Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- July-August 2013

The Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- July-August 2013



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Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Sales on Ebay of H50 1.0 DVDs for the period 24-29 August 2013:

Season 1: Sold for $9.99. Did not sell for asking prices of $12.77 and $12.99.
Season 2: Sold for $9.99 and $11.10.
Season 3: Sold for $8.98 and $9.99.
Season 4: Did not sell for asking price of $9.99.
Season 5: Sold for $9.99.
Season 6: Sold for $13.50.
Season 7: Sold for 10.00.
Season 8: Did not sell for asking price of $16.57.

Seasons 9-12 were not offered during this period.

Added: Saturday 31 August 2013 06:47:38 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Tomorrow is the last day for old Hale'iwa Town. Then, the developers are coming in and tearing it all down. They say they'll put up something that is supposed to replicate the old buildings, but we all know how that usually goes. There's nothing like the real thing, after all. I don't know why Hawai'i doesn't put an end to this nonsense. Refuse to grant permits. Something. Anything.

Added: Friday 30 August 2013 17:40:14 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Mike, as far as know and have read, Grace never confirmed being pregnant. People have been making that comment on message boards for the past year, but it was never officially confirmed or denied.

Added: Friday 30 August 2013 08:50:05 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

http://tvline.com/2013/08/29/once-upon-a-time-regina-ariel-spoilers/

Q. Is Grace Park returning for Season 4 of Hawaii Five-0, or is she really gone? – John
A. I fielded a version of this question recently, but now have new intel from show boss Peter M. Lenkov, who stresses that Kono will be seen "in a bunch” of early Season 4 episodes, yet independent of the Five-0 team she left behind.

http://cartermatt.com/81867/hawaii-five-0-season-4-spoilers-the-future-of-grace-park/

This second link has a user comment that GP is pregnant, but has this ever been confirmed by anyone, like GP herself?

Added: Friday 30 August 2013 08:32:12 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

It certainly shows how much markup there is on those DVDs. After all, the networks that own those shows aren't giving them away. If they are making, say, $10 and Costco is making $8.00 (plus cents), then Amazon must be making $22 (plus cents). We're in the wrong business, Mike.

Added: Thursday 29 August 2013 17:49:12 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

H50, on Amazon, the price for the complete series DVDs I saw at Costco is

Married with Children - $32.94
Charlie's Angels - $34.05
Sanford and Son - $39.68
Soap - $37.15

Costco is selling these for $18.79!!

I don't think these are "old product" in the sense that the shows have been released multiple times on DVD and this is yet another attempt to cash in on them. As far as I am aware, all of these shows were released season-by-season (just like Five-O) and then they were released as a complete set (the Costco boxes).

Added: Thursday 29 August 2013 16:09:47 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

From http://www.broadwayworld.com/bwwtv/article/VIDEO-Sneak-Peek-Season-Premiere-of-CBSs-HAWAII-FIVE-O-20130829

On the fourth season premiere of CBS's HAWAII FIVE-O titled "Aloha ke kahi I ke kahi" (which means "We Need Each Other"), after McGarrett and Wo Fat narrowly escape from maximum security, gunmen storm Five-0 headquarters, compromising Kono and Adam's secret location in Hong Kong and forcing McGarrett to break the law and turn on his own in order to find a kidnapped Catherine.

Huh, I never woulda thunk it that McG and Wo escaped! Seriously, I thought McG would have been killed so they could bring in McG's uncle (also a Navy SEAL) who would take over the team. But who would play him?

As for Wo, I figured he would return to China, where he would visit the National Face-Transplant Institute and be totally reconstructed ... to look like who (another actor who takes over the role, obviously)?

Added: Thursday 29 August 2013 15:22:16 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

If you go to what is currently page 4 of the discussion forum

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/gbook/gbook.php?page=4

you will find a "boring anal-ysis" of the cost of Five-O seasons on DVD at Amazon a few weeks ago.

Added: Thursday 29 August 2013 07:45:07 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

More likely, it's because Five-0 is still an active, profit-making venture; whereas, the others are just old shows that are being brought out for whatever sum they might bring in.

Those of us who purchased each season as it came out paid about $420 (assuming an average price of $35 for each of 12 seasons). Even so $350 sounds very expensive for the complete set, bonus footage or no. Although $250 sounds high, it's only $20 per season, excluding the value of the bonus footage. Even so, you might want to search Amazon, Ebay, et al. to see if you can buy individual seasons less expensively. I saw Season 1 going for $9.95 on one of those sites, but I don't remember which.

Added: Thursday 29 August 2013 06:31:45 MST


Submitted by: Koni
From: America

Mr Mike. Is it because those shows were released on DVD for a while now and 5-0 boxed set is brand new?

Added: Wednesday 28 August 2013 19:18:24 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I don't get it. I was in Costco today, they had a bunch of box sets of TV shows. Among them were Married with Children (11 seasons, 32 discs) and Charlie's Angels (5 seasons, 27 discs -- this is a 1-hour show). These box sets were being sold for >$18.79< each! Yet this new box set of Five-O (12 seasons, 73 discs) is selling for $349.99 list at Amazon, now down to $244.49 for pre-order (it was previously much higher). Granted, the Five-O box set comes in a very fancy package and has remastered season 10 and a "bonus" disc, whereas these Costco DVDs (which also included Sanford & Son and Soap) come in a really boring box by comparison. Why can't the new Five-O set be sold in two or three separate boxes for similarly low prices?

Added: Wednesday 28 August 2013 16:48:17 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

...so I'm watching TWO DOVES AND MR HERON which I've seen a thousand times and I keep thinking the girl reminds me of something, her voice, I can't place it ...and then it hits me. Dianne Hull starred in ALOHA BOBBY AND ROSE which if you were 17-18 years old (I was) and grew up in southern California (I did) this film epitomized the car culture and cruising and music that was such a huge part of our teenage years. So I checked it out on YouTube - it was almost like repressed memory. The whole thing took me back, almost like it was 1975 again.

Added: Wednesday 28 August 2013 16:39:58 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Another guest star announced: Darryl Hannah of "Splash" fame (is there any other movie that she is associated with?). She will play a cougarish real estate agent.

But she was already announced for the "next" season!!

http://mjq.net/fiveo/2010-log2.htm#hannah

:D

Added: Wednesday 28 August 2013 13:21:41 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Interestingly, the only person I met in New York was a taxi driver, who was as kind and helpful as he could be. Maybe he could see what a fish out of water I was and took pity on me. In any case, I appreciate his kindness and haven't forgotten him in nearly 20 years.

Mike, I was watching You Tube videos about VIA Rail's "Canadian" between Toronto and Vancouver. The narrator gave a (very) brief background on Vancouver, which I found fascinating, that Vancouver associates itself very closely with Asia and Polynesia and even resembles an Asian city. I've gotta take that train ride. Forget waiting for the bucket list.

Added: Wednesday 28 August 2013 11:44:29 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"Where were you born Ringfire?"

I was born in Ukraine.

Yes, folks say that Philadelphians can be a rude bunch. And I think it's true. Especially when you're driving around the city and don't know your way around. I don't think it's as bad as in NYC (where EVERYONE is impatient) but it can be a bit disenchanting. My sister moved to Tennessee and loves it there - loves the Southern hospitality. As do I whenever I visit. It's nice having complete strangers smile and wave to you. :)

Added: Wednesday 28 August 2013 09:50:52 MST


Submitted by: Maxine
From: Brooklyn

Naked City also featured terrific location shooting, and they didn't hesitate to film in the less posh sections of the city. It's fun to watch it now and try to identify blocks or corners from how they were 50 years ago.

I can't help but think that the location work on that show inspired the way H5O was shot several years later.

(And for those who don't know, Naked City's head cop Paul Burke appeared on H5O twice, in 1971's "The Gunrunner" and in the second-to-last episode ever shown, "The Moroville Covenant.")

Added: Wednesday 28 August 2013 08:34:58 MST


Submitted by: mr Hiram
From: NYC

welcome back

just saw new season 50 promo: chi mcbride?

when did this happen?

Added: Wednesday 28 August 2013 07:47:16 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

Mr. Mike posted >>>I taped an episode of The Donna Reed Show off MeTV the other day... I was also watching episodes of Naked City recently...<<<

I agree with your comments 100%. I would include My Three Sons as having that same family value quality as well.

Shows like Naked City are so well written and produced. I think Perry Mason would be another example ...with a professionalism that just does not exist in the industry anymore.

Added: Tuesday 27 August 2013 09:09:03 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I taped an episode of The Donna Reed Show off MeTV the other day. I haven't seen this show for years (like since it was originally on). I then went and looked up stuff about the show on Wikipedia, and found this interesting quote made by Paul Petersen (the son in the family on the show).

In a 2008 interview, Petersen stated, "[The Donna Reed Show] depicts a better time and place. It has a sort of level of intelligence and professionalism that is sadly lacking in current entertainment products. The messages it sent out were positive and uplifting. The folks you saw were likable, the family was fun, the situations were familiar to people. It provided 22-and-a-half-minutes of moral instructions and advice on how to deal with the little dilemmas of life. Jeff and Mary and their friends had all the same problems that real kids in high school did." Petersen continued, "That's what the show was really about, the importance of family. That's where life's lessons are transmitted, generation to generation. There's a certain way in which these are transmitted, with love and affection."

I was also watching episodes of Naked City recently (the show starring Paul Burke). A friend had taped a couple of dozen episodes of this show, also off MeTV, and I binge-watched those. Last weekend, they broadcast the first two shows, which starred James Franciscus. These, unlike the one-hour-long Paul Burke episodes, were only half-hour shows. Naked City had guest stars, some of whom were famous actors and some of whom were up-and-coming. What is likeable about this show is the quality of the writing, which is really amazing, as well as the acting. When many (most) of these shows are over, you actually feel good!

Added: Tuesday 27 August 2013 07:43:43 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Thanks H50!

I agree with you Ringfire. To split hairs like that means you need to get a life, or have way too much time on your hands.

Where were you born Ringfire?

I have a friend in Philly, she's tough, the city's tough, it's a tough town. The one and only time I was there this guy from Pakistan took me in his taxi for a joy ride over the bridge from the airport. A five minute trip took 25 minutes, and he charged me 30 bucks. The authorities at the Philly airport were steamed because they want the tourism and didn't like that someone pulled that scam. My company paid the bill, so I least I didn't have to pay it personally.

Added: Tuesday 27 August 2013 06:47:35 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Some guy e-mailed me as follows, in 1997! Has anyone ever heard of this show? Is there any way to track it down? Maybe it is shown on some "retro" TV station. I have seen an offer for it on ioffer.com, but that expired a LONG time ago.

"A few years ago, maybe 1993 or 1994, FOX had a show called DANGER THEATRE, I guess it wasn't very successful, the show was cancelled after about a month, They had a parody called TROPICAL PUNCH, with Adam West as a McGarrett type figure, and some other unknowns as a Danno character, and some big Hawaiian looking guy, I guess he was trying to be Kono, The show wasn't very long since the whole show was divided into 2 different sketches, the Five-O parody was first, then there usually was something else on after.

"TROPICAL PUNCH even had the credits done to be Five-O style, with hula girls and "The Wave", but it just wasn't the same.

"I don't really know how you would get a hold of any of the DANGER THEATRE episodes, but they’re worth looking at, just for the humor and to notice the Five-O style gimmicks.”

Added: Monday 26 August 2013 22:18:24 MST


Submitted by: Michael T.
From: Palatine IL

If Kimo keeps it up, he shall soon be known as Kimo-Kapu. The Haole.

Added: Monday 26 August 2013 19:55:07 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Kimo used to be mildly amusing. Now he's just a pain in the arse. Who gives a crap anyway? If you're from Hawaii then you're a Hawaiian to me. Local or haole. End of story. I don't hound folks or act like a know-it-all if someone gets Philly wrong. What's the point? Who cares? You want to call me a Philadelphian? Good! Go ahead! Even though I wasn't even born in this country.

Added: Monday 26 August 2013 13:18:08 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Well said, Rainbow Warrior! Hawai'i is glorious!

Added: Monday 26 August 2013 12:23:57 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Good for you, my buddy ringfire! :!clap:

Everybody here loves Hawaii, in their own way, they each have their own understanding. Let's all agree that it is a beautiful state, with beautiful people, and it holds a very special place in all Americans hearts, as well as people from all over the world. I think most of us have always been proud and honored that Hawaii is part of the United States of America. I know that I would lay down my life to protect the land and people of Hawaii.

Fighting over who knows more about Hawaii, and who has a better understanding of it is akin to two children bickering over who loves mom more.

Added: Monday 26 August 2013 07:49:17 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"You may well refuse to learn about Hawai'i and claim all locals employ warped logic"

Nope, not all locals. Just one belligerent local named Kimo.

Added: Sunday 25 August 2013 19:06:12 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

I know what you mean, DW. We have our ancient TV hooked up to a receiver and speakers. The sound is really great! In fact, I no longer can bear to hear sound directly from the TV.

Added: Friday 23 August 2013 22:12:11 MST


Submitted by: Deli Waiter
From: Palm Springs, CA

So I finally get on board with the 21st Century and obtained a Digital TV with all the in/out Jacks on the back for sound, etc. I bring it home and run my cable box thru it then decide to run the audio from the TV into the stereo receiver, a little 50 watt Technics receiver but with the speakers placed in the left and right corners of the room I get good quality analog sound. (Sound runs thru a pair of Zeinith Allegro speakers for all you hi-fi heads out there.) Anyway so to christian the new TV and sound hook-up I play COCOON followed by FULL FATHOM FIVE from Season 1. And let me tell you, bruddah, the sound was awesome! I turned my little living room into a temple of Classic Five-O! Now everyday when I return from slinging Corned Beef Hash, I play an episode in chronological order. Today I just crossed over to Season 2 and watched A THOUSAND PARDONS and YOU'RE DEAD and I loved it even more than ever. Watching the episodes thru the stereo is like watching them for the first time all over again. I love the ambient sounds of the waves and the squealing tires and the excellent music scores and whatever else I hear from the show. It takes the episodes to a new level and it is like a plate lunch, ONO.

Added: Friday 23 August 2013 21:06:34 MST


Submitted by: Chantel Trotter
From: Rancho Mirage, CA

Just found this site. Big, big fan of the original 5-0. (My ringtone is the theme from the original) I met James McArthur a few years before he passed away. I worked at the front desk of the lab dept of our hospital. I always asked for insurance cards and got a lot of them from SAG because we have a lot of retired actors out here. One morning I glanced at the SAG card and it said James McArthur. I looked up and saw him and uttered "Danno". I'm not usually impressed with celebs because we see them a lot but I just beamed when I saw him. He came back several times for tests. He was extremely nice.

Added: Friday 23 August 2013 18:17:08 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: kailua

Sorry, but mw.com is wrong. All kama'aina know; Hawaiian is bloodline. Not residency. You may well refuse to learn about Hawai'i and claim all locals employ warped logic. But that won't get you very far. We don't care about califorlornia. Or austrians.
Also there is no quicker way to make any semblance of the mythical aloha spirit disappear, than to demand at locals show me that damned aloha spirit!

Added: Friday 23 August 2013 15:12:05 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

According to Kimo's warped logic, Arnold Schwarzenegger clearly was not a California governor. He was an Austrian governor.

Added: Friday 23 August 2013 13:26:17 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

I must be in a nasty mood today. Someone on Facebook posted an oceanfront McMansion for sale in Maui, and I responded with this:

"Sorry. Not what I'm looking for. Do you have a little grass shack on oceanfront property with honu and sea lions napping on the beach and real-estate developers a few thousand miles away? Please let me know if something comes up."

So, you see, Kimo, some of us feel the very same way about it that you do.

Added: Friday 23 August 2013 10:09:17 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Welcome back, Kimo. It's always interesting to get your take on the issues.

I have to agree with Oscar, though, about who may be considered Hawaiian; after all, even the original Native Hawaiians made Hawai'i their home after being born elsewhere.

As discussed several times in the past, the demographics of every nation has changed drastically from how it was when we grew up. Ex-pats hail from every nation and resettle in every nation. People are fascinated with the world around them and want to experience it all -- even Hawai'i. If I had the resources, I'd be over there, too.

As for New York-born Gov. Abercrombie, what are the demographics for those who voted for him? Can you tell us?

Added: Friday 23 August 2013 09:55:44 MST


Submitted by: Oscar Van Hemel
From: Seattle, WA

How nice that Kimo has dropped in to spread the "aloha spirit."

I'm sure that Mr. Mike, who it looks like spent a lot of time editing, converting and uploading those videos, appreciates Kimo using his space to spread his usual nutty "Hawaiian" version of political correctness in pointing out that the "Hawaiian" governor shown in one of the videos was not "Hawaiian."

According to m-w.com, Hawaiian means "a native or >resident< of Hawaii." I would suggest it could be expanded to mean "works for the people of the state of Hawaii" or "elected by the people of the state of Hawaii."

The description of the video both on this site as well as YouTube mentions several times that it is taking place in 1996. So it is further unnecessary to mention that the governor seen in the video was a former governor. Anyone could go to the Hawaiian government WWW page or even the less-reliable Wikipedia to see this for themselves.

I'm surprised that Kimo doesn't describe some of the people mentioned in the description as "former actor [or whatever] (not "Hawaiian," by the way) [insert name of person here], now deceased."

(Should I point out that Hawaii's current governor, unlike Ben Cayetano, was not born there? (Still not good enough for Kimo as far as Cayetano is concerned.) Neil Abercrombie was born in Buffalo, New York. Tsk! Tsk!)

Added: Friday 23 August 2013 07:50:21 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

"Take a look at this video:

Nice bit of "history" there...
Ben Wood is a heckuva nice guy. Met him a few times at the Star Bull offices. He is popolo, though doesn't look it.
He was an entertainment columnist for the paper.

"Hawaiian Governor Ben Cayetano"

Correction. Cayetano is Filipino. He has no Hawaiian koko.

It would be correctly written as "Hawaii's then Governor, Ben Cayetano..."

Added: Thursday 22 August 2013 23:23:04 MST


Submitted by: Koni
From: America

Netflix. Ring they use to have season 6 and 11 so that is why I am confused as to why they now only have them as a save option. Oh well, just another reason why I need to buy the upcoming box set. Hmmm could that be the reason they di this to get people to BUY???? Or perhaps to go to streaming???

Added: Thursday 22 August 2013 16:25:30 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Take a look at this video:

http://youtu.be/zZ03gGIUkLg

Hawaiian Governor Ben Cayetano presents a commendation to Mrs. Rose Freeman in appreciation for her late husband Len's work on the show. James MacArthur joins with Mrs. Freeman and Marie Lord to dedicate the sound stage, formerly used during production of the show, as "The Five-O Stage."

Although most of the video is shot from behind people attending, several stars of the show can be seen, including Harry Endo, Herman Wedemeyer, Al Harrington, Kam Fong, Zoulou, and Glenn Cannon.

Are there any other actors who can be seen? I think the guy in the cream-colored suit at the beginning of the video may be Jimmy Borges. [This has been confirmed by JB himself, who says the tall guy on his right is Ben Wood, columnist for the then Honolulu Star-Bulletin. - MQ] Who is the Asian guy who is standing next to Glenn Cannon?

Added: Thursday 22 August 2013 16:12:56 MST


Submitted by: Joekido

Why can't fans have her way of thinking? While fans are busy wooing on the cast's body, they don't care how bad the scripts are.

Added: Thursday 22 August 2013 14:54:56 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

According to this article:

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/thomson-reuters/130821/melanie-griffith-cast-hawaii-five-0-after-screenplay-rant

Melanie Griffith, soon to appear on the new Five-O as Danno's mother, unleashed a blast at screenplays for current TV shows earlier this week:

"In this day and age ... most of the scripts are so shitty and stupid and superficial."

Are her words going to strike fear into the hearts of the Five-0 script writers, who are noted for all of the above qualities?

:!devil:

Added: Thursday 22 August 2013 14:32:05 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

All 1996 Hawaii Five-O Mahalo Con videos are uploaded now. You can see almost all of them here:

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3g4URxvf0JobuNe_pGPgPA?feature=watch

There are three videos from final luau at Tahitian Lanai, only on my site:

http://mjq.net/fiveo/96conv/Video/ (bottom of page)

Added: Thursday 22 August 2013 13:34:37 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

There are plenty of shows on Netflix where the DVDs are not available and you can only "save" them to your Queue. BONANZA is another such show. I actually called them up asking about this - BONANZA's 6th season has already been released (I checked on Amazon) but on Netflix it only goes up to season 2. And even that season is currently unavailable - you can only "save" it. They said it all depends on the demand. If there isn't enough demand for it then they don't carry it. If enough people "save" it to their Queue then they might carry them.

In any case I usually have FIVE-0 playing in the background every day while at work. I stream it on Netflix. Even though I own the seasons 1-9 DVDs. I'm not purchasing the last 3 seasons so I'll just stream those. If you have the option to stream it then you can watch it that way.

Added: Thursday 22 August 2013 08:57:57 MST


Submitted by: Koni
From: America

Does anyone rent DVDs from Netflix? Seasons 6 and 11 are not available but you can "save" them in your que.

Anyone know why they did this?

Added: Wednesday 21 August 2013 16:09:10 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Thank you, Koni. I also wondered what was up with Thayer’s need for protein-enhanced baby food and the past complexion, but it gave the character dimension.

You can add John Byner to the celebrity list of guest stars. He was a comedian by profession, not a character actor.

What I notice about modern TV shows is that guest stars are incidental. They’re treated like filler. Their characters are just there to be the victim, suspects, and actual perpetrators and they don’t stand out. They get less than 2 minutes of screen time each, if they are lucky, and the main cast hogs the screen with their personal story arcs and soap opera side stories.

In the ‘50s to the ‘90s, being a guest star on a TV show was a resume builder. It got you noticed. Nowadays, guest stars get so little to do on these shows that it’s a miracle their careers get anywhere. It’s not just the new H50, but I saw the same thing on all the CSI shows. The guest stars got less screen time than the main cast, and with 8 people in the main cast – all getting star billing when half of them get just one scene – it’s hard to work in any guest stars.

Person of Interest sometimes manages to give the guest stars more screen time in some shows but in others they are relegated to nothing more than glorified extras with one scene and one line.

Added: Tuesday 20 August 2013 18:04:31 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Oh sure the original show had some big names like Andy Griffith and William Shatner (ok, he was a bit of a ham) and Hume Cronyn and Helen Hayes and Jean Simmons and Stephen Boyd. But these were all "actors". GREAT ACTORS!! Not some pop celebrities like a Jonas brother or a Nick Lachey or a P. Diddy or whoever else appeared on the new show.

That would be like Liberace or Kareem Abdul Jabbar or Mick Jagger appearing on the old show. And that never happened. For good reason.

Added: Tuesday 20 August 2013 18:02:23 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Well said, Ringfire. Between Rich Little's acting and JL's directing, "The Bells Toll at Noon" was an excellent episode. No question about it.

Added: Tuesday 20 August 2013 17:17:33 MST


Submitted by: Koni
From: America

Vrinda and Forever glad you both agree on this episode. I can watch it over and over and always pick up something new.

David's performance and character are very good indeed, despite his creepiness I still felt sorry for him, which can be attributed to the actor's abilities.

I never meant to imply the casting was "close" to the original in anyway but similar in that they both had BIG names like Burnett and Griffith and now Jonas too (though I hate to mention his name alongside the other 2). Nothing about the remake is close to the original but there are some similarities.

Added: Tuesday 20 August 2013 16:44:36 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"I give the producers credit for doing a lot of interesting guest casting this coming season, like the original."

Like the original?? Not even close! In the original they cast character actors, not the hottest celebrities of the day. That's why we never saw the likes of Little Richard or James Brown or Wilt Chamberlain or Liberace guest-starring on the show. Because Lenny (Freeman) and the gang cared about telling a compelling story, not looking for an excuse to cast a celebrity. This was Five-0, not the Love Boat. That's what made it a great show.

Heck, the only guest on the old show that could be labeled a "celebrity" that I can think of is Rich Little. He was pretty big at that time doing all those Dean Martin Celebrity Roasts (I encourage everyone to check those out on YouTube - his Jimmy Stewart and Johnny Carson impressions are absolutely incredible!!) and he was cast on the show as an impressionist/vigilante. That's probably the only piece of "stunt casting" that I can think of on the old show. Incidentally, Rich Little turned in what I consider the absolute best performance of season 9! Quite a feat for a guy who isn't really an actor.

Added: Tuesday 20 August 2013 13:39:10 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

"Double Exposure" is one of my favorite episodes. It had two eccentric bad guys played to the hilt by Thayer David and Seth Sakai, a glimpse into Danno's love life, Danno soul-kissing with chest flesh exposed (:!inlove: ), Danno getting clonked on the head while talking to Steve on the phone, Steve's frantic response when Danno calls him back later, that funny scene in Steve's office when he makes that remark to Danno about using his phone for personal calls, and the machine gunning from the helicopter was the icing on the cake! Go, McGarrett!

Seth Sakai said at one of the Mahalo Cons that the director changed the script to play up on the personality traits of the two gangsters, otherwise the story would read like the commonplace story about a photographer taking photo she shouldn't and is chased by gangsters.

Added: Monday 19 August 2013 19:50:42 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

I like Thayer David's performance on "Double Exposure." He's creepy, but durn, that's some good acting!

Added: Monday 19 August 2013 18:20:27 MST


Submitted by: Koni
From: America

I give the producers credit for doing a lot of interesting guest casting this coming season, like the original. Though that and the fact that they moved it to Friday nights is a sure sign of a sinking ship.

I tried watching it again the other night and I swear they cut about 50 times during a 3 minute scene. I could swear that the camera was actually doing somersaults too.

They cannot even shoot a simple panoramic view shot without screwing it up by swooping in too fast then cutting just as you start to register what you are looking at thus ruining the beautiful scenery of the island.

I was watching Double Exposure from sn 9 last night and had forgotten how great this ep is. Goes to show what a talented/creative director can do with a mediocre script.

Oh an Mike I liked the ending with Mac G coming to the rescue just in time via helicopter and machine gun, it fit well with the rest of the show which was a bit over the top and a lot of fun.

Added: Monday 19 August 2013 14:54:01 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Just Tweeted by CBS:

Jonasbros 2 perform a live free concert after the worldwide premiere of #H50 on the beach at Waikiki! 9/26/13 #SOTB [Sunset on the Beach] http://bit.ly/1albPIa

Added: Monday 19 August 2013 13:07:02 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

I counted everyone - even the locals - as the guest stars. When I said there were guest stars who were getting drunk in my earlier post, I was referring to those coming from the mainland. The ones who were living in Hawaii are obviously not viewing the job as a paid vacation because they live there. The numbers I gave were representative of the total number of people on the show.

Added: Monday 19 August 2013 08:21:00 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Vrinda, by your own definition, "guest stars" means actors who "were coming to Hawaii to work." I assume this does not mean people like the stock Five-O players who lived in Hawaii (Jimmy Borges, Terry Plunkett, Robert Witthans, Tommy Fujiwara, Danny Kamekona, etc.) or even the other local people who were only on the show once or extras, but the high-priced featured actors from the Mainland like Gavin MacLeod, Sal Mineo, Kevin McCarthy, Ricardo Montalban, Tommy Sands, Johnny Crawford and Nehemiah Persoff, just to name a few people from the first few shows.

Added: Sunday 18 August 2013 21:49:11 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

"No, but you are saying "MANY." Considering there were around 278 shows, which means at least 278 guest actors, how many are we talking about here? Obviously, I'm not saying this never happened."

If we do the math, and estimate the number of guest stars at 10-15 people per episode (counting bit players who aren't credited and excluding actors who made multiple appearances) and that's 2,780-4,170 people over the course of 12 years. There's got to be a lot more than one documented case of an actor getting drunk.

Added: Sunday 18 August 2013 21:32:31 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Here is the Dusay interview, which Heather helped me to track down:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/dusay/

As far as I can tell, there is nothing in this article about actors being drunk.

Heather's old site, which includes the above and several other pages, still exists at archive.org, by the way:

http://web.archive.org/web/19981205123003/http://scc.net/~heather/

Added: Sunday 18 August 2013 20:36:49 MST


Submitted by: Koni
From: America

OOOPs I should have said TAB HUNTER! Funny because in his book he mentions how he and Troy Donahue were constantly getting confused for each other.

Added: Sunday 18 August 2013 18:55:22 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

No, but you are saying "MANY." Considering there were around 278 shows, which means at least 278 guest actors, how many are we talking about here? Obviously, I'm not saying this never happened.

Added: Sunday 18 August 2013 18:35:00 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Koni, could you be thinking of Tab Hunter? He appeared in "Horoscope for Murder" (Season 11).

As for the "my island" bit, it was a popular expression in those days. More than one character on Five-0 used it. In "A Sentence to Steal", Barbara Baxley's character asked McGarrett how he liked "my ocean" when he called on her at her home in Kahala. In "A Lion in the Streets", Ross Martin said he had just taken a swim in "my ocean." It did not mean they thought they owned O'ahu or the Pacific Ocean, only that they loved them and were glad to be so close to them.

It should not be used to mean anything more, not even when Jack threw someone off the set for not coming prepared. All he was saying was that it was his show (and it was , although we don't know the percentage ownership he held in it) and to either shape up or ship out.

Added: Sunday 18 August 2013 18:33:54 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Ah, Mike, you will have to ask Marj Dusay and Heather Henderson about that. Marj mentioned the drunks in an interview a few years ago which was published online but was removed, because the web group with which it was associated was taken down. It might still be up somewhere else.

Heather also said, when she interviewed Michael Anderson, Jr. some years ago, that "I heard some stories from people I’ve talked to, Marj Dusay, others who did guest spots, and they said that he was fine, but a lot of actors apparently would go down to Hawaii thinking it was a vacation, go out and get drunk and come in hung over the next day, and he would go through the roof."

I read that about Lawford. He did have a drinking problem which had caused him trouble in the past and eventually killed him a few years later.

Don't tell me the rest of the cast and crew were complete teetotalers. ;)

Added: Sunday 18 August 2013 18:12:53 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Oh, Vrinda, who are these "many" guest stars who were drunk, hungover or not prepared?

The only one I am aware of was Peter Lawford, who appeared in "Frozen Assets."

At the 1999 Five-O Reunion in Honolulu, character actor Fred Ball, who appeared in this episode as a thawed-out corpse, confirmed my suspicions that Lawford was drunk, saying that the actor was so sloshed that he kept blowing his lines. According to a tell-all biography of Lawford published later, the actor ran up quite a large bill at the Honolulu hotel where he was staying above his normal room and board. When the hotel tried to get CBS to pay this bill, they refused. Only after a lot of heated discussion was the bill settled, and Lawford never worked for another CBS series.

Added: Sunday 18 August 2013 17:48:01 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Thanks for that, Koni. However, Troy never guest-starred on Hawaii Five-O. He was a regular on the last season of Hawaiian Eye (1959 - 1963), where he played a hotel social director named Phil Barton.

Unfortunately, such was the case of many guest stars who forgot they were coming to Hawaii to work. They thought they could come to the set drunk, hungover, or without having memorized their lines if they were sober and there was nothing wrong with it. And Jack was doing what he was supposed to do by telling them off. People with no work ethic who condone such irresponsible behavior on the part of those immature guest stars criticized Jack and said he was "difficult," "egotistical," "a control freak," and "a tyrant" when they were the ones who were difficult, egotistical, and self-entitled.

Added: Sunday 18 August 2013 17:05:00 MST


Submitted by: Koni
From: America

"Jack Lord was the man, if anyone gave him any flack he would point out to the ocean and tell them get off my island".

This from Troy Donohue"s autobiography, he guested on an episode of 5-0.

I don't blame him for having that attitude, it was his show and he cared deeply about it. It seems like many guest stars agreed to do the show thinking that it would be a free week in paradise.

Added: Sunday 18 August 2013 16:17:52 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Rainbow, I was thinking about which shows of the third season were above average. This was in response (unpublished) to a person at IMDB accusing me of totally hating the show. This is a person who I suspect has never bothered to visit this site where s/he could see that I have given new show episodes some good reviews ... and I have also given some of the old show episodes very negative reviews.

The episode you mention, (S03E22) Ho’ opio (To Take Captive) -- about the abducted girls, would definitely be my first choice for the best of last season. It was VERY serious (mostly because of the very serious subject matter) and had good acting by all concerned. The only thing that I didn't like were the interjections of the Kono/Adam soap opera and some questions about the woman who was "brokering" the girls.

Other episodes I liked:

(S03E06) I Ka Wa Mamua (In A Time Past) -- the one with flashbacks to Danno's activities in New Jersey on September 11, 2001.

(S03E10) Huaka’I Kula (Field Trip) - I liked the character of the girls' counsellor, and McGarrett's telling tall tales was hilarious.

(S03E15) Hookman -- "nice try" for using old show locations and following the old show script, but derailed by Danno's stupid anti-gun rant and the horrible music.

(S03E21) Imi loko ka ‘uhane (Seek Within One’s Soul) -- the infamous talk show episode, which most people hated; I thought it was a good representation of a typical moronic talk show.

It should be pointed out that none of the above went above 3 out of 4 stars...

Added: Sunday 18 August 2013 10:54:06 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Since Danno's mom is going to show up, what will we find out about her past? After all, McG's mom was a super spy (add long boring list of crap that she did in the past here). Maybe Danno's mom was really a double agent also working for the CIA and the two of them will recognize each other when they get together. It will be like dogs sniffing around a fire hydrant until there is some huge blow up where the two of them battle it out on surfboards off Waikiki or something. Duke Lukela will just look on the whole sorry spectacle and shake his head, saying "Those wacky moms..."

Added: Sunday 18 August 2013 10:09:06 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Thanks Virginia, I actually agree with you on the new show, I just watch it, and follow it because I'm hoping for some miracle to happen, and it becomes a great show out of the blue, like that one episode Mike and I really liked late last season about the kidnapped girls that was very powerful, and then the next week it went right back to being crap. I mainly watch it because I'm concerned about the damage being done to the Five-O brand by this show.

If Melanie Griffith is going to be on the show maybe that's means Don Johnson will be on the show, and then Phillip Michael Thomas and Edward James Olmos and Saundra Santiago will join the show, and then we will have a "Miami Vice" re-union on the show. That will lead to all the Five-O cast members being fired keeping the Miami Vice cast on and renaming the show "Hawaii Vice- The story continues" in order to salvage the show. I wouldn't put it past Les Moonves to do something like that. :D

Mike going back to something we talked about a few weeks back. The Five-O DVD's of the old show are starting to have their prices skyrocket.

Added: Sunday 18 August 2013 09:51:39 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

No one said there was anything wrong with it, but history is filled with people who have changed their names -- at least professionally -- in an effort to "fit in" better. An example that comes to mind is Martin Sheen, whose birth name is Ramón Antonio Gerardo Estévez. I don't think it's as bad now as it was in the past, but some people still change their names. Frankly, I think it's sad that some people feel the need to make the change. There's not a culture on this earth that hasn't contributed to society in a meaningful way.

Yes, Vrinda. You are correct. He was adopted by the Bergmans. It was revealed in the Season 2 episode "Ha'alele".

Added: Saturday 17 August 2013 18:43:23 MST


Submitted by: Joekido

What is wrong with someone who is Oriental in origin having a Germanic name?

Added: Saturday 17 August 2013 17:08:07 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Virginia, it was:

b. Despite his Oriental origins, he was adopted by a family named Bergman.

Added: Saturday 17 August 2013 16:24:43 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Here's a question for those of you who watch the remake:

Max Bergman, the medical examiner, portrayed by Masi Oka, offered which of the following explanations for why he, a man of Oriental heritage, bears the Germanic surname Bergman:
a. His Caucasian father was named Bergman; only his mother was Oriental.
b. Despite his Oriental origins, he was adopted by a family named Bergman.
c. He changed his name while in college under the belief that learned men would be quicker to accept him with the Germanic surname.
d. His name is really not Bergman. A records clerk made an error, and he never bothered to have it corrected.

Post your answer on the Discussion Forum. There is no prize for the winner(s), although the loser(s) will receive 5-0 lashings with a wet noodle.

Added: Saturday 17 August 2013 14:15:17 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

Melanie Griffith has already played Scott Caan's mother in a play that Caan wrote. I think the performances were last summer in L.A. I, too, don't think of her as being old but she is up there in age like some of us.

Added: Saturday 17 August 2013 12:44:16 MST


Submitted by: Theresa
From: NewYork

Mr. Mike,
Thank you for posting coverage of the 1996 convention. So far, I've watched the panel discussion with Zulu, Kam Fong, and Ms. Rhoades and Pt 1 of the banquet. I plan on parceling out the remaining segments like fine wine savoring every moment.

Added: Saturday 17 August 2013 12:42:19 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Footage from the Tahitian Lanai Luau finale of the 1996 Mahalo Con Five-O Convention in Honolulu, click on the links at the bottom of the page:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/96conv/Video/

Includes Jimmy Borges singing duets with Doug Mossman and Emme Tomimbang, Tommy Fujiwara, Zoulou, Kam Fong, Harry Endo, James MacArthur and Moe Keale. Host Doug Mossman adjudicates a hula dancing contest, Mrs. Rose Freeman dances the Macarena with Helen Kuoha-Torco, whose hips were seen in the main title of every episode, and gives thanks to the crowd for their support for the show.

Added: Saturday 17 August 2013 11:21:28 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Looks like Kono is still on the show, but hasn't necessarily returned to the Five-0 "ohana":

https://twitter.com/PLenkov/status/367801988819341312/photo/1

Added: Saturday 17 August 2013 09:04:43 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Melanie Griffith to play Danno's mom?!? Seriously!! I'm having trouble with this concept, because I can't picture Griffith as "old."

It's interesting that there has been almost nothing about this in the news, unlike the scoop about Nick Jonas which produced a deluge of articles which are like flies on you-know-what.

This job comes at a good time for Griffith (who has teamed up with Caan in the past), since she says is having trouble finding work recently.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/showbiz/422770/Melanie-Griffith-heading-to-Hawaii-to-play-Caan-s-mum

Added: Saturday 17 August 2013 08:53:13 MST


Submitted by: Joekido

I only watch the remake just to see how bad it can get. When I first heard of the remake I thought it was gonna be big as Lost, Alias and other big hit shows. I thought it was gonna have deep mysteries, complex stories and all that but when I saw season 2 I was proven to be wrong. The main storyline is badly written and the characters are bland. It tries to be complex but the show can't decide what it wants to be. It's amazing it would have fans and last four years.

Plus I wanted this show to follow the realistic fashion of the original but this series is trying to be opposite and it did badly.

Added: Friday 16 August 2013 16:50:32 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

No, Rainbow. I'm not mad at you. I just don't watch the remake. I struggled through Season 1, then stopped watching it. Actually, I expected it to be cancelled after Season 1; after Season 2, at the very least. As for how many episodes it will last in Season 4, I imagine they have a contract to make all 24 episodes, but that's only a guess.

Added: Friday 16 August 2013 15:13:28 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Rainbow Warrior: "Seinfeld hit it big in 1991-1992 ..."

If that's correct, that would have been during its third season, which shows that NBC was very patient in giving it a chance to gain an audience.

Added: Friday 16 August 2013 13:51:02 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Cheers and Hill Street Blues both turned around in their second seasons. Seinfeld hit it big in 1991-1992 around the time Oliver Stone's JFK came out and they did a spoof on it. That sent Seinfeld into the stratosphere. That was Seinfeld's third year.

Not an authority on any of that, but that seems to me the way I remember it.

Added: Friday 16 August 2013 12:19:12 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"The first season of Five-Zero was reportedly pretty good"

Yes there was that episode with General Pak (the always scary looking Ric Young) that I kinda liked. Where McG's phone got "cloned" :D

And then the one with Cary Hiroyuki Tagawa on the golf course with McG. With Wo Fat as this sinister presence lurking in the background. I guess that's before Wo Fat became a weekly baddie on the show with ties to everyone including Mom McG. :D

Added: Friday 16 August 2013 11:04:27 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Yeah, but at what season did these shows start to turn around? The first season of Five-Zero was reportedly pretty good. There was even a comment that it was in the "top 20 shows on TV" (really?!?). But things started to slide in the second season and went in the dumper in the third.

Added: Friday 16 August 2013 10:45:23 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Mike,

I am pretty sure that Cheers and Hill Street Blues were way down in the ratings toilet after their first season. Brandon Tartikoff stood by them to his credit, felt they were great shows, and it paid off as they became huge hits. "Seinfeld" didn't exactly light the ratings world on fire when it premiered as a mid-season replacement in 1990. Not there is anything wrong with that! ;)

Nice to see Vrinda's in, who I can always count on. I think H50 Forever is mad at me. :!sadsmile:

Added: Friday 16 August 2013 10:41:56 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Rainbow,

I'll go in on this bet: given it will last the whole season and there's no point in betting on that, I will say the fourth season will be the last.

Added: Friday 16 August 2013 09:42:19 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Rainbow, I am VERY sure that I read somewhere that Lenkov said that CBS had given him or guaranteed a full 24 episodes for season four. Unfortunately, I cannot find this easily, because if you go to Google News, it is full of trash about this Jonas brother who will guest star on the show (ugh).

They supposedly need 88 episodes for syndication; the figure used to be 100. TNT has already jumped the gun and has started broadcasting season one (and season two is contained in the "package" according to their WWW site). Up to the end of season three, there are 71 episodes, 72 counting the NCIS Los Angeles crossover.

For 88 episodes, they would need another 16 or 17 minimum.

I suspect that this season will be the last. Lenkov presumably has some kind of backup plan for either episode 88 or 96 if they want to finish the series with a final episode which makes sense, which should be difficult considering all the plot lines they have going.

Considering how very bad the ratings have become (and I am not even talking about the ratings for the first show on TNT, which were dismal), you have to wonder, are there any shows in the history of TV which managed to climb out of the ratings toilet to become a big success? This reminds me of some hockey team (like the Vancouver Canucks -- LOL) who got creamed for the first 3 out of 7 games during the Stanley Cup playoffs or the final, but devoted fans were still hoping their team could pull off a victory. In cases like this, there are always sports trivia types who manage to pull out a few examples of teams that really did accomplish the impossible.

Added: Friday 16 August 2013 09:02:41 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

I'll pass on the wager, but for my money, it should have been cancelled at the end of Season 1. But then, you already know that's how I feel about it, so, again, I'll pass on the wager.

Added: Friday 16 August 2013 08:31:55 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

I say we start a friendly pool. How many episodes does the new Five-O last before it's canned for good this year. Does it last a full season? a half season? 20 shows, 15? is it gone by December?...I'll start off by saying that it will go through February sweeps and then be canceled in March?....Winner gets a prize(non cash) of Mr. Mike's choice which could basically be a "hey good job" from Mike and that's it. Who's next to toss their guess into the ring?

Added: Friday 16 August 2013 06:52:52 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Easy, Mike. We don't want the HPD to think you pushed him in. Remember, Chick Matsu (HPD detective in "Man in a Steel Frame") runs 'em in before the crime scene investigators collect the evidence. LOL

Added: Friday 16 August 2013 05:02:26 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Update: My friend is going to watch - only because of Nick Jonas.

Added: Thursday 15 August 2013 20:25:22 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

I have a friend who is 22 and is a fan of the Jonas Brothers. She doesn't like the new Hawaii Five-0, however. She loves the original. She might make a concession to watch this one just for that night, though.

Added: Thursday 15 August 2013 18:07:06 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

What a total joke this is. Even die-hard fans at IMDB (which is to say "more enthusiastic about the show than me") are not pleased.

Who do they think this guy Nick Jonas is going to appeal to? Eleven-year-old girls? Well, ELEVEN-YEAR-OLD GIRLS DON'T WATCH COP SHOWS ON FRIDAY NIGHT!

Sheesh!

Maybe he will star in a remake of "No Bottles ... No Cans ... No People" where he is burned in an incinerator! :!devil:

Added: Thursday 15 August 2013 17:16:24 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

I read about Nick Jonas guest-starring a few days ago. People compared this to Justin Beiber on CSI. They pointed out that, thankfully, Beiber's character was killed. I think Nick Jonas might be more tolerable than Beiber, but that still won't make this episode any better.

Added: Thursday 15 August 2013 16:55:50 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I am working on a video of the luau from the Honolulu Mahalo Con get-together, which was like the "grand finale." This was becoming a major hassle, but I think I have overcome the problems. There are three separate source tapes that I am dealing with.

I uploaded this section of this video to YouTube, but YouTube got all crabby because the song "Girl from Ipanema" is heard. I don't know how YouTube knows this, They must have the audio equivalent of facial recognition, because I didn't mention this song in the description or anything.

If so, I find this very curious, because there are thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of "videos" on YouTube which basically consist of audio material like records and CDs (most of which I assume are still in copyright) with a still picture like the album cover or a picture of the artist(s). Yet YouTube's audio recognition did not detect anything wrong with >those<.

Whatever.

To avoid these YouTube hassles, I have just uploaded the file (and will do so with the others from the luau) to my own WWW site.

Since Jimmy Borges is heard in this excerpt, I have put this at the bottom of Jimmy's page on my site which is found here:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/jimmyborges

Added: Thursday 15 August 2013 12:55:16 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Nick Jonas (of the Jonas Brothers - UGH!) to guest star on the show next season as a computer geek? Some articles are mentioning this guy and Carol Burnett (who will also guest star as McGarrett's aunt) in the same breath. This is an excellent demonstration of the expression "from the sublime to the ridiculous." Not only that, the Google Alerts that I have set up for Five-Zero are full of links of hype about Jonas since this was announced (double UGH!).

Added: Thursday 15 August 2013 13:56:47 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

That is a good question, H5O. I didn't keep close track of who got arrested and who didn't on the new show, but I don't think there was any episde where no one was arrested and the suspect or suspects walked off scot free, unless you count the episodes where Wo Fat got away. Does anyone remember?

Added: Thursday 15 August 2013 11:44:44 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Aw, now, I really feel guilty. Everything was rocking along real well on the Forum until I wrote about my car problems. So, I'll apologize for that. I did not mean to be a wet noodle.

On to other things: Vrinda sent me this link: findcheapbargains.com/hawaii-five-o-or-0-dvd-sales-differentiation-in-the-last-digit/ (You'll need to add http but no w's). At the end of the article, the author says he can't say which version (1.0 or 2.0) is better; they're just different. Is it not going from good to bad when a series that stresses law and order uses a format that allows the cops to break more laws than the suspects as long as arrests are made? I mean, we all know there are crooked cops in the world, but should we idolize them? For that matter, is a suspect arrested in every episode of 2.0?

Added: Thursday 15 August 2013 06:59:26 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Many thanks for the additional details about trying to preserve a vintage car in the tropics, Michael T. I know it can't be easy, and I apologize for my comment having such a snap to it. I had no right; after all, my 17-year-old Volvo 850 GLT is sitting outside, aging by the day, and is ready for restoration work that I cannot afford, at present. Work to the suspension system, alone, has been estimated at $2000, and that is after I pay $1100 to replace the timing chain and related parts. But I keep hoping. Now, as our situation begins to improve, I can take more hope that, soon, we can at least begin making those age-related repairs.

Added: Wednesday 14 August 2013 05:13:07 MST


Submitted by: Michael T
From: Palatine, IL

Rick is right-to a degree. The wheels are cast aluminum extra cost wheels, but they are common to 1976-1978 Grand Marquis and not to the 1974 Marquis. I do not know what happened to the original wheels-I never had that discussion with John. As originally equipped, and as shown on classic Five 0, the car would have had black steel wheels, JR78-15 white sidewall radial tires and extra-cost "Luxury" wheelcovers which are the heaviest wheel covers I have ever seen. The car has technically never been restored. John drove the car as a daily driver for years and made repairs as needed. He is not a professional mechanic and did the best he could. It undoubtably was a challenge finding correct parts on the rock years ago. At present, it is impossible. The vinyl top and surrounding mouldings were removed years ago probably to guard against or prevent rust from forming under the vinyl. Tropical cars have it especially rough, and can rot in some difficult-to-repair areas, and this car is no exception. The headliner may well have been removed as part of the process of keeping an eye on growing rust. A solution is to keep the car away from the ocean and rain, which is tough in Hawaii or to cut out the old damaged metal and start over. This is a tedious, tricky and expensive repair on this car. It ain't perfect. John drove the car for years and did the best he could. The car still exists and that definitely counts for something.

Added: Tuesday 13 August 2013 21:57:35 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

Michael T: Last time I was there, we camped out beginning at 3 AM and took shifts holding our ground. Got a prime spot right at the end of the red carpet on the fence. We were on TV and in the newspapers. Next time I see you, I will bring my photos.

Added: Tuesday 13 August 2013 20:33:40 MST


Submitted by: Michael T
From: Palatine, IL

Barbara, I'll keep you in mind. There may be a few opportunities before the season is over. Remember to get on the beach by about 9:00 AM to get right up to the security fence for the best view and bring your sunscren and an umbrella.

Added: Tuesday 13 August 2013 18:16:45 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

The car in the video is the one that they sometimes use in the new series and if I am not mistaken, it has been somewhat restored. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Added: Tuesday 13 August 2013 17:37:48 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Thanks, Rick. That clears up a few points.

Added: Tuesday 13 August 2013 10:09:06 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The "restored" car referred to in the YouTube description (which was written by me) is not the car depicted in the video, but the one driven by McGarrett in earlier episodes of the show, including the pilot. You can read about Michael Timothy's work in restoring the car here:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/50mercury.htm

Added: Tuesday 13 August 2013 08:50:33 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

>>>What on earth are those massive things serving as hub caps, anyway?<<< Virginia, those are the original equipment cast aluminum wheels. The reason they look different is because of the black wall tires currently on the car. McG's Merc was originally equipped with white walls. As for the YouTube description of the car being "restored" ...well, it may be restored today but it obviously was not when the video was shot.

Added: Tuesday 13 August 2013 08:13:04 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

I know the Marquis is coming up on 40 years of age, and I know it costs a king's ransom to restore a car, but I do wish John Nordlum would take the time and make the effort to maintain the Marquis. What on earth are those massive things serving as hub caps, anyway? What happened to the ceiling cloth? Hey, Nordlum! You've got an H50 treasure, there. Preserve it!

Added: Tuesday 13 August 2013 07:21:33 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

Hey Michael T. I would love to see a video of the '68. It was great to see it in person 2 years ago but the best fun was when you took me for a spin in it after the car show. Never forget it. Let me know if you are going to show it again in the Chicago area. I will be there. (By the way, I'm going back again to Hawaii next month for Season 4 premiere at Sunset on the Beach.)

Added: Monday 12 August 2013 19:55:57 MST


Submitted by: Michael T
From: Palatine, IL

That was a fun and memorable day. Should I do a video for you of the '68?

Added: Monday 12 August 2013 17:55:15 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Possibly the coolest Hawaii Five-O YouTube video of all time (LOL).

http://youtu.be/BcqTsiZgKOc

Added: Monday 12 August 2013 16:50:11 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Thanks for brief crash course in airplane history, H5. Being the daughter of an ex-commerical airlines pilot, all those terms were familiar. My dad said he watched Jack's film "Tip on a Dead Jockey" six or seven times since it premiered in 1956. The first time around, he watched it for the storyline, then the next times he saw it, it was for the aerial stunts.

Added: Monday 12 August 2013 16:36:26 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Actually, Koni, the Hawaiian Airlines jet in "We Hang Our Own" was a DC-9, introduced in 1967, was one of the smaller commercial fanjets prior to the introduction of dedicated regional aircraft; e.g., the Canadair Regional Jets. The DC-9 carried just under 100 passengers. The MD-80, MD-90, and Boeing 717 series are enlarged adaptations of the DC-9. The Series 10 is a smaller adaptation. All are known for their long, low fuselages, sweeping empennages, and T-tails. The DC-9 was the last aircraft to have its own steps to the ground, although they were wobbly and usually were not used, especially after security issues made loading and unloading on the tarmac obsolete and ushered in the jet bridge for direct aircraft-to-terminal transfers. The prefix DC was changed to MD in 1967, when the Douglas Aircraft Company merged with the McDonnell Aircraft Corporation to form McDonnell-Douglas. The DC-9 continues to be a work horse for small commercial passenger and air freight operations, much as its great-grandfather, the DC-3 has been since 1933.

Added: Monday 12 August 2013 14:44:12 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Thanks, Koni. I agree with all your points. It’s interesting how a storyline which seems so simple and straightforward on the surface, was actually more complex with all those theme. In the beginning, we think it’s Lawrence Kahela who killed Cam, and that Col. Farraday was helping himself to some vigilante justice. Farraday acted like he was living back in the wild West.

Lord showed how subdued acting can still make an impact, once again proving he was not one-dimensional as some ignoramuses have said. Nielsen, as the bad guy, had to be more front-and-center, given his cold demeanor and actions. He was the one who had to be in control of everyone and everything – his ranch, his sons, and even the town. The local sheriff snitches to him about the police coming with search warrants. That shows you how well-connected he is. The smile on the policeman’s face after he makes the call suggests he’s patting himself on the back – figuratively speaking – and has put himself in Farraday’s favor.

The girl’s name is Elissa Dulce, a real lovely ingénue who made every appearance she had on this show memorable. Too bad they didn’t bring her in as a rookie from HPD whom Five-O consults from time to time. She played a policewoman who helps with that sting to trap the rapist in "Nightmare in Blue.”

You’re right about this episode looking like a major motion picture. The landscape scenery is breathtaking and I the jumbo jet and helicopter footage practically place the viewer right there with the characters. If only the new show took advantage of the land and the different cinematographic techniques available to them, then the new show would be somewhat worth watching.

Added: Monday 12 August 2013 13:56:50 MST


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

Looks like CBS is really going to screw over the fans with this new box set - to make matters worse, there also has been a price increase at Amazon - just wait a little longer for a Blu Ray set to come out.

With no Isolated music tracks, I pass...:-(

Added: Monday 12 August 2013 13:00:47 MST


Submitted by: Koni
From: America

Re season 10.

Makes one wonder who these schmucks are who put together these boxed sets that they had to backtrack.

Seriously they didn't realize at the get go that season 10 needed remastering???

Oh well I shouldn't complain better late then never I guess.

Added: Monday 12 August 2013 12:52:27 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Update from TV Shows on DVD site:

First, the bad news: Hawaii Five-O The Complete Series has been pushed back until December 3 from the original date of November 5.

The reason for the delay is the good news; they're redoing the tenth season of the show. Fans will recall the tenth season was the only one out of the twelve seasons that wasn't remastered, and fans complained quite loudly. New transfers were done after the tenth season was released on DVD, with episodes appearing on Netflix and other download/streaming services. It sounds as though CBS will use those masters in the complete series set, which will please fans buying the new set (those new transfers will only be available in the complete series).

As for "Bored, She Hung Herself," the second season episode that hasn't been seen since the original airing... it's still not planned for the complete series set.

Taken from: http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Hawaii-Five-O-complete-series-delay/18830#ixzz2bmd2fWNG

Added: Monday 12 August 2013 12:06:37 MST


Submitted by: Koni
From: America

Vrinda. I agree We Hang Our Own is my second favorite episode.

I love the themes the show deals with, love, jealousy, betrayal, revenge, sibling rivalry. The story resembles a Greek tragedy for sure.

I also love the sweeping nature of the camera shots and the musical score too. The opening shot is really remarkable in that they had to time it to work just a the jumbo jet was about to land on the runway.

And the sparing between Lord and Nielson is just icing on the cake. I have to say Lord edges out Nielsen in the acting race here as he underplays his scenes with Nielsen beautifully whereas Nileson overplays his part a bit but I suppose this is nitpicking just a bit.

I forget her name but I also really like the girlfriend who was in several episodes of the later seasons and has a real innocent quality to her that is just endearing.

The production values make this episode look like a major motion picture not a TV series.

The producers of the new show should study this one and model their mess of a show after this classic.

Added: Monday 12 August 2013 12:04:12 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Five-O 1996 convention banquet with James MacArthur, Kam Fong, Zoulou, Mrs. Rose Freeman, Dennis Chun and more, via this page:

http://mjq.net/fiveo/96conv/Video/

Added: Sunday 11 August 2013 21:30:26 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

You're welcome, Diana. I think the summer and the night these shows were on might be a factor in the low ratings. However, if the show was still as popular as people online made it out to be, the ratings should have been higher.

I think this fall's season premier is not going to help much, either. Catherine has outstayed her welcome. There are people who like her, but there are those who don't. She's been overused and her place in the show is out of place. Having her held hostage so Steve can resue her makes this storyline more soap operish.

Added: Sunday 11 August 2013 15:56:15 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

That article dates from Thursday April 14, 2011, near the end of the new show's first season. I guess it was still moderately successful at that point. No one could then predict the ratings dive that it took in the second season and nosedive in the third. I guess you can give CBS points for their crafty salesmanship. :!cash:

Added: Sunday 11 August 2013 14:34:54 MST


Submitted by: Diana


From: I have no idea. Guess TNT believed CBS when they were saying the remake was going to be the biggest hit ever.

Here,from Deadline.

"Underscoring the dearth of repeatable new procedurals on the broadcast networks, another CBS crime drama has landed a rich cable syndication deal very early into its run. TNT has nabbed off-network rights to CBS’ freshman Hawaii Five-0 for a license fee just north of $2 million, in line with the recent record-breaking sale prices for CBS’ NCIS: LA to USA and The Mentalist to TNT. Those deals were made in November 2009, two months into NCIS: LA‘s freshman year and The Mentalist‘s second season"

And those reruns were not planned to start airing on TNT until summer 2014, but they changed that.

Added: Sunday 11 August 2013 14:13:26 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Are you saying that they paid CBS $2 million >per episode< for the new Five-O? That is total insanity. What kind of rates does TNT charge for commercials during their shows? How can they ever expect to recover this kind of outlay?

Added: Sunday 11 August 2013 13:54:13 MST


Submitted by: Diana
From: US

Thank you Vrinda. So TNT may had bought 88 episodes so far and they still have to decide about getting more. Guess a S5 will depend on that.

Mr. Mike , on TVBTN some time ago, they were making fun of Castle results on TNT, so seemms a 0.3/0.4 is not a good result either. But considering they are only paying $800.000 per episode to ABC , it is a better deal for them that the $2 million they are giving cbs. Probably the comments are because the Hawaii 50 TNT deal was one of the most expensives ones ,so the numbers of the remake are not good for that kind of money.

Added: Sunday 11 August 2013 13:45:46 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

On their "Five-0 Home Page'" [sic], TNT only lists the first 24 episodes (i.e., seasons one and two). I don't understand why Castle with a .4 rating is considered good compared to Five-0's .2!!

From http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2013/08/09/thursday-cable-ratings-alien-sharks-wins-night-pawn-stars-burn-notice-sullivan-son-graceland-project-runway-more/196515/

Thursday, Aug. 8th

Hawaii Five-0 TNT 10:00 PM 1,102,000 viewers 0.2 Adult 18-49 Rating (Live + SD)

(This is #100 in the Top 100 list.)

Some comments:

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Hawaii Five-0 :( I hope NCIS: Los Angeles will start higher !
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LMAO. Look at the crappy H50 numbers !
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Is this the first time H5O has aired on TNT? If so than thats terrible.
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Terrible numbers for Hawaii 50 . If it gets a 0.2 in the first airing, imagine the numbers after a few more airings..
I think Castle gets a 0.3 /0.4 in TNT, and they are only paying $800.000 per episode. This maybe good news for Castle, TNT may want to buy more Castle instead of H50.
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hope this mean hawaii five-o gets cancelled. chapter three was failure and if no money from tnt maybe cbs will drop it like it deserve.
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Yes ! Poor Hawaii Five-0.
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Yikes at Hawaii Five-0. They paid a fortune for it too, in one of the biggest syndication deals ever. TNT’s problems continue.
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OOPS ! A 0.2 for Hawaii 50. Wonder if TNT can dump this stinker.
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Added: Sunday 11 August 2013 12:57:56 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Hello, Diana,
Syndication rights usually mean that the network airing the show in syndication will get the rights to the first 88 episodes. The number used to be 100 and in some cases, it still is. For the new Five-0, if they go by the 88-episode mark, all of Seasons 1, 2, and 3 the first 16 episodes of Season 4 will be syndicated. I don’t know what they will do about the remaining 8 episodes of Season 4 or if the success of the show in syndication will mean a call for Season 5. If the ratings for the reruns are as bad as you indicated, then that will not bode well for the future of this syndication deal, but I don’t know the details of the contract as to whether or not everything becomes null and void. Maybe someone else has the information?

Added: Sunday 11 August 2013 12:35:13 MST


Submitted by: Diana
From: US

Hello,
I was wondering if any of you knew how many seasons of the remake TNT has bought in that syndication deal. Last Thursday the show aired the first time on syndication, on TNT. They aired 2 episodes,and they did pretty bad. On TVbythenumbers they posted the 100 Top Cable shows for that day and only one of the episodes made it into that list, and in last place of the list. It got a 0.2 demo, a very bad result, so considering the fortune TNT is paying for the show, I wonder if this will be the last season for the remake, unless TNT signed for several more seasons and they cannot break the deal.I read TNT bought Castle from ABC and it is getting a better result, 0.3/0.4 demo, and they only pay $800.000 per episode.

Added: Sunday 11 August 2013 11:14:50 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Mahalo Con program book (selected pages):

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/96conv/Program/

Added: Sunday 11 August 2013 10:01:09 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Hawaiian Knights,

I'm looking for an agent to represent these two big budget historic war scripts that I based on books that I got the rights to. Warner Brothers just shelled out seven figures for the same subject matter as mine, but they don't have a script and it may never get off the ground for them, so I'm racing to try and beat them to it on one of them. You think your agent would be willing to take on another client?

Added: Sunday 11 August 2013 09:12:02 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Here are some more videos from Mahalo Con at Burbank:

Celebrity Panel Part 1
Features Zoulou, Kam Fong and James MacArthur
http://youtu.be/T6ozMckyKMY

Celebrity Panel "Break"
The discussion got interrupted so a photographer could take some pictures in the convention's exhibit room
http://youtu.be/Wo4mnO3-ebY

Celebrity Panel Part 2
Discussion resumes, now including Sharon Farrell, Dennis Chun, and stuntman John Thorpe
http://youtu.be/ogkyPFSLyf4

Added: Saturday 10 August 2013 22:42:37 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

I just watched "We Hang Our Own," from Season 7. It was fun to seee the lush Hawaiian landscape, McGarrett and those ranchhands on horseback, the wind blowing through McGarrett's hair, and Danno looking all eager to book Jay Farraday when Jay points the rifle at everyone.

When Steve took that stray rock and threw it with all his might, demonstrating how far the murderer might have flung the rock he used to kill Cam, he showed such enthusiasm and for just a simple task. He made throwing a stone across a field look interesting. That's talent.

Added: Saturday 10 August 2013 21:47:41 MST


Submitted by: HawaiianKnightsSaga
From: Honolulu Hi

My Agent is shopping around my screenplay/teleplay novels for a Magnum PI movie remake... Lets see what happens! :!cool:

Added: Saturday 10 August 2013 21:42:46 MST


Submitted by: Koni
From: America

Mike thanks for all these links.

Just watched the Swiss Family Robinson and Macarthur does many of his own stunts including one where he swings from one rope over a pond and in mid air latches onto another rope until he reaches a small cliff where he lets go.

It was odd hearing the other characters calling him Fritz, I kept thinking to myself it is Dano!!!

Added: Saturday 10 August 2013 15:14:51 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Another file from the Five-O convention in Burbank:

http://fiveohomepage.com/96conv/Video/break.html

Although most of this has views of the rear of people standing around, there is something funny. It looks like Sharon Farrell didn't recognize James MacArthur when she first showed up, and suddenly she freaks out, realizing it is him.

Added: Saturday 10 August 2013 13:19:29 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I figured out there is a better way to deal with these videos. Instead of putting them directly on my site, which means that -- because they are Flash videos -- people can't watch them on some devices like Iphones, I have created an account for my site on YouTube where I can upload these files. You can see the results of this here with this latest file:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/96conv/Video/bts-memorabilia.html

Added: Friday 09 August 2013 19:48:51 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Here's a quotation from Tom Selleck, explaining why he refused a cameo in the one-time proposed film adaptation of "Magnum P.I.":

"I tell you what worries me -- because I love 'Magnum' and we have loyal fans -- is they take these TV show titles, and they buy them and they spend $100 million on special effects, and then they make fun of them and trivialize it."

Sound familiar?

Added: Friday 09 August 2013 18:26:35 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Not only that, Vrinda, but Kam wasn't the only detective who wanted more air time. So did Zulu. Possibly JMac, too. So, if all three had received the additional air time they requested, when would they have had time for...what? Commercials? On second thought, maybe they should have given the detectives more air time. LOL

As Vrinda pointed out, there was a good system of checks and balances, considering Freeman Productions, CBS, and the Hawai'i team. No one could have made a move without the others knowing about it and having an opportunity to do something about it.

Added: Friday 09 August 2013 17:55:37 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Thanks for the second video, Mike.

Interesting, because when I listened to Kam talking, he said, "I think Jack kinda frowned upon it." That means that's what he thought, not what happened.

Given that the scripts went through Leonard Freeman in LA, the writers were all on the mainland, and he (Freman) would go over them with Henry Colman - who would give his feedback on them (this is from an interview with the Archive of American Television)- the decisions on which ones to choose would have been theirs - as well the act of editing them.

The directors would also make decisions on what to cut out, if they were running low on time or other factors kept them from shooting whichever scenes were planned. That is common practice on all TV shows.

If Jack wanted to fix things so Kam as not "used more often," he'd have to rewrite the scripts, of which there is no evidence. Given the screentime needed for the guest stars, bit players, and semi-regulars alone, the main cast members time was limited to begin with. If Freeman sent Jack scripts where Kam got more screentime, only to have Jack change them around, Freeman would not have kept quiet about it.

Added: Friday 09 August 2013 16:38:08 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I have just uploaded another video which features Dennis Chun (Kam Fong's son) and Ron Feinberg, who starred in 3 episodes: Pray love remember, pray love remember; No bottles ... no cans ... no people: and Little girl blue

This discussion, which is pretty interesting, has sound which is relatively good.

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/96conv/Video/

Added: Friday 09 August 2013 16:20:42 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I just watched in that video Kam Fong stating that Lenny (Freeman) wanted to use him more in the show but Jack "kinda frowned upon it".

Hmmm... I guess this means that either Kam Fong is lying or is having memory problems, eh? ;)

Added: Friday 09 August 2013 13:16:54 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Thanks, Mike.

There is no jerky quality. You do have to turn the sound up quite a bit when Kam and Zulu are talking, but not when Karen is talking. Then, I have to turn the volume lower. Maybe that is because she was directly in front of the microphone, while Kam and Zulu were not. There was some sound problem a few minutes in, then some white streaks.

Added: Friday 09 August 2013 11:28:59 MST


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

Composer John Cacavas NEVER captured the spirit of the FIVE-0 sound in his scores - they were VERY weak in my opinion.

If there was ever a CD box set released of the music from FIVE-0, I would like to see Stevens, Broughton, Ray & Shores featured on the CDs - any Cacavas music would botch the set - again, my opinion.

Hey, Mike - any chance we could see this set in the future? It is LONG overdue...:-(

Added: Friday 09 August 2013 10:27:18 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I have posted some video from the 1996 Mahalo Con convention which took place in Burbank and Honolulu.

I would appreciate it if people could view these videos and let me know if they play back normally or they have kind of a "jerky" quality to them.

You can either post about this here, or e-mail me by clicking on this link.

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/96conv/Video

Added: Friday 09 August 2013 10:08:24 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I'm enjoying watching MAGNUM PI these days. I saw the 7th season episode with Frank Sinatra a little while ago and was totally blown away by it! It was titled "Laura". Brilliant performance by Blue Eyes and a very emotional story. The ending was something like a cross between MAGNUM and MIAMI VICE with the Genesis song "Tonight Tonight Tonight" playing as Frankie searches for his granddaughter's rapist.

I have also seen the 10th season Five-0 episode "Shake Hands with the Man on the Moon" on Netflix (nicely remastered) - it's an episode that I always liked. When I looked at Mr. Mike's review I couldn't believe how much he hated the score by John Cacavas. Personally I thought it was a very good score - particularly during the scenes with James Wainwright and Kwan Hi Lim as they ride through that beautiful piece of country on horses. It had a really good western/adventure sound to it. And I also really liked the patriotic score for Wainwright. He was a fallen hero and the score reminded us of his glory days. I really didn't hear anything wretched in the score. Sure, it's no Stevens or Shores or Ray but it's still pretty solid. Do you have a dislike for Cacavas Five-0 music in general, Mr. Mike? I'll need to hear more of his stuff as I make my way through seasons 10 and 11. Eventually.

Oh, and Christina Hart was a babe!!

Added: Friday 09 August 2013 09:18:51 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

To revive a week-old discussion: To while away the summer hiatus, C and I are watching "Jesse Stone" episodes.

Tom Selleck plays a small-town police chief who solves murder mysteries. The story is set in a small community in Massachusetts, known as Paradise. Well, it's not Paradise as Thomas Sullivan Magnum knew it, but there's still no shortage of gorgeous scenery. In some ways, the laid-back Stone comes across like a 60-something Magnum. Gone, of course, is the red Ferrari, sad to say, but Stone does have a golden retriever that seems to have the wisdom of the sages and the patience of Job. Stone has better luck with the ladies than Magnum had; in fact, he's still in love with his ex-wife.

Added: Thursday 08 August 2013 19:15:31 MST


Submitted by: Koni
From: America

If they remaster season 10 I will probably buy it, I knew they would come out with this set at some point so I did not buy any seasons.

Carol Burnett is probably the only legend that could make me watch a show I despise. Heck she could sit and read from a phone book and I would watch.

Added: Thursday 08 August 2013 11:16:36 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

This 12-season FIVE-0 set definitely looks appealing! Very nice looking product! But I'll probably hold off. No, make that WILL DEFINITELY HOLD OFF. Otherwise what will I do with the 9 seasons that I already own? Sure, I know, I could sell them. But nah, it's not worth it.

I'd be more inclined to purchase the Bond 50 Blu-Ray set (hey, it's Blu-Ray!). That's another fantastic looking product! But I already own the 4 volumes of the Ultimate Edition DVDs that came out in 2006. So even here I'm inclined to hold off. At least for the time being.

Added: Thursday 08 August 2013 10:59:36 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

I'd say just show up and bring a sidedish. We know Steve will bring the chicken cacciatore and spaghetti sauce, and Danno will bring his honey barbecue sauce. There's got to be some variety!

Added: Thursday 08 August 2013 09:24:00 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

I hope Auntie Carol remembers to invite the "real" Steve, Danno, Chin Ho, and Kono (JL, JMac, Kam, and Zulu). If she wants a really BIG 'ohana gathering, she will want to include Ben, Duke, Moe, et al. Chin's uncle can provide the saimin. Something tells me that Kono, Ben, Duke, and Moe could roast a real fine pig in the imu.

Say, how does one wangle an invitation to this dinner?

Added: Thursday 08 August 2013 07:04:26 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I predict for the Thanksgiving show, there will not be a crime of the week. Instead, the "family" (McGarrett's and the "ohana" from Five-O) will just sit around, drinking various Hawaiian microbrews, yelling at each other.

By the way, there is a thread at IMDB about the old show, whether some episodes should be rated "Mature," such as 24 Karat Kill where you can supposedly see Marj Dusay's ass (this is not true, a friend checked a hi-def broadcast and reported back "I can verify she is definitely wearing light-colored underwear and what seem to be pantyhose.")

I think some episodes should be rated "M" for "Manure."

I won't say which episodes from which show, though, since there are shitty episodes (no pun intended) in both the new and old series. ;)

Added: Wednesday 07 August 2013 17:39:29 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

It seems the writers can't decide if they want a cop show or a family drama. So far, it looks like the actual crimes Five-0 investigates are incidental and the personal storylines - Doris, Wo Fat, Danny and Grace, his love life, Kono and Adam - are getting more and more attention and everything else is used as filler, when there isn't a cargument or a scene where they're toasting each other with beers after a case is over.

Added: Wednesday 07 August 2013 17:09:02 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Five-O Undercover provides scoop on some of the guest stars to appear on the show this season.

http://www.50undercover.com/2013/08/06/cbs-teases-five-0-guest-stars-and-season-premiere-spoilers/

And as I sort of predicted, Carol Burnett will play McGarrett's aunt (shades of Helen Hayes in the original show):

As per TV Guide’s Mega Buzz column, "Recently announced guest star Carol Burnett will play McGarrett’s aunt, who comes to Oahu with a secret plan to reunite the entire clan for Thanksgiving.” As Steve, sister Mary Ann (Taryn Manning) and mother Doris (Christine Lahti) don’t really seem to constitute a "clan,” it seems likely that Burnett’s character will dredge up additional "family” members to take part in her Thanksgiving extravaganza. Odds are good that Steve’s adopted family — Danny, Grace, Chin, Kono, Catherine, Kamekona — will find places around that table.

Added: Wednesday 07 August 2013 16:44:22 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

I hope they will come through for us. This is all excellent material that we won't want to miss.

Added: Wednesday 07 August 2013 12:46:58 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I have e-mailed people at CBS Home Entertainment regarding this complete DVD box set as follows:

I'm wondering if any consideration will be given to releasing the bonus material separately for those people who have already purchased the entire series season by season?

I don't know if the contents of this set are written in stone yet, but there are other items which might be included, either in the box set, or in a separate release:

Glen Campbell Goodtime Hour (CBS show, Tuesday October 19th, 1971), stars Jack Lord, set in Hawaii
M Station Hawaii (1980 TV pilot, supposedly distributed by CBS)
Hawaii Five-O unaired TV pilot from 1997 starring James MacArthur, Gary Busey, etc.

There are also outtakes from one of the episodes which were found on a U-Matic tape purchased by someone after Jack Lord's estate was auctioned on Ebay.

Added: Wednesday 07 August 2013 12:00:43 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

The comments under the Amazon listing aren't very complimentary re: CBS coming out with this for about $250 after we shelled out on average $420 ($35 x 12) for the individual seasons. I happen to agree, especially since we did not receive the extra material that is being included with the complete set. Should we petition CBS to offer the extra material as a single set that we can buy? I'm game.

Added: Wednesday 07 August 2013 11:11:15 MST


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

The new complete DVD set that is coming out looks like the DVD's are going into cardboard sleeves that might scratch the discs - also, it is kind of high in price.

I would consider purchasing this set only if it featured "Isolated" music scores, like on THE TWILIGHT ZONE or THRILLER box sets.

I'm not that interested, but who else is?

Just curious...:)

Added: Wednesday 07 August 2013 10:45:12 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Well, here is a quick answer regarding whether or not Bored She Hung Herself will be included, from the TV Shows on DVD WWW site. The answer is NO, by the way.

UPDATE (8/7): Sources at the studio have informed us that the missing-from-The 2nd Season episode, "Bored, She Hung Herself ," will NOT be found on The Complete Series set. At this time we assume that the on-disc content of all episodes for The Complete Series DVDs will be the exact same versions as in the individual season sets; if we find out otherwise in any other way (for instance, regarding the remastering of the tenth season), then we will let everybody know.

By the way, the reason JM's name appears before JL's in the listing for the complete set is probably similar to why sometimes you will find the name of an obscure director in the "credits" area which takes precedence over someone like a star whose name you would expect to see there first. If this is troubling, you want to contact Amazon about this, I'm sure it just has to do with the way the credits for the show were entered and/or sorted.

Added: Wednesday 07 August 2013 10:33:27 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

I think it's just the way they wrote it. Many of these people who write descriptions for films and TV shows are people who have not seen them and don't know who is who in the cast. When I read descriptions of classic films on my cable provider's programming grid, the descriptions sometimes list actors who had small roles in the film and omit the stars who had larger parts. Chalk this on up to the description writer maybe not knowing who played the lead role and who played the seconadary lead role and just put their names in any order.

Added: Wednesday 07 August 2013 10:26:16 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Why does JMac's name come before JL's in the Amazon listing for the 73-pack?

Added: Wednesday 07 August 2013 04:11:00 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

>>> Hawaii Five-O Syndication Sales Reel - no idea what this is, I bet it's on YouTube somewhere <<<

You've seen it ...posted and discussed here a few years ago. And yes ...it's on YouTube.

Added: Tuesday 06 August 2013 22:48:19 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

This "complete" box set is supposedly 73 DVDs. The original "complete set" made up of all the individual box sets of 12 seasons was 72 discs.

There is no mention whether they are including the Emme documentary from the first season box set. The pilot is probably included, but the reason the Emme show was there was to fill out the 7 discs making up the first season. Without the pilot, there are 23 episodes, of which one -- Once Upon a Time -- is a 2-hour show, a total of 24 hours. The pilot is 1-1/2 hours, making 25-1/2, plus the Emme show. (The first season originally ended with a rebroadcast of the pilot episode broken up into two parts.)

If "Bored" is included, which I doubt, that will cause problems, because there will then be 25 hours of material for the second season, and CBS does not like to put more than 4 episodes on a single disc. No matter which way they deal with this, it will require redoing all the discs in the season from Bored on (it is 10 from the end). It might require an extra disc, which would involve spreading out the episodes towards towards the end of the season with an arrangement like 3/4/3, or filling out these discs with extra material.

But if they do this, and they keep all the material from season one, they are already up to 73 discs!

The "bonus features" mentioned so far are as follows:

- Hawaii Now: Hawaii Five-O (archival behind the scenes documentary) - this was a PBS production, 30 min. long, features Leonard Freeman and others
- Hawaii Five-O Syndication Sales Reel - no idea what this is, I bet it's on YouTube somewhere
- Jack Lord on The Mike Douglas Show (1/1969) - if they are featuring the entire show, it's about 90 minutes long
- "In the Winners' Circle" 1968 CBS fall preview show - no idea what this is

All of the above could fit on a single disc. There is other stuff that they could include like M Station Hawaii and the pilot for the 1997 remake of Five-O starring Gary Busey (a.k.a. "The Buddy Haole Story").

This release has only been in the news for a single day, and there are already three VERY negative reviews at Amazon (see the link in Jeff's posting below).

I'll see if I can find out more information about this new release.

Added: Tuesday 06 August 2013 19:29:51 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

As he nears the edge of the boat and dives, his hair flies out in the back. Not many people have their hair cut so that it will do that, but Jack did. Maybe it was Jack??? Has he left us with yet another mystery to solve??? :!cool:

Added: Tuesday 06 August 2013 18:33:26 MST


Submitted by: Jeff
From: Denver

Today's big news: The Complete Series release of HAWAII FIVE-O on DVD (sadly, not Blu-ray)...

http://bit.ly/13Ey4Vi

SRP is $350, Amazon has the pre-order on sale for $245. Due 11/5. 73 discs (including a bonus disc filled with new extra material).

3 questions:
1. Will it have "Bored, She Hung Herself" since it claims to have every episode? (My guess: Hell no!)

2. Will it have the 1997 pilot? (My guess: Hell no!)

3. Will it have the remastered Season 10 transfers that Netflix has, instead of the crappy transfers in the original Season 10 DVDs? (My guess: it's a safe bet they hopefully will).

I also predict they will feature the pilot for the 2010 series, and possible the Season 3 "Hookman" remake with Peter Weller.

I LOVE the packaging shown in the description. Absolutely gorgeous, a nice collector's item. Looks similar to the James Bond 50th anniversary Blu-ray set.

Added: Tuesday 06 August 2013 17:32:39 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Thanks, Koni.

I noticed when I first saw that scene that it was Jack. I didn't notice the different shoes in the first part, or if it was someone other than Jack. I'd have to see that again.

Added: Tuesday 06 August 2013 17:18:05 MST


Submitted by: Koni
From: America

Mr Mike. I noticed though that the opening flashback is not the same take just from another angle because the shoes on the man going into the water are the same as the ones you see in close up while he is running on the boat wheras the second scene 1hr 2 min mark the shoes are the same thru the entire sequence, IE Lor'd dressy pointy shoes, you can see them as he hits the water.

BTW is the debate here over if it is Lord in the 1hr 2 min mark scene or if the scene was shot in Hong Kong VS Oahu?

Added: Tuesday 06 August 2013 15:37:28 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

There is actually another version of the scene where McGarrett (JL) jumps off the boat, in the teaser for the show at the beginning. This appears to be filmed from JL's right, but it looks like it is just a flopped version of what appears at the 62 minute mark (mentioned below).

Added: Tuesday 06 August 2013 15:28:26 MST


Submitted by: Koni
From: America

Vrinda if you watch the second scene @ 1hr 2 min you will see it is JL. The first is debatable.

Added: Tuesday 06 August 2013 10:17:54 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

So was that John Nordlum doing the dive?

Jack's hair being thin when wet is not unusual. Hair - no matter how thick it is or how much you have on your head - will look thinner when wet because wet hair closes the cuticles and makes it look flatter. I have thick, curly hair, and when it's wet, you can see my scalp. When it dries, it goes back to being thick and my scalp can't be seen. Jack had slighly wavy hair, but not too wavy, so when wet, it would not look as full.

Added: Monday 05 August 2013 18:13:27 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Koni, you are correct, there are two versions of this scene, one at the beginning of the show (the flashback) and the second in the middle. I am still skeptical that JL would have dived into Hong Kong harbour once, let alone twice. I'm sure it was filmed in Honolulu, at least the parts involving him escaping off the boat and being rescued (the close-up shots).

Added: Monday 05 August 2013 16:02:38 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Added via main page -- TV Guide tributes to Jack Lord:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/images/jl-tvg-1.jpg
http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/images/jl-tvg-2.jpg

Richard Denning also died in 1998 on October 11th. His brief mention says "Best known as Governor >Philip Grey< on Hawaii Five-O..."

Added: Monday 05 August 2013 15:37:50 MST


Submitted by: Koni
From: America

Mike the opening could have been a stunt man or could be JL, I was actually talkning about the second time this scene is shown at 1 hr and 2 minutes into the episode.

They chose to show 2 different takes for this scene, the second one is without a doubt JL. I tis one continuous shot of him running then diving into the ocean with no cuts and the angle ios from the side whereas the first one is from the back.

Added: Monday 05 August 2013 14:48:16 MST


Submitted by: Koni
From: America

Gee I rewatched it several times frame by frame and I see Lord's face the entire sequence up until he hits the water. There is no cut from the time he starts running to the point where he hits the water, it looks pretty obvious to me that it is indded Lord.

There is another episode in I think season 2 where he is int eh water and it is obviously him, they could have used a double but they didn't.

Added: Monday 05 August 2013 11:58:13 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I agree with Drol, I seriously doubt that JL would have jumped into Hong Kong's polluted harbor. If you subject this sequence to extreme anal-ysis, it is obvious that it is a stunt man who lands in the water. Later when JL is at the side of Suzie's boat, you can never see the full harbor behind him, it's always closeups, so it's quite possible that this was filmed close to the docks or even in a swimming pool somewhere. Times in the following are from the ninth season DVD.

2:20 - shot of Hong Kong junks, pans right to mast of boat
2:28 - shot from behind McG, McG throws chains aside, starts to climb up on back of boat (probably not JL, cannot see his full face)
2:32 - McG grabs mast, climbs up on back of boat (this is JL), crosses in front of camera
2:45 - closeup of McG's shoes, crosses in front of camera, leaps off boat (undetermined who this is)
2:47 - side shot of McG leaping off boat with arms extended, this is JL (but he does not hit the water, probably landed on a mattress below)
2:49 - rear shot as McG continues leaping off boat, lands in water (unlikely this is JL), camera zooms in on the water where McG landed
2:57 - rear shot as McG swims away from the boat (unlikely this is JL)
3:04 - rear shot of Suzie looking across water, she sees McG far away, she tells father and points across to where McG is
3:24 - closeup of McG in water, this is JL
3:28 - Suzie walks across to edge of boat, McG is NOT in background
3:32 - closeup of McG in water, this is JL
3:36 - view from behind Suzie, McG in background (cannot see details, head is below water level*
3:40 - closeup of Suzie's father, he crosses in front of camera, goes to edge of boat to help
3:44 - closeup of JL in water, he moves closer to boat, Suzie and father help him out of water
3:51 - closeup of JL being brought out of water, if you look carefully, you will see that JL's hair is not particularly thick
3:59 - closeup of JL as he lays down on Suzie's boat and recovers from his ordeal
4:10 - cross-fade as Suzie's boat goes back to shore

*This scene should be subjected to anal-ysis from a hi-def broadcast to see if who is in the water can be recognized

Added: Monday 05 August 2013 08:57:20 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

I did notice the change of shoes. Those are the same shoes that the stunt double wore when battling John Mala in "Run, Johnny, Run". They did an outstanding job of making it look like JL was making that dive, though.

Added: Monday 05 August 2013 08:22:07 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Pittsburgh

After his divorce from Barbara Eden, Michael Ansara was married to Beverly Kushida, who survives him. Ms. Kushida was Lani in "A Touch of Guilt." I could never picture the tough guy Manoa from "Death Is a Company Policy" with the sweet, tortured soul Lani!

Added: Monday 05 August 2013 08:09:45 MST


Submitted by: drol
From: texas

Did anyone notice the change in shoes when McG is on the boat? If you watch closely you can tell a double dived off the boat. They would not let a star do that stunt. drol

Added: Monday 05 August 2013 07:40:25 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

"Once Upon a Time,” "Nine Dragons,” and "Man in a Steel Frame” especially showcase Jack’s talents. That Jack could run and jump off the boat, swim for a distance, and come out looking half-dead and battered showed he wasn’t a snob. It was heart-wrenching to see him being tortured. The way he screamed when he saw those hallucinated snakes was terrifying.

I correspond with a lady who was friends with Jack. She met him in 1964, and met him again when she moved to Hawaii in 1983. She worked as a radio talent scout and saw Jack at many charity events. She said Jack was very sweet, gentle, and kind.

She told me that Jack was nearly nominated for an Emmy. Jack did not get enough votes to be one of the top 3 finalists for nomination. Votes for nominees come from other actors, directors, producers, etc. Actors can also vote for themselves. Jack didn’t vote for himself. She said he didn’t believe in it. Others voted for him, but the votes were not enough and put him in 4th or 5th place.

Added: Sunday 04 August 2013 20:21:48 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

I agree about the Emmy nomination, Koni. In fact, I think there are several episodes for which he should have been nominated, including "Once Upon a Time", "The Ninety-Second War", and "Man in a Steel Frame".

For that matter, he might well have been noted for his performance as Coaley Tobin in "Man of the West" and for his bring-down-the-house performance as Brick in Broadway's "Cat on a Hot Tin Roof". I'm sure he was outstanding in "The Traveling Lady" for which he won the Theatre World Award the year before, but a tip of the hat for "Cat" would have been nice.

Added: Sunday 04 August 2013 18:48:21 MST


Submitted by: LeftCoaster67
From: Vancouver BC

The new show's writing and directing is shall I say...bad. They try to update old episode plots and fail miserably. There's little character development. And for a Special Investigation Unit, there's a lot of paranoia, and mistrust amongst the team. Which makes you wonder how it could function in the first place?

The Star Trek office set bugs me. We're supposed to learn the details of the case so it can get solved. Not look at interactive menus, and near holographic screens. I would have preferred them just to have new characters, carrying on the work of the old team. Bikini's are nice, but it doesn't deflect the fact the show is uninspired and is all show, no go.

Added: Sunday 04 August 2013 19:17:20 MST


Submitted by: Koni
From: America

9 Dragons. If JL was the prima dona so many portray him as it was not evident in front of the camera on this great episode.

His appearance in the scenes where he is escaping on the boat in the ocean really de-glamorized him to the point that he looks about 10 years older then he was.

He also did at least one rather dangerous looking stunt where he runs the length of the boat and takes a flying leap into the ocean, no stunt double here.

He should have been at least nominated for an Emmy for this particular episode, such a shame that he wasn't.

Added: Sunday 04 August 2013 16:15:30 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Jack's role as producer in terms of creative, business, and technical aspects as a producer traditionally does is evident. If he owned a part of the show, that should be a matter of record.

If all this control was in Jack's mind, then who was really in control? There were many statements Jack made over the years which showed his mindset and what he knew of his role.

If he took credit for work he never did, then it’s strange how none of the people who did the work ever came forward.

Most of the crew were Teamsters and could have walked off if Jack behaved that way. AFTRA could have done an investigation if he was mistreating actors. They will investigate based on rumors and not wait for an official complaint. A crew of 150 people was powerless against one person, plus some 2000+ actors who worked on the show were all terrorized by Jack? The show would not have made it to even one year on the air if that was the case.

Added: Saturday 03 August 2013 22:26:06 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Jack and his estate haven't been drawn into the lawsuits, because he sold his interest in the show after the series ended. Similarly, Jack owned 25% of "Stoney Burke." Such is not unusual. Actors also form their own production companies. Jack's Lord & Lady Enterprises sold several scripts to Universal and produced "M Station: Hawaii". James Garner's Cherokee Productions produced "The Rockford Files," etc. Rock Hudson's Gibraltar Pictures was co-producer of John Frankenheimer's "Seconds," etc. Johnny Depp's Infinitum Nihil made "Dark Shadows" and "The Lone Ranger", etc.

Inasmuch as Freeman Productions created and owns the H50 franchise, it seems highly unlikely that Rose Freeman had no idea that a remake was in the works. When she died, her daughter, Robin Freeman Bernstein, said that H50 had been Rose's reason for getting up in the morning.

Added: Saturday 03 August 2013 18:48:03 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I've been having an e-mail discussion with someone over whether or not Jack Lord had "an interest" in the show. This issue has been debated around quite a bit, never with any proof as far as I can recall. This person had a close connection with the old show.

Here are some excerpts from our correspondence:

Jack Lord never owned any part of the show. He may have had some kind of profit-sharing agreement with Rose Freeman herself, but he never had an actual stake in the show, contrary to what so many rabid fans love to assert.

In all the negotiations and renegotiations and court cases and stuff that's gone on the last few years over who owns the rights to what, have we ever seen one word of mention that anybody had to deal with Marie or Jack's estate or anything even close to that? Hell, no, because he DIDN'T HAVE AN OWNERSHIP ROLE IN THE SHOW.

Yes, he had a lot of latitude and he was such a PITA that CBS pretty much just let him run rampant out there in the Hawaiian boondocks because that was easier than trying to rein him in and as long as the show was earning decent ratings they didn't really give a rat's ass; but gawdamighty, how people get from that to Jack was the heart and soul and financial protector and everything from scriptwriter to camera operator to gopher to casting director to post-production supervisor is beyond me!

I know Jack stuck his nose in all over the place and made most people's lives miserable, but HE DIDN'T OWN ANY PART OF THE SHOW and he was nobody's boss! Whatever "control" he gained happened after Lenny Freeman's death -- and was all in Jack's mind anyway.

I think all this confusion comes from the fact that Jack did have a contract that gave him a back end on the show. Those were very rare in those days. Jack also loved to paint himself as a much more important figure than he actually was. And he was such a bear to deal with that most people just let him have his little fantasy if it made him a bit less of a bear. If you look back, I think you'll see that all those references to "my partner, Lenny, and I ..." didn't start until Lenny had passed away.

[From a later e-mail]

By the way, when the new show was announced as a definite thing, the pilot was about to be filmed, etc., etc., Rose Freeman was very unhappy because she had never heard a word about the show's revival. Nobody had contacted her at all. She was all steamed up and ready to go call the law.

[Obviously someone must have kissed and made up with her, because executive producer Peter Lenkov made out in various postings that he and Mrs. Freeman were good pals. - MQ]

Added: Saturday 03 August 2013 18:02:04 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Time Warner has turned off CBS on their cable feed. CBS is annoyed. This is the actual headline on the article in the Guardian in the UK:

CBS suffers Time Warner Cable blackout as TV feud deepens

Three million cable subscribers no longer have access to shows including Hawaii Five-0 due to dispute over fees

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/aug/03/cbs-time-warner-cable-blackout

Added: Saturday 03 August 2013 17:52:09 MST


Submitted by: Koni
From: America

And Barbara Eden still looks great esp for a 70 something.

Added: Saturday 03 August 2013 12:15:35 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

Ansara had a little better luck with the ladies in real life. He had been married to the insanely babely Barbara Eden!

Added: Friday 02 August 2013 22:30:43 MST


Submitted by: Savannagh Ryane
From: Vancouver, BC

Love the show! Only one criticism, that is with Kono's boots. Same boots every episode and the look ridiculous. Lets get it better this season!

Added: Friday 02 August 2013 22:30:38 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

You're Right Mike ...I get those two mixed up. I stand by my Wikipedia rant though. Laraine Stephens doesn't have a Wiki page but if she did there would probably be no mention of her three appearances on Five-O either

Added: Friday 02 August 2013 20:10:35 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Both the New York Times and Hollywood Reporter obituaries made mention of Ansara's participation in Five-O.

Added: Friday 02 August 2013 20:01:28 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

Five-O gets no respect on Wikipedia... a quick check of Michael Ansara shows no mention of it. His Five-O co-star Ann Francis' Wiki page shows nothing either. And her Forbidden Plant co-star Leslie Nielsen's page ...nothing. Pretty sad.

Added: Friday 02 August 2013 18:40:09 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Ektually, the dame in Ansara's episode was Laraine Stephens. She played Manoa's sexy but bitchy accountant "Miss Simpson." When Manoa tries to persuade her to join him in a dip in his pool, calling her "Miss Ice Cube," she resists and he says, "Put the numbers away and think about me as a man." She replies, "I already have, and I became violently ill."

Anne Francis was in #233, When Does a War End? -- one of the very worst episodes.

Added: Friday 02 August 2013 18:28:20 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

Michael Ansara putting the moves on Ann Francis to take swim... and she rejects him with that classic Five-O dialogue ...lol. Priceless. He made a big impression with his one appearance. Another one bites the dust.

Added: Friday 02 August 2013 18:06:59 MST


Submitted by: Joekido

http://monguntiacum.blogspot.ca/

I wrote this article. I am surprised someone finally took notice of this. I have no plans to update further due to my computer not in a favoriteble condition but I will update it when the time is right

Added: Friday 02 August 2013 14:04:23 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Michael Ansara has died at age 91:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/michael-ansara-star-trek-kang-dies-598786

He played the thuggish Piro Manoa who, along with über-organization Bryce Halsey, attempted to create the impression of corruption in Five-O and D.A. John Manicote's team, both of which were investigating him.

Added: Friday 02 August 2013 13:26:39 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I was doing some Five-O searching on Google and ran across the following WWW pages and threads, which you might want to investigate to kill some time while waiting for the next season (or not waiting!):

http://monguntiacum.blogspot.ca/

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http://dfmw.wordpress.com/2010/11/18/hawaii-five-o/

The original show was spectacular in so many ways. In all those ways that make the new show boring. The premise for the show was a Leonard Freeman stroke of genius. Show us the crime at the begining without revealing the actual criminals. C.S.I. Miami is the closest to that style and very well done with the Horatio Caine character making the closing statement. So, why are we not getting the same product for the new Hawaii Five-O? How are the new generation of kids going to get smart if we don’t show them smart television. Turning Hawaii Five-O into a version of Fast and Furious is not the solution. A remake is to be a remake not just a re-title.

Steve McGarret would walk into the room and everybody would listen. As a viewer you weren’t privy to his detective reasoning until the program closure. Mr. McGarret would then end the scene with a book-em Dano. Lovely indeed. Nobody questioned the commanding presence of Steve McGarret. In fact you would wait for him to walk into the room and say something spectacularly intelligent and observant which only his detective reasoning could conceptualize. Sometimes we would applaud aloud in front of the televison. Who commands that kind of respect any more?

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http://debrief.commanderbond.net/topic/36144-book-him-danno-hawaii-5-o-on-dvd/

(This is a long thread, 14 pages.)

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http://www.boneyardmedia.com/?p=1609

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http://kenlevine.blogspot.ca/2011/10/why-hawaii-5-0-is-big-fucking-mess.html

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http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/topic/3198190-hawaii-five-0-2010-get-your-shave-ice-here/

An EXTREMELY long thread, almost 300 pages.

Added: Friday 02 August 2013 13:03:45 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

Wow...I periodically checked to see if this site was back up and I was glad when I saw it again. However, there just seems to be a lot of delight once again in bashing the new series. It kinda gets old and tiresome. I do love reading the posts about the original series though and will at least come back to read those. Glad you're back, Mr. Mike.

Added: Friday 02 August 2013 12:54:48 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"CBS boasts Keith Power & Brian Tyler won a BMI TV Music Award for their Five-0 music. WTF?!?"

:D Best laugh I had all year! What they've given us can't even be called music. Just droning noise in the background. Their stuff makes the "music" in those awful TRANSFORMERS movies sound like Mozart in comparison.

Added: Friday 02 August 2013 09:27:39 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

CBS boasts Keith Power & Brian Tyler won a BMI TV Music Award for their Five-0 music. WTF?!? But it's not a solo prize, so did 40 others! What a joke.

http://www.imdb.com/event/ev0000106/

Added: Friday 02 August 2013 09:13:45 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

It's not clear how many of these guest stars and to-be-recurring stars are going to be in the first episode of the upcoming season.

Having so many major actors in a single episode means they will not be getting a lot of screen time. In S02E04, there were three such actors. Patty Duke appeared three times for about 2:26 total, Peter Fonda twice for about 1:37 and Don Stroud twice for about 1:51!

I' m wondering about Carol Burnett's upcoming appearance, since she was not a guest star on the original show. I wonder if she will be Danno's "Aunt Carol," with a plot similar to the episode where James MacArthur's mom, Helen Hayes appeared (one of the best of the old shows)? I'm sure that if this was the case, "Blabby" Lenkov would have dropped this spoiler already.

Added: Friday 02 August 2013 08:51:08 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

LOL!!!....and the first time kono is shown she will be in a bikini too. In fact to save the show from being axed, I wouldn't be surprised to see more women in more bikinis than any television show in recent history. As Seinfeld once said...."not that there is anything wrong with that!"

It's great to see Carol Burnett back though. She was such a pleasure when she had her show on every week back in the good old days!

Added: Friday 02 August 2013 06:54:13 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Yet again, someone thinks the new show should follow 1.0's lead and let the team come first and romance stay in the backstory / background. Ooh rah!

As for me, I'm just doing what the man said: I don't watch it.

Added: Friday 02 August 2013 03:00:15 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1600194/board/thread/217704591

dax333

A Cath centered episode to open the season..yeah that will draw back the viewers. LOL

Let me guess what she is wearing when she's taken hostage..a bikini..

And really what magic trick will Steve pull out of his head this time to get himself and Wo fat out of a locked room with just one door, with a full swat team outside and hostiles attacking.

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saraflo93

Haha! I always wonder if she owns anything but bikinis and camo. I don't hate her so I don't mind it but Apparently people already complained because Peter Lenkov tweeted something like relax everyone one scene does not make an entire episode. He used a lot of capital letters too.

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dax333

Well this coming from the man who told fans to stop watching if they don't like it..don't mind if I don't give anything he says credibility. The man only takes notice of opinions from people who call him Boss and kiss his ass pretty much 24/7. He can't take criticism, give him that and he gets annoyed and tells you to stop watching.

If he want people not to complain he should have released another spoiler because he knows fully well that a big portion of the fandom hates Cath's guts and rather sees her written out, or sees her as a useless character, who's only use is to parade around half naked and nothing else not to mention that has been forced down our throats the last season. Plus last season was the Steve and Cath show. This season we were hoping to see the old H50 back again, where the team matters, and love interests are the back story. Not like last season that it was all about Steve and his F-buddy. Then if you release spoilers like this don't be surprised if half the fandom is dissapointed that the first new episode of the season seems to be the same old same old like last season.

It's bad enough that Grace will be missing for a portion of the season, then get a spoiler like this, and he wonders why people get angry. LOL

Added: Thursday 01 August 2013 22:22:16 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

SPOILERS ... DUH!!!

In the season premiere episode, McGarrett and Wo Fat make a narrow escape from maximum security, gunman storm Five-0 headquarters and Catherine is taken hostage. Now, in McGarrett’s quest to save Catherine, he must break the rules and go head-to-head with new SWAT Commander Captain Grover (Chi McBride). Meanwhile, Kono and Adam’s secret location in Hong Kong is compromised. Rumer Willis and Terry O’Quinn return, and Carol Burnett, Jorge Garcia, Henry Ian Cusick, Tim Daly and Rebecca DeMornay guest star during the series’ fourth season.

Added: Thursday 01 August 2013 19:20:42 MST


Submitted by: koni
From: America

Mike I agree with your friend. They have also managed to make Hawaii look like a cartoon and every scene looks cluastrophic to me. Tightly croped scenes that cut back and fourth for no reason just to be random and detract from the terrible writing and the swirling/jittery camera movements all make me want to vomit.

I really detest everything about the reboot.

And why did they do the Wooden Rat episode? I mean from ALL the episodes they could have chosen from the original to revisit they chose this one???

Added: Thursday 01 August 2013 14:54:30 MST


Submitted by: Frank
From: se Wisconsin

Welcome back Mr. Mike. Thanks for bringing the forum back!

Added: Thursday 01 August 2013 13:58:56 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Another show I've been watching while on summer hiatus is "Poirot" on PBS. The season began with a journey aboard the Orient Express in which David Suchet, the actor who portrays Agatha Christie's detective, gave a bit of the history of the show and the journey from Calais to Istanbul. You may recall that journey (in reverse) was traveled in Christie's book "Murder on the Orient Express," which was made into a movie starring Albert Finney as Poirot.

The episodes are set in the 1930s, although the lifestyle portrayed seems more like the Roaring 20s than the greatly depressed latter decade. Still, the mysteries are worthy of Mrs. Christie's creation, even though they are new works.

Next week, PBS where I live is showing a modern-day remake of a truly classic English murder mystery, "The Lady Vanishes." The original, filmed in 1938, featured Dame May Witty, who you might remember as Lady Belding in the 1942 film "Mrs. Miniver." It will be interesting to see how the BBC and PBS/Masterpiece fared in remaking a long-revered classic. Sound familiar?

Added: Wednesday 31 July 2013 07:27:43 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Welcome back, Mr. Mike's guestbook! :)

I had been waiting for the season 9 DVD price to drop ever since it came out. But while the earlier seasons would sometimes drop to as low as $11 or $12 (almost criminal to have a great series like this selling that cheap ;)) season 9 remained at $37 or $39. And while money is not a huge issue for me I kept telling myself that one of these days I'd see it drop to $27 or $20 or whatever. Plus I had other stuff going on so I told myself that season 9 could wait. No rush.

And then I did see it drop a few months ago (finally!) to $27 and that's what I bought it for. Now I see that it's $22. No doubt it'll be $14 one of these days. Guess I could have waited a bit longer, eh? ;)

But no biggie.

Added: Tuesday 30 July 2013 10:47:23 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Rainbow, I don't know if there will be a surge in the price of the DVDs for the old show. As far as I can determine, the first season was seriously overpressed, because you can still get copies for peanuts (remember, this is a 7-disc set).

The last time I anal-yzed the DVD prices was in October of last year. I have updated the information below.

The first figure in bold was the Amazon.com price last October, the next two prices were for Amazon Marketplace sellers new and used. Following this are figures in blue, which represent the same thing today.

You'll note below that Amazon is now selling seasons 5-8 for a relatively low price (up to $12 cheaper than last fall). Other seasons are cheaper as well.

I don't know if CBS would ever repress any of the seasons if they were completely sold out everywhere. The way of the future is streaming downloads, and you can get Five-O on a variety of platforms.

By the way, Jeff tells me that Vudu is streaming in 1080p. He thought that Netflix and Amazon were doing this, but apparently this is not the case. He reports that the quality of the Vudu episodes (seasons 1-9 only, unfortunately) is stunning. However, if you want to download the episodes on to your computer so you can watch them any time, the quality is only 480p, though the Vudu software will upconvert them to 1080p quality.

The price of the new show, both on DVD and Blu-Ray, remains high, which means I won't be rushing to Amazon to buy these (I still do not own either of the first two seasons).

I wonder if you can get any of this stuff cheaper on Ebay?

NEW FIVE- 0

Season 1 DVD $24.35 / $22.83 / $19.25 $23.40 / $18.94 / $18.69
Season 1 Blu-Ray $41.93 / $35.39 / $19.50 $41.93 / $34.95 / $23.73

Season 2 DVD $39.99 / $24.95 / $20.79 $34.49 / $29.81 / $25.95
Season 2 Blu-Ray $47.49 / $40.00 / $34.95 $46.31 / $34.45 / $30.29

CLASSIC FIVE-O

Season 1 $14.40 / $11.14 / $7.59 $16.03 / $8.90 / $6.00
Season 2 $13.38 / $11.77 / $4.84 $15.39 / $9.21 / $5.72
Season 3 $13.17 / $9.22 / $8.99 $15.78 / $8.99 / $8.00
Season 4 $12.50 / $9.50 / $7.97 $15.12 / $8.50 / $4.99
Season 5 $21.90 / $16.00 / $14.37 $14.99 / $10.70 / $10.88
Season 6 $19.00 / $18.79 / $15.03 $14.99 / $10.70 / $9.24
Season 7 $26.93 / $22.27 / $22.19 $14.99 / $10.70 / $9.47
Season 8 $26.93 / $23.41 / $23.31 $14.99 / $10.70 / $13.25
Season 9 $29.38 / $29.38 / $29.53 $22.40 / $17.96 / $26.42
Season 10 $13.16 / $13.02 / $10.17 $25.99 / $18.62 / $5.99
Season 11 $33.24 / $24.98 / $21.50 $25.99 / $21.48 / $22.10
Season 12 $36.93 / $30.83 / $23.79 $22.37 / $17.93 / $21.75

By the way, if you want to buy any of the above at Amazon, please do so through the BUY DVDS link at the top of the page. Thanks!

Added: Tuesday 30 July 2013 09:33:17 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

I'd like to know, too, Mike.

Will the lawsuit mark the end of efforts to keep the Five-0 legacy alive?

Len and Jack did it right the first time. The explored virtually every conceivable avenue, leaving us with the question: Is it even possible for another Five-0 venture to succeed?

Stephen Cannell tried to bring it back in 1997 with only limited success, even though it paid respect to the original and told a good tale. The 2010 iteration has been a love-hate production from the beginning. We can only wonder what the outcome would have been if the network suits had gone forward with Ed Bernero's script for bringing back H50. From what we understand, his ideas were much more traditional and in the theme of the original.

Isn't the real problem the fact that Jack's McGarrett, JMac's Danno, Zulu's Kono, and Kam's Chin Ho aren't on the screen? If so, then we should be grateful for our remastered DVDs and not ask anyone else to try and replace them. They can't.

Added: Tuesday 30 July 2013 08:50:14 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Yes, I agree as well.

Mike, for the sake of argument, let's say that CBS cancels the new show during or after this fourth season which looks likely now that the syndication deal has gone through. Where do you see the Five-O brand going from here?...You told me the movie rights are in legal hell, so obviously there will not be another tv show, so is this the end of the line for the Five-O brand?...If so, does this also mean that the cost of the old show DVD's would skyrocket as well, now that the new show is gone?

Added: Tuesday 30 July 2013 06:38:22 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

I happen to agree with your friend, Mike.

Added: Monday 29 July 2013 12:05:52 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I made a DVD containing the old and new Hookman shows and sent it to a friend of mine. He is totally clueless about Five-O and doesn't know almost anything about the show. This is what he said:

I watched this other episode [the new one]. It's simply awful. What happened to Jack Lord and the others? Are they all dead ? [DUH!]

I could never get used to these 2 principal actors [O'Loughlin and Caan] -- never heard or seen them before!

The editing is so chopped that it attracts attention to itself -- which it should not. But I guess that's how all modern films look like today.

And the music -- don't get me started on that. Awful, simply awful.....

Added: Monday 29 July 2013 09:16:20 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

I'm filling my summer hiatus by watching the UK/French production "Death in Paradise." Filmed on the Caribbean island of Guadeloupe, it features a British detective who is sent to the island of Sainte Marie to serve as chief of investigations. He initially wasn't happy about it, but when he had a chance to return to England, he chose to remain.

This chief detective reminds me somewhat of Jack Lord's Steve McGarrett in that he wears business suits, despite the sweltering heat, and is somewhat rigid. As far as his methods of crime solving, he reminds me more of John Thaw's Endeavour Morse.

The series would be better if we saw more of the forensics, but all lab work is sent to another island. So, anything beyond the crime scene and the detectives' work is lost to us.

Currently, Season 1 (Series 1) is being shown on PBS, while Season 2 is in production and scheduled to air on PBS next year.

Added: Sunday 28 July 2013 11:52:06 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Not having any Five-0 (zero) to watch and write cranky things about since the end of season three, I started watching this BBC/French cop/forensics/legal show called Spiral.

I would VERY highly recommend this show. Not only does this production have story arcs which go from the first to last episode of each season (there are four seasons, or "series" as they are called in the UK), there are also "crimes of the week" featured in individual episodes.

Seriously, if the writers for the current incarnation of Five-0 want instruction on how to write well (as they sorely do), they should watch this series, which, in my limited TV watching experience, is one of the "great TV shows of all time" (LOL).

I think at least the first season is available on Netflix in the USA. I got my copy of the first season from the local library (all four seasons have been released in the UK).

The first two seasons have 8 episodes each, the last two have 12 each. (The producers of the new show could also study how you can create an entire "world" within the space of 8 or 12 episodes.)

WARNING: The "forensics" part of this show is often very gross.

Added: Sunday 28 July 2013 10:00:05 MST


Submitted by: Mr. MIke
From: Vancouver

Koni, when I said "does anyone really care at this point?" I was not referring to the quality of the show, but to whether the show's future success in its new venue will have anything to do with ratings, if ratings even exist for a syndicated show in the traditional sense. I think not, it's a done deal and will be shown, as others have pointed out, either a certain number of times, or for a certain period of time (like a year or two or whatever), based on whatever contract terms CBS drew up with TNT. As to what happens after that, who knows?

As for your comment that this is "such a bad show," there are indeed many bad things about the show, but it's going into its fourth season soon, which tells us something, even if it's that CBS is very adept at making syndication deals. Why don't you tell us why you think the show is so "bad," or are you just a one-time poster?

Added: Sunday 28 July 2013 09:40:35 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

That's my understanding, too. Also, all episodes may or may not be included. Sometimes, a syndication contract will be for, say, 15 episodes, even though 24 were made during a season. That can be a real problem for shows like 2.0, where story lines continue from one episode to the next. The climax of the story may occur in Episode 15, but Episode 16 doesn't appear to let you see how the situation was resolved.

Added: Saturday 27 July 2013 15:51:35 MST


Submitted by: Elaine
From: Watertown, MA, USA

Glad that the discussion forum has returned. I missed reading other bloggers' posts...because no matter how many times I watch and rewatch episodes of the original Five-O, I learn something new when someone points out something that has escaped my notice. So, welcome back everyone.

Mr. Mike, since you are the music officionado, I have a question about the original Five-o score. On your website, you have a few examples of some of the music accompanying various episodes (the military theme, the trombone theme, etc.) But at the end of many of the episodes, there's a sort of, hard to describe, passage that is really quite nice. In Once Upon A Time, part two, when McGarrett's sister comes running out of the courtroom and gives her brother a loving hug,that music is playing as the episode ends. Do you know if that passage was written by Mort Stevens? It's not on the Five-O soundtrack. Just curious.

Have a nice day!

Added: Saturday 27 July 2013 15:47:04 MST


Submitted by: Koni
From: America

"does anyone really care at this point"? I doubt anyone does. Such a bad show but they need to fill the air time with something.

Added: Saturday 27 July 2013 15:16:36 MST


Submitted by: drolj
From: Texas

Syndication rights are sold for either a specific number of times they can be shown or for a specific length of time.

Added: Saturday 27 July 2013 09:11:39 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

I'm not sure how to respond to that announcement. Weren't the syndication airings supposed to air beginning in 2014? Of course, contracts are amended everyday. Still, one would have to wonder what is behind this. Dare I say someone might be fearful that, if they wait until after production ends on Season 4, 2.0 might be forgotten before the syndication airings find their niche?

Do you realize 1.0 has been aired constantly since September 20, 1968? Whether in first-runs, re-runs, syndication, VHS, or DVD, 1.0 is one long-running TV show -- 45 years in September. Ooh Rah! :)

Added: Saturday 27 July 2013 09:00:12 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

News item:

As confirmed on twitter by executive producer Peter Lenkov, Hawaii Five-0 will premiere in syndication on the TNT cable network on Thursday, August 8th. Five-0 will launch with two back-to-back episodes -- "Pilot" at 9:00pm ET/PT and "Ohana" at 10:00pm ET/PT -- following back-to-back episodes of long-time rival, Castle.

How does this work in terms of CBS making money? They made a shitload of money when they signed up for this deal, but then what happens? Does the show run every week, every day or what? And every time it runs, does CBS make more money in the form of royalties? Are there "ratings" for this kind of deal (i.e., when the show is broadcast there is some kind of rating) or does anyone really care at this point?

Added: Saturday 27 July 2013 08:41:03 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Welcome back, Mike! I've missed you and the Discussion Forum.

Do hope Lenkov, et al. don't just borrow ideas from the old show for their own sake. Far better to have fresh and new ideas, but if they must borrow, I hope they will do so judiciously and tastefully. I'm not sure the Grover idea meets that criteria; after all, in 1.0, that character was dreadfully out of date in his methods, and his ways might well have resulted in the injury or death of the hostage. On the other hand, from what you've said, Mike, the new iteration is attempting to have Five-0 play by the rules as they are practiced by law enforcement worldwide. There's a big difference.

Re: posting instructions not to defend JL and 1.0, I'm not sure many of us can life up to that, Mike. I hope that doesn't mean I'll be blocked. I'm having trouble enough with Facebook on that count. :D

Added: Friday 26 July 2013 07:31:30 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

First there are guest stars announced:

a) Henry Ian Cusick (Desmond from Lost) will be in the first show as "a member of a terrorist group named National Liberation Movement." In case anyone has forgotten (as the people making this press release seemingly have), this is the same "liberation movement" that Salgado, the bad guy of last season's last episode, was connected with. Maybe there is some "connection" between the two shows?
b) Lost's Jorge Garcia joins cast as "a brilliant conspiracy theorist," this is reportedly "early in the season," not the first episode.

Then there is this:

http://www.50undercover.com/2013/07/14/hawaii-five-0-scores-a-touchdown-at-aloha-stadium-spoilers/

There are also behind-the-scenes photos being tweeted, which I have not checked out.

Finally, there is this addition to the cast:

Chi McBride to star as SWAT Captain Lou Grover on Five-0, a recurring character from the fourth season first episode on.

This is what Lenkov said about this addition:

"It's always fun to dig back into Five-0 mythology and resurrect a character -- and in this case, Chi McBride plays SWAT Captain Lou Grover ... Recently transferred to Hawaii from Chicago, Grover isn't easily sold on Five-0's tactics, referring to the task force as: 'McGarrett and his merry band of do-whatever-the-hell-they-want.' What Five-0 does conflicts with Grover's own style of law enforcement. And that creates good conflict, so prepare for some combustive tension between the two this season."

This sounds to me like he is creating a "mythology" where none exists. Not knowing what is in store for this Grover character come September and thereafter, so far we only know that this "resurrection" is in name only. This is not like August March, the Ed Asner character, who was the same character (sort of) in both the old and new shows.

The character of Captain Grover appeared in the original show's seventh season episode "The Hostage." Gravelly-voiced actor Scott Brady portrayed Grover, who was actually named "Glover" as opposed to "Grover" in the end credits. "Glover" is what he calls himself when he is using a bullhorn to address a building where Ruth Martin, a young girl (Linda Purl) has been confined by an aggrieved veteran. This vet was trying to sponge money off his commanding officer who lives in the building, and things go very wrong when a cop (played by Dennis Chun, the current Duke Lukela) confronts him.

In the original show, the character did not come from out of state, was not named "Lou," and only appeared in the one episode. Grover/Glover was at odds with McGarrett on how to resolve the hostage situation, using "old style" police methods versus McGarrett's attempts to negotiate. Maybe in the new show McGarrett will use his wild and crazy techniques, and Grover/Glover will use more rational means?

This sounds similar to the "resurrected" character of Vince Fryer (played by Tom Sizemore). Though no one has talked about this too much, he was presumably based on Internal Affairs cop Bernie Fryer, featured just once in the original's tenth season episode "The Friends of Joey Kalima." That show's Fryer went after a rookie cop and friend of McGarrett's who was present at a luau where some bookmaking activity was going on. There are some parallels to Sizemore's Fryer going after the rookie Kono, though Kalima was not a member of the Five-O team. In the earlier show, Fryer's focus was much more on McGarrett, who he seemingly had a grudge against.

Added: Friday 26 July 2013 07:06:09 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Welcome Back, Mike.

I haven't been following it. What are some of the spoilers that he dropped?

The movie version of his comic book RIPD was the biggest bomb of the summer. It may not be his year.

Added: Friday 26 July 2013 06:42:39 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The fourth season's been in production only a couple of weeks, and already Lenkov has been dropping spoilers left, right and center. By the time the show airs, will there be ANYthing that we don't know about it (yes, I know Lenkov likes to jerk people around, promising and not delivering). Did this phenomenon exist with the old show?

Added: Thursday 25 July 2013 15:43:31 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Issues which caused the discussion forum to be closed for a while have been resolved. There have been some changes, though. Click on the "Click >here< before your first post" link above to see these.

Added: Thursday 25 July 2013 15:35:19 MST


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