Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- June 2012

The Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- June 2012


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Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Re: "But what about KONO? He should have been getting some action also. Maybe Jack Lord WAS just a haole who didn't give Zulu his proper moments to shine, and get laid!!!"

Maybe if he had remained on the show, he'd have had his chance to shine. For all we know, if Kono had still been on the show, maybe he would have been the one framed in "Death is a Company Policy" (Season 5)? Maybe the script had to be rewritten? After all, it seemed a bit strange for Duke to get that moment when he was HPD and not Five-0.

Added: Saturday 30 June 2012 14:17:11 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

LB,

Thank you for your response. I agree that the comparison of the two shows won’t make for accurate arguments, with the difference in the eras in which the two shows were made, and how certain attitudes have changed, as well as the visual differences – hair, clothing, cars, and technology. Those differences, though, are superficial.

As for the treatment of women and idea of having a woman on the team, these were not issues that were glossed over entirely on the first show. In the second episode, "Full Fathom Five,” there was Det. Joyce Weber (Patricia Smith), who was a large part of the investigation. In the second season, there was Officer Joyce Bennett (Marianne McAndrew) in "A Bullet For McGarrett,” and Anne Helm in "Just Lucky, I Guess,” (also playing a detective named Joyce). All these characters were important to the storylines and not there to answer phones and do paperwork. Also, in Season 2, there was Marj Dusay’s spy character, C.J. Andreas (I’m not sure if I got her name correct) in "The 24-Karat Kill.”

There were women who played traditional female roles like secretaries, nurses, and lab assistants, but those are important jobs, not demeaning ones as some people on other message boards said. I think a female detective would have worked and gone over well with the audience, provided she was well-written and not someone who is has more skills and talents than is humanly possible, or someone who perpetuates a stereotype . By stereotype, I mean a female character who always has her hair and makeup in place, flirts with the men all the time, and acts like the helpless female who the men have to rescue, which we saw in many films. She has to fit into Five-O like the male characters do, with her own talents, but the writers have to be careful not to make her into a shrill-voiced feminist, an "I am Woman, Hear Me Roar” type, like the female assistant DA in "Tall on the Wave” (I hate that woman!). She’s got to be someone who comes in, does her job, does it well, and enhances the team, like the male characters do.

I don’t think Leonard Freeman, Jack Lord, or CBS purposely left out a female character. Jack said in an interview with Photoplay that he wanted to add a lady to the cast for years, but CBS’s execs told him, "Why mess with it?” meaning why tool around with something that is working. In 1979, he spoke to a CBS executive who was one of the few who listened to his suggestions, and he man said to add a woman, and Lori Wilson was born. The article also said that that was one of the conditions Jack made for agreeing to a second season.

The idea of a female police officer on a TV show in the seventies was not unheard of. Remember Eve Whitfield on "Ironside” (played by Barbara Anderson), later to be replaced by Fran Bauer (played by Elizabeth Belding)? And then there was Cinnamon Carter (Barbara Bain), Dana (Lesley Warren), Casey (Linda Day George), and a host of female guest stars who played members of the MI team on "Mission: Impossible.” Barbara Anderson even joined the show in 1972, to replace Linda Day George, who was having a baby at the time. Beverly Garland had a show called Decoy in the late fifties, where she played a female police officer who went undercover. There was also Rachel Ames on "Lineup,” but I haven’t seen that show, only read about it, so I don’t know whether or not her character did any field work. Given all these roles, it wouldn’t have been unusual for Leonard Freeman to create a female police officer for Hawaii Five-O. In 1974 came Angie Dickinson’s Pepper Anderson on "Police Woman.”

In reference to presentation of an authority figure, many critics and viewers misinterpret Jack Lord’s Steve McGarrett. They see him as bossy, arrogant, superior, preachy, and that all he ever did was give orders to his men, was not a team player, and the other members of the team were nothing more than flunkies. That shows how little they paid attention and how they are looking for things to pick on, which are miniscule, and overlook what was more prominently portrayed and more endearing to Steve McGarrett. He was the boss, so part of his job was to give orders.

That was not all he did. Steve cared about his men. He took their side and never wavered in his faith in them when they were accused of crimes. He ran out on a meeting with the governor to be at Danno’s side in "Journey into Limbo.” He showed tough love to Danno in "And They Painted Daisies on His Coffin,” though, because coddling Danno wasn’t going to teach him anything. Danno was a cop, and it was the first time he shot a man. Steve was hammering the reality into Danno that this would not be the last time he would shoot someone, and he should never feel happy about it. He would remember this first time he ever shot a man, only to remind him that it’s not something any cop will relish. Some people would only see a detective yelling at his subordinate and acting superior and moralistic, but that shows they don’t understand the storyline, what the characters are going through, and the message Steve was sending Danno. They only focused on the fact that it was the man in charge lecturing one of his underlings.

The new Danno speaking so disrespectfully to the new Steve is a contrast to Danno 1’s loyalty, unquestioning nature, and dedication to both his job and his boss, and it’s not an improvement. The new Danno’s behavior gives him all the worst personality traits possible and cheapens the character.

Added: Saturday 30 June 2012 13:17:26 MST


Submitted by: otto
From: nyc

Chin Ho was married with a barnyard of kids, as we saw in "Cry, Lie". Steve had some romantic interludes along the run. Danno had a couple, such as his deceitful romance with Barbara Luna, and his tragic survival of the death of Anne Archer. That was sad. But what about KONO? He should have been getting some action also. Maybe Jack Lord WAS just a haole who didn't give Zulu his proper moments to shine, and get laid!!!

Added: Saturday 30 June 2012 13:06:53 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Exactly, Kimo. Exactly!

Added: Saturday 30 June 2012 07:48:40 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

"On NCIS, Gibbs' head-slapping is assault." whatever you wanna legally call it. it ain't something I would put up with. I don't care if he were my boss, I would turn around and flatten his friggin nose and he would remember the response and never do it again. I dunno why these whimps on that show put up with that.

Added: Friday 29 June 2012 22:35:56 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Good points, LB. I like enough realism to be able to relate to what I am watching. On NCIS, Gibbs' head-slapping is assault. Head-slapping a woman would be sexual harassment, at the very least.

Similarly, the carguments in 2.0 are ridiculous! When the police are going after a suspect, the last thing that's on their minds is whether they can find an apartment, who was kept up by late-night TV, etc. Those things come after the arrest has been made, the part that would be going on while the ending credits ran if the show were continued that long.

But the thing that really frosts me about 2.0 has to do with the police breaking the law and justifying it as OK because they are going after criminals. Breaking the law is illegal, no matter who does it. The police should be setting a good example, not sinking to the level of the people they seek to arrest.

That and one other thing: They don't know how to act. They mumble their words in a dull monotone that does not reflect the emotions of the moment. They aren't in their roles. They aren't "feeling" their characters. They're just reciting lines. When was the last time you saw a character's eyes light up the way Kono 1.0's eyes did? Zulu had presence, even though he actually spoke few lines. He was in the character of Kono, and it showed.

Maybe it's time people stopped criticizing method acting and gave it a serious look. It really makes the difference.

Added: Friday 29 June 2012 20:54:36 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

Vrinda,

I agree with your observations completely, while respecting Marianne's analysis.

One thing that people must realize if they choose to compare the two shows is that while they share the same title, they aired in two completely different eras. We are talking comparing the present decade to the 1970s. Thus, there are going to be things that may seem dated about the original series, such as its' treatment of women and presentation of an authority figure. If Five-O 1.0 handled those issues the same way as 2.0, it may have pleased critics of the time, but things such as having a subordinate like Scott Caan's character at times disrespecting his boss likely would not have flown with the audience then. I also believe that having a female member of the team probably wouldn't have gone over well either, at least during the show's prime. Yes, the Lori character was introduced in Season 12 (1979), but no one was watching the series by then enough to notice or care.

As for realism, I have always preferred more escapism in my police series, while not being totally over the top. The police procedurals these days generally have vanilla characters that are not as memorable as those from yesteryear. Would you really rather watch one of those characters on Law & Order or watch McGarrett (1.0), Kojak, or Mannix? In addition, the characters on 1.0 played their parts more realistically than those on 2.0, although I do like Daniel Dae Kim and Grace Park's interpretations of their characters.

Added: Friday 29 June 2012 17:57:36 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

scott caan to be with jimmy kimmel tonite at midnite. me sleeping

it is a rerun but the day caan was on , the nba finals were playing and kimmel must have been on after 1am

Added: Friday 29 June 2012 08:56:11 MST


Submitted by: Otto
From: NYC

I'm the first to admit that Five-O is my fave primarily for nostalgic reasons. Quite often, more in the early seasons, it had great writing, great music, great performances, etc, but for me it's like being home again. I think nostalgia is valid.

Marianne has her take on it, and i concede some of those points. But the 'squares' on the show were the cops. The show itself was too depraved half the time to be square. Dragnet is SQUARE (but i like it).

Added: Thursday 28 June 2012 19:56:28 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

THANK YOU, Virginia!

:!cool: ;)

I like that analogy about the red herrings spoiling the chowder.

Added: Thursday 28 June 2012 16:59:53 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

BRAVA!!! Vrinda, you couldn't have said it any better.

Too many red herrings spoil the chowder (or something like that). Even in Agatha Christie mysteries, which are known for red herrings, one or two were overdone in this way ("Ten Little Indians" a/k/a "And Then There Were None" being a prime example). But, then, Agatha wasn't limited by the 50-minute time slot.

Added: Thursday 28 June 2012 14:01:53 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

I want my five seconds back.

Added: Thursday 28 June 2012 12:46:50 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

I want my three minutes back.

Added: Thursday 28 June 2012 11:08:37 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Marianne,

Thank you for your comments, but as for the old show being "square” and the later-season episodes being as unrealistic as the new ones, that assessment isn’t accurate. The word "square” is used in a negative light, to mean people who are not modernized or following current trends. The original meaning is someone who is traditional, honest, and loyal. It later became a negative term for someone who is stuck in stereotypical or traditional ways of thinking and living.

Going by the first definition, the characters on the original are traditional, honest, and loyal. They could be viewed in the negative definition as well, but it would not work for them to shed traditional, honest, and loyal character traits. They are police officers, and their job is to uphold the law. They don’t look credible if they act as unconventional as the people they are investigating and arresting.

The storylines on the latter seasons are not as good as the earlier ones, but they are far better than what I see on the new show. Seasons 10-12 have a more docile, less urgent tone to them. There isn’t that level of suspense or sinisterness that the earlier seasons had, but the storylines were not as convoluted and full of red herrings as the new show has. The focus was on the crimes and the people who committed them, as well the people against whom the crimes are committed. The main characters – the detectives – where there to solve the cases, and we saw them as people through their jobs. They weren’t just investigating crimes, interrogating suspects, comforting victims. It was through these acts that we saw them as people. There was no need for the personal side stories that the new show employs.

The old show had to be heavy-handed. It was a crime drama and police procedural. Violence and action were there when it was important to the story. They were written in to fit in with turn of events in the storyline, but not for the sake of getting attention or attracting the viewers who are only interested in seeing violence. The action and violence on the new show are there just to get people’s attention and to pad up the storyline. If they want to focus on the action, characters’ personal lives, and their bantering, then the crime-of-the-week storyline and story arcs look like filler and are incidental. They are the harder things to write, though. It is easier to write an action scene where there is shooting or car chasing, juvenile bickering like the arguments between Steve and Danno, and the personal life storylines they do for Danno than it is to write a crime story. In the latter, there are more details to focus on, everything has to fit in, and they have to make sure the actions the detectives go through fit in with real-life legalities, with some allowance for creative license.

Look at the episode Mike described, with James Caan. In every episode, including that one, there was some red herring storyline. There is one person whom they focus on as a suspect, then find out he/she had nothing to do with the murder, and there is evidence to support them, and they dig deeper, and find other people connected to this person, either directly or indirectly, and zero in on one of them, only to find, by accident or luck, that another person whom they never even investigated is the culprit. This happened in numerous episodes, not just one, and it rarely happened on the old show, even in the last three seasons. The last three seasons, despite their decrease in quality, were not written like the new show, and had more of a semblance of realism.

Why McGarrett was portrayed as the grand-daddy of cops is not a negative element. It was normal, at that time, for TV shows to revolve around one character. Many dramas only had one main character or two at the most. Leonard Freeman created the character of Steve McGarrett, and he made it clear to the writers that McGarrett was the main character and everything would revolve around him. That decision was made before they even cast Jack Lord. Even then, it was not McGarrett, or Jack Lord, all the time. There were episodes where the guest stars get more scenes than the main cast, and episodes where the storyline proceeds for fifteen to twenty minutes without Jack showing up. It would be impossible, to have McGarrett or any lead character in every scene. That wouldn’t make the storyline proceed realistically. When the scenes focused on Five-O and the investigations, McGarrett was at the center of the investigation because he was the man in charge. Danno, Chin, Kono, Ben, and Duke got their fair share of attention and work, and played important roles in each episode as well. They weren’t ignored.

Added: Thursday 28 June 2012 09:46:44 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: kailua

Excellent post. Mahalos for sharing your mana'o, Marianne.

Added: Thursday 28 June 2012 00:32:18 MST


Submitted by: Marianne
From: NYC

I have some comments on your posting regarding the writing on the new Five-0. I work in the entertainment industry and am an executive producer/writer for a yet un-aired TV series.

There is a smaller pool of writers in TV these days. This stems from the proliferation of reality TV and writers being marginalized, as well as the incestuous nature of the business itself. Creatives like to work with people they know and not bring in unknown entities. And producers often do double and triple duty on shows as story writers, script writers and editors so they have complete control over the final product. It can get very insulated very quickly which can be detrimental to a show over the long run. Back in the day there were more working writers, less shows in production and no reality crap. It was a bigger pool to pull from for sure. But I'd still bet Leonard Freeman used writers he knew well. They just didn't get producer status.

As for the number of producers...That's an artifact of modern TV for sure. 24 is a prime example. Look at the number of producers in the 1st season...I think there were 4 or 5. By the end of the run it was up in double digits. That has much to do with the show's success and managers, writers, directors and stars all wanting a piece of the action. Giving them producer status is a negotiating point.

The writing on Five-0 has been the most disappointing issue for me. It's terribly inconsistent and has far too much of what we call 'on the nose' or over-explanatory writing, taking the audience through every step of a character's thought process. It treats them as if they are idiots, plus uses up valuable time for actual story. But with TV being so bloody competitive these days writers/producers want to make sure their audiences stay with them at every step, God forbid they start clicking around the dial. They want to reach the broadest swath of viewers, as well. And that includes the dumbasses.

But I do give the H50 writing team a bit of leeway as they are not trying to be an actual procedural show. They are focusing on action and character, not true crime drama. They established this in the first eps so I cut them some slack with their rather unrealistic stories. For me it's a popcorn show. I enjoy the team dynamic and really don't need it to be terribly logical, though I do want there to be at least a kernal of reality so I don't start rolling my eyes too much.

The old show was more heavy-handed, rather square and clearly focused on McG as the grand-daddy copper of them all. I like it for different reasons, but often find the stories just as unrealistic as the reboot. I'm now slogging through S10&11 and wow....the show quality really took a dump. MacArthur and Wedemeyer look bored out of their skulls. Those seasons are the only two which FEEL dated as well. (though I'd guess S12 falls into that category) The earlier seasons are far more watchable and relate-able.

Added: Wednesday 27 June 2012 17:59:18 MST


Submitted by: PAF
From: Phoenix

Yes, the new Dallas has shown us how its done, with bringing a classic show into modern times. Love it, wish I could say the same about the new FiveO but I can't for me Jack Lord will always be Steve McGarrett just like Larry Hagman will always be JR Ewing.

Added: Tuesday 26 June 2012 11:13:01 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: zombie-land

Mr. Mike says>> "The only shows I have watched have been of a serial nature, such as "24," Justified, Breaking Bad, Dexter, and so forth..."

Since you broached the topic of Breaking Bad (and the writing), I'm not all that familiar with exactly who does the writing for ANY of the shows that AMC airs on Sunday nights (Mad Men, Hell on Wheels, BB, The Killing, The Walking Dead), but those people KNOW how to write a damn good story. Those are currently the BEST shows on cable (IMO), and if you're not watching any of them, you're missing out. If 5-0 could only hire just ONE of their writers..... :!thinking:

Added: Monday 25 June 2012 14:45:30 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

mike, check out LONGMIRE on A&E sunday nites at 10--a great great show. kinda reminds me old 5-0. robert taylor terrific as the lead sheriff longmire. he doesn't carry a cellphone. he's oldschool!

Added: Sunday 24 June 2012 14:17:53 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I recently watched the James Caan and Ed Asner shows again.

I almost knocked the Caan show down in my star ratings, because the plot totally deteriorates near the end. It was saved only by JC's very funny performance (and note the in-joke when he said he was the GODFATHER of Dennis Miller's daughter). There is some guy who works for a farm and had experience working with demolitions in the past who is suspected of bombing Miller at the beginning of the show, and there is a woman involved with "sweetheart scams" on the mainland, who is connected with this guy, both of whom were making trouble with Miller's organization for dysfunctional youth. Yet, this woman supposedly lured the security guard from the marina away so that the boyfriend of Miller's daughter, who was working on this scam in cahoots with her, could plant the bomb on the boat at night time? (I think.)

Do you realize how ridiculous this all sounds when you actually write it out? Don't they have story editors on Five-0 to check things to make sure that the story details make sense and are comprehensible to the average viewer?

The Asner show has similar issues with the brother of the imprisoned Jason Scott Lee being the one who steals the diamonds (this whole scheme seemingly orchestrated by JSL from his prison cell where he has a smuggled cel phone) when the evidence van containing the diamonds which were taken from McGarrett's courier sister is on the way to or from HPD (I think), and is diverted to Five-0 who need the diamonds which they are going to fly to New York with the sister using the Governor's jet to beat the commercial jet (nothing comes of this idea). But, as Fryer says, the bad guys stole the semi truck used to ram the HPD evidence truck THE NIGHT BEFORE, so in order to pull off this robbery, how would JSL's brother and his associates, if any, have known this exact sequence of events (which is very complicated) that put the evidence van in a certain place at a certain time so it could be rammed?

The big problem with this show (meaning the new Five-0) is THE WRITING, no doubt about it. And I think part of the problem is that the writers are far too often connected with the show in various executive producer or similar capacities (of which there are far too many). There seems to be a nepotistic (in the sense of friends, not family) kind of connection between the writing staff and the production staff. I don't think the old show had as much of this, though Freeman himself was connected with a few episodes in terms of story idea or whatever (see below).

I admit I am no expert on this in terms of recent TV shows, because I have watched very few shows on a regular basis to make this kind of comparison. The only shows I have watched have been of a serial nature, such as "24," Justified, Breaking Bad, Dexter, and so forth and I really wasn't paying that much attention to the relationship between the production staff, since I never thought any of these shows' writing was THAT bad (though "24" did get pretty crappy in its final years).

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Pursuant to writing the above, I did an anal-ysis of season one. I don't know if there is any significance to all of this.

This is for season one only.

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/hdirect-writ.htm

Original show - Freeman wrote 4 stories, directed one

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/h-2010-direct-writ.htm

New show - Lenkov had story ideas for 6 episodes, wrote or co-wrote 6 of them (connected with 11 in total).

If you look at the people Lenkov had as writers other than himself (see the credits on the anal-ysis pages for the individual seasons), a LOT of these people are connected with the show in some production capacity. I don't think you will find this with the old show.

Added: Sunday 24 June 2012 10:09:54 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I was watching the Russian consulate episode again yesterday, and wondered which was the best stunt seen during the second season. Here are my nominees:

#3 - Navy SEAL goes nuts - McGarrett freefalls to catch a guy whose parachute has been cut

#7 - Hallowe'en show - Stuntman playing the bad guy is set on fire at the end of the show

#16 - Russian consulate episode - McGarrett and bad guy hit by car, thrown up in air

#18 - Ed Asner show - Semi-trailer cab runs into HPD evidence van in a scene reminiscent of the film "Heat"

#21 - NCIS show (Five-0 part) - Escaping truck just about wipes out camera

Added: Saturday 23 June 2012 14:22:21 MST


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

I love the new DALLAS - great to see Cliff Barnes back the other night with JR and Bobby - I also agree that the new FIVE-0 should have been done like the new DALLAS...oh well...:)

Added: Saturday 23 June 2012 10:47:15 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I just uncovered some material in the C/H/Q blog which has gone hidden due to a technical issue for months. Scroll down to the section entitled "I Have A problem" and continue reading from there...

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/chqblog.htm

Added: Saturday 23 June 2012 09:20:18 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

About the red herring episodes:

"Pray Love Remember, Pray Love Rememeber." Steve arrests that big blonde-haired man for killing his girfriend, based on the fact that he was left-handed and the girl was beaten by someone who was left-handed. Later, they find out the killer was that man who was hired to steal the expensive goldfish. I don't know if that blonde-haired man would count as a red herring, though, since there was forensic evidence that made him a suspect, he could not account for his whereabouts at the time the crime was committed, people saw him argue with the girl, and he had motive. It is an example of Five-O arresting the wrong suspect, though.

Added: Saturday 23 June 2012 07:39:49 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Some guy sent me a picture of his car with its Five-O themed license plate. And it is a Camaro to boot!

Added: Saturday 23 June 2012 07:31:28 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Season two bloopers:

http://thefive0s.posterous.com/hawaii-five-0-season-2-bloopers-h50-omfg-hila

I wonder if the people who made this got permission from Hookahman (yes, that is their actual name), the Canadian band who recorded "the worst version of the classic Five-O theme song" (which you can hear via the music section on the main page -- http://www.mjq.net/fiveo).

Mr. Mike comments: I checked with the band ... they did!

Added: Friday 22 June 2012 22:44:05 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The new Five-0 quite frequently (far too frequently, in my opinion) has the team going after someone who they later find has little or no connection to the crime at hand, but is just a red herring. How many of the old Five-O shows fit into this category? A prime example of where the old show was totally wrong about a suspect was the eleventh season's A Very Personal Matter, where McGarrett, totally blinded by friendship to his old military buddy whose son was prescribed quaaludes, goes after his doctor with a vengeance. But this is not exactly a parallel situation, since the audience can see all along that McGarrett is full of it.

Added: Friday 22 June 2012 20:37:04 MST


Submitted by: mr Hiram
From: NYC

yep, TNT did well with DALLAS. good to see ol' JR the same mean SOB , and those eyebrows! EVIL! :!devil: and that chuckle--oh my! love the old cast back , want more lucy ewing! and hope victoria principal comes back. the new cast is very good too! jordana brewster is hot!

mike, did FIVE -O and DALLAS play on the same nite ?

Added: Friday 22 June 2012 13:31:53 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Persimmonville then Huckleberry Farms

"a version of the Huckleberry colloquialism was popularized in TOMBSTONE" one of my favorite films and scenes. I take that to mean the obvious; "I'm the man for the job" Val was great in this. ya see him now? virtually unrecognizeable.

Added: Friday 22 June 2012 13:14:11 MST


Submitted by: Carl Davis
From: Owensboro, KY

Have you seen what TNT has done with the Dallas reboot? Oh, if only CBS had made the new H50 in that manner. Just think of all the possibilities: All the characters could have been descendents of the originals, Jack Lords’ Steve could have been killed, His mother, thought dead, could have come back just as she did, Danno Junior could have moved away and then come back, all the actors still alive from the original series could come back just as Ed Asner did (now that was great!)and I could go on and on, but No, the writers decided to mess up the whole thing. TNT did it right with Dallas and it turned out terrific. I’m not saying I don’t like the new H50, it’s just that it could have been so much better. There have been some wonderful moments and the scenery is gorgeous, especially in HiDef. Of course, this is just my opinion and I’m sticking to it. Thanks. Carl

Added: Friday 22 June 2012 09:10:10 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

"That scene with that okie at the recruiting office was totally inappropriate, unrealistic and that buggah woulda gotten his face bashed in then and there. never woulda happened li'dat. at all." ...inappropriate? ...sure ...unrealistic? ...not so sure, but it was disturbing and that was the point. I don't know where you were when the Viet Nam war ended but I knew guys who weren't too far off from that (except for the serial killer part).

Yes - a version of the Huckleberry colloquialism was popularized in TOMBSTONE and more recently Kevin Cosnter repeated the Huckleberry over Persimmon line in HATFIELDS AND McCOYS almost verbatim, just as it had been some forty years earlier on FIVE-O.

Added: Friday 22 June 2012 07:13:07 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: way down south... 'Oahu.

"I think also that the "huckleberry over persimmon" crack of Ralston's was a Southern way of saying "you really think you're all that, don't you?"" Is this thing popular on the mainland? Sounds reaaaalll haole.

Added: Friday 22 June 2012 01:16:28 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Re: Ringfire's comments re: shift in tone starting with Season 4 - - Well said! I had not looked at it like that, but you are spot on. I've saved your comment in my scrapbook, so I don't forget it.

Added: Wednesday 20 June 2012 11:23:51 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

It seems the writers on the new show are havin trouble coming up with a new storyline to get viewers, so they resort to this "now we have Wo Fat, now we don't" story arc. At least in the old show, Wo Fat only showed up for one or two episodes per season and, even then, he and McGarrett were rarely in the same room or vicinity, so it's not as though Steve had Wo Fat within arms' reach, and lost him. The closest was in The Jinn Who Clears the Way. Steve caught Wo Fat, but Jonathan Kaye planned to trade Wo Fat in for a captured American pilot, with Steve cursing him all the way. The rest of the time, either Steve didn't know Wo Fat was around (A Bullet for McGarrett), they were not in the same country (The 90-Second War, or Wo Fat was in Hawaii, but had some plan going which required Steve to attend it first, rather than focus on catching him.

In the new show, Wo Fat comes and goes so much, and right in Steve's face, yet he gets away every time. They're only up the to the third season, yet it's getting reduntant.

Added: Wednesday 20 June 2012 11:00:18 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Grace Park's Home Town

[Via H50undercover.com]

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Mega-Buzz-Hawaii-Five-Once-CSI-Spoilers-1049003.aspx)

I know everyone is excited aboutMcGarrett's mom on Hawaii Five-0, but what about Kono!? She was drowning!? Kim

ADAM: Relax, Kim. Kono's not going to become a floater. Once she's back on dry land, she and the rest of Five-0 will go hard after Wo Fat and Delano. But the near-death experience will change Kono: During an interrogation, look for her to use some of the more, ahem, physical tactics usually employed by McGarrett to extract information.

===

Puhleeze ... Wo Fat is on the loose again? Does Halawa have a revolving door or something? As I said previously, people who work there must be annoyed at how slipshod the administration of the place is portrayed on the show.

Added: Wednesday 20 June 2012 08:42:56 MST


Submitted by: Ben Masters
From: Fountain Inn, SC

Another one of my favorites, from the Marine recruiter: "The computer spit you out, buddy: they say you're Thomas Robert Ralston, recently discharged from the United States Army."

Another: "I don't know what the Army medics found wrong with you, but the Marine Corps doesn't need used meat with a phony name."

I think also that the "huckleberry over persimmon" crack of Ralston's was a Southern way of saying "you really think you're all that, don't you?"

But the sendoff from the recruiter was top-flight: "Try the Foreign Legion: they don't ask questions."

Based on one response that said that Lynville, FL was likely made up for the show: they must have painted the welcome sign and Florida route marker to make it look convincing, because it surely did to me. WRT that, I think personally that Mike Quigley should update the "R&R&R" entry in his comments on #4 to reflect that Lynville, FL is a fictional town made up for the show.

I especially liked the scene in which that Army messenger brought the news of the death of Lt. Carter to his (Carter's) mother-in-law, and how Mrs. Carter's mother reacted upon finding out about that death.

But one of the truly best lines was from McGarrett, WRT the discharge of an obviously crazy Ralston on a Sec. 8: "An error in judgment?! I'd say you were more interested in keeping your sharp outfit looking sharp. The guy needed a head doctor and you give him a transfer, and you pass that off as an error in judgment?!"

Added: Wednesday 20 June 2012 02:46:29 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: lanikai

"Ralston to Marine recruiter: "You really think you're Huckleberry over Persimmon don't you"" That is so damned haole i hadda look it up. Thus: The Huckleberry is the state fruit of Idaho. Huckleberries hold a place in archaic English slang. The tiny size of the berries led to their frequent use as a way of referring to something small, often in an affectionate way. The phrase "a huckleberry over my persimmon" was used to mean "a bit beyond my abilities". "I'm your huckleberry" is a way of saying that one is just the right person for a given job, which was used by the character Doc Holiday in "TombStone"

That scene with that okie at the recruiting office was totally inappropriate, unrealistic and that buggah woulda gotten his face bashed in then and there. never woulda happened li'dat. at all.
Of course it was all filmed in on 'Oahu. No reason to go off island. especially fly to Florida?

Added: Wednesday 20 June 2012 00:20:39 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

"That town of Lynville, FL in "R&R&R," the last episode of #4 in 1972-- is it a real place, or was it just made up for the show?" ...no such place that I know of, but it's a big state.

An excellent episode and also one of the most violent - right up there with NIGHTMARE IN BLUE.

With some great dialog...

Danno to airport employee: "Can you describe his face?"
Airport employee: "Yes, very haole"

Ralston to Marine recruiter: "You really think you're Huckleberry over Persimmon don't you"

Very powerful scene outside the marine recruiting office when "Tommy Bob" Ralston goes off, ranting like a lunatic about his DSC - a very, very, powerful scene.

And the classic...

An agitated Captain Nichols to McGarrett: "When you and Victor Charlie are out in the boonies every night trying to kill each other we all get pretty weird!"

Added: Tuesday 19 June 2012 19:25:06 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I've been rewatching season 4 and it's easy to notice the shift in tone from the previous 3 seasons. This one is more edgy and seedy. Episodes dealing with rape, impotence, transgender, hookers, homosexuality are all there on display. In the previous seasons these things would be glossed over very quickly or hardly touched on. For example you heard "criminally assaulted" in season 2. By season 4 it was "sexually assaulted".

An episode like "Two Doves and Mr. Heron" in the previous seasons would be just about a hippie stealing money from an embezzler. Here in season 4 the embezzler is a homosexual who gropes and tries to offer his services to the hippie. You would have never had that in the previous seasons. It all gets racy with season 4. Again, ALL IN THE FAMILY (which debuted in the spring of 1971) was the show that broke the TV codes. And everything on TV changed after that - Five-0 included. It's interesting watching how TV changed through the years. Not always for the better. But those first 6 seasons of Five-0 were pure gold!!

Added: Tuesday 19 June 2012 18:49:37 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Googling Lynville, FL brings up no results, at all. The plants look very Hawaiian, which may or may not mean anything, since tropical plants grow in Florida, too. The architectural style of the house is southern colonial, but there are some houses with traditional architectural styles in the Nu'uanu Pali and Manoa neighborhoods. My guess is that it was filmed in Honolulu.

Added: Tuesday 19 June 2012 18:47:17 MST


Submitted by: Ben Masters
From: Fountain Inn, SC

That town of Lynville, FL in "R&R&R," the last episode of #4 in 1972-- is it a real place, or was it just made up for the show?

The reason I ask is because "R&R&R" is one of my most favorites, and one that I've seen quite a few times.

Added: Tuesday 19 June 2012 15:52:10 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

I've got Seasons 1-10, and will get 11 and 12 later. I don't regret paying the higher prices for the earlier seasons when I bought them. Some of the money goes to Jack's charity, and the show is worth every penny. I wouldn't accept the DVD's of the new show if they gave them to me for free, and that did happen.

Added: Tuesday 19 June 2012 13:26:32 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I own seasons 1-8. Still waiting for S9 to drop to around $19.99 or lower. I keep waiting but it keeps selling for about $32.99 or $34.99. I keep telling myself... one of these days it'll drop to $15.99 or something like that. Anyway I'm in no hurry. They're streaming on Netflix and I'm currently rewatching the earlier seasons on my DVDs. Plus season 9 is the last season I'm planning to get so there's no rush. Seasons 10-12 I'll probably watch via Netflix at some point. It's been at least 10 years since I've seen the later seasons.

Added: Monday 18 June 2012 15:35:25 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Amazon is selling some of the early seasons for totally insane prices:

Season 1 - $9.99 (this is a 7-DVD set)
Season 2 - $11.39
Season 3 - $11.49
Season 4 - $10.92
Season 5 - $19.94
Season 6 - $19.94
Season 7 - $20.49
Season 8 - $19.94
Season 9 - $28.49
Season 10 - $25.71
Season 11 - $26.99
Season 12 - $26.49

You can order these DVDs by clicking on the covers on this page:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/fiveo-stuff.htm

Added: Monday 18 June 2012 15:18:20 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Interesting item on Ebay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jack-Lord-Original-Lithograph-/290730179900?pt=Art_Prints&hash=item43b0de7d3c

Added: Monday 18 June 2012 15:11:18 MST


Submitted by: otto
From: nyc

Thanks Kimo,
I'm happy that my boy started watching Five-O without my urging. He'd begun wondering why i have seven big-ass box sets of this show, and became curious on his own. He loves it. Thanks for the shout.

Added: Sunday 17 June 2012 19:21:57 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Honolulu's best dive bars.

Happy Father's Day to Otto. The only father I know of for sure on this site.
Or as we say here in Hawai'i:
Hau`oli La Makuakane!

Added: Sunday 17 June 2012 13:55:20 MST


Submitted by: kim
From: US

Bill,
I don't think the sound is THAT loud. Most of the shows these days are that way.
We don't understand most of what Alex O.Loughlin says but I believe it is because of his "health issues". Remember Ozzy Osbourne or Charlie Sheen talking? mumble-mmmmbblee-rrummmble.
Subst. abuse messes up with the brains wiring and speaking comes from there.
But Charlie played a drunk so it was kind of fun to watch. With McGarrett is not that fun, he is a cop, so it is pathetic . I really hope CBS keeps this "issue" under control during next season.

Added: Sunday 17 June 2012 12:55:11 MST


Submitted by: Otto
From: NYC

Happy Father's Day to Chin Ho Kelly, the only father on the Five-O team.

Added: Sunday 17 June 2012 11:23:59 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

Happy Father's Day to all you wonderful fathers who come to this site. Have a great one!

Added: Sunday 17 June 2012 09:11:17 MST


Submitted by: bill jenkins
From: gulf shores, alabama

Love the show and the characters but the loud music is so distracting we cannot hear the dialog.

Please listen to it.

Thank you

Added: Saturday 16 June 2012 18:24:30 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Re: "...it's a bit unfair to compare the two shows because they're basically apples and oranges. One is a hard-nosed cop show and the other is a breezy PI show where the hero has a penchant for con games."

I agree. "Magnum PI" was essentially "Jim Rockford Goes to Hawai'i." Interesting, but of no intrinsic value. Conversely, H50 was a morality tale, whether the lesson was "crime doesn't pay" or "guns are dangerous."

Added: Friday 15 June 2012 10:00:28 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I think THE ROCKFORD FILES was a very good show - at least during its first 3 seasons. A lot of it had to do with the snappy writing and great acting by the cast. Especially by James Garner. The funny thing is that the show really began winning those Emmy awards after the 3rd season which for me is when the show began its decline. I just didn't care for the stories all that much after the 3rd season. The first season is still my favorite.

But yeah, FIVE-0 is in a class all by itself! Although it's a bit unfair to compare the two shows because they're basically apples and oranges. One is a hard-nosed cop show and the other is a breezy PI show where the hero has a penchant for con games.

Added: Friday 15 June 2012 08:44:04 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

For the fall 1975 season, NBC only had three shows in the top 30 of the Nielsen ratings, and all three were on Friday nights where Five-O also aired.

Leading off the night were Sanford & Son and Chico & The Man, followed by Rockford and Police Woman. That was a very formidable lineup to say the least. And following up on Ringfire's point, Rockford and Police Woman were both at their peak quality wise, with both having premiered with great first seasons in 1974. Still, Five-O's lead-in was M*A*S*H, which beat Chico in the ratings that year. It appears that Five-O and Rockford basically just cut into each's audience with both being crime shows.

Ringfire also hit on one other point about Rockford that I wanted to touch on. To me, that was one of the most overrated series in the history of television. I can see why critics kept rewarding it at the Emmys because of things like Rockford's sense of humor, his relationship with his dad, and colorful sidekicks like Angel. Critics have always ate things like this up, but these elements do not necessarily make for a suspenseful crime series with a real sense of danger in the stories. Seriously, can anyone imagine Jim Rockford tangling with some of Five-O's nastiest villains? Honestly, I believe Barnaby Jones or Cannon could do it better and more realistically than Rockford.

Added: Thursday 14 June 2012 19:28:55 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Interesting article, Rick. Thanks! It also explains why Five-0 fell out of the top 30 in its 8th season. Apparently it was being beaten by THE ROCKFORD FILES after being moved to Friday nights. Which I find strange because ROCKFORD didn't make the top 30 either. In fact outside of its first season ROCKFORD never made the top 30 during its remaining seasons. Very odd for a show that regularly won Emmy awards and was highly praised for its scripts and acting.

Added: Thursday 14 June 2012 10:59:16 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

"The series stumbled along in 45th place in the Nielsen ratings during the early part of the 1968-69 season. It was pre-empted four times in its first nine weeks, killing any chance it had to attract an audience. It was considered very likely to be canceled."

From: Providence Sunday Journal / September 7, 1969

By: JACK MAJOR

Link: bit.ly/MDcgw8

Added: Thursday 14 June 2012 10:13:58 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The script for To Hell With Babe Ruth is not that bad, it's the acting that is hideous. As mentioned in my anal-ysis of this show -- http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/5-0log2.htm#25 -- there was an episode of Hawaiian Eye which was broadcast almost exactly 10 years before with a similar subject that had a Japanese actor as the main character which was much better. I had an interesting exchange with James MacArthur over Babe Ruth when I met for lunch with him and Jerry Pickard many years ago. He thought that I didn't like the Caucasian actors Mark Lenard and Will Kuluva because their playing the parts was not politically correct, which was not the case -- my objection was that they played the parts so badly. JM actually used the "F" word, saying "f***ing political correctness" or words to that effect!

Added: Wednesday 13 June 2012 12:47:27 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

The ending foot chase scene from S1's "Not That Much Different" across that terrain looks very similar to the cliffs at Papakolea Beach :!thinking: if I am thinking of the correct ep. Isn't that the scene where McG shoots Manny in the shoulder and he tells McG that he would rather "rule in hell than serve in heaven..."

Added: Wednesday 13 June 2012 11:38:34 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Here is an interview with Anthony Lawrence who penned a few Five-0 scripts (including the subpar "To Hell With Babe Ruth"). There is a brief segment on his "To Kill or Be Killed" script (towards the bottom of the interview) which was extremely controversial at the time and the networks didn't want to go through with it. But Lenny Freeman pressed on. After the episode aired Jack Lord called Lawrence to tell him that as he was jogging on the beach someone called him a "Commie".

[The link for this interview is http://www.classictvhistory.com/OralHistories/anthony_lawrence.html - MQ]

Added: Wednesday 13 June 2012 10:50:02 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Yeah, Papakolea Beach is on the Big Island. I'm pretty sure the cliff scenes in "Up Tight" came from the Makapuu area. Sandy Beach, the Blowhole, somewhere over there.

Oh and yeah... stretching out the Five-0 picture on a widescreen TV is UUUUUGLY!!!! There is a reason it was filmed in 4:3 aspect ratio. That's the *ONLY* way to watch it.

Added: Wednesday 13 June 2012 09:20:05 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Kimo, that's why I went to the source. Mahalo.

Added: Wednesday 13 June 2012 03:05:04 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

No matter what newbies here tellya. They wrong (we're starting to hear "bro" cuz o' them too much here. Don't make it right 'tho.) No matter what guide books tellya. No matter what maps tellya. They are not local accurate. they's written by haoles and mainlanders, not kama'aina, nor is there any interest in consulting locals to get it right. (Kinda like da new H50 show.)
To locals, windward side is waimanalo to about kaneohe or a little beyond. Then above that would be what we call nort' shore. Which is all encompassing. Again. like most all Hawaiian words, (pidgin is included) many meanings according to context. "I going nort shore. wheah? ah... foodland li'dat. Oh Pupukea. yah, deah.
ya know, H50F, li'dat. dat kine, yeah? k den.

Added: Tuesday 12 June 2012 20:22:53 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Re: "Papakolea Beach - used in many 5-0 shows i am sure -
wasn't that area used in UP TIGHT?"

No. Up Tight was filmed in the area near the Halona Blowhole in southeastern O'ahu.

A question for Kimo: Does "windward" include the entire eastern side of O'ahu or just the part from Kane'ohe north, where the terrain is lush and green?

Added: Tuesday 12 June 2012 18:11:59 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

Papakolea Beach is very remote - on the big island down by South Point. The scenes from UPTIGHT and others were filmed locally, on Oahu at Wawamalua Beach Park near Halona Blowhole.

Added: Tuesday 12 June 2012 17:39:22 MST


Submitted by: otto
From: nyc

When you watch the FIVE on your big wide flat-screens, do you let the picture stretch to wide screen, or do you set it to 3:4 ratio? I try to tell my kid that 3:4 is proper, but he prefers the stretch. Kids these days!

Added: Tuesday 12 June 2012 13:41:35 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

thought i send this

Papakolea Beach
http://travel.yahoo.com/ideas/world-s-strangest-beaches.html

used in many 5-0 shows i am sure
wasn't that area used in UP TIGHT?

Added: Tuesday 12 June 2012 13:30:30 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2012/06/modern-family-and-fringe-lead-dvr-ratings-for-2011-12.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Note that this does not include the 18-49 demographic, though.

There is a simple reason for this: no one can understand the show given the fast pace of dialogue and also the fact that the dialogue is usually drowned out most of the time by the music and sound effects. So people are rewatching it to figure out what the actors said.

Added: Tuesday 12 June 2012 11:18:25 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

Talk about crossovers, Cady played Sam Drucker on Petticoat Junction, Green Acres and Beverly Hillbillies. If Rick fires up that super-duper database, he may even find where Drucker made a guest appearance on the FIVE (not as some judge, but actually as Drucker). ;) I can just see him now appearing in the ep with Buddy Ebsen as the Prof.

Added: Tuesday 12 June 2012 09:17:50 MST


Submitted by: sam
From: london

you know in season 2 when LL cool j and Chris O'Donnell come to Hawaii for that small pox episode and it says to be continued on ncis los angeles. which season and episode is it continued on?

Added: Tuesday 12 June 2012 08:31:57 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Honolulu's best dive bars.

Wow. rokkin detective work Rick. good on ya! taaanx!
""Frank Cady Dies" is trending... Does that seem strange"
"trending" will always be strange to me.

Added: Monday 11 June 2012 23:11:18 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

I finally had some time to get into the Five-O Lab... here's your choices Mike:

NINE, TEN - YOU'RE DEAD Nobody gets shot. Bad guys being tailed by Kono ditch car at a red light. Kono gets stuck behind a line of cars, runs up front to find empty car.

THE DOUBLE WALL Guy gets shot at a red light leaving a line of cars behind him. Nobody is following him. Kono's not in the scene. Random guy gets out of his car to find the dead guy.

BTW, "Frank Cady Dies" is trending number one tonight on Yahoo search. Does that seem strange to anyone?

Added: Monday 11 June 2012 20:40:02 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Happy Kamehameha Day, everyone!
It's also my husband's birthday!
A grand day for celebrating all around.

Added: Monday 11 June 2012 20:07:03 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: da Statue at Ali'iolani hale

Happy King Kamehameha day. As this is a web site on a Hawai'i based show, important to pay obeisance towards Hawai'i's most beloved historic personage.

Added: Monday 11 June 2012 15:54:52 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

The answer to Mr. Mike's question I believe is "The Double Wall". I don't think there is a murder that happens in the traffic hold-up in "Nine, Ten, You're Dead". Or maybe I'm mistaken and it's time for a rewatch.

Also I watched the S4 classic a few days ago - "No Bottles, No Cans, No People". Always loved that one. Gritty, compelling, excellent writing, fine acting. Henry Darrow is as oily as they come as Johnny Oporta! And I really dig the ferocious rumble between Ron Feinberg and McG at the incinerator. Combined with Michael O'Herlihy's superb use of tilted camera angles it's superb! Really adds a whole new level of tension to the scene.

Added: Monday 11 June 2012 09:18:51 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

I'm sad to read about Frank Cady's passing. He was so funny on "Green Acres." RIP, Mr. Cady.

Added: Monday 11 June 2012 08:05:54 MST


Submitted by: RRM
From: Seal Beach, California

Frank Cady, the judge in Mother's Deadly Helper, and known more for his character of Sam Drucker on Green Acres, died on June 10, 2012, at the age of 96. He was one of the great character actors who appeared on Hawaii Five-0.

Added: Sunday 10 June 2012 17:37:51 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Mike,

I believe that is season three's "The Double Wall" with the husband of Joan Van Ark being killed as he is on his way to talk to the crooked lawyer who had put a guy in prsion falsly for killing his business partner. I just watched it a few weeks back. Terrific show.

If not that one, than it must be season three's "Beautiful Screamer."

Question for all. I just watched "F.O.B. Honolulu" last week, and I need theories on what the significance is of the spider web with the big spider on it at the end of teh show is for? Is that for Wo Fat getting away from McG once again even though Wo has been seriously wounded?

Added: Sunday 10 June 2012 10:36:00 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

NINE, TEN - YOU'RE DEAD ...Kono is tailing Albert Paulsen's character who picks up his "soldier" who picks up the tail. While stopped at a red light the soldier (off camera) kills a guy in the car behind them - light turns green and they drive off leaving Kono behind a line of stopped cars.

Added: Sunday 10 June 2012 09:00:57 MST


Submitted by: Mr. MIke
From: Vancouver

Which episode is this?

Kono is tailing some guy, he is about 3-4 cars behind him, and the guy stops at a street corner where there is a signal. Someone else, perhaps in a car beside him, shoots the pursued guy dead and when the light changes to green, people behind him are annoyed. Zulu gets out of his car and goes forward to find the guy is dead.

The only reason I remember this show is because it's one of the few where something happened when I was recording it and either the tape got screwed up or the station went off the air due to technical issues. It took me several months before I could tape the missing segment and reconstruct the show!

Added: Sunday 10 June 2012 08:17:15 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: hea. deah.

Jason Momoa would be fanTAStic. he could carry the show and would be fabulous for his career, unless he prefers theatrical release fare.

Added: Saturday 09 June 2012 18:15:12 MST


Submitted by: Gina
From: Costa Mesa

I love love cop shows. I am a CBS junkie. But I don't watch old stuff, sorry. I know the Original was very popular and people worldwide still love it, but I prefer today shows. Friends is even getting old for me.
I love all CBS procedurals , mentalist, CSI, NCIS, C. Minds. But Hawaii is just not as good as the others and frankly for us the lack of a good actor as the lead man just kills the show for us.
I never watched the original.

Added: Saturday 09 June 2012 17:12:57 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Gina,

Are you not a fan of the original because you don't watch shows from that time in general, you don't like cops shows from that time, you never saw that many episodes of the original to develop ad opinon on it, don't remember them well enough, or you think it's boring?

Added: Saturday 09 June 2012 16:48:12 MST


Submitted by: Gina
From: Costa Mesa

I am not familiar with Hawaiian actors , but I am sure there are a few of them around. It just doesn't make sense that any of the main 4 is Hawaiian. I love DDKim from Lost, but he is Korean, same as Grace P. I don't know how big the Korean population is in Hawaii. Scott is the perfect Danno . So that leaves Alex O. that I believe is the weakest in the whole group .I would had gone for a Hawaiian actor there. I know Jason Momoa that is part Hawaiian and that was excellent on Game of Thrones. I think they did a mistake with McGarrett. And it's difficult to understand him when he talks. And that is very annoying.

Added: Saturday 09 June 2012 16:36:23 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

For those who might be interested, here are links to a couple videos shot at the home used for McGarrett's house. These were shot on September 11, 2011 during a special Hawaii Five-0 tour that was put together for a group of fans the day after the Season 2 premiere at Sunset on the Beach 2011. These were posted on YouTube by someone else. But I might be able to find some video that I shot that shows more of the interior if anyone is interested.

http://bit.ly/KjRiIs - This is the interior. Most of this footage was shot in the front living room. It moves into the dining room (where the dog is lying on the floor). McGarrett's dad's desk replaces the table with white cloth next to the dog. Obviously most of the furniture they use is different. They have since built the interior of the house on a studio set. But they still come back to shoot some scenes of the exterior. (By the way, that is me at about the 1:38 mark in the dark top and white skirt).

http://bit.ly/LIECq4 - Back exterior of the house. This is where Steve and Catherine had their BBQ and also the back beach area where Steve had to fight and shoot his navy buddy. You can also see the Adirondack chairs and other patio furniture where Steve and Danno had beers in the pilot episode.

Added: Saturday 09 June 2012 15:33:41 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: home in da islands

Dennis Chun is probably Chinese/ Podagee. His mother was Gladys Lindo. That is podagee name.

Added: Saturday 09 June 2012 15:26:15 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

Maybe. But the query is Hawaiian actor. Chun is Chinese. I do not believe he has Hawaiian koko. I could be wrong. Have been before, will be again.

Added: Saturday 09 June 2012 13:38:36 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Re: "CBS should had cast a Hawaiian actor as a lead man. That would had made this show work better." - - - That's an idea I like. Could Dennis Chun have carried it?

Added: Saturday 09 June 2012 13:02:06 MST


Submitted by: Gina
From: Costa Mesa

Hi,
I was never a fan of the Original. I am 33 now. But we love all CBS procedurals except Hawaii 50. We dvr it and we just watch it when nothing else is on.
I find the plot OK. Just that. I think the new CBS show Person of Interest is better written .
My biggest problem is the cast. I think this show lacks a real leader. Alex O is not a great actor. You can tell he is trying so hard to look tough but all he gets are those weird wooden faces. My husband says he looks constipated. LOL. DD Kim and Scott C. are way better and we enjoyed the episodes without Alex a lot. CBS should had cast a Hawaiian actor as a lead man. That would had made this show work better.

Added: Saturday 09 June 2012 11:35:32 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

oh yeah, WONDER WOMAN for NBC a year or 2 back , pilot was done, test screenings were terrible and now on the shelf never to see the light of day !

Added: Friday 08 June 2012 14:37:50 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

i agree Vrinda. Lord was the man! pointing that gun at reni santoni and you see the ANGER.

there was a reboot of KOLCHAK? i didn't know.

i remember the syndicated version of DRAGNET that was seen on ch 9 years back before ch 9 was UPN then MY9. and there was the ADAM 12 reboot

there was talk of a MCCLOUD remake with brett butler but that crashed. and wasn't there a new ROCKFORD FILES w/ dermot mulroney done? that too must be in the crapper.

to paul williams news since he appeared in STRINGER. there is a new documentary about his life named PAUL WILLIAMS: STILL ALIVE , it is playing in NY's Angelika Theater

wonder if his scenes in STRINGER are in the film? didn't know he appeared in POLICE WOMAN. critics are not too kind of the film since they complain that director Stephen Kessler puts himself in more scenes obsessing in finding his idol. and Stephen keeps pushing and pushing. i did see a scene where paul now is forced by the director to watch himself guest hosting the merv griffin show while high on coke . paul gets up and storms away.

still interested to see the film. maybe another guy shoulda taken the helm. dunno. glad paul is doing well and is sober. check to see if the film is playing in your town.

Added: Friday 08 June 2012 13:34:39 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

That's a nice article about Charlie MacA. Do wish he'd find a nicer way to refer to his father than "an old Hawaiian guy." :D (just teasing)

Added: Thursday 07 June 2012 19:58:56 MST


Submitted by: Hoosiergirl
From: NapTown

Another article on a son of a famous Five-O alum...James MacArthur's son, Charlie who is a rather legendary kayak/ski/SUP instructor in Colorado.

Click here

And to Big H...Not really stirred up over God's Little Acre. Just wanted everyone to be forewarned before investing two hours they will never get back. :D

Added: Thursday 07 June 2012 18:25:54 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Add to that list:

THE FUGTITIVE
KOJAK
DRAGNET
KOLCHAK: THE NIGHTSTALKER

The new Five-O is still on because CBS signed that syndication deal with TNT to rerun it starting in 2014, so they have to keep it on long enough to get enough episodes to syndicate. They signed this syndication deal sometime in the first half of Season 1, which sounds a little too early to be talking about such things.

Nice take on that last line from "A Death in the Family," Mr. Hiram, but I can't picture Alex delivering that line with the same sinister and ruthless demeanor Jack had when he said it.

Added: Thursday 07 June 2012 17:21:38 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

THE BIONIC WOMAN
CHARLIE'S ANGELS
KNIGHT RIDER
Reboots that did not work

FIVE O doing well and hope for a strong 3rd season and less carguments (Merriam Webster are you reading for this new word?)

if kono is gone, perhaps McG like in the old DEATH IN FAMILY should give the killer(s) a beating and say

"look right down that barrel! how does it look huh?! how does it feel?!? danno hold it a minute, i wanna book this one ! i think kono would have like that!"

Added: Thursday 07 June 2012 14:52:09 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

Regardless if how many "ding-dongs" belong to it, as I read the lines from Ariel's song that Ringfire provided, I can't help but think of Kono as she's dumped unceremoniously into the drink. But then again, Navy seals are trained to tread water for hours bound like that, and Kono IS an excellent swimmer due to her surfing skills.

Added: Thursday 07 June 2012 13:36:49 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The two versions of this poem are in my anal-ysis of episode #1:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/5-0log1.htm#1

Added: Thursday 07 June 2012 10:29:02 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Very good, Ringfire, but you have one ding-dong too many. LOL

Added: Thursday 07 June 2012 09:41:18 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Full fathom five the widow lies;
Of her bones are coral made;
Those are pearls that were her eyes;
Nothing of her that doth fade,
But doth suffer a sea-change
Into something rich and strange.
Sea-nymphs hourly ring her knell:
Ding-dong.
Hark! now I hear them — Ding-dong, bell.

Added: Thursday 07 June 2012 08:44:29 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Honolulu

Love the munsters... made the munstermobile model kit when it was released back then...

Added: Wednesday 06 June 2012 23:22:33 MST


Submitted by: otto
From: manhattan

I love the Munsters. My kid loves 'em. It was only a matter of time for Herman and Lilly to reappear. I don't mind reboots as long they're good! The Brady Bunch reboot movies were hilarious because they were so perverted and gross.

The posters splattered all over NY for the new Five-O were the end of my interest. I want my boys to wear suit and tie, not look like they're about to go bungie jumping!!!

Added: Wednesday 06 June 2012 14:17:36 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Up over. not down under.

"This sounds familiar NBC is rebooting The Munsters "
yow! familiar in more ways than one! Remember "the Munsters today?" In the 90's? Heres a clip.
http://bit.ly/KEmEJ1
Now we will have two... factions of fans arguing against this sacriledge. wot fun.

Added: Wednesday 06 June 2012 12:28:34 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

Great article on Chun, Hoosiergirl.....thanks for sharing that; Kam was one of my FAVS on the FIVE, and the reboot doesn't show enough of Dennis (IMO). And, I hope I didn't get you too stirred up with the alert on God's Little Acre......(to me), it's just another silly movie. ;)

Added: Wednesday 06 June 2012 10:26:04 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Sad news, folks. Author Ray Bradbury died on Tuesday. He was 91. Not only was Ray a great author of many short stories, novels, plays, and TV scripts, but he was also a friend of Jack's and encouraged him to write. Jack started writing treatments and scripts for TV shows, films, and plays after that. RIP, Mr. Bradbury.

Added: Wednesday 06 June 2012 08:45:51 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: I steh heah. wheah you steh. Barb steh coming. shaka!

Milton does a fanTASTIC job in Trouble in Mind. Another great ep full of shots of all my neighborhoods. some unchanged since then. Remember him doing the lie detector test in that Howard hughes ep. "Now calm down! ok. I'm calm. Wait, not calm. ok calming down, I am calm. calm down now!" hahaaa. Draw me a killer, probably best kid friendly ep. That pawn shop he kills the guy in, I knew well. along with that whole neighborhood. Cut school to hang in all those pool halls, arcades, (mother's deadly helper) and shops laden with legal switchblade knives, wool lined leather Bomber Pilot jackets for a few bucks, binocs, bayonettes, GI knives, bandoleros, ammo belts, original Japan hula wiggler girls for 3 bux that now go for 100 on ebay. Real wacky stretch they draw a caricature of Danno, and the killer FINDS... Danno and taunts him. Ho man. Ah well yea! It IS just a TV show. But it's in my blood. addiction i can't shake. And it is a nostalgic trip that harkens back to da good ol' days, of simpler times, before life and everything became so messed up...

Added: Wednesday 06 June 2012 00:01:14 MST


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: Manhattan

...and KIMO, thanks for the nod to my little guy. (i had to look up the translation of 'akamai')

He had a real kick with "DRAW ME A KILLER". But i can't show him episodes like "NIGHTMARE IN BLUE" ...a little too much!!!

Added: Tuesday 05 June 2012 23:07:09 MST


Submitted by: Otto
From: NYC

THAT is one HELL of an episode, Kimo. Milton Selzer always rocks the house. LOVE it.

Added: Tuesday 05 June 2012 22:46:42 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

This sounds familiar...

NBC is rebooting The Munsters and it looks like there's some concern with casting Jerry O'Connell as Herman Munster. Mike Krumboltz of Yahoo TV writes... "Clearly, NBC has high hopes for the show, but one has to wonder whether casting O'Connell was the right move. After all, his track record is not good. Over the past several years, he's starred in "The Defenders" (canceled after one season), "Do Not Disturb" (canceled after one season), and "Carpoolers" (canceled after one season)."

No doubt legions of Jerry O'Connell's fans will praise the reboot while bashing the original show. Meanwhile, Fred Gwynne's fans will take to the Munster's chat rooms to unfailingly defend his legacy as the one and only Herman Munster.

Added: Tuesday 05 June 2012 22:30:10 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: from da mountain to da ocean, from da windward to da leeward side.

5, 17 was Percentage. been a long time! too long. Must rewatch it!
Real akamai 9 year old ya got there...

Added: Tuesday 05 June 2012 21:26:24 MST


Submitted by: otto
From: nyc

If i'm not mistaken, Mike has reminded us many times that it's "just a TV show." Do we really need to read about who hates whom, because they live here or there? This is a site about the FIVE.

My 9-year-old can recite whole passages from "10.000 Diamonds and a Heart". He loves it. Do i need to put HIM on this forum to tell us all that we're being ridiculous??? He would scratch his head if he knew the acrimony going on here.

And I'm talking about the perception of Jack Lord as a person, and all these other issues that keep coming up.

Tell me what you think of Season 5, episode 17. I don't know what that episode is, but i would like your take.

Added: Tuesday 05 June 2012 20:59:00 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Haleiwa

I have nothing whatsoever to do with Miss Nadja absence. But you may.

Added: Tuesday 05 June 2012 11:54:16 MST


Submitted by: Hoosiergirl
From: NapTown

Nice article about Dennis Chun on Honolulu Pulse

bit.ly/L8eHaA

Added: Tuesday 05 June 2012 11:03:25 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

I respect you H50, and I hear you, you're a good person.

I don't hate Kimo, I'd have to actually care about him or what he does to hate him, so that's not the case. I just don't like new posters being chased away and jumped on when they come on here and speak their mind. Tim came on and offered an opinion that really was no big deal, and he got jumped on, and then said "I'm leaving.' We're not exactly teaming with new posters here, and the old ones like Big Chicken and Nadja don't show up anymore, so I felt Kimo's reaction was extreme, and it drove someone away. I try to treat people the way I want to be treated with respect. Kimo wants respect, but wants to treat people like dirt, and then acts "shocked, shocked" ( with apologies to Casablanca) that he gets back what he dishes out. He sounds like an internet troll who likes to prey on message boards.

Like Otto always tells me-Be Cool, so I'm ending that discussion. Back to your regular Five-O programming.

Added: Tuesday 05 June 2012 07:37:09 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Thanks, Michael. Wish I could be at the car show on Friday, but there's just no way. Have a great time!

Added: Tuesday 05 June 2012 04:48:03 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Rainbow, I'll admit I've had my moments with Kimo, but I like him. Sure, he has some rough edges (don't we all?), but there's a man who loves his homeland and stands up for it. Although I do not care for bullying, I find that I miss Kimo when he doesn't come by.

Added: Monday 04 June 2012 19:08:06 MST


Submitted by: kimo
From: kailua

"You are nobody until someone hates you" - ayn rand

Added: Monday 04 June 2012 17:46:46 MST


Submitted by: Michael T
From: Palatine IL

To the best of my substantial knowledge, only one car-one '68 Park Lane, one '74 Marquis Brougham. As Karen Rhodes' book stated, cars gave their all for the show and got pretty beat up. Hubcaps occasionally flew off and were replaced with whatever could be scrounged up from the Sand Island salvage yards.

Added: Monday 04 June 2012 16:01:39 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Hey Kimo:

Has "Chris" dropped by and said hello yet or should I page him?...Bet you won't laugh at that one.

BTW, I didn't have to search for negative comments for you in the archives, the day I stumbled upon this site I found pages upon pages of you bullying other posters on here for hours and hours. It didn't take much time to find them, and showed me that the only one in need of a life was you, after all you had hours to ridicule every poster on here for weeks and weeks.

Should I have "Chris" drop by and post all about you for the newcomers here to find out about you, or do you want to continue fighting with me and being shown up? H50 forever, when you enable a bully, you let bad behavior continue.

Added: Monday 04 June 2012 14:30:59 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Free Five-0 (zero) download here (probably only works in the USA, though), plus a lot of other CBS shows:

http://www.cbs.com/thanks/

Added: Monday 04 June 2012 12:53:16 MST


Submitted by: PAF
From: Phoenix

When CBS first announced their reboot of Hawaii Five-O I knew this would spark a huge debate. To be honest I didn't particularly like the idea too much, I prefer a show that has a next generation concept or a prequel concept, like the Star Trek Franchise has done in the past, I don't like reboots. I think it has to do with the fact that its like saying the original show never existed, so we're rewriting history of this programn and this aparks feuding from fans of the original program. This is probably why for the most part reboot series aren't sucessful, in fact, Five-O is probably the only series that has been able to do this at least that I can remember it is. So how do I feel about the original Five-O versus the new one? Well I have become a fan once more of the original, watching reruns on the network MeTV in my area. As for the reboot I've seen a few episode, don't begrudge anyone for liking it or the actors, especially Daniel Dae Kim whom I loved on Lost. I have also seen Alex O. in other programs and thought he was a good actor so I don't think he's just a pretty boy. In fact, the entire cast is good, I just prefer the original because well that's just my own preference.

Added: Monday 04 June 2012 10:36:25 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Hawaii-Five0-Carguments-1048442.aspx

I love Hawaii Five-0 but have had enough of McGarrett and Danny's constant bickering in their car on the way to a crime scene. Can you please tell them enough's enough? — Betty, Boca Raton, Fla.

The writers are aware they've overdone these so-called "carguments" and are planning to shake things up next season. "We are going to have so many great twists on those," promises executive producer Peter Lenkov. "They're not going to just take place in cars anymore." For instance, Peter plans to trap the partners in the middle of the ocean "stranded in a dinghy for almost half an episode. The arguments that take place out there are going to be great!"

Added: Monday 04 June 2012 09:51:41 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Yeah. I thought you might pick up on that, Kimo. :D

Added: Sunday 03 June 2012 19:47:20 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: I AM the King.

"Do the Friends of 'Iolani Palace allow you to use the throne room or sit under the Coronation Pavilion?" I wen ax um; "Eh can sit on da throne or wot?" and they wen tell me; shoots! Then led me to da lua! aaahahahaa!

Added: Sunday 03 June 2012 19:19:40 MST


Submitted by: Hoosiergirl
From: NapTown

Olivia, you are slightly off on the facts regarding AOL's rehab stint. First, season two got a 23 ep order. Second, they were ahead in the production schedule when AOL took his leave. They took a short break after ep 20, prolly when Caan and DDK were seen other places than Hawaii, and resumed filming ep 21 on schedule. All documented in a short press statement from CBS seen on many websites last spring, Deadline Hollywood being one - bit.ly/xg3FPx

Added: Sunday 03 June 2012 19:14:07 MST


Submitted by: otto
From: NYC

HA HA, well said Mike, but this Lenkov character is not entirely correct. While I myself do fall into that category, I've seen a lot of positive comments about the new show on this site. That's the great thing of it. We all have our own take, and who really cares? It's supposed to be fun. I have a couple old five-o buddies who have watched the new one and enjoyed it. I didn't give 'em any crap and they didn't give me any for NOT watching it.

Have i mentioned on this site that my nine-year-old watched HOOKMAN twice in one day? (he was home sick from school) I've never forced the show on him, but he loves it, and the music as well

Added: Sunday 03 June 2012 18:04:23 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I think we should try to remember that the people making the new Five-0 are making a TV show, not land mines.

I seriously doubt that if someone says something negative about the show on this site, either in the discussion forum or my ranting on the usual anal-ysis pages, this will have the slightest effect on whether people want to go to Hawaii, spend money, and so forth.

I really don't think that anything that is said about the show here is going to hurt anyone's feelings.

I was told (and I cannot tell you how I know this) that Lenkov had his attention drawn to this site once and commented something to the effect that it was a haven for devoted followers of the old show who could not be converted!

Added: Sunday 03 June 2012 17:53:33 MST


Submitted by: Otto
From: Noo Yawk

HA HA, The Return of the King! And how soon the fists are flying! I don't see the point of fighting on this site, but my understanding is that this is a forum for honest discussions of Five-O, old and new, which to me means, "Call it like you see it." The only rules i will follow have already been laid out by the site master. He can delete my comments, should he choose.

Following the logic of 'saying only good things about the new show because of its benefit to Hawaii's economy' leads me to think that critics of film, theatre, restaurants, etc, should not give bad reviews because of the numbers of people employed by said subjects. We should not point out that McDonalds food has no real nutritive benefits because we must keep in mind the millions of people employed by that venerable fast-food franchise!

The original is my favorite television show ever, with a few strong runners-up, but during its run, i would have called it as i'd seen it. As for the new, nobody need worry about my bashing it. I won't be contributing to any discussions of it. (I always thought it should be on a separate forum, but Mike has obviously gone to great lengths on this site already, so i'm NOT suggesting it.)

Peace be with us.

Added: Sunday 03 June 2012 17:33:25 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

This is probably a question for Michael Timothy, but if anyone else knows, please tell me. How many black '68 Park Lanes were used in the production of 1.0? The reason I ask, if you look at the chase scene at the end of "A Killer Grows Wings" (Season 8), the Park Lane has hubcaps in one shot, yet no hubcaps in the next shot, back and forth through several shots. While you're watching the scene, see if you agree that the glass is missing in the rear window of the Park Lane. It looks to me like it is. Mahalo!

Added: Sunday 03 June 2012 17:22:56 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Mike, when you say, "If it appeared on Twitter, it must be true ..." were you being sarcastic, or sincere? These events might not have made headlines, but it's plausible that both what you read and what Olivia read are true. The producers might have known about Alex's problem before the media did, so they ordered 23 episodes instead of 24, but they may not have had actual dates as to when Alex would be unavailable. When he did make the dates known to the them, they had to readjust the scheduling and modify the storylines account for Alex not being there. The director tweeting about not going to Hawaii to film one episode is telling. (Of course, the angry Alex fans come after him with cyber pitchforks). What Olivia read about them ordering 24 might have been a mistake on the reporter's side, because 24 episodes is the standard number that they order.

Added: Sunday 03 June 2012 16:59:34 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Aloha, King Kimo,

It's so good to see you back upon your throne. It is fairly well known that the governors of Hawai'i have not been allowed to use Queen Lili'uokalani's music room or Mary Dominis' sitting room at Washington Place. Tell me: Do the Friends of 'Iolani Palace allow you to use the throne room or sit under the Coronation Pavilion? If not, why not follow the example set by King David Kalakaua and build your own palace. After all, the Ali'Iolani Hale was converted to a government office building (now, the Hawai'i Supreme Court), and 'Iolani Palace has been converted to a museum of Hawaiian history. Of course, you'll want to site it well away from the tourist sites, and I'm sure you'll want a splendid view to gaze upon as you reign over your kingdom. After all, Hawai'i no ka oi. ;)

Added: Sunday 03 June 2012 15:46:26 MST


Submitted by: Olivia
From: CA

Mr. Mike , the show got a 24 episodes order this second season, same as last season. CBS drama that are into syndication get that 24 epis.order.
Peter Lenkov was asked on Tweeter last November how many episodes they got and several times he answered "24". You can read those tweets.
And when Alex went into rehab, a guy that was suppposed to direct one episode, tweeted that he was not going to Hawaii anymore because that episode had been canceled because of Alex rehab. The poor guy got like 10 nasty tweets from Alex fans because he had "no sensibility" posting that.
And yes,production closed for 2 weeks. Scott came here to LA and he was spotted in several pics around the city. DDKim went to NY, he was in Columbia checking the school with his son.
All was/is on Tweeter.

Mr. Mike comments: Well, I stand corrected. Since it appeared on Twitter, it must be true ... though I recall the 23 show season was announced before AOL's "problem," maybe because they knew about this in advance.

Added: Sunday 03 June 2012 14:19:30 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Honey, it's a Lulu.

Tim, do not leave. Especially because of someone whose posts you should ignore. But I AM the King of Hawai'i. As rainbow warrior is the ersatz king of this web site.

Added: Sunday 03 June 2012 13:08:59 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Speaking of rumours and speculation here recently:

Olivia: "Even if because Alex O'Loughlin substance abuse they had to shut down the show production for 2 weeks and reduce the episode order so he could make a stint in rehab..."

The show was not "shut down." The episodes when AOL was not around were the Max Bergman-centric one and the two NCIS crossover episodes. They just rewrote these shows so he wasn't present. The schedule was not reduced, either. As far as I am aware, they intended to have 23 episodes rather than 24 all along.

Added: Sunday 03 June 2012 12:49:14 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Haleiwa

"mediocre show." "Viewers are idiots" "acting sucks" "Alex loves to party way too much" Hawai'i needs the new show. It is gainful employment for many here and as with any series set in Hawai'i, assists in bringing tourists, which we need. If one spends time going thru the archives to search out Kimo's posts that may be negative, then one has too much time on one's hands and really should "get a life" (I swore I would never say that). "Kimo's a hypocrite therefore his admonitions are lies." That is called BS.

Added: Sunday 03 June 2012 12:16:51 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Tim,

Please stay and keep posting. All viewpoints are welcome here. We have tried to have intelligent and substantive discussions on the new show. I know that Mike and I have been very fair in praising and criticizing the new show in the hopes that it becomes great television. Everyone is welcome to posts their thoughts. Kimo tends to be a bully on here, which is strange because there are people I trust like Barbara who say he is actually a nice person in real life, but he tends to act lik a knucklehead on here and plays the role of "King of Hawaii." For the most person just ignore him, if he gets on someone too much then I pop up and turn the tables on him, and he quiets down.

Added: Sunday 03 June 2012 12:11:14 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

The problem with Kimo is that he always says don't be negative, and don't insult the new show and then goes and tries to make his point by being negative and insulting people. It defeats his whole argument all the time. especially when you check the archives and see months of Kimo posts where he insults every poster on here and is nothing but negative. Look in the mirror brother! Kimo's point is only "I" Kimo can be negative and insult people here and no one else, and if you point out my hypocrisy then I start mouthing jibberish and insult the US Mainland and it's people and blame everybody there with things that none of us where alive for. You see don't insult the new show but allow Kimo to insult everything he doesn't like. It's called BS.

Added: Sunday 03 June 2012 11:10:01 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Well-said, Virginia.

Spreading rumors for the sake of seeing people’s reactions, starting arguments, and angering people serves no purpose. As far as Tim’s comments go, I have not read anything about Scott and Alex doing it for the money, but I did read an interview Scott gave when the new show premiered, and he said that he and Alex took these roles because their film careers didn’t turn out the way they wanted. There was no mention of money.

The story about Grace Park not liking Hawaii was mentioned numerous times on here and on the IMDb, so it didn’t start with Tim. It was result of some remarks Grace made in interviews, which were still cryptic in meaning. There is no evidence that Alex was partying the night away in Honolulu’s nightspots, which resulted in him getting drunk and becoming an alcoholic and needing rehab. His stay there had to do with painkillers, or so they wrote in news articles.

If people are going to comment on someone’s actions, they should get the facts first.

Added: Sunday 03 June 2012 11:08:47 MST


Submitted by: Tim
From: Venice

Negativity? Rumors?
That Grace P. wants to leave the show is no secret. U just wait and see.
Scott has said several times he is in the show to make money for movies and theater.Last time in an article last week.
And that Alex O. has joined the rehab club with Lindsay Lohan and Charlie Sheen is a fact.Of course it has been no secret.
This show and this cast are the ones promulgating negativity about Hawaii. No the viewers. Something Jack Lord, the Original show and later Lost never did. Of course I didn't mention DDkim in my last post because he is an amazing decent guy .
I have been going to Hawaii since I was 2. I am 42 now, we own a condo there and go at least 1 month. So u can say I love Hawaii.
And of course I didn't even mention the disrespecful Veterans incident in Punchbowl.BTW, DDKim was not there, only Alex.Guess those old folks love negativity too.
I understand a few no wanting anything bad posted about the show. A few are making a few bucks out of it. And then you have those old woman in love with Alex. But that won't change the fact that this big proyect should had been getting 20 million viewers same as NCIS instead of 10.
But no worries from me. I won't post here anymore.And I never had any interest in force anything upon anyone.i want to think people is smart enough to have their own opinions. Leaving to Hawaii in 2 days. Aloha.

Added: Sunday 03 June 2012 10:24:26 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Well said, Kimo. Bravo!

Still, it would be wonderful if the new team would shake out some of the awkward areas (sound, music, color) and let the characters solve their cases without breaking the law. Surely, those things are not too much to ask.

As for bashing for bashing's sake, making up lies just to get a rise, etc., I'm behind your comments 100%. The problem with bashing and lies is that some people believe them. Then, a rumor is started. Ever tried to dispel a rumor? It's next to impossible.

Added: Sunday 03 June 2012 07:35:52 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

"Funny some are bashing the Original show. Funny some are bashing the New show." It is a show about the Aloha state, set in the Aloha state. Try to get with the program. Stop the hating fer god's sakes already. If ya don't have anything nice to say, just don't say anything at all. Why promulgate negativity? What and or where do you think that will get you? A popular seat at the new york internet users haters club? Fine. Wallow in THAT morass. Enjoy that feculent endeavor to your perfidious heart's content. But please, I beseech you, do not force it upon us. Leave it far and away from H50 sites. Please. Mahalo nui. Much appreciated.

Added: Sunday 03 June 2012 00:03:42 MST


Submitted by: Tim
From: Venice

Funny some are bashing the Original show. The remake is nothing but a mediocre show getting mediocre results for cbs. The plot is for idiots and the acting sucks.
Grace Park, wanting to quit because she misses her husband. Hello? Hawaii 50? Where did she think it was going to be filmed?
Then Scott and Alex O.saying several times they r in the show just for the money. Nice. At least Scott wants the money to later be able to work in roles he really love. But Alex O., he loves to party way too much. Not even 2 seasons and 30 days in rehab and all summer doing out patient rehab in Hawaii.Such a great guy.
Nice

Added: Saturday 02 June 2012 13:50:57 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Right, Vrinda. Jack's back yard was a public beach. Not only that, but large windows spanned the full width of Jack's condo. Marie -- along with all the neighbors, a dozen or so tourists, four or so outrigger canoeists, a windsurfer or two, and at least half the guests at the Kahala Hilton next door -- could have seen everything that was going on. What will these Jack bashers think of next?

Added: Friday 01 June 2012 14:08:43 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

H5.O 1.0,

Maybe Jack needed to pay the bills and couldn't wait for that great film script to come along in the meantime. I know he felt that way about The Name of the Game is Kill.

While God's Little Acre is not Cat on a Hot Tin Roof, I think the filmmakers were limited in what they could put on the sreen, with the racieness of the source novel and cinema codes of the time. Maybe they were forced to leave out certain material because of these codes, material which was important to telling the storyline, and the material with which they were left was not much to make into an interesting script. It's worth it alone for the cast, especially Jack. However, if Tina Louise's character is married to Jack's character, and Aldo Ray's character was her ex-boyfriend, it's strange to think she would still have the hots for the old boyfriend. :!thinking:

Added: Friday 01 June 2012 13:57:15 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

saw bits of ACRE on WLNY TV ch 55 NY long while back in wee hours. i am sure Antenna TV will play it soon

Added: Friday 01 June 2012 13:50:56 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

"God's Little Acre" is AWFUL!!! Trashy to the nth degree. It has no useful message. Did Jack read the script before he signed up to do it, or did he think it would be another southern pot boiler akin to "Cat on a Hot Tin Roof"? With his character caught between a father living in a dream world and a wife in another man's bed, there is no way Jack could have expected to come out of that movie better off than he went into it.

Added: Friday 01 June 2012 12:46:59 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Mike: "This reminded me of the issue of whether or not Jack Lord was gay, which seems to surface every time someone doesn't like Jack Lord very much, the implication in the mind of the accuser, again, being that gay = bad. (I realize that there are some people who actually do think this way...)"

Those people have their minds permanently set in idiot mode. I came across one loser on YouTube who claimed he was doing construction work on a house near Jack's house, and he saw Jack and a young man in his backyard, embracing and kissing. The fact that this man claims he saw this in the backyard of a house that he claimed was Jack's tells you this man was lying. Jack never had a house in Hawaii. He always lived in the Kahala Beach Apartments. Moreover, we know he was a private person and displaying that kind of affection for someone - male or female - in a backyard where others could see would be out of character.

I was going to tell the idiot off, but some other people already did.

Added: Friday 01 June 2012 12:43:14 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

Mr. Mike, the implication probably was nothing more than an aside. "oh by the way. he was homosexual. And also we hear he was a Mormon." Just adjunct incidental information not implicating any other member of his particular sexual or religious personal choice or persuasion... Hoosier, don't call me Feh. This flick is as Roger Ebert calls... one of those so bad, it's good. A curiosity. I may not miss anything by FF'ding thru the mess, but if ya love da lawd, ya watch each frame he was recorded for posterity on.

Added: Friday 01 June 2012 12:27:17 MST


Submitted by: Hoosiergirl
From: NapTown

Jack Lord being gay wouldn't have made him a bad person by any means or tarnished my view of him at all, but it would certainly explain a lot of his fashion choices over the years.

Added: Friday 01 June 2012 12:00:39 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I had a good laugh the other day. There was a news report that Norwegian psycho-killer Anders Behring Breivik might be "GAY." My Clint Eastwood-like reaction to this was: "WTF does this have to do with anything?" Is the implication here that gay people are psycho-killers ... or just plain bad?

This reminded me of the issue of whether or not Jack Lord was gay, which seems to surface every time someone doesn't like Jack Lord very much, the implication in the mind of the accuser, again, being that gay = bad. (I realize that there are some people who actually do think this way...)

Added: Friday 01 June 2012 10:31:35 MST


Submitted by: Hoosiergirl
From: NapTown

"All in all this is just too good a film to be so forgotten. It resonates feelings of isolation, bigotry, self-importance, small town lust, and warping materialism. With Mann steering the ship this is racy comedy that plays as a sanctinfy'in fable."

Feh....The script is a mess, a schizophrenic mix of comedy and serious drama, neither of which are accomplished well. The acting is so over the top it's laughable. Plus it's a good 30 minutes too long. I wish I could say it's fun to watch Mystery Science 3000 style, but it ain't. It's tedious, stupid and inane. One of my top ten worst movies ever put on film. I suggest anyone who wants to watch Jack Lord, record the movie then use the FF to skip through to his scenes. Trust me, you won't be missing anything.

Added: Friday 01 June 2012 09:40:29 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

with such a writeup, it is hard to imagine this is not on one's bucket list! =
Anthony Mann's film,God's Little Acre, based on Erskine Caldwell's book about obsessive faith in 'hidden gold' by an eccentric family of simple southern sharecroppers has quite a history. It was initially banned in many states compelling a theatrically presented 'toned-down' version. Censorship revolved mostly around young Tina Louise's excessively healthy boobs. once '50s pinup, Fay Spain plays the unwed nubile sister... and "Little House on the Prairie" 's Michael Landon portrays the kidnapped albino worker (didn't you know - "they're good luck!"). All in all this is just too good a film to be so forgotten. It resonates feelings of isolation, bigotry, self-importance, small town lust, and warping materialism. With Mann steering the ship this is racy comedy that plays as a sanctinfy'in fable.

Added: Friday 01 June 2012 00:09:15 MST


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