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>Is anyone else having problems with the music link for The Singapore File?< ...works just fine with Windows Media Player.
Newport Beach, CA USA - Saturday, July 31, 2010 at 22:34:15 (PDT)
Well said, Mary Ann.
keeping it real
LA , CA USA - Saturday, July 31, 2010 at 21:46:11 (PDT)
Is anyone else having problems with the music link for The Singapore File? I sent the link to three different people in different parts of North America, and none of them had any problems listening to it. I would suggest you contact your internet provider and see if there is some technical reason you can't hear this (perhaps due to DNS issues or something geeky).
Vancouver, BC - Saturday, July 31, 2010 at 21:33:32 (PDT)
I'm excited for the new Hawaii Five-0 beginning this fall. I was a huge fan of the original series and never missed it. I loved every single member of the cast. I was fortunate to visit the great state of Hawaii twice and of course it would have been amazing to see Jack Lord in person. I did however get to see Zulu (Kono) performing in his night club show and also got to see Al Harrington (Ben Kokoa)in his nightclub show. Needless to say I was happy to see that both of these fine actors had other talents as well. I met Zulu and had my picture taken with him. It was great seeing Hawaii and visiting the Iolani Palace where some scenes of the show were shot! I think Hawaii Five-0 is a show that will find new audiences, both with the new and the old episodes. I am currently watching Emergeny on television during the day and I would also like to see the original Hawaii Five 0 back on television in reruns. I think the state of Hawaii provides a beautiful background for the original show and will showcase it again for the new version. Makes me want to go back there again...Can't wait for the new show to begin but I will always love the original...the cast was incredible!
Mary Ann Merranko
Pittsburgh, PA USA - Saturday, July 31, 2010 at 20:31:31 (PDT)
Usually the second time around is not as good as the first. Jack Lord will be exceptionally hard to replace, and James McArthur is one of a kind. Will wait and see what happens even though I do like Alex O'Laughlin. However, since Moonlight he has been in nothing that has made the grade.
Gillette, WY USA - Saturday, July 31, 2010 at 19:32:07 (PDT)
Thanks for the Singapore link. However, I cannot get that URL to work. When I copy and paste it into my browser address, I get that blank page that says something like "this page cannot be displayed".
A couple times when I pasted your URL in there, the status on my browser said "connecting" but never connected to anything....I waited several minutes but nothing.
Thanks anyway, though. I appreciate your effort.
MO USA - Saturday, July 31, 2010 at 14:49:08 (PDT)
Just reread some of the posts, and saw that Mr. Mike already made the "knucklehead" connection, don't know how I missed that before, sorry.
Columbus, OH USA - Saturday, July 31, 2010 at 11:21:09 (PDT)
For the record, gavoon, also spelled gavone, is an "embellished Brooklyn version" of "cafone," which is an Italian word for boor. Gavoon is used to indicate a knucklehead. This comes from a page on the internet called Brooklynisms compiled by Jim Lampos and Michaelle Pearson. Perhaps Mineo, who hailed from NY, suggested this term or maybe the writers came up with it, who knows?
Columbus, OH USA - Saturday, July 31, 2010 at 11:10:42 (PDT)
Just in case you missed it, here's a video of the theme as newly recorded in the Burbank studio: http://exm.nr/cLT196 Shaka!
Los Angeles, CA USA - Saturday, July 31, 2010 at 11:03:53 (PDT)
Mineo, as the last name suggests, was Italian. The gangsters might have been Jewish, or Italian, doesn't really matter that much. Five-O often had gangsters with ethnically ambiguous names(Bombay for example), with the exception of the Mutual Concern episode. I assume the Vashons were supposed to be French, even though Honore was also played by a Jewish actor, Harold Gould, because of Old Nick's usage of the French word for pig(I think there was a thread on this page about that a while back, but it was inconclusive), but I don't know if that was ever stated outright in any of the episodes. Maybe the show was wary of making certain ethnic groups angry with negative portrayals, which is why they gave the family the name Cordell instead of one that is obviously Italian, or Jewish. At any rate, the ethnicity of the actor isn't always the same as the character he portrays on Five-O(or in the movies for that matter). The most egregious examples are Mark Lenard in To Hell With Babe Ruth, and Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany's.
Columbus, OH USA - Saturday, July 31, 2010 at 11:00:18 (PDT)
"Mineo's character describes the local gangsters as "Primo Warriors" and "gavoons" (allegedly Brooklynese for a knucklehead)." - I suppose the Cordells could be Brooklyn Jews. That last name doesn't look particularly Italian. And if I'm not mistaken Sal, along with Nehemiah, was also a Jew in real life. And I don't know why but "gavoon" sounds Jewish.
Philadelphia, PA USA - Saturday, July 31, 2010 at 10:30:16 (PDT)
No idea what that cue is called. The names I gave to cues are just things that I made up. I'm sure if someone wants to go and look at UCLA where there is a collection of CBS music, that there would be names given to these cues.
I put the file here:
When I was dubbing this, the volume levels in this episode seemed VERY low, by the way ... I dunno if this is the way it is, or I screwed something up (the volume of the cue is normal).
Vancouver, BC - Saturday, July 31, 2010 at 09:01:33 (PDT)
There’s a snippet of music played at the end of The Singapore File (when McGarrett is the airport) and at the end of The Young Assassins (when McGarrett is beating the crap out of Army) which I love. I don’t think you have it among your collection on the homepage. Do you know what it is and is there any chance you can post it?
MO USA - Friday, July 30, 2010 at 20:30:49 (PDT)
From my anal-ysis of that episode:
Mineo's character describes the local gangsters as "Primo Warriors" and "gavoons" (allegedly Brooklynese for a knucklehead).
Vancouver, BC - Friday, July 30, 2010 at 20:19:17 (PDT)
Ringfire, I googled the word "gavoon" which is a slang term used by one of the hoods in Hit Gun for Sale, apparently it's an Italian term so I'm guessing the family is supposed to be Italian, which would also explain the copious amounts of pasta at the dinner table. "Shalom" means peace, so McGarrett was probably just making a joke, expressing that sentiment to a gangster.
Columbus, OH USA - Friday, July 30, 2010 at 20:15:06 (PDT)
Oh, the colour and look of the ambulances used in the show.
United Kingdom - Friday, July 30, 2010 at 12:23:12 (PDT)
[D]id they change the appearance of the ambulances?
What do you mean by "appearance"? They used several different ambulance companies throughout the show -- for example, Pacific, Physicians, City & County, etc.
Quite frequently in my anal-ysis pages I will make note of which ambulance company is used in some specific episode.
Hmmm... the code word for this entry is "REST" ... I wonder how many times an actual word appeared as a code word? ":-)
Vancouver, BC - Friday, July 30, 2010 at 08:41:46 (PDT)
Mike - Well the episode I'm trying to remember was one of the arson episodes.
Regarding the emergency services seen over the course of the twelve seasons, did they change the appearance of the ambulances? Might seem a strange question, but it's another aspect of the show which I notice when the Five-O team are at crime scenes.
United Kingdom - Friday, July 30, 2010 at 04:58:57 (PDT)
Funny comment from IMDB (my posting this does not necessarily mean that I agree with it ":-):
Some guy was responding to another poster who referred to the new show as "the rebirth of this great franchise"
Franchise??? That phrase definitely captures the sentiments of the folks over at CBS. I guess they'll be selling collectable Hawaii Five-O juice glasses at Burger King soon.
Vancouver, BC - Thursday, July 29, 2010 at 19:43:46 (PDT)
Mr. Mike, from memory I do seem to recall that there was something odd about the ending and how McGarrett is able to get a brainstorm about the real sniper. But as I haven't seen the episode in a long time I'll need to rewatch it once I get the DVD. But I think you're right... from recollection I do recall something about the loud music complaint not making sense to me. But I don't remember what it was exactly that wasn't sitting right with me. Will need a rewatch.
Philadelphia, PA USA - Thursday, July 29, 2010 at 19:34:32 (PDT)
"Last night I watched the creepy genius, Charles Aarons in the Computer Killer. Great episode in a not so great season." - yes season 7 was a step-down from the previous 6 awesome seasons and I just finished my season 7 set the other day. Season 8 arrived in the mail and I'll be starting that one - from recollection it seems to be of the same quality as season 7. It's season 9 that is a step-up in quality (for the last time unfortunately). Anyway, yes "Computer Killer" finishes in my TOP 5 episodes of season 7 - alongside "The Young Assassins", "I'll Kill 'em Again", "Bomb Bomb Who's Got the Bomb?", and "A Gun for McGarrett"! One question about "Hit Gun for Sale" (the only episode from that season that I have never seen before) - is Nehemiah Persoff's mobster character supposed to be Jewish? I thought I heard McGarrett say "shalom" to him when he pays him a visit. I know Nehemiah is Jewish... not sure about his Cordell character.
Philadelphia, PA USA - Thursday, July 29, 2010 at 19:29:41 (PDT)
The only episode I can recall which has a flamethrower is 3 Dead Cows at Makapuu. You don't want to have a flamethrower on the roof of a building, especially if it is in downtown Honolulu or somewhere like that. Flamethrowers are very serious pieces of equipment that have to be operated by people who are knowledgeable.
Vancouver, BC - Thursday, July 29, 2010 at 17:53:53 (PDT)
There was an episode of Hawaii Five-O which I saw a bit of on Granada Plus many years ago which I can't remember the title of. I'm sure there was a man in a white shirt who was using a flamethrower on the roof of a building. Does anyone know which episode this is?
United Kingdom - Thursday, July 29, 2010 at 16:52:44 (PDT)
What's wrong with being sexy?
Boston, MA USA - Thursday, July 29, 2010 at 16:28:15 (PDT)
Hawaii's media reaction to the pilot of H50,which they saw yesterday:
keeping it real
LA, CA USA - Thursday, July 29, 2010 at 15:41:37 (PDT)
Whew, I finished my re-viewing of all season 9 episodes ... 23 episodes in 8 days! My updated "anal-yses" are accessible by the link at the top of the page. Obviously there are lots of spoilers.
Vancouver, BC - Thursday, July 29, 2010 at 14:52:47 (PDT)
Fair enough, Mike! :-) It's sexist both ways, then! LOL!
We could say "hotties" which would cover both sexes.
MO USA - Thursday, July 29, 2010 at 14:24:19 (PDT)
Ringfire, I agree with you about Target -- A Cop ... up to a point. All the Stroud episodes are interesting, especially The Late John Louisiana. BUT ... I find the ending of this show kind of confusing. Maybe since you like it so much, you can enlighten me if I have missed something. To quote from my recently updated anal-ysis:
The end of this show does not make a lot of sense. The cops in the apartment are supposed to rig a stereo to play loud music so multiple complaint calls can be made to get Purdy's [the Stroud character] attention. But Ryder [Purdy's dope addict friend] gets nabbed by the cops after he flips his car, and the cops are convinced that he is the sniper, especially when there is lots of evidence to connect him to the crimes. (McGarrett is still skeptical, though, saying that he "can't accept the fact that junkie could shoot that well.") Police Captain Sakai (Seth Sakai) calls off the stakeout. But Purdy phones in a complaint about a blaring stereo coming from a car in a parking garage in the same building (is this just a coincidence?). McGarrett has a brainstorm that this may be the real sniper (I don't understand how he makes this connection) and he and Danno show up at the scene both wearing HPD cops' uniforms. The noise from the radio in the car seems to be coming from a white convertible in the apartment garage, but McGarrett instead looks at a dark car like a Mustang with a sunroof (why the camera focuses on the white car is hard to understand). The very end is more logical, with McGarrett suddenly flashing on the tire tracks made by Purdy's wheelchair, remembering there were similar tracks at one of the shooting scenes. Purdy is shot dead, and when Danno feels Purdy's neck for a pulse and finds none, he says "Pau," meaning "finished." The subtitles just translate this as "Oh."
Vancouver, BC - Thursday, July 29, 2010 at 14:05:22 (PDT)
Sally, "honey," if "broads" can drool over Lord, MacArthur and O'Loughlin, there is no reason why guys can't do the same thing ... with "dames," that is. I'll leave it to the "chicks" to be infatuated with the guys, though, I ain't no "old queen" (LOL).
Vancouver, BC - Thursday, July 29, 2010 at 13:58:00 (PDT)
Last night I watched the creepy genius, Charles Aarons in the Computer Killer. Great episode in a not so great season. And I do cherish the handful of Frank Kamana episodes. Aarons was a likeable character other than the little fact he strangled a couple of innocent people just to support his scheme.
Also, the season 7 theme song is much better than the kind of crappy season 8 version. From what I remember, season 9 had my favorite version of the intro theme before it went disco in 10 or 11.
Boston, MA USA - Thursday, July 29, 2010 at 13:44:14 (PDT)
"Babes" of Season 9? Isn't that sexist? :-) How about WOMEN AND MEN of Season 9?
I can't vote for any men at this time...I don't have my Season 9 set yet.
Regarding the new show. As time goes on, I'm finding that I'm looking forward to H5-0 2 more and more. They changed the music for the better (best musical theme in all of TV in my opinion!); there's the scenery; there's Scott Caan (who I never heard of until I saw the promo for this show)--he catches my attention more than Alex O'Loughlin (who I hadn't heard of either until the promo).
It won't be the Hawaii Five-0 we all love; but it just might be good. I'm giving it a chance and I'm not going to compare it to the original because that's like "comparing oranges and apples".
MO USA - Thursday, July 29, 2010 at 13:34:54 (PDT)
So looking forward to season 9. he deeper we get, the less I remember the episodes and sounds like there are several good ones.
Speaking of Jenny, one of her finest moments was in Most Likely to Murder when a very curvey witness comes into the office. She doesn't want to leave her and Steve alone, seemed jealous, very funny. I think it was Chin and Kono who's eyeballs pop out of their heads looking at her and she gives Jenny her number "make sure Mr McGarrett gets this" and Jenny is all attitude with this woman... never saw her that snippy...
Boston, MA - Thursday, July 29, 2010 at 13:26:38 (PDT)
I can't imagine anyone preferring any episode from season 9 more than the brilliant "Target-A Cop" and "A Capitol Crime". Not only the best of season 9 but my picks for the all-time great Five-0 eps! Don Stroud in the former and Dick Davalos in the latter are real nasty pieces of work! But overall season 9 was definitely a step up from 7 and 8. Looking forward to the DVD.
Philadelphia, PA USA - Thursday, July 29, 2010 at 11:34:43 (PDT)
Pauly ... Carole ... Lee. I can't decide! All good choices, Mr. Mike, but I think we have a tie (I would've said 3-way tie, but I wanted to keep this PG). I am guessing the acting award would go to Lee Purcell, though. It's been a long time since I saw any season 9 episodes except for Nine Dragons so I will have to wait and judge after the DVDs are released to us poor plain-joe consumers.
Shawnee, KS USA - Thursday, July 29, 2010 at 11:12:41 (PDT)
No, the opal show is #129, Flash of Color, Flash of Death, which is season 6. We are talking about the yet-to-be-released-on-DVD season 9 and the babes from same. In the earlier opal episode, there was another babe, Lynne Kimoto, whose voice in that episode was allegedly dubbed. Kimoto played the Five-O receptionist Lani in season 9's Blood Money is Hard to Wash. There was also another post-Jenny receptionist named Malia (or something like that). I think she is in season 9, but you never see her, you only hear her voice on the phone.
Vancouver, BC - Thursday, July 29, 2010 at 10:43:25 (PDT)
I didn't realize Don Knight was in that episode,
Was that the episode about the stolen opals?? If so, that WAS a very good ep...
Raleigh, NC USA1 - Thursday, July 29, 2010 at 10:22:07 (PDT)
Wow, from those pics, Pauly Gardner sure looks like she had some great acting skills!
I didn't realize Don Knight was in that episode, his other 5-O appearances were very good.
Pauly is working that hair style that was very popular at that time, the Toni Tennille look, or was it the Dorothy Hamill?
Boston, MA USA - Thursday, July 29, 2010 at 09:17:08 (PDT)
I can't for the life of me seeing it on this show, but did The Simpsons do a homage to the original Hawaii Five-O? I know they did one for Knight Rider ("Knightboat") and Law & Order ("Law & Order: Elevator Inspection Unit", or something like that).
United Kingdom - Thursday, July 29, 2010 at 08:30:52 (PDT)
IMO, this is what I think CBS is trying to achieve with the new version of the show. "Hawaii Five-O" is a brand - pure and simple. CBS wants to keep their older viewers but bring in the younger viewers as well and so they are going with a brand they know will have some chance of working. The older viewers and fans of the original series will most likely check out the newer one to see if measures up and newer viewers will come in because of the actors they have cast along with all the modern elements. Even if a younger viewer hasn't seen the original show they will definitely be familiar with the theme (and that's why the producers knew they had to get that right).
Even if the new show doesn't succeed it will probably arouse enough interest in the original show to boost syndication and DVD earnings. In other words, CBS is hedging their bets in going with a brand that is familiar (as well as being a tried and true one) in some way or another with most people.
Australia - Thursday, July 29, 2010 at 00:08:44 (PDT)
OK, who are the babes of season 9?
My nominees are Pauly Gardner (whose entire acting career was on three episodes of Five-O):
Man on Fire Pix #1
Man on Fire Pix #2
The Bells Toll at Noon Pix #1
The Bells Toll at Noon Pix #2
To Kill a Mind Pix #1
To Kill a Mind Pix #2
Requiem for a Saddle Bronc Rider Pix #1
Requiem for a Saddle Bronc Rider Pix #2
Requiem for a Saddle Bronc Rider Pix #3
and don't forget Lee Purcell in the season finale:
Practical Jokes Can Kill You Pix #1
Practical Jokes Can Kill You Pix #2
Practical Jokes Can Kill You Pix #3
Vancouver, BC - Wednesday, July 28, 2010 at 22:11:37 (PDT)
Here is the music for the end titles to "Nine Dragons." Note there is an additional 5 seconds of music not normally heard at the beginning, which was used for a "To be continued..." card when the show was split up into two parts for syndication purposes:
Vancouver, BC - Wednesday, July 28, 2010 at 21:44:45 (PDT)
Oscar, cut Alex a break. He has been filming all week and the weekend for hours everyday in Hawaii, had to film on Monday, fly here (5 hours) to LA last night, do the press tour panel, and he and Scott can't even stay for the party tonight. They are flying back to Hawaii (another 5 hours) to film tomorrow.
So he misspoke? Cut him some slack.
keeping it real
LA, CA USA - Wednesday, July 28, 2010 at 21:07:13 (PDT)
ALEX O’LOUGHLIN: Well, I remember the old show from when I was a kid. I mean, if you can remember, the old show was taken off TV 40 years ago. You know, it started over 50 years ago, and there’s been a lot of changes in television and in the way we act stylistically and with technology and with what we can do with the money that we have with special effects and stunts and all the rest of it.
Must be the jet lag...
Oscar van Hemel
Seattle, WA - Wednesday, July 28, 2010 at 20:48:07 (PDT)
From the press tour today:
CBS is planning to air episodes of the original Hawaii Five-0 on Spike leading to the premiere of the remake in September.
No word if this will be ongoing, or just a one-time stunt, but either way it's very cool that CBS is using the original series to help promote the new series, instead of ignoring it. Perhaps it possibly has something to do with the DVDs selling well, too.
Here's the link (jump to the end of the story):
Denver, CO USA - Wednesday, July 28, 2010 at 19:38:18 (PDT)
I dislike the reality shows myself---but we are definitely in the minority. I am glad you enjoy the old shows but again, you at your age are definitely in the minority. It doesn't mean you are wrong, just that you don't match the vast majority of viewers your age and what they like. I have a son in his 20's and he likes Burn Notice and shows like that.CBS has to survive and please your demographic. You don't represent that demo at all. No diss to you; you just don't. CBS and the advertisers know that, not just me.
The old H50 would not attract the overwhelming majority of young viewers now. The fact that you are on this site speaks that you are an avid fan. I have shows that I am an avid fan and my friends think I am nuts. But I know some of the shows I love a lot of people my age don't. We all make personal choices in what pleases us. The networks go with what is pleasing to the majority. It is a business."
Actually to tell you the truth Hawaii Five-O is the only cop show I can watch without having nightmares. Shows like CSI, NCIS, and others are just to graphic for me to watch. I can't even watch anything about Egyptian mummies I get freaked out and have nightmares. But I can watch The Mummy Trilogy without having any nightmares but not modern day cop shows go figure. Yeah way too many reality shows on television nowadays. I mostly watch my dvd's or I watch either the kids channel.
Yeah most of the shows on television nowadays are garbage. I just love watching Hawaii Five-O blame my mother for that. She use to watch it when it was on tv back then. I buy all the dvd's of the show because I just love it so much. Yeah my sister doesn't get why I watch Hawaii Five-O at all. I don't get some of the shows that she watches half the time.
MA - Wednesday, July 28, 2010 at 19:24:12 (PDT)
This is the complete transcript word for word, hesitation for hesitation, from the panel. Again, I will post the link so it doesn't get messed up. Here is an excerpt:
ALEX KURTZMAN: I think, for me, the word "remake" suggests that we're doing exactly the same thing, just doing it again. And I think in our experience in "Star Trek," we felt like you have to find the spirit of what that original franchise was about, and you have to really be true to it, and then you have to expand on it and bring it into the modern time with whatever rules will govern it. And I think what we felt like we really had to do was make sure that we were staying true to the spirit of the show, but bringing something new to the table that a modern audience would recognize. And for us, that's why the word "reboot," I think, just feels more appropriate.
BTW: We have been tweeting with the writers and they are Orci( big tweeter) and they are all the ones who you say are not staying. It is always a team working together. Just check the credits when the show begins. They are finishing episode 2.
keeping it real
LA, CA USA - Wednesday, July 28, 2010 at 18:57:27 (PDT)
Actually from my understanding the writers from Fringe only wrote the great action packed pilot. They are commited to writing for Fringe and another project that I can't remember at this second. Carol B. (I can't remember her full last name-sorry) wrote the second episode. She is a close and personal friend of Nina Tassler. She wrote for Swing Town, The Ex-List and Three Rivers. That worries me the most, because she doesn't have a very successful track record. The Fringe writers are great, but as I've said they are commited to writing for Fringe.
USA - Wednesday, July 28, 2010 at 17:43:47 (PDT)
Here is a link. The articles get messed up when they are put on the site, so the link should be easier to go to and read.
keeping it real
LA, CA USA - Wednesday, July 28, 2010 at 16:51:03 (PDT)
Thank you for a nice balanced and fair assessment.I have not had the pleasure of seeing the pilot myself, though I have friends who have.I agree that they are saying it is a reboot, not a remake, so you shouldn't expect a carbon copy of the original. The actors will need a few episodes to get a complete handle on their perspective characters and given an appropriate amount of time I suspect that will improve quickly.They are all good actors and even the show is going to need a little time to find its groove.That is reasonable.
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LA, CA USA - Wednesday, July 28, 2010 at 16:16:17 (PDT)
My 2-cents, now that I've actually viewed the pilot in its entirety (understanding that it could be changed a little here and there before it hits air):
*It's not like CSI or anything else on CBS; however, it's very similiar to "24", another show I watch and have enjoyed on occasion. A little lighter, perhaps, with more of a 2-man show, but filled with lots of (very strong) action sequences.
*Great character banter between Steve and Danno for the most part. The writers have made Danno the most interesting character in the pilot, thanks in huge part to Scott Caan's acting.
*Lame musical score throughout the show. Can't hold a candle to the scores from Stevens/Shores/Ray/et al. Hopefully this area will improve as the season goes on.
*Kono didn't have much to do other than act as bait for a criminal, and as eye candy for the viewer in the pilot. I suspect this helped sell the show, but that in fact her role will most likely get more developed as the show progresses.
*AOL did a great job with the action stuff and the stuntwork, and the character banter. Where he fell short in my opinion were the scenes where he had to be gruff and pissed and deliver some pissed-off monologues--he seemed to struggle a little bit making it sound convincing. I suspect this will improve as time goes on and he gets more comfortable with the role.
*Daniel Dae Kim was good, but very underutilized considering how big a part of LOST he was. This most likely will change as well as the season continues.
To give some background, I have a MASSIVE fan of the old series, as many here are aware, and have been enjoying recordings (and later the DVDs) of the show since 1986, when I discovered it in reruns. Mr. Mike can attest to my strong knowledge of the show, the episodes, the plots, the characters, the music cues, etc., so I have a lot of credibility as a die-hard fan. And my final take on this pilot is that, while it's nothing like the old show for the most part, it still was entertaining for those who like action-adventure shows as I do, and if taken on its own terms, you will enjoy it (it's not in the caliber of "Lost" or "The Sopranos", but it does seem better than a lot of the other crap on cable and network--it has some uniqueness to it). If you try to compare it side-by-side with the old one, you will most likely be very disappointed.
Whether they make the subsequent episodes better or worse than the pilot obviously remains to be seen, but they seem to be off to a pretty good start, and I think it has a shot at survival whereas other reboots have failed simply because they flat-out sucked in the writing and acting department. Anyhow, that's my take on it. Ask me again in a few months!
Denver, CO USA - Wednesday, July 28, 2010 at 16:02:40 (PDT)
Like I said before,you don't want to give it a chance, that is fine.I am just bringing the info about it over so you are all informed on what to expect. Your mindset is your own and nobody can change a closed mindset. I am reaching those of you that have stated you are going to give it a fair shot.
I hate straight procedurals also. Never watch any CSI's. But this is going to be a whole different show, IMO. If I see in a few episodes it is CSI Hawaii, I will also tune out. But knowing the writers are from Fringe and the new Star Trek movie and Transformers, Die Hard and Underworld (director Len Wiseman), I don't see a CSI in the making.
keeping it real
LA , CA USA - Wednesday, July 28, 2010 at 15:23:00 (PDT)
And some more: LOL
1) The original version of the hallowed theme song, after some experimentation with a heavy guitar version that went out with the original pilot, had to be kept.
"It had been suggested at one point that we get a really popular rock star to redo the theme with an electric guitar," Kurtzman said, adding that they realized "you cannot change the original theme. ... This is one of those things that we have to be utterly respectful to, to the point that we found the original musicians to do it."
2) O'Loughlin's Steve McGarrett will be different ... in some ways.
"I love Jack Lord's McGarrett. I loved Jack Lord's hair. I loved Jack Lord's version," O'Loughlin said. "Our Steve McGarrett is a little different. He's stoic in a lot of ways, he's a military guy. There's a lot of ways where he's black and white. ... (but) I found a lot of layers to this guy.
"You didn't know much about the char Jack Lord played, whereas in the pilot you learn a lot about my character."
3) The show is a "reboot," not a "remake."
"For me, the word 'remake' suggests we're doing the exact same thing," Kurtzman said. "You have to find the spirit of what that franchise is about ... you have to be really true to it. And then you have to bring it to modern times. .. That's why the word 'reboot' just feels more appropriate."
Said O'Loughlin: "I remember the old show from when I was a kid. I remember when the old show was taken off TV 40 years ago. There've been a lot of changes in television, in the way we act, stylistically, what we can do with special effects. ... It's not a remake ... we're not picking up where they left off ... it's a reboot."
4) Though not completely a buddy cop show, Danno has a more proactive role in the new version than in the old.
"When I sort of dove into this thing," Lenkov said, "and talked to Alex (Kurtzman) about what made the original show so good and so memorable, was the cases week to week. We wanted to go into those characters, but I think we felt we needed McGarrett to play off somebody. Danno would be a good foil. ... These two guys would be front and center in this show. McGarrett leading the unit and Dano being his right-hand man, but (working together)."
keeping it real
LA, CA USA - Wednesday, July 28, 2010 at 15:13:59 (PDT)
I am a big CSI fan and that " with cases(and not all solved in one show, they have said) and characters also being important.There will also be a long standing arc which will cover the whole season. At the Comic Con they said there would be three parts to H50:1) the case(the procedural), 2) the characters and family side, and 3) the storyline that encompasses the whole season and develops slowly." is exactly what all CSI are about.They all have 1)the case of the week , 2)the characters and family side (Sarah and Grissom)(Katherine and her husband/daughter)and 3) the storyline that develops slowly (the miniature killer to mention just one). So what's new here?.The remake is just another typical CBS procedural. You can like it or not,but the truth is that there is nothing diferent about this new Hawaii five 0 and CSI Las Vegas,Miami or NY.
- Wednesday, July 28, 2010 at 15:10:54 (PDT)
More pertinent info:
TCA Press Tour 2010: Don't call CBS's Hawaii Five-0 a remake
Posted by Rosario T. Calabria on July 28, 2010 at 5:11 pm
Producers of the upcoming CBS drama Hawaii Five-0 want to make one thing perfectly clear: They're rebooting, not remaking, the classic series.
"We're trying to do the same thing we did with 'Star Trek," said executive producer Alex Kurtzman, who was also one of the key forces behind the big-screen return of the popular science-fiction series in 2008. "We have to find the spirit of what the original was all about, and then expand the rules and bring something new and fresh to the table."
Where the original show was more focused on solving the weekly cases, producers say their version will be more lighthearted and include a lot of banter between stars Alex O'Loughlin (Det. Steve McGarrett) and Scott Caan (Det. Danny Williams). There will also be subtle references to the original series and then of course there's the theme song:
"That is one of those things that had to be respected," noting that some of the musicians who played on the original theme were recruited for the new version," said Kurtzman. "A great theme song is a lost art," he said. "It would be a huge disservice not to bring it back."
Hawaii Five-0 premieres Monday, September 20, 2010 on CBS.
keeping it real
LA, CA USA - Wednesday, July 28, 2010 at 15:09:48 (PDT)
I dislike the reality shows myself---but we are definitely in the minority. I am glad you enjoy the old shows but again, you at your age are definitely in the minority. It doesn't mean you are wrong, just that you don't match the vast majority of viewers your age and what they like. I have a son in his 20's and he likes Burn Notice and shows like that.CBS has to survive and please your demographic. You don't represent that demo at all. No diss to you; you just don't. CBS and the advertisers know that, not just me.
The old H50 would not attract the overwhelming majority of young viewers now. The fact that you are on this site speaks that you are an avid fan. I have shows that I am an avid fan and my friends think I am nuts. But I know some of the shows I love a lot of people my age don't. We all make personal choices in what pleases us. The networks go with what is pleasing to the majority. It is a business.
keeping it real
LA, CA USA - Wednesday, July 28, 2010 at 14:58:45 (PDT)
The difference between a straight procedural and the new H50 is that a straight procedural is all about solving the weekly case---not about developing the characters. The new H50 is about FAMILY, not just the case-of-the-week. The old H50 was a procedural circa 1968-1980. The CBS CSI's were the procedurals circa 2000-2010. H50 is the new procedural with cases(and not all solved in one show, they have said) and characters also being important.There will also be a long standing arc which will cover the whole season. At the Comic Con they said there would be three parts to H50:1) the case(the procedural), 2) the characters and family side, and 3) the storyline that encompasses the whole season and develops slowly.
You can, of course, choose to write it off without giving it a chance---that is your choice. If you already have it in your head that this is CSI-Hawaii, you would be wrong, but you will be hard to convince otherwise. I am cool with that. I am more interested in anyone out there that is open-minded enough to give this show a fair shot.
keeping it real
LA, CA USA - Wednesday, July 28, 2010 at 14:49:39 (PDT)
Honestly. CBS will always say theit new shows are great. Same as the other networks. Remake, Reboot. Same meaning. This is just another CBS procedural. Viewers will tell how really is. I really don't care for it at all
- Wednesday, July 28, 2010 at 14:13:55 (PDT)
OK. Here is what you can expect from the horse's mouth, so to speak. This just occurred at the Television Critics Tour in a live blog. I will post anything I think will answer some of your questions:
[Lengthy blog posting has been removed, it was later replaced a transcript of the whole session, which can be read here.]
There was some more, but I hope this answers some of your questions.
The choice for you is simple;enjoy the reboot ( not remake) or not. Everyone is different. Hope this was helpful! :-)
keeping it real
LA, CA USA - Wednesday, July 28, 2010 at 13:49:13 (PDT)
"25%? I am sorry to disappoint you but that number isn't even close. Anyone born after 1980 does not watch the old show. Actually let's say after 1970, because I doubt many younger than 10 watched it either.That is a LOT of people. CBS is not looking for more viewers our age. That is the monkey they want OFF of their backs. H50 is not going to copy the old show, nor should they. H50 was their show,not yours. I know that is hard to believe. They made the original work FOR ITS TIME. This show is also their show and they know the old one is long past its prime."
Sorry but I was born in 1986 and I started watching Hawaii Five-O in 1997 when I was 11 1/2 years old. The reason why I started watching it is because my mother use to watch it all the time when it was on back than. I really think people after 1980 do watch the show. Also to tell you the truth I rather watch shows from the 50's, 60's, and 70's than the garbage that is on television today like the reality shows that are on every single channel. So to say people from this generation don't watch Hawaii Five-O is utter crap. Sorry that's my two cents on this subject. Oh also I will try to give the new show a chance to see if it lives up to the original which I doubt by the way.
MA - Wednesday, July 28, 2010 at 12:52:52 (PDT)
When you say people born after 1970/1980 don't watch old show. Are you referring to just the original Hawaii Five-O or any old shows, because I hate to say I am in that age bracket and I watch many old series from before then. I have watched Hawaii Five-O, The Odd Couple (my favorite) and I have passed my love of shows on to my own children that sit down and watch many old series from the 60's.
I have to agree with Pam, if they don't want the new series to be compared with the original, they should have given it a new name and new characters. You can't have one without the other. You can't keep saying it's not the same but a new version and we kept all the characters, theme song and title the same. I do know someone who has seen the entire pilot and they were unimpressed and the panel of the "young" audience CBS is going for also wasn't impressed. Actually a young man got up in the middle and walked out. I just read something at THR that said the new version is dark and violent.
USA - Wednesday, July 28, 2010 at 12:15:02 (PDT)
25%? I am sorry to disappoint you but that number isn't even close. Anyone born after 1980 does not watch the old show. Actually let's say after 1970, because I doubt many younger than 10 watched it either.That is a LOT of people. CBS is not looking for more viewers our age. That is the monkey they want OFF of their backs. H50 is not going to copy the old show, nor should they. H50 was their show,not yours. I know that is hard to believe. They made the original work FOR ITS TIME. This show is also their show and they know the old one is long past its prime.
It is their money on the line, not yours. And because they are the number one network in # of viewers (FOX being #1 in all other categories, BTW)they know what they need to do. Their #1 problem is having such an old demographic. Hopefully H50 will survive because it appeals to the younger viewers that the advertisers want.
keeping it real
LA, CA USA - Wednesday, July 28, 2010 at 11:57:07 (PDT)
"Try to go into this with fresh eyes and try not to spend every second trying to compare every detail with the old show because that is unfair." If they didn't want to be compared with a very good old show ,they should had tried a new fresh idea instead of a remake. That is one of the reasons why remakes never work.
"Try to enjoy the show free of comparisons, as that is what 95% of the viewers will do since many never watched the old show or worshiped it." CBS is an old people network.Most CBS viewers are over 45 .You can bet most of the CBS viewers have watched the Original.Instead of 95%, try 25%.
- Wednesday, July 28, 2010 at 11:42:41 (PDT)
I think whether the new show as 50 explosions a season or two is relatively unimportant. They have to do what audiences want today, not 30 years ago. The more important issue is the chemistry between the leads. That takes time to build and will take time for the viewers to care about. I think you just have to be careful not to expect the same chemistry immediately the first few episodes. You are comparing a show that was on for 12 years. The new show deserves an equal chance to get its legs under it. Some of the concerns I have seen mentioned here are so picky. This is Hawaii Five O, yes, but it has to be its own show as well. They said at Comic Con that they worked very hard to pay homage to the old show but it isn't going to be the old show. It will be new and updated with respect shown to the original.
If you go into this hoping for the scripts to be written exactly the same as they were 30 years ago, you will be disappointed. Their bottom line is to please enough viewers to stay on the air for more than one season. They have to bring H50 into the 21 century. It isn't fair to ask them to photocopy the old show. If they had, you would all be upset that the characters weren't as perfect as the old show and would be upset that they didn't copy it exactly.
Either way they would lose with all of you.
Try to go into this with fresh eyes and try not to spend every second trying to compare every detail with the old show because that is unfair. Try to enjoy the show free of comparisons, as that is what 95% of the viewers will do since many never watched the old show or worshiped it. I watched it but to me back then it was just another show. I haven't memorized or rewatched any episodes.CBS is going for the younger viewers. That is what the advertisers want and that is what pays CBS's bills.
keeping it real
LA, CA USA - Wednesday, July 28, 2010 at 11:20:04 (PDT)
"Not to mention...Al Harrington. That's about as "un-Hawaiian-sounding" as it gets. :-)" - very true but it's easy to accept Ben as a Hawaiian or a Samoan or whatever he was. He sure didn't look like a haole to me. He had that dark look. Duke, on the other hand, seemed like a haole to me. Although when I look at him now I certainly see some Hawaiian features in him. But I didn't before. Somehow it just didn't occur to me. He was just... well... Duke.
Philadelphia, PA USA - Wednesday, July 28, 2010 at 10:50:51 (PDT)
If the new version doesn't have "Be There, Aloha!" or "Book'em, Danno!" it might have a chance of survival. On the other hand, without those tag lines, it's just another cop show with special scenery! Good Luck!
Valrico, FL USA - Wednesday, July 28, 2010 at 10:27:18 (PDT)
"And to be honest, they didn't have the capabilities to do explosions, etc., back in those days." Hmmm....are we referring to the same series, Keeping It Real? McG was blown up several times throughout the series run, including in his office, on a boat, and I think in his car once. And including the numerous helicoptor explosions, they (the crooks) even blew up a land commissioner in the very second ep of season 1 (Strangers in Our Land) and then blew up the bulldozer at the end of the same episode! I think the concern here (of Five-0 purists) is not the fact that the remake has explosions, it just that we shouldn't see one every 30 seconds or so, otherwise this show will look like a remake of A-Team instead of Five-0.
Raleigh, NC USA - Wednesday, July 28, 2010 at 09:10:02 (PDT)
And just another note on "Singapore File." Stevens' Five-0 scores tend to be just that -- true scores, where one or more distinct motifs are introduced and heard in various forms throughout a single episode. The motifs from the Stevens scores, once introduced, are widely re-used as part of the library from that point forward, but the converse tends not to be true; that is, Stevens scores tend not to incorporate motifs or cues from the library, with one glaring exception -- "The Singapore File". This score uses a number of cues from Shores' "Sweet Terror" score, and a few others as well. Just an oddity....
Washington, DC USA - Wednesday, July 28, 2010 at 08:26:49 (PDT)
Actually, other than the first season, Stevens typically scored only a few shows per season. I don't have materials with me, but in S2 through S5, I believe the list is the following:
S2 -- "A Thousand Pardons", "Singapore File"
S3 -- "Trouble in Mind", "Over Fifty? Steal!"
S4 -- "Highest Castle", "No Bottles", "90-Second War"
S5 -- "Death Is a Company Policy", "I'm a Family Crook"
Even in the first season, though almost all the music is by Stevens, most of it was introduced through scores in a half-dozen or so early episodes.
Washington, DC USA - Wednesday, July 28, 2010 at 08:04:23 (PDT)
Actually, in the original series, he was frequently referred to with the middle initial "J." There has been some question about whether McGarrett was joking with the "Aloysius" reference.
Pembroke Pines, FL USA - Wednesday, July 28, 2010 at 07:44:45 (PDT)
Question: Just curious. Why are the two names, "McGarrett" not the same? Jack Lord was "Steven Aloysius McGarrett" (his middle name revealed in "A Gun for McGarrett"). Alex O'Loughlin plays "Stephen J. McGarrett". I'm thinking the new producers didn't do any "name researching" regarding Jack Lord's character.
It's not important really; I'm just wondering.
MO USA - Wednesday, July 28, 2010 at 06:53:58 (PDT)
Not to mention...Al Harrington. That's about as "un-Hawaiian-sounding" as it gets. :-)
MO USA - Wednesday, July 28, 2010 at 06:43:25 (PDT)
Mike, thanks for the article on the Hawaii Five-0 musical theme. I can attest as to how hard it is to play (like the trumpet player said)because it was VERY difficult to learn this song on the piano. I still struggle with it. The hardest part, I think, is the tempo...it varies so much. The notes are all over the place--some so high and so low that they go way above and below the staff. I know what it should sound like, of course, it's just not easy to get that perfect sound.
MO USA - Wednesday, July 28, 2010 at 06:39:34 (PDT)
I am worried that when and if the Capitol soundtrack is reissued on CD, it will only be that recording and nothing else. This soundtrack is not even 30 minutes long!
According to a record producer in the U.K. that I was corresponding with 12 years ago, Capitol would not allow any compilations (i.e., adding some other Capitol soundtrack like I Spy, The Untouchables, or Staccato) or adding any original music from the series (which CBS owns the rights to anyway, as far as I am aware).
I don't know if this has changed...
Vancouver, BC - Tuesday, July 27, 2010 at 22:53:20 (PDT)
Ya she should be ignored ;) It was a couple months ago but I’ll try to find the URL to the discussion for you. Its hers alright- she was really proud of what she wrote. OK just saw the latest - diminished in her eyes? LMAO there!
I have an open mind about the new show-just don’t need it shoved down my throat esp. by someone insulting the original, its so low.
louisville, ky - Tuesday, July 27, 2010 at 20:28:50 (PDT)
Well now. Thanks to some very poor moderating, the flaming continues, which is why respectable sites don't allow posts like those of JC. Without anything I have done rude myself, I am now being targeted by others as well. Commendable job, Mr. Mike. I am being accused of something just because anonymous JC cruises around to other sites and then blackballs me from his own so-called findings. Nice, real nice.
keeping it real
LA, CA USA - Tuesday, July 27, 2010 at 20:23:25 (PDT)
"That speaks volumes to the credibility of your site which has now diminished substantially in my eyes" - don't let the door hit you on your way out. Jeez...
Philadelphia, PA USA - Tuesday, July 27, 2010 at 20:18:15 (PDT)
"Disses and laughs at the original and fans." -- Oh dear! How will all of us true fans of the original sleep tonight?
Philadelphia, PA USA - Tuesday, July 27, 2010 at 20:14:17 (PDT)
Mr. Mike, I sent you two E-mails, one for each personal attack by JC, and you put on your site that I didn't? I had to send them through my hotmail account because I can't access your Outlook address. [No idea what you mean by "Outlook address."] But I sent them to email@example.com so you should have them. [I would if you had sent them to my correct e-mail address, which is not that one. Try replacing the "G" with a "Q".] Do you seriously allow a member here to harass another member directly like this? I don't even know who JC is and he/she is such a coward that they don't say who they are [Seems to me this person is just as anonymous as you are.] or why they say I am who I am? Why aren't you deleting those attacks on me? Telling this JC to ignore me is incredible to me. [If this person ignored your comments, then we wouldn't be having this discussion, would we?] You should delete his attacks. Instead, you allow them? JC, whoever you are, you are a coward. Mr. Mike, I am appalled that you let direct personal attacks occur on your site. ["Seriously," I have been on the Internet for almost 20 years and I think you have absolutely no idea of what a "personal attack" is.] I have posted nothing rude to any member here. [I never said you did.] My opinions have been given without insulting anyone, yet this JC is obviously comfortable insulting me here. That speaks volumes to the credibility of your site which has now diminished substantially in my eyes.
keeping it real
LA, CA USA - Tuesday, July 27, 2010 at 19:56:31 (PDT)
Mr. Mike, I know from cruising a few sites for the new show,she posts at one of them ALOT. Disses and laughs at the original and fans. She bragged there about something she posted here - brought her same post there to show them including her signoff calling herself "keeping it real". I just think it sucks. [Just ignore this person. What is the URL where this "other posting" was made? It is possible for people to repost stuff in multiple places, you know. Just look at Twitter. The amount of duplication of similar material is ridiculous. - MQ.]
louisville, ky - Tuesday, July 27, 2010 at 19:13:12 (PDT)
I have reported you to Mike for harassment and for personal attacks directed at me. [No, you haven't. - MQ]
keeping it real
LA, CA USA - Tuesday, July 27, 2010 at 17:43:46 (PDT)
@ "keeping it real" you also call yourself "willing freshie" whatever that means so don't play games or try to turn this into a battlefield. You should stick to stalking O'Laughlin and let us honor our show. [How do you know these are the same person? Do you have access to their IP addresses or something? - MQ]
louisville, ky - Tuesday, July 27, 2010 at 17:37:09 (PDT)
Mort Stevens composed the music for a lot more than "several" Five-O episodes, that's for sure.
And he had another interesting job: Arranger for a lot of music performed by the Boston Pops during the Arthur Fiedler and John Williams eras.
Pembroke Pines, FL USA - Tuesday, July 27, 2010 at 17:29:04 (PDT)
JC: Who are you and who is willing freshie?
And why do you care WHO I am? Stick to talking about the topic at hand.
keeping it real
LA, CA USA - Tuesday, July 27, 2010 at 17:09:17 (PDT)
Lengthy and interesting story about the Five-O theme:
Vancouver, BC - Tuesday, July 27, 2010 at 16:49:35 (PDT)
"Steve liked to be clever and I guess some might view that as entrapment, I don’t."
I'm pretty sure in a court of law there are more than a handful of old 5-O cases that get thrown out for entrapment, some were really blatant. They were clever too, but that doesn't make it legal.
keeping it real, I'm the one who brought up entrapment and I'm not a chronic new 5-O basher, so you're argument doesn't hold up on that one...
Boston, MA USA - Tuesday, July 27, 2010 at 16:42:28 (PDT)
"keeping it real" goes by "willing freshie" or something on other sites and always tries to argue with the members! Let us discuss our show and say if we have a reservation about the new one without you butting in to say we are wrong OK?
louisville , ky - Tuesday, July 27, 2010 at 16:21:38 (PDT)
--> Okay, look I was just trying to point out that one criticism was not necessarily entirely true. There are things are new show that I like, and others that make me nervous, but I’m willing to wait and see. But one thing you have to remember about Five-O is that it lasted for 12 seasons there are times when the series contradicted itself (stick around and we might share some more the infamous ones) so it’s not shocking that us fans can contradict ourselves as well, especially when two people can look at the same thing and see it differently. Steve liked to be clever and I guess some might view that as entrapment, I don’t. Yes, some of it would never work in the real world, but that’s why it’s a TV show. That’s still different in my book from someone beating up a captured suspect for information. And I take full immunity and means to mean that they don’t follow the rules, I could be wrong. These are cops not the CIA and I hope the new show leans more the former though I get the sense it might be the later (key word "might" as we only have info on the pilot). Finally, there is a difference between bashing and listing concerns; the question is one being fair and willing to give the show some credit for what it does right.
USA - Tuesday, July 27, 2010 at 16:05:55 (PDT)
I feel a bit foolish for admitting this but when I was younger it never occurred to me that Duke was Hawaiian. I still remember the episode that I discovered he was Hawaiian - it was the 12th season opener "A Lion in the Streets" when Duke tells Steve that no one of Hawaiian blood is allowed to talk to him. I still recall how shocked I was! I mean the name Duke reminds me of some royalty from England or something. Certainly not Hawaiian. And the name Herman Wedemeyer certainly is not a Hawaiian name. I just remember being caught totally off-guard by this. Although the last name Lukela should have definitely raised some warning signs. And keep in mind this was long before I learned about the great Hawaiian surfer Duke Kahanamoku whose statue stands on the beach in Waikiki! Just wondering if I'm alone in assuming that Duke was a haole...
Philadelphia, PA USA - Tuesday, July 27, 2010 at 15:27:47 (PDT)
Well, someone said that they didn't do explosions and that that was what they disliked about the new H50. Now someone says they did whenever there was a car chase? I haven't watched the show in years, so which is it?
Someone posted that McGarrett never broke the rules and someone else posted this:
"One thing about the old show that would never fly today is the amount of entrapment that occurs. I’ve noticed several episodes where they induce a suspect to commit a crime which I believe is illegal in most cases?"
If you guys don't even agree on what the differences are, why are you bashing the new show?
keeping it real
LA, CA USA - Tuesday, July 27, 2010 at 15:17:49 (PDT)
Actually, cars exploding is one of the things the new show is staying true to the original on. I remember getting my hands on the 7th season for the first time and thinking at the end of the first disk if was it possible for an episode to go by without something exploding. Anytime in Five-O if there was a car chase we knew it how it would end...the car would blow up. I always found the episodes where someone shots a rifle at a helicopter and the helicopter explodes to be amusing.
The point that about seeing the relationships develop is well taken, in the original we get the sense that Five-O team has been working together for awhile so tension in a story about the team forming would be natural.
My issue with the new show is the sense that McGarrett and Five-O exist out of rules of law, the full means and immunity thing. This runs against what McGarrett stood for; Steve would make sure they got the bad guys but he refused to cross the line to do so. Now, there was times they came close "Cry Lie" may be a prime example, but the "Young Assassins" is an episode where Steve wouldn't bend the rules even with Danno's life on the line. This new McGarrett seems more than willing to cross the line. This difference is what bothers me about the new show. Though Steve may learn as the he gains distance from his father's death I just we'll have to wait and see.
USA - Tuesday, July 27, 2010 at 14:39:16 (PDT)
>>>And to be honest, they didn't have the capabilities to do explosions, etc., back in those days.<<<
Well... you've obviously never seen the ending to "Anybody Can Build A Bomb"
Newport Beach, CA USA - Tuesday, July 27, 2010 at 13:15:20 (PDT)
Just like Hans said,how do you know how they are going to play it out? And to be honest, they didn't have the capabilities to do explosions, etc., back in those days.Realism is more noticed today then back then.I also agree that you guys want this show to jump in and form a relationship with you from the pilot episode. You can't expect the viewers to care right off the bat for the new team; they have to begin those relationships. How is it fair to talk about how the team worked in the original H50 when they were on for 12 years? I suggest you try to give this show a chance to build the character development and the methods they use for investigating instead of blasting it because they also have explosions. I would bet that if the original show had those capabilities, they would have used them.I don't see intelligent investigations and figuring out how to get the bad guys mutually exclusive from a car exploding---I mean seriously?
keeping it real
LA, CA USA - Tuesday, July 27, 2010 at 12:13:09 (PDT)
CBS has posted video of the Comic Con panel on their website: http://www.cbs.com/comiccon2010/video/?pid=iWAqTQP3nvPolACUpU4NXiPtLgpXRSxn&vs=Default&play=true
I'm not sure if this will play outside the US but hopefully it will work for anyone interested.
New Haven, CT USA - Tuesday, July 27, 2010 at 11:25:07 (PDT)
One thing about the old show that would never fly today is the amount of entrapment that occurs. I’ve noticed several episodes where they induce a suspect to commit a crime which I believe is illegal in most cases?
Also, the way McGarrett calls the newspaper and tells them to hold off on a story and other times he tells them what to write and what to leave out. Can you imagine this happening in 2010?! Don’t get me wrong, I loved all that stuff and wish that’s how it really worked but these might be some of those things where people call it out of touch and if included it could get the show laughed off the air in a hurry…
Boston, MA USA - Tuesday, July 27, 2010 at 08:51:03 (PDT)
For those who don’t like the new show, how many episodes have you all seen? I haven’t seen any so I can’t comment either way. I disliked the new version of theme song but it appears they fixed it in a big way so thumbs up there. The show itself could be a work in progress the same way. Most pilots pale compared to the show a season or 2 in.
Boston, MA USA - Tuesday, July 27, 2010 at 08:49:45 (PDT)
Thank you a lot Big Chicken! I feel the same way. At home we are big fans of the Original. This remake is a a diferent thing, they have taken away all that made us loved the Original. This is just another CBS cop procedural.I really don't care about it.
- Tuesday, July 27, 2010 at 07:42:16 (PDT)
Bravo, Big Chicken! You got it right.
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Tuesday, July 27, 2010 at 06:03:36 (PDT)
Meant to say "speechifying about law and justice" in that prior post. Sorry bout that Mr. Mike. Know you run a tight ship as far as grammar and typos :)
Seattle, WA USA - Monday, July 26, 2010 at 23:10:52 (PDT)
I would have welcomed an updating of Five-O, 'keeping it real', but just to remake it as a generic, by the numbers action show… C’mon. The essence of Five-O wasn’t explosions and fisticuffs, it was Steve and the boys out-thinking and out police-working the bad guys.
More than a tough guy - Steve McGarrett was a thinking man’s detective. I don’t know no other TV cop who quoted poetry, recited Latin, and engaged in such genuine specifying bout’ law and justice. As Radio Birdman sung it “McGarrett’s one cool guy, the guilty will not go free”
Seattle, WA USA - Monday, July 26, 2010 at 23:04:10 (PDT)
Hey guys, the DVDs are selling cheap again. I just ordered season 8 ($26.00) and season 3 ($20.00) from Amazon! Seasons 1 & 2 are around $15.00 - really cheap! I noticed this about a month ago but then they quickly jumped back up to the usual $35.00. Now they're back down again!
Philadelphia, PA USA - Monday, July 26, 2010 at 16:34:45 (PDT)
Thanks, Mr. Mike, for that post. It is so aggravating when people use their own thoughts/words/opinions to twist what others might or might not have said. DDK is a class act and from all I have read, he was very real about the show being updated but never disrespectful.
And to Big Al, I agree with you about using former cast members and guest stars like they did in the old series. I am confident that they will use James MacArthur one way or another if his health is good. What a tribute to the old series that would be. I can see him playing a recurring role as the father of Scott Caan's Danno. They certainly look like they could be father/son. He could come in from New Jersey to occasionally visit Danno and Danno's daughter. He could reminice about the time he spent in Hawaii perhaps when he was stationed there. And to take it one step further, at the end of whatever scenario the writers would conjur up, McGarrett could defer to James MacArthur's character and let him say to his son, "Book 'em Danno" What a hoot!
The other person I would like to see them bring back is Marj Dusay. She is certainly a fan favorite. And CBS certainly likes her as she was with CBS for years on "The Guiding Light" which ended it's run last September.
Chicago, IL USA - Monday, July 26, 2010 at 16:00:15 (PDT)
Steve - That's fine what you've described about "Assault on the Palace". I wanted to know about the print quality of the episode and episodic promo. That kind of thing.
United Kingdom - Monday, July 26, 2010 at 15:50:18 (PDT)
I am not offended by anything Daniel Dae Kim says in the interviews (that you provided the URLs). And I agree with you...it seems that DDK is not the type to trash-talk the Five-0 #1, Five-0 #2, Lost, or any other show.
Midwest, MO USA - Monday, July 26, 2010 at 15:48:49 (PDT)
Wave_Crest - not sure what you want to know about 'Assault on the Palace', but print wise, the colours for this episode on the DVD release are exceptionally vibrant - reds really coming alive. That aside, its another very good / entertaining episode - season 9 is so far proving to be pretty good.
UK - Monday, July 26, 2010 at 11:56:28 (PDT)
I saw the same interview that Rainbow saw; the G4 clip. DDK didn't say half the things Rainbow claims. He was never disrespectful to the old H50. But you have to be realistic. It does need serious updating. That is just a fact. It would never fly in today's TV world. Why is that something bad to say? None of the shows from back then would ever make it today. That doesn't take anything away from the original show. They represented TV at that time perfectly and successfully. Now is another era. I think the time has come to love and remember the old series for what it was, and welcome the new one for what it is. I am 55 years old and I am glad TV has changed. I loved this show back then and probably would be bored with it now. Technology and acting styles are all different. This is no different than sports. Football and soccer and all sports are different in how they are played.
keeping it real
LA, CA USA - Monday, July 26, 2010 at 11:04:48 (PDT)
I had no idea Sharon F was in season 9...
I'm looking forward to seeing that and also the "You Dirty Rat" episode.
Boston, MA USA - Monday, July 26, 2010 at 10:58:26 (PDT)
"'A Capitol Crime' ...interesting wardrobe choice for Sharon Farrell in this ep!" HaHa!!! ....or should we say, Rick....interesting wardrobe omission!!
Raleigh, NC USA - Monday, July 26, 2010 at 10:20:58 (PDT)
You know, when someone says "I saw" or "I read" something (presumably via the Internet), it would be really nice if they had a specific link or copied and pasted the exact text if it appeared in print.
I did a search at http://g4tv.com just now and came up with three stories featuring Daniel Dae Kim or Hawaii Five-O:
From May 25:
From May 26:
From Comic-Con, July 24:
In none of the above, DDK is "trash-talking" the show.
From what I have seen of his recent interviews, this would be totally out of character for DDK, though I wouldn't put it past some moronic TV interviewer to pose questions like this (like the one who suggested to O'Loughlin that the show was "cheesy"). As far as DDK it concerned, it would certainly fall into the category of "biting the hand that feeds him."
So where is this mysterious interview?
Vancouver, BC - Monday, July 26, 2010 at 08:22:01 (PDT)
I wonder which seasons / episodes DDK was watching? That makes a huge difference. In the last couple of weeks I watched a lot of Season 2 which has many shinning moments. But this weekend I popped in Season 7, and I have to say, in comparison it was brutally boring, painfully slow, and very outdated.
As far as being disrespectful, he does sound kind of smarmy but I don’t bother with these people outside of their work. Many of my favorite singers and actors are jerks in real life. I hear Jack Lord was no prince either but that has no effect on me, I like his acting and I want to be entertained. I’m not looking to them to be the ideal neighbor or someone to marry my daughter…
Boston, MA USA - Monday, July 26, 2010 at 07:56:35 (PDT)
While I'm going to watch the new show and keep an open mind, I was disturbed by an interview I saw with Daniel Dae Kim over the weekend that was on the G4 television network this past saturday. It was televised coverage of the ComicCon and he was being interviewed by a "host" to use the term loosely and he was extremely disrespectful to the original Hawaii Five-O show. He played lip service to it at first being an "iconic" show and then proceded to rip into the series. He started by saying he recently watched the old show again and how dated it was and slow and it "badly" needed updating because "times have changed" and we needed to update it because we are more spohisticated today and we had to have a new version of it for today's sensibilities." He and the host then went on to say some things in general like the Jack Lord series was so ancient that it was made in 1875. That was their attitude. Now, I know he has to sell his new job and show at ComicCon, and I know the show went off the air 30 years ago, and yes in some areas it is dated, but the show for those who watch on DVD and on reruns still is better than 95% of what is on tv for today's "sensibilities" right now. He seemed extremly immature and if he thinks the old show was "slow", maybe that means it was too smart for him and the plots had intelligence as opposed to the garbage on the tube today. I'm going to watch and give the new chnace a shot because that's the right thing to do, but he was too disrepectful of the old show in that interview for my tastes. You can plug your show without tearing down the earlier version.
New York, NY USA - Monday, July 26, 2010 at 06:41:15 (PDT)
Glad to see the new show honored the tradition of the Hawaiian prayer. Nice touch with HPD commander there.
Talked with Wil Smith at HollywoodShow yesterday in Burbank and picked up a couple of more autographs on my original album from guest stars. He is looking forward to the new show and hopes it will be as attractive as the original in building a dedicated fan base.
Hope they do the music justice like the original and not all techno hip-hop nonsense. Guest appearances by local modern Hawaiian artists like Tia Carrera, Makaha & Sons, etc would help, and even tunes from the old show itself.
Hope CBS is planning a great line up of guest stars like the original too. Would be wonderful if they could cameo James M, Al Harrington, etc. and esp Nancy Kwan who was very kind to autograph my album recently. She deserves a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. Let's advocate for her!
Season 9 of the original is great. Let's hope Season 1 of the new show will be too!
Aloha Bruddas! Big Al
Los Alamitos, CA USA - Sunday, July 25, 2010 at 20:53:20 (PDT)
I'm delighted to hear of the upcoming CD release of the original Morton Stevens soundtrack!
I contacted CBS a while back to suggest that they should release this for purchase - it would be great if my suggestion, in concert with others made this happen.
Nashville, TN USA - Sunday, July 25, 2010 at 20:38:36 (PDT)
I am pleased that CBS is bringing back the show. I watched the show as a child growing up and also spent my summers in Hawaii. So I have a great love for the show and Hawaii. Look forward to the new show!
Euless, TX USA - Sunday, July 25, 2010 at 19:16:10 (PDT)
'A Capitol Crime' ...interesting wardrobe choice for Sharon Farrell in this ep!
Newport Beach, CA USA - Sunday, July 25, 2010 at 11:26:24 (PDT)
Well, 2 episodes watched and both were excellent - 'A Capitol Crime' and 'Elegy in a Rain Forest' - a promising start to season 9 (which i'm watching out of order!). Never seen 'A Capitol Crime' before - very impressed with the quality of both. I wasn't the biggest fan of season 8, its looking like the quality has picked up with this release...
UK - Sunday, July 25, 2010 at 09:53:56 (PDT)
I will watch anything with Alex O'Loughlin in it. And he will make a perfect McGarrett.. And I was wondering what the people of Lost would do now. Glad to see Daniel Dae Kim also newly employed.
Can't wait for the show to start.
Frost, TX United Sttes - Saturday, July 24, 2010 at 19:08:47 (PDT)
Sound clip from Tour de Force -- Killer Aboard (can anyone explain what this stupid title means?)
Vancouver, BC - Saturday, July 24, 2010 at 15:50:57 (PDT)
i've seen the trailer and its action packed,this show fleshes out the people. i always wondered how mcgarrett got his his job in the fictionzed hawaii state police. like the 2010 hawaii 50 theme, but they think about using the ventures song, it's a great song and more up todate.
louisville, ky jefferson - Saturday, July 24, 2010 at 15:30:20 (PDT)
One episode I can think of at the moment which I'd be interested to read S9 DVD comments about, is "Assault on the Palace".
Vancouver, BC - Saturday, July 24, 2010 at 13:59:54 (PDT)
Aside from "Nine Dragons" the one episode I can think of at the moment which I'd be interested to read S9 DVD comments about, is "Assault on the Palace".
United Kingdom - Saturday, July 24, 2010 at 11:15:45 (PDT)
Sandy - Just watched the YouTube video of the recording of the original Hawaii Five-O theme tune for the revival which you posted. I enjoyed it. *thumbs up*
United Kingdom - Saturday, July 24, 2010 at 11:05:10 (PDT)
Great news about the original Hawaii Five-O Capitol soundtrack album getting released on CD.
United Kingdom - Saturday, July 24, 2010 at 11:00:24 (PDT)
Original Five-O soundtrack on Capitol to reportedly be released on CD by Film Score Monthly:
Vancouver, BC - Saturday, July 24, 2010 at 10:22:21 (PDT)
Free Five-O ringtone (from CBS posting via Facebook):
Text H50 to 69937 (Msg&Data rates may apply. See full terms at http://www.myxer.com/terms)
This only will work in the USA, I suspect. It doesn't work from Canada.
Vancouver, BC - Saturday, July 24, 2010 at 09:36:18 (PDT)
Steve- Thanks! BTW, I'll be in your fair country in about ten days.
Mr. Mike- Sorry 'bout that, as I couldn't see past the emphasis on scratched jackets and turned-up brightness in your previous "anal-ysis." ;)
Miami, FL USA - Saturday, July 24, 2010 at 08:48:15 (PDT)
Which cut of "Nine Dragons" appears on the S9 set? The full version or the syndicated one?
AUGH ... HELLO!! I already discussed this, both below and on a special "news" page:
If you click on the link in the line
It looks like CBS/Paramount used the same "master" for making Nine Dragons as the Columbia House (CH) videos. (See this page for further information.)
you will end up here:
Pardon me for being just a little bit crabby, but I have been re-viewing To Die in Paradise ... a show I am hating more and more!!
Vancouver, BC - Saturday, July 24, 2010 at 08:37:25 (PDT)
Mr Mike - I guess I should have paid your episode analysis a visit first.
Steven - I clock 'Nine Dragons' at 98 minutes - its different from the version I have and I must admit, I prefer 'my' TV version to the one on the DVD. The one I have starts with 'Nine Dragons' (typed in a different font style to anything used in the series before) and then a 13 to 14 minute intro - the main titles then roll when Wo Fat is driven away from the airport. On the DVD, the intro is the same as the one here on youtube
The episode is unabridged
UK - Saturday, July 24, 2010 at 08:14:18 (PDT)
Which cut of "Nine Dragons" appears on the S9 set? The full version or the syndicated one? On the whole, are the running times of all the episodes "on the level"?
Miami, FL USA - Saturday, July 24, 2010 at 07:48:25 (PDT)
'Elegy in a Rain Forest' has robbed a scene from 'McGarrett is Missing'
Uh, not to brag or anything, but this has been pointed out in my anal-ysis of the show (thanks to Dan Stomierosky) for several years (link at top of page).
There is also a long shot of a lake in To Die in Paradise which is recycled from Elegy in a Rain Forest only a few shows earlier.
Vancouver, BC - Saturday, July 24, 2010 at 07:36:16 (PDT)
Thanks Rick - thought somebody would put me right, I stand corrected - but you get my drift nevertheless..
UK - Saturday, July 24, 2010 at 07:31:16 (PDT)
"...on his sailing dinghy..." ...the boat is a catamaran.
Newport Beach, CA USA - Saturday, July 24, 2010 at 07:27:50 (PDT)
That footage of the recording of the new/old theme was fab!
Does this mean it'll be 60 seconds rather than 30 seconds?
And since you Hollywood people are reading... yeah, the theme is important but most hardcore fans moved past the theme and became obsessed with the music "during" the shows themselves... take a hint...
It's funny when they say "you can't mess with the original theme" uuummm what do you think they did during the course of the original show? It went from 60's era surf style to rock to disco flavor towards the end of the 70's with those hideous electronic drums. Notice how retro sounds and styles resurface over the years but those electronic disco drums have yet to come back.
Boston, MA USA - Saturday, July 24, 2010 at 07:06:04 (PDT)
Re: "There is already a suggestion that the main villain in the pilot, who seems to get killed at the end of same, did not die..." - - - sorta like Bobby stepping out of the shower on "Dallas," huh? I don't recall that move winning friends or influencing people, either.
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Saturday, July 24, 2010 at 06:55:57 (PDT)
Vancouver, BC - Saturday, July 24, 2010 at 06:52:08 (PDT)
According to an entertainment blog in the Los Angeles Times, the musicians on the recent remake of the Five-O theme who were on the original sessions were as follows:
David Duke on first horn, Chuck Findley on first trumpet and percussionist Bob Zimmitti.
It doesn't say that specifically that they were on the VERY original sessions for the theme which would have been around 1968-1969.
Findley was born in 1947, for example, which would make him around 21 at the time. Zimmitti played on some Frank Zappa recordings in the 1970s.
Check out the following article from TV Guide via the Seattle paper:
Hawaii Five-0 fans can breathe easy. CBS' remake of the classic 1968 TV series features a surprisingly faithful interpretation of the original surf-rock theme song.
After originally bringing in a famous rock star to freshen the tune, the producers instead opted to bring back all the original musicians who recorded the song way back when [I don't think so!! - MQ]. "It only affirmed for us that you cannot change it," executive producer Alex Kurtzman said at a Comic-Con panel Friday. "Not everything should be remake or rebooted. Sometimes you have to know what to change and what to leave the same."
Kurtzman and partner Roberto Orci know from rebooting. They're the big brains behind last year's Star Trek reimagining and the blockbuster Transformers movies. Still, the duo said they felt pressure to do the original justice. "There's an expectation from people who know the show," Orci said. "In a way, everyone becomes a consultant on the show because you can read what everyone thinks online."
Fortunately, executive producer Peter Lenkov (CSI: NY) is a big fan of the original, which he remembers watching with his father. "In some ways, we're painting this valentine to the original show," Lenkov said. "There are a lot of touchstones to the original show."
"There was never a thought of a continuation of the original," Lenkov said. "It's about how this Hawaii Five-0 team was born."
The panel was filled with fans of Hawaii stars Daniel Dae Kim and Grace Park, who formerly appeared on cult shows Lost and Battlestar Galactica, respectively.
"When we started shooting Hawaii Five-0, it was a conscious effort for me to think about a new character and make new choices," Kim says about his back-to-back work on the the pilot and the final season of Lost. "It's been something I continue to work through."
After his tragic end on Lost (which he called a "satisfying" finale, for those wondering), Kim said he feels this is the beginning of a great new journey. "I'm really happy to be on a show that has a theme song," Kim said.
Also the following from USA Today:
Peter Lenkov, another producer, said fans of the original will see familiar "touchstones."
Asked if classic villains, such as Wo Fat, will return, he said, "I think you will not be disappointed." He didn't discount an appearance by James MacArthur, who played Danno in the original. "We want to honor the original show."
[There is already a suggestion that the main villain in the pilot, who seems to get killed at the end of same, did not die... -- MQ]
Vancouver, BC - Saturday, July 24, 2010 at 06:23:53 (PDT)
Well, I've now got my Season 9 DVD set - just skimming through each episode and was shocked to see 'Elegy in a Rain Forest' has robbed a scene from 'McGarrett is Missing' - guess even back in the 70s recycling was big business! The scene in question is where Chin drives to Steve (who's out on his sailing dinghy) to tell him that Charlie Bombay or, in the 'updated' version, Marcus Lucien,has escaped.
UK - Saturday, July 24, 2010 at 06:10:21 (PDT)
Yes, reboots of any classic , songs, TV shows, never work. They should had done the same with the show and leave it alone.
- Saturday, July 24, 2010 at 03:31:37 (PDT)
This is a tweet from H50 at Comic Con this morning (from CBS.com):
Kurtzman says they toyed with having a rock star record new version of #H50 theme but it didn't work at all.
Vancouver, BC - Friday, July 23, 2010 at 19:35:50 (PDT)
Some Comic-Con Five-O scoop:
Vancouver, BC - Friday, July 23, 2010 at 18:19:42 (PDT)
New H50 promo (Promo # 10)
Chicago, IL USA - Friday, July 23, 2010 at 17:41:25 (PDT)
The artwork with this story will make you LOL big time!!
Vancouver, BC - Friday, July 23, 2010 at 17:32:52 (PDT)
Just received in e-mail:
"I just wanted to let you know that I work in the Capitol Catalog division and the original Mort Stevens soundtrack album is being released digitally on August 24 at all digital sites including iTunes and Amazon.
"Also on the same date we will be releasing digitally the Ventures' "Hawaii 5-0" album which features their hit interpretation of the TV show theme."
Vancouver, BC - Friday, July 23, 2010 at 16:51:24 (PDT)
So, maybe, our "Don't mess up the theme song" (among other) campaign did a little good???
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Friday, July 23, 2010 at 15:35:13 (PDT)
THEME SONG ARTICLE: This is pretty good. I keep hearing it in my head.
Chicago, IL USA - Friday, July 23, 2010 at 14:26:40 (PDT)
I just read that they got the original orchestra to perform this!
Dover, NH - Friday, July 23, 2010 at 13:08:45 (PDT)
Interesting tidbit: The week in January 1975 when "A Woman's Work is With a Gun" played, Five-0 finished as the #1 show of that week - apparently the only time Five-0 finished at #1. Here's the link: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0598000/trivia
Philadelphia, PA USA - Friday, July 23, 2010 at 11:42:58 (PDT)
Thanks, Mr. Mike, for the updated newslink. I suspect that the next 2 months will bring a LOT of news.
Chicago, IL USA - Friday, July 23, 2010 at 07:56:41 (PDT)
To H50 1.0 FOREVER...He actually is playing the kettle drums with kettle drumsticks. The end of the stick is not so pronounced and in fast motion they look like regular drumsticks. When you stop action, you can see it a couple times.
Chicago, IL USA - Friday, July 23, 2010 at 07:54:15 (PDT)
Because news about the new show was getting out of control on the main page, I have created a new directory which contains news items (also linked from the main page itself):
Vancouver, BC - Friday, July 23, 2010 at 07:37:39 (PDT)
Sorry, Mike, but the link (What do we have here?) won't open for me. It says "Forbidden." [Some weird technical issue, try copying and pasting the link directly. - MQ]
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Friday, July 23, 2010 at 07:19:12 (PDT)
Oh, my goodness ... what do we have here?
Vancouver, BC - Friday, July 23, 2010 at 07:09:17 (PDT)
Presumably this version of the theme song is the one that will be played during the end credits to the show. I quite liked it. The version of the pilot that I saw did not have any end credits. If this >is< the version that will be used (and if I had heard it when I watched the pilot), I might have given the pilot three stars ... though the music during the show itself is still mediocre.
Vancouver, BC - Friday, July 23, 2010 at 06:37:37 (PDT)
Much better arrangement than the one in the pilot previews. Was it my imagination or were they playing it at a faster tempo than the original? Those musicians' fingers were flying. Interesting to see kettle drums being played with traditional drumsticks, rather than the usual kettle-drum sticks (I think that's what I saw). I wonder if we could crank that tape down to slo-mo, so we can really see what the musicians are doing. Would really be interesting, I think.
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Friday, July 23, 2010 at 06:31:53 (PDT)
Thanks, Sandy, for posting that link to the recording studio for the theme song. Sounded so good. Just like the original. I have noticed that the promos that they are currently running have that original theme in the background rather then the "updated, rockin'" version.
Chicago, IL USA - Thursday, July 22, 2010 at 21:57:13 (PDT)
Me likey! C'mon people - open minds!:D
Dover, NH - Thursday, July 22, 2010 at 21:21:27 (PDT)
In case anyone is wondering, the teasers are included in the season nine DVD box set. These are about 30 seconds long. Where there is an episodic promo, this is about 1 minute long. For all the teasers I have seen so far, all the material comes from the episodic promo.
Vancouver, BC - Thursday, July 22, 2010 at 17:23:32 (PDT)
"Maybe this was an example of how NOT to write a song!"
But I'm not theeeeeerrrreee! No I'm not THEEEEERRREEE!!!
Just horrible... and the funny part is the agent guy tells the other singer (who he later threw off the balcony), "you're not ready yet, don't have the right material".
The right material? Come on, this song is a disaster and she's working the room!
Boston, MA USA - Thursday, July 22, 2010 at 16:57:28 (PDT)
Many thanks for the Season 9 comments so far. An interesting read. I haven't looked at the screen captures for the other menu screens as I want to remain unspoiled for when I receive my copy in the post (I probably won't get an email from Amazon.com to say they've shipped it until a week's time).
The comments on the DVD packaging aren't new to me. We've had this exact same packaging (the case, and the way the discs are held inside the case) since the fourth season was released in the UK.
United Kingdom - Thursday, July 22, 2010 at 16:53:30 (PDT)
Can't wait to get my Season 9. Episodes still very good that season! Jack Lord starting to show his age, though.
The biggest thing I remember about Season 9 is that creepy man that was in the Meg Foster episode. Could they have created a more bizarre character?!?! LOL!
Midwest, MO USA - Thursday, July 22, 2010 at 15:36:07 (PDT)
In the Facebook group Hawaii Five-O Celebration, Julie-Ann Sanderson tracked down the song from "Sing a Song of Suspense. It was not composed specifically for the show, but part of a publication called "The Songwriters' Idea Book." Maybe this was an example of how NOT to write a song! (LOL)
Vancouver, BC - Thursday, July 22, 2010 at 14:17:06 (PDT)
Watched "Hara-Kiri: Murder" and couldn't help but crack up at the Japanese consul (I think?) when McGarrett first arrives to speak with him regarding the "suicide" of the bank manager. This is the scene where McGarrett first meets Ossie Davis who is sitting next to the consul. Anyway the consul speaks with this lisp that is like a cross between Speedy Gonzalez and Sylvester the Cat. LOL!!!! I just couldn't contain myself. I've never heard a Japanese (or any other Oriental for that matter) speak that way! Hilarious!! I had to rewind it just to enjoy it once more! I think his name was Mr. Hata or something - McGarrett tells him that he only wishes his Japanese could be as good as his (Hata's) English.
Philadelphia, PA USA - Thursday, July 22, 2010 at 10:58:58 (PDT)
I haven't watched Nine Dragons all the way through. I just scanned certain sections. It looks like CBS/Paramount used the same "master" for making Nine Dragons as the Columbia House (CH) videos. (See this page for further information.)
Now I wasn't too crazy about the CH video, because the quality left a bit to be desired, but it looks like that they have cleaned up the print considerably.
On the CH video, there were two places where there were obvious scratches on the print.
One is where McGarrett says goodbye to Suzie, the Chinese girl.
On the CH print, there is a scratch down the back of McGarrett's suit -- click here.
On the DVDs, this is not obvious to me at all (I am viewing this on a 40" LCD TV, this is a screenshot via my computer) -- click here.
However, using this DVD screenshot, I cranked up the brightness as much as I could with this photo program I use and you can see the scratch -- click here.
The other bad scratch on the CH print was near the end, when Wo is watching monitors -- this scratch lasts for several seconds.
Here is a screen shot from the CH print, where the scratch is very obvious: click here.
Here is the same thing from the DVD, where the scratch is much less obvious: click here.
Cranking up the brightness for this Wo shot as I did with the CH screenshot of McGarrett above did not produce an appreciable difference as far as I am concerned.
There are also other inconsistencies in the print quality (the end credits suggest the film was processed in Hong Kong -- at least for the Hong Kong sequences). For example, when McGarrett is saying goodbye to Suzie on the DVDs, there is a shot from the back of him where he says "I can make it across the street alone." On the DVD, there is a lot of dirt in this very brief shot. But in the shots immediately before and after, there is no dirt at all, suggesting problems with the film while shooting or developing.
Vancouver, BC - Thursday, July 22, 2010 at 09:33:37 (PDT)
Book Em Danno! I am ready for this to stsrt..
Louisville, KY United States - Thursday, July 22, 2010 at 07:29:06 (PDT)
Finally finished Jokers Wild, Beverlee McKinsey's acting was brilliant! Love the interplay between her and McGarrett. Too bad Billy gets it in the end, he was the only one with a heart between the 3 of them. Great scene at the end when the bum throws his bottle into the ocean.
Regarding Season 9 packaging, not a big fan of it. My Mannix DVD's have that too. You have to pull out a disc just to read the episode order and summary. But this is a small disapointment... very happy to get yet another season of 5-0, one with a couple of stellar episodes...
Boston, MA USA - Thursday, July 22, 2010 at 07:05:54 (PDT)
Mr. Mike...You look exactly as I pictured right down to the beard.
Chicago, IL USA - Thursday, July 22, 2010 at 07:01:17 (PDT)
Mr Mike - you beat me to the Season 9 set! Hopefully mine will arrive today and intact (fingers crossed) - what version of Nine Dragons is on the set - I really want the circa 13 minute intro I've got on the version I already have.........(I know, I'm becoming obssessed!) ;)
UK - Thursday, July 22, 2010 at 05:10:39 (PDT)
Did anyone notice the background in Disk 1-2? Not only is it different behind each person, but it is not consistent with how it actually appears in Steve's office. For example, behind Danno, you see a bookcase with two pictures over it, when in fact, that bookcase is on the other side of the door. The one where he is shown standing has Montague Dawson's "The Great Tea Race of 1866" over it. Then, behind Duke we see the model clipper ship, which actually stands between the two windows. It is clear the picture has been (what's the proper term for "pieced together"?). Usually, when they are piecing together a pictures, don't they "cut out" the figures and place them before a different picture of a background?
I don't care for the new packaging, either, but as was said, at least, they're remastering and issuing the DVDs.
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Thursday, July 22, 2010 at 04:51:04 (PDT)
Thanks for the preview, Mr. Mike. That one still with McGarrett standing behind a microphone...God help us, he doesn't sing, does he? Anyway, I've been expecting(dreading) the switch in packaging for the past few seasons, but when CBS didn't change to the thinner case style with season seven as they did with other shows, I had some hope that there would be consistency for all twelve sets. Now I see that this is not the case(no pun intended). As a collector, I think it stinks, but on the other hand I'm happy that they are still releasing these things at a steady pace and will be satisfied just owning the discs(a week and a half for us statesiders...yippee!).
Columbus, OH USA - Thursday, July 22, 2010 at 04:26:35 (PDT)
Here is a look at all the menus on the DVDs in the season 9 box set. The one below is the "top level" for all 6 discs (the picture is the same, the menu information is different).
Click HERE to see all of the menus for the individual discs and shows.
NOTE: There are no episode promos for either Nine Dragons or The Bells Toll at Noon, therefore, there are no menu cards for these two shows. When you click on the episodes in the disc menu, you go directly into the shows.
By the way, the subtitles for the shows are in white and they have done a much better job with them than previous box sets. The subtitles are more like closed captions, actually, with things like [CAR HORN HONKS], [DOG BARKING], [SIGHS], etc. Also, when people have their backs to the camera or are far away, they are identified in the subtitles like "CHIN: Yes, Steve."
Vancouver, BC - Thursday, July 22, 2010 at 00:10:29 (PDT)
DVDs have been marketed in what is Barclay case (the one that season 9 comes in) here in Australia. The DVDs of the show I got from the USA (seasons 6 and 8) are the odds ones out in my collection. If I end up getting up season 9 from the USA, it will be just like getting it here - except for the different region which thankfully isn't a problem as it is legal in Australia to sell region free DVD players and to hack those that aren't.
Australia - Wednesday, July 21, 2010 at 23:26:42 (PDT)
I sure hope so...
Vancouver, BC - Wednesday, July 21, 2010 at 21:51:54 (PDT)
Mr. Mike....Is that you??
Chicago, IL USA - Wednesday, July 21, 2010 at 21:39:21 (PDT)
Note that this is a completely different style of packaging compared to previous releases. There are no "sleeves," each containing two discs. There is a fancy kind of mechanism which holds all 6 discs within a typical DVD case which is enclosed in a cardboard slipcase. If you are ordering this from overseas, keep your fingers crossed that this mechanism does not get broken, because it will probably be very difficult to replace. I ordered a 5-DVD set of Peter Gunn with something similar from amazon.co.uk a few years ago, and it got busted in transit. Fortunately, this only affected only one of the fold-out plastic thingies.
Vancouver, BC - Wednesday, July 21, 2010 at 20:58:17 (PDT)
The Joker's Wild actress was Beverlee McKinsey ... I say "was" because she died a couple of years ago.
Vancouver, BC - Wednesday, July 21, 2010 at 19:00:27 (PDT)
Joker has one of my favorite teasers("Scenery's where you find it, sergeant") and one of my favorite villains of the series. She's just so heartless, but believably so. Great performance by the actress, whose name escapes me right now. I'll have to check the season two reviews when I'm done typing this comment, but whoever she is, she does a dynamite job.
Columbus, OH USA - Wednesday, July 21, 2010 at 18:49:00 (PDT)
Along with Pinapple Picker, I think he calls the Hawaiin guy blackey or darkey in Jokers Wild. I've been watching this episode 3 nights in a row but I keep falling asleep on it. I'll check next time. The woman in this show is frightening!
Boston, MA USA - Wednesday, July 21, 2010 at 16:03:20 (PDT)
In The Joker's Wild, Man, Wild!, Jo Louise tells Billy he's "a born pineapple picker." You could have found this using the search utility on the main page (http://www.mjq.net/fiveo) or the one at the top of the Guestbook archive page.
The "marimba" theme can be heard on the main page -- HELLO!! Does anyone EVER go there? Search (Control-F) for "marimba" and hit Enter!
Vancouver, BC - Wednesday, July 21, 2010 at 14:06:03 (PDT)
Also, in the ep, "Tricks are not Treats," the pimps get called "pimples" several times, and I think someone gets called a "cracker" once, but I'm not 100% sure about that one b/c it's been awhile since I've seen that ep.
Raleigh, NC USA - Wednesday, July 21, 2010 at 12:51:27 (PDT)
Oh, and I think John Ritter's character uses the word queen in Two Doves and Mr. Heron.
Columbus, OH USA - Wednesday, July 21, 2010 at 10:56:57 (PDT)
BIg H, the episode is probably The Joker's Wild, one of my favorites, the rich guy referring to his Hawaiian rival.
Columbus, OH USA - Wednesday, July 21, 2010 at 10:54:35 (PDT)
Arrghh!!!.....Mr. Mike's Bad Word page has tweeked my interest somewhat as I vaguely remember someone being called a "pineapple-picker" as a slur against a native islander, but can't remember the ep. Don't know if this is "bad" enough to make the list, but it's not what I would call an ingratiating term of endearment. Can someone with a sharper memory than mine help out??
Sweltering Raleigh, NC USA - Wednesday, July 21, 2010 at 10:14:45 (PDT)
Mr. Mike, what is the "marimba theme"? Do you have a sample of it? Or any episodes where it is heard?
Philadelphia, PA USA - Wednesday, July 21, 2010 at 10:11:45 (PDT)
Looks like season eight is being released in the uk on March 29th 2011.
Birmingham, UK - Wednesday, July 21, 2010 at 09:20:20 (PDT)
Your nominees, please:
The Five-O Bad Words Page
I am sure there are a lot of "damns" and "hells"...
Vancouver, BC - Wednesday, July 21, 2010 at 09:00:04 (PDT)
I am rewatching "Wednesday Ladies Free" ... on the DVD, look at approximately 45:55 where Vic Tanaka attacks Cathy Fields, the former prostitute that he is obsessed with. There is a weird camera angle and you can see what looks like the cameraman's fingers in the frame for a second or two! Some of the language in this show, discussing prostitutes, hookers, etc. is pretty rank.
Vancouver, BC - Wednesday, July 21, 2010 at 07:35:07 (PDT)
I think that "some conditions apply" with this O versus 0 debate. There might be "regional" issues, for example (like where you live in terms of state, country or part of the country). For example, my street address ends with zero, but I would never say "oh" when telling someone my address. But an older address where I lived had the zero in the middle of the address, and in that case I would never say "zero" when telling it to someone!
Vancouver, BC - Wednesday, July 21, 2010 at 06:42:54 (PDT)
To add to 0/O debate I tried one day to figure it out and I thought it looked like Five-0 in the main titles and on the cover of the DVDs, but on the back of the DVDs in a paragraph of text it is Five-O. I figured that it is zero for reference to 50th state but they write Five-O with the letter O to make it easier to read when its in a sentence. That's my theory anyways.
USA - Tuesday, July 20, 2010 at 19:54:26 (PDT)
Yes, the font on the 1968 original stuff does look like a zero. I think just like dialing "oh" for operator, which is actually the zero on a telephone, as opposed to the number 6 where the the "oh" is located, people don't get too hung up on which is which. It's the same with phone numbers and addresses, people tend to use "oh" for zero... which I think is the case with Five-0.
Newport Beach, CA USA - Tuesday, July 20, 2010 at 18:09:44 (PDT)
CBS is really going out of their way to hype the new show, as per the following press release:
Surf's up at Comic-Con! HAWAII FIVE-0 brings its island flavor to fans in San Diego with an exclusive array of giveaways available
throughout the convention.
H50: Aloha Earth Panel (Friday, July 23 @ 10:15am, Room 6BCF)
Fans who attend the H50 panel session will not only get to interact with series stars Daniel Dae Kim and Grace Park, they will also have a chance to take home:
- One of three surfboards, signed by the entire HAWAII FIVE-0 cast;
- Limited-run, not-available-for-sale, Comic-Con edition "I got lei'd at Comic-Con" t-shirts.
CBS Booth – Autograph Signing (Friday, July 23 @ 12pm noon, booth #4129)
Fans who join the cast at the CBS booth during the autograph signing session will receive limited collector edition H50 posters.
H50 Hula Girls
Conventioneers should also be on the lookout for the HAWAII FIVE-0 Hula Girls. The girls will say "aloha" to Comic-Con fans while modeling the limited-run t-Shirts and giving out ringtone cards featuring the show's iconic theme song.
Additionally, all visitors to the CBS booth can enter to win a vacation getaway to the filming location of H50 on the tropical and vibrant island of Oahu.
To follow CBS at Comic-Con, go to www.twitter.com/CBSatComicCon.
Keep up with the latest updates on all things HAWAII FIVE-0 and behind-the-scenes coverage of Comic-Con 2010 at http://www.cbs.com/primetime/hawaii_five_o/video/, www.twitter.com/HawaiiFive0CBS #H50, www.twitter.com/CBSTweet and Facebook.com/Hawaii-Five-0.
[End of press release]
Vancouver, BC - Tuesday, July 20, 2010 at 17:55:10 (PDT)
Yeah, well, Mrs. Freeman is still around as far as I am aware. Maybe I should contact her. I hope she doesn't tell me it's zero! (Ha Ha)
Vancouver, BC - Tuesday, July 20, 2010 at 17:50:16 (PDT)
Confusing, indeed, Mike. I suppose the only person who could tell us is Leonard Freeman, creator of the series; ergo, the confusion. Poor Len. Gets stuck with all the messes. LOL
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Tuesday, July 20, 2010 at 17:40:55 (PDT)
Just to add to the letter O or number 0 confusion...If you search the IMDB using the letter, then the original 1968 series comes up first in the listings of results. If you search using the number, then the 2010 version comes up first.
If you go to Google and enter "Hawaii Five-O" (including the quotes, which means exactly that phrase), my site comes up second (it used to be third after Wikipedia and/or IMDB). The position of my site in the Google listing seems to vary, depending on where you are logging into Google from.
But if you enter "Hawaii Five-0" (zero), my site comes up first. Go figure. Using a zero also produces two entries for Wikipedia, the first with "O," for the old show, and the second with "0," referring to the new show -- DUH!!
I also took a look at the lettering of "Five->O<" on my home page in the main title card on the upper left of the page. I thought ... "Hmmm, that "O" (or whatever the heck it is) sort of looks like a zero!" Same thing with the cover of the soundtrack album. But if you compare this letter to the first letter of the last name of Bernard Oseransky, unit production manager for the show (one of the few other instances in the credits where there is a capital "O" in the Five-[whatever the heck it is] font) ... it sure looks like an "O" there.
Vancouver, BC - Tuesday, July 20, 2010 at 17:09:39 (PDT)
>>>(I wish they had more episodes with Bombay)<<< Always thought the same... A great character actor, Albert Paulson did appear in three more episodes including 'Nine, Ten--You're Dead' as a similarly sociopathic boxing promoter.
Newport Beach, CA USA - Tuesday, July 20, 2010 at 15:56:32 (PDT)
Thanks for the recommendations Hans and Collin! I'll be checking those out.
Clayton, Ca - Tuesday, July 20, 2010 at 15:20:36 (PDT)
"WaveCrest, did you ever consider the reason the "print quality" is sharper on the Region 2 box sets is because you are watching them in PAL?"
I know that the reason the "print quality" is sharper in the Region 2 DVD boxsets because they are in PAL. I was saying to Peter that the "print quality" of the Region 2 DVD boxsets is sharper compared to the Region 1 sets. I very much look forward to seeing each season being released on Region 2, because of the sharper "print quality". The eighth season looked great when I tested out each disc, so I'm sure the Region 2 set will look great.
United Kingdom - Tuesday, July 20, 2010 at 14:46:43 (PDT)
I meant Collin, sorry!
And when they say "guest starring Lorretta Switt" they should have added "but not for long!"
Boston, MA USA - Tuesday, July 20, 2010 at 14:28:51 (PDT)
I agree Colin, love the Batmanesque angles and Jokers Wild is a also good one, really "out there".
Season 2 Disc 1 has three great villans in Sergeant Simms, Wo Fat and nasty Charlie Bombay. (I wish they had more episodes with Bombay) Plus you get Barbara Luna, Sabrina Scharf and Ann Helm, that’s a heck of a trio of women. Could be one of the best discs of the entire series.
Boston, MA USA - Tuesday, July 20, 2010 at 14:26:53 (PDT)
Yet again very gratefull for your usefull info Wave Crest. Re difference in R1 to R2 not exactly sure of the technicalities but the US tv system is slightly different to the Europian tv system, I think its the number of dots on the screen. Hence R1 payed on Uk tvs will be fine if you have the suitable equipment but it is adapting hence qaulity is just a whisker poorer then the r2 as that is the system that our tvs are designed.
U.K. - Tuesday, July 20, 2010 at 13:36:15 (PDT)
Go figure! Your friend is in Hawaii in the middle of summer and it's raining? I went in November and it rained the whole time(which peeved us also--ruined our expensive trip, basically).
Twice I've gone in the summer and we didn't happen upon any significant rain. We only encountered a couple drops of rain when we drove up that mountain road above the Punchbowl...Mt. Tantalus?
I guess it can rain anytime in Hawaii but I thought it was rare in the spring and summer because of the reliable/predictable trade winds...that's what I was told, anyway.
Midwest, MO USA - Tuesday, July 20, 2010 at 11:52:13 (PDT)
Meredith: I think Hans' suggestion is a good one. I also love some of the camera angles used in "40 Feet High...", especially some of the upward shots; the tilted angles in the warehouse with Wo Fat remind me of a 60's Batman episode. I happen to like "Most Likely to Murder", so I don't know if I would be much help. Actually, the season 2 opener, "A Thousand Pardon's - You're Dead" is another of my favorites. I love the scenes between Harry Guardino and Jack Lord. "Just Lucky I Guess" is another favorite. "Cry Lie" is another favorite, but more for personal reasons. It gives the most insight to Chin Ho's personal life than any other Five-O episode. I thought "The Joker's Wild, Man, Wild" was another above average episode.
Shawnee, KS USA - Tuesday, July 20, 2010 at 10:53:51 (PDT)
Meredith, if you are on Season 2, try watching any episode on the first DVD other than Babe Ruth…
Warning - spoilers here… I recently watched 40 Feet High and It Kills; this is one of the best episodes of the series for me. The music is top shelf. McGarrett is as cool as ever. The musical sequence when Wo Fat's crew is faking the tsunami warning and planning the kidnapping is very effective. Then some how they weave a transition from that into maybe the best alternate version of the 5-O theme song ever as Steve pulls up to the beach with Victoria. He is so the man and she is just gorgeous… That version of the theme has a Tijuana flavor that I don’t recall ever hearing in another episode, it’s pure sex…
And when Steve is told “that’s Dr Lochner’s assistant”, he doesn’t really say “prettier than mine I’d say” does he? Poor Jenny… I just love when Steve acts like that…
Boston, MA USA - Tuesday, July 20, 2010 at 09:40:32 (PDT)
In case anyone wants to contact CBS with comments about the show, here's the link: http://www.cbs.com/info/user_services/fb_global_form.php
Los Angeles, CA USA - Tuesday, July 20, 2010 at 04:47:35 (PDT)
Thanks Mr. Mike. It's a lot to sift through lol but at least a start. ;)
Clayton, Ca - Monday, July 19, 2010 at 19:39:58 (PDT)
I just became aware of the comments here about my comments on IMDB, and I thought I should respond to some of them.
One person criticizes me for allegedly anti-gay "zingers." These consist of the following statement: "Hawaiian shows always seem to have an unaccountable gay subtext, and some of Lord's wardrobe choices on this show are difficult to interpret otherwise."
I doubt whether many people besides my critic would read into this a putdown of gay men in general. Many of those gay men, however, might read it into my critic's use of the disfavored term "homosexual" and his boastfully identification of himself as the opposite.
Unless one supposes that only gay men can perceive gay overtones, I don't see that my comment relates either to my sexuality or my closetedness. And since it doesn't, is none of my critic's business, and could be of no interest to anybody else, I'll continue to leave it unstated.
(Sigh) You can't win. Had I commented on the show without having watched it much, someone would have accused me of talking through my hat. Because I'd watched it enough to comment, someone writes that I know an awful lot about it for somebody who doesn't like it. Guess what? People sometimes watch shows they don't like! And sometimes they feel like expressing opinions on them! It's that simple.
I must say, however, that my comments on H50 received much more civil treatment here than my dissing of 24 on another board. On that occasion I was told if I didn't like it to keep my mouth shut. The thought wasn't carried through to its conclusion ("...or I'll shut it for you") but it strained in that direction. And the similarity of the mindset to that of the show itself was surely not accidental. Come to think of it, when compared to Jack Bauer, Steve McGarrett--even at his weirdest--was a pretty estimable character, after all.
Los Angeles, CA U.S. - Monday, July 19, 2010 at 19:24:28 (PDT)
Anyone know anything about this, to be released on August 3rd?
HAWAII FIVE-O:NINE SEASON PACK
Catalog Number: 073204DVD, UPC# 097360732047
Release date Aug 3,2010.
Fullscreen, English Audio, Spanish Audio, Spanish Subtitles
Vancouver, BC - Monday, July 19, 2010 at 18:51:11 (PDT)
After having read the spoilers, the most serious problem to me (as a musician) is the music -- at least as it is in the pilot. Fans of the original show will want to hear MUCH more of the theme than a lousy 30 seconds. Furthermore, they will want to hear the theme elements woven in as variations in the background music -- as with the original show -- which was so crucial for continuing the mood. What the writer calls "faceless" music (and I know what he's talking about) is what I call "brainless" music: those silly frantic drums and twanging electric guitar NO MATTER WHAT'S HAPPENING in the the plot. What the hell's going on here? Is it too expensive these days to hire film composers who can write music THAT FITS THE PLOT? What worries me is that those who are producing this new show have no knowledge of the original -- or -- if they do -- want to break away from it "for today's audiences" instead of keeping a family resemblance to the original. My question is: Where do I write to CBS to let them know how I feel?
Los Angeles, CA USA - Monday, July 19, 2010 at 18:25:39 (PDT)
Meredith, if you go down the page, you will find plenty of people listing their "favorite episodes."
WaveCrest, did you ever consider the reason the "print quality" is sharper on the Region 2 box sets is because you are watching them in PAL?
Hawaii2003, a friend of mine is in Hawaii right now (not Oahu, I can't remember which other island) and it has been raining non stop for days. He is super pissed.
Vancouver, BC - Monday, July 19, 2010 at 17:08:18 (PDT)
I was watching some of the original episodes to reacquaint myself. I watched a little as a kid with my dad and remember liking it. I admit at being stumped at some of the reverence to it though to the point where there’s insistence that it can’t be touched in a reboot. (Which is part of why I wanted to watch some episodes again.) The episode I watched last night was “Most Likely to Murder” (aired Feb. 1970) and I have to say, no offense intended to those who love the original, I wasn’t terribly impressed. It was pretty obvious who the murderer was within the first few minutes and I found some of the acting stiff and/or overly dramatic (although I know the style was different then). I thought James McArthur was pretty good though. Could someone recommend a few favorite episodes? Perhaps I’ll enjoy them more.
Clayton, Ca - Monday, July 19, 2010 at 16:24:37 (PDT)
Steve - Comparing the Region 1 to Region 2 boxsets of the third, fourth and seventh seasons (they're the only seasons I've bought so far on Region 1, and which have been released on both Region 1 and 2), I think the print quality is sharper on the Region 2 sets.
United Kingdom - Monday, July 19, 2010 at 16:16:11 (PDT)
Thanks for the welcome.
We live in Eastern Missouri--other side of the state from St. Joe.
Hope you enjoy Hawaii in the autumn...but beware....our 1990 trip was in November and it rained almost the entire trip (both on Oahu and Kauai). I'll never go that time of year again. To quote a local, "November is the beginning of our rainy season". We found that to be true. But, I've been watching Hawaiian webcams (during the winter) and I haven't seen any rain in "real time". Guess we were just very unlucky!
I'll tell you this much. In Hawaii (Oahu) it doesn't rain much in the summertime so if you go there in the fall, it'll be pretty dry and brown. We went in 2003 in April (after it rained all winter) and I couldn't believe how lush and green it was.
Regarding of the vegetation color, you will LOVE Hawaii.
Midwest, MO USA - Monday, July 19, 2010 at 15:57:10 (PDT)
I'm keeping my fingers crossed it will be the version of "Nine Dragons" with the nearly 15 minute long intro/teaser included in the DVD set.
United Kingdom - Monday, July 19, 2010 at 15:26:07 (PDT)
Blimey that's early, 15 days before the 3rd August release.
United Kingdom - Monday, July 19, 2010 at 15:24:03 (PDT)
Steve - I remember reading other people's comments and observations about the Region 1 eighth season set, saying how much brighter the show looked compared to the season before, and the colours were more vibrant. When I tested out my copy I agreed with what they said. I thought the show looked brighter, compared to the darker, grimmer seventh season look.
United Kingdom - Monday, July 19, 2010 at 15:22:40 (PDT)
Just been notified my order for season 9 has been shipped, I wonder which version of 'Nine Dragons' will be on it - the version I have off the tv has an intro in the region of 13 minutes long and therefore differs from the two versions described on Mr Mike's site...
UK - Monday, July 19, 2010 at 15:20:05 (PDT)
Wave_Crest - sorry, am I reading you correctly, picture wise, are you saying region 2 releases are better than region 1? I've got the region 1 set, but aside from a few episodes I can't see too much of a difference between this and previous region 1 releases - 'wooden model of a rat' being particularly disappointing.
UK - Monday, July 19, 2010 at 15:14:18 (PDT)
Peter - It is only a few seconds less, but one episode in the Region 2 fourth season set ("Nine, Ten, You're Dead") had a few seconds cut from it by the BBFC (for the sight of a cock fighting scene). Apart from that one episode, none of the episodes in the first to seventh season sets have been cut by the BBFC.
I wasn't too surprised by the BBFC giving "Nightmare in Blue" a 15 certificate (their consumer advice is "Contains moderate sexual violence and references to rape"). The only other episode to be given a 15 certificate was "Trouble in Mind" from season three (BBFC consumer advice is "Contains hard drugs theme").
At the moment there are 176 listings on the BBFC website for Hawaii Five-O. I'm going to guess the 23 eighth season episodes and Jack Lord episodic promos will be passed by BBFC in January 2011, two months before the Region 2 UK release. The digital remastering on the prints for the episodes in the Region 1 set were impressive. The overall look of the eighth season was brighter, and the colours vibrant. Can't wait to see the sharper Region 2 print/picture quality, especially for one of my favourite episodes "Murder - Eyes Only".
United Kingdom - Monday, July 19, 2010 at 13:34:13 (PDT)
Yet again thanks for the info Wave Crest. I preodered Series 8 from Play .com as soon as it became aviable as Amazon did not have a date of release at the time. Like you said end of June was supposed to be the date but then for some reason Play.com took the date out and it was blank for ages Now it is March next year. I could get the region 1 but the rest of my collection are all region2 so will stick to them now but it is so annoying. We were on holiday in Hawaii in may and i was very tempted to get reg1 ser 8 but held back thinking i will get it on my return home. we are hoping to go back in may next year so hopefully i might get ser 8 on re2 by then! Ha ha! Thanks again for your detailed info.
U.K. - Monday, July 19, 2010 at 09:54:48 (PDT)
As far as the O vs 0, I always assumed they used the letter O in Five-O because they wanted to drill home the pronunciation when the show started out. Hawaii Five “Oh” sounds very catchy while Hawaii Five “Zero” just doesn’t have the same charm… Now days you can spell it however you want, the phrase has been cemented into the culture for over 40 years so it doesn’t matter.
Boston, MA USA - Monday, July 19, 2010 at 06:31:28 (PDT)
I agree with Chris. I think it’s more to do with the new cast doesn’t match up to your vision of what the 5-O crew should look like, which is fair enough. A lot of the cops I see are overweight, out of shape and would love look as ripped as Alex does. To me Alex and Jack both look more like movie stars and models than what most real cops look like.
Boston, MA USA - Monday, July 19, 2010 at 06:23:55 (PDT)
We’ll see, Chris. I liked Alex’s work in "Moonlight," but not sure he’s hard-edged enough for Steve McGarrett. It’s nothing personal against O'Loughlin, I think any actor stepping into this role would face the same level of skepticism from the Five-O fan base.
And Alex got his work cut out - cause’ he’ll be chasing a television immortal.
40 years on, the reruns still running, DVD’s still comin’. Jack lives on as Steve McGarrett is still on the beat.
Seattle, WA USA - Sunday, July 18, 2010 at 23:50:32 (PDT)
That's fine of course Big Chicken although I don't entirely agree. Yes JL could bring the cool and menace as you say but I see potential for O'Loughlin to also. He's done it in other roles so why not this? I know he'll kickass with the action - something also cop like. ;)
Humble, TX - Sunday, July 18, 2010 at 22:20:59 (PDT)
Hey Chris, I got side with Sean on this one.
Even since Jack Lord appeared in DR. No - arriving in the Caribbean in that 60's mod three-button suit and shades - he looked every inch the seasoned Federale. He brought that same presence to Five-O. As Steve McGarrett he exuded both cool and menace and projected the authority he wielded as the long arm of the Aloha State’s Police. Did he look the part of a real cop? YEAH BOI!
Seattle, WA USA - Sunday, July 18, 2010 at 21:42:40 (PDT)
When I heard that CBS is going to revive the "Five-O" franchise, I was intrigued. It would be interesting to see how the series premiere plays out (from what I can tell from the outline of the pilot, it could be a mixed bag, but I'll have a better sense of it when I see it on the idiot box.
Also, the Morton Stevens version of the theme is a HELL of a lot better!! HANDS DOWN!!
Metairie, LA USA - Sunday, July 18, 2010 at 16:15:50 (PDT)
@ Sean - Seriously? lol why does it look to you like Jack Lord could have been a cop in real life and Alex O doesn't? Or Scott Caan? C'mon.
Humble, TX - Sunday, July 18, 2010 at 15:46:38 (PDT)
Peter - If I remember correctly Play.com had a Region 2 release date of Wednesday 30th June, 2010 for the eighth season DVD set. Which I thought wouldn't happen, because normally new DVD titles are released on Mondays in the UK (compared to Tuesdays in the US).
I keep an eye on the BBFC website as they add each episode in the next Hawaii Five-O Region 2 DVD boxset around 1-2 months before the UK release date. Usually they pass the Jack Lord episodic promos before the episodes.
United Kingdom - Sunday, July 18, 2010 at 14:27:14 (PDT)
Cheers Wave Crest.
Looks like we will be waiting a long time. Amazon States March 2011 for series 8 and Play.com has no date so pot luck??
U.K. - Sunday, July 18, 2010 at 09:42:43 (PDT)
H50 or H5O? Whatever they decide if the remake lacks a good story and a good cast , I cannot care less. The new team is just a group of beautiful people that don't look at all like cops. At least Jack Lord could be a cop in real life.
USA - Sunday, July 18, 2010 at 05:44:54 (PDT)
Peter - The Region 2 eighth season boxset had been pushed back to Monday 25th October, 2010. However, it has now been pushed back again till Monday 29th March, 2011. I'm hoping CBS DVD's UK branch will release the eighth and ninth seasons on that same date. If not, and the tenth season is released on Region 1 in early 2011, before the eighth season reaches the UK, the UK will be THREE seasons behind the US.
United Kingdom - Sunday, July 18, 2010 at 04:49:57 (PDT)
The H50 Wikipedia page title has a letter O in the title yet goes on to mention, "The name of this television series comes from the fact that Hawaii was the 50th state to join the United States." Also the name looks just like a 0 (zero) in the opening credits of the original.
Providence, RI - Saturday, July 17, 2010 at 20:46:10 (PDT)
Just to add to the letter O or number 0 confusion...If you search the IMDB using the letter, then the original 1968 series comes up first in the listings of results. If you search using the number, then the 2010 version comes up first.
Pittsburgh, PA USA - Saturday, July 17, 2010 at 19:36:14 (PDT)
I can't wait until the premier. The original series was a staple at our house and it makes for fond memories of growing up and watching it with my Dad. The new cast is awesome and I expect it to be fun to watch!
Seminole, FL United States - Saturday, July 17, 2010 at 19:22:15 (PDT)
It is zero for the 50th state. If it were Five letter O then what would that mean?
Orange Beach, AL US - Saturday, July 17, 2010 at 18:41:58 (PDT)
No no no no no no!!! It is NOT zero!! Did you see the excerpt from the back cover of the soundtrack album (link below), which dates from the late 196>0<'s? If someone "forgot" that it was supposed to be zero after the show's debut in 1968, they forgot REAL fast!
See also the following:
Also, Karen Rhodes' book Booking Five->O< uses "O" (not zero) throughout...
Vancouver, BC - Saturday, July 17, 2010 at 15:13:38 (PDT)
Although Five-0 has been written with an upper-case letter "o", the zero is correct, because is stands for
the number 50, the 50th state in the union. That's how Five-0 got its name. At some point (heaven only knows when or where), that was forgotten.
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Saturday, July 17, 2010 at 14:40:47 (PDT)
Here is a bit of trivia. It seems like the gold chinese wall hanging is in the majority of house or apartment scenes. I guess everyone had the same interior decorator.
Boston, , MA USA - Saturday, July 17, 2010 at 14:36:43 (PDT)
Chase scene fires up new Five-O:
BTW, why is CBS spelling the name of the show Hawaii Five-0 (as in "zero") all over the place? I actually saw some recent posting by them justifying this which I can't track down at the moment. If you look at the soundtrack album (which dates back about 40 years), you can see the show name is spelled Five-O (as in the letter "O"). The letter "O" is distinctively different from the number "0" which is in the same blab on the back of the album.
I guess they are trying to cover all bases... ";-/
Vancouver, BC - Saturday, July 17, 2010 at 14:32:54 (PDT)
I recently got the first season of Hawaiian Eye (a precursor to our favorite show by about 10 years).
The third episode of this season is entitled "Second Day of Infamy". The story line is as follows:
Yatto Mitsuki, a former Japanese officer, was part of an espionage team which landed in Hawaii before Pearl Harbor. After a confrontation with the local authorities at the time, he received a head wound which resulted in amnesia. He has been confined to the Oahu Mental Hospital ever since, and when he escapes at the beginning of the show, Hawaiian Eye is hired to find him (the doctor from the hospital who is trying to locate him is played by Edward Platt, who was "Chief" on "Get Smart").
Mitsuki doesn't know that the war is over, and when he sees the the Pacific fleet is no longer in Pearl Harbor, he wants to warn the Japanese authorities, figuring he will be handsomely rewarded.
DUH!! Where have we heard something similar? One big difference with this earlier show is the lead character is actually played by a Japanese character actor -- Yuki Shimoda, who does a very good job.
After escaping from the hospital, Mitsuki tries to track down his former contacts, but is unsuccessful, except for his old girl friend Sumiko Natago (played by Miiko Taka, whose main claim to fame was as the love interest of Marlon Brando's character in Sayonara). Stealing some dynamite from a construction site, Mitsuki tries to blow up a fuel depot (hmmmm, another coincidence!), but is stopped in the nick of time.
By the way, Doug Mossman appears in this show as Marty, the security guard at the Hawaiian Eye office.
Vancouver, BC - Saturday, July 17, 2010 at 14:05:54 (PDT)
@ thomas parnell
Who is wearing shorts? The cargo PANTS are often worn by plain clothed law enforcement since they are comfortable and have so many pockets to carry various things.
Orange Beach, AL US - Saturday, July 17, 2010 at 13:43:53 (PDT)
Uh, Hans, even the almighty and invincible McGarrett wore a bulletproof vest at least once ... in the finale to the show "...And I Want Some Candy And A Gun That Shoots." Ironically, Danno, who is dispatched to go up the hill and knock off the sniper, does NOT wear such a vest, and is wounded in the shoulder as a result.
Wearing a bulletproof vest is the way things are done these days ... just like the way ambulance attendants wear gloves while handling patients.
Vancouver, BC - Saturday, July 17, 2010 at 12:28:37 (PDT)
So annoyed we have to wait till March next year for Series 8 to come out on Region2 here in the UK. It was supposed to come out in June this year? What are they playing at Surely its not rocket science to make region2 dvd from Region 1??
U.K. - Saturday, July 17, 2010 at 11:58:42 (PDT)
The new McGarrett wearing a bulletproof vest? Give me a break… The original McGarrett could get shot at 3, 4, 5 maybe 6 times without a scratch. Faster than the speed of light, he could duck his head, bob to the left and weave to the right to avoid bullets before he fired a single shot. When he did fire, he was usually right on target… and after all that, not a stitch of his suit was out of place and his hair was still perfect! Even if a gun was 6 inches away, he could talk his way out of it…
Boston, MA USA - Saturday, July 17, 2010 at 06:54:10 (PDT)
New Five-O begins filming:
Vancouver, BC - Friday, July 16, 2010 at 17:08:31 (PDT)
May I toot my horn for a minute? Yes, brag. My new book was released today (No, Kimo, not from O`ahu State Prison!!!). It's not Five-0 related, but if you could bear with me, I just have to tell the whole world about it.
It's entitled "A Part of Me" (named after Moe Keale's song, "A Part of Me, A Part of You") and is an anthology of poems, haiku, and short fiction. Most I wrote for Yahoo! 360 and Multiply.
Okay, we now return to our regular scheduled programming on most of these CBS television stations.
Mahalo and aloha!
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My heart is in, HI - Friday, July 16, 2010 at 12:35:54 (PDT)
"well, the more scenes that i watch from the "new" H50, the more disappointed i become. come on, i mean, "mcgarrett", head of an elite state police unit, running around in cargo shorts?!! yes, i know it's HAWAII, but should'nt these guys at least "look" professional? oh well, i'll wait & see what happens, but this looks like it will never live up to it's predecessor. "thanks" to 'h50 1.0 forever" for correcting my mistake.(i did'nt actually mention "once upon a time") it's good to know that people really know their "stuff" about "HAWAII FIVE-0", the greatest police show of all time!
gastonia, n.c. u.s.a. - Friday, July 16, 2010 at 12:21:28 (PDT)
Rick, thanks for that posted link. Interesting. I knew Stallone was short, but 5'7"???? I would've guessed 5'9" or 5'10". He always looked like a kid next to Bridgitte Nielson when they were together.
Shawnee, KS USA - Friday, July 16, 2010 at 07:29:01 (PDT)
The new Hawaii 50 is going to need a little more than a blessing to survive.I don't like what I see at all.This is not Hawaii 50.The new team is all wrong, so bland, all of them.Beautiful people, thin, great hair,nice smiles, but not tough enough to be part of a terrorist group.I will keep watching my DVDs.
USA - Friday, July 16, 2010 at 02:27:50 (PDT)
>>>One thing I did notice about the photo, except for Alex O, everyone else seems to be about 5'9" or less<<<
Not at all uncommon...
Newport Beach, CA USA - Thursday, July 15, 2010 at 21:09:37 (PDT)
From Peter Lenkov on Twitter: He mentioned that the first episode to launch the series has Five-0 chasing a wounded gunman on a Waikiki hotel rooftop. Sounds a little like our Five-0 but let us see.
Saw a little bit of Alex O' in moonlighting-surprised they canceled it-his performance is very convincing. Plus points, he does have an intent look, but more of a presence when he is suitably attired looking smart rather than the cargo pants etc.
Hawaii, Five-0 on rooftop - Thursday, July 15, 2010 at 20:50:01 (PDT)
True dat, Sandra! This new show ain't no Hawaii Five-O
This is like a real life version of the episode "Welcome to Our Branch Office" with CBS as the perpetrators. Someone should get Duke to book Les Moonves.
Seattle, WA USA - Thursday, July 15, 2010 at 18:18:32 (PDT)
Thanks for posting that information about the Hawaiian blessing for the new show, Mr. Mike. I think that was a nice thing for the local community to do. Before long we'll know if it helped or not. One thing I did notice about the photo, except for Alex O, everyone else seems to be about 5'9" or less. Jack Lord would have been a real giant among that cast!
Shawnee, KS USA - Thursday, July 15, 2010 at 18:05:14 (PDT)
YOU HAVE A NEW CAST, IT SHOULD HAVE A NEW NAME..IT IS NOT HAWAII FIVE-ZERO1
COLUMBIA, SC USA - Thursday, July 15, 2010 at 17:31:48 (PDT)
07.15.2010 "HAWAII FIVE-0" IS BLESSED
Production on New CBS Series Began Today With A Traditional
Hawaiian Blessing in Honolulu
Honolulu Police Chief Louis M. Kealoha Among the
Special Guests in Attendance
HAWAII FIVE-0 kicked off production in Honolulu today with a traditional Hawaiian blessing in honor of its host culture. Series stars Alex O'Loughlin, Scott Caan, Daniel Dae Kim and Grace Park, as well as the producers and the entire HAWAII FIVE-0 crew, participated. Kahu Kelekona Bishaw from Kamehameha Schools officiated over the ceremony, which included traditional royal maile leis, a Pule Wehe (opening prayer) and Pule Ho'oku'u (closing prayer) calling upon the elements and inviting goodness, protection, peace, happiness and success. Joining in the celebration was Police Chief Louis M. Kealoha.
Vancouver, BC - Thursday, July 15, 2010 at 16:35:12 (PDT)
I lived in Hawaii from 66-70. I remember when they did the show. It was cool because it was filmed where I lived. It was a good show. My parents watched it all the time. I will watch the new one also. Good Luck!!
Hoodsport, WA USA - Thursday, July 15, 2010 at 11:16:52 (PDT)
According to Kam Fong in a lengthy TV interview while the show was still being produced (copies available if anyone is interested), the pilot episode was also filmed in Los Angeles, with the exception of exterior shots, obviously.
Vancouver, BC - Thursday, July 15, 2010 at 07:44:45 (PDT)
Parnell, you are mistaken about "Once Upon a Time." It was filmed in Los Angeles. Not a problem. That's where CBS is located. That was probably the easiest episode for them to film of the entire series. Take a look at the scenery. Those are not Hawaiian mountains or apartment complexes. No railroad track runs across the street from a Cape Cod house in Hawai`i.
What you said is true about scenes in DC and Denver. They were filmed in Hawai`i. As for the snow in DC, someone stood over the set and shook fake snow down outside that window. On multiple occasions, they held a hose to represent it raining outside a window. It happened both in DC and in Honolulu. Just one problem with the Honolulu scene. The lanai outside Steve's office would have prevented rain water from running down his window the way it did in "Right Grave, Wrong Body." Further proof that his office was on a sound stage and not in `Iolani Palace.
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My heart is in, HI - Thursday, July 15, 2010 at 04:12:36 (PDT)
Don Ho sings the main theme from Hawaii Five-O:
Vancouver, BC - Wednesday, July 14, 2010 at 23:16:29 (PDT)
"in ref. to "will thereal mr. winkler, please die?"; for the people who can't remember, in the 1970's, cbs(like most networks) could not film t.v. series "on location" if the characters had to go away from their locale;(mcgarrett going to l.a., washington, denver,etc.)so at the time(1968-early 70's) they simply had to film their "out of town" scenes on the same soundstage, but put different props up, to make a background scene look like "l.a.", or wherever! when "nine dragons" premiered in 1976, that episode was actually filmed in hong kong. how do i know all this? i have a relative who worked in the movie buisness for many years; go back & when you see "palm trees" in "denver", well, it does'nt take a rocket scientist to figure it out! aloha!
gastonia, n.c. u.s.a. - Wednesday, July 14, 2010 at 20:51:19 (PDT)
Glenn, no, I did not get a copy of the pilot script. I remember going to the site to get one but did not. Perhaps, it wouldn't let me download or wanted too much personal information. I don't recall exactly why I did not get it.
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My heart is in, HI - Wednesday, July 14, 2010 at 11:44:18 (PDT)
H50 1.0 Forever,
Did you ever get a copy of the original Pilot script from ScriptCity.com?...just curious...:-)
Orlando, FL USA - Wednesday, July 14, 2010 at 11:27:27 (PDT)
"Re: "Will the Real Mr. Winkler Please Die?", did you notice the so-called Denver courthouse? It was actually the Ali`iolani Hale, the Supreme Court building across the street from `Iolani Palace. You'll recognize it by its staircase if you Google the hale. If you look out the window of the law library, you will see leaves on the trees. I don't think there were leaves in Denver when it was snowing in DC. LOL"
Yeah I noticed that too whenever I watch that episode.
MA - Tuesday, July 13, 2010 at 14:29:27 (PDT)
I don't know the locations used for filming in Hawaii Five-O as well as other people. I had a vague memory of McGarrett possibly being in Washington, DC at one point in one episode. It was definitely snowing outside.
United Kingdom - Tuesday, July 13, 2010 at 14:19:27 (PDT)
Re: "Will the Real Mr. Winkler Please Die?", did you notice the so-called Denver courthouse? It was actually the Ali`iolani Hale, the Supreme Court building across the street from `Iolani Palace. You'll recognize it by its staircase if you Google the hale. If you look out the window of the law library, you will see leaves on the trees. I don't think there were leaves in Denver when it was snowing in DC. LOL
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My heart is in, HI - Tuesday, July 13, 2010 at 11:34:17 (PDT)
The snowfall...Will the Real Mr. Winkler Pleae Die, maybe? I always thought it would have been cool if McGarrett had visited his sister in The Child Stealers when he goes to Los Angeles, maybe they could have incorporated the loss of her child into the story, she was trying to adopt from the same crooked agency, this would have given McGarrett a personal stake in the case. A lost opportunity. Still a great episode, though.
Columbus, OH USA - Tuesday, July 13, 2010 at 10:02:54 (PDT)
I liked it when some episodes were set partly away from Hawaii (like with the two-parter "Once Upon a Time" and "Nine Dragons"). I remember there being an episode where McGarrett was talking to someone whilst standing or walking by a window with snow falling outside. Possibly when McGarrett went to Washington, DC. Which episode did this happen in?
United Kingdom - Tuesday, July 13, 2010 at 09:56:26 (PDT)
I liked ONCE UPON A TIME because of all the obstacles that McG faced in bringing down the good doctor (time constraints, non-cooperative witnesses, etc)....also, the fact that McG's main nemesis was a beautiful woman who tried to lure him into her web. How many of those did we have throughout the series? LOL...when she propositions McG for a little personal involvement, he responds something like...."I'd rather take up with a cobra." And then he does her in with a little sleight of hand and drop of vegetable dye.
Raleigh, NC USA - Tuesday, July 13, 2010 at 09:18:28 (PDT)
Yep... "You are correct sir"
Newport Beach, CA USA - Tuesday, July 13, 2010 at 07:41:46 (PDT)
Rick, actually McGarrett mentions his sister again in Season 3, "Beautiful Screamer" as he is talking to Danny after his (Danno's) girlfriend is killed.
Shawnee, KS USA - Tuesday, July 13, 2010 at 06:13:48 (PDT)
Well, Rick, I guess it's a matter of what you're looking for. Re: location, I didn't care for it being set in Los Angeles, either, but it wasn't the only episode filmed away from Hawai`i. "The Year of the Horse" (Season 11), for example; it was filmed in Singapore. The line "Who made me Big Daddy to the world?" is a pretty typical reaction for what McGarrett was going through at the time. Tom had asked Steve to come and help him reach Mary Ann re: Fremont being a quack, because he couldn't get through to her. Yet, when Steve reacted in the only way a law enforcement officer could or would, he was blamed for it. How often does that happen when we overstep bounds - even at the request of those we are trying to help? Painful, but normal. If Tom came across as weak, I think it's understandable; after all, he was losing his son, and there wasn't thing one he could do about it. Actually, I don't think he was coping any better than Mary Ann was. So, no, it wasn't a typical episode, but it featured excellent writing, outstanding delivery in several scenes; e.g.,(a) when Steve tries to use the evidence to convince Mary Ann that Fremont is a quack, (b) when Steve confronts Fremont in her office, and (c) when Steve receives the call that Tommy has died and falls apart in his office. Len Freeman wrote that episode - and it shows in the quality of writing.
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My heart is in, HI - Monday, July 12, 2010 at 18:46:43 (PDT)
RE 'Once Upon A Time' ...the good, one of McG's best quotes: "Who made me big daddy to the world!" ...the bad, just about everything else: A very UN-Hawaiian episode. Too much of the ep filmed (supposedly) in El Lay. The insufferable wimpiness of McG's brother in law. The absurdity of McG having a sister never spoken of before or after this ep. A story that drags on and would have been more tolerable as a single episode. And last but not least, a season packed with too many quality episodes for this one to measure up against.
Newport beach, CA USA - Monday, July 12, 2010 at 13:30:40 (PDT)
There is no man walking this earth that could replace " JACK LORD" in the role of Steve Mgarret, there is no man that has the same presence.This show is going to flop.
Dublin, Leinster Ireland - Monday, July 12, 2010 at 12:41:38 (PDT)
I guess I need to revisit Once Upon a Time. I only saw it once but I didn’t like it. One of those bummer early episodes like King of the Hill and To Hell With Babe Ruth. I’ve missed the boat on some great episodes before only to appreciate them the 2nd time around. Maybe that’s the case here but I’m not ready yet, got to be in a certain mood for that one. I've found a few of the 2 parters like that one could have been done fine in 1 and 1/2 parts or less.
Boston, MA USA - Monday, July 12, 2010 at 12:36:37 (PDT)
Steven, Karen Rhodes' book is worth getting. In fact I'd say definitely worth getting. It's one of the TV/film reference books I've got which I've picked up again and again. Very informative read.
United Kingdom - Monday, July 12, 2010 at 12:28:42 (PDT)
I saw "Once Upon a Time" last of all the first season episodes, because I think it wasn't included in the syndication package. That may have made it seem a little extra special, on top of the fine acting & unusual human quality of it mentioned by others.
Brooklyn, NY - Monday, July 12, 2010 at 12:02:23 (PDT)
I think a film of Five-O with George Clooney and Matt Damon as Steve and Danno might have been pretty cool, especially if they had stuck to the spirit of the original, but I'm willing to give the new show a chance, if only for a few episodes.
Columbus, OH USA - Monday, July 12, 2010 at 11:49:29 (PDT)
I liked "once upon a time" We saw Jack demonstrate other aspects of acting-there were tears, disappointments and affection; in my view, he did a grand job even though this wasn't the typical Five-O story. The girl he kissed is on IMDB and still looks well.
On the reboot-revamp-retooling etc. etc. This will be a show in the mold of Lethal Weapon so like i originally said more of a parody and it will probably work at this level. I loved the comment made below about how MCG is impressed by Kono after she knocks out the surfer with one punch; that is what i mean this show is a parody after all Orci and Kurtzman felt it would be fun to use 48 hours style banter between the co-star Alex O' and Star Scott Caan. So, don't expect a serious show, but a parody.
the new show, is a parody - Monday, July 12, 2010 at 10:54:11 (PDT)
Rick says, "Interesting to me... the popularity of 'Once Upon A Time' I,II. It would not even make my S1 top five."
I think it was when McG bent down, took off the librarian's glasses, gave her a passionate kiss and said "Thanks Chickee-baby" that cemented this double ep as one of the greatest. That scene was "Steve McQueen" cool...
Raleigh, NC USA - Monday, July 12, 2010 at 09:28:36 (PDT)
Steven, I like Karen's book. I own a copy of it and refer to it as one of several sources of information. Like most such books, it is not an academic study seeking to be free of personal opinion, but it is quite complete and informative.
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My heart is in, HI - Monday, July 12, 2010 at 09:16:00 (PDT)
RE: Karen Rhodes' "Booking Five-O"
Is this book worth getting? I've read the (mixed) reviews at Amazon, but would prefer to hear peoples' comments here, seeing as I "know" some of you.
Miami, FL USA - Monday, July 12, 2010 at 07:13:42 (PDT)
Yes, I eventually "fingered it out" that Kono is OK because she is related to Chin Ho, and they are all "clean" cops ... i.e., the Honolulu police force is a cesspool of corruption.
Vancouver, BC - Sunday, July 11, 2010 at 21:19:09 (PDT)
Are you suggesting that female recruits are enlisted when they graduate to be members of some elite law enforcement team not connected with the police department, even though the head of the team says in this case "she's got no street experience" and tells her she could "earn a little extra credit before you [graduate]," solely because he is seemingly impressed that she punched out some guy who cut into her wave while surfing? Sorry, I can't buy this.
Mr. Mike, it was ALSO because she was Chin Ho's recommendation and McGarrett has faith in him because his father did.
PS "get real" is obnoxious! LOL I surf a few Hawaii sites and saw her proudly bring a comment she made here over to them, so I know who she is and she stalks Alex O'Laughlin.
Atlanta, GA US - Sunday, July 11, 2010 at 21:00:35 (PDT)
That was a funny video clip (posted further down the page). That was a bit rich from McGarrett, when you consider some of his fashion disasters!
United Kingdom - Sunday, July 11, 2010 at 14:22:57 (PDT)
Aw, come on, Rick. How can "Once Upon a Time" not be among your favorites? Poor Mary Ann and her baby. So, Steve might have bent a little and waited until after Tommy died before he went after the cobra. It's still a real tear jerker.
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My heart is in, HI - Sunday, July 11, 2010 at 13:27:03 (PDT)
Six, it is. thanks.
Buffalo, NY - Sunday, July 11, 2010 at 11:46:07 (PDT)
Interesting to me... the popularity of 'Once Upon A Time' I,II. It would not even make my S1 top five.
Of course, no surprise at all in S5... 'Vashon' I,II,III in my opinion the Five-0 episode(s) by which all others are judged.
Newport Beach, CA USA - Sunday, July 11, 2010 at 11:41:07 (PDT)
My Top Threes by Season:
1: Once Upon a Time; ...And They Painted Daisies on His Coffin; No Blue Skies
2: Three Dead Cows at Makapu; Cry, Lie; Most Likely to Murder
3: To Kill Or Be Killed; Beautiful Screamer; Trouble in Mind
4: Skinhead; Highest Castle, Deepest Grave; ...And I Want Some Candy and a Gun That Shoots
5: Vashon Trilogy; I'm a Family Crook - Don't Shoot; The Jinn Who Clears the Way
6: One Big Happy Family; Hookman; Mother's Deadly Helper
7: A Gun for McGarrett; We Hang Our Own (this is a weak season)
8: I don't care for this season
9-12: Reserving judgement, though certainly Nine Dragons & Number One with a Bullet will qualify
Brooklyn, NY - Sunday, July 11, 2010 at 10:06:27 (PDT)
Theresa, I would go with six, at least it's my personal favorite, although to be honest(and I'm sure some will disagree with this), I think seasons 2-7 are all excellent, they represent the best years of the show, with the jury still out on season nine. One is also quite good, and it gives you the added benefit of watching the show in its formative days. Frankly, you can't go wrong with any of the seasons released so far, but I'll lobby for season six with the caveat that it's a bit darker and edgier than the other years(I think so, anyway), so it all depends on what you're into.
Columbus, OH USA - Sunday, July 11, 2010 at 07:34:21 (PDT)
We are leaving tomorrow morning on a long driving/camping trip to colorado to visit our daughter. Season 8 is going to be loaned to our daughter since she's quite the H50 fan, also. (We raised her right.) Anyway, if you could only take one other season, which would it be? Our camper doesn't have cable but I have 2 dvd players. I will follow your advice since your recommendations for the best episodes have been spot-on. thank you and I'm looking forward to some good advice. Season 9 should be on my doorstep when I get back.
Buffalo, NY - Sunday, July 11, 2010 at 05:46:55 (PDT)
Hi Well, there is no replacing the original Hawaii 50 for those of us who are original fans....however, for the younger crowd, it will be a new show and, I hope, a good one. I have seen a few of the previews for the new show and it looks different. As you all know, Steve McGarrett usually was in a suit and that does not seem the case for the new show, however, since Jack Lord cannot be replaced, maybe it's a good thing they are not trying to do that.
I love this original show! It is truly a classic. I have the dvd's and never tire of watching Steve, Danny, Kono. Chin Ho and the gang that followed them. Best show of it's day and still is! Good luck to the new Hawaii 50!!!
newport beach, ca Antigua and Barbuda - Saturday, July 10, 2010 at 18:24:40 (PDT)
Very funny, McGarrett!
I'm surprised Charlie doesn't reply, "Same as yours, you jerk!" ";-)
Vancouver, BC - Saturday, July 10, 2010 at 17:21:28 (PDT)
Welcome Hawaii2003. Thanks for introducing yourself. I have not been to Hawaii YET (but I have been to your home state of Missouri many times - near St. Joe). However, I am planning to be in Hawaii at the end of October/beginning of November this year. I'm really looking forward to it. I believe they will still be filming the new show at that time so maybe I can get info as to where they are shooting. That would be cool. (If anyone has this kind of info, please let me know. Thanks.)
Chicago, IL USA - Friday, July 09, 2010 at 22:52:31 (PDT)
I have to add my comment regarding the truly excellent score for "A Thousand Pardons - You're Dead" by the great Morton Stevens. It would have been so nice to have "isolated scores" on many of these episodes on the DVD sets - BTW, don't forget to check out the "Thriller" TV box set coming in August, which will, indeed, feature many isolated scores by, both, Morton Stevens and Jerry Goldsmith.
Orlando, FL USA - Friday, July 09, 2010 at 19:09:54 (PDT)
Richard Shores' music for S2's "Forty Feet High and It Kills!" is relentlessly catchy and he's my favorite Five-O composer...after Stevens, of course.
Miami, FL USA - Friday, July 09, 2010 at 19:03:35 (PDT)
It's interesting, of the first shows in each season, Stevens scored all but two of them: season 3 (And A Time to Die, Shore) and season 11 (The Sleeper, Cacavas).
You are quite correct that the musical quality declined seriously towards the end. Read my anal-yses of seasons 10-12 via the main page, you'll get the picture!
Vancouver, BC - Friday, July 09, 2010 at 14:16:49 (PDT)
I think I agree for the most part Big H. I recall 9 Dragons had effective music and of course #1 w/ a Bullet but overall it got less cohesive. there is an episode from season 8 which I really liked one piece of music but they played it at weird times, like Steve and Danno talking in the office which I don't recall that happening much before then.
I remember a great piece from season 12 but not sure of the name. I need to look at Mr. Mike's list, the last 2 seasons I know so little about. And it wasn't really great, it was so corny and bad it was great... during a scene where guests are welcomed to Hawaii...
Boston, MA USA - Friday, July 09, 2010 at 13:59:50 (PDT)
Correct me if I'm wrong here, (and I've been wrong a lot!!), but in the latter seasons (say S8-S12), some of the eps have decent plot/story lines, but the music just fails to connect or even mildly enhance the eps like in 1000 Pardons, Singapore, Hookman, Nightmare, etc. Those eps were made sooooo much better by the accompanying scores, but in the later seasons, things are just "flat" with music that sounds like it was morphed out of Charlies Angels or something like that...just my 2 cents.....
Raleigh, NC USA - Friday, July 09, 2010 at 13:37:46 (PDT)
"Actually, Morton Stevens won an Emmy for "A Thousand Pardons, You're Dead" (1970)."
All that and B. Luna? Guess what episode I'm watching next?! I barely remember this one...
One day I'll make a top 10 list of 5-0 episode scores. I recently watched Death Wish on Tantalus Mountain and that has to be on it. The music was snappy and highly original (for 5-O). Very 70's jazzy/funky without sounding dated or too cliche.
Boston, MA USA - Friday, July 09, 2010 at 13:30:33 (PDT)
The sequence at the end of Thousand Pardons (which starts when Barbara Luna's character is in the bank) sounds like the accompaniment is on cellos played pizzicato. The melody line is either an electric guitar (also played pizzicato) or some kind of keyboard instrument (or a combination of both).
The sequence also sounds kind of fugal, but I'd have to listen more carefully.
If I had to give this theme a name, I would call it the "tiptoe" theme, since it sounds like someone is pussyfooting around.
The ending when Guardino is shot is very cool with the brass going kind of nuts.
By the way, look carefully at Guardino's jacket just before and when he hits the ground. You can see that it is wet. They probably did more than one take and didn't have another jacket which was dry!
Will, if you are having problems posting to the Guestbook (you don't specify what kinds of problems), please read the "Tips" section at the top of the page where you post...
Vancouver, BC - Friday, July 09, 2010 at 12:40:14 (PDT)
Actually, Morton Stevens won an Emmy for "A Thousand Pardons, You're Dead" (1970). He won again in 1974 for "Hookman." In addition, he was nominated in 1969 for the Five-0 theme.
Don B. Ray was nominated in 1974 for "Nightmare in Blue."
Bruce Broughton was nominated in 1974 for "The $100,000 Nickel."
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My heart is in, HI - Friday, July 09, 2010 at 12:25:19 (PDT)
Tried to post some more on music here twice today but both times was unsuccessful with the guestbook. Unfortunately, can't waste the time any more for a while.
Washington, DC USA - Friday, July 09, 2010 at 12:07:27 (PDT)
Nice to read so many interesting comments about "A Thousand Pardons...", as it's my all-time favorite episode. Aside from the great scenes with The Lord and Guardino, I just love Barbara Nichols in this! I first saw her in the movie "Sweet Smell of Success" and loved her comic timing. She's hilarious in the bar with McGarrett when she says with world-weary wisdom when she says something like: "You know something McGarrett? For every ounce of pleasure in this world, there's a pound of pain!"
As for the LeBron thing--if it bores me, then it really must irk our international readers who could care not a whit about America's dumb sports--I'll be sure to tell him when he gets here that "nobody's above the law in Miami--no one." ;)
Miami, FL USA - Friday, July 09, 2010 at 11:40:29 (PDT)
"We are being Lebroned with the reboot."
With all due respect, it’s not even close…
What Lebron did was more like if Jack Lord left 5-O in it’s prime after season 3 to join Malden and Douglas on The Streets of San Francisco while leaving the characters of Danno, Chin and Kono to fend off Wo Fat, Vashon and all the other dregs of society with no comparable replacement.
And instead of quietly exiting the show, Jack made a cute reality TV show out of his decision to leave, further devastating the hearts of the diehard fans of the show and rival shows in the process. Not to mention flipping off all those who kissed his butt and enabled his behavior over the years. I've never seen anything like it.
Boston, MA USA - Friday, July 09, 2010 at 11:37:43 (PDT)
A few S2 music thoughts, with maybe some more later. In the first few seasons the music cues get progressively more voluminous to track, as with each season a larger library is accumulated (as opposed to the later years, when most if not all of these great cues go unused).
To me, despite the great Stevens score for "A Thousand Pardons," S2 is the season of Shores, with his scores for "Sweet Terror" and "Forty Feet High" defining a lot of the sound of S2 and S3. The opening credit cue in "Sweet Terror", with Shore's take on the Five-O theme, is one of my favorites. It was re-used more times than I care to count in S2 and S3 and was used for the last time, I believe, in "The Clock Struck Twelve" in S5. The teaser sequence in "Forty Feet High", meanwhile, is one of the musical high points of the series.
Don Ray's first credited score for "Savage Sunday" has been "savaged" by Mr. Mike and others, and I will admit that its peppy action theme is not a hallmark of his tenure. But certain of the cues made their way into the consciousness of the series, including the bell cue when BVDE is shot in the teaser, and the somewhat morose Five-O theme cue when the truck is stopped at the end of the episode. The only other time the peppy action cue was used in the series was in Ray's score for "Paniolo" in S3 when it is heard coming from the TV at the daughter's house. (I wonder if this was an inside joke.)
The "memories" theme is first heard in "Singapore File", as is what I call the "suspense cue" (for example the first shot of Steve and Nicole on the ship). It was never clear to me how those cues were credited. They may have been credited to Stevens but they have a Ray feel to me.
As a general rule, since Ray was the music supervisor and had other previous CBS scores to his credit, when in doubt and if the music sounds plausible, I presume he is the source of cues of uncertain provenance. There are a couple of mystery cues in S2 that I apply this rule to as well, and I'll address those later.
Washington, DC USA - Friday, July 09, 2010 at 11:30:49 (PDT)
"Case in point - "A Thousand Pardons" - towards the end Harry Guardino is arriving at night in his jeep to Barbara Luna's apartment. Stevens' Emmy-nominated score there is sooooo goood but like I said it's both playful and creepy at the same time. Classic sound!! Anyway what would you call that sound? Personally I haven't the foggiest."
@RingFire....I listened to that musical sequence you referred to above several times last night. First of all, you are right, Ring, it is a GREAT piece. I'll take a stab and say it is likely some "plucking" being performed on string instruments like violin, viola, cello or bass. I think some of the upper melodic notes are actually on guitar, too, so it is a mixing of sounds. Mr. Mike, H50-F and Will, who also have musical backgrounds, might offer some insight as to this mysterious but effective sound.
PS....I just love the poolroom scene toward the end, and ANY scene with Barb Luna in it!!
Raleigh, NC USA - Friday, July 09, 2010 at 11:16:41 (PDT)
To Hawaii2003, nice to meet you and have you aboard, Sally! I still haven't been to Hawaii, but it is among my top ten list of things to do. What I am looking forward to the most is seeing the real Hawaii, just walking down the neighborhood streets, seeing what kind of fruits they sell in the grocery or roadside stands, which can't be had here, and the like. In short, no resorts where you never leave the grounds! Not that I could afford those anyway! :) People always ask me what's my favorite show, or what do I watch? When I answer, I get the inevitable blank stare. "Don't you watch anything new? That show is so old! Who starred in that? William Holden?" Ah no, he didn't. Good to meet people who get it!
Pittsburgh, PA USA - Friday, July 09, 2010 at 11:08:01 (PDT)
You know? I started posting just recently (have been a lurker “forever”) but I never really said “hi” to everyone and I didn’t introduce myself like I should….
So…my name is Sally. I live in Missouri, USA. I am a diehard fan of Hawaii Five 0. Once I told someone that show changed my life. They laughed. And what I meant by that is that because of that show, I went to Hawaii for the first time in 1973. It was everything I expected…only better. At the time I was watching Five-0 in b/w.
My love for Hawaii has never waned. Went back to Hawaii in 1990 and 2003 (thus my name of Hawaii2003). Without Five-0, I might have never gone to Hawaii. Oahu is my most favorite place in the whole world. If and when I win the lottery, I’m there (permanently). I’m obsessed with Hawaii and Hawaii Five-0. I guess we all are. Our master bedroom is in Hawaiian décor. Almost every photo in our home (other than our son and his wife) is of Hawaii (photos I took).
Of interest perhaps….Recently I went to our local post office. There’s a worker there who prides himself with knowing all TV trivia. When I asked him Steve McGarrett’s middle name, he didn’t know it! I stumped him. Bet he won’t forget “Aloysius”.
Nice meeting you all! And I’d like to thank Mike for being so nice!
Midwest, MO USA - Friday, July 09, 2010 at 10:53:38 (PDT)
I like to watch an episode each day while I eat lunch. Today, I watched "Over Fifty? Steal" (Season 3). I have an amusing anecdote that goes along with the episode theme (a Morton Stevens composition, by the way). Through the years, that melody has come to mind from time to time, sometimes to cause me to tap my feet in time to it, but I couldn't remember where I had heard it. Then, the remastered DVDs came out, and there it was! Ah ha! So, that was it! Five-0 does, indeed, leave a lasting impression. I especially like the arrangement at the end, starting with Filer's arrival at Paradise Park and going through to the end with the strong beat as he is about to be arrested.
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Friday, July 09, 2010 at 10:32:27 (PDT)
Actually, H50 Forever, I was just making that up about being dumped for watching Five-0. Appreciate the sympathy, though. Looking forward to listening to the rap recording, but have to head out right now.
Columbus, OH USA - Friday, July 09, 2010 at 08:47:20 (PDT)
"Hans, it really shows us how wonderful Morton Stevens' music would be if we could hear it in stereo. WOW!"
No kidding 1.0! If it wasn't sampled it sure is a direct copy of the arrangement, I hope they gave him credit.
It just got weirder. I found this gansta rapper doing his thing to the sounds of Morton Stevens 5-O music.
Boston, MA USA - Friday, July 09, 2010 at 08:32:29 (PDT)
We are being Lebroned with the reboot.
Tampa, poor man's Hawai'i - Friday, July 09, 2010 at 08:11:45 (PDT)
No, Chris. You don't need to tell us about your labroning. Truth be known, we've all been labroned at one time or another. As for the entertainment industry's preoccupation with such behavior, it probably goes back to "Dallas" and "Dynasty," but others might have come before. I just wish the fad had died out after it had its 15 minutes in the sun.
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Friday, July 09, 2010 at 07:44:30 (PDT)
Now that THE DECISION is behind us, this will be my final reference on this webpage. I can see the term "being Lebroned" entering the vernacular now, referring to replacing a loyal associate with a better, or at least flashier model. For instance, when Tim O'Kelly was replaced with James MacArthur after Cocoon, he was seriously Lebroned. When Ed Bernero was replaced with Orzi and Kurtzman, he too was seriously Lebroned. When my girlfriend dumped me for some rich, preppy guy because I, among other things, spend way too many hours watching Hawaii Five-O, I got seriously...actually, I don't want to talk about that.
Columbus, OH USA - Friday, July 09, 2010 at 06:05:11 (PDT)
Good one, Chris! I'm still going to go with my original plan of watching Brooklyn born and bred Jack Lord. Since the shows only last 50 minutes or so, I think I'll follow up my original selection with Kiss the Queen Goodbye. With this plan in motion, I am sure to miss ho-hum "The Decision."
Buffalo, NY - Thursday, July 08, 2010 at 15:02:06 (PDT)
I beleive that the problem with a DVD automatically displaying subtitles is a function of the DVD player, not the disc. I have had this problem with other DVDs and switched to a different player and it worked fine
Honolulu, HI USA - Thursday, July 08, 2010 at 14:18:28 (PDT)
A new news article about the Hawaii Five-O revival show. The URL link to the news article is below:
United Kingdom - Thursday, July 08, 2010 at 14:15:19 (PDT)
"Will in Washington, I would definitely be interested in hearing more of this season-by-season breakdown. Speaking of subtitles, does anyone else have this problem with season eight, that the subtitles come on automatically and it's up to the viewer to shut them off? One reviewer on Amazon noted the same feature. This is not the case with any of the other seasons. Is every copy of season eight like this, or do some of you out there own sets where this does not occur?"
I don't have that trouble with the dvd's. I have a button on my dvd switch that I can put the subtitles up. They don't come up automatically at all for me.
MA - Thursday, July 08, 2010 at 14:10:35 (PDT)
Hans, it really shows us how wonderful Morton Stevens' music would be if we could hear it in stereo. WOW!
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Thursday, July 08, 2010 at 14:01:50 (PDT)
This just in from CBS and the "LA Times" - - http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2010/07/cbs-explains-why-it-likes-numbers-more-than-letters.html
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Thursday, July 08, 2010 at 13:55:36 (PDT)
Don't feel bad for not getting it, Nadja. You have to live in America. I'm an Ohio boy, and trust me, this thing has gotten way out of hand, even for me. I'll still be watching, though. Maybe I'll warm up with a little Leopard on the Rock.
Columbus, OH USA - Thursday, July 08, 2010 at 13:26:29 (PDT)
Nadja.....I think the DECISION is one hour long on ESPN...
Raleigh, NC USA - Thursday, July 08, 2010 at 13:23:20 (PDT)
Oh, thanks Chris. But does that announcement take the length of a TV show? I don't get it ;-)
Berlin, - Thursday, July 08, 2010 at 13:16:35 (PDT)
By the way, for those of you in Canada and Germany and the UK, or just people with better things to do with their lives, THE DECISION is Lebron James' announcement of where he'll be playing next year in the NBA. I'm glad to see that for some of you, Five-O trumps THE DECISION(admittedly, I'll probably be watching THE DECISION...I guess I could use a good whupping from McGarrett).
Columbus, OH USA - Thursday, July 08, 2010 at 12:38:26 (PDT)
What, Theresa? You mean you're not going to watch THE DECISION? What kind of American are you?
Columbus, OH USA - Thursday, July 08, 2010 at 12:35:05 (PDT)
I have to turn the subtitles off on my Season 8. glad to hear that this is a general problem because I thought my dvd player was malfunctioning. I am enjoying the discussion of favorite shows. With absolutely nothing to watch on TV, this forum's recommendations are a godsend. Last night,--Pray love remember, tonight,--Leopard on a rock!
Buffalo, NY - Thursday, July 08, 2010 at 12:26:12 (PDT)
OK music fans, I'm hearing some startling similarities here. Start listening to this 5-0 track around the 53 second mark -->
Mort Stevens And His Orchestra - The Long Wait
then listen to the very beginning of this track by a current and popular UK band -->
Zero 7 – Out of Town
Boston, MA USA - Thursday, July 08, 2010 at 11:57:10 (PDT)
And yes Will from Washington, please do continue with your write-up of the various musical cues on the show. The Five-0 music is very intriguing - we all know the obvious ones like the violin theme or the memories theme or the military theme. But there are so many others that I don't even know what to call them (I know Mr. Mike has various names for various themes) - many of them I can't even tell what the instrument is or what feeling they're supposed to generate. All I know is they're all cool! Some have an interesting combination of creepiness and mystery but at the same time a certain island playfulness to them which sounds like an odd combination. But it really works! Case in point - "A Thousand Pardons" - towards the end Harry Guardino is arriving at night in his jeep to Barbara Luna's apartment. Stevens' Emmy-nominated score there is sooooo goood but like I said it's both playful and creepy at the same time. Classic sound!! Anyway what would you call that sound? Personally I haven't the foggiest.
Philadelphia, PA USA - Thursday, July 08, 2010 at 09:53:13 (PDT)
Hans says.."My dream has been to have all 12 seasons on DVD and watch the 1st episode of season 1, then 1st episode of season 2, then 1st of season 3 all the way to season 12, then watch the 2nd episode of season 1, season 2 etc... I think it would be an amazing way to watch the show..."
Try this, Hans...watch any ep from S1, then immediately watch any ep from S12...paying close attention to JL's delivery. (or music, or writing, or styles, or haircuts, etc.) It will blow you away.
Raleigh, NC USA - Thursday, July 08, 2010 at 09:45:47 (PDT)
"A Bullet for El Diablo", directed by the uniformly great Allen Reisner of "Hookman" fame, is one of my favorites from season 6. Great episode! Even slightly better than "Leopard on the Rock" which of course was also great and one of my favorites from the 2nd season.
Philadelphia, PA USA - Thursday, July 08, 2010 at 09:41:50 (PDT)
"At the 1999 Five-O Reunion in Honolulu, Seth Sakai told me that Jack Lord renamed the character because Lord didn't like the character's original name." -- It's funny because almost anything would have been better than Seth Sakai. I mean "SETH" - can you imagine a Hawaiian or a Japanese for that matter with the name of Seth? I know it's his real name (funny he doesn't look like a Seth) but still... why couldn't he be Tojo Kimura or even Jimmy Sakai? Anything is better than Seth.
Philadelphia, PA USA - Thursday, July 08, 2010 at 09:36:34 (PDT)
Thanks, Nadja. The subtitle problem is annoying but livable, hopefully it won't rear its head with season nine. Hans, I think you were thinking of A Bullet for El Diablo, which isn't a great episode by any means, it's one of the more preposterous, but still pretty good. I love Leopard on a Rock, it reminds me of an abridged version of a Robert Altman film, with all these different characters with different agendas, POVs, it's a pretty singular episode I think.
Columbus, OH USA - Thursday, July 08, 2010 at 09:33:36 (PDT)
"Jenny's embarrassing serenade of McGarrett was in S2's "Blind Tiger", which featured a car bomb blast I'm sure was meant for Jenny..."
Ha, thanks for that. Jenny was probably that kid in school who said "teacher, you forgot to give us homework!!!"
And I think it was the usenet 5-O board I was on for a short time years ago. What a huge disapointment. That woman was like nails on a chalkboard, she would blather on endlessly about everything BUT the TV show.
Boston, MA USA - Thursday, July 08, 2010 at 08:38:10 (PDT)
"the piece that I was actually referring to originally I just found at the beginning of season 2's "Leopard on the Rock" - it starts playing immediately after the opening theme as McGarrett is running down the Iolani steps to his car"
I watched it last night, now I know the piece, it sounds like it's climbing and climbing, a great bit... and what a great episode. Somehow I missed this one, I think I mistook it for another episode where Maria turns into RITA! So I didn't bother watching it originally. Leopard on the Rock is very fast paced, the 52 minutes went by in a blink. Lots of McGarrett magic, talking like a bad ass.
After watching all of season 8 I'm appreciating just how great some episodes from the first 2 seasons were in comparison...
Boston, MA USA - Thursday, July 08, 2010 at 08:23:21 (PDT)
I bought my dvd set at amazon.com and I don't have that problem. I have to turn the subtitles on.
Berlin, - Thursday, July 08, 2010 at 08:11:21 (PDT)
Will in Washington, I would definitely be interested in hearing more of this season-by-season breakdown. Speaking of subtitles, does anyone else have this problem with season eight, that the subtitles come on automatically and it's up to the viewer to shut them off? One reviewer on Amazon noted the same feature. This is not the case with any of the other seasons. Is every copy of season eight like this, or do some of you out there own sets where this does not occur?
Columbus, OH USA - Thursday, July 08, 2010 at 08:06:45 (PDT)
I asked this very question on my classic movie blog where one reader commented with this:
"I wouldn't be surprised if the captioning is done by court reporters, who take down phonetic sounds in shorthand as they listen and then transcribe it into words later. I proofread for court reporters, and you'd be amazed how easy it is for a phrase like "Have a" to turn out to be "apple" during the "scoping" process when the sounds are turned into a transcript with words, especially if the reporter isn't familiar with the material. A computer does a lot of the "translating," which is then cleaned up by the reporter and/or a proofreader. One of my main jobs is fixing things that sound a bit similar but aren't accurate, or tidying up things like their/there, past/passed, etc. If no one is proofreading the film captioning, there you have it."
Miami, FL USA - Thursday, July 08, 2010 at 07:55:32 (PDT)
I think they're typing what they hear. The Hawaiian names are really funny sometimes. Last time I saw "Kemo" for Kimo or "Pow" for "Pau" and they never translate Kalaniana'ole highway ;-)
Berlin, - Thursday, July 08, 2010 at 07:53:30 (PDT)
I am curious to know how the subtitles on the Five-O DVDs (or any DVDs) are created (not technically in terms of making the words appear on the screen, but the actual words themselves).
I checked out an article at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subtitles which has a lot of detail, but it doesn't say (at least as far as my quick read-through can tell) where does the information come from ... for example, is it just done by some person listening to the show and typing out what they heard, or are they working from a script of the show, for example?
Once they come up with an English "translation," they I guess they would make foreign language translations based on that.
In the case of closed captions which already exist, they would probably use that as the basis for translations, etc. (and then they wouldn't have to do everything from scratch to boot).
In the case of Five-O, there are often spelling mistakes (which I have pointed out in my anal-yses) ... which suggests to me that they are not using a script.
Vancouver, BC - Thursday, July 08, 2010 at 07:32:23 (PDT)
There's been some discussion about Five-O musical scores of late, and I consider myself fairly well versed in the subject, so I thought I would contribute a few thoughts one season at a time...
First Season: Obviously, the season of Stevens, with only a couple of non-Stevens scores. While the music is uniformly good, I would respectfully disagree with those who say that this is the strongest background music during the series' run. In my view, Stevens had not yet peaked with the syncopated percussive sounds that made his music so distinctive, starting with "A Thousand Pardons" in S2.
One of the most notable recurring cues from S1 is the "action" cue which makes its first appearance, I believe, in "24 Karat Kill". Another is what I call the "menace" cue originally from "Strangers in Our Own Land" (e.g., the final bulldozer scene) but which finds perhaps its most memorable use in "Yesterday Died" in the Trinian P.O.V. shots. The "menace" cue is actually a minor variation on the wistful island theme from "Strangers" (e.g. in Act I where Simon Oakland looks out over Honolulu).
An odd out-of-place cue in S1 can be heard in "King of the Hill" in (I believe) Act III where we are tracking some police progress outside the hospital. Though the bulk of the score is unmistakably Geller, this cue is one that is heard actually throughout S2 and is I believe a Ray composition; I don't believe it shows up anywhere else in S1.
One final note on S1: many of the Stevens cues in this season (especially the more action-oriented ones, as opposed to the scene-setting ones) are rarely heard much past S2. But then, all of a sudden, a lot of them are used in S7's "The Young Assassins."
More to follow if there is interest....
Washington, DC USA - Thursday, July 08, 2010 at 07:17:50 (PDT)
At the 1999 Five-O Reunion in Honolulu, Seth Sakai told me that Jack Lord renamed the character because Lord didn't like the character's original name.
Vancouver, BC - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 at 22:34:24 (PDT)
Anyone find it funny that Seth Sakai played (surprise!!) SETH SAKAI in "Bomb, Bomb, Who's Got the Bomb?" LOL! I love how McGarrett says to Danno "Seth Sakai?! The mobster?" And I'm like "No, Jack, the actor". Incidentally he was Raymond Sakai in "The Finishing Touch". I dunno... I just found it hilarious. Imagine if actors actually went by their real name when playing a character on a show. Danno would burst into McGarrett's office and say "Bingo, Steve! We just checked Army records and the sergeant in charge at the base is one Harry Guardino". Let's go Danno and they run down the Iolani steps to apprehend Sgt. Guardino. The sergeant of course is guilty of murdering a wealthy widow - one Miss Loretta Swit.
Philadelphia, PA USA - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 at 21:29:07 (PDT)
Just to get in on the Barbara Luna thread -- I then had to look her up at the IMDB. She is as gorgeous as ever! She also has an official site, which you can link to from there. Never knew, or at least forgot, that she was married to Doug McClure.
Pittsburgh, PA USA - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 at 20:00:54 (PDT)
Nadja, thanks for the link--I have the album stored away somewhere in the parents' basement from years ago when I purchased it at a comics convention, but had never gotten around to ripping it to MP3's. This just saved me the trouble (and a lot of time) of making a backup copy--sounds awesome!
Denver, CO USA - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 at 18:21:03 (PDT)
The more I look at the CBS promo clip for the new 5-0, the more I can see that the stunt woman who surfs for Grace Park is much more muscular than the actress. I had to look hard, but I can see it. Also, I bet
no one called anyone “you son of a bitch” back in the ‘70s version. I wonder if any cuss words were used.
You know, I have back surgery coming up in a few weeks. Lovely thought! Anyway, the reason I bring that up is ‘cause I’ll be laid up for about a month. What a great time, to watch every “5-0” episode on all 8 of my DVDs. And I have 8 “Magnum P.I.” DVDs to boot. That should keep me busy.
Midwest, MO USA - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 at 16:44:47 (PDT)
My 3 favorite episodes in order for every year 1-10
1- Pray Love Remember Pray Love Remember, Along Came Joey, Deathwatch,
2- Forty Feet High and it Kills, All the King's Horses, Cry Lie,
3- Over Fifty--Steal, Paniolo, The Late Great John Louisiana,
4- Highest Castle Deepest Grave, Skinhead, Cloth of Gold,
5- V for Vashon, all 3 parts
6- A 3 way tie for Hookman, Draw me a Killer, and One Big Happy Family
7- We hang our own, How to Steal a Masterpiece, Computer Killer
8- Retire in Sunny Hawaii Forever, The Case Against McGarret, A Touch of Guilt
9- Nine Dragons, Ellegy in a Rain Forest, The Last of the Great Paperhangersm
10- Invitation to Murder, Descent of the Torches, Up the Rebels,
It is a long time since I watched any season 11 or 12 episodes. I therefore can't honestly pick 3.
Lantana, FL USA - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 at 16:32:36 (PDT)
Thank you so much! I got it! I can’t believe I have these songs at last!
Since they never released as an audio CD, I thought my
days of listening to the LP were over (we don’t have a turntable anymore).
MP3s! I just burned them to a CD so now I have my very own “Hawaii Five-0 CD”
Mahalo Nui Loa!!!!!!!!!
Midwest, MO USA - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 at 16:24:41 (PDT)
Thanks for that link Nadja!
Chris, your list is very interesting in how deep Hookman and Steal a Masterpiece are down in your lists, 7th and 8th within just one season. Those episodes are commonly listed as best of the entire series... and that's the beauty of it all... nice to see Cloth of Gold and Trouble in Mind up top, 2 of my favs...
My dream has been to have all 12 seasons on DVD and watch the 1st episode of season 1, then 1st episode of season 2, then 1st of season 3 all the way to season 12, then watch the 2nd episode of season 1, season 2 etc... I think it would be an amazing way to watch the show...
Boston, MA USA - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 at 16:21:15 (PDT)
rar files are compressed files. You can extract them with "winrar" or "7-zip"
Berlin, - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 at 15:07:02 (PDT)
New news article posted on Digital Spy about the Hawaii Five-O revival (it's more like an interview with Grace Park). The URL link to the news article is below:
United Kingdom - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 at 14:30:14 (PDT)
That's a great list, Chris, but I can best it by listing my favorite 23/24 episodes from each season. ROFL. Just teasing.
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 at 14:03:40 (PDT)
Maybe I didn't do something right but I couldn't download the MP3 soundtrack file...I got a .rar file and I don't know what that is. My computer doesn't recognize that file format. When I went to your link, I got "re-routed" all over the place. ???
Midwest, MO USA - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 at 13:39:45 (PDT)
Okay, I’m going to up the ante here(because I have WAY too much time on my hands...what can I say, it’s 95 degrees outside and I’m staying inside with my air conditioning). My top ten episodes for each SEASON(so far, and not counting season eight because I already did that).
Season One: 1&2.) Once Upon a Time 3.) No Blue Skies 4.) And They Painted Daisies On His Coffin 5.) Pray Love Remember, Pray Love Remember 6.) Full Fathom Five 7.) Strangers in Our Own Land 8.) Face of the Dragon 9.) King of the Hill 10.) The Box
Season Two: 1.) The Joker’s Wild, Man, Wild 2.) Most Likely to Murder 3.) Which Way Did They Go 4.) A Thousand Pardons, You’re Dead 5.) Leopard on the Rock 6.) Run, Johnny, Run 7.) Cry, Lie 8&9.) Three Dead Cows at Makapuu 10.) Forty Feet High and It Kills!
Season Three: 1.) Trouble in Mind 2.) To Kill or Be Killed 3.) Force of Waves 4.) Over Fifty, Steal 5.) Paniolo 6.) Ten Thousand Diamonds and a Heart 7&8.) F.O.B. Honolulu 9&10.) The Grandstand Play
Season Four: 1.) Cloth of Gold 2.) Wednesday, Ladies Free 3.) And I Want Some Candy and a Gun That Shoots 4.) Nine, Ten, You’re Dead 5.) Highest Castle, Deepest Grave 6.) Skinhead 7.) Good Night, Baby, Time to Die 8.) While You’re At It, Bring in the Moon 9&10.) The Ninety Second War
Season Five: 1,2&3.) V for Vashon 4.) The Jinn Who Clears the Way 5.) Here Today, Gone Tonight 6.) Pig in a Blanket 7.) Will the Real Mr. Winkler Please Die 8.) Death Wish on Tantalus Mountain 9.) The Listener 10.) I’m a Family Crook, Don’t Shoot
Season Six: 1.) One Big Happy Family 2.) Death With Father 3.) The Banzai Pipeline 4.) Nightmare in Blue 5.) Why Wait Until Uncle Kevin Dies? 6.) Mother’s Deadly Helper 7.) Hookman 8.) Draw Me a Killer 9.) Murder With a Golden Touch 10.) One Born Every Minute
Season Seven: 1.) Bones of Contention 2.) Diary of a Gun 3.) The Young Assassins 4.) Computer Killer 5.) We Hang Our Own 6.) I’ll Kill ‘Em Again 7.) The Two-Faced Corpse 8.) How to Steal a Masterpiece 9.) A Woman’s Work Is With a Gun 10.) The Hostage
Columbus, OH USA - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 at 13:35:21 (PDT)
My favorites by season:
1. King of the Hill; honorable mention: Pray Love Remember, Pray Love Remember
2. A Thousand Pardons - You’re Dead!; honorable mention: Most Likely to Murder
3. ...And A Time to Die; honorable mention: Over Fifty? Steal
4. Rest in Peace, Somebody; honorable mention: The 90 Second War, part 1
5. Vashon trilogy; honorable mention: I’m a Family Crook, Don’t Shoot
6. Hookman; honorable mention: One Big Happy Family
7. The Hostage; honorable mention: A Woman’s Work is With a Gun
8. Murder – Eyes Only; honorable mention: Retire in Sunny Hawaii Forever
9. Nine Dragons; honorable mention: Elegy in a Rainforest
10. Descent of the Torches; honorable mention: A Death in the Family
11. Number One With a Bullet; honorable mention: A Distant Thunder
12. A Lion in the Streets; honorable mention: none
Shawnee, KS USA - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 at 12:54:07 (PDT)
Chris, Columbus, Ohio: no harm in admitting that Jack Lord possessed a few flaws? Oooo, I think my center of gravity just shifted! :) Seriously, you make some good points. I'm trying to think of some convincing romantic scenes between Steve McGarrett and whomever, but I'm going to need more time to think. He came close in "Sing a Song of Suspense." There was a strong hint of what could be, but it wasn't really developed.
Pittsburgh, PA USA - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 at 12:33:10 (PDT)
"I watched Strangers last night to hear that bit, it sounded like a variation of the 5-O theme song?" - My mistake, Hans. That's not the piece that I'm talking about. As for the mechanical sounding piece that you mentioned it plays later when Danno is driving towards the house of Grace Willis. A variation of it also plays towards the end of "Tiger by the Tail" when the kidnapper Allen Brent is going out to drop off the ransom recording a second time before getting captured by McGarrett. Really cool mechanical/electronic sounding piece! But anyway the piece that I was actually referring to originally I just found at the beginning of season 2's "Leopard on the Rock" - it starts playing immediately after the opening theme as McGarrett is running down the Iolani steps to his car. It's also heard later when the fuel truck is traveling towards the airport where Jakhal is landing.
Philadelphia, PA USA - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 at 12:27:30 (PDT)
Here's something else to try out ... a "message board." I dunno if this would suit my purposes that well. Archiving the material posted there would be VERY complicated, even more so than the alternate Guestbook that I set up yesterday (link below and above).
Try and break this message board!!
Vancouver, BC - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 at 11:28:36 (PDT)
I did not realize the old hawaii five-O usenet/bulletin board was still accessible on the internet. Such memories. Whatever became of some of those folks like Inglewolf and she-whose-name-we-shall-not-speak? Are they posting here?
alt.fan.hawaii-five-o still exists as a Usenet newsgroup, but it hasn't had any postings of any significance for years. The place, like most other Usenet discussion groups, is flooded with spam garbage these days. As well, many Internet providers no longer provide access to Usenet, so, unless you have a subscription with some company like www.giganews.com, you can't access these groups anyway.
Inglewolf posts from time to time in the Yahoo group H50FC (there is a box near the bottom of front page of my WWW site if anyone wants to join up there); as far as Judith is concerned, I hope she F[ed]OAD[d], to use an Internet acronym!
Vancouver, BC - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 at 11:08:02 (PDT)
Barbara Luna also appeared in the opening two-parter for season 12 (and the last show of any quality, IMHO), A Lion in the Streets. She has a more "maternal" role in this show, playing the wife of union organizer Andy Kamoku, who is trying to keep the United Resort Workers from being taken over by Johnny Mio, a mainland thug connected with Hawaiian mob boss Tony Alika. Interestingly, Kamoku is played by Paul Smith, perhaps most famous for his portrayal of the brutal Turkish prison warden in Midnight Express.
Vancouver, BC - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 at 11:02:49 (PDT)
Barbara Luna appeared a second time on Five-0, ten years after 'A Thousand Pardons' in 'A lion In The Streets'
Here she is in 2009..
Newport Beach, CA USA - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 at 11:01:26 (PDT)
Chris, Barbara Luna also appeared in the season 12 2-hour opener, "A Lion in the Streets".
My favorites by season:
2. Forty Feet High-And It Kills!
3. ...And A Time to Die
4. Rest in Peace, Somebody
5. Vashon trilogy
7. We Hang Our Own
8. McGarrett is Missing
9. Man in a Steel Frame
10. A Death in the Family
11. The Execution File
12. A Lion in the Streets
Denver, CO USA - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 at 10:58:23 (PDT)
@Chris Yes, those are movies JL made.
@Hans Oh, that terrible Margo. That McG ever was interested in her was out of character, that egotistic b**** ;-)
BTW here is a download for the Soundtrack: http://www.sinlesslinks.com/Music/hawaii-fiveo-orig-tv-soundtrack-1968-mp3/
@Steve's girl I'll write you a message at Virginia's.
Berlin, - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 at 10:35:02 (PDT)
Speaking of Barbara Luna, there's a website called Star Trek Phase II where new episodes of Star Trek are being produced with mostly unknown actors, although George Takei and Walter Koenig, among others, have made appearances. I don't know who is bankrolling these shows, but the production quality is surprisingly high. At any rate, Barbara Luna(who was one of Capt. Kirk's numerous conquests on the original show) is a guest star on one of these Phase II episodes, and she still looks great. I heard that she still does the convention circuit(I mean as a guest speaker so keep your dirty minds to yourselves), she seems pretty down to earth, nostalgic about her memorable role on ST, respectful of the show's fandom. I wonder how she feels about her time on Five-O. A Thousand Pardons was her only appearance, or am I wrong?
Columbus, OH USA - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 at 10:33:50 (PDT)
Mr. Mike, I was catching up on comments made in the last several days I came across one of yours: To quote Maurice Chevalier from "Gigi": "Ah yes, I remember that well..."
And to add to it, I say: deja vu.
I did not realize the old hawaii five-O usenet/bulletin board was still accessible on the internet. Such memories. Whatever became of some of those folks like Inglewolf and she-whose-name-we-shall-not-speak? Are they posting here?
Shawnee, KS USA - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 at 10:32:22 (PDT)
Jenny's embarrassing serenade of McGarrett was in S2's "Blind Tiger", which featured a car bomb blast I'm sure was meant for Jenny...
Miami, FL USA - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 at 10:05:55 (PDT)
"I'm pretty sure McG "sealed the deal" in Thanks for the Honeymoon. In fact, that's one of the rare episodes where he seems out of character, more interesting in rekindling the flame with his ex than protecting the witnesses, and look at the result."
I think that was one of the few episodes that made me cringe. Of all Steve's love interests she was my least favorite. There was something painfully corny about it, overdone or maybe because it was so out of character. I didn't find her all that attractive either.
There was another rare instance that made me wince, I think it was at the start of the 90 second war (great episiode) there was a birthday party for Steve and Jenny started singing "for he's a jolly good fellow" it was beyond corny even for the early 70's...
Boston, MA USA - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 at 09:40:01 (PDT)
"Maybe it wasn't Lord so much who was uncomfortable with romantic scenes, maybe it was Five-O's writers and producers. The romantic lives of the characters is an area that is seldom explored in the series, after all." I concur with Chris' assessment. I think the directors/writers/producers deliberately took a "Hitchcockian" approach to romance on 5-0...meaning, in a Hitch movie, you knew the murder happened, you just usually didn't see the gruesome act. Ok, "Psycho" is an exception. I think JL could have handled the romance end of it easily. You have to remember the target audience back in the 60-70s. Shucks, if you wanted romance, you turned on The Guiding Light, etc...
Raleigh, NC USA - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 at 09:28:44 (PDT)
"How could you not be emotionally involved with Barbara Luna?" ...can't speak for Danno, but I certainly know that I was!
Newport Beach, CA USA - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 at 09:09:19 (PDT)
After having given it considerable thought, here is my list of favorites, but there ostly there are close runne-ups, so "favorites" can vary from time to time:
1. The Ways of Love
2. The Singapore File
3. Over Fifty? Steal
4. Highest Castle, Deepest Grave
5. Thanks for the Honeymoon
6. Draw me a Killer
7. The Young Assassins
8. Honor Is an Unmarked Grave
9. Man in a Steel Frame
10. The Cop on the Cover
12. Woe to Wo Fat
* I taped only a few episodes from Seasons 11 and 12, but "Woe to Wo Fat" is amog the "Alltime Seasons Favorites", so it is mentione here.
@ Nadja: You mentioned "Walk like a Dragon" and "The Name of the Game is Kill", do you have any idea, where Ican obtain those films?
Germany - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 at 09:03:04 (PDT)
I'm not familiar with the titles you're referring to, Nadja, I'm assuming they're movies Lord was in, but your comment does raise an interesting issue. Maybe it wasn't Lord so much who was uncomfortable with romantic scenes, maybe it was Five-O's writers and producers. The romantic lives of the characters is an area that is seldom explored in the series, after all. I love the episode A Thousand Pardons, You're Dead, but one thing that bothers me is how underdeveloped the relationship between Danno and the prostitute is. He's cavorting half-naked on the beach with Barbara freakin' Luna for God's sake, presumably sleeping with her, and all he can do when his cover is blown is say to Steve, "I blew it." In other words it was just a job for him, stud service as part of his duty, no evidence of any emotional involvement. This to me is very unconvincing. How could you not be emotionally involved with Barbara Luna? You would think he would at least feel a tinge of regret over using her like that. Again, I think this was a lost opportunity, it might have turned a truly great episode into an all-time classic.
Columbus, OH USA - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 at 08:55:44 (PDT)
“For example it plays in "Strangers in Our Own Land" as McGarrett is driving through an alleyway to Tommy Kapali's house to speak to his mother (played by Hilo Hattie). It's this really catchy Morton Stevens tune which was used quite extensively in the 1st season and which I don't think we heard past the 2nd or 3rd season. I call it the "early Five-0 music".”
I also like the early music I was just commenting how limited it was 1st season, much of it was in the pilot. I watched Strangers last night to hear that bit, it sounded like a variation of the 5-O theme song? There had to be at least 4 or 5 variations of the theme during the shows, most if not all are slowed down. I really like the one that is mechanical sounding if that makes any sense. They also played the hippie blues music when they found Tommy hanging. I have the soundtrack on vinyl but currently no turntable.
Great episode, better than I remember, Steve had a real raw edge. Nice to see May instead of Jenny, May had a little playful sexyness going… and Steve kissed her on the cheek… maybe that’s why she had to go! Jenny was all business.
Boston, MA USA - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 at 08:17:54 (PDT)
But there are several romantic scenes he didn't do too bad like in "Walk like a Dragon" and "The Name of the Game is kill"
Berlin, - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 at 05:55:46 (PDT)
Regarding the comment that J. Lord didn't have major love scenes because he wanted to be true to his wife, well, that might be true. It also might be true that the guy understood his range as an actor and recognized that romantic scenes were not his forte. He's great as the tough, committed cop, the fearless detective, the leader, the delegator, the guy who can face down Wo Fat and engage in an entertaining verbal exchange, not as stellar as a romantic figure, this is apparent from the few scenes where we actually do see him making time with some female costar. No harm in admitting that "the Lord" actually possessed a few flaws.
Columbus, OH USA - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 at 05:07:47 (PDT)
Okay, after a lot of consideration here are my favorites:
1: Pray love remember
2: Singapore File
3: Trouble in Mind
4: Highest castle, deepest grave
5: "V" for Vashon: The Patriarch
6: Death with Father
7: How to steal a Masterpiece
8: Wooden model of a Rat
9: Nine Dragons
10:The Cop on the Cover
11:Number One with the Bullet
12:Woe to Wo Fat
There are some others close behind. It often depends on my mood ;-)
Recently I watched "We hang our Own". I recognized the outstanding score for the first time. Also it reminded me how nice a warm rainy day in Hawai'i can be and I was wishing for "smell TV" ;-)
Berlin, - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 at 00:53:08 (PDT)
Leo, until today I also was unaware that he had passed away. I was surprised to see that he was 79. I would have thought he was younger.
Newport Beach, CA USA - Tuesday, July 06, 2010 at 20:28:32 (PDT)
From Tim Ryan's Reel Hawaii, posted June 28th.
The trailer opens at Kualoa Ranch with a Stryker Force heading deep into the valley with massive explosions and vehicles flipping. But Kualoa isn’t Kualoa in the scene it’s Pohang, South Korea; the execution of Steve McGarrett’s father by terrorists; the entire cast is introduced in various scenes; North Shore scenes; Waikiki, surfing; Windward Oahu. There are very quick shots reminiscent of the original Five-0 opening: Waikiki overview; fire dancer, King Kamehameha statue; and a variation of the original theme music. Plenty of banter between characters and fighting and shooting, including a “Book ‘em Danno” line…
The review by James Hibberd which follows (quoted on the above site) is from The Hollywood Reporter on June 2nd.
"'Hawaii Five-O' is great," I texted a friend mid-way through watching CBS' rough-cut pilot screener.
"No way," she texted back. "No way."
"Not 'Lost'-great, not 'Sopranos'-great," I clarified. "CBS-great."
"CBS-great" is its own brand of mostly not-great but often pretty good barn-broad broadcast programming. And "Hawaii Five-O" does what CBS needs: Like "The Mentalist" a couple years back, "Hawaii" evolves the police procedural by a few degrees in a new direction -- just enough to feel fresh, but otherwise highly familiar (full trailer below).
What's interesting about the pilot of this police drama is that only one scene takes place inside a police station, and that comes at the very end. Otherwise, "Hawaii" is set in jungles and beaches and scenic highways and seedy apartments. Hopefully, it's those sort of places where the series will spend most of its time. (It costs more to shoot on location, but it's worth it).
The cast is attractive (duh) and likable. Alex O'Loughlin cannot pull off some emotional heavy lifting that's required of him in the pilot's first act, coming off as merely sulky. His new partner, a wildly gesticulating Scott Caan, turns his role into a scene stealer. Their bromance is the best part of the pilot and thank goodness for it -- if this relationship didn't work, neither would the show. Daniel Dae Kim is here, having strolled over from the set of "Lost," and doesn't make much of an impression in the pilot. "Battlestar" vet Grace Park is also present and somewhat ridiculous as a tough, brawling police cadet who looks maybe 97 pounds when soaking wet -- which, as it so happens, is how we're introduced to her. The pilot has Park in her bikini and she's later ordered to strip to her underwear, while O'Loughlin has one shirt-changing scene -- is this social progress or a roll-back or just to be expected? I don't know, but I wanted to urge Park to eat a heavy dinner at Olive Garden.
Otherwise, there's a lot of gunfire, gorgeous scenery, impatient direction and snappy editing.
If "Hawaii Five-O" doesn't work on CBS, a network where "NCIS" draws 19 million viewers a week, I'll be amazed.
Vancouver, BC - Tuesday, July 06, 2010 at 20:20:40 (PDT)
I'm pretty sure McG "sealed the deal" in Thanks for the Honeymoon. In fact, that's one of the rare episodes where he seems out of character, more interesting in rekindling the flame with his ex than protecting the witnesses, and look at the result. Maybe that deterred him from "sealing the deal" ever again, at least until the case was over.
Columbus, OH USA - Tuesday, July 06, 2010 at 20:08:01 (PDT)
Rick in Newport Beach..
After you talked about Warren Vanders I went to Google to find out what he looked like..
And I did...
However I clicked on his name link on Imdb ( http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0888845/ ) and sadly found out that he had died on November 27 2009 at age 79..
Fantastic Character Actor he was...
Philadelphia, PA USA - Tuesday, July 06, 2010 at 19:46:48 (PDT)
OK, sports fans, I am testing out a new Guestbook format. This is NOT for discussing Five-O. If you post stuff about Five-O there, your words of wisdom will not be transported over to this Guestbook. See the explanation here:
Vancouver, BC - Tuesday, July 06, 2010 at 19:28:37 (PDT)
If you live in Hawaii and want to be an extra on the new Five-O, this page may be helpful:
Vancouver, BC - Tuesday, July 06, 2010 at 18:57:25 (PDT)
"I watched a couple episodes from Season 1 over the weekend. One thing that jumped out was the lack of variety in the music." - For some reason I really like the early music - maybe because almost all of it was by the master Morton Stevens. There's this one piece of music which is kind of low-key but very catchy - it has this strange, mysterious, a bit tropical-sounding, a bit playful, a bit suspicious sound to it. Oh heck, I don't know how to explain it. For example it plays in "Strangers in Our Own Land" as McGarrett is driving through an alleyway to Tommy Kapali's house to speak to his mother (played by Hilo Hattie). It's this really catchy Morton Stevens tune which was used quite extensively in the 1st season and which I don't think we heard past the 2nd or 3rd season. I call it the "early Five-0 music". Of course later we got great stuff from Richard Shores and Don Ray as well. But there is something very nostalgic about those early Morton Stevens themes that really established the sound of the show.
Philadelphia, PA USA - Tuesday, July 06, 2010 at 16:42:49 (PDT)
Forgot a couple of my favorites:
"Singapore File" (I love the music at the end. Mike, do you have that music as one of you clips?), & the one called either "Gun for McGarrett or "Bullet for McGarrett" (I get these two confused). An English mobster comes to Oahu to take over the gangs. A young lady named Marnie is the English guy's "gun". McGarrett kinda falls for Marnie but not really...deep down he is suspicious that she "asks too many questions". Awesome episode. McGarrett stayed one step ahead of this lady and her plans.
LOL at whoever said too bad McGarrett never sealed the deal. Too funny!
Midwest, MO USA - Tuesday, July 06, 2010 at 15:26:54 (PDT)
Great story on Jack, H5O 1.0.
“I've wondered if there were production decisions based on budget issues. Such as "We Hang Our Own" cost 'that much' so we need to shoot "The Hostage" at a cost of only 'this much'”
I’ve thought the same thing Rick, and also in regards to using stock footage. Like the 2 door car that was only used in the pilot yet made it’s way into the 7th (?) season. Couldn’t they have reshot the 4 door pulling out of the parking lot and driving up and down the street? Did it save that much money? Or was it all an inside joke?
I watched a couple episodes from Season 1 over the weekend. One thing that jumped out was the lack of variety in the music. I mean there are some great pieces but they are used over and over.
Boston, MA USA - Tuesday, July 06, 2010 at 12:52:28 (PDT)
The Skyline Killer was a good episode. The spirit is willie was a good episode. Sad that the kind of entertaining TV produced for escapism, has now been displaced.
MR, MIKE thanks - Tuesday, July 06, 2010 at 12:48:56 (PDT)
Yes, Big H, I like McGarrett's romantic side - and he had one, even when he was trying to be cool. Actually, his romantic side came across better when he was trying to be cool than it did when he was trying to be romantic. Even though I liked him in Season 9's "Man in a Steel Frame," I thought some of the scenes with his romantic interest (Cathi Ryan portrayed by Camilla Sparv) were syrupy - yucky syrupy. For comparison, look at Season 8's "Sing a Song of Suspense," where he's trying to play it cool - strictly a cop protecting Chelsea Merriman - while she's ribbing him at every turn. ROFL. I love it!
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Tuesday, July 06, 2010 at 12:12:16 (PDT)
"Some of my least favorite episodes from the early seasons were those that were stuck in one place like King of the Hill, Candy and a Gun That Shoots, Little Girl Blue and the Box (although the Box was far better than the others)"
...We're agreed, and I would add "The Hostage" to that list. Another stuck-in-one-place episode "Good Night Baby, Time To Die" would be an exception, IMHO it is excellent.
I've wondered if there were production decisions based on budget issues. Such as "We Hang Our Own" cost 'that much' so we need to shoot "The Hostage" at a cost of only 'this much'.
Newport Beach, CA USA - Tuesday, July 06, 2010 at 12:08:27 (PDT)
Yes, Hans. That's "Singapore File." Jack Lord and Marj Dusay, who portrayed Nicole Wylie, clicked beautifully. We saw a hint of their clicking in Season 1's "Twenty-Four Carat Kill." At the very end, when he walks up to her and asks if she's alright. She nods, even though seems badly shaken. For a few seconds, you see the same closeness / clicking that we saw on the outtakes between Jack and Melveen Leed that Mike posted last week. It just worked. So, it was a joy that Ms. Dusay returned for "Singapore File". Similarly, Ms. Leed returned for other episodes.
As for why they didn't let Steve McGarrett "seal the deal," the word is it had to do with Jack's desire not to become too amorous with his guest stars. He was true blue to his wife, Marie. Some sources feel that his reticence kept him from becoming a BIG star. He simply wouldn't do the romantic bit.
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Tuesday, July 06, 2010 at 12:06:08 (PDT)
Was Singapore File the episode where Steve and a woman are on a boat in bunkbeds and Steve says, "another time... another place"? that was a great one.
Couldn't they have let Steve seal the deal once in 12 years? I don't recall it every happening...
Boston, MA USA - Tuesday, July 06, 2010 at 11:25:05 (PDT)
The best seasons for me were 3, 4, 5 and 6. The first couple of seasons had some great episodes but also a lot of filler. 7 and 8 are still good. I haven’t seen 9 – 12 in some time but I recall season 10 was terrible compared to 9 and 11 while season 12 was in a league of it’s own…
Some of my least favorite episodes from the early seasons were those that were stuck in one place like King of the Hill, Candy and a Gun That Shoots, Little Girl Blue and the Box (although the Box was far better than the others) .
I do like the episodes like Deathwatch where 5-O has to keep a key witness alive the day before a trial. There were several of these episodes and I recall they were all good ones…
Boston, MA USA - Tuesday, July 06, 2010 at 11:19:45 (PDT)
Interesting picks, H50 1.0 F, but I have just a few seasons to add before I can compile one of my own. You are sooooo predictable though.....I would have bet MY LIFE, MY LIFE that you would choose Singapore File over Thousand Pardons as the best season 2 eppie....you always loved that romantic side of McG. I do admit the closing scene in Singapore with the music slowly reaching a crescendo is one of my favs too. We'll see if "Give-Him-a-Chance" Alex O can come remotely close to that....
Raleigh, NC USA - Tuesday, July 06, 2010 at 11:03:08 (PDT)
I just watched "Paniolo" (Season 3). Don B. Ray's music is absolutely captivating, especially at the end, after Frank dies. A long segment of the "Memories" theme is heard, too, while Hody tells McGarrett and Chief Kuboda what happened. Truly beautiful music.
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Tuesday, July 06, 2010 at 10:56:11 (PDT)
Wow, H50 1.0 FOREVER! I can't believe season 11 is your third favorite season! You're definitely in the minority there. Me personally - I still can't make up my mind about the first 6 seasons - they're all EVEN STEVEN (hehe) for me. But in defense of season 11... "The Skyline Killer", "A Distant Thunder", and "The Spirit is Willie" are personal childhood favorites of mine!
Philadelphia, PA USA - Tuesday, July 06, 2010 at 10:20:53 (PDT)
Thanks Mr. Mike for "re-booting" the guestbook and your personal replies...
nice , to be back! - Tuesday, July 06, 2010 at 09:31:22 (PDT)
Here is a link from YouTube of a rare syndication reel prepared by Viacom for television stations. The reel shows highlights from many different episodes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGvq0deOqUc
Seal Beach, CA USA - Tuesday, July 06, 2010 at 09:23:14 (PDT)
Re: "The Payoff' ...Warren Vanders' (Stage Name) ex-wife and son lived across the street from me back in the late 60's to early 70's. He would come and visit his son and throw the football around with all of us kids on the block. He had been fairly active as character actor on TV at that time and we all got a big charge out of his visits.
Newport Beach, CA USA - Tuesday, July 06, 2010 at 08:37:04 (PDT)
Another third season show worth checking out (or rechecking) is The Payoff:
Another one of those episodes that makes you say "Holy crap, what a great show Five-O was!"
Vancouver, BC - Tuesday, July 06, 2010 at 08:13:34 (PDT)
Since we're discussing 10,000 Diamonds, here's a little bit of trivia for everybody. I used to work in the building they used to film the elevator scenes. I didn't work there at the time of filming (Five-0 was in reruns by the time I moved to Oahu). The lobby they used is located in what was then the Bishop Corporate Center and is now the Topa Financial Center. There are actually two buildings, with identical lobbies, so I don't know which of the two they used. The building are located between Fort Street and Bishop Street, just across Nimitz Highway from the Aloha Tower. Here's a Web site showing them:
curator, James MacArthur Web site
- Tuesday, July 06, 2010 at 07:45:59 (PDT)
Well, I've been trying to generate my list of favorite episodes, but I have three or four favorites for each season and am having a terrible time trying to single out one special episode. So, don't hold me to this list. It can change the very next time I watch an episode. LOL
Season 1 – Once Upon a Time
Runners-up – Strangers in Our Own Land, The Ways of Love, Pray Love Remember
Season 2 – Singapore File
Runners-up – Forty Feet High and It Kills, All the King’s Horses, Blind Tiger, Cry Lie
Season 3* – Over Fifty? Steal
Runners-up – FOB Honolulu, Ten Thousand Diamonds and a Heart , The Bomber and Mrs. Moroney
* My favorite season
Season 4 – The Ninety-Second War
Runners-Up – 3,000 Crooked Miles to Honolulu, Rest in Peace, Somebody
Season 5 – Death is a Company Policy
Runners-Up – V for Vashon, Will the Real Mr. Winkler Please Die
Season 6 – The Flip Side is Death
Runners-Up – Killer at Sea, Hookman
Season 7 – How to Steal a Masterpiece
Runners-Up – Bones of Contention, Ring of Life, 6,000 Deadly Tickets
Season 8** – Sing a Song of Suspense
Runners-Up – Death’s Name is Sam, Honor is an Unmarked Grave, Wooden Model of a Rat, Loose Ends Get Hit
** My 2nd-favorite season
Season 9 – Man in a Steel Frame
Runners-Up – Nine Dragons, Elegy in a Rain Forest
Season 10 – The Cop on the Cover
Runners-Up – Descent of the Torches, Frozen Assets, A Death in the Family
Season 11*** – The Case Against Philip Christie
Runners-Up – Number One With a Bullet, The Meighan Conspiracy, the Spirit is Willie
*** My 3rd-favorite season
Season 12 – Woe to Wo Fat
Runners-Up - Who Says Cops Don’t Cry?, Though the Heavens Fall
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My heart is in, HI - Tuesday, July 06, 2010 at 06:45:14 (PDT)
Recently I am revisiting some of the season three shows, including Ten Thousand Diamonds and a Heart, which I found to be much better than the last time I saw it many years ago -- in fact, one of the best third season shows: http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/5-0log3.htm#64.
There are a couple of questions that I can't answer, though:
1) Is Beau Van Den Ecker the driver of the getaway car at the beginning? You can't see his face clearly.
2) The access card that Potter uses to gain entrance to the diamond exchange has Room, Rate and Clerk on it, which sounds like one of those credit-card-like cards used for keyless entry in a hotel (though it sort of defeats that purpose if it has the room number on it!). When did these types of cards first start being used?
Vancouver, BC - Tuesday, July 06, 2010 at 06:13:50 (PDT)
1) Yesterday Died and Tomorrow Won't Be Born
2) Forty Feet High and It Kills!
3) Ten Thousand Diamonds and a Heart
4) Cloth of Gold
6) One Big Happy Family
7) A Gun for McGarrett
8) Honor is an Unmarked Grave
9) Nine Dragons
10) Descent of the Torches
11) Number One With A Bullet
12) A Lion In The Streets
Season 3 was the toughest to choose as it had so many great episodes like Trouble in Mind and Over 50 Steal that would be tops in most other seasons.
Boston, MA USA - Tuesday, July 06, 2010 at 06:00:08 (PDT)
For what it’s worth, here are my favorites:
1: *King of the Hill
2: *Blind Tiger
3: *Over Fifty? Steal (hilarious!)
4: *3000 Crooked Miles to Honolulu
(“Aloha. Aloha, suckers!”)
5: My favorite season
*The Child Stealers
*Thanks for the Honeymoon
*Little Girl Blue
*Vashon (all 3)
6: I don’t have a favorite for this season. ???
7: Two Favorites
*The Young Assassins
8: Two Favorites
*McGarrett is Missing
*A Case Against McGarrett
Midwest, MO USA - Tuesday, July 06, 2010 at 05:47:16 (PDT)
Submitted for your (dis)approval, my top episode for each of the eight on DVD seasons:
1) Once upon a Time
2) A Thousand Pardons--You're Dead!
3) Ten Thousand Diamonds and a Heart
4) No Bodies, No Cans, No People
5) The Jinn who Clears the Way
6) Death with Father
7) The Computer Killer
8) Murder--Eyes Only
"A Thousand Pardons" is my favorite episode of the entire series, but "No Bodies, No Cans..." and "Death with Father" are right behind it.
Miami, FL USA - Tuesday, July 06, 2010 at 04:30:05 (PDT)
"Though I seem to recall a poster who picked 'Journey Out Of Limbo' as their S5 favorite." - it's funny you should mention this one. I was actually struggling between '"V" for Vashon: The Father' and 'Journey Out of Limbo' as my season 5 favorite. But then I kicked myself... what's wrong with me? LOL. How can I even consider something other than a Vashon episode here? But 'Limbo' is definitely a favorite of mine. Along with 'The Listener', 'Thanks for the Honeymoon', 'Will the Real Mr. Winkler Please Die?', 'Here Today.. Gone Tonight', 'Death is a Company Policy', 'I'm a Family Crook - Don't Shoot'.
Philadelphia, PA USA - Monday, July 05, 2010 at 20:25:41 (PDT)
Looks like there is an accord with season 5 so far. Though I seem to recall a poster who picked 'Journey Out Of Limbo' as their S5 favorite.
I agree both with Chris' assessment of Five-0's personality change in S4, as well as ringfire's citing All In The Family as the trail blazer for bringing previously untouchable subjects to TV shows.
I am one of those who believe most of the better Five-0 episodes are front loaded into seasons 1-6. Not that I don't like the heavier subject matter that came along later. 'A Distant Thunder' from season 11 is one of my favorites. I just think seasons 1-6 are superior in terms of the number of quality episodes per season.
Newport Beach, CA USA - Monday, July 05, 2010 at 19:19:33 (PDT)
I'll give you my faves for the first eight seasons, I'm not familiar enough with the next four to come up with any.
1. Once Upon a Time
2. The Joker's Wild, Man, Wild
3. Trouble in Mind
4. Cloth of Gold
5. V for Vashon(the trilogy...sorry, can't pick just one)
6. One Big Happy Family
7. Bones of Contention
8. A Touch of Guilt
Columbus, OH USA - Monday, July 05, 2010 at 18:19:51 (PDT)
I mean yeah you look at the first 3 seasons and you still have that "sanitized" feel to the show. And it still feels a bit 60s-ish. Especially its various espionage and heist/caper episodes - remind you of 60s stuff like MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE. But with season 4 all of a sudden there's this strong 70s feel to it. And very "unsanitized". Gone for the most part are the capers and spy stuff and all of a sudden it's all more urban, more seedy, more crime-oriented. More gritty. ALL IN THE FAMILY is the obvious explanation. Fun stuff like BEVERLY HILLBILLIES and BEWITCHED is on its way out and topical stuff like M*A*S*H, GOOD TIMES, MAUDE, etc. is on its way in.
Philadelphia, PA USA - Monday, July 05, 2010 at 17:52:49 (PDT)
Y'all are picking out some good favorites, including some I might have missed on first pass but really like; e.g., "Though the Heavens Fall" (Season 12). It's interesting: Some episodes are favorites, but I really couldn't tell you why. They touch me, whether they are particularly outstanding or not.
Ringfire, I think you're right about the influence of "All in the Family," although I had not thought about that, too. Yes, it definitely was the turning point, and Five-0 did pick up on the new freedoms.
H50 1.0 FOREVER
My heart is in, HI - Monday, July 05, 2010 at 17:22:05 (PDT)
BTW, the DVD promo and #1 W/ Bullet outtakes are top shelf!
Ten Thousand Diamonds and a Heart was just mentioned, that might be my favorite from season 3. The plan was brilliant. It was the one show which I wish the bad guys got away with it…
I too like the more sleazy themes of the early- mid seasons… great point about All In The Family, it broke the door down, everything got deeper, more real…
Boston, MA USA - Monday, July 05, 2010 at 16:22:18 (PDT)
That makes a lot of sense, Ringfire. I still enjoy watching All in the Family from time to time, and it really is amazing the stuff they were able to get away with. I never thought of it in terms of its relation to the "sleazening" of Hawaii Five-O, but I'm sure that was a big factor. Both shows were on CBS, I believe.
Columbus, OH USA - Monday, July 05, 2010 at 16:14:27 (PDT)
Chris, as far as TV becoming more permissive during Five-0's 4th season, you have one show to thank for that - ALL IN THE FAMILY! The show that dared to address everything that was taboo at the time! It changed the face of television forever! The show premiered sometime in the spring of 1971 (that would be the 70-71 season) during the final stretch of Five-0's third season. Therefore the show's first full season was the 71-72 season - Five-0's fourth season! Basically the few episodes of ALL IN THE FAMILY that aired in the spring of 1971 became such a hit that by the fall of 1971 everyone was jumping on the bandwagon and getting more topical and racy. SANFORD & SON also premiered in the fall of 1971. There really is a huge difference when you compare season 3 of Five-0 with season 4. Season 4 gave us topics of rape, impotence, trans-gender, porn, etc.
Philadelphia, PA USA - Monday, July 05, 2010 at 15:33:52 (PDT)
My "Best Of" for each season would be:
1) The Box - dir. Seymour Robbie
2) A Bullet for McGarrett - dir. Paul Stanley
3) Over Fifty? Steal - dir. Bob Sweeney
4) Rest in Peace... Somebody - dir. Paul Stanley
5) "V" for Vashon: The Father - dir. Charles Dubin
6) Hookman - dir. Allen Reisner
7) I'll Kill 'Em Again - dir. Charles Dubin
8) McGarrett is Missing - dir. Bruce Bilson
9) Target - A Cop - dir. Robert Scheerer
10) Tsunami - dir. Harvey Laidman
11) The Skyline Killer - dir. Beau Van Den Ecker
12) Though the Heavens Fall - dir. Harry F. Hogan III
Philadelphia, PA USA - Monday, July 05, 2010 at 15:21:52 (PDT)
Good to have the guest page back, and Kimo-free to boot. I love Cloth of Gold, consider it my favorite episode, and the sleaze factor is a big reason why. Season four definitely upped the sleaze quotient, the violence as well I believe, television must have been undergoing a major transition that year in terms of permissiveness. Seasons four and six are probably the most "adult" in the show's history, at least in terms of violence and lurid overtones. They are probably my two favorite seasons overall(I'll give six a slight edge), not for that reason alone but it's certainly a major factor.
Columbus, OH USA - Monday, July 05, 2010 at 15:18:48 (PDT)
“Danno probably had almost as many women as McGarrett, and he got to take his shirt off more often. How come all these people complaining about shirtlessness in the new series aren't put off by J. MacArthur running around in his swimming trunks”
Danno was the playboy of the group… I recently watched Cloth of Gold, my fav from Season 4. That was a pretty racy episode, you had these 2 girls (in bikinis!) hanging on one guy at the same time and then the Wallis character explains to Danno about the camera in front of the bed… how Mingo liked to er... ahm... “watch” because he “didn't like to be touched”… not exactly family TV!
A fine music score in Cloth of Gold, I especially like the piece when Akamai is out on the boat before the dive…
Boston, MA USA - Monday, July 05, 2010 at 14:54:57 (PDT)
Here's my 'Best Of' each season. Fortunately, I'm open to criticism:
1. And They Painted Daisies On His Coffin
2. Just Lucky I Guess
3. F.O.B. Honolulu I,II
4. The Ninety Second War I,II
5. Vashon I,II,III
7. How To Steal A Masterpiece
8. Murder Eyes Only
9. Nine Dragons
10.Up The Rebels
11.Number One With A Bullet I,II
12.A Lion In The Streets
Newport Beach, CA USA - Monday, July 05, 2010 at 14:24:30 (PDT)
Posted by Brian Jones:
"I really hope we get Hawaii five 0 in the UK it's great watching all the old series but it will be great to get some new episodes I just hope they have not changed it to much."
Bravo have picked up the new Hawaii Five-O show for screening in the UK.
United Kingdom - Monday, July 05, 2010 at 13:49:06 (PDT)
McGarrett did catch Wo Fat in the last episode ... sort of. You see him locking Wo Fat in a jail cell. (Wo Fat is wearing stereotypical "striped pyjamas" prison garb.) But at the very end of the show, you see Wo Fat pull what appears to be a file out of his shoe ... so he may not be jail very long.
Vancouver, BC - Monday, July 05, 2010 at 13:00:55 (PDT)
THERE WERE SOME PROBLEMS WITH THE GUESTBOOK THIS MORNING -- THESE HAVE BEEN RESOLVED. SO CARRY ON READING AND POSTING...
Vancouver, BC - Monday, July 05, 2010 at 13:22:56 (PDT)
“You all hate everything and you act like Jack was some kind of God. He was an actor who did a job and was lucky there was so little competition on TV in those days. Shows got a lot of time to develop followings. These poor actors today have to make a splash quickly and beat out hundreds of channels and the internet and people choosing to watch DVDs or the shows online.”
Get Real in LA, you make some valid points but on the flip side, pre cable era with only 3 network TV channels back then the competition was much stiffer for an actor to break through. Music was the same way, back then we had far less popular acts but the best of them were truly exceptional. Today, there is much more good music available but for some reason not nearly as much great music. Same with TV.
“I watched H50 back in a day and I liked it. I just watched a few episodes online and I found it to be completely boring, slow moving, and predictable now”
Might be predictable because you’ve seen the shows already. Many times I was tripped up by who the criminal turned out to be. I realize it’s a snooze for some compared to modern standards, but there is a romance to the old shows that can never come back. The combo of the star, cast, local actors, guest stars, scenery and the fantastic music scores keeps me coming back all these years later.
Boston, MA USA - Monday, July 05, 2010 at 06:54:08 (PDT)
I wasn't going to give you the satisfaction of a reply, but I took offense to your "sleazy lifestyle" comment directed at me.
Excuse me?!? How dare you, Kimo! You don't know me! Just because I don't mind "dirty" computer acronyms doesn't mean I'm sleazy. Actually your remark is kind of humorous considering...
...I'm a Midwestern-stay-at-home-mother and Christian (yes Christians know what WTF means and they aren't going to lose sleep over it). I've never done anything sleazy in my life. You treat me though I just crawled out of a gutter. That is unfair and so off-base. You made totally unwarranted assumptions. I'll have you know that I've never even said "WTF" outloud in my life, EVER!
You're very wrong about me, Kimo. How dare you judge me!
Look, the last time I checked, Freedom of Speech is still in effect. So I was giving my opinion on the "WTF" situation...actually I was trying to be funny about the whole thing. I have just as much right to put comments here as you. And I wasn't using the acronym (I never will!); I was simply replying to a couple other posts. Try to get over it.
I discovered this "Guestbook" just last week and started posting. I thought this would a fun place to share comments about anything and everything. I thought wrong.
Midwest , MO US - Monday, July 05, 2010 at 06:11:44 (PDT)
--> You may be right, Rick, besides, intentionally leaving that kind of evidence behind might have been a little too chancy, especially for someone like Orwell. As for the promos for the new show, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they turn up on disc one of season nine, which is being released in a little less than a month(yea!), shortly before the show premieres. And, Kimo...um, lighten up. Some of the language you use in your posts isn't necessarily profane, but it is pretty insulting. You're hardly the person to be lecturing others on civility, my friend.
Columbus, OH USA - Monday, July 05, 2010 at 03:35:23 (PDT)
I really hope we get Hawaii five 0 in the UK it's great watching all the old series but it will be great to get some new episodes I just hope they have not changed it to much.
Norwich, United Kingdom - Monday, July 05, 2010 at 03:02:09 (PDT)
Where would that new Five-0 promo be used? No way they're gonna run TV commercials. Do they still run ads in DVD rentals for upcoming releases? Maybe there? I wouldn't know, I haven't rented one in years.
Also, did I hear the voice-over say ALL episodes have been remastered? By 'all' do they mean all episodes that have been released? Or do they mean 'all' as in all of the episodes? I got the impression this promo was for the entire Five-0 library. Or maybe that's just what I wanted to hear.
Newport Beach, CA USA - Sunday, July 04, 2010 at 21:08:35 (PDT)
Chris, it seems to me that Orwell's reaction was one of genuine surprise when he realized he did not have his nitro pills. The checking of his coat pocket, the expression on his face. Could that have been been an act to keep his accomplices from suspecting they were being set up? It's possible. That's some fairly complex subtlety. But it's possible.
Newport Beach, CA USA - Sunday, July 04, 2010 at 20:16:43 (PDT)
I just rewatched the classic third season ep Ten Thousand Diamonds and a Heart, and something occurred to me that never had before. I wonder if Orwell deliberately plants the vial of nitro glycerine in the getaway car at the beginning, hoping that McGarrett will figure out the heart attack scheme and catch the other criminals after they switch cars. He seems too meticulous to leave evidence that important behind accidentally, besides, he notices that the bottle is missing right after lecturing his partners about NOT leaving anything behind. Maybe that whole speech is Orwell's way of being ironic, clever, knowing that he himself has intentionally left a piece of evidence for McGarrett to find. Any thoughts on this?
Columbus, OH USA - Sunday, July 04, 2010 at 19:11:25 (PDT)
I can't remember....did McGarrett ever catch Wo Fat in the end? I know Wo Fat kept getting away (barely) throughout the series.
Midwest, MO USA - Sunday, July 04, 2010 at 15:55:19 (PDT)
Terry and KD...Now, children, let's all behave ourselves, shall we? LOL!
Personally I don't care how any one "talks" on here. It's called Freedom of Speech. And furthermore "WTF" and other acronyms are acceptable "computer language" known around the world...we don't see the actual "offensive" words. I'm sorry but even if I actually saw the F-word, so what? It's not like I haven't seen it before.
Midwest, MO USA - Sunday, July 04, 2010 at 15:40:25 (PDT)
Sam Melville got his start in films in 1966 under the name of Neville Coward in a laughably bad soft-core porn movie called A Smell of Honey, a Swallow of Brine. In this film, his character, Lowell Carter, takes a job as comptroller in a company where a woman, Stacey Walker (Sharon Winters) also works. She likes to go out with men and lead them on to the point of almost "going all the way," then screaming rape. The two of them date, and Carter starts to fantasize about his new girl friend, including a bizarre sadomaschistic sequence. They finally get to the point of "doing it" and Stacey starts yelling, but Sam rushes out of her apartment, saying he is going to find "a real woman." After wandering through the city, he grabs some woman about to enter her apartment, drags her inside and is about to have his way with her when her husband suddenly appears and shoots Carter dead! Melville went on to bigger and better things besides Five-O, including The Rookies, where he played Mike Danko, plus Gunsmoke, Dallas, Scarecrow and Mrs. King and many other TV shows. He died of heart failure at age 52 in 1989. There are a few shots from his first film here.
Vancouver, BC - Sunday, July 04, 2010 at 13:44:38 (PDT)
Listen to this clip from the sixth season show "Tricks Are Not Treats," which occurs just after 12:43 on the DVD.
The subtitles say the dialog goes like this:
"Y'all remember that time that harlot said she wants a ... [conversation continues about how she wants $50 for a new dress]."
But they do not say the word "harlot." It sounds like they say "that [something] bitch."
Can anyone figure out what is said?
Vancouver, BC - Sunday, July 04, 2010 at 12:24:11 (PDT)
Power of suggestion... reading recent posts, so I checked 'Tiger By The Tail' again ...what a great episode. Watching Sam Melville's character morph from friend to full-on kidnap & kill criminal. He gets darker and darker as the reality of a $500K score gets closer and closer. Fantastic to watch. An excellent performance from Melville.
Newport Beach, CA USA - Sunday, July 04, 2010 at 11:30:02 (PDT)
Terry-i have no need to google it-i know what this means along with WTF, BRB etc. Your usage was very unwarranted, but it seems that you feel very strongly about this-well so do i-impasse! And, i don't resort to gutter language just to make my point. i guess that is what happens when you have a serious dearth of words and have to resort to such. You may incessantly carry on-from this point on i will ignore you.
Yes, i mentioned Daniel Dae Kim purely because i would like to know what he meant by "descendants" of the original. The time line doesn't make sense. Oh, i feel Daniel Dae Kim also shines in this one.
So who cares! - Sunday, July 04, 2010 at 09:07:11 (PDT)
how did you create the highlighted links on your site?
By manually editing the page after the comments are made...
BTW, I guess most of our Yank contributors were "party hardy'ing" last night!
Vancouver, BC - Sunday, July 04, 2010 at 07:06:23 (PDT)
@Mr. Mike...thanx for corroborating what I always suspected about IMDB, Wikipedia, and these other unsubstantiated sources. I was just sick and tired of seeing every reference to Elizabeth Logue prefaced by speculative nonsense like this: http://tinyurl.com/33e83sy (scroll it a bit down)
btw...how did you create the highlighted links on your site, so that folks don't have to copy and paste as they do with the ones I have posted?
Portsmouth, NH USA - Sunday, July 04, 2010 at 03:07:14 (PDT)
Can you think about the new Five-O team trying to do something as inane as in the original series' show "The Bark and the Bite," where they are asked by the Governor to babysit the daughter of a woman whose mother was the Governor's close friend (and her yappy dog)? In the new show, the dog would probably be blown up with a Jerry Bruckheimer-type explosion!
Vancouver, BC - Saturday, July 03, 2010 at 23:31:39 (PDT)
The comments in this thread at IMDB are pretty funny...
Vancouver, BC - Saturday, July 03, 2010 at 23:18:46 (PDT)
KD, ever hear of this amazing thing called "Google"? Look up FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU. You may have to knock off a few U's. You'll get the picture.
Beating a dead horse = saying the same thing OVER and OVER again.
Why do you think I am offended if you said something about "Alex"? You also mentioned Daniel Dae Kim too. Your obsession with O'Loughlin is sad.
Salt Lake City, UT USA - Saturday, July 03, 2010 at 22:58:22 (PDT)
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU,Terry (what the heck is that anyway?)and why the offense because i said something about Alex?
We all have the ability to voice our opinion. "Beating a dead horse?"you mean like the new show? My perspective is what it is and will remain-sorry. You have yours and i have mine.
I think there is more of a "tag team" as you so eloquently put it. Sorry, to each their own.
Hawaii, who cares - Saturday, July 03, 2010 at 22:32:45 (PDT)
I don't like yer comment! But I defend your right to speak your mind and convey your feelings about any show, old or new. Just be careful about telling the studios what they should or shouldn't do. Methinks a disappointment may be in your future, as the studios work for themselves and the advertisers, not people who diss the shows.
I'm not an Alex O. fan (short for fanatic). Never heard of the guy til all this brouhaha. But fans of Alex should be able to enjoy their idol without being subject to denigrating commentary. There are enough religions to go around. No one's right, no one's wrong. Everyone can worship their own Lord. Let them. Lest someone diss you and your Lord.
Lord of my , own darned domain, and no more. - Saturday, July 03, 2010 at 22:03:55 (PDT)
Well, I know some people won't like my comment, I am one of the negative ones, but no one can change the way I feel. The Original show and Jack Lord may not have been perfect , nothing is, but it was a classy show with a great story and talented actors. The new promo and the new McGarrett look so wrong to me, so don't expect me to give it a chance.And I would like to tell Alex O. that no matter what he says, he is not and he will never be McGarrett, at least for me. They should had gone with the son idea .Looks like the fans of Alex O. will watch anything he is in and say it is wonderful.Not me. I will only watch a show, with a great story and a talented cast.I don't see any of that in the remake.
- Saturday, July 03, 2010 at 21:25:03 (PDT)
"He almost offensively talks about the "coiffure""
I saw (or heard) nothing at all offensive in his reply. But I did find the brit twit's comment offensive as well as quite naive towards the legacy of Tele-Vision in general, as much of what we all watched in the 50's, 60's and 70's would be now labelled 'cheesy'. That's just the perception of a modern jaded public. But gimme cheesy any day. Heck, not too far in the future, the H50 reboot may be called chessy too, just you wait. (I also saw that interviewer do a hack job, as there are soooo many great questions one could ask Alex, et al. while there...)
I wanted to see that detective show shot here in 2004, become a success. Unfortunately we enjoyed just about 8 eps of it... Wanted to see our islands experience the varied immediate and long term effects and benefits a locally produced show would have. The sentiments for many of us here are the same now, for H50 redux. It may not be the same animal, and many here don't take it as something pretending to be. But if so, who cares one way or the other. Let some people enjoy growing success. Let others enjoy great entertainment. Please! "If thine eye offends thee, pluck it out. Or look the hell, away, dammit!" saith the Lord.
- Saturday, July 03, 2010 at 21:12:07 (PDT)
To quote Maurice Chevalier from "Gigi": "Ah yes, I remember that well..."
Vancouver, BC - Saturday, July 03, 2010 at 20:57:13 (PDT)
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU, KD McG, do you know the meaning of "beating a dead horse?"
People have been making fun of Jack Lord's hair for years. There is a video of Jay Leno somewhere around here making jokes about it. There was even a huge debate in a Usenet newsgroup years ago prompted by some woman named "Judith" as to whether Lord wore a wig.
As to the clip you posted, the interviewer is asking O'Loughlin STUPID QUESTIONS. What do you expect him to reply?
"I'm afraid I can't comment on that because there are some people on the Five-O Guestbook like KD McG and his friends who would be offended"?
Your tag team negative approach to the new show along with some otheres around here is REALLY getting tiresome.
Salt Lake City, UT USA - Saturday, July 03, 2010 at 20:40:52 (PDT)
Another outtake from Number One With A Bullet:
(Facebook membership not required to view.)
Vancouver, BC - Saturday, July 03, 2010 at 20:24:13 (PDT)
7 years-that is presumptuous to think the show will endure that long-they really think they have a winning formula.
In the link i sent earlier, Alex O' says it is not Jack Lord's MCG-my son MCG will always be Jack's mate.He almost offensively talks about the "coiffure"
Sorry,i am still unsure why Alex O' took on a risky role when he could have been doing something else like a new Macgyver or something..like you said, there are some great shows in that slot so this will really have to be solid.
Five-O was about deductive reasoning-and i just don't see that happening in this one.
I didn't understand Daniel Dae Kim's comments about "descendants of the original"-huh? This would mean they are related to the original as in "ohana" (see the front page of this website)How is that possible or do we again suspend logic?
As you say,switch on to something else-this is likely what i will be doing. And,guys please don't say to me "give it a chance!" i have already said i will watch the first couple of episodes,although Alex O' is not enough to keep me riveted to the screen-sorry he is not.
the @ before name, was my idea on this site! - Saturday, July 03, 2010 at 20:11:49 (PDT)
To Ray from Portsmouth, the IMDB is far from correct. For example, it has mixed up two Five-O character actors, Walter Yong and Walter P. Young.
The first actor was named Walter Yong. He appeared in The Child Stealers (Boat Owner), McGarrett is Missing (Storekeeper) and Anatomy of a Bribe (Joe Kimura).
The second actor was named Walter P. Young, Senior. He appeared in Not That Much Different (General) and The Late John Louisiana (title character).
You can see pictures of both these actors here in the order mentioned in the previous two sentences.
The IMDB has combined these two actors into one listing: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2045865/.
Last month there was some inquiry from someone who claimed to be the grandson of Walter P. Young posted in the Guestbook. I attempted to contact this person, but never heard anything back.
Vancouver, BC - Saturday, July 03, 2010 at 16:27:05 (PDT)
KD MCG, well said. It a great country we live in. We all have the option to change the channel this fall. NBC has a great new line up of shows and on Mondays @ 10 is The Chase. That looks really good. ABC has Castle and for the sports fans ESPN has Monday Night Football.
Knight Rider was here and gone so fast I never had an opportunity to catch an episode. I watched two episodes of The Bionic Woman and then it was gone pretty much after that. We know how we feel about certain shows and no one can change our minds. We are all entitled to feel how we feel. Come this fall we just need to switch channels.
Have a great day and Happy 4th of July.
USA - Saturday, July 03, 2010 at 15:16:22 (PDT)
CBS is trying to cash in on an iconic series-well, they have ordered 12 episodes initially to gauge reaction
The pilot plus the 12 is the standard 13 episode order that networks pick up prior to the first season of most shows. The back 9 is picked up later if the show is successful. Rarely is any new show given a full 22 episode order out of the gate, especially given the current TV climate. Nothing at all out of the ordinary.
What is out of the ordinary is that CBS has signed the actors to 7 year contracts. Five year, and in some cases 6, are the standard these days.
California, - Saturday, July 03, 2010 at 13:26:27 (PDT)
"it has the elegance and beauty of a priceless wok of ott.
it's a teevee show. but make no muh stake aboudit.
so just like fine ott...
like a classic wodeth tur
network tele vijuun"
"Aloha baby! I need you brudduz" Steve! Stop talking like that here!
"you thought Hawaii was gonna be one big fat juicy pineapple?" well everyone calls it paradise. Including the promo voice overs!
"So What usetuh look like this, now looks like this."
sorry no difference seen..
But good editing!
- Saturday, July 03, 2010 at 11:27:40 (PDT)
A little bit of trivia you may want to include from 'A Thousand Pardons--You're Dead. When McGarret pulls into the parking lot for Betsy's a sign can be seen for a used car dealership owned by Five 0 stock actor, Lippy Espinda.
Lantana, FL USA - Saturday, July 03, 2010 at 11:10:52 (PDT)
Yeah, the "diabolical" exchange was my favorite, too..."That's diabolical." "But nonetheless true." Takes you back to a time when people actually used the word diabolical...if that time ever existed. Great promo, although it's funny how it plays up McGarrett as romantic hero even though that aspect of the show was rarely explored after the pilot. Danno probably had almost as many women as McGarrett, and he got to take his shirt off more often. How come all these people complaining about shirtlessness in the new series aren't put off by J. MacArthur running around in his swimming trunks in episodes such as "A Thousand Pardons...You're Dead?"
Columbus, OH USA - Saturday, July 03, 2010 at 11:03:08 (PDT)
Hawaii, Five o - Saturday, July 03, 2010 at 09:43:42 (PDT)
@ Thomas Parnell and Big Chicken-well said. CBS is trying to cash in on an iconic series-well, they have ordered 12 episodes initially to gauge reaction--if the writing is staid and it fails to captivate, then not even the scenery will save this from a Knight Rider type demise; that show failed because they really did not maintain the integrity of the original and updated it ignoring an existing fan base. The Knight Rider pilot was very good, but the show dwindled by trying to be far too modern.
This was a show that for years i knew could not be re-made; yes, a continuation (Alex calls it this--ummm how so???)with a new team and homage to the original would.
Frankly, in many respects, probably going to be like every other show on TV as Thomas said.
well, said friends - Saturday, July 03, 2010 at 08:48:18 (PDT)
>>>That's diabolical!<<< ...I wonder where they would use that?
Newport Beach, CA USA - Saturday, July 03, 2010 at 08:38:54 (PDT)
For those of you saying that the classic Five-O is some tired cop show for old fuddy-duddies, check out this commercial ... maybe you'll understand why some of us like it:
Vancouver, BC - Saturday, July 03, 2010 at 08:05:05 (PDT)
Correction to previous post. My math was slightly off. If we assume dancer Elizabeth (Logue) Duggan, wife of actor Andrew Duggan, was correctly cited as being born in 1931, then the chronology of my cited references would make sense as follows:
1. Born 10 August, 1931
2. Life Magazine, 11 August, 1947, featured story on emerging talent for dancers destined for Broadway, Betty ANN Logue, from Flushing NY, 15 years old
3. Begins training at Professional Children's School, NY city, early 1949, age 17.
3. Her debut on Broadway, "Brigadoon", May 2, 1950, age 18, followed by several other productions during the early 1950s, including "New Faces."
5. During this time, she meets Andrew Duggan, and several sources claim they were married in 1954, not 1953, as I indicated earlier. She would then be approx. age 22-23, depending on the month when she married.
Porstmouth, NH USA - Saturday, July 03, 2010 at 08:00:47 (PDT)
'The Riddle of the Logue'
I am narrowing in on some more clues to get to the bottom of this mystery, and hopefully will try, in the very near future, to contact Richard Duggan, son of actor Andrew Duggan. I finally located one reference by Richard, who claimed his mother, Elizabeth Duggan, quit dancing professionally to RAISE a family, and passed away within a month of her husband, Andrew Duggan, in May/June 1988: http://tinyurl.com/35hvemx
Recall that Betty ANN (not LOUISE!) Logue (Haole), from Flushing NY, was age 15 in 1947 during the formative stages of her dancing career (see pages 63-66, and note also that there is little resemblance to any Chinese/Hawaiian/English heritage):http://tinyurl.com/35lz6rs
It was reported earlier that she later married Andrew in 1953, at about age 23, while dancing professionally on Broadway.
Notice in the above obituary info, from her son Richard, there is no reference whatsoever to the actress and model, Elizabeth LOUISE Malamalamaokalini White Logue. In the mid to late fifties, it is a fair assumption therefore, that Elizabeth Duggan was busy raising her 3 children, as her son Richard claimed. The article below surely suggests that she was a big time domestic homebody, circa late sixties, while in Southern California, still very active as a mother to her children: http://tinyurl.com/3yk4gc4
Meanwhile, OUR Elizabeth Logue (first husband Tahitian artist George Logue), of Hawaii Five O, was busy at the turn of the next decade and beyond, with many other career diversions, OTHER THAN raising a family:
1. Miss ROTC, Univ of Hawaii, 1959 (She would be 29, if this was Broadway dancer Elizabeth Logue (Duggan) -- Nope, I don't think so!)
2. Featured as 'Matae', Nude Odessey, 1961
3. Reservations Agent, Hawaiian Airlines
4. Cover model, Life Magazine, REPORTED AND PHOTO ILLUSTRATED AS A VERY BELIEVABLE AGE 24, Oct 8, 1965
5. Featured as the youthful child bride 'Noelani' in the movie, Hawaii, 1966.
6. Featured as one of the original poster girls for Hawaiian Visitor's Bureau, circa 1960s.
7. Appeared in opening sequence for Hawaii Five O, 1967
8. Dropped out of sight in early seventies, after brief marriage to Las Vegas real estate mogul.
If her son Richard stated that she dropped everything, including her dancing career, to raise a family, then the foregoing ambitions might seem a bit inconsistent with Richard Duggan's claims.
I still am very skeptical of the loose connection between these names, and strongly suspect that bad data got mixed up on IMDB, which has been primarily responsible for propagating the myth that Elizabeth Louise Malamalamaokalink White Logue passed away in 1988. She may indeed be deceased, since we have very little news of her today, however, if true, I conclude her obituary is not the same as that for dancer Elizabeth Duggan, wife of Andrew Duggan. Or, conversely, she may still be alive, which would make her about 69 today!
Portsmouth, NH USA - Friday, July 02, 2010 at 22:55:56 (PDT)
If Five-O was a "dead show," as 'get real' from L.A. claims, then we wouldn't be celebrating it here daily on Mr. Mike's site. And CBS wouldn't be going to such great lengths to resurrect and cash in on a name that's synonymous with one of the greatest cop shows in the annals of television.
During the show's 12-year run, Jack Lord’s portrayal made him a 70's cultural icon, and McGarrett, Danno and Chin became part of the popular mythology. Leonard Freeman and the actors, writers, directors and producers of Five-O left behind a body of work that still endures - in reruns, on DVD, in pop culture and in the public consciousness. And those in the Five-O community are legitimately upset that a bunch of empty suits at CBS and some hired gun producers would attempt to mess with what we cherish, “re-imagine” or “reboot” it however they please and expect us to tune in and lap it up.
It's obvious from the pilot script that the show is being 'redone' by those who have such little feel for what made the original so successful. I don't want to denigrate Alex or Scott and I’m sure there are other talented people associated with this new production. I would contend that their talents would be better spent on more worthy endeavors than scavenging off one of television’s truly iconic and legendary programs. Aloha!
Seattle, WA USA - Friday, July 02, 2010 at 21:43:02 (PDT)
This article has a longer version of the trailer for the pilot, plus revelation that it ain't Grace Park doing the surfing for her character:
Vancouver, BC - Friday, July 02, 2010 at 20:46:32 (PDT)
Here are the badge pictures:
Vancouver, BC - Friday, July 02, 2010 at 20:21:08 (PDT)
" It goes back to Scott Caan (in a fraction of a second) and he’s holding the wallet/I.D. differently…the gold shield is now on the right side. " -- LOL!! I guess it's like they said - they're doing everything in the spirit of the original! Hey, I think I might like this show now:-)
Philadelphia, PA USA - Friday, July 02, 2010 at 16:38:54 (PDT)
It's Kono, Mike, not Kona. [DUH -- you are right!! - MQ]
Midwest, MO USA - Friday, July 02, 2010 at 14:52:56 (PDT)
Has anyone noticed?…
When McGarrett and Danno meet each other for the first time in the new pilot (in McGarrett’s father’s house), Scott Caan holds up his badge/wallet. The gold shield is on the left side. Then it shows Alex O’Loughlin showing his credentials. It goes back to Scott Caan (in a fraction of a second) and he’s holding the wallet/I.D. differently…the gold shield is now on the right side.
Midwest, MO USA - Friday, July 02, 2010 at 14:49:01 (PDT)
That's how I'd understand it, that it is the same room. Because he wouldn't wait for the customer to be done but rather would've chosen another room, would he?
Berlin, - Friday, July 02, 2010 at 13:13:01 (PDT)
Watched "I'll Kill 'Em Again" last night - an old favorite of mine. I have a question about the end where Eddie tries to strangle the hooker. Are we to assume that Eddie not only picked the same hotel but also the same room where the hooker was murdered back in 1968? I guess that makes sense. How else could McGarreett know which door to break down, right? Although it just as easily could have been a different room. Like's Eddie's first victim - the judge's daughter - she was murdered in the same apartment complex but not in the same room as the original victim. I guess McGarrett got lucky in the end.
Philadelphia, PA USA - Friday, July 02, 2010 at 10:44:38 (PDT)
A long time ago I asked about the song "Ain't No Big Thing" in some Usenet newsgroup, and got a reply as follows:
The only variation I can see in the title is it might be "Ain't No Big T'ing," minus the "H" as in WT'H'!
Vancouver, BC - Friday, July 02, 2010 at 07:50:44 (PDT)
"Hawaii Five-O (the new one) to appear at San Diego Comic-Con this month!?!? WTF!!"
That was my reaction also. I thought Comic-Con was for science fiction shows. Apparently that's not the case. I found this list of shows going to be there and Hawaii Five O isn't the only WTF show there. Castle, Glee, Dexter, Burn Notice and others I never would have thought would be at Comic-Con will be there with Hawaii Five O. Maybe they should just change the name to TV Show-Con.
Here is a brief interview with the construction manager for the show for anyone interested: http://tinyurl.com/2blpo2n
New Haven, CT USA - Friday, July 02, 2010 at 05:46:09 (PDT)
The googling I've done on the subject, which admittedly is far from extensive, suggests that the name of the song IS Ain't No Big Thing, of course this might just be the English language name, or the name might have been changed over time because that's how everyone referred to it. I'm also curious to know, what IS the real name of that song?
Columbus, OH USA - Friday, July 02, 2010 at 05:15:42 (PDT)
"Although that ain't the title of the song, I know what yer referring to."
So "Ain’t No Big Thing" by Kuiokalani Lee is not the name of the song? What is it? And I meant best version in a 5-O episode, obviously it's not the best ever... I just loved the way the Tiger episode started with the song, lights and camera work.
Boston, MA USA - Friday, July 02, 2010 at 04:57:55 (PDT)
Well roared, lion ;-)
Berlin, - Friday, July 02, 2010 at 02:14:42 (PDT)
"WELL, I GUESS "SOME PEOPLE" NEVER GET IT: H50(ORIGINAL) WAS, & FOREVER WILL BE A "T.V. CLASSIC"; FOR ALL THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO "BASH" THE ORIGINAL, IT'S APPARENT YOU'VE NEVER BEEN FAMILIAR WITH "GREAT ENTERTAINMENT"! YES, JACK LORD WAS "JUST AN ACTOR" AS SOMEONE SAID, BUT AGAIN, THIS WAS BACK WHEN TELEVISION ACTUALLY HAD SHOWS THAT PEOPLE RELATED TO, & THE CHARACTERS(EVEN IF FICTIONAL) WERE ONES THAT ALMOST SEEMED LIKE "FAMILY", & YOU COULD'NT WAIT UNTIL "NEXT WEEK". NOW, ALL WE HAVE ARE "TALENT"(OR, NO-TALENT) SHOWS, & REALITY GARBAGE! SO, JUST REMEMBER, IF YOU WERE'NT AROUND BACK THEN, DON'T "TRASH WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT! "THANKS", TO "JACK LORD & JAMES MACARTHUR, YOU GAVE US WHAT WE WANTED!!
GASTONIA, N.C. U.S.A. - Thursday, July 01, 2010 at 22:22:12 (PDT)
Speaking of the International Marketplace, when I was there a couple of years ago there was a bar in the back, on the left I think. Thirty years later it still looked exactly like the place in the scene from 'Two Doves And Mr Herron' when Vic Morrow was looking for John Ritter. The bartender was on to him and wouldn't rat him out. But the girl customer did. Can't remember the name of the place.
Newport Beach, CA USA - Thursday, July 01, 2010 at 21:29:20 (PDT)
My all-time favorite song performed live on Five-0 is Tommy Sands 'I'll Remember You' from 'No More Blue Skies' ...I've posted in the past about that scene. For me, just about as good as it gets.
Newport Beach, CA USA - Thursday, July 01, 2010 at 21:15:37 (PDT)
"Tiger by the Tail had the best version of "Ain't No Big Thing""
Although that ain't the title of the song, I know what yer referring to. The bestest version was while we were drinkin a maitai and watching da braddahs sing it back in the day at IMP, and also seeing Don Ho at da Beachcomber's, live.
- Thursday, July 01, 2010 at 19:13:59 (PDT)
Tiger by the Tail had the best (or at least my favorite) version of "Ain't No Big Thing"... it was swingin' baby...
and let's hear Alex O try to say "run a check on that plate" like the Lord did!
Boston, MA USA - Thursday, July 01, 2010 at 17:12:15 (PDT)
And Sam Melville wins the "baby" award in TIGER BY THE TAIL. "No way, baby. But NO WAY!!" Or at least no one said "baby" like Sam.
Philadelphia, PA USA - Thursday, July 01, 2010 at 15:57:38 (PDT)
Right on, bruddah ... don't forget about those "Zeus-like pronouncements" in the later seasons!! What a God!!
Vancouver, BC - Thursday, July 01, 2010 at 15:54:16 (PDT)
"You all hate everything and you act like Jack was some kind of God." - ok, now you went TOO far! You're gonna take that back, buddy! THE LORD was more than just a man... I'll have you know...
Philadelphia, PA USA - Thursday, July 01, 2010 at 15:52:58 (PDT)
FrankB from New York, not to be overly picky, but Kona is not "fresh out of the police academy."
According to Chin Ho, she "graduates from the police academy in a week." (This is the same mistake made by a blogger in the L.A. Times who, like me, has actually seen the pilot ... which you could read about through the link at the top of the comments section here.)
Are you suggesting that female recruits are enlisted when they graduate to be members of some elite law enforcement team not connected with the police department, even though the head of the team says in this case "she's got no street experience" and tells her she could "earn a little extra credit before you [graduate]," solely because he is seemingly impressed that she punched out some guy who cut into her wave while surfing? Sorry, I can't buy this.
By the way, before anyone jumps on me for favoring the old show over the new (which is B.S., because I have found plenty of faults with the old one), there actually were things I liked about the new show ... see the above review.
Vancouver, BC - Thursday, July 01, 2010 at 15:48:57 (PDT)
Thanks. I feel so stupid now, because it makes sense. Someone pm me and told me. We chuckled.
USA - Thursday, July 01, 2010 at 15:46:34 (PDT)
Seriously, you guys are still tearing the new H50 apart with as little as a short clip to go on? This is truly sad. You embarrass those of us who matured over the years and didn't get stuck in a rut. For God's sake, give these young people a chance. Jack doesn't care any more. You all hate everything and you act like Jack was some kind of God. He was an actor who did a job and was lucky there was so little competition on TV in those days. Shows got a lot of time to develop followings. These poor actors today have to make a splash quickly and beat out hundreds of channels and the internet and people choosing to watch DVDs or the shows online.
I watched H50 back in a day and I liked it. I just watched a few episodes online and I found it to be completely boring, slow moving, and predictable now. What are you going to do? Spend countless hours picking on actors that just want to make a living in a very competitive field? If this is so painful for you, just buy all the DVDs and watch Jack until you have memorized all 12 years.
What did you guys do before the internet came? Before DVDs and VCRs? Just hope someday Jack would be back?
How sad that you are wishing failure on actors you don't know in the name of a long dead show. It is pathetic.
LA, CA USA - Thursday, July 01, 2010 at 15:12:41 (PDT)
why all the comments on kona being fresh out of the pd academuy.anyone with real le experience knows that pletny of uc's get recruited right out of the academy ... [and] this is routine now adays especially with female officers.give it a break couch potatoes [and enjoy a remake of a classic show].
new york, ny us - Thursday, July 01, 2010 at 15:06:32 (PDT)
Yeah, I watched it again recently and everytime I'm shocked about the end where the guy jumps out of the window because MMMister McGarrett must not win.
Berlin, - Thursday, July 01, 2010 at 13:58:56 (PDT)
MMMMM oh Nadja that guy was creepy! I remember my brother and I imitating that guy for an entire summer. Poor MMMMMister Beachum....
Boston, MA USA - Thursday, July 01, 2010 at 13:48:52 (PDT)
Seattle, WA USA - Thursday, July 01, 2010 at 13:35:57 (PDT)
If there is just about anything in the world you do not understand (including "WTF"), go to Google, type it in and hit "Enter." There is about a 99% chance that you will find what you are looking for.
Vancouver, BC - Thursday, July 01, 2010 at 13:32:05 (PDT)
MMMMMISTER Vogler ;-)
Berlin , - Thursday, July 01, 2010 at 13:29:55 (PDT)
World Taekwondo Federation? probably not...
WTF defined here --->
Boston, MA USA - Thursday, July 01, 2010 at 13:26:20 (PDT)
@Pam Look here: http://www.all-acronyms.com/WTF/tag/internet_jargon
Berlin, - Thursday, July 01, 2010 at 13:23:54 (PDT)
I have been reading the posts, and I have one question. I am not that familiar with computer lingo. Can someone please tell me what WTF means? It is mentioned a few times in some of the comments and I can't figure it out.
Thanks so much.
USA - Thursday, July 01, 2010 at 13:18:08 (PDT)
Ha... and the infamous... "Thanks chickie baby"
Newport Beach, CA USA - Thursday, July 01, 2010 at 12:58:53 (PDT)
>>>Gotta be more "baby" in The Late John Louisiana. Gotta be, baby<<<
Newport Beach, CA USA - Thursday, July 01, 2010 at 12:40:04 (PDT)
@get real: Aaah, I see. And when I'm reading classic literature and like Shakespeare or Hemingway for instance or enjoy paintings of Matisse or Warhol it's because for some reason I just can't move on. It has,of course, nothing to do with the quality of things that makes them remarkable through the ages ;-)
Berlin, - Thursday, July 01, 2010 at 12:21:13 (PDT)
I recently watched Love Thy Neighbor - Take His Wife from season 8 and found Janit Baldwin. I remember seeing her in other 70s shows like Baretta and Emergency! She played the kidnapers daughter/framed guys' girlfriend in
5-O. Very cute and looked nice in a bathing suit too... it turns out she retired from acting and now makes $300 designer handbags. Seems like a cool lady and she aged quite nicely.
Boston, MA USA - Thursday, July 01, 2010 at 12:16:56 (PDT)
If I were involved with the media push, or publicity to any degree of the new H50 you can bet yer profane WTF lily white okole, I would send them out on a press junket to wherever there may be found TV viewers, and this of course would include Comic-Con. Absolutely. It would be surprising if they did NOT attend. (no personal offense intended. That was directed at the general populace who say wtf often.)
ainokea, it dun matter Polynesia - Thursday, July 01, 2010 at 12:10:54 (PDT)
" just like no one cares about a show that ran its course thirty years ago, except a few who for some reason can't move on."
That was extremly rude. I care about the Original and I am not a no one . Move on?? You will the one moving on when the remake bombs!
" Everything has its time and everything has a time when it is done. The old H50 was done a long time ago."
Exactly! Hawaii five O has its time and that is why a remake is needless.
Now, you Get real.
- Thursday, July 01, 2010 at 12:07:10 (PDT)
"I have already sent the people at CBS pictures of Jack Lord but have heard no response. What's wrong with them??!!"
As far as the "baby" trivia, I can only guess Tommy Sands, "it's gonna be blue skies baby, blue skies!"
sure it is...
Boston, MA USA - Thursday, July 01, 2010 at 11:59:21 (PDT)
I'm giving the show a chance as we all are here. We need it. and 30 years later? It's a wholly other animal. So we enjoy it for what it is.
"Is Charlize Theron any relation to the actress who played the hostage in this episode?" Although bearing a striking resemblance, Linda Purl is no relation to Ms. Theron. Although they did act together including in the aforementioned MJY.
"about the new show would be more acceptable if people came up with a few original criticisms"
I have many observations and trivia on the new show. But it would then be quoted all over and instantly labelled "general consensus"
da kine, ovah deah li'dat, Hawaii Polynesia - Thursday, July 01, 2010 at 11:53:05 (PDT)
Hawaii Five-O (the new one) to appear at San Diego Comic-Con this month!?!? WTF!! http://bit.ly/dwneHX
Vancouver, BC - Thursday, July 01, 2010 at 11:48:25 (PDT)
And the cast won't care 30 years from now what people think, just like no one cares about a show that ran its course thirty years ago, except a few who for some reason can't move on.
Of course, things will be even better by then. It is called progress.Everything has its time and everything has a time when it is done. The old H50 was done a long time ago.
LA, CA USA - Thursday, July 01, 2010 at 11:34:23 (PDT)
Oh when... oh when will CBS stop pillaging my childhood?!! Why must they torture me so??!! Why can't they see that AOL is not Jack Lord??! I have already sent the people at CBS pictures of Jack Lord but have heard no response. What's wrong with them??!! Why is AOL still onboard??!! Don't they realize that he's NOT Jack Lord??!! What's wrong with these people??!! My memories of the old show are forever tarnished now and I no longer have any desire to even watch the old show anymore! I think I will sell all the 7 seasons that I have accumulated so far on eBay. I have no use for the show any more. These are the SADDEST DAYS OF MY LIFE....
Philadelphia, PA USA - Thursday, July 01, 2010 at 11:33:43 (PDT)
Too bad I can't have a "Like" or "Dislike" button like on Facebook for each entry.
Perhaps I should have a contest where we choose the most intelligent posting each week and the winner gets a prize from Mr. Mike's treasure trove of Five-O goodies.
Speaking of contests, here's one: who says the word "baby" more? Tommy Sands' character in "No Blue Skies" (season 1) or Don Stroud's character in "The Late John Louisiana" (season 3)?
Vancouver, BC - Thursday, July 01, 2010 at 11:24:26 (PDT)
I couldn't agree with you more. I read on twitter the AlexO fans found this site and told each other to come here and talk up Hawaii. That's why all this has been going on for the past few days.
Usa - Thursday, July 01, 2010 at 11:05:41 (PDT)
Hey, we were over it and discussing other things but everytime we do so someone has to come and swarm about Alex and the new show and vanishes into thin air, it seems. And that has to be answered ;-)
Berlin, - Thursday, July 01, 2010 at 09:48:41 (PDT)
I have to agree with Hans. The endless complaining about the new show would be more acceptable if people came up with a few original criticisms every now and then. How often have the terms shirtless and CSI: Hawaii been used? Mr. Mike should institute a new rule in his guestbook manifesto, no more references to shirtlessness and no more usage of the term CSI:Hawaii. We get it already.
Columbus, OH USA - Thursday, July 01, 2010 at 06:02:59 (PDT)
Sorry. No giving this show a chance. I watched the promo, read the plot and saw the pics of the new cast. I had enough. Yes I am sure Alex O. is a very talented actor even if viewers seem not to care about his shows and movies at all. . And yes I am sure the nice comments about him and the remake have nothing to do with some ladies thinking he is sooo hot. :)
- Thursday, July 01, 2010 at 05:43:49 (PDT)
“This garbage is destroying the memories of a great show”
First they destroy memories and then they’ll come for your childhood!
But seriously, what is wrong here? Just watch the old DVD’s and don’t watch the new show, how easy is that?
And maybe steer the dialogue away by posting something fun or interesting about the old show instead of endlessly blathering on about how horrible the new show is (that hasn't aired a single episiode yet) it’s like beating a dead horse, or a dead cow at Makapuu...
Boston, MA USA - Thursday, July 01, 2010 at 05:23:42 (PDT)
“I'm in the age bracket to have watched the original H5O with Jack Lord and loved it but I'd also like to add that Alex is a wonderful actor”
Oh sure, you can’t fool me, you just like him cause HE’s HOT!!! ;-)
Boston, MA USA - Thursday, July 01, 2010 at 05:14:05 (PDT)
Now that it's tucked away in the archives (link below), the comments from June broke a record as the longest Guestbook ever ... 266309 bytes, beating March 2010 with 254175 bytes.
Vancouver, BC - Thursday, July 01, 2010 at 03:52:54 (PDT)
Couple of things...
1.) Watched the other version of the title sequence for "Cocoon" in the last week (via the Twitter page). Really liked the lava image. Puts you in the mood for the Region 1 ninth season DVD set (the background image being of a volcano with lava coming out of it).
2.) The Viacom images posted further down this page...a different background colour was seen behind the Viacom logo at the end of some episodes of Hawaii Five-O when it was shown on Granada Plus. I think it was a pink/red background. Also, a voiceover said "Viacom" as the logo appeared onscreen.
3.) During Granada Plus's screening of I think the first to seventh seasons, a piece of trivia was shown after and before the Hawaii Five-O ad bumpers. One of these stuck in my mind. It was shown during a screening of the seventh season episode "The Hostage". An image was shown of Charlize Theron in the film Mighty Joe Young. I can't remember the exact words of the trivia, but I have a question about it. Is Charlize Theron any relation to the actress who played the hostage in this episode?
United Kingdom - Thursday, July 01, 2010 at 03:24:11 (PDT)
This garbage is destroying the memories of a great show.
Nokomis, FL USA - Thursday, July 01, 2010 at 03:15:27 (PDT)
Well said, Nadja.
Germany - Thursday, July 01, 2010 at 01:28:24 (PDT)
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