Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- August 2015

The Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- August 2015


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Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Good Posts Rainbow and Ringfire.
I remember my Grandma watching Hawaii Five O here in Pittsburgh mid to late 80's. They used to have them late Saturday & Sunday nights Summer for several years. Extended into early 90's. I was about 13 when I remember watching those. McG was my FAV. He had the qualities of a leader and cared about his team. I can't remember my 1st HFO episode. Probably King Of The Hill or Samurai. Loved the quality of the stories and the acting. My sister & I were writers from an early age. Writing short stories and things.
Many of the posters discussed The Diamond That Nobody Stole in the past. I think the consensus was it was average fare 2 stars out of 4. I think the complaint was the tacked on ending with the Madame having been involved. That was un Hawaii Five O like. She was barely shown or mentioned. There were also questions how the thief knew about the wall safe and other things. I always enjoyed seasons 3 and 6 the best. Question Of The Day:In our hypersensitive days today 2015, do you think A Matter Of Mutual Concern would be broadcast today when they used terms to describe the different ethnicities of the heads of families? John

Added: Monday 31 August 2015 23:16:03 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

Thank you, Rainbow.

Added: Monday 31 August 2015 19:31:10 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Ringfire:

Yes, I saw most of the episodes a long time ago in the early 1980 through the early 1990's when they were on local stations in syndication, and were shown in reruns daily. However, the local station that I used to watch in the 1980's would show the syndicated reruns out of order and often would skip episodes entirely and never show them. So, while almost all of season five was shown there were episodes that they always seemed to skip and never show so I missed them. For instance, "Engaged to be Buried" and "Winkler" I never saw, and also "The Listener." Why they never showed them, I have no idea, but that is why I have seen all the episodes of season twelve, but have no memory of season 7 or seasons 9-11. The syndicated package that I grew up watching only had seasons 1-6 on a loop and that was all they showed, plus they skipped episodes. In the early 1990's WOR in New York started showing them in order, but I was working all crazy hours, so I was only able to catch what I caught, so I started collecting the DVD's about the summer before the new show started, and I got season Five about a year ago on DVD, and I'm about finished with it now, with "Jury of One" left to view. With twelve years of episodes there was a lot I saw, and a lot I missed. When I originally started watching the show in the early 1980's it had been off the air for 12 or 13 years already.

John, I'm a St.Louis Cardinals fan, and we're having a more magical year. We have seven guys on the DL, and if we were fully healthy, your Pirates would be more than four and a half games back. The Pirates have been fortunate that the Cardinals have been hit harder than any other team with injuries, or we would have the division sewn up by now. We are still the best team in the league even with all of that.

So, now, Ringfire, I watched "The Diamond that Nobody Stole" last night for the first time( another one that was never shown in my syndication package)and it was just okay. I think the biggest complaint from me was that it was so low energy, and just plain slow moving. I think the plot was written well up to a certain point, but there was no "oomph" to it. There were things left out of the plot, and it took a while to get going, and I also noticed that James McArthur seemed bored and disinterested in the episode. I was watching his acting, and he seemed to be kind of rolling his eyes and unhappy like he was not into it. I liked the scenes where MCG chases Eric Braeden into the shopping mall, and when Braeden is killed by the assassin, but it lacked a coherent story even though it was well acted.

Another season Five episode that ran out of gas at the end.

H50: My hat is off to your uncle the admiral for his service to his country! That is impressive to hear. My respect to you!

Added: Monday 31 August 2015 07:15:23 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Thanks for the Info HFO Forever. Will check the hotel info plan out. I think Full Fathom Five was a good starter for the series. It's always chilling when you see Reese reciting the poetry as the dead female victim inside the barrel sinks into a watery grave. Reese had a strong scheme going and could have went months even years without detection. Thanks for McG & HFO team getting involved with the missing women disappearances. Season 1 has a few of my all time FAVS King Of The Hill especially. I think One For The Money is criminally underrated too. It would be higher on my list but the killer murdered people in his own company. Obviously, this would draw McG attention. That's one of the most powerful scenes in early HFO when you hear Aunt Martha's voice going to the wave. Amazing the scene when he looks at the medical book and stabs himself making it appear he was the murderer's next victim. Love how McG & Danny break down the scene and study the pictures. I've cooled on Six Kilos & The Big Kahuna but they were still very good episodes. Here in Pgh, the Pirates are going for win #80. One of those magical years. Classic HFO had the magic too for 12 seasons.
Question Of The Day:How would you have changed the final scene with Reese & McG to make it better or more suspenseful The Full Fathom Five? John

Added: Sunday 30 August 2015 11:22:49 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

http://www.answers.com/article/1214037/10-tv-characters-they-forgot-to-write-off-the-show

Kono, Ben and Danno!

Added: Sunday 30 August 2015 07:48:16 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

John, did you know the "hotel," where Joyce stayed was filmed at the Kahala Beach Apartments, where Jack and Marie lived? It was a two-bedroom unit on the ground floor. The apartment "next door," where McGarrett & Co. were maintaining protection / surveillance, was actually the hallway leading to the bedrooms. If you google 4999 Kahala Avenue and look at the images, you can see what the apartments look like, although many have been updated from their 1960s appearance, and you just may come across a floor plan.

Added: Saturday 29 August 2015 18:53:59 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Chicken,

What are you doing in Meville? How's the weather there these days? Which part of the country is this? Anywhere near Seattle?? Is that where the cat who wrote MOBY DICK be from?? ;)

I bet Jerry-Baybee, Gary-O, and Hawkins all hail from the town of Meville! I bet that's why you're there too - you love those 3 cats! I can dig it, baby! You're right - Hawkins was a sadist. He even shot our boy Manicote in cold cold blood. Bummer! I guess maybe he was afraid that Manicote was gonna bury him with peace and poetry and pot. So he set him straight. :D

I also gotta agree with you that Tot Kee was a gas, maaan! Gotta love the goatee, not to mention his bubbly secretary Missy (R.I.P. Mrs. James MacArthur). Quite a difference from the meek James Watanu just a few episodes earlier.

John,

I love both "Cry, Lie" and "Death is a Company Policy" but if I had to pick one I'd lean more towards "Policy". I think it was just a great kickoff to season 5. It seemed more high-tech with the almighty Iron Brain plugging away the whole time. Plus I love the international conspiracy implications here - leading all the way to a major corporation in Europe named Bryce Halsey. Sure, it stretches credibility a bit that this whole frame-up against Duke was engineered so far in advance and that they basically bought Chris Lahani's soul when he was still in high school and put him through college and all that. In comparison "Cry, Lie" seems simpler and more believable. Still, I often love the more far-fetched and more conspiracy-driven episodes so I gotta give the edge to "Policy". Plus the score by Morton Stevens really rocks here! Sounds almost like Lalo Schifrin from BULLITT or DIRTY HARRY.

Rainbow,

Did you say that you saw "Engaged to be Buried" for the first time? Did you just get the DVD? I was under the impression that you saw all these episodes a long time ago, especially since season 5 was your favorite from the time you watched it when you were younger.

Added: Saturday 29 August 2015 18:26:21 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Good discussion on the HFO Forum. I'm glad that the Joyce question merited discussion. My answer would be they made the right decision letting Joyce continue the mission. McG tried to put in some safeguards renting the room next door and exchanging info with Joyce. Also, the discovery of the cyanide capsule by Danny gave Joyce and HFO team heads up on how it might be introduced. In water or glass of wine perhaps. Joyce was very courageous and heroic continuing her assignment. It's easy to see how Reese captured so many victims. He was charming, intelligent, and well-dressed. You could see why a young widow would fall for him and his charm. From Episode 1, the HFO blueprint was installed. Creative and intelligent writing. McGarrett the HFO head who was a leader and a loyal advocate of his team. The Governor an important figure through 12 seasons. I always enjoyed these psychological and build up episodes of Hawaii Five O such as The Diamonds and A Heart episode and For A Million...Why Not? Excellent episodes. It's the reason we continue to talk about Classic HFO nearly 50 years later. John

Added: Saturday 29 August 2015 15:24:28 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Thanks, Honu. We have to take these actions on a case-by-case basis, rather than expect the characters to conform to one rule throughout the series - given the varying nature of their cases. When Steve said, "No dames!" in "Twenty-Four Karat Kill," maybe he remembered what happened to the young woman who was butchered at t he beginning, just to get a hold of that giant tuna with the gold bars in it.

If someone was willing to kill a woman who was a total stranger just to get that gold back, what would they do to a female agent who went undercover to catch them, if her cover was blown? It wouldn't be safer for a man, either, but he might win the crooks' confidence better. Steve met Johnny Fargo and saw what a slimeball he was, and probably didn't want a woman getting involved with him.

Added: Saturday 29 August 2015 12:54:13 MST


Submitted by: honu59
From: New York

You're right, Vrinda, and that's exactly why Danny and Steve had that argument in the office over Joyce's undercover assignment. Danny thought it too dangerous for a mom with two kids to raise. Danny's protective male instinct kicked in. After all, Chin was a dad with eight kids to raise and he did dangerous work. I do find it interesting that Steve was arguing in favor of Joyce's undercover assignment, citing her qualifications, and then later on in season one, he emphatically says "No dames!" when treasury agent Philip Grey suggests a female agent for an undercover assignment.

Added: Saturday 29 August 2015 12:08:23 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Once Danno found the cyanide capsule in the drawer, that cinched it as to what Victor and Nora were going to do. No one was psychic and would know when and if they would use the capsule, but what if McGarrett kept Joyce on the case and Victor and Nora slipped that cyanide pill into her drink that evening or her coffee the next morning? McGarrett's fears were confirmed when the Reeses tried to kill Joyce on their boat.

It's the biological male instinct to protect the female, which doesn't recognize cultural and social changes. but sometimes influences them. The writers might not have conscientiously thought about it that way, but it's happened enough in real life to influence writing.

Added: Saturday 29 August 2015 10:58:37 MST


Submitted by: honu59
From: New York

I agree with H50 about Joyce. They would not have pulled a male officer from the job just because there was more danger, so it wouldn't have been right to pull Joyce out, either. Joyce was more determined than ever to do her job. I admire that. The times, they were a-changing!

Added: Saturday 29 August 2015 08:13:30 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

No, John. He should not have pulled Joyce from the case. She was a trained police officer, who was doing her job.

Added: Saturday 29 August 2015 06:23:54 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Agree L.B. on Beautiful Screamer a strong episode. I would put it somewhere between 15-30 on greatest HFO episodes. Many cool aspects of episodes including the lipstick poetry, the trailer trap door, and the Junior Blind kids. I love when Danno yells that his fiancee was killed by Walter as McG & Danno think through the evidence. Che did some great work with the kid photographer's pictures. The time kept really worked against Walter. He was gone over 20 minutes I think.
They extended the cliff scene for dramatic effect but it was suspenseful. Sally was fortunate to be sure.

Today I think about Full Fathom Five and how it all started Season 1. I'm amazed how the writers hit the ground running with a strong episode right out of the gate. The Governor is introduced who will be a friend and apply a gentle pressure on McG on tough cases that needed solving. I liked the Governor more than Manicote. He seems to give McG the benefit of the doubt more than Manicote does. The Victor Reese plays a handsome, suave swindler in this one with wife Nora. Bilking young wealthy women and widows of their money and then poisoning them. Placing them in barrel drums. Tough way to go. Joyce plays a strong policewoman and mother who is the bait for Reese. The early episodes it seems Danno and McG were closer together on the power structure of HFO. As Season 1 moves along & Season 2, McG leadership and power becomes more pronounced. Full Fathom Five is a strong opener. 5 stars out of 6.
Question Of The Day:Would you have pulled Joyce from the dangerous mission after Danno found the cyanide capsule in Reese's room? John

Added: Friday 28 August 2015 21:01:33 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

Beautiful Screamer was one of my favorite episodes of the entire series.

This is one of those episodes that showcases the talents of the other stars of the series, in this case James MacArthur. Anyone who says that he couldn't act should watch this episode, as his performance was very emotional and powerful. Not only did he have to deal with the grief of his girlfriend's murder, but then the possible consequences of losing his job after roughing up the innocent Pete King. Two really nice production touches: slowing down the action right before the wave where Danny goes after King and the blind kids turning around at the end and pointing Danny in the direction of Gregson and his wife.

Another aspect I liked about this episode was that given that the episode was about Danny, the final confrontation featured him settling the issue with Gregson rather than McGarrett. This was a nice contrast to S11 episode A Long Time Ago, which was also mainly about Danny but for some reason featured McGarrett more in the final confrontation.

Finally, I have always thought that Lloyd Bochner played villains exceptionally well. He did not disappoint here.

Added: Friday 28 August 2015 19:04:28 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Getting close to September now. That will be the 47th anniversary of Classic HFO Sept 20,1968 I believe. HFO set the bar high for later crime dramas to match. Few ever came close to McG and HFO team.
My Episode Of The Day is Season 3 Beautiful Screamer. I guess after awhile Danny & McG decided why have girlfriends. A good serial killer type episode and psychological episode as attractive young women are getting murdered. The killer even murders Danny's fiancee. McG leads the investigation with these murder victims all in Danny's Circle of Friends. There's a good red herring suspect Pete King who worked in the place and was a friend of Danny's fiancee. Beautiful Screamer is well acted and well paced. The Junior Blind segment was HFO again years ahead of their time on things. A strong 5 out of 6 stars.
Question Of The Day: Did you like Jimmy in the episode The Last Eden or did you find him irresponsible to some degree? John

Added: Thursday 27 August 2015 21:29:22 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Depressing -- the word "awesomesauce" (which people may recall was used in a posting here months ago) has been added to the Oxford English Dictionary:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/pwned-sjw-among-internet-slang-words-added-to-oxforddictionaries-com-1.3205463

Added: Thursday 27 August 2015 08:56:25 MST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Melville

Ringfire sez 'That scene always cracks me up! Sakai looks like he's about to puncture a whole in the bottom of his pineapple bowl. As our boy Lord Jack would say, "Easy, easy, take it easy..."'

LOL! I can always hear Jerry Park in yo posts & nows I can hear Lord Jack. They shoulda wrote that scene in - with McGarrett telling Vince Kauoli to take it easy on that pineapple! :D

The skinhead & pirate earring gave Sakai a whole different persona, man. Like James Hong an his Tot Kee-goatee.

Hey - we sure coulda used more a Gary O in "Most Likely Murder." Too much Lew Morgan, who ain't swingin at all, jus an all round downer cat. Is good we sees our man Sam back in "For a Million," where he mail that Saigon chick back to her folks and gonna set things right in our country.

Though it no way top his Jerry Parks (and I mean NO WAAAY BABEE) angry vet Hawkins is a gas with his smilin sadism. And his angry raging at the po-leece as they shoot him up at the end is the bomb. Sam's the man! Book em Danko!

Added: Wednesday 26 August 2015 19:04:33 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

Oh, John! How can one choose one over the other? Both are excellent episodes that really draw us in and hold us from start to finish as they explore the issue of false accusation. Both frames were excellently executed. Both frames attacked beloved characters, Chin Ho and Duke. "Cry, Lie" gave us insight into Chin Ho's family, while "Death is a Company Policy" gave us insight into the Five-0 family. Both gave us insight into underworld operations that are still used today and the difficulty of proving what one did not do.

"Death is a Company Policy" appears to have had a much larger budget than "Cry, Lie." The all-seeing iron brain; the helicopter exploding, at least on the special effects screen, added greatly to the quality of "Death..." Certainly, those things would be in its favor.

And, yet, when the chips are down, I have to cast my vote for Chin Ho. No offense, Duke.

Added: Wednesday 26 August 2015 18:03:12 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Great discussion on HFO Forum as usual. It's funny Ready...Aim was brought up today. One of the 10-12 episodes of Classic HFO I have never seen. Ring Of Life, Tall On The Wave, The Big Aloha are a few others.
That was good discussion on Engaged To Be Buried. I have noticed the few Chin Ho episodes were real Classics. Cry, Lie Chin was put through the wringer. It was almost the perfect frame job but McG outsmarted Brohme & Callo in the end. Death In The Family was a Classic too. My sister saw this episode back in 1980's before me. I said she must be telling tales. They couldn't kill off Chin Ho. Sure enough Chin was double-crossed and killed undercover. Rego would have been a good recurring villain like Tony Alika. I leave you with the Classic HFO Question Of The Day:Which episode had the better frame Cry, Lie or Death Is A Company policy and which episode did you enjoy more? John

Added: Wednesday 26 August 2015 15:43:46 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Phila

Edward James Olmos talks about his appearance on FIVE-0. That was season 9's "Ready...Aim".

http://bit.ly/1EWoiNM

He says that McGarrett had never killed anyone on screen (only his character), that he had only wounded them. Of course this is completely erroneous because McG kills Kevin McCarthy's character in the very first episode - "Full Fathom Five". He had shot and killed dozens of perps over the years!

It seems that Jack was opposed to shooting a perp in the back (according to Olmos) which is understandable. But his claim that McG had never killed anyone is way off.

Added: Wednesday 26 August 2015 09:31:07 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Aren't you chewing your fingernails wondering about the new season? Well, here is the scoop, compiled from several reports, showing that Lenkov and CBS have been busy beating the drum.

To get this info, I had to navigate my way through several click-bait sites which caused my computer to resemble two snails having sex in a bowl of molasses on top of a glacier (and my computer has 12 GIGs of RAM!!)

* * * * *

In the sixth season premiere, a murder leads Five-0 to investigate a centuries-old pirate story involving buried treasure, and it seems that the killer is using the back of a stolen painting as a treasure map. Also, the morning after their wedding, Kono and Adam are kidnapped and tortured by Gabriel, and Danny shows concern for McGarrett regarding Catherine's return to the island.

Titled "Mai ho'oni I ka wai lana málie," according to Spoiler TV, the premiere Sept. 25 episode will open with a flashback to the 1800s, which will set the stage for and X-marks-the-spot mystery that is based in part on real island lore.

"It took a lot of research to find this account, and funny enough it was discovered after I had started to develop the story," showrunner Peter Lenkov informed Entertainment Weekly. "In the premiere, we will tell whether the story was true of not."

* * * * *

Hawaii Five-0 fans are left wondering - will Catherine stick around to reignite the McRollins romance, or will she break McGarrett's heart once more?

"I know she's at least name-dropped in the second episode, so I'd say at least two episodes, but hopefully more," Entertainment Weekly reported as fans attempted to nail down a Rollins timeline.

Elsewhere, executive producer Peter Lenkov hinted, "There’s plenty of character stuff in the first episode in season 6, including a huge turn in the McGarrett/Catherine relationship.”

"The first few episodes [of Season 6] include a McGarrett/Catherine arc that will answer this," Lenkov told TV Guide. "I can promise you that by Episode 3, there will be a surprise turn in their relationship."

* * * * *

Michael Maize (National Treasure: Book Of Secrets) is set as a recurring on the upcoming 6th season of CBS’ Hawaii Five-O. He will play Aaron. Tough and athletic, Aaron thinks he can barrel his way out of trouble when the team wants a word with him about a drug-related murder. Once in custody, the team learns Aaron is a major criminal with connections.

* * * * *

Hawaii Five-0 will give Chin Ho Kelly another shot at love when a new woman will pop up on Chin's radar.

"I think it's time," Kelly told TV Guide. "[Last] season, we [didn't see] much of Chin's personal life. ... I think it's time to get a little romance back into Chin's life. I would welcome that."

Added: Wednesday 26 August 2015 05:57:52 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Stay away from Waikiki Beach, folks! Half a million gallon sewage spill shuts down the beach.

http://cnn.it/1LvPLL1

http://bbc.in/1KLKdco

Shame this had to happen to those unfortunate tourists who waited a long time to finally make it to the islands.

Added: Tuesday 25 August 2015 19:14:48 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

I'm going to agree with Vrinda and say Chin Ho's daughter was 18 in Engaged To Be Buried. It looked like a high school or academy setting. It's strange Chin Ho didn't find out about her relationship with Rono sooner. Chin hits the streets on the investigations plus they have snitches and people who know everything. Just a fantastic episode! You could see the tension building with Chin Ho trying to solve the explosion bombings and having the Vidalgo's involved. Plus Alia and Rono in a relationship. Poor Father Jack! He was duped by Rono as a new man and presided over the wedding vows. Episode ETBB has moved into my Top 10. Almost perfect in my eyes. John

Added: Tuesday 25 August 2015 18:26:29 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Baby-Chick, you know I dig Gary O, man! That is one seriously swingin cat! I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Gary-O was really our boy Jerry Parks in a previous life. Something similar between them 2 cats if ya know what I mean. Outta sight, baby!!

"And we gonna put you away for so many years, no one even counted that high."

:D That's both kinda corny and funny at the same time! Go, Kam, go!! Our boy Kam be the man!!

"Either that or the scene wit Seth Sakai angrily eatin pineapple."

:D That scene always cracks me up! Sakai looks like he's about to puncture a whole in the bottom of his pineapple bowl. As our boy Lord Jack would say, "Easy, easy, take it easy..." Plus that giant hoop earring Sakai is wearing, totally flips me, baby!!! What a gas, man!!!

Added: Tuesday 25 August 2015 18:06:38 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

Mike, it's entirely possible that children of police officers associate with less desirables. After all, children of ministers tend to get in trouble at school. One might wonder if fathers with authority come down too hard on their children. My uncle was an admiral. He went through his daughter's room with a white glove, and if he found a speck of dust, he made her clean her room all over again -- as though she were a seaman recruit. She rebelled. Married a man he didn't like with all that entailed. I'd say there's truth to your theory.

Added: Tuesday 25 August 2015 13:25:56 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

I think Alia was 18. Her friend who was killed in the bombing at the bowling alley was said to be 18, and she and Rono were married without any parental permission.

Jack spent hours tutoring Kam to make sure he gave a strong performance. That's why you don't see Jack in as many scenes.

Added: Tuesday 25 August 2015 10:07:49 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Mike:

You should go to the nearest college and university and find the criminal justice studies program and propose the thesis idea. That is a deep thought!

Added: Tuesday 25 August 2015 06:42:45 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Is it actually stated anywhere how old Chin Ho's daughter Alia is in Engaged to be Buried? We see some of Chin's kids in Cry, Lie, and they seem pretty "normal." I don't recall there is any explanation in ETBB that Alia is rebellious or whatever. Perhaps this plot line is the basis for Kono having hot pants for Adam Noshimuri, the son of a mob boss, in the new Five-0! In the new show, no one seems terribly upset about this (or particularly concerned, other than Chin Ho), at least to the point of getting Kono kicked off the Five-0 team, which is what you would expect. I wonder if there is a known phenomenon of the children of cops associating with "unsavory elements." I'm sure someone has done a PhD thesis on this somewhere.

Added: Tuesday 25 August 2015 04:53:07 MST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: The Ballad of Ponch & Alia

Chicken sez the reason Chin's daughter fall so hard for Rono Vidalgo, is cause he played by our man Erik Estrada - Rico Suave of the 70s, man. And Ponch got that machismo workin!

But Ringfire - Rono may be a ladies man, but No Way, I mean NOOOOOO WAAAAAYYY BAABEE, does he get more chicks than our boy swingin Gary Oliver. I bet you can dig that. Chicken know you down with Gary O.

And the Rainbow Warrior, I love the scene when Chin go all badass on ole man Shako "You think this is personal - This is Five-O! And we gonna put you away for so many years, no one even counted that high." Kam Fong could really kick it, man.

And John C - So many great scenes in Double Exposure, from Doyle Weston gettin his high on to Beau Van Ecker gettin run down and much, much more. What a great question bout a great ep!

Like Ringfire, I really dug McGarrett copterer-in & takin an Uzi to them thugs at the conclude. Awesome stuff! Either that or the scene wit Seth Sakai angrily eatin pineapple.

BTW, John, Chicken got out to Seattle too late to hang with Toomey & Lew. Back in 1970, afta I quit pushin dope in Hawaii, I headed to Minneapolis to work in broadcast news.

Added: Monday 24 August 2015 19:25:18 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Rainbow
Good analysis of Engaged To Be Buried. Definitely a Classic episode. I love how the HFO writers developed the relationship between Chin Ho's daughter and Rono. It doesn't say how they met but Rono was a good-looking guy,drove a nice car, had money. Wouldn't be surprised a young woman would fall for Rono. There seems to be a real relationship between the two.
Remember Rono convinced the skeptical Father Jack to marry them. So Rono fooled many people. Engaged To Be Buried is one of the best episodes of Classic HFO and in TV history. There are so many interesting aspects of the episode. I agree the ending was powerful when McG says about all we know is what he was. You see Rono's still today who either come from a wealthy family and won't break free to do what they want or others are dragged down in poor circumstances and can't break the cycle. There's no question Rono had the talent to become a pilot or legitimate businessman but unfortunately as McG eloquently stated, we only see Rono for what he was...A criminal and a bad guy in general. John

Added: Monday 24 August 2015 12:51:55 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"After all that she is weeping over him, and acting like he was some great loss to the world, without realizing that she fell in love with a lie. I mean wake up! Great show, but that was a hole in the plot."

Agreed, Rainbow! I always thought she was nuts. If I were Chin I would have given her a good smack for that type of behavior. I can appreciate that being a young impressionable girl who is madly in love can be a powerful thing. But I don't care how young or in love you are, when the guy you love just killed someone in cold blood and was about to waste your old man, at that point there's gotta be a natural human reaction that makes you completely snap out of this "daze" or "love spell" that you're under and wake up to real world. You spit on the dirtbag's grave and move on! Good riddance!

Added: Monday 24 August 2015 11:04:48 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

I watched "Engaged to be Buried" for the first time ever over the weekend, and I agree that it is a great classic episode. Chin Ho's outburst in McG's office was surprising and effective, the showdown on the beach, and the great closing lines where Chin's daughter says "You don't know what he could have been, and Steve answers with "No, all we know is what he was." is brilliant. That type of whiny excuse making for bad behavior by Chin's daughter always bugs me, and I love the fact that Steve shoots that down with basically, the guy was a dirt bag and we judge him based on his actions not his words like you. I just loved it!

My problems with the show is just one and it is with Chin's daughter. I don't get why she would be involved with him, and then even at the end, she is still defending and crying over Erik Estrada. I mean by the end of the show she has learned that her husband has lied to her about getting out of the criminal life, was instrumental in the tragic death of her best friend in the car explosion which he lied about to her as well. He shoots the priest dead in cold blood in front of her. Then he knocks his brother out cold with the butt of his gun, when his brother is telling him to give up, and then he is just about to kill her father Chin Ho, when McG dives for the gun, and Duke takes Estrada out. After all that she is weeping over him, and acting like he was some great loss to the world, without realizing that she fell in love with a lie. I mean wake up! Great show, but that was a hole in the plot.

Added: Monday 24 August 2015 07:59:29 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

L.B.,

I can't imagine lots of people buying the HILL STREET BLUES DVDs. I can't imagine that show having too many fans. I've never actually seen the show but from what I've heard it was basically a precursor to NYPD BLUE and I just couldn't sit through that show. Speaking of which, how often do you hear anything about NYPD BLUE these days? That show is all but forgotten today. So much for all the stir it caused (and awards it got) back in the 90s. Heck, I hear WALKER TEXAS RANGER (the 90s polar opposite of BLUE) mentioned more often. And that's a show that was haaaaated by critics!! Anyway if NYPD BLUE is all but forgotten then HILL STREET BLUES may for all intents and purposes be nonexistent.

If I'm going to watch a cop show from the 80s then it's going to be something like HUNTER by Stephen J. Cannell. His premise for the show was basically a DIRTY HARRY for the small screen and I can totally dig it! As Hunter would say "Works for me".

Added: Monday 24 August 2015 06:11:12 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

"The Skyline Killer" is an episode that I liked better the second time I watched it. Even so, it is far from my favorite, because I don't like the Norman Klane character or other writers like him, who will do anything for a story. It goes to responsibility in journalism, something that has been increasingly lacking in the past 50 years.

Re: Melody Patterson's stated age, you're right. She probably knocked off a few years. After all, what lady tells her age? Few, even in these liberated times.

Re: "Columbo," I didn't like the show, except for two things: (1) Columbo's Basset hound. I love all Bassets. (2) Donald Pleasance's performance in the episode "Any Old Port in a Storm." Of course, I like Donald Pleasance in just about everything he did. Otherwise, the show was just as has been said: Columbo knew the perpetrator almost before the crime had been committed and spent the next 90 minutes ensuring that I wouldn't get to watch "McMillan & Wife" that night.

Re: Favorite scene in "Double Exposure," when Danno and Ann meet at the photography exhibition. He points out how her pictures are seen on postcards and that she would do better to capture real people living real lives. Photographer Saul Leiter spent an award-winning career capturing life in New York City. Google his name and look at some of his work. Now, that's photography!

Added: Monday 24 August 2015 04:49:01 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Watching The Skyline Killer this 2 AM. I'm trying to give it another chance. On my 6 star system, I've decided to move The Skyline Killer up to 4 stars. I wrote down a little Pro and Con list. On The Good Side. The 8 victim deaths of the serial killer appeared random and made it tough to find the perpetrator. Also, the scaling of the high-rise apartments would escalate the fear quotient of women in Hawaii. This guy could strike at any time. Liked the Norman Klane character. He absorbed a brow beating from McG at times but he wanted to find the killer too. Finally, the ending crane scene was scary and suspenseful. McG proved to be right that the killer could work at one of the new construction sites as a high-rise worker.
The Negative. McG really angrily and arrogantly attacked Klane and his ethics at times. It seemed over the top. Klane was just trying to get the killer's story. I wish we could have learned more about The Skyline Killer. His past history and motivations. The capturing of the killer in Mary Ellen's room was sloppily handled. Should have been a HPD officer stationed behind curtains. No means of escape. I guess we wouldn't have the crane scene though. I think the biggest flaw is HFO were flat out of ideas. In other episodes, McG would think of creative ways to catch a perpetrator. This time, Norman Klane saved the day with his story idea to publish. As a big fan of Season 11, I think it was a good watch when all is considered. Question Of The Day:What was your opinion of the perpetrator in The Skyline Killer Like or Dislike? John

Added: Monday 24 August 2015 00:12:06 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

Yeah, 66 seems too young for Melody Patterson's age. That means she was 16 in 1965 when she started on F-Troop. Maybe her listed year of birth is incorrect or she was a very convincing actress acting a lot older than she was in F-Troop.

Added: Sunday 23 August 2015 21:46:17 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

LB, I'd shake your cyber hand if there was an emoticon for it. Despite the trends that Hill Street Blues started in cop shows, it's ironic that is forgotten today. It bothered me how Jack Lord was always called wooden, stiff, one-note, monotonal, etc., by people who obviously never bothered to watch the show and are deaf and blind. I think such nasty criticism influenced people in judging Jack's acting - people who might have given him more credit read the negative reviews and let it determine how they would critique him.

Another candidate for a show that got a lot of critical love but whose appeal faded over time was Cagney and Lacey. It won so many awards, but when I watched a few episodes a while back, I was bored out of my skull. It was just a bunch of detectives talking - in their office, in their car, and on the street. Tyne Daly and Sharon Gless are good actresses, but not here.

The show was canceled twice during its run and also had the same relationships storylines that I don't like in cop shows.

Added: Sunday 23 August 2015 20:36:21 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

Very kind words by Larry Storch for Melody Patterson in reporting her passing. I'm surprised she was only 66. Larry is still going at 92! I always liked him, thought he was a funny guy.

Added: Sunday 23 August 2015 18:51:00 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

More than Columbo, the series that I most could not understand the critics love of was Hill Street Blues.

In my view, this series started many bad habits that crime drama series still have today, such as story arcs that continue over a number of episodes, side stories such as romance that have nothing to do with that week’s plot, and a devotion to realism that could sometimes be depressing. As we have previously discussed with Five-O 2.0, ongoing story arcs such as the toolbox will not hold up when viewing the series in syndication years later because we will know how that turned out. I also believe that romantic interludes only add to an episode if it relates to the storyline, such as Danny’s girlfriend who was killed in Beautiful Screamer or McGarrett’s girlfriend in Man In A Steel Frame. As for realism, I have always preferred more escapism on television, unless it is carried to the point of being ridiculous. TV shows are not real, so why go to extremes to try and make them appear so by doing absolutely silly things like having more than ten people talking in a scene at the same time like Hill Street did?

I also never understood the critical love for actors such as Daniel J. Travanti, Michael Conrad, and especially Dennis Franz. Like with Peter Falk, all were very good actors, but they did not stand out as being head and shoulders above the rest as they were made out to be by critics. Jack Lord played the role of a cop with much more passion and grittiness than any of these guys ever did or could, and he was often criticized for being wooden and robotic. Seriously, who would you rather watch capture a hardened criminal, McGarrett or these three guys?

It is also interesting to note that while Hill Street was busy winning every Emmy imaginable, it rarely even won its’ timeslot (usually against Knots Landing), and the highest Nielsen rating ever achieved in a season was number 21. There was one other little tidbit about this series that I found interesting. The first two seasons were released by 20th Century Fox on DVD in 2006, but the remainder of the series was not released until 2014 when the Shout Factory released the complete series. Could this have been due to a lack of consumer demand? For all the critical acclaim, this series is largely forgotten today, while Five-O 1.0 will be talked about by fans forever and spawned a 2.0 series that will last at least six seasons. 1.0 was also released consistently by season on DVD once season one came out. Am I missing something here?

Added: Sunday 23 August 2015 18:14:11 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

I agree about Columbo. Peter Falk was a good actor, but Columbo was tiresome. It was a novelty in the first few shows, but how long are you going to watch someone commit a murder, then get killed with kindness for an hour an a half by a police detective who is constantly hanging around, questioning them, and then reveals some tiny clue that was overlooked in the beginning to link them to the murder, ending with that person confessing to everything or denying it?

Added: Sunday 23 August 2015 10:57:11 MST


Submitted by: Ben Masters
From: Fountain Inn, SC

What L.B. said about Columbo before: I agree, and I also could never understand why it got all the love. I purchased that first-season DVD release before and saw it through, and to me, it is one of the absolute worst shows I have ever seen, and the DVD release a waste of money. I will seldom go back to it again.

Added: Saturday 22 August 2015 07:49:31 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

Melody Patterson, a former wife of James MacArthur, has passed at age 66. She was also in a few Five-O episodes including "Nightmare in Blue". RIP Melody.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/%E2%80%98f-troop%E2%80%99-actress-melody-patterson-dies-at-66/ar-BBlZq7z?li=BBgzzfc%3Focid%3Dfbmsn

Added: Saturday 22 August 2015 06:17:34 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

HFO Forever & Classic HFO Fans.
It's a tight squeeze but I would have to shoehorn The Singapore File into my Top 20 Classic HFO. McG & Nicole had a dazzling chemistry between them. Love the episode! McGarrett didn't know who he could trust in Singapore and he had to keep Nicole the witness alive to testify. One of my FAV scenes is McG & Nicole with their wind-swept hair in the back of the truck. Didn't know if they would live or die. Fantastic!
Once Upon A Time would fit between 30-40 on my list. An emotional episode to be sure. I wish there were more episodes of McG and his sister. Strong ending with Classic McG and his vegetable dye trick. Zipser was an underrated character. Love this episode because it was 20 years ahead of it's time. We are still dealing with these natural healers and weird approaches to kill cancers in 2015.
My FAV scene in Double Exposure is when the Ann Wearing character is struck by the car and the killers overtake the ambulance. An incredible scene! John

Added: Thursday 20 August 2015 16:26:10 MST


Submitted by: Jeff
From: Denver

My favorite moment from "Double Exposure" is any scene with Thayer David as Doyle Weston, particularly when he's eating baby food, aka his "medicine". One of my favorite bad guys from the later seasons.

Added: Thursday 20 August 2015 12:25:40 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

"Singapore File" - Great episode, but I have so many favorites, this is probably in my top 40. I love Marj Dusay. A guest star in many other great shows including Star Trek, SoSF and Quincy M.E. And even if they never really shot any scenes outside Hawaii (Honolulu Chinatown is where the Singapore bar/club is suppose to be and the Byodo In Temple on Oahu substituted for Manila), it was still great. The bond between Nicole and Steve seemed genuine.

"Double Exposure" - That was okay. Got to love Meg Foster. A decent plot, but it's bends the imagination that a chance image capture is going to set off the chain of events that happened. Can you imagine that happening today when there are video cameras everywhere? I think I saw once that the average time someone is videoed is something like 14 times a day.

"The Case Against McGarrett" - For me, a sub par episode. I think they went to the "Vashon" well once too many times. Vashon's vengeance is too over the top to my liking. The other cons, who wanted to get away, should have never put up with the silly trial. Sorry, I get cynical when I think producers put out an episode or a movie, just to capitalize on prior success. :)

Added: Thursday 20 August 2015 10:22:30 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

John,

I love McG in the copter at the end of "Double Exposure". Never had a problem with it and it's excellently shot! Plus I love that overhead shot of the baddie's car careening down the hill and bursting into flames!

H50 1.0 FOREVER,

I'm sorry but the only thing from seasons 10-12 that can touch "The Singapore File" is "The Skyline Killer". Nothing else comes close! As for "Once Upon a Time" it's a well made story but it's just not FIVE-O to me.

Added: Thursday 20 August 2015 09:47:34 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

Do you remember when we said our favorite episodes were "Once Upon a Time" and "The Singapore File"? Of course, only two or three seasons on DVD had been released at the time, but we were certain that nothing could come along to surpass them. Now, when asked to name our favorite episodes, those two still come up, but they are much farther down the list, even behind a few Season 11 and 12 episodes. Just goes to show, the entire series was cracker jack!

Added: Thursday 20 August 2015 04:52:45 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

There were so many excellent 70's Crime Shows just thinking this AM. Hawaii Five O, Streets of San Francisco, Police Story,Cannon to name a few. I thought Cannon was well written and had some great episodes. Lost count how many times Cannon was hit from behind or shot over the episodes.
I was watching The Case Against McGarrett last night and Double Exposure tonight. I'm amazed by the intelligent writing and strong acting by HFO and the actors deep into Years 8 and 9.
Vashon gets one last chance at McGarrett inside the prison with the mock trial but it falls apart as Rescue Team rescues McGarrett. Very good episode. I like how Danny finds out about Vashon and his parole through the newspaper. They remember the Vashon case through the use of flashbacks. McGarrett does excellent job in his discussion with the parole board showing how Vashon still powerful in the rackets. This is 5 stars good.
Double Exposure should be in my Top 2O HFO episodes list. A real masterpiece in direction, acting, and writing. Scenes fit perfectly and natural progression to next scene. Not a syllable wasted. Who thought taking a simple photo or 2 would cause so much trouble for Ann Wearing? Other than McG and his firing from the copter, it is nearly perfect. 5.5 stars.
Question Of The Day HFO:What is your FAV scene in Double Exposure? John

Added: Thursday 20 August 2015 00:06:33 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

Re: John Chergi's remark, "I don't know how the thief knew about the wall safe..."

I think Madame Souvang told him where to find it. Almost certainly, she hired him to steal the classified microfilm. He decided to profit from it, himself, before Djbarra stole it from him. Then, Madame Souvang had Djbarra killed, took possession of the microfilm, and was about to sell it when McGarrett nabbed her.

Lots of red herrings in this episode. Who would have suspected that sweet little old grandmother?

Added: Wednesday 19 August 2015 13:56:41 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

STREETS OF SAN FRANCISCO was another curious case. It never made the top 20 during its run, despite being nominated for numerous Emmy awards (including Best Dramatic Series).

As for FIVE-0's 8th season it would seem really odd to me that it dropped completely out of the top 30 just because it moved to Friday night opposite ROCKFORD on NBC (a show that wasn't doing too good in the ratings anyway and didn't make the top 30 either). FIVE-0 went from #10 during the 7th season to disappearing completely from the top 30 during the 8th season? A season which was just as strong (some say even stronger) as season 7? It certainly wasn't due to viewers losing interest because then the following season (9) it was back up to #19 and even during season 10 (when the show's decline began) it was still up at #23. I'm convinced there is some mistake with those season 8 stats. You can see it here: http://bit.ly/1WD4yK7

As a matter of fact if you check out FIVE-0 on Wikipedia (which I know is not always a reliable source) you will see a different picture. There it's ranked #13 during the 1975-76 season. I'm much more inclined to believe this ranking. That's how I would imagine the gradual decline in the show's viewership to be - from #3 during season 5, then to #5, #10, #13, #19, #23. It makes more sense this way. Here is the Wiki link: http://bit.ly/1Jgcois

Added: Tuesday 18 August 2015 16:39:01 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Classic HFO Fans. Great Classic HFO Talk as usual. I have moved Engaged To Be Buried into my Top 10 Classic HFO all time. Watched it a few times this summer. Powerful episode indeed! Themes of Love, Family, Crime explored. So many incredible scenes. Chin & Daughter in HFO office talk, the copter ride over to Father Jack's, the amazing scene with the runaway explosive car. I still can't believe Rono shot and killed Father Jack. That must have been conversation talk in the early 70's. Killing a priest. Agree A Jury Of One and The Diamond That Nobody Stole good episodes but nothing fantastic. I don't know how the thief knew about the wall safe and the ending to the end of Diamond really makes no sense. I guess the ending will be remembered for the snapshot scene of Ben jumping the fence.

On Ratings:I was born in the mid 70's but I remember the Cannon series had good ratings but Mr. Conrad after 5 seasons decided to call it a day. Similar to Rockford. I read somewhere Rockford did many of his own stunts and was often injured. He also had heart surgery in the early 80's so that could be another reason the show ended. Streets Of SF had a good 5 year run as well but Michael Douglas wanted to do movies and things. The Richard Hatch replacement never caught on with Streets SF fans. It's amazing Classic HFO 12 seasons and new HFO 6 years have lasted as long as they did. John

Added: Monday 17 August 2015 19:08:03 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

Ringfire,

You are correct that the lead-ins for Rockford (Sanford and Chico) should not have influenced the ratings beyond Season 1. I pointed out their falling ratings after 1975 because they were significant, and sometimes that can influence the ratings of shows that follow it. With regards to Chico & The Man, one has to put that show in the proper context. Without the death of Freddie Prinze, who knows what that show would have gone on to accomplish ratings wise? It just wasn't the same series after his suicide. Rockford's best ever rating was #12 in season one, so we are not talking about a breakaway hit here.

As to comparing Rockford and the Dukes of Hazzard, yes Rockford was the more substantive series and Garner a superior actor to John Schneider and Tom Wopat, but that doesn't always win the ratings battle. Dukes came along at the perfect time, as you say, right after the Smokey & The Bandit movie success, and was what the public wanted at the time. Another example of critical vs. audience acclaim was Hill Street Blues. Despite winning every Emmy imaginable, it almost never won its' time slot (mostly against Knots Landing), and the highest seasonal rating it ever achieved was 21st place. Furthermore, that series is almost totally forgotten today. Critical acclaim does not always add up to success in the ratings game.

Added: Monday 17 August 2015 17:02:58 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Rainbow,

Yep, I never liked "Percentage". Confusing and mostly uninteresting episode. Too many plots going on at the same time, trying to converge at the end (unsuccessfully). The only part of the story I liked was Sam Green (Milton Selzer) killing Sinclair (Douglas Kennedy) and how McG figures out it was Sam - by checking his hands. Selzer is great in the hand-checking scene. Otherwise an episode to skip.

I agree that the quality of season 5 petered out towards the end. Both "Percentage" and "Diamond That Nobody Stole" are my least favorites of the season. "Engaged to Be Buried" was the last really good one. "Jury of One" however I thought could have been a bit better. I mean it's a good episode as is, but it had such an awesome premise that somehow I expected the episode to be nothing short of excellent. Somehow it never quite reached that level. It even had one of the original "12 Angry Men" as a guest star - Edward Binns playing Curt Lucas's lawyer Evan Mills.

Added: Monday 17 August 2015 16:32:47 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Fred & Rainbow

I've always enjoyed Percentage. There is a great grittiness and toughness to the characters and story. The beginning was both brutal and interesting as O'Hara was killed while Sam Green was on the junket. Brass knuckles tough way to go out of this world.

Love the card table scene in Seoul when the man was out $120,000. He stated he wasn't paying up putting the pressure on Sam Green then.

Definitely a complicated episode but The Gunrunner and Try To Die On Time more convoluted. I like the clue about the murder weapon leaving a mark across the hand lifeline. McG looked at Sam's hands and that answered the question. I think 2 stars a good rating for Percentage. John

Added: Monday 17 August 2015 14:30:51 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Agreed on Seltzer, as he always does a great job.

Don't even get me started on the young girl with the older guy thing as I see it every day with so many people in real life. I don't like it either, but it happens a lot.

Added: Monday 17 August 2015 13:50:00 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

I like "Percentage". It is complex and confusing. I just seem to like any episode Milton Selzer is cast and that goes across other shows. But in Five-O he is superb in "Trouble in Mind" among others. My biggest beef is that Carole Kai is way to young to be interested in the two guys she's suppose to be hooked up with. I know it happens, but I still don't like it. BTW, Carole is still looking good and runs worthy charitable events in Hawaii.

Added: Monday 17 August 2015 10:52:10 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

I thought that "Percentage" was a weird show after viewing it, and I agree with Ringfire that it wasn't one of my favorites for a variety of reasons. Mr. Mike's two star rating was spot on.

First the good. It had a complex plot and well thought out story with several characters. The photography was excellent which was dark, and rich, and this episode to me was the official start of season six because it was gritty, sort of nasty, and dark.

However it's bad parts made it fall apart. It seemed to me that the writers overwrote the story, and then realized that they had only so much time left in the hour and had to wrap the show up quickly. Several story lines were not resolved which they spent so much time setting up. We never find out what happened to Yoshigo's bookkeeper Herman Stein. So much time spent on his story, and it was just a vehicle to help Sam get Yoshigo's books. Kuang is portrayed as a very nasty guy involved with the "syndicate" but all he loses is the $120,000 that MCG impounds at the end for evidence but he gets away. It seemed like something was off during this show. There was even this odd shot of Steve in the office supposedly thinking after being left alone in the office, but his facial expression was just weird. A show that started off with great potential and just sort of fizzled.

I noticed that at the very end of season five that some of the shows fell flat. It was like after so many great monumental episodes that year, the writers ran out of gas towards the end.

Added: Monday 17 August 2015 07:18:23 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

" Also, while not an expert on the series, I always felt the series was at its’ best during season one."

L.B. (Barker? ;)),

I too consider season 1 of ROCKFORD my favorite season. Like the 1st season of FIVE-0, it had a certain raw and fresh feel to it. Plus it gave us some great desert scenery (unlike the later seasons) and Rockford performing lots of cool maneuvers with his Firebird to lose his various pursuers. However, most fans would probably pick season 3 (which I love too) as the show's best season. Which leads me to why I'm not sure I buy the fact that SANFORD and CHICO's dropping popularity affected ROCKFORD in the ratings. I can understand SANFORD and CHICO influencing ROCKFORD during the latter's first season (being a new show that folks were unfamiliar with) and thereby helping push it into the top 20 that season. But by the 3rd season ROCKFORD was a well-established and well-known show (and critically acclaimed too). The idea that it still needed the boost from SANFORD or CHICO (really, does anyone even remember that show today?) seems pretty ridiculous. When a show is good and has a loyal fan base then it shouldn't matter what other shows are lead-ins. Folks will tune in regardless. That's like saying that GENTLE BEN's ratings began to decline and as a result this hurt FIVE-0's ratings. :D GENTLE BEN?? Really?? I just can't believe that ROCKFORD only survived its 6-season run because of other shows that surrounded it and not on its own merits.

"For seasons four through six, Rockford’s direct competition was either The Incredible Hulk or the Dukes of Hazzard"

I haven't seen HULK but DUKES OF HAZZARD was one of the most cheeseball shows of all time. The idea that ROCKFORD couldn't compete with DUKES is mind-boggling!! Now, I'm not disputing you at all because it does indeed look like DUKES was a ratings hit so you probably have a good point there when it comes to ROCKFORD's last 2 seasons. Still, it's just amazing that the great James Garner couldn't keep up with Tom Wopat (who?) and John Schneider. :D Though to be fair the real star was the General Lee!! Plus I have to remind myself that in the late 70s in the wake of SMOKEY AND THE BANDIT car chases were all the rage, no matter how hokey or cornball the "acting" and "plot".

John,

Yes, Rockford was the center of the show but they did have episodes that revolved around his dad Rocky (Noah Beery) like "Gearjammers" and "Coulter City Wildcat". There were also episodes that centered on Beth Davenport (Gretchen Corbett) and Jim's cop pal Dennis Becker (Joe Santos) like "The Becker Connection". It didn't happen too often but it did happen. For that matter on FIVE-0 it didn't happen often either. Back in the day shows were not ensemble shows for the most part. Except for something like MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE or BONANZA. I agree that the seasons with Beth were the best (1-4). I think many fans like the later seasons because of the weasely Angel Martin (Stuart Margolin) who won 2 Emmy awards in a row during the last 2 seasons. He was a great character but I still prefer the freshness of the earlier seasons, especially season 1 (which I don't think even featured Angel except for one episode).

Added: Sunday 16 August 2015 21:04:51 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

Re: "Question Of The Day:In the Force Of Waves, McG is thrown from a boat explosion into the water and saved by Cal. Do you think Force Of Waves would have been better episode if another character was the killer and not Cal and his other personality?"

No, I do not. I think Cal's split personality made the episode. At best, he was frightfully forgetful. At worst, he had a personality defect that caused him to become every bit as dangerous as other Five-0 villains. If Cal had been just a laid-back guy, we'd have seen maybe two scenes that included him, while McGarrett was off, pursuing the real villain.

Added: Sunday 16 August 2015 00:03:23 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

I like the HFO characters better and would watch them over Rockford Files or Streets Of SF. Most of the Streets of SF episodes are centered around Keller & Stone who were excellent actors. They might talk to a lab guy or somebody in the squad but it was mostly them talking and investigating the crimes. Rockford Files was similar. Jim Rockford was the center of the show. His dad was a cool character and some witty writing and great guess stars. I like the Rockford's with Gretchen Corbett. There was no doubt McG was the head of HFO but the writers did a good job making a few Danno episodes like Beautiful Screamer and Journey Out Of Limbo. Kono had some face time in The Big Kahuna episode and later The Ransom. Maybe, the question is:What would you watch today if a Classic HFO episode, Streets of SF episode, and Rockford Files episode were on at the same time? Since it is a HFO forum, I guess the answer would be HFO.
Question Of The Day:In the Force Of Waves, McG is thrown from a boat explosion into the water and saved by Cal. Do you think Force Of Waves would have been better episode if another character was the killer and not Cal and his other personality? John

Added: Saturday 15 August 2015 19:50:07 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

Ringfire,

The ratings for Rockford were the best during its’ first season because the series had the second and third rated shows for that season as lead-ins, Sanford & Son and Chico & The Man respectively, while Police Woman followed Rockford. This was easily NBC’s best night of television during this era, and with those two sitcoms at the height of their popularity, that greatly assisted in getting viewers for Rockford, which was a formidable series in its own right. Second, Rockford had an edge on its’ direct competition on ABC & CBS that season. Also, while not an expert on the series, I always felt the series was at its’ best during season one.

In the second season, Sanford and especially Chico’s popularity began to decline, which hurt Rockford. Furthermore, Rockford’s competition for the first part of the season was none other than Hawaii Five-O. The ratings for both of those series were outside of the top 30 that season due to competing with each other, and Five-O was moved to Thursday nights later during the season.

The further decline of Sanford and Chico as lead-ins in season three didn’t help (this was Sanford’s last season, Chico’s last was one year later). For seasons four through six, Rockford’s direct competition was either The Incredible Hulk or the Dukes of Hazzard on CBS and the always formidable ABC Friday Night Movie. While one can certainly debate the merits of the two programs, Rockford could have never beaten the Dukes of Hazzard in the ratings even under the best of circumstances at that point in time.

In my view, Rockford was an excellent series, although I don’t hold it in the high regard that some do. I generally don’t prefer a lot of humor in crime drama series, as it makes it more difficult to take the characters seriously and takes away much of the sense of danger in the storylines. Garner played his role to perfection, but could you imagine Rockford locking horns with some of Five-O’s nastiest villains?

Added: Saturday 15 August 2015 18:57:47 MST


Submitted by: Titan4
From: Florida

Can anyone tell me anything about the Palm Plaza Hotel that was featured in the episode "A Capitol Crime"? I have searched online to no avail to find a hotel by that name in Oahu and cannot find a hotel that matches its looks either. It has those triangular-shaped balconies which kind of remind me of the ones on the hotel on the west side of the Moana Surfrider (not sure if that is part of the Surfrider or the Outrigger Reef Hotel). Was the Palm Plaza Hotel fictional for that episode? Was it a hotel that has since been demolitioned?

Added: Saturday 15 August 2015 17:06:10 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Fred,

I wouldn't call the ROCKFORD FILES plots lame. Sure, they weren't as interesting as on FIVE-0 (what other show was?) but the one thing you had to admit about ROCKFORD was that it had some excellent writing. It really had some of the best dialogue of 70s TV! Everyone from James Garner to the guest stars were given come really clever and snappy dialogue, which is why it's still such a watchable show today. It hasn't become dated like other shows from that time. It's all in the writing! You'll never see cutesy/corny endings like on STREETS OF SAN FRANCISCO (and I do like STREETS OF SF).

The odd thing is that while ROCKFORD was a big critical success and went on to win numerous Emmy awards it didn't seem to be such a hit in the ratings. Only during its first season did it finish in the top 20. It didn't make the top 20 during the rest of its run. This is odd because the general consensus is that the show got better with the later seasons (especially season 3). Anyone have any ideas on this? It was a Friday night fixture (on NBC at 9PM) for its entire run which is probably not the best night for a show to be on. Still, it did make the top 20 during its first season. So I can't help but wonder what happened during the rest of the seasons.

Added: Saturday 15 August 2015 14:27:45 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

"One Born Every Minute" - A fun episode. Ringire: you are so right about the moment Michael Strong learns that he was duped. And besides the strong plot, the episode has a lot of the elements that I like in very good episode. Lots of good scenery. Hotel scenes. Some of our favorites reoccurring semi-regulars in Jimmy Borges, Tommy Fujiwara and Doug Mossman, not to mention Peter Carew, Patricia Herman, John Stalker, Mitch Mitchell and current Five-O regular, Dennis Chun (son of Kam Fong). Also, a pretty lady in Lynette Mettey. And Ed Flanders was excellent.

"The Payoff" - I love the music. The sad music that always accompanied Jace that echoed his life. Taken by that seductress, Madge played by Madlyn Rhue (her again :) ), Jace's life was a mess. But he could always rely on his gal pal Lila Daniels. I get a lot of the same elements as I do in "One Born Every Minute" plus some great music.

Ringfire: I do like The Rockford Files. James Garner is great, but most of the plots are so lame. Somehow, Garner makes it worth watching.

Added: Friday 14 August 2015 10:11:20 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The victim of what?9

Added: Thursday 13 August 2015 23:19:02 MST


Submitted by: A.Temple
From: Southern California

Had anyone else noticed that the victim (Jake Griffin), looks an awful lot like Mark Hamill? But there is no accreditation or any record of this, that I can find anywhere. Please someone tell me I'm not losing my mind...

Added: Thursday 13 August 2015 23:08:59 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Great comments on the 12 Seasons HFO Vrinda. I am a big fan of Season 11. It has a different style to the seasons and love Sally. The slimmed down HFO team with Danno, Duke, and McG works well. Number One With A Bullet was an exceptional episode. Other gems like Death Mask and Small Potatoes plus the James Bond like The Year Of The Horse enhance the season.

I'd say Season 10 where I notice some slipping. Up The Rebels outstanding episode and Death In The Family a Classic with Chin's death. When Does A War End? is still a mystery to me...Like it was rushed through. The ending was horrible. I would have had Muramoto meeting with The War Crimes & Nazi Hunter in the beginning at a clandestine location. He brings William Barker along just in case hiding in a building or behind some rocks. Things go wrong and Muramoto kills the guy and flees. More continuity that way.

Invitation To Murder was nice change of pace in Season 10. Big Chicken, did you ever meet Toomey & Lew in Seattle? The Payoff was an underrated gem. I like that Jace lived long enough to call Toomey & Lew and tell the story. Great HFO forum talk! John

Added: Thursday 13 August 2015 21:43:55 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Big Chick,

Charles Aarons IT Services? :D

You know I dig it, bay-bee! Steve Crowley was the swingin king of the heppest of the hep cats! When I first saw that episode and saw what our boy Jack was doing when playing Crowley I flipped and went... NO WAAAAY BAY-BEE!! BUT NOOO WAAAAAAAAY!!! OUTTA SIGHT!!! DIG, BABY!! LIKE, DIIIIG!! Total departure from his usual McGarrett persona.

Fred,

Glad you brought up "One Born Every Minute". It never ever gets mentioned for some reason but I think it's an exceptional episode!! I can't believe I never saw this episode in reruns until I got the season 6 DVD. It's the ultimate con-job episode, of any show! ROCKFORD FILES was famous for con-job episodes but the way FIVE-0 did it was the best! It wasn't just an interesting/clever bunco job (which by itself was more than enough for an excellent episode) but it also gave us an emotional wallop when poor Harry (Michael Strong) in utter despair tosses himself out the window. You wouldn't have gotten something like that from ROCKFORD (and I do like ROCKFORD). FIVE-0 was the complete package!!

Added: Thursday 13 August 2015 17:05:49 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

Type-o: There is no dispute about why the show ended.

Added: Thursday 13 August 2015 14:54:35 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

Well said Vrinda. Everyone's tastes and opinions will vary. I too am glad we have as many seasons there are because as seasons 11 & 12 are pretty bad, there are at least a few gems mixed in.

"Ways of Love" - Excellent. We get to see McGarrett way out of character and a side you'd think he didn't have in that straight laced attitude he personifies. Josie Over is the pretty actress dying in the beginning. A Five-O semi regular guest who was taken way too early from this world.

And John, season 6 is my far and away favorite. With season 3 behind that. There's room to argue that the 1st season was the best as well. I think the more classic or purist fan will stick with the first three seasons.

Added: Thursday 13 August 2015 14:43:35 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: NJ

"We are all lucky that our favorite show has twelve years of episodes for all of us to analyze, praise, criticize, and comb through. Many fans of other shows are limited to a few years."

That's what I think when I see people complain about Seasons 10, 11, and 12. They may not be the best seasons, but at least Hawaii Five-O lasted that long. Some shows were cancelled abruptly, like Ironside, even though it had reasonable ratings. When a show is cancelled or no apparent reason, it leaves the audience questioning why and wondering what if.

With Hawaii Five-O, we know it wasn't cancelled because of low ratings or network politics. Jack wanted Season 12 to be the last season, and that was that. There are those who wonder what a 13th season would be like, or what would have happened if the show continued with a different cast or what the reunion movies would have been like. However, there is dispute about the show ending. It ran its course and made a planned exit.

Added: Thursday 13 August 2015 13:15:28 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Rainbow & Big Chicken

Agree on The Ways of Love as an excellent show. Love when McG goes undercover to shadow Barca in prison and the breakout. Love the tight camera work in the elevator when Barca & McG subdue the guard on the breakout. I always thought Barca was ugly and one of the most amoral characters in the HFO catalogue. That's saying alot considering the diabolical villains on the show. This is a very violent show. The actress who dies in the early chase was beautiful. Don't know about the ending. Knowing Barca couldn't be trusted, I think McG did the right thing following him to the temple. Ways of Love earns a strong 5 stars out of 6 stars. Closer to 5.5.

Question of the Day: Do you think Season 6 was the strongest season of Classic HFO? John

Added: Thursday 13 August 2015 12:39:31 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

From the last post - I said I liked "The Payout" and it should have been the "The Payoff".

Added: Thursday 13 August 2015 10:23:22 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

Rainbow: No need to feel "under fire". It seemed that the majority of the comments support "Little Girl Blue". Me personally, I don't like it. I had lots of comments deriding "No Blue Skies". Not everyone is going to like my favorites and vice versa I would think. No hard feelings on my side.

John: "King of the Hill" - Good episode. But I personally rank it somewhere in the middle. Great acting and a pretty good script. I bought into the psycho drama and the flashbacks because of the baseball bat knock on the head. But there's something in the plot that doesn't make sense to me in the marine's delirium. I can't place it exactly, but it seems Auston's decisions counteracts his position of trying to protect his superior officer (in this case, Danno).

"90 Second War" - That got a 7 of 10 rating on IMDB. To me, it's okay. I don't buy into the Wo Fat episodes as much as most everyone else. The McGarrett/Wo Fat ongoing battles are fine. While, for the most part they are entertaining, I do take issue of the Armed Forces and/or CIA/FBI taking a back seat to McGarrett and letting him fly on their cases, even to the point of divulging top secret details to McGarrett to help him with the case. Yes, McGarrett is a former Navy Commander, but I just don't see that coming close to happening in real life.

I like the IMDB top favorites like "Hookman" and "Over 50? Steal", but I'll go off the mainstream as well. I like "The Payout" and "One Born Every Minute" just as much.

Added: Thursday 13 August 2015 09:28:36 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Big Chicken:

Thanks for coming out of your hideaway, and giving me back-up on "Little Girl Blue." You and Ringfire are like the HPD always there with the quick backup and support when I'm "under fire." Thank God for you guys.

"Ways of Love" is a great show. One of the most memorable in a season one of always remembered shows.

We are all lucky that our favorite show has twelve years of episodes for all of us to analyze, praise, criticize, and comb through. Many fans of other shows are limited to a few years. The only other show I love that has it similar is JAG with ten years.

Added: Thursday 13 August 2015 06:41:31 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

FRED

Great HFO Talk as usual. Filer was some kind of character. I'd put Over Fifty Steal in my Top 20. Somewhere 15-20. I've been reshuffling my Top 20 lately watching some Classic episodes again. Love when Filer escapes from the business leaving his Monopoly card. McG & HFO team work as hard as usual using the hubometer and analyzing the stuff on Filer's shoes as a possible place to his hiding the loot.

I nominate King Of The Hill as one of the first Classic HFO episodes. Admire how McG balanced his concern for the Cardiac patients with figuring ways to get Danny out alive. For 1968-1969 timeframe, it is a brilliant episode for crime dramas of the era. The Corpsman idea was sheer McG genius and this creative problem solving would be a signature throughout the series. Yaphet Kotto's acting was exceptional. 6 stars out of 6 on my scale.

Question Of The Day:Do you think the 1st part of The 90 Second War was one of the best of the Classic HFO series? John

Added: Wednesday 12 August 2015 23:28:53 MST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Charles Aarons IT Services

Hey Rainbow, Chicken down with "Little Girl Blue.” Ron Feinberg’s hat trick Five-O appearance don’t disappoint and Chicken love the Tarantino-esque self-referencin that make it a feast for Five-o heads. I specially dig the nod to ‘Pray Love Remember’s unlicensed drivin which is followed up later by echoin the endin to ‘King a the Hill.’

And your comments on the Five-O "set piece" dramas- True Dat! A real forte of the show from ‘The Box’ onto S7’s "The Hostage” and S9’s "Capital Crime.”

John C – Chicken dug when Aarons put the dead dudes prints on the glasses in "Computer Killer” as well. I agree Aarons was a brilliant criminal, so methodical and detailed. Hard to decide who was the baddest a the Five-O psychos, CK or Cerberus

And RingFire - I recently watched "Ways of Love” again, a near perfect episode! Now you n me been givin props to a lot a season one’s heppest cats, like happenin Jerry Parks & swingin racket king, Joe Matsukino. But theyse ain’t got nothin on our man Steve Crowley. Love Jack morphin from uptight lawman (as Takura calls him) Steve-O/Five-O into groovin Steve Crowley. That really flips me, man. And Chicken knows you can dig it...:D

Added: Wednesday 12 August 2015 23:14:12 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

Mr. Mike: Interesting conversation about the Hubodometer. Sheds a lot of light on the plot of "Over 50? Steal". But you now have to wonder, since Chad Engler said that they odometers were used mainly for trucks and that it was also used for farming purposes, why was it on a rental car? All I can think of is that renting cars back then, miles were part of the price equation. So, maybe the rental companies wanted a foolproof mileage gauge. But if that's the case, why didn't McGarrett think of that earlier? Still in my top 5 all time episodes.

Also Mr. Mike: I agree that "All I Want is Some Candy..." was inspired by the Whitman event. I have no recollection from that time, but I do remember the Kurt Russell movie. It's been a while since I saw that movie, but I remember it to be very riveting and intense. The show Mad Men had a scene or two with the characters being horrified with the events of the shooting.

John & H5O: I love Duke. My two favorite scenes with him is when he gets his badge back in "Death is a Company Policy" and when he chews out the HPD officer at the hospital in I think it was "Death With Father". His anger was out of character for him and that made it a great scene as a result. But, I think Herman was better in his limited role. I just don't think he was a full episode kind of actor. That said, he always brought character and integrity to any of his episodes.

John: I like "Didn't We Meet at a Murder". I only question the plot as to whether Wellman would kill to keep his homosexual secret and how Clem's secret could have possibly been discovered. But overall, I chalk that to my mantra of trying to enjoy the show for the entertainment value outside a rational mind.

Ringfire: All those Season 5 episodes you mention are classic. Love them, except for "Little Girl Blue". :)

Added: Tuesday 11 August 2015 21:19:31 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

When I first saw "Little Girl Blue" it immediately became one of my all-time favorites! It was during that Easter weekend back in 1997 (that I had mentioned earlier) that I watched this episode for the first time, along with the other season 5 classics "The Child Stealers", "Thanks for the Honeymoon", "Will the Real Mr. Winkler Please Die?", and "The Listener". Out of those 5 "Little Girl Blue" was my favorite!

Then some years later I finally saw "Candy and a Gun" for the first time and it immediately became my favorite episode. But then shortly thereafter I saw "Rest in Peace, Somebody" and that one became my favorite. ;) "Candy and a Gun" therefore slipped into the #2 spot. It still remains one of my absolute favorites. It's also superior to "Little Girl Blue". The latter doesn't have the same edge as the former and is basically a retread of the earlier premise. That said, it's still a solid episode and I still have fond memories of it. Luther attacking the cop who pulls him over is a tense scene! Yes I'll take it over "Odd Lot Caper" any old day.

Added: Tuesday 11 August 2015 19:15:20 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

Duke was not used to his full advantage. When he was allowed to take the ball and run with it, he did just as surely as Herman Wedemeyer did with a football. For example, the scene in "30,000 Rooms and I Have the Key," when he tails the diamond courier from the airport to the hotel.

I'd like to know why Duke wasn't used more fully. Was it because Herman Wedemeyer was doing H50 part time while he worked as a state representative (only through 1974)? He suffered a heart attack at some point during the series. Perhaps, that had something to do with his playing small parts?

In any case, Duke was well liked and was readily accepted as a Five-0 team member, whether he wore an HPD uniform or a sports coat and tie.

Added: Tuesday 11 August 2015 19:06:56 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Ringfire, I know you like "Little Girl Blue"

Sorry, everyone I will totally disagree. I'll take "Little Girl Blue" over the bland, boring, and inert "Odd Lot Caper" any day of the week.

Added: Tuesday 11 August 2015 18:00:52 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Season 6 premiere news (spoilers):

http://www.cbs.com/recommended-galleries/1004276/this-fall-cbs-keeps-good-going-on-tv-with-an-awesome-new-lineup/85925/hawaii-five-0/

Added: Tuesday 11 August 2015 16:46:40 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Always like your comments Fred.There's always intelligent and outstanding Classic Hawaii Five O talk on the forum. I'm curious why Didn't We Meet At A Murder? isn't more of a FAV of Season 4. I've watched it probably 6 times and it's nearly flawless in it's writing and execution. There are some questions like:How did Mauritany find about the tunnel? and Did Wellman commit suicide or did Clem Brown push him off the building?

Some Classic HFO episodes moving up my Top 20 list from this year's watching.All The King's Horses, Nine Dragons, Engaged To Be Buried,The Bomber & Mrs. Moroney & Nightmare In Blue. Some that I lowered in my list. The Big Kahuna, Six Kilos, Tsunami, The Diamond Nobody Stole.

First Watches 2015:Invitation To Murder and Angel In Blue. There's still a few in Season 10 & Season 12 I don't remember. Holding out on those for future watching.

Classic HFO Question of the Day: Do you think Duke was an underrated investigator or could HFO have functioned smoothly without Duke? John

Added: Tuesday 11 August 2015 14:54:04 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

It is quite likely the mass shooting in this show, which was broadcast on October 26, 1971, was inspired by the rampage of Charles Whitman at the University of Texas in Austin on August 1, 1966. (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman )

There was a 1975 TV movie about this shooting called The Deadly Tower. It starred two actors who appeared on Five-O: Kurt Russell as Whitman and Richard Yniguez as the cop who took him out. Other Five-O stars in this show included Ned Beatty, Paul Carr, Alan Vint and Pernell Roberts.

Added: Tuesday 11 August 2015 13:36:58 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oaks

I agree, Fred. H50 sank really low when it aired "Little Girl Blue." Using stock footage for transition scenes, like driving from Point A to Point B, is one thing, but using them for major scenes doesn't work in my book. Terrible episode! Worst of the worst.

Added: Tuesday 11 August 2015 13:23:20 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

I always say everyone has their own opinions in liking shows. But sorry, "Little Girl Blue" is near the bottom of all the episodes outside Seasons 11 & 12. It's a retread episode and not very creative. It is certainly my nomination for the worse episode in Season 5.

Added: Tuesday 11 August 2015 09:17:47 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Rainbow

Never the biggest fan of Little Girl Blue but I like the ending. McG thought on his feet when the Feinberg character was ex-military and had some mental problems. I think it helped Debbie knew Luther. Don't think he would have hurt the child. It was an incredible feat McG got him off the hill. The grandmother as the villain was a nice twist but it reminded me of Killer at Sea when they accuse the Keane Curtis character of being part of the conspiracy. Happens real fast. Probably 2 and 1/2 stars.

The Candy and Gun episode. Liked this one better than Little Girl Blue. Shem was a likable character. My only problem with the episode is I which there was more carnage early with Shem hitting more cars and people. That would have been Top 5 episode because they would have had to protect multiple wounded and shoot the sniper. It bogs down quickly when the attractive woman flags down the officer and the cops get shot. HFO comes in fast. Love many aspects of the episode. The psycho babble of the psychologist, Mrs. Shem a real piece of work, the courageous Paul who risked his life and died trying to get the sniper,Shem's young girlfriend/wife who helped fill in some details etc. I really enjoyed when the HFO team & HPD fanned out and walked up the hill. Real suspenseful and authentic. It reminds me of The Case Against McGarrett when Danny & the HPD teamed up in the dangerous mission to rescue McG from the jail. This is a very strong episode. As usual, HFO was 20+ yrs ahead of its time with these lone wolf shooters who shoot innocent people. That was intelligent writing making Shem a marksman sniper. It made HFO task even more difficult. This is 3 star episode with a leaning towards 3.5 on 4 star scale. John

Added: Monday 10 August 2015 19:43:51 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Happy Monday all!

I really loved "Little Girl Blue" as I watched it over the weekend, even though it was basically the producers taking much of the footage from "and I want some Candy and a Gun that shoots." and reworking it into a less violent, more dramatic stage play like show.

The beginning, I was fooled into thinking that it had serious storyline errors like "why would Luther kill the police officer and panic just because he was asked for his drivers license?" and then "How could little Debbie sleep through all that during the beginning of the show?"
It was explained though by the end of the show and it all made sense. Good story and really compelling. There were flaws in it which Mr. Mike detailed in his review which kept if from four star land, but I thought it was a very good three star show, and it had a nice little surprise ending of the grandmother being the mastermind as she was going to send her own daughter to jail to raise her grandchild!

This is one of those "set piece" dramas that Five-O did so well where all the action takes place in basically one location outside and is structured and acted like a stage play on Broadway where it's roots basically are. "The Clock Struck Twelve" and "Thanks for the Honeymoon." were all this type of show and Season One's "The Box" was another. I thought that Five-O did these types of shows better than any other program. I always found them the most mesmerizing too, because you could not look away.

Added: Monday 10 August 2015 06:39:11 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"Yes, My Deadly Daughter. Might be the best episode in the entire series. John"

That's a mighty tall order. Better than "Hookman"? Better than "Vashon"? It's quite a good episode but far from great. It doesn't even make my top 5 for season 9. I thought "Didn't We Meet at a Murder?" was your favorite. Personally I find the latter to be the superior episode. But even that one I can't call the best in the series.

Added: Sunday 09 August 2015 12:37:43 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

Ringfire
Thanks for the name Marla. Couldn't remember her name in A Deadly Courier. Aware they were the same actress in both episodes. Big fan of Yes, My Deadly Daughter. Excellent acting Lee Mei, Varna, Jerry, Chang Liu. Might be the best episode in the entire series. John

Added: Saturday 08 August 2015 20:22:37 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

John,

Both Lee Mei Lieu in "Deadly Daughter" and Marla Kahuana in "Deadly Courier" were played by Irene Yah-Ling Sun. You may already be aware of this.

I noticed that in "Nine Dragons" the bad Chinese general's voice is dubbed by James Hong! It's unmistakable!! This is the general to whom Wo Fat explains his plan and shows him McGarrett's signed confession. This general was to take over when the Chinese high command was poisoned.

Added: Friday 07 August 2015 16:26:33 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

L.B. brought up an interesting topic a few posts ago about favorite female Hawaii Five O villain Classic. Off top of my head Gold-Nicole Fleming The beautiful but poisonous villain in F.O.B. Honolulu. Poor CDR Nicholson never stood a chance. Silver-Mei Lee Yes, My Deadly Daughter. Used Jerry to steal the millions off her syndicate father. Lured poor Jerry to his death in the warehouse. Varna did him in as HFO just missed capturing both. Bronze-Several choices here. Can't think of the name but the female villain in Deadly Courier who used hypnosis and other forms of behavior modification on Danno. There are some I'm missing. Maybe, the Classic HFO fans can think of others. John

Added: Wednesday 05 August 2015 18:15:53 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Under the Live Oak Trees

The Coast Guardsman who keeps the Cape Corwin page on Facebook informed me that the men who served on Corwin called her "Cape McGarrett" when she appeared on the show so often. Neat!

By the way, this is US Coast Guard Day.

Added: Tuesday 04 August 2015 18:17:09 MST


Submitted by: Fred
From: Chatsworth, CA

I like the "Winkler" episode a lot too. Persoff is good as always. Although I do get tired of his yelling/screaming. That seems to be his schtick. He does it in every role he plays.

FYI, the secret house is at the Makapu'u lighthouse. You can glimpse the lighthouse in a scene or two. While the house is no longer there, you can see the white stone guard rails on Google Maps. The final scene is near Koko Head. There's a shooting complex there. W & W Distributors, Winkler's place of business, was just outside Waikiki, just a block northwest of the Ala Moana Mall. And the store was also seen in "No Blue Skies" as the place where the fence, Linkoa, gets gunned down.

"Computer Killer" is good. It loses something with me when Aarons becomes a killer too. I would had rather seen him rely on manipulating the story only with computers.

And I am a fan of "A Woman's Work...". Good stuff there. Edgy, as everyone is saying. I a have an issue when there's older actors paired with young actresses when there's there's no apparent logic to the matching. Eugene Roche is too old for the Margaret character. What's her attraction in him for her to marry an older guy? He's not attractive and he's not rich or successful. And he's certainly not charming or nice. Makes an odd match in my opinion. Other than that, it's very good. Startling crimes by lower middle class, clean looking white women. A cultural shock to the mass for that time.

Added: Sunday 02 August 2015 15:34:50 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Interesting, someone contacted me today regarding the odometer used in "Over Fifty? Steal!" His family's company made these devices. See the trivia section of this episode:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/5-0log3.htm#59

Added: Sunday 02 August 2015 15:26:26 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Sorry Chickie-Bay-Bee, but "Odd Lot Caper" just doesn't flip me, man. With an episode like "The Listener" or "Here Today...Gone Tonight" I'm swingin, baby! I do like a great deal "Leopard on the Rock" with your man Hood-Clovis. Ha! What a last name for a hood, eh?? I dig that cat! I also agree with you on "Computer Killer" - excellent episode!! Easily a top 5 for the season. I would only place "I'll Kill 'Em Again" and "The Young Assassins" above that one for season 7. I thought season 7 felt a lot like season 6 in many ways - it felt like a continuation of that season. Lenny Freeman had passed away but the show still had the same crew from the previous season - producer William Finnegan, supervising producer Bob Sweeney, story consultants Ken Pettus and Curtis Kenyon. Any drop in quality was minor I think. With season 8 we got a major crew change - producer Richard Newton and supervising producer Philip Leacock replaced Finnegan and Sweeney. Newton and Leacock were new to the show - they hadn't worked on the show previously in any capacity. Surprisingly the show still remained strong and I didn't notice any drop in quality from the previous season. I know some that even like season 8 more than season 7.

L.B.,

"A Woman's Work is With a Gun" was another excellent season 7 episode! I thought it was really edgy in portraying these women on a murderous crime spree. Dina in particular was an unhinged psychopath!! Very original and daring stuff. I can't remember another show during that time doing a story like this. Like you said, this was 17 years before THELMA AND LOUISE. To be honest T&L doesn't come close to being as disturbing as this episode. T&L had some humor in it whereas this episode had none of that. It really could have been a season 6 episode, alongside the likes of "One Big Happy Family", "Death With Father", and "Nightmare in Blue". Edgy stuff there! I agree with you that the 3 women were played excellently by "actresses" who didn't have much of anything on their resume. I noticed that season 7 tended to use guest stars in major roles who had little to no acting credits on their resumes. Jeff David who plays the "Computer Killer" is another such guest star. It looks like he did some voice acting but not much else. I certainly had never heard of him. Unlike Robert F. Simon who plays the father in that same episode, who showed up in just about every show during that time and was a reliable character actor on TV and in films. Had this episode aired during one of the earlier seasons Charles Aarons would have been played by a well-known character actor, seeing as he's the main guest star. Even Greg Mullavey who played Cerberus was a better known actor than Jeff David, and he wasn't even the main guest star in "The Listener" - Robert Foxworth was. I also noticed that during season 7 they began to give bigger parts to stock actors like Kwan Hi Lim (check him out in "6,000 Deadly Tickets") who prior to this were relegated to smaller parts.

Added: Sunday 02 August 2015 14:28:38 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Big Chicken: Good to hear from you. I get you on "Odd Lot" as each show hits us a certain way. There is no right or wrong on our favorite shows, as it is all subjective. Maybe one day I will review "Odd Lot" and look at through all the eyes of those here who like it.

Now, on to "Will the Real Mr. Winkler Please Die?" which is terrific, and has quickly become one of my favorites because I had never seen it before prior to this weekend. A few criticisms first. I thought, that Winkler overreacted to the TV interview at the beginning. I agree with Mr. Mike that a local TV interview would not have gone far, but his panicked reaction to it caused the whole drama to be set in motion.

Two, when Steve arrives in Denver, it is beautifully sunny with absolutely no snow on the ground and green grass. Yet, we know it is winter because we see him in the CIA big shots office talking about and looking at the snowstorm falling outside the office. Then when McGarrett meets with Roglov in the law library in Denver there are palm trees, sunny skies, and orange tiled roofs on the houses as seen through the windows, as it looks like Hawaii or LA and not Denver, and as someone who travels through Denver quite a bit during the winter, I can tell you that Denver is a Winter Wonderland in December and January, so that was a goof.

Finally at the end of the show, the tourists who get out of the station wagon and go into Winkler's shop, leave but don't get back into the wagon to move on. How did they get around Hawaii? Helperin gets Winkler into the wagon at gunpoint, but it is empty, so how did Halperin get rid of the tourists?

With those questions aside, Winkler is a top notch show. Nehemiah Persoff is superb, the plot is complex and intelligent, and I love the top secret meeting place in Oahu. The scene where Steve is in the CIA big shot's office and looks out at the snow falling and talks about his dislike of it, is something I thought, I would never see in "Hawaii Five-O."

The ending of Steve and Winkler walking towards the mountain at the end talking about Winkler's new life is the show at it's best. I can hear the music swelling now!

A great three star episode. A real treat for me to see this for the first time. Bravo!

Added: Sunday 02 August 2015 14:12:10 MST


Submitted by: John Chergi
From: Pittsburgh PA

L.B.

I think Mr. Mike gave HFO 7th Season Episode A Woman's Work With A Gun 3 stars on 4 star system. That's about right. It started out excellent with Dina in charge as they robbed the tour buses. The Fay woman's story with the sick kid who needed an operation was strong motivation for her robbing. It was a good story angle. Most of the mothers and parents could sympathize with her plight. Things started to unravel when Maggie was killed during one of the offenses. Che was able to use some kind of technique to enhance the photo which showed Fay and some kind of make of car. There's good action as Fay is scared to death of Dina and wants out of the operation. Fay agrees to pay Maggie's horrible husband to knock the irrational Dina off. Dina sees the man and then goes racing off to finish Fay. Does she finish Fay before McG can get there? Watch and find out.

Big Chicken-Computer Killer was an excellent episode. I thought Aarons was a brilliant criminal and computer genius. He should have gotten away with the crime. Those pesky HFO detectives got in the way. I love when he put the dead man's fingerprints on the glasses. Then he used the MO of another criminal to kill a lady dropping the glasses by the lady. I'd give Computer Killer a strong 3.5 stars. John

Added: Saturday 01 August 2015 23:41:35 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

Speaking of the 7th season, today I watched "A Woman’s Work Is With A Gun”. This was definitely one of the more unique storylines in the series, essentially "Thelma & Louise” 17 years ahead of time. The most interesting plot twist was the motivations for each woman: a junkie with a habit, the single mother with a very sick child, and the wife with an abusive husband. Their individual problems were so great that though each one wanted to quit robbing the buses, they couldn’t. One thing that would have elevated the episode more would have been a better ending. It is important to note that female villains were rarely shot or even harmed at the end of episodes during this era. Given how evil Dina's character was, it would have been more satisfying for the audience had she been at least wounded in a shootout or wrecked trying to escape from Five-O in her vehicle.

I found it interesting also that the three villains, played by Patricia Hindy, Patrecia Wynand, and Dale Morse, did not have a lot of other acting credits. This is unfortunate, given how well all three played their respective roles in this episode. My vote for the best female villain on Five-O was Asuko in "The Capsule Kidnapping”, played by Suesie Elene.

Added: Saturday 01 August 2015 20:12:31 MST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Hood-Clovis & Walters Reunion Tour

All dis talk bouts Season 7 and no mention a "Computer Killa"???? Not only is this an exception ep light years ahead a is time - but CK be the baddest, badass psychopath outsides a Cerberus. He coldly, methodically go about commitin heinous murders and calmly updatin online records till he go mucho loco, combustin with rage at elder Tillis: "Guys like you have been using me for years! Using my brain to make millions of dollars and chalking it up to the miracle of the computer. Well, Jack - I'M YOU'RE MIRACLE!"

Outrageous stuff! And love the schoolkid smirk CK have at the end when he headed to the stand to give up Tillis. And no sentencin & jail time be complete without an admonishin lecture from our man McGarrett and Tillis gets a good one from Steve at the conclude. Great, great stuff…..

Lastly, Chicken gotta break ranks with my boys, The Rainbow Warrior & RingFire. Cause I always thought "Odd Lot Caper” had a deft theft scenario and ex Kono Kidnapper Laughlin was a rip - indiscriminately runnin up a body count and sparrin with boss man Murdock. When told he offed the security guard, he answer "figure we shoulda asked him to have a beer?” :D Or giving that stock chick the boot-to-the back when she tell em they ain’t got no cash, replyin –"Who asked you!” Laughlin be a most entertainin thug, indeed.

Dig how the Five-O boys bust it with drudgerous investigative leg work, specially by Chin Ho, and relentless attention to detail. The bad dudes just can’t outwork the Five-O.'Odd Lot’ always a fave a mine, 3 stars from The Chicken! :!cool:

Added: Saturday 01 August 2015 00:39:54 MST


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