comment, not to pick on you specifically, because I get this from various people, which you may not be aware of. If I said to you "If you like the new Five-0 so much, why don't you marry it?" meaning "Why don't you stop watching every other TV show and only watch Five-0," I am sure you would think that is a pretty silly statement, wouldn't you?

Added: Monday 29 June 2015 09:09:00 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

It is funny that you mention that. When I was three or four years old, I lost my mother in a pharmacy because I would go off to look at the comic books(which were huge at the time)while she would go to the makeup section. When I went to go find her, I couldn't, so I started to cry both times because I thought I had lost her, and would never find her again. Each time the friendly neighborhood pharmacist took my hand and helped me find my mother. The good old days of the seventies!

Added: Sunday 28 June 2015 10:16:08 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

Re: "The Child Stealers": Was it customary to leave a child outside while the mother went into a store?

Not in my neck of the woods, on the mainland, although it might have been in Hawai'i, where fewer people lived, the crime rate was lower, and the weather was more moderate.

I remember when I was about six or seven, I became separated from my mother in a large department store. Unable to find her, I went outside, to the car, to wait for her. When she came out, she was frantic with worry. Obviously, kidnapping was known even then.

Added: Sunday 28 June 2015 01:05:28 MST


Submitted by: Jack
From: Seattle

A good example of what I meant by you seeming to go out of your way to not understand what is happening [see previous posting of Sunday 31 May 2015 19:34:09 MST, now in the Archives]:

In Season 4, Episode 18's review, you say the following (I will intersperse with the answers, which aren't exactly hidden).

"We know that Alan and Laura were an item back in their final year at Kukui. Chin says that everyone knew this. But Laura was seeing Corey on the side. Alan found out about this, and wanted to teach Corey a lesson, but after Alan punched him out, Corey hit his head on a rock, killing him. The 'evidence' that fans chose was 'a toy rocket,' and it turns out in the class reunion time capsule, there is a toy rocket. Several similar rockets are seen in Corey's room at his mother's house where everything is still preserved after 25 years. In this time capsule rocket there is a roll of film which includes a photo dated 05/05/89 of Corey, Alan and Bradley on the beach from the evening when Corey "disappeared" (i.e., was killed). So why was this roll of film placed in the rocket, and who put it there?"

**Laura put it there, because she never felt right about covering up the murder, and wanted there to be evidence. At the time, she was too afraid to do anything with it. It doesn't *really* make sense that she would lock away the evidence for 25 years, but it's clear from the show that's what happened.

"Who took this picture of the three of them together?"

**Laura did.

"And who took the rocket from Corey's room if Corey was dead (assuming he died before the time capsule was created)?"

**Again, Laura did. She could've had access to his room, since she was a friend/girlfriend of Corey's who his mother would've recognized. Or maybe he gave her one when he was alive. Or maybe she bought one of the same type. Multiple possibilities, and you avoided them all.

"Why would the roll of film with possibly incriminating evidence be placed in the capsule, which would quite likely be opened in the future?"

**Because Laura didn't want it to remain hidden forever.

" How did Laura know about Corey's killing? Did Alan just blab to his girl friend?"

**No, she was there. That's how there's a photo. She was with them, presumably went home, and then when he went missing, put two and two together.

"It is suggested that Laura was 'Alan's alibi' because someone spotted a car similar to Alan's near the place where Corey was last seen ... but Laura said the two of them were watching a movie."

**Right, because at the beginning, she was complicit in the cover up and trying to protect Alan and Bradley. Or maybe she didn't even know about it at first, and Alan asked her to say it, and as his girlfriend she was fine with lying for him.

"Did Bradley go along with Alan in burying Corey's body because because he thought that Corey was not worthy of associating with his sister?"

**No, he went with Alan to "rough [Corey] up", and when the latter ended up dead, he didn't feel he had much choice but to go along with the cover-up.

"Laura returned to Hawaii, unknown in advance to the people planning the reunion, and paid off the mother's hospital bills because she felt guilty about Corey's death. Considering that her return was unknown, and considering that Alan presumably only met her at the reunion, how could he have figured out that Laura was going to the cops to spill the beans about events of 25 years before, which is why he suddenly wanted to kill her?"

**This is the only one that doesn't actually have an answer, but she may have said something. At the very least, having studiously avoided coming back to Hawaii because she wanted to tell the truth about the murder and knew Alan and Bradley would flip, her sudden return must have set off alarm bells in Alan's head. It would make sense that he confronted her at the reunion and, when she reiterated the need for coming clean, he killed her.

" And how did Bradley know that Alan killed Laura?"

**Because he knows Alan would have motive, as the third person in the cover up.

AUGH!

**The writing was fine. It's your analytical skills that were lacking on this one! You make this sort of exclamation often, and more often than not, the answer is right there.

Added: Friday 26 June 2015 11:59:24 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

For me H5O was a mystical show growing up (b 1960). My parents had rather strict curfews and they considered the show a bit racy, which made us want to watch it more. Only when they went out for the night could my brother and I watch the show, so my first run memories are very limited, but the Hawaii theme always resonated with me.

On reruns, I would catch one here or there, but it wasn't until about ten years ago that I caught several episodes from seasons 5, 6 & 7. That hooked me and I made a point to watch them all. Not fully understanding syndicated packaging though, after season 6 or 7, the stations re-running the show omitted more shows as each season progressed. I never saw more than a handful of Season 12 until the season was released on DVD.

The ease of watching the old classics through affordable DVDs or binge watching through services like Netflix has re-introduced these shows to a wider group of viewers. Do you remember when VHS tapes were first produced and one episode would be $10? Now you can get 23-25 episodes for almost that price.

Added: Wednesday 24 June 2015 12:00:31 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Ringfire:

Yes, now you inspired me! I saw "Little Girl Blue" once and I loved it. The problem was that I started watching Five-O in 1981 or so when I was 11. The NBC affiliate in the city I was in would always show it at four in the afternoon, but between school, and kid things I could never watch it consistently. Problem was the station would be in the middle of season five and all of sudden jump back to a show from season one that I seen a million times, and it would ruin the continuity which is why I love the DVD's.

I think I'll come over to your house for Easter! Sounds good! Baked sweets and bread! :!mmm:

Seasons Five and Six always stuck with me but I never saw them completely because the station never showed them in order. The "Child Stealers" I think I saw once back in the 1980's which is why I didn't remember it.

Seasons 7-12, I don't remember much of any of them outside of a few shows because the station always seemed to stop at season six and start over at season one again which was frustrating back in the 1980's. It wasn't until I moved to NYC that I was able to see all of season 12 including the finale where Wo Fat was nabbed, because WOR showed them in order every day at three in the afternoon( maybe two)and that coincided with the hottest summer the East Coast ever had one year, so I stayed inside out of the swelter! The NYC summers are just as bad as Philly's. :!sweating:

Added: Wednesday 24 June 2015 07:24:08 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

This web site has nothing to do with production of the show. Contact the executive producer Peter Lenkov via Twitter: @plenkov

Added: Tuesday 23 June 2015 21:59:42 MST


Submitted by: Pat patterson
From: Hawaii

I am a Moyà Moyà survivor it is a very rare brain disease there are a handful of us here in Hawaii it can happen to anyone but more prevalent in Asians without treatment it is usually deadly if you could write it into a storyline it would help bring more info about the disease out

Added: Tuesday 23 June 2015 20:40:05 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"The Child Stealers" was a great one!! I remember it was around Easter time back in 1997 when I first saw the following 4 episodes on our local channel showing Five-0 reruns - "The Child Stealers", "Thanks for the Honeymoon", "Will the Real Mr. Winkler Please Die?", and "Little Girl Blue". I saw those 4 episodes over the course of 2 days (they were showing 2 episodes per day back-to-back). It's funny how you remember things like this from long ago. I even remember my mom was doing lots of baking and the house was full of the smell of baked sweets and bread (as is the Ukrainian custom during Easter). Funny how you can't remember what you ate yesterday but remember such details as those.

Anyway I just remember loving all 4 of those episodes. I think that's probably why I decided that season 5 was my favorite season. It was probably also around that time when I really started to love Five-0. I liked it prior to that but as I was younger I probably didn't fully understand all the stories and therefore found some episodes to be hit-or-miss. But now I was in high school and started to grasp the stories better. Pretty soon shows that I loved as a kid like KNIGHT RIDER became more and more cheesy while shows like FIVE-0 only got more and more interesting and exciting!! I spent that whole summer of 1997 watching 2 episodes of Five-0 every single day. By the time the summer ended I had seen all the episodes of seasons 10, 11, 12, 2, 3, and the "Cocoon" episode!

My introduction to Five-0 (when I wasn't yet a hardcore fan) must have been somewhere around 1993 but at that time I would only catch a random episode here and there whenever I stumbled upon it. KNIGHT RIDER was the show that I lived for at the time!

Added: Tuesday 23 June 2015 15:21:16 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Great point honu. That scene where the couple finds out that their child who they thought they had adopted legally was kidnapped was tough to watch. Poor Ben had to be the bearer of terrible news!

Added: Tuesday 23 June 2015 08:01:28 MST


Submitted by: honu59
From: New York

Rainbow Warrior,

Great comments on "The Child Stealers" - I also liked Al Harrington's performance in that one.

"It was dumb for the mother to leave the baby unattended on the sidewalk in front of the market."

Of course, one should never leave a baby unattended. But the early 1970s were far safer times than today and it was probably not the unthinkable act back then that it is now.

"This seems like a "contemporary issues" show, so was child kidnapping a big problem in 1972 and 1973 in the US?"

I don't know if kidnapping babies was a big problem in the early 70s. I was in my early teens back then. But I think that there was a high demand for white babies and I think that was one of the points of this episode. That point was nailed home for me when Ben stopped the couple at the airport, but when he saw that the baby was Asian and not white, he knew they were not the right couple. That scene stayed with me. I thought the little Chinese baby (or whatever the ethnicity) was adorable.

My heart broke, not only for the mothers whose babies were kidnapped, but also for the mother in California who thought she had adopted a child legally, only to have to give it back to its real mother. I can't imagine her grief. Five-O gave us powerful stuff like this often!

Added: Monday 22 June 2015 17:16:52 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

Mr. Mike: Good link on "The most interesting man". He's on a few Streets of San Francisco episodes too. In case you didn't realize it, Goldsmith is also on a Five-O episode from the first season - "By the Numbers". He's the boyfriend of Irene, the girl who's buddying up to Johnny Crawford. But in that episode, he goes by the last name of Lippe. It seems that he tried to carry a bit of a Bogart accent with him in those days.

Added: Monday 22 June 2015 15:09:29 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

I watched the "Child Stealers" from the original's season five over the weekend, and a few comments about it:

It was dumb for the mother to leave the baby unattended on the sidewalk in front of the market. You just don't do that with any child no matter how old, especially eight weeks old! The actress playing the mother wasn't very good as she seemed like an amateur. All the babies used were as cute as a button, and I wonder where they got them all to film the episode. The showdown between MCG and future "Six Million Dollar Man" star Richard Anderson was priceless. Two old veterans going at it, and I loved when MCG said "I gave you a chance to cooperate voluntarily and now here's your court order!"

The snatching of the baby from her swing at the back of the house was truly horrifying and must have given mothers at the time nightmares. I thought Al Harrington was superb again in this show especially in the way that he handles comedy. The scene in the airport where he stops the wrong couple and raises his eyes at Chin was priceless. I really thought that Al added many great moments to the show and it was better with him. It's too bad that they didn't let him stay until the end of the show's run in 1980. He would have picked up much of the slack in season twelve when James MacArthur left.

The climax was the usual great Five-O suspense although I don't see how the baby could breathe all covered up in that box especially since they gave him sedative. One quibble is that when MCG wrestles Richard Hatch to the ground you can see that it is a stunt man and not Jack tying him up.

The last line is classic Five-O:

"I did it to be free." MCG: Think about how free you'll be in a 6 by 8 foot cell. Book Em." That classic MCG look of disdain and disgust that I have tried to copy in my life when someone disgusts me, on his face. Just great stuff.

Finally, I noticed similarities between this episode and Season One's "Once Upon a Time" in that both revolve around distressed babies and MCG has to go to LA to solve it. This is a question for H50 and honu and anyone else that was alive at the time. This seems like a "contemporary issues" show, so was child kidnapping a big problem in 1972 and 1973 in the US? Is this why they did this show?

I was only 2 years old at the time myself and wouldn't know! ;)

Added: Monday 22 June 2015 08:59:27 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Vin Diesel as Kojak? Puh-leeze!!

http://www.imdb.com/news/ni58716602/

Added: Sunday 21 June 2015 13:19:52 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Jonathan Goldsmith plays Malcolm Vaughn in Man in a Steel Frame (season nine), the professional hitman who knocks off McGarrett's girl friend Cathi Ryan. When Vaughn is seen in flashbacks, his face is covered with mask-like material. Anyway, here is a recent interview with Goldsmith:

http://www.npr.org/2015/06/20/415835643/the-man-behind-the-most-interesting-man-is-interesting-too

Added: Sunday 21 June 2015 08:50:57 MST


Submitted by: Mr. MIke
From: Vancouver

Article about two classic cars on TV, one is of interest to us (the second show is filmed in Vancouver):

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/06/small-screen-big-car-hawaii-five-o-mercury-marquis-supernatural-impala

Added: Saturday 20 June 2015 09:20:29 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Classic HFO Fans. Finally watched Invitation To Murder Season 10. It was 1 of about 8-10 episodes that I've never seen. A good departure for the series as McG & HFO team must investigate a family of heirs who could inherit millions of $ if they can survive 1 year. Addison Barlowe the famous artist died left the interesting will and it starts quick when Mrs. Thorpe drops dead after the will is read. Nobody can be trusted and the task is a tough one as the family heirs could be the possible perpetrators or the next potential victims. Other heirs include Mr. Thorpe, the grown Addison children Eugenie and Lawrence,their mother Riah, and Addison's old brother. There's a secondary story about forged paintings of Addison's delivered by Lawrence who hands them over to an art dealer. Carolyn one of the heirs died earlier falling down a steep mountainside road. During the investigation, McG realizes that some of the heirs had been poisoned while Lawrence later died taking Eugenie's tampered car. McG struggles to put the jagged pieces together. Things finally click for McG when he accuses Mr. Thorpe in the same room where the will was read.A nice twist ending for those who love the Agatha Christie and Murder She Wrote stories. I would give Invitation To Murder 4 stars out of 6. Mr. Mike gave this episode 2 stars out of 4. I think that's about right. I liked the actress who played Eugenie. John

Added: Friday 19 June 2015 15:40:22 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I have finished my anal-ysis of The Invaders. Check it out:

http://theinvaders.tv/

Added: Thursday 18 June 2015 11:34:48 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I am almost finished with my project reviewing The Invaders' episodes (http://www.mjq.net/invaders).

Much of the music in this show is by Dominic Frontiere, who scored The Outer Limits and The Fugitive, among other productions.

On one of The Fugitive DVDs, I found a short clip where Frontiere talks about scoring this show, and the TV music business in general.

I suspect a lot of things he says in this show could be applied to Five-O, like the use of stock music:

http://mjq.net/misc/Frontiere/

At the end, there is a lengthy excerpt from some Fugitive episode which was scored by Frontiere which takes up about half of the clip, so once you get to that, you can stop watching if you want...

Added: Tuesday 16 June 2015 10:56:15 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

Rainbow, "Family Crook"is one if my favorites. There's a shift from the normal no nonsense to some levity. It's a good shift every once in awhile. That episode, along with Secret Witness and a couple others, were a inspiration for visiting the Kaimuki district on my recent visit. See my pictures, if you're interested. The link is towards the bottom of Mr. Mike's Five-O home page.

I'll rank the first 7 seasons. 6 (easily for me, I'm a product of the mid 70's culture). 3, 5, 2, 1, 4, 7.

Added: Monday 15 June 2015 16:23:07 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Vrinda:

I completely agree with you that the Vashon Trilogy was the "coming of age" of Hawaii Five-O in 1972. The show that season reached its highest ratings ever which was number three in the ratings behind "All in the Family" and "Sanford and Son." That is something the new show never will do. What started in my opinion with the ending of "The Jinn that Clears the Way." came to fruition with the Vashon trilogy which was the turning of the old show from edgy, gritty cop show set in beautiful Hawaii into epic, mythic, legendary classic status. Everything was amped up after Vashon, the acting, guest stars, photography, plots, and this is why in the movie "Frost and Nixon" that Ron Howard chose the "Hawaii Five-O" framed sign to represent CBS when David Frost is shopping his Nixon interviews in 1976-1977 because by that time it was legendary.

For example, I watched "I'm a Family Crook-Don't Shoot! for the first time last night and my reaction was just "WOW!" I mean that ending with Ben was just the greatest. I'm speculating that was Al Harrington's favorite part of his time on the show. Just wonderful. The plot, acting, Shibata's car being blown up and you see the door landing here, the wheel there, his pimp hat slowly floating down. What a wonderful episode. The fifth season is when this show cemented its status as "legendary" and people who think the new show is better than the old simply do not realize the effect that the old show had on American popular culture. Compare this year's stupid and silly wedding/nuke finale to any of the season five classics and there is no comparison in quality.

John, I'm only going to rank the first five seasons as I'm going through them on DVD and will wait until I review seasons five through 12 to rank them all. For the first five seasons I rank them as favorites from 1 though 5 as 5,3,1,4,2. I'm a lover of the 1970's and the sixties I have mixed feelings about. The fifth season 1972-1973 moved more towards the organized crime, action adventure plots like "The Clock Struck Twelve" that I loved. I'm not a big lover of the whole late 1960's flower child, hippie, rage against the man and the establishment, cops are pigs type of mentality that was in the early 1960's years. They reran those shows so much on TV when I was a kid that they were on too much, and I thought that decade screwed up this country ever since in so many ways. The plots I liked in the first couple of years were the Big Chicken, Wo Fat, international intrigue episodes, along with very thoughtful shows like "King of the Hill"

I loved the season one shows that weren't full of hippie-dippie.

Added: Monday 15 June 2015 07:27:14 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Have to admit I'm enjoying A Bird In Hand the more times I witness it. Like Mr. Mike stated in his reviews, there are some problems in the episode. One-This beautiful reporter witness should be in protective custody. That's what McG and HFO team did to others. Her capture should not have happened with all the HFO team. Two-Paying off the workers makes no sense. They killed strangers yet let these people who could implicate them go. Three-Killing the bird watchers was overkill. Could have just stole the film. Four-This Santos was some kind of Bruce Jenner athlete. Driving 18 wheeler, a scuba diver, a kidnapper. He has some kind of talent. I enjoyed when Del Vecchi fell from the weak railing. It was possible since the building old sugar mill should have been condemned and torn down. John

Added: Sunday 14 June 2015 17:36:02 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

VRINDA and Rainbow and Ringfire

I think many Classic HFO fans believe the V for Vashon definitely Top 10 episodes of series. Great acting,strong script,interesting frame. Say the HFO team could not unravel Nick's frame on Steve. What other options could Steve have to win his freedom and avoid jail?

Mr. Mike had his Classic HFO ratings for each 12 seasons. I wonder what your FAV season was of Classic HFO. My top 3 seasons were 3,6,1. Thanks to Mr. Mike and the loyal HFO followers who make the Discussion Forum the place to be for HFO discussion, info, and trivia. John

Added: Friday 12 June 2015 17:56:25 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

John, you're welcome for the Spider Brown update, and Rainbow, you're welcome for that information on the Vashon Trilogy. Many people involved with Hawaii Five-O cite the Vashon Trilogy as among the best of the series. I called it "Hawaii Five-O's coming of age" when interviewing one crew member, and he agreed. Not that H5O wasn't good before, but once the Vashon Trilogy came and went, there was no going back.

Added: Friday 12 June 2015 11:12:35 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Definitely think Yes, My Deadly Daughter one of the most underrated Classic HFO episodes. Excellent acting all around. Lee Mei the daughter orchestrates a daring 4 million robbery using Jerry and the Wu Chings gang to kill Mr. Vincent and steal the suitcase money. Her father is one of big crime lords and utilizes one of his associates Varna to find who is behind the theft. It's a real cat and mouse game whether McG can find the money or Liu and his associate Varna. Outstanding story and a real interesting ending or great ending. Poor Jerry! Never got to spend his money. Yes, My Deadly Daughter 5 stars ***** out of 6 stars. Chin gets a workout this episode chasing and capturing members of the street gang and running down Varna in the deep foliage at end. John

Added: Thursday 11 June 2015 21:46:26 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

Terrence McNally's Broadway Hit -- IT'S ONLY A PLAY -- is coming to the Hawai'i Theatre June 18-28, 2015.

It's a "…wickedly funny comedy about an opening night Broadway party where we're all waiting for the first reviews. It's a hilarious look at the craziness, pain and ultimately the thrill of theatre life.” (Joe Moore)

Eleven performances benefiting the Hawai'i Theatre will feature three veterans of the original Hawaii Five-0 -- Linda Purl ("The Hostage," Season 7, Joe Moore (10 episodes), Cathy Foy (2 episodes) -- and other Hawaiian and Broadway actors, including Paul Mitri, Ryan Wuestewald, Tom Holowach, and Desmond Gilla.

For tickets, call (808) 528-0506 or visit hawaiitheatre[dot]com.

Joe Moore reports that rehearsals are going very well and that he's having more fun with this production than he has had on any others in which he has appeared -- and they make an impressive list! If you're going to be in the area, by all means, reserve your tickets and go to see IT'S ONLY A PLAY!

As JL would say, "Be there! Aloha!"

Added: Thursday 11 June 2015 17:52:08 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Great post Ringfire. Next up "I'm a Family Crook-Don't Shoot"

I read your post Mike on the casting of the new Five-o, and I understand their viewpoint about the ethnic makeup of the cast, but looking at it from my viewpoint which is solidly from an "acting or performance viewpoint" the casting of Scott Caan and Grace Park were fatal mistakes that the show never recovered from. Park is beautiful but simply can't act. She had a few good moments in the first couple of years on the show, but either checked out mentally or just didn't have it. The Melina episode pointed out painfully that she can't hold a candle to an experienced veteran TV actress. You can have a talented actress who is also beautiful. Park is not the powerful female actress they needed. Caan has simply been a nightmare the whole way through, and never should have been offered the part.

THe character of Max is played well by the actor on the show, but his character throws off the tone of the whole show with his strangeness and oddball bits of humor. The character like the show was painfully misguided.

Added: Monday 08 June 2015 07:20:31 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

It's sad that William, Jr. was seen as a live-in babysitter by his parents, and his parents seemed oblivious to him most of the time. He would go out surfing, surfboard in hand, and they didn't ask him where he was going, and he got into so many fights, and his parents weren't suspicious about the cuts and bruises. That the kids could do all those things without the teachers even knowing about it shows how inattentive the adults were.

Hawaii has not done much to improve their public schools all these years. A friend who lives there told me that they let the elementary school kids in her neighborhood out at 1:00 pm certain days of the week, when they should be in school two hours longer. It's because it's cheaper for them to shorten the schoolday.

Added: Sunday 07 June 2015 16:15:59 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

Still in Season 8, Episode 184 in Mr. Mike's episode list in "Legacy of Terror". A good episode. Mr. Mike notes in his review:

"The two of them play golf on a hillside above Honolulu with a spectacular view."

That was in reference (about 10 minutes into the episode) to Kelsey (Don Porter) and Din Lee (Moe Keale) seemingly playing golf well above Honolulu. That "golf course" is actually a large patch a grass at the Tantalus or Ualaka'a Overlook. At one point, you can see the green Tantalus shelter behind Moe's shoulder. See my picture of the shelter in the link below. There is no golf course up there, just a patch of grass and a spectacular view as you can see in the second link.

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/41803861
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/120362458

Added: Sunday 07 June 2015 13:04:42 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the live oaks

Great article by William Finnegan (Jr.), Mike. I'm glad "The New Yorker" gave him enough words to really tell the story. It is interesting to note how little has changed in Hawai'i since those days. Those who can't afford private school still are pretty much left to shift for themselves -- and not always with good results.

Public education seems to receive lip service there, as here, although with one exception: Hawai'i has not eliminated its music program. As a result, the islands turn out very talented musicians with trained voices and the ability to play instruments we mainlanders have no idea how to play.

Added: Sunday 07 June 2015 12:30:24 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Five-0 Redux: Casting the ‘Five-0′ ‘ohana:

http://www.honolulupulse.com/2015/06/five-0-ohana/

Added: Sunday 07 June 2015 08:53:53 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Very interesting article about life in Hawaii in the 1960s by son of Five-O producer Bill Finnegan:

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/06/01/off-diamond-head-finnegan

Added: Sunday 07 June 2015 08:37:44 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Thinking about Mr Mike's 4 star system and how would I grade Season 1 Classic HFO. I have a 6 star system. Let's see what I came up with. 1. Full Fathom Five 3.5 stars 2.Strangers In Our Own Land 3.5 stars 3.Tiger By The Tail 3 stars 4.Samurai 3 stars 5.And They Painted Daisies 3 stars 6.Twenty Four Karat Kill 3 stars 7.The Ways Of Love 3.5 stars 8.No Blue Skies 3 stars 9.By The Numbers 3.5 stars 10.Yesterday Died... 4 stars 11.Deathwatch 3.5 stars 12.Pray Love Remember 3 stars 13.King of The Hill 4 stars 14.Up Tight 2.5 stars 15.Face Of The Dragon 3.5 stars 16.The Box 3 stars 17.One For The Money 3.5 stars 18.Along Came Joey 2.5 stars 19 & 20. Once Upon A Time 4 stars 21.Not That Much Different 2 stars 22.Six Kilos 3 stars 23.The Big Kahuna 3 stars. John

Added: Friday 05 June 2015 14:59:36 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

When I was reviewing the Mission Impossible late-80's "reboot," one of the shows was ridiculously rank in the same way Five-O's "A Matter of Mutual Concern" was. You might have a good laugh the way I dealt with this:

http://mjq.net/mi88/mi88-2.html#8

This show starred character actor Albert Salmi, who also appeared on Five-O.

Added: Friday 05 June 2015 09:52:42 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Great comments all around Fred. The Season 8 seems to be a forgotten year in HFO catalogue. Sing A Song of Suspense is a solid episode. Koko played an effective bad guy and Lois was an interesting and bubbly character. Both she and McG knows how lonely it is when you're at top of profession. It's shows Koko had affection for her but was willing to kill her to save himself from prison. A quick thinking McG set the trap and Koko was caught. Thought the new HFO episode with the hit man with the new heart was an interesting episode. The commune was a unique concept I've never seen before. That was a high adrenaline episode. Would give both 3 stars on a 4 star system. John

Added: Thursday 04 June 2015 23:02:18 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

Mr. Mike, I have a sideline observations about Episode 5.4 - The Painter, from the new series. That's the one with the ridiculous plot of the hit man who herds his contract victims to his own hideaway commune. It was just re-broadcasted by CBS. In your review, you mention:

"Mercer, also known as Valentine (because "he has no heart," according to the mainland's Special Agent Chapman (Alysia Reiner))"

I guess the writers were cute on this one because, now knowing that Mercer had the heart transplant before they mention it, they also had two other heart related zingers before revealing the transplant.

During that same briefing you mentioned, they talked about his "accident" sidelining him and she then said that he came back "without missing a beat", although I will say it may have been "without skipping a beat". And later McGarrett, trying to figure out why Mercer killed the second hit, man he says "maybe he's had a change of heart". Actually, that one was pretty good in hindsight.

Added: Thursday 04 June 2015 15:40:19 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

In my somewhat abstract re-watching of the original series, I have reached season 8. For some reason I really like Sing a Song of Suspense. I guess it's because Lois Nettleton's acting comes across to me as somewhat seductive. But I do agree with Mr. Mike's review that the opening song is totally awful.

But I really wanted to comment about the previous episode, The Defector. A decent episode, but wouldn't a defector from China know that Whitey Ford would have started Game 1 for any Yankee involved World Series for the Yankees from 1953-1964 and not Ralph Terry? Or course not, but it was a funny choice of test questions. Whitey Ford would have been an easy bluff answer for most trained spies maybe. No matter, my real bafflement about the episode is about who is sponsoring the mission. Is that ever established and if not, when McG is going through the scenario and decides that Soon Taek-Oh is an impostor, it would seem to me that he would automatically suspect Wo Fat as the sponsor of the whole scheme. That's who McG suspects every other time a Red Chinese spy comes to Hawaii. Anyone ever think of that too?

Added: Thursday 04 June 2015 14:39:14 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Hey Rainbow,

I totally get what you're saying not just about "The Clock Struck Twelve" but about season 5 (and 6) in general. You mentioned that there is something special about those 2 seasons. I completely agree. Not only did those 2 seasons see the show at its peak in the ratings but they were also my earliest memories of the show! Episodes like "Pig in a Blanket", "Journey Out of Limbo", "The Clock Struck Twelve", "Fools Die Twice", the second part of the Vashon trilogy, "Jury of One", and even more episodes from the 6th season are some of my earliest memories of the show. I remembered those episodes long before I ever found out what the episode titles were. I think that's the reason why for quite some time I considered those 2 to be my favorite seasons. Looking back it's funny to think that I was familiar with Ben (or Duke for that matter) before I was familiar with Kono.

Nowadays I can't quite get myself to call these 2 my favorites because I consider the first 6 to be my favorites and I honestly can't choose between them. When pressed I'm likely to call out (along with Big Chicken) season 1 as my favorite just because it has that raw energy and freshness plus that late 60s vibe! Jack Lord with his shorter hair and an even shorter fuse are a real treat too! Then there's Big Chicken, bruddah!! But ultimately I enjoy the first 6 seasons about evenly. I do enjoy Kono more than Ben though, even though I probably was more familiar with Ben and Duke when watching as a kid. There's just something about Kono and his teddy bear demeanor that I love. He was the original and his successors (who also did a good job) couldn't quite fill his shoes (figuratively and literally, although Kono said he had "dainty little feet").

Come to think of it I do have some early memories of some season 1 and 2 episodes. However, seasons 3 and 4 were largely new to me so it was a special treat watching those for the first time (in syndication of course many years ago).

I agree that watching those episodes that you have fond childhood memories of can be a very special thing! I remember being freaked out as a kid when Danno's cop friend pulled over the speeder in that hot rod he was driving and getting plugged in the stomach a few times by that wild-haired freak. That was "Pig in a Blanket" and that's the kind of stuff you never forget.

Happy season 5 viewing! I'll have to get on board soon...

Added: Wednesday 03 June 2015 18:22:52 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Vrinda-Thanks for the Spider Brown update. Just assumed Tosaki killed Sullivan. Enjoyed The Case Against McGarrett. Mr. Gould was a fine actor and played Honore with the right charm and menace. The ending could have been more suspenseful had the convicts voted 6-3 or 5-2 or whatever for McGarrett to be guilty. Vashon could have went on a tirade and ordered McG death. He could have pointed the gun just as the SWAT team entered. It would have been fun to see convicts vote. Strong episode! 5 stars out of 6 on my system. I'm curious of Classic HFO fans what they thought the best McG frame was in the series. Old Nick probably was the best in V for Vashon the Patriarch. John

Added: Monday 01 June 2015 19:23:33 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

Correction: He graduated from high school in 1944. He graduated from the Academy and was commissioned in 1948. He served in Korea from 1950 to 1953 (or thereabouts). Still, he would have to have advanced beyond lieutenant in 1962.

Added: Monday 01 June 2015 19:21:29 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Thanks, H50. I wish there was better attention paid to the continuity but, many people aren't familiar with military protocol or rankings, though there were many references available.

If only Steve had said that he had been on the island for fourteen years in "Murder is a Taxing Affair," this wouldn't be as confusing.

Added: Monday 01 June 2015 13:58:07 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

Good, Vrinda! That means he graduated and was commissioned in 1944 and surely would have promoted beyond lieutenant by 1962 (or beyond), when the Arizona Memorial opened.

Actually, there is a rule that, if an officer misses out on two or three promotion reviews (I don't remember which), he loses his commission and must leave the service. The reviews come up every two or three years (again, I don't remember which. It's been 25 years since I worked for the Air Force, and I was a civilian).

Added: Monday 01 June 2015 12:58:32 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

"We know that McGarrett took biology in high school in 1944 ("Death is a Company Policy," Season 5). If it was a 10th grade course, as it was when I was in school, that would mean he graduated from high school in 1946."

The report card said that he was in the twelfth grade.

Added: Monday 01 June 2015 11:19:35 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

.38 Special, this may help, but it is incomplete, in part because of inconsistencies throughout the series and in part because I don't remember some of the episode titles when the information was revealed. Rainbow can probably help there.

We know that McGarrett took biology in high school in 1944 ("Death is a Company Policy," Season 5). If it was a 10th grade course, as it was when I was in school, that would mean he graduated from high school in 1946. We know that he attended the US Naval Academy and was commissioned into the Navy as an ensign. We do not know the date, but we do know that he served in Korea. Using the date provided in "Death is a Company Policy," we can extrapolate that he graduated from the Academy and was commissioned in 1950, meaning he very well could have served in Korea, as stated.

The first disconnect comes in "Time and Memories" (Season 3), when McGarrett is shown in a flashback as an active-duty lieutenant at some point after the opening of the Arizona Memorial (1962). This is inaccurate, since he would have advanced beyond lieutenant (2 steps above ensign) between 1950 and 1962.

In "Good Night, Baby - Time to Die!" (Season 4), McGarrett tells Carol Rhodes (Beth Brickell) that he was appointed by the governor to head Five-0 in 1959, when Hawai'i became a state and that after nine years (1968), he was tired and took a vacation to Switzerland. That being the case, McGarrett could not have been in the active-duty Navy in 1962. Yet, in "Murder is a Taxing Affair," it comes out that McGarrett relocated to Hawai'i in 1961. In "FOB Honolulu" (Season 3), when he is reunited with Cdr Ron Nicholson, who took his place in Naval Intelligence/Tokyo, one receives the impression that they worked together more recently than either 1959 or 1961, although no dates are given.

We learn in an episode (name forgotten) that McGarrett was a lieutenant commander when he left active duty to head Five-0. I want to say that, in an earlier episode, I saw McGarrett wearing lieutenant commander's insignia (two wide stripes separated by a narrow stripe), but I have no idea where I saw it. Maybe Rainbow can help here.

I do know that, in "Murder - Eyes Only" (Season 8), McGarrett was a full commander (three wide stripes) in the naval reserves. In fact, he was doing his annual two-weeks reserve duty when he was called upon to return to Pearl to solve the case.

Hope this helps.

Added: Monday 01 June 2015 10:36:21 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

As the summer "hiatus" is here, people are taking the time to rewatch episodes of the old Five-O, as evidenced by the discussions of the last few days. I probably should go back and update my anal-yses of some of the episodes, especially since several of those from the early seasons have never gotten this treatment.

But for the moment, I am finally catching up on my watching (and reviewing) of The Invaders, another classic from 1967 to 1968, this time in the area of science fiction TV. I started a page for this several years ago after the show was released on DVD, but things fell by the wayside. Finally I have time to catch up. I am finding, though, that this show is somewhat less "classic" than I remembered! One of the first season episodes (one of the better ones), Vikor, features Jack Lord in a tense performance.

http://www.mjq.net/invaders

I have also given the "treatment" to a couple more TV shows as well.

Peter Gunn:

http://www.mjq.net/petergunn

And another "reboot," that for Mission Impossible from the late 1980s (don't ask me why I did this, thank God it was only two seasons long):

http://www.mjq.net/mi88

=====

Speaking of good versus bad shows, the following reply was made in a thread at IMDB to a negative posting by some person who had to watch the new Five-0 because it was part of his job, something to do with music rights.

You do realize it's not real life and just a TV show...it's meant to be nothing but entertainment. I would say don't watch if you don't like it...

This is a comment often thrown at anyone who doesn't like the new show, which I can't stand (the comment, more than the new show ... I have actually given some of the new shows four stars, y'know!). This was my reply:

I really don't understand this attitude. Does this mean that the show is exempt from criticism?

People like TV shows and movies for a variety of reasons. Some people even like them because they are BAD. Mystery Science Theater 3000, which ridiculed movies that fell into this category, had a considerable following and was even nominated for Emmy awards. And then there are people who watch shows because they find them "so bad that they are good." (Neither of these categories apply to the new Five-0 in my opinion, though.)

Added: Monday 01 June 2015 09:17:01 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Ok, much to get to today.

Fred,

Yes, I saw that Harvey Drew showed up as a lawyer for the Vashon's earlier in the trilogy which I think was to set up the last third of the series. As soon as I saw him say hello to Steve coming out of the meeting at the hotel, I knew he was in on the plot to frame MCG. I showed the Vashon trilogy to two people who had never seen it before recently and they were both shocked when old Nick shoots himself in the head. Also, in regards to what you and Vrinda were saying: the frame of Steve in part three had plenty of holes and risks in that if you think too hard about it were implausible. This is why part two in my opinion is a better show than part three, but when you have stretched a storyline over three episodes they were probably stretching to wrap it up satisfactorily. Still, a powerful show though despite it's flaws.

Joe: It seems "Spider" was a popular name for characters in the 1970's. In "Rocky" Balboa's opening fight was against "Spider Rico" as Ringfire and any Philadelphian will tell you. In "Goodfellas" the kid who gets shot by Joe Pesci at the poker game was named "spider" and that scene was supposed to take place in the 1970's, so it seems that "spider" was a popular nickname during that decade.

Finally, I watched one of my all time favorite episodes over the weekend in Season Five's "The Clock Struck Twelve." I just love this show. I will never forget the first time that I saw this show in reruns back in the 1980's. It was a Friday afternoon, just out of school for the weekend, and I was having pizza while I was just on the edge of my seat as Danno defused one bomb while Che Fong talked him through it, only to find out that after going through all that tension, that once that first bomb was defused, a cop runs up to Danno and says "Brace yourself Danny, they found another bomb." Boom! the wave comes up and cuts to commercial and I was just stunned. We had to go through it all again as Danny tired, exhausted, stressed, sweating had to defuse another bomb while lying on his back. Then once that is done, Danno and the cops have to bring the bombs out of the Judiciary building, with Danny's suit all dirty from lying around in the basement with the bombs. Then, as if there wasn't enough suspense, Danny and the other officers can't bring the bombs out of the building into the Bomb disposal truck because Abraham is outside the building with a rifle ready to blow them up. I mean the suspense and danger in this show never let up. It was just brilliant!

Also, notable, were the Governor's shaking his head at Steve as Mcg leaves his office which was a rare sign of annoyance from him at MCG. Steve's great speech in jail to the captured "radical seven" by saying "No one would condone the use of drugs or ripping off these islands, but no one is above the law!" Then you have the great opening ending in Steve's "Boom!", his "I don't know who to root for" line, his finding of Abraham's brother in the garage all tied up and the caring way he holds his face after he tells him what Abraham is up to. Throw in his "Hi, Honey" to the dying hippie girl, his transfer from his car to his helicopter, and the final aerial shot of Abraham's dead body on the roof of the building, and this was one of the all time best shows in my opinion! This was why I fell in love with the show!

James McArthur just brilliant in this show as well.

Added: Monday 01 June 2015 07:27:56 MST


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