Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- July 2012

The Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- July 2012


The following are archived comments from July 2012. After looking around, please add your own comments!

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Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

METV is now showing episodes from the great sixth season.

This is my favorite season of the series, with shows such as HOOKMAN, DRAW ME A KILLER,etc..

I have the set on DVD, but I'm finding myself tuning into METV this month to see these wonderful shows again.

Be There,
Aloha!

Added: Tuesday 31 July 2012 18:20:19 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

I think we're saying the same thing in different words. You call Ritter "annoying." I call him "stupid." In "Two Doves...," that is.

I've liked John Ritter very much in dramatic works; e.g., made-for-TV movies and was quite saddened when he passed away so unexpectedly. But as the Jeep-driving hippie in the top hat... puh-leeze!

"Rest in Peace..." was so beautifully crafted... The writer had his ducks in a row. The director and actors put it all in place. Fantastic!

Added: Tuesday 31 July 2012 18:03:03 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I wouldn't really call "Two Doves and Mr. Heron" stupid. The fact is that I can't really find an episode from season 4 that I downright don't like or don't find enjoyable. "Two Doves..." included. But I guess if I had to pick a lesser episode that one would be it.

I like the idea of a gay embezzler - something that surely would not have gotten past the censors during the first 3 seasons. And Vic Morrow did a good job. But what really irritates me about this episode is John Ritter. I love Ritter - THREE'S COMPANY is one of the best ever comedies! But damn if he ain't annoying in this episode. His hippie persona and his constant ranting and mumbo-jumbo just made me want to deck him. How obnoxious can ya get??! So grating!!

"Rest in Peace, Somebody" is in a whole different class of greatness! :!cool:

Added: Tuesday 31 July 2012 14:11:09 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

I agree, Ringfire. "Rest in Peace, Somebody" is absolutely spellbinding, all the way down to the bitter end.

"Two Doves and Mr. Heron" is just plain stupid, although it was a good dress rehearsal for "Three's Company."

Added: Tuesday 31 July 2012 11:55:48 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Thanks, tin idol! ;)

Interesting comments. I still can't understand how someone can call this episode "average". Even if it's not your favorite you just can't deny that it's top-notch and very suspenseful. Average is something I might refer to "Two Doves and Mr. Heron". Not this episode. I even prefer this one to "Hookman". As awesome as that one is, we see the culprit from the very beginning. Here we have no clue who is harassing McGarrett. We just know it's someone with a deep-seated hatred of the man, who enjoys taunting and belittling McG - calling him "stupid" and "dummy".

Added: Tuesday 31 July 2012 11:36:36 MST


Submitted by: tin idol
From: (big H in disguise)

Seen this, Ringfire?

bit.ly/MQ8RRq

Added: Tuesday 31 July 2012 09:26:33 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow warrior
From: New York, NY

H50 Forever,

ROTFLMAO at your "Thank Goodness" comment! You're right! We have enough headaches with the new show as it is.

:!rofl:

Added: Tuesday 31 July 2012 07:46:27 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

"Because AOL's father and Jack Lord's character are not the same person."

Thank goodness!

Added: Tuesday 31 July 2012 04:37:59 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Why the name change? Because AOL's father and Jack Lord's character are not the same person.

Added: Monday 30 July 2012 19:38:40 MST


Submitted by: Toysdad
From: Richmond, VA

While I like the revised 5-0, I have a problem w/the inconsistencies and patronizing. 1) In the new show Steve's Dad became John McGarrett (as shown on his headstone)...why the name change. 2) I appreciate the fact that our President is from Hawaii yet common lets get real; the likelihood of a Black man being Governor of Hawaii is as pausible as the idea of me taking a stroll to the moon sans spaceship, spacesuit and any lifesupport system AND I AM BLACK!!! Let's make the new show more "realistic"!!

Added: Monday 30 July 2012 19:28:36 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Actor Norman Alden has died. http://bbc.in/MWsGCL

I'll always remember him as the vengeful ex-cop Bill Cameron toying with McGarrett as he plans to assassinate the governor in "Rest in Peace, Somebody" from the 4th season. It's my all-time favorite Five-0 episode!!!

Added: Monday 30 July 2012 14:21:36 MST


Submitted by: Graeme
From: Orlando, Florida

That is my feeling too, which is why I've always suspected it is stock footage of an actual crash.

Added: Monday 30 July 2012 11:45:35 MST


Submitted by: Big H
From: nc

Graeme....watch season 5's "Death Wish on Tantalus Mountain." I think it is used in that ep also. But to where it actually came from, well, Mr. Mike is the history man. It has a "grainy" look to it, like it is actual footage of a real accident that CBS had access to. I think it would have cost a lot of dough to stage such a firery wreck even in the early 70s.

Added: Monday 30 July 2012 09:41:55 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Flaming car comes from "Death Wish on Tantalus Mountain". Season 5.

Added: Monday 30 July 2012 09:31:12 MST


Submitted by: Graeme
From: Orlando, Florida

I was wondering if you folks could help me with a question that has been bugging me for decades: Where does the footage of the flaming race car crash in the opening credits of some episodes come from? Is it film of an actual racing accident?

Added: Sunday 29 July 2012 23:06:17 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Mike, what are the prices for Season 13? Oh, I know. It's priceless! :D

Added: Sunday 29 July 2012 11:58:53 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

In the Yahoo H50FC group, there is currently a discussion about the price of DVD box sets, particularly on Amazon.com.

But in addition to DVD sets available from Amazon themselves, there are also sets available on Amazon from Marketplace Sellers as follows (the current Amazon prices are in brackets).

There is no rhyme or reason to these prices -- for example, sometimes used copies are more expensive than new ones. In many cases, there seems to be almost some kind of conspiracy among sellers to keep prices high.

Marketplace Sellers are covered by an Amazon guarantee, so if you are not satisfied with your purchase, you can get your money back (some conditions apply -- see Amazon for details).

SEASON ONE ($14.18)
$7.99 used
$10.98 new

SEASON TWO ($14.79)
$8.27 used
$11.75 new

SEASON THREE ($14.74)
$5.99 used
$10.25 new

SEASON FOUR ($11.11)
$9.99 used
$9.37 new

SEASON FIVE ($20.91)
$19.11 used
$19.47 new

SEASON SIX ($22.02)
$20.03 used
$12.85 new

SEASON SEVEN ($26.93)
$16.54 used
$20.44 new

SEASON EIGHT ($26.93)
$25.07 used
$23.41 new

SEASON NINE ($37.38)
$28.80 used
$28.80 new

SEASON TEN ($16.57)
$17.33 used
$16.00 new

SEASON ELEVEN ($34.31)
$17.94 used
$25.00 new

SEASON TWELVE ($36.93)
$19.19 used
$24.49 new

SEASON ONE, NEW SHOW, DVD ($33.00)
$16.51 used
$19.50 new

SEASON ONE, NEW SHOW, BLU-RAY ($39.96)
$18.91 used
$35.72 new

Added: Sunday 29 July 2012 08:04:03 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Season 13 should be a hoot! With about 48 episodes to watch, we should have our time filled for the next 45 years. Way to go, Mike, Mark, and Julie! Some Emmys for best writing for a continuing series, drama, for sure!

Added: Friday 27 July 2012 12:44:57 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Yes, Lenkov definitely doesn't get it. If he did he'd know that the music score is half of the show! I can't imagine what the original Five-0 would have been like without those fabulous scores by Stevens, Ray, Shores, etc. That was half the show right there!

The same thing applies to Sean Callery's score for "24". That music is half the show if you ask me. Puts you in the right mood and gets the proper reaction out of you. Speaking of Carlos Bernard, if you listen to his commentary on one of the season 2 episodes he himself admits to watching "24" just so that he can listen to Callery's score. Carlos says he doesn't like watching his own stuff that he stars in. But he's so amazed with Callery's music that he can't help but watch the show just to hear the score. This is especially interesting to him because obviously when they film their scenes there is no music playing. So to see it all come together seamlessly with the music added in (great Callery music no less) is a real special treat!

Added: Friday 27 July 2012 12:08:35 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Some fellow e-mailed me about Season 13. (He didn't "get it.") :D

The anal-ysis of these shows is here:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/5-0log13.htm

But wait, there's more! He pointed out to me there are several episodes (that I have been unaware of) on Mark and Julie's site too:

http://www.ministryofpeace.com/h5o/h5o_s13.html

Added: Friday 27 July 2012 09:52:08 MST


Submitted by: Big H
From: Just 2 more cents....

I think what set the scores apart for 5-0 original was that the composers were able to take the original 5-0 theme and "morph" it into different themes and arrangements (to mesh with the storyline or action that was occurring at that moment in the plot) by changing tempo, musicality, instrumentation, etc. This was the genius of Ray and Stevens. If you've read any at all of Mr. Mike's anal-yses of the original eps, you're very familiar with his identifications of many of these themes (i.e., military theme, memories theme, trombone, etc). They would also blend in Hawaiians sounds (via various drums & percussion type instruments) that gave the show a Hawaiian musical flair. I don't hear that much in the new show.....only a lot of current tracks that try to give the show a hip-type sound but it comes up short.

Added: Friday 27 July 2012 09:16:49 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

I agree, Mike, that the music in today's programs is mind numbing. I can be at my desk in one room, while C is watching one of the present-day programs in the next room, and all I hear is the monotonous twang of the
bass notes of a guitar. There is no melody. There is no interplay among instruments. There is no rhythm. I wouldn't even call it "music." I'd call it "sound effects."

In the original Five-0, on the other hand, the music so often causes me to stop and listen to the music and wish I could filter out the conversation and background noises. It is good, and I want to enjoy it for its own sake.

There are several interval themes, which have no names and last for only a few bars, but they bring a smile to my lips. I love them! One of my favorites comes from Season 1 or 2, then we don't hear it again until "A
Gun for McGarrett" (Season 7), when McGarrett is pulling into Marnie's driveway. I always think, "There's that melody." Fantastic!

Added: Friday 27 July 2012 08:55:14 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I have been rewatching seasons 1 and 4 of "24" recently. Sean Callery, who does the score for these shows, is VERY good. He is right up there with "TV masters" like Mark Snow (The X-Files) and Michael Giacchino (Lost).

I don't know why Lenkov didn't hire Callery, since he seems to gravitate towards people who had some dealings with him on "24" (Carlos Bernard, who played Tony Almeida, is going to be on the show this season, for example). But Callery is a busy guy, scoring other shows like Medium and Bones.

I think Lenkov really doesn't have much of an appreciation for music. When he was asked why they didn't have a "wave" before each commercial break like in the old show, he said "that is a stylistic decision" or words to that effect.

I think the same applies to the music. It disturbs me that we have never ONCE heard a reference to the old show's theme song in the background score. I'm sure in Star Trek shows, for example, you would occasionally hear such references. I also think there may not be much of a budget for music on the new show.

The music in the new show is mind-numbingly repetitive. You could say the same of much of the old show, but at least the music had class and could fit just about any dramatic situation, very similar to the way the repetitive scores for the original Star Trek did.

Added: Thursday 26 July 2012 21:28:30 MST


Submitted by: Deli Waiter
From: Palm Springs, CA

I got that album by Kui Lee, the only one he ever made. What an extraordinary talent, gone way, way too soon. I have a bunch of good Hawaiian albums, including one by the master of the "Slack key" guitar, Gabby Pahinui. And an excellent comedy record by Rap Reiplinger. All for the grand price of three for a buck. It pays to dig thru boxes at the thrift store.

Ps Saw Jack in "Dr. No" on cable tonight, he must have smoked at one point in his life, he way too familiar with a cigarette for it to merely be part of his role.

Added: Tuesday 24 July 2012 23:14:16 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

Covered by Tommy Sands in NO BLUE SKIES - this is absolutely golden - the original... bit.ly/PGyT8D ...even with the pops and crackles - there's nothing like vinyl.

Added: Tuesday 24 July 2012 20:58:52 MST


Submitted by: Ray
From: Portsmouth NH

Kimo,

Thanx my friend. Perseverance? I guess that's why someone on here referred to me as having the pit ball tenacity of Jim Garrison in solving the 'riddle of the Logue.' I was laughing so hard for that back handed compliment, that I had tears running down my cheeks, lol...cuz I really am a JFK conspiracy theorist. He was assassinated on my 9th birthday, and I will never forget that day. Sorry Mike for the minor OT distraction.

Added: Tuesday 24 July 2012 19:01:22 MST


Submitted by: ROD
From: Chicago

Old home week . . . on VEGA$ (the old Robert Urich series)! I was watching the DVD Volume 1 of the Third Season. The first episode is titled "Aloha, You’re Dead”. Dan Tanna (Urich) is kidnaped and flown to Hawaii by "an Oriental crime cartel” led by the very non-Oriental Loren Greene. Greene’s group is comprised of several members of organized crime representing various Asian nations. The members, all with speaking parts, are played by Five-O semi regulars: Seth Sakai, Galen Kam, Danny Kamekona and Tommy Fujiwara.

Another familiar face from past Five-O episodes, Yankee Chang, plays an old man who tries to help Tanna and is gunned down in cold blood by the character played by Pernell Roberts. The lead FBI agent is played by Manu Tupou.

There are several scenes on the penthouse balcony of the Ilikai as well as Ala Wai Yacht Harbor.

Perhaps the most astonishing thing about the entire episode is that, with the exception of Tupou, none of the other local actors is given on-screen credit.

Added: Tuesday 24 July 2012 17:49:33 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: kailua

wow. very cool, ray. and not because I was mentioned. Your perseverance will benefit the universe and you, tenfold. nice, braddah. mahalos!

Added: Tuesday 24 July 2012 00:05:28 MST


Submitted by: Ray
From: Portsmouth NH

OT: to Kimo

Hey Kimo, thanx for your cudos on the link I posted reference Liz Logue. I have been doing substantial Honolulu flying lately, but have been overtaken by events. We merged (that is, Continental Airlines with United), so I'm caught in the middle of lots of contentious labor problems right now with our two companies that mitigates against me flying more often to my favorite locale. Doing more Italy and Europe these days. I do hope to share a cocktail or two, Hawaiian style, with you, when I can resume my schedule back to HNL.

That being said, back to the topic at hand. I know Kimo and I went around and around a couple years ago about this Hawaiian beauty which opened the sequence in the original Five O, and whether or not she was still with us. Thanx to Kimo's challenge, I did some copious research and did find the beautiful Liz, and put her in touch with her college friend from the Univ of Hawaii whom she had not seen in more than 50 years. I would not have pursued this more diligently, if it wasn't for Kimo and his love for the series, and genuine concern for the preservation of Hawaiian culture. As a result of his 'motivation', I pursued the research, and did in fact eventually receive a wonderful note from Liz. It was hard work and took many many months, but I got lucky, found an extremely important clue, and eventually hit pay dirt. The note was short and sweet, taking up two sides of a very classy piece of stationery with gold bordering. Every word was so wonderfully articulated, perfect grammar, and in her own penmanship. How many people write thank you notes any more? We are so addicted to the keyboard, and emails, it seems that the virtual world is all we know and have become accustomed to in our daily correspondence. I would luv to share more...but I'll just say this. Liz, in so many words, was extremely appreciative of fan interest, but at the same time, thanked me for protecting her new identity and location. A dinner invitation with her husband floored me to no end, but I have yet to actually take her up on it..maybe someday. I was too honored with that handwritten note to actually move on to the kind invitation. I felt like the jaw stammering Jackie Gleason in the Honeymooners, when Alive caught him up to no good...hamahamanaha...lol

Added: Monday 23 July 2012 21:24:59 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

From 50undercover.com:

This afternoon, Hawaii Five-0 executive producer, Peter Lenkov tweeted a casting teaser out to fans:

Aloha Carlos Bernard. Welcome to our show/Ohana.

This is welcome news for those of us who were faithful viewers of the Kiefer Sutherland show, "24," where Mr. Lenkov spent some time. For several seasons, Carlos Bernard played the complex character Tony Almeida, a man we were first reluctant to love, and then later, were forced to hate (damn you, Tony!)

Bernard won't be the first actor from that show to guest-star on the Hawaii-based series. Daniel Dae Kim who portrays Steve McGarrett's team member Chin Ho Kelly, appeared in Seasons 2 and 3 of "24," and his Hawaii Five-0 wife Malia, is played by Reiko Aylesworth, who played Almeida's wife on the Sutherland show. Confused? Just think "Wife Swap."

Other "24" graduates who made appearances on Five-0 during the first two seasons were Jean Smart, Glenn Morshower, Annie Wersching, and Louis Lombardi, and there are probably more that aren't coming to mind. There's no word yet on which episode(s) Bernard will appear in, or whether his character will be play good or evil; he's quite good at both. Kiefer Sutherland is busy with his own Fox series "Touch," but I would like to suggest to Mr. Lenkov that we continue the "24" reunion by casting Mary Lynn Rajskub (Chloe) and James Morrison (Bill Buchanan) in future episodes.

Added: Sunday 22 July 2012 19:13:52 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

Following up on Vrinda and Maxine's discussion, I have always thought from the moment that I watched the new series for the first time that the main difference was in the portrayal of the McGarrett character. The other three team members play their roles just fine, and although I find Scott Caan's Danno annoying at times, Caan can certainly act. While the eras of the two series are radically different, AOL could not play McGarrett in the same fashion as Lord did because he does not have the same commanding presence as a leading actor that Jack did. His interpretation of the character is not as strong or interesting as that of Jack Lord. Thus, it has to be more of a team effort, not just because of AOL's shortcomings in his part, but because of the times (authority figures don't go over as well nowadays).

One area where AOL comes up very short against Lord is in some of the verbal confrontations with bad guys. Think of how many times James Marsters, Mark Dacascos, and others have stolen scenes from him. This would never have happened with JL playing McGarrett. Though formidable as actors, neither one of those would have had a chance against Lord.

As for team members in the original series being yes men, some of the strongest and most memorable episodes were ones that were featured James MacArthur and Kam Fong more than McGarrett. Yes, they probably couldn't have carried the series a majority of the time, but neither could Scott Caan, Daniel Dae Kim, or Grace Park. But supporting actors are not supposed to carry series. There are many great supporting characters throughout the history of TV that could not make it on their own.

Finally, one disturbing element of the new McGarrett character to me is his reckless disregard of the law he is supposed to uphold. Whether it is using questionable interrogation techniques or destroying someone's property, this is not the way most cops go about their business. Lord's character attempted to outwit you, whereas AOL's just tries to beat you up. These character traits could feed into the "dumbing down" aspect that others have mentioned.

Added: Saturday 21 July 2012 14:29:59 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

The problem with dialogue today is that the actors put no emotion into it. Real speech reflects how the speaker feels. It is not a recitation of memorized lines. Sadly, television today sounds like that recitation of memorized lines. I don't think anyone would sound deadpan and monotone if he were saying, "That thug ran over my cat," so why do they film it that way?

Re: supporting actors being "yes" men on the original series, they were not. I'm re-watching the early seasons (the Kono years). Kono was one sharp cookie. That is why we still miss him and still consider him a part of the show. He made a very definite mark, and he portrayed Hawaiians in a very positive light. Go, Kono!

Added: Saturday 21 July 2012 14:17:30 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Maxine,

My comments are based on comments I read on the IMDb and other websites which were posted when the new show premiered. People complained that Steve McGarrett on the original show only gave orders, was not a team player, the other detectives acted like flunkies or attendants – some more using more vulgar language to describe it than that, Danno was a "yes man,” and he and the other detectives didn’t have opinions. These people talked as though the original series was all Steve McGarrett and no one else. Complaining that a character is giving orders to others sounds like nitpicking. McGarrett was in charge of the Five-O unit, making him an administrator, and part of that job includes giving orders. Authority figures are part of real life and every facet of the workforce, not just in the police force, and certainly not just in the realm of TV crime shows. That these posters gripe about shows that either they are not in touch with reality, somehow went through life never taking orders from anyone – which is impossible, unless they lived in a cave, or are looking for things to pick on. These people also gripe that Danno, Chin, Kono, Ben, and Duke "didn’t have opinions” as if they took note of everything these guys said and confirmed that they never had an opinion, only did what Steve told them to do. To read these comments was annoying enough, and reasoning with those people was like talking to a brick wall. They were expecting the Five-O unit to be autonomous with everyone doing what they wanted when they wanted?

Having a difference of opinion is fine when that difference is important to the situation, not just for the sake of dissenting and saying so to make yourself stand out or look smarter than the one with whom you’re disagreeing, which leads to that observation you made about the snarky dialogue between characters on TV. I’m 31 and, like you, I don’t recall people talking this way in real life, either. If anyone, did it was only a few people you could count on one hand, and people did not find that behavior appealing. I knew some wiseacres who talked like that in school (middle and high school) but didn’t see any when I got to college or work. For television to depict such personality traits as if they are common and endearing suggest that either the writers behave that way, or they are magnifying the immature behavior they see in kids and projecting it on adults. It might be another example of youth obsession that the media has now. Not only are they casting for younger and younger roles with younger actors, they are also writing older characters as talking and acting like juveniles.

I don’t know about the state of acting schools nowadays, but I have a friend who is a theater actress and another who does documentary film-making. They like the old show over the new show and say that Jack’s portrayal of McGarrett was all put-together, as opposed to Alex. They are my age and didn’t watch the old show that frequently for that matter. They also say that acting courses today have not changed much from what they were fifty years ago, but TV and movie directors, producers, and writers are going for something else when they create roles and write dialogue. They are not focusing on making these characters unique, giving them personalities, and writing dialogue that is important to the storyline and emphasizing its enunciation. They are catering to the short attention span of the audience, dumbing down the dialogue so the least intelligent of the viewers can understand, thus getting them a bigger audience, and writing that juvenile snarky behavior because they think the kids will like it. Making the characters more sophisticated in their speech and treatment of each other is seen as being too restricted or traditional, or catering more to older audiences, which the networks ignore.

I also noticed how the characters on the original Hawaii Five-O and other shows of the time more clearly with eloquence and diction, but also knew when to make it more natural. It was as if they weren’t trying hard at all and it was second nature to switch gears at the appropriate time. On modern shows, even when they try to make the dialogue more natural and less theatrical, I can see that it still sounds forced, though they are not putting any feeling into it, and the dialogue comes off as phony no matter what.

Added: Saturday 21 July 2012 13:38:43 MST


Submitted by: Maxine
From: Brooklyn

Vrinda,

Yes, this question of acting styles is something I think about a lot. I'm constantly amazed when watching original Five-O or other cop/detective shows of its era how high the level of acting is, generally, across the board. Actors back then knew they had to deliver each line clearly, above all. (Think of how few times you have to rewind the old show to catch a misunderstood line). To be sure, there is some kind of balance an actor has to strike between naturalism and precise articulation - too precise will sound phony or theatrical - but most actors used to know how to do that. I don't know what has happened in acting schools since then. It certainly appears that actors' training has become less rigorous.

Furthermore younger actors too often take on a petulant/sarcastic tone which I find off-putting. It may be true-to-life, but it's unappealing, and if it reflects a generational change in the way people really talk that is an interesting subject in itself. I'm 44, the same age as Five-O; I don't remember this snarky way of talking being such a common thing back when I was a kid.

That said, I would hesitate to extrapolate from these stylistic changes in the art of acting and claim that anything major has changed with regards to respect for authority in society at large. The evidence for that seems very mixed. I'm sure others disagree, though.

Added: Saturday 21 July 2012 09:10:35 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

DVR alert!! A showing of Spencer's Mountain with one of JMac's best roles on TCM.....Saturday @ 3:30pm

Added: Friday 20 July 2012 20:51:35 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Ed Asner is back filming in Hawaii!

http://www.50undercover.com/2012/07/20/ed-asner-says-aloha-to-hawaii-five-0/

Added: Friday 20 July 2012 19:42:57 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Elaine,

Thank you! You're right: with the exception of a few actors, the rest are just filler with no substance. I would add Jim Caviezel to that group of modern actors who have talent. We never miss "Person of Interest."

It's sad that people are drawn to the third-rate talents, and laud them as great actors, and cannot relate to or accept actors from the past. It's not too hard to do. I don't get how today's generation of younger, and some older, viewers are so used to today's non-acting, with montonal grumbling and bad diction serving, that they would dismiss actors from previous generations as dull, wooden, overacting, awkward, or one-dimensional. If they can relate to the idiotic behavior of modern actors, that says more bad things about the audience.

Added: Friday 20 July 2012 17:27:50 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

dunno if this was posted already but time warner cable nyc has MeTV which has FIVE 0 and CANNON before that

yay!

Added: Friday 20 July 2012 14:38:04 MST


Submitted by: Hoosiergirl
From: NapTown

Nice article chronicling James MacArthur's Disney years. Shame he's not an official Disney Legend. Had no idea he had't been inducted into that group.

bit.ly/OFMtbl

Added: Friday 20 July 2012 12:22:49 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: kailua

Ray, thanks fo da link. It was too short an article, but apparently to make it more substantial, he would have had to do even more no-attribution lifting of info from the web of research and conclusions owned and conducted by others. Happens everywhere, doesn't mean it is pono.

Added: Friday 20 July 2012 10:11:52 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Yeah, Jean Simmons was legendary. THE ROBE, SPARTACUS, ELMER GANTRY, GUYS AND DOLLS, etc. Extremely beautiful in her younger years. In THE ROBE I swear she looks like Liz Taylor!

Haven't see "The Cop on the Cover" in a long time. But from recollection I do recall Jean and Jack having great chemistry. The sparks between them really flew!

And yes Linda Ryan seems a natural fit for a psychiatrist. She has that very cerebral look to her - in addition to the air of elegance that she possesses. Great combination!

Added: Friday 20 July 2012 09:47:19 MST


Submitted by: Elaine
From: Waterown, MA

Vrinda -spot on! Your analysis of the Jack Lord era actor couldn't be more accurate. Today it's all eye-candy and very little talent on the various TV shows. There are exceptions. Mark Harmon is a fine actor with a great ensemble cast on NCIS. I also like Emily Deschanel and David Boranz on Bones....they are good talent and the scripts are well written. But the majority of TV today is just wasted air space...in my opinion.

Ringfire...I too like Linda Ryan. I particularly liked her as Dr. Judith Patrick, the pyschiatrist that worked with Five-O on Bomb Bomb Whose Got the Bomb...the multiple personalities issue. I even used her in two of my own scripts...she actually ends up analyzing McGarrett's own mid-life crisis issues....she was a great character and so easy to write parts for.

I watchedThe Cop on the Cover last night with the great Jean Simmons. I can tell that Jack had a wonderful time working with her...just the side-ways glances he gave her from time to time. It was great watching two superb actors working tgether! And JMac had a great role as the man in the middle, referee-ing the sparring match between JL and JS! Wonderful episode, even if McGarrett did violate his own protocol by accepting a glass of wine in the end!

The heat wave here has finally broken. It's sixties today and the humidity is slowly going down...and there are still people out thre who don't believe in global climate change!

Whew, such a relief to be able to breathe again!

Aloha, all.

Added: Friday 20 July 2012 05:41:06 MST


Submitted by: Ray
From: Portsmouth NH

Subject: Elizabeth Logue

Folks, just as a disclaimer, I did not write this article, but I'm gratified to know that somebody was paying attention to all the work I did in unraveling this mystery. I truly don't mind that someone else is crediting my research and is getting mileage from that effort. What is important is that fans know and appreciate the fact that Liz has not passed away, but is alive and well, healthy and happy, well away from the intrusive media that affects anyone else in the public eye. There are not many still alive from the ol'Five O, so it's nice to know that we have an icon or two left who can help us stay anchored to our nostalgic connections with the past series.

Mike, Thanx for allowing me to post this, even if it does have an http header. If understand your rules correctly, Tiny URL is okay I think?

http://tinyurl.com/75orgzx

Added: Thursday 19 July 2012 23:51:50 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I finally received a dub of the Emme's Island Moment show which was broadcast in Honolulu at the end of May. This show, which is an hour long, deals with both the old and new Five-O.

The first 15 minutes looks back at how the original series was created, including tributes to both James MacArthur and Rose Freeman and footage from the 1996 reunion in Honolulu. The next 15 features interviews with some of the stars who have appeared on both shows: Al Harrington, Dennis Chun, Jimmy Borges and Kimo Kahoano. The next 20 minutes or so has an interview with Mark Dacascos, the new Wo Fat. Much of this material comes from a 1994 show which Emme did featuring Dacascos -- see http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/images/dacascos-94.jpg.

Actors from the new Five-O make only a brief appearance, probably in footage taken from TV interviews. Peter Lenkov, the executive producer of the new show, is featured throughout.

Added: Thursday 19 July 2012 03:11:44 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Whenever I see her on screen I'm always impressed with Linda Ryan's performance. Whether she's playing a psychiatrist (as she did in "I'll Kill 'Em Again") or the rich socialite wife who gets murdered in "The Burning Ice" (which I just saw last night) she always leaves an impression. Something about those eyes and that face. And do I detect a slightly British accent as well?

But my favorite of her performances has to be the flirtatious Gloria Warren in "Most Likely to Murder" where she really puts the moves on Steve in his office as he's questioning her - showing him a lot of leg! Then as she leaves the office she leaves her number with Jenny and tells her to make sure that Steve gets it. Love the look Jenny gives her. Wonderful performance - such a flirt!! :D

Added: Wednesday 18 July 2012 15:32:34 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Here's an interesting comment someone made on the IMDb:

I think Jack Lord was just a man from an era virtually lost on younger generations. The integrity of actors has diminished to the point that when watching old episodes of Hawaii Five-0 I am floored with Lord's ability as a performer and his fierce onscreen presence. There aren't any actors who can display that kind of power anymore. Nowadays it's all fo-hawks and abs, pretty-boys and no-talent jocks.

Lord lived in an era where the white man was certainly first, but bigotry was also a sign of ignorance, and thus men were accepted regardless of race or creed. If you were the best man for the job, the job was yours, didn't matter what color you were. My gramps had the same mentality before he died at 90 yrs old. All that is gone."

I've noticed the same thing, on all counts. It is all jocks and pretty boys on TV now, maybe because producers don't see them as intimidating types.

Oversentivie audiences will complain about actors with the type of talent and integrity Jack had, describing them as mean, arrogant, distant, aloof, and other false things, when those words don't apply at all, and these complainers don't even know the meaning of the words, just throw them around to try and sound knowledgeable.

Some male viewers were jealous of Jack or actors like him and criticize everything about them - including their appearance - despite the fact that they are judging them based on fictional roles these actors play on TV and film. They're jealous and are looking for things to pick on.

In an effort not to alienate those insecure people, producers cast these non-threatening types because stupid women find them attractive, and stupid men find them non-threatening. They know Jack portrayed Steve McGarrett as a real man, and instead of giving him credit for that, they criticize him.

The no-talet jock and pretty boy-types are ephemeral, and don't make a lasting impression as actors with Jack's screen presence had.

Added: Wednesday 18 July 2012 13:57:34 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Lanikai

"The sons are both hooked on North shore surfing and they want to live there"
As long as they give wide berth to da hui, leave alone a few particular surf spots, and no drop in, erry lil t'ing goin be all right as marley sez.

Added: Wednesday 18 July 2012 11:29:55 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

You see, H50F, that's part of the problem. Assumptions. "There can only be two choices here so what is it. This way or that way..." You can't approach learning a wholly different foreign language/culture with preconceptions. No assumptions. No dogma. No pressing Hawai'i thru a mainland filter. if ya know what I mean... Just trying to guide ya. No smart alec answer here. (I am breaking my rule by making an assumption here that you DO... want to learn...)

Added: Wednesday 18 July 2012 11:14:35 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: dixie

"What work are the sons going to do when they get out of the military?"

Don't know the answer to that one, although the younger son is also a chef. I know the plan is for the entire family to stay there on the islands. I guess the sons will surf and eat pineapples or perhaps Kamekono's garlic shrimp.

Added: Wednesday 18 July 2012 09:20:22 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Thanks, Kimo and Ed. What would I do without you?

Added: Wednesday 18 July 2012 08:20:15 MST


Submitted by: Ed
From: Honolulu

H50 said: "How do you pronounce "Manoa" (as in UH-Manoa)? Is it MAN-oh-ah or Man-OH-ah?

Does the kahako over the first "a" mean one places the emphasis there when pronouncing the word?"

No smart alec answer here. All Hawaiian sylables end in a vowel. And the macron over a letter means a long sounding vowel.

Manoa - Ma - no - ah

Ed

Added: Wednesday 18 July 2012 05:22:18 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: kailua

"How do you pronounce "Manoa" (as in UH-Manoa)? Is it MAN-oh-ah or Man-OH-ah?"

wot. jez two choices?

neither, nighther, nor.
It is "mah NOH ah".

Added: Wednesday 18 July 2012 01:09:33 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Well, then, they'll find a way to make it work. Bravo!

Added: Tuesday 17 July 2012 11:53:37 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

What work are the sons going to do when they get out of the military?

Added: Tuesday 17 July 2012 10:38:39 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: "no-surfing NC"

"I know they miss their sons, but their sons will rotate back to the mainland."

The sons are both hooked on North shore surfing and they want to live there even after their military careers are done.....so, here come the parents!! They assume since the sons can make it there, they can too....

Added: Tuesday 17 July 2012 09:20:03 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

A question for Kimo:

How do you pronounce "Manoa" (as in UH-Manoa)? Is it MAN-oh-ah or Man-OH-ah?

Does the kahako over the first "a" mean one places the emphasis there when pronouncing the word?

Mahalo!

Added: Monday 16 July 2012 19:14:37 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Hawaii is a nice place to visit, but the cost of living doesn't measure up to the economy there. Their economy relies heavily on the produce and cattle industries and tourism, with service industries, government, and education following.

What a friend told me was that in the eighties, Japanese businesses bought up a lot of land, built expensive apartments and houses on them, and the people who were already living there were forced to go elsewhere. They technically made it possible for the rich to live there, but nothing was done to accomodate the people without all the dollars.

Added: Monday 16 July 2012 11:19:40 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Big H, you've summed it up well. Your friends are putting everything they have into a dream. I know they miss their sons, but their sons will rotate back to the mainland.

As the old saw goes, "All that glitters is not gold." No, unless Ed McMahon calls with the $11 million, I really don't see how Hawai'i possibly could live up to our dreams. Drats!!!

Added: Monday 16 July 2012 10:50:37 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc y'all

"This is why C and I have not moved to Hawai'i. We know that, as much as we love it, unless we felt that we could make paradise work for us, the experience would spoil our dream. "

Forever, your comments remind me of some dear friends (a LOCAL retired couple close to me) who are selling their PAID FOR home and moving to Hawai'i simply to be closer to their sons who serve in the military there. These folks are not rich and are of modest means. I just shudder to think if this experience doesn't work out for them. They've vacationed there several times so they have to be aware of the cost of living. I think vacationing there is one thing but actually living there is another.

And your question about if anyone actually likes the southern accent--that too reminded me of an sales account that I called on years ago and the company was in Billings, Montana. The lady that I called there said she always loved it when I called--when I queried as to why, she said," I just love to hear you TALK!!!" :o

Added: Monday 16 July 2012 10:04:16 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Via 50undercover.com:

Hawaii Five-0 producer Peter Lenkov tweeted a photo of a surfboard pierced by bullet holes...

Nice local color!

What are some other ideas? How about this:

Danno (who suddenly is established as a bomb disposal expert, just like in the old show) has to find an unstable World War II grenade which is buried in a shipment of PINEAPPLES!

Added: Monday 16 July 2012 06:27:10 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

"I'll bring the white rum!' I'm there!
could be a good idea. a press event with H50 creators/actors meeting up with H50 afficionados and diehards. wheee. could happen.

Added: Saturday 14 July 2012 14:57:24 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

In my opinion, one reason why newcomers are slow to pick up on the culture when they move to a new area is that it takes time to settle in and become assimilated. If we spend a lot of time at work and commuting, it takes even longer to become assimilated, simply because there is not enough time to get out and explore the area and meet the people.

We lived in Washington for 16 years, yet we never went to the museums, had dinner in Georgetown, or attended a concert at Wolf Trap. Only once did we go down to the mall for the Fourth of July celebration. There was no time and often no money. C worked weekends, the children had soccer practice and school projects, and rent was sky high. We came to feel that Washington was for two groups: Yuppies w/o children and the wealthy.

Would I go back now in an attempt to pick up some of what we missed before? No. I've seen enough of that place. Similarly, on our first trip to Hawai'i, en route from the airport to the hotel, we stopped at a traffic light at Ala Moana Park. I saw a woman about 50 years old in the park. She had her per personal belongings gathered around her and had a haggard and drawn expression about her. Clearly, something had gone very wrong in her life. Had alcohol or drugs consumed her, or had she simply been unable to make paradise work for her and had no money to go home? I'll never know. I dare say that, if she ever makes it back to the mainland, she'll never want to see Honolulu again.

And, so, I submit that failure to learn the culture and language isn't always a choice. Sometimes, other things, like survival, are more important. This is why C and I have not moved to Hawai'i. We know that, as much as we love it, unless we felt that we could make paradise work for us, the experience would spoil our dream. We would rather have the dream from this distance, learn a few words and phrases in the language, learn the history of the islands, put on our Makaha Sons and Danny Carvalho CDs, and try to raise tropical plants on our deck. Our yellow plumeria is blooming this year! How 'bout that! By the way, according to the demographics data for our town, 14 people from Hawai'i live here. Aloha!

Added: Saturday 14 July 2012 07:46:52 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

"I'll see your branch and raise you one Olive tree and we toast our short strifeless life with maitais at da next Mr. Mike/Lenkov/Kimo/Barbara/Nadja Hawai'i meet!"

I'll bring the white rum! Maybe we can get Lenkov drunk enough to the point where he'll agree to let us write the scripts!

Added: Saturday 14 July 2012 10:28:25 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Heah

Happy Aloha friday da thirteenth errybody! make da most of every day. Ya never know if it's yer last.

Added: Friday 13 July 2012 20:12:11 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Hawai'i nei

"I'm willing to extend an olive branch and move on, if you are." I'll see your branch and raise you one Olive tree and we toast our short strifeless life with maitais at da next Mr. Mike/Lenkov/Kimo/Barbara/Nadja Hawai'i meet!

Added: Friday 13 July 2012 19:38:41 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Honoruru

"could some of Danno's "mispronunciations" as you call them simply be different b/c he grew up in a different area of the islands than you did? " Mahalos for the query.
In answer,emphatically not. He grossly, wantonly and with malice aforethought with extreme prejudice, butchers Hawaiian words throughout the series. So does McGarrett's attitude towards Hawaiian culture. It was shameful and someone in his position should know better. It might be argued that all was correct and accurate as conveyed by a cali based production company. But us locals all thru the years watch H50 and laughed at many of the displayed faux pas and scorned the numerous indiscretions.

Regards to case-ette, it may have been pronounced that way by some when cassette was a new invention. After all it sounds logical; case ette is a small case... cassette may be the way the word morphed after much use.

Added: Friday 13 July 2012 18:53:58 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

I don't consider "argument machine" a compliment, and nor would anyone else on the East Coast. As I stated before, I am going by lines spoken by characters on the show, not anyone else's consensus or speculation. When people use the term "local boy/girl/man/woman," they literally meant someone who was from Honolulu, their linguistic abilities aren't factored in. I'm willing to extend an olive branch and move on, if you are.

Added: Friday 13 July 2012 13:25:55 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: My lil grass shack in Kealakekua

It ain't an insult, to an east coaster, argument machine probably is a compliment! haha. Anyways, I am just trying to educate. Fallacies contained in Hawaii based shows scripted by el lay ites spread misinformation. I don't wanna see; "It's the general consensus Danno was a local boy" People already, as it is, claim to be local after just a few years, yet have no appreciation of the local culture, no local feel, or attitude. They complain; "when will I no longer be known as that insulting word Malihini" (it ain't insulting, it's descriptive) You see, people think someone is here for a little while, then they are kama'aina. they are local. That simply ain't so. "local boy" is someone who talks and acts and seems local because he is. he spent the majority of his years here. He has extended 'ohana. he knows and uses Hawaiian words and phrases naturally in daily use. he is hanai'ed. he is active in cultural activities for the preservation of Hawaiian heritage... I can go on and on but as it is I bore most people here. (Heck I'm falling asleep, myself!) Anyways, sorry to appear insulting it's just frustrating to see walls put up and stubborn adherance to mythology when people don't wanna learn about Hawai'i.

Added: Friday 13 July 2012 11:52:10 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

bit.ly/ieKVg9

Added: Friday 13 July 2012 11:32:05 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

You're right, Big H. I grew up in Louisiana. In the southern part of the state, people have the "Cajun" accent. In the northern part of the state, they sound southern, a blend of Mississippi and Texas, but not exactly. Each state (and parts thereof) speaks differently. You wouldn't think one language could sound so different, especially when you factor in Canadian English, Queen's English, Australian English... I like listening to Hawaiians speak English. They pronounce vowels the way they do in Hawaiian, and that gives English words a flavor all their own. Delightful! They also tend to place emphasis on an ending syllable when, on the mainland, emphasis is on the beginning syllable. Fascinating! I wonder if anyone out there actually likes a southern accent??? LOL

Added: Friday 13 July 2012 10:27:58 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"With regard to Ringfire's complaint about the doubles of the original "Knight Rider" releases, I thought I might point out that there is a single-sided complete release available. I think it'd be a great choice."

Yes, I do believe I've heard of this. I've actually rented some DVDs of MAGNUM P.I. from Netflix and they are single-sided too (despite originally being released double-sided - same as KNIGHT RIDER and THE A-TEAM). But I already have all 4 seasons of KNIGHT RIDER on the double-sided DVDs so I have no plans of double-dipping to replace these. For the most part they play fine. I'm okay with that.

Added: Friday 13 July 2012 10:20:01 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: yep, nc all my life....

"Danno was no local boy. He mispronounced toooo many local placenames and words to be mistaken for anything but FOB." Kimo, regarding the topic of Hawaiian pronunciation, while I have never been to Hawaii (yes, I'm deprived!), I was born and have lived in NC most of my adult life, and having traveled across this state, I can state with confidence that the accent and pronunciation of many words varies here in NC, depending where you are. So, do Hawaiian pronunciations and/dialect differ depending on what island you are on? Where I'm going with this is.....could some of Danno's "mispronunciations" as you call them simply be different b/c he grew up in a different area of the islands than you did? You might think is silly, but it's not. Come to NC and just observe the various accents just in this state ALONE. :!thinking: Now, JL's McG...he REALLY pronounced some words differently, and not just Hawaiian either. Remember the ep when he says "CA-sette" instead of "ca-SETTE?" There are other instances that my memory can't access right now.

Added: Friday 13 July 2012 08:45:06 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Kimo, the only argument machine that refuses to learn is you. You're the one starting an argument, not me. I didn't make up any of the comments I wrote about Danno's background. It it is all information I got from the show. I stated that the writers wrote and what was stated in the dialogue. To deny that those words were even spoken shows how little you pay attention and how arrogant you are. Don't educate me because you need to be educated yourself. Whatever information you provide is meaningless, because of your nasty attitude. Since you continue to write in such a nasty manner, none of your "educating" has any credibility with me. So go ahead, if you makes you happy to write in such a mean-spirited manner and if it makes you look so perfect and all-knowing, go do it. People who act like you will only wind up more miserable.

Added: Friday 13 July 2012 08:38:55 MST


Submitted by: Elaine
From: Watertown, MA

With regards to Harry O...it was one of my fav series after the Fugitive. I adored David Janssen and have the DVD's for the first two seasons of The Fugitive. Harry was a great character and the stories were well written and well-acted with many guest stars. I don't know if it was after Harry O or before, but Jansen also starred in a short-lived series where he was a treasury agent...can't remember the name of it...but it was also pretty good. So I would recommend the DVD's of Harry O to anyone.... I have put them on my list for Christmas.

Working my way through the 150 classic westerns. Last night I watched two eps of Sergeant Preston of the Yukon and Fury! As soon as the music started to play...I felt like I was right back in my childhood! The video and audio quality of the Fury episode was not particularly good, but that series is really, really old, so I wasn't surprised at the poor quality. But Sergeant Preston was in color and the quality was excellent...so it had obviously been digitially remastered. I don't remember it being in color when I was growing up, but then again, we didn't get a color TV set until the mid-seventies!

Boy, were we all so gullible when we were kids! Last night I watched Fury untie Joey's hands on command. "Fury, untie me!". Wow! After 30 years with my horse, I doubt he could have done that. His vocabulary wasn't that big! But it was fun to watch, even if it stretched credibility....like some of the Five-O episodes...where McGarrett makes these leaps of faith to nab the criminals....what was that great line from Honor is an Unmarked Grave where Eileen Heckart (Agatha Henderson) asks McGarrett if he has ESP? And he says. "No, but I'm thinking of having it installed! It would save a lot of time!" And how!

HFO 1.0 Forever, I don't know any real police officers that have put criminals away for various offenses, but I would imagine that when these officers retire, they may have some misgivings about retribution from people they've put away. Which is why I have only the highest regard for our members in Blue AND their families...because not only do they put their lives on the line each and every day, but their families are sometimes at risk as well from people who want to hurt back. So I suspect that some of them would worry about possible revenging behavior.....Just saying...

Added: Friday 13 July 2012 08:19:24 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

I love the way Kimo comes on here and insults people with his thin skin. "Chris" came on here one time and said that Kimo was a white boy masquerading as a native islander which is why I always laugh at his little tantrums like the one below.

Kimo, I think I speak for everyone here on your little diatribes. Please STFU. ( Sorry Mike, but he comes on and it always degenerates into the same old same old with him, insulting other posters-if he came to the mainland which he detests so much-he wouldn't last long.)

Added: Friday 13 July 2012 07:51:33 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Kimo, you can catch more flies with honey than you can with vinegar. Your students will learn more, too. Frankly, I would be as pleased as punch that someone wanted to learn as much about my homeland as we want to learn about yours.

Added: Friday 13 July 2012 07:44:34 MST


Submitted by: Ben Masters
From: Fountain Inn, SC

With regard to Ringfire's complaint about the doubles of the original "Knight Rider" releases, I thought I might point out that there is a single-sided complete release available. I think it'd be a great choice.

Added: Friday 13 July 2012 02:59:13 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

"They didn't say" " "I didn't say anywhere" gawd. What a mindnumbingly retarded adolescent freakshow.

"the fact that the writers established him as being from Hawaii." " uh. they did not perform that function. "the fact remains that the storyline established him as a local" nooo. Absolutely, emphatically, they did not do that. As a local, I am here today to educate you. (although there is no educating a stubborn professional argument machine who refuses to learn.) The series did NOT establish Danno as a local boy. If you think so, then you are painfully ignorant of what "local boy" means here. But then who cares about what the general populace of the origin of the series in question thinks? No one? Nothing? I thought not.

Added: Friday 13 July 2012 00:20:44 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

That doesn't change the fact that the backstory said he was a local boy. They didn't say he had been on the island for a decade, either. They said he went to school there, and in "Most Likely to Murder," it's established he went to high school there. That would have been more than ten years earlier.

The continuity wasn't kept up in later episodes, but the fact remains that the storyline established him as a local. I didn't say anywhere that because the storyline established Danno as a local, that he pronounced words correctly, but that doesn't change the fact that the writers established him as being from Hawaii. The backstory they write and how Danno pronounced Hawaiian words are two different things controlled by different people. He can pronounce words as a FOB, as you describe him, but that doesn't change the facts as the writers created them.

Added: Thursday 12 July 2012 13:55:46 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

Danno was no local boy. He mispronounced toooo many local placenames and words to be mistaken for anything but FOB. It may have been written in the script or backstory that he has been on island for a decade or two. But this does not make him at all kama'aina. You can take da haole outta the mainland but ya cant take da mainland outta da haole.

Added: Thursday 12 July 2012 12:07:21 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

(website) better than nothing, even though some of the phrases might be "off." If some of the phrases are off, then nothing it better. This is the haole way of learning. "I want one web site where I can learn Hawaiian language no matter how jaundiced or watered down or unauthentic the perspective, and the Hawaiian language web site I learn from better be made by some haole couple in Pennsylvania!" It does not work and islanders prefer people just leave it alone rather than ascribe mainland methods of learning Hawaiian culture: "this word mans this word. That word translates to that word" No. 'a'ole! Not right, not pono, not the way to do it at all. Why learn it wrong? from a wrong source? I don't understand.

Added: Thursday 12 July 2012 11:55:15 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

"He exchanges a few lines with Ben which leaves Danno (I think) with that stupid look on his face, which tells us that Danno made very little effort with 'island immersion.'"

And in "King of the Hill," the newscaster says that Danno is a local boy. He should have picked up some Hawaiian then.

Added: Thursday 12 July 2012 10:45:37 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

"I am still stuck with that chore, beware the cliffnotes shortcut to learning an involved language that cannot be picked up via a web site. It's immersion."

I afraid you're right, Kimo....to do a decent job of picking up any foreign language, you really need to "be there" (aloha)...I couldn't resist!!! :D I tried to pronounce a few of those phrases and was left scratching my bald head!! But, if you can't drop $10K on a trip to Hawaii, it's (website) better than nothing, even though some of the phrases might be "off."

Speaking of picking up "the language", one of my fav scenes in the original is when an islander spouts a few native lines and then either McG or Danno or someone else gets that puzzled look on their faces, which is classic 5-0's way of inserting some humor. I think it specifically occurs in the ep "Death is a Company Policy" whereby George Chakiris plays Chris Lanani, the "mob plant" by Bryce Halsey Ltd. He exchanges a few lines with Ben which leaves Danno (I think) with that stupid look on his face, which tells us that Danno made very little effort with "island immersion."

Added: Thursday 12 July 2012 09:52:12 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: lanikai

"I've never seen "Harry O". Apparently, Amazon doesn't show single episodes, and I'd rather not buy the set without seeing an ep" why depend on amazon as your sole saviour?! try hulu. or netflix. or google: "watch ep of hwrry O" -- Time to expand yer horizons.

Added: Wednesday 11 July 2012 21:54:59 MST


Submitted by: Maxine
From: Brooklyn

I love HARRY O. The best episodes of it are truly excellent. I think my favorite is "Group Terror" which is actually from Season 2 and has Harry go undercover as an alcoholic in Group Therapy.

The show's premise was similar to that of THE ROCKFORD FILES, with one difference being (as mentioned in the press release) Janssen is hopping a bus to get around instead of driving a cool Firebird.

It had two pilots, the one named in the press release which starred Martin Sheen (1973), and a second one that featured a young Jodie Foster and future Woody Allen actress and now cabaret singer Andrea Marcovicci (1974).

Many, many H5O guest stars or regulars popped up in HARRY O. To name a few, in the first season there's Michael Strong, Paul Burke, Juliet Mills, Linda Marsh, Sharon Farrell, Will Kulova and Sal Mineo among others.

It's noteworthy that Farrah Fawcett played Harry's neighbor, since the show that took HARRY O's time slot when it was cancelled in 1976 was none other than CHARLIE'S ANGELS.

Added: Wednesday 11 July 2012 20:04:36 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

I've never seen "Harry O". Apparently, Amazon doesn't show single episodes, and I'd rather not buy the set without seeing an episode, preferably the pilot episode. Do you know where I can watch one?

Added: Wednesday 11 July 2012 16:27:49 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Is this show of interest to anyone? Just released by Warner Archive. I notice a few Five-O guest stars mentioned:

HARRY O — THE COMPLETE FIRST SEASON (1974-1975) Few TV stars were as special as David Janssen, and few shows as special as Harry O. Following his culture-changing and world-record creating performance as Richard Kimble in The Fugitive, Janssen was looking for something different for his return to primetime programming. Inspired by a passage in Nathaniel West’s Day of the Locust, an elegiac description of a sweat-stained, weary man trudging down a Southern California road with suit coat draped over his shoulder, writer Howard Rodman created a decidedly different detective in Harry Orwell. Forced off the force thanks to a bullet lodged near his spine, the former police detective gets by on his disability pension and the occasional private detecting gig ("100 bucks a day. Plus expenses”). No flashy car for the downtrodden Harry — he’s as apt to get around town by bus as he is on foot. But he’s as savvy as he is sophisticated, and though he might have to avoid the slugfests, he can crack any case. Even if it sometimes breaks his heart.

Six-Disc, 22-Episode Collection features the entire first season, co-starring Henry Darrow and Anthony Zerbe. The second half of the season also features a pre-superstar Farrah Fawcett-Majors in a recurring role as Harry’s comely beach bunny-next-door. Special guests include Stefanie Powers, Linda Evans, Martin Sheen, and Cab Calloway. Special Bonus: Original Pilot: Such Dust as Dreams Are Made On

Added: Wednesday 11 July 2012 15:08:04 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

"just so Kimo doesn't have to single-handedly bear the burden of educating us haoles in the language, here's a neat site chocked full of vocab and phrases and other cool resources too." I am still stuck with that chore, beware the cliffnotes shortcut to learning an involved language that cannot be picked up via a web site. It's immersion. Even people who live here are still learning the nuances of the Hawaiian language. besides, one word translation on Hawaiian 'olelo comes up short. doesn't work. So many pronunciations on that page are erroneous. I appreciate the valiant philanthropic attempt at helping people towards an understanding of this but then if one depends on something like that site, people will say things like 'well Ala wai" means this only!" and that don't work.

Added: Wednesday 11 July 2012 13:50:59 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

sept 24 five o season premiere?

long long wait

Added: Wednesday 11 July 2012 13:39:02 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Elaine, The Vashon story turned out real well. The writing was crisp and moved along very well. If we have another writing challenge (no time soon), maybe you can join us. Your scenario sounds great! It also raises a question I've been unable to find an answer to: Do retired detectives really live in fear of such revenge scenarios? Do they have to move away and essentially hide from the men/women they've put away?

Added: Wednesday 11 July 2012 11:57:32 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

Grandstand Play gets my vote for best character development in a two-parter...with Three Dead Cows getting honorable mention.

Just so Kimo doesn't have to single-handedly bear the burden of educating us haoles in the language, here's a neat site chocked full of vocab and phrases and other cool resources too. Found it interesting that it also has the Lord's Prayer translated. http://www.alohafriends.com/words.html

As far as the ep titles, I personally would prefer if they would show them in Hawaiian and subtitled in English below. But I would REALLY like it if the cast would stop chewing their lines. DDK is the best at avoiding this faux pas (IMO). I think it has actually become sort of a contest between the main 4 as to who can eclipse whom in this effort.

Added: Wednesday 11 July 2012 10:05:59 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Ed Asner is returning in the third season. From TV Guide via H50undercover.com:

Got any Hawaii Five-0 scoop not related to McGarrett's mom? ? Melissa

ADAM: You mean you don't want to know that McGarrett's recently MIA galpal Catherine shamelessly flirts with a witness protection agent to get details on Mama McGarrett's whereabouts? OK, fine: I also hear that Ed Asner's art collector/smuggler August March will be back this season. McGarrett will call on him when a band of armed thieves knock over a years-old art gallery and make off with a couple of priceless paintings. However, the simple heist eventually gives way to a kidnapping, a hostage situation and a deadly shootout.

Added: Wednesday 11 July 2012 10:02:05 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I believe my love for season 1 of FIVE-0 is well documented here. I just looked up the Emmy nominations/wins for 1969 (on IMDB) and our show got 2 Emmy nominations at the end of that inaugural season. No wins unfortunately. But it was nice to see the 2 noms. They were for Frank Phillips for Outstanding Achievement in Cinematography (for the episode "Up Tight";) and for Morton Stevens for Outstanding Achievement in Musical Composition (for the pilot episode "Cocoon). Of course Morty would go on and win the Emmy the following year for "A Thousand Pardons - You're Dead!"

Love these little FIVE-0 tidbits.

Added: Wednesday 11 July 2012 09:23:38 MST


Submitted by: Elaine
From: Watertown, MA

Oops! My bad! So sorry Rainbow....I meant my last comment for you but I wrote Ringfire by mistake! It's tough getting old....where is Medicare when you need it?

Anyway, I have also wondered about the music that accompanied many of the end of Five-O eps. It's been played many times (Once Upon A Time - when McGarrett's sister runs out to him and hugs him after the trial of that quack doctor) and in many, many more eps. I always assumed it's what Mr. Mike titled the Trumbone Theme....but I've never been able to listen to any of the music here on his site because of this old computer of mine. So, Mr. Mike, what is that music? Da Da... Da Da Da.....Da Da Da....Da Da Da Daaaaaa....

HFO-Forever ----speaking of sequellae....I wasn't able to participate in the great Five-O writing weekend you had last....with the Vashon's...how did that turn out? I am curious because I wrote a script for a Vashon sequel (poor McGarrett, retired and living in Vermont as an organic farmer, cannot escape his nemesis, Honore Vashon, who, after 20 years was released from Oahu State Prison because of poor health (old and still insane)--ala The Case Against McGarrett. And of course, Vashon still blames Mc for the death of his son and his father, so it's revenge time. My script is entitled "A Dish Best Served Cold" (apologies to Ahab!). Does anyone remember from The Wrath of Khan, when Khan is arming the Genesis device and swearing at Kirk...he's quoting, of course, from Moby Dick. Some of the best prose ever written!

Aloha

Added: Wednesday 11 July 2012 08:28:07 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

No, Rainbow Warrior, I never explored those characters. Goodness knows, that father had his hands full with a son who would never grow up. Our prayers have to go out to parents living with handicapped children. It is not an easy cross to bear, but it's not easy for the children, either.

Added: Wednesday 11 July 2012 08:19:49 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Mike,

I watched the "Grandstand Play" yesterday, and the closing theme that they played at the end, and they played at the end of most, but not all, of the old Five-O shows what is the "official" title of that theme???....It always gave me chills at the end of each show. It's a variation of the main title theme, but I was wondering if it had anothe name besides "generic show closing theme."

Was anybody else really impressed by the "Grandstand Play" as I was?....I liked how they took their time to develop the story and emotions and seemed to be focusing on needing terrific acting rather than action in this two parter?

H50 Forever: In all your years of doing and running fan fiction did you or anyone ever come up with a storyline of what happened to Pernell Roberts and his son for the rest of their lives that they lived in Hawaii?

Added: Wednesday 11 July 2012 07:39:15 MST


Submitted by: Elaine
From: Watertown, MA, USA

Thanks everyone for the info on the quality of your Five-O DVD's. I take very good care of my DVD's...make sure I handle them carefully so they don't get scratched, but I admit to having watched Seasons 1-9 many many times now and maybe I'm just wearing them out! A Capital Crime from Season 9 has always been one of my favorites and that's the ep that froze and refuses to play anymore. I don't have another player and my computer (dinosaur) has dial-up service so I cannot play DVD's or watch YouTube videos (I am thankful for the latter, though!).

I bought this maverick set of classic westerns from Heartland America....150 western classics from series such as The Cisco Kid, Sky King, The Lone Ranger, Buffalo Bill Jr., Fury, Judge Roy Bean, The Range Rider, Wide Country, Shotgun Slade, Red Ryder, Roy Rogers, Sergeant Preston of the Yukon, Sugarfoot, U.S. Marshall, Northwest Passage, Frontier Doctor and Stoney Burke. I bought the set because they pictured Jack Lord on the cover and led me to believe that there would be several of the Stoney Burke eps included. But alas, there's only 1 episode, entitled "Point of Entry". I never watched Stoney Burke when it was originally aired, so I wanted to see what JL's character was like pre-McGarrett. Stoney was a goody-two shoes rodeo champion cowboy with a somewhat virginal attitude...he didn't smoke or drink "likker", and he was polite to the point of being almost nauseating! Except for his belief in Truth, Justice and the American Way, he was definitely no McGarrett! Stoney was very mild-mannered to say the least! Can't tell too much from just one ep, but I can sort of see why the series didn't catch on. I've known a few "cowboys" in my day and Stoney was a little too different. Anyway, the quality of the black and white episode was incredibly poor...lots of fading and over-exposures so that you couldn't see some of the action....but the plot was basically ok. I watched an episode of SugarFoot after that and the quality of the WB-produced episode was much better. There are 22 episodes of the Cisco Kid!

Anyway, thanks for the advice and your thoughts.

P.S. Ringfire....we have lots of funeral homes in Watertown...I live next to one of the well-known Armenian parlors. Within one town block, there are two Armenian funeral homes and one Greek....Life Short Call Now, as Buffett would say. The fact that you now consider yourself a New Yorker is fine by me. I am not a crazy sports fanatic...my best friend is a Yankees devotee....each to their own! Aloha!

Added: Wednesday 11 July 2012 05:40:42 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

Mr. Mike, Kimo and Lenkov all in one meeting. MUST be there to see that!

Seriously, Mr. Mike, let me know if/when you will be in Hawaii. I am headed that way, too.

Added: Tuesday 10 July 2012 22:59:00 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

RE: Perry Mason. Yes I believe you are right, Mr. Mike. I do believe they did display the episode titles during the opening theme. In fact I'm positive they did.

Have you forgotten "The Case of the Anal Analyst"? ;)

Added: Tuesday 10 July 2012 11:51:04 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Considering the written Perry Mason stories all had alliterative titles like "The Case of the Peripatetic Proctologist" or "The Case of the Nerdy Nymphomaniac," I am surprised if they didn't have those titles at the beginning of the TV shows. (It's been many years since I've watched any Perry Mason shows, though I think they are running them on MeTV now...) :!thinking:

Added: Tuesday 10 July 2012 09:36:18 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"where the titles were not identified in the opening credits or by some stern-voiced announcer?"

RE: the stern-voiced announcer... TONIGHT'S EPISODE... MOST FEARED IN THE JUNGLE!! :D That of course was from THE STREETS OF SAN FRANCISCO. But not only was the episode title announced by said stern-voiced announcer but also the guest stars. Gotta love those Quinn Martin shows!

As for episode titles being displayed on screen I know that the first few episodes of BONANZA did not display them but by the middle of season 1 they started displaying them. That was 1960. Don't remember any show prior to that displaying episode titles. Maybe PERRY MASON? Can't recall. But from 1960 onwards it was pretty much standard practice - with a few exceptions along the way. MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE, for example, did not display them. At least not in the first 3 seasons - which is where I am right now. Also THE BIG VALLEY did not display them for its first few episodes but then began displaying them by episode 6 or so. That was 1965. Then throughout the 70s and 80s and into the 90s most shows had them. I know WALKER TEXAS RANGER, DIAGNOSIS MURDER, and the like had them. I guess it was towards the late 90s/early 00s when it became cool to not display them. With a frenetic show like "24" where one episode flows right into the next and it's all one story it makes sense to not display them but with episodic shows there is no reason to exclude them. I mean you're obviously labeling these episodes anyway so why not display it?

Added: Tuesday 10 July 2012 09:32:33 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

One place I was considering going for a holiday this year was Hawaii. If this comes to pass, maybe Kimo and I should team up for a meeting with Lenkov. Kimo can "eddycate" him on the use of Hawaiian terminology, I can try and inveigle a position as script supervisor. :D

Added: Tuesday 10 July 2012 09:12:55 MST


Submitted by: Hoosiergirl
From: NapTown

Mike Gordon's column from Nov 2010 sheds light on the thought process behind the ep titles and who does the translations.

bit.ly/OW1B4X

They aren't randomly generated and the translations come from, as Mike said, academic types who seemingly should have enough Hawaiian cred to be culturally correct.

Not sure why Kimo, who seems to be all knowing of things Hawaiian, was never consulted by Lenkov. Must have been an oversight.

Added: Tuesday 10 July 2012 06:54:42 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kimoville

...trying to enjoy the new show and for the most part, can and do. but dayum. With the main team ostensibly all kama'aina but pronouncing sooo many local words like FOBs it is frikkin distracting. I am still trying to get past the el confuso nonsensical titling. (which goes a long way towards helping non locals to learn junk they will be ill prepared to unlearn) Now this. each and every week. It's like bowling balls occasionally being lobbed into a tennis match.

Added: Tuesday 10 July 2012 01:01:33 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I read somewhere a while ago that the title translations are prepared by academic types. Episode titles based on the names of scripts have been around for quite a while (even Peter Gunn, which I anal-yzed, had them, and that was from the late 50's/early 60's). Does anyone recall if there were any shows in the "old days" (other than those like Playhouse 90 and so forth where they >were< identified) where there was was any interest in the names of shows where the titles were not identified in the opening credits or by some stern-voiced announcer? I think one of the shows where this really took off was The X-Files, where the episode names were never seen in the credits but were leaked by the producers and became kind of a cultish obsession with fans of the show, probably the first one to become an Internet phenomenon.

Added: Monday 09 July 2012 22:39:19 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Knowing the new show, anything is possible. How many different translations can there be in one language for the same word? Or the producers going by slang or dialects?

Added: Monday 09 July 2012 20:09:29 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Erroneous translations? I wonder who determines the Hawaiian episode names??? Surely, the writers or producers would have a Hawaiian check for accuracy before the names are shown on the air. Is that not happening?

Added: Monday 09 July 2012 17:43:54 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Ovah deah.

"Nice post, Kimo. Do you really have to be the resident annoyance?" I admit to a too militant stance often... e kala mai. Sorry, ah. Yea the Hawaiian titles are not nedded. It serves little purpose especially as too frequently, they are either meaningless, mistranslated, all h50 web sites and facebook pages display differing translations... i say chuckitall.

Added: Monday 09 July 2012 13:03:59 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

I think the Hawaiian episode titles are appropriate, but it would be equally appropriate to show the English translations, as well.

Added: Monday 09 July 2012 12:16:48 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I have nothing but the highest praise for the HAWAII FIVE-0 DVDs. Alongside my "24" season 1-8 set and my "Ultimate Edition James Bond" collection the FIVE-0 DVDs are my most prized possession (as far as my DVD collection goes). And like "24" and "Ultimate Edition James Bond" the FIVE-0 DVDs are of the highest picture quality (especially season 1 which almost pops off the screen) - amazing for a show from that era. They really went to town remastering the series. Kudos!

Likewise I've encountered no defects whatsoever when it comes to playing these DVDs. No freezes, skips, stops, etc. And this when being played on my dinky old DVD player which cost no more than $15.00 when I purchased it some 8 years ago. Brand name you guys probably never even heard of - JSI. So yeah, nothing but praise for the season 1-8 FIVE-0 DVDs that I currently own. Granted the picture quality was less than perfect in a few of the later season episodes but overall a quality product. Compare this to the double-sided (ugghh!!) KNIGHT RIDER discs that I own - those definitely have a tendency to freeze or skip. Not so with FIVE-0.

Added: Monday 09 July 2012 09:46:30 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Those Hawaiian titles are meaningless and don't serve whatever purpose for which they are intended. They are not even shown in each episode, and the only way anyone would ever know about them is by looking them up in episode descriptions on the Internet. Even then, only Hawaiians and non-native speakers who know the language know what those words mean on sight. That the producers are using these Hawaiian titles isn't an example of political correctness. Who would complain of them being culturally-insensitive if the titles were in English?

I think the producers are trying to show that the show has some Hawaiian authenticity, which is sorely lacking initially. They have a main character that doesn't respect Hawaiian culture (Danno), and no native Hawaiians at all in the main cast - except in guest spots as victims and villians, or when Kamekona (Taylor Wily) shows up. As a result, they have to inject something of Hawaiian culture into the show to make it look like they are acknowledging the local culture respectfully. I don't think it helps.

Added: Monday 09 July 2012 08:11:48 MST


Submitted by: Oscar van Hemel
From: Seattle, WA

Nice post, Kimo. Do you really have to be the resident annoyance? Not everyone around here knows "the basics" as to what Hawaiian words mean. Using them for episode titles for the new show is kind of cute and no doubt makes the locals think that someone cares about how the show is created in these politically correct times. But for people like myself, they are just confusing. Which show is "Kaele"? Oh, that is the Ed Asner episode. How about "Po'ipu"? Oh, that is the first season show with the Asian dictator. Etc., etc.

Added: Monday 09 July 2012 06:40:57 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

"According to our Hawaiian friend Monica, the title of "La O Na Makuahine" translates to "Mother's Day."" that was too damned easy. we don't need "our Hawaiian friend Monica," to tell anyone who is a fan of a Hawaii based TV show what that means. Everyone should know the basics by now; makuahine is mother. la is day. na is owned by or possessed by. This ain't news, people. Or is nothing retained at all?

Added: Monday 09 July 2012 03:06:14 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

From Five-O Undercover:

Executive producer Peter Lenkov teased Hawaii Five-0 fans with the title page from the show's first episode of Season 3. According to our Hawaiian friend Monica, the title of "La O Na Makuahine" translates to "Mother's Day."

http://www.50undercover.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/613789306.jpg

Since the second season ended with Steve McGarrett discovering that his "dead" mother was very much alive, we should be prepared for a huge dose of emotional mother-son drama for episode 3.01.

Mike Gordon of the Star Advertiser reported that Daniel Dae Kim would not be back from his travels in time for the Season 3 blessing ceremony, but Hawaii News Now has said that Christine Lahti will attend. That sounds like the first day back on the set will focus on Lahti (Doris McGarrett,) and Alex O'Loughlin (Steve McGarrett) as mother and son reunite. Hopefully Grace Park will be on hand for the traditional blessing, as Scott Caan may also be MIA. Caan is wrapping up his play, "No Way Around But Through" later tonight in southern California.

Hawaii News Now (http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/) will begin their live broadcast of the opening day blessing ceremony at 5:00 a.m Hawaii time.

Added: Sunday 08 July 2012 12:06:31 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I never had any problems with the DVDs from any of the Five-O sets, though once when I bought the set in the store, I opened it up right away and a couple of the disks looked kind of crappy, like they were scratched or had some junk on them. So I exchanged the set right in the store at the time.

DVD players normally have a very high tolerance for defects. I have bought some DVDs from the library that they were throwing out that looked like someone had dragged them on the street and they played OK.

Best solution is like Vrinda suggests, to check the DVDs on another player (I have about half a dozen DVD players in my house, of which only 2-3 are in use at the moment, for example).

If you find that the disk won't play on more than one player, then I would suspect the disk. This might not be a good sign if the disk has been well cared for; it might mean that the disk itself is disintegrating or something. I don't know much about the life span of a typical DVD disk or whether there are any known problems of this nature with the Five-O discs.

Added: Sunday 08 July 2012 10:41:29 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Hi Elaine,

I didn't have any problems with season two or three, but the season one disc five was totally blank when I popped it in last year, as they forgot to put the four episodes on it. I had to get a replacement set for season one just to get the four missing episodes.

BTW, I know and love Watertown! My Dad worked there when I was a kid in the 1970's, and my Uncle originally from California settled there briefly because he is Armenian. I went to a beautiful funeral service for his sister in Watertown when she passed away many years ago. I don't miss Boston though, except for the Celtics who I will always love. I consider myself a New Yorker now.

Added: Sunday 08 July 2012 10:30:48 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Hi, Elaine,

I'm on Season 5, and have not had the kind of trouble you did - to that extent. In the middle of two episodes, the DVD player froze up - once each time. I had to shut it off, turn it on again, go back to the main menu, select the same episode, and fast forward to the part where I was originally. I don't think it was the DVD's fault, since I played those same episodes on those same DVDs on my computer, and they worked fine.

Our DVD player wasn't working properly for a while, then we got it fixed, so the freeze-up might be the player getting used to playing DVDs again.

I'd suggest playing those DVDs on your computer, or on another DVD player - if you have a second one or know someone who will let you use theirs - to see if they do the same thing.

Added: Sunday 08 July 2012 09:42:22 MST


Submitted by: Elaine
From: Watertown, MA

Just wondering if anyone out there is having trouble with the Five-O DVD's? One of the DVD's from Season * has failed and refuses to play anymore. Last night, the fourth disc from Season 9 also failed and stopped playing. I have tried other DVD's in my player and everything seems to be working fine, so it seems to be the poor quality of the Five-O DVD's that is the problem. My DVD player is a relatively new Toshiba and has been working well for all my other series, so, has anyone experienced anything similar with their Five-O's??

Added: Sunday 08 July 2012 05:23:05 MST


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

I just wanted to also say how much I loved and respected the great Ross Martin - He really did make THE WILD WILD WEST what it was - also, his Tony Alika was first-rate in FIVE-0.

There was also Ross (and his voice) giving life to the Robot in 1958's THE COLLOSSUS OF NEW YORK - that movie always creeps me out...:)

Added: Friday 06 July 2012 17:55:33 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Ross Martin was good in everything he did. It's sad that Hollywood chose to ignore him after he had a heart attack. They thought he was a health risk. Without him, The WWW would not have made it.

Though his pretending to be Hawaiian was authentic, I thought it would have worked just as well if he has played it straight. From some of the impersonations Ross did on The WWW, that is a given. Like Mike mentioned earlier, Ross was the killer in Experiment in Terror, and that was a complete turnaround from Tony Alika.

Added: Friday 06 July 2012 12:24:38 MST


Submitted by: Hoosiergirl
From: NapTown

I'm sure you'll all be thrilled to hear this. Season 3 of Hawaii Five-0 starts filming on Monday, July 9th with a blessing carried live by Hawaii News Now. Info here...

bit.ly/RrwQof

Added: Friday 06 July 2012 11:37:08 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Yeah, I loved Ross Martin as Alika. Loved how he would laugh at and taunt McGarrett. Also loved the way he pronounced "Billy Swan". :D

Added: Friday 06 July 2012 11:05:10 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

And of course, the main 5-0/WWW connection was Big Ross himself. He was actually my fav character in WWW, not Conrad. Him and his kooky impersonations. He sure was sleazy in 5-0 though....didn't know he had that "side" to him. Thanks for allowing me to redeem my OT comment, Mr. Mike.

Added: Friday 06 July 2012 09:17:40 MST


Submitted by: Bill K.
From: Detroit area

Five-O/Wild, Wild West connections....

****They shared the same music (Five-O season 1, WWW season 4)****

Richard Shores "sneaky" music in WWW's fourth-season opener (The Night of the Big Blackmail) shows up in The Box (pre-titles sequence).

Morton Stevens' "wave" music for episode two (Strangers in Our Own Land, end of Act I) shows up as "box" music in The Wild Wild West (end of Act II in The Night of the Winged Terror Part II).

Shores' "scary" music at the start of Act I of The Night of the Kraken shows up in The Big Kahuna when "Kali" appears to Sam Kalakua (John Marley).

Explanation is simple. Both were in-house productions of CBS and both had access to the CBS music library.

Added: Thursday 05 July 2012 16:46:38 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Five-0 reference in KNIGHT RIDER: Theodore Bikel played a villain in both shows. Just minding my Ps and Qs, Mr. Mike. :o

Added: Thursday 05 July 2012 13:59:13 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I am not as concerned as I used to be about "off topic" posting, since we are now in the doldrums for the new show (some would say the doldrums started in September 2010). :p

BUT ... if you are gonna make an OT posting, there should be at least one Five-O reference in it (I don't care how obscure)! :p

Added: Thursday 05 July 2012 11:15:54 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"but a talking car (with the voice of William Daniels!) is pretty freaky too! (I had to get you!)"

No deals, Big H! ;) KNIGHT RIDER had an advanced car with artificial intelligence (we have artificial intelligence by the way in our advanced robotics world) but aside from that it was Michael and KITT battling typical baddies - industrial saboteurs, thieves, hijackers, mobsters - that type of thing. No sorcerers or monsters or witches or pea-sized villains in sight. KNIGHT RIDER never veered drastically into some HARRY POTTER territory or what have you. It was a typical action/adventure/crime drama show where the only catch was a car with artificial intelligence - voiced by William Daniels!! Woo-hoo!!

Added: Thursday 05 July 2012 10:41:49 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

"Yes I understand that WILD WILD WEST wasn't meant to be a typical western. But still it was too bizarre for me and not to my liking."

Ringfire, it was a good "kid's show" and hey, I was a kid in the late 60s. If you're familiar with the story of Twain's "Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, it (WWW) is like James Bond gets hit on the head and wakes up in the 1870s west working for Prz Grant. That's about the best way I can 'splain WWW. But yes, it was bizarre, but a talking car (with the voice of William Daniels!) is pretty freaky too! (I had to get you!) :p Sorry for off-topic, Mr. Mike.

Added: Thursday 05 July 2012 10:15:33 MST


Submitted by: Bill K.
From: Detroit area

HMSS on The Andy Griffith/Hawaii Five-O/007 mashup

http://bit.ly/P8w0OE

It's a look at I'm a Family Crook -- Don't Shoot! The 007 component consists of Jack Lord and Harold Sakata.

Added: Thursday 05 July 2012 06:38:02 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

IMPORTANT NOTICE TO MEMBERS OF "MEMORIES OF 'HAWAII FIVE-0'" AND "REMEMBERING JACK LORD" WEBSITES:

DUE TO COPYRIGHT RESTRICTIONS, I MUST ASK YOU TO REMOVE YOUR MEMBER PHOTO, UNLESS IT IS A PICTURE OF YOU OR ONE YOU TOOK. SORRY, BUT THAT'S THE WAY IT HAS TO BE.

SUGGESTIONS: DID YOU TAKE A PICTURE OF A GLORIOUS SUNSET? SHARE A PHOTO OF YOUR NEW BABY OR GRANDBABY. YOU'LL FIND A GOOD ONE TO WHICH YOU OWN THE COPYRIGHT.

MAHALO!

P.S. I'm not screaming, just attracting attention.

Added: Wednesday 04 July 2012 13:02:08 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

Just wanted to wish everyone here a very Happy Fourth of July.

Our grandson finished a tour in Afghanistan and was sent directly to Germany. Didn't think we would get to see him for a while but he came home for a surprise visit. My step-daughter (his mom) just finished a class at nursing school and when she came out of class, someone handed her a bouquet of flowers. She asked who they were from and he pointed to her son who was standing off in the distance in uniform. She dropped her books and made a beeline and practically tackled him. So it's a good Fourth of July.

Enjoy the day and stay safe.

Added: Wednesday 04 July 2012 07:52:29 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Pittsburgh

Speaking of the passing of Andy Griffith, I am reminded of the recent passing of Don Grady of "My Three Sons," another childhood favorite of mine. As a tribute, Me TV ran the episode featuring Sharon Farrell as Robbie's girlfriend. She came across as very different from her later 5-0 days!

Added: Tuesday 03 July 2012 21:18:55 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I have finished my re-anal-ysis of season two:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/2010-log1.htm

Shows which I revisited have a green comment about being "UPDATED."

I actually finished this year ahead of last year, when I watched the last show for the second time on July 10th!

I did not like the final episode nearly as much as the first time I saw it. The whole business with Delano masterminding the execution of Fryer and much else from his prison cell was ridiculous.

Added: Tuesday 03 July 2012 19:36:09 MST


Submitted by: kimo
From: here

Vinyl and nitrile protective surgical gloves are available in black, blue, purple and even a silver color. To me the elements suggest a more commanding visual as opposed to a kinda baby blue glove. Chin is a mans man!

Added: Tuesday 03 July 2012 16:17:04 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

These were not blue gloves like they wear when they are examining evidence, but black ones which suggest they were designed to keep Chin's hands from getting burned by the machine gun-like rifle he was using.

Added: Tuesday 03 July 2012 14:56:26 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

Chin would be able to detect a pulse if he were wearing new surgical gloves, but not with his Harley biker gloves. Latest advances in surgical glove technology generally afford: "right combination of fit, feel, tactile sensitivity, strength and value in a latex-free exam glove. With the latest available surgica gloves, you can feel a baby’s pulse, experience comfort, and have the strength and protection you need."

Added: Tuesday 03 July 2012 14:07:30 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Pretty funny -- in the last show of season two, after Five-0 breaks into the veterinary clinic where the nasty villainess has been getting medical attention, Chin Ho touches the throat of the receptionist who the villainess shot to determine if she has a pulse (she is dead). But Chin is wearing gloves!

Added: Tuesday 03 July 2012 13:47:54 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

What Vrinda said is true. I might add that emphasis might have been shifted away from McGarrett and to the other detectives for another reason, too. There had been criticism that JL was dominating every scene, while the other actors trotted along after him. Again, the industry was shifting away from the star system and to the ensemble system. Interestingly, today, we see both systems at work. On NCIS, Mark Harmon is the star (often, the executive producer) and Gibbs is the boss. On NCIS:Los Angeles, we see pretty much equal billing amongst the actors and characters. Has the pendulum swung to the point that one system or the other can be used as best fits the program? I hope so.

Added: Tuesday 03 July 2012 11:24:04 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Vrinda,

Yes I understand that WILD WILD WEST wasn't meant to be a typical western. But still it was too bizarre for me and not to my liking. In one episode West and Gordon are battling a sorcerer played by Victor Buono. In the next they are up against an Indian prince (yes, that's right - "Indian" as in Mumbai, India) who is played by Boris Karloff and who has a Taj Mahal-looking palace right in the middle of the American Southwest. Then we have Ida Lupino playing some mad scientist who creates a Frankenstein's monster version or Jim West - to do her evil bidding. And finally a real doozy - the evil dwarf Dr. Loveless shrinks West to the size of a pea and poor Mr. West ends up being chased by cats and spiders!! Whaaaaaaaaat???!! :!surprised: Yep, that's when I decided I had enough. Click.

Big H,

Yes, very sad about Andy Griffith. Loved the man as if he were my own father. Something about him just appealed to me. America's favorite son he was. I grew up watching THE ANDY GRIFFITH SHOW and MATLOCK so I loved the man's work dearly! One thing that I found really surprising is that Don Knotts (who of course played the awesome Barney Fife) won 5 Emmy awards for his Barney role while poor Andy never even got a single nomination. I understand that Don Knotts was the big draw (I mean who didn't love Barney?) but I thought Andy deserved at least a nomination. Heck, he deserved a win if you ask me. Still, Andy never resented this and remained lifelong pals with Don. Don even played a recurring role as Andy's neighbor on MATLOCK. Those two had great chemistry together!

Added: Tuesday 03 July 2012 11:09:08 MST


Submitted by: RRM
From: Seal Beach

Andy Griffith who portrayed Arnold Lovejoy in Season 5's "I'm a Family Crook - - Don't Shoot" passed away this morning. Mr. Griffith was a great actor and had success on many other shows. Five-O fans are fortunate to have seen him at least in one Five-O episode.

And, if you get the Memorable Entertainment Network Channel (Channel 20 on Direct TV), they are playing the "I'm a Family Crook - - Don't Shoot" epsiode next Wed. on July 11.

Added: Tuesday 03 July 2012 09:39:05 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Hi, Elaine,

I don't know for certain if Jack wanted the script from the later seasons written so that he had less to do, but it wouldn't be out his reach to do so. He was the producer, and had control over the material, so he could have asked the story editor to tell the writers to write storylines that gave Danno and the others more to do, or Jack could have revised the scripts himself to achieve that end.

Jack did say in an interview in 1978, when filiming of the tenth season ended, that he and the cast were getting tired of doing the show and that they were working more than 70 hours, which is grueling for anybody. Since Jack was doing more than just memorizing his lines and filming his scenes, he was worn down even more, hence his age showing. Maybe it was this scenario that prompted him to have McGarrett written as an administrator who guides his men through the gathering and piecing together the evidence, and then makes his conclusion.

Added: Tuesday 03 July 2012 09:21:23 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: Mayberry, RFD

News is reporting the passing of Andy Griffith who portrayed Arnold Lovejoy of Season 5's "I'm a Family Crook--Don't Shoot!" Of course, Andy was the star of "The Andy Griffith Show" -- probably the most famous show to come out of NC. Still watch that show....

RIP, Andy. :!cry:

Added: Tuesday 03 July 2012 09:15:03 MST


Submitted by: Elaine
From: Watertown, MA, USA

Two nickels' worth and a question...

Mike Connors was Armenian and he was proud of it. Back here in Watertown (AKA The Armenian capital of the east coast), they even named streets after him (Mannix Circle!), etc. I remember watching Mannix all those years ago and we all cheered whenever he would bring some of our Armenian culture onto the show...and yes, I do recall him getting bopped on the head just about every episode!

I've been re-watching the original Five-O eps on METV and alternately working on Season Nine of my DVD's. METV is running Season 5 now and yesterday they ran The Jinn Who Clears the Way. This is the Wo Fat episode where Che Fong has smoke coming out of his mouth when he speaks with Danno, after test firing the gun that was found at the crime scene. Now, Harry Endo always maintained that he didn't smoke, so does anyone know where the smoke came from Che's mouth? It is a classically funny moment, but neither JMac or Endo hesitate and just carry on with their lines like nothing weird has happened. I always figured that somehow, the smoke from the test firing of the gun, got inhaled by Che and that's what caused him to belch smoke while speaking to Danny.

Looking at Season 5 and Season 9, there are some real changes, not just in the appearance of JL (he looks decidedly shop worn in some eps, lots of crows feet and his hairline is receding), but also the manner in which he commands Five-O. In Season 5, he's right in there with all the players, taking an active and often lead role in the investigations. But in Season 9, there is a difference although you don't see it in every ep. JL does less physically, and lets his team do most of the leg-work investigating....of course, he's always there at the end for the denouement....but the shift in action is quite noticeable.....I wonder if anyone knows if it was JL's decision to do less physically, or if it was just how the writers worked the scripts? In 1977, JL would have been 56 or 57 and he was definitely beginning to show his age. Maybe he couldn't run down those villains anymore....hence, the more extensive use of his team and his helicopter! By the way, it is true that JL would never actually ride in a helicopter? Were all the helicopter shots with him filmed from a few feet above the ground?

Last night I watched The Bells Toll at Noon and it is one of the best eps ever produced. Rich Little is outstanding and the direction of JL was excellent, backed by a fine script and supporting cast. And a great tribute to James Cagney to boot! By the way, JL's imitation of Cagney (I think it was supposed to be "Cagney" when he tells Chin that he and Danny will be at the Varsity theater and Chin questions him on his going to the movies) is not half bad....sort of a cross between W.C. Fields and Cagney.....ugh!

Added: Tuesday 03 July 2012 05:39:02 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

I had the honor of meeting John Vivyan many years ago. He was traveling in a road production of "The Fantastiks" and came to Ole Miss (Univ. of Mississippi), where I was visiting my cousin. Afterwards, we went backstage to meet him. Nice man!

Added: Tuesday 03 July 2012 02:10:19 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Speaking of The Wild, Wild West, I was watching a Mr. Lucky episode the other day, where Ross Martin plays Andamo, Mr. Lucky's associate. He actually used the phrase "wild, wild west" at one point in the show (of course I forgot to write down specifically which show this was).

Mr. Lucky is an oddball program. It's about an "honest gambler," played by John Vivyan, who has to suddenly leave a Latin American-like country where he runs a casino (the country itself is run by Nehemiah Persoff, who meets a bad end). Then Lucky takes over a ship which is anchored in international waters and turns it into a gambling den. Several episodes in, some woman complains bitterly about the gambling, so then they turn the ship into a high-class restaurant.

In one of the restaurant shows, Frank Gorshin plays a comedian doing impressions (such as he did in real life). Too bad Gorshin never did his impressions in Welcome to Our Branch Office. Gorshin appeared (his last appearance) in a Quentin Tarantino-directed episode of CSI several years ago. He plays himself, and is seen sitting in a restaurant talking to Tony Curtis (who also plays himself!).

As far as Ross Martin is concerned, one of my favorite performances by him is in the Blake Edwards-directed film Experiment in Terror where he plays the archetypal psycho villain with a raspy, asthmatic voice. He kidnaps Stefanie Powers and tells her to take her clothes off. Since this is 1962, she merely strips down to her slip.

Added: Monday 02 July 2012 22:14:57 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

The Wild Wild West was not intended to be a regular western, as you can tell. In an interview some years ago, Robert Conrad said the same thing. People called it a western, he said, but it really wasn't. I liked it when I first started watching it, back in 1999 when TNT aired it. However, several episodes took on a Batman-type scenario where the bad guys got the drop on Jim and Artemus and would tie them up somewhere and arrange some horrific death for them or, as Dr. Evil in Austin Powers said, "... arrange an overly elaborate death for them and not watch." It got too repetitive. James West was always falling for some beautiful femme fatale in every show, and Artemus Gordon was left in the cold as far as the women were concerned.

The violence was as violent as it could get. There were people thrown through windows, into glass mirrors in bars, flying off railings and down one or two stories, gunfights, explosions, and the requisite hand-to-hand combat scene where Jim would beat up several men twice his size. William S. Paley had it cancelled because of the violence. It's not surprising, but not because of the violence. It seems the only show Paley liked on CBS was Gunsmoke.

Added: Monday 02 July 2012 21:12:38 MST


Submitted by: Ed
From: Honolulu

Mike, On the NCIS crossover episode. Once, a traveler goes through TSA security, the ticket / ID is not checked. So the doctor could have met someone once he got passed security and exhanged tickets. I had a problem with the time frame. It's a 5 hour flight from Honolulu to LA. The flight was just landing in LA when they got to the Honolulu airport. They made it sound like they just missed him, but they didn't have time to get NCIS to the LA airport. Or if he got the flight 5 hours earlier, the other person would have had to been waiting at the airport for 5 or more hours before their flight. I'm writing this from memory so the times might not be accurate but I know they just didn't match up.

Added: Monday 02 July 2012 17:30:21 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Mike Connors was also a proud Armenian and from what I understand he incorporated his Armenian heritage into various episodes of MANNIX.

Yes, I do believe MANNIX ran on Saturday nights for the most part. Actually it finished at #17 during the 70-71 season (shown Saturday nights) and at #19 during its final 74-75 season (shown Sunday nights). But the move to FIVE-0's Wednesday spot during the 71-72 season definitely helped it a great deal!

As for THE WILD, WILD WEST that's a whole other kettle. I checked out a few episodes and that show is beyond bizarre. Too "out there" for my tastes. And this is coming from a guy who enjoyed seeing James Bond in space in MOONRAKER! :) You have a mix of Western, espionage, science fiction, fantasy, horror - a messy hodgepodge if you ask me. BTW, since when do 60s TV fistfights constitute extreme violence? :D Hilarious!!

Added: Monday 02 July 2012 14:58:46 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

"I'm still surprised that MANNIX had difficulty breaking the top 20 during its run except for the 71-72 season which ironically is the season when it was moved into FIVE-0's lucky spot." Ringfire....didn't MANNIX usually air on Saturday nights? I remember watching it regularly but not quite as religiouly as 5-0. Perhaps the Sat night slot hurt its chances for top-10 popularity? LOL, I remember that Mannix usually got cracked over the head with a gun butt practically every episode. It's laughable that MANNIX was allowed to run (with its level of violence) but Wild Wild West was cancelled due to the same reason. Guess America wasn't quite ready for 3 or 4 Jim West fist-fights every ep during the mid-60s?

Added: Monday 02 July 2012 14:42:14 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

I met Mannix. Mike Conners was there at the airport and we chatted a bit. he is very friendly and polite. No hollywood arrogance or ego was evident. This was one of my favorite shows and even moreso after i met the guy.

Added: Monday 02 July 2012 14:10:41 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Someone mentioned MANNIX in a previous post. I just got around to checking out the first 4 episodes on DVD. I must say - it's a very good show. I think it was one of the very first P.I. shows when it premiered in 1967 on CBS. Or at least it was the birth of the modern-day P.I. show. I'm talking about the likes of THE ROCKFORD FILES, MAGNUM P.I., etc. that followed after.

In any case - solid show. Mike Connors plays the hard-boiled gumshoe very well. He actually reminds of Jack Lord's McGarrett. He has that edge to him that the PI's that followed lacked (Rockford, Magnum, etc.) Like McGarrett's "the cop who cares" Mannix seems to be "the PI who cares". Anyway, the pilot episode was particularly great. Lots of avant-garde camera angles - almost cinematic. FIVE-0 also had its share of those. Lots of fantastic helicopter action where Mannix on foot is being pursued by a helicopter - like Sean Connery being pursued by the SPECTRE helicopter in FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE, which in turn was inspired by Hitchcock's crop-duster scene in NORTH BY NORTHWEST. Easy to see why the show was picked up - based on the strength of the pilot. Ran for 8 years which is a pretty darn good run.

The pilot also featured the already-mentioned Barbara Anderson of IRONSIDE fame (who also appeared on FIVE-0) and two-time FIVE-0-head John Colicos. In addition to veterans Lloyd Nolan and Kim Hunter.

I'm still surprised that MANNIX had difficulty breaking the top 20 during its run except for the 71-72 season which ironically is the season when it was moved into FIVE-0's lucky spot. It finished in the top 10 that season! I think the show had enough strength to make it on its own. Created by Bruce Geller of MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE fame and featuring cool opening titles to the tune of Lalo Schifrin (again the M:I connection) the show was great stuff. I read that it was considered to be the most violent show on the air at the time so maybe that's what hurt it in the ratings. Of course it's laughable when you compare it to violence on TV today.

Added: Monday 02 July 2012 13:35:08 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: In a questionable mood

In the Max/Trashman episode, the geeky Chin throws some technological flim-flam at us when it's learned that boyfriend of Angela (the woman murdered at the beginning of the show) was tracking her with a GPS. The know-it-all Charlie Fong says "This model has a web site that allows users to monitor the GPS remotely." Then Chin chimes in, "Let's pull up an IP address and see who was monitoring our victim," thus managing to connect the dots. But it's very unlikely that this information would be publicly accessible, with the boyfriend instead having to access some site with a password to find out where the GPS was at any specific time. If Five-0 wanted to access this site, they would need a warrant ... the usual "unlimited means" would not apply. Or is all GPS activity in the USA monitored by Homeland Security and thus would be accessible to the Five-O Supercomputer®?

Here is another related question:

In the Five-0 part of the NCIS crossover episode, at the end, the doctor who is carrying the smallpox to Los Angeles swaps his boarding pass and/or ticket for the flight with some other guy so when Five-0 and NCIS show up at the airport waiting lounge, they discover they have the wrong guy and the doctor is already in LA. I haven't been on a plane in the States for many years (since 1999, which is pre-9/11) so I'm wondering -- if you are going by plane between two cities, before you board, don't you have to confirm that you are who your ticket says you are at the airline check-in with picture ID?

Added: Monday 02 July 2012 12:03:13 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: NC

"...though this might give the writers an excuse to try something a bit different like character development..."

The Five Uh-oh writers need to watch the Filer eps.(IF they read this, they're prob scratching their heads wonder what a Filer ep is? :) ) Sadly, character development is out of the question these days. If it's not wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am, most of these Gen XYZer's won't watch it. Thank you, high-tech vid games.

Added: Monday 02 July 2012 09:57:15 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Mike,

That would make sense then that the "Kiss the Queen Goodbye" song was composed directly for the old show because that explains why it was used so mnay times in episodes after that first one, so the producers could get their money's worth out of it. If it had been a actual song from another source, then no doubt they would have had to pay a rights fee each time they wanted to use it, and if that had been the case they would proabbly have just used the song once at the end of season two. The frequent use of the song does seem to offer proof that the song was composed for the show. I doubt the old FIVE-O show producers would have wanted to fork over money each time they used the song.

Also, agree with you last post completely about the new show. You're right, I wonder if any of the writers noticed this before you just pointed this out? Doesn't seem like it.

Added: Monday 02 July 2012 08:30:55 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The Max-centric show about the Trashman serial killer (which is a relatively good episode) begins with a young woman whose car has broken down in the middle of nowhere getting murdered. But there is no explanation as to why she is there. We know that she stopped in a bar somewhere nearby and that's where razor blades were put in her tires, presumably by the psycho church guy who is the real Trashman. Her boyfriend, who worked together with her at the catamaran place, suspected her of cheating on him ... so maybe she was meeting her new boyfriend? Her mother said that she left early that evening, before she would usually go to work. But given all this, how did the psycho church guy know where she would be at any place at a certain time? Was he just following her around? And why did she end up on the creepy middle-of-nowhere road? Isn't there a major road which leads back to Waikiki? One also wonders how the psycho knew who she was, because according to his own admission to Five-O, when women dropped off their unwanted children at the church, he was not the one who took the kids in and they also had a "strict privacy policy" which involved keeping no records (but, of course, he is lying about this, I'm sure).

Added: Monday 02 July 2012 08:29:27 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Re: "Of course, then the shows would probably only be 10 minutes long instead of 43, though this might give the writers an excuse to try something a bit different like character development instead of the usual frantic car chases and other such nonsense."

BRAVO!!! You've hit the nail on the head, Mike.

Added: Monday 02 July 2012 08:18:49 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Fed Up

In re-analyzing several season two shows, it's pretty obvious to me that there is a pattern.

In most of the old shows, a crime would be committed, and under the direction of McGarrett, the members of Five-O, along with Che Fong, would gather and examine the evidence, track down the criminals using this evidence, resulting in an arrest, and hopefully a conviction.

In the most of new shows, the team gather evidence (with the help of the supposedly all-knowing [sic] Supercomputer®), they round up suspects and grill them in the blue-lit room, totally ignoring any civil rights of the accused, only to invariably find that they have THE WRONG PERSON. Based on this kind of constant mistake, you would suspect that they would realize that the first person suspected of the crime is ALWAYS THE WRONG ONE and focus their efforts elsewhere!

Of course, then the shows would probably only be 10 minutes long instead of 43, though this might give the writers an excuse to try something a bit different like character development instead of the usual frantic car chases and other such nonsense.

Added: Monday 02 July 2012 07:11:44 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Kiss the Queen Goodbye is the name of the first show where the musical theme -- sung by some children dressed in hula outfits, though the children are actually >not< singing -- is introduced that will be heard numerous times in other episodes. I have tried to determine if this is an actual Hawaiian melody by inquiring in Usenet Hawaiian music groups and elsewhere, and the general consensus seems to be that it is not, and the tune was created specifically for the show.

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/hawaii.wav

Added: Monday 02 July 2012 06:53:05 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

"But what about KONO?"

Otto - NO BLUE SKIES - Kono not only kicks a** in this ep, he's also rockin' the romance with his wahine, all dressed up and out on the town - catching the lying, killing, degenerate gambler Joey Rand's act. He's on surveillance and they leave the nightclub just as all the sh*t was about to go down. But that's OK - he's on the job so Five-O should pick up the tab.

TV CARGUMENTS - in cop cars - first introduced on CAR 54 WHERE ARE YOU and they were standard procedure on ADAM-12 ...in no way should this be considered a defense of, or excuse for, the re-booted FIVE-FAUX.

Added: Sunday 01 July 2012 19:38:10 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

The song I believe is "Kiss the Queen Goodbye" from the show of the same name that ends season two. I could be wrong but ask Mr. Mike if that is the correct title of it, it may not be. It's heard alot during the run of the show.

Mike will know.

Added: Sunday 01 July 2012 17:57:47 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Kimo, shame on you! ROFL

Added: Sunday 01 July 2012 14:13:04 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

The song they play during the murder scene is "Always look on the bright side of life".

Added: Sunday 01 July 2012 11:45:45 MST


Submitted by: MARK
From: LOS ANGELES, CA

Does anyone know the name of the Hawaiian song that is played in the background of "FOB Honolulu" throughout both episodes as well as "R&R&R" during the shower murder scene?

Added: Sunday 01 July 2012 03:48:30 MST


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