Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- July 2011

The Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- July 2011



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Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I have put a bunch of WWW pages here, mostly to do with Jack Lord:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/TerriStuff/

These are pages that used to be on Terri's Jack Lord Connection before she closed the site down. (I also took the Central Dispatch newsletters, which are at http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/CentralDispatch/).

Typically you will find a WWW page listed with a subsidiary folder which contains all the artwork, pictures, and background color for each page. If you can't see the entire name of the file or folder, holding your cursor over the link should show it all in the status bar at the bottom of your browser.

Don't ask for any tech support connected with any of this, or I'll just get cranky. The links on the left side of the page no longer work, for example.

Anyway, enjoy exploring...

Added: Sunday 31 July 2011 14:28:16 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

Whether we want to call Five-O's ratings success huge, solid, or steady, I think we can all agree that it was a very successful program by almost any standard. No television show from any era lasts twelve seasons without something going for it. I don't believe we should debate over the degree to which it was a success; that is not really relevant here.

My original point was that I would take Five-O's success during its' original run, syndication, and now DVD sales over a program like Hill Street Blues, which mainly achieved success only at the annual Emmy awards and is largely forgotten today except by TV critics. And, as Mr. Mike stated, Emmy awards sometimes are affected by relationships in the industry, rather than the ultimate quality of the series or the performance of the actor in question. Many of the awards that Hill Street won (lighting for example) did not have that much to do with the quality that you ultimately see onscreen. These are the larger discussion points that I was making here.

Added: Friday 29 July 2011 18:21:54 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Sorry, guys, but Five-O's ratings were not a "HUGE" success (my main beef with this claim). A HUGE success is when All in the Family stayed in number one position for five years. You can try and rationalize this any way you want, i.e., it was the first "on location" show in Hawaii, it had good writing/music/scenery or whatever, it was a cop show (as opposed to a comedy), etc., etc. I don't have Karen Rhodes' book handy to determine the actual ratings for the seasons when it wasn't in the top 30 (if she even lists this), but giving those seasons a value of "31" and averaging this out with the other ratings over the twelve years, you come up with 18th. Just to assuage the people who are going to start blubbering about how the last three years didn't count because they were crap, even if you average out the five years where it was consecutively in the "top" of the ratings, the average is only 10.1.

Added: Friday 29 July 2011 13:26:07 MST


Submitted by: Judy
From: Nebraska

I agree with you whole heartly L.B. I want to watch the mystery, not a soap opera. Look how well McGarrett was loved by his audience, and we didn't know a whole about his background or loves, only when they needed it for a story line. A little mystery with the characters adds a lot to the program. America has lost alot of its ability to imagine; they want everything spelled out for them.

Added: Friday 29 July 2011 06:45:33 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

L.B. has a great point. FIVE-0 may have not been on the scale of ALL IN THE FAMILY when it comes to ratings success but for a crime drama it really was a *huge* ratings hit. There's no doubt about that. Speaking of which, it's odd that people at that time seemed to prefer sitcoms over crime dramas - ALL IN THE FAMILY, M*A*S*H, MARY TYLER MOORE, etc.

Added: Thursday 28 July 2011 19:39:20 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

Mr. Mike,

Respectfully, I would say that the ratings that you listed for Five-O would qualify as a huge ratings success. If you review the Nielsen ratings for each of those seasons, there were many, many great TV series during that era. To finish in the top 20 six times and the top 10 three times during that time span is a tremendous accomplishment. Furthermore, for all of the great police dramas and detectives of this time, crime dramas rarely cracked the top 10 during the 1970s. Popular series such as Starsky & Hutch, Barnaby Jones, The Streets Of San Francisco, and Police Woman never finished in the top 10 during their runs, while others such as Mannix, Cannon, Kojak, and Baretta only accomplished the feat once apiece. While you can certainly say that Five-O was not a huge or smashing ratings success, it was the most successful cop series of itsí era ratings wise. While the first season of the new Hawaii Five-O scored better ratings wise than the originalís first season, l wouldnít get carried away there. We will have to see how the show fares over the next several years to adequately compare the two series. I doubt that 2.0 will last anywhere near twelve years.

As for Hill Street Blues, it seems that I unintentionally began a good debate with my original comment. While I respect all views, I will stick with my original assessment not just because of ratings or DVD sales or Emmys won. Hill Street has itsí merits and began many trends that still endure today (ongoing story arcs which carry over several episodes, for example). However, when I watch a police drama, I personally donít like side stories like the new Dannoís situation with his ex-wife and child or an individual copís battle with alcoholism. I also donít care about seeing what looks like a real police station with lots of irrelevant dialogue ongoing just so that it seems more real to life. I like to see a good mystery with action that is not unrealistic or thrown in for the heck of it. I also like to see villains that are so bad that you really want to see justice served to them at the end of the story. This is what the original Hawaii Five-O did best: it was the ultimate good vs. evil. While there were plenty of gun battles and fistfights, many of the best episodes were equally a cat and mouse game between Five-O and the villains. Jack Lordís McGarrett in hot pursuit of a criminal is as good as it gets. If nothing else, a choice between watching Jack Lord or Daniel J. Travanti is not a hard one. Book ĎEm Danno.

Added: Thursday 28 July 2011 15:14:39 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Actually Five-0 did have a few Emmy nominations. For the 1969-1970 season it was nominated (and won!) best Dramatic Underscore for Morton Stevens for "A Thousand Pardons -- You're Dead". For the 1970-1971 season Bob Sweeney was nominated as Best Director in Dramatic Series for "Over Fifty? Steal" (but did not win). For the 1972-1973 season Five-0 was nominated for Best Drama Series (but did not win). For the 1973-1974 season it got a total of 3 nominations - all for Dramatic Underscore - Morton Stevens for "Hookman" (which won!), Bruce Broughton for "The $100,000 Nickel", and Don Ray for "Nightmare in Blue". And finally for the 1975-1976 season Helen Hayes was nominated for her guest appearance in "Retire in Sunny Hawaii - Forever" (but did not win).

Of course what really boggles the mind is how the heck Karl Malden kept getting nominated for Best Actor each season for STREETS OF SAN FRANCISCO but not a single thing for Jack Lord. Don't get me wrong - I liked STREETS OF SAN FRAN but come on - Malden can't hold a candle to Jack when it comes to playing a tough cop!! I can understand someone like James Garner or Peter Falk getting nominations for ROCKFORD FILES and COLUMBO, respectively (they played their parts magnificently) but I never thought Karl Malden's performance was anything special. It was merely adequate. I think perhaps Jack Lord was indeed snubbed by the Emmys because he didn't dance to their tune.

Added: Thursday 28 July 2011 13:38:27 MST


Submitted by: Seppo
From: Finland

Itīs the details, that do it! I canīt stop wondering how carelessly the policeofficers in this series drive. I just saw two of them driving to a hotel which name they could not pronounce, The thing wasd that they werw not using seatbelts! are not police aware of the danger of driving w/o belts? :!devil:

Added: Thursday 28 July 2011 12:51:37 MST


Submitted by: big mouth (H)
From: yep, right here....

BCG...we don't need to go to a Starbucks to debate it....ok, take this apart by category. Cast (ok, maybe that one is even)....score, clearly that is a win for 5-0, HSB had one dumb song played over and over, while 5-0 had a treasure trove library of great works by Ray, Stevens, et.al, ......guest stars.....another win for 5-0......setting...no comparison, the islands win it, and the final category, writing/plot. Well, excluding 5-0 seasons 10-12, then 5-0 wins that one hands down too. I watched a HSB ep last night and fell asleep it was so flipping boring. Jesus....who cares about the crappy emmys...HSB can keep them. But I OWN all 12 seasons of 5.0 1.0, so does that speak volumes or what?

Added: Thursday 28 July 2011 09:47:13 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

"it paled in comparison to the acting/writing/directing on Hill Street Blues." who cares about that. We are discussing a crime drama set in a wholly unique place; Hawai'i. And although most discussions center on the minutiae of the incidental music and guest stars and etc, rather than the locales and the nostalgic aspect we see, (well, that I see...) this is a show shot in my home, back in the day before our islands became as bussup as we see it now. That makes it far more valuable in any TV history discussion than some mainland big city show.

Added: Thursday 28 July 2011 00:11:27 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Gee, the original Five-O didn't even crack the top 30 in its first season, but according to Wikipedia, the new show "was watched by an average of 11.96 million viewers, ranking it the 22nd most viewed 2010Ė2011 primetime show." In other words, the new show did better than the original. :D (Yeah, yeah, I know "some conditions apply.")

Added: Wednesday 27 July 2011 21:56:18 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

I can see LB's point about Emmys, ratings, and the TV critic's "high brow" opinion of Hill Street Blues as compared to, say... Hawaii Five-0.

Five-0 was in the top 20 for six seasons and 3 of those seasons it was in the top 10. Five-0 was nominated 12 times. Winning twice.

In 7 seasons Hill Street Blues never cracked the top 20. It's best season was 21st. Yet Blues won 8 Emmys in its first season and was nominated a whopping 98 times.

Added: Wednesday 27 July 2011 20:54:05 MST


Submitted by: Big City Gal
From: NYC

"In my opinion and a view that will probably be shared by many posting here, Hawaii Five-O was a far superior show to Hill Street Blues."

Ummmm, don't count me in that view. While I love H5O and it will always hold a special place in my heart, I have no problem saying it paled in comparison to the acting/writing/directing on Hill Street Blues. HSB was groundbreaking even if it wasn't a gigantic ratings success. And it was critically acclaimed pretty much across the board. They earned a record 98 Emmy Nominations with 26 wins and a four year consecutive run for best drama.

Just because a show is popular with the masses doesn't make it a better show. Most here may enjoy H5O more than HSB, but I'll argue to the end of the day HSB was far superior creatively. Ok, I won't argue it here, but if you want to go head to head, I'll be at the Starbucks on 85th & Lex.

Added: Wednesday 27 July 2011 20:40:04 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

Hello Otto. Hello ringfire. Now it's looking like the old guestbook.

Added: Wednesday 27 July 2011 20:35:18 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Seriously, dude, the original Five-O was never a "huge ratings success." Where do you get this information?

The ratings were as follows, courtesy of the WWW site http://www.classictvhits.com/tvratings/

1968-1969 - Not in top 30
1969-1970 - #19
1970-1971 - #7
1971-1972 - #12
1972-1973 - #3
1973-1974 - #10
1975-1976 - Not in top 30
1976-1977 - #19
1977-1978 - #23
1978-1979 - Not in top 30
1979-1980 - Not in top 30

Added: Wednesday 27 July 2011 19:43:22 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

I have never thought that the lack of Emmy awards was anything negative towards the original Hawaii Five-O.

By contrast, Hill Street Blues won nearly Emmy award out there: lighting, you name it. I believe that that show won something like 25 or 26 (it was way up there). In my opinion and a view that will probably be shared by many posting here, Hawaii Five-O was a far superior show to Hill Street Blues. A better indicator of a show's success is TV ratings during its' prime time run and how well it does in syndication thereafter, not to mention DVD sales. Five-O 1.0 is still being talked about and discussed more than 40 years after it premiered. While Five-O 2.0 is good, it was born only due to the success and name of the original series.

Hill Street Blues is largely forgotten today. If memory serves me correctly, only two seasons were released on DVD. While critics loved it, the TV viewing public largely took a pass; the ratings were never that great. Five-O 1.0 was a huge ratings success and will see all 12 seasons released on DVD. I would much rather have that record of success than 25 Emmy awards that are likely collecting dust in someone's closet today.

Added: Wednesday 27 July 2011 17:18:25 MST


Submitted by: big mouth, uh, H
From: anywhere

Wasn't the only Em that 1.0 garnered actually for Hookman's score? (I didn't open up your file, Mr. Mike)

Added: Wednesday 27 July 2011 13:55:39 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

"One possible answer as to the lack of attention from the Emmys: Jack Lord pissed off people in the industry, so as a result, he and his show got snubbed."
That may be... Five-O was produced 2500 miles away and Jack may not have had many friends at CBS. And just like a star on Hollywood Blvd, the Emmys are campaigned for, and paid for, one way or another, by the studios. The self congratulatory world of Hollywood is all business.

Added: Wednesday 27 July 2011 12:30:43 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Good point about the acting and Emmys, but what shows and what actors >did< win between 1969-1980?

Check out the links on the right side of this page:

http://www.imdb.com/event/ev0000223/

One possible answer as to the lack of attention from the Emmys: Jack Lord pissed off people in the industry, so as a result, he and his show got snubbed.

Added: Wednesday 27 July 2011 10:45:48 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here, there, and everywhere

Why did 1.0 not win Emmys for acting? Some episodes portrayed outstanding acting. Two off the top of my head are "And They Painted Daisies on His Coffin" (Season 2) and "Hookman" (Season 6). Someone please explain this to me. I just don't get it. Yes, the music was great. So was the cinematography, etc. But why wasn't the acting given the recognition it deserved?

Excuse me while I go and chill out with another outstanding episode.

Added: Wednesday 27 July 2011 10:04:47 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Gun and badge (supposedly) used by Jack Lord as Steve McGarrett on Hawaii Five-O are up for auction: http://t.co/pYRdirN

Added: Wednesday 27 July 2011 09:19:03 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

CBS to stream their library titles north and south of the border http://bit.ly/r3b0Qt (also Hawaii Five-O?)

Added: Wednesday 27 July 2011 09:05:47 MST


Submitted by: OTTO
From: NYC

Hey Ringfire,

Thanks. Happy to be back. I love all you Five-O lovers. The show just never gets old. Why is that? I don't know.

Added: Tuesday 26 July 2011 21:00:40 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

From CBS via Twitter:

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Added: Tuesday 26 July 2011 19:04:45 MST


Submitted by: Anthony Durrant
From: durrant4145@rogers.com

I was just reading MARVEL PREMIERE v1 #23 on line again and realize that it features a story very similar to the original series episode "King of the Hill," featuring a superhuman assasin with a metal-coated body and massive strength who has lapsed into a fugue state and is killing innocents in the belief that they are Vietnamese.
He is stopped by the hero called Iron Fist and drowns when he refuses Iron Fist help because he is terrified of being captured by the Viet Cong. :D

Added: Tuesday 26 July 2011 14:23:49 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Hey Otto! Welcome back!

Added: Tuesday 26 July 2011 09:23:53 MST


Submitted by: Otto Mannix
From: New York City

Hey Mr. Mike,

Happy to see the forum reinstated. I understand why you killed it, and I'll henceforth honor the spirit in which you've brought us back. We gotta keep the Five alive!!!

-Otto

Added: Monday 25 July 2011 23:22:57 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

hmm...LONGSHORE: McG clocks Danno, no bruise on his face. notice McG gently (italics) knocking Duke over in a somersault move. ya know, i gotta see this again.

Added: Monday 25 July 2011 15:03:49 MST


Submitted by: Rebecca Rushing
From: Lubbock, Texas

Thank you so very much for this show. Finally, Mondays are worth something. Aloha

Added: Monday 25 July 2011 14:45:49 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Sometimes, I wonder.

Re: Hiram's remark, "...undercover McG (looking like he walked out of a 70s porn flick with that pornstache and wig..." - - - I agree, but it looked pretty normal in the 70s, when the episode was made. FAR from the best episode - very true - and yet, there's something about it. Maybe because it's different from most??? I'm not sending it back, but some time can pass before I see it again, and I won't feel deprived.

Added: Monday 25 July 2011 13:16:30 MST


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

I was reviewing the season 9 episodes and I got thinking that "Man In A Steel Frame" would have made a great season finale for S9, especially with JL standing on the beach at the end, with no music playing and just the sound of the waves...just a thought...:)

Added: Monday 25 July 2011 12:30:05 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Yes, I also heard that the bonging bell sound was made by hitting the bell, then dipping it in H2O. But someone else told me that it was made by dropping water onto the inside surface of an aluminum lid of a saucepan and then sort of twirling the water around in the lid at faster and faster speeds. Then the whole recording was further distorted in post production.

As far as the ending of A Short Walk on the Longshore is concerned, the ending from this show leaves a LOT to be desired. To quote myself:

McGarrett is kidnapped by Arthur [Michael Conrad] and a couple of thugs who take him to a shack in some location like Sand Island, because they finally figured out who he really was [i.e., a cop] and were just using him to locate Krebs' [union candidate who is knocked off at the beginning of the show] girl friend. McGarrett is soon joined there by Frankie [Sharon Farrell character], also grabbed by some thugs from her room. Then Nick Gentry (Al Avalon), the big boss who is behind all the corruption on the docks [who has never been seen before in the show], finally shows up. Gentry, an insignificant character, spends a couple of minutes arguing with Arthur about wasting the two hostages, while McGarrett tries to convince Arthur not to co-operate. As a punk, named "Korean" in the end credits and played by Reggie ("Reginald") Ho, slaps McGarrett in the face, Frankie grabs Korean and pushes him across the room. Grabbing his gun which has fallen to the floor, she shoots both Korean and Gentry and in turn is shot by Gentry himself. Arthur suddenly becomes McGarrett's friend, freeing him from the ropes binding his wrists, and McGarrett holds Frankie as she expires, saying "She's gone." What a dumb ending!

Added: Monday 25 July 2011 11:22:59 MST


Submitted by: Big H
From: Raleigh

To Ringfire:

Pretty sure it (bending bell sound) is created by ringing a tubular bell, then SLOOOWLY dipping it into water, and then pulling it back out SLOOOWLY also. I discovered this purely by accident. It does create a freaky sound. Whenever I hear that sound on 5-0 1.0, I say to myself, "Uh-oh, McGarrett is after a psycho in this ep"...

Added: Monday 25 July 2011 11:02:06 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

What the heck even happened at the end of "A Short Walk on the Longshore"? I think I may have seen this episode twice (a long time ago) and both times failed to understand what happened at the end. Sharon Farrell's character supposedly dies and that's the end of the episode I think. Did the bad guys ever get captured? I remember at first thinking that this was a 2-part episode and the conclusion would be in part 2. It just seemed to have an abrupt ending without any resolution. Probably my least favorite episode of S10.

Added: Monday 25 July 2011 09:43:58 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

ok, ANGEL IN BLUE---carol lynley is cute! but yes mike, her acting here :!swear: bad! i am like shush! when she speaks loudly enough for the baddies to hear on the beach! grade F, she an A

now A SHORT WALK ON THE LONGSHORE, this is , mike, the worst unremastered episode i have ever seen! i have not seen all on season ten but this one, the nite scenes are like soooooooooo grainy and to me, pixilated if that is the right word.

i see undercover McG (looking like he walked out of a 70s porn flick with that pornstache and wig) moving and fighting at nite, mike, you noticed his arms and head were like multiplied up--can't think of the tech word. you know what i mean , it just looks a mess! did laugh a lot with his "fights" with danno and duke while undercover and its aftermath. great there. but the rest and the crappy ending-- a C-.

Added: Sunday 24 July 2011 13:25:04 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Without checking, I would say the episodes which were "not filmed entirely in Hawaii" were:

Pilot (Kam Fong said in an interview the interiors were done in Los Angeles)
Once Upon A Time (Los Angeles)
Nine Dragons (Hong Kong)
Year of the Horse (Singapore)
Woe to Wo Fat (opening scene is filmed in some location other than Hawaii, I think)

Added: Sunday 24 July 2011 13:16:04 MST


Submitted by: Mister G
From: England

Which if any episodes were not "FILMED ENTIRELY ON LOCATION IN HAWAII"
We've been watching 1 episode per week since season 1, now on Season 10, hopefully S11 will be out before we finish on 23 September.

We've visiting Hawaii in November.

Mr. G

Added: Sunday 24 July 2011 10:26:32 MST


Submitted by: Bill
From: Michigan

Re: some Five-O music credits.

Not all are complete. The final first-season episode has "Music by Morton Stevens." But the "spooky" music used when the Hawaiian goddess supposedly appears was originally composed by Richard Shores for an episode of The Wild, Wild West, The Night of the Kraken.

There are multiple examples of music sharing in first-season Five-O and fourth-season episodes of The Wild, Wild West. Sometimes it began on Five-O (the "wave" music at the end of Act I of Strangers In Our Land was used going into commercial in part II of WWW's only two-part episode.

Both shows were in-house productions of CBS and thus music in CBS's library could be used in episodes of other CBS in-house made shows.

Added: Sunday 24 July 2011 08:09:37 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

The one with a bank robbery via the carpet store is DIDN'T WE MEET AT A MURDER? ...season 4. The opening credits shot of Chin Ho on the roof with the walkie talkie is taken from this episode.

Added: Sunday 24 July 2011 07:51:36 MST


Submitted by: Elaine
From: Watertown,MA

Eric: I believe the show you're referring to was "Didn't We Meet at a Murder"...three people were coerced (blackmailed) into killing a mobster who wanted to buy this old building next to a bank...so the owner of the carpet company who was renting that space, had him bumped off.... Hope this helps...

Added: Sunday 24 July 2011 07:01:10 MST


Submitted by: eric
From: Los Angeles

I have an episode question:

Does anyone know what episode it was when the fiveo crew was tricked and on a wild goose chase that led them to a bank being robbed but was being robbed via a carpet store? They brought in a building expert to review design pIans and it led them to the bank? it had to be in seasons 1-6....

Thanks

Added: Sunday 24 July 2011 00:17:29 MST


Submitted by: Brad Lloyd
From: Tulsa, Oklahoma

Just a few more things I noticed starting with season 10 and continuing into season 11 !

1.According to McGarret every uniformed cop is named Kimo whether they are Hawaiian or white !
2. The Five-0 wardrobe got much more "Leisure" with those awful leisure suites worn by S.M. and even a short sleeve version by Danno.
Even Duke who worn some * * * ugly suits in seasons 7-8 stated wearing short sleeve shirts with a Hawaiian flavor which I think was much better. Danny should have worn these also.
3. Noticed some nice new shots of the palace and exterior shots of McGarrets office.
4. The show became more of the "Steve McGarret Show" with him doing everything from investigating, to using eavesdropping equipment in his own car (didn't they always have van with all this stuff in it?) to rounding up the criminals all by himself.

Added: Saturday 23 July 2011 19:37:45 MST


Submitted by: Dan
From: South Brunswick, NJ

I emaild this link to Mike earlier it is about a man who owns a 1968 Ford Fairlane that used during season 1 (1968-69.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=316221

Added: Saturday 23 July 2011 17:36:53 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

No clue how the "bending" sound was created in the bonging bell theme. I'm actually not very good at recognizing instruments when I hear a theme play. I just know that it sounds bloody great! :)

Added: Friday 22 July 2011 14:41:05 MST


Submitted by: Will
From: Washington, DC

Yes, Don Ray did compose the "bell theme" and I'm pretty sure it's first appearance was in "The Late John Louisiana." My discs are not handy at the moment but I believe Ray was credited as composer for that episode.

A fair amount of the rest of the music in John Louisiana (which appeared often through S3 and beyond) was from Ray's score for "Paniolo," which had production number "2" for S3, i.e., was filmed earlier, but aired later than John Louisiana (which was number 7, if I recall). In fact, the bell theme may have been the only original music in John Louisiana.

Added: Friday 22 July 2011 13:40:40 MST


Submitted by: Big H
From: raleigh

Ringfire:
Do you know how that creepy, "bending" sound is/was created in the "bonging bell" theme?

Added: Friday 22 July 2011 13:32:00 MST


Submitted by: RRM
From: Seal Beach

Mr. Mike, where can other Don Ray music for the show be found. Sorry in advance if this question has already been asked and answered.

Added: Friday 22 July 2011 13:16:49 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I always thought that Morton Stevens was the composer and musical supervisor for the show. So episodes that didn't have a particular composer would give Stevens credit for musical supervision - essentially meaning that it's Stevens's stock music being used.

Shows that didn't have a particular composer (i.e., the music was stock sequences) would only have "Theme by Morton Stevens" in the end credits. (See http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/5-0music.htm) The stock music used in these shows could have been composed by anyone.

I'm thinking that perhaps the bonging bell sound first appeared in "John Louisiana" with Ray as composer - making that sound his creation. But in your analysis of this episode you say that the bonging bell sound is a stock sound - meaning it had already been used previously, correct?

Oops, this reference is wrong, since Ray obviously did compose this sequence. I have fixed this. Whether it was used in a previous show, I don't know off hand.

Added: Friday 22 July 2011 11:28:16 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Hmmm... I always thought that Morton Stevens was the composer and musical supervisor for the show. So episodes that didn't have a particular composer would give Stevens credit for musical supervision - essentially meaning that it's Stevens's stock music being used. Otherwise the main composer would be either Stevens or Shores or Ray, etc. I do know that prior to S3 Ray only scored one episode - S2's "Savage Sunday" but that episode had no bonging bell sound. So I'm thinking that perhaps the bonging bell sound first appeared in "John Louisiana" with Ray as composer - making that sound his creation. But in your analysis of this episode you say that the bonging bell sound is a stock sound - meaning it had already been used previously, correct?

Added: Friday 22 July 2011 10:49:50 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Ringfire, Don Ray "came on board" on episode one of the old show (Full Fathom Five) as Music Supervisor. He was also credited for doing the second season episode Savage Sunday. Just because this bonging noise was first heard in some show where he didn't get credit (if this was the case -- I don't know this for a fact) doesn't mean he didn't write the sequence which contained this sound.

In fact, there is pretty positive proof that he DID write this sequence, based on the following:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/donray/Track11.mp3

This is taken from a promo LP which Ray released containing his music from Five-O.

Which reminds me ... I complain a lot about the repetitive music in the current Five-O, but if you think about it, there were also a LOT of repetitive sequences in the old show as well. But there is a huge difference to my ears between the quality of the old show's music and that of the new.

Added: Friday 22 July 2011 09:46:25 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

To find out about the demise of Chin Ho, go to the new and improved search engine on the site (I have just made this a Quick Link near the top of the main page -- http://www.mjq.net/fiveo). Enter in some text like "Why was Kam Fong's character killed" (without the quotes). There are several possible answers, including one in the Five-O FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions), and the answer is:

Kam Fong's character Chin Ho Kelly was murdered in the final episode of the 10th season, A Death in the Family. At the Five-O convention in 1996, Kam said that he originally wanted Chin Ho to "retire gracefully," and fought the idea of having his character murdered. There was even talk of the production company suing Kam for breaking his contract! Then someone told him that it was an honour if you were a regular in a TV show and you were knocked off ... this meant that no one else could play your character.

This suggests that Kam was getting tired of the role. There are other rumours that Jack Lord wanted to get rid of Kam, which doesn't make any sense to me. Why would Lord (assuming he had any control over the show, and there are various theories about this) keep Kam around for ten seasons and then suddenly decide he was expendable?

Maybe someone should ask Dennis Chun (Kam's son) about this issue if they are really concerned...

Added: Friday 22 July 2011 09:10:54 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Question about the bonging bell sound. I always attributed that sound to Don Ray - I think it may have first appeared in S3's "The Late John Louisiana". Can anyone remember an earlier instance where this sound was used? If it was in fact used earlier then it might not be by Ray because Ray didn't really come on board until S3. Always loved that sound! Nice and creepy.

Added: Friday 22 July 2011 08:44:13 MST


Submitted by: Brad Lloyd
From: Tulsa, Oklahoma

Can someone tell me the story of why Chin Ho Kelly was killed off in season 10 ?
Was is Jack Lords idea or was Kam Fong wanting to leave ?

I seem to remember in an interview that Kam Fong did not know why he was killed off !

Added: Thursday 21 July 2011 18:27:50 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

yeah, gloomy look on season 10
if you look closely at the menu , ya know,those boxes behind the McG pic? there are clips of season 10 and they seem to be clearer! ha, McG dozing off i see :!yawn:

DEATH IN THE FAMILY a B+. and then there was WHEN DOES A WAR END? and yes mr mike, that was bad. the actor as barker was horrendous and you wrote that he gets into a crouching position as if he is gonna take a dump. well, i wound up with stomach pains (no joke) the moment that scene occurred (no joke). and then McG says the silly final lines...i headed for ---ya know. weird ain't it? i'm gonna check out carol lynley tonite.

Added: Thursday 21 July 2011 15:37:27 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Steve, there are plenty of people posting about the better quality of season 11 (comparable to that of the first nine seasons) and the crappier quality of season 12 (similar to the DVDs of season 10, with the exception of the first and last 12th season shows). Go back and check out some of these posts on the previous pages...

Added: Thursday 21 July 2011 11:23:36 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Wow! The video quality of the S12 episodes is so horrid that it practically makes my eyes hurt. The TV broadcasts of S12 even looked much better. It's as if someone purposely went in and distorted the video. I can't imagine that the S10 DVD release has this same video quality. If it does then it's a crime - plain and simple! I wouldn't want quality like that if they were giving it away for free. So paying money for garbage like that is out of the question. I mean jeez we're not asking for George Lucas' Industrial Light and Magic to get involved to clean up the prints but something akin to the first 9 seasons shouldn't be too much to ask for.

Added: Thursday 21 July 2011 11:07:09 MST


Submitted by: Steve
From: Philadelphia

On the Roku box, all of season 11 and 12 episodes appear and play correctly. However on Tivo, only some of the episodes appear, unless you do a search for the show through the Tivo instead of the Netflix.

Is it just me or do the episodes in season 11 look a lot better than season 12? Season 12 looks a lot like the poor quality of Season 10. Anyone agree?

Added: Thursday 21 July 2011 07:57:53 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Amazon to offer Five-O as part of streaming service:

http://bit.ly/qiqIo5

Added: Wednesday 20 July 2011 23:44:52 MST


Submitted by: GK
From: Millersville PA

Hey Jeff and Brad thaks for the input on the "missing" eps on S11 and S12. Jeff I think you are on to something, because tonight I notice it's missing different eps than the night before last.

Added: Wednesday 20 July 2011 23:34:14 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

Whatta shock! my cousin out of nowhere spent $50 on season 10 of 5-0 and she bought it for me earlier today! no Borders email coupons which end tomorrow, nothing! she paid it all! hey, her $$$$ not mine! out of business sales at borders start friday and hey
5-0 sets would be like 30, 40, 60, 70% off? well, i got it and will see DEATH IN THE FAMILY tonite. guess i'll see if the great UK crime series MIDSOMER MURDERS gets the 70% stickers at (bye bye :!cry: Borders . or INSPECTOR LEWIS or MANNIX

Added: Wednesday 20 July 2011 15:17:03 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Lanikai.

Jimmy Borges was in the hospital for a bit. He is out now and healing, thank the gods!
http://bit.ly/oR80dn

Added: Tuesday 19 July 2011 23:14:27 MST


Submitted by: Jeff Herman
From: Denver

I have Netflix as well and have been watching the Season 11 and 12 Five-O episodes, and noticed that when you stream them on the TV, only about 255 episodes display at a time. However, when you stream them on a computer, all of the shows display.

On the TV, sometimes all of the Season 11 and 12 shows display, and sometimes they don't. I'm thinking it may be a limitation of Netflix's display capability with TV streaming, and the 'missing episodes' change each time, at least.

Added: Tuesday 19 July 2011 19:45:46 MST


Submitted by: Brad Lloyd
From: Tulsa, Oklahoma

I see 24 episodes for season 10, 21 for season 11 and 19 for season 12 on Netflix.

Added: Tuesday 19 July 2011 16:02:25 MST


Submitted by: Brad Lloyd
From: Tulsa

I just finished watching all 26 episodes via Neflix streaming and have watched the first 3 of season 11 !
I will check and see if they have pulled any from viewing !

Added: Tuesday 19 July 2011 15:18:28 MST


Submitted by: GK
From: Millersville PA

Hey anyone else on here that has Netflix notice that a bunch of episodes are missing in S11 and S12 suddenly ??? Perhaps its an isolated incident in my case as I am using my girlfriends Netflix to watch these eps late at night, but night before last I went in to watch Ep 5 from S11 and it was missing along with several other eps from S10 and S12 huh ???

I did watch Clash of Shadows from S12 last night and wow... Just kind of hard to put into words how poor the picture quality, sound, acting and story line was... Smith as Kimo seemed almost like he was sleepwalking through the bulk of the episode, and Jack's "Ceasar" hairdo made me literally laugh out loud when I saw it !!! How the mighty had fallen by this time... All good things must come to an end I suppose.

Added: Tuesday 19 July 2011 11:48:03 MST


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

Mike,

Sounds like CBS is going to do whatever they want.

Also, thanks for posting the link regarding Morton Stevens' MASADA - I have this set and it is really outstanding! Stevens' Track 19 (("Ram's Head";) is one of the best tracks in the set - very powerful stuff, here and this 2-CD set is a must have for any Morton Stevens'(or Jerry Goldsmith) fan out there. I just love it!!!:)

Added: Tuesday 19 July 2011 11:01:30 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

Borders is closing :!cry:

so yesterday, i see a copy of season 10 5-0---$49.99--ridiculous!

i hope in the out of business sale, there's a 70-80% sticker on it!

stores will phase out by Sept. (sniff)

Added: Tuesday 19 July 2011 08:24:45 MST


Submitted by: Norma McInturff
From: Front Royal, Virginia

I have always loved the 5-0 series and love the new shows except for one thing, The background music is so loud that it is very hard to hear the actors words and be able to follow the story. Please tone down the music!
Thank you.

Added: Tuesday 19 July 2011 06:16:25 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

For those of you interested in Morton Stevens' music, Intrada (http://www.intrada.com) has recently released a double CD of the music to the TV mini-series Masada. Stevens was called in to complete the score when the production ran behind schedule and Goldsmith, who had written the score for the first part, had to move on to another project. Much of Stevens' contribution is based on themes by Goldsmith, but there are sections which are original, and some which sound very similar to parts of Stevens' work on Five-O and M Station Hawaii.

Added: Monday 18 July 2011 21:53:36 MST


Submitted by: Sue
From: Canada

When are Auntie Mele and Uncle Sam going to be on the show doing their fabulous weaving?

Added: Monday 18 July 2011 19:20:45 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The guy told me he called the number supplied earlier, and was transferred to the DVD department, who were no help whatsoever. Aside from this, he speculated that CBS/Paramount was not going to get involved in discussing the issue of music rights and why they did or did not make a certain decision, for fear that whatever they say will affect negotiations with artists in the future (not specifically with Five-O, of which there is only one season left).

Added: Monday 18 July 2011 16:43:23 MST


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

Mike,

Did you ever hear back from your friend who was going to call CBS regarding the music replacements on S11?

Thanks...:)

Added: Monday 18 July 2011 15:35:59 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

From Regina Avalos at examiner.com (Tempe TV Examiner) -- http://exm.nr/q5dI2f:

---
Spoiler TV released this new photo from the set on Sunday, and it shows a surprising character return for season two. James Marsters is back for an appearance. He is featured in this photo, and it looks like he is in jail.
---

Huh? What is surprising about this? Hesse was alive talking to Wo Fat (in jail) the last time we saw him. It wasn't like he was killed or something. Does this person actually watch the show?

---
Peter Lenkov, the man behind the series, is promising more 'realism' in season two as well. The team will be held more accountable with the entrance of a new governor.
---

Hmmm, more "realism," what does this mean? Less "fantasy"? Does it mean they will get someone to check the scripts for logistical and other boo-boos before the shows are filmed? ;)

Added: Monday 18 July 2011 12:20:21 MST


Submitted by: Big H
From: Raleigh

"Not surprising this show got a stunt nomination, I thought the stunts in this show were pretty spectacular."

Speaking of great stunts, I was re-watching some earlier eps this weekend, and in ep #10 titled, "Hei Hei", toward the end the crooks are getting away on bicycles no less, so Chin clotheslines one of them with a taut water hose so hard that it knocked the stunt guy's bike helmet off BEFORE he hit the ground head first. Not sure if knocking the helmet off was intended in that stunt, but I AM sure that it knocked that guy cold as a milkshake when he hit the cement. Later in the same ep, AoL gives a flying tackle and knocks a biker over a cement wall, both falling to the beach below. Both of those stunts got a WOW factor from me....

Added: Monday 18 July 2011 09:40:06 MST


Submitted by: RRM
From: Seal Beach

I sent Mr. Kasem a message via Facebook regarding whether it was his voice that was dubbed in for Mr. Borges. If he responds, I will post it here.

Added: Sunday 17 July 2011 21:36:37 MST


Submitted by: Brad Lloyd
From: Tulsa, Oklahoma

Just watched episode #237, "A Stranger In His Grave" which co-starred John Hillerman and was partially set at the Anderson Estate both which would become famous as Jonathan Quayle Higgins and "Robins Nest" in a short 2 years on Magnum P.I. !
Now preparing to watch "A Death in The Family" for the first time ever !

Added: Sunday 17 July 2011 20:25:23 MST


Submitted by: Brad Lloyd
From: Tulsa, Oklahoma

That last message was to be addressed to owner Michael Timothy for some updated pictures, but I will drop the subject !

Added: Sunday 17 July 2011 16:04:22 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

Well that's surprising they used some pro from the mainland for overdubbing. Thought why would they need to do that at all? The usual reason, static and b.g. noise Jimmy tells me. JL's voice was overdubbed by JL, of course.
Thanks for the clarification, Mike.

Added: Sunday 17 July 2011 12:07:24 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

With regard to this issue of Jimmy Borges' voice being dubbed by someone else, I decided to go to the "horse's mouth," JB himself. This is what he e-mailed back:

"Hey Mike...It was dubbed by a professional in LA. Because it was a one-day shoot for me, I didn't have the right to do my own overdub...has to be a 3-day shoot before they have to send the film back to Hawaii for me to overdub my own voice. It does sound a bit like Casey Kasem! Thanks for all your hard work, Mike..."

Added: Sunday 17 July 2011 10:02:51 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Who is "you" to send "you" pictures? There are some pictures of the Park Lane here:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/50mercury.htm

Added: Sunday 17 July 2011 09:03:01 MST


Submitted by: Brad Lloyd
From: Tulsa, Oklahoma

I love 1960s television and 1960s cars and especially the Parklane McGarrett drove.
I collected the photos from this site and was wondering if there was any way you could send me some current pictures of the car ? If not I understand !!

Added: Sunday 17 July 2011 08:01:29 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

RRM of Seal Beach, (great town, visited once)
that is definitely Jimmy Borges' voice. It may resemble Mr. Kasem's voice but there would be no need to have Mister Kasem do any dubbing for the show, esp. as Mr. Borges was (still is) here. Here is a Kasem audio sample. Notice the difference. It is subtle but it's there. ... (adult material, kinda) http://bit.ly/q9v9bP

Added: Saturday 16 July 2011 21:24:28 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: My heart is in Hawai`i

Mike, thanks so much for posting the M Station dailies. They are fascinating to watch. There's so much attention to detail that a seamless presentation is bound to come together. Yet, at the same time, one would have to be very patient to do that kind of work. Most of us want the first take (or draft) to be perfect, which, of course, it never is.

Michael, thank you for your comments. It is so good to know that the McGarrettmobile is doing well. Do hope you are, too. It occurs to me that it would be quite a thrill to be out and see her rolling past. Actually, it was quite exciting a few years ago to see another '68 Park Lane go past. Sad to say, no one had restored it, yet it had a fair amount of get-up-and-go. The black vinyl roof was in sad shape, and the green paint (not black, alas!) on the body was faded. There was very little rusting, as I recall. Best of all, its driver clearly was very proud of her. I saw it several times when we lived in Blue Springs, Missouri, and each time was a treat.

Added: Saturday 16 July 2011 20:30:07 MST


Submitted by: Brad Lloyd
From: t

Mr. Timothy,
You have the 1968 Parklane or the 74 Mercury Brougham ?

Added: Saturday 16 July 2011 20:29:33 MST


Submitted by: Steve's Girl
From: Germany

Thank you, Mr. Mike, for posting the M Station Hawaii Dailies.

Added: Friday 15 July 2011 22:27:56 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

Michael Timothy.....I'm so glad you posted about the car. Wasn't sure how to get in touch with you. I will DEFINITELY come to the August 25th show to see you and the car. Not sure if I will be in town for the July 27th one. Have been waiting to meet you. Would you contact Mr. Mike for my email address (Mr. Mike, you have my permission to give it to him). Will have to get info about the car shows.

Added: Friday 15 July 2011 21:28:48 MST


Submitted by: RRM
From: Seal Beach, CA

Does anyone agree that when you listen to Jimmy Borges questioning Steve in Welcome to Our Branch Office, that it is Casey Kasem's voice that is dubbed in? Listen with your eyes closed, here is the link to this clip on this website: http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/jimmyborges/BranchOffice

Added: Friday 15 July 2011 20:25:44 MST


Submitted by: Michael Timothy
From: Palatine, IL

OK, Mr. Timothy is here and would prefer that you call him Michael..... :)

The McGarrettmobile is alive and well. It was last out Easter Sunday for a spring proof-of-performance run. For anyone in the area, I expect the car to be in Elmhurst, IL the evening of July 27 and in Barrington, IL the evening of August 25 at local car shows. I rarely take it out anymore. It mostly comes out once or twice a year for routine exercise. I have seen every episode of abuse and destruction and find it extremely hard to watch, even though I know the eventual outcome. While the car is not, and never will be perfect, it gets dramatically better treatment than anyone on the production staff ever thought to give it.

Added: Friday 15 July 2011 20:07:37 MST


Submitted by: Ronnie
From: North Carolina

As picky as Jack Lord was about "getting it right", you would think some of the bloopers in Hawaii Five 0 would have been noticed. I'm amazed how many times the cars are changing during the episodes. However, I loved the show and still do, and have Sept. 20 circled on my calender..

Added: Friday 15 July 2011 18:10:07 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Barbara, the BookEm or BookEm Danno means that Jack Lord said that expression during the show. The number of shows where he says this is a lot less than you would expect (some people think that it was at the end of every episode). The first time was not until the sixth show, Twenty-Four Karat Kill. This listing is NOT complete, by the way.

H50 Forever, I have put the dailies from M Station Hawaii (which I suspect most people have never seen) here. I find these dailies to be pretty boring compared to those from Number One With A Bullet, but it gives you an idea what goes on behind the scenes during the filming of a TV show.

Added: Friday 15 July 2011 15:21:55 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: My heart is in Hawai`i

I agree, Bob. The scene where he "forgets" he's a law enforcement officer really bothers me. Scenes like that are why I don't like the remake. The original show set high standards and almost always stuck to them, one or two exceptions notwithstanding.

Brad, the poor old McGarrettmobile didn't stand a chance, at least not until Michael Timothy came along. Mr. Timothy, if you're here, would you share a few stories with us about how she's doing these days? Please.

Added: Friday 15 July 2011 15:19:52 MST


Submitted by: Bob Pakenas
From: San Tan Valley, AZ

I have a problem with an episode involving Dano mis-informing the FBI, and allowing his guilty brother to go free. I understand the sibling ties, But he is portraying a Police officer and his moral character and his failure to fulfill his sworn duty is a terrible message to be sending. Shouldn't there be legal consequences for illegal acts???

Added: Friday 15 July 2011 11:09:54 MST


Submitted by: Brad Lloyd
From: Tulsa, Oklahoma

I also noticed starting in season 10 that the budget must have gotten small because they started using recurring cars and they were in most every episode.
There is a baby blue 4 door Ford Granada and a pea green 4 door Ford Elite or Mercury of some sort.

Added: Thursday 14 July 2011 18:52:27 MST


Submitted by: Douglas Wentworth
From: Wakefield, MA

Vrinda, thank you so much! 'Pigs in a Blanket'! One of my favorites!

Added: Thursday 14 July 2011 18:19:10 MST


Submitted by: Brad Lloyd
From: Tulsa, Oklahoma

You partially caught this, but at the 32:00 mark when Danno is driving thru the woods in his 76-77 LTD toward the beach the car miraculously changes into McGarretts 68 Mercury Parklane and then goes airborne, again with no hubcaps ! They have stuntmen and stunt cars also !

They really beat the crap out of that poor car !

Added: Thursday 14 July 2011 17:26:41 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I just discovered on IMDB that stock Five-0 actor Bernard Ching passed away this past May. He played a number of different characters through the series - most notably as the fake Chin Ho in S7's "Welcome to Our Branch Office" and as gangster Ernie Kwan who wipes out Charley Bombay in S8's "McGarrett is Missing". I also saw him a few days ago at the beginning of "Number One With a Bullet" as one of Santoro's thugs who plants the car bomb that wipes out the Texan.

Added: Thursday 14 July 2011 15:54:28 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

Mr. Mike...On some of your reviews for Season 1, you have a highlighted "Book Em Danno" next to the ratings stars. What does that mean? I thought at first that it might mean these were the shows where McGarrett actually says "Book Em Danno" since he is not saying it every episode. However, I don't see it on some of the earlier episodes. So, please enlighten us. Thanks.

Added: Thursday 14 July 2011 15:37:34 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: My heart is in Hawai`i

Could you let us see the dailies from "M Station: Hawaii"? However brief, I think they would be interesting.

Added: Thursday 14 July 2011 11:12:21 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"but I thought Scott Caan *might* pull a nod in the supporting actor category." -- Puuuhleeeeeese!!!!! Scotty needs to check out some of his daddy's films. THIEF would be a great place to start.

Added: Thursday 14 July 2011 10:56:27 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Not surprising this show got a stunt nomination, I thought the stunts in this show were pretty spectacular. I recently re-viewed several episodes where I had just done a capsule comment and now all of the new show episodes have had the usual "anal-ysis." Link to the page is above.

Added: Thursday 14 July 2011 08:49:42 MST


Submitted by: Big City Gal
From: NYC

Emmy noms came out this morning and H50 scored one nod for Outstanding Stunt Coordination for the episode "Ua Hiki Mai Kapalena Pa"

Not particularly surprising they didn't get anything in the major categories, but I thought Scott Caan *might* pull a nod in the supporting actor category.

Added: Thursday 14 July 2011 06:36:36 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: My heart is in Hawai`i

Amazon sent an e-mail message this morning, retracting their earlier message about a July release date. It's September 20th, after all. Oh, well...

Added: Thursday 14 July 2011 06:27:51 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Pittsburgh

Amazon now has the Season 11 cover photo up along with the September 20 release date. It looks like Doc beside Duke and Danno with the bigger Steve, of course.

Added: Wednesday 13 July 2011 21:26:42 MST


Submitted by: Brad Lloyd
From: Tulsa, Oklahoma

Just watched "Head to Head" via Netflix and noticed on two occasions the old 1968 Parklane that McGarrett drove in the early seasons was used as a prop. !
When the Danno stunt double jumped on the cars, the left one was the Parklane with no hubcaps and when Vanden Ecker jumped from the apt, he landed on the hood o the car. I am a car nut and notice them more than anything!

Added: Wednesday 13 July 2011 20:32:14 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

that generic music must have came out of a bad bad 70s porn flick

Added: Wednesday 13 July 2011 15:30:38 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I managed to get a dub of the opening of part 2 of Number One With A Bullet from Netflix, and also some of the same material from a TV broadcast. You can see the comparison by clicking here.

Added: Wednesday 13 July 2011 13:39:28 MST


Submitted by: Big H
From: Raleigh

"But playing a cop - and a second-in-command to McGarrett - is just too much of a stretch for me. I dunno - his face just screams VILLAIN!!"

Ringfire's comment reminds me of something funny (at least to me). When I think of Smith, I also think VILLIAN, mostly because of his infamous role as the bully Falconetti. I remember watching all of the first-run eps of RM-PM, thinking the whole time that his name was actually FALCON EDDIE!!! (Yeah, I thought it was a strange name too at that time, sort of like a "nick-name" that he picked up serving in the Merchant Marine) It wasn't until a few years later that I acquired the book and read it that I found out otherwise. Ooops...as they say.... :!surprised:

Added: Wednesday 13 July 2011 10:09:30 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

Another HF0 team member has just been cast. She will be the eyes and ears for the new governor on the Five-0 team. She looks like a teenager in this photo but I've seen others where she looks more her age (around 33). Could be a possible love interest for McGarrett now that Michelle Borth is out of the picture (she's now on "Combat Hospital").

Larisa Oleynik will still be back but as a recurring role. I wasn't sure I liked her at first but she grew on me. Glad she will be back.

bit.ly/nenPz7

Added: Wednesday 13 July 2011 09:41:00 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Yep, just watched NUMBER ONE WITH A BULLET last night on Netflix. What a great first half - with all the Bee Gees songs fully intact - "Staying Alive", "Night Fever" and "Manhattan Skyline" by David Shire! But then the second half starts and what do we get? Some generic disco crap that no one knows anything about. Total suckage!! Well, at least we have Yvonne Elliman singing "I Can't Get You Out of My Mind" at the end. Quite emotional - always gets me. Oh, and I love Jack's emotional scene where he explains to Nehemiah Persoff what "makes him tick" - about his father's death and why he became a cop. Jack gets misty-eyed in that scene. Always gets me.

Added: Wednesday 13 July 2011 09:21:46 MST


Submitted by: Tired Zoro
From: Southern MI

It's sad to hear about the music debacle in Season 11.

Another of my favorite shows, WKRP in Cincinnati, also suffered this fate when it went to DVD/later syndication. Since music is basically one of the show's frequent characters, it really stinks to have it replaced!

A detailing of those mutilations can be found here: bit.ly/xw45M

Added: Tuesday 12 July 2011 23:56:46 MST


Submitted by: Deli Waiter
From: Palm Springs, CA

I've been watching Route 66" on the Retro TV Network tonight and much to my surprise and delight Jack Lord was the guest star as a possessive, trumpet-playing Jazz artist ala Chet Baker. He only had a few scenes but displayed the emotion that would later serve him so well in H5O It was cool to see Jack "play" the trumpet, it looked convincing to me. The episode is titled "Play it Glissando" and should be easy to look up. A real "gasser' baby!
PS As a bonus the same actor who played the father figure in "Tiger by the Tail" also guest stars in the above-mentioned episode as a police Lt.

Added: Tuesday 12 July 2011 22:32:09 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I have someone with "industry connections" who is going to phone CBS/P soon (possibly tomorrow) about the Netflix/DVD music issues and talk to them about it, so please hold off calling them as per Glenn's suggestion until my friend reports back...

Added: Tuesday 12 July 2011 20:47:48 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I thought that I had mentioned these dailies here or in the "what's new" section on the first page, but maybe not ... or maybe it got pushed down by all the other breaking news about the season 11 DVD box.

I received a DVD of dailies from Number One with a Bullet (NOWAB). The person who sent this to me had purchased some U-matic tapes of Jack Lord's when Lord's possessions were being auctioned off on Ebay a few years ago, benefitting Hawaiian charities. He wrote: "Most of the tapes were 5-0 episodes that Jack Lord taped on his own U-Matic machine from television (or perhaps were provided directly by the studio) -- each containing one episode. Many of these tapes were labeled by the studio, or some studio service, as dailies at one time but were re-used by Mr. Lord and taped over. These are the oversized 3/4 inch tapes that are almost twice the size of a VHS tape. U-matic was the first attempt at making commercial video equipment for the consumer market. One tape apparently Jack Lord taped over with Super Bowl 16!"

This NOWAB tape was the only such tape from Five-O. There was another tape of M Station Hawaii, a pilot movie which Lord directed after Five-O which didn't get picked up by any network. This footage is very brief and from some part of the beginning of the film, and is not as interesting as the footage from Number One With A Bullet, though if you listen carefully, you can hear Jack Lord directing the actors in the background. (There are no well-known actors from the show in this footage, such as Elissa Dulce, Moe Keale, Andrew Duggan, Dana Wynter, Andrew Prine, etc.)

Anyway, check out the NOWAB footage by clicking here. This is ALL of the footage (about 45 minutes worth). If you start at the beginning, you can keep jumping to the next section until the end; or you can just click on selected excerpts from the main page (see the main page for more information).

Added: Tuesday 12 July 2011 20:33:54 MST


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

Well, I called CBS at 1-323-956-5000 and spoke to a nice lady in DVD - I told her about the music replacements being seen on Netflix regarding S11 - she said that can't be, as the episodes have not been legally distributed to anyone yet, including Netflix. She also said to me that she would have heard about "music replacements" in her department regarding the upcoming S11 DVD set, but did not. She also said that if there were, this information would be posted in some kind of press release.

It all sounds like a load of crap, but this is the information I was given - I still say that if we ALL continue to call the number above and voice our concerns, something good may happen out of it - it's worth a try if we put in a little effort

After all, we are the ones putting out our hard-earned money for these DVD sets and CBS/Par knows it!...:)

Added: Tuesday 12 July 2011 13:49:42 MST


Submitted by: Ron Albanese
From: Honolulu, NEW JERSEY

Hey, Everyone - like the new, spiffy board! In cruising through the front pages link sections again, I came across those dailies for the season 11 "disco" episode ... they're great! It's so go to see at least a glimpse of Jack Lord bring ... human? Mike, if you don't mind my asking, how did you get them? Do any more dailies exist? Sorry if you explained this already!

Added: Tuesday 12 July 2011 19:21:16 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

I remember reading an interview with William Smith a couple of years ago online, but unfortunately I wasn't able to find it again. I remember reading that he initially had looked forward to working on Five-O, but apparently working with Jack Lord was not that easy for him.

William Smith is a quality actor, but I agree with those who say that he was an odd choice to replace James MacArthur. Smith is one of the greatest "bad guy" actors of all time. There was one episode of Gunsmoke in particular where he and his gang of outlaws raped and tortured Miss Kitty; he also was Falconetti on Rich Man, Poor Man. Ric Meyers, who authored "Murder On The Air" about great police and detective series many years ago, may have said it best. He stated in this book that for Smith to appear in Five-O as Danny's replacement instead of the worst criminal that McGarrett had ever arrested was a stretch for audiences.

As for Mr. Mike's question regarding who should have been cast as Danny's replacement in Season 12, I don't believe that it really would have mattered. For those who aren't familiar with this season, the series had completely run its' course, and the scripts were almost laughable. The season premiere, "A Lion In The Streets", was the only really good episode in the bunch. Even if James MacArthur had remained for this season, season 12 would have been the series' swan song. It was simply just time.

Added: Tuesday 12 July 2011 17:44:16 MST


Submitted by: Steve's Girl
From: Germany

@ I just checked the page at Amazon...
Strange! Amazon informed me in February(!) that season 11
was ready for preorder.

Added: Tuesday 12 July 2011 13:45:01 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I just checked the page at Amazon (link at the top of this page) for the season 11 DVD box set, and it now says "Sign up to be notified when this item becomes available." This means you can't even pre-order it! I think someone got their knuckles rapped over this boo-boo.

Added: Tuesday 12 July 2011 12:38:19 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Yeah, I'm totally clueless as to how Smith got the gig. I mean how much more polar opposite can you get from JMac? From a clean-cut, apple-pie, blue-eyed, baby-faced guy like JMac to a hell-raiser like Smith? Go figure... Unless that's what they were aiming for - a complete opposite to Jimmy. But even if I was scouting for opposites Smith would definitely not be a name I'd think of. A body-builder with a husky voice and a villain's stare? Ummm... doesn't quite work.

Added: Tuesday 12 July 2011 12:30:48 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I have no idea why William Smith got the job working for Five-O. Maybe we should engage in some retrospection about "who would have made the best second banana" for the twelfth season, sort of like people speculated mindlessly for months on "who would make the best Steve McGarrett for the new Five-O?" (A lot of good THAT did!) I recall reading or hearing that Smith had given at least one interview where he discussed his Five-O career. Maybe it was in a magazine or something? He was making comments like the "real" reason James MacArthur quit the show was because he had to share his trailer with some other people (a total lie, according to a well informed source). There is a fan page for Smith at http://www.williamsmith.org/ which redirects you to what is supposedly his own page at http://www.williamsmith.tv/ but when you get there, it looks like the domain has been lost to some speculator who wants to sell it. Ditto for this other "fan page" -- http://www.phoenixhome.org/Smith/smith.htm?ai=2 -- which has suffered the same fate.

Added: Tuesday 12 July 2011 11:13:34 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Hmmm, looks like the good news about the disco music, etc. in Number One with a Bullet is premature, because now there is some BAD news reported to me this morning. This is very speculative, mind you, based on the streaming video of the episode available at Netflix in the USA. Whether this represents what will be on the DVDs is questionable at the moment. Here is what the person said:

It never occurred to me that I needed to check Part 2 of "Number One With a Bullet" right away last week, since all of the music in Part 1 appeared to be intact. Well, I checked tonight, and I'm glad I did, because those [bad word] at CBS/Paramount only bothered to pay for the music to Part 1. Remember how the recap at the beginning of Part 2 starts with Stayin' Alive playing? Well, it's GONE, replaced by generic disco-sound alike crap. Remember the scene in Part 2 where Allie Francis, James Darren's character and their crew visit Sonny's disco and Night Fever is playing? GONE! The scene is there, but the music has been replaced. The only consolation is that the Yvonne Elliman song in Part 2 is still intact, but that's about it. Granted, there is only a fraction of the music featured in Part 2 as compared to the amount of music in Part 1, but still. They couldn't even get it right all the way through for this episode.

Added: Tuesday 12 July 2011 11:00:55 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Yeah, I'm inclined to agree about William Smith. The guy's filmography is probably longer than all the Five-0 actors put together! And considering that he only appeared in one season of the show - the worst season no less - it's not surprising that he has little to say about the show or his role. Plus, I doubt he was a much loved (or liked) character in the show. He was just... there. Nothing special. Just a place-holder for JMac. And for Jack to have someone to say "Book 'em" to. In fact the more I think of it the more I realize what an oddity Smith is in this show. I mean when I think of Smith I automatically think of a brawler or biker or some other hard-case. His entire career consists of playing such types. It's always a bit jarring to see him playing a good guy. But playing a cop - and a second-in-command to McGarrett - is just too much of a stretch for me. I dunno - his face just screams VILLAIN!!

Added: Tuesday 12 July 2011 09:26:17 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: My heart is in Hawai`i

FYI - Amazon is selling Season 11 as though it had been released. Although the box art does not appear on the list page, it does appear on the item page. What gives, I wonder???

Steve D, I noticed that Big Bill doesn't seem to have much to say about his season on Five-0. When you look at his LONG filmography, one season on Five-0 must have seemed to him like just another job. Still, I liked Kimo. Best of all, I liked that he and Lori were given back stories, something that did not happen for the earlier characters. The times, they were a-changing.

I don't feel that Season 11 fell short. Every season had outstanding episodes and not-so-good ones. There was a different air about the last three seasons, I think. There was less action (turning corners on two wheels, dashing two-at-a-time up the palace steps, etc.) in favor of deeper topics and bigger-name actors (Peter Lawford, Mildred Natwick, Robert Vaughn, etc.). Season 11 did not rest on its laurels, for the topics were of great importance in the day (cryogenics, gun control, etc.). Or so it appears to me.

Added: Tuesday 12 July 2011 05:41:36 MST


Submitted by: Steve D
From: Fairfax VA

With season 12 coming soon to DVD (we hope), I realized there was one major 5-0 actor (outside Jack Lord) who never appeared in some kind of reunion / interview / appearance about the show in the past 15 or so years: William "Kimo" Smith. According to various websites (including his own) and news articles, The "Danno of 1979-80", is almost 80 and is still acting. He even appeared in New York this summer. I guess of the three new regulars in S12, he had the weakest connection as both Sharon Farrell and Moe Keale had been on the show in previous seasons. I have particular interest in S12 as it was the first season I began watching the show in prime time and actually thought William Smith was pretty important then. If anyone has a recent interview of him discussing the show please share.

Added: Monday 11 July 2011 19:32:37 MST


Submitted by: Geoff K
From: Millersville, PA

Recently watched the first four eps of S11 on Netflix and the video quality is indeed much better than S10, however, the story's start off lame and continue to get lamer as they go so far... The acting also seems wooden and laconic in these four eps, including Jacko's acting. You also notice just how old Jack, Jimmy, and Herm are starting to look in this season. I briefly checked out the beginning of Woe to Wo Fat for a few minutes and sadly thr picture and audio quality are in line with the garbage we got for S10. Hoping that gets cleared up before the DVD release in Sept, but I am doubting that will happen and expect that S12 is going to be the same crap we got for S10.

Added: Monday 11 July 2011 12:41:39 MST


Submitted by: Big H
From: Raleigh, NC

Caught a very good JMac movie over the weekend on TCM....it is one that missed my radar over the years, titled "The Bedford Incident." JMac really doesn't have much of a prominent role, the movie is pretty dominated by Richard Widmark and Sidney Poitier, until the surprise ending occurs...(to Doug, still looking into your question. I viewed 3 eps this weekend, but no luck)

Added: Monday 11 July 2011 09:45:25 MST


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

Yeah, I got the same message from Amazon about the 11th season being sent to me soon - gotta be a mistake!...:-(

Added: Sunday 10 July 2011 14:54:13 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I don't find The Bark and The Bite as offensive as some either, primarily because of guest star Tricia O'Neil, who is very hot. :p As well, there is a big smile from Jack Lord at the end in a scene which is almost like an outtake it is so spontaneous.

Added: Sunday 10 July 2011 13:01:02 MST


Submitted by: MLJ
From: SC

Sure hope CBS gets the music right and the credits on the upcoming DVD, but I'm not holding my breath. Will take a wait and see approach. Did notice on Netflix that the Joey Kalima episode did have the correct music as well. Just hoping that Number One with a Bullet will have the right music since it is crucial to the story.

Season 11 looks great on Netflix and just watched The Bark and the Bite episode. Count me in the minority, but, I actually enjoyed it. However, the Sleeper, was just that, definately the worst season opener by far.

Added: Sunday 10 July 2011 12:46:06 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

yay! hope this goes thru: man! McG in that season 11 promo : 18 shots with him in the funky black suits! cool trailer

Added: Sunday 10 July 2011 09:58:01 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I'm pretty sure this notification is a mistake. Remember Amazon screwed up a release date once before. Amazon Canada is showing the date as September 20.

Added: Saturday 09 July 2011 21:12:05 MST


Submitted by: stephen R. Dunn
From: usa

I just received the same notice from amazon too this is weird.

Added: Saturday 09 July 2011 17:56:13 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: My heart is in Hawai`i

I just received a message from Amazon saying my Season 11 DVD should arrive between July 21-27th!!! Huh!?! Has anyone else heard about a two-month fast-forward on the release?

Added: Saturday 09 July 2011 15:25:51 MST


Submitted by: Big City Gal
From: NYC

First of all, great to have the forum back up and running, Mike.

Now on to your gun question....

It was more than likely a Glock 17. This particular gun has a capacity of 17 cartridges in the standard magazine and is commonly used by law enforcement. There are 19 shot magazines as well.

Added: Friday 08 July 2011 16:46:28 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

In the Puff Diddy episode, Puff's character takes a gun from one of his fellow FBI agents at the beginning of the show (which you figure has already been discharged at least once) and then shoots at least 17 more times. My question: what kind of gun is this, and how many bullets does it normally hold?

Added: Friday 08 July 2011 15:30:13 MST


Submitted by: Mahaloed
From: Plymouth

SO HAPPY this forum is back up and running!! And its good to see some familiar "faces" again. I just watched Season 8 "The Capsule Kidnapping" before I checked the site and found everything back up and running. I got a couple seasons under my belt since the guestbook closed. And I never got a chance to say how much I loved the Season 1 finale of nuFive-0. I was quite on the edge of my seat that night. Its great to be back ;)

Added: Friday 08 July 2011 14:38:15 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Douglas: It's "Pig in a Blanket"!

Added: Friday 08 July 2011 11:13:14 MST


Submitted by: Steve D
From: Fairfax VA

I think the bigger issue with the final two DVD re-issues is the apparent poor (season 10-like) quality of season 12....Very bad if CBS cannot put out clean copies, except for Lion in the Streets and Woe to Wo Fat. Yes CBS, many people here have complained about the episode quality but we really want crystal clear video and good sound regardless...

Added: Thursday 07 July 2011 19:35:26 MST


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

Mike,

Yes, I did view your clips and I'm NOT impressed with the music replacements for THE EXECUTION FILE:

CBS Contact Number: 1-323-956-5000

I figure if we (at least) voice our opinions BEFORE they release season 11, it MIGHT make a difference...:)

Added: Thursday 07 July 2011 11:57:55 MST


Submitted by: Bill
From: Florida

Mike- Thank you for bringing back the forum. I always enjoyed it even though I rarely post.

Season 11 credits at Netflix- The Year of the Horse does have the correct opening credits. YOTH was the only episode I checked. I've spent time in Singpore, and the city is so infrequently seen in television or movies, for those reasons this was the first episode I checked.

Added: Thursday 07 July 2011 05:29:02 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Is this like a "rhetorical question"? ;)

Added: Thursday 07 July 2011 05:26:58 MST


Submitted by: AJ
From: NY

Regarding the new Netflix version of "The Execution File", to which a link was posted here earlier:

Why would "Kam Fong as Chin Ho" appear in the opening title of a Season 11 episode?

:!fubar:

Added: Wednesday 06 July 2011 20:27:33 MST


Submitted by: douglas wentworth
From: wakefield, ma

Thanks, Big H. I can't believe I'm drawing a blank on the episode myself, I'm old enough to remember the episodes first run and I've seen them multiple times and I'm drawing a big white blank.

I can picture the seen clear as day; they are all in his office, he's standing behind the desk and says, incredulously, something like,"With all these clues we can't come up with a suspect? Maybe somebody oughta call the cops!" And the others all smirk sheepishly.

Added: Wednesday 06 July 2011 17:20:01 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Complaining to CBS? HA HA HA HA HA!! (OK, I picked myself up off the floor. :))

First, how can you complain to them when they are more secretive than Greta Garbo?

Second, even if you could get through, would they care? I doubt it.

As Jeff points out in his comments below, they probably blew their budget for music rights on Number One With A Bullet, where the musical selections are very critical to the story. They are less so with The Execution File, though you think they could have chosen replacement music which was a bit more appropriate.

Have you listened to the clips I posted?

http://bit.ly/nR1ZCZ

Added: Wednesday 06 July 2011 14:04:00 MST


Submitted by: Big H
From: Raleigh, NC, USA

Douglas...I'm pretty sure it's an ep where either Danny or Chin are in serious legal trouble (might be Duke, he was framed very nicely once also). Rick's super-duper database will prob nail this answer before I can get to it, but I'll look for it (the ep number and name).

Added: Wednesday 06 July 2011 13:58:03 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Pittsburgh

Like everyone else, I'm thrilled to have the discussion forum back. Thank you Mr. Mike for giving us another chance! Cannot wait to see the season premiere. Been tossing ideas around on how everything will be resolved. I think the only safe bet is that it won't be wrapped up in just one episode.

Added: Wednesday 06 July 2011 13:22:46 MST


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

Hi Mike,

Another thanks for bringing back the Forum.

I really don't like what I'm reading regarding the music replacements for season 11 - we should all keep complaining to CBS about this so maybe they might think twice if they want to produce sales - Season 10 was a disaster and they know it.

just my 2 cents...:)

Added: Wednesday 06 July 2011 11:49:39 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

If you have questions about "McGarrett," you might want to be more specific, i.e., which show are you referring to -- the old one or the new one?

Added: Wednesday 06 July 2011 07:09:26 MST


Submitted by: Steve's Girl
From: Germany

Hi Mr.Mike, mahalo for re-opening your forum.
Though I didn't post often,the comments were, and hopefully will be, intersting to read.

Added: Wednesday 06 July 2011 06:32:01 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: My heart is in Hawai`i

Another point with the music: Music changes hands faster than used cars. The original owner may have been willing to let CBS/Paramount use his song, but the current owner may not or may have wanted too much money.

I ran into that problem when trying to get permission to mention a song in a book I wrote. The song had inspired the building of a lovely park in Winslow, Arizona. Think of regal birds that soar and red pick-up trucks, and you know the song and artist I mean. Try to describe that park without the song, and the whole chapter is lost. The ownership of the song in question had changed four times, and the latest owner did not share the original owner's interest or benevolence.

Added: Wednesday 06 July 2011 06:38:18 MST


Submitted by: douglas wentworth
From: wakefield, ma

Hi. Maybe someone here can answer a question for me. I tried searching through the episode trivia guide but can't find what I'm looking for. Does anyone remember which episode has McGarrett talking to the team, frustrated that they haven't been able to put a series of clues together, and he says something to the effect "...maybe we ought to call the cops."
Thanks in advance everyone!

Added: Wednesday 06 July 2011 04:57:50 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

OMG....I am so happy that Mr. Mike has reopened the Guestbook. I was going through withdrawals as I am sure others were, too. Season 1 finale was a wild ride which will make Season 2 opener very interesting. So much to discuss. Anyway, thanks for giving us this discussion forum once again, Mr. Mike.

Added: Wednesday 06 July 2011 00:48:47 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Jeff has sent along an explanation for your questions:

1. It can easily occur when whomever is doing the new transfers is asleep at the wheel. Re-mastering involves breaking an episode down into its separate components: audio tracks (one for dialogue, one for music, one for ADR and other sound effects) and the video track. They had the correct audio tracks for the episode (including the S11 version of the theme), but they had it erroneously synched to the video of the S10 opening credits. This most likely happened because we've seen in the early seasons on DVD that they remaster 1 set of the opening title sequence and pre-commercial waves, then use that remastered version on all of the other episodes from that season, so they don't have to remaster the same exact thing 24 times, for example (to save $$). Then, somewhere in the editing process as they rebuild the episode for the new transfer, they screw up and take the wrong digital file with the wrong remastered opening credits from the wrong season, and slap it on the correct audio track and edit it in with the rest of the episode. I believe that's exactly what happened here.

When re-edited back in properly, even an astute viewer wouldn't be able to tell the difference and never would notice. When done incorrectly, it's a glaring eyesore for fans.

2. It's not only the song's performer that has to get paid royalties, it's also the producer and the writer. Each song is different and totally dependent on the greed of the people involved, or the lack thereof, when it comes to determining licensing fees. When the show was originally produced, nobody anticipated that it would air on any home video medium in the future, but rather only on network reruns and syndicated reruns, so that's what the music license covered at the time (probably in perpetuity), which is why you will find the original music still to this day in syndicated reruns. Brand new deals have to be worked out for new mediums such as DVD and internet streaming to use that same music, because the artists still deserve to get paid for their work (it's not CBS's property).

The Season 11 music situations suggest that the Bee Gees, Yvonne Elliman, and other music rights holders did not hold CBS/Paramount hostage for too much money in "Bullet", or else CBS/P would have refused to pay, and either substituted sound-alike music in the scenes, or edited those scenes out of the show entirely where possible, because even sound-alike music costs money (someone has to write it and score it). In fact, CBS/P has done this very thing on many of their other shows that they didn't license the original music for.

In the case of the cover of "Do You Think I'm Sexy", even though it was a cover by an artist other than Rod Stewart, the writers and producers of that song still are entitled to a licensing fee, and even if they didn't charge an exorbitant amount of money either, it's very likely that CBS/P blew their budget on "Bullet" and didn't have any money left over for additional music in other episodes that were deemed not as important as "Bullet". Substituted/deleted music and scenes in "Bullet" would have caused a serious uproar that would have kept many fans (who purchased the earlier seasons) from purchasing S11; in "Execution File", not so much (even though it's still very annoying).

This same licensing problem that studios face is what has kept other music-heavy shows such as "Wonder Years" and "WKRP" off the DVD market.

Most newer series don't face this problem because their music licensing deals presumably cover home video rights for some period of time.

Added: Tuesday 05 July 2011 23:06:36 MST


Submitted by: KDMCG
From: Thanks Mr. Mike..Thank you..Thank you!

Oh my God-it is back! :D

Added: Tuesday 05 July 2011 21:30:06 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: Nashville, TN

Mr. Mike,

I have a couple of questions regarding the remastered Season 11 episodes that you have seen.

This may seem simplistic, but how could they have the Season 10 opening with Season 11 theme music for the beginning sequence. This didn't occur in the syndicated package, to my knowledge, and they could have just as easily used that print (with the episode) for this release.

While I am not a lawyer, it doesn't make sense to me that they would remove the remake of the Rod Stewart song, but leave the original Bee Gees' music in "Number One With A Bullet". It would seem if the music for these episodes were left in the original syndicated versions, that it would be good enough for a DVD release (for any series for that matter).

Added: Tuesday 05 July 2011 18:33:57 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Well, the Governor gave McGarrett unlimited powers to do whatever he want, which presumably included breaking into her house and snooping. This gets into philosophical arguments like "If God made man in his image, then he should not be crabby if man turns into a sinner," etc. The fact that McGarrett drove his father's car downtown poses some disturbing questions, however. What happened to the car? Was it parked on the street and did it get impounded? Maybe McGarrett's lawyer will have to sell the car for scrap metal to cover his fee (LOL)!

Added: Tuesday 05 July 2011 17:35:08 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: My heart is in Hawai`i

They sell those tee shirts on Ebay. Oh, wait. Those are Jack Lord tee shirts. Pillowcases and key chains, too! LOL

But I take your point. Even so, I stick by "unforgivable." In my mind, it was Treason (note the capital T).

As for the break-in, the governor was (or is or might one day be again) his boss. Suppose Wo Fat had not come along. Suppose she had not been killed. She would have fired him on the spot. Not even the head of Five-0 can take the law into his own hands (and JL's McGarrett came frighteningly close to the line, at times). If that scene had any merit, that was it. Wo Fat committed the murder, AOL's character was blamed for it, and Five-0 ceased to exist. Sheesh! Are you sure this show has been picked up for another season?

Added: Tuesday 05 July 2011 08:24:05 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Even knowing your predilection for the old show, "unforgiveable" is a strong word, suggesting that the producers committed treason by using the old car or something. As I noted in my brief (and relatively positive) review of the show, this was kind of a dumb move, sort of like having McGarrett ride a bicycle through downtown Honolulu wearing an "I am Steve McGarrett" T-shirt, considering how iconic (and unique) this car is.

This reminds me of something that was brought out during a murder trial in my area many years ago. After this woman's daughter-in-law divorced her son and there were some messy custody issues, the mother-in-law hired a hitman to knock the DIL off (which was done in broad daylight, the MIL was jailed for first degree murder, though there were suggestions that she was just the fall guy for her husband). Anyway, the DIL's parents, concerned about threats prior to this assassination, employed the services of a detective agency to follow the DIL around and make sure nothing bad happened (obviously when the DIL was killed, the detective was not there). Anyway ... to make a long story short, the detective agency used one of their employees, a BLACK guy, to follow the DIL around town and keep his eye on her. Black guys in that part of Vancouver (where black guys were not that common) would have stood out like a sore thumb.

This season finale really wallowed in "everything but the kitchen sink" logic, highly reminiscent of "24." As I have pointed out elsewhere, producer Lenkov was connected with "24," specifically the fourth season, when things really started to get out of control plot-wise (i.e., one of the main characters, Behrooz, disappeared with no explanation whatsoever, even though this WAS reportedly explained on the subsequent DVDs in some "deleted scene").

Added: Tuesday 05 July 2011 07:09:13 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: My heart is in Hawai`i

Congratulations on this, the grand re-opening of the Five-0 Discussion Forum.

Mike, you posted a comment on my guestbook suggesting that Jean Smart's governor might not really be dead. That would work only if she is, indeed, an agent of Wo Fat, just as AOL's character suggested in the season finale. In that case, the state of Hawai`i has got major pilikia. Are we to believe Five-0 is supposed to solve a problem that surely would have to run all the way through the legislature, the bureaucracy, and out into the streets?

Frankly, I thought the idea of AOL driving JL's Mercury up to Washington Place and breaking in was worse than tacky. It was unforgivable. It also made no sense, since the Five-0 chief can see the governor at any time simply by walking over to the state house. They really try too hard to achieve the shock factor on this show. Or, maybe, JL's McGarrett will wake up, and this new show will have all been a nightmare? We can only hope.

Added: Tuesday 05 July 2011 03:59:13 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

...it's baaaaack!

Added: Monday 04 July 2011 17:57:10 MST


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