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Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth

Sad news to report. Richard Anderson has passed away. He played the cold blooded baby buyer in "The Child Stealers" and wad perhaps most famously known as Oscar Goldman on The Six Million Dollar Man.

Added: August 31 2017 10:40:31 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Just rewatched my season 2 favorite "The Singapore File" and its greatness never diminishes. Great suspense, score, the chemistry between Jack and Marj is the best ever on the show, and the whole thing just feels like a movie. It just has this overseas exotic on-the-run flavor to it (even though most of it was shot on Oahu). One thing to note is that Victor, the guy dressed in white pursuing Nicole, is Lew Kelso, Toomey's partner in "The Payoff". Fred, take note! ;)

Added: August 31 2017 09:12:44 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Guys, I'm pondering my season 4 ranking. This is tougher than I thought! Will post soon...

Added: August 31 2017 07:20:36 PM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

AUGH!!!!

"'A'ole e '?lelo mai ana ke ahi ua ana ia" – McGarrett and Danny recruit Tani Rey (Meaghan Rath) to join the task force when diabolical hacker Aaron Wright (Joey Lawrence) releases a dangerous arsonist from prison, on the eighth season premiere of HAWAII FIVE-0, Friday, Sept. 29 (9:00-10:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network. The season premiere includes animation of one of McGarrett and Danny’s infamous "car-guements." Also, Randy Couture returns, and Joey Lawrence joins his brother, Andrew, when he guest stars as Aaron Wright, a hacker.

"'A'ole e '?lelo mai ana ke ahi ua ana ia" is Hawaiian for "Fire Will Never Say that It Has Had Enough"

Added: August 31 2017 12:20:44 PM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Todd, Masi Oka made the following comment after DDK's FB post regarding his leaving the show:

I found the quote by looking thru Oka's Twitter feed...

http://www.npr.org/2017/07/19/536711220/-hawaii-five-0-casting-a nnouncement-doesn-t-fix-cbs-larger-diversity-problem

Oka emailed a statement to NPR:

"I was as saddened as anyone to learn of Daniel and Grace leaving Hawaii Five-0 but I, probably more so than most, understand their reason for doing so. Sometimes you have to draw the line in the sand for something you believe in and something for which you stand. While pay equality was not my personal primary decision to leave ... I support [Kim] and [Park] in their decision to stand up for what they believe is right."

Added: August 31 2017 07:14:39 AM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Todd, Mike gives "One Born Every Minute" 3 stars so he definitely doesn't think it's mediocre. It's an episode that is strangely overlooked or at least doesn't get talked much about, but when it's talked about I only hear good things about it. I don't recall anyone who disliked it, here or elsewhere.

Added: August 30 2017 06:17:42 PM


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth

Todd,

One Born Every Minute is likely my #1 overall. Love that show. Lots of great scenery, a nice looking woman in Lynette Mettey, lots of irregular regulars, including Jimmy Borges and a decent plot.

I had The Joker's Wild as my #3 episode from season 2, but it was tough to pick the top 3 from that and Just Lucky, I Guess and Singapore File.

Can we at least agree that drawing a deuce on the river to win $8.15 million was lucky?

Added: August 30 2017 04:38:42 PM


Submitted by: Todd
From: Los Angeles

Regarding the "top 25" list everyone is debating, I agree with Mike that it's not all that bad, provided you just forget the bottom 5 and make it a Top 20.

There is a notable omission of "Draw Me a Killer", as well as "Nightmare in Blue", but the episodes they chose in the top 20 were mostly very good.

There is a lot of subjectivity in Five-O fandom of certain episodes.

For example, "One Born Every Minute" seems to be popular on IMDB, and it was also one of my favorites. ringfire211 also said he really liked it. However, Mike and some others here have rated it as a mediocre episode.

I also really liked "Steal Now--Pay Later", which doesn't seem to be on anyone else's "best" list.

I'm happy that list had "The Joker's Wild, Man, Wild", as I also feel that was a top episode which is often overlooked.

And regarding "Over 50? Steal!", I was disappointed by it. I read all about that episode in the 1990s before actually seeing it, and expected the best episode of all time. Instead, I found it to be good, but not great. Might be heresy to say this, but I wouldn't put "Over 50? Steal!" in my top 20 list.

Added: August 30 2017 02:01:09 PM


Submitted by: Todd
From: Los Angeles

As we are not too far away from the start of Season 8 of Five-Zero (about 4 weeks), I would like to discuss the interesting way that writers/producers dealt with the uncertain contract situations of three of the four main stars.

I found it highly unusual that there were several episodes in Season 7 making reference to possible reasons three of the cast members would leave.

Danno was possibly going to start a restaurant and get back together with his ex-wife, Rachel.

Chin was possibly going to move to San Francisco, marry Abby, and head up a Five-Zero-like task force in that city.

Kono, shown to be increasingly emotional regarding the plight of girls kidnapped for forced prostitution, was finally shown to be on a plane to track down a human trafficking network on the mainland.

None of these were resolved in the final episode of Season 7, yet none of these were dramatic cliffhangers.

As Mike pointed out in his S7E25 review, this was because all of the cast members except O'Loughlin were not signed yet for Season 8.

As we all know, Kono and Chin will not be returning, so presumably Chin will be said to have taken that San Francisco job, and Kono will be said to be chasing down sex traffickers all over the mainland.

That's an incredibly clean exit for what appeared to be an abrupt departure of two of the show's four stars.

It also seemed that Danno's story (the restaurant) was presented as less imminent, almost as if they felt they were more building toward a future series finale with it, rather than Caan's departure (though they could have used it for that, too).

I don't recall any other shows writing multiple-episode storylines regarding the possible departure of its stars, without the contract situation of those stars having been decided either way.

I wonder how Caan, Park, and Kim felt acting out these scenes setting up their departure?

And I especially wonder why this was never referenced in all of the stories I read regarding Park and Kim ultimately leaving.

I have a feeling that the writing was on the wall for a long time regarding Kim and Park's departure, thus the multiple references throughout later Season 7 regarding their reasons for possibly leaving.

Anyone think that Kim and Park demanded equal pay for Season 8 about a year ago, and wouldn't budge, thus giving writers/producers a lot of time coming up with a clean way to write them off?

Oh, and how silly will the already-lame farewell to Max episode look, now that two of the main four characters are leaving without any emotional party? I felt that entire sequence was really forced -- almost like this was some concession they made to Masi Oka.

Added: August 30 2017 01:53:17 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Fred, see, now THAT is a more accurate ranking. Vashon, Hookman, Over Fifty all at the very top where they belong! My personal favorite Rest In Peace is in there too. The only one that is curiously missing is the undisputed classic I'll Kill 'Em Again. I also feel Chain of Events doesn't belong there. But by and large it's an accurate representation of some of the show's all-time best episodes.

P.S. I'd love to see the list where someone lists "...A Bird in Hand" as the #1 best. Poor Mike would probably get an aneurysm or take some sort of legal action against such a person. :p :D

Added: August 29 2017 04:46:17 PM


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

It's difficult to find a consensus on many seasons of Classic HFO. There are many high quality episodes especially Seasons 3 and 6 and throughout the series. I've seen many Classic HFO forum posters list their Top 5's and Top 10's and they have different FAVs presented. These lists challenge me to evaluate my list and leads me to watching an episode. Shows the depth and quality of the episodes. Most Classic HFO fans would agree The Vashon episodes, Nine Dragons,Draw Me A Killer, Hookman, Over Fifty? Steal would be in most Top 10 and Top 20 lists. Over Fifty? Steal I think maybe 15 now on my list. Evaluating episodes will push some up or down. I currently have Engaged To Be Buried #1 and Hookman #2 but that could change again. JC

Added: August 29 2017 03:35:16 PM


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth

Here is a top 25 list from IMDB viewer ratings along with their rating on a 1-10 scale, followed by Nr. Mike's ratings:

Over Fifty? Steal - 9.1, 4.0
'V' for Vashon: The Father - 8.8, 4.0
Hookman - 8.7, 4.0
'V' for Vashon: The Son - 8.6, 4.0
'V' for Vashon: The Patriarch - 8.4, 4.0
Retire in Sunny Hawaii... Forever - 8.4, 4.0
One Born Every Minute - 8.4, 3.0
Nine Dragons - 8.3, 4.0
Chain of Events - 8.3, 3.0
The Jinn Who Clears the Way - 8.2, 3.5
One Big Happy Family - 8.2, 4.0
The Listener - 8.2, 3.0
Draw Me a Killer - 8.2, 4.0
Rest in Peace, Somebody - 8.1, 3.5
Death with Father - 8.1, 3.5
A Capitol Crime - 8.1, 3.0
Tour De Force, Killer Aboard - 8.1, 3.0
3,000 Crooked Miles to Honolulu - 8.1, 3.0
Yesterday Died and Tomorrow Won't Be Born - 8.1, 4.0
The Last of the Great Paperhangers - 8.0, 3.0
Dealer's Choice... Blackmail - 8.0, 3.0
Murder Is a Taxing Affair - 8.0, 3.0
Death Is a Company Policy - 8.0, 2.5
Trouble in Mind - 8.0 , 4.0
Skinhead - 8.0, 4.0

4.0 – 12
3.5 – 3
3.0 – 9
2.5 -1

Added: August 29 2017 11:58:43 AM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

That's right, Fred. The corresponding pics totally don't match the episodes. The whole thing just has a haphazard feel, like it was thrown together without much preparation or thought. Especially the episode choices. Even the Vashon episodes are all scattered around. Those belong together as one. And certainly "The Father" is a stronger entry than "The Son". I like "Deadly Courier" (for a season 11 episode) but what's it doing on that list? "Frozen Assets"? "Invitation to Murder" where McGarrett becomes Agatha Christie? Gimme a break! Seems like a rush job to me. Or maybe those are all the episodes that the person has seen. Who knows? "Cry, Lie" is a popular choice because it's Chin-centric. But it wouldn't make my top 25. Even though it's very good. But just from the 6th season alone you could pick out 10 episodes (easy!!) to put into your top 25.

Added: August 29 2017 11:33:35 AM


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth

You're half right Mr. Mike. Your comparison means that we need to be more harsh on your ratings as well! :) Just kidding about that.

You make a good point. Still, there are several episodes that should not be in their top 25. I would say that you probably have 20 or 30 more 4 star episodes. A lot of those would be more deserving than some of their listed 4 star episodes, like Hookman, as Ringfire pointed out.

Added: August 29 2017 11:21:33 AM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I think you guys are being kind of harsh on this list. This uses my own ratings...

01. Over Fifty? Steal! - 4
02. The Ransom – 3½
03. Forty Feet High And It Kills! - 4
04. Just Lucky, I Guess - 4
05. Cry, Lie - 4
06. 'V' For Vashon: The Son (1) - 4
07. To Kill Or Be Killed - 4
08. Pray Love Remember, Pray Love Remember - 4
09. 'V' For Vashon: The Father (2) - 4
10. A Bullet For McGarrett - 2
11. Nine Dragons (1) - 4
12. Nine Dragons (2) - 4
13. Air Cargo -- Dial For Murder - 2½
14. The Last Of The Great Paperhangers - 3
15. Most Likely To Murder - 4
16. One Big Happy Family - 4
17. 'V' For Vashon: The Patriarch (3) - 4
18. The Joker's Wild, Man, Wild! - 3½
19. Elegy In A Rain Forest - 4
20. I'll Kill 'Em Again - 4
21. Frozen Assets - 2½
22. Nightmare Road - 2
23. Invitation To Murder - 2
24. Paniolo - 3
25. Deadly Courier - ½

4 stars – 14 (Nine Dragons is actually a 1-part show)
3½ stars – 2
3 stars – 2
2½ stars – 2
2 stars – 3
½ star – 1

Added: August 29 2017 10:17:36 AM


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth

That's a crazy top 25. And several of the pictures they used for the show titles are from different episodes. I think the one for I'll Kill 'Em Again is from No Blue Skies. The one for The Joker's Wild is from A Thousand Pardons. And the one for "V" for Vashon - The Patriarch is from "The Father".

At any rate. Lots of duds in there and not a lot of love for Season 6, my favorite. Only One Big Happy Family, which might not crack my top 5 for that season. Nightmare Road is in there? Dumb.

Added: August 29 2017 09:15:14 AM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I caught this "best episodes of Five-O" countdown on YouTube (the 25 best episodes) and it's a pretty strange countdown. Seems really random to me. Not only do we have episodes on there that shouldn't even be anywhere near the top 25 (Frozen Assets, Invitation to Murder, Deadly Courier) but they're all kind of thrown together in a strange hodgepodge. Plus there are some absolute classics that aren't even on there. Maybe there are still many episodes that the reviewer hasn't seen?? I mean where's "Hookman"? Where's "Rest In Peace, Somebody"? Not a single season 1 episode? But "Air Cargo-Dial for Murder" is on there?

I can guarantee one thing - nothing from the last 3 seasons would make my list. The closest would be "The Skyline Killer".

Anyway see for yourselves: https://youtu.be/sRy_oDjDXno

Added: August 29 2017 08:31:27 AM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

John, the hair dryer is the perfect weapon when you're trying to make it look like a woman did it. Keep in mind that Arthur was setting Cathy up for the murder.

Mike, rest assured yours was the first review I read :) I figured you'd give it a favorable review as well. But using an orange as bait to catch fish? Does that work?

Added: August 28 2017 08:01:07 PM


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

TIME AND MEMORIES Review Season 3.
Time and Memories is remembered for the interesting and vivid McGarrett flashbacks of his Navy officer days and his former girlfriend Cathy. They flood back to McG these memories when he investigates the murder of Frank Wallis, Cathy's husband. Cathy is the prime suspect after calling McG early 3 AM and Frank's body is later found at the beach house. An unusual weapon hair dryer was used to murder Frank which would point to Cathy. McG is emotionally involved in the case and does a good job trying to find the real perpetrator. Several suspects emerge including Joan Wallis the daughter, her fiancé Arthur Dixon, Roswell Borden a business associate of Frank. Time And Memories is a solid Season 3 episode but not in the Top 5. There are several questions how the perpetrator pulled this off with the time constraints and the hair dryer an odd weapon of choice. Good symmetry as Joan & Arthur are in a similar point in their relationship as McG & Cathy were years before. Time And Memories earns 4 stars out of 6. JC

Added: August 28 2017 06:51:59 PM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Ringfire, here is my review of "Kono's amazing journey":

http://fiveohomepage.com/2010-log5.htm#23

I have reviewed all of the episodes, y' know. :!devil:

Added: August 28 2017 06:38:01 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Fred, I think you're right. I love well-scored episodes but I guess I'm not too big on those that feature too much in the way of musicians and singers taking center stage. I love Tiger by the Tail but it doesn't bother me that Bobby George is a lounge singer because after his opening act he gets kidnapped and from then on it just builds up suspense and doesn't let up. With episodes like No Blue Skies or Number One With a Bullet (which I actually like more now than I once did) there's just too much singing which gets in the way of the main story, although I do dig all those disco songs in the latter. I guess episodes about the music industry don't appeal to me as much because there's only so much suspense you can suss out of it. I guess the same applies to sitcoms too.

Trouble in Mind is actually a very good episode but we're talking about season 3 here. It's tough to squeeze it into my top 10. But hey I did place it ahead of The Payoff :) It does have an absolute mind-blower of an ending!! Probably the most powerful ending of them all, maybe even more powerful than To Kill Or Be Killed's ending. Makes you just sit there in silence, staring at the black screen.

Added: August 28 2017 11:32:31 AM


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth

Ringfire,

Our #1 & #6 are the indeed the same. But I think I'm seeing a pattern for both of us. I value musically featured episodes higher and you lower. Trouble in Mind 14? Ok, that's your opinion.

So, if I have this straight, I really like No Blue Skies, Trouble in Mind and from Gilligan's Island, The Producer and Don't Bug the Mosquitoes. None of these would you rank very high. We both like Tiger by the Tail, but that one is only a marginal musical episode.

Season 11, Number One With a Bullet, may break that trend.

But, it's an interesting pattern. Sort of like Mr. Mike's fear of Fear episodes for The Streets of San Francisco. :)

Added: August 28 2017 10:34:11 AM


Submitted by: honu59
From: New York

Ringfire, I agree with your statements about "Five Faux." The original show was indeed a cop show and a fine one. The shows were about the team solving crimes. In the course of solving those crimes, we got to see the interactions of the detectives and their personalities. From that, we knew that they cared about one another and had strong bonds of friendship. This was a conclusion based on what we saw, not what we were told. I don't think that I ever heard the word "ohana" spoken on the original show, but I could be wrong. The new show tries way too hard to force this concept down our throats and because of this, it seems very phony.

Added: August 28 2017 04:57:05 AM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

John, "Over Fifty" is an all-timer!! Never gets old no matter how many times you watch. I almost have the whole thing memorized. Between Hume Cronyn, all the analyzing that Five-O do trying to pinpoint Filer's "bank", and the Morton Stevens score (probably his very best!) it's just a joy to watch again and again. A delightful episode! I think it speaks volumes that I have it at #1 for such a strong season.

And now I'll chime in on Five-Faux for a sec. I checked out the season 5 episode last night where Kono goes on that catamaran ride around the islands and gets stranded with just her paddle board in the middle of a storm. A very good episode! A battle for survival. It's very similar to the classic MAGNUM episode "Home from the Sea" where Magnum is knocked off his board and has to tread water for 20 some odd hours before he gets rescued. I wouldn't be surprised if that episode wasn't the inpiration. Both even feature flashbacks where Magnum/Kono recall as kids being taught how to swim/paddle by dad/mom. At least Kono had her board. Poor Magnum didn't even have that. I enjoy character-driven stories like those. In a case like this the whole "ohana" thing makes sense. Problem is when they try to shove this ohana nonsense into every single episode. This is supposed to be a cop show. Not some mushy extended family ohana soap opera. Anyone have any thoughts on this episode?

Added: August 27 2017 07:34:13 PM


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

RINGFIRE-A strong Classic Hawaii Five O Season 3 list. I don't have Over Fifty? Steal quite as high. Several incredible Season 3 episodes. It's definitely my FAV season. Beautiful Screamer and The Second Shot are 2 episodes that would be #1 or #2 in a weaker season. It's amazing over 40 or 45 years how well the HFO episodes hold up in quality acting and writing. To Kill or Be Killed is one of those episodes. An older brother in the War and the younger doesn't want to report. The final Act of To Kill Or Be Killed 1 of the most emotional and outstanding in the entire series. JC

Added: August 27 2017 05:10:54 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Ok, season 3. Here goes...

1. Over Fifty? Steal 2. The Ransom 3. The Bomber and Mrs. Moroney 4. The Second Shot 5. Beautiful Screamer
6. The Reunion 7. The Double Wall 8. The Guarnerius Caper 9. The Late John Louisiana 10. Ten Thousand Diamonds and a Heart
11. And a Time to Die 12. The Gunrunner 13. Time and Memories 14. Trouble in Mind 15. Force of Waves
16. The Payoff 17. F.O.B. Honolulu 18. The Grandstand Play 19. To Kill or Be Killed 20. Paniolo
21. Dear Enemy 22. The Last Eden

Fred, our #1 and #6 is exactly the same. John, our #3 is the same. Mrs. Moroney (Clara from The Andy Griffith Show) was a delightful character. A great humorous addition to a very tense episode! I never saw that episode in reruns, not until the DVD came out.

Added: August 25 2017 08:02:47 PM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Steven, I have no idea why I made that comment about Kathy (Katherine) Cannon in the review of Time and Mamm ... er ... Memories. These reviews were written a long time ago. I guess I confused the two episodes.

Added: August 25 2017 06:30:42 AM


Submitted by: Steven
From: Miami

Katherine Cannon has a bit of "baby fat", as her face is a bit soft, which is quite possible for a teenaged girl. However, teens then also tended to look more mature than in subsequent decades (sorry, Baby Boomers), but at the same time I would not be surprised if her age was innacurate. It seems like female actors subtract from their age whereas male actors add to their height...

Added: August 25 2017 06:08:27 AM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Steven, I always thought there was something curious about Katherine Cannon's birthdate. She always looked at least 10 years older to my eyes (especially later on in the 80s). I agree that she does look pretty young in Time and Memories (though maybe not 16 or 17) but I saw her in a 1980 MAGNUM PI episode and I refuse to believe that she was only 27 there. She looked at least 37 to me!

For some reason I have a hard time believing that she was born in the 50s. Gotta be at least in the late 40s. Either that or she aged way too quickly. Or just looked mature for her age. Especially in the 80s.

Added: August 24 2017 04:35:00 PM


Submitted by: Steven
From: Miami

Mr. Mike:

In your anal-ysis for "Time and Memories" (S3), you wrote:

"Kathy Cannon (later Katherine, who plays Danno's old girl friend in the eleventh season episode A Long Time Ago, looks about 16 years old, even though she was around 27 at the time the episode was filmed."

Katherine Cannon's birthdate is given as September 1953, which means she *would* have been 16 or 17 years old when "Time and Memories" was filmed, unless of course you were referring to Cannon's appearance in "A Long Time Ago."

Added: August 24 2017 12:07:38 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Fred, I think that whole switcheroo that Orwell did with those gems in that "meat wagon" (hehe) was pretty convenient. This whole thing hinged on assuming that those gems would be right beside him during that whole fake heart attack ride in the ambulance. This is hard to swallow because Lennox strikes me as the kind of guy who would be clutching that bag the entire ride, which means that Orwell would have no access to it. If Orwell were good and healthy then I can see the bag maybe being in his possession. But there's no way Lennox would just leave that bag idling there next to a dying man. I can't believe that he was THAT preoccupied with the cops chasing them. But anyway, dramatic license.

My ranking of the 3 masterminds would be: HRH, Connors, Orwell. The first 2 definitely have Orwell beat in the humor department. Orwell is a bit too machine-like, though I still think he's a great character.

Added: August 23 2017 07:59:24 PM


Submitted by: Steven
From: Miami

I watched season 3's "The Payoff" today in honor of our S3 countdown.

The story is memorable for having the emphasis be n the tension between the kidnappers after six years of pressure-cooker existence. The takedown and shootout at the end was well executed, with McGarrett blasting Vince (Albert Salmi), quickly checking what looked to be the fatally-shot creep, and moving on to apprehend Madge. That whole sequence was nicely-handled. Madge was almost sympathetic in how sad and pathetic she had become. Great job from Madlyn Rhue.

The dilapidated state of that semi-open-air(?) flophouse of an apartment building gave me the impression that one could fall through the rotted floor at any given time. I don't think I could have taken another lingering close up of Jase's greasy mug or even worse, that of the landlord's unprepossessing face. Hygiene was definitely NOT a priority with these people. The 1970s is a "feast" for fans of urban blight, that's for s

Paul Carr (Toomey Walsh) got to play a (relative) big-shot , which is a change of pace from what I've seen of him on shows like "Quincy, M.E." and "Mannix." I liked the way his character was polished in that medium-level crime boss way.

Another scene I took note of is the one in McGarrett's office between Steve and Lila (Joyce Van Patten). She says in defense of Jase, "He falls for anything in a skirt!" To which McGarrett replied, "Except you." That's some "cold understanding" of that particular relationship! :D

Added: August 23 2017 05:06:25 PM


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth

Nice lists Steven and John. I'm surprised that Over 50? didn't crack your top 5, John, as it's regarded by most viewers in the top 5 for the whole series. But I can understand that when you watch it multiple times, the gags aren't as funny anymore.

Ben - The Reunion is very good. Simon Oakland blows a gasket when no one believes, but I think that's what Oakland does in nearly all his appearances, like Nehemiah Persoff does on every show he's on.

Ringfire, great question about Ossie Connors vs. Sheldon Orwell. There's no question in my mind that I like Ten Thousand Diamonds and a Heart more. But with the episode, you get Paul Stewart and Logan Ramsey. Although, it's hard to believe that Lennox never looked in his bag to see that Orwell had conned him with the switch. Obviously, it made for better TV. Connors is ruthless and vengeful. Orwell is more calculating and cool as a cucumber under pressure. I think I like Orwell better. And both of them over Hunter Hickey. But that's not to say Paperhanger won't be in my top ten. It will be for that season, maybe even top 5.

Added: August 23 2017 03:41:30 PM


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

I rate Season 3 Classic HFO as my FAV edging out 6. My Top 5 Season 3 would be: 1.F.O B. Honolulu 2.The Reunion 3.The Bomber & Mrs. Moroney 4.The Late John Louisiana 5.Ten Thousand Diamonds And A Heart. To Kill Or Be Killed, Beautiful Screamer, Over Fifty? Steal and several excellent episodes couldn't break into the Top 5. JC

Added: August 23 2017 03:01:56 PM


Submitted by: Steven
From: Miami

Season 3 top ten:

10) To Kill or Be Killed
9) F.O.B. Honolulu
8) The Ransom
7) And a Time to Die
6) The Payoff
5) Beautiful Screamer
4) Over Fifty? Steal!
3) The Grandstand Play
2) Trouble in Mind
1) Ten Thousand Diamonds and a Heart

Added: August 23 2017 01:22:45 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Two heist masterminds - Ossie Connors vs. Sheldon Orwell. Who do you prefer? Both are great characters and played by fine actors. Orwell seems to be a more technical precisionist whereas Connors is also a killer (and delights in making cops look like "boobs"). I think performance wise I'd probably give William Windom the edge. Love the way he plays Connors! One of my favorite villains from season 2. If I were to compare the episodes it would probably be a tie. I love both!

In some ways Connors is similar to Hunter R. Hickey in the Paperhangers episode. Both want to stick it to McGarrett. Orwell doesn't seem interested in that. He's more pragmatic. He just cares about the score.

Added: August 23 2017 11:22:55 AM


Submitted by: Ben
From: Harrisburg, PA

Yeah, the Reunion is a great episode, probably my personal favorite from Season 3. The guy who plays Shigato turns in a great performance... and he has really cool hair! I think he was in You Only Live Twice and played a somewhat similar character.

Added: August 23 2017 09:16:46 AM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Just in case you have forgotten (I first mentioned this on August 10th), McGarrett is getting a dog next season:

http://cartermatt.com/263520/hawaii-five-0-season-8-spoilers-mcg arretts-getting-dog/

I wouldn’t be surprised to see Lenkov eventually make a tweet along the same lines as this famous cover from National Lampoon saying "If you don’t watch or like my show, I’m going to kill the dog," LOL.

https://sharanv07.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/7301cover_l.jpg?w=869

Added: August 23 2017 06:35:39 AM


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth

Ringfire,

You make lots of good arguments for "The Ransom". The scene where McGarrett almost breaks down about Kono is a winner.

Same goes for the scene you mention with Wo Fat and the girl in "And a Time to Die". For a moment, he seemed like nice guy. He still was going to snuff her lights out, but it was a great couple of scenes.

You almost make a good argument on "The Second Shot". I'll think on that one some more, but it won't crack my top 10. :)

"Dear Enemy" is clearly on the bottom. BORING!!

Added: August 22 2017 03:36:41 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Fred, I agree. Khigh Dhiegh's best acting was in "And a Time to Die". Superb performance! I just love when he lapses into sentimentality there, if only for a moment. His scenes with the little girl are very touching. You almost forget for a second that this is the same monster who put all those agents into that cocoon and sucked out their brains! Also love his line "I'm not interested in your approval, Doctor... Only your cooperation".

Yes the premise in "The Second Shot" is a bit of a stretch but that's what makes it interesting. As you say "dramatic license". It's the same reason we both love "Here Today Gone Tonight". I'm sure Mike would argue that premise is even more preposterous. As long as you can accept the fact that Marburg was committed to the cause (even a suicide mission) and that the shooter was one of the best marksmen in the world then the rest works out beautifully. I buy it!

Oh yeah, Sea Life Park is definitely a big highlight of "The Ransom" for me. Like you I also visited there and saw that exact dolphin (and wholphin lol) show as was depicted on the show. Amazing how little has changed in all those years! On top of that as we watched the show the Five-O theme came blaring through the loudspeakers. This was back in 2008, before the reboot. You can imagine how excited I got. But the episode is just great from start to finish and it really ratchets up when they kidnap Kono! It still gets to me when they work him over and McGarrett's reaction when he sees the picture. Brilliant stuff!!

"GOOD...MORNING... MISTER...BLAKE". Gave me the willies back in the day.

Added: August 22 2017 03:08:53 PM


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth

When I had first watched all the Five-O episodes, I was a pretty big Wo Fat fan. Over time, not as much. I liked his role in a "And a Time to Die" and I liked O'Laughlin.

And Ringfire, you're right about FOB lagging. Almost all the two part episodes do that. Too much script/intrigue for an hour and not nearly enough for two hours.

I'm not a fan of "Second Shot". The premise of shooting Marburg from how far away, 500 yards give or take? And hitting a moving target at the exact spot on his body, not a 1/2 an inch in any direction? Just to get the confidence of Lemeira? Plus, to me, it seemed like a suicide mission from the start. So why not just take out Lemeira when you can and not worry about the bodyguards. I'm a fan of dramatic license, but I guess I'm discriminating.

I like "Ransom". I like all the episodes when they get to go to Sea Life Park (been there myself). But, not in my top 10 or 12 as I had listed. My problem is that I get this one confused with the Mr. Frog episode from from the previous season. They seem identical in my aging mind. And is McGarrett that great of a super cop that he could hit Jerry, from Newhart, while he's speeding away on a little boat while trying to shake of the effects of getting splashed in his face with gasoline? But I admit, Duggan and his co-conspirators are pretty good.

And remember, for me, Season 3 is very good. Something not in the top 10 may be if it was in another season, like maybe Season 4.

Added: August 22 2017 12:57:13 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Fred, yes going by the production number it looks like Paniolo was the second episode filmed (which also explains how Frank Silvera was still alive) but it wasn't shown until much later. I don't know when Ray scored the music for the episode. My guess is that the scoring begins shortly after the filming ends. That's why I assume that it was scored earlier than The Payoff. Also The Payoff consists entirely of stock music (no new cues there). The Payoff was definitely filmed much later, even though it was shown earlier.

No "Ransom" and "Second Shot" on that list? For my money The Ransom is the best kidnap episode I've ever seen on any show! And the Second Shot is without a doubt the best espionage story the show ever did, better than any Wo Fat episode. Which is why I'm sometimes perplexed by so much Wo Fat love. He's definitely a great character but his espionage episodes are often overshadowed by the non-Fat ones. F.O.B. Honolulu is a case in point. Great premise but it takes a while to get going, and then large swathes of time are spent just observing Nicole Fleming lounging around the pool area. Fine looking lady but it just goes on forever, while various other parties are making deals and counter deals for those plates. Just not enough suspense in my opinion. You've got a 2-part episode which is basically one long auction for the plates. The only real moment of interest is when you find out that Nicholson has gone rogue.

Added: August 22 2017 12:00:25 PM


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth

My Season 3 Top 10 Favorites:

1) Over Fifty? Steal
2) Trouble in Mind
3) The Payoff
4) Ten Thousand Diamonds and a Heart
5) The Late John Louisiana
6) The Reunion
7) Beautiful Screamer
8) Paniolo
9) And a Time to Die
10) Grandstand Play

Just barely not making it was The Guanerius Caper and F.O.B. Honolulu.

Added: August 22 2017 11:28:02 AM


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Classic HFO Fans. I really enjoyed The Second Shot Season 3. Have seen parts of it over the years. Could make it Top 5. Klaus the journalist and assassin is played expertly by Eric Braeden. It is an interesting plot. The real journalist Klaus Marburg has already been killed and replaced by the fake one. His assignment is to take a bullet very close to the heart after flying to Honolulu. All this stuff is done expertly so Klaus can assassinate Greek Doctor Lemira who is exiled in Hawaii. Klaus and Dr. Lemira have had a correspondence over a few years. Dr. Lemira brings Klaus to his estate to convalesce after the shooting. The suspense builds when Klaus recognizes the hit man outside the hospital facility and McG and shoots the man in self-defense. McG believes Klaus to be the hit man but does he arrive in time. The Second Shot deserves at least 5 stars out of 6. JC

Added: August 21 2017 06:05:08 PM


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth

In reviewing my Season 3 Top Ten, I realized that "The Payoff" aired before "Paniolo". So, Paniolo could not have been the first episode aired with that "Gilligan's Island" music. But was it the first episode filmed with the music?

The main guest star, Frank Silvera who played Frank Kuakua, died in June of 1970. The episode didn't air until December of 1970. Six months later! And the episode would have been filmed earlier than his death, I would have to think.

Added: August 21 2017 03:55:20 PM


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth

Regarding Season 3, I will prepare my top 10. This will be tougher for me as I enjoyed Season 3 much more than the first two seasons.

Top will probably be "Over 50?..Steal!" and bottom, for sure, will be "Dear Enemy".

Added: August 21 2017 03:33:13 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Is it just me or did Kam Fong lose a lot of weight as he aged? Compare his face in season 1 (round and pudgy) to season 9 (much longer and more gaunt looking). Typically you don't lose weight as you age, you gain it. Especially if you're already chubby. I wonder if there was some sort of health issue he was dealing with. Anyone know anything? He's also gaunt looking at the 1996 reunion but by then he was much much older.

Since we're talking season 3 episodes I better start thinking how I would rank that whole season.

Added: August 21 2017 12:24:25 PM


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth

Someone did day that particular music started in Paniolo. I believe it. They probably used it 10-15 times over the next season. It was during the Payoff episode that I decided to post about it.

There's another music clip that they use in the military themed episodes, like "Follow the White Brick Road". I'm pretty sure it was also in a Gilligan's Island episode or two.

On "The Gunrunner", Cunningham was definitely a licensed arms dealer. And I think it was even legal to sell it to the fake nation he was selling it to. But it was a controversial sale as you're picking a side in a local civil war. The kidnapping was set up to drive up the prices of the guns. Kind of dumb really, but that's dramatic license for you.

Added: August 21 2017 08:49:40 AM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

John, I might need to check "The Gunrunner" again but my guess is that he was a legit weapons dealer, meaning he was allowed to buy and sell weapons. So I'm guessing he did have some sort of license.

Fred, I watched "Paniolo" and after the first commercial wave (when Danno is on the phone with McG from the Maui hotel) you hear that sound that you mentioned in "The Payoff" (the postcard transition scene). AKA the Gilligan's Island sound :) I think someone mentioned that this is the first episode where this sound is heard. Looking at the production number it looks like this was the second filmed episode of the season, so it definitely came before "The Payoff". Personally I don't know whether this sound was used anywhere in seasons 1 or 2.

Added: August 20 2017 08:23:38 PM


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

I have to agree with Fred on The Killer Bee. Will have to put it at the bottom of Season 2. What a depressing episode! There's nothing positive I could think about. That mother is cold and negative and kidnapping the boys was creepy. Sweet Terror is a FAV because Stauss is 1 of the best villains of the show. It's an intelligent plan to infect the sugar crop. I really enjoy All The King's Horses after every watch. So many interesting characters. Finney a little grouchy but he turned his life around. The hitman would be SOL today as many of these courthouses have metal detectors now to prevent a shooting like what was presented in All The King's Horses. My sister was always a fan of Forty Feet High...! An excellent WO FAT episode! The different Top 5 and Top 10's shows the depth of Season 2 Classic HFO. Mr. Mike and the HFO regulars maybe you know this answer. In The Gunrunner, the Ben Cunningham character was this arms dealer and his wife Claire is kidnapped. Would there be a special license or something a gun dealer would have? It's strange that a man would have an armada of different weapons to sell to other countries. This Ben's occupation didn't seem to faze HFO. Guess it's legal somehow. JC

Added: August 20 2017 07:52:56 PM


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

I have to agree with Fred on The Killer Bee. Will have to put it at the bottom of Season 2. What a depressing episode! There's nothing positive I could think about. That mother is cold and negative and kidnapping the boys was creepy. Sweet Terror is a FAV because Stauss is 1 of the best villains of the show. It's an intelligent plan to infect the sugar crop. I really enjoy All The King's Horses after every watch. So many interesting characters. Finney a little grouchy but he turned his life around. The hitman would be SOL today as many of these courthouses have metal detectors now to prevent a shooting like what was presented in All The King's Horses. My sister was always a fan of Forty Feet High...! An excellent WO FAT episode! The different Top 5 and Top 10's shows the depth of Season 2 Classic HFO. Mr. Mike and the HFO regulars maybe you know this answer. In The Gunrunner, the Ben Cunningham character was this arms dealer and his wife Claire is kidnapped. Would there be a special license or something a gun dealer would have? It's strange that a man would have an armada of different weapons to sell to other countries. This Ben's occupation didn't seem to faze HFO. Guess it's legal somehow. JC

Added: August 20 2017 06:01:30 PM


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth

The Singapore File is great. McGarrett has to travel to unfriendly Singapore to rescue a key witness. He can't trust anyone like he can in Hawaii. Later, McGarrett almost shows that he's human, nearly succumbing to the female charms of Marj Dusay. I'm pretty sure I would have succumb. :) And you get the multiple suspect threat similar to "Murder on the Orient Express" on the ship. I would say the only drawback, and they are minor, is that they're always on Oahu. When Dusay is running down a block in Singapore, she's actually on King Street in Honolulu Chinatown, running past the Bank of Hawaii near Maunakea Street. And the final scene is at the famous Byodo-In monastery, opposite Honolulu on the north side (not the North Shore) of Oahu.

Added: August 20 2017 03:47:20 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Fred, I totally disagree that Killer Bee belongs in season 12. No way!! To me it's classic Five-O all the way! You say "psychotic mumbo jumbo" but that's a Five-O trademark - every psycho and serial killer story employed this type of mumbo jumbo. It's all about the execution, and personally I find Killer Bee VERY suspenseful and creepy. The kidnapping of those kids by George is disturbing. As are his constant attempts to drive poor Ted into deeper insanity. Ted is a very sympathetic character, his mother is a cold witch, and George is a complete psycho!! His Korean War secret that he's hiding is the real clincher though! You have to especially remember how relevant this must have been back in 1970, around the time of the Mai Lai massacre and other war atrocities.

Now, if you want to argue whether George's overly complicated plan to cover up his crime (i.e. putting Ted out of commission) is the most feasible course of action then I'll grant you that much. It seems like Ted is the only real threat for George. If that's the case then why not just run him over with a car or arrange some kind of accident for him? Surely that's more logical then systematically trying to drive him insane while placing yourself at risk each time you kidnap another child. But then the story wouldn't be nearly as fascinating would it? The creepy score during the child-napping scenes is by Richard Shores from "A Bullet for McGarrett" (when Farrar is hypnotizing Joyce).

Added: August 20 2017 03:42:23 PM


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth

Killer Bee belongs in Season 12. Garbage, in my opinion. Psychotic mumbo jumbo. And not one psychotic character, but two. The script just doesn't do it for me.

I used to like Nightmare Road more, but Charles Aidman's performance wore on me over the years. And I thought it was lame that Theresa, an Asian beauty, is the niece of the English/German guy. Ringfire is right about the script though, it's a good one. Lots of intrigue and forethought.

But I like Steven's list! It's way different from mine and that's great, but it shows that Five-O has something for everyone.

Added: August 20 2017 02:33:49 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Yes I thought Lord's chemistry with Marj Dusay was fantastic in Singapore File. No one else ever came close! Compare with Diana Muldaur in Time and Memories - I dunno, she came across kinda icy and I just never really found her attractive. I never really bought into that whole romance.

Nightmare Road has a really cool scenario - setting up the scientist for a murder he didn't commit. I actually really dig that whole dilemma of him trying to decide whether he should he go with them to their country or turn himself in. His love for Teresa vs listening to common sense. I really dig the pile driver clue too! Just a great episode from beginning to end, never dull. Enemy agents, foreign submarines, top secret project, scientist in love, murder - what's not to love?? Plus you've got the very English Ronald Long hamming it up as Hans Kreuter (German?). Great stuff!

Oh, and so little love for Killer Bee!!

Added: August 20 2017 12:42:14 PM


Submitted by: Steven
From: Miami

My second season top ten: 10) Cry, Lie 9) The Devil and Mr. Frog 8) Nightmare Road 7) A Bullet for McGarrett 6) Singapore File 5) Three Dead Cows at Makapuu 4) Leopard on the Rock 3) Sweet Terror 2) Forty Feet High and it Kills! 1) A Thousand Pardons...You’re Dead!

"He died for trash like you! *Because* of trash like you!" I often look for reasons to quote that line but haven't been able to use it so that it "fits" the context. :D That and the "Ling Po" dialogue from "Draw Me a Killer."

Despite "A Thousand Pardons…" being my second favorite episode of all time, I am otherwise not much of a season two fan, though I have great affection for the two Wo Fat episodes and Sweet Terror and of course there are many fine moments spread throughout the season.

Added: August 20 2017 03:59:40 AM


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

RINGFIRE-I have The Singapore File as my #1 for Season 2 as well. It has a little of everything. I like when McG shoots the bald cop in Singapore and they don't know who to trust. They make a sexy couple too and have a great chemistry. I also like their windswept hair in the back of the trunk and the temple shootout. Agree on A Bullet for McGarrett. It's solid start to finish. That's nerve-racking when McG & Dr. Farrar fight it out and the lady cop shoots. I also enjoyed the diving board shooting quite inventive. Good acting Eric Braeden as Dr. Farrar. Nightmare Road would be near the bottom for me. It starts fast but then gets painted into a corner. The Dr.Scientist spends most of the last half of the episode debating whether to call the police or not. Just average fare. JC

Added: August 20 2017 03:55:07 AM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Ok, as promised, ranking all of season 2. My first 2 are pretty much a tie - you could flip them anytime.

1. The Singapore File 2. A Bullet for McGarrett 3. Blind Tiger 4. Nightmare Road 5. Killer Bee
6. A Thousand Pardons - You're Dead 7. Leopard on the Rock 8. Just Lucky, I Guess 9. Which Way Did They Go? 10. Sweet Terror
11. The Joker's Wild, Man, Wild 12. Forty Feet High and It Kills! 13. Cry, Lie 14. Most Likely to Murder 15. Run, Johnny, Run
16. Kiss the Queen Goodbye 17. King Kamehameha Blues 18. The One With the Gun 19. All the King's Horses 20. The Devil and Mr. Frog
21. Savage Sunday 22. Three Dead Cows at Makapuu 23. To Hell With Babe Ruth

P.S. I've come to peace with not understanding why Bullet for McGarrett doesn't get any love around here. :p I'll never understand it but it's cool. Likewise Nightmare Road is one of the very best espionage shows in my opinion but it doesn't get any love. Go figure...

Added: August 19 2017 09:08:52 PM


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth

Nice list John. King's Horses is not a favorite of mine, but I like the rest.

Mr. Mike: Not wanting to cause problems, but as long as you have the ability to set up multiple discussion forums under the old format, how about setting up separate forums for the old and new Five-Os? :)

Added: August 19 2017 09:31:02 AM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I dunno...

http://www.staradvertiser.com/2017/08/18/features/five-0-redux/ despite-critics-caan-definitely-five-0-fan-favorite/

Added: August 19 2017 09:25:00 AM


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Great Top 10 List Fred. So many great ones from Classic HFO Season 2. Will list a Top 5. 1.The Singapore Fire 2.All The King's Horses 3.Forty Feet High And It Kills! 4.Cry, Lie 5.Just Lucky, I Guess.JC

Added: August 18 2017 04:43:32 PM


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth

Season 2 Top Ten:

1 - Just Lucky, I Guess
2 - The Joker's Wild, Man, Wild!
3 - The Singapore File
4 - The One with the Gun
5 - Which Way Did They Go?
6 - Kiss the Queen Goodbye
7 - Blind Tiger
8 - King Kamehameha Blues
9 - Cry Lie
10 - Most Likely to Murder

Added: August 18 2017 04:18:25 PM


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Outside The Box

Glad to oblige, Mr. Rick, Fred. Chicken always cooperate with the agencies a law enforcement.  

But Chicken still sore at McGarrett. I hate his livin insides. Indeed, I do

Ringfire - I'll stick around for them season 2 faves, bruddah.  Cause that Chahlee Bombay is a cancer that feeds on society - and your part a that society.  You think you can close your eyes to what he is and what he does?

Think Ole Chahlee give The Chicken a run fo' his money as all-time best Five-O villain. They shoulda brought Al back for a two-fer like The Chick.

Bombay All The Way!

Added: August 17 2017 11:35:00 PM


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth

If Ringfire is going to list Season 2 favorites, I'll start it off by saying my 3 favorites are "Just Lucky, I Guess" (HEY LOO!), "Singapore File" and "The Joker is Wild, Man, Wild!". Those are the top three, but not necessarily in that order.

I'll work on a top ten as well and it will include some that Mr. Mike has down the list like "Kiss the Queen Goodbye".

Added: August 17 2017 04:45:43 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Hey Chick, how goes it bruddah? We was just rappin' bout you and here you show up, right as rain, baby! As Toshi (Al Harrington) said in The Box "how you know, brah??".

I'm about to rank all the season 2 episodes so stick around. You can bet Chah-lee Bombay won't be too far down the list. Because when people like you get involved, REALLY INVOLVED, wake up! The rats, the snakes, they're gone! All pau, bruddah!

So stick around, Loo. Hey listen, Loo! Listen, it's Chah-lee Bombay, Loo. Hey Loo!

Added: August 17 2017 02:39:53 PM


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth

Good to see Big Chicken again. :)

Added: August 17 2017 09:11:50 AM


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

Chicken, it's good to see that you came down from the Little Jungle to talk to us voluntarily.

I wouldn't blame you for being sore with McG bustin' your lip and all ...and even after you gave him Annie, Danno's get-out-of-jail free card. Peace.

Added: August 17 2017 09:10:10 AM


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

Chicken, it's good to see that you came down from the Little Jungle to talk to us voluntarily.

I wouldn't blame you for being sore with McG bustin' your lip and all ...and even after you gave him Annie, Danno's get-out-of-jail free card. Peace.

Added: August 17 2017 09:09:56 AM


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Sea-Town, No-No West

Hey Ringfire & Fred:  You wanna talk to Big Chicken - all you gotta do is ask. And here I am. 

Chicken couldn't miss no rap session bout the great inaugural first season. RingFire, many thanks for the shout out brudda!

Besides that foot chase at the conclude, "Not That Much Different" rates for Chicken due to some a the best McGarrett speecifyin a the whole series! Jus love Steve-O settin them condescendin peacenicks straight.  Thats right up there with McG's awesome oratin from 'Just Lucky.'

Chicken always dug "Blue Skies" too.  Tommy's Lounge Lizard/cat burglar a bit small fry for the Five-O, but that's why is so cool when Steve & the boys bring the hammer down on Joey's whole operation. Always dug hearin them Sands nightclub tunes when the ep came on the WOR Channel 9 in the NYC, back in the day, and watchin Kono overturn that niteclub table. Great insights on that ep, Rick. Right on, brudda, right on.

The trippin/psychedelia in "Up Tight" was make it so cool, Ringfire. Yeah, great, great score by Stevens.  Probably Ed Flanders flashiest Five-O role as groovy guru David Stone. A bit of an odd nemesis for ole Steve but great openin and conclude scenery on that Oahu Cliff

Lastly, here's Chicken's top S1 faves:

Painted Daisies
Deathwatch
Pray Love Remember
24 Karat Kill
Tiger by the Tail
The Box

Added: August 16 2017 08:46:00 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Five-O was already on ME-TV about 2 years back but then got taken off. Looks like it's back. I didn't bother with it because it aggravates me to no end when they go as far as to cut out the commercial waves (which add so much the show and are such an integral part of the suspense building) in order to squeeze in as much commercial time as possible. No thanks. I remember when I used to watch the show in the 90s and early 00s they used to leave the commercial wave in place, which is how I came to love the show in the first place. It's ridiculous what they're doing now.

Under that Five-O promo is a T.J. Hooker promo - also coming to ME-TV on Aug. 21. I own seasons 1 and 2 of that show. For the longest time that's all that was available. Sales weren't very good so they decided not to release the rest. But just recently some other company (my guess would be Shout Factory) released the entire series box set. I don't think I'll bother with it, even though seasons 3 and 4 were probably the best. James Darren joined the cast in season 3. But I see that many of them are available on dailymotion.

Added: August 16 2017 08:07:20 PM


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Great Classic HFO talk. I agree with Fred and Steven on No Blue Skies. It is a very good episode. The truth is the singing numbers were catchy and who can forget the singer arriving on stage just in time. Mr. Mike, thanks for the ME-TV episode. They usually go from Season 1-7 and return to 1 again.

Added: August 16 2017 06:12:06 PM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Starting next week, Classic #H50 returns to ME-TV at 6 PM 5 Central running Monday-Friday starting with the pilot episode and it looks like using the DVD transfers.

https://youtu.be/xrpEuZle7Wc

Added: August 16 2017 05:00:52 PM


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth

I'm happy to see the support for "No Blue Skies". Steven is absolutely right about the beginning scene where Tommy Sands is committing his crimes but gets back in the nick of time to do his set. Sands plays a lovable loser that just can't catch a break. It's appealing to me and the music is catchy. I may have over stretched myself by placing it number 1, but I'm okay with it being there.

I wouldn't place Up Tight as high as Steven, but like I said, the more I watch it, the better I like it. Ringfire is right about the trippy music and the father's pain/anger from losing his daughter is compelling.

Added: August 16 2017 04:59:15 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"Up Tight" at #1, eh? I remember the first time I saw it I thought it was a really weird episode. I mean it is pretty darn trippy!! But as someone already mentioned it is an episode that grows on you each time you watch it. That whole business at the hospital with all those hop-heads kinda freaked me out. Which of course was the point and it IS very effective. As is Morton's psychedelic score and all those swirling illusions from the POV of Brenda Scott and later Ed Flanders. Very good direction by Seymour Robbie (who also did the superb "The Box"). He's one of the few directors who never came back after season 1. The others being Herschel Daughterty (who gave us the stellar "Deathwatch" and "Yesterday Died"), Alvin Ganzer, Jack Shea (who did "King of the Hill"), and Michael Caffey.

Added: August 16 2017 08:43:23 AM


Submitted by: Steven
From: Miami

"No Blue Skies" has long been a S1 favorite of mine, and I rank it #5 for that season. Love the pre-credits bit of him burgling the hotel and then getting back in time to sing.

My top 10 for S1 looks like this: 10) Samurai 9) The Box 8) Six Kilos 7) And They Painted Daisies on his Coffin 6) Deathwatch 5) No Blue Skies 4) The Ways of Love 3) Once Upon a Time 2) Cocoon 1) Up Tight

Added: August 16 2017 05:50:01 AM


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

I've tried to talk up 'No Blue Skies' on this site before but it doesn't get much love. I wouldn't rank it the season's number one show, the plot is a little thin but it is a favorite of mine.

The cat burglar angle is a bit much but as a degenerate gambler Tommy Sands plays a very compelling loser lol! Anyway I dig the snappy dialogue he uses and that great scene as it's all crashing down on him at the end. One by one the Five-O team files into the lounge from all angles while 'Joey Rand' is on stage doing his act, singing and oblivious to what the viewer knows, which is that he just got his faithful attendant killed, his girl has flipped on him, and it's all over. Good stuff.

Added: August 15 2017 09:58:43 PM


Submitted by: Ringfire
From: Philadelphia

Fred, I typically reply as Jerry Bay-Bee (no waaay bay-bee, but no waaaaaay!!) but I sure do miss our old friend Big Chicken from Seattle.

I agree that the foot chase across those jagged cliffs (at Kaena Point) at the end of "Not That Much Different" is nothing short of spectacular! Those stuntmen better have gotten a nice pay for that day. That was some truly hair-raising stuff there!

P.S. "No Blue Skies" starts out real cool with the cat burglar (accompanied by a Morton Stevens score which has a cool jazzy Henry Mancini vibe to it) and I expected it to be a caper-style episode a la "King Kamehameha Blues". Alas it never goes in that direction but instead goes into a more mundane direction of a lounge singer being in debt to some bad hombres. A bit of a yawner that.

Added: August 15 2017 09:38:18 PM


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth

No Blue Skies is my favorite from Season 1. The list is in my favorite order. I will admit that my list probably changes. No more I see Up Tight, the more I like it. It used to be near the bottom. Now, it's in the middle.

I'm okay with Ringfire disrespecting my choices. We've gone over this before. We mostly agree that we disagree. :) But I wish he would have replied as Chicken rather than Joe Matsukino, although Matsukino is a cool cucumber. :)

Not That Much Different is on the bottom for me, although the foot chase scene at the end is one of the best in the entire series. Once Upon a Time is probably next. Ringfire and I agree on these being down on the lower 5.

Added: August 15 2017 04:40:36 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Hey Fred, in the words of the immortal Joe Matsukino... man, you fracture me with that No Blue Skies bit at #1. We both know that No Blue Skies split the scene a long time ago down to #23, baby. :D

[Mr. Mike's reply: I don't think he means that it was #1 as in the best one, it is in the top ten (which are not in numerical order), that's all...]

Added: August 15 2017 09:00:57 AM


Submitted by: Eric Paddon

I watched "Bones Of Contention" for the first time since the DVD came out tonight and the thing that struck me was exactly this point Mike points out in his review.

"Danno travels all the way to Paris Island, S.C. to interview Sgt.-Major Joseph Danvers (Joseph Monteleone), a soldier who was in Parmel's squad transporting the remains. For all the information that Danno gets, surely a phone call would have sufficed!"

Exactly! And considering that flying Danno all the way to the Atlantic coast and back would be a few days at least, it sure seems like less than a day has elapsed by the time Danno is back and he isn't suffering from jet-lag! Of course they did it this way to give us a great "scene" that would have been trickier to stage as a phone call no doubt but to me this was a case of a sloppy procedural point that sticks out on first viewing and not something that only occurs to you after the fact when it can be easily forgiven. And likewise, I was also incredulous that McGarrett needs to have Parmel pointed out when he should have his picture by now from his prison file!

I'll be more forgiving of the fact that this episode gets its history wrong when the Professor says the Japanese invasion of China took place in the "40s". It took place in 1937!

Added: August 14 2017 11:55:06 PM


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth

My top 10 from Season 1:

1 - No Blue Skies
2 - Tiger by the Tail
3 - Yesterday Died and Tomorrow Won't Be Born
4 - Deathwatch
5 - .. And They Painted Daisies on His Coffin
6 - Full Fathom Five
7 - The Box
8 - Twenty-Four Carat Kill
9 - Strangers in Our Own Land
10 - Pray Love Remember, Pray Love Remember

Added: August 14 2017 02:52:46 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Coming up with top 5 isn't too difficult. Or the bottom 5 or so. It's the ones in the middle where it becomes cumbersome. Still, I thought I'd give it a shot. I might try the same with season 2.

Added: August 13 2017 06:48:51 PM


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

RINGFIRE
My FAV Classic HFO episodes Season 1 (1968-1969)are King Of The Hill and Yesterday Died. It would be difficult to rate the next 5 or 10. Samurai was very creative and entertaining. Full Fathom Five will be in my Top 5. Strong opening episode. I guess Ways Of Love would also be in the Top 5. An intense and gritty episode. I guess 1.King Of The Hill 2.Yesterday Died 3.Ways Of Love 4.Full Fathom Five 5.Samurai JC

Added: August 13 2017 04:23:21 PM


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Ok, I'm gonna make the impossible possible by ranking all the season 1 episodes. Of course none of this is set in stone (with maybe the exception of the top 5) but as of right now this is what my season 1 ranking looks like. "Cocoon" is included as well.

1. The Box 2. Deathwatch 3. Yesterday Died and Tomorrow Won't Be Born 4. Tiger by the Tail 5. One for the Money
6. Full Fathom Five 7. King of the Hill 8. Cocoon 9. Strangers in Our Own Land 10. Six Kilos
11. And They Painted Daisies on His Coffin 12. Pray Love Remember, Pray Love Remember 13. The Ways of Love 14. Samurai 15. Twenty-Four Karat Kill
16. Along Came Joey 17. Up Tight 18. The Big Kahuna 19. By the Numbers 20. Face of the Dragon
21. Once Upon a Time 22. No Blue Skies 23. Not That Much Different

Added: August 13 2017 02:11:16 PM


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

ERIC-You brought up some good points. We have discussed The Case Against Philip Christie Season 11 on the forum before a few times. I would have voted NOT GUILTY if I was on the jury because I don't think they the prosecution proved Christie did it. McG does ask the judge through the back channels if they could see the Christie house and recreate the Philip party and Penny's murder. That's the Judge's fault. I think he was just as interested if Christie committed the crime or not. I like how McG & the jurors narrow the possible suspects through the testimony. Agree the Judge talks making the verdict about the evidence and testimony presented in Court. Say they didn't do the re-creation of the Penny murder...The lawyer could still appeal the verdict entering some of the PI's findings if Philip was found guilty. I think the forum was split on the episode. Some brought up the things you noticed. I liked the episode. JC

Added: August 13 2017 02:43:29 AM


Submitted by: Eric Paddon

From: I was watching "The Case Against Philip Christie" and as a "Five-O" episode it is ridiculous. What it really is, is a "Perry Mason" script shoehorned into "Five-O" and it is no coincidence that writer Seeleg Lester, was the producer of "Perry Mason" for two seasons and wrote 18 episodes.

1-McGarrett's whole demonstration bit at the climax where he is indeed acting like a defense attorney. That's Mason in all details.

2-The unprofessional moments of Danno and Duke snooping about during the case where McGarrett is on the jury? Classic "Paul Drake snoops about to find out more" scene.

3-The tag gives us Danno asking "How did you figure the killer would go along with the demonstration?" is straight out of the standard "Mason" tag scene wrapup where Della and Paul would always have one final "How could you be sure the murderer would....?" question for Perry to answer and sum things up.

Added: August 12 2017 06:51:46 PM


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

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Added: August 11, 2017 04:10:14 PM


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From: Vancouver

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Added: 10 August 2017 14:32:01 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

From Entertainment Weekly:

Anything on the Hawaii Five-0 team in season 8?

I hear there's going to be another new member of the team -- but it's definitely not who (or what!) you're expecting. "There is a story that's coming up, it actually was Alex O'Loughlin's idea," EP Peter Lenkov says. "I wanted to do a story where the victim left in the wake of a tragedy was a dog who lost its owner. It's a very emotional, really great story. It's a dog that's a drug sniffing service dog that McGarrett ends up adopting. It's a really emotional journey, but it was his idea to keep the dog, and I thought that was a great one."

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Not to be too cynical or anything, but this is horrible news. If I want to encounter stories about dogs, I can go on Facebook (which I went off some time ago). In the second-last season of the original Five-O, there was a "dog" story, The Bark and the Bite, which had to do with some rich woman's attempts to override Hawaii's strict quarantine laws about bringing pets to the islands (among other things). This is regarded by many as a real shark-jumping episode for the old series, even though I didn't think it was that bad the last time I viewed it, mainly because the actress playing the woman who owned the dog, Tricia O'Neil, was very hot. (No doubt exceptions will be made for the upcoming Five-Zero show for fans of O'Loughlin because they regard him as a hot guy, LOL.) There was also a "dog" story on The Streets of San Francisco, which I am currently doing anal-ysis for. It was the series' very last show. The plot line at IMDb says: "A cruise ship is docked in San Francisco. A known embezzler is aboard the ship and had hid the jewels on a dog collar." Barf!

Added: 10 August 2017 14:00:16 MST


Submitted by: Todd
From: Los Angeles

I really wonder if the 8th season will be the show's last. It now has all the hallmarks of it, including main cast members leaving, the addition of two new characters to abruptly replace them, and the promotion of recurring characters into starring cast.

On a side note, they kind of ruined the Kamekona character years ago. Meant to be the "semi-shady, street-wise operator who reluctantly helps the cops and acts as the show's comic relief", he's gone completely straight and now serves only as the comic relief. So he really doesn't have much to do, aside from sell shrimp and utter comic 1-liners.

The Hirsch character was brought in to be what Kamekona once was, but even he has gone straight. It's like the writers are afraid to associate with Five-Zero with any character who is unabashedly shady.

Anyway, back to my main point, the upcoming backstories of the two new Five-Zero members remind me all too much of the introduction of Kimo in Season 12. On the surface, the backstories and characters seem like they can be interesting, but it's kind of too late in the game for anyone to really care.

Added: 09 August 2017 02:10:33 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The whole business about Kono falling in love with Adam, son of a Yakuza crime boss, was absurd from the beginning, though it did briefly inject some much-needed sexual content into the show which has had a major lack of same despite the steamy tropical location and the presence of some actors who are regarded as "sexy" (Danno and Jerry need not be mentioned).

Do a Google search along the lines of "cops consorting with criminals" and you will see what I mean.

What was even more absurd was that McGarrett the boss (and his superiors) never made an issue out of Kono's relationship with Adam!

Now that Kono is gone, "[Ian Anthony] Dale [who] has recurred on HAWAII FIVE-0 as Adam Noshimuri since season two, becoming a trusted confidant and resource for the team ... will now be recruited by McGarrett to work for Five-0," according to a CBS press release.

Yeah, right, that is really a "safe" job!

Is Adam going to be given a badge too, like Jerry? And will other cast members who have now been promoted to "starring cast members" -- Taylor Wily (Kamekona), Kimee Balmilero (Noelani, the medical examiner who replaced Max) and Dennis Chun (Duke Lukela, who should have been promoted not only as a cast member, but to being a member of Five-Zero a long time ago) -- also get badges?

Maybe Five-Zero can also recruit Danno's daughter Gracie to go undercover at the local high school to investigate dope pushing or something equally sinister!

Added: 08 August 2017 07:40:50 MST


Submitted by: Todd
From: Los Angeles

We now have a list of the three "new" full time cast members of Five-Zero. Two are brand new, and the third is the actor playing Adam Noshimuri, who is now promoted to a full time cast member, and will be a member of Five-Zero.

Okay.

Omitted from this announcement is what will happen to Chin and Kono's characters. Killed off? Explained away as having moved to another locale (thus at least opening the door for their possible return?)

How is Adam supposed to go on as a regular cast member without his beloved wife? Or is he going to join Five-Zero because she got killed somehow?

Recall that the original show left no explanation for the departure of cast members, aside from Kam Fong, who actually requested to be killed off at the end of Season 10.

However, it's hard to believe that the new version of the show will do this, especially given all the time they spend on character issues in each episode.

Added: 08 August 2017 01:07:48 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"This is Jack Lord, inviting you to be with us next week for... The Second Shot, by Eric Bercovici..."

This was the unique intro to one of my favorites from season 3. It's unique because it's the only intro by Jack where he mentions the writer's name. He never did it before or after. And he never mentioned the director's name that I can recall, which one would expect more than the writer's name. While the writer writes the script ultimately it's the director who lends his vision to what the episode will look like and is most responsible for the finished product. I'd have expected "The Second Shot, by Michael O'Herlihy". Anyway I thought this was interesting and worth pointing out here.

I believe someone here recently mentioned Jack's intros and how they became lazier and less descriptive as the show went on. This is true. Later in the series he would just say "join us next week for..." and then we would just see clips from the episode. In the earlier seasons (especially 2 and 3) Jack would very enthusiastically (and dramatically) describe what the story was about as well as mention the guest stars and the characters they would play. I really enjoyed that! Like I said, he even mentions the writer (in addition to the guest stars) in "The Second Shot". A rarity!

Added: 07 August 2017 08:32:33 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

During the last year, I've been watching Seasons 8,9,10. There were some episodes I had never seen before. The Defector & Honor Is An Unmarked Grave are 2 episodes I have now seen. There has been some good conversation on The Payoff and To Kill Or Be Killed. I decided to go back and look at an early season...This time Season 3. I think Season 3 is my FAV season. To Kill Or Be Killed is even better than I remembered. It is a very emotional episode as General Rigney has a dead officer son and another suspected of his death. I stayed up past 2AM to watch The Gunrunner. It was 1 of my least FAV episodes for awhile because of the confusing nature of the guns and things. This time around, it made more sense. For some reason, I missed the part when the spy inside the Consulate talks with the group holding Claire about the shipment of weapons at Pier 39. Now it makes sense why they were at the pier and how they knew to go there. On Dear Enemy:I think most Classic HFO fans and those here on the forum give Dear Enemy low marks. There's plenty of unanswered questions: Why would Lockwood set up his friend the Senator for the murder? At the end, is the man released from prison with HFO's new evidence and Lockwood captured? I did enjoy the rotted out steps scene as it was a perfect staging murder. I'll have to explore more Season 3 episodes. We talked about this on the forum before but my FAV Seasons would go: Season 3,6,1,9 would be my Top 4. JC

Added: 06 August 2017 11:40:53 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth

I almost agree with Ringfire on the best and worse of Season 3. "Over 50?...Steal" is the best and I go with "Dear Enemy" as the worse. It's a strong season with many very good episodes.

"The Payoff" is probably in my top 20 from the series. The sad music that follows Jase is perfect for his sad life. My biggest problem with the episode, as said a couple of weeks back, is why does Vince and Madge bring all the ransom cash with them to Hawaii? They had no intention of spending it. They're stil waiting for it to cool off. Don't they have a good enough hiding place back home like a safe deposit box? Or do they take it with them wherever they go? The dissolving postcard is done very nicely. Obviously, the postcard is a fake, made up for the show from a still frame from the movie film that it got dissolved into. I dismiss the chance meeting of Vince and Jase as dramatic license.

"10,000 Diamonds and a Heart" is also in my top 20 along with Over 50.

Added: 06 August 2017 09:39:44 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

John, I see a lot of "Payoff" talk and it seems to be a fan favorite. I like it just fine but I guess I never saw it as some kind of classic. I easily prefer "Beautiful Screamer" before it and "The Double Wall" after it. I agree that for the most part the script is pretty tight and I agree with Mike that "not a syllable is wasted". I especially dig McGarrett's comment about the found money "I think it might be running a temperature". The photography is good, especially the hotel postcard dissolve (along with Fred's music during that sequence ;)). Albert Salmi is a heavy I always liked. Madlyn Rhue as Madge also has a unique look to her. She's kinda sexy but in a weird sort of way. She has strange facial features, especially the nose. I agree with some of the problems you mentioned. Vince and Madge running into Jase is a bit far-fetched (though not completely out of the realm of possibility) but my bigger problem is what are Vince and Madge doing in Hawaii to begin with? They double-crossed him and Madge used him, and they know he used to live in Hawaii so it's a good bet that after the double cross in Seattle he left for Hawaii. So what do they do?? They go to Hawaii. That doesn't make any sense. You'd think they would want to avoid Jase and Lew and Toomey and wouldn't want to be anywhere where they could stumble into any of them. Vince tells Jase that it was cold in Seattle so he decided to head for Hawaii, and that he stumbled onto him purely by accident and that he had forgotten that he used to live here. Not very likely that you'd forget something like that. You either know a guy is from somewhere or you don't. You don't forget. Not when it's a guy that you double-crossed. So when you and your girl decide to go to some tropical paradise it definitely shouldn't be Hawaii. Jase should be the first thing you think of when you think Hawaii. Just like Lew and Toomey when you think of Seattle. Then there's the whole business with Vince leaving Jase alive after shooting him. This happens a lot in shows like this. Killer fires one or two shots and just assumes the guy is dead. Doesn't check or fire additional shots for extra measure. Oh well, then there would be no story I guess.

Added: 05 August 2017 23:50:16 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Ringfire
On The Payoff: Most of my slight nits with The Payoff are early on. What are the odds Vince & Madge on a Hawaiian vacation would see Jase in the street at that moment? Probably 5 or 10 million to 1. Vince's shooting of Jase in the fleabag hotel also was not done with competency or precision. A better idea might have Jase riding around with Vance & Madge to a few different shops and places. Vance killing Jase at another location and planting the money in Jase's place later. HFO would have had a more difficult time solving it.
I enjoyed The Payoff after Jase was shot by Vince. Excellent acting all around by Lila his girlfriend and Jase himself. A bloody Jase wills himself to stay alive long enough to call Toomey & Lew. My guess the writers made the right decision to keep Jase alive long enough to get Toomey & Lew involved. Mr. Mike was right about not a syllable wasted in the tight script. Loved when the postcard disappeared into the building. Probably 4.5 stars or 5 stars out of 6 for this episode The Payoff. JC

Added: 05 August 2017 17:58:38 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I was watching "The Payoff" and noticed the 2 Oriental bobble-head dolls by the phone in Lila's house when Jase is calling Toomey and Lew in Seattle. I thought how funny it would be if those bobble-head dolls were Indian. :D

Added: 04 August 2017 19:38:40 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"To Kill or Be Killed" is definitely a strong episode, but at the same time not one of my favorites. In fact it's one of my lesser season 3 episodes, but only because season 3 is so darn good. The ending is definitely a gut-wrencher, but it bogs down a bit with the whole draft evasion bit that takes up most of the episode. "Paniolo" is another such episode which is strong but also tends to bog down a bit in certain spots. Of course the beauty of Maui helps a great deal. If I had to pick my least favorite from season 3 I'd probably go with "The Last Eden". Though "Dear Enemy" is pretty convoluted too.

My favorite? Why, the thief... of course! (in my best Hume Cronyn impression) :)

Added: 04 August 2017 17:23:36 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

SPOTLIGHT FEATURE: TO KILL OR BE KILLED
Season 3 To Kill Or Be Killed watched back in the 1970's or in 2017 is still a Classic. McG & the HFO team must unravel the mysterious death of Lt. Jack Rigney who was pushed or accidentally fell several stories from an apartment balcony. The mystery is heightened when a investigator type hastily leaves his apartment next door. He's eavesdropping on Lt. Rigney. John Anderson shines as Brigadier General Earl Rigney who has served the Army for 30 years with much honor and distinction. He's grieving his son's loss while trying to find the truth.
McG tries to locate Lt.Rigney's younger brother Michael who resembles the young man quickly leaving the officer's place. Michael Rigney becomes a suspect when HFO team find a discarded weapon with Michael's prints. A concurrent story has Michael resisting being drafted and having a beautiful, caring girlfriend Gail Howard. He's trying to find funds to go to Canada and hide from being drafted for Vietnam service.
There are several Classic scenes in To Kill Or Be Killed. Michael watching his mother Nancy crying beside Jack's flag-draped coffin,the strong and tough General Rigney emotional IDing his dead son, the incredible final scene as McG & The Rigney family learn the truth of Jack's death through the audio taping.
That always rings through me when the General states, "I have 2 dead sons." Michael would rather be jailed than be drafted. Jack's depiction as war as hell, the butchery & the killing plus Michael's stance of being drafted...This could be viewed as an anti-war episode. To Kill Or Be Killed earns my highest rating 6 stars. Excellent acting by all involved especially John Anderson & Michael Anderson Jr. JC

Added: 03 August 2017 12:11:19 MST


Submitted by: Mike Brassman
From: Colo

Why does the zip code 96813-1148 show up on the opening credits of the new series?

[If you do a Google search on this ZIP code, it is for some very specific location in Hawaii. Whether there is any particular significance to this (like it is the office of the show's production company or something), I have no idea. Try asking @PLenkov on Twitter. P.S.: if you post your e-mail address in the forum (which I have removed), you are asking to be deluged with spam mail. - MQ]

Added: 02 August 2017 22:50:58 MST


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