Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- December 2011

The Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- December 2011


The following are archived comments from December 2011. After looking around, please add your own comments!

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Submitted by: Bill K.
From: Detroit area

A director's credit that comes up in the 11th and 12th seasons (including the series finale, Woe to Wo Fat) is that of Barry Crane. If you've read Patrick White's book on Mission: Impossible, you'll see quite a bit about him. It was said he could take a script and come up with a production schedule in an incredibly short amount of time.

Besides being a television production manager, producer and director, he was a very gifted bridge player, and the ACBL's bio of him is here: http://bit.ly/vYvcSN

He was murdered in 1985, a crime that has never been solved. In this case, there was no real-life McGarrett.

Added: Saturday 31 December 2011 17:32:51 MST


Submitted by: Steve's Girl
From: Germany

Hau'oli Makahiki Hou to all of you from Germany where it is 01/01/2012 already.

Added: Saturday 31 December 2011 17:13:35 MST


Submitted by: Five-0
From: Chillin in Kailua Kona now

Oh, I thought Mike Q dropped the page a while back... Well just wanted to wish the 5-0 crew, Mr. Mike, Kimo, Barbara, Jeff, Steven, and all the rest a Happy New Year from Michael Hedges

Added: Saturday 31 December 2011 16:29:03 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Just re-viewed The Kahuna, I didn't think it was so bad this time The rating went from 1/2 to 2-1/2! In this show several people make their last Five-O appearances: Doug Mossman, Don Knight, Terry Plunkett, Emma Veary. I really wonder if the writers for the current show are taking some of their inspiration from the twelfth season. Consider this:

More comments here.

Added: Saturday 31 December 2011 12:34:15 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

From the Windy City, just want to wish everyone here a very happy new year. Let's make 2012 a great one!

Added: Saturday 31 December 2011 08:57:09 MST


Submitted by: Steven
From: Miami

I think I found a boo-boo in "Death Mask." I'm pretty sure it was this one, anyway...I've watched several S11 episodes lately.

When Duke calls McGarrett about Mik, he says that the guy was supposed to get five thousand dollars. When the scene cuts to McGarrett on the pay phone, McGarrett says *fifty* thousand.

Added: Saturday 31 December 2011 03:43:29 MST


Submitted by: Bill K.
From: Detroit area

Here's the HMSS Weblog's salute to Jack Lord on his 91st birthday.

http://bit.ly/ui4tFB

Not a lot here that folks who frequent this discussion forum haven't seen. It does address why JL demanded so much to reprise the role of Felix Leiter in Goldfinger. Essentially, they're not going to give it you unless you ask. Plus, playing Leiter would have been a professional dead end.

Added: Friday 30 December 2011 15:15:23 MST


Submitted by: Big H
From: Can't remember....

"Big H, you are obviously not reading my anal-ysis of the first season too carefully. By show #17, they had had >>9<< plots which involved kidnapping (at this point, I gave up counting)."

Au contraire, Bossman, I do, but I tend to read them either just before or after watching an ep for the first time. In fact, some of those S1 eps are so convoluted (with poor word pronunciations) that reading your revered "anal-ysis" is the only way to make sense of some of them. My comments below were made I'm afraid from my (suspect) memory.... :!thinking:

Really enjoying these recent postings revealing insights into S11 & S12....

Added: Friday 30 December 2011 11:40:28 MST


Submitted by: Bill K.
From: Detroit area

My post yesterday about the 10th season got me to thinking about the producer turnover on Five-O. I'm guessing it was a rough show to work on, because it seemed like there was significant turnover between most seasons. Here's the best producers guide I can do without getting out all the episodes. Feel free to add corrections. All of this excludes the pilot.

EXECUTIVE PRODUCER (top ranked producer, although the title was not used all seasons): Leonard Freeman, seasons 1-6), Philip Leacock (9), Douglas Green (10, partial)

SUPERVISING PRODUCER (in some seasons, including 7, 8, part of 10, 11 and 12, this is the top-ranked producer): Franklin Barton (2), Stanley Kallis (3), Bob Sweeney (4-7), Philip Leacock (8), Fred Baum (part of 10, 11, part of 12), Gene Levitt (part of 12)

PRODUCER by season (i.e. credit reads "Produced by," sometimes with "Hawaii," "Hollywood" or "Singpore" underneath the name):

1: Joseph Gantman, Robert Stambler, Leonard Freeman (Once Upon a Time only), Sidney Marshall

2: Leonard Katzman (preceding season he had been associate producer of The Wild, Wild West, later he'd be be producer of Dallas).

3: Robert Stambler.

4-7: William Finnegan

8: Richard Newton

9: James Heinz (Hollywood), Douglas Green (Hawaii)

10: James Heinz (Hollywood), Fred Baum (Hawaii, though some episodes the Hawaii location isn't used), Buck Houghton (Hawaii)

11: Leonard B. Kaufman (Hawaii, though he's the only one who gets the title, not sure why having Hawaii be part of his credit was necessary)

12: Andrew Gottlieb (Hollywood), William F. Phillips (Hawaii, part of season)

ASSOCIATE PRODUCER by season

1: Sam Manners (Once Upon a Time only)

2: Larry Stewart (partial), James Heinz (partial)

3-8: James Heinz

10: Andrew Gottlieb (partial; earlier in the season he got an "assistant producer" credit in small type)

11: Andrew Gottlieb

12: Beau Van Den Ecker (had to share the screen; in previous seasons, the associate producer got the screen all to himself).

Added: Friday 30 December 2011 09:32:23 MST


Submitted by: Steven
From: Miami

Thanks for posting that William Smith interview, Maxine.

As one of the few fans who actually enjoys seasons 11 and 122, I love all this enthusiastic talk, even when they're complaints about plot holes, wardrobes, and rehashing of earlier episodes. I had posted several capsule reviews of S12 last year, but since few had seen those episodes, there was little response. Now it's all gonna be about "The Season Twelve"! :D

Strange, but I also prefer "The Syndicate Years" of Mission: Impossible over the routinely worshiped Bain/Landau years. There's obviously something seriously twisted about me. :!devil:

I was also thinking what a huge missed opportunity it was when Jack declined to appear on Magnum, P.I. Seeing McGarrett one last time would IMO have had the same kind of impact that Frank Sinatra's appearance had when he did the show.

Added: Friday 30 December 2011 04:27:00 MST


Submitted by: Bill K.
From: Detroit area

re: 10th season troubles.

I think the progression went like this:

early season: Douglas Green, executive producer (promoted from Hawaii-based producer of season 9); B.W. Sandefur, supervising producer; James Heinz (a Five-O stalwart going all the way back to season 1 as "assistant to the producers") as Hollywood-based producer; Fred Baum, Hawaii-based producer.

middle: Heinz and Sandefur depart (with, presumably a lot of institutional memory going with Heinz) and they end up on a drama called (I think) Having Babies. Green is still around. Baum just has a "produced by" credit with no city listed below his name.

end: Green is gone. So is the executive producer title, never to be used again. Fred Baum is supervising producer, a post he'll hold all the way through season 11 and the very start of season 12. Buck Houghton, TV veteran whose credits include the first three seasons of the Twilight Zone is listed producer with (Hawaii) under his name. Given he's the only person with the title, not sure why the (Hawaii) was needed.

Added: Thursday 29 December 2011 21:24:33 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Just a note to those who might be interested:

December 30th is Jack's birthday. We have a party going on over at my RJL site (www.rememberingjacklord.com). Stop by and play the game that was selected for the occasion.

Added: Thursday 29 December 2011 20:12:43 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Re: Marie's age - - Earlier this year, I found Marie's listing on legacy.com. It has been reorganized since then, so I can't get back into the listing. These listings are now controlled by genealogy groups that charge money to search them, but here are the notes I made at the time I found Marie's listing:

"I then looked up Marie. (Marie Ryan, Hawaii). Marie Ryan, ZIP Code 96816, Born August 16, 1905. Died October 13, 2005. She was 100 years old when she died. She was also 15 years, 4 months older than Jack. They married on January 17, 1949, which means she was almost 45 years old at that time."

Added: Thursday 29 December 2011 19:55:21 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

I have always thought that the premise of Sharon Farrell and William Smith taking over Five-O beyond the 1979-1980 season without Jack Lord around at all a bit far-fetched.

The series’ ratings had been steadily falling for at least a couple of years prior to the final season in 79-80. How would essentially trading Jack Lord and James MacArthur in the two leading roles for William Smith and Sharon Farrell have improved the ratings and the quality of the show? Furthermore, cops and private eye series were beginning a general decline in popularity around this time from the peak reached in the early to mid-‘70s. If CBS wanted Smith and Farrell to appear in a series together, why not just start over with a new series rather than give them a series that had run its’ course and ask them to replace a legend to boot? This doesn’t make sense. Also, William Smith’s career was apparently going pretty well around this time, appearing in the Clint Eastwood film Any Which Way You Can later in 1980.

From the articles that I read, I was under the impression that Farrell was let go after several episodes and that Smith looked forward to the role in the beginning but became disenchanted in part due to having to work with Jack Lord. Mr. Mike raises a good point though about why Lord didn’t confront Smith about his lack of interest and passion in most episodes he was in. It doesn’t appear that Lord had lost interest in the show given the story that Mr. Mike referenced about the episode, "The Flight Of The Jewels”, which was one of the last episodes produced. The fact that none of the other Season 12 regulars appeared in the final episode is very telling in this regard (the performance of the final season cast). If James MacArthur had still been around at that time, he almost certainly would have had a significant role in that episode.

With regards to Marie, there is one thing that I have always found curious. While it is hard to tell for sure, she did not look 15 years older than Jack to me in pictures of them together, although she certainly could have been. As for his post Five-O life, I had read that Tom Selleck and others had tried to get Lord to appear in Magnum, P.I. but to no avail. While early onset of Alzheimer’s or general poor health could explain his not appearing in any roles after M Station Hawaii, Lord didn’t pass away until January 1998. This would have been a long time to have suffered with Alzheimer’s especially (from the early ‘80s until 1998). He very well could have decided that enough was enough and that he wished to be at home with Marie as H50 1.0 Forever stated so well.

Added: Thursday 29 December 2011 18:55:37 MST


Submitted by: Maxine
From: Brooklyn

Found the William Smith interview. He does have a thing or two to say about H5O, though nothing specific about what happened there at the end.

http://aseasonedtaste.blogspot.com/2010/12/william-smith-bigger-than-life.html?zx=ea2169d4e027d1c1

Added: Thursday 29 December 2011 18:03:29 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Big H, you are obviously not reading my anal-ysis of the first season too carefully. By show #17, they had had >>9<< plots which involved kidnapping (at this point, I gave up counting). See the comment at the end of this section:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/2010-log1.htm#17

Added: Thursday 29 December 2011 16:40:46 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Re: "...sounds like a man with real ambition. Yet after the M Station pilot he never acted again. I hate to bring up health concerns (memory, arthritis, etc.) but it seems very odd..." - - - We need to remember that, when Five-0 ended production (December 1979), Marie was 74 years old. Earlier, Jack had said he wanted to devote time and attention to Marie, who had waited patiently for 12 years, during Five-0's run. It seems likely that, given her age and the fact that not many people lived beyond the age of 80 in those days, Jack and Marie might have thought they would not have many more years together. They would have wanted to take advantage of whatever time they had remaining. Little could they have foreseen that (1) Marie would outlive Jack and (2) Marie would live to the age of 100.

Added: Thursday 29 December 2011 15:39:30 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: right here...right now....

"(Did anyone notice there are three shows dealing with gold and jewelry in this season: A Bird in Hand..., The Golden Noose and Flight of the Jewels?)"

That reminds me of S1 of the reboot .....didn't they have 3 or 4 bonafide kidnappings and there were also 2 pseudo-naps...one on the Missouri with Loggia and then Danno's ex was car-napped, I think. Talk about a wornout plot. :!headbang:

Added: Thursday 29 December 2011 15:30:14 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

As far as I can determine, a link to this Smith interview (if such exists) has never been posted in the Guestbook or Discussion Forum.

Added: Thursday 29 December 2011 13:10:11 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

"Suppose... just suppose..." ...hehe ...I can hear McG say it.

I think I posted a link to the Shock/William Smith interview a while back... or maybe it was Don Stroud?

Added: Thursday 29 December 2011 12:52:50 MST


Submitted by: Steve D
From: Fairfax VA

Mike, about your point on Sharon Farrell saying Jack already had eyes on doing another show (M Station or whatever) - one of the other Jack Lord quotes I ran across from 1978 was "I don't want to be typed as a cop – I'm capable of doing a variety of roles and I intend to from now until they call me to the great beyond".

Interesting...sounds like a man with real ambition. Yet after the M Station pilot he never acted again. I hate to bring up health concerns (memory, arthritis, etc.) but it seems very odd...

Added: Thursday 29 December 2011 10:27:06 MST


Submitted by: Maxine
From: Brooklyn

"Suppose... just suppose..." that halfway through the Season 12 production schedule someone told both Farrell and Smith that there wouldn't be a 13th Season after all. Farrell reacts by leaving the show and Smith reacts by phoning it in henceforth. To me that's the simplest explanation.

By the way, has anyone unearthed the interview of William Smith done by Shock Cinema magazine a few years ago? Wonder if he talks about 5-O there.

Added: Thursday 29 December 2011 10:24:37 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

More "golden" facts about the booty in A Bird in Hand...

If gold was worth about $600 an ounce, and they had $100,000,000 to "liquidate," this would have converted into 10416 pounds of gold, or approximately 5.2 tons. At the rate of 24 cans of pineapple to a case (see my previous calculations a couple of messages ago), this means that they would have needed 1157 cases of pineapple to smuggle the gold, which is probably a lot more than are seen on the back of the pickup truck that is taking the cases to the airport.

Also, the pineapple is being air-freighted to D.V. Enterprises in Paraguay ... D.V. meaning "del Vecchi," of course. Considering how secretive this guy is, why would he give a major clue to the cases' destination like this? Another "DUH" moment.

This show should be required study by all aspiring TV writers in how NOT to write an episode for TV.

(Did anyone notice there are three shows dealing with gold and jewelry in this season: A Bird in Hand..., The Golden Noose and Flight of the Jewels?)

Added: Thursday 29 December 2011 09:53:36 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Good comments, Steve. But the episodes introducing Lori and Kimo weren't shot in the middle of the production schedule; they were first and fourth -- http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/season12.pdf

Considering how Jack Lord was supposedly so involved in the production of the show in later seasons and concerned with details like the quality of the acting and so forth (see my re-view of Flight of the Jewels for comments by one of the supporting actors to that effect -- http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/5-0log12.htm#274), I don't understand why he would let William Smith's disinterested performances in some of the episodes pass.

Smith is a very big, imposing guy -- is it possible that Lord was intimidated by him? The final season would have been a lot better if they had brought Kimo into the team as a heavy who would break down doors and grill suspects, sort of like Kono in the early seasons. The only problem is, who would have been the "second banana"? Herman Wedemeyer really didn't have the acting chops to pull this off, and neither did Moe Keale.

According to Sharon Farrell, Lord wanted to devote himself to another production, presumably M Station Hawaii, leaving her and Smith to take over Five-O. That was the idea. But Farrell left the show half way through the season, for reasons which have never been explained. Maybe Smith's interest in the show went downhill when he realized that there wasn't going to be any future employment for him, both because of Farrell's departure and the declining ratings.

Added: Thursday 29 December 2011 09:38:21 MST


Submitted by: Steve D
From: Fairfax VA

"Year of the Horse" was actually the first season 11 show to be filmed (in April 1978, according to newspaper articles). Not sure why it was held back as the season finale. By the way, 1978 was actually the year of the horse, not 1979 when it was broadcast.

Some more background on season 11 - according to several newspaper articles I've researched, season 10 was a total disaster. Jack Lord was actively fighting with CBS over the control of the show. During this time, four executive producers came and went. The season's quality suffered significantly - shows were softer than usual, and Jack Lord seemed to "phone it in" for some episodes, sitting in his office while the team did the investigating (although he did go undercover in "Short Walk on the Longshore"). After some serious battles, Lord and CBS came to an agreement that his new production company "Lord and Lady Productions" would have a more active role in the show moving forward. Lord is quoted in March 1978 as saying he reached an agreement with CBS and he was looking forward to doing things differently in season 11.

So there was a renewed vigor for season 11. Year of the Horse was filmed first in Singapore, and they deliberately set out to film more contemporary episodes such as Number One with a Bullet and The Execution File. Criminals were tougher (such as bringing in Tony Aleika for several episodes) and the season had a harder edge. The Skyline Killer for example could have been from season 6. Jack Lord played an active role in every episode, going with the team to every investigation and being very hands-on.

At the time it was stated in the press that this would be the last season, maybe that is why they put so much effort into making it good. The show was renewed for a twelfth season by CBS which surprised some. James MacArthur is famously quoted as saying his agent called him on vacation with the news and he turned it down. Lord said they had to re-write scripts because of that, which may explain why the episodes introducing Kimo and Lori were not shot until the middle. Also may explain why only one season 12 episode has all four staff members on the show at the same time, as they were originally written with the smaller team and/or Danno - maybe Sharon Farrell's book will explain that.

Jack Lord is quoted in many newspapers from around August 1979 saying season 12 would definitely be it. Great words for William Smith and Sharon Farrell to hear, coming in brand new. Maybe that led to William Smith saying he and Sharon would take over if Jack scaled it back or left.

Season 12 started out very strong - the first two episodes introducing Kimo and Lori were very good in my opinion. But then everything went downhill for some reason. Can't wait to see them in a few weeks...

Added: Thursday 29 December 2011 07:47:42 MST


Submitted by: Maxine
From: Brooklyn

Yes, "A Bird in Hand" is an episode in which I don't even understand the basic premise. Del Vecchi is concerned that his image may show up in the background of some birdwatchers' photos (?) And somebody in law enforcement will recognize him from that (??) And so the way to deflect suspicion is to murder the people who took the pictures (???)

Also, if he's so concerned about being discovered, why is he lounging around out in the open when the bus comes by and after it stops?

Added: Wednesday 28 December 2011 23:27:34 MST


Submitted by: Bill K.
From: Detroit area

Venturing away from the ex-spy episodes of season 11, I watched The Sleeper. For some reason, I liked it better than Mr. Mike's one-star review, though I can't counter anything he says. One factual note: Steve Kanaly wasn't "later" of Dallas. Dallas debuted April 2, 1978. It had a short season in the spring of '78 (five episodes, really more of a tryout to become a regular series).

I'm also wondering how out-of-order the season 11 episodes were broadcast relative to their production order. In the end credits, the "Production Executive Earl Wroten" pops up, then disappears, only to reappear again. When Wroten's around, long-time set decorator Buck Henshaw gets a small credit near the very end. When Wroten's away, Henshaw gets a bigger credit. The season ending Year of the Horse has a 1978 copyright date while The Skyline Killer has 1979.

Added: Wednesday 28 December 2011 15:23:39 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

A turd in hand (re-view coming soon)...

In A Bird in Hand..., the bad guys are trying to smuggle gold bullion out of Hawaii by forming it into pineapple-like rings and putting it in cans with pineapple. McGarrett estimates that each one of these rings weighs 2 ounces. Is this accurate? At the rate of 6 ounces of gold in each can, if the total amount of gold was worth $100 million, that would require about 27,777 cans at the rate of approximately $600 an ounce around the time the show was broadcast. That is a lot of cans.

I guess the boss of this outfit, the hyper-paranoid "con artist of the century," Anthony del Vecchi, who bilked investors out of this money, was sort of the Bernie Madoff of his time.

Oh yeah, this show is still worthy of its super stinker status.

Think about it. If del Vecchi wants to murder people who merely took pictures of the outside of his operation, why does he just pay off the people who were actually helping him can the pineapple? This is totally illogical, they should have been killed too!

This show features "electronic photo enhancement" techniques which blow up one of the photos revealing del Vecchi with crystalline clarity. I actually laughed out loud when I saw this close-up photo.

Added: Wednesday 28 December 2011 13:32:59 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Nutzy Nazis in Hawaii (again) - A Clash of Shadows re-viewed (and still worthy of one star): http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/5-0log12.htm#275

Added: Wednesday 28 December 2011 12:50:10 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"but I actually liked "Deadly Courier""

Yep! You're not the only one! It's one of the top episodes of the 11th season. Quite suspenseful with the whole brainwashing thing! Never understood the hate for it. Compared to coma-inducing stuff like "Horoscope for Murder" and "The Miracle Man" this episode is a firecracker - like "Cocoon" or something!

Added: Wednesday 28 December 2011 12:28:22 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Re: "I didn't expect you to do an imitation of Linda Blair in the Exorcist..." - - - Aw, shucks! You recognized me. LOL

Added: Wednesday 28 December 2011 12:02:15 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Sheesh, H50 Forever, I thought somewhere you had expressed the opinion that the twelfth season really wasn't so bad, especially as bad as that cranky ol' Mr. Mike said in his reviews (I know you didn't specifically say THAT...) ... but I didn't expect you to do an imitation of Linda Blair in the Exorcist (LOL) over The Moroville Covenant.

Since that was the first episode I decided to re-view, I thought I would bend over backwards to be kind, to try and say something positive about each show ... that was, until I got to the end of this turkey. Things went further downhill after this when I watched Clash of Shadows and A Bird in Hand..., by the way.

The last time I viewed Moroville was from a VERY bad TV dub. The quality of the three shows I watched yesterday, including Moroville, was really outstanding, which made a huge difference. The color photography was excellent, and some of Sharon Farrell's costumes were well chosen.

What impressed me about this show was the fact that both Farrell and William Smith's characters were actually working hard on the investigation into Senator-to-be David Lawrence's "shady" past, and the two actors were both relatively enthusiastic (but, as I mention, this was the second episode filmed, which is probably why). As well, Helen Funai plays Lawrence's wife Margot, an interesting bit of casting (a "mixed marriage"), though Funai played a similar role in the tenth season show Invitation to Murder (a good topic, which other shows have mixed marriages?).

But there are a LOT of issues about the show, aside from your personal dislike of Paul Burke.

Just a sample:

● Lori is seen waiting by the car for McGarrett and Lawrence after the two men's conversation in Lawrence's office. Why was she with McGarrett in the first place? Is she attending to other Five-O business, or did she just go shopping or something? Has she been just standing by the car for some time?
● Jack Smith, the husband of Evie, Lawrence's old girl friend, comes to Hawaii to blackmail Lawrence. Smith tells Lawrence that the information he has, about the coverup over the accident involving Lawrence's aunt, will be of great interest to his rivals in the Senate race, but Lawrence tells Smith to get lost. Smith then appears at Lawrence's riding range (shades of "Though the Heavens Fall," where the idle rich hang out at an archery range). Why is he there? To kill Lawrence or something? As Five-O figures out later, Smith's car was discovered at the hotel/motel where he was staying, not at the range, the implication being that someone else drove him to the range. But it was Evie who had come to Hawaii, then tracked down her husband and somehow doped him up (how?) and was supposedly the person who drove Smith to the range, unless Smith just took a taxi. How did Evie get chloral hydrate into Smith's system, which supposedly (again) caused him to lose control of the horse, which was also doped up with amphetamines? Did she inject him with a needle or slip this drug into a drink for him or what?

The questions are endless!

I think we are going to have fun discussing season twelve! Maybe I should have a section after each twelth season show re-view where I compare it to earlier shows with the same idea which were better written and/or just worked better, period. In this case, the "Senator with an indiscretion" show would be The Silk Trap from season ten (not exactly a "classic" season...).

Added: Wednesday 28 December 2011 07:40:59 MST


Submitted by: Steven
From: Miami

I received Season 11 for Christmas and maybe it's my unnatural love for latter-season McGarrett, but I actually liked "Deadly Courier", despite the fact McGarrett was dressed like Chairman Mao with that grey Leisure Suit. The entire proceedings was more like a 1974-75 episode than something from the mostly putrid 1978-1980 period of dramatic TV.

I'm looking forward to S12, even if I've already seen them (thanks again, Mr. Mike) and it'll be nice when the rest of you are finally able to contribute to the discussion.

Added: Wednesday 28 December 2011 07:02:16 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

You're adding a half-star to "Moroville"??? On what basis? That has to have been the worst episode in the entire series! Send it to "Cold Case Files." Maybe they can do something with it.

Not that I ever did like Paul Burke. He always seemed too much like the character he portrayed in "Valley of the Dolls," Lyon Burke. Insufferable ego-maniac.

Added: Wednesday 28 December 2011 04:54:13 MST


Submitted by: Dan A
From: South Brunswick, NJ

Mr. Mike you should write description of a Magnum P.I. Hawaii Five-O crossover episode for Season 13

Added: Wednesday 28 December 2011 00:30:25 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The Moroville Covenant - re-viewed. The rating went up half a point (to one star, though):

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/5-0log12.htm#277

Added: Tuesday 27 December 2011 14:57:44 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

There are two brief special features, which are referred to on the main menu. I have uploaded the special features menu as well as the front and back covers.

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/pix/season12

The special features are 1) a promo trailer for the show, which is only 30 seconds long and kind of faded in quality and 2) a 2:50 promotional music video called "Crime Wave" which features scenes from the entire series to a hip-hop music background. I've uploaded an excerpt from this video (link below) plus a screen shot which identifies the artists, who I've never heard of (link above). The surfing video boxes don't appear all the way through the video.

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/season12/crimewave

Added: Tuesday 27 December 2011 09:53:42 MST


Submitted by: Steve D
From: Fairfax VA

Mike, are there any bonus features on the season 12 DVD (didn't see on the menus)? If so, how are they?

Added: Tuesday 27 December 2011 08:59:40 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Just uncovered, a new 13th season episode: "V" for Fashion: The Mother. See the bottom of this page:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/5-0log13.htm

Added: Tuesday 27 December 2011 04:47:03 MST


Submitted by: Otto
From: NYC

Hope y'all made it through the first part of our holiday hell. A couple weeks back, my mother called and said, "So you want the usual?" I replied, "Yes, please, we're on Season 7."

It's been a christmas tradition now since she bought S1 for me. I figure it's an easy out for her, considering all the grandkids and others. Gawd, here i am damn near fifty and my mom is buying me Hawaii Five-O!!! Could be worse. (I know i'm way behind, but i'd rather take it slow.)

Added: Tuesday 27 December 2011 00:32:16 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Sneak preview of Season 12 disc menus:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/pix/season12/

Added: Monday 26 December 2011 17:43:13 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Bwahaha!! Look what I have (on sale locally)...

Added: Monday 26 December 2011 15:50:03 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Good review, Bill. I agree, YOTH would have been better if McGarrett and Lazenby's character had been allowed to interact, especially to spar.

Added: Monday 26 December 2011 15:19:21 MST


Submitted by: Bill K.
From: Detroit area

HMSS review of the "ex-spy" episodes of season 11 (Ross Martin, Robert Vaughn and George Lazenby):

http://bit.ly/sGey8e

Added: Monday 26 December 2011 10:36:46 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

Oops...typed it incorrectly. Mele Kalikimaka.

Added: Sunday 25 December 2011 19:38:19 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

Mele Malikimaka! Haven't posted for a long time but I'm still around. Just wanted to wish everyone a very happy holiday season. I got the best Christmas present. My grandson just left Afghanistan and is headed back to Germany. Only thing that could have been better is if he were headed back to the States. But I'll take what I can get. Anyway, thanks, Mr. Mike, for keeping this group together. I wish my Ohana a blessed and peaceful New Year.

Added: Sunday 25 December 2011 15:44:06 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Steven,

Thank you for reminding me. We'll have to do that. LOL

Merry Christmas to you, too.

Added: Sunday 25 December 2011 15:26:44 MST


Submitted by: Steven
From: Miami

H50 1.0:

Make sure you and your Christmas guest have the "correct" latter-season McGarrett-style breakfast: "Mushroom omelet sprinkled with a little Parmesan cheese," and "some whole-wheat bread, toasted, with seedless black raspberry jam--seedless."

Merry Christmas!

Added: Sunday 25 December 2011 09:38:30 MST


Submitted by: AJ
From: NY

Mele Kalikimaka & Hau'oli Makahiki Hou!
:!party:

Added: Thursday 22 December 2011 20:40:41 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

Merry Christmas Mike and everyone here!

Added: Thursday 22 December 2011 15:44:22 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

I like that car chase, too, Elaine. The part where the viewer is allowed to ride in the Mercury touches me (Sorry, Michael Timothy, but some of us just can't get all the way to Illinois when you bring out our favorite wheels).

I'm having a guest in to spend Christmas, someone I met here, on Mike's site. She's been a wonderful friend over the past few years and has bent over backwards to help me with MofH50 and RJL. So, when the prospect of spending Christmas alone seemed bleak, I wrote her and said, "I don't suppose you would consider coming over here for Christmas, would you?" And she said, "Yes." So, tomorrow, C and I will drive down to Houston to meet her flight (She's coming in from Germany). Everyone give a loud and heartfelt "mele kalikimaka" to Steve's Girl.

Added: Thursday 22 December 2011 15:09:55 MST


Submitted by: Elaine
From: Watertown, MA

We have a new channel here in Boston, METv; it comes over the air waves as 62-1 and they are showing Hawaii Five-O at 12 noon EST, Monday through Friday. I have been watching and even with the commercial breaks, I have been enjoying seeing episodes. Yesterday they showed Hookman, undoubtedly one of the best episodes ever aired. What a car chase! When I was younger (much younger) I wanted a dark green Mustang like the one Steve McQueen drove in Bullet. Well, watching the car chase scenes, I had to admire the driving skill of the person behind the wheel of that Mustang as it went fishtailing all over the place. I had a 65 Mustang (white- named Buck) and it used to fish-tail around corners until I got smart enough to put some sandbags in the trunk to keep the back wheels on the ground (and yes, children, this was before the days of spoilers! That chase scene was perhaps one of the best ever filmed for a television series. Can anyone comment on that? McGarrett had the horses with his Merc but he couldn't catch Stoner...he was so MAD when the truck backed up and cut him off. He certainly must have hurt his hand when he hit his fist on the roof of his car in frustration. Yeah, and boy, JL could kick in a door like no one else! I really loved that character!

It's approaching the witching hour, so I will take this opportunity to wish everyone, but most especially, my fellow Hawaii Five-O devotees, a very Merry Christmas and a Happy and Healthful 2012. Let's hope that Season 12 is a belated present under all our trees!

Mele Kalikimaka to one and all!

Added: Thursday 22 December 2011 09:52:12 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

checked Best Buy to see if there was early release of season 12 but nope. no sign of THE ROOKIES season 1 dvd either. someone sent me the youtube clip of the theme song and man ! that was awesome! havent heard that theme in ages! this is my # 2 favorite theme tune ever. #1 is not 5-0's theme

it's SPENSER FOR HIRE'S jazzy season 2 and 3 openers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS1yh6uCo5c

smooooooooth jazz!

Added: Tuesday 20 December 2011 14:42:51 MST


Submitted by: Big H
From: nc

"If you were Lenkov, how would you have handled this flap originally or how would you handle it now in light of what has happened?"

I would gather the show's 4 main hitters and Lenkov at the Punchbowl and tape an apology from all 5 to the vets that were there on 12/09 and state the following episode is dedicated to all surviving vets of WWII and also to the memory of the ones that fell that infamous day on Dec 7th......and of course air the apology just prior to the next first-run ep.

Added: Tuesday 20 December 2011 11:33:15 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

BIG SPOILERS FOR EPISODE 14!!

From alexoloughlinrocks.com site:

Hawaii Five-0 Press Release: 2.14 "Pu’olo”

From a CBS press release. Any errors are attributed to the original author(s).

AS FIVE-0 INVESTIGATES A SMUGGLING CASE, CHIN HO TELLS MCGARRETT SHOCKING NEWS ABOUT JOE WHITE THAT CAUSES A FACE OFF BETWEEN THE TWO, ON "HAWAII FIVE-0,” MONDAY, JAN. 16

"Pu’olo*” – McGarrett is rocked to his core when Chin Ho tells him some shocking news about Joe White. Meanwhile, Danny plays mid-wife for his ex-wife when she goes into early labor, on HAWAII FIVE-0, Monday, Jan. 16 (10:00-11:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.

*Pu’olo is Hawaiian for "The Package”

Added: Tuesday 20 December 2011 10:17:59 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Based on comments made, I went back and watched "Killer Bee." I had seen it once before but have skipped over it ever since. It is just too chilling for words, sort of in the same category as "Bored, She Hung Herself," I think.

Ted Frazer's mother was a real looney. Knowing about her, the doctors would be able to help Ted see that he was abused as a child and to work through his tendency to turn against himself. No doubt, he would come away from it all giving thanks that he turned against himself and not others, as George Loomis tried to make him think he was doing.

P.S. As I type "Season 12 is coming," I am caused to smile. Only 3 weeks to go! Mahalo nui loa to CBS / Paramount for giving us all 12 seasions of beautifully remastered episodes to enjoy for a lifetime.

Added: Tuesday 20 December 2011 08:29:24 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Mike,

Yeah, after they rescued McGarrett they had one final mission before they left North Korea, which was to find "Dear Leader" and tell him to give up his nuclear weapons and his program or else they would come back and kill him. After Kono beat up Kim Jong Ill's guards and security forces with her deadly martial arts moves, and Danno and Steve bitched and moaned at him forever, Joe White put a grenade in Kim's mouth, and told the "Dear Leader" that next time if he didn't do what they said, he would come back and put the grenade in his mouth and pull the pin. The scare from that meeting caused "Dear Leader" to take a massive heart attack and die two days ago. Score another victory for the new "Five-O"

I watched "Killer Bee" this morning. It's not one of my favorite shows, but it was good and I liked the little bits of humor thrown in by Danno. When he's in the car with Steve and they are trying to figure out the kidnapping plot and he says "but by whom, or is it who?"..and Jack Lord breaks up laughing. Also, at the end when he's laughing trying to explain the "bee theory" to Steve McG and giving him the old "it's tough for people to understand unlike me." It was funny because they didn't try hard to be funny, it just was. The new show tries so hard to be funny, and it just comes up lame for the most part.

Added: Monday 19 December 2011 11:22:19 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Kim Jong Il kicked the bucket two days ago. I think it was a delayed reaction to the recent episode which took place in North Korea.

Added: Monday 19 December 2011 09:27:51 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

New shows = January 2nd.

Asner's appearance = no idea.

Added: Sunday 18 December 2011 16:03:58 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

well, holiday hiatus now

when will new shows start and when will mr asner make his appearance mike?

Added: Sunday 18 December 2011 15:53:15 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

"Five-0 had class. This one has the shaky hand-held camera which just makes me dizzy."

I agree, KD, about the original having class and the shaky camera moves. I don't know why these directors and cameramen use that shaky camera effect. I've seen it on shows going back at least 15 years. Was some mass memo sent out to all the camera operators at some point, telling them to shake the camera in every scene?

It's fine for point of view shots, fight scenes, car chase scenes, and in scenes where the characters are in confined spaces and they want to pan in on one person from the other without doing more than one shot.

This was done in an episode of the original show I saw recently, "The Diamonds that Nobody Stole." Steve and Danno were in the stairway of the apartment building where the jewel thief lived. When Steve entered the doorway of the stairwell and was talking to Danno, they used the shaky camera effect, and it worked there. However, they didn't use it in every scene on every show. That would have been redundant and irritating.

Added: Saturday 17 December 2011 16:23:39 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I just had a brainstorm as to how this veterans' flap could be resolved. Of course, Lenkov should write a heartfelt apology to the vets, with words to the effect "We are sorry, we didn't handle this very well." Then he should go to the mainland to meet with some of the vets. When there, they should film a sequence with one or two of the vets really close-up so it doesn't show that they are not in Hawaii. Later, this should be incorporated into the show where McGarrett and Danno are chasing some suspect in downtown Honolulu where they are driving like morons, causing people to jump out of the way. They almost run down a couple of senior citizens (the two vets mentioned), who turn and give the Five-O duo the "one-fingered salute" (just like they did at the Punchbowl). I think this would be hilarious! I will send Lenkov the bill for my "creative solutioning." :!sun:

Added: Saturday 17 December 2011 07:50:07 MST


Submitted by: KD MCG
From: Five-Faux

Just watching last Monday's episode. Poor dialog,weak convoluted plot-some good moments, but intrigued about Shelburne. The problem is/was AOL isn't Jack and when he says his lines he lacks flair. Oh, and this show had three 'interrogation' scenes-are you kidding me???

Five-0 had class. This one has the shaky hand-held camera which just makes me dizzy :!thinking: :!thinking:

The Punchbowl apology made by Lenkov was very weak indeed.

Added: Friday 16 December 2011 22:36:18 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

That is funny, Rainbow. Reminds me of something that happened in 2000, when Pierre Trudeau, prime minister of Canada died (you will recall he is referred to in the episode To Kill or Be Killed, where Canada is called "Trudeau-turf"). I told this woman at my company about his passing (which was all over the news) and she was totally clueless. So me and this other guy started needling her:

Me: Rob, did you know that THE BEATLES BROKE UP?
Rob: Wow, Mike, is that true, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT!

Me (a few minutes later): Rob, have you heard that THE JAPANESE ATTACKED PEARL HARBOR?
Rob: No way, Mike, you must be kidding, where did you hear that news?

Me (again): Rob, there is some big news. LINDBERGH FLEW NON-STOP ACROSS THE ATLANTIC!
Rob: That is amazing, Mike! I can't wait to tell my friends!

Every time we did another routine like this, the woman's face got redder and redder, until it looked like she wanted to sink into a hole in the floor.

Added: Friday 16 December 2011 16:10:55 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Here is how I would have handled the situation if I were Mr. Lenkov.

Lenkov: Hello, Mr. Tubbs. What seems to be the problem?

Tubbs: Don't you hello me. What's up with the dissing of our veterans?

Lenkov: Sir, whatever do you mean?

Tubbs: You heard me. The whole mess at Punchbowl.

Lenkov: Excuse me? What is this Punchbowl that you speak of?

Tubbs: C'mon, dummy! Where the veterans are buried.

Lenkov: Pardon? What veterans?

Tubbs: The veterans who died during the Pearl Harbor attack dammit!!

Lenkov: What??!! There was an attack on Pearl Harbor? When?

Tubbs: Are you screwing with me??!

Lenkov: Wait... who are you? Who am I? Where is the mothership?

There you go, folks. Plausible deniability. :)

Added: Friday 16 December 2011 15:43:17 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

In all fairness, Steve did have a backstory in the original show, it was just his professional background that was given and no personal issues from his past coming to haunt him. Danno had an attitude, which he showed to the criminals when he had to.

I think if they want to make a new Five-O, create new characters, with some connections to the old ones. Maybe this can be my next fan fiction project.

Added: Friday 16 December 2011 14:14:30 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

To resolve this mess, Lenkov should just send each one of the vets who were at the ceremony a personal written apology. This is what the spokesman from the Greatest Generations Foundation is asking for at the moment. This is kind of school-marmish, but it would pretty well resolve this thing, especially if accompanied by some appropriate publicity. If the GG people still keep bitchin' after this point, that would be unreasonable to me. Hopefully Lenkov will not offer them some Five-0 hats. :!thinking:

Added: Friday 16 December 2011 11:32:51 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Sorry, Rainbow, but I'm not available to write the Five-0 3.0 remake with you and the others. I'm too busy watching the REAL Five-0 remake : NCIS 1.0. Now, that's how Five-0 would be if it were made today. McGarrett would have a back story, Danno would have an attitude of one variety or another, Kona would (yes) be female with a world-class one-two punch, and Chin Ho would be laid back with 15 computers gathered around him and a degree from MIT to back him up. McGarrett might be driven to head-slap (or not), but no one, not even Kona II, would be able to out-drive him. As I said back when 2.0 was only a gleam in a few writers' eyes, if you want a good show, hire Donald Belisario to spearhead the project. He ain't missed, yet!

Added: Friday 16 December 2011 10:21:54 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

This commentator has a good "let's take a deep breath" view of both sides:

http://www.authorcdavis.com/2011/12/15/hating-on-tv-folks-doesnt-make-veterans-or-the-u-s-proud/

However, I would question any suggestion that the administrative people at the Punchbowl who booked the two groups simultaneously are at fault.

I think that despite all the blather about how the TV crew has to get things done with a stick of dynamite up their asses, how they have to be on budget, etc., etc. someone could have just used a few brain cells when arranging for this filming date.

After all, December 9 (the day the confrontation took place) was TWO DAYS AFTER THE 70TH ANNIVERSARY OF PEARL HARBOR.

HELLO! Didn't it occur to anyone that this might be kind of a "touchy" time to be filming at this location?

Added: Friday 16 December 2011 09:33:38 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"Gentleman, I can think of one man.

[Cut to Scene of Mr. Mike emerging from a mini sub]"

:D DAYUM!! That's classic!!

Added: Friday 16 December 2011 09:23:46 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

I'm going to change the subject momentarily, and talk about something else, because I come from a military family where my dad was in the army, and almost gave his life for his country before I was born, and my brother was an expert in military history, so I would prefer not to discuss this issue because it would make my blood boil and I would get all emotional, so I'll let others, deal with it. As I said having been in the entertainment/television business for a long time this doesn't surprise me, as people in the industry today tend to be clueless and brain dead. What they should do is have Grace Park and Daniel Dae Kim tape a announcement apologizing to everyone about what occurred and saying that it was unacceptable, and send it out to veterans groups all over the country, and air it at the beginning or end of one of the new Five-O's. I say those two because everybdy seems to like those two, trusts them, would believe they are sincere, and because they wouldn't have done anything like that, it would help to show that some people on the show "get it." Personally, I would fire everybody on the show, blow it up, start over and hire H50 Forever, Vrinda, Mr. Mike and Big Chicken to create and write a new show from scratch. But I digress....

Big Chicken and Elaine: Yes, I would like to add "Cry,Lie" and "Most Likely to Murder" to the list of Season 2 great episodes. They are two of my favorites and I just watched "Most Likely to Murder" two days ago, and it has always been one of my favorites and I feel a Five-O masterpiece. I love Chin-Ho smoking the pipe for the first time in Steve's office. The first look inside and out of Danny's apartment with the great bar, model ship and dark brown decor on the inside. Chicken, I could have totally seen you and I living there in the 1970's as we led our swinging single lives with the beautiful Hawaiian ladies! Any episode where Danny was the featured character of the Five-O foursome was always my favorite, and I loved the tenseness of this epsiode and the shock of realizing that Lew Morgan had killed his wife all along. When McGarrett rushes in and finds that Lew has killed his main suspect for the murder of Mrs. Morgan and he has to restrain himself from punching Lew that was so intense. The last seven episodes of season two are Five-O at it's best! ;)

Added: Friday 16 December 2011 09:04:05 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

"All this was carried on through an e-mail exchange, which ended up on the Internet verbatim, rather than having Lenkov (or, preferably, some CBS spokesman or hired damage-control gun) contact the guy on the phone or in person."

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Lenkov. However I think he would have received more criticism had he left the response to CBS and not responded personally. I do agree that a phone call would have been wiser than email.

Added: Friday 16 December 2011 08:44:25 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Rick, Lenkov totally put his foot in his mouth. His response reminds me of the classic advice to lawyers: "Don't ask a witness a question if you don't know what the response will be."

Rather than just say "I will look into this" and/or "I'm sorry," both of which he originally said, he started to get into other issues like "80% of our crew have ties to the military."

As the veterans' spokesman commented, "WTF does that have to do with anything?" (I am paraphrasing these comments.)

Then he started to argue with the spokesman, disputing his version of what happened.

All this was carried on through an e-mail exchange, which ended up on the Internet verbatim, rather than having Lenkov (or, preferably, some CBS spokesman or hired damage-control gun) contact the guy on the phone or in person.

Here is a "writing challenge": If you were Lenkov, how would you have handled this flap originally or how would you handle it now in light of what has happened?

Added: Friday 16 December 2011 08:00:16 MST


Submitted by: Sam
From: How sad !

Reading what happened with the Veterans and seeing those pics with the actors, the crew and their lame Hollywood equipment in top of the graves, made my blood boil.

Very disrespectful and offensive behaviour Hawaii50.
Nothing like this ever happened with Jack Lord and the Original show. They had something called class and respect.
CBS can keep the crappy remake.I won't watch it anymore.

Added: Friday 16 December 2011 05:20:30 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Your posting wasn't deleted, it got screwed up, maybe because I moved some item that was out of sequence into the same area. It is there now.

Added: Thursday 15 December 2011 20:52:23 MST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Niney-2nd Waar

Ringfire sez: " It's bad enough that the new Five-Faux sucks but they have the audacity to push veterans around. What do they think they're filming? SCHINDLER'S LIST or SAVING PRIVATE RYAN? It's just another lousy episode to a lousy show that I won't tune into anyway. Get over yourselves! Your show sucks!”

Well said, RingFire, my man. well said. To quote Vincent Vega - ‘That’s a Bold Statement.’

Thanx for the accolades bout "Deep Fried Chicken,” but I was jus riffin on Mr Mike’s and Hermano’s ideas. Mr. Mike, guess ‘Chokin Chicken’ destined to be a Not ready 4 Prime Time Playa, only featured on the unrated DVD.:D

I recently watched Rob Rodriques’s "Machete” and you could sense the love he has as a filmmaker for the low budget, B-movie, grindhouse 70s flick that Machete is a homage too. Chicken think that’s the problem with the reboot, its just a commercial endeavor for CBS to cash in and these rebootin producers are jus hired guns with no real love for the Five-O.

To make a legit remake, you’d have to hire a real Five-O-ian at the helm. How many people do we know with that much time, that much money, patience, and the technical skill to rig and handle it?

Gentleman, I can think of one man.

[Cut to Scene of Mr. Mike emerging from a mini sub]

Added: Thursday 15 December 2011 20:40:40 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

"How to put your foot in your mouth. Didn't Lenkov think that this might end up on the Internet?"

While Lenkov's email may come across as somewhat curt. I don't see where he put his foot in his mouth.

Why did my post with the link to Hackbart's original web complaint disappear from this forum?

Added: Thursday 15 December 2011 20:35:32 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

How to put your foot in your mouth. Didn't Lenkov think that this might end up on the Internet?

E-mail from Lenkov to Steffan Tubbs, board member of The Greatest Generations Foundation, who was accompanying the vets to Hawaii:

After my email to you, I spoke to approx 30 folks who were there, including reps from Punchbowl. All say the same thing: they paid respect during the anthem, then called lunch to give the vets the privacy and respect they deserve. Now I know it might be fun to trash a TV show, but I can't understand why you would make these claims. Everyone knows how much we respect our military. We couldn't do our show without them. And since 80% of our crew is made up of locals with deep ties to the military, I can't imagine any one of them doing the things you said in your blog.

Also know, we were not told there was a ceremony until we arrived at Punchbowl. If you know anything about production, you would agree that we had to proceed. And we did, with great respect. Albeit you did not see it that way.

Unfortunately the damage is done. Your blog has spread quickly amongst our fan base. I have a meeting with CBS tomorrow to discuss further.

Wish you would have contacted us first so we could discuss your claims before trashing us so aggressively in a blog.

Peter M. Lenkov
Executive Producer
Hawaii Five-0

Added: Thursday 15 December 2011 20:16:26 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

I can hear the words, "character death" rining loud and clear! v

Added: Thursday 15 December 2011 18:25:35 MST


Submitted by: Dave
From: Ontario Canada

So Chin is married watch the show kill her off before these season is done or at the start of the third season. It will make a great story for Chin.

Added: Thursday 15 December 2011 17:24:55 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Veterans' spokesman won't accept Lenkov's apology: http://bit.ly/s0ayy6

Added: Thursday 15 December 2011 16:21:47 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

We can start with the pilot episode, "Cocoon." Agent Hennessey was buried at Punchbowl. Following the funeral, McGarrett met with Agent Miller at the opposite end of the main allee, overlooking Diamond Head.

My husband and I always pay our respects at the USS Arizona Memorial and Punchbowl when we are in Honolulu. It seems almost sacrilegious not to. Both are incredible places. For all the hustle and bustle, chatter, and laughter that take place in Waikiki, the Memorial and Punchbowl are quiet and somber. It doesn't matter from which nation the visitor comes, he or she is always quite prayerful. I've seen Japanese crying on the Memorial.

Added: Thursday 15 December 2011 14:48:22 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Speaking of the Punchbowl Cemetery, what episodes of the old show had scenes which were set there?

Added: Thursday 15 December 2011 14:11:09 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Speaking of this dissing-the-veterans flap, I was surprised to see that it was spread across half a page in the local (Vancouver) throwaway newspaper Metro today (the Associated Press story):

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/pix/metropaper.jpg

Here is another commentary, from the Internet. These people are REALLY pissed:

http://bit.ly/tlcMrV

This story links to another, which has an exchange between Lenkov and one of the people who was with the veterans which is quite interesting. Didn't Lenkov realize that this might end up "on the Internet"?

http://www.850koa.com/pages/cmn.html?article=9501489

Added: Thursday 15 December 2011 14:08:44 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"the rebooted (or should we say refried) character "Deep Fried Chicken" to the new show."

Faaar out, Chick!!! You flip me, bay-beee!! :D

As for the faux Lenkov apology someone needs to sick Jack Bauer on these jokers!! It's bad enough that the new Five-Faux sucks but they have the audacity to push veterans around. What do they think they're filming? SCHINDLER'S LIST or SAVING PRIVATE RYAN? It's just another lousy episode to a lousy show that I won't tune into anyway. Get over yourselves! Your show sucks!

Added: Thursday 15 December 2011 11:22:16 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

I'm disappointed that communication re: the Punchbowl incident is going through the veep of communications and not the veep of programming. Does Communications ever offer more than platitudes? I don't think so. This isn't a smooth-it-over situation. It is a do-something-about-it situation.

As has been said in printed reports, the veterans involved were in Hawai'i and at Punchbowl for probably the last time in their lives (or maybe even the first time since WWII). What happened did not leave a good taste in their mouths, not even with their one-finger salutes to temper it.

Mr. Lenkov, et al, need to teach their brood how to behave in polite society.

Added: Thursday 15 December 2011 00:51:49 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Here is the response to Lenkov's apology, taken from IMDB:

Lauri Metrose.
Senior VP communications, CBS Television Studios
lauri.metrose@cbs.com

Lauri.

We are extremely disappointed and saddened by the events that occurred on December 09, 2011 at the National Cemetery and Memorial of the Pacific in Hawaii. CBS and Hawaii 5-0 have not only disrespected our World War II veterans. It disappoints all involved that a network and television show so dedicated to our military have not only degraded the graves of fallen soldiers by walking on them, but also insulted those who fought in defense of liberty. One Pearl Harbor Survivor, who wanted to visit graves near the production site but was refused access, said "You can’t move buddies that are buried there.”

For nearly a decade, the Greatest Generations Foundation a public 501c3 Charity has been tirelessly working to ensure that the legacies of the men and women who served in our Armed Forces are respected and never forgotten. The National Cemetery and Memorial of the Pacific is a national shrine for many of those who fought and served in the Pacific; production equipment should not be placed on gravesites knowing that someone who fought for our freedom is underneath that equipment.

On behalf of the veterans, and the Greatest Generations Foundation we request both CBS and Hawaii 5-0 to issue a formal written apology to each War veteran for their lack of respect to our nation’s heroes. The Greatest Generations Foundation is happy to provide the names of each veteran, and branch of service that will assist you in providing a written, personalized apology.

While we appreciate the producer comments, they certainly were not heartfelt.

Yours sincerely,

Timothy Davis
The Greatest Generations Foundation
Remember Those Who Served

Added: Wednesday 14 December 2011 20:34:53 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

In addition to Deep Fried Chicken and Spring Chicken, Hermano of the writing team C/H/Q® suggested another character: Chokin' D. Chicken, who spanked his you-know-what so much in prison that he fractured his wrist and got whiplash. Probably not suitable for CBS's audience! :D

Added: Wednesday 14 December 2011 20:24:20 MST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Seattle

The Rainbow Warrior say "The coarsening culture in the West needs to stop, we need to start showing respect for everybody that we meet, and treating each other with care. As many of you know, I'm a believer in US "Exceptionlism", but I do believe that if you are to be a leader that you have to treat everyone with the dignity, respect, care, and love that they deserve as human beings."

Thanks for the heavy words, my friend. Truly stated in a McGarrettesque manner.

I'd add "Cry Lie" and "Most Likely To Murder" to your list of Season 2 heavyweights. N don't fo'get "Run, Johnny, Run," a great example of crusadin McGarrett at his best.

Sad to hear about this Punchbowl incident. I've avoided Pear Harbor on my jaunts to Oahu cause I thought being in an R&R, sand n surf state of mind, I wasn't up to visiting such a hallowed place. I did make it to the Punchbowl Cemetery this last time and found it a pretty heavy experience. Sort of like what you said, Mike, no matter what your feelings on war in general, or the specific wars, I was moved by the awareness of the Medal of Honor winners and veterans buried there, and by their individual heroism and sacrifice.

To end on a lighter note. Mr. Mike, sorry to be late to the dance, but I owe you a shout out for your proposal of addin the rebooted (or should we say refried) character "Deep Fried Chicken" to the new show. That gotta be a candidate for the Discussion Forum hall O' Fame. Truly a side-splitter, man. :D

Added: Wednesday 14 December 2011 20:12:43 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Well said, Michael! Bravo!

Added: Wednesday 14 December 2011 13:03:24 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

If you read Lenkov's apology, it looks like the guy should have just said "We're sorry," and then shut up. This is a classic response with "too much information," which has already drawn further criticism that the apology is not "heartfelt" -- like when he says words to the effect that "the only reason we were rude [in other words, he admits they were rude] was because we were trying to finish our work." Reminds me of when a Canadian baby crib manufacturer was criticized because some of its products were being associated with injury and/or death for kids, and the press release for the company apologized for its shortcomings, but then continued on saying that most of the problem cribs (where the kids had been injured or died) were due to negligence on the part of the parents who were using cribs that were damaged or modified or they just weren't properly supervising their kids! Talk about bad P.R.!

One thing you do not is mess around with veterans. Although I find many missions that veterans are sent on to be repugant (i.e., Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.), the soldiers are just doing their job as ordered by the military and government, and they deserve full respect and treatment when they return, as a result. The same could be said of "old folks," a category which includes many veterans!

Added: Wednesday 14 December 2011 12:27:01 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"Gentlemen, if you so choose, how about we give them one big one-fingered military salute?"

:D That's priceless!! Love it!!

Added: Wednesday 14 December 2011 11:27:07 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

WW II Pearl Harbor vets flipped the bird to Hawaii Five-0 production crew! (from UK Daily Mail) http://bit.ly/sMu4yA

BTW, did I read in one of these news reports that after the vets spoke to the production crew, someone offered them some hats (like the kind "old guys" wear), presumably with Five-0 logos on them? :!nerd:

Added: Wednesday 14 December 2011 10:12:41 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Hawaii Five-O producer Peter Lenkov apologies for crew's "disrespect" to WW II veterans at Punchbowl. http://fxn.ws/sE2qRY

Added: Wednesday 14 December 2011 10:07:37 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Steve, those one and two-star episodes are rated that why because of Mike's opinion of them. There are people who like those epiodes and think they were good.

Much of the negative reaction the new show in general has gotten recently stemmed from Lauren German's character, and the plot hole ridden storylines, which are far-more mesed up than the lesser quality episodes of the old show.

If people didn't like what they saw back then, all they had to do was stop watching, or write to CBS and complain.

When the original was in it's second season, there were only three or four episodes total from the series' run to-date that many people didn't like. Compare that to the several episodes from the first and second season of this show. So far, I've seen complaints about half the episodes that have aired this season.

Added: Wednesday 14 December 2011 09:29:10 MST


Submitted by: John Hall
From: Montreal Canada

Ive been watching in order the original series and am now in the beginning of season 6. Unlike the later seasons there are not too many duds but as the previous post says there are some dumb ones even in the "prime" seasons.

On the old show I think a lot of the duds were due to final editing, I have two uncles who were in the film business (one an actor, Micheal Sarrazin and the other a producer) and I remember them saying that in the days before digital filming a common problem was that they only found out about bad shots (lighting, focus, glare etc) well after filming was complete. This would be especially a problem for a location program like H5O.

The challenge in editing was how to salvage a story when critical scenes could not be used due to poor quality. Modern shows with digital filming have a huge advantage of seeing instantly what was filmed, allowing reshooting on the spot.

In fairness to the new show my biggest beefs also apply to any newish drama-action series; hyperactive fast talking pace that demands (of me anyway) stressful concentration to hope to even half keep up, incessant commercials and too many ongoing "sub-stories" that leave too little time for the actual story of the week.

The old show, like many of its contemporaries had a nice relaxing almost sultry pace to it that made the exciting moments or the climax that much more powerful by the change from slow to fast.

Just my 2cents

Added: Wednesday 14 December 2011 09:26:04 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Elaine:

"Singapore File" is truly a great episode. One of the most emotional that I have ever been at the end of a Five-O. It's a must see for anybody that has never seen it. You'll enjoy other season 2's like "All the King's Horses", "Leopard on a Rock" "Joker Wild" and my favorite "Blind Tiger" plus the last five episodes of season two are pretty exciting stuff!

Mike, IMHO, the recent coarsening of western culture started to decline in the 1990's, so the 1994 riot qualifies to my point. I can't speak about the 1960's riot as I don't know about them. I will say this. I have never been to Vancouver, but have been told personally that Vancouver is one of the most beautiful cities in the world, very liveable, and "very American." Hence, my point about American values creeping in there. If you look at other Canadian cities, Edmonton, Calgary( who like Vancouver both lost Game Seven Stanley Cup Finals in the past decade)and Ottawa who lost a Final in 2007 and throw Winnipeg in there as well, all of those cities didn't burn themselves down when they lost hockey championships, and maybe because they have stronger Canadian values in those areas(Just speculating)Montreal and Quebec City on the other hand are just plain nuts and would kill people over a hockey game.

Thank You H50 Forever. I appreciate it.

RB: I hope that you were talking to the CBS production crew in Hawaii and not any poster here. Every poster here has condemmed strongly what happened to the Pearl Harbor survivors, and BTW, I don't think those crew members read this guestbook all that much to see your comment. However, I do agree with what you said, brother!

Added: Wednesday 14 December 2011 08:59:55 MST


Submitted by: Steve D
From: Fairfax VA

Wow- there is a lot of negative reaction to the recent episode. On the old show there were a lot of "one and two star" crappy episodes too - I wonder if message boards and web sites had existed then if the show would have lasted as long or would be as favorably remembered?

Added: Wednesday 14 December 2011 07:26:42 MST


Submitted by: R B Wolfe
From: Norris TN

What small, insignificant, ungrateful people you are. If those veterans had not been there on Pearl Harbor Day, where would you and yours be today?

Added: Wednesday 14 December 2011 06:55:42 MST


Submitted by: John Hall
From: Montreal

To be the devils advocate I will point out the positive side of this episode;

First it was the first episode in a long time that I was able to follow without having to re-watch it! It had a (relatively anyhow) slower pace that made it easier to keep up.

Second was the scenery was exceptionally nice and volumous.

By the way, I also agree with all the complaints about the episode.

Added: Tuesday 13 December 2011 20:04:18 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

yeah i felt bad for the "beer mirror" that got shot :!cry:

another annoying thing: 5-0 guys say hey

hey

hey

hey

tooooooo much of hey

remember original chin ho said YO !

Added: Tuesday 13 December 2011 13:50:14 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Very good point from IMDB discussion:

How on earth does an IA head expect to work well with "regular" detectives who he's spent years investigating? Kono was supposedly never going to be fully accepted in the dept due to her family ties .. .wouldn't Fryer face even worse?

Added: Tuesday 13 December 2011 11:32:15 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

KHON News: CBS looking into recent "disrespectful" Hawaii Five-O production crew behavior towards veterans. http://bit.ly/teThgY

Note the announcer in the news clip, none other than Joe Moore, who appeared in several episodes of the old show.

Added: Tuesday 13 December 2011 11:15:12 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Bravo, Rainbow Warrior. Well said!

I didn't watch last night's episode, nor will I watch future episodes. The remake team has struck out, as far as I am concerned.

Added: Tuesday 13 December 2011 10:51:49 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Other views of veterans bitchin' about recently "disrespectful" Hawaii Five-O production crew at Punchbowl: http://imdb.to/vziRh6

Added: Tuesday 13 December 2011 10:36:50 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

My reaction to last night's show was pretty mild, compared to that of a friend, who sent me the following after it was over:

Horrible f***ing episode, one of their worst of either season. Very poor story construction, with a very lame/anti-climactic resolution to the so-called mystery involving a heretofore unseen character in a prison video somewhere. Lame. Very poor payoff to a lame mystery that was written to be clever just for the sake of being clever, no logic or coherence to it whatsoever.

The Joe White mystery is p***ing me off. He pulled the same s**t with McG a couple months back when he said he investigated something or another and McG found out he lied, and asked him about it, and he told him he didn't want to know or something. They have now basically replayed that whole scenario all over again, and why??? No other reason than to simply drag this out. The Joe White character is wildly inconsistent.

Chin Ho's wedding had no emotion behind it whatsoever, given the limited interaction we've seen him have with his bride (one episode, maybe 2 if I recall? [I think it was 4 -- once in hospital last season, once trying to help Kono when she was suspended, once when she was eating shrimp with Chin at Kamekona's, and previous ep where he gave her the "ring." -- MQ]) She's being served up as fodder for a future episode, but we care nothing for her.

The first 8 minutes of the series were pure horses**t. Kids that young wouldn't be spelunking like that, it was a convenient plot point for them to find the body. The Danno-Lori handcuff thing was just plain stupid and inconsistent with what we've seen previous weeks. Why would they be hanging out together, it made no sense.

This episode felt like it was written by an amateur who barely watched the other episodes. Very poor, one of the worst.

I'd give it a D-, or 1 star out of 4.

Ugh -- I damn near turned it off instead of suffering through to the finish!

Added: Tuesday 13 December 2011 10:02:09 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Yes, I know Fryer gave an explanation as to why he and other cops were suddenly busting into the room (as mentioned in my comments), but it passed by quickly like all the other rat-a-tat expository dialogue. Isn't this promotion something that McGarrett would know about? I would have thought that the job of boss of Internal Affairs was something you advanced to AFTER being a detective, not the other way around.

Added: Tuesday 13 December 2011 09:58:05 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Rainbow, I dunno if the recent hockey riot in Vancouver had anything to do with recent "trash culture." There was another riot in 1994 when the Canucks lost at the last minute (I was working downtown at the time quite close to this riot, and I was glad to get away from it ASAP) and there were similar riots, football-related, in the 1960s (see http://bit.ly/tQa5Fz) which, considering the times, sound just as bad as the recent fracas. There was some serious "trash culture" in last night's show, with Fryer being unbearably nasty to suspects. What are the producers of the new Five-O trying to do? We already had extreme examples of this kind of interrogation on "24," a show which executive producer Lenkov was associated with in its fourth season (and the season for me when the show really started to go into the you-know-what).

Added: Tuesday 13 December 2011 09:44:34 MST


Submitted by: Dan
From: South Brunswick, NJ

I think they explained in the episode Sizemore's character Fryer was promoted from IA to chief of Detectives.

Added: Tuesday 13 December 2011 09:28:06 MST


Submitted by: Elaine
From: Watertown, MA

Well, last night I saw for the fourth time the PBS special on 60's Rock, Pop and Soul and enjoyed it thoroughly. But I have to say that when the Ventures played Mort Stevens Hawaii Five-O theme song, a chill went up my spine. It was really great to see Jack on that balcony again, turn and look into the camera. Everyone in the audience applauded and cheered when they saw the real McGarrett! And there were pictures of Danny and Kono and Chin and Duke as well, and a last pic of McGarrett from the pilot running down the waterfront. Both my sister and I felt the love and elation. If Jack had lived, he would have been pleased, I think, to see that 31 years after the last episode aired, people still have a warm spot in their hearts for him and his McGarrett role.

I'm not a betting person, but I'm willing to bet the farm on this one....that 31 years down the road from here, no one, and I mean no one, will remember the imposter Hawaii Five-Zero with this kind of reverence!

Speaking of the imposter...I watched last night's episode and have to say it was pretty boring and stupid. A lava tube in a bunker? I don't think so.... And did they let the guy go who shot the man found in the bunker? He was supposedly a three-time loser, stole the guys' wallet and supposedly shot him in self-defence? But after he found the wallet in the dumpster...they let him go? I didn't see a pair of handcuffs anywhere? Did anyone else? And this thing with Joe White. I'm sorry but I think one good little white lie would have got McGarrett off his back. This is such crap. I don't find it suspenseful....I don't find it interesting....the scenery was pretty good in places, but the rest of this show is just plain awful.

Working my way through the second season of the original again. Watched the Singapore File last night. That was a fine episode indeed.

Added: Tuesday 13 December 2011 09:05:17 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Thanks everyone for your answers to my question. The list of shows with Pearl Harbor in them helped me to compile a good reference list for something I'm looking at, so I thank you all for your help.

As for the poor treatment of the Pearl Harbor survivors by the crew which has been talked about by many here, if true, which it seems to be, it doesn't surprise me. As someone who worked in the business a very long time, I can tell you that every walk of life has good and bad people in them, so I don't want to generalize and paint everyone with a broad brush in what I am about to say here, but this is my take. A large percentage of people in the entertainment or media industries believe that they are "better" than other people just because of what they do for a living. They feel they are special and that the normal rules of civility that govern society don't apply to them, because they have careers unlike most people and can do what they want. They actually believe that they are the "chosen ones" if you will because they work in film, tv, media etc, and because they are one of the select few, that normal people who don't have their media careers are "losers" and somehow beneath their lofty status. Now, you do have many that are great people, but there are many that feel they are "special." Couple this with a profound lack of caring about our history ( at least in the United States, can't speak about other countries)in this country and the sacrifices that previous generations have made, and what you have is what happend to the Pearl Harbor survivors. If you take a look at the culture of Japan( which is a country I love)they have a great respect as a society for their elders and seniors that came before them and what they achieved or did not achieve, and treat them with great care. The US society as represented by many in the entertainment industry and sports world has a frat house, self absorbed, "it's all about how great I am" mentality where everybody is a legend in their own mind and better than everybody else. The disrespect for everyone is everywhere in not only the entertainment industry but growing in the US society everywhere. We live "in the now", "don't care about about the past", "feel we are better than everybody", and it's all about our own self importance as individuals.

Now, I can't speak for Canada, Mike will have to, but I have seen our values even creep in up there. For example, when the Vancouver Canucks lost the Stanley Cup last June in Game Seven, and their fans preceded to burn down and trash their own city over a hockey game. The coarsening culture in the West needs to stop, we need to start showing respect for everybody that we meet, and treating each other with care. As many of you know, I'm a believer in US "Exceptionlism", but I do believe that if you are to be a leader that you have to treat everyone with the dignity, respect, care, and love that they deserve as human beings. If we are to be exceptional we need to start to show it by treating each other for the sacrifices we have made for each other.

Added: Tuesday 13 December 2011 08:49:35 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I didn't like last night's show that much. Fryer's character was really inconsistent with his previous appearances. Suddenly he is working like a regular cop (there was some explanation for this that he gave, mumbled like much of the other exposition for the show) ... if he is Internal Affairs, he should just be Internal Affairs. The people making this show totally can't keep their characters on track, like the way that Lori was supposed to be the governor's stooge, but she turned out to be just a cipher, boringly written. As well, Fryer's extreme interrogation techniques verged on the scary, making McGarrett and Danno look like amateurs. Overall, this was a typical Five-O procedural where things don't turn out as you expect. The kids at the beginning of the show talked in an unrealistic manner reminiscent of a Stephen Spielberg movie, mouthing yet more exposition, and what's with the "lava tube" in the bunker? Huh? Did it just appear out of nowhere since the war? The sequence with Danno and Lori was very strange. Is Lori now supposed to have hot pants for Danno instead of McGarrett now? The business with the handcuffs was never really explained. Max was totally annoying -- is there anything that he investigates that he doesn't have some particular interest in, i.e., he is a comic book or TV/film memorabilia collector, a spelunker, etc.? The wedding was cute in a travelogue-like way ("This is how we have a wedding in Hawaii"), but I still worry something sinister will befall Malia ... and now Joe White has to fear for his life because Noshimuri's son is going to come gunning for him!

Added: Tuesday 13 December 2011 08:06:33 MST


Submitted by: Dr. Bill Hall
From: North Carolina

I just heard of the disrepect your film crew treated the survivors of the Pearl Harbor attack recently during filming. As a veteran, I am both shocked and disappointed that you would even dare to tell these heroes where they could and could not walk and to hush. You should be ashamed and I hope all those involved will be polishing up their resumes. Maybe you should get some people skills - I hear that WalMart needs door greeters.
An ex-fan!

Added: Tuesday 13 December 2011 07:24:24 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

back to ed asner as august march and the old footage for new 5-0

remember DIAGNOSIS MURDER with Mannix with old footage into a new mystery? even brought back the old stars of the Mannix episode like pernell roberts.

Added: Monday 12 December 2011 15:44:19 MST


Submitted by: Bill K.
From: Detroit area

In the first season's "Samurai," McGarrett goes to see (I think) a chief petty officer who was on duty during Dec. 7, 1941. They discuss Japanese "suicide subs," and this figures into the resolution of the episode's storyline.

Added: Monday 12 December 2011 10:22:43 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Here's another one: "Murder : Eyes Only." Twice, the stolen microfiche is left in bouquets of anthurium at the USS Arizona Memorial. Also, while McGarrett is having lunch with / interrogating Marcia Bissell at the O Club, the memorial can be seen across the harbor.

Added: Monday 12 December 2011 07:23:10 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Hi RW,

"Legacy of Terror" from the 8th season was about the murder of a Japanese spy who was operating in Hawaii prior to the attack on Pearl Harbor. The spy was arrested by a U.S. navy officer who suspected that he stole the gold, but never could prove it. The officer and the spy became friends after the war, and used the money to fund a retirement home.

Added: Sunday 11 December 2011 20:49:13 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

RW -I think TIME AND MEMORIES... flashback scenes were filmed at the USS Arizona memorial. Mentioned in many eps... SAMURAI, TO HELL WITH BABE RUTH, BONES OF CONTENTION, and LEGACY OF TERROR come to mind.

Added: Sunday 11 December 2011 20:40:32 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Since we are on the subject, I have a real trivial question to ask if anyone knows. How many episodes in the old five-o dealt with Pearl Harbor, either as a story line, or at least had a scene shot there where it was talked about? ( meaning the December 7th, 1941 attack)

I know it's hard, but I'm just curious.

Added: Sunday 11 December 2011 19:11:32 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Thank you for the link, Rick. I should add that the article doesn't state that the actors were rude, just some crewmembers. Those people think that they are superior and can be as rude as they want, and the sad part is, they get away with it, and will remain anonymous. If an actor behaves that way, they'll be halued over the coals forever.

Added: Sunday 11 December 2011 15:45:40 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Thanks for letting us know about this, T. Hackbart. I've already sent a complaint to CBS and hope others will, too. There is just no excuse for this kind of behavior.

It looks like someone at Punchbowl double-booked that day. Even so, there is no reason why the 2.0 people couldn't have stepped aside for the hour or two of the veterans' ceremony and graveside visits.

This is beyond sad. It is absolutely a slap in the face of all who fought in WWII. I hope CBS holds the production team accountable for their actions.

Added: Sunday 11 December 2011 14:56:33 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

He's referring to this... http://bit.ly/vZG8HU

Added: Sunday 11 December 2011 12:50:46 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Maybe you would like to enlighten us as to what you mean? I did a Google search for Hawaii Five-O Pearl Harbor, the only thing I could come up with was this:

"The stars of TV show Hawaii Five-0 have volunteered for a community project at Pearl Harbor in support of U.S. veterans.

"The actors, including Alex O'Loughlin, Scott Caan, Daniel Dae Kim and Masi Oka, will be among a group of volunteers who will help plant a garden at the Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam in Hawaii on Monday [November 15]."

Added: Sunday 11 December 2011 12:39:12 MST


Submitted by: T. Hackbart
From: Colorado

I would like the Hawaii Five O production team to explain their rude treatment of the Pearl Harbor survivors this year at possibly their last reunion. It better be good or this is the last I will watch and I hope the rest of audience too.

Added: Sunday 11 December 2011 11:29:59 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Re: Bill K's statement, "As for the music, it'd be nice for one episode if they have the Tyler-Power team a rest and simply mixed Morton Stevens music from the original show." - - - Wouldn't that be a delightful treat!

Added: Saturday 10 December 2011 11:54:58 MST


Submitted by: Bill K.
From: Detroit area

re: Ed Asner episode.

The James Bond producers had a similar problem when they decided to "reboot" with Casino Royale. It supposedly was starting over, but they still had Judi Dench as M. You could rationalize that one by, in effect, saying this was an alternative universe M, the two Ms obviously look identical, but are different. You, in effect, adapt a setup DC Comics did in the '60s when they revived "Golden Age" versions of characters (Flash, Green Lantern, Atom, etc.) by saying they existed in a different universe than the '60s versions of the characters.

But you can't play that game with Ed Asner in Five-0/Five-O, especially if you're going to have flashbacks using clips from the '75 episode. You'd have to accept there were *two* Steve McGarretts (one who was 49 years old at the time of his meeting with March, based on the 1926 birth date that HPD's "Iron Brain" produced in the fifth-season opener) and another mid-30s McG, both of whom happen to have the identical job, and with staff having the very same names.

Then again, as the saying goes, it's only a television show. ;)

As for the music, it'd be nice for one episode if they have the Tyler-Power team a rest and simply mixed Morton Stevens music from the original show.

Added: Saturday 10 December 2011 11:10:17 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Did the nasty female kidnapper in the latest Hawaii Five-O say "shit" when she ran out of ammo? http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/sounds/shit.mp3

Added: Saturday 10 December 2011 11:06:51 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I just noticed that Ingo Rademacher, who played the father of the kidnapped kid in the last episode, was not featured in the main credits, but in the end credits, where his name with those of other actors lasted on screen for a few seconds. This is surprising, because he had kind of crucial role in the show, and he is kind of a "big star," relatively speaking. It's not like his appearance was a surprise like a cameo, either, because there was plenty of advance publicity about this.

Added: Saturday 10 December 2011 08:37:26 MST


Submitted by: Gem
From: Ohio USA

Mr. Mike, The Ed Asner "script" is hilarious and sadly, fairly accurate to the new series.

Added: Friday 09 December 2011 18:01:54 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

August March reformed? Surely Lenkov jests. The ego of that character doesn't allow March to think he did anything wrong; therefore, there is no need for him to reform.

Besides, did August March appear in any scene in which he was not talking to Lupin, Suzari, or Masaaki? I can't think of any. How are they supposed to splice in material from "Wooden Model of a Rat" without picking up Lupin, Suzari, or Masaaki?

The actors who portrayed those characters have passed away, Are the producers going to go to the time and expense of finding their heirs, successors, and assigns in order to pay royalties? This in addition to a comment made on the link that the REAL Five-0 fell under SAG, while the wannabe falls under AFTRA.

I'll believe it when I see it. Frankly, I don't think this idea is going to make it off the drafting board, nor do I think it should.

Added: Friday 09 December 2011 12:31:55 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

Vrinda, Lenkov didn't say it was an arc. The writer did.

Added: Friday 09 December 2011 11:55:14 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The writing team of C/H/Q has been contacted about helping with the script to this Ed Asner episode, because, let's face it, they are the only writing team that REALLY KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT THE OLD FIVE-O!

Here is an excerpt that was e-mailed to me:

McGarrett and Danno are driving to August March's place, having the usual "cargument".

Danno (gesticulating frantically): What do you mean, this guy March wants to help us?

McGarrett (not watching the road): This guy was in jail for 35 years after [very loud music drowns out explanation as to how/why he was put there], now he is out on parole and trying to become a "respectable citizen."

Danno: Right. So don't you think it is kind of odd that [more loud music]...

Next scene: August March's place, they are already talking to March.

McGarrett: So, Mr. March, why did you contact us? Is it true that [two minutes of mindless exposition recounting the previous history of March, including video clips from the old show, again drowned out by loud music]?

March has been listening patiently, but looks totally clueless.

March (feebly): Just a minute, Mr. McGarrett, I forgot to put my hearing aid in. (He walks slowly to a dresser nearby, gets the hearing aid and plugs it in to his ear). Can you repeat that, please?

Added: Friday 09 December 2011 11:54:39 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Tsk, Mike. Don't you know it's just to annoy you? :D

Rick, just bringing back August March for one episode in the new show, when he was on the old show in that same role, is not an arc in the traditional definition, and what would commonly come to mind when someone reads it. The only way it can be an arc the way you describe it is if they are continuing the storyline from that epiosde. They can't, since this show, as Lenkov says, is a "revisioning." The McGarrett, Danno, and Chin Ho characters as they existed on the old show don't exist on the new show. The same character turning up for one episode which has no connection to the one on the old show, apart from that same character being there, is not really a story arc. Lenkov would be using the wrong terminology there.

If this is an arc, like Lenkov says, it would have to have some reference, if not be fully connected, to the storyline about the stolen Japanese wooden rat, which would not fit in with the way they do this show. In that website, they say March is reformed and helping them solve a case. That's a connection to that episode, yes, and brings that storyline into the new show, yes, but the inference I got from that is from the way story arcs are described and used in modern television - multiple episodes with a continuing storyline. That's the way Lenkov works, so if he is using that word, but is really referring to bridging the old episode and this one new episode, "story arc" is not the right term.

Added: Friday 09 December 2011 11:34:30 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"nobody is allowed to slap Stroud around like that but Eastwood."

:D Well said, Big H. Only Clint and James Bond - by impaling him with a forklift. Ouch!

Added: Friday 09 December 2011 11:23:30 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

(Vrinda) "They say it's going to be a story arc, so he's going to be in more than one episode..."

Don't know how you got that from reading the article. It says the arc is from the original appearance to now. That's the arc.

Added: Friday 09 December 2011 10:54:26 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: Still from Arizona...

""It is thrilling to, for the first time, merge the original `Hawaii Five-0' and our new show by having the classic, versatile and award-winning actor Ed Asner reprise his role of August March, a character Mr. Asner first played 36 years ago. "

FOR THE FIRST TIME?!?!?! What about stellar appearances by Robert Loggia, Doug Mossman, Patty Duke, Al Harrington, and the incomparable Don Stroud, and I may be missing a few. I know Asner has a couple of Emmy's under his belt, but that's no call to step on other actors' toes......geesh. Come on Lenkov, nobody is allowed to slap Stroud around like that but Eastwood.

Added: Friday 09 December 2011 10:40:58 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Tsk, Vrinda, including comment from previous message (now edited out)! :!nerd:

You should check out the article where Asner's appearance is mentioned, referred to below. I am including it here again -- http://bit.ly/uoeXQO -- as a clickable link, to encourage people to go there and maybe even add comments. Some of the things people have said in response to this are quite amusing...

Added: Friday 09 December 2011 10:34:48 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Mike,

That is priceless "Deep Fried Chicken"- that's hysterical! :D

Added: Friday 09 December 2011 10:20:09 MST


Submitted by: Steve's Girl
From: Germany

@ Mr. Mike "...Spring Chicken...Deep Fried Chicken..."

Great idea, Mr. Mike !!!

Added: Friday 09 December 2011 10:19:25 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Mike, that brings up an important point: That would cost them a lot of money to do that kind of ilm editing. It probably already cost them a lot just to get Ed Asner to come. They say it's going to be a story arc, so he's going to be in more than one episode, so that should be costing them a sizeable amount. Is it worth it for the sake of maintaining their universe to edit out the other actors from Ed's scenes in the original? I'd like to see how they do it if they don't opt for the Forrest Gump method.

I know that if they do include the other original cast members in those clips, it's going to be very jarring for that camp that bragged so much about the current cast being so much better than the original. These guys will dwarf them, even in flashback scenes. I can just see that nasty moderator from the new Five-O board throwing a fit!

Added: Friday 09 December 2011 10:12:49 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike the Skeptical
From: Vancouver

Rainbow, I seriously doubt they will show any of the old actors in the clips of Asner from the previous show. They will probably do something like in Forrest Gump, mixing old and recently-filmed footage, but will they get the current McGarrett's father to be the one who put March in jail? If McGarrett's father was 60 when he was (supposedly) knocked off, this would mean he was about 25 when the events of the old show were taking place. However this is handled, this will seriously disturb the Five-O space/time continuum.

As far as Gavin (Big Chicken) MacLeod appearing on the show is concerned, I also doubt this will happen, at least this year. In getting Asner to make a guest appearance, the producers have totally used up their quota of stars-from-the-old-show-appearing-on-the-new-who-will-not-appeal-to-the-18-to-49-demographic for this year. (Robert Loggia filled this bill last season.)

It is quite possible they might work some other reference to Big Chicken into the story, though:

Spring Chicken -- a younger relative of Big, who seeks revenge for what McGarrett (again, space/time continuum issues) did to his father/grandfather. If we are talking grandson, maybe they can hire some current heartthrob like Robert Pattinson.

Deep Fried Chicken -- this is the original character, horribly burned during an explosion of a fryer in the kitchen while he was in prison. This way they would not have to hire MacLeod, they could get some relatively insignificant actor to play the part, covered with a grotesque and heavy latex mask.

Oh yeah, to comment on my own comment, I find it pretty funny that Lenkov thinks that bringing Asner back will somehow "form a bridge between our reboot and the original series." Too bad he doesn't think the same way about the music.

Added: Friday 09 December 2011 09:32:52 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

....so someone explain to me how he can reprise a character he played 36 years ago with flashbacks from the old show. Wouldn't that make the current Steve McGarrett and Danny Williams and Chin Ho like in their 80's or 90's in the current show? I mean this is so stupid only Hollywood people could think this works. I may be missing something, but would someone enlighten me. Is this as dumb as it sounds or am I missing a great "fabulous" Hollywood idea? :!mad:

Added: Friday 09 December 2011 08:40:54 MST


Submitted by: Anne
From: Tangerine

I would love to see Big Chicken again!

Added: Friday 09 December 2011 05:45:08 MST


Submitted by: Dan A
From: South Brunswick, NJ

To bad Harold Gould died a year ago Honore Vashon could have returned too.

What Guest Stars from the original show could return.

Mr Asner's former MTM Gavin MacLeod as big Chicken?

Added: Thursday 08 December 2011 23:46:56 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Some people were complaining that season 12 at amazon.com was not available to order (see link at top of page) ... but I did some bitchin' to CBS, and suddenly this problem was fixed. Also, Best Buy's exclusive deal for the Blu-Ray of season one of the new show expires at the end of January, so it should be soon available for pre-order at amazon.com too.

Added: Thursday 08 December 2011 16:35:06 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

"It is thrilling to, for the first time, merge the original Hawaii Five-0 and our new show by having the classic, versatile and award-winning actor Ed Asner reprise his role of August March, a character Mr. Asner first played 36 years ago,” Hawaii Five-0 executive producer/showrunner Peter Lenkov said. "There is no better way to form a bridge between our reboot and the original series.”

Uh, OK...

Added: Thursday 08 December 2011 16:08:15 MST


Submitted by: Will
From: Austin, TX

If you're a continuity nut, check this out:

http://bit.ly/uoeXQO

Ed Asner is going to guest on new show reprising a character he played in the old show: 1975's "Wooden Model of a Rat." They're even going to be using old footage as flashbacks.

Weird.

Added: Thursday 08 December 2011 15:32:52 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

I mentioned this on here before, and on the IMDb, but I come across a lot of people who criticize the original series and say that the characters did not work together as a team, that Steve was "distant and aloof," and they brag that the characters on the new show "have opinions," and that the characters on the origial didn't, etc. I didn't know that people actually cared about all these elements, or are they nitpicking?

I saw team dynamics on the original show, and Steve was not distant and aloof. If you want distant and aloof, try "Ironside." Are these people who make these remarks actually watching the original show, are they making it up to sound like they have an opinion, or copying what others say - who also don't know what they are talking about, or are their conceptions of team work and friendliness very shallow?

JL's McGarrett talked to his men and treated them respectfully. He had to give orders and act like a dictator at times, because they were dealing with saving people's lives and there was no time for diplomacy. Danno also lead investigations, and he, Chin, Kono, and the other detectives gave their input when they had something to say. This wasn't all Steve's opinions, all the time. Some people have a had time accepting that McGarrett was the chief of Five-O and acted in accordance with his position. They make it sound like they have a tough time accepting authority figures.

The AOL McGarrett is more of a loner. He and Danno do not get along, and whatever interaction he has with Chin and Kono is when they are calling in information they found on suspects or evidence. On the original, it was all business and professional, but these guys also talked to one another as friends when the time was appropriate. It was evident that they cared for each other.

If these people who criticize the original are basing their comments on having seen the show as children years ago, then their memories have been distorted by time and they are not giving an accurate assessment. Either they should rewatch it with an open mind before commenting, or - if they still want to make it sound like the original is inferior to the new show - they need to keep their ignorant comments to themselves.

Added: Thursday 08 December 2011 11:23:19 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Check out http://www.50undercover.com/ … if anyone knows, they will.

Added: Wednesday 07 December 2011 18:44:32 MST


Submitted by: wanda Chubbs
From: Mount Pearl, Newfoundland , Canada

I am currently visiting waikiki beach and watch the show weekly. Is there filming occurring presently?

Added: Wednesday 07 December 2011 18:27:54 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

In regard to the last show, I also thought of the Chowchilla school bus kidnapping, but that situation was somewhat different, since it was just a simple matter of kidnapping for ransom by three young men from well-to-do families who became obsessed with the idea of a "perfect crime." If you look the kidnapping up on Wikipedia, it reveals that some circumstances of the abduction corresponded to details in "The Day the Children Vanished", a story that had been published in the 1969 fiction anthology Alfred Hitchcock's Daring Detectives. A copy of this book was in the Chowchilla public library; police theorized that this was the source of the real-life kidnappers' inspiration. It was similar in that the kids were buried in a van in a quarry. They were lucky to be able to escape through an opening in the top of the truck.

Added: Wednesday 07 December 2011 12:04:04 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Besides, Mike, in the very last line of this week's episode, he said, "I worry McGarrett's getting in the way." I reacted, "Oh, no. Not another traitor! Can't they let anybody be who he/she appears to be???"

Added: Wednesday 07 December 2011 11:59:11 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

That's a good point, Mike, I didn't view the storyline like that. If that is the case, then I would be pleased with what you proposed. However, keep in mind that both you and H50 Forever could probably write better storylines for the new Five-O. than what the current writers have been doing. I can only hope that what you proposed is the way they will go and not what I figured originally. We'll see.

You did show me a viewpoint that I hadn't considered.

Added: Wednesday 07 December 2011 10:22:23 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

What makes you think that White is "betraying" McGarrett? Considering McGarrett's late father was White's pal, White likely had an agenda of his own to investigate the old man's death, which being in the SEALS, was difficult for him to pursue. Now that he got the boot, he is able to do this with impunity. Remember that White told McGarrett words to the effect "you don't want to know [about your father's death]." There is a limit as to how horrible this could be. Speculation is that McGarrett's mother and/or father are still alive, though even if Hesse did NOT shoot the father, there was obviously a body being buried in the pilot episode ... unless there is an even bigger conspiracy including Navy SEALs and God knows what else.

Added: Wednesday 07 December 2011 10:02:48 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Compromise my integrity as an artist?...Ah Don't worry Alex, you're not that much of an artist .... I love the way the modern day actors and actresses all use this line like they memorized it out of some sort of actors handbook for things to say. It's like when these actresses say "I didn't want to do the nude scene if it was going to compromise my integrity as an artist. When the director showed me it wouldn't I had no problem shedding my clothes." Yeah right.
Howard Stern is right there is nothing more boring and pedantic than listening to actors and actresses talk about their projects like they were working on the cure for cancer, or talking about solving the European debt crisis. The glory days of Hollywood when John Wayne, Jimmy Stewert, Humphrey Bogart, etc led the town are sadly long gone. These people take themselves way too seriously.

Big Chicken, yeah, it's always good to see Doug Mossman or any of the old Five-O cast in the new show. Nice to see an updated version of them. I actually liked the latest episode of the new Five-O even though it was similar to Dirty Harry, and a real life event that happened in Chowcilla, CA. in 1976. They blew all the good work they did up in the last scene when it's revealed seemingly that Joe White is betraying McGarrett as well. Yes, every character in the new Five-O will end up betraying Steve and the only person left he can trust will be Kono. God, get these writers some decent ideas.

Added: Wednesday 07 December 2011 08:21:12 MST


Submitted by: AJ
From: NY

O'Loughlin: "I’m 35 years old and I’ve got a 14-year-old son..."

:!thinking:

And what has that to do with the price of pineapple on Molokai?

Added: Tuesday 06 December 2011 22:07:40 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Thanks for those quotes, Mike. The way one of the posters made it sound, it looked as though Alex only took the job to support his son, and that he wants to get out of TV and do movies. It goes to show how people easily mistinterpret what they read, and their lack of reading comprehension skills.

Added: Tuesday 06 December 2011 16:16:09 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Quotes from AOL Australian GQ interview (via IMDB):

You’ve said before that you love movies. Do you worry about being pigeonholed as a small-screen player?

Absolutely. TV scares the *beep* out of me. With all due respect, it’s a business about numbers and how many people are watching. When you work in the system the way I do at the moment, occasionally you come across material that can seem like you’re going to compromise your integrity as an artist by participating in it. That’s scary because you think, ‘How am I going to make it out of TV alive?’ But there are other things to take into account. I’m 35 years old and I’ve got a 14-year-old son (Saxon, who lives with his mother in Australia).

What’s he like?

He’s the best 14-year-old around. I want him to have every opportunity I ever had and the ones I didn’t. I’m grateful for the job – this is me simply (reflecting) about my career and how I feel. I’d never have turned the Five-0 job down because it was too good, but you do stop taking risks after a while – when you say, "I need to get some money in the bank and have a solid home for my family.”

Added: Tuesday 06 December 2011 14:41:53 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Mr. Mike, even though I don't watch the new show I get a kick out of spotting all these "24" alumni in your synopsis/guest list. The likes of Annie Wersching, Rhys Coiro, Reiko Aylesworth, Tzi Ma, Max Martini, Jean Smart, Louis Lombardi, etc. Even our man Daniel Dae Kim! C'mon! Where's Dennis Haysbert?

Added: Tuesday 06 December 2011 12:40:46 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Here's the advertisement (What? PBS advertises?) for the "60s Pop, Rock & Soul" special:
http://bit.ly/vlG4Lr

So far, no full-length versions are showing on You Tube. It's probably just a matter of time.

Added: Tuesday 06 December 2011 12:36:23 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

the interrogation beatdown of the laughing castillo, vargas or whatever his name is who says he has 3 boys

girls , whatever similar to THE DARK KNIGHT where Bats beats the shit out of the laughing Joker.

Added: Tuesday 06 December 2011 12:11:00 MST


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

STILL can't order S12 from Amazon - I wonder what the hold up is? I hope the release date is still next month!

Added: Tuesday 06 December 2011 11:24:46 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Hi Big H,

Yes, that is the show I was asking about. I found other airings for it. I'll record it onto DVD and see if I can post that segment onto YouTube for those of you who didn't see it.

Thanks for the warning about the commercials.

Added: Tuesday 06 December 2011 10:55:17 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

"What was the name of the program that this was on?"

Vrinda....if you're asking about the show "60s Pop, Rock and Soul" on PBS, if you find another airing, be sure to dvr it and not watch it live. My airing from last Sat night was split about 60% commercials/fund-raising and only 40% actual music. Thank God for the FF button...

Added: Tuesday 06 December 2011 10:05:19 MST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Seattle, Hometown of Toomey and Lew

‘when Steve closes the show by telling Lorenzo "If you knew as much about following the due process of law as you do about guns and bullets there wouldn't be one person dead because you took the law into your own hands! Book 'em." That's the great Five-O rush Chicken, nothing like it brother!’

Right on, Brudda! You know all the Chicken’s fave scenes, Rainbow Warrior. Will check out "One with Gun” again, haven’t seen that in a whiles.

I know you tune into the new show and I was thinkin it musta been cool to see ole Doug Mossman. Cause he was good as Frank Kamana in the mid-run but he really shined in that Five-O first season. Thought he was all stone-cold police procedural in ‘24 Karat kill’ when he give Steve the book on Kim Tung Chang. And he share a great scene jestin with Jack in the coroner’s office of that ep. But how bout the way his Lt. Kealoha kept hot head Steve from chargin that hospital hall after wounded Danno in "King of The Hill.” Man, it ain’t easy to match up with an amped up McGarrett, specially that first year

For those of us who will always love that awesome inaugural season of the Five, just wanted to share my thoughts on our man Doug Mossman’s contributions to making it as great as it was.

Added: Tuesday 06 December 2011 09:05:05 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I liked tonight's show, especially the fact that Joe White is taking a more prominent role helping out Five-O. I would really like to see a show just featuring him!

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/2010-logtwo.htm#11

Added: Monday 05 December 2011 20:44:07 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

"60s Pop, Rock & Soul" is airing again tonight on my PBS station. It may be airing on yours, too. Read more about it and find out when the show is being broadcast on your PBS station.

http://www.pbs.org/programs/60s-pop-rock-soul/

Added: Monday 05 December 2011 17:45:07 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Oops!

I meant to say, "Merci beau coup, Pierre and KD.

Added: Monday 05 December 2011 12:36:40 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

What was the name of the program that this was on?

Added: Monday 05 December 2011 12:14:11 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I find it pretty funny that two "foreign" viewers of the new show post their very negative opinions of it, and everyone falls over themselves as if this represents some kind of consensus. Talk about preaching to the converted! :D

Added: Monday 05 December 2011 12:11:21 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Merci beau coup, Pierre and Big H. You've both said it so very well.

Added: Monday 05 December 2011 12:05:42 MST


Submitted by: Big H
From: nc

Forever says>>"If you watched the Ventures playing the Five-0 theme song on PBS tonight, you saw the scenes from the opening sequence. Did you notice how every time they showed Jack, the audience cheered and applauded?"

And the best scene (to me) wasn't even from the opening sequence...it was that scene where a youthful JL is running down the dock, from left to right, cement curl flapping in the ocean breeze! Also (again, IMO) the music from the Ventures was heads and tails above the other groups in terms of quality and staying close to the original. In all honesty, I think some of those groups were just lip sync-ing to a pre-recorded sound track, but I think the Ventures, Jefferson Starship and Peter Noone performed live. I know that blond chick for JS sounded freakishly just like Grace Slick.

Added: Monday 05 December 2011 11:04:58 MST


Submitted by: KD MCG
From: Let's hear it for pierre-écouter

@Pierre: I agree. I have said all along that this is a parody-or as you say caricature mon ami. There is no comparison-this is just a parody. They will cry that it is not meant to be a comparison, but you cannot but help making the comparison. Jack Lord was robust and had great presence and a natural edginess;AOL doesn't come across as robust. I have enjoyed some parts of the show but it is not Hawai'i Five-O. The last episode was more A- team than Five-O.

Added: Monday 05 December 2011 09:08:41 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Terrific post H50 Forever!...I couldn't agree with you more. It was wonderfully said and it is nice to know that you share my exact thinking. Cheers!

Added: Monday 05 December 2011 07:39:56 MST


Submitted by: Dacian
From: UK

Bonjour mon ami Pierre, I agree with you about the remake, I would like to tell CBS from our old Europe that "elle suce ! "
Hawaii 50 is a classic and classics should not be touched.That group of clowns don't belong in a show with the name Hawaii 50 in it.They should had just made a new cop show on Hawaii. I only watched half of the first season,I could not take anymore.

Added: Monday 05 December 2011 05:14:20 MST


Submitted by: Steve's Girl
From: Germany

@ H50 "...and replace them with candidates who have not surrendered their values."

I agree, H50, but sadly after those have been elected it often turns out that they have to hide something as well.

Added: Sunday 04 December 2011 23:48:11 MST


Submitted by: Otto
From: New York

Pierre. Merci, mon ami.

Added: Sunday 04 December 2011 23:11:16 MST


Submitted by: Pierre
From: France

I have finally watched the remake. I am surprised and very bummed.It is a very weak show, more like a caracature of the Original. The new guy can't come close to Mr. Lord,he is very bland and him trying to act tough made me laughed.
Very dissappointed with CBS studios.This is not the way to treat a legacy as Hawaii Five-O. I wish they had never tried this remake.I won't be watching no more.
Regards.

Added: Sunday 04 December 2011 15:31:02 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

mike, do you know if CBS video will have a promo for season 12 on facebook soon?

Added: Sunday 04 December 2011 15:22:20 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Excellent analogy, RW. So often law enforcement and criminals perform the same acts but with a major difference. Law enforcement seeks justice, while criminals seek personal gain at the expense of others. That is why it is painful when law enforcement officers go bad. They've lost their purpose and harmed an institution that always must strive to remain above reproach.

Therein lies the steadfast appeal of Five-0 and McGarrett. He was always on guard against being led astray, although he faced the same temptations as we all do. We look up to him. For that matter, we look up to real-life law enforcement officers who set the same high standards.

Similarly, we look up to other authority figures who set and maintain high standards. That is why it is so painful today as we see those figures cave in, bail out, and otherwise fall short. Each time one does, he or she robs society of a bit of what it has chosen to stand for.

It is up to us to "just say no." Or, as McGarrett so often said, "No chance, bruddah!" If those in office don't live up to the goals, abide by the law, etc., then we need to call them home at the next election and replace them with candidates who have not surrendered their values. It's essential, for it is the only way for a society to survive.

Added: Sunday 04 December 2011 15:01:30 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Big Chicken, Big H, H50 Forever, Vrinda, Elaine,

I watched "The One with The Gun" over the weekend, and I loved the avenging angel Lorenzo hunting down all the players at the fixed poker game with a vengence while McGarrett had to solve the case and hunt down Lorenzo. What made this one great was that Lorenzo was just as dogged going after his brother's killer as McGarrett was going after perps and suspects. Terrific episode.

Big Chicken: I thought of you again at the end when Steve closes the show by telling Lorenzo "If you knew as much about following the due process of law as you do about guns and bullets there wouldn't be one person dead because you took the law into your own hands! Book 'em." That's the great Five-O rush Chicken, nothing like it brother!

Added: Sunday 04 December 2011 13:37:40 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

I wish I had seen that. Jack would have been proud! Thanks for telling us about that, H5O 1.0.

Added: Saturday 03 December 2011 22:06:00 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

If you watched the Ventures playing the Five-0 theme song on PBS tonight, you saw the scenes from the opening sequence. Did you notice how every time they showed Jack, the audience cheered and applauded? Oh, how I wish Jack could have seen that. It would have made him feel so good to know that he is still loved.

I hope someone tapes it and posts it on You Tube.

Added: Saturday 03 December 2011 20:24:39 MST


Submitted by: Frank
From: Snyder

@H50 forever,

Basically two things are needed to consider a TV show a winner for a network.

1- In the case of a new show, as Hawaii was last year, the show has to improve its time period, do better than the show that was moved to make a free spot.. Hawaii has not been able to do that. CSI Miami was stronger. A network replaces a show for a new one to do better, no worse.

2- After the first season, the show needs to show year to year improvement in the numbers. Again Hawaii has failed in that. The trend for Hawaii is down , not up. And because the rest of the CBS shows on Monday night are trending up, Hawaii is looking even weaker.

That is why the article could not call Hawaii a winner. A show can stay in the air for several reasons, not always because it is a winner, financial and personal reasons play a big part too.

Added: Saturday 03 December 2011 16:26:00 MST


Submitted by: stella
From: US

Well, the writer of that article has a TV website and last year he had H50 into the big disapointment list for all the season.
The reason for that was that cbs moved CSI Miami from the Monday slot because the show was in the 8th season ,losing numbers with each season and they thought they could do better in the slot with the new expensive H50. Instead H50 is getting 25% less numbers than CSI Miami.So that was a bad move for the network. This season the writer has all CBS Monday block in the winner list because the block is getting each week ,better numbers than last year. But H50 is not in that list because the numbers are not up from last year.The show is not improving and that cannot be considered a positive sign for a show.It only improved the night that it was against reruns in the other networks.
I think the article was just saying that the show survived a second season, while other remakes didn't, that is all.Although the numbers is getting cannot put him in the winners list.
A new show that replaces an old one, is considered a winner when improves the slot for the network at that hour. That is not the case with Hawaii 50.

Added: Saturday 03 December 2011 14:57:40 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

I took it as a derogatory comment. After all, if the author had had praise for the remake, wouldn't he/she have included it in the winners list? That's how I saw it.

Added: Saturday 03 December 2011 14:51:56 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Remember, though, most modern journalists don't use words and phrases properly. When this writer said, "Forget Hawaii Five-O, TV reboots rarely work," it doesn't come across as praise to me. That section talks about the lack of originality in creating TV shows as being in the losers' category, and points out remakes that did fail, and that more remakes are in the works. We don't know what the writer thinks of H5-O 2, but in the context of that paragraph where he mentions it, he is saying is the exception to the rule that remakes rarely work, and that the new show becoming a success was a rarity, or maybe even a fluke. It doesn't imply that the show is better than the other remakes or that Lenkov and company are doing something right. That is my take on it.

Added: Saturday 03 December 2011 13:36:59 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Ah, but you have conveniently left out the rest of the paragraph. The whole thing reads as follows:

LOSER: Unoriginality: Forget Hawaii Five-O, TV reboots rarely work. ABC’s Charlie’s Angels fell from Thursday nights and Maria Bello is hanging up her hat on NBC’s U.S. version of Prime Suspect. With broadcasters developing new editions of The Munsters, Bewitched, The Rifleman, and Frankenstein, expect more familiar titles to come. Losing trend runner-up: The 1960s (just ask NBC’s defunct The Playboy Club and ABC’s struggling-to-stay-aloft Pan Am).

What I take the first sentence to mean is: "Forget Hawaii Five-O, because this is the exception to the rule; TV reboots rarely work." Your comment flies in the face of the evidence that this show, despite the fact the vast majority of people posting about it here think it is crap and the fact that it is not exactly bowling people over in the ratings, has "succeeded" by virtue of the fact that it was renewed for a second season and is what one might call "modestly successful."

Added: Saturday 03 December 2011 12:39:48 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

Here's the statement I based my observation on:

"LOSER: Unoriginality: Forget Hawaii Five-O, TV reboots rarely work."

If they said more about it than that, I missed it.

Added: Saturday 03 December 2011 11:49:30 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Huh? I think you saw the word "loser" in the same paragraph as "Hawaii Five-0" and assumed the worst. If you read it more carefully, you will see they are saying that Hawaii Five-O is NOT a loser compared to other "reboots."

Added: Saturday 03 December 2011 07:10:12 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

The word is not good re: the reboot. Read here:

http://bit.ly/rxanK3

P.S. Don't forget that Part 3 of The Great Five-0 Weekend Writing Challenge is on this weekend. Stop by and add to the storyline. Mahalo!

Added: Saturday 03 December 2011 06:36:41 MST


Submitted by: Big H
From: cary, nc

Lots of info/stats/pics here if you're in to the new show. http://bit.ly/fsFc7L

@ Joshua...I agree, but I find that AOL is not the only offender....the others, especially Caan and Park, are capable of blurbing out about 15-20 unintelligible words in a half sec which put my dvr in rewind mode for about 10 min. I actually think it's a game with them.

Added: Friday 02 December 2011 13:50:39 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Many people don't know what deja vu means, so it's understandable that Steve would explain it to Kimo, but those things didn't happen in every episode. I didn't keep track of how often it happens in the new show, but I know it happens more often. I wonder if it's because the writers think they need to explain certain things to the audience, or if they are putting that explanatory dialogue in for the sake of having dialouge and filling up the time.

Added: Thursday 01 December 2011 18:10:14 MST


Submitted by: Maxine
From: Brooklyn

The question about whether in the old show things needed to be explained made me think of the episode "A Shallow Grave" in which Kimo has to be told what "déjà vu" means.

Added: Thursday 01 December 2011 16:38:13 MST


Submitted by: Robert
From: Cucamonga

I studied acting on college and one of the most required skills to become an actor is communication. Speak loudly, that doesn't mean yelling :) .And speak clearly by pausing between words. And good facial expressions..That's the only way to create a charismatic character that connects with viewers. Jack Lord did that.

I think Alex O. doesn't have what it takes to be a leading man, in this case Steve McGarrett. I am not saying he sucks, just that he is not good enough , just mediocre. And that is the biggest problem in this show in my opinion.I don't understand how producers didn't realize about it. All TV critics were saying how Sctott was stealing the show right after watching the pilot. It was quite obvious.

Added: Thursday 01 December 2011 14:48:34 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there...

I agree, Joshua. Poor enunciation of words seems to be endemic to the current generation. No longer do children receive instructions not to mumble, slur their words, etc.

In my parents' generation, they received instruction at school in how to speak properly. In fact, they spoke with marbles in their mouths. After all, if they could make themselves understood with their mouths full of marbles, they could make themselves understood in normal conversation.

Although I don't recommend the use of marbles, I do think proper enunciation is a skill we all could stand to hone. After all, if people can't understand us, we aren't communicating, and what is the purpose of speech if not to communicate.

Added: Thursday 01 December 2011 13:26:45 MST


Submitted by: Joshua
From: Needham, Massachusetts

If someone from the show is cheking this page,
Can PLEASE someone teach Alex O'L to speak clearly and pronounce words correctly? It takes a big effort to understand what he is saying.
We have been watching the show so far. Mostly because there is nothing else at that time, not even on cable, it is ABC or CBS .And even if the show is not that bad with TerryO.Q on charge of the team,something that was needed big time, we will stop watching if they don't fix this. NBC will premiere a great looking new show on February and we will move there.Theres only so much you can take until you finally just dont care anymore.It is just awful.

Added: Thursday 01 December 2011 12:33:58 MST


Submitted by: Dave
From: Ontario

V for Vashon the Father where MacG's car is blown up I will be at that spot on Dec 22nd and will get lots of pictures for Mike to post.
18 more days before I leave.

Added: Thursday 01 December 2011 10:56:39 MST


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