The Hawaii Five-O Home Page Discussion Forum -- January 2018


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Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Great lists Mr. Mike and HFO forum regulars. I forgot to place FOB Honolulu and And A Time To Die on my list. There are so many excellent Classic HFO episodes. I think The 90 Second War Part I is one of the best and a FAV. The 2 McGarrett scene is a classic plus the beginning with McG in the accident. All that $ in the car. That was an incredible frame. Like many Classic HFO regulars have stated, Part 2 is like its own episode. They have to find out what the 90 seconds are needed for and McG and the military work together. I would also have loved to have squeezed To Kill Or Be Killed on the list. The final scenes listening to the truth on tape are emotionally gripping. Exemplary! JC

Added: January 31 2018 05:01:44 PM


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

By any name, television programs are very difficult to remake successfully. As with the original H50, by the time they end, they've been so thoroughly explored that it is difficult to find anything new to do. At that point, they might as well start over with a new show that is no more than inspired by an old show. But, then, it should have a new title and new characters and character names, as well as a whole new slant on things.

H50 was followed by MPI (not Mid-Pacific Industries, in case you were wondering), but the two shows are as different as day and night, even though the beachfront estate used in 12 episodes of H50 suddenly became known as Robin's Nest. Jack was wise not to accept the invitation to appear on MPI. It needed to stand on its own, and it did. Now, that is good television.

Similarly, Blue Bloods pays all kinds of homage to H50. Character names, from Danny and Jack to Jameson and from similar case scenarios (e.g., robbery of a diamond exchange) to the Irish Catholic cop background show just how much Donald Bellisario liked H50. But, again, Blue Bloods is its own show, as it should be.

Frankly, I don't think I can accept a female Higgins bossing Magnum around. That's too much women's liberation for me -- the unpleasant side of women's liberation. And I know I've seen more of Murphy Brown, already, than I can bear. No more remakes / reboots, please!

Added: January 31 2018 01:05:03 PM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

That picture is fake as far as JL's presence is concerned. It is based on a pix of Selleck and Frank Sinatra. In fact, you can see Sinatra's head over JL's left shoulder and Sinatra's left hand is on Selleck's shoulder (I thought this was part of his shirt collar).

There is a big question as to why there is a box around Sinatra's head in the small pix here, though. If you search Google Images with "Frank Sinatra" and "Tom Selleck" (including quotes), you will find other pix taken from the same session.

Added: January 31 2018 01:00:26 PM


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

I remember, when I first saw that picture, that it struck me as odd. Why would Tom Selleck be beaming from ear-to-ear, while Jack Lord looked thorough confused?

Then, of course, there is that face under JL's ear that you mentioned. Looks like pretty bad photoshopping to me.

Added: January 31 2018 12:08:14 PM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Interesting article. This guy goes into the definition of "reboot," "rework," and "reimagine":

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/more-tv-news/masked-scheduler-its-a-reboot-world-in-tv-from-abc-to-netflix/amp/

Added: January 31 2018 10:49:32 AM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Ringfire, you don't have to include 24, you could include less. The problem is, there are more than 24 4-star ratings (and not just my ratings, either), and the further problem is trying to edit that number down to just 24!

There are also shows which I would like included because they show off the outstanding photography of some episodes, i.e., The Late John Louisiana, Strangers in Our Own Land, etc. and would benefit from a Blu-Ray presentation.

Added: January 31 2018 09:23:07 AM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Here are a couple of mindless lists, one is all shows from best to worst, the other is from worst to best.

http://fiveohomepage.com/ratings/ratings-best-to-worst.txt
http://fiveohomepage.com/ratings/ratings-worst-to-best.txt

Two-part shows are combined into one, most of these are the same rating for both parts, though the 90-Second War was an exception (not dealt with here).

They are sorted first on the rating, then on the name of the show alphabetically, there isn't any other "rating" implied than the actual rating out of 4 stars.

Someone was asking about this kind of list recently, I think in e-mail, hopefully they are reading the forum.

Added: January 31 2018 08:56:20 AM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Is this a real photo?

https://twitter.com/fiveohomepage/status/958720079847288832

Added: January 31 2018 08:17:48 AM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Here is another view of what to include in the "best of," but cutting this down to 24 shows is difficult. The first bunch is from the Columbia House VHS videos, which supposedly represented the "best." This would be combined with Wo Fat shows, but some of those aren't particularly good...

COLUMBIA HOUSE SHOWS:

King of the Hill
The Box
Cry, Lie
Over Fifty? Steal
Highest Castle, Deepest Grave
Rest in Peace, Somebody
Skinhead
The "Vashon" trilogy (3)
Pig in a Blanket
Hookman
One Big Happy Family
I'll Kill 'Em Again
How to Steal a Masterpiece
Retire in Sunny Hawaii -- Forever

(Total of 16 shows. This selection also included The jinn who clears the way, Cocoon and Nine Dragons, which are below):

WO FAT SELECTION:

Cocoon (2)
Forty feet high, and it kills
And a time to die...
F.O.B. Honolulu (2)*
The ninety-second war (2)*
The jinn who clears the way
Presenting...in the center ring...murder
Murder--eyes only (2)*
Nine Dragons (2)
Woe to Wo Fat
(15 in total)

I'm not including Bullet for McGarrett in the Wo Fat shows. Problem with most of the Wo Fat shows, they are 2 hours long. If you remove the three shows with * in the Wo Fat selection above, you still have 16 + 9 = 25 which could probably be accommodated on 6 Blu-Rays. But then there are still some other shows which could be included like Draw Me A Killer, etc. If you leave off Woe to Wo Fat as well, then you are at 24 exactly.

Added: January 31 2018 08:05:18 AM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I’m a big defender of the later seasons of Five-O (when the competition was Charlie’s Angels, Hart to Hart, CHiPs, Dukes of Hazzard, Vega$, Quincy, Barnaby Jones, etc. - I know I’d rather watch Five-O then any of those) but I really don’t see anything post-season 9 that belongs in the top 24. Maybe “Skyline Killer” but that’s it. Certainly nothing from season 12. That’s why I’m surprised by the inclusion of 2 episodes from season 12, unless this is an attempt to somehow cover the entire series - from season 1 to season 12.

I’ll have to think hard what my 24 would be. It’s difficult to select just 24 from the “classic seasons” so I won’t even bother picking anything from the last 3 seasons.

Added: January 31 2018 06:54:31 AM


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Seattle

Hey Mr. Mike - do I read you right? Instead of a Sam Green style junket to Hawaii - you wanna do a Vic Rawlings cruise deal?

Just remind everyone to steer clear a Reverend Holloway when they on the ship's deck, huh. :D

Be back with my B-Ray 24 shortly....

Added: January 31 2018 03:37:52 AM


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

Only 24 out of 284? That's tough! Okay. Here goes:

Cocoon
Yesterday Died, and Tomorrow Won't Be Born
Forty Feet High, and It Kills
Singapore File
Cry, Lie
Over Fifty? Steal
Vashon Trilogy
Killer at Sea
Hookman
How to Steal a Masterpiece
We Hang Our Own
A Gun for McGarrett
Murder - Eyes Only
Honor is an Unmarked Grave
Loose Ends Get Hit
The Bells Toll at Noon
You Don't See Many Pirates Anymore
The Case Against Philip Christie
A Lion in the Streets
Good Help is Hard to Find

Added: January 30 2018 07:36:50 PM


Submitted by: Jeff
From: Denver

My choices for representing a Best-Of set for the 50th on blu-ray:

Full Fathom Five
Deathwatch
Forty Feet High—and It Kills
Sweet Terror
And a Time to Die
The Second Shot
Over 50? Steal
FOB Honolulu (2)
Highest Castle, Deepest Grave
Rest In Peace, Somebody
V for Vashon (3)
I’m a Family Crook-Don’t Shoot!
Hookman
Murder is a Taxing Affair
Mother’s Deadly Helper
We Hang Our Own
McGarrett is Missing
Nine Dragons (2)
Man in a Steel Frame
Descent of the Torches

Added: January 30 2018 07:19:33 PM


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Good list Mr. Mike! 3 Vashon Episodes & The Pilot Cocoon definitely. That's 5 right off the top. In no particular order: 6.Engaged To Be Buried 7.King Of The Hill 8.The 90 Second War Part I 9.Over Fifty? Steal 10.Double Exposure 11.Hookman 12. Nine Dragons 13.Draw Me A Killer 14.Cry, Lie 15. Highest Castle, Deepest Grave 16.Didn't We Meet At A Murder? 17.Beautiful Screamer 18.Forty Feet High & It Kills! 19.Retire In Sunny Hawaii Forever 20.The Singapore File 21.East Wind, Ill Wind 22.Yesterday Died And Tomorrow Won't Be Born 23.Full Fathom Five 24.I'll Kill'Em Again. Bonus 25: Woe To Wo Fat. I guess HFO fans would like to see the last episode. Narrowing it down to 24 is a difficult task but necessary for the final DVD set. Sorry Big Chicken...No Chicken episodes made Top 24. JC

Added: January 30 2018 06:38:24 PM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

OK, I want some suggestions for a Blu-Ray "best of" compilation for the 50th anniversary. I am thinking 6 discs with a total of 24 shows (4 for each disc). I want to hear from other people as well as the usual gang! I will compile the results and send them to CBS Home Entertainment. Here are >my< suggestions, which took a lot of editing...

Cocoon (2 shows equivalent)
Yesterday Died and Tomorrow Won't Be Born
Forty Feet High and It Kills!
Singapore File
Cry, Lie
Over Fifty? Steal
Most Likely to Murder
The Vashon Trilogy (3)
Beautiful Screamer
To Kill or Be Killed
How to Steal a Masterpiece
We Hang Our Own
I'm a Family Crook - Don't Shoot
Hookman
Draw Me a Killer
One Big Happy Family
Retire in Sunny Hawaii - Forever
Nightmare in Blue
I'll Kill 'Em Again
Nine Dragons (2)

Added: January 30 2018 05:28:30 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

We could have a Killer at Sea type of cruise. With Mr. Mike investigating the crime. The guilty party of course would be a Five-Faux fan. I could maybe volunteer to do the John Byner schtick.

Added: January 30 2018 01:48:11 PM


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

Yes, a cruise of that nature could be dangerous, Mike. LOL

Big Chicken : Waimanalo Beach (where the Anderson Estate is located). Also Bellows Beach / Lanikai Beach (where the ironwood trees grow). We see that area in many episodes, including "The Ransom" and "Good Help is Hard to Find."

Added: January 29 2018 07:35:57 PM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Big Chicken, I hope you are not putting any money on me being involved with some kind of 50th anniversary celebrations for the show, because this is not gonna happen.

Someone already ran an idea like this past me which would involve a cruise going from Vancouver to Hawaii designed to appeal to fans.

The only problem with that is, it would probably appeal to fans of both shows, who would end up at each others' throats!

Added: January 29 2018 07:18:36 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

“It take him a few moments before he get the McGarrett mojo goin and start bluffin n stallin, wheelin n dealin”

Right oooon, bruddah!!! That’s our Steve-O Five-O!! Dig, baby, dig!!!

Added: January 29 2018 06:59:56 PM


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Double Exposure

Ringfire say "If we’re doing a Sam Green style junket to Hawaii then I better bring along my wooden tiki club."

You fracture me with that tiki club stuff, brudda. Be careful you don't get no abrasions on your hand, man. But those favorite episode debates may get pretty heated, ‘specially if wees drinkin - so, yeah best bring you club! :D

I gotta give the edge to Painted Daisies. Just a personal pref, cause The Box is a powerhouse! But Daisies got that ‘Law Is Cool’ speech, the grim po-leece procedural, the smooth, groovy Chicken and one a the best McGarrett-isms: How Hard is too hard?

Love The Box too man. Hey John C - I think McGarrett walked into the prison shower room cause he thought he could xchange hisself for the hostages. Always dug McGarrett’s face when he walkin cross the yard then lookin down Swanson’s gun. Jack convey that genuine fear a McG thinkin: WTF I get myself into? That’s great actin, always dug that. Even though Steve-O a classic hero, an iron man – Jack portray him as a real dude. He afraid cause anyone would be afraid, unarmed with Charlie & The Chicken. It take him a few moments before he get the McGarrett mojo goin and start bluffin n stallin, wheelin n dealin.

Added: January 29 2018 12:41:06 AM


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Seattle

H50 FOREVER- thanx for your heartfelt post. Chicken did make to Oahu back in 2005, and I hit all the sites: The Palace, Diamond Head, Hanauma Bay, Natatorium War Memorial, Jacks' bust and the beach by his Kahala digs - even to the Five-O exhibit at HPD that I wouldn't a known bout except for Mike's site. Thanks Mr. Mike!

On a return visit, a local clued the Chicken in to Waimanalo Beach, where I believes they filmed many a surfside shootout. And in my Pontiac rental, I cranked the Five-O soundtrack non-stop. I had dreamed a makin it to the Islands since I started watchin Five-O in junior high so it was a real pilgrimage for me to see these sites live & in person. Yeah, many things had changed cause many years had passed – but the Chinatown looked almost unchanged! Wo Fat’s restaurant, though closed, was still there. As was the Oahu market where Kim Tung Chang followed that young mother back to retrieve that gold bar.

And I could feel them ghosts, and I felt I was in the shadow a giants!

Since they wuz no big black Mercury on the streets during your visit, we’ll hafta invite Michael Timothy to Mr. Mike’s fan junket – so’s we can cruise the Honolulu streets in the Park Lane!

Hope you down brudda!

Added: January 29 2018 12:34:22 AM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

This is probably the earliest archived version of this site, from December 6, 1998:

https://web.archive.org/web/19981206053959/http://www.mjq.net:80/fiveo/

Added: January 28 2018 03:22:49 PM


Submitted by: AJ
From: NY

Solario County, California, eh? ("The Ways of Love", S1- E7)...

I finally decided to look it up. There is no Solario County in California. But, there IS a Solano County. I bet somebody writing the script saw "Solano" handwritten written somewhere with the 'n' looking like 'ri'.

Ah, trivia! :p

Added: January 27 2018 10:06:25 PM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

https://www.avclub.com/cbs-has-now-reached-the-magnum-p-i-and-cagney-lacey-1822472719

CBS has now reached the Magnum P.I. and Cagney & Lacey stage of its TV reboot addiction

Like a depressed shut-in, drowning their anxieties in the muted pleasures of an endless series of ’80s reruns, CBS only wants to watch Magnum P.I. and Cagney And Lacey right now. This is per Variety, which reports that the network announced today that it was ordering pilots for series reboots of both of the classic TV dramas, which both ran for multiple seasons in the mid-1980s.

We first caught wind of the Magnum reboot last year, with Peter Lenkov—whose other recent credits include semi-successful TV dumpster dives like Hawaii Five-0 and MacGyver —bringing everybody’s favorite mustachioed former-Navy SEAL back to Hawaii, and TV. Cagney & Lacey, meanwhile, comes courtesy of Westworld producer Bridget Carpenter, who hopefully won’t have to work quite as hard as the show’s original producers—who faced multiple recastings, and even an outright cancellation—to help the female-led cop show find its sea legs. (Speaking of women in uniform, CBS also ordered a pilot for Chiefs, about three women in charge of individual police precincts in L.A. County.)

(Read the comments...)

Added: January 27 2018 06:44:50 PM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

UGH...

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/cagney-lacey-magnum-p i-reboots-6-cbs-pilot-orders-1079031

Added: January 27 2018 06:39:39 PM


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Here's some New HFO episodes you might see in Seasons 8 and 9. Hope you enjoy them forum regulars. Like what Mr. Mike has come up with in recent posts.
Finding Utopia Part I. A wealthy and brilliant doctor/scientist is kidnapping Hawaiians with the help of his beautiful assistant Samantha. Business people, construction workers,lawyers, nurses, etc...All talents needed 4 the new society. They are creating a new civilization and society based on strict adherence to Biblical principles. James Bond arrives in Hawaii teaming with McG when 004 disappears in Hawaii working a case.
Night Of The Vampire. McG and HFO team are up against it when Count Leo and his vampire cult Leo Knights visit from Florida. Looking for new recruits and a vacation. The mysterious deaths of 3 locals drained of blood are blamed on Count Leo and his followers. McG receives pressure from the Governor to arrest the Cult. Count Leo offers himself in a sting to catch the real perpetrator and clear the Cult's name.
The G Force. Jerry disappears at a Star Wars convention where a guest speaker Dr. Anderson has also went missing. Retired Captain Joey Kalima from Season 10 Classic HFO assists McG in the search. During the search, McG finds remnants of a discarded body years before and an old map. JC

Added: January 27 2018 03:34:29 PM


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

If only jaywalking were the only crime in today's world. Well, we can dream. :D

Added: January 27 2018 02:58:08 PM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Just uncovered, >another< "next season" show by C/H/Q's newest writer, Cromwell:

http://fiveohomepage.com/2010-log2.htm#waste (bottom of page).

Don't forget to check out Cromwell's biography:

http://fiveohomepage.com/chq.htm

Added: January 27 2018 12:39:42 PM


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Ringfire
I've watched some of the Season 12 episodes over the winter. I think A Lion In The Streets is an excellent episode. Very good cast. I think Big Andy was a character you remember. Alika's goons beat up his friends running for election. They kidnapped his son plus Alika was allowed to walk. Big Andy tried to work with the system but it failed. I was interested in the labor union voting and how some of the Hawaiians were pro Mio and others against. Who Says Cops Don't Cry? could be 1 or 2nd best episode in Season 12. Those criminals sure were low-life types. Lori definitely her best episode. I admired her determination and strength to find the killers and bring them to justice. Agree Though The Heavens Fall is a good episode. I'll give Kimo and Lori a break. As Meredith stated, it was a sheer cliff in the back. That was some kind of climbing and operation to kidnap him. I like when they met in the club or hotel and knew their cover was blown. The Nu Epsilon crew voting for death Meredith, Kimo, and Truck was a great scene. These successful men had this secret side to them. Season 12 a good start with these 3 episodes. JC

Added: January 27 2018 12:42:48 AM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

SIGN OF THE RAM
This one always was a turkey and still remains one. I never cared for either of the horoscope episodes but this one is even worse than 11's "Horoscope for Murder". At least that one had Samantha Eggar and there was perhaps some sexual spark between her and Lord Jack. Plus Tab Hunter as the killer. This one is just dull as dishwater, with boring boxing stuff thrown in. ROCKY this isn't.

GOOD HELP IS HARD TO FIND
Definitely an improvement over the previous one, which isn't saying much, because this one is pretty average too. Again Ross Martin is the bright spot as Alika (love it when he keeps inviting our guys to his "little grass shack";) but everything else involving making Five-O look stupid and corrupt was pretty dull. The best part of the episode was the end where Carew finally comes across his enemy Marioni. Unfortunately this should have been a completely separate episode. Instead it's sloppily tacked on here at the end. In the process John P. Ryan (who plays fantastic villains!) is mostly wasted here. The score by Morton Stevens is good though, especially near the beginning with the cleaning lady in the Five-O office.

IMAGE OF FEAR
Another episode that I always enjoyed and would probably place in my top 5 for the season. Someone is trying to make Linda Marsh look like she's losing her mind and I enjoyed that aspect of the story. It has enough suspense to keep me interested. Of course when you find out it's her daughter that engineered this whole thing it's all pretty out-there. Especially since McGarrett says that Soon Teck-Oh's character doesn't have the smarts to engineer something like this. But this freckled 13 year old popcorn-munching kid does?? Yeah right!! Still, if one can overlook this one thing then the episode is pretty enjoyable and with a good Don Ray score to boot!

USE A GUN, GO TO HELL
This one might also make my top 5 for the season. It's basically a rehash of 7's "Diary of a Gun" which I also liked. It has a strong anti-gun sentiment (even more so than the earlier episode) and McGarrett goes on a real anti-gun tirade at the end against Andrew Duggan (apparently Lord himself was a strong gun control advocate) but I found the story pretty interesting and suspenseful enough to keep my interest. I remember as a youngster watching that kid shoot his sister while playing cops and robbers - that kinda freaked me out! Good score by Bruce Broughton too (with portions reused from "Though the Heavens Fall";).

Added: January 27 2018 12:33:36 AM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I had mentioned some time back that I would be resuming my season 12 DVD viewing. I bought it along with season 11 a while ago but haven't really gotten into it yet. Until now...

A LION IN THE STREETS
I already talked about this episode earlier and I'll mention again that I'm not really a fan. I probably like it a bit more than I did many years ago when I first saw it but it's nowhere near as great as some think. Definitely NOT a 4 star episode. Paul L. Smith is passable as a Hawaiian but he rants and raves a lot which gets annoying quick. Ross Martin is the only real standout as Tony Alika, but then that's no surprise. William Smith is pretty terrible in this one as Carew. He's good when he's the strong silent type (as when he observes Johnny Mio from a distance and later threatens him) but when he opens his mouth and tries to show some feeling it all goes to hell, especially in that embarrassing scene where he pleads with Kamoku's wife and says that her husband is "one big beautiful dude". GAG!!! A very average episode, even by season 12 standards. The score by Morton Stevens is good though.

WHO SAYS COPS DON'T CRY?
Directed by Jack Lord, this one is actually quite a bit better than I remembered. Sharon Farrell gets to shine here and it's far and away her best performance as Lori. She was mostly just window dressing in the other episodes. It's a pretty emotional episode and shows that season 12 isn't something to write off completely. Even William Smith is good here, when trying to comfort Lori (compare this with the previous episode). Another good score by Morton Stevens.

THOUGH THE HEAVENS FALL
We talked about this episode too. I always liked this one and still think it's a good solid episode, especially by season 12 standards. Robert Reed and his country club vigilante pals was a cool idea. Elyssa Davalos (daughter of Dick) was a looker! I always liked the human prey hunt at the end. Good score by Bruce Broughton, portions of which (like the cliff climb) are reused in "Use a Gun, Go to Hell" when Paul Koslo is snooping around Andrew Duggan's residence and then is chased by the cops.

Added: January 26 2018 11:50:26 PM


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

Wow, Mike! I might actually have to break down and watch that episode! :D

Added: January 26 2018 08:01:01 PM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Just uncovered: a new "next season" episode!

http://fiveohomepage.com/2010-log2.htm#correct (bottom of the page)

Added: January 26 2018 05:52:54 PM


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

I probably liked Daisies better than The Box. The chase scene in the beginning was well-done. In The Box, I don't see why McGarrett would walk into the certain death of the prison shower room. Swanson was just as angry and mean as Big Chicken in The Box. I wonder if they constructed the new jail. One thing that I liked about The Box...McGarrett asking Swanson about problems inside and writing down the list. Swanson had power in that moment and could affect change with his demands. It was quick thinking by McG and was a good way to stall 4 time. The newspaper printed Swanson's list of items. Although The Box has its flaws, it shows McGarrett's intelligence, resourcefulness, and strength in a difficult situation. The Governor's decision to make Steve McGarrett head of HFO was an excellent one. JC

Added: January 26 2018 03:56:53 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Hey Chick, for best Big Chicken episode it’s “The Box” all the way!!!! A series top 10 for sure!!

If we’re doing a Sam Green style junket to Hawaii then I better bring along my wooden tiki club. I promise I won’t hurt anyone :)

Added: January 26 2018 01:55:50 PM


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

And now the same team is doing the "Magnum, PI" remake. Quel nightmare!

Added: January 26 2018 11:38:14 AM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

From an e-mail discussion I'm having with a friend about the last show:

For whatever reason, CBS decided at the outset to invest minimal dollars on writing and the creative element. I have no business plan idea why they would have done this. The original was expensive to produce, but I don’t think it was the writing. So, they get schlock, on-the-cheap producers, directors and writers and the rest is well-documented. As between this POS and nothing, I would vote for nothing.

Added: January 26 2018 09:56:40 AM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Very nice!

https://ldswritermom.blogspot.ca/2018/01/hawaii-five-o-recap-review-where-show.html?m=1

#RidiculousRestaurant
#JessietheCuteCon
#BlueRoomofDoom

She forgot #H50GrossGuts

Added: January 26 2018 09:51:09 AM


Submitted by: Todd
From: Los Angeles

Mike, I just read the post you referred to on that Alex O'Loughlin fan site.

Interesting indeed.

However, the strangest thing to me is that it is seemingly written by a female with a male foot fetish! FOYeur, the author of the post, who identifies herself as a "fangirl", has posted lots of pics of Alex's bare feet, and seems to be obsessed with them.

That's highly unusual, as foot fetishes are almost exclusively a male thing.

I don't think I've ever seen a woman before with a foot fetish for males.

Added: January 26 2018 01:30:25 AM


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

Big Chicken, that's a wonderful idea to have everyone meet in Honolulu. Unfortunately, it's not in my budget. Those who can go should go. But be prepared. It is a very bittersweet experience. I found myself looking around whenever I heard a siren to see if the big black Mercury was coming. But, no. It never came. And that was the sad part. The things we would really love to see no longer are there. No more McGarrett or Danno.

Most rewarding for me was getting to know the island. Study the maps before you go to help you learn your way around. Then, rent a car and drive around, so you can stop and take pictures. But be prepared for the fact that the scenery is so awesome that neither the eye nor the camera can take it all in. Ride the park train at the Dole Pineapple Plantation. Go on a dolphin watch (September is the wrong time of the year to see whales). Save a day to go to Pearl Harbor, Punchbowl, Jack's bust, and Kahala Beach. We just do need to pay our respects, even though it is a most somber experience.

As for going onto the terrace where Jack stood, if you mean in the opening scenes, probably not. That is a privately owned condominium. If you mean the one in the Yacht Harbor Tower, where he met Tony Alika and spoke of losing his father, possibly. That building is now a hotel owned by a different company from the Ilikai. But, for a hefty sum, you could probably rent that room. You can do this, though: You can ride the glass elevator up to the top of the Ilikai. Sarento's restaurant doesn't like for you to do it, but that's their problem. Just smack on a stick of gum and say, "Just lookin'." The maitre d' will turn away while you ride back down. But take the time to walk down the curved walkway from the Ilikai's lanai to the yacht harbor, which appeared in countless episodes. And admire Wyland's sculpture in the front entrance.

And have breakfast at the Wailana Coffee House (Ala Moana Boulevard at Ena Road / Kailua Road). It's been around since the 1940s and is really good! You can walk there from the Ilikai and see Fort Derusey while you're out and about.

Aw, gee! Now, I've gotta try and win the lottery so I can go back.

Added: January 25 2018 11:56:34 AM


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Seattle

?Hey Ringfire, As Mr. Blonde ask Harv: "I bet you're a Big Lee Marvin Fan?":D

Hey man, so am I! Chicken really dig Point Blank and Lee's turn as Brando's biker nemesis in Wild One ("Chino loves ya Johnny";). Will try to check out that BONANZA ep, thanx, haven't caught that show in a while. I would say the DRAGNET was iconic n groundbreakin for it's time, but you right - now is a crowded field of poh-leecin shows.

No Chicken eps in the Top Fitty? John from Steel City - where's the love, man?

Big question for the Five-O heads is which Chicken ep is tops - Box or Painted Daisies?

And the Bigger question with the Five-O Fittieth Anniversary upon is: does Mr. Mike have anything in the works. Hey Mr. Mike - hows bouts somethin long the lines of an invitation-only Sam Green style fan junket to Honolulu for us long-time site visitors?

Wees could rent outs a floor at the Ilikai, drink Mai Tai's on the terrace where Lord Jack stood, make a pilgrimage to the Jack Lord Memorial bust & Five-O scene locales. As they say: the possibilities are endless.... :!cool:

Added: January 24 2018 11:31:41 PM


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

It only makes sense as Classic HFO closes in on 50 years 1968-2018...Maybe, the Classic HFO forum regulars could construct a Top 50 FAV Greatest episode list. Probably Top 10 would be difficult. The 3 Vashon episodes, Hookman, Over Fifty? Steal, Nine Dragons, Draw Me A Killer, King Of The Hill etc. would grab some votes. Could start with Top 10 and then 20, 30, 40, 50. Obviously, this would be a monstrous task since everyone has their FAVS. Plus, it's like splitting hairs between Cry,Lie and Double Exposure for example. What do you with think forum regulars? I think it could be something that can be debated this winter and extend into the summer. U dig?! I don't think the Big Chicken episodes make the Top 50. JC

Added: January 24 2018 10:43:29 PM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Interesting recent post from https://alexoloughlinintensestudy.wordpress.com -- a very pro-Alex O'Loughlin WWW site...

I just want to clarify something. From the comments we got on the last Hawaii Five-0 post from Paula, I got the feeling that some think I will not be around anymore. Not so. What Paula meant was that I have just kind of given up on wasting my time to say anything about the show and the latest episodes. Most of the time I do not even want to have some fun by joking about it anymore. The ridiculously “manufactured” arguments, about forced and out of character stuff, between Steve and Danny make me cringe. The fan service of it all and also this latest “restaurant” venture and the ill scripted arguments around it, all just show a lack of creative vision from the writer/producers of this cop show. Not to mention such trivial ridiculous stuff such as diamonds spilling from a guy’s wounds in his abdomen, minutes after he swallowed them. I know it is not about realism and neither it is a documentary …. but really, can they just not make it all total unbelievable BS.

I also want to have some distance from the horrible rudeness in the Hawaii Five-0 fandom on social media, mostly instigated and driven by a group of “super fans” and their shipping cronies who think that they are entitled to pass judgement on what others do and say. Mostly for things that they and their close (shipping) friends are actually more ‘guilty’ of than anybody else. It is not really our policy to block people on social media, but at the end of last year I decided to banish on twitter most of those who “steal” our fun and enjoyment and also those who by their comments affiliate with those who do. It kind of made me sad to see people that have been with us from the start, listen to and follow demands of those advocating boycotts towards us for trivial stuff – mostly because of issues that they know nothing about.

Added: January 24 2018 02:30:24 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Hey Chick, I remember that Lee Marvin DRAGNET very well - “The Big Cast” from the very first season. Probably the best episode that I’ve seen. That one definitely sticks out! Lee was a dynamite actor and his rationale that killing someone is no big deal and doesn’t require any particular reason was chillin stuff for sure. An even more disturbing Lee Marvin performance was in the classic BONANZA episode “The Crucible” where he plays a demented prospector who tries to drive our boy Adam Cartwright (Pernell Roberts) insane. Powerful stuff there! You should check it out.

As for DRAGNET as a whole I can see perhaps how it might have been interesting to a 1950s TV audience, when TVs were still a brand new thing and serious crime dramas were a rare commodity. But these days it’s just not that special (a few episodes notwithstanding), not when we have such a grand catalog of TV crime dramas to choose from, past and present.

Added: January 23 2018 11:28:46 PM


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Sea-Town, No-No West

Ringfire say: “I also read that, like Joe Friday, McGarrett hated criminals with a passion. But you never see anything in Friday that suggests he hates anything or anybody. Or that he loves anything or anybody.”

You really flip me, man! Now that’s funny. Take it you ain’t no Dragnet fan, brudda. :D

But like you sez, H50 FOREVER, bein detached n deadpan be Dragnet’s bag, part a the Joe Friday aesthetic. Chicken caught some a them classic 50’s B&W eps, with the voiceover and sparse procedural scenes it really had that grim film noir feel. Remember one entire ep consisted a Friday and his partner interrogatin iconic celluloid tough guy Lee Marvin, a suspected serial killer! This be years before our man Lee became a hard-nosed Chi-town copper hisself in M Squad. But Chicken digress.

As you say, H50 FOREVER ‘Jack Webb's delivery on "Dragnet" and Jack Lord's delivery on "Hawaii Five-0" should not be compared.’ Amen to that!

Just to add to our discussion on Jack’s acting prowess, while Chicken most dig the early seasons tightly-wound, combustible McGarrett – I can really appreciate how Jack allowed the character to evolve with his portrayal.

Ringfire, I too recall that Voice of Terror was a memorable Season 12 ep. And I recall that when HPD officers got killed or wounded by the Liberation Army leader, McGarrett really took it hard. Whereas in the early seasons, Jack’s McGarrett would have boiled over – here he internalized all of it, showin how heavy it weighed on Steve.

Hey Vrinda – so to comment on your post, Jack got to showcase a range of personality traits and emotions through his ever evolving portrayal of our man Steve McGarrett.

Really appreciated your earlier post, and yours as well H50 FOREVER, on the McGarrett Mojo. Jack had it goin on back in the day – No Doubt!

Added: January 23 2018 10:53:18 PM


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

I agree that Jack Webb's delivery on "Dragnet" and Jack Lord's delivery on "Hawaii Five-0" should not be compared.

"Dragnet" was presented like a documentary or the reading of diary entries: "Friday, March 3rd. My partner and I were at the station house when a call came in about a shooting over on 92nd Street . . ." It kept the stiffness that was expressed in the line offered to wordy informants: "Just the facts, ma'am."

In that day -- and, oftentimes today in real-life interrogations -- the police come across as just about that deadpan. Their attempt is to keep the calm in what could become a heated situation. Both seem very cool when compared to Danny Reagan's physical techniques on "Blue Bloods." Danny Reagan's techniques wouldn't be tolerated in real life. He'd have been bumped down to meter maid long ago.

How would Joe Friday have reacted to learning that Joe Fletcher was recording his words in order to edit them to work against him ("All the King's Horses," Season 2)? We don't know. We weren't shown Sgt Friday in that kind of situation. It's difficult to imagine him shoving Fletcher against a door and pinning his arms behind him. It's difficult to imagine Friday stepping up and onto a low stone wall or standing up in a boat as it sped along the Ala Wai Canal, ducking under bridges along the way, as McGarrett did in "Termination With Extreme Prejudice" (Season 8).

But, then, documentaries and diaries deal in "just the facts, ma'am" without sharing the excitement that was involved in getting from Point A to Point B.

Added: January 23 2018 06:01:58 AM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Actress Connie Sawyer has passed away; she was 105!

She was in two episodes of the old show:

- A Very Personal Matter (1979) ... Dr. Whitewood
- One Born Every Minute (1974) ... Sylvia Heller

Added: January 22 2018 09:03:43 PM


Submitted by: John
From: Maine

Watching the last few episodes I had a thought that a reshuffle of some of the current actors portraying the H50 crew could have resulted in a much better remake back in 2010. Putting aside the often asinine writing and the very excessive side stories I think the following hypothetical starring cast would have been much closer to respecting the flavor of the original show:

Ian Dale as McG, I think the Adam character has a personality (not the back story) that would be more in keeping with Jack Lord's portrayal than the current cargo pant variety. He is calmer, has a certain dangerous feel like Jack did and comes off as a more dignified leader capable of managing a team.

Alex O'Loughlin as Danno, sort of 80% James Mcarthur and 20% William Smith. Ironically his actual take on McG would fit better as an aggressive number two man.

Chi McBride as Chin, A likable personality and pretty good actor (I like his current character portrayal a lot)

Beulah Koale (Junior) as Kono, as a Polynesian and young he fills out the team nicely, also has a likable personality.

Added: January 22 2018 04:39:40 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Yo Chick, I dig baby, I dig.

I’ve heard the comparisons with DRAGNET too, that Jack Lord was somehow a carbon copy of Jack Webb. Or that McGarrett was just like Joe Friday. I actually checked out a few of the 1950s B&W episodes of DRAGNET and it’s nothing like FIVE-O. Webb’s “acting” basically consists of narrating the story to us. And when he’s not narrating there’s just no difference in his “performance”. He still sounds like he’s reading his lines off cue cards, without any emotion or inflection. I mean season 12 McGarrett had more charisma in his pinky than Webb ever did on his show. Webb was like a monotone computer, questioning suspects and collating data. I also read that, like Joe Friday, McGarrett hated criminals with a passion. But you never see anything in Friday that suggests he hates anything or anybody. Or that he loves anything or anybody. The man just showed ZERO emotion. He was totally detached. Just did his job and that’s it. You never saw an incredulous look on his face or a look of surprise or shock or anything. He was just a blank slate, a zero. I mean if ever there was a “stilted” performance Webb should get the top prize!!

Added: January 22 2018 11:27:03 AM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

This article should get a prize for telling us absolutely nothing:

https://cartermatt.com/286746/hawaii-five-0-season-8-will-adams -secret-come-soon/

Added: January 22 2018 08:25:01 AM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Watch out, Ringfire, or you will get a "time out" (no pun intended)!!

Added: January 21 2018 11:53:05 PM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Friday's episode reviewed:

http://fiveohomepage.com/2010-log8.htm#14

Added: January 21 2018 11:34:42 PM


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Seattle, Washington

RingFire say: “Whether folks like to admit it or not Jack was a damn good actor.”

Right on, brudda! Chicken always thought Jack was a actin heavyweight, an all-timer. Yet for years I read these lazy reviews a Five-O where they compare Jack & the cast’s actin to the deadpan, passionless style a Dragnet. Jack’s McGarrett was filled with passion, emotion and high intensity – don’t where they got that “wooden” bit. Jack had that gift the great Actors Studio cats got - where he could really go electric on screen.

Hey - congrats on the game, man. Go Eagles, baby!

And thanks for the commemoration, H50 FOREVER.

Rest in Peace, Jack. Thanks for everything. We all still enjoyin your great work.

Added: January 21 2018 11:09:14 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I hope Mr. Mike can indulge me as I say GO EAGLES!!! GO NICK FOLES!! Fly, Eagles, fly.... right over Tom Brady and the Patriots in 2 weeks! :)

Added: January 21 2018 08:54:44 PM


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

Jack Lord passed away 20 years ago today. He was only 77 years old. Rest in peace, Jack.

Added: January 21 2018 05:46:12 AM


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

VRINDA
I agree with your forum discussion on Jack Lord's acting talents. I've heard Jack Lord's acting could be stiff or wooden at the times. Never agreed with those opinions. Mr. Lord could display emotion whether it was the death of young Tommy in Once Upon A Time or Chin Ho's death in A Death In The Family. He showed his love and respect for his team. Risking his own life to save a kidnapped Kono in the ransom or fighting for Danno in And They Painted Daisies... That we are still talking about Classic HFO 50 years after its beginning shows the importance of McGarrett and the HFO episodes to many of us. McG represented dedication,fairness,honesty. Devotion to duty and respect for his team. We could use a few Jack Lords/McGarretts in 2018. JC

Added: January 20 2018 10:02:42 PM


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

I can keep going:

- Jack jogging along the beach in a sweatshirt and shorts in “Yesterday Died and Tomorrow Won’t Be Born”
- the brief shot of him taking off his pajama shirt in “Blind Tiger”
- the ultra sexy sunbathing scene in “V For Vashon: The Patriarch,” where he wore a yellow bathrobe and there was a great view of his long legs
- when he walked on the beach and locked Margo in a passionate embrace in “Thanks for the Honeymoon”
- the sexy racquetball scene with Burt Convey in “Small Witness, Large Crime”
- when he walked along the beach, looking stunning in a navy blue suit, waiting to meet an informant in “The Bells Toll at Noon”
- and many more

Jack Lord and James MacArthur were handsome and sexy enough to keep the women’s attention. Casting locals like Kam Fong, Zulu, etc., gave the casting a more authentic look and appeased the locals who wanted to see local actors on the show. Yes, they looked like real cops and didn’t need to be sex symbols. Jack and James looked like cops and were sex symbols. Coupled with some of the attractive male guest stars that came in and out – Monte Markham, Martin Sheen, James Shigeta, Ricardo Montalban, Soon Tek-Oh, Harry Guardino, Eric Braeden, Dewey Martin, Don Stroud, Lloyd Bochner, etc. – that was enough sexiness.

Jack was the right age and had the right personality to play Steve McGarrett. What people ignore or don’t think about is that cop shows of the ‘60s and ‘70s did not focus on multiple aspects of a character’s life – their job, family life, social life, love life, etc. – all of which would allow an actor to showcase different personality traits and emotions. When a show focuses on one aspect of a character’s life, then that limits the amount of emotions the actor can display. When an actor is playing a chief of police on a dramatic show, then he is limited to being serious, stoic, stern, and abrasive. That is not showing limited acting range. That is showing acting range. Good acting doesn’t mean showing every type of emotion and personality trait imaginable in one role. It’s showing the right kind of emotions and personality traits that fit in with the role.

The problem today is that people are not used to seeing actors enunciate every word and speak clearly, so they label it as overacting or scene-chewing. Also, the loud background music drowns out whatever a person is saying, so mumbling along with that doesn’t help. The camera doesn’t even focus on an actor long enough for him or her to say a complete sentence. Flashcuts, wide-angle shots, or circular shots are spliced in, catering to the short-attention span of the viewers, so they never see an actor speaking for long enough time to understand that that is a normal way of speaking. People call Jack Lord wooden, yet when he shows emotions, they say he is overacting. They’ll never give him credit, all due to their ignorance of acting.

Added: January 20 2018 02:51:01 PM


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

Re: "Big Chicken: Jack Lord was a handsome man, but . . . none of these guys were really sex symbols."

Oh, yeah? You wanna bet? Jack was very much a sex symbol. Watch him dance in "The Ways of Love" (Season 1). Watch him walk across the catwalk in "FOB Honolulu" (Season 3). Watch him enter Kurt's apartment in "Hookman" (Season 6). Shall I continue?

Added: January 19 2018 07:28:38 PM


Submitted by: Todd
From: Los Angeles

Just watched Season 8, Episode 13 of Five-Zero.

While I like Episode 12 better than Mike did, my rating for Episode 13 is lower than the one Mike gave, and in fact I found it inferior to Episode 12.

This was a highly dramatic episode, completely centered around Grover. I agree with Mike that Chi McBride did an excellent job acting this one.

There was minimal time wasting, aside from the paddleboard segment near the beginning of the show, which I'll discuss shortly, and a short but pointless conversation between Grover and his son in the car.

Most of the episode involved a suicidal man who was also suspected of murdering his wife. Grover is first to find him (by coincidence) and attempts to talk him out of shooting himself for most of the episode. The man's guilt or innocence is not revealed until near the end, but the episode seems to strongly hint at innocence, even if unintentionally.

We also learn more of Grover's backstory, including the fact that he was moments away from killing himself in 2011, only to be "saved" by his son sneaking home from school and appearing to be an intruder.

I enjoyed the Grover backstory, and the dialogue between him and the suicidal man was well written and well acted.

However, this episode had a few problems.

The "distraught father" of the female murder (or suicide?) victim was a cliche. Even worse, despite invading the scene with a gun, and his attempt to kill his dead daughter's husband (the suicidal man in the car), McGarrett inexplicably allows him to stay on the scene! No cop in the world would allow such a thing. He would have been arrested, and at the very least, kept far from the scene, so he could not repeat such behavior. Sure enough, he ends up stealing a cop's gun, wounding his son-in-law, and he has to be shot (but not killed) in order to be stopped. Yeah... who couldn't have seen that coming? McGarrett was an idiot.

Additionally, the first half of the episode was tense but a bit tedious. We learned little about the case or the situation. It was mostly Grover just talking to the guy and repeatedly attempting to get his trust. This got a little repetitive after awhile, especially because the story wasn't advancing the plot at all.

Finally, the paddleboard scene at the beginning was pointless (aside from showing off Tani's body), and it seems clear that the two actors were not really paddleboarding, so we were treated to a lot of weird and awkward camera angles to cover this up. It quickly jumped from close-ups of the actors, to leg/underwater shots (clearly belonging to someone else), to distant shots (of stuntmen, presumably). I actually found the camerawork distracting, and the dialogue useless/inane. The only interesting part came when McGarrett told Tani that she will eventually meet Chin, and that he will definitely return to the island at some point. There was no reason to bring up Chin here. They seem to be going out of their way to keep Chin and Kono's characters alive and in our consciousness, as if their return (even if temporary) is a possibility. This is highly unusual for network TV shows, as they tend to barely mention a character again once they're written out.

I give this episode 2.5 stars.

Added: January 19 2018 01:04:57 AM


Submitted by: Todd
From: Los Angeles

Mike, as I mentioned before, I administrate two long-running poker/gambling related forums. We do not have a spam or hacking issue because I am very knowledgeable in this field (I have a Master's in Computer Science) and am able to thwart it before it happens. In fact, one of the two forums I took over from someone else, and he was plagued by a horrendous spam problem at the time. I eradicated it very quickly. I would be willing to administer a Five-O/Five-Zero forum in place of this one. You could still run and moderate it, and I would just run it from the technical side (and run it from my server). Let me know if interested. It won't cost you anything. I will not put one up unless you want this, because I don't want to compete with your discussion forum.

Big Chicken: Jack Lord was a handsome man, but he was already 48 when Five-O began, and 60 when it was over. For the most part, the cast was either older (Duke, McGarrett, Chin) or had more of the everyman look (Ben, Danno, Kono). This was fine, and in fact more realistic for a police force, but none of these guys were really sex symbols.

Being a straight male, I don't care how attractive the male leads are, but as you can see by the Five-Zero fandom pages run by women, that's a big factor in this show (at least as far as new McGarrett is concerned).

Current Five-Zero is trying very hard to show off the bodies of their two most attractive characters (Tani and McGarrett), presumably to appeal to both sexes.

I found it interesting that Chin was mentioned at the beginning of the latest Five-Zero episode, with McGarrett promising Tani that she will eventually meet him, and that everyone returns to the island. Between this and the recent display of Chin and Kono's pictures on the wall of Danno's "dream" restaurant, it appears that the actors really are on good terms with the show, and perhaps future cameos aren't out of the question.

Added: January 19 2018 12:52:13 AM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Hey Chicken, you like zinging the Five-Faux fans don't you?? :D

"So I digs when ole Jack turn it lose. Chew that scenery, baby! Yeah, man!"

Right oooooon, baby, right oooon! Outta sight, man! I totally dig it too, baby! But I wouldn't even call that chewing the scenery. I'd call it legit great acting. Whether folks like to admit it or not Jack was a damn good actor. Straight from New York, where all the greats came from. To somehow suggest that the leads in the new show are better actors than Jack was (even taking the passage of time into account) is ludicrous! It doesn't matter if it's 1960s acting or 2010s acting. Great acting is great acting, and Jack had that. If we don't see this style of acting as much anymore then I think that says something about our current state of affairs today, not back then. Actors today bumble and whisper their lines. Can't even make out what the heck they're saying. How is that more realistic than Jack clearly enunciating his lines? Do we all mumble under our breath in our daily lives? I sure don't. Yet somehow that's preferable because it's more natural? I don't think so. Kiefer Sutherland was a powerhouse actor on 24 and I loved his performance and intensity but even he tended to whisper and mumble too much for my liking. I just don't see that as something natural or realistic.

Oh and yeah, Chick's shower acapella is a definite MUST!! :!cool: No doubt about it! :D

Added: January 18 2018 11:41:23 PM


Submitted by: Boomer
From: Northern VA

TNX Mr Mike - missed that part at the beginning of your post, either that or forgot by the time I got to the end. Easier to do as I get older!

I was glad to see MeTV ran the Vashon trilogy over the past 3 nights. They must've wanted to wait and not split them over a weekend previously or something along those lines. Think I was 11 years old when it first ran, Didn't really remember any of it.

Added: January 18 2018 11:24:42 AM


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

Well, there seems to be interest in having the music released for a 50TH Anniversary item, but there is this little thing with the Morton Stevens estate and CBS regarding the ownership of the original theme. I was under the impression from Intrada Records that when this is sorted out, there should be some music coming out.

In the meantime, I suggested CBS might release some episodes with “Isolated Scores” as a bonus - I think a lot of fans would love to have that, including myself:)

Added: January 18 2018 10:12:21 AM


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Great forum posts Big Chicken & Ring fire. The Ringfire idea with the commentaries would be quite interesting. Maybe, Ben talking about his memories of his FAV episodes. Did he enjoy Death Is A Company Policy better than The Diamond That Nobody Stole?! Or what are his FAV stories about Jack and Kam? Things like that. Some young actors and actresses now famous got early starts on HFO. It would be interesting to ask A. Martinez, Anne Archer, Eric Braeden, Joan Van Ark, Don Stroud etc. about their FAV HFO episodes. How they secured their roles? What was it like to meet Jack Lord? I agree with Ringfire. These commentaries add some interesting back stories and new info for the Classic HFO fans. I know Mr. Mike has a few good actors reflections in some segments of his reviews. The one about The Flight Of The Jewels actors was a good one. Also, one of the fencers in Though The Heavens Fall talking about scenes. I'd buy something like this in DVD. JC

Added: January 18 2018 01:45:52 AM


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Seattle, Washington

Mr. Mike - thanx for checkin in with yo boys at CBS. And RingFire - I'm down with the full Five-O soundtrack release, long as they include Chicken's acapella prison shower rendition a "Ain't no big thing" on the CD! :D

Hey Todd - good analysis in your post. But Chicken would contend most a the compliments N advantages you give Five-Zero be due to them very stylistic differences between 70's TV & today you outline, i.e. continuous plots, betta action. In fact, Five-Zero itself be more straight action show while the Five-O was as you sez: "pure crime solvin.'"

Time and memories notwithstandin, the biggest beef us Five-O heads have with the Zero is, as our man Ray sez — the Five-Zero "is simply not true to the original series."

But wassup with your take that "The (Five-Zero) actors are more attractive?" Were Jack and JMac not sufficient babe magnets back in they day?

Man, Al Harrington was an All-American and I can also confide that Chicken's lady be sweet on Duke. N the thing bout Chin and Kono is they actually look like cops! Hell, Kam Fong wuz a real HPD, true po-leece. Some may recall that the late, great Jon Polito was run off a the great po-leecer “Homicide” by the network suits, to be replaced with “more attractive” so called thespians.

Ray - great post by you. Shout out to New York, man! But Chicken disagree the Five-O actin be wooden. I’d say the lack a flash in the performances be more in line with the proceedural, detective essence a the show. And as most a the plots concern McGarrett, Jack, naturally, get to act-it-up. Chicken dig the actor’s studio Method-Men, cats like Marlon Brando & Harvey Keitel. So I digs when ole Jack turn it lose. Chew that scenery, baby! Yeah, man! :!cool:

Added: January 17 2018 09:30:12 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I have no interest in another DVD or Blu-Ray release because I'm very happy with the remastered quality that we got on our original DVDs (I don't own season 10 which is fine). I'm pretty sure we've already seen any bonus material that's out there so I'm not really interested in including that. About the only thing that would pique my interests would be an audio commentary on specific episodes. I generally enjoy listening to commentaries, for TV episodes or films. But then the question is who would record these commentaries? Most of the folks involved with the old show are dead. Unless these would be fan commentaries - people in the business who are fans of the old show, or even someone like our esteemed Mr. Mike, or other die-hard fans who have internet exposure and clout and/or maintain their own Five-O fansite. Just an idea. Could be interesting. Don't know how feasible this would be though.

The thing that would really make the anniversary special for me, however, is a release of a full Five-O soundtrack (like they did with MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE) via La-La-Land Records. I've written about this before and that's still something that I'm hoping for the most, even though I realize there are various legal wranglings involved. But anyway that's what would really make it for me! I don't need episodes that I already own. But I do need the music!

Added: January 17 2018 06:18:43 PM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

One of our regulars e-mailed me about the posting yesterday regarding a possible video release to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the show:

How about a best-of blu ray set featuring 2-3 discs of the best episodes (up to 16 episodes) of the series as voted on by the fans online? Something like they did on dvd for Perry Mason and Gunsmoke, but for blu ray . The show has high visibility running each day on Me-TV, and it would be a great way to test the waters for more blu ray releases down the road.

I replied:

This is an interesting idea, but hasn't the Five-O cow pretty well been drained of milk by the individual DVD seasons plus the "complete sets" which have been issued on DVD -- one consisting of individual box sets, plus two more.

From a marketing point of view, you have to think about who would buy this Blu-Ray "best of" collection -- probably only people who are psycho for Blu-Rays, and what percentage of the fan base consists of those people? I'm sure Joe Average types would be just happy to have their DVDs, and would not want to upgrade.

There is also the issue of what happens if all the seasons >are< eventually released on Blu-Ray (which I think is very unlikely). Then the people who bought the "best of" compilation would be pissed off that they have to upgrade >again<.

Another issue has to do with holding a poll online. This could be done either in this forum or via a separate "poll" (I'm sure there are services somewhere on the Internet that I could utilize). I think it wouldn't work too well in the forum, because hardly anyone posts here any more, not like in the old days, though I'm sure a lot of people are >reading< the forum. [NOTE TO ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST "READING" THE FORUM: This is your opportunity to SPEAK UP!!]

There was already a selection of "best of" shows with the Columbia House video releases:

http://fiveohomepage.com/columbia-house.htm

There is a problem because already there are some "best" shows missing from this list, for example, Draw Me A Killer. As well, there is a question about which episodes would look "best" on Blu Ray. For example, there are shows like The Late John Louisiana which have brilliant color in them. These shows may not necessarily be in the "best of" Columbia House collection.

There may also be issues with the "original elements" as mentioned in the previous posting. One show where the original elements are sometimes crappy is Nine Dragons. There are scratches in some scenes, and I'm sure CBS is not going to have these fixed.

Recently I had to watch some episode because I had to check something and I was actually disturbed by how mediocre the quality of the color was (which I had always thought was outstanding throughout all of the seasons, other than in season 10). And I don't think my DVDs have deteriorated!

Added: January 17 2018 09:04:40 AM


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

Hi Mike,

Thanks so much for emailing CBS and providing the great response.

As far as suggestions, it was discussed over at FSM that a couple of us would love to see Blu Rays released with some “Isolated Scores” included on many of the popular episodes, such as the PILOT, HOOKMAN, NINE DRAGONS, A THOUSAND PARDONS - YOU’RE DEAD and WOE TO WO FAT. As far as the music, these are some of my suggestions as far that goes.

Also, I would love to see the M STATION: HAWAII TV movie included as a bonus. I was also wondering if CBS would be willing to release NUMBER ONE WITH A BULLET and THE EXECUTION FILE with the original songs restored to these episodes.

Anyway, these are some of my thoughts and or suggestions for CBS and I would sincerely appreciate it if you could forward this information to them. Thanks again, my friend!

Added: January 17 2018 08:45:09 AM


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

I'd like a Top 50 FAV Classic HFO episodes list in a DVD package. Voted on by the Classic HFO fans. Maybe, they can start online and voting. Something like the Rock and Roll HOF. 1 vote per day. Kind of a countdown 50-40, 39-30, 29-20, 19-11,and then 10 down to 1. My guess the Vashon Trilogy, Hookman, Trouble In Mind,The Ninety-Second War Part I etc would make the Top 10. It would be interesting if there's any behind the scene footage for A Death In The Family. It must have been emotional filming Chin Ho's demise. JC

Added: January 16 2018 09:40:50 PM


Submitted by: Michael Timothy
From: Palatine IL

To the extent there would be some form of a public event honoring the 50th anniversary, I would make the Park Lane available. But only for those who required a booking and transport to HPD.

Added: January 16 2018 06:04:31 PM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Glenn, I e-mailed the boss of CBS Home Entertainment asking if there is anything planned because of Five-O's 50th anniversary this year. He replied: "Not sure we have any new, unseen material to release, and Blu-Ray is unlikely ... but not impossible. I will circle back with my guys to see what the state of the original elements are in. Please write me with any ideas you have as we're always interested in giving the fans cool stuff!"

So do you have any ideas?

There are a couple of goodies which have not been released yet:

1) the Stephen J. Cannell unsold pilot from 1997 with Gary Busey, James MacArthur, etc.
2) M Station Hawaii (this was produced in conjunction with CBS)

Maybe I could throw in those rushes from Number One With a Bullet?

Don't say Bored She Hung Herself, it ain't gonna happen!

While the original show debuted on September 20, 1968, the pilot episode was shown in a movie theater on February 19, 1968! (Hmmm ... maybe the 2-part pilot episode would be an interesting addition to the above, though it's not >that< different than the full-length version.)

Added: January 16 2018 01:50:25 PM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Sorry, Todd, the forum software does not allow for multiple submissions if one is already waiting to be approved. I have reverted to NOT approving messages (they will appear after you submit them), but I have turned on the anti-spam, which can be severe.

Thanks for the suggestion about switching to some other software, but after my experience with the phpBB forum from July 2016-June 2017, I am not interested in this because I don't want a replay of the hassles I encountered, not to mention the expense I had to put out to get things fixed when people hacked my site.

Added: January 16 2018 10:25:39 AM


Submitted by: Todd
From: Los Angeles

Regarding Season 8, Episode 12 (of Five-Zero)...

I liked this episode a lot better than Mike did.

I noticed there was not ANY time wasting -- something very uncommon for Five-Zero. Maybe this was because Danno was missing? It seems that Danno's presence always equals stupid subplots these days. That's too bad, because I don't mind Danno's character (unlike Mike), but I have to concur that the plots surrounding him lately have been mostly garbage.

When the FBI agent announced at the beginning that he would be cracking down on island gang violence, I said out loud, "Isn't that supposed to be Five-O's job?" I see Mike had the same sentiment.

Regardless, I thought the setup of the agent and his family being killed was pretty well done, and in fact it was surprising to see the death of his wife and cute kid, as well. When the explosion happened, I was sure it would kill the agent but not the wife/child, but seeing the little body under the sheet in the morgue was unexpectedly powerful. Five-Zero usually shies away from actually harming child characters.

McGarrett's outrage was reasonable, but his plan to round up every gang-related criminal on the island was absurd, as was the weird plan to hold them all together in an easily-penetrated makeshift outdoor cage area. There were at most 165 crimimals being held. There wasn't room for that in all of Oahu, especially if they moved out some nonviolent offenders elsewhere?

Rounding up 165 suspects with no leads also didn't seem productive at all. Why not just question each of the local crime bosses and go from there?

Ignoring that odd way of McGarrett going about things, the episode was full of action, and contained a lot of twists and turns -- with no real resolution by the end!

With Adam revealing to the Yakuza that he's working with Five-Zero and causing them to get arrested, is there going to be a target on his back? At least it seems like they finally gave Adam a purpose in the post-Kono Five-Zero.

The two new characters, Tani and Junior, are working out pretty well. Both are likable, and both are being eased in to Five-Zero as the newbies they are. Honestly I don't miss Chin and Kono all that much.

I give this episode 3 stars. Far from perfect, but I enjoyed it the entire way, and I'm eager to see the story resolved.

This was a nice departure from the prior two, which were both lousy.

Added: January 16 2018 04:53:59 AM


Submitted by: Todd
From: Los Angeles

A few things here...

First off, Mike, if you are suffering through spam attacks, you should really consider going to forum software and utilizing some anti-spam plugins. I run two forums and have a very minimal spam problem. But if you are going to keep it this way, PLEASE at least enable multiple messages, even if they require approval. I hate having to squeeze everything into one message, even if they're different topics.

Ray, welcome to the forum. I am near your age (almost 46), and I also discovered Five-O in the mid-1990s. I had seen my parents watching it in the '70s, but I was far too young (almost 8 when it was canceled) to have watched it first-run. I decided to give it a try in late-night reruns on KCOP Channel 13 at 4am. I immediately loved the show and began collecting as many episodes as I could on videotape. Some were sent to me by mail by people like Mike. Other times I traded episodes by meeting people locally.

Regarding the comparison between the two shows, they're both quite different and very hard to compare. One began 30 years after the other was canceled, so we're talking two completely different eras.

A show like the old Five-O would be a flop today. As good as it was, there wasn't enough character development, and with only a few exceptions, all episodes were self-contained with no connection to one another. Both of these aspects were common in the '70s and '80s, but wouldn't fly today.

The old Five-O did several things better. The episodes were longer (fewer commercials) yet more focused. There was zero time-wasting. We got 48-50 minutes of pure crime solving. The source material was more creative. Many of the criminals and crimes were unique and compelling, while the newer Five-Zero is more of a by-the-numbers cop/action drama. The old show didn't ram annoying/boring character subplots down our throats.

However, the new Five-Zero has some advantages. The actors are more attractive. The action sequences are far more exciting. There are continuous plots which expand through several episodes, allowing more time to explore them. We get to learn more about the characters. After twelve seasons, we didn't know very much at all about the characters we saw in original Five-O. In Five-Zero, for better or worse, we see the characters beyond the work environment.

Overall I've enjoyed both shows. I do like the older Five-O better because of the uniqueness of its plots and its (usually) wise usage of episode time.

I was going to post my own thoughts regarding Season 8, Episode 12 of Five-Zero, but this message is already too long, so I guess I'll have to do it next time.

Added: January 16 2018 12:23:53 AM


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

NCIS addressed this issue in "Power Down" (Season 7). Power was lost in Virginia, Maryland, and the District, meaning the investigators had to do their work without the benefit of computers or other technology. They rummaged through boxes of paperwork, did the legwork, and solved the case the time-honored way. At the end, they said it gave them a feeling of satisfaction that high-technology investigating did not give them. It was a nice tip-of-the-hat to 1.0, which they gave, in fact, in several instances.

Added: January 15 2018 03:21:42 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Ray, I agree with all your points on why the old show is superior to the new one. Especially the lame super computer that knows everything. It really does take away from the fun and ingenuity of solving the crime like on the old show. What's the point anyway? Instead of following the clues that the computer spits out they might as well just ask the computer who the culprit is and I'm sure they will get their answer. It's just a really laaaaaaaaaazy and contrived way of solving the crime. It's basically MINORITY REPORT. Swapping and sliding stuff across the screen. The computer knows everything.

Added: January 14 2018 10:35:07 PM


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Good points Ray! I enjoyed Classic HFO that they would apprehend the perpetrator with a few clues. Maybe, a fingerprint or a tire impression. They had Che to assist them. Like how they matched the tire impression at the blasted plant site to the Sgt's vehicle in The Last Eden. Or the investigative work to narrow the suspect to Vic in Wednesdays Ladies Free. I agree with the new HFO has so much technology at their disposal. McG & the old team would solve these crimes in 15 minutes. LOL! Also, you are correct about the old HFO focusing on the story and solving the crimes more. Not as much drama or family talk. Great post. JC

Added: January 14 2018 09:08:40 PM


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

I don’t know if this has been mentioned yet, but this coming September will be the 50TH Anniversary of the classic show and I was wondering what kind of goodies might be in the works, such as possibly some original music releases or a COMPLETE Blu Ray set.

Anyway, I hope that something comes out in celebration of this classic show and this huge milestone:)

Added: January 14 2018 01:45:51 PM


Submitted by: Ray
From: NY

Hi all, I'm a big fan of the original series. I stumbled onto it in 1995 while a senior in college, so I wasn't around for the original run.

I wanted to like the new series but I haven't been able to watch more than a handful of episodes. The biggest problem to me right off the bat is the wise-cracking banter between McGarrett and Danno in the new series, which is simply not true to the original series. In the original series there was of course some mild joking between the two, but at the same time Danno was _always_ very respectful of McGarrett (and vice versa).

Also in the new series as discussed below the McGarrett character is too hands-on commando action star. Lord certainly had his share of action sequences in the original show, but he didn't pretend to be a Navy Seal all the time.

Another problem: If you notice, the original series did not delve too deeply into the personal lives of the actors. There weren't long drawn out plot lines with Danno's kid or parents, or Chin's marriage, etc. That allowed them to focus the 44 minutes on whatever caper or story was going on. I realize tv is new these days in that it's long arc, but I enjoyed the old episodes because you could parachute into a single episode and it stood on its own; you weren't lost on the backstory. (It's the reason I enjoy 70s and 80s tv in general and can't really find a show these days that I'm into. But I realize time has passed me by here and I'm on the losing end of this particular argument.) In the old series whatever romances the main characters had going on were generally limited to a single episode. Or we got a brief glimpse into, say, Chin's personal life in an episode but it was usually part of the story line (e.g., Rest In Peace, Somebody; Cry, Lie; The Jinn Who Clears The Way).

Finally, as a more general comment I wonder whether the explosion of technology makes these episodes a little less fun. When it was limited to fingerprints, bullet analysis, blood type, some low level chem lab stuff the plots were simpler, or a little more believable. Now with the digital age of information and huge touch screen computers that have every piece of information/analysis under the sun in them.... I don't know, it's less compelling to me somehow. But generally I think the writing in the new show is not up to par with the writing of the original, at least in the first several seasons. But maybe this is just get-off-my-lawn stuff from me, even though I'm only 44 :)

One thing I will say is that the acting in the old show did leave a lot to be desired. The acting of the main characters other than McGarrett were generally wooden. McGarrett, for his part, often over-acted. But at least he had training. As did James MaCarthur although he comes off a bit wooden anyway. And of course many of the same actors appeared frequently throughout the series run, likely because they were either local actors or even local non-actors. I enjoyed that aspect of it but I can see how others might not.

Mike: Do you have a list of the actors from the original series who have appeared in the new series, and the episodes they appeared in? I love that aspect of the new series.

The new series might also do well to re-do and modernize some of the better plots from the old series, such as they did with Hookman.

Thanks,
Ray

Added: January 14 2018 11:19:42 AM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

That was not a story about my father. It was a posting by Dennis Chun, who plays Duke on the current 5-0 and also played some parts in the original series. The posting was about his father Kam Fong, who played Chin Ho Kelly in the original show.

Added: January 13 2018 11:30:20 PM


Submitted by: Boomer
From: Northern VA

barnzoboy, I just logged in here to see if it was my imagination that the episodes for season 5 jumped ahead quite a few to episode 12 Thursday night. Couldn't find the info on the MeTV page. Guess I'll need to get the complete DVD collection, I only have up to Season 3 or 4.

Have always wondered how much of the original shows got cut out over the years to fit in more commercials. IIRC, it was the Family Channel that originally started digitizing and 'cleaning up' the program back in the late 90s. But they were sold around 1998 or 99 and 5-O ended. I'd guess though, that the chopping started years ago when the original programs were running in syndication over the decades.

I had started watching the new 5-O but lost track somewhere in Season 2 and never got back to it. It wasn't a bad show overall, it's just hard to get the same feel from it as the original series. Doesn't have the same 'soul', I guess.

Mr. Mike - thank you for relaying your dad's story. I'd read only a brief account of it somewhere along the way. I cannot fathom going through something like that and being able to survive mentally or emotionally. I have a 5 yr old daughter who is my world. I remember life before her, but don't even want to try to imagine a life without her.

Thankfully your dad had the strength to go forward. Of all the original 5-O characters, he is the one who always gave me the most 'genuine' feeling in his role.

Added: January 13 2018 10:41:25 PM


Submitted by: Michael Timothy
From: Palatine IL

I rarely if ever have anything nice to say about Five Faux. There is an exception to every rule, and I thought last night's episode was the second finest piece of writing of the entire series. Nothing blew up-only one crime, and it was believable-and an extremely powerful performance by Chi McBride. The shame of it is this team can put together quality writing-when it wants to.

Added: January 13 2018 06:54:22 PM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Dennis Chun posted the following on Facebook:

Been a rocking morning here as Hawaii dealt with a false Missile attack alert. Very sobering. If we are ever truly under attack Hawaii will only have 20 minutes to seek any shelter possible.

Last night's Five-0 was an especially moving and powerful episode. It has a special meaning to me. As many of you know, in 1944, my father, Kam Fong, lost his first family when a B-24 bomber crashed into Kalihi destroying a block of homes. One of those houses was my father's. His wife and son were killed instantly. He carried his little daughter out from the flaming wreckage. She died the next day.

In the days following, dad became rather despondent. In a 1998 interview with the Honolulu Star Bulletin Dad described what happened next.

"Fong tried to drink himself to death. His despondency culminated one night when he placed a revolver to his temple in the back room of his mother's house. "To this day, I don't know where she came from, but she found me. Suddenly my mother screamed, 'Son, you must never do that.' I felt so bad. I put the gun away."

Just as Lou's son stopped Lou so did my grandmother stopped dad. If she hadn't I would not be here today.

As we all know life is not easy - sometimes darkness and despair can descend on us.

In such moments suicide can seem a viable option. It is not but if you feel in such place please call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 1 -800 - 273-8255 . Remember you are not alone. We are all ohana -- the ohana of humanity.

And today take a moment to hug and say I love you to those you care about. For forty minutes this morning when no one in Hawaii knew if we had a tomorrow "I love you" were the three most important words to many of us.

So to all the H50hana around the world we want to know we love you and are grateful for your aloha.

Malama Ponolo

Added: January 13 2018 05:16:16 PM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Review of last night's show (S08E13).

Added: January 13 2018 04:15:31 PM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Since a couple of spam messages have been left, and since the e-mail functionality of me approving messages has been back for some time, all messages posted are going to be approved before they can be viewed. This might take some time after you hit the Submit button, and you will not be able to leave any other messages until your message that you just posted appears in public.

Added: January 12 2018 09:44:58 PM


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

One of the CHFOR posted about The Big Kahuna episode as a ridiculous episode. I would probably agree. Sam was the man of Hawaiian blood and a man of respect. George and Eleanor hatched a plan to make Sam psychologically unstable through the combination of drugs and projected images. It started out as a smart plan to gain his land but there would be obvious problems. First, Sam would be hospitalized when they drove him crazy. They run tests and things. Those different drugs and things would show up in blood tests. Similar to A Man In A Steel Frame. They found McG was drugged. Two-McG &HFO team entered the scene finding the projection screen material and things. With HFO around, it gets tougher to kill Sam. The Big Kahuna is similar to Journey Out of Limbo. There's this elaborate setup to drive Sam out of his mind to take his precious land. A simple fall down dark stairs or a few well-placed bullets would have done the trick. I'm wondering if Six Kilos and The Big Kahuna were placed at the end of season 1 to help it get renewed for season 2. They are rather unique shows. JC

Added: January 12 2018 03:07:32 PM


Submitted by: barnzoboy
From: Minnesota

Are you guys watching the daily Five-O on ME-TV? I try to catch it everyday, although I wish it started at 6PM CST as I first leave work at 5PM. I've noticed some frequent cutting and omissions in these episodes, I presume for the additional commercial time versus original or DVD. Also, I just noticed this week in Season 5, they completely skipped over the Vashon Trilogy episodes, instead going from Journey Out of Limbo to The Clock Struck Twelve. Not sure why that happened.

Added: January 12 2018 01:22:06 PM


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

Good evaluation of "Here Today, Gone Tonight," John C. It just failed on every issue. Such a shame with Monte Markham as guest star. He deserved better material to work with.

Added: January 12 2018 08:50:21 AM


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Here Today, Gone Tonight I agree is a ridiculous episode. I did enjoy the creativity of the episode. It falls apart for several reasons. One-Barry Dean although clever would still be the prime suspect. He was the last person to visit Peter Fleming alive. Also, he was elevated to Fleming's position after he died. He had opportunity and motive. Two-The double Dean's and the double houses were confusing. I guess Dean created this double as a person for the police to investigate. But only Dean himself had access to Fleming and the building. Three-June's sudden crumbling. I disliked this since June was seen as a very smart and strong woman. Also resourceful and a little ruthless to help set up her own husband. Four-The little chopper ride. Danno left with light outside. There's no way McG's simulation with Che could work. If it was dark, maybe it could be possible. Here Today, Gone Tonight would have worked better as a Two Parter. The Part II would be Barry Dean's trial. McG & HFO team would be losing in court. That's when they could have introduced Bella the investigative agent. I think Two Doves & Mr. Heron is a little ridiculous too. JC

Added: January 11 2018 11:06:26 PM


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

I have enjoyed Let Death To Us Part with multiple watches. Jim Spier is 1 cool character. Breaking out of prison and trying to clear his name. His girlfriend was a good character. Willing to help out as much as she could. Norton the old detective on the case retired but discussed the Newhall case with McGarrett. I agree that the ending dragged on too long. Both Anita and Helen were involved and deserved to be in prison. Jim Spier sure received a raw deal. It was a good detective working episode. McG & HFO team plenty of shoe leather. McG talking with Anita and Norton, Danno questioning the stewardess, etc. Maybe, a better ending would have McG arresting them as they tried to leave for Australia or Japan. Then, Helen admitting her guilt. JC

Added: January 11 2018 10:36:27 PM


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Great talk about Season 12 and some ridiculous shows or things in Classic HFO's history. I was thinking about the garage door openers in A Hawaiian Nightmare. McG gets a brainstorm when the TV remote turns the TV off and on. Great thought but they could have easily activated the volcano explosion. I agree on Killer At Sea. Not a great episode. The journalist was very nice-looking. McG should have enjoyed some time with her. It also was easy to figure out because the William Devane character only 1 with a criminal record. Should have had more sinister or interesting suspects. Strange Danno & McG were on this cruise Hawaii to Calif. Seems like a waste of manpower. They also tacked on the ending in California. There was no evidence that the victim was in on the money takings until that point. Watched Though The Heavens Fall. Enjoyed it more this time around. JC

Added: January 10 2018 09:18:45 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Right oooon, Chickie-Bay-Bee! That’s the kinda man-o-action Steve-O that I dig, baby. Outta sight, dig???

Added: January 10 2018 08:09:31 PM


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: The Coop

The esteemed Mr. Mike & Brudda RingFire - glad to hear wee's all on the same page with King's Shadow. And Chicken dig that Blazing Saddles reference, harkenin back to the pre-ESPN days. You fracture me wit dat Wide World of Sports, brudda.

As far as man-o-action-McGarrett: Chicken love watchin that footage featured in countless eps a Steve-O runnin down them palace steps into the Park Lane to drive past them same Honolulu streets on the way to the crime scene.

And dig when Steve clears lawyer Dennison's desk in 24 Karat Kill - probably Chick's favorite scene in the whole series - carvin Chin's name in his desk blotter! That lawyer cat musta thought Steve-O was gonna take him apart next. "Chin Ho Kelly - you better know that name" Now that's some ACTION, man! Or Steve wantin to storm down the hall to save Danno in King a The Hill - shovin off HPD's Doug Mossman - and lob tear gas down the hallway a the hospital! Now that's early seasons action-man McGarrett at his Combustable Best! To paraphrase a popular fast food tagline – No One Out Intensitys Jack Lord!

But Chicken is certainly saddened to hear that the Alex-O boy-band version done lost a step to age. Man, won't be long till he's runnin errands for rich folk on behalf a the Governor. Well, here's to many mo' seasons a the fantabulous Five-Zero. Dilly! Dilly! :D

Added: January 09 2018 08:05:24 PM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Someone e-mailed me as follows. Can anyone help with this?

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I remember I was about 8 years old and seeing a scene from “Five-O” but I don’t know which episode it is from (my dad watched the show during its whole run).

Anyway, there’s a scene with Danny standing on a roadway in front of a car (the car is to his left and a mountain/hill sloping up behind) and there is a Hawaiian girl/lady running toward him in what appears to be a low lying valley. What I recall is that he was upset and I got the feeling she died or something like that happened. I was born in 1969 so the timeframe for the episode would be 1977-78 but I’m not 100% positive. It could have been earlier or even a different character but I’m pretty sure it was Danny.

I know it’s not from “Beautiful Screamer.” The scene was similar but the girlfriend spun more and the scene I’m remembering she is running straight toward the road and it could also be a flashback.

Added: January 09 2018 11:54:11 AM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I’ll agree with that writer that “our” McGarrett (that is, the REAL Steve-O Five-O) wasn’t the “man of action” that the new one is, but in my opinion that’s a GOOD thing! A VERY GOOD thing! If being a man of action means doing things that defy logic like crawling along the sides of skyscrapers or leaping across rooftops or lifting cabins in the woods using a helicopter then NO THANKS. I don’t need that. Leave that for the video game junkies.

I’ll wait until AOL begins pronouncing words as “case-sette” or “pro-cess” before I start making Lord Jack and AOL comparisons. :)

Added: January 08 2018 07:15:56 PM


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

I once came across a review of the new show where the writer criticized the original show, calling the dialogue corny and the storylines silly. He quoted some examples of dialogue from an episode I didn't recognize. I responded to his post and pointed out the inaccuracies in his statement. He responded by admitting that he only saw two episodes of Hawaii Five-O, from Season 12 no less. That explains his negative comments, but to judge the entire 12-season run of this show by two episodes is very ignorant and unprofessional, especially from someone who claims to be a journalist. Maybe the girl on that blog saw some of those later episodes where McGarrett acted more like and administrator and engaged in less physical action. Given how little these modern writers research their topics, it might be the case, but it could also be that she saw several episodes from various seasons and still assessed McGarrett in this manner because she didn’t care.

Added: January 08 2018 04:03:51 PM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

There are no rumours that this will be Five-Zero's last season. The ratings are up despite the loss of two major characters and the buzz is that there will be another one for sure. O'Loughlin was talking that he had had enough, but I'm sure he can be persuaded to stick around.

Added: January 08 2018 12:52:40 PM


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

She just doesn't get the REAL McGarrett at all! Clearly, she never saw the earlier episodes, when McGarrett ran through cane fields, mounted the palace steps two and three at a time, and caused the Park Lane to do everything but stand up and tap dance.

At the same time, there is a partial truth in what she says about McGarrett dropping back to portray the administrator. Typically, the man in charge is an administrator. But that is in real life. And, so, there is a conflict between the action that television demands and the accuracy that people in the know demand.

McGarrett was still active in the later seasons. In Season 11, he swung from an aerial tram in "The Year of the Horse." In Season 12, he ran after Kimo Carew to keep him from dismembering Guido Marioni limb by limb in "Good Help is Hard to Find" and ahead of Wo Fat's henchmen and, then, Wo Fat at the end of "Woe to Wo Fat," to name but three examples. His age showed. He lacked the youthful gait, but he still could do the job.

Frankly, I think it is high time they let the McGarrett wannabe grow up and start acting more like an administrator and, more to the point, a keeper of the law. No more leaping tall buildings in a single bound. No more being more crooked than the criminals. Play it by the book -- or not at all.

Now, tell me: Has anyone else heard the rumor that this is 2.0's last season?

Added: January 08 2018 12:31:21 PM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

WHAT?!?!?

https://h50koolaid.wordpress.com/2018/01/07/h50-review-8-12-ka-hopu-nui-ana-the-round-up/

Review of last Friday's show, read down near the bottom:

It’s almost as if, entering into his 8th year as team leader, the Steve McGarrett of “Five-0” [Alex O'Loughlin] is becoming an amalgam with the Steve McGarrett of “Five-O” [Jack Lord]. The McGarrett of the original series was an older, less active leader than our Steve. He didn’t get his hands dirty all that often. Of course, it was a different era of TV so the action was on an entirely different level but that McGarrett was more like a Head Coach, moving his players around to the best advantage.

While still our intrepid SuperSEAL, Steve is also now a man in his forties, more mature, more weathered and more open to delegating to other members of his team, just as the McGarrett of old once did.

Now, don’t get me wrong. He’s nowhere near ready for a desk, not by a very long shot but that doesn’t mean he needs to be the one always front and center, always getting hurt, always being and doing all. In this episode for instance, it was Junior who had the big physical take down and the injury as a result. In the past, Steve wouldn’t have hesitated for a second to head down into that tunnel. Now he has a “better idea” and sends in Eddie instead.

That’s why I see him as, perhaps, evolving into a McGarrett amalgam. More mature, more willing to delegate, more willing to let the younger members of the team do some of the heavy lifting but still our fearless warrior out there in the middle of the fight, with his fists, with his guns, with his courage.

Added: January 08 2018 09:52:23 AM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Big Chickie, you are quite right about The Big Kahuna, the whole business about the "special effects" which are supposed to freak out Sam Kalakua are really ridiculous. Even George Lucas couldn't pull off something like this!

As far as Tread the King's Shadow is concerned, I think this episode is due for a re-evaluation by me. This is probably the worst example of a "McGarrett doing the bidding of the Governor to help the Governor's rich friends" type of episode, of which there are more than one in the later seasons.

Added: January 08 2018 09:47:59 AM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Hey Bruddah-Chick, you flip me, maaan! Outta sight, bay-bee!! "Tread the King's Shadow" is also my worst episode! What a gas, baby!! A stink gas, maaan!! It's basically some kind of lame late-night TV-movie, one of those Lifetime channel things. Boy and girl run off to find happiness, she gets pregnant, they consider having an abortion, girl's father doesn't like boy, blah-blah-blah. What in blue blazes is McGarrett doing in the middle of all this?????? I mean, really??!!! What in the wide world of sports???? (to quote Slim Pickens in BLAZING SADDLES :D)

Added: January 08 2018 12:08:48 AM


Submitted by: Bobbi
From: Anchorage, AK

I'm loving your reviews and I'm finding that I'm using them a lot. I watched "Here Today, Gone Tonight" (you gave it 1 star) and I noticed the helicopter used (for both the private 'flight' and the police retrace) was used both times - registration N8585F. I don't know if it's still active, I have yet to look that up. Thanks again for the thorough job.

Added: January 07 2018 09:16:27 PM


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Outside The Box

Chicken’s nominees for most ridiculous, hmmmmm…..

After a groundbreakin inaugural season featurin powerhouse po-leece procedural eps and Steve-Oh/Five-Oh facin down gangsters, dope pushers & red agents – the scooby doo plot a ‘Big Kahuna’ seem pretty ridiculous (penned by our man Lenny Freeman no less, wtf?):!thinking:

But most ridiculous gotta be the Guv sendin Steve-O to chase down some teenage girl in “Tread the King's Shadow.” It ain’t even like she was dating Rono Vidalgo or nothin. Gots to be Chicken’s nominee for worst ep.

Or hows bout bringing in quintessential TV and B-movie baddie William Smith to be the new Danno for Season 12. Was Tim O'Kelly not available, was he was still hangin in Double Blanksville? :D

Man, shoulda jus promoted our man Duke to number 2. He earned it bruddas

Added: January 07 2018 08:17:55 PM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

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Added: January 07 2018 11:07:20 AM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Last night's episode reviewed:

http://fiveohomepage.com/2010-log8.htm#12

Added: January 06 2018 06:39:06 PM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

There is a difference between "ridiculous" and "bad."

For example, Till Death Do Us Part is >bad<.

http://fiveohomepage.com/5-0log9.htm#199

Added: January 05 2018 06:06:53 PM


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

I agree with "Dear Enemy." Absolutely ridiculous! Equally ridiculous is "My Friend, the Enemy."

I also agree with "Here Today, Gone Tonight." Build a replica of a house to throw Five-0 off the scent? I don't think so.

I nominate "The Bark and the Bite." Hiding the ruby in the collar was a good idea, but letting the dogs run with the show was just plain . . . ridiculous.

Added: January 05 2018 06:00:43 PM


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

Maybe DEAR ENEMY is just lousy. Not so much ridiculous.

KILLER AT SEA is ridiculous.

Added: January 05 2018 12:06:52 PM


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

>>>What are your nominees for most ridiculous shows from the original series? Mine are:<<<

I would have to say DEAR ENEMY is right up there.

Added: January 05 2018 11:56:47 AM


Submitted by: Mr. MIke
From: Vancouver

What are your nominees for most ridiculous shows from the original series? Mine are:

Here Today ... Gone Tonight
http://www.fiveohomepage.com/5-0log5.htm#113

Deadly Courier
http://fiveohomepage.com/5-0log11.htm#241

Interesting that the first of these stars Monte Markham, who also appeared in the twelfth season turkey School for Assassins (which was just stupid, not ridiculous)

Added: January 05 2018 08:04:33 AM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

http://ew.com/tv/2018/01/04/hawaii-five-0-christine-ko/amp/

A new actor will join Adam who heads a task unit connected with Five-Zero to take down baddies!

Added: January 05 2018 07:44:53 AM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Happy new year everyone!! And happy anniversary to Mike’s mother!

Added: January 01 2018 04:49:24 PM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Speaking of anniversaries, if my late mother was still alive today, she would be 100 years old!

Added: January 01 2018 02:28:05 PM


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Submitted by: Ben Masters
From: Fountain Inn

Happy New Year, everyone! ;)

Added: January 01 2018 04:45:07 AM


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