Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- January 2013

The Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- January 2013



The following are archived comments from January, 2013. After looking around, please add your own comments!

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Submitted by: Dan
From: South Brunswick, NJ

Remake Suggestions

'V' For Vashon
One Upon a Time
...And They Painted Daisies on His Coffin
King of the Hill
Full Fathom Five
The Defector
We Hang Our Own

Added: Thursday 31 January 2013 20:35:18 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

More then-and-now pictures from Hookman:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/Hookman/pix/then-and-now.htm

Added: Thursday 31 January 2013 13:20:25 MST


Submitted by: Renee
From: FL

Vrinda and Elaine...thanks very much for your input; I appreciate it. I will continue to comb through pictures and episodes (oh darn) to see what I find, as well. ;)

Added: Thursday 31 January 2013 06:48:18 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Lindsey (Leigh Christian) was one of the hottest babes on the show and is extremely watchable in "For a Million...".

It's a mystery why she wants to hang out with these losers. There isn't all that much money involved, especially since they're splitting it between so many people and Hawkins in particular is hogging most of it. Neither is Galvin some kind of a stud for her to stick with him so closely.

Leigh Christian also played mobster Robert Loggia's girlfriend in the classic STARSKY & HUTCH episode "The Fix" where she runs off with Hutch. As payback Loggia pumps Hutch full of heroin. Classic ep!!

Added: Thursday 31 January 2013 00:01:14 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth

Mike,

I believe you do have the address of the bank correct. It's in the Kahala Mall not too far from the Jack Lord bust outside Macys. The bank is also used in "One Born Every Minute" and I believe in the episode where Chin Ho or Duke is framed. But I don't remember exactly which of the two "frame up" shows it was.

I had thought I looked at the bank through Google Maps not too long ago and it looked the same, but I also looked the other day and noticed the bank looked different now.

Added: Wednesday 30 January 2013 20:35:43 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Yeah, I actually managed to figure out the business with the aborted robbery, that the robbers just wanted to freak the bank out into moving their reserve money elsewhere. DUH!! There is an implication that this is a "reserve bank," but in real life it is a branch of the Bank of Hawaii at 4634 Kilauea Avenue which still exists today in Google Maps, though the building itself has changed as far as I can determine.

The fact that they send the whole truck with the money to the mainland is very dumb. The truck weighs much more than the merchandise the container supposedly contains and is a big clue which leads to the gang's downfall.

As far as the business with the type is concerned, I used to work in the printing industry, but never with hot metal type. The idea is they are looking for individual letters which have fresh ink on them, but this also seems very far-fetched to me. How could they tell the difference between ink from the day before and from a week before, if the latter (or even the former) still existed on the metal type? By the way, it isn't Che Fong in this scene, but Seth Sakai and some other character.

There are some other questions which I touched on in my boring re-anal-ysis:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/5-0log4.htm#80

• How do they know the exact route that the truck will take from the bank to its branches? It would have been better off if one of the gang members worked for the armored car company and provided this information.
• The amount of money given to some of the gang members (a million each) seems far out of proportion to their participation in the scheme. The six million is divided up into a million each for Galvin (the guy who fakes an anxiety attack in the bank and later masquerades as a cop), Noonan (Al Harrington, former bank robber and muscle), and Blumberg (office manager at Tiki Gods company who provides bogus documentation concerning Noonan's whereabouts on the morning of the aborted robbery and invoices connected with the shipping the money to the mainland). The remaining three million go to Hawkins, mastermind of the scheme (played by Sam Melville). Lindsey, the hot skinny blonde, puts the squeeze on Galvin, her boyfriend, for a million, since she isn't getting a cut of the take at all, but Hawkins convinces Galvin to split his share with her. I dunno why Lindsey is hanging around with the gang, other than to be with Galvin. Did she provide the gang with some information about the bank, i.e., how much money was being held there?

Added: Wednesday 30 January 2013 16:33:16 MST


Submitted by: Elaine
From: Watertown, MA, USA

Aloha, dear people. Today, METV showed Skinhead and I again had to marvel at the great ending, with McGarrett telling Kenner that he hasn't a clue what it means to be a man. He is so clearly appalled at the guy's behavior - his facial expressions are priceless. But I have one question for Mr. Mike. At the very end, just before the show closes, McGarrett supposedly crosses in front of Kenner to go across his office. Then Kenner stands up and makes his way to the door. But is the person crossing the office really Jack Lord? It looks strange to me and I've noticed it a couple of times watching the episode. Did Jack's double do that last scene? His suit was tan in the scenes before and at th end there it looks almost powder blue...but the guy's build seems very different from Jack's. It's a minor thing but it's been bugging me. Has anyone else noticed this?

Renee, I'm guessing but I think Jack Lord's wife Marie may have had a hand in some of the outfits he wore, particularly in the latter years. I seem to recall reading somewhere that she designed some of his clothes. I remember in Nine Dragons, when McGarrett was at the airport to accept the shipment of nerve gas from the military, that he was wearing what looked like off-pink trousers with a greyish jacket and very flamboyant tie.
In V-Vashon- The Patriarch - he wore this white kind of leisure suit with a panama hat. It looked like just about everyone in the room was trying hard not to laugh out loud. He reminded me of a vanilla ice cream cone!
I particularly love Jack in his tan suit and his navy blues (uniforms can make the man) and I always thought he looked really dashing and elegant in his blues. His most frequently worn suits were navy (they connoted power then as they do today). He also cut a dashing figure in his dress whites, when in Murder Eyes Only he was having lunch with the Lt. It was obvous to me that the director and writers wanted to captialize on how good he looked in that uniform. Usually, those dress whites are reserved for special occasions (funerals, state dinners, etc.) because they are so hard to keep clean. Whites can be worn worn during the day in warm climates but mostly khaki's are the dress of the day.

I am working my way through Season One of Harry-O, just released. I am absolutely amazed at how many of the guest stars were regulars on Hawaii Five-O. Every epsidoe has at least one HFO alumnus! And of course, Henry Darrow stars as Manni Quinlan, Harry-s cop friend. I can't see much of Johnny Oporta in Quinlan...too entirely different characters. Oporta was a greasy so and so and Quinlan is a much more refined character. I am really enjoying this set. David Janssen's not hard to watch at all and the scripts are well written and well-acted. It's amazing that I still remember some of them, since I haven't seen any of the episodes since the late 80's!

Have a nice day, everyone. Spring is only 7 weeks away!

Added: Wednesday 30 January 2013 14:57:04 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

Mr. Mike,

"For A Million, Why Not?" is a favorite of mine. I concede to your query about why would they would bother to ship the armored truck instead of just the money. I suppose that just makes the story more entertaining, which it did.

On your first query, the robbers couldn't steal the money from the bank. The bank's security system would not have allowed them to get away with all the cash. Instead, the robbers were trying to induce the bank management to move the cash whereupon they could easily steal all the cash in transit. That part of their plan worked fairly flawless. By the way, the armored truck gets ambushed at the Diamond Head tunnel, the same one used in Hookman at the beginning of that episode. In both cases, the Diamond Head tunnel, in or out, make no sense to use in real life for the purposes they were used in the episodes.

I do question in the aforementioned episode, Che Fong's ability to sift through all the printing type found on the floor at the printer's (the soon to be John Manicote) shop to determine which type was most recently used. That seems way too far fetched to pinpoint all the right ones without missing one or more or come up with additional possible type pieces.

Added: Wednesday 30 January 2013 11:17:08 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Hi, Renee,

Jack wore light gray in many shows throughout 3rd to 9th seasons, light tan (I can't pinpoint the exact episodes), beige (in the 9th, 10th, and 11th seasons), navy blue, and - in a funeral scene in one or two episodes - black. Danno wore green and this olive gold-colored suit, amongst others. He had this dark gray and white pinstriped suit that he wore in "V For Vashon: The Patriarch" and "Here Today ... Gone Tonight."

Added: Wednesday 30 January 2013 09:40:48 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

In the beginning of the fourth season episode For A Million ... Why Not?, Hawkins (Sam Melville) and his gang stage this bank robbery during which one of the robbers has this fake anxiety attack just before the time lock is to open, so they have to abort their plan and escape. Why do they bother doing this? They don't bother to stage another robbery in a bank (they rob the armored car while it is en route to deliver a lot of money elsewhere later), and, in fact, this bogus robbery will just bring them to the attention of the authorities, including Five-O. You also have to wonder why they bother to transport not only the money they steal later to the mainland, but the armored car that the money came in. Yeah, I know they have to dispose of the car, but why don't they just put the money in some containers of tiki merchandise being shipped?

Added: Wednesday 30 January 2013 09:38:21 MST


Submitted by: Renee
From: FL

Hello all...I asked this question to Mike, and he suggested I post here. This is for you 'Jack Lord suit' experts...we know his normal attire was the dark colored ones, but every once in a while, he'd surprise us with a lighter one. Does anyone know about colored ones? Green? Pink? etc.. Do you remember an episode where these were worn? ANY help would be very appreciated! :)

Added: Wednesday 30 January 2013 05:55:39 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

Nice to see the reboot bring back another semi-regular from the original series in Terry Plunkett.

Added: Tuesday 29 January 2013 17:32:41 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I'm sure that CBS authorized the download.

Added: Tuesday 29 January 2013 16:10:30 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Was that through iTunes or some other site? I remember someone mentioning that "Wooden Model of a Rat" was available for downloading at that time from somewhere. I didn't read anything about CBS providing the download.

Added: Tuesday 29 January 2013 14:59:43 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

Owwwww!
Can't get that outta my head now.

"It's bang bang time" ?

Hmm

McG vs Robocop --and Batman too, Peter Weller is the voice of a older Batman in the 2 part animated DARK KNIGHT RETURNS on dvd now. Yes based on the Frank Miller book

Added: Tuesday 29 January 2013 14:40:36 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

When they showed the first Ed Asner episode with him guest-starring on Five-0 again, CBS allowed people to watch and/or download the "classic" episode starring Asner for free. I have asked Lenkov if they are going to do the same for the original Hookman. I don't see why not...

Added: Tuesday 29 January 2013 14:07:08 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

Season 6 episode "The $100,000 Nickel" is based upon one a rare 1913 nickel. The coin does indeed exist and is one of 5 1913 nickels known to exist. Back in 1973, the best of the 5 coins was worth $100,000, hence the episode title. I just watched the episode again the other day and chuckled again when the nickel was placed in the newspaper machine and carried in bag with a bunch of other nickels. How much would that nickel devalue because Arnie the numskull deposited the rare coin in a vending machine??

At any rate, the nickel is in the news again as one of the 5 is up for auctions and set to raise about $2.5 million.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_MILLION_DOLLAR_NICKEL?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-01-29-06-07-07

Added: Tuesday 29 January 2013 13:59:38 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

I'll watch it, but my question is, "Why don't they just show the real deal?"

Added: Tuesday 29 January 2013 13:55:01 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

NOW WAIT! The cop there shot in HOOKMAN never yelled OWWWWWWWWW! I did like the side by side shots. I hope for no , as they say in SKYFALL and other spy thrillers: "Cock ups"

I will see original HOOKMAN again this week before monday nite

Added: Tuesday 29 January 2013 13:45:27 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Re-viewed Two Doves and Mr. Heron the other day, I downgraded it half a star. The ending of this show is too far-fetched with Heron holding Cleo hostage in some building which is very far away from the main terminal (or so it seems). McGarrett runs through some tunnel to get to this building, but access is blocked, so he runs back to the entrance and still manages to get to the hideout in time. Why didn't he just do that in the first place?

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/5-0log4.htm#77

Added: Tuesday 29 January 2013 10:19:54 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Preview of Hookman remake (no stupid restrictions because you're not in the right country):

http://bit.ly/VtUxSZ

Added: Tuesday 29 January 2013 09:53:57 MST


Submitted by: Bill K.
From: Detroit area

///HMSS = "Her Majesty's Secret Servant" Weblog, the, ah, "Official Blog of the James Bond E-zine", which really has jacksquat to do with Hawaii Five-O. (????)///

The E-zine and blog go beyond just Bond and both have had article about Five-O and Five-0. That's the "jacksqat."

Added: Monday 28 January 2013 07:56:04 MST


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

I really am looking forward to the HOOKMAN remake - and yes, I do wish they would have used the great Morton Stevens' score - it really is a classic!

Added: Monday 28 January 2013 07:24:42 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

Oh. Otto. It must be nice to lead such a simpleton life such as yours. Reacting to cursory comments as you do. Ahhh, nostalgia. I remember my teens also.

Added: Monday 28 January 2013 01:36:02 MST


Submitted by: Otto
From: U.S.S. Enterprise

Speaking of Star Trek, I've been going through Season 8 of the FIVE-O (xmas gift!) and my boy and I really enjoyed the episode with George Takei, DEATH'S NAME IS SAM. I have a different take on these later seasons than i did back in the 70s and 80s. Back then it was all still too recent and the later seasons seemed horrible, but now, with some years behind the series, any Five-O is indispensable to me.

Also, a friend showed me a movie called STRANGERS IN 7-A. Directed by Paul Wendkos, this made-for-TV film wasn't too bad. Andy Griffith plays the superintendent of an NYC apartment building which is hijacked by bank robbers. My friend, who is not fluent in Five-O, says, "doesn't the music sound like something off of Five-O?" I say, "Yeah, it's similar, now that you mention it." Turns out Morton Stevens had done the soundtrack. My buddy's instincts were better than mine, dammit.

Added: Sunday 27 January 2013 20:41:28 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

AJ, I don't ever recall being against discussion of the new show. I have been against discussion of things other than Hawaii Five-O (or 0), such as Star Trek, James Bond, etc.

Added: Sunday 27 January 2013 20:17:17 MST


Submitted by: Otto
From: different island

I can't believe anybody puts up with this Kimo character. He continually corrects us on our feeble knowledge of Hawaii: schooling us not for our education, but for his childlike need to be superior. (Personally, i couldn't give a damn about Tiki lounges or anything else in Hawaii. I just like the old show wherein Hawaii makes a nice background, not a subject for my studies.)

For all his complaints about how his people have been treated by "haoles", he sure doesn't mind throwing racial invectives all around the room. His hatred for jews is well-known, or for that matter, all mainlanders, east coast in particular. But he doesn't mind the new show, created by haoles, and berates anyone who criticizes it, because it brings business to the islands, and we should all care about that. There are NO native Hawaiians in the principle cast, but it's OK, "we hate haoles, but we need your money".

Now he trains his venom on Oscar, whom he ASSumes is german, and proceeds to insult him in an inept form of german that he apparently learned from Hogan's Heroes. This is certainly racist in a way supposedly not tolerated in polite society. Oscar, it turns out, is not from Germany; but in Kimo's own words "Ainokea what stock ya came from. Why would I."

So there we have it: Consummate Hypocrite, Spoiled Brat Extraordinaire, Total Moron.

Added: Sunday 27 January 2013 19:54:50 MST


Submitted by: AJ
From: NY

@ Kimo: Oh, I know... I just seem to remember Mr. Mike, at one point, being viscerally against too much discussion of the new show on this forum. Now it seems that's all he - and everyone else here - is/are posting about!

@ Joekido: HMSS = "Her Majesty's Secret Servant" Weblog, the, ah, "Official Blog of the James Bond E-zine", which really has jacksquat to do with Hawaii Five-O. (????)

Added: Sunday 27 January 2013 19:52:53 MST


Submitted by: Bill K.
From: Detroit area

HMSS is short for Her Majesty's Secret Servant, which has a parent site and a weblog. It's mostly about James Bond, given the name, but gets into related secret agent/detective genre stuff.

The weblog had this post about the Hookman remake:

bit.ly/SyRvu5

Rod Baker, one of the original Hookman writers, responded twice.

Added: Sunday 27 January 2013 19:40:16 MST


Submitted by: Joekido


From: What is HMSS?

Added: Sunday 27 January 2013 18:18:54 MST


Submitted by: Bill K.
From: Detroit area

Rod Baker left another comment at HMSS:

I have the new script and they did a great job. I think the show will be great. Rod

So we'll see. Personally, I think it'd be better if they gave the regular composers the week off and just re-edited Morton Stevens's original score for the Feb. 4 installment. :)

Added: Sunday 27 January 2013 17:25:33 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

Well, you are free to contribute anything old or new show. Go for it.

Added: Saturday 26 January 2013 19:23:09 MST


Submitted by: AJ
From: NY

Gee, I remember when this forum was about the original Hawaii Five-O.

:!speechless:

Added: Saturday 26 January 2013 16:25:00 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

Trip Advisor's Oahu forum is one active place! The forum topic discussion titled Respect contains a tons of stuff on the new H50 and its filming around here.

Added: Saturday 26 January 2013 12:03:23 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

It's no surprise that Scott doesn't like Hawaii. He's said similar things in other interviews, but he seems very casual about it in the Chelsea Lately interview, like it's no big deal to him. He doesn't like the slow pace, which I can understand, and he likes the rushed style of LA. However, it's asking for trouble to be saying such things on national television now.

Added: Saturday 26 January 2013 11:31:00 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

To see this video, do a Google search for

scott caan chelsea

You will find several sites which have this interview, along with the usual country restrictions and ads.

Added: Saturday 26 January 2013 08:13:57 MST


Submitted by: Theresa
From: Western New York

There is a lively, entertaining discussion about Scott Caan's Hawaii bashing on the Chelsea Lately show on Trip Advisor's Oahu forum. A lot of people have his number. Would it be nasty to suggest he's number two?

Added: Saturday 26 January 2013 06:47:04 MST


Submitted by: Bill K.
From: Detroit area

It appears Glen Olson and Rod Baker will get a credit for the Hookman remake.

In this HMSS post:

bit.ly/SyRvu5

There's a response from Rod Baker that reads:

Dear HMSS Editors: Thank you for pointing out that Glen Olson’s name and my name were left out of the CBS press release as the writers of the original Hawaii Five-0 “Hookman” episode.. The Writer’s Guild contacted CBS today and that omission was corrected immediately. Thank you again! Rod Baker

Added: Friday 25 January 2013 20:31:30 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Nobody can yell, "Stoner-----STONERRRR!!!" the way Jack did. I don't think a cell phone ring can equal a rotary phone ring, either. So sad. They just don't make 'em like they used to.

Added: Friday 25 January 2013 18:07:03 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

if McG searches in Hookman's apartment in the remake, there better be silence as a music score like the original. McG looks around....eerie....see clippings on the wall.....LOUD phone ring! well a cellphone i assume this time.

i jumped when i first heard that rotary phone ring

hope McG can yell "Stoner-----STONERRRR!!!" :!mad:

Added: Friday 25 January 2013 13:51:03 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Deutschland

http://aol.it/UqiHej
"How does that work out fer yeeeewww Danno?"
(Chelsea loves that phrase)
"Too relaxed."

Yah. That is the way we like it.
And hey. Don't diss our kaukau.
Danno, ya just need to try more venues.

(from Hawai'i facebook)
"Awesome, I wish all the visitors felt this way, then maybe they wouldn't drive up the price of homes by purchasing vacation homes here, they wouldn't cause traffic on our coastlines, and they wouldn't take up precious resources when they jump in waters they are apparently not equipped to handle. Like he says Hawaii sucks, don't try it. . I'm good with that. And for anyone that agrees, kindly pack your bags & get out so us locals can enjoy our beaches without you on them." hahahaaa.

Added: Friday 25 January 2013 12:56:38 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

Ainokea what stock ya came from. Why would I.

Added: Friday 25 January 2013 12:49:33 MST


Submitted by: Oscar van Hemel
From: Seattle, WA

Ignoramus. My ancestors were DUTCH.

Added: Friday 25 January 2013 12:35:41 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

Ja vol mein herr Oscar van Hemel. Es ist only a TV show not!

Added: Friday 25 January 2013 12:26:56 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"Norm, by the way, is played by Max Weinberg, the bandleader from Conan O'Brien's show."

See? This is one of my problems with the new show. They don't get character actors to play these parts. They get celebrities to play even the smallest parts. Is Conan himself going to appear as the crazed doped-up gunman McKinney who the cops have a shootout with?

This feels almost like some celebrity game show at times as opposed to an actual crime drama. Who will we see next? Paul Schaffer from Letterman?? Carson Daly? Lady Gaga?

They used actual actors back in the day.

As for my season 4 progression... watched "Cloth of Gold" last night. One of the top episodes of the season. The way each of those 3 dudes died was pretty creepy. Even creepier was the murder weapon. Also I love the music that opens the 2nd act - it plays as Danno and Kono are arriving at the estate (this is the Magnum PI estate by the way - Robin's Nest) after Ray Danton's character has just received his death note. It's really quite a brilliant piece of music. Anyone familiar with it?? Was it ever used in other episodes?? This particular arrangement? It's credited to Don Ray.

Added: Friday 25 January 2013 10:24:32 MST


Submitted by: Oscar van Hemel
From: Seattle, WA

Kimo, 5 days ago:

"was just watching this [prison] ep [from Sunday] at da Aloha Tower, at a bar there with a couple guys who worked as extras in this ep, and also an active Sherriff too who explained all the ways and means this was not at all realistic and would never occur in this manner, in fact would go down like this:..." and I replied to him, "eh braddah, it is only a TV show. An escapist bit of fantasy. If we wanna watch "the truth" or something accurately realistic, we would watch a boring documentary. Meantime, we are happy to watch this unreality show. I don't wanna watch a reality show. Too many of em on already!"

Kimo, yesterday:

This time they have Manetti running something called The Tiki Lounge. That is a generic descriptive title. Not a name of a place. May as well have called his place "The Tiki Bar and Grill".

===

So is this "only a TV show" or not?

Added: Friday 25 January 2013 10:08:46 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Kimo, today, generic terms are essentially necessary, lest someone accidentally use the name of a real person or business and find himself being asked to pay royalties to the real one. For that reason, The Tiki Lounge is probably the safest way to go.

In "Magnum, PI," Rick's "old" nightclub was said to have been called "Rick's Cafe Americain" from the nightclub in "Casablanca." No doubt, the production company's lawyers obtained permission from the owners of "Casablanca" to use the name in the single episode. After that, Rick managed the King Kamehameha Club. That took social (if not legal) liberties in daring to use the name of Hawaiian royalty. In those days, they got away with it. I doubt whether, today, they could get away with it. The Hawaiian people are far more outspoken about their sensitivities to such matters, and I don't blame them. It offended even this haole wahine to have a nightclub named after royalty.

Ten years ago, I wrote a historical novel about the expansion of civilization into the desert southwest. Before publishing it, I obtained permission from everyone down to and including the Santa Fe Railroad to mention their trade names. Interestingly, only two said "no." Those related to songs, "On the Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe" by Johnny Mercer and "Take It Easy" by The Eagles. "Take It Easy" speaks of "...standin' on the corner in Winslow, Arizona..." Songs change ownership so often, and the title to them becomes so twisted and convoluted that no one felt he could give permission. So, I removed mention of those songs. Doing so hurt the book, since the Standin' on the Corner Park in Winslow, Arizona, takes its very existence from the song.

I'm rambling, but the bottom line is that the legalities make it wise and much less expensive to use generic names. Besides, "The Tiki Lounge" has a nice ring to it, even if it is generic, and the owner is catering to the tourists, who think it has a nice ring to it. Farther inland, where the Hawaiians congregate, I'm sure the lounge has a much more authentic name.

Added: Friday 25 January 2013 09:53:44 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

Larry Manetti from Magnum PI to guest star on Five-0 episode #17
They need local consultants for the eps. as always. This time they have Manetti running something called The Tiki Lounge. That is a generic descriptive title. Not a name of a place. May as well have called his place "The Tiki Bar and Grill". Wait. Already some goof did that here. dumb!
A tiki lounge is what tourists ask for here. Should have been something like Moana's Tiki Lounge. or Kimo's Tiki Hut or something li'dat.
Pa'ani the ep title means play, sport, game, amusement, joke.

Added: Thursday 24 January 2013 23:43:55 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

People were complaining at IMDB about the end of the Scandal show being cut as well:

The On Demand channel cut out the ending. Left out the scene at Steve's house. Not sure why they cut out the ending.
===
I watch the on-demand version, and I noticed that too, just one second of some sailboats? windsurfers?, then an awkward cut to credits.

As far as Norm in Hookman is concerned, in the original show, he was some middle-aged white guy. No idea if he was a "local."

Added: Thursday 24 January 2013 16:39:39 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

decided to see 5-0 "scandal" episode on demand today. "scandal"? i thought there would be appearances from the actors of ABC'S SCANDAL show.

back to 5-0, pretty good stuff i say BUT-----

on demand, something weird happened and i dunno if anybody else saw this on demand. so the McG and Danno arrest the crooked congressman at the end, then there are the overhead shots of beautiful Hawaii....then POOF! CREDITS! final scenes were missing! mr mike mentioned more scenes after that but nothing on my tv. wow! big F up there! hope this blooper didn't occur online.

Added: Thursday 24 January 2013 15:50:51 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

"Norm's jewellery store Norm, by the way, is played by Max Weinberg,."
Wot da heck?! A Jew Ish guy?! Why don't they get locals for these bit parts!

Added: Thursday 24 January 2013 13:54:40 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"BUT what about the music? Are they using Morton Stevens' Emmy Award-winning score? -- ALL of it in ALL the right places, PLEASE!!!"

Ha!!! That'll be the day. Even despite things like copyright issues, it seems like this new show is going out of its way to distance itself musically as far as possible from the original. I mean what is even the point of the Five-0 theme in the opening credits when not a single snippet of that music is ever used in the actual show???

Added: Thursday 24 January 2013 12:58:55 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

You will notice in the photo montage that it looks like they are going to duplicate the opening of the original show where the coffin flies out of the hearse after it runs into another car. Because this is 2013, though, the coffin will open and there will be a super gross shot of the decomposed body, no doubt. ;)

There also seems to be a shot taken inside what I assume is Norm's jewellery store (I think you can see "NORM" in reverse on the window -- sorry, I don't have access to large versions of these pictures). Norm, by the way, is played by Max Weinberg, the bandleader from Conan O'Brien's show.

Added: Thursday 24 January 2013 12:09:58 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

R.I.P. Eddie Sherman.

Here's a letter from "Mona": http://bit.ly/10Oqs1Q

Added: Thursday 24 January 2013 11:30:37 MST


Submitted by: Joekido


From: Interesting. Only if the scripts were soild written it would be more interesting

Added: Thursday 24 January 2013 11:23:09 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Bravo to Larry Manetti! Turn the show around, Orville!

JL even looks great in a poorly done montage. Some people just have it, and some do not.

The collage of "Hookman" takes is good, BUT what about the music? Are they using Morton Stevens' Emmy Award-winning score? -- ALL of it in ALL the right places, PLEASE!!!

Added: Thursday 24 January 2013 11:17:41 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Montage of photos from upcoming "Hookman" episode, kind of crudely assembled, please don't complain! ;)

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/Hookman/Hookman.jpg

Added: Thursday 24 January 2013 10:48:20 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Larry Manetti from Magnum PI to guest star on Five-0 episode #17

http://bit.ly/SHp0KV

Added: Thursday 24 January 2013 10:28:21 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

LOL.

http://bit.ly/SHmtQW

Added: Thursday 24 January 2013 10:15:20 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

New tweet for Lenkov: Would really like to see a high quality show after three years of watching it every week and hoping it would turn into one. Lenkov response: Patience :)

New Tweet: Lenkov you're a hack! Lenkov response: I know, and I'm laughing all the way to the bank pal! :D

Okay, shifting gears. I watched "Skinhead" last night gang, with someone who had never seen it, and they were stunned by it's power, and they kept talking about it long after it was over. That's why the old show was a classic, and why so many of us have been disappointed with the new show. When I first saw "Skinhead" when I was 14 that last dressing down of Kenner by Steve formed my moral code. "A Man! Do you even know what that word means? You haven't got a clue do you?" That scene told me what a man was, how I was supposed to act, how I would conduct myself in the real world, and what I should stand for. Today when I think of all the women who have complimented me on how I treat them, when people thank me for how I conduct myself, I trace it back to the power of that episode to educate and teach me right from wrong, to teach me about life. That's great television. You got that from the old Five-O and from shows like the "Fugitive". What do most, not all shows today, teach society? Degenerate behavior. What does the new Five-O teach kids today? How to drink beer on the beach at the end of every day?

For those who don't want to think too hard, well at least you're honest about what you want, but for Lenkov and the rest of the Five-O crew I tell you to push yourself to deliver something more meaningful with the new show than simply cashing your check, which is all they have been doing.

Added: Thursday 24 January 2013 08:02:00 MST


Submitted by: Theresa
From: Western New York

The Star Advertiser has reported the death of Eddie Sherman of a massive heart attack. He was 88.

Added: Wednesday 23 January 2013 16:29:27 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

In response to Mr. Mike’s comment regarding U.S. Senate succession rules, each state is responsible for their own.

Hawaii’s law requires that the political party of the person vacating the seat present three names from that party to the Governor for the appointment. The Governor then makes the appointment from that list, and that person serves until the next general election. In the case of Daniel Inouye, Brian Schatz was appointed by the Governor there to succeed him from the list of names. In the November 2014 general election, Schatz will be on the ballot to serve the remainder of Inouye’s term, which will end in January 2017. If he runs again in the November 2016 election, it would be for a full six-year term. Hawaii’s law is also designed to ensure that the appointment does not create a party change in the seat being vacated; in this case, a Democrat succeeds a Democrat.

As previously mentioned, Massachusetts allows the Governor to appoint an interim successor, with a special election required within a specified period of time. In this instance, the winner of the special election would be seated immediately upon certification of the election results. Most states defer this until the next general election in order to save money, as special elections are expensive to stage. It is also important to note that some Governors will appoint caretakers who will not run in the general election, while others will go ahead and appoint someone who is certain to run. Massachusetts’ Governor appointed a caretaker to the seat when Sen. Ted Kennedy passed away, and he has said that he plans to do so again this time if/when Sen. Kerry is confirmed as Secretary of State.

With regard to U.S. House seats, the rules vary by state, but usually the Governor declares a special election for the seat when vacated, and an interim appointment is not made. I believe the vacating Congressman’s staff is still able to serve constituents, but under the direction of another department or agency until the seat is occupied again.

Added: Wednesday 23 January 2013 16:17:32 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Wait!! Huh?? Terry Plunkett still alive??

I thought like all the other guys (Robert Luck, Yankee Chang, etc.) he'd been long gone. But it appears that he's set to show up in the new "Hookman" episode. Unless it's his son.

Added: Wednesday 23 January 2013 12:53:52 MST


Submitted by: Bill K.
From: Detroit area

Based on that earlier story, I'm hoping the press release was merely an oversight and that Baker and Olson get a credit on the Feb. 4 episode.

Added: Wednesday 23 January 2013 11:16:05 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

"even going so far as to secure the same locations used in the original episode.” huh. Good luck on that!

Added: Wednesday 23 January 2013 10:06:25 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

http://bit.ly/QC7l7h

From the original story about this, back in November:

The current series’ Executive Story Editor, Joe Halpin, wrote the teleplay for the upcoming episode and consulted with the original’s writers, Rod Baker and Glen Olson, not only to explain the current series’ vision of sticking close to the original, but also to get their blessing.

“We at Hawaii Five-0 hold the original series in reverence, and to be able to go to their well of incredible storytelling is such an honor,” says Peter Lenkov, Executive Producer of the current incarnation of Hawaii Five-0. “Aside from updating a few sign-of-the-times elements, we are using the original as a roadmap to stay true to each and every element that made ‘Hookman’ such a beloved hour of television, even going so far as to secure the same locations used in the original episode.”

Added: Wednesday 23 January 2013 08:57:51 MST


Submitted by: Bill K.
From: Detroit area

I was looking over the CBS press release for the Hookman remake and saw a possible red flag.

WRITTEN BY: Joe Halpin
DIRECTED BY: Peter Weller

Uh, what about Glen Olson and Rod Baker? You know, the guys who wrote the original script.

In the 1990s, there was that Dean Cain-Teri Hatcher version of Superman. It did a remake of an episode from the old George Reeves series, "Panic in the Sky." For the remake, the writer of the original, Jackson Gillis (who later wrote for Five-O), got a "story by" credit.

Now maybe Olson and Baker will get some kind of similar credit when the episode airs Feb. 4. Based on those stills, there's more than enough in the new episode to merit them getting a credit.

Added: Wednesday 23 January 2013 08:47:42 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Lenkov had a Tweeting marathon last night:

Hoping we'll see fallout from Noshimuris very soon! Michael & gun, Adam & what he's hiding... Ditto. Patience

How about Danny's bro Matt? Kind of an unfinished story waiting to be told, right? Would be epic drama :) patience

[A]ny chance of bringing back @autumnreeser 2get Gabby and Danny 2gether again on #H50?” Trying

Any more Danno & Gracie time coming up? I hope so, they're the cutest father-daughter team on TV :) working on it

Ms Fern LOVES Doris McG #H50” lots more Doris coming up

Will you ever kill off Wo Fat?” He'll suffer. I promise.

Now that Wo Fat is back, are we going to see Doris McG again soon on #H50” very soon

I think you need to have ALL the Baldwin's on the show!!!” We're trying ;)

Added: Wednesday 23 January 2013 08:24:45 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Honolulu Pulse article which talks about filming Sunday night's prison episode:

http://bit.ly/VVLIi9

Added: Wednesday 23 January 2013 08:00:31 MST


Submitted by: Bill K.
From: Detroit area

re: special elections for U.S. Senate seats

Much of it seems to depend on how many years are left on a term.

John Kerry has been nominated to be secretary of state. If he gets it, the Massachusetts governor will appoint a replacement. HOWEVER, they will then have a special election in 2014 to serve the rest of Kerry's original term.

Added: Wednesday 23 January 2013 06:28:05 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I watched Monday night's show again. This was actually the THIRD time I watched it. (I wanted to experience it in glorious Dolby 5.1 and also check out the subtitles.)

I noticed something weird, I think a line was censored.

When Danno and McGarrett come out of the campaign office after grilling Amy the chief of staff the first time they meet her, Danno says that she is a terrible liar, and that "The professor was [something] Serena in a bathroom stall at 9:15 PM." The subtitles translate this as "The professor was shot and now Serena in a bathroom stall at 9:15 PM," which doesn't make any sense. If you listen carefully, it sounds like he says "The professor was shogging off Serena in a bathroom stall at 9:15 PM." I can't see if his mouth is saying something else, though.

There are other questions from my re-viewing...

According to Chin, only the caretaker claims to have a key to the house where the murder took place, other than the owners, who are out of town. But if this is true, how did the Congressman get into the house where he was staying? And how did Amy get into the house later, where she found the body (obviously Freed was not there, because Wo Fat had probably kidnapped him by that point, otherwise Amy would have seen him -- unless, of course, she witnessed Wo kidnapping Freed and never told anyone about this).

The reason the "special election" is being held is because "Senator Chang died in office." I wonder if this is obliquely referring to long-term Hawaiian Senator Daniel Inouye, who died in mid-December (I think the show would have been filmed before this, though)? But after Inouye died, they didn't have an election to choose someone else, the current Governor of Hawaii appointed the Lieutenant-Governor to replace him (this was not Inouye's first choice). Would an election be held in these kind of circumstances in the States?

When they are driving back from interviewing the murdered woman's roommate, Chin Ho makes a pretty rank comment that "The guys we're dealing with [who pick up hookers] usually aren't thinking with their heads ... not the big one anyway." At this point Kono almost bursts out laughing. I think that Grace Park was not anticipating this line.

The license plates on the SUV following Chin and Kono (spies from the Governor) has a license plate which starts with G12, then 35846. But it is a "US Government" plate, not one from the state of Hawaii. Is this correct?

Added: Wednesday 23 January 2013 00:22:12 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

"What's up with all this man-hugging like at the end of last night's episode? "

Almost EVERY relationship portayed in this series is completely unbelievable, and the moments that are believable are rare and few and don't even come close to making up for all the unbelievable moments. And when they try to make people "human" they just don't succeed.

One of the main reason why there are mass shootings like there are in this society is because people are, ultimately -- lonely. Lonliness is a deep inner pain that can gnaw away at you over time. And watching more shows like this Hawaii Five-0 just exacerbates the lonliness. That's why shows like this (and many many others out there) just make our societal woes even worse.

I think this is the main reason why I like Blue Bloods. I normaly do not care for cop shows, but there is a real "reality" and depth of human interaction there that this Hawaii Five-O has almost never achieved not once.

Added: Tuesday 22 January 2013 21:03:57 MST


Submitted by: DeliWaiter
From: SpamCanland

What's up with all this man-hugging like at the end of last night's episode? McG and Danno embrace in a big hug that totally sickens me. Next they will be kissing. What happened to a firm handshake and a "Good job, men"? I have noticed this man-hugging behavior quite a lot lately, especially between teammates at sporting events. I don;t get it, why would a men want to hug when a simple handshake would suffice. I could say more but then this post might never see the light of the board. Sheesh. I wish JL could come back and whip this show into shape.

Added: Tuesday 22 January 2013 20:40:16 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

I think it's the same rooftop, although the houses have been updated since 1973 (I hope so). The remake of "Hookman" can be very good; however, the way the series remake is playing out... Need I say more?

Do hope they use Morton Stevens' Emmy Award-winning music. Nothing else can compare.

Added: Tuesday 22 January 2013 19:22:31 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The pictures are not taken at the same angle. If you look at the house behind Lord's face and behind O'Loughlin's head, they are the same. So is the house on the right of the photo. The one in the current picture has obviously been re-roofed. There are other similarities such as the electrical wires in the lower right of the picture.

Added: Tuesday 22 January 2013 19:06:28 MST


Submitted by: Joekido


From: I really hope the hookman episode will save the show

Added: Tuesday 22 January 2013 19:00:40 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

I see Terry Plunkett from "Man in a Steel Frame" will be there.

I noticed that the houses in 1973 photo are not the same ones - or at least don't look like them - as the ones in 2013 photo. It doesn't look like the Alex is standing on the same building as the one on which Jack is standing, unless only the rooftop was changed, since it looks like different materials.

Added: Tuesday 22 January 2013 18:36:41 MST


Submitted by: Diane
From: Illinois

Love the show, but when they play music you can not hear what is being said on the show.

Added: Tuesday 22 January 2013 18:30:16 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Photos and cast list from "Hookman," to be shown Monday, February 4th.

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/Hookman/

Added: Tuesday 22 January 2013 17:19:14 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

"have you never heard of stealth helicopters?"

From the Osama raid I heard of this, but I figured that is top secret military equipment.

This show is so silly. On the one hand Five-O team is suppose to be some superman team that can do things like no other team can, and then this superman team armed with machine gun can't even shoot off Wo Fat given plenty of time to do so. What a joke!

Also, and I can't recall if anyone made any comment, but about the fat man and his helicopter. That came from a previous episode. Isn't that also another height of ridiculousness? I think he parks his helicopter there on Sand Island -- I mean, isn't this SO FAR unbelievable. Is that even allowable by law?

So many things happen in this series that you got to ask if the writers even are humans who live on this planet.

Added: Tuesday 22 January 2013 11:01:40 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Mike, I also thought the makeup was inconsistent. I could have sworn that in one scene, Chin's blood was wiped away, even though in the previous shot, he had blood all over his face.

About Wo Fat's appearance: the minute I saw him I thought, oh, boy, him again? That shows how redundant his appearances are getting.

Added: Tuesday 22 January 2013 10:51:30 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Speaking of facial markings, did anyone think like me that in the prison show the night before, the bruising and bleeding on Chin Ho's face was inconsistent from one shot to the next around the time Sang Min was setting a fire and shortly after? Or was it just a matter of the lighting/camera angle?

Added: Tuesday 22 January 2013 10:45:56 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

">Who took Serena to the Governor's friends' house, if it wasn't Amy the campaign manager?

Uh, a taxi?"

She had to know to go to that house, and Amy lied about being with Serena, but someone had to have gotten in touch with Serena and told her to go there. Even if Freed was a frequent customer of hers, they'd have to have arranged the time and place to meet, unless they used telepathy.

Serena was part of this plot to set up Freed, though she might have thought it was just a regular tryst. She had to have been in touch with someone - Amy, Wo Fat, Powers, someone else working for them - to tell her to go to that house, under the pretense it was to meet Sen. Freed.

Powers would be sticking his neck out too far if he got in touch with her, so it had to be someone working for him, or Freed (like Amy). Wo Fat forced Amy to work with him, and Steve was able to link Powers through Wo Fat's cell phone records. Amy was killed before she could tell them any more, and it's obvious that Powers would want to keep his profile low in this matter, even though he planned it with Wo Fat, and not want there to be anything to link him to the crime.

That was what I meant when I asked how Serena got to that house to begin with - not what kind of car physically took her there, but who gave her the instructions to do so. It doesn't sound like any of the major parties involved did.

If Wo Fat threatened Amy into telling that false story about meeting with Serena, and Serena didn't leave the bar until 10, and Amy and Wo Fat were somewhere else, someone else got hold of Serena and placed her at the crime scene.

When they showed the murder scene photos of Serena, I saw some purplish mark on her forehead which I thought was a bullet hole, unless it was just a bruise which got darker postmortem.

Added: Tuesday 22 January 2013 10:36:54 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Rainbow, I agree, this show had promise, even though it was treading on later season territory of the old show, or as Danno said, "We're taking a case just to protect the governor's friends." It was cool that McGarrett gave the Governor a lot of mouth about being jerked around, and the Governor did not respond by saying "Steve, don't be impertinent." :D

But when Wo Fat appeared (even though I knew he was on the show from the opening credits), and it turned out that he was involved in some penny-ante scheme with local politicians, I started screaming at the TV.

And then there was the big firefight, which was totally ludicrous.

Added: Tuesday 22 January 2013 10:36:31 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Thank you Virginia and Vrinda, very well said. I'll think I'll call you two "V & V"-Hey a new show title "V & V"

Very well described Vrinda, and Bravo! John Stockton!!!

Last night's show, I actually felt was very compelling and the best, I felt in a long time until....Wo Fat showed up and the whole thing went to hell in a handbasket. The last scene with the Governor in shorts and Danny and Steve drinking beer had me ROTFLMAO. It was so stupid, and I said to the person watching the show with me "Every episode ends the same way, looking out at the water drinking beers, toasting something like it's a beer commercial." That's the ending week in and week out.

You know what Vrinda, I expected them to say "It's Miller time" last night at the end. That's the writers frame of reference -beer commercials!!! Oye

Added: Tuesday 22 January 2013 09:08:54 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

2.0 isn't the first show to try and make the audience believe a noisy, whop-whop-whop helicopter can "sneak" up on an unwitting target. In 1.0's "Death is a Company Policy," "Miss Ice Cube" wired Bryce-Halsey, Ltd., which sent a helicopter to the Makapu'u cliffs to gun down Piro Manoa, et al. In "Magnum, PI," TC also flew up to the Makapu'u cliffs to take down someone attempting to kill Magnum. No doubt, it has been done in other series, as well.

Speaking of "Death is a Company Policy," the biographical information is a mess! Maybe one of 2.0's writers created it??? For example, McGarrett's childhood telephone number was given as "780-7616." That style of telephone number did not come into existence until much later than McGarrett's childhood, even if he was 8-10 years younger than the actor who portrayed him. It also does not explain how a man who grew up in southern California has a Brooklyn accent. ROFL :D

Added: Tuesday 22 January 2013 09:07:08 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

>Who took Serena to the Governor's friends' house, if it wasn't Amy the campaign manager?

Uh, a taxi?

Amy says she picked Serena up at the Leaky Tiki bar between 9 and 9:15 and delivered her to the mansion, but she is lying, because the teacher did it with Serena in the washroom, and according to the bartender there, Serena left the place at 10:00 p.m. There was supposed to be a meeting between Freed and his opponent at the mansion at 11 p.m. (why so late?). Presumably when Amy showed up there, she found Serena's body.

>What made the Governor say to Steve that Christopher's (the Senator) DNA would be found on Serena? (This is later confounded when there is no explanation as to whether or not his DNA was ever found on her.)

The Governor knows that Freed likes to do it with hookers, either because Freed is his pal and told him this, or Amy blabbed about this to the Governor after she found the body (similar to the speech she gave to McGarrett about how Freed was "human"). According to Fong, the DNA found on her (why can't they just say "semen" and "in her"?) was not the Senator's, it was that of the English professor.

>Didn't Wo Fat (face not shown) shoot Amy in the beginning? If he didn't intend to hit her, why fire the gun?

I don't think he fired the gun, this "blast" was just an effect leading into the main titles. Obviously he didn't fire the gun, because the autopsy photos (as well as the cornstarch from the surgical gloves as determined by Fong) show that Serena was strangled, and there is no mention of gunshot wounds. So the big question is, why is Wo threatening her with a gun in the first place? As well, they seem to be on top of a hill. Are there hills in the Kahala district like this? Wikipedia describes Kahala as "fairly flat," i.e., near the ocean like Jack Lord's condo was.

>How did Sen. Powers get in touch with Wo Fat?

Looking in the phone book under "International Mastermind Spies," I guess.

>Why is Wo Fat still hanging around Hawaii as frame-up setter for hire?

Gotta take work while you can get it. Like I said, "How the mighty have fallen."

Added: Tuesday 22 January 2013 09:01:22 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

John, have you never heard of stealth helicopters?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stealth_helicopter

Only problem was, they were once again using Kamekona's machine, and I don't recall that it had stealth capability.

Added: Tuesday 22 January 2013 08:17:29 MST


Submitted by: Cristy Javier
From: Maui, Hawaii

Hawaii 50 had been one of our favorites but then lately, we do not watch it as often as we used to, for it has grown into the patern of The Mentalist. Wo Fat has become the "Red John" of 50. Sad but true, we watch TV programs to be entertained & NOT STRESSED watching a villain, which is much better than the main actor & does not die or jailed. In tonight's episode, can't be hit by Danny with all those bullets, even if he's right there in the open. We'd rather not watch the next episodes at all just like we've avoided watching The Mentalist.

Added: Tuesday 22 January 2013 00:57:49 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

Wo Fat is preety dumb. He knows something is wrong, and so he still keeps his phone on. I assume that is how Steve and Danno found out where he was--his cell phone signal.

Yeah, and I too just laughed how a Danno can't shoot straight--got a machine gun and still can't hit his mark.

And what about helicopter noise?? No helicopter can up from under a ridge without you knowing well in advance it is coming.

These are all insults to our intelligence.

Added: Tuesday 22 January 2013 00:55:24 MST


Submitted by: Joekido


From: This is a second time in a row I did not watch the new episodes. I guess I got tired of the show.

Added: Tuesday 22 January 2013 00:08:52 MST


Submitted by: Evelyn McGee
From: Vidor, Texas

Hawaii 5-0 is one of my favorite shows. I never miss it. My only complaint is the loud music. There are some episodes where I miss maybe a third of the script because the music is too loud. I know some music is necessary, and at times it is to build up suspense, but I cannot see why it needs to be so loud that we can't hear what they say. I was happy tonight that Grace could not be moved to Las Vegas! Please turn down the volume on the music. Thanks.

Added: Monday 21 January 2013 23:38:58 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

IMDB laugh of the day:

mister-mike said:
I liked the way Duke Lukela outside the prison just shook his head as if to say "They're at it again..."

ckl111 said:
The actor that plays Duke was also on the original series. I think he was shaking his head at what they have done in the name of the original show.

Added: Monday 21 January 2013 23:11:22 MST


Submitted by: GaryTucson
From: Utah

It seems that most posters on this forum feel like I do - that 5-0 COULD have been a great show but the plot problems are just too big to overlook. To have Danny, in tonight's episode, miss Wo-Fat with more than 50 rounds out of a 'machine gun' with nothing for Wo-Fat to hide behind but that dune buggy was just ludicrous!!!! Yeah, I know Wo-Fat can't die yet, but the writers could have at least TRIED to make it believable by having Danny shoot a single-shot pistol or have the rifle jam after two or three rounds, but doing it the way they did made the whole episode a cartoon instead of good drama. I can't imagine why this show can't hire writers that actually think through the scenarios and at least TRY to make them real. As two or three others have pointed out, they're just too lazy to do it right.

IMHO, Blue Bloods is a FAR better show than 5-0 because the writers are better and seem to know what they're doing. I used to LOVE 5-0, but the hack writers and their stupid plots and unbelievable scenarios are sometimes just unforgivable. I know they do it for the paycheck, but I often wonder how the actors can allow themselves to portray such well-drawn characters in such stupid ways just because the writers wrote it that way. Is there no such thing as self-respect anymore - even for a TV character? :D

Added: Monday 21 January 2013 22:26:56 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

There are too many plot holes in this one:

Who took Serena to the Governor's friends' house, if it wasn't Amy the campaign manager?

What made the Governor say to Steve that Christopher's (the Senator) DNA would be found on Serena? (this is later confounded when there is no explanation as to whether or not his DNA was ever found on her.

Didn't Wo Fat (face not shown) shoot Amy in the beginning? If he didn't intend to hit her, why fire the gun?

How did Sen. Powers get in touch with Wo Fat?

Why is Wo Fat still hanging around Hawaii as frame-up setter for hire?

The ending of this one had "Double Exposure" written all over it. Only this time, there was no way to explain how Steve and Danno knew where to find Wo Fat. At least in "Double Exposure," Steve knew where Danno and the other cops would be. In tonight's episode, they'd have to have some special radar that can detect Wo Fat to find him. They came out of nowhere just after he shot and killed that hunter and stole his ATV. Where were they a few minutes earlier?

Added: Monday 21 January 2013 22:03:52 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Theme of tonight's show: How the mighty have fallen (in more ways than one).

A question: In the old Five-O, was the Governor ever dressed totally casually? I don't recall...

Tonight's show makes two shows with a big WTF moment near the end in a row!

Added: Monday 21 January 2013 20:06:23 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Related to that, on "Blue Bloods," they debate points of law; e.g., letter of the law versus spirit of the law. In that episode, thugs broke into a home, beat the wife, threatened to shoot the husband and son, and stole the family's meager savings. The son went after the thugs with his father's gun and killed one of them.

According to the letter of the law, because the danger had passed, the son had no right to go after the thugs. According to the spirit of the law, however, the son experienced the gamut of emotions over what had happened and was afraid the thugs would return. So, should he be tried for murder? Interesting issue with far-reaching ramifications in both directions.

In short, "Blue Bloods" makes us think. Too few programs do that, anymore. 1.0 did, whether the situation was the framing of Chin Ho or the danger of guns, to name two.

Added: Monday 21 January 2013 18:03:48 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

I can easily forget anything about Hawaii Five-0 but scenes from Blue Bloods stick in my mind. My favorite moment is in that episode where where there is a hit on a gansgter that young Reagan got close to undercover, and PC Reagan and some other high cop talk about letting the hit go through (gangsters killing gangters), and young Reagan gets all irked up and says something like "I thought on the side of my car is says to "we serve and protect."

Unlike Hawaii Five-o where Five-0 memebers are outright killers and murderes of gangsters

Added: Monday 21 January 2013 16:59:49 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

John, you are not the only one to speak well of "Blue Bloods." So have I and for the same reasons. Actually, "Blue Bloods" is scoring respectably, if not outstandingly well, especially given its Friday night appearance. I think we will see it return for Season 4. For now, I'm enjoying Season 3 on television and Season 2 on DVD.

Thanks be to God for a program that shows God-fearing people making their way in this world. They sometimes struggle to hold onto their faith, but in the end, they prevail. As Frank Reagan said in the Season 2 episode "Leap of Faith," it is difficult to find a saint in the city (or in today's society). We just keep on keeping on as best as we know how.

"Blue Bloods" reflects a point made earlier today, about writers writing about the things they know. Producer Brian Burns' father was a police officer. He grew up in the business. Almost certainly, that adds credibility to the Reagan family's portrayal.

Added: Monday 21 January 2013 14:58:37 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

"I think you mean Kono's friend, don't you, John?"

Yeah. I get so frustrated with this series that I don't even want to think seriously about it anymore, or let it stick in my mind --just forget it!

"...based on what is happening with Blue Bloods (a show spoken of highly here in the past, which has even worse ratings than Five-0"

I have been one person (perhaps the only?) that has praised "Blue Bloods." I almost never watch cop shows, but this one got me hooked to it. BELEIVABLE storylines, BELIEVABLE relationships, good acting, no heavy violence, family and religious (Catholic) values (which means basically anti-gay, anti-abortion), family prayer to Christ, etc.

I am not surprised ratings are low. In fact with these kind of elements in the series, I was amazed it made it past 2 seasons. Because our society just has lost it in so many ways. We are sick with guns, violence, killings. I live in Chciago area which is rampant with killngs every week that makes national headlines

We can not blame the writers of Hawaii Five-0 for their idiotic doings -- their job is to make money, and that means give the mass audience what the mass audience wants and likes and had been conditioned to appreciate and crave for. It is so obvious that is what the writers are doing. If they did anything else they would be not doing their job. The writers of Blue Bloods will probably be given pink slips and Hawaii Five-O's will be awarded great prizes and awards for their "fine" work.

That's the USA we live in. Despite what the President and politicians say in their empty speeches about how "great" America is, the truth is America is slowly self-destructing from the inside out (morally, financically), and inevitable result which has been repeated in history many times over (violent-loving societies don't last).

Added: Monday 21 January 2013 14:02:26 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

"deus ex machina" or not, a satisfactory conclusion is mandatory in order for a piece of writing to be complete. Suddenly conjuring up far-fetched ideas in order to rush to "Pau" just doesn't make it.

Some writers write the beginning and the ending and then go back to fill in the middle. It really helps to know where you're going in order to develop the story fully. Then, no "deus ex machina" is needed. It all comes together naturally.

Added: Monday 21 January 2013 13:10:11 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

"Chin's friend?" I think you mean Kono's friend, don't you, John?

Joe, according to TV by the Numbers, last night's ratings were "strong."

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2013/01/21/tv-ratings-sunday-once-upon-a-time-revenge-fall-as-football-sacks-the-competition/165941/

But the rating of 3.4 represents a 76.7% drop from the football game, which had a rating of 14.6 for the 18-49 demographic.

The real test will come tonight, whether this increase for Five-0 results in another increase for the regularly scheduled show.

Added: Monday 21 January 2013 13:00:21 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Rainbow, your comments on the writers and their lack of life experience was extremely accurate. I was thinking about these same things as well. TV writers in '50s to '80s lived through some very tumultuous times in American and world history - the Great Depression and WWII. They did not even grow up with television, but were part of the generation that invented it and continued to reinvent it. They did not live a coddled life, either. The male writers probably fought in WWI and WWII or had to put in 2 years of service during peacetime when conscription was still going on. Many of them had to work from the time they were old enough to support their families, and did not go to college - except for the ones who might went because of the GI Bill after 1945.

These people went places, met many different types of people, had various experiences - some memorable, some not so much - and also traveled to other places. This gave them a chance to write about different things and people. Many of them were also self-educated, reading as much as possible and learning all they could about other people and places. When modern writers only experience is sitting around drinking or partying with their friends, picking up women or men, and lapping up every new gadget on the market, then they are not having a wide scope with which to write.

The world has gone through many changes in the past 50 years, and there are a lot of people out there who have experienced life far more productively than most of these modern writers have, but they are not writing for television. I don't know how these writers we have now get jobs. You don't even need a college degree to get a writing job on television.

Added: Monday 21 January 2013 12:32:50 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

"deus ex machina," Translation: A god from a machine. All those cognizant of TV and film production are familiar with this phrase. Originated in Greek and Roman drama... A stage device in which a god appeared in the sky by means of a crane (Greek, mechane) to resolve the plot of a play. - a god introduced by means of a crane in ancient stage drama to decide the final outcome - a person or thing (as in fiction or drama) that appears or is introduced suddenly and unexpectedly and provides a contrived solution to an apparently insoluble difficulty.

"...where Five-0 overrides normal procedure using the powers invested in them by the late Governor..."
Or rather "...where Five-0 overrides normal procedure using the powers "vested"... in them by the late Governor"...

Added: Monday 21 January 2013 12:14:08 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

I was suprised to see Hawaii Five-O on Sunday evening. I thought for sure it was going to be some rerun since Monday's was its regular time slot

WHAT AN IDIOTIC EPISODE! Sneaking people into prison, uncontrolable prison riot, then 3! people take control back -- utter stupidity and unbelievablity. ALso, if Chin's friend is involved in some bad secret stuff, would he leave his phone around all over. This is just nonsense.

This series stinks more and more.

Added: Monday 21 January 2013 11:44:11 MST


Submitted by: Bill K.
From: Detroit area

re: score. I've decided the music team on Five-0 is like the poor man's Hans Zimmer. It really doesn't matter which episode or what season we're talking about, but it comes across as an attempt to do Batman Begins/The Dark Knight/The Dark Knight Rises.

On YouTube, I've seen clips from James Bond movies that didn't have John Barry scores re-edited to put Barry music on them. It'd be amusing, perhaps, if somebody tried the same thing 2.0 and put a Morton Stevens score underneath it.

Added: Monday 21 January 2013 11:44:10 MST


Submitted by: Joekido


From: This episode won 12 million viewers.

Added: Monday 21 January 2013 11:16:23 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Well said, Rainbow! Bravo! Like you, I wish the producers had turned things around early on in the series. It could have been so much better.

It wouldn't have taken much to make this a really noteworthy series. A good first step would have been to take a bold, red pen to the material after writing the first draft. A good second step would have been to have had a different team write each storyline followed by a good third step, which would have been to have an independent party edit the material obviously written by different people so that it flowed consistently and believably. As has been said so many times here, the worst problem is poor writing.

As to having a pool about the cancellation of 2.0, are we voting on whether it will be cancelled or whether it should be cancelled?

Added: Monday 21 January 2013 09:58:53 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

No, the end isn't near for Five-0, if you mean it will be cancelled. Check the comment lower down, where some guy at TV by the Numbers speculates, based on what is happening with Blue Bloods (a show spoken of highly here in the past, which has even worse ratings than Five-0):

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2013/01/15/cbs-with-its-low-ratings-why-is-blue-bloods-certain-to-be-renewed/165251/

Maybe we should have a pool as to whether the show will be cancelled or not! :!devil:

Added: Monday 21 January 2013 08:50:27 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Last night's show had a an interesting premise, and was involving, but it was badly executed and soon became ridiculous, which caused it to lose any sort of true drama and led it to become a cartoon. The writers on this show don't know how to craft a well rounded episode, and they have always turned in a" paint by the lowest common denominator scripts" year in and year out with a few exceptions. Most, not all, writing in television today is this poor because the writers lack life experience, and lack a background in great literature, so they write what they know which is booze, sex, comic books. They teach in writing courses "write what you know" and that's what they know. They get away with it because of a general public that makes excuses for these types of shows and say "I like it because I don't want to think too hard." Problem is most of society NEVER "wants to think too hard" which is why the world today is in such bad shape.

If what I read here a while back is true, that CBS is moving this show to Friday night, that means the death knell is soon to be ringing for this Five-O. I was a very loyal "JAG" fan which was a hit on Tuesday night for many years. Going into it's last season they moved it to Friday nights on CBS, and canceled it at the end of it's first year on Friday's, after nine years on the air. If CBS sends this show to Friday, that means the end is near. Too bad, they could have improved it and turned it around, but they were too lazy, too stupid, or just too ignorant to do it.

Added: Monday 21 January 2013 08:41:04 MST


Submitted by: Bill K.
From: Detroit area

So I watched the Sunday show, the first episode I've seen in a while. (To be honest, the You Only Live Twice and Licence to Kill ripoffs in the first episode this season turned me off, although my interest had been waning for a while).

A couple observations/questions:

1. Chin fights quite well despite losing 10 percent or so of his blood supply.

2. I like how three Five-Oers (albeit heavily armed) could stop the prison riot by themselves. Also, were they firing live ammo or rubber bullets? I don't recall anything being said about rubber bullets, but I could have missed it if they did. If Five-O was using live ammo, how many inmates did they kill?

Added: Monday 21 January 2013 08:09:02 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

No, Vrinda, the ending of Double Exposure was not "more believable." You have made up this little back story to explain what happened prior to McGarrett arriving with his machine gun blazing, but this is strictly a figment of your imagination. This ending is what Karen Rhodes describes as "McGarrett ex machina," a play on the words "deus ex machina," described by Wikipedia as "a plot device whereby a seemingly unsolvable problem is suddenly and abruptly solved with the contrived and unexpected intervention of some new event, character, ability, or object."

The ending of tonight's show -- with Five-0 commandeering the helicopter and dropping into the prison -- made total sense within the world of the new Five-0, where Five-0 overrides normal procedure using the powers invested in them by the late Governor Jameson. That this resolution was almost expected of them can be seen in Duke Lukela's reaction where he sort of shakes his head as if to say "Well, they're at it again." What transpired, with Five-0 wiping out and scaring off hundreds of rioting prisoners, was just as stupid as the ending of the earlier show.

What it boils down to is, the writers once again failed miserably, painting themselves into a corner with this episode and that was the only way out of it. How else could they have ended the show?

Added: Sunday 20 January 2013 23:07:26 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

"The ending of this show was ridiculous. Three guys take on almost a thousand prisoners? How could Five-0 do the job which the Halawa guards and HPD combined couldn't do?
" was just watching this ep at da Aloha Tower, at a bar there with a couple guys who worked as extras in this ep, and also an active Sherriff too who explained all the ways and means this was not at all realistic and would never occur in this manner, in fact would go down like this:..." and I replied to him, "eh braddah, it is only a TV show. An escapist bit of fantasy. If we wanna watch "the truth" or something accurately realistic, we would watch a boring documentary. Meantime, we are happy to watch this unreality show. I don't wanna watch a reality show. Too many of em on already!"
True dat, he said.

Added: Sunday 20 January 2013 22:46:11 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

"This ending was about as stupid as the one as the end of Double Exposure in the original series, where McGarrett suddenly appeared out of nowhere in a helicopter, blasting a machine gun and wiping out the bad guys."

From a technical standpoint, the helicopter couldn't have come out of nowhere. It had to have been following the cops in the cars, keeping in touch by radio. The only problem was how Steve and the pilot knew when and from where to fly over. The only explanation I could give is that Steve watched to see who was where as they were approaching, and then decided where to open fire. I think the writers were trying to make it a surprise element, but some scenes showing what Steve was going to do and how the helicopter arrives where it does would have made it more believable.

However, that was a much more believable ending than the one in tonight's show.

Added: Sunday 20 January 2013 22:28:04 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

>The biggest plot hole was how Delano's men got Chin into Halawa in the first place.

Probably the same way as in S02E01 where Wo Fat at the end disguised himself as a guard, got into Halawa, murdered Hesse and walked back out through the prison (where there were seemingly no other prisoners or guards).

Even if they paid off the guard who smuggled Chin into the prison, it makes you wonder why no one -- like any of the other guards -- saw this happening. This is not some rinky-dink little prison. There are almost 1,000 prisoners in Halawa, and there are about 1,900 male inmates from HCF that are housed in out-of-state contracted facilities in Arizona!

>It looks like, since Five-O had to use Kamekona's helicopter and the warden insisted on following protocol, that Five-O was not supposed to go in there at all, so there would not have been any backup even authorized to go in with them since they were not authorized to be there.

Five-0 is obviously using its "ways and means" provision to override "protocol," even though the Governor wanted them to stop abusing their power like this and we wasted half of season two with Lori, supposedly the Governor's stooge, not doing her job to keep Five-0 in check.

This ending was about as stupid as the one as the end of Double Exposure in the original series, where McGarrett suddenly appeared out of nowhere in a helicopter, blasting a machine gun and wiping out the bad guys.

By the way, Joe, there will never be any season three episodes with five stars, or any other season episode with this number of stars, because the maximum I give is only four. :!smirk:

Added: Sunday 20 January 2013 22:14:32 MST


Submitted by: Joekido


From: Dang, can there be any season 3 episodes that would have 5 stars? This just shows that Lenkov is not a good showrunner. No wonder the ratings are so low

Added: Sunday 20 January 2013 22:10:28 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

The biggest plot hole was how Delano's men got Chin into Halawa in the first place. They only show one guard as being corrupt and in on the plot. Was it bad story writing which caused them not to explain whether the other guards were complicit, or did they not want to hire more actors to play the other guards who had to be in on this?

It looks like, since Five-O had to use Kamekona's helicopter and the warden insisted on following protocol, that Five-O was not supposed to go in there at all, so there would not have been any backup even authorized to go in with them since they were not authorized to be there.

Even with all these plot glitches, that I say this episode was better than the previous ones only tells you how bad how those were.

Added: Sunday 20 January 2013 21:47:33 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The ending of this show was ridiculous. Three guys take on almost a thousand prisoners? How could Five-0 do the job which the Halawa guards and HPD combined couldn't do?

Almost as stupid was the way the guards conveniently were nowhere to be seen for much of the show, other than the REALLY REALLY bad guard Warrick (Matt Gerald).

Of course, Halawa is a cesspool of corruption, and McGarrett actually confronts the warden, who brushes him off, saying that "protocol" has to be followed. Why did they wait until now to make this an issue? Continually portraying Halawa in such a bad light must really be embarrassing for the people who work there.

The flash-forward structure of the show with Delano's brother getting taken down at the beginning was wrong. It would have been much more suspenseful if Chin had been kidnapped, then they cut to the main titles. It almost made me think that they ran short of material!

The featured music by Jimi Hendrix was unfortunately mixed in with the usual garbage. I thought it was going to be much more prominent.

Chin Ho's makeup showing blood on his face when Sang Min was trying to create a fire was really inconsistent from one shot to the next.

Leilani, the nurse, is obviously going to be Chin's new girl friend (and will probably meet some horrible fate, alas).

Added: Sunday 20 January 2013 21:30:41 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Tonight's was a better episode than in recent weeks. There were some plot glitches, but I will leave that to you to see. If you haven't seen it yet, I will say this much: Daniel Dae Kim steals the show. You'll be at the edge of your seat every minute.

Added: Sunday 20 January 2013 21:22:41 MST


Submitted by: Dan
From: South Brunswick, NJ

I'm Calling it before it is reviled

Daniel Baldwin is playing Frank Delano/Billy Baldwin's brother
From:
and wants revenge on Chin for his Brother's death

Added: Sunday 20 January 2013 20:28:15 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

"Attention all Jack Lord and Western fans: STONEY BURKE: THE COMPLETE SERIES is now up for pre-ordering..."

YIPPEE AI KAI AE!!!

(How do you spell Yippee ai kai ae???)

Added: Sunday 20 January 2013 12:16:32 MST


Submitted by: Jeff
From: Denver

Attention all Jack Lord and Western fans: STONEY BURKE: THE COMPLETE SERIES is now up for pre-ordering on Amazon at the link below. It's an April 16th release for $35.99 (currently).

Already ordered my copy--can't wait. Been waiting a long time for this one.

amzn.to/Xq8lIY :!party:

Added: Sunday 20 January 2013 10:05:58 MST


Submitted by: AJ
From: NY

Does anyone know exactly what it is that Colonel Mikhail "Misha the Bear" Toptygin barks out when he sees Wo Fat's boat pulling away from the dock (which Kono is surveilling) in part 2 of "F.O.B. Honolulu"? (It sounds like it's probably a string of Russian expletives. :!swear: )

Added: Saturday 19 January 2013 22:09:36 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Just so you won't be confused, take note that there are new shows on both Sunday and Monday (times apply to both Canada and the USA, at least on the west coast):

Sunday, 7:00 PM

When Chin is kidnapped and left in Halawa prison dressed as an inmate, he must escape before the other prisoners recognize him.

Monday, 10:00 PM

The night before an election, the governor asks the team to investigate when a prostitute is found dead in a missing congressman's bed; Danny waits for a custody decision.

Added: Saturday 19 January 2013 19:12:55 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Comment from "family friendly" site:

http://www.commonsensemedia.org/tv-reviews/hawaii-five-0-0

What parents need to know

Parents need to know that Hawaii Five-0 is an often-violent cop show -- and a more intense remake of the classic TV series -- that focuses on an elite unit of crime fighters who are tasked with bringing down the worst elements of Hawaii’s underground, with very little in the way of rules or regulations (or regards to civil rights) to get in their way. There's a lot of shooting first and asking questions later -- though not everyone survives the shooting part. Expect lots of gunfights, often using automatic weapons, and some deaths. As the series has progressed, it's grown more violent, and more likely to focus on murder than other crimes. Viewers will see car accidents, scantily clad women in jeopardy, serial killers, dead bodies, violence that causes blood to splatter everywhere, and so on. There are also autopsies with bloody, gory dead bodies on a table, and graphic photos of their injuries displayed above. Beach scenes are often an excuse for the camera to leer at women in bikinis. Other than the name, the location, and -- of course -- the theme music, there's little connection between this series (which, like most contemporary crime shows, also includes some drinking, language, and skimpy outfits) and the original.

Added: Saturday 19 January 2013 11:26:34 MST


Submitted by: Islander
From: PEI, Canada

Mr.Mike, I'm in the Atlantic time zone - we get the same feed as the Eastern zone, everything is just on one hour later. 10PM EST is 11PM AST so the killer was the boss.

I watch through Shaw Direct satellite, so the only HD feed I can get is the Global one. Shaw owns Global so they sim-sub right over the CBS feed. Only way to vote was through twitter. I don't twit so I didn't vote.

I think NTV out of Newfoundland runs it earlier in the evening. I have no idea how that one ended.

Added: Saturday 19 January 2013 17:28:15 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Via ProBoards Five-0 group http://bit.ly/U98NxJ, Danno calendar photo was probably Photoshopped from this one: http://twitpic.com/bwk9o2

Here is calendar pix from show: http://bit.ly/W6LNA2

Another one probably from same session (also see Google Images): http://bit.ly/10qfnUD

Added: Saturday 19 January 2013 09:21:42 MST


Submitted by: John Hall
From: Montreal

Btw. I just got an email from apple TV telling me I could download the two "non-aired" alternate ending along with the original episode which I got Tuesday morning.

Added: Friday 18 January 2013 21:36:10 MST


Submitted by: John
From: Montreal

do we know yet who was guilty in which area, I watched it on Apple TV yesterday and it was the boss, did apple TV have the same ending everywhere or did they mirror the TV transmissions?

Added: Friday 18 January 2013 16:02:32 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Mr. Mike, I figured it must be something like that - various syndication packages. Actually what you posted perfectly illustrates what I was saying. I'm assuming the episodes in bold are the ones that got shown and the ones not in bold were the ones skipped. So you'll see that both "Bomb, Bomb..." and "Right Grave..." from season 7 are not in bold - they were the ones getting skipped. Also "Anatomy of a Bribe" and "A Killer Grows Wings" and "Love Thy Neighbor..." from season 8 were also always being skipped. But "The Capsule Kidnapping" was always shown.

Actually there was a time in the late 90s that I recall them all being shown - none were skipped. And then I guess they came out with a new syndication package or something because around 2000 or 2001 I started noticing all these skips. And what's funny is that seasons 1-5 were pretty much intact - no skips. Then starting around season 6 or 7 is when these skips begin. Around this time (2000/2001) is also when I noticed them severely cutting the episodes - they would cut out the commercial wave completely. You'd see McG running down the palace steps and then they'd cut straight to a commercial. Totally killed any suspense that was brewing.

Oh well. No matter now. We've got the DVDs! :)

Added: Friday 18 January 2013 12:08:24 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I think the reason that some episodes are skipped over has something to do with the various packages of the show that CBS sold to TV stations. If you go to this page you will find information:

http://syndicationbible.cbstvd.com/series/hawaii_five_o/hawaii_five_0_complete.htm

This has to do with the digital remastering of episodes (and has some connection to the infamous "Family Channel" episodes, as far as I recall).

Unfortunately, there were different packages released over the last 15 years or so, so trying to make sense of this in light of what you pointed out with certain episodes being skipped does not necessarily jive with what is on these pages.

Added: Friday 18 January 2013 11:13:50 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"Skinhead" is indeed a strong episode. Though I must admit that it doesn't quite make my TOP 10 list for season 4. I guess it's a testament to how strong the season is overall. But also because I tend to lean towards the more elaborate crime stories on the show (e.g. "While You're At It, Bring in the Moon" or "Didn't We Meet at a Murder?"). Stuff like that.

Some contemporary issues episodes are indeed very good (like "Skinhead" or especially "Nightmare in Blue") but others tend to be a bit on the dull side for me (like "Paniolo" or "To Kill or Be Killed" even though I will admit that the latter had a gripping ending).

And I know exactly what you're saying about certain episodes not being shown in re-runs. When I watched them they would show them in the correct order but for whatever reason they would skip over many of the episodes - and it was always those same episodes that got skipped. For instance when it came to season 6 they would always show "Killer at Sea" and then they would skip "30,000 Rooms and I Have the Key" and go right into season 7's "The Young Assassins". Then they would show the next 2 or 3 episodes and then skip "Bomb, Bomb, Who's Got the Bomb?" Then they'd show the next episode but skip "Right Grave--Wrong Body" after that. I could never figure out why they did that. And it was always the same episodes that were being skipped.

Added: Friday 18 January 2013 10:54:42 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

In regard to the choose-the-ending experiment on Monday, can someone from Canada confirm who was the choice in the Canadian Eastern time zone?

There doesn't seem to be much information about any of the results on the Internet (Facebook, Twitter, etc.) that I can find.

I'm assuming that the results for EST/CST and PST were the same in both countries, because #thestudent was the (inexplicable) choice in both Canada and the USA for PST.

Also, I would be curious to know who was the choice in areas where there was no voting, i.e., Atlantic Canada, MST, Hawaii, etc.

I would have suspected the TA to be the killer, because he had the closest contact with Professor Cutler, his boss. As well, he was a sleazy individual who was selling exams to students (like "the student," see following).

The student was the least likely, and Danno had to send McGarrett a picture of the kid because McGarrett couldn't remember him at all (the only one of the three who got this treatment). Due to the fact that I was in a flap because I had to watch the show while it was on using a 12" monitor hooked up to my DVD recorder, and had to squint to see anything on the screen, I kept thinking "the student, who is 'the student,' the kid who found the body at the beginning of the show?"

As far as the boss was concerned, did he have access to Cutler's computer and research notes? I already mentioned that If he published a paper based on Cutler's work later, Cutler's academic pals would probably recognize that something fishy was going on.

All three of these possibilities were lamely written, as revealed by the endings on the CBS and Canadian Global TV sites which were virtually the same up to 2:07 of the final act, from which point, everything WAS the same.

There were a lot of questions, like how could each of the killers have determined that Stephens was connected to Cutler? This presupposes an equal level of geekiness in terms of snooping with computers for all of them. Did all three of them have access to the presumably large amount of acid which was used to try and dissolve Cutler's body? Why would all three of them do this "murder staged to look like a robbery" in the university lab, as opposed to some other location (not to mention by some other means)? And finally, how could they all have flown to Niihau under the pretext of being part of a hunting party? This requires establishing an alibi for the time they are away from Oahu, getting a rifle, pretending that they have some interest in hunting, etc.

More here: http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/2010-log3.htm#12

Added: Friday 18 January 2013 10:35:03 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Ringfire,

"Skinhead" was the show that made me fall in love with "Five-O" when I watched it, in re-runs, back in the 1980's. I had just started watching the show in re-runs and wasn't familiar with it, when I saw "SkinHead" and was repulsed and compelled by the strong story. When that ending came it literally blew me off my feet, because I had never seen a tv show end with that type of power. The fact that, as a thirteen or fourteen year old, I saw it on a Friday afternoon made it's impact linger, and I couldn't forget it all weekend. From that moment on, I was hooked on Five-o, and had to watch the re-runs every day, because I couldn't get enough of it. Unfortunately, the re-runs were often shown out of order, or always seemed to be missing episodes, or stop at season seven only to go back to season one, which is why I am really experiencing the show for the first time with the DVD's.

Have a good weekend all!

Added: Friday 18 January 2013 07:59:48 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2013/01/15/cbs-with-its-low-ratings-why-is-blue-bloods-certain-to-be-renewed/165251/

With such low ratings, why is Blue Bloods "certain to be renewed"?

CBS is a well oiled money printing syndication machine, and has shown that it will sacrifice low current ratings (and ad revenue) for the bounty (or even the potential bounty, hello The Good Wife!) that the syndication gods provide I christened a new rule: If a CBS produced & aired scripted show reaches a third season it is certain to receive a fourth. That fourth season typically ensures at least the minimum number of episodes (~88) needed for stripped syndication.

That's why Blue Bloods has been "certain to be renewed" since the very start of the season. This is its third season, and it must see a fourth to reach 88 episodes.

That's also why Hawaii Five-0 was "certain to be renewed", but after a very slow ratings start, it finished the Fall reasonably well for a 10pm show, so it doesn't provoke the same level of questioning.

Added: Thursday 17 January 2013 21:11:47 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Judge for yourself if Sang Min is showing too much information:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/images/sangmin.jpg

Added: Thursday 17 January 2013 20:55:29 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"Finally, the one thing that doesn't make sense at all is Wo Fat's plot against McGarrett. Chances are if Wo had just let Steve alone, no one would have found out that Wo was blackmailing Donald Pleasance to turn off the missile tracking system. I think Wo would have gotten away with it. The set up of Steve actually helped to stop the plot. Thoughts Ringfire or anyone?"

Yep, that's my biggest beef with the episode. You go to all this trouble (McG double, Swiss bank account, rigged accident, induced paralysis, 4-year wait, perfect frame-up, millions of dollars spent to engineer the whole thing, etc.) to just make Steve busy with clearing his name? In order to divert his attention from what Wo Fat would be doing in Hawaii during that time? Seems like a bunch of nonsense. The simple fact that this was so elaborately engineered only helped to put McG on Wo's scent. Had Wo never bothered with any of these machinations McG would never have had any reason to suspect him. McG wouldn't even have had a clue that Mr. Fat was up to something. Wo Fat basically sabotaged his own plan with this whole thing.

Also the second part just doesn't have the suspense of the first part. It's very set-bound. All takes place inside Diamond Head crater - obviously a set. I rather like the James Bondian design - sliding doors, blinking red lights when doors slide open, underground meeting rooms and clinics, long dark hallways, carts carrying personnel back and forth, etc. Even Blofeld himself - Donald Pleasence is there! ;) But there is really little in terms of suspense - just checking files and dossiers, talking to medical staff, talking to big-wigs from Washington, talking about various missile launches and blackouts, Donald Pleasence mumbling something about Wo Fat forcing him to torture his own daughter. Something to do with allergic pollen from an air conditioner. Eh, whatever.

After that I watched "Skinhead" which is definitely a stronger episode. With a powerful ending!

Added: Thursday 17 January 2013 11:24:58 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Ringfire.

I finished watching "The Ninety Second War Part II" a couple of days ago, and I agree with Mr. Mike that it was a three star episode, but it declined in quality from previous two parters in prior seasons. Usually, I really look forward and enjoy the Five-O two parters because they are of the highest quality, but this one was not up to the others. A few reasons why I felt that way. It seems lke they went through an awful lot of story just for the payoff of observing a Chinese missile test. I was expecting a bigger plot scenario, and I felt it lacking. Also, I felt this was a "set-up" episode that was designed to show the shift that was upcoming in Wo Fat's character from Red Chinese agent to "rogue" agent. At this time, Nixon was on his way to China to open up relations, so the idea of this hostility between Red China and the USA was waning. The lame line at the end "Well this will force our government to be more flexible in dealing with China now that we know that they have the bomb." was a weak attempt to incorporate what was going on in the real world with the meeting between Nixon and Mao less than a month later in February 1972. In reality, the USA and China came together because of their shared mistrust and loathing of the Soviet Union, so the show is kind of off base.

Finally, the one thing that doesn't make sense at all is Wo Fat's plot against McGarrett. Chances are if Wo had just let Steve alone, no one would have found out that Wo was blackmailing Donald Pleasance to turn off the missile tracking system. I think Wo would have gotten away with it. The set up of Steve actually helped to stop the plot. Thoughts Ringfire or anyone?

Added: Thursday 17 January 2013 08:37:14 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

When the show was broadcast here (N.J./NYC area), there were no subtitles when Chin spoke to the woman.

Thankfully, I didn't see anything when Sang Min crossed his legs.

Added: Thursday 17 January 2013 08:34:17 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

My boring anal-ysis on Monday night's show is posted in the usual place. I have a couple of questions:

1. When the show was broadcast in the States, and Chin was talking to the woman on Niihau, were there subtitles? The closed captioning translated what was said into English.
2. When Sang Min is told by Kono to cross his legs, can you see his pubes?

Added: Wednesday 16 January 2013 21:13:55 MST


Submitted by: Apathetic New Show Fan
From: Tucson, AZ

Great great board here. I am going to have to watch the original show. The folks on here hold it in reverence. I respect the level of knowledge people bring to the topic.

I just wanted to add that when you think about it, no night will tell us more about whether the new show has ratings hope or will just wither, than this Sunday. The NFL football lead-in direct to the broadcast with the story line looking very DDK centric is a strong combination. He's popular and well-known among male viewers especially.

Plus from the short preview online it looks like they are going to throw in some under dressed GP scenes too. (sure you'll see bigger chunks of that in the extended previews for the mostly male football viewers throughout the game Sunday)

Bottom line: if this isn't by far the highest rated episode of this season, it is probably fair to have serious doubts about the ratings future of the show. I don't know what more they can do to bring in a larger audience. That lead-in alone is a huge gift.

I'll be looking forward to Mike's review because I'll be doing other things probably.

Added: Wednesday 16 January 2013 19:19:37 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Not exactly a huge response for the choose-the-ending experiment:

http://bit.ly/S5vcfi

Added: Wednesday 16 January 2013 18:13:54 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

For a change, I thought the plot of the last show was pretty good. I thought the nephew's interjections were amusing and overall, I liked him. I was not a fan of the vote and the student as the murderer made no sense to me. Sang Min is overdone, but as always, he was entertaining.

What I'll never be able to figure out is how Scott Caan never pops a button on boys medium dress shirts he always wears.

Added: Wednesday 16 January 2013 14:52:09 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Rick, I had my fill of taking that comment apart. The guy had a chip on his shoulders and an ego bigger than the one he accused Jack of having. The commentary is full of exaggerations, insults, and criticism over things that made no sense. Galensaysyes has a gay fixation, too. The response from that one poster picking those comments apart was priceless.

He got angry because Jack hit the side of board like it was a bongo drum. Did he notice that Jack did that to attract the attention of two men who were fighting, and one was trying to drown the other ("The Ways Of Love")? There was another scene where there is a bongo drum in the middle of the room and Jack hits it. So what? Anyone would do that. And Galen complains that Jack says every line like a Shakespeare soliloquy. For someone who hates the show so much, he pays too much attention to it.

He had to have gone back and watched certain episodes in order to write that commentary, which shows he was looking to say negative things, which makes him more laughable. For a show where, according to his arrogant, boorish self, nothing happened, quite a lot did happen. All those killings, stabbings, rapes, kidnappings, bombings, frame-ups, assaults, and robberies went right over his head, or maybe he condones crime and thinks it's normal.

He says that the spy episodes of Hawaii Five-O were boring and made The Man From UNCLE read like a CIA dossier. can this guy be any more of an idiot? If the CIA was anything like UNCLE, the national security of the U.S. and the world would cease to exist and WWIII would have broken out. Every case on which Solo and Kuryakin went, THRUSH was there and knew what they were up to. In real life, that means a spy failed their assignment. Real life spy cases always involve some femme fatale with a strange name, and there's always some plot to take over the world, if we're to believe that the CIA and UNCLE were alike in any way.

Added: Wednesday 16 January 2013 09:33:31 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

I'm bored to death with all this fake Five-0 talk so lately I've been reading archived comments. Speaking of criticism and JL's ego I ran across the >>>galensaysyes<<< IMDB link back in April 2010. It's a classic ...had some good laughs reading those old posts.

Added: Tuesday 15 January 2013 22:57:24 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Thanks, Virginia.

Added: Tuesday 15 January 2013 21:37:30 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Well said, Vrinda.

Added: Tuesday 15 January 2013 19:48:01 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Terry O'Quinn's return to Hawaii Five-O, which includes Jimmy Buffett:

yhoo.it/X3ts2S

Added: Tuesday 15 January 2013 19:03:42 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Joe, that writer knows nothing about Jack or the original show, and it's his style to trash older shows, as a poster in the comments section pointed out. It's a common trend amongst modern internet TV critics. Most likely, the writer was going by gossip magazine stories, which are never accurate. Even if no such stories were written, he would have probably made the same comments. Ego means a sense of self, an awareness of one's identity, which we all have. Otherwise, we'd be masses of flesh, blood, and bone with no identities. Literally speaking, we all have an ego in that we have a sense of awareness of our self, or personal identity.

The issue of Jack having an ego - or, in negative terms, having an inflated (or whatever synonym fits) ego - are subjective, questionable and, many times, unconfirmed. What one person considered egotistical or selfish behavior, someone else considered normal and part of the protocol in working on a TV show, or saw them as something positive and the hallmark of a hardworking man who wanted the best for everyone around him. Many of these stories were very generic in nature, with little to no details provided, and attributed to anonymous sources (this is in the seventies). Some specific stories were told long after Jack died and was not here to defend himself, which shows cowardice on the part of the story tellers, but were also not confirmed.

Certain things of which Jack was accused were not even his fault, nor done for selfish reasons meant to benefit him - like the issue of his cast mates being billed after the word "with" and not "also starring," and accusations that he doctored scrips to give himself more lines.

Billing is determined by contracts negotiated with the agents and the networks, with the producers being involved but, since Kam and Zulu were cast before Jack was even brought in, and James being cast by Leonard Freeman - who would have been involved in the negotiating for his contract - Jack would not have had the opportunity to change their billing or dictate it. According to an interview Jack gave in 1976, he was pitching the show on Madison Avenue to get sponsors while James was not in the picture. Leonard Freeman was still the main man as far as decisions on billing went.

As far as the scripts go, so many people have their hands on a scripts from the time a writer submits them - the story editor, associate producer, producers, network executives, sponsors, director, script consultant, etc. - that it's impossible for one person to make changes and keep them in place until filming is over.

Added: Tuesday 15 January 2013 18:22:08 MST


Submitted by: Joekido


From: I don't mind the comment against Jack Lord. Yeah it's not nice but it's true of his ego. Anyway last night episode is like the series trying to become realistic but misses some points. Not a bad episode but not good ethier. It's still showing the damage from season 2 and the early part of season 3.

Added: Tuesday 15 January 2013 17:28:10 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Type-o: I meant "guy" in my second sentence.

I thought that the head of the department was the best fit as far as the murderer goes. The TA and the student were too obvious. Regardless of who killed the professor, taking his research and passing it off as their own would never have worked. I can believe the boss and the TA doing it because they're the kind of people involved in the same kind of work as the professor, but the student as the killer would be even more preposterous. The boy had a low GPA, which suddenly went up due to cheating on exams, and he was caught doing it. How on earth would be able to pass off that professor's research as his own? No one would ever believe him.

The boss and the TA can make up some lies to cover up in the beginning, then eventually be exposed as well, but at least they could put on an act for a while, which the student would not be able to do.

There was also the matter of that machinery in the dead professor's house. They'd have to explain how all that worked. The head of the department and the TA might be able to do so, but not the student. Voting for the boss or the TA would be the more logical route, but not the student.

Added: Tuesday 15 January 2013 16:43:47 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

In CST, it was Roth, the chairman of the department. I agree with you, Mike. In the real world, so many people would have been familiar with the professor's research that it would have been next to impossible for Roth to steal it without being found out very quickly.

For me, the teaching assistant wouldn't have worked. Me thinkest he doth protest too much.

Roth, on the other hand, was entirely too vague. It was clear that he had something to hide.

AOL's character acted much more mature, I thought. Much welcome. Nephew was a pain in the posterior, but it was clear that he just needed strong male guidance and exposure to things he might like to do in life. In the end, he did - forensic science! Bravo! Even so, Nephew made valuable contributions to the investigation, giving evidence that proper guidance was all he needed. SC's character acted much more mature, too, and laid it on the line for Nephew, exactly the way he needed to. It was a joy to see common sense take a place in this series, for once.

Added: Tuesday 15 January 2013 14:10:05 MST


Submitted by: Darren
From: Atlantic Canada

So... Last night's episode.. Turns out that it was on, here in Atlantic Canada at 8PM Atlantic Time (7PM Eastern)...

I'm guessing that no other region got it that early. I didn't vote, but I'm guessing that even if I had, it would have had no effect. (I don't think they were running the "Choose your own ending at that early of a time)

Added: Tuesday 15 January 2013 13:27:53 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Thanks for the links, Mike. I posted a comment there, telling that first oaf who wrote those comments about Jack just what I thought. This buy just promotes the stereotype of the arrogant, ignorant critic.

As for the ending, the East Coast voted for the boss.

Added: Tuesday 15 January 2013 09:14:21 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Who did it? And which time zone chose which ending? PST in Canada was the student.

Bram Helms, The Teaching Assistant

He knew his boss was working on something big, so he went fishing to find out what it was; when he found out, he killed the boss so he could claim the work as his own.

Tyler Brown, The Student

He was snooping around looking for exams to help him cheat, and when he found the professor's research, figured he could pass the work off as his own and get rich. Note that Danno has to send McGoo a picture of the kid likely because he is the "least likely" suspect.

Patrick Roth, The Boss

According to McGoo, he must have gotten sick and tired of watching his employees publish papers and cash in, and when he saw the prof was on to something big, he killed him so that he could claim the work as his own. (But how would he do this? Did he have access to the prof's computer, research notes, etc.? Wouldn't the prof have contacted other people while doing his work, for example, who would recognize that something fishy was going on?)

Added: Tuesday 15 January 2013 07:42:22 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Some comments on last night's show and other stuff...

This guy is right on the money. I was also thinking "Gee, we should be allowed to vote for some insignificant extra in the background." His comments about Jack Lord may upset some people here.

http://www.avclub.com/articles/hawaii-five0kapu-forbidden,90868/

People upset about the comments about Lord may find solace in this review. "Abominable"?

http://blogcritics.org/video/article/blu-ray-review-hawaii-five-0/

This guy liked last night's show.

http://www.tvfanatic.com/2013/01/hawaii-five-o-review-i-want-it-that-way/

Added: Tuesday 15 January 2013 07:25:35 MST


Submitted by: Maxine
From: Brooklyn

In the Wiki article about "split-screen" they're mostly referring to movies that have completely distinct frames within the letter-box frame, such as in Grand Prix and The Boston Strangler, where they show simultaneous action from different perspectives - or movies that are simply two unrelated 16mm images projected side-by-side as in The Chelsea Girls.

The technique wherein they try to fool you into thinking the two images are interacting is sort of a specialized form of this technique. That's what they use in Parent Trap, The Patty Duke Show, Bewitched, and also in I Dream of Jeannie when they feature Jeannie's malevolent sister, also named Jeannie.

Added: Monday 14 January 2013 23:05:13 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Vrinda, you have already given away far too much. Thanks a lot.

I have not seen this show yet. Usually I get it from my "usual sources" around 5:30 PM Pacific, which is over 4 hours ago.

Today there is NOTHING. I don't know if there is any significance to this.

This means I will have to watch the show while it actually on in about 10 minutes, which I HATE because of all the #%&*@$ commercials.

Added: Monday 14 January 2013 22:52:18 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

I will say it wasn't bad, but it wasn't good. The show would have been better if not or the dopey, loafer nephew being carted around. The sorority girls looked phony, and the part with Sang Minh (sp?) was funny at first, when he beat up the deputy prosecutor and policeman, and sad at the end, when Kono finds out he only got away to see his ex-wife, whom he finds has remarried and is happy.

The crime itself was interesting from an academic standpoint, with the focus on exam cheating involving the student and the teaching assistant, then the discovery of the science experiment in the dead professor's house. I like the theory that he might have been experimenting with bringing extinct plants back to life, but it turned out he found a living specimen of a plant thought to be extinct.

I don't want to say too much more, in case people reading this have not seen it yet.

Added: Monday 14 January 2013 22:13:12 MST


Submitted by: Joekido


From: Well, how was it this time?

Added: Monday 14 January 2013 22:01:16 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

I didn't vote on tonight's ending, but the ending that was chosen was the one I would have picked, purely based on the amount of screen time that character had.

I hated that dumb college girl whining about police brutality how her daddy lawyer would sue them. I thought, "Someone slap the bitch!"

Nice pink motorcycle, though.

Added: Monday 14 January 2013 21:45:52 MST


Submitted by: Joekido


From: Why do they need to tour the nephew around? And I don't even care who the killer is

Added: Monday 14 January 2013 21:37:08 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

They were using the split-screen technique on Bewitched since 1966, when they introduced Samantha's cousin, Serena. Patty Duke came on the air in 1963, so they were using the technology before Bewitched, but I'm certain some shows before that were using it as well.

Added: Monday 14 January 2013 11:35:24 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

There is an article about "split-screen" technique here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split_screen_%28filmmaking%29

Added: Monday 14 January 2013 10:25:01 MST


Submitted by: Maxine
From: Brooklyn

Did they not use that twin technique on The Patty Duke Show in the '60s?

Added: Monday 14 January 2013 10:10:50 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Rainbow, it had been done before in movies, but you're probably right about television. In the movie "The Parent Trap" (1961), a split-screen technique was used to allow Hayley Mills to play twins in the same scene.

Added: Monday 14 January 2013 09:06:18 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Ringfire:

You and I are using the same brainwaves it seems. I watched "The Ninety Second War-Part I" on Saturday and really enjoyed it until McGarrett goes to Geneva and encounters his dopple ganger( double) and that irritated me a bit, not because of the plot of the story, but this was a trend in 1970's network television that was everywhere. It seems the technology became available during this time where the star of the show could not only play his or her regular character, but could also now appear in the very same scene with himself playing another character and they could interact with dialogue or physically, and every show "just had to do this." You could almost see the tech people on the shows looking for any excuse to play with this, and show off what they could do with their, at the time, "new technology" and it seemed like every show during the 1970's had the "double" plot in it. It got to be so annoying after a while, because it was everywhere. Does anyone else remember this trend at the time?

I haven't seen Part II yet so don't spoil it for me.

Added: Monday 14 January 2013 08:24:19 MST


Submitted by: Apathetic New Show Fan
From: Tucson, AZ

Just like some have noted here and other places with sharp observers, the Friday move is probably sort of like sampling retirement homes for an old person who can't live independently. Where can the show hang out until it reaches the magic syndication episode number? If such a move does occur for fall, I wouldn't be surprised if we see a noticeable decline in the budget too.

Plus after the pounding Revolution gave the show earlier in the year, CBS might be wanting to look at Monday night 10 pm as a place to sample more innovative short-run shows.

Added: Sunday 13 January 2013 07:59:50 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Interesting that 9:00 on Friday night is considered "the death slot." 1.0 survived there. "Blue Bloods" is surviving there. Maybe the quality of the show has more to do with it? In that case, 2.0 has something to worry about.

Added: Sunday 13 January 2013 04:05:27 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

According to a friend of mine who is in the TV business:

The Stephen King and Steven Spielberg-produced 13-episode Under the Dome, set in a small town suddenly and inexplicably sealed off from the rest of the world by an enormous transparent dome, will open Monday, June 24 and will air in the Monday 10 PM slot. Repeats of Hawaii Five-0 will move to Friday 9 PM for the summer.

He doesn't know if there is any significance to this, whether Five-O will move to Friday ("the Friday night death slot") in the fall.

Added: Saturday 12 January 2013 21:59:22 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

http://bit.ly/V1Lzt2

Hawaii Five-0 "boss" Peter Lenkov explains how the choose-the-killer ending with Jan. 14th episode came to be.

Added: Friday 11 January 2013 14:08:57 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

"...is actually in Geneva or somewhere in Honolulu. " If they said geneva, believe geneva. Ignore the disclaimer; "shot entirely on location in Hawaii" after all, they were in El Lay for that quack two parter.
Tells ya; For that one shot, they definitely went thru the expense of flying the production company to geneva.

Added: Friday 11 January 2013 13:30:36 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

Last nite's PERSON OF INTEREST was awesome! And it had a supermodel subplot which was muuuuuuuuch better than 5-0's Victoria's Secret disaster. And Det. Fusco did the work trying his goofy best to protect model Karolina Kurkova. All in total of 4-5 minutes! The rest had finch and carter trying to get reese outta jail. but the fusco-model bit was short, funny, smart, a bit tarantino-ish/robert rodriguez-like with fusco mowing down mobsters with 2 guns a la john woo. 5-0 dragged with those models! POI wins! and kurkova, she's hot! POI is the BEST SHOW NOW!!!

Added: Friday 11 January 2013 13:55:43 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Canadians get to choose Five-O ending Jan. 14th, only in EST and PST! Sucks to be you if you're in the other 4 zones!

http://bit.ly/10mHJzS

Added: Friday 11 January 2013 13:30:10 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

January 20th Five-0 will feature 7 never-before-heard recordings by Jimi Hendrix. I hope this means that the regular awful background score will be totally eliminated.

Added: Friday 11 January 2013 13:11:18 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

http://bit.ly/13mEHu7 (this is the link below, compressed)

Re Jan. 20th episode, "When Chin is kidnapped in the night and dropped in the middle of Halawa Prison dressed as an inmate, he must fight for his life to escape before the other prisoners recognize him as Five-0."

How? Via a helicopter and a giant claw? LOL.

Who is behind this? Delano's son? Who will play him?!?

Added: Friday 11 January 2013 12:02:54 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Watched "The Ninety-Second War - Part I" last night. Some amazing acting by Jack in that one. Especially in the early parts where he is seen completely helpless and cannot move his muscles. Great to watch all his expressions and emotions as he recovers. Like with the highly-lauded 1st season 2-parter "Once Upon a Time" I've never been a huge fan of this 2-parter either - mostly due to the slow pace and confusing plot of the second half. But both episodes are a great showcase for some fine acting by Jack Lord. Both are really his shows - all the way!

Also I was wondering if the scene where we see Jack standing outside some office complex/bank (which is supposed to be in Geneva) is actually in Geneva or somewhere in Honolulu. There is a shot later on which features some buildings/apartments that definitely look European, not something you'd find in Hawaii. I suppose those could be just some stock European footage. The scene with Lord could be in Honolulu.

Will watch Part II tonight to see if it's more intriguing or makes better sense this time around.

Added: Friday 11 January 2013 10:40:16 MST


Submitted by: Harold
From: Signal Hill CA

Info about Jan. 20th H50 episode at the link below:

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2013/01/10/original-hawaii-five-0-to-follow-the-afc-championship-football-game-sunday-jan-20-on-cbs-439311/20130110cbs02/

Added: Friday 11 January 2013 00:25:38 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Agreed Ringfire, even when it's bad it's good!!!! ;)

Added: Thursday 10 January 2013 08:46:51 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"I liked what I saw and can only go by that film. Be grateful, as a Bond fan, that the film is generating the discussion that it is, because if it wasn't that would mean they would kill the series."

Oh I'm very grateful, Rainbow! Especially as a Bond fan. But I've no fear of the series ever dying. It has gone through so many high's and low's that nothing can kill it. Even when it's less than stellar it's still a guaranteed money-maker. And that alone will keep the series going. And has thus far. It's a brand name. It will keep selling. Like sex, even when it's bad it's still good, eh? ;)

Added: Wednesday 09 January 2013 10:39:27 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Kimo: "Most emphatically it is not a rower's mask. That is a myth propagated for too long by those outside the islands who settle for cursory "knowledge" or mis-facts, sorry Vrinda."

Not being from the islands, I wouldn't have the knowledge you have, and what I got was from a website called MBLWHOI Library. They're the one with the wrong facts, and there was no other source to tell otherwise. To prevent the spreading of such myths and misinformation, why not drop them a line to explain it?

Added: Wednesday 09 January 2013 10:12:16 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Ringfire:

I don't want to get too off topic, but regarding James Bond. I liked the Sean Connery Bond movies, but the Roger Moore version turned me off, so I stopped watching Bond movies. They weren't my cup of tea(pun intended) as I thought that he lacked realism and was too much like a cartoon or a superhero. I'm a member of the DGA, and get a chance to watch films at the DGA Theater in New York, NY as they screen all the films that are coming out each month. Sometimes I go, sometimes I don't. I wasn't going to see "SkyFall" as I said I'm not a Bond Guy. My brother is a huge Bond fan, so I took him to see SkyFall and that is why I was so impressed with it. I haven't seen a Bond film in such a long time, so I'm not one to talk about the series. I liked what I saw and can only go by that film. Be grateful, as a Bond fan, that the film is generating the discussion that it is, because if it wasn't that would mean they would kill the series.

Sorry, Mike, back to Five-O!

Added: Wednesday 09 January 2013 08:25:16 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

No, AJ, Jack doesn't have a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. Although we on "Remembering Jack Lord" had great interest in nominating him for a star, that interest did not transfer to commitment to a drive to raise the funds necessary to pay the, quite frankly, exorbitant fee ($30,000). So, we will not be pursuing a star, after all.

One member surmised that Jack might not even approve of our going to so much trouble to raise so much money for a slab of stone. After all, he did not spend his own money on such things. Rather, he spent it on doing for others. Jack and Marie were wonderful humanitarians and philanthropists.

Added: Wednesday 09 January 2013 05:05:41 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

Posts of late necessitate an injection by braddah Kimo of corrections on salient misinformation:

"Does anyone know what it is? To me it looks like a drawing of a big octopus with 2 big round eyes and tenticles hanging underneath."

Most emphatically it is not a rower's mask. That is a myth propagated for too long by those outside the islands who settle for cursory "knowledge" or mis-facts, sorry Vrinda.
It is not a rower's mask We do not "row" here. haha. jeez.
I mean it may as well be referred to as "a Stander's Mask" for the subject in the famous (well, to us) Weber portrait is; Standing. Not uh... what do you call it? oh yea. Rowing.

Weber did one engraving of outrigger paddlers and he had them all wearing the makini. This happened to be the one occasion HE happened to witness kanaka maoli wearing the makini and now for all eternity, it is mis-monikered Rower's mask.
And now for too long everyone outside the islands call it that and have us living in grass shacks and requiring a visa to visit or leave the islands. The "sandwich islands" ugh!
So now, this is, as said 'round these parts; "the general consensus" But nowhere near the truth.
Just as many have asked mainlanders re; the Hawaiian language; Please. Don't. Try. Defining. Hawaiian. Words.
It just frustrates everyone.
As well, this is an aspect of ancient Hawaiian culture that is, well, let's just say, as many aspects of Polynesia, cannot be instantly defined the way americans like; cliffnotes mentality, in one word or at most, in one sentence, the shorter the better, resulting in; Oh. THAT is what it is. I will now blog that one sentence bit of wonderful Hawaiian history!

"As if Bond is some brand new thing that just popped up this year out of nowhere. He's been around since 1962." Correction. Onscreen, he has been around since 1954.

Added: Wednesday 09 January 2013 02:38:56 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

HawaiiFive0CBS from Twitter: #H50 fans! Just confirmed, #TerryOQuinn will return as the mysterious Joe White later this season and McG has a LOT of questions 4 him!

Yawn!! Another plot diversion to deal with...

Added: Tuesday 08 January 2013 22:17:21 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

CBS unhooked from Hawaii Five-O lawsuit ... for now. http://bit.ly/WLMc7r

Added: Tuesday 08 January 2013 22:12:07 MST


Submitted by: AJ
From: NY

Wait... Jack Lord doesn't already have a star on the 'Hollywood Walk of Fame'???

[I couldn't find a 'smiley' for 'kick Los Angeles in the nuts.]

Added: Tuesday 08 January 2013 20:27:18 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

I believe the premise of the very first episode held a lot of promise in that you knew that Five-O would be dealing with the worst creeps on TV. The scene where Hesse executed the elder McGarrett was very emotional and powerful and drew my interest. This type of criminal is what set the original Five-O apart from other police series of the time. They weren't dealing with just the average petty criminals of other shows, but terrorists, rapists, serial killers, and the like. The bad guys were so bad that you really had a sense of relief when they were caught, and that makes for great TV drama in any era.

I wish that the new show had gone more in that direction rather than resorting to the gimmicks that others have mentioned: Hesse not dying after being shot in multiple episodes, the Governor being a pawn of Wo Fat, the briefcase full of money, the toolbox, etc. These gimmicks will hurt the show in syndication, as we will know how all of that turned out. Even though I have seen every episode of the original, I still am drawn to watching them because the crime of the week was solved in one hour and I forget the details of the investigation over time. Watching the new series several years hence would be like watching a daytime soap opera in some ways, in that you would not find a good portion of the episode entertaining because you would remember how a certain side story or gimmick turned out.

I believe the new series would have been better just following the crime of the week format, without all of the side stories. Of course, it would help if the producers had an actor like Jack Lord available to play the leading man in a more credible and realistic manner.

Added: Tuesday 08 January 2013 16:45:13 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

"Some people were only tuning in to see Steve McGarrett's Mercury."

:!emo:

Added: Tuesday 08 January 2013 15:30:50 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Thank you, Rainbow! Happy New Year to you, too!

I don't blame you for only being attracted to the sight of Grace Park in a bikini, but that proves my point. If that was all the show could offer to get a viewer's attention, otherwise the viewer falls asleep, then you know there is something wrong!

My mother says she likes to watch the new show to see how Hawaii has changed since the seventies. Some people were only tuning in to see Steve McGarrett's Mercury.

Added: Tuesday 08 January 2013 13:32:45 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"SkyFall was a terrific movie, it was actually one of the few James Bond movies I have seen, and I was trilled to have watched it!"

Not to go too off-topic here but I'm a bit perplexed why SKYFALL in particular is getting so much praise. We've had lots of fantastic Bond films before (heck, I think they're all great but then I'm probably biased - being a huge 007 fan and all) so it's funny how all of a sudden this one gets such hot reception. As if the previous 22 films are non-existent. As if Bond is some brand new thing that just popped up this year out of nowhere. He's been around since 1962. I guess it's all that Oscar-winning talent in front of and behind the camera that's creating all this buzz. Plus the London Summer Olympics and the 50th year anniversary gave 007 extra exposure this year. Sure, it's a great film. But there are many others from the past that I prefer.

Hey, when I think of Bond I still think of Connery and Moore. That's where it's at for me. :) Still, anticipating each new Bond movie is something special for me. At the end of the day Bond still trumps the competition. Nowadays it's nothing but hobbits, vampires, and superheroes. :!thinking: What happened to real heroes?

Added: Tuesday 08 January 2013 10:16:48 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Happy New Year Vrinda!

Sorry, Vrinda not trying to be saracastic, but I found that when Grace Park showed up in a bikini was the only time I stayed awake while watching the show, because I found the whole thing so lame I fell asleep.

SkyFall was a terrific movie, it was actually one of the few James Bond movies I have seen, and I was trilled to have watched it!

Added: Tuesday 08 January 2013 08:59:41 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

A storyline that held promise? Yes. In Season 1, when it came to light that all was not right at Washington Place. A spy for Wo Fat slipping onto the payroll would have worked, but the idea of the governor being a Wo Fat plant just did not work for me, and to let the whole thing take down Five-0 was absolutely ridiculous!

One wouldn't have had to work very hard to make that storyline a huge success. The spy endangers the governor's life. Maybe kidnaps the governor. Five-0 has to be quick-thinking to outfox not-so-old Wo, but succeeds just in the nick of time.

Now, that would have worked. Oh, but they did that on 1.0, so the network wouldn't have accepted it. Did it ever occur to the network that 1.0 ran for 12 seasons for a very good reason???

Added: Tuesday 08 January 2013 07:37:48 MST


Submitted by: Michael T
From: Palatine IL

It is apparent that we all think the re-boot is pretty much a piece of work and we have each of us done a pretty good job of grinding the new show into the dirt. That said, can anyone come up with just one episode or perhaps a plot thread they thought might show some promise? I have a few in mind-I'd care to see if anyone joins in.

Added: Monday 07 January 2013 20:37:03 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

wonder how the new NBC drama DECEPTION will fare vs 5-0 and CASTLE. 5-o a rerun tonite though. i saw DECEPTION debut on demand...so so.

Added: Monday 07 January 2013 14:48:16 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

I didn't think the new show was anything much from the beginning. I didn't like the cast, the way it was filmed, or the story writing, and I got suspicious of some of the critical praise it got from online critics who wrote the most non-constructive critiques. I also noticed how these idiots never wrote about the show afterwards. If someone paid them to write that baloney, they wasted their money.

I noticed that most of the fan base were hormonally-charged women in the 30-50 age group who were watching just to ogle Alex. Their comments - not to mention grammar and spelling - were atrocious. Then there are the men watching just to leer at Grace Park and pray that she turns up in a bikini, and the teenagers who like the violence and the action. It reminds me of when Baywatch was on the air and people only watched to see Pamela Anderson and Yasmine Bleeth, and no one remembered the storylines.

If this is what makes up the audience for the show, then it is not going to have any longevity. People like this are shallow, finicky, and develop no lasting loyalty to a product or person. They'll lap up what is touted in the current moment, then discard it and move on to something else which is promoted as the next big thing.

Added: Monday 07 January 2013 13:26:26 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Bottom line is that quality lasts forever. Superficial flash and no substance is here today, gone tomorrow. A good example is the new TWILIGHT movie (since someone brought it up) vs. the Bond movie SKYFALL (also brought up earlier). In its first week SKYFALL reigned supreme (finished #1 by a huge margin) at the box office. But everyone knew that by the second week it would drop to second place because that was the week that TWILIGHT was coming out and all the teenyboppers and their crazed/obsessed mothers would pack the theaters to watch that vampire love tripe.

But guess what? Once that first week passed Bond was back on top again. And continued to be for weeks to come. Why? Because things of quality persist while crap like TWILIGHT only appeals to the lowest common denominator during that first week. So you'll see crap making crazy money during its first week but quickly fall off in the following weeks. Why? Because the rest of the population is not interested in it. While something like Bond appeals to all sorts of individuals - especially with SKYFALL getting rave reviews from all the critics and even an Oscar buzz.

And so it is with the old Five-0 vs. the new Five-0. The old one ran for a solid 9 seasons (can you believe it?? NINE!!!) before eventually dropping off in the ratings. Whereas the new one may have gotten a lot of buzz when it first premiered and may have had good ratings at first (not sure if that was even the case - Mr. Mike would know) but quickly fell out of favor with most folks. Now it's just there as a parody of sorts filling up extra time on CBS. While the rest of us do more constructive things during that time - floss our teeth, stare into the distance, etc. ;)

Added: Monday 07 January 2013 12:19:11 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Do hope you'll want to join us in this effort:

RJL Works To Win a Star of Fame for Jack

Several members of Remembering Jack Lord have decided that we need to make a push to have a Star of Fame laid in Jack's memory on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. We are just getting started, but our goal is to nominate him for a star in 2014. The nomination deadline is Friday, May 31, 2013. Yes! This year!

At present, we are gathering the names of prospective sponsors to help us raise the $30,000 fee that will be required if Jack is selected. If you can think of suitable sponsors, please leave a message in the RJL guestbook.

For more information, visit the Walk of Fame website (its name dot com)

To stay apprised of how our efforts are progressing, check the RJL guestbook from time to time.

Added: Monday 07 January 2013 10:13:18 MST


Submitted by: FM451
From: New York City

Joekido, I agree with you! Season 1 was pretty good, but the quality of the show has declined the past 2 seasons, big disappointment. I loved the rebooted Wo Fat! The way He was introduced - a scene here, a quick appearance there - was great IMHO. I particularly liked the time Wo and McGarrett met for the first time at the Golf Course. But they overexposed the character in Season 2 (5-0 Invades North Korea!?!) and made Wo a cartoon, instead of a cool deadly guy. More Wiley Coyote!
Too bad, Mark Dacascos' interpetation of Wo Fat rocked at first (and his fight scenes were first rate).

Added: Monday 07 January 2013 07:39:58 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

"The producers only wanted money, they don't care what they are writing, they don't understand the original series..."

If you have a materialistic-capitalistic economy comprised of people with less and less moral values, you end up with a society of people that are very selfish and almost just money-orietated.

I think this is where we are, and it makes sense because history shows that democracies can only last about 200-300 years before they burn themselves out (due to debt)

So, we would expect the writers to have this focus

But isn't this really a case of the chicken or the egg? Does bad television help produce a moraly weaker society, or does a morally weak society produce bad television? It is hard to define the line and answer this--both are true at the same time.

I for the most part really blame the "people" more than the writers. We all know money runs commercial TV, so what viewers watch and like is what makes money, and that drives producers and writers whose goal is to make money. If people really had a taste for "quality" TV programming, the writers would know this stuff will not work.

But instead we all know this society is addicted to guns and violence and sex, the society becomes ever increasingly superficial in its relationships and thinking processes with all its social media, Facebook/Twitter nonsense, and so writers figure this is where the money has to be.

The real problem lies with the "people" of this society, and what they like. I think the people on this forum are not the typical people of society, and are better thinkers and TV critics, but, we are way outnumbered, and what we say here will have next to zero overall impact.

In fact, with SO many cops shows on TV and the movies with guns and SO MUCH killings, we would be better off if there was no Hawaii Five-0 for now, good or bad. It is just not the kind of program that is really needed on TV right now.

I honestly hope it dies, for the sake of the society we live in. We need to find different type of shows to waste our time with in front of the TV.

Added: Monday 07 January 2013 01:56:56 MST


Submitted by: Harold
From: Signal Hill CA

One difference between the original and the reboot is that the reboot may be filmed in Hawaii but there’s no sense that the series takes place in Hawaii. It could just as well be set in any generic location using the same cast.

From: The original was not only filmed in Hawaii but every viewer knew it took place in Hawaii. The reboot may have the names from the original series but it doesn’t have its spirit.

Added: Monday 07 January 2013 01:53:45 MST


Submitted by: Joekido


From: Why or how this show survive is a mystery. The most mystery is why do people liked it. It was good for season 1 but went downhill with season 2 and 3. Even worst, fans of this show often acts like a bunch of Twilight fans "Scott Cann and AOL! So HAWT!!" We live in a generation where bad shows/books/video games are highly loved and fans being mostly dumb.

I wanted this show this show to be successful, but it just seems that the writers and producers don't know what their doing and fans wants to believe that this show is perfect. Just like the people over at the reboot board are thinking. The producers only wanted money, they don't care what they are writing, they don't understand the original series, they made the reboot a poor man's CSI: Honolulu rather then use the original characteristic of the original series

Added: Sunday 06 January 2013 18:56:07 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

You're welcome, Tony! I was wondering what is was, too, but never got around to finding out until you asked. I wanted to find out what it was and knew the information was out there somewhere. It was just a matter of finding it. Good thing we have Google Images!

It's sad that none of those rower masks have survived, though.

Added: Sunday 06 January 2013 18:26:20 MST


Submitted by: Tony
From: SF

Thanks Vrinda. That picture had me wondering for many years!!!

Added: Sunday 06 January 2013 16:16:08 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Just when I thought this show couldn't get any worse, it has. I wonder how many more asinine things the producers, directors, and writers will come up with. There's already choose-your-own bad guy, remake a classic episode ("Hookman"), get D-list celebrities (Kendall Jenner, Puff Daddy, Dane Cook, Nick Lachey, Vanessa Minnillo) and athletes (Apolo Ohno) to guest star; and create story arcs that drag on (Mrs. McGarrett) or are resolved too quickly and with lackluster results (Chin getting kicked off the force and reinstated; Kono's suspension and undercover work). It's going to take a miracle to save this show, but it's not worth it.

Added: Sunday 06 January 2013 16:11:26 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Puh-leeze CBS!! From Facebook: On Monday, January 14th we're handing the reigns [sic] over to YOU to choose the ending.

Added: Saturday 05 January 2013 17:51:03 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

John, according to various WWW sites, I think based on CBS press release, "After the broadcasts, all three endings will be available to view on CBS.com." So you won't have to wait for a DVD.

H50 Forever, the reason that they don't do this in such a way that all time zones will show the episode simultaneously is because the show in some time zones would be outside prime time, as well as infringing on "family territory" when violent shows are not supposed to be seen by the kiddies.

If you want to include ALL North American time zones, there is a 6-1/2 hour difference between St. John's, Newfoundland and Honolulu.

This means if you started the show at 10 PM in NFLD, you would have to start it at 3:30 PM in Hawaii to be simulcast.

Added: Saturday 05 January 2013 17:11:51 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Tony: That's a Hawaiian warrior wearing a particular kind called a rower's mask. More information can be found here:

bit.ly/RyPJZG

Click on the link to the left in the menu that says, "A Man of the Sandwich Islands in a Mask, c. 1779."

Added: Saturday 05 January 2013 16:12:01 MST


Submitted by: Tony
From: SF

Picture on McGarrett's office wall to the right of the door.

Does anyone know what it is? To me it looks like a drawing of a big octopus with 2 big round eyes and tenticles hanging underneath.

Added: Saturday 05 January 2013 15:40:29 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

I just realized the obvious: If there are 3 endings, and let's assume ther ending will take place in the last segment (10-15 min), that means they got to film 3 endings but use only one, meaning 2 filmings of the last segment end up a total waste (except as extras on DVD maybe) of time, money, and acting.

This is so stupid.

Added: Saturday 05 January 2013 14:18:06 MST


Submitted by: Harold
From: Signal Hill CA

I was never a fan of the reboot but I never expressed any disagreement with anyone who was. I did believe that sooner or later H50 would self-destruct. It seems to be happening now.

Added: Saturday 05 January 2013 04:09:46 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

I'll admit the system is far from fair, especially since, if ET is watching at 10:00 and CT is watching at 9:00, then MT could watch at 8:00, PT could watch at 7:00, and Who? and Hawai'i could watch at 5:00. 5:00 isn't all that early, not if people are watching at sports bars, on their ipods, etc. So, just why isn't the network having a simultaneous airing that includes everyone?

It must be that network contracts with station affiliates to show the show cannot be amended to allow this exception to scheduled viewing times. Or maybe it's a union thing. Otherwise, who really cares whether the evening news comes on an hour later??? I'm just guessing, you understand.

Added: Saturday 05 January 2013 03:43:14 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Oh yeah ... Is CBS going to check IP addresses during the vote-for-the-killer so people can't cheat and vote from other areas or at other than their own times?

Added: Saturday 05 January 2013 01:06:28 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

OK, I think I got this voting business straightened out, which confirms to me that it's a really bad idea.

I spoke to an American friend about all this, because the whole thing is set up to work OK in the good ol' USA. (What do I know about all this, I am just a dumb Canuck in Vancouver!)

Five-O is broadcast at 10 p.m. in the EST zone and simultaneously at 9 p.m. in the CST zone. So those people will vote together.

But the people in MST (Denver, Phoenix, Salt Lake City, etc.) seemingly won't vote at all! Their broadcast starts at 9 p.m. local time, but that is when the EST/CST broadcast is finished. Will they just get the EST/CST ending? Who knows!

People in PST will vote when the show is on.

People in Alaska (my friend said "Who?") and Hawaii won't vote at all.

There is no indication yet whether Canada will be involved in any of this.

Anyway, why is this all a bad idea, you ask?

Because the show is on a "ratings cliff" (don't tell me "it's getting better"), and the people who dreamed up this scheme should not risk further pissing off ANY of their very inconstant audience!

Added: Saturday 05 January 2013 00:25:54 MST


Submitted by: Otto
From: NYC

"Mr. Sardonicus" aired on TV when i was five yrs old, and when the scene came where Sardonicus' hideous frozen grimace is revealed, i launched into a fit of screaming and crying. Our babysitter had to call the operator, who talked me in for a landing!

In the book Alfred Hitchcock and the Making of Psycho, which has now been adapted into the film "Hitchcock", Rebello writes that Hitch was influenced by William Castle in the theater-gimmick department. Theaters screening Psycho had a variety of gimmicks a la Castle. Later Castle was influenced by Psycho for at least two movies, Homicidal and Strait-Jacket, which also featured theater gimmicks.

On a Five-O note, i got my annual Xmas gift from my mother, Season 8. I've only seen the Susan Dey episode so far. It was good. The hit man was a great Five-O villain.

Added: Friday 04 January 2013 19:27:38 MST


Submitted by: Anne
From: Tangerine

@ringfire211 -- you make some very valid points. Those are mysteries indeed! :D

Added: Friday 04 January 2013 14:47:18 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

A friend pointed out to me that this choose-the-ending business is similar to the film Mr. Sardonicus (1961).

During its initial theatrical release, attendees were given small white cards with luminous thumbs with which to vote thumbs-up or thumbs-down.

Although the audience could vote on whether the main character could be pardoned or receive further punishment, the director, William Castle, famous for making B-films with low-budget, yet over-the-top gimmicks in both production and promotion, filmed only one ending for the movie.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055200/trivia

Added: Friday 04 January 2013 13:56:03 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Here's an interesting posting about a marathon of "24" episodes. Could the same be done for Five-O (not the new one, obviously)?

http://joncassar.tumblr.com/post/39671996482/24-viewing-marathon-i-visited-the-site-where

Added: Friday 04 January 2013 13:39:33 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I still don't understand how Lenkov's "grand experiment" works.

I think it means if you are watching the show in the Eastern, Central or Western time zones, you have to vote on the ending while the show is being broadcast. I realize that Central was left out of the story at Deadline Hollywood, but I have seen it mashed together with Eastern in a posting elsewhere, which doesn't make any sense.

My first question is, how will this work from a time point of view?

The show is around 42 minutes long without commercials. There is a teaser, which let's say is 5 minutes long. Then after the main titles, there will be the usual mindless banter between McGarrett and Danno or cutesy-poo stuff with Danno and his daughter before the case really gets down to business. That takes another 5 minutes (we are up to 10 minutes now). Then there will be 5 minutes focused on each of the suspects (I am being generous here), that is another 15 minutes (up to 25 in total).

Considering the show will be wrapping up with let's say 3 minutes of "the viewer's choice" ending, that makes a total of 28 minutes, leaving around 14 when voting and tabulation of votes is happening. During this time, there will have to be some filler, like comedy/product placement with Kamekona or McGarrett's mother having another meltdown.

Don't forget, you have to allow time for the voting at CBS.com and on Twitter. Let's say they devote another 5 or 10 minutes to the votes (there has to be a deadline in here somewhere). These votes then have to be calculated and someone has to push a button for the ending. I don't know understand how they will do this so quickly.

So complicated!

The other question I have is: is this procedure being repeated for EACH TIME ZONE? So Eastern chooses an ending, Central (maybe) chooses an ending, and Western choose an ending? Nice snub for Hawaii!

Added: Friday 04 January 2013 13:28:23 MST


Submitted by: Harold
From: Signal Hill CA

It’s too bad the real Steve McGarrett and Danny Williams couldn’t arrest everyone involved with this series on a charge of impersonating a television show. I can see it now. McGarrett: “Book’em, Danno. One count, impersonating a television show.” One can only wish.

Added: Friday 04 January 2013 13:04:30 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Read the comments after this article on Deadline Hollywood site about the "choose the ending" experiment:

http://bit.ly/Xs8mSa

Added: Friday 04 January 2013 12:51:50 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"Ha! I love how Lenkov calls H50 a mystery."

Well, it's very much a mystery to me! It's a mystery how this show is still on. It's a mystery how this show can be so bad. It's a mystery how bad the banter between the leads is. It's a mystery why we even have all these mysteries to begin with.

Added: Friday 04 January 2013 11:43:45 MST


Submitted by: Anne
From: Tangerine

Ha! I love how Lenkov calls H50 a mystery. :!rofl:

Added: Friday 04 January 2013 08:34:50 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

This voting this is such a stupid idea. It seems to besome "trick" to keep viewers to the TV like perhaps something like "Dancing with the Stars," but Dancing is a talent contest, and this is suppose to be well thought out drama--you don't vote on this. You're suppose to be awed by the skill of writers and movie making (which no one is) to keep you watching

This series just sinks lower and lower. When you think it can't get lower, it finds a way to go even lower

Added: Friday 04 January 2013 07:09:38 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Sorry, but I won't be there to break the tie. LOL

Added: Thursday 03 January 2013 18:14:27 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Voting method for "choose the killer" in next Five-0 episode is revealed: http://bit.ly/10Vw4Hl

(Sounds VERY convulted to me!) :!nerd:

Added: Thursday 03 January 2013 15:26:55 MST


Submitted by: Apathetic New Show Fan
From: Tucson, AZ

I am a frequent reader of this comment board and wanted to take a minute to drop a note of thanks.

At first I used to think you are overly critical, but it provided good balance to the fan boards that were probably way too forgiving. Over time, I came to see this board as prophetic.

You do such a good job consistently capturing why the new show is doomed, that I find it a must read. Plus it lets me follow the story arcs without using up 45 minutes a week watching.

Here's the reality: The show is going to do the syndication limp and when it falls across that finish line, not a season more. Last season, two of the 4 main actors could barely hide their disinterest both on screen and in interviews. It's less a show of any unique entertainment value and now basically a business venture of profiteers.

It's sort of too bad because if they had established some consistency and stayed at it to perfect it, it might have worked. My opinion. Who doesn't love that scenery during the cold winter months? Season 1 was pretty good actually too. Grace Park is great and Daniel too. Too bad they will never get used to their talents from what I saw.

I am a male in my mid-20s. Last season, it became clear that the show didn't care if I watched as it branched off into inane romance story lines and loose end upon loose end that rendered the time you had previously invested in the characters and show wasted. That's how you kill an audience.

It is a show geared to the lowest common denominator to grab and hold the female audience. I don't mean to sound sexist, but I don't have one friend in my age group who watches.

I quit watching with the the totally implausible mess of a season 3 opener. When artistic leap demands you get a lobotomy, I check out. I don't think I am alone judging by the sorry ratings.

I appreciate the reviews you post and the comments too. They entertain and keep me up on the show. Thank you.

Added: Wednesday 02 January 2013 05:35:12 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

I celebrated by watching "And They Painted Daisies on His Coffin," the first episode of Hawaii Five-O that I remember watching, 24 years ago. I still get a thrill when I see Steve McGarrett say, "Unless you want to swallow that chain, you'd better sit down!" to that blonde hippie who was swinging a chain around. That, and the scene where Steve splits Big Chicken's lip in half and threatens to break his leg are what proved to me that McGarrett was all man, a damn good cop, and a man you never shove around.

Added: Tuesday 01 January 2013 14:00:27 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Fun holiday reading!

http://www.wewantinsanity.com/am2/publish/Other_Columns_44/When_Good_Shows_Go_Bad_Hawaii_Five-0.shtml

Added: Tuesday 01 January 2013 12:12:49 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

You'd better take good care of our car, Michael Timothy!

Added: Tuesday 01 January 2013 11:14:55 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I was checking out the IMDB forum for the old show and noticed that some "best of/worst of" lists had scrolled off the bottom (or had disappeared due to how old they were). These were the result of polls by participants in the forum. Anyway, I heard from user alpha128 recently, and he said the results of these polls (but not the voting that led up to them) are still at IMDB as follows:

I anticipated that those threads would be purged after a while. So I asked IMDb user "kelzan" (who started the game) to preserve the results in the IMDb list format, which are not purged.

The message board discussion is gone, but the final results are still available at the following URLs.

Best of List:
http://www.imdb.com/list/qnaowbdA2us/

Worst of List:
http://www.imdb.com/list/VC_i2g3VVIA/

Added: Tuesday 01 January 2013 09:45:07 MST


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