Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- December 2012

The Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- December 2012


The following are archived comments from December 2012. After looking around, please add your own comments!

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Submitted by: Michael T
From: Palatine, IL

OK, I'll play along. I celebrated by doing a burnout in the Park Lane. Ha Oli La Hanau.

Added: Monday 31 December 2012 23:17:25 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Another must-do: Throw a hubcap from the Park Lane. ;)

Added: Monday 31 December 2012 17:39:37 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

One other must do is "to check what's up on the coconut wireless".

Added: Monday 31 December 2012 10:59:58 MST


Submitted by: John Hall
From: Montreal

I read a bunch of other comments on this voting thing and they reenforced my initial thought that this was just a dumb publicity stunt.

but then I thought about how crappy the writing on this show is and maybe every scene of every episode should be voted on, statistically it should be an improvement so long as you believe the writing is "below average"

Added: Monday 31 December 2012 10:55:08 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

While celebrating Jack's birthday I listened to my old CASE-SETTE TAPES. :)

Added: Monday 31 December 2012 09:58:54 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

In the YouTube video about this show, CBS is saying that this experiment where "people vote for the killer," is the FIRST TIME EVER.

But CBS has forgotten!

http://classictvhistory.wordpress.com/2012/12/20/stanley-milgram-goes-to-medical-center/

(Though it is not exactly a parallel situation...)

Added: Monday 31 December 2012 09:14:53 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

the voting thing--HATE IT!

Added: Monday 31 December 2012 09:07:14 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Re: "No, it is not restricted. They will include other areas LIKE Canada, only if they can find an area that is like Canada. But not really Canada."

Funny man! Are you suggesting there's a mirror image of Canada on the other side of the world? Or maybe it's down under and looking up at Canada? Or maybe it's in a parallel universe? Or maybe just the people who live in the Canada that appears on McGarrett's globe can watch the show? Or...???

Added: Monday 31 December 2012 08:46:59 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

"Is this restricted to the States, or will it include other countries where the show is broadcast, like Canada?"
No, it is not restricted. They will include other areas LIKE Canada, only if they can find an area that is like Canada. But not really Canada. But yes, you are correct, lit is unrestricted in a place that is LIKE Canada.

Added: Sunday 30 December 2012 23:49:20 MST


Submitted by: AJ
From: NY

I just celebrated Jack's birthday by standing out on a rooftop terrace and spinning around all day.

Damn, I'm dizzy now.

:!rofl:

Added: Sunday 30 December 2012 21:14:33 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: Pittsburgh

Another way to celebrate Jack's birthday: ask for a "pro-gress report." Note that it must be pronounced that way, instead of "prog-ress!"

Added: Sunday 30 December 2012 18:01:52 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

Antenna TV
METV
and now COZI TV on cable debuting

time warner customers in ny it is channel 161 where it used to be NBC NON STOP

old shows to be playing:
BIONIC WOMAN
6,000,000 DOLLAR MAN
LASSIE
ROY ROGERS
ALIAS SMITH AND JONES
BANACEK
MCMILLAN AND WIFE
&---
MAGNUM! Cool!

Added: Sunday 30 December 2012 17:03:08 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Whose side are you on, Mike?

"Hau'oli la hanau. Hau'oli la hanau. Hau'oli la hanau, dear Jack. Hau'oli la hanau. You're 92 today. You're 92 today..."

Here's how to celebrate Jack's birthday: Put on your favorite of all the many shows / movies in which he appeared. Don't you wish there was a film of his performance in "Cat on a Hot Tin Roof." From what I've read, he really brought down the house in his performance as Brick.

Added: Sunday 30 December 2012 12:05:33 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Ways to celebrate Jack Lord’s birthday (by Bill Koenig and Mike Granieri, taken from 1997 e-mail)…

1. Find a pair of perfect $20 plates, stop a deadly bacteria, smash an attempted frame of yourself or other feats of daring-do.

2. Make your tires squeal, even if you are driving 2 mph in an alley or on the beach.

3. Call up the Iron Brain for information.

4. If someone starts to smoke in your presence say, "This is my space, don't pollute it."

5. Call members of your family "gentlemen," as in, "All right, gentlemen."

6. Get out the chalkboard and either write a bunch of stuff on it, or put up photographs of various people.

7. Look out the window while having a conversation with someone.

8. Ask members of your family, "What have we got?"

9. Order members of your family to birddog their "street contacts."

10. Pull out the transparent map and start marking it up. "Let's see the grocery store (workplace/shopping mall/liquor store/dry cleaner/etc.) is 5 miles away. That means my odometer should record 10 miles up and back."

11. Pound your desk to emphasize every main point.

12. Change suits several times a day, or even from scene to scene.

13. Mispronounce the name of every new person you meet.

14. Toss an object from your hand up in the air and freeze frame it in mid-air.

15. Instead of actually climbing stairs, simply show previous footage of yourself climbing those stairs.

16. Every time someone tries to prosecute you for something you obviously aren't guilty of, say "I wouldn't expect you to do anything else."

Added: Sunday 30 December 2012 09:21:28 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Happy 92nd Birthday to Jack Lord, one of the greatest actors who ever lived.

Hau`oli la Hanau, Jack!

Thank you for your shining presence on screen and stage, your humanitarian and philanthropic efforts, your guidance and knowledge which you graciously shared, and for making the world a better place. Your legacy lives on in those who recognize and appreciate it, and continues to inspire people to this day.

I wish the world got to know the man you really were instead of the one the media created, but the truth shall triumph.

Wherever you are, thank you a million times over and may your light shine on this world forever.

Rest in eternal peace, dear sir. I salute you.

Love,
Vrinda

Added: Saturday 29 December 2012 23:21:20 MST


Submitted by: Tony
From: SF

When you watch an old episode do you still find the violence at all shocking??? Or does it seem tame by todays standards?

I was watching the episode from season 3 about the rare violin that gets stolen by 2 weirdos and there was a scene where one of them stabs a blind man in the back killing him.

I must say I was a bit shocked at such a blunt matter of fact killing. And yes I have seen all episodes and am familiar with the fact that the show was known for its violent storylines back in the day.

Added: Saturday 29 December 2012 16:14:13 MST


Submitted by: Joekido


From: Jack Lord would probably not care about the reboot. Lord became an Lenkov at the last 3 seasons of the Original series anyway :!thinking:

Added: Saturday 29 December 2012 16:05:35 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Well, that's one way to get publicity, I suppose.

Thank goodness Jack hasn't had to see all this nonsense taking place.

Added: Saturday 29 December 2012 12:42:15 MST


Submitted by: SC50
From: L.A.

Well, that's one way to try and get people to watch the show live.... Definitely a "jumped the shark" moment.

Added: Saturday 29 December 2012 12:34:25 MST


Submitted by: Harold
From: Signal Hill, CA

I hate to say this but if Jack Lord had a grave,he’d be spinning in it.

Added: Saturday 29 December 2012 12:03:08 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

For the next episode, on January 14th, the audience is being asked to vote on who is the killer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP8VlgK1ySE

I laughed myself silly when I saw this.

Has the writing for this show become so bad that they have to get help from the viewing audience to resolve plots?

Presumably they are going to have some kind of phone-in poll similar to singing/dancing reality TV shows. Is this restricted to the States, or will it include other countries where the show is broadcast, like Canada?

Considering only 4,236 people have seen this YouTube video so far, you have to wonder if this promotion is going to be a big success. Not exactly going viral.

:!thinking:

Added: Saturday 29 December 2012 10:43:53 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Charles Durning was an excellent actor. Did you know he preferred acting on the stage to the screen? Yep!

Added: Friday 28 December 2012 13:47:43 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Yep, heard about Charles Durning's passing. Practically a day after Jack Klugman's passing.

Durning was great as Havens in "Retire in Sunny Hawaii" alongside the great Helen Hayes. But he was definitely more of a movie actor than a TV actor.

The Sting
Dog Day Afternoon
Breakheart Pass
Tootsie
The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas
Spy Hard
The Hudsucker Proxy

Prolific actor! And also a WWII hero!

Added: Thursday 27 December 2012 09:55:05 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Somhow I missed this.

George Litto, who sued the Freeman estate (after Mrs. Freeman died) over money that he says he is owed from the old and new shows, has modified his complaint:

http://m.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/agent-hawaii-five-o-creator-384906

Added: Thursday 27 December 2012 07:38:59 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Here is an interesting site to check out while we are waiting for the next episode (assuming anyone is still doing that). :)

Old show:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/HawaiiFiveO

New show:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/HawaiiFive0

According to this site's home page: Tropes are devices and conventions that a writer can reasonably rely on as being present in the audience members' minds and expectations. On the whole, tropes are not clichés. The word clichéd means "stereotyped and trite." In other words, dull and uninteresting. We are not looking for dull and uninteresting entries. We are here to recognize tropes and play with them, not to make fun of them.

Added: Thursday 27 December 2012 07:36:55 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Charles Durning, who played the owner of the sleazy rest home in Retire in Sunny Hawaii -- Forever, has passed away at age 89.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2012/dec/25/charles-durning-obituary

Added: Thursday 27 December 2012 07:33:44 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Re: "Hey, if Puerto Rico becomes the next State..."

Great comment, AJ, but let's not take on any new states. They don't appreciate it, and we have to foot the bill. Frankly, I'd rather use the money to put the homeless in warm shelters with the food and care they need and the mentally ill in hospitals with the medical supervision they need. With today's technology, we don't need territories as we once did, so let's give them their sovereignty. It's what they want. It's what we need - to start looking after ourselves.

Added: Thursday 27 December 2012 03:39:20 MST


Submitted by: AJ
From: Nueva York (or maybe 'New Yorico'?)

Hey, if Puerto Rico becomes the next State, we could have a new show called "Puerto Rico Five-1", and forget about this Five-0 remake fiasco. (Ricky Martin as Esteban McGarretez, perhaps?)

:!thinking:

Added: Wednesday 26 December 2012 20:40:44 MST


Submitted by: EDDIE
From: Oklahoma

Love 5 O . Going to have to quit watching -----to much background music that is to loud. Can't undestand words ........sorry :!cry:

Added: Wednesday 26 December 2012 15:01:34 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

The craziest idea Cubby Broccoli ever had was considering Burt Reynolds for 007 in the 70s. I think Burt was seriously considered post-Connery and pre-Moore in the early 70s. Talk about a crazy idea! Redneck Bond?

Added: Tuesday 25 December 2012 18:56:57 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Wishing you a Happy Holiday Season.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

Added: Monday 24 December 2012 14:34:18 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

Happy Festivus everyone!

Added: Monday 24 December 2012 14:02:15 MST


Submitted by: Bill K.
From: Detroit area

Re: AOL under consideration as James Bond

As I understand it, the process that led to Daniel Craig's casting went something like this:

Barbara Broccoli locked onto Craig early on. But the studio wanted additional actors tested. So additional tests were made. There were supposed to be four finalists, but with Broccoli pushing so hard for Craig, I don't know if it was ever realistic to expect someone else to get it. Henry Cavill was one of the finalists. There was also an Eastern European actor in the mix. I don't remember AOL being in the finalist group, but I defer to those with more specific information.

Meanwhile, the 007 landscape is littered with actors you wouldn't think would be seriously considered but were. John Gavin was actually signed for Diamonds Are Forever. It was United Artists, not producers Albert R. Broccoli and Harry Saltzman, who made the big play to get Sean Connery back.

James Brolin was screentested for Octopussy. He did one scene from that movie (except we're told Moneypenny had retired), one scene (with Maud Adams) out of From Russia With Love and a fight scene. At the time, it looked like Roger Moore wasn't coming back. But with the competing Never Say Never Again having signed Connery, Brolin was dropped and Roger Moore re-signed.

Added: Monday 24 December 2012 07:11:54 MST


Submitted by:
From: Philadelphia

LOL @ AOL as 007! Daniel Craig is not even among my favorite Bonds but he's freakin' Olivier compared to AOL. That's just how baaaad AOL is.

And yes SKYFALL was fantastic! But then so was CASINO ROYALE. QUANTUM OF SOLACE was the oddball middle child which was a letdown. Felt like a generic Bourne movie. But at least Craig has a certain gravitas which carries the film. AOL is just Mr. Blaaaaand.

Oh and Merry Christmas everyone! :)

Added: Sunday 23 December 2012 11:57:59 MST


Submitted by: Kassidy Lynn
From: Arizona

This year's story line is pretty dull. I have found myself frequently flipping the channel throughout the show because there doesn't seem to be much story happening. I hope next season is better. :!cry:

Added: Saturday 22 December 2012 14:21:02 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

Wishing all of my buds here a very happy holiday season. Please remember our troops and anyone else who might need an extra prayer during this time.

Merry Christmas, Mr. Mike. Thanks for this site.

Added: Saturday 22 December 2012 09:54:41 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Re: "I think that even Ronald McDonald would have been a better choice than O'Loughlin." :D

ROFL, Guffaw, Knee-slap, You got dat right, brah!

Added: Saturday 22 December 2012 07:36:39 MST


Submitted by: Jeff L
From: NC

Mike,

I just your review of Monday, (the 17th) latest 5-0. One comment caught my eye. You stated that Alex O'Loughlin was considered as a possible candidate for the role of James Bond, "007" but that the role went to Daniel Craig instead. Excuse me while I try and stop laughing so hard, but what in the world were the producers/directors/casting agents, etc possibly have been thinking to even consider Mr. Fake Steve McGarrett for this role? I think that even Ronald McDonald would have been a better choice than O'Loughlin. Perhaps the people connected with the James Bond franchise also laughed quite hard during O'Loughlin's screen test and instead, (thankfully) went with Daniel Craig, (who in my opinion is the best 007 since Sir Sean Connery himself) for the role. I consider the performance by Craig as well as "SkyFall" itself to be the best 007 movie in 25 years.

Added: Friday 21 December 2012 17:01:29 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Mele kalikimaka - Hau'oli makahiki hou

Added: Friday 21 December 2012 16:07:32 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

Happy Holidays Everybody!

Added: Friday 21 December 2012 13:33:02 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Hi, Harold,

What I read was that Cary Hiroyuki Tagawa, who played Hiro Noshimuri, was supposed to play Chi Ho Kelly. (Mike’s Gordon’s “The Good Bad Man” from the Star Advertiser bit.ly/XSarBM) Chin was originally going to be a father-type and mentor to the team instead of someone who actually works with them, but then Daniel Dae Kim heard about the casting for the show, approached Peter Lenkov, and asked him if he could try out for the role. Lenkov decided to cast Daniel and make Chin a younger version of his counterpart on the old show, and a member of the team. (See below)

Lenkov in “An Afternoon with Hawaii Five-O” by Ed Morita, of nonstophonolulu.com (bit.ly/rs0Ypp):

Interviewer: McGarrett, Jack Lord in the original, was such an iconic man and iconic character. Casting is sort of 90 percent of the job. Did you have people in mind for these iconic characters like Kono, Chin Ho and Danno?

Lenkov: “When I really went in and pitched the show, I had a list of characters who could play these rolls. It was more about selling them on who they could be. When I started writing it, the only person that I realized that I was writing for was Daniel Dae Kim. Really the Chin Ho character was the older uncle of the team. Daniel had actually heard that I was writing the pilot, so he came out to Los Angeles and we met. He really wanted to be involved. He’s a fan of the source material, and he just wanted to be a part of a continuation of this thing. After he left, I went back to writing the script and I realized that my older Chin Ho started becoming a younger sort of Chin Ho and instead of Kono being his niece she became his cousin. I realized that I was writing for Daniel Dae Kim, and that was the first actor that I had in mind.”

Grace Park accepted the role of Kono two weeks before filming began for the pilot. She said this in an interview with a Vancouver magazine. Why she was considered she didn’t say, nor has any information surfaced to tell why she was cast so close to the beginning of filming for the pilot, or if any other actor or actress was considered for the role. I hope this answers some of your questions.

Added: Thursday 20 December 2012 21:59:51 MST


Submitted by: Harold F
From: Signal Hill, CA

This may have been mentioned a long time but it’s something that’s bothered me since the start of H50. Why are two Korean-Americans portraying an Irish-Chinese and a native Hawaiian? What could the producers have been thinking when this casting was done? That no one would see the different because, after all, all those Asians look alike? Whatever errors and mistakes the old H5O committed, I don’t think there was anything as egregious as this.

Added: Thursday 20 December 2012 17:47:25 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Ha ha, watching the last show again is just like a moth to a flame for me. Here are some more little "inconsistencies" which I found:

• After Ethan escapes and goes to the gate of Darrin Hodges' property, the taxi he took there drives away. We are looking from behind the gate at Ethan with the road behind him where he just drove up in the cab. The camera then shows Ethan from behind, trying to climb up over the fence, and suddenly McGarrett appears out of nowhere in a fraction of a second. (He was following Ethan thanks to the GPS in the product placement computer device that he gave him earlier.) McGarrett's car was not seen or heard behind Ethan, nor were any other cars. There must be at least two, because Catherine volunteers to take Ethan back to his place. McGarrett, Danno and Catherine were also not seen.
• Does Ethan actually go and stay with McGarrett or Catherine at their respective places? (Remember, Catherine wants to pack a bag with clothes when they are at Ethan's house.) I don't think so. I seriously doubt if he would enjoy staying at McGarrett's, especially if the wack-a-doodle Doris is there. As Danno says, "Christmas with the McGarretts is something you can't miss."
• On the floor of Bruce's store there are bloody drag marks, just like in two other locations in shows this season: #5, Mohai (Offering) and #7, Ohuna (The Secret).
• What about the guy who was shot in the store, presumably by Bruce himself? Shouldn't Ethan's father be charged with manslaughter, since the guy died?
• Danno tells Moku "We should dump your funky ass in an active volcano some place." That would require a flight to another island, since there are no active volcanoes on Oahu.
• During his blue-lit questioning, Moku says of Rizzi, "He was a recluse like, uh, what's his name, Howard Hughes." Do you think that Moku would either remember or know who Howard Hughes was? Considering Rizzi, the reclusive guy, is so rich, the place he is living in is kind of a dump.
• When Five-0 team members (McGarrett, Danno and/or Chin) are approaching Hodges' and Rizzi's houses, totally armed to the teeth with these large submachine-gun-like weapons, they have to cross a wide-open stretch of ground. Is this "safe"?

Added: Thursday 20 December 2012 14:16:41 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

I was watching "The Guarnerius Caper" from season 3 of the original series. It's a pretty good episode that doesn't run on our local syndicated series. The episode is filmed is wide parts of Honolulu and in the beginning part of the show, two hoodlums steal a purse from a lady. The street corner where that scene was filmed is the southwest corner of Waialae Avenue and 12th Avenue.

The show filmed in this area several times including episodes, "The Joker's Wild, Man, Wild!", "I'm a Family Crook -- Don't Shoot" and "Secret Witness". All excellent episodes.

At any rate, at 2:12 of the DVD for the "Guanerius Caper", as the hoodlums run south along 12th from Waialae, you can see a chop suey restaurant with the tail of a large snake imprinted on the side window of the building in the background. If you go onto Google Maps and do a street scene at that location, you will find that the window with the snake is still there 40 years later! I found it amazing that the window would survive being broken or replaced.

Added: Thursday 20 December 2012 13:48:13 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

Mike, you hit the last two shows on the head, one good and the other awful, again. Of this last one, I gave up trying to follow the links of the characters. The plot was too complicated, as you pointed out, and as it got more inane, the less I cared to follow it.

Added: Thursday 20 December 2012 13:22:40 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Thank goodness, they found this one before he did more than make threats. His weapons have been taken away, and he is in counseling. Good!!! Sad to say, a strong and honest law enforcement system is essential these days.

Added: Thursday 20 December 2012 08:33:18 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

For those who find the Kono/Adam/Michael storyline far-fetched, check out this story about an ex-cop in my area who is connected with unsavory people and events in more ways than one:

http://bit.ly/UIqhhN

By the way, my review of the last episode is now available:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/2010-log3.htm#11

This took FAR too long to write up. :!thinking:

Added: Thursday 20 December 2012 08:08:45 MST


Submitted by: SC50
From: L.A.

Vrinda-thanks for posting the link to the "transcript." Hilarious. Nailed all my objections to how McG's character is being written & portrayed in the reboot. (Excellent comparison of JL to AOL re: approach to the role.) I love HI so I do dvr and watch the show. FF through the obnoxious "car-guments.". Early on I just "rebooted the reboot" in my head & look at the current version as a whole different set of characters that work for 50 now. Don't care what the names are.). That way everyone isn't so OOC vs. the classic. Makes it more watchable fluff for me.

The plots are still amazingly weak as many have thoroughly noted. Here in the 'company town' there are certainly people who can write decent plots and character development. It's a mystery to me why H50 is such a mess in those respects. However, I think the thing that gets to me the most is the glaring lack of any understanding of correct procedures in the military, police, DHS, TSA and Child Protective Services. Particularly re: CPS- this week's ep is the 2nd time they basically just walked off with a minor without even a brief mention of coordinating with CPS. This is just ridiculous. What happened to script consultants?

Added: Thursday 20 December 2012 01:40:26 MST


Submitted by: Joekido


From: To save myself from going insane, I decided to create my own Proboard called http://hawaii-five-00.proboards.com/index.cgi where I can post my reviews but everyone who loves/hate the Reboot/Original series so everyone is invited to come here. And no, there'll be no bannings, all opitions are welcomed. Sorry for putting it here Mike, I wanted to spread this to every Hawaii Five-O fandom. I can be affiliated to your site if that's what you want.

Added: Thursday 20 December 2012 01:18:06 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

http://www.tvguide.com/special/best-of-year-2012/PhotoGallery/Best-Performances-2012-1057203/1057519

Christine Lahti has been selected as one of The Best Performances of 2012 by TV Guide for her role in #H50.

HA HA HA HA! Is someone on the take?

Added: Wednesday 19 December 2012 20:13:30 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Here is something to lighten the mood. It's a fictitious transcript from a TV show where two sides debate the merits of the original series versus the new one. I think the author, Greg Felton, must have been reading our comments and those on other message boards in order to come up with this:

bit.ly/bQzwCO

Added: Wednesday 19 December 2012 12:04:32 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

The ratings are up? For which show? The evening news? That's only because of the election. It's not reliable data.

Added: Wednesday 19 December 2012 06:15:36 MST


Submitted by: Joekido


From: The ratings are up

Added: Tuesday 18 December 2012 19:07:04 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

Mr Mike is HOT! :!devil:
You forgot to mention Mr Sulu looking awful in farmer gear, goatee and sweating monstrously!

I did laugh out loud when danno calls kamekona's beanie propeller hat a yarmulke.

but that was it.

if HOOKMAN remake doesn't score then to me FIVE O will be NO MORE!

whoa , look at this link and look at 5-0 rating for renewal

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/12/18/cbs-silent-night-canceled-show-which-shows-would-you-cancel-poll-2/162065/

and CSI NY looks to go bye bye

Added: Tuesday 18 December 2012 13:26:57 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I just can't shut up! (LOL)

Last night, McGarrett and Danno are grilling the pig-roasting dude. Of course, the dude is denying everything, and says words to the effect "The kid's father was hanging out with some ... reclusive guy ... you know ... like (big pause) ... what's-his-name ... oh yeah ... Howard Hughes."

Do you think that this kind of character would have remembered or even known who Howard Hughes was?

On the other hand, here is some dialogue you will never hear on the show...

McGarrett and Danno confront a suspect.

Danno: OK, you have a choice, either you can co-operate with us or you can spend the next 25 years in a cell getting anally raped by a big black guy.

Suspect (incredulously): Huh, what are you talking about? I didn't kill him [or do whatever else he is being accused of].

McGarrett: You know, Danno, I have a gut feeling about this. I know for a fact that this guy had nothing to do with the murder [or whatever]. Let's go. (to the suspect) Sorry to have troubled you.

Added: Tuesday 18 December 2012 11:39:51 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

The remake was being filmed in the old Honolulu Advertiser building on Ala Moana Boulevard. A developer bought the building, so the remake is moving out to the Hawai'i Film Studio on 18th Street @ Diamond Head Road. If that address sounds familiar, it should. It's where the original settled after their lengthy search for a permanent site for their studio.

Added: Tuesday 18 December 2012 09:16:28 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

More thoughts on "where is the Five-O office?":

When McG and Cath are looking after the kid, you see the kid reading some magazine. In the background you can see venetian blinds which suggest the Five-O office. But then Catherine goes to a pop machine (which is "outside in the hall" or whatever) and the kid steals her money (DUH!) and in the next scene we see the kid escaping from this mall-like area.

I thought, that is weird. Maybe the Five-O budget got seriously cut so they had to relocate the office into a mall like a community police station? (I think in real life there were issues over the location for the Five-O office set, that the lease on the building had expired, weren't there?)

Added: Tuesday 18 December 2012 08:58:34 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

that kid's still fake crying?

:!cry:

hello? eye drops !

Added: Tuesday 18 December 2012 08:57:06 MST


Submitted by: John H
From: Montreal, Canada

I watched the latest episode on apple TV this morning and realize why I watch this show, or should I say why I watch it despite it being such a crappy show.

First is eye candy; Hawaii is my home away from home and I like watching the scenery, the background shots are beautifully filmed. Also the female regulars are another form of eye candy (new Kono in particular is a big improvement over the original).

Second, it's a bit like your best friend having a annoying puke for a son... you tolerate him because of your connection to his dad.

Something interesting that has caught my eye is that the episodes have gotten a bit longer; give or take 41-42 minutes has now become 43 and a bit. This is a step in the right direction at least.

Added: Tuesday 18 December 2012 08:05:20 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Unless they had an exhumation order, it's also called desecrating a grave. Even then, there is a proper procedure for exhuming a body, and it's not detectives showing up with shovels.

Added: Tuesday 18 December 2012 04:16:06 MST


Submitted by: Joekido


From: I noticed something, when the series first premiered, you were open-minded about the series, but now it's starting to eat you up. And please don't get mad at me for just pointing it out.

Added: Tuesday 18 December 2012 01:22:42 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Chin Ho and several cops all have shovels (don't ask me where they got them from), and they go out looking for a "body." But when they find what looks like a grave, Chin Ho starts digging it up without hesitation. This is TOTALLY WRONG. This is called "contaminating the crime scene." They should have called the forensic team to come and dig up the body, taking great care to make sure they didn't miss any clues while doing so (like pieces of fiber, bullets, and so forth).

It's not like they have to be in a big hurry to dig the body up, like when McGarrett and Danno kick down a door because they believe someone's life to be in danger.

Added: Tuesday 18 December 2012 00:21:16 MST


Submitted by: Joekido


From: They're trying to dig out the body but they don't know it was pig. What to you want them to do? Just leave it there? It could be a human.

Added: Monday 17 December 2012 23:48:23 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I gotta rant some more! (Warning, bad words!)

I couldn't believe it when Chin Ho finds the "grave." He grabs a shovel and starts digging! What the hell was this?!?!? Doesn't the guy believe in preserving a crime scene? That was probably the stupidest thing in the show, and there were many other things that were stupid. Like when they are going to the bad guy's house (I can't remember his name) and there is this writing on the screen which says "THE BAD GUY'S HOUSE" with the name of the town or whatever. Do the people making this show think viewers are too dumb to know where Five-0 are going?

(Here is something that is maybe stupider ... Catherine takes money out of her purse and leaves the purse lying right in front of the kid while she goes to buy him a pop in the hall. (And where was this? I thought they were in the Five-0 offices, were they in a mall?) And the kid steals money from her purse. HELLO ... did ANYONE not see this coming?

I am really getting tired of Michelle Borth's character, too, especially since she keeps her clothes on. Like why doesn't she seriously start talking to McGarrett about commitment or their relationship or something? How about some real love and affection -- some smooches, for example. (The end of tonight's show came close.) She should just tell him "You gotta kick your mom out of your house so we can screw like rats."

Added: Monday 17 December 2012 23:30:26 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Of course I will explain in depth how crappy the show was. That's my job! But I am not going to put my life on hold at this moment to do this. I will have to anal-yze the show again tomorrow and post something in the next day or two.

Added: Monday 17 December 2012 23:15:00 MST


Submitted by: Joekido


From: Can you explian in-depth how bad it is Mr. Mike? Oh and I hope you don't mind letting me use your guestbook to post links to my blog about the reboot

Added: Monday 17 December 2012 23:06:17 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Tonight's episode was BAD.

The one last week (MUCH better) featured kids, it took place in the Ka'a'awa Valley. This week's episode involved a kid, much of it took place in the Ka'a'awa Valley! Is someone running out of ideas or what?

This week's kid was REALLY annoying, by the way.

And once again the show started on a stupid premise. McG and his GF are eating lunch and someone tries to carjack his truck. So McG punches the guy out, takes him to the cop shop and notices the kid sitting there. So he takes an interest in the kid. Why? Is he Mr. Social Worker now or something? DUMB!

The only redeeming feature of tonight's show was the kickass fight with Catherine and a villain who I really didn't give a shit about!

Added: Monday 17 December 2012 22:46:42 MST


Submitted by: Joekido


From: Kimo, to me that was the point but i'm not finish so your point is going to come up later

Added: Monday 17 December 2012 14:01:08 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Kimo - "The general bitchfest we see now and again fully misses the point that THIS was not the point! = 'The new series failed to replace the original series'
That has never been the intent, children!
Now play nice and talk nicer!"

The intent was not to replace the original series, but was the intent to make a third-rate production?

The lack of quality of recent episodes aside, the new show failed on many points from the beginning.

The loud background music, shaky camera moves, flash cuts, semi-circular camera moves, and dimly-lit interiors contribute to the poor quality, but the writing also is a large part of what is wrong.

The story arcs are a main problem in the terms of the writing. I think Peter Lenkov did not plan them at all. It’s as though he is making them up as he goes along. Did he intend to bring in Doris McGarrett as a part-time character and have this storyline going with her from the beginning, or was it an afterthought? Once Steve finds her, the writers can’t decide what to do with her. She’s supposed to be in hiding, and can’t go back to Japan because her hiding place was compromised, yet when Steve puts her on the plane for the mainland, she makes it turn around, and then shows up in Steve’s kitchen the next morning, as if nothing happened. She’s then going around Honolulu as though the past 20 years never happened, with no show of fear that someone might be after her or kill her. Plus, the torture of Mangosta with the car battery threw Mrs. McGarrett and the whole Shelbourne storyline into outer space. So far, whatever Mrs. McGarrett was setting out to do by staying in Hawaii she has yet to do. I bet Mangosta knew she was still alive and in Honolulu because Doris did little to stay in the shadows.

The side stories with Danny go nowhere. The custody issue with Grace was never mentioned after the first time, and the baby that Rachel was having was reduced to one sentence when Danny told Steve it wasn’t his. After all that build-up in the previous season, it looked like the writers painted themselves into a corner with that.

The story behind why Chin was thrown off the force was resolved too easily – his uncle took the money to pay for his wife’s kidney on the black market and Chin took the fall for him. They brought up the issue of how all his uncle’s cases being reopened and investigated if Chin told the truth, and the uncle confessed anyway. All that happens is that Chin is reinstated, but nothing more is said about his uncle’s investigations. He takes money from that loan shark to replace the money his uncle took from the locker (if I remember correctly, but I could be wrong), and gave his house as collateral, then Steve tells him to give the money back to the loan shark.

Kono’s story arc, which Lenkov said would give her “more meat” turned out to be a letdown. There wasn’t enough attention given to her undercover work. Kono would have gotten more meat from a chicken wing than this storyline.

The case-of-the-week shows are taking a backseat to the story arcs, almost becoming incidental. All the episodes this season have proven that. The Victoria Secret stalker storyline was a blatant ad for the fashion show, and added nothing to that episode, and the main storyline could have been developed better if they had used the screentime for that fashion show towards the bank robbery storyline. Plus, no one mentioned what happened to that woman who was kidnapped during the robbery.

Added: Monday 17 December 2012 13:51:40 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Re: "'The new series failed to replace the original series' - That has never been the intent, children!"

You're probably right, Kimo, but oh, how very badly many of us wanted it to replace / continue the original. Of course, I'm still waiting for Mike to have Season 13 released on DVD. :D

Added: Monday 17 December 2012 13:46:46 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

The general bitchfest we see now and again fully misses the point that THIS was not the point! = "The new series failed to replace the original series"
That has never been the intent, children!
Now play nice and talk nicer!

Added: Monday 17 December 2012 12:56:37 MST


Submitted by: Joekido


From: Here's my first blog. This one talks about the original series.

http://monguntiacum.blogspot.com/2012/12/hawaii-five-o.html#!/2012/12/hawaii-five-o.html

The reboot is next but I'm going to rip it piece by piece. Please spread this around, CBS got to know that they failed. The new series failed to replace the original series and that hiring Lenkov was never a good idea.

Boy, I may be going mad, I guess this waht happpens when I get banned from fourms. That happens to me many times and I'm sick and tired of it!

Added: Monday 17 December 2012 02:47:29 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

"I get the storyline, yet can you elaborate on the dialogues, direction and acting? If you can do that."

Sure, I will, but it's going to be in a longer post which I will post later.

Added: Sunday 16 December 2012 16:44:45 MST


Submitted by: Joekido


From: "Even judging this show without comparing it to the original show, the new show lacks in storyline, dialogue, acting, and direction. The personal lives and problems of the characters gets center stage, and the crimes they are supposed to be solving become incidental."

I get the storyline, yet can you elaborate on the dialogues, direction and acting? If you can do that.

Added: Sunday 16 December 2012 14:48:52 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Joe,

That board is a waste of time. It’s for women who praise the new show regardless of its flaws, which does not make for much interesting conversation. It’s dominated by 10-15 women who try to control every discussion and attack any dissenters. I had my fun telling off Diana, Dark Sea, and those other misfits on CBS’s old message board. Those women criticized the original show, but never saw an episode of it. They read Mike’s synopses and made their comments based on that, citing specific details from his synopses to make it look like they had seen the show.

The women on that other board from where you posted that link will attack a person just for pointing out a plot element in an episode they didn’t like, or thought was flawed. A girl who rarely posted on the board said she didn’t like a particular episode, and some woman responded very viciously, making condescending remarks and going ballistic. That was the same woman who started that thread whose link you just posted, stating that she wasn’t watching the new show anymore. All that aggravation and now she’s tuning out. Good riddance.

As far as people who don’t like the new show who have never seen the old show, I know people personally who stopped watching the new show after the pilot or first three episodes. Some saved the first few episodes in their DVRs, but didn’t care to watch them so they erased them. Many quit when Lori Weston came on and never returned, even after she left. Some gave up on the new show during this season as well. Some watched a few episodes during the first season, then recorded the rest, but were not impressed with what they saw from the beginning, so that fueled their decision to delete the remainder in their DVRs. Many of these people had heard of the original series and never saw it, or saw it so long ago, they don’t remember it well.

Even judging this show without comparing it to the original show, the new show lacks in storyline, dialogue, acting, and direction. The personal lives and problems of the characters gets center stage, and the crimes they are supposed to be solving become incidental.

Added: Sunday 16 December 2012 12:55:12 MST


Submitted by: Joekido


From: Sometimes after posting the link from the reboot fourms to spread the grim news, Dianno the webmaster of that fourm got the wind of it and banned me. Now my faith in the reboot and the original series is started to shatter.

I've tried to be as balance as I could over there, but with Darksea always going around biting my head whatever I pointed out errors and flaws of each of the season 3 episodes and my arguements are always weak and stale, it feels like I just want to scream "Enough already!" It's feels like a war I'm stuck in, I can't even decide who to agree with. Even when I post postive remarks, they don't care, at one point I even gave one episode a 4 star and they were shocked. Now, Dianno has been reading every negetive aspects of my posts, my fights with Darksea dispite trying to aviod her, she decided I'm not worthy to remind on that board. Here I'm feeling just like a Charlie Sheen, he got got fired and went on a fusterated cruscade to get people to care and have his job back. And the other problems is that I'm rarly on on the side on the reboot and more on the side of the original.

So I'm going to write a blog that will discuss every aspect of the original and the reboot. First off I need a real reason of why the reboot is bad, I want to hear it from people who never watched the original.

If I'm going to critize the reboot, I need to do it without making myself look like an original series purist, I need to do it in an general view. If I'm to say "it's not realistic!" People will say "That's because you wanted it to be like the original series!"

And to be honest I'm seeing this like a war between the reboot fans and the original fans. Even the original series has shares horrible episodes, yet some people treated the original series like a perfect piece of work. Sometimes in the original series I would say "How did they do that? How did you figure it out? That impossible!" The reboot however tries to twist around what the original series lacked like a person really getting shot rather then falling back when the bullet hits them and the blood looking like paint. The original series has stunts too, sometimes they defy the law of physic as well.

Too me the problem (and the real reason) with this show is that it sometimes forget that this is suppose to take place in Hawaii. Often the writings never bend in with the enviroment of the islands, expoler the culture of this island and it's history. And the main storyline really does not know where it's suppose to go. Appearently it's trying to go down the path like Alias, Revenge, Burn Notice and Lost but they did not planned it careful enough that they ended up in a huge mess.

Like why did they not create orgentizions to threat the island? Why did they not make Wo Fat a leader of an shadowy government on some remote island or a country? Plus they could have based the corruption on the real situation in Honolulu like say McGarret's father got killed and the police are doing a little to nothing about it so McGarrett gathers Truck, Kimo, Lori, Ben, Frank, Kono, Duke, Danno and Chin Ho Kelly and forms Hawaii Five-O. They petition the Governor to approve them and that fight to get the police system back in order, fight verious of crimes, and catch the culpit who kills Steve's father. After finding ot he has ties to a shadowy crime orgentization and that his father was working on bringing them down, Steve vows to finish his work. Does that sounds more interesting?

The only reason I like the Reboot because it took place today. I wanted to see Honolulu in the 2010's rather then the 70's Honolulu. So if I was to say "stupid stunts, way too much violence, unrealistic story, everyone acts like action figures, hot guys with sweaty abs and hot girls (too much focus on them) etc, etc," People will only say "That is what the reboot suppose to be about!" So I need help here.

Added: Saturday 15 December 2012 20:37:29 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

To Kimo - - Mahalo!

Added: Saturday 15 December 2012 19:48:35 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Thank you, Kimo!

Added: Saturday 15 December 2012 18:17:12 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

Wow. Excellent posts, V and H!

Added: Saturday 15 December 2012 16:37:04 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

I don't think the Hawaiians were deliberately made to look inferior, but I do think the limitation on their roles gave that impression. It goes back to the star system, in which all the time and attention were given to the star. In the ensemble system, the supporting characters are given back stories and are developed into three dimensions.

How many times have we, ourselves, said we wished we knew more about these supporting characters? Many! We would like to have known JMac, Kono, Chin, and the others as fully developed characters, as human beings, so to speak.

In response to that wish, many fan fiction stories have been written that give these characters three dimensions. Each of us sees them in a different way and portrays them as we see them in our writing. In my mind's eye, for example, Kono is married and has a half-dozen children. His house is located in a family compound built on land given to the family by Hawaiian royalty more than a century ago. There also exist the homes of his siblings, cousins, aunts, and uncles. Today, such details would be included (and are in the remake).

But, no. No offense or slighting of Hawaiians or other nationalities was intended. Both Len and Jack admired the people of Hawai'i too much ever to have deliberately cast a bad light on them.

Added: Saturday 15 December 2012 15:08:28 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

I doubt that McGarrett was purposely driving the wrong way. I read stories from crew members about the problems of them not being able to film in certain streets because closing the place to traffic would result in the loss of profits for the businesses on the that street, so filming the cast members driving down the wrong streets to get to certain destinations was unavoidable. It’s not like they had the option of filming the correct route and chose not to for whatever reasons.

Writers always label an older show as dated to try to sound sophisticated and all-knowing, and the nineties were full of such writers, as is now. This was a show made between 1968 and 1980, so of course it’s going to have elements that are dated, but not every element in the whole show. Shows that have been made in subsequent decades could be labeled the same way, as will the new Hawaii Five-O.

Harada is also exaggerating the role of non-Caucasians and Caucasians. There are beautiful women in Hawaii, and the show cast such women, and there is nothing wrong with that. These women were more than pretty faces. They played characters that had thoughts and personalities. Being beautiful doesn’t make them a stereotype or an insult to their ethnicity. Harada also classifies the Asian women on this show at the other end of the spectrum – aunties speaking in fractured syntax. How many aunties speaking in fractured syntax did you see on the original? I can only count two or three, and I’m on Season 6. There were older Hawaiian ladies who played shop keepers, landladies, and restaurant owners whom Chin, Danny, or Steve would question, and they spoke in English with Hawaiian or Chinese accents, but they were being themselves. They were not trained actresses nor where they purposely acting to convey a stereotype.

How many Chinatown prostitutes did anyone see on this show? I’m only on Season 6, and I remember only two episodes that dealt with prostitutes, Season 2’s “A Thousand Pardons, You’re Dead,” and “Tricks are Not Treats” from Season 6. I haven’t seen the latter yet, but doesn’t it deal with black gangs running opposing prostitution rings? At any rate, Chinatown prostitutes were not a frequent feature on this show, not enough for someone to point them out as an example of ethnic stereotyping.

What people forget when they see Hawaii Five-O is that most of the locals used on the show were not formally-trained actors with the experience Jack Lord and James MacArthur had. These people were largely chosen because they were more likely to be natural in their acting than someone more highly-trained, and since this was a show set in Hawaii, they had to have Hawaiians in the cast to make it look authentic.

I’ve come across people, on message boards and other bloggers (from the mainland) who label the Hawaiian detectives like Chin, Kono, and Ben as stereotypes, comic relief, or caricatures. It’s clear these people did not watch the show at all. Since when is an Asian or a Hawaiian playing a cop on a crime drama a stereotype? Where were Chin, Kono, Ben, Frank, or Duke ever comic relief or stereotypes of any kind? In the last season, Truck (Moe Keale) got into a lot of scrapes with came across as comical, but it took 12 seasons for something like that to happen. Chin, Kono, Ben, Frank, and Duke were serious characters. Once in a while, Chin and Kono would say something funny, when it was warranted and made sense, but they were not comic relief nor where they there to be the butt of anyone’s abuse.

I noticed that when Hawaiians complained about these guys’ roles, that they were citing how the detectives were not portrayed as intelligent but as comic relief and bumblers, but mainland viewers whined that these guys were “dry,” “stereotypes,” “one-dimensional,” or “boring.” Exactly what are these people watching or looking for when they see these characters?

I didn’t see any stereotyping of the Hawaiian and Asian detectives, and Truck’s antics were the result of bad writing which was prevalent in other areas of the twelfth season. I can’t even say that the Hawaiians who had smaller parts or only one or two lines were stereotypes, either, given that they were just playing themselves. The writers were from the mainland, had never been to Hawaii, and Leonard Freeman didn’t want them visiting the place in order to get ideas because he didn’t want the scripts to look like travelogues.

Are people like Keiki Lee, and the professors that Harada quoted in that other article, complaining that the show depicted crime in Hawaii and made Hawaii look like a criminal hotspot? This is a crime show, so crimes have to be committed, there have to be people to commit these crimes, people to be victimized by them, and since the show is set in Hawaii, most of these criminals and victims will be Hawaiian or of some other Asian descent. Since the show is also screened on the mainland, they have to have elements that will make it appeal to mainland audiences – such as having Caucasian actors in the lead roles, Caucasian guest stars, etc.

Professor Trask’s complaint is that Hawaii was only depicted as a land of exotic beauties, people speaking in pidgin English, and some underworld that that the haoles were saving the locals from – and that the show was, "… just another violence-ridden Hollywood crime series and we happened to be the focus of it ... I disliked "Hawaii Five-O" and I still dislike it." Apparently, she did not see too many Hollywood crime shows. They were all different, not just in location and cast, but in storylines and portrayals of criminals. That’s another discussion in itself. Again, this is a crime show, so what is she expecting?

Both Trask and the other professor quoted in that article, UH professor Lilikala Kame'eleihiwa, cite the presence of whites or haoles as a point of resentment: "I wish that we had an international show that represented Hawaii from the Hawaiian people's point of view ... or at least a show that represented more what Hawaii is really like.... ["Five-O"] was such a totally Hollywood vision and so totally haole-dominated," she (Kame'eleihiwa ) said. They again, miss an important point: this show was not just made for Hawaiian audiences. This was made for a national and international audience. Two white actors had to be in the main cast to market it to the mainland sponsors and audience. There were two Hawaiian actors in the main cast as well, who were anything but caricatures or comic relief. Many of the criminals were also white, but are Task and Kame'eleihiwa angry about that? Did they want the locals to be the criminal masterminds rather than the accomplices? I don’t think that would have sat well with them.

I remember reading in an interview with Al Harrington on the role of the Hawaiian main cast members on the show: “Al's realistic awareness of the socio-political backdrop during much of Five-0's original airing came out during our discussion. When asked why he didn't perhaps "do more" with the Kokua character, his reply came without hesitation. Middle America, the target audience for the series, really wasn't all that interested in smaller ethnic groups gaining notoriety, he said. Instead, he pointed out, with all the upheavals related to the Vietnam War, protests and uprisings on college campuses and elsewhere, and a generally unsettling atmosphere, some symbol of stability was the goal of much of the population. Steve McGarrett's consistently strong authoritarianism and upholding of "old" values in the struggle toward victory over all the evils abounding, was the focus, and as such in the 'ensemble piece' of the fictitious elite state police force, it sold well.

Al felt he did what he could in presenting Ben as a sympathetic connection, but he did not want to risk over-stepping any boundaries, implicit or otherwise. The too early passing-on of Mr. Freeman was regretted in this context, he mentioned. That was because the series creator had a unique ability to gauge the true meaning of what was going on in the country (and indeed, the world), and what the viewing public really wanted. In time, Al believes, the role of the Polynesian in the series might well have expanded.”

The point here is that, beyond just making a crime show set in Hawaii to entertain viewers in the mainland and bring in tourism to the 50th state, the producers were taking into account the real world as it was on the mainland and around the world, not just Hawaii. There was chaos and social upheaval everywhere, and Steve McGarrett and the rest of Hawaii Five-O were the ones who set out to maintain order and quash any rising turmoil in their own part of the world, even if it was a place regarded as paradise with a larger indigenous Hawaiian/Asian population than Caucasians.

Nonetheless, you cannot have a crime show set in Hawaii without there being criminals who are Hawaiians. They were not all portrayed as criminals, nor were the Hawaiian protagonists portrayed as dumb and inept either. It sound like some of these writers, academics, and regular viewers are trying to find fault with the portrayal of Hawaiians no matter what, while losing sight of what Hawaii Five-O was about in terms of genre, the target audience as a whole and their expectations, and that the plot device of Hawaiians as “crimes lords, druggies, and henchmen” was not a perpetuation of a stereotype. That would imply that many Hawaiians were such types in real life, which was not the intent of the writers. Some Hawaiians were portrayed as such as a means to keep in line with the main premise of the show: a state police unit in Hawaii, the crimes committed there, the people who committed them, the people affected by them, and how said state police unit solved these crimes – regardless of the ethnicity of the participants or whether they were on the side of good or bad.

Added: Saturday 15 December 2012 13:16:14 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Wayne Harada's article is very positive and upbeat, but it was written nearly 15 years ago, before 9/11 and the recession. Today, a lot of people are wondering "just what is in this life for me?", but we aren't receiving the answers we need or want. We are afraid and angry and hurt. Humans are animals, and we all know what an animal becomes when it is afraid, angry, and hurt.

Added: Saturday 15 December 2012 10:00:06 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I figured as such, but the one where the Harada stuff is quoted, "Hollywood, Hawaii," is not.

Added: Saturday 15 December 2012 08:25:42 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Actually, Mike, you have the article on your site: http://bit.ly/12rangA

It's interesting - but mostly sad - to note how much attitudes have changed since that article was written in 1998. No one's laughing these days.

Added: Saturday 15 December 2012 03:51:07 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Here is an interesting comment from an article entitled “Hollywood, Hawaii” by Curt Sanburn in Where Guestbook magazine (no date).

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It’s hard to describe the pride and yearning the people of Hawai'i feel when confronted with Hollywood's images of themselves on film. Longtime Honolulu entertainment columnist Wayne Harada gave it a shot when he penned a tribute to the original "Hawaii Five-O" on the occasion of the death of Jack Lord in January 1998.

"'Five-O' became a part ot us," Harada wrote, "even if it didn't reflect real life in the Islands and often caused controversy. We watched because our front yard had become a global phenomenon."

Harada waxed ruefully nostalgic about a time whcn "the Hawaiian renaissance was just getting started. We still thought of the mainland as the most important place, and of ourselves as being way behind them." He acknowledged the show's howler inaccuracies -- of McGarrett driving the wrong way on Diamond Head Road after he just told Danno on his car radio that he was on his way to the airport -- and datedness, particularly its ham-handed treatment of non-Caucasians. The show's formula couldn't be replicated today, he observed, "not least because of the way non-Caucasians often were portrayed -- as exotic beauties, as hard-working not very bright thirds-in-command, as Chinatown prostitutes and aunties who spoke in fractured syntax."

Harada quoted a wise, part-Hawaiian salesman, Keiki Lee: "We would get so excited when that music came on," Lee said. "We always watched it in our house, and we would laugh like hell at the lines they would give people like Zulu and Al Harrington and Uncle Moe [Keale]. I wouldn't laugh now because, you know, that show was really disrespectful to local culture. But that was then. You gotta respect the show as it was then."

Added: Saturday 15 December 2012 00:18:56 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

I've read about the violence in Hawai'i. Tourists have been beaten and even killed. A sailor stationed at Pearl cut short his shore leave and went out on a ship that was leaving port in order to get away from the anti-mainlander atmosphere. I've read that the law is not enforced when the perpetrator is a local but the victim is a mainlander. I've read about the police turning a blind eye while drugs are sold and used.

One day, the Hawaiians' sovereignty movement will win out. Their victory will be short-lived, however. Without the mainlander to blame for their problems, they will have to accept that only they can cure their ills.

They will also see another, large power swallow them up. After all, if they have been the US's extended finger into the Pacific, they can be another nation's extended finger, as well. Without a strong military, which will be long gone if they succeed in running the US out, how will they fight off that other, larger power?

Have they stopped to think about anything beyond "Wouldn't it be loverly if life were the same now as it was 150 years ago?" We all feel that way, for drastic changes have occurred on the mainland, as well. We just can't afford to let ourselves dwell on such nostalgia. To do so is to lose touch with reality, and to lose touch with reality is to leave ourselves open to making unwise decisions.

The answer is not hatred. It is preserving the history and the culture for present and future generations - Hawaiian and mainlander - to celebrate and enjoy. It is working together to solve the problems without looking for someone to blame. It is ensuring that the islands receive the benefits of statehood, many of which they are not receiving. It is contact elected senators and representatives and insisting that the standard of living be brought up to mainland levels.

Most of all, it is looking for what is right, instead of what is wrong, for we always find what we are looking for. Looking for the negative is wasted energy UNLESS we use it as incentive to bring about needed change. It's much like the glass being half full or half empty. Half full leads to productivity and accomplishment; half empty does not.

I pray daily that the Hawaiian people will stop to consider the potential results before they take this movement and the attitudes behind it any farther than they already have. Otherwise, I fear they will find that they have jumped from the frying pan and into the fire, and that would be heartbreaking.

Added: Friday 14 December 2012 21:11:38 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Honolulu in particular and Hawaii as a whole may not have as much violence as the most violent cities on the mainland - Detroit, Cleveland, D.C., etc. - but there's still crime there.

My friend lives in a particular housing community In Honolulu where drug dealers and users are constantly loitering about. There are muggings, burglaries, rapes, and two people were stabbed to death during a robbery there a few months ago.

My friend even beaten by a drug user near the bus stop, she sustained severe injuries which forced her to stop working. She was waiting at the bus stop, and this crazy woman across the street saw her, ran up to her and started cursing and yelling, and throwing punches. My friend had her cat with her and was trying to protect both her cat and her face, so the full force of the blows were felt in her left ear.

A man saw this, chased the other woman down, and took her to the police station. They let her go because she was a local. My friend is from the mainland. The doctor who treated my friend didn't even describe the incident properly. She told him she was punched in the face, but the doctor wrote that she was slapped instead, so my friend didn't even get the medical reimbursement she should have gotten. She suffered from vertigo, headaches, and other problems as a result.

Added to this are thefts of people's mail, the management of the complex not maintaining the buildings and sending crooked contractors to do the work, taking their time and charging more money than they should, and tenants dealing drugs from their homes, and children vandalizing people's yards, and you have a mini crime wave.

Sadly, the police are not as diligent and trustworthy as they are portrayed on Hawaii Five-O. They turn a blind eye to her and her neighbors' complaints.

Added: Friday 14 December 2012 15:05:59 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

That was a hilarious article, quite spot on, as they say. The other caption claiming Hawaii is a peaceful paradise is not true, of course. Don't tell the touriststststs... But Hawaii, thanks to overpopulation and overdevelopment, has quickly become a suburb of El Lay and now displays all the requisite big city problems.

Added: Friday 14 December 2012 14:40:47 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

"Note the caption on the picture of Jack Lord..."
We said that in da sixties about the original show but still enjoyed the series. Some thought the depiction of a weekly national crime wave in Hawaii would hurt tourism but our fears were unfounded.
We thought it quite unrealistic and full on nonsense for a whole passel of reasons but still we liked it and it ran for, well you know.

Added: Friday 14 December 2012 13:55:58 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Given that the gun the younger brother sets back on the table, next to Kono's badge (indicating it is her gun, since Adam isn't a police officer) says he's setting up Kono. He used her gun to kill somebody, and they'll trace it back to her, shades of "Deadly Persuasion" and "Man in a Steel Frame."

Added: Friday 14 December 2012 09:43:10 MST


Submitted by: Deli Waiter
From: Pastrami land

I liked the tension between Kono, her BF, the old Yakuza boss and his ex con brother. I hope they turn Kono's character to a bad girl because you know she is going to hook up with the ex-con. There was tension in that scene and the big bro acted like a fool, just begging to be set up. That's one of the qualities lacking from this show, the tension between the actors. Jack Lord was an expert at bringing that out on the O-riginal.

Added: Friday 14 December 2012 00:47:05 MST


Submitted by: Steve' Girl
From: Germany

I completely agree, H50 and Vrinda.

Added: Thursday 13 December 2012 20:08:48 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

ROFL at picture / caption. Now, that's what I call long overdue.

Added: Thursday 13 December 2012 11:31:42 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Mike, that caption says it best. ;)

Added: Thursday 13 December 2012 11:18:09 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: Ra-lay, nc

"By the way, in case you don't realize it, Lenkov is also Canadian (or at least was born here)."

Not to mention the fact that a lot of the 5-0 eps are written/produced by Stephanie SenGupta, a true "east-coaster" (born in DC, grew up in MN, educated at Washington & Lee U. and NYU and living in El-lay-CA). :!thinking:

Added: Thursday 13 December 2012 11:14:25 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Interesting comments on implausibilities of the new show:

http://es.pn/UcJY14

Note the caption on the picture of Jack Lord...

Added: Thursday 13 December 2012 11:03:57 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

hahaha. Sometimes my sarcasm is evident, sometimes not.
EVERYone is getting their BVDs in a twist for nothing...

Added: Wednesday 12 December 2012 15:22:28 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Assuming you are not trying to be sarcastic, Kimo, what are you talking about?

If you took the time to read the post that H50.1F is responding to, you would see that I am complaining about certain aspects of the script of the last show which don't make sense.

For example:

- Rathburn, the Tom Arnold character gets hired as an armed security guard despite the fact that he had three criminal convictions
- a "small plane" is used to transport diamonds to the "island," without any further explanation. It doesn't say whether this flight originated in Honolulu, the mainland or where the flight is going.
- the Arnold character had a parachute. Was this parachute found on the plane, or did he bring it on the plane?
- considering the plane went down the day before, why wasn't there a dragnet of cops all over the place trying to locate Rathburn and to warn people that he was possibly armed and dangerous?

None of these issues have anything to do specifically with "Hawaii" other than the location.

My point being -- if the people creating the show are a bit more on the ball with the way the shows are made, then viewers will not have yet another reason to complain about how bad the show is becoming. See previous post linking to WWW sites of fans who are beginning to have their doubts about the show -- I guess you didn't see that either. If people complain about the show and stop watching it, then the show will cease production and THERE WILL BE THIS HUGE GAP IN THE HAWAIIAN ECONOMY. Maybe that is something you can "relate" to.

I await your predictable "WHATEVER" response.

By the way, in case you don't realize it, Lenkov is also Canadian (or at least was born here).

Added: Wednesday 12 December 2012 14:18:54 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

Yes. That is exACTly what H50 and Lenkov need. A Canadian telling him all about how a fiction based Hawaii TV show is unrealistic.

Added: Wednesday 12 December 2012 12:42:10 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Mike, for crying out loud, send Lenkov your resume and hop the next flight to LA. Whip that show in order and make it worth watching.

Added: Wednesday 12 December 2012 10:28:12 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Thinking more about Monday's show, this rehashes some of what I have already posted:

I liked the last (camping girls) show -- it was funny, cute and pretty logical. But once again, as with the headless horseman show, a premise that the show is based on falls apart badly if you think about it, and not even think too hard!

Tom Arnold's character is Ron Alberts, a.k.a. Ron Rathburn. He is an armed security guard, and his badge is shown in such a way that you can't see the company name. This badge, which is crudely made, says the company is "'The Number 1' Armed Response and Full Service Security Company in ALL of Hawaii Serving Oahu AND the neighboring islands." Rathburn, according to this badge, is "Licensed and Bonded."

We learn that Alberts/Rathburn had three third degree theft convictions, two for misdemeanors and one for shoplifting.

So the first question is -- why didn't the security company pick up on these before they hired him? Aren't these kind of checks typical when you are hired to be an armed guard (especially if this is such a big and seemingly reputable company)?

Then there is the business of the plane. According to Kono, who is back to being Queen of the Supercomputer, "Yesterday a small plane crashed in the jungle about five miles west of you [Danno and the camping girls]. According to the flight plan, it passed right over your location before it went down ... The plane was transporting a couple of million dollars worth of diamonds for a jewllery expo on the islands."

So where exactly was this "small plane" going? From Honolulu to some other location on Oahu? From Oahu to some other island or vice versa? Or from the Mainland to Oahu?

"A small plane" suggests to me a Cessna, not a Lear Jet, though a Lear Jet would make it to Hawaii with a typical range of 2500 nautical miles (2100 miles from L.A. to Honolulu).

And why did Alberts/Rathburn have a parachute as part of his elaborate scheme? Are parachutes normally found on "small planes"? If not, wouldn't this have drawn suspicion?

Also, wouldn't the fact that this plane went down and was carrying such an expensive cargo result in some huge dragnet by the cops to find survivor(s) and the jewels, i.e., there would have been people all over the area of the campground, possibly warning them to get out of the area because of the presence of an armed individual who had a previous criminal record?

Added: Wednesday 12 December 2012 10:18:22 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

"Max makes a deposit for $2,698.00... Is it possible that the chief medical examiner of Hawaii commands a near quarter million dollar a year salary? A very impressive take home pay."
Yea, it is possible. For a while it has been $176,924 yearly, and just lately was upped to $200,000.

Added: Tuesday 11 December 2012 13:36:21 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

Wild Pigs may well leave you alone but if cornered and/or if they feel their babies are being threatened, they WILL rip you to shreds.

Added: Tuesday 11 December 2012 13:19:17 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

John, you are really getting your BVDs in a twist for nothing:

>The girls are told that there are 300 lb killer wild boars ALL OVER the place. It is pitch dark.

>Then one girl, after just hearing this, runs off into the dark woods where she finds the guy. DOES THIS MAKE ANY SENSE???

The girl does not "run off into the dark woods." She went to get her sweater. Maybe she wanted to go to the bathroom too. She found Arnold close to the camp where he was injured. Makes total sense to me.

I have to admit that some of this sequence was confusing, because the sound mix when the girl was telling what happened ("his name is Ron," "he is such-and-such an age," "he is injured," "I have my first aid badge [words to this effect]," etc.) was REALLY bad.

As far as the "killer boars" are concerned (which was just McGarrett embellishing his big story) ... from some WWW page:

Although people say that the pigs [on Oahu] will attack, I have seen pigs on the trail countless times but have never seen one attack anything.

Added: Tuesday 11 December 2012 10:29:52 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The location for last night's show, the Ka'a'awa Valley, is not a public park (if you want to obsess about discrepancies between real life Hawaii and that depicted on the show). It's located on a ranch, and you have to pay money to get into the ranch, then go to the valley.

http://www.discoverhawaiitours.com/travel-guide/kaaawa-valley.html

These factors (if this was real life) would have influenced the speed at which Arnold's co-conspirator showed up, as well as how Chin Ho could figure out where things were so quickly and so forth.

Although this show was much better than I was expecting, not to mention the general direction the show is taking recently, I don't get the basic premise for this show.

Like a "SMALL PLANE" is transporting jewels (to a "jewellery Expo on the islands") and Arnold is the guard for this merchandise (didn't anyone bother to check his credentials before they hired him?). Where is this small plane going? From Honolulu to the north end of Oahu? From Oahu to another island? I don't think from Oahu to the mainland or vice versa! Why would Arnold have a parachute in the small plane? Is this standard operating procedure? I don't think so. The business about the plane crashing had shades of "McGarrett is Missing." Plus elements of "Elegy in a Rain Forest" as mentioned by Jason from Dallas. Not to mention "Lost" with a plane crash, stuff up a tree, etc.!

I would give the show at least a two, maybe two and a half.

Oh yeah, I had a laugh at McGarrett's "tall tales," especially when he threw the knife, making the girls all freak out as to what a cool guy he was. It reminded me of when my daughter had a birthday party for her little pals many years ago, and I played them this laser disc of Mr. Bill, this Play-doh character from Saturday Night Live who was always being horribly tortured and dismembered. Of course I knew that little kids really love this kind of sadistic stuff! Apparently at school the next day, this was the "talk of the town" among my daughter and her friends (ha ha)!!

Laugh from IMDB: Good thing that Kono wasn't the one helping to locate the girl hostage. She would go up to her and say, "Hello, my name is Kono, I'm with Five-O ... here is my badge ... uh ... oops, I don't have my badge, I gave it away to another kid!"

Added: Tuesday 11 December 2012 10:17:23 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Tom Arnold was channeling Chris Farley.

I actually had to watch this show while it was on, including the commercials. UGH!

Added: Tuesday 11 December 2012 00:17:26 MST


Submitted by: Dan
From: South Brunswick, NJ

I would have been better if Tom Arnold partner was played by Roseanne Barr. She shoots and kill him then lets out her trade mark laugh. Roseanne lives in Hawaii now i think.

Added: Monday 10 December 2012 22:01:39 MST


Submitted by: Jason
From: Dallas, Texas

Tonights episode had a feel similar to the original series episode "Elegy in a Rain Forest". I'm not saying it was as good...nothing like the original series but there were certain plot elements that were similar like camping or field trip in mountains, psycho holding girl hostage (little girl in this episode instead of an older teenage girl like Laura Prange, and the manhunt. Its just an opinion. Anyway I am a huge fan of the Original series and I enjoy your site Mr. Mike.

Added: Monday 10 December 2012 21:55:26 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

I did something unusual for myself. I decided I would stop watching the episode at the FIRST sign of stupidity

OK here we go: The girls are told that there are 300 lb killer wild boars ALL OVER the place. It is pitch dark.

Then one girl, after just hearing this, runs off into the dark woods where she finds the guy. DOES THIS MAKE ANY SENSE???

WOULD ANY YOUNG GIRL DO THIS with wild killer boars all over the place and no weapon to defend yourself with??? Unless the guy was i the field right by the campground. but Steve aad to search a while in the dark, so he was not that close.

I stopped watching a minutes or 2 after that. That is right at the begining of the episode.

Are these writers BRAIN-DEAD?????

Added: Monday 10 December 2012 21:20:00 MST


Submitted by: Ray T
From: UK living in S Florida

Huge fan of the 5-0,just watched the 'girl scout episode'and along with the rest of the new series it just stinks..I'm not giving up on the 5-0 but the script writers have.

Added: Monday 10 December 2012 21:08:17 MST


Submitted by: dan
From: omaha ne

i was watching this weeks episode were Tom Arnold plays a mysterious character hurt in the woods and take Magaret hostage with a little girl at gun point.
At one point the mysterious character(arnold)turns his back and doesnt have the gun in his hand. my point is
why does magret a navy seal and half his age and he is wounded cant over power him. i am very tired of the implausable writing on tv shows just to extent plot lines they can do better then this. i know it just a tv show wow

Added: Monday 10 December 2012 20:35:59 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

A couple of postings have been deleted because they were off-topic. Please stick to discussing the show.

Added: Monday 10 December 2012 17:24:38 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

An observation from Mr. Mike's Dec. 3 H5O 2.0 episode:

"Max makes a deposit for $2,698.00 in the bank at the beginning of the show. Sabrina writes her phone number -- 555-0177 -- on the deposit receipt."

Holy Cow! Nice paycheck Max! If I'm not mistaken, Max was depositing his paycheck every Friday. So, 52 x $2,698 is $140,296, an that's net of taxes! Is it possible that the chief medical examiner of Hawaii commands a near quarter million dollar a year salary? A very impressive take home pay.

Added: Monday 10 December 2012 15:09:27 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

It would seem that we are not the only ones who think 2.0 has jumped the shark never to return. So very sad. We had such high hopes that the remake would be a worthy successor to the original. If the producers had focused less on the age group and more on the creation of a quality product, everyone concerned would be happier, I think. Sadly, quality doesn't seem to have much value these days.

Added: Monday 10 December 2012 13:37:27 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Humor regarding episode 8, posted at IMDB by kingg-2:

Hot Chick - "Hey, the bad guy is going after Steve's mom. Lets find them"
Guy from 24 - "Yeah, lets go".
Hot Chick - "Hey, it looks like a fight, he must have kidnapped her. Lets trace her cell phone and go get her."
Guy from 24 - "Well, you're not a cop and I'm suspended, but lets go"
Hot Chick - "I'll drive my 2-seater classic Corvette that I'm able to afford on a Navy O-3 pay."
Guy from 24 - "Makes sense, the two of us plus Steve's mom plus the bad guy, we'll all fit in the Corvette".
Hot Chick - "Yep. By the way, I learned all of my martial arts skills and special agent/special forces stuff in the Navy"
Guy from 24 - "Yeah, all junior intel officers learn all of this great combat stuff. It's not like your job is to sit in front of a computer as an analyst."
Hot Chick - "Absolutely, because everyone in the Navy can karate chop bad guys, crack into safes, shoot bad guys with pinpoint accuracy."

McGarrett - "Lets get her on the no-fly list."
Scooby Gang - "But Steve, LEOs [Law Enforcement Officers] can't add people to the no-fly list just because they want to."
McGarrett - "Sure we can, and lets call TSA and tell them to capture her when she shows up at the airport.
Scooby Gang - "But Steve, TSA is not a law enforcement agency. They are a security staff, all they can do is call a cop if they feel someone needs to be detained."
McGarrett - "No way, they're federal super agents, right?"
Scooby Gang - "Well, on this show, sure. Hey, we added her to the no-fly list, but the airline gave her a boarding pass anyway."
McGarrett - "I guess it's not really the no-fly list if you can get a boarding pass, but it's great. Did TSA call a cop when she showed up at the checkpoint?"
Scooby Gang - "No, they let her through security, since she didn't have any liquids over 3.4 ounces on her."
McGarrett - "Damn, lets go and arrest her. Hey, it was just a ploy! She spent $5k to book a last minute one-way ticket to Brasil, then got her boarding pass, went through security, then killed a flight attendant and stole her uniform"
Scooby Gang - "Seriously? She's going to pretend to be Asian and work the flight with the other flight attendants? Does she know how to give the safety briefing? Can she handle a beverage cart?"
McGarrett - "It doesn't matter, after going through all the security and Rochembeau'ing the flight attendant in the crapper, she then left the airport to go to the marina. She's going to take a boat off the island, even though we're several thousand miles from land."
Scooby Gang - "Great plan, because she couldn't have just gone straight to the marina. She needed to go through security, which failed, and had to kill a flight attendant at the airport, then leave to go to the marina dressed as a flight attendant. Genius!"

Added: Monday 10 December 2012 07:44:14 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Yikes, that posting and related comments is something that Lenkov should pay attention to. I couldn't believe the way some people connected with the show were patting each other on the back over the last (horrible) episode on Twitter.

The person who made the first posting has 2,136 posts on the board, nothing to sneeze at. But some of the follow-up was from posters with even more contributions:

"[T]hings have changed so much it's no longer the show you fell in love with...." (2,849 posts)

"I find myself no longer looking forward to Monday nights like I used to...." (3036 posts)

"[T]he love affair with Alex is gone. He was the fantasy, the warm-hearted kind guy who was cut some crappy breaks, and was trying to get a long time series, to make his big break. The manly man. But after his drug rehab stint, his shiny star became a little rusted. The whole baby thing, the fact that he looks older, looks more worn down, and not what he used to be like, it has taken some of the allure away." (4,407 posts!)

Added: Monday 10 December 2012 07:23:37 MST


Submitted by: Joekido


From: http://hawaii-five-0.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=2087&page=1

Even in this board that is full of extreme fans that will defend the show at all cost, claiming it to be perfect despite the sloppiness of season 3, the fact that this show sucks is starting to take effect on some of them.

Added: Sunday 09 December 2012 23:21:19 MST


Submitted by: Mark
From: Bremerton

I thought this was a great show until this season. First of all I thought the whole Wo-Fat story would die on the vine but sad to say its still alive. Which brings me to his mom. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Mom is really a secret agent hiding out until now. They say when a show starts to tank, throw in new charicters. That is what I can't understand. I thought the show was doing fine. When they showed mom using the old car battery inquisition I about fell out of my seat laughing. And what is with this dual story lines that they have been doing. I feel like I'm watching the First 48 where they jump back and forth between two unrelated stories. And can someone answer this real simple question, "Why is a Navy Officer running around town with Hawaii 5 O shooting bad guys"? Except during Martial Law, the military has zero juristriction when it comes to civilian law enforcement. To save this show they need to get down to the basics, chasing bad guys.

Added: Sunday 09 December 2012 15:12:33 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

so what was the English translation from last monday's show?

tom arnold guests monday nite? ugh. is this the Xmas show? or is there one more new one before the holiday break?

Added: Sunday 09 December 2012 14:49:24 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I finally finished my review of the last show. I took a few days off to catch up on Homeland to its current episode. The difference between this show and the new Five-0 is like day and night in terms of quality, though episode 10 of season 2 of Homeland seems to be going in a 24-like direction where things are starting to get implausible. Hopefully they can resolve things satisfactorily, since there are only two more shows to go before the current season ends.

In reviewing the Victoria's Secret show, I remembered the following comment from earlier:

>Can you imagine taking your little growing daughter to an event like this??? (as in the episode)?

I agree, I can think of better places to take a kid who is about what ... 10 or 11?

But you can make a case that this whole scene was stupid on another level, as I pointed out in my review. In the past, Danno has been obsessively uptight about his daughter's upbringing. You may remember in one episode when Gracie was water-sliding at a hotel with some boy who was at her school, and Danno almost called this kid a "pervert." And then there was the flap in the Hallowe'en episode where some guy gave Gracie a couple of mini-bottles of booze "for her dad" because he had no other treats, and Danno just about went berserk.

Having Danno take his kid to this event is totally out of character for the guy.

Added: Sunday 09 December 2012 08:17:32 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

Danno, you are missed sir! Happy Bday James!

monday's show i saw today on demand, yeah mike....BAD ! it's the new BIRD IN THE HAND. those orbs on the robbers--look like all Mysterios (Spidey's enemy). worst chase ever with naked druggie/robber.

the opening credits changed a bit, ya noticed?

c.thomas howell has done better with his guest spots in SOUTHLAND & LONGMIRE. here---not good

Added: Saturday 08 December 2012 16:50:42 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Hau'oli la hanau, Jimmy!

Added: Saturday 08 December 2012 14:17:16 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Today would have been James's 75th birthday.

Let's put aside our differences for just one day to remember the man who gave us hundreds of hours of entertainment over five decades, bringing to life one of television's most memorable and endearing characters, and being on the receiving end of one of TV's most recognizable and often-repeated catchphrases; as well as a kind and generous gentleman, devoted son, husband, father, friend, and co-star.

Happy Birthday, Jimmy! Book 'em Danno! :!cool:

Added: Saturday 08 December 2012 11:51:38 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

OK, people, let's try and get back on track discussing the show (or even Homeland, which I finished watching up to the current episode).

Here is some news:

Another Baldwin is coming to Five-O:

http://www.examiner.com/article/daniel-baldwin-honolulu-filming-hawaii-five-0-episodes

Someone at IMDB commented

Oh brother, is this the new remake of the Vachon storyline from the original series? Each member of the family gets a shot at Five-0. Alec may have an appearance too until they run out of brothers. "D" for Delano...

Added: Saturday 08 December 2012 08:15:51 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

Virginia, 'haole' means many things as you must know. Hawaiian words have many meanings according to context. And the astute reader will surmise quickly that I allude to mainlanders or those fresh from the mainland. So, therefore I AM saying mainlander. A haole in this reference is a foreigner. I made my point. Those that prefer to not see it, well that's their prerogative. They would rather argue than learn and discuss. I have been here five decades and offer a local perspective on Hawai'i. No more, nom less.

Added: Saturday 08 December 2012 04:48:05 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

I suppose, in this day and age, "discussion and discourse" include name-calling and other offenses. Not that it does any good. Doing so only causes the recipient to get his "hackles up," as Charles Ogden (Luther Adler) said in "How to Steal a Masterpiece." As a result, nothing is ever resolved. So, here's my proposal:

Instead of using the word "haole," let's agree to use the word "mainlander."

Instead of heatedly faulting someone for using an improper term, let's agree to use the more peaceful "We prefer to say [correct term]."

Instead of faulting someone for not knowing all the small nuances about life in a distant location, let's agree to quietly accept that they have no way of knowing those nuances. In short, let's make allowances.

Fair enough? Whaddaya say?

Added: Saturday 08 December 2012 03:37:28 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

Otto. It is known as discussion and discourse on adjunct subjects. Appropriate and naturally occurring to a web site on a Hawai'i based TV show. Get with the program or ignore the program. But don't be deliberately obtuse.

Added: Friday 07 December 2012 20:34:56 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

>Do NOT buy or support in any way, any Hawaii Revealed book.

Well, all I can say is that these are THE BEST guidebooks. You learn stuff about Hawaii you would not find elsewhere.

Tails and hikes and places other guide books don't tell you anything about. Good reviews. Every place I checked out using this guidebook came out true exactly as stated in the guidebook

Added: Friday 07 December 2012 19:49:33 MST


Submitted by: otto the haole
From: NEW YAWK

Kimo, i've had it with your Haole-bashing tirades. This is a website about a TV show. Can't you find a different forum for all this bullcrap? You hate 'haoles' (which coming from you sounds like the N-word), but you're miffed when people point out the stupidity of the new show, because the show brings money into Hawaii (no apostrophe, sorry). What the heck. It saddens me that some haoles here actually kiss your ass. Sometimes you post good information, and that's cool; i wish you were nicer, but mostly it's all about the HAOLE. Stuff it, brah.

Added: Friday 07 December 2012 18:24:05 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Yep, "Odd Man In" remains a TOP 5 episode from the 4th season for me. Is it as good as the first Filer episode? No, of course not. That one was an instant classic and perhaps the wittiest and cleverest episode in the entire 12 season run. But I thought "Odd Man In" was a worthy follow-up with another outstanding performance by Hume Cronyn.

As for HOMELAND I have not seen that show. Don't have cable and not exactly chomping at the bit to see it. I really don't want to get into another show at this point the way I did with 24. Maybe someday I'll check it out. Seeing as how it's produced by HoGo (Howard Gordon) and scored by Callery it sounds promising. But something tells me I probably won't get into it (or any other show for that matter) the way I did with 24. That show was a rare lightning in a bottle scenario which I doubt will ever be duplicated.

Added: Friday 07 December 2012 15:45:32 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

"the authors had some lawsuits put on them by locals for revealng things and places about Hawaii that locals did not want you to know about--that's how good these guidebooks are!!" Gawd DAYUM, that is a very unfortunate perspective and jaundiced view. A big helping of Haole Entitlement anyone?

Do NOT buy or support in any way, any Hawaii Revealed book. They lead tourons to dangerous locales and through private property. These books are widely reviled and NO locals learn from them.. (that is an aggressively arrogant, hyper erroneous claim)
No, I retract part of that; Locals learn from these books to have even more disdain for many haoles.
The author of the books does not like being photographed preferring anonymity owing to the fact he may experience repercussions by locals.
Read this if you want even a small glimmer of the truth...
http://tinyurl.com/b9t6rvc

"The author has an ability to be condescending through much of the book, and his lack of respect for the land and people of Hawaii was almost shocking. His book started off with an incomplete and some times inaccurate history of Hawaii,..."

As far as "big island", first it was The big island. Then just big island. Too often we see nothing more than B.I. - It is lazy, very impersonal and disrespectful. If locals tell us we are being disrespectful we listen. No excuses. Kupuna long time ago corrected me when I called it the big island. They chastised me; It has a name, use it. In fact it has other 'ancient' names. Moku o keawe being one. Many refer to it as such. Of course within local circles there is much said that flies over the heads of non locals. There is a substratum lingo necessarily employed here so non locals don't know what's goin on. Too much here in Hawai'i being abused.

Added: Friday 07 December 2012 13:49:33 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Many thanks, RWarrior. Both MofH50 and RJL have proven to be challenges, yet at the same time, they have proven to be very rewarding. The biggest challenge has been to find reliable information, especially so long after the fact. Do hope you will come back again and again.

Added: Friday 07 December 2012 13:23:29 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

RWarrior....I too felt "Odd Man In" was pretty good and worthy of at least a 3-star, but hey, Mr. Mike is the boss.

Just wait until you see "SkinHead"....that ep rocks and it competes for top honors with "RIP, Somebody" for best ep of Season 4.

Added: Friday 07 December 2012 11:21:42 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

AJ, you posted some comment about Ed Asner which I totally don't understand. Please contact me through the link at the bottom of the page about this...

Added: Friday 07 December 2012 11:20:18 MST


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

Monday's show was pretty bad - grade F!

I just hope that they don't trash the upcoming HOOKMAN episode like this...:-(

Added: Friday 07 December 2012 11:14:37 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Rainbow, a look at my “boring anal-ysis” pages suggests that season four from the old show is the one that I have paid the least attention to. I don’t know the reason for this, because I’m sure I watched these shows after the DVDs came out. You can usually tell by the presence of a “MORE TRIVIA”section at the end of each episode anal-ysis that I have gone over specific shows more thoroughly.

Here are some mind-numbing statistics which show the relative size of the various season review pages on the site. The first figure is the size in bytes, followed by the season number. You can see that the fourth season is the file which is the smallest size.

 84172 5-0log1.htm
 93056 5-0log2.htm
 90492 5-0log3.htm
 66085 5-0log4.htm
 95397 5-0log5.htm
106072 5-0log6.htm
102272 5-0log7.htm
 89086 5-0log8.htm
103022 5-0log9.htm
135118 5-0log10.htm
110626 5-0log11.htm
108096 5-0log12.htm
(The next three are the files for the new show)
192529 2010-log1.htm 
131406 2010-logtwo.htm
85593 2010-log3.htm

31876 2011 5-0loga.htm
41605 2011 5-0logb.htm
24312 2011 5-0logc.htm
The “5-0log” business dates back to when I first started doing all this about 17 years ago. You can still see the original versions of some of these files on the site as per the list at the bottom with “a”, “b”, and “c.”

To view any of the above, just add http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/ before any of the file names.

The order of “most commented on” to least goes like this:

10, 11, 12, 6, 9, 7, 5, 2, 3, 8, 1, 4.

Don’t ask me why season 10 got such deluxe treatment!

Added: Friday 07 December 2012 11:11:20 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

H50 Forever,

Virginia, I just checked out your site for the first time "Memories of Hawaii Five-O" and I was really impressed. It's beautifully done, and very classy. I love your site and the care you put into it. Nice job.

Big H and Ringfire,

I'm blowing through season four and loving every minute of it. Recent episodes I've seen and my ratings on a scale of 1-10 with 10 being best.

"Nine, Ten Your Dead"- 10 rating. Masterpiece, blown away by ending.

"Is This Any Way To Run a Paradise?" About a 7 or 8. A LITTLE too derivative of season 1's "Strangers In Our On Land."

"Odd Man In" An 8. Mike didn't like it. I really enjoyed it because I love the Filer character, so it's my guilty pleasure.

"Bait Once, Bait Twice" An 8. I watched this with three other people and they all thought this was a great episode. Mike your reasons for frowning on this show?

Added: Friday 07 December 2012 08:47:55 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Is anyone here watching "Homeland"? This show has some VERY vague similarities to the new Five-O. One of the central characters is a soldier who spent time overseas fighting the bad guys (Al Qaeda and their pals), and when he returns home he has lots of problems with his family (they assumed he was dead because he was MIA for 8 years, his wife is doing it with his best friend, etc. [this is no spoiler, you find this out almost immediately]). As well, the lead actor in both shows is a "foreigner" who is playing the part of an American. One of the guys in charge of creating Homeland is Peter Lenkov's former co-worker on "24" Howard Gordon, and the music is by Sean Callery, who did the outstanding score for "24." The similarities between the new Five-O and Homeland end very quickly, because Homeland is in the category of "one of the greatest TV shows of all time" and has almost universal acclaim, all the way from Obama (who declared it his favorite show) on down. The quality of the scripts for Homeland is outstanding, and the music score demonstrates that a composer can very effectively make use of SILENCE! So if anyone wants to discuss Homeland, go ahead ... it is permitted (LOL). :D

Added: Friday 07 December 2012 08:15:39 MST


Submitted by: Elaine
From: Watertown, MA, USA

HFO Forever and John Stockton, thank you for the info on the Island of Hawaii. I'll certainly check these references out. I was last there in 1973 and did a 4-island tour with AAA. We saw a lot, and did a lot, and always swore we would go back...it's only taken 40 years!

I didn't see this last episode of the new Five-Zero that everyone's chatting about...but it sounds a little, from everyones' posts, like The Burning Ice. Only not at all done well. That was the episode where Jackie Cooper hires a guy dying of leukemia to take the fall for the murder of his wife...the guy desperately needed money for his son who was institutionalized...he and his wife had no jobs and no insurance. The ploy, however, was that he was a conscientious objector during the Korean War and refused to kill the wife....so Cooper does the dirty deed himself and this guy is arrested for murder, knowing full well that he wouldn't live to go to trial. That was a very powerful episode, I thought, well-written and well-acted, especially by the guy who was sick (David), and McGarrett's smile at the end when he catches Dr. Southmore? is priceless! He tells Danno to Book'em and strides away, one of McGarrett's most powerful exits. Yes, the original series was first class for its time! Too bad the new series sucks. I haven't seen that many episodes, but enough to know that the new version isn't for me.

Aloha and Mahalo!

Added: Friday 07 December 2012 08:05:08 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

>During the commotion with the guys fighting,

OK, so she gather the money, gives it to the robbers, hits the floor as instructed, and THEN GETS UP?? when she was on the floor, when every one else stayed on the floor even during the commotion, just to see "what was going on" because a fight breaks out with people with guns

Smart girl! If she had a gun or something herself, I could buy that.

It is scary to think about this episode. Something new always pops up.

Added: Thursday 06 December 2012 15:03:01 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

"The other thing that caught my eye--how did the girl friend get wounded in the abdomen when she was (I think) always behind the teller window area, which would have shielded her below the high chest and head area??"

During the commotion with the guys fighting, the teller, who was previously on the floor as per the gunman's request, had stood up to see what was going on. Then she got hit. But whether she was in the line of fire based on the position of the two guys on the floor is another question.

See, even though this show was total shit, I was still watching carefully! :p

Added: Thursday 06 December 2012 14:42:54 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

>The whole plot line of being killed as a hero during a >bank robbery instead of dying from cancer was a low of >lows for the new show

It is also not logical. A loving family man with a young daughter, would know that pulling off a bank heist, involving guns and a lot of risk and danger to others, innocent others, would not be worth it. The risk to others would not be worth any saving face he might accomplish. What if there would have been an undercover cop in line, or security guard then, etc, etc.? If he could come up with a plan that would save face and just involve risk to himself, that would be one thing.

He is going to die anyway of cancer, so he can't even be around to enjoy any saving face he would accomplish. So, it would be just for the sake of memory of the wife and child. is that worth the risk to innocent others. Bank robberies with guns are VERY dangeous things

But this was too bizarre. If he was a hard-core criminal with a warped mind, then maybe. The way he talked to Five-0 and his wife, like a sensible man in charge of his faculties and emotions, also kills any notion that cancer was effecting his thinking processes to dream up such a plan

The other thing that caught my eye--how did the girlfreind get wounded in the abdomen when she was (I think) always behind the teller window area, which would have shielded her below the high chest and head area?? Or was she lying down on the floor??--then too an abonomen wound does not make sense.

And the guy was shot also I think in the main part of the body, and I would think that would be enough organ tissue to keep the bullet from passing through him. Had he been shot in a skinny portion, like neck, arm, then maybe a bullet could pass thru. I am no gun expert, and refuse to rewatch this trash episode to verify anything, but this all made no sense to me right from the get-go.

I was braced for Victory Secret nonsense, but for a whole plot of Victory Secret nonsense. Instead I got a double dose of nonsense

This show is a disgrace to the original series, and a disgrace to the culture and state of Hawaii.

Shame on any true Hawaiian that likes this show, or anyone else who might use the excuse "its entertainment" to get a thrill out of it (if that even possible?). This show is not a Batman, Superman garbage type of show where you might be allowed to think that way.

Added: Thursday 06 December 2012 14:37:38 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

Mike: Couldn't agree more with you regarding the Dec 3 episode. Total trash. The whole plot line of being killed as a hero during a bank robbery instead of dying from cancer was a low of lows for the new show. Aloha.

Added: Thursday 06 December 2012 09:57:49 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

I always wonder what goes thru the minds of the actors/directors who play out this nonsense plots. If they have brains, they know BETTER than we do how ridiculous this is because they have to shoot this stuff with stunt people, and retrakes and outakes--over and over--we see it once in perfect form, they made it perfect (stupid) form several times before.

And if they have brains they know how stupid people are who are their fans.

If you do it to be funny and to knowingly be unrealistic (Like Batman, Supermnan, Spiderman and all that nonsense), that's one thing, but if you do in the guise of a realsitic human happening, and you know it can't be this way, well, how do you live with yourself?

You must not have a high regard for truth and reality. And this then can infect you personally in many other ways as you get more used to "lieing"

No wonder some of them commit suicide or just forsake the whole acting bit after awhile and what nothing to do with it.

Added: Thursday 06 December 2012 09:32:13 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

A BIRD IN THE HAND PART 2? this i gotta see on demand and waste 44 mins of my life

Added: Wednesday 05 December 2012 16:24:32 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

hawaiirevealed.com -- I think I read in the past the authors had some lawsuits put on them by locals for revealng things and places about Hawaii that locals did not want you to know about--that's how good these guidebooks are!! Excellent maps. They also review hotels, places, restaurants--all of which they have checked out themselves. YOU CAN NOT BEAT THESE BUIDEBOOKS

Added: Wednesday 05 December 2012 13:35:49 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Yes, I understand, Kimo, but I like the name "Big Island." It's so much more personal and inviting.

Added: Wednesday 05 December 2012 13:33:00 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

Buy these guidebooks--THEY ARE UNSURPASSED. Like no other guidebook about Hawaii. So good even locals learn from them. I have them for Oahu, Kauai, and Big island

hawaiirevealed.com

Added: Wednesday 05 December 2012 13:14:01 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

Hawai'i Island Volcanic Ocean activity...
(It is Hawai'i Island. It has a name. Use it)

http://bit.ly/R63xfd

Added: Wednesday 05 December 2012 12:46:18 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

There's so much history on Big Island, things you will want to know before you go there. Don't just stop with what the tour books tell you. Read "Mark Twain's Letters from Hawaii" (Honolulu: University of Hawai'i Press, 1975). Although most of the autobiographical book is set on O'ahu, a most interesting chapter is set on Big Island, between Kealakekua and the Volcanoes National Park. He even stayed at the hotel there and talks about seeing the red glow of the volcanoes from his room at night.

Twain also talks about the Hana Highway (then, a trial) on Maui. He discusses the lengthy preparations for mourning and a funeral for royalty on the lawn of the original 'Iolani Palace (not the one that stands today; it was completed in 1882).

It's all told as Hawai'i was in 1866, when Samuel Langhorne Clemens (Mark Twain) spent several months in the islands and sent articles about his travels to the newspaper for which he worked in San Francisco. It lets us travel back to 1866 and see Hawai'i as it was long before the Kingdom was overthrown or the US military arrived or the real estate developers arrived. King Kamehameha V was on the throne, and the legislature was at an impasse, for neither the Hawaiians nor the Caucasians would agree to communicate in the language of the other. Mr. Twain discusses it all as it seemed to him as the day's news events.

Then, watch Five-0 episodes set on Big Island. In addition to "A Hawaiian Nightmare" (Season 7), pay attention to "Tread the King's Shadow" and "Descent of the Torches," both in Season 10. There's a wealth of Big Island Hawaiian history in those episodes.

Of course, no study of the Big Island would be complete without delving into the mysteries surrounding Capt James Cook's voyage to Big Island. After picking up the basic details from usual sources, go to the library and pick up a copy of this Colonial Williamsburg magazine article: Berg, Susan. “Looking for the Real Captain Cook” in Colonial Williamsburg: The Journal of the Colonial Williamsburg Foundation. Vol. XXXIV, No. 1, Winter 2012, pp. 61-65.

Added: Wednesday 05 December 2012 12:32:28 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

>I would love to hear from anyone who has knowledge of the Big Island!

If you are an older person be aware the air quality in Hawaii can turn bad (VOG) because of the volcanic activity on the Big Island, especially when trade winds aren't there. There's not much to see on Molokai--sort of a lonely island. Kauai is always a good spot. Eastern side can be rainy when south side is sunny

Added: Wednesday 05 December 2012 08:42:03 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

I just saw some photos of the Victoria Secret fashion show on CBSNEWS.COM.

I am just shocked and amazed at HOW STUPID humans being can be. This is SO RIDICULOUS! Modeling women's underwear in public on commercial TV with ridiculous costumes. That should stay between a husband and wife in the privacy of their bedroom

Doesn't America have any shame anymore?

Can you imagine taking your little growing daughter to an event like this??? (as in the episode)?

Added: Wednesday 05 December 2012 07:43:52 MST


Submitted by: Elaine
From: Watertown, MA, USA

Just checking in after a hiatus of sorts. After reading the latest posts, I guess it's a good thing that I haven't been following the new HF-zero. Sounds like the last episode was a real bomb.

I just read that Last Resort has been cancelled...it was a bit hard to follow, but in general, I thought the show had an interesting premise. I did notice on the last show that Rabbit Island was in the background...I didn't realize that this show was being filmed in Hawaii, but from all the original HFO's, I've learned to recognize certain land features and Rabbit Island has such a distinct profile, it's hard to miss. I'm guessing that the scene was filmed on the military road, overlooking Waimanalo. The same area that was used for "Turkey Shoot at Makapuu Point". Can anyone verify that for me?

I'm working my way through Season 3 now, for the third or fourth time. METV is running eps from season 2. Those early years of Five-O with the original cast were the best, I think. Although I've always liked Duke and Kamana, Kono was always one of my favorites and I was sorry to see his character go after season 4.

I'm trying to plan a vacation to Hawaii in 2013. It's been 40 years since I was last there! I've been waiting for the Volcano House Hotel to reopen so I can spend a few days in Hawaii Volcanoes National Park, conversing with Madam Pele! I would love to hear from anyone who has knowledge of the Big Island! We're planning on doing a humpback whale watch, maybe a dolphin interactive swim, some snorkeling/diving and trail riding. We may also spend a day or two on Kauai or Molokai. The itinerary is open at this time. Any suggestions? I'm not interested in doing touristy stuff (i.e. visiting coffee plantations, orchid farms or sugarcane factories). This will be more of an eco-tour for a couple of senior citizens, so nothing too stressful!

Hope everyone has a Happy and Healthy Holiday.

By the way, Mike, have you heard if the new Five-zero has been renewed for another season yet?

Added: Wednesday 05 December 2012 07:41:13 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

What happened to the blonde-haired woman in the purple shirt the bank robbers kidnapped at the beginning?

Added: Tuesday 04 December 2012 10:53:20 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

IMDB comments on Ma McG:

Everything about Steve's mother is non-believable and pointless (IMO).

I don't think there is 'any' explanation for the Woo-Fat incident that will be believable. It'll be a letdown no matter what after all the build-up. :( She had to stay away from her kids all those years for safety, but suddenly she can reject the protective custody and live out in the open? *roll eyes*

---

If I can add, it seems to me all of her stories don't even line up. I think they realized they made mistakes and are covering them up. Doris's age does not line up in anyway they are saying nor does her "no" dialog on anything is really working. By the way the whole series was Steve finding his dads killer and bringing him to justice it's hard to believe Doris could care less about that.

One last point ...Will someone please get her to stop wearing all that stage make-up/clown make-up on her eyes what does she think this is Macbeth or something..LOL

Added: Tuesday 04 December 2012 09:20:20 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Other rehashed ideas:

- Models come to Hawaii, they have "problems." (Rick Springfield show)
- Someone gets seriously injured, ends up in hospital, gets killed in hospital by someone they know. (headless horseman show, I think there are others)

Added: Tuesday 04 December 2012 09:13:25 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Sounds like another week when I'm glad I listened to music. This time, I listened to Bruddah Iz, both Mahaka Sons and later. See, there's more than one way to visit Hawai'i on a Monday night. This way is much more rewarding.

Added: Tuesday 04 December 2012 03:17:17 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

I am not going to spend time responding to ther stupidity of the show, but do want to empahsize again how deeply it pains me to see how UNHawaiiam this show is.

I mean Victory Secret -- what is that? --women's UNDERWEAR basically.

When a culture makes a icon out of something like women's underwear, you are dealing with a sex-obessesd, sex-crazed culture, that really should make you blush out of embaresement more than anything else instead of glamorizing it

And to see this trash then thrown onto Hawaii--it just sickens me.

Another thing that I have noticed abut this show -- there are at time two main police stories going on at the same time. I sort of feel the writers are so stupid at writing one (good?) story, that they can't even do that well enough, so they have to come up with a second story. I'd rather have ONE GOOD story then 2 shorter stories of lower quality.

But there is no quality here ANYEHERE to be found. Just TRASH.

Added: Tuesday 04 December 2012 00:37:26 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Very good, Jeff. Maybe you should be "guest reviewer" for this show on my anal-ysis pages!

This was a mind-numbingly bad show. My jaw kept dropping and I kept writing STUPID on my note paper.

The basic plot was unbelievably badly written, and the stalker subplot (the only reason to get the Victoria's Secret models involved in the proceedings) was even worse.

What really jarred me was the fact that Kono was totally out of character -- her dialog was much different than normal.

But there was more!

McGarrett's "philosophical speech" to C. Thomas Howell at the end was almost as laughable as when the Victoria's Secret model was trying to sound intelligent talking to Five-0 earlier on.

The way they kept trying to hide the hallucinating guy's nakedness reminded me of Austin Powers movies. And the leaping from the hospital on to the roof below (and subsequent stunts) was crazy, a normal person would have been killed. It was like the opening of the recent Casino Royale, which also had idiotic stunts.

Speaking of stunts, the stalker climbs up the side of the hotel on the balcony, the same kind of move "Catherine" was doing in the previous week's show. DUH!!!

The music, sounding very recycled, was much worse than normal.

Is this "A Bird in Hand" for the new series?

By the way, on Twitter, Lenkov said "pay close attention to the main titles tonight. Little surprise." I think he meant "tit-les." :!devil:

Added: Monday 03 December 2012 23:39:21 MST


Submitted by: Jeff
From: Denver

I just have about totally given up on this show. I've stood by it as Mr. Mike has when it's been good, and generally accepted it when it's been weak, but this run of Season 3 shows is just beyond ridiculous.

Tonight had many moments that actually made me laugh, they were so ridiculous.

*Kono just happens to find Steve within seconds after he and the bad guy had a chase across multiple rooftops and through a hospital window

*Max takes the victim of a shooting in the abdomen (home of the intestines) to have turkey sandwich on whole wheat the next day in the cafeteria. Whole wheat is roughage, which makes the (ta da!) intestines...have to work and grind more, in the area she had just been shot. And he gamely got it for her without saying anything. She would have been on IVs still at this point.

*The bad guy at the end takes an armed McGarrett hostage at gunpoint, has him drive him into the jungle, just so he can give him his gun back and make him shoot him.....all of which could have been accomplished within seconds back at the hospital (minus all the expository dialogue).

*forgive and forget was the key phrase that kept sticking in McG's head; what's so weird about a dying ex-husband sayiing that about his bitter ex-wife. ???

*how the fuck did Kono, Chin and Danno manage to find Steve out in the jungle---did the bad guy have GPS tracking in his car?

*Does a big outfit with hot models like Victoria's Secret who are preparing for a big show NOT HAVE ANY F*CKING SECURITY AT ALL?????

*How did Steve and Danno get into the party at the end without their badges, which were being used by the other 2 idiots? Oh, wait, that's right---Victoria's Secret apparently has NO F*CKING SECURITY AT ALL!!

*We just saw a bullet pass through a guy into a bank teller that was in the line of fire behind the guy, and she's in the hospital. Danno fires at a stalker in a hotel room, two shots, with the hot model in his line of fire behind the nutjob, and she's not hit at all???

I could go on but you get the idea. Plus, poor Daniel Dae Kim must be sick of being the SuperComputer Bitch this season. It's really getting old. He can probably do that stupid screen swipe with his hand in his sleep by now.

1/2 of a star, or a D-. One of the worst! (And that's saying something, as the bar is pretty low!)

Added: Monday 03 December 2012 22:37:32 MST


Submitted by: Brigham Young
From: Salt Lake City, UT

"Victory Secret" models?

:!fubar:

Stick with basketball, 'John Stockton'.

Added: Monday 03 December 2012 20:05:26 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: KAILUA

Kanekīlou

Added: Sunday 02 December 2012 22:32:23 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

So Kimo, how do you say "Hookman" in the language?

Added: Sunday 02 December 2012 19:34:51 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

could not bear anymore to watch EVIL WOMAN after 10 mins and that was one quickie of a teaser. hey w/ RoboCop directing HOOKMAN, let's hope it's a one shot story, no McG mom! no McG galpal! no side stories! just McG vs Sniper with Hook Hands!

Added: Sunday 02 December 2012 14:44:48 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

"enjoyed Truck's undercover role as a traveling salesman. Moe Keale could bring it, that's for sure."
fun ep... but highly unlikely. A local scammin' locals with schlock. Would not happen here.

Added: Sunday 02 December 2012 01:15:03 MST


Submitted by: John Stockton
From: Chicago

I think tomorrow's episode has somethng to do with Victory Secret models, or something.

Oh brother!

Brace yourself for perhaps one of the most ridiculous, non-hawaiian episodes! Maybe it might make the N. Korean rescue episode of last season something to enjoy by comparison!

Added: Sunday 02 December 2012 01:10:06 MST


Submitted by: DeliWaiter
From: wishing I was in Pahoa

When I got home after two weeks on the Big Island, I was ready to pack up and move to Hilo. After my Hilo high wore off I decided I needed a PLAN if I was to move there permanently. I had to be self sufficient with enough monthly income to live. Then I thought, why not stay where I am at and visit the islands when I can and call it even? That's the plan I like best. That way I am contributing to the island's economy without becoming a nuisance. I know I could find work if I wanted too, good waiters are always in demand. That could be me slinging hash at Ken's House of Pancakes ringing the Sumo gong and yelling in a loud NY voice SUMO. And it right next to the GOODWILL which makes me feel right at home. Get me a mini-bike and I am all set.

PS I watched the 12th season show The Kahuna and enjoyed Truck's undercover role as a traveling salesman. Moe Keale could bring it, that's for sure. Not bad for a nail-banger turned actor.

Added: Saturday 01 December 2012 23:59:07 MST


Submitted by: AJ
From: NY

I think the new H5O can be saved with a two-hour episode in which O'Loughlin's McGarrett learns how to tie a necktie, and Caan's Danno learns how to shave.

Added: Saturday 01 December 2012 19:03:06 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

maybe HAWAII FIVE O AND FRIENDS can crash the set of HUNGER GAMES: CATCHING FIRE since it's being filmed there....now there's a must see! McGarrett vs Katniss!

Added: Saturday 01 December 2012 17:13:55 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

John Stockton, Chicago
Mahalo for your mana'o. (sharing your thoughts)
Bottom line, communication and discourse brings us to an understanding. At least healthy and full self expression, which I support 100%.
Have a great weekend!

Added: Saturday 01 December 2012 00:39:44 MST


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