Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- August 2012

The Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- August 2012


The following are archived comments from August 2012. After looking around, please add your own comments!

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Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Hiram, do you have a link, so we can see pictures of the subway cars you mentioned?

Added: Friday 31 August 2012 15:28:37 MST


Submitted by: Tony
From: SF

"Those shaky camera moves and constant jump cuts and flash cuts are distracting and add little to the story. Maybe they're used because the producers know the stories aren't that interesting and they use these filming techniques to draw viewers' attention away from it."

Spot on Vrinda. The remake really stinks IMO. Everything about it stinks. I knew when I heard the watered down computerized theme song that we were in for trouble.

Too bad they couldn't have just remade some of the episodes and just updated them for todays audiences.

Added: Friday 31 August 2012 15:04:02 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

guess i'll see 300O MILES for the 1875th time this weekend. it is a GREAT GREAT episode with the famous ending!
new yorkers or those who been to NY or plan to hit NY soon, the Grand Central Station Shuttle that goes between Times Square and Grand Central has a HUGE promo of the ABC show 666 PARK AVE plastered all over the 3 car S train.

on some of the subway doors , is terry o'quinn greeting you. and the inside of the cars, has the feel of a hotel room. check it out.

Added: Friday 31 August 2012 14:21:38 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Good eye! I never picked up on it. Guess those Mayberry-ians can't help themselves. They want to hit it big, eh? Just end up messing with the wrong people when they decide to run off with the money. Another Mayberry-ian (Hope Summers) also took considerable risk when mouthing off to that mad bomber in S3. Speaking of Jack Dodson it seems he died back in 1994. He was only 63 - still young. Apparently he died of heart failure.

Added: Friday 31 August 2012 13:44:26 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

The passing of the great character actor R.G Armstrong at age 95 was not unnoticed - just not posted here. Armstrong was a classmate of Andy Griffith. Anyone ever notice similarities in the two episodes I'M A FAMILY CROOK... with Griffith and MURDER IS A TAXING AFFAIR with another cast member from Mayberry, Jack Dodson (Howard Sprauge) ...Both episodes deal with tourists coming into possession of a bag of money that was the product of a crime and the criminal(s) pursuit of those who came into possession of the money (one innocently, the other were con artists). I think both were written by Jerome Coopersmith. Coincidence?

Added: Friday 31 August 2012 13:22:16 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Rainbow,

Thank you for comments as well. I've also noticed that Wo Fat has become the go-to villain for many episodes. It's as though the writers can't come up with and original bad guy, so someone says, "Let's just reuse Wo Fat again."

"3,000 Crooked Miles" was a clever and well-written story. I love the sting operation at the end, where Steve says, "Aloha, suckers." He was so cool, yet subtle. If the producers of the new show tried remaking that episode, it would be full of Scott Caan's hand gesturing, overreacting, and mouthing off to Steve, Steve ignoring him and going after the con artists himself, while Chin and Kono stay at headquarters and pull up personal information on all the crooks using the Microsoft touchscreen tabletop computer, and phone the information in to Steve and Danno, who act on it.

Mike and Tony,

Those shaky camera moves and constant jump cuts and flash cuts are distracting and add little to the story. Maybe they're used because the producers know the stories aren't that interesting and they use these filming techniques to draw viewers' attention away from it.

Added: Friday 31 August 2012 12:09:17 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Looks like another death went unnoticed. Veteran character actor (mostly in Westerns) R.G. Armstrong passed away this past July. He of course played the stern prison warden Capt. Wade in two Five-0 episodes - "The Box" and "The Double Wall". Fine actor he was! Starred alongside John Wayne, Burt Reynolds, Randolph Scott, Chuck Norris, Arnold Schwarzenegger, etc. Was frequently cast by Sam Peckinpah.

Added: Friday 31 August 2012 11:59:58 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Thank you, H50 1.0,

Those were good examples. In the case of "Short Walk,” it looked like the writers didn’t know how to work the real perpetrator in until the last minute. That can be a challenge in writing stories. You have so many characters with whom you want to work, but there’s only so much room for them when you develop the plot. "Ten Little Indians” really overdid the red herring element. Maybe Christie thought it would build up suspense, but it only diluted the plot.

I think Hawaii Five-O was a combination star system/ensemble system. Given the way the stories were written, you couldn’t rely on one character to carry the storyline, so there had to be others. Jack started out at a time when the star system in place for movies and television, but he was not a recipient of that treatment, given that he played co-starring roles, supporting roles, and even got guest-star billing in one film – which I thought was only used for TV. Many actors were fine with the supporting roles they got, but Jack knew that he could do more, was capable of taking a lead role, and wanted to try for better. You can’t blame him. Even if things did not work out, at least he did all he could do to get star-billing and land a project he could call his own. He lucked out with Hawaii Five-O, but the journey to get there was not easy. At that time, they didn’t give lead roles on TV shows to just anybody, like they do today.

L.B.,
You made many valid points. The side stories are also a deterrent, especially when you see how much screen time they take away from the main plot. I noticed that in certain episodes, the main storyline ended five minutes before the actual end of the show just to make time for those subplots – Danny meeting with that scientist from the museum and Steve saying good-bye to Kathy. It seemed like the crime of the week was incidental and rushed-through to get to these little personal stories at the end.

This "Who’s the Father?” storyline was done to death on soap operas over the years, and this side story is adding nothing new to the idea. The toolbox side story seems to have disappeared. I didn’t hear about it this season. I did miss two episodes over the winter, so I could be wrong. Either way, if they didn’t go back to that storyline, that means that they are not tying up loose ends and leaving their ideas undeveloped. If they did keep it going with no resolution, they are only limiting the watchable content of this show in reruns and on DVDs. Prolonging a side story will only make the audience get tired of it and wait for a resolution just so they can move on. The trick to keeping these side stories fresh and interesting is to keep them short and resolve them within a few episodes. They shouldn’t wear out their welcome.

You’re right about how back-story and people from the main characters’ pasts were worked into story lines on the old show. These elements were used for one episode as part of the main storyline and were not dragged out into several episodes. By utilizing them for one story, I think it gave an opportunity for the back-story details and romantic figures to get more attention and be more developed – like Cathi Wallis in "Time and Memories” or Danno’s background as a naval medic in "Follow the White Brick Road.”

I also noticed that Wo Fat is becoming too ubiquitous now. If the Yakuza is involved, he is there. If the story involves the Chinese or Japanese governments, he is there. If the story is about Steve’s past, Wo Fat is there. It’s gotten to where if the writers don’t know what to write, they do a Wo Fat story. Mark Dacascos deserves better than that. Also, whenever Wo Fat #2 shows up, we know he is going to get away somehow. Even though he was arrested and sent to jail at the end of Season 2, it’s a given that he’ll be out in the season premiere. They’re not going to keep him in jail forever. It won’t make for interesting usage of his character, and he’ll have to plan and execute all his plots to get even with McGarrett and further the Yakuza’s operations remotely, if it’s possible.

Like you said, when Wo Fat #1 turned up on the old show, it was not so frequent that we’d be annoyed with him. When he did show up, like you said, there was always some creative and suspenseful caper going on. It wasn’t a matter of Wo Fat trying to kill Steve and Steve trying to capture him, but Wo Fat had a different plan on his agenda to undertake, which often didn’t involve Steve directly – except in "A Bullet for McGarrett,” "The Ninety-Second War,” and "Nine Dragons.” His other plots – kidnapping agents for mind control experiments ("Cocoon”), kidnapping a scientist ("Forty Feet High – and it Kills”), circulating counterfeit plates ("FOB: Honolulu”), and killing off members of one family to get a vial with some explosive chemical couriered to China ("The Jinn Who Clears the Way”) all involved plans which did not involve Steve personally – except for Steve to investigate them. It wasn’t Wo Fat enacting vendetta on Steve and his family at every turn.

Added: Thursday 30 August 2012 14:07:41 MST


Submitted by: Tony
From: SF

I wonder if the terrible cinematography is on purpose becasue they are trying to mimick the look of a computer image or if it is becasue it is being shot with digital cameras?

I believe the origianl was shot on film, am I correct Mike???

I tried watching one of the new shows but couldn't follow the storyline in part becasue it was so bad and in part becasue I was sooo distracted by the hideous look of the show and the camera constantly moving around.

Oh wait perhaps that is done to distract us from the nonsensical plot???

Added: Thursday 30 August 2012 12:46:46 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Hi, Janny. I've never had a link for guest stars such as you mention. There is a link telling which actors have been nominated for or have won Oscars, which is http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/oscars.htm

Added: Thursday 30 August 2012 11:09:08 MST


Submitted by: Janny
From: Chicago, IL

Hawaii Five-o Classic is my favorite. Currently watching the whole series on Amazon Prime. Almost finished watching season 7.

My love of the series brought me to this wonderful fan site. There used to be a link on the home page listing which celebrity guest starred in what episode. Noticed the link is no longer there. Any idea if the page still exists? If so could you post it?

Added: Thursday 30 August 2012 10:44:25 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Agreed, the multiple angles and constant editing, along with the ants in the pants photography drives me up the wall. :!mad:

Added: Thursday 30 August 2012 09:34:09 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The quality of the photography in much of the first season was pretty awful, very yellowish. A guy I know who worked on the show suggested there may have been some problems with volcanic dust (presumably from the Big Island).

As well, I noticed there were differences in the color when viewing source material of different resolutions. With one exception, I downloaded the shows from the Internet to watch them. Most were low-level AVI or MP4 files, others were 720p MKVs and others still were full-fledged 1080[something]. I haven't bought the Blu-Rays of the first season to compare to what I watched while the show was actually on.

I can't stand the ants-in-the-pants photography with multiple angles and constant editing, though the show doesn't approach the epitome of this technique in the film Armageddon, where the cuts last an average of about 1.5 seconds. Unfortunately, this technique seems to be pretty much the way things are with TV shows these days.

Added: Thursday 30 August 2012 09:25:53 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Tony in SF: I agree with you dead on. The new show looks horrible, and I don't understand how they messed it up. Look at the old show's presentation of Hawaii and the color, and then compare it to the new show which looks like hell.

L.B. You're echoing my complaints about the Wo Fat character completely. A couple of weeks back, I complained that Wo Fat was seemingly tied to every character or crime in the show. It's like the Kevin Bacon game where Kevin Bacon is tied to everybody in life, Wo Fat is tied to everybody on the new Five-O. It's called no creative inspiration or originality, and it's lazy writing.

Vrinda,

You're right as well. If you look at "3,000 Crooked Miles to Honolulu" the best scene to me is when Danno finds the murdered secretary, and then we see the flashback scene where Steve is finally putting the pieces of the scheme together, and when it reveals to the audience that all 150 members of the group are career criminals or connected to the mob, it's powerful as heck to watch Steve's anger grow as he realizes what they have done concluding with "they have to get off this island." It's called story development.

Added: Thursday 30 August 2012 08:43:43 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

Vrinda,

In addition to the elimination of the red herring suspects, I believe the main thing that would help in this regard is eliminating many of the side stories that began in cop shows many years ago with Hill Street Blues.

For example, eliminate items such as who is the father, Danny or Stan. Also get rid of continuing storylines such as the money Chin allegedly stole last season and what is in the toolbox. As I have mentioned before, these storylines will hurt the series in syndication because we will just want to fast forward past those scenes knowing how those turned out.

What makes the original entertaining to this day is that while we generally remember how the episode ends, we may have forgotten details of how the investigation unfolds. If there is back information given on one of the characters or a romantic figure from the past, it relates to the story somehow and is not there to chew up valuable screen time.

One thing that the current producers have mismanaged also in my view is the Wo Fat character. Not in the way it is played, as Mark Dacascos is excellent in the role. However, it seems that he is somehow involved in almost every case investigated by Five-O. He also has made several appearances in each of the first two seasons. Khigh Dheigh's Wo appeared on average about once a season, albeit many times in a two-hour episode. This made the encounters between he and McGarrett more memorable and something to look forward to, not the oh no, here he is again feeling in the current show. The producers seem to be overplaying their hand with the character.

Added: Wednesday 29 August 2012 20:40:43 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Good thesis, Vrinda. Even the shows that seem focused on Jack - e.g., "The Singapore File," "Nine Dragons," and "A Short Walk on the Longshore" - include the Five-0 team and the criminals in notable ways. Danno takes the lead while McGarrett's undercover; invariably the Five-0 team is instrumental in achieving a positive outcome. At the same time, we don't lose track of Victor and the other would-be assassins in "Singapore," Wo Fat or Anthony Waring in "Dragons," or the more elusive perpetrators of the cargo thefts in "Short Walk." For a show noted for employing the star system, the ensemble system is quite visible.

A few red herrings are presented to keep us guessing, but not too many. In "Singapore," Inspector Fong surprised us by proving capable of being bought. In "Dragons," Dina Merrill's thoroughly unpleasant character was a good suspect even before she allowed ego to intervene and ignored security precautions. In "Short Walk," the primary suspect until the very end was Jackson Croft, the governor's friend. One could argue that "Short Walk" didn't play fair with the audience when it presented a guilty party who had not been introduced earlier in the episode.

One or two red herrings further a story. More than that, confusion reigns. Trying to wade through Agatha Christie's "And Then There Were None" a/k/a "Ten Little Indians" is very stressful for the reason that there are too many red herrings. True, in police work, the rule is "everyone's suspect," but that book takes it to extremes. The reader wants to scream at Agatha to get to the point (at least, I did). In that case, five suspects (half as many as she included) would have been more than enough.

Added: Wednesday 29 August 2012 20:16:31 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

That's what made Hawaii Five-O so interesting. It was not the "who" they focused on, but the "why" and "how." That made for more possibilities in writing and character study. Moreover, that this was common feature on the show, it puts a lid on those all ignoramuses who kept harping that the show was all about Jack Lord. It also explains why there was little background information on the characters, no personal side stories,and little insight into their lives away from work. The crimes and the criminals and the detectives and their investigative work were the main focus.

How could a crime show, where - evident from the categorizaton "crime show" - crimes are committed, revolve around the main character who was investigating them? There had to be criminals, suspects, victims, and other police personnel - the coroner, forensic scientist, district attorney, HPD officers, etc - to help them solve this case. It wasn't Jack delivering a monologue every week. It's funny how these know-nothings on message boards constantly gripe about this when criticizing the show, when their statements prove they weren't even watching it at all.

Added: Wednesday 29 August 2012 17:50:37 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

That's true. Most of the stories on the original Five-0 were not whodunits. We knew who the perp was most of the time. But we loved to see how Five-0 would nab them. Similar to COLUMBO. Look at "No Bottles, No Cans, No People". We know from the start who the culprit is (Oporta) and how he disposes of his competition. The fun is seeing Five-0 figure this out and nail him. There was no need for red herrings.

Added: Wednesday 29 August 2012 13:12:53 MST


Submitted by: Tony
From: SF

The new five o. How on earth did they manage to ruin the natural lighting of the isalnd??? The show looks dark and muddy. There is no expanse either it looks closed in and claustrophobic.

Added: Wednesday 29 August 2012 12:59:52 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Mike, thanks for the link and the photos.

L.B.: "One thing to keep in mind when saying that the villains don't get as much face time in the new series is that they only have 43 minutes to tell the story, whereas the original series was around 51 minutes long per episode.”

Even with 43 minutes, they can still tell good story and give the bad guys more screen time. The key is not to resort to all those red-herring suspects. They fill the storylines with them to the point where every suspect ends up with a limited amount of screen time. This whodunit-with-red-herrings-type of story writing will only work for so long before it becomes predictable and useless, which it already has. There is nothing wrong with telling the story from the criminal’s point of view and establishing him, her, or them from the beginning rather than bringing in so many people and having the audience take guesses at the identity of the killer until it’s revealed. That way, an actor playing such a role can develop the character and establish them, allowing the audience to see his/her personality traits and giving the criminal dimension, which the bad guys in the original series was able to do. That made for as many memorable performances as the main cast as a result.

Added: Wednesday 29 August 2012 11:58:29 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Megan Ward is in Goodbye Paradise, that is true. But she didn't start her acting career until 1990.

I have put some screen shots from the movie here:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/elissa/Goodbye/

Added: Tuesday 28 August 2012 19:59:37 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

sorry for the delay mike, been busy

i was just curious

MeTV is in my time warner cable box but i do not have it sadly. would love to see CANNON before 5-0 at 11AM.

Added: Tuesday 28 August 2012 15:02:58 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Isn't Megan Ward from Dark Skies and General Hospital in it, too? She was raised in Hawaii Kai and her parents were extras on Five-O.

Added: Tuesday 28 August 2012 13:06:15 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

That sounds good, Mike. So good that I just bought a copy on Amazon for $3.27.

Added: Tuesday 28 August 2012 11:41:43 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I got a tape of Goodbye Paradise, an interesting show totally made in Hawaii in the early 1990s, about the closing of some fictional bar in Honolulu. There are tons of Five-O alumni in the show, aside from Joe Moore, who is the current manager of the bar, James Hong, who plays the foul-mouthed chef, and Elissa, who has a major role as the bartender and actually says "No shit" at one point. Dennis Chun plays an oily entrepreneurial type who owns the bar (his father, who owned it before him, is played in a voice-over by Kam Fong!). There are several Five-O alumni in roles include Varoa Tiki, Richard Vales, Danny Kamekona, Kwan Hi Lim, Keo Hughes, Rod Aiu, and Dick Kindelon, who was a casting director during Five-O's final years.

Added: Tuesday 28 August 2012 11:28:35 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"Although CA had to be one of the most banal shows of all-time, Kate Jackson could chew up a scene."

I was never a big fan of CHARLIE'S ANGELS (caught an episode here and there) but speaking of Kate Jackson I was a big fan of her 80s spy show SCARECROW AND MRS. KING. Kate played soccer mom Mrs. King and FIVE-0 alum Bruce Boxleitner played the spy "Scarecrow". It was a fun show with nice chemistry between the leads and some cool spy stories - usually dealing with the Cold War.

Added: Tuesday 28 August 2012 10:57:04 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

I'll bet Yun Kui's mother had a fit when she learned people were calling her son "Yankee".

Added: Tuesday 28 August 2012 08:00:02 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: ovah hea... waiting fo Nadja and Barb!

Waiter, with head full of Hawaii,
Do not ever forget France Nguyen (a. k.a. France Nuyen) and also Tommy Fujiwara. Equally (if not moreso) important than some of the aforementioned personages?
Yankee Chang islanders knew as Yun Kui Chang. He went to the same high school as I... yay.

Added: Tuesday 28 August 2012 02:14:56 MST


Submitted by: DeliWaiter
From: Hawaii-in-my-head

Speaking of Charlie's Angels, CLOO TV ran a marathon over the weekend and I was fortunate enough to watch "Angels in Paradise" featuring the great Frances Nunyen and Al Harrington, Yankee Chang and Tommy Fujiawa from Five-O.I was hoping Kono and Moe Keale would make an appearance but no dice. Norman Fell did have a hilarious scene at a Nude bathing retreat, though. Although CA had to be one of the most banal shows of all-time, Kate Jackson could chew up a scene. She would have made a better addition to the 5-O team than Lori. Looking forward to Season 3.

Added: Monday 27 August 2012 22:25:05 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

You're welcome, Aloysius!

I agree with you about the structure of police departments, how the original Steve's military-style was more suited to it, and about Ben.

I think Steve giving orders to his men was such a frequent scene in every episode, that people think it was the only time the men interacted with one another. They forgot episodes that centered around each of the other Five-O guys - Danny and Chin specifically.

I like the original Five-O's top-down organizational structure. That WWII-generation approach I am familiar with, having had teachers and who were from that generation early on in life, and having had teachers one generation below who were also taught by them.

The collaborative style works when everyone gets along, knows what they are doing, and there is still someone in charge to keep them in line. It doesn't work when one person doesn't get along with the person in charge, and not all them members interact with one another, which I notice on the new show.

The majority of episodes on the original focused on the cases anyway, not the main characters' personal lives or pasts. There were episodes where a case involved someone they knew or one of the detectives themselves, and some backstory was given, this was not in every show. That's what made those episodes so memorable, because they took on theme they did not use that often.

On the new show, it's mostly when the characters deal with their personal issues that I see them doing their own thinking. When they're solving crimes, the touchscreen computer takes care of the rest.

I'm also glad that Donnelly had a great time working on Hawaii Five-O, and had an experience free of any of that backstage politics and rumor-mongering so prevalent in that industry. He seemed to have a good time overall on every show, except for those script problems on The A-Team and the leading man on Hunter.

Added: Monday 27 August 2012 20:16:49 MST


Submitted by: Aloysius
From: Mainland

Thanks for the greetings!

I didn't agree with Donnelly's "characters who can think" comment either. That sort of mentality probably just reflects the shift in our culture from top-down organizations to collaborative organizations. There are pros and cons to both, I guess. McGarrett ran Five-O just as you would expect for a man with a military background. His was more of an old school, WWII-generation approach to things that we see much less of today. Since police forces are quasi-military, it seems a more practical, effective method to me.

I loved Ben and think he contributed to the team as a solid, intuitive investigator as well as being a likable guy. His best moment though may have been responding to Duke about the teddy bear in "Flash of Color, Flash of Death.”

It was nice to hear someone speak so positively about working on the show. It wasn't all politics and gossip. TV/film sets can be very tense but loads of fun as well.

Added: Monday 27 August 2012 19:20:46 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"I saw this brief interview with Dennis Donnelly (linked below)and thought it might be worth sharing. He was a director and AD on a few episodes of the original. He says his favorite show to work on was Charlie's Angels. Go figure."

Why his favorite was CHARLIE'S ANGELS? Easy! Six reasons! Just take your pic: Kate, Farrah, Jaclyn, Cheryl, Shelley, Tanya. Granted Shelley Hack was a bit too icy for my tastes but the others were all gorgeous and likable.

Also nice to see that Dennis enjoyed working on FIVE-0. My favorite episode of his was "A Distant Thunder" from season 11 with James Olson playing Stoner the neo-Nazi. Or was it neo-nutsy? :D

Also I know he directed a good number of THE A-TEAM episodes (I own season 2 on DVD) so I'm surprised he didn't enjoy that experience. But who knows? It was an action-heavy show so maybe that took a toll on him. Also George Peppard was not easy to work with. By many accounts, George introduced himself to the rest of the crew on the first day of shooting as "I am not a nice man". :D Though it seems that Dennis's main problem was with the scripts being late. Still, he kept coming back to direct time and time again. So something held him there.

Also I did notice that HUNTER's Fred Dryer did have a certain cockiness to him (being an ex-NFL star and all) as a guest on certain talk shows so I'm not surprised that he might be difficult to work with.

Added: Monday 27 August 2012 10:00:51 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Type-O: I meant that I knew Jack London wasn't English.

H50: Thank you for comments on Ben. "Death is a Company Policy" did a great job of introducing Ben, not only in terms of his background, but in terms of his personality.

RW:

Thank you! Experiences like the one you had give more people a reason to dislike jury duty. Being over 18 doesn't mean a person is fit to serve on one, and this girl was in college? I've met middle school and high school students with more decency.

Added: Monday 27 August 2012 09:45:29 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Type-o, I meant to say that I knew Jack London wasn't English.

RW:

They have not excused college students from jury duty for years, so where this girl got her information from is anyone's guess. I hope she didn't louse up the verdict.

H50 1.0

Added: Monday 27 August 2012 09:19:27 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

"Well said, Vrinda, except... Jack London was an American author, not an English one. So, I guess we may assume the teacher you mentioned did not teach American literature."

Thanks, Virginia. I know he was English, but I meant English-language literature. I should have clarified that. My major in college was English Literature, but that was referring to the language in which the texts were printed. They referred to literature from the UK as British literature, and we even read works from Italian, French, and Spanish writers - translated into English of course. Because they were all read and studied in English, it was used as an umbrella term, hence my usage of the word.

To Mike: Watch Ben's Season 5 episodes more closely, especially "Pig in a Blanket," "Family Crook," "Death is a Company Policy," "You Don't Have to Kill to Get Rich, But it Helps," and "Journey out of Limbo," to name a few. In each of these, he offers his opinions on cases, gives guidance to Danny, and make others comments which shows he is thinking and observing. This is as far as I've gotten on the DVDs so I don't know about Seasons 6 and 7.

Added: Monday 27 August 2012 09:09:57 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

I disagree, Mike. I think Ben had a delightful personality. He did not express it in so many words, but his facial expressions reflected a magnetic personality. For example, in his first episode, "Death is a Company Policy," Ben revealed a great deal about his personality while talking with Angie as she was fleeing her Hotel Street dive and as he chatted in Hawaiian with Chris and provided a translation for Danno. Ben was extremely likeable; I was sorry to see him leave Five-0 when Al Harrington left the show.

Added: Monday 27 August 2012 06:51:07 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Vrinda: The characters on the original show also had minds of their own...

Oh really? I don't recall Ben ever having much of a "mind" or personality on the old show, especially in comparison to the other supporting characters.

Added: Sunday 26 August 2012 23:01:05 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Well said, Vrinda, except... Jack London was an American author, not an English one. So, I guess we may assume the teacher you mentioned did not teach American literature.

Added: Sunday 26 August 2012 22:45:26 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

I agree with you Vrinda. People today think that having an opinion is all important even if the opinion is worthless, because it is uninformed, and not backed up by factual evidence to support that opinion. I'm not going to paint with a broad brush that the past was perfect, because it wasn't, but in the old days people didn't just pop off with an opinion just because they had an opinion. If it was informed, educated, backed up by facts, the opinion was valued, today the "youngsters" think that all that matters is you have an opinion, no matter how ignorant, uneducated, uninformed, and just plain stupid it is. It reminds me of this one time I had jury duty and I was the foreman, and this 19 year old college student told the court officer that she shouldn't have to sit in on the jury because she was a "college student", and she was exempt. The court officer busted a gut telling her no one cared that she was a college student. She was a pain in the neck on my jury during our whole deliberations and she had a asinine stupid opinion on everything which of course she was clueless about on everything. That's society today though. Instead of thinking before you speak and making sure you are factually correct, it's enough today to just have an "opinion" no matter how wrong it may be. As Clint Eastwood once said though "opinions are like --------, everyone has one." Doesn't mean it's important. That goes for me too, doesn't mean my opinion is important either.

Added: Sunday 26 August 2012 20:23:50 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Hi, Aloysius,

Thanks for writing and for that link. My brother loved Charlie's Angels,. That show kept him glued to the TV, along with The Bionic Woman. ;)

I don't agree with this line from Donnelly, though: "The changes in the characters are really interesting and the nice thing is that in this series they have more than one character who can think," he said, with a laugh. "That was very different compared to the role Jack Lord had in the original series."

On the new show, it looks like only one character is thinking, and that's Chin. When Danno thinks, it's to antagonize Steve, and Steve only thinks of being a an action hero and vigilante.

The characters on the original show also had minds of their own, and implying they didn't just because they followed Steve's orders is idiotic. Steve was in charge of the unit, so part of his job was to give orders, and it was part of the others' jobs to obey him, but that was not the bulk of their relationship. Danno, Chin, Kono, Ben, and Duke also did things without Steve telling them. When they had theories, they shared them and Steve encouraged them.

In the type of storylines on a show like Five-O, where everything centers on the cases being investigated, what is important to discuss is what pertains to that investigation, not the character's personal gripes with one another. Giving an opinion for the sake of dissenting and showing that you have a mind of your own, and not for any constructive purpose or whatever is beneficial to getting the situation, is meaningless and only makes that character look like arrogant, bossy, and trouble-making.

I've come across a lot of people on message boards who constantly lauded the characters on the new Five-O this way. "Danno, Chin, and Kono have opinions this time." "Let's hope that Danno has opinions of his own this time." "The new show is all about one character like the old show was all about Jack Lord." "All the characters play an equal role and this isn't Jack London's [sic] police empire." These were all actual quotes I read from people on the IMDb and other message boards, and yes, that last poster did refer to Jack Lord as Jack London. According to her IMDb profile page, she is a teacher. Apparently, she doesn't teach English Literature.

This praise for the characters doing their own thinking is meaningless what that thinking only causes for trouble, like it did in one episode where Chin tailed someone to their boat, only to be knocked out in the process and wake up with a bomb around his neck, or in his taking the rap for his uncle. The only times I saw Kono giving her own input is when she lectured Chin about taking the blame for his uncle and when she gave that speech in defense of environmentalists.

Added: Sunday 26 August 2012 19:46:20 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Thanks guys. I'm not sure why I thought he was in another one. Maybe it was because it was so great to see him and Jack go face to face as two old acting pros, that I was hoping there was one more. The ending is classic in that one, but the episode stands out because it is so well acted by all.

Added: Sunday 26 August 2012 19:12:02 MST


Submitted by: Aloysius
From: Mainland

I discovered this board about a month ago and have really enjoyed reading everyone's comments. Since the reboot premiered, I've purchased all twelve seasons of the original, which I grew up watching, and am having a great time watching the show all over again, season by season. I'm currently making my way through Season 8.
I saw this brief interview with Dennis Donnelly (linked below)and thought it might be worth sharing. He was a director and AD on a few episodes of the original. He says his favorite show to work on was Charlie's Angels. Go figure.
bit.ly/Tg6zbs

Added: Sunday 26 August 2012 19:00:13 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Hi, Rainbow,

Buddy Ebsen was only in one episode, "3,000 Crooked Miles to Honolulu." The episode to which you are referring, with Danno sitting in the helicopter, was "Here Today, Gone Tonight," which aired in the fifth season. It guest-starred Monte Markham, Sandra Smith, and Madlyn Rhue. Buddy Ebsen was not in that one.

Added: Sunday 26 August 2012 15:10:04 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

Rainbow,

Buddy Ebsen only appeared in "3,000 Crooked Miles To Honolulu" on Hawaii Five-O. He began the Barnaby Jones series only a couple of years after this in 1973, and it ran through the rest of Five-O's original run (also ending in 1980).

Added: Sunday 26 August 2012 14:37:46 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Vrinda, Ringfire, or Big H,

I just watched "3,000 Crooked Miles to Honolulu" last week, and my question is didn't Buddy Ebsen appear in another Five-O episode after this one? I seem to remember one with an ending that was a brain and time teaser where Danno has to fly back to one of the other islands at the end on a helicopter, and they nab him, or am I off base?

Added: Sunday 26 August 2012 11:45:49 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Why are you asking about The Execution File, Hiram, are they going to be showing this episode soon? (Does MeTV show ALL of the episodes?)

The answer to your question is "I don't know," by the way, since I don't watch Five-O on MeTV.

I actually created my own version of this episode, combining the old audio, where it was replaced, with the new improved picture. This was VERY time-consuming and complicated. Unfortunately, I was not able to remove Kam Fong from the opening credits in the DVD version.

Added: Sunday 26 August 2012 10:25:17 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

"Let us not forget Sam "Jerry Bay-Bee" Melville from season 1 of the original show."

I almost forgot about him, too. I just saw "Tiger By the Tail" today, and he was one cold cookie.

Added: Satuirday 25 August 2012 15:00:32 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

mike, about MeTV showing 5-0. THE EXECUTION FILE: do u know if the episode is shown with the rod stewart tune or does it have the "getting jiggy with it"-like fake score heard on dvd?

Added: Satuirday 25 August 2012 14:31:28 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

Re-watched "Elegy.." and I stand corrected by Mr. Mike. It is not Cash's version playing in the ep, and even though it sounds more like Robbins, it doesn't quite sound exactly like him, so I have to agree w/ Mr. Mike and say it is prob a stand-in artist so CBS could avoid paying royalties.

A few more things about that ep....Lucien in real life never be transported in that mannner (inside the prison van). It was almost laughable that we would believe that a rapist/killer would be that "unshackled."

There is a mystery song playing as Lucien comes upon the bunker/shack...I can't place the song being sung by a female stand-in. Anyone have a clue?

And lastly, even though this is indeed a great ep, the most entertaining thing for me is McG's banana hat!! REALLY?!?!?!? :D

Added: Satuirday 25 August 2012 09:09:33 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Iron

Johnny Cash might have sung it, but Marty Robbins was the guy who introduced it.

Added: Friday 24 August 2012 15:55:59 MST


Submitted by: big iron, uh, H
From: nc

Ringfire: You want to scroll down this list a ways?

Tell me what you see?

bit.ly/QAdkCF

Added: Friday 24 August 2012 15:29:06 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Let us not forget Sam "Jerry Bay-Bee" Melville from season 1 of the original show.

But yeah -- Big Chicken, Jerry Parks, Victor Reese, Joe Matsukino, Harry Cardonus - those 5 have *got* to be the cream of the crop from my favorite season - the inaugural season!

Added: Friday 24 August 2012 14:15:07 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

H50 1.0 FOREVER:

The list goes on and on. I’m certain Adam Noshimuri is no angel. I just wonder how the writers will reveal it. I bet they’ll disappoint the viewers once more.

L.B.:

I forgot about Victor Hesse, but would include him in that list, too. I also think he should have been a separate villain from Wo Fat, or at least if he had to work with him, make him one of those few people whom Wo Fat keeps around. Maybe they didn’t want one more actor to overshadow Alex.

August March, in his original appearance, was nothing distinctive, in terms of his personality. His slimy demeanor was in line with his criminal background. The second outing enhanced the original performance. In the new show, August went back to his old ways and took it one step further by killing someone, which he didn’t do before. He also maintained that kindly old gentleman façade until he showed his true colors at the end. On its own, that first appearance would have been only memorable because it was Ed Asner and Steve McGarrett got framed again, but this time in a different way.

When you think of how many great villains there were in the first two season of the original Five-O alone, and have to wrack our brains trying to remember how many there were on the new show, that says a lot about the lack of good writing on the latter. On the original, we had Wo Fat (Khiegh Deigh), Victor Reese (Kevin McCarthy), Leonard Tokura (Ricardo Montalban), Big Chicken (Gavin MacLeod), Joseph Trinian (John Larch), Joe Matsukino (James Shigenta), Harry Cardonus( Nehemiah Persoff), David Stone (Ed Flanders), Carl Swanson (Gerald S. O’Loughlin) – and that is just the first season alone.

There are plenty more, but you can count the memorable villains from Season 1 of the new show on one hand.

Added: Friday 24 August 2012 12:30:23 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

News of the upcoming September 18th release of season two on DVD and Blu-Ray: http://bit.ly/OyKyF3

Added: Friday 24 August 2012 11:34:21 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

"he jokingly tells Chin Ho to sit down and shut up"
watched this ep dozens of times and each time this moment seems less dead serious than the previous viewing and Chin's reaction conveys it.

Added: Friday 24 August 2012 11:00:39 MST


Submitted by: Mitch
From: New Jersey

Re: "Classic" Five-0...I was watching "Cocoon" as it comes with the Fist Season DVD package and it seems to me McGarrett isn't quite the same character he turns out to be for the series. Sure he's got his no-nonsense side, but he seems jaunty and informal at times, too. Aside from his liaisons with Nancy Kwan, he does things like slap the front of the tour bus to say hello to the driver in the beginning; he eats sloppily; he jokingly tells Chin Ho to sit down and shut up; when someone tells him something on the phone he likes, he gives a fist pump.

I wonder if the change in McGarrett was intentional or if things just worked out that way.

Added: Friday 24 August 2012 06:57:49 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Lucien was BA-A-A-D!!! No doubt about that. His twisted mind was so broken that he switched back and forth between helpless tears and dark suspicion.

But Wo Fat was pretty far gone, too. Oh, sure, he reasoned his actions as justified by a need to support Red Chinese socio-political ideology. But it didn't stop there for him. He was disappointed when General Hong Su told him he was being too violent in "The Ninety-Second War". He laughed with great mirth as he watched McGarrett suffer under the effect of hallucinogenic drugs in "Nine Dragons". He saw nothing wrong with kidnapping a little girl in order to persuade her surgeon father to allow a patient to die needlessly in "...And a Time to Die" (even though he died, anyway). Perhaps, he was at his worst in "The Jenn Who Clears the Way" when he killed a father and son in order to put the younger son at the head of his family in order to have him secret a stolen device in the father's casket for shipment to Asia. Old Wo was without heart or soul, but, then, as Peter Winkler (among other names) said in "Will the Real Mr. Winkler Please Die?", spies are sick people.

Added: Friday 24 August 2012 04:25:29 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

Re: bad buys on the new show. I liked the Victor Hesse character played by James Marsters in addition to Mark Dacascos' Wo Fat character. I wish that these two characters had not been connected so that Marsters could continue to play his role periodically. To me, the August March character was nothing special on the original Five-O, but perhaps a little more wily and interesting on this version.

There were too many great villains on the original series to mention, although as I noted previously, William Watson as Lucien was the most evil in my view. One thing to keep in mind when saying that the villains don't get as much face time in the new series is that they only have 43 minutes to tell the story, whereas the original series was around 51 minutes long per episode.

Added: Thursday 23 August 2012 19:50:30 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Re: "...notice how they always try to defend the lowlife and say they are not the bad person everyone thinks they are."

This is nothing new. They built up JR Ewing the same way. Good ole boy, misunderstood by all... He was a rat, and that's all there was to it. The same with this guy. You'll see.

Added: Thursday 23 August 2012 19:45:05 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

I was thinking of counting August March in that lot, but he is not an original villain, just the same one that was on the original series. He was not a new character created just for this show.

Wo Fat is not an original bad guy, either, but since he is played by a different and younger actor, they have to give him a different personality trait and make him more action-packed to keep in line with the show's emphasis on action and violence over character and story.

About taking up with lowlifes:

The theme of the good guy/girl falling for a bad girl/boy might be done to show that the good guy/girl has their weaknesses and isn't perfect, but notice how they always try to defend the lowlife and say they are not the bad person everyone thinks they are. In Alia's case, she was wrong. With Danno, Melissa did bad things, but her reasons were based on vengeance for her daughter, and Steve showed pity in her in the end. In the meantime, though, Danno didn't want to believe that she was a criminal, either. With Kono and Adam, Kono was so far right about Adam not being involved - if memory serves me right. However, time will tell.

Added: Thursday 23 August 2012 14:42:05 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Kono consorting with Adam Noshimuri in the latest Five-O season was surprising. But this kind of intermingling with low-lifes has some precedent:

1) In the 11th season show A Long Time Ago, Danno hangs out with his old girl friend Melissa Cole, who was busted for shoplifting. The two of them must "do it" because she says "Damn it, Danny, you're like all the rest -- one night and you think you own me." Melissa has a rap sheet on the mainland and used to be the girl friend of the psychotic bank robber and murderer Crawford. She came to Hawaii to track down and kill Crawford because he was responsible for the death of her baby daughter.

2) In the fifth season show Engaged to be Buried, Chin Ho's daughter Alia is involved with Rono Vidalgo (Erik Estrada), a punk whose father Shako is boss of a local vending machine racket. Bad judgment on Alia's part!

Added: Thursday 23 August 2012 13:54:13 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

The only good villain on the new show was Ed Asner - basically reprising his August March character. So nothing new here.

Added: Thursday 23 August 2012 13:23:28 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Thoughts about the new show:

Apart from Mark Dacascos's Wo Fat, are there any memorable bad guys? I'm having a tough time with coming up with any, apart from the serial bomber Travis Roan, played by Theo Coumbis in a Season 1 episode, and Keith David's gangster character Jimmy Cannon, also from Season 1.

The bad guys on this show get so little screen time, it's hard for them to establish themselves and make a memorable mark, like the villains in the old show did.

Added: Thursday 23 August 2012 13:08:28 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Emme's Island Moments is rebroadcasting the "Hawaii Five-O Revisited" show on Saturday, September 8 from 7:00-8:00 p.m. on KGMB in Honolulu.

I got a dub of this show a while ago, by the way...

Added: Thursday 23 August 2012 10:55:22 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Whenever someone asks about the themes, I put my hands on my ears and go "LALALALALALA," like I don't want to listen. Trying to use the themes on the DVDs is of no use because (I think) in several cases, they reused the previous season's remastered main titles rather than using the one which was actually used during the original run of the show. I have all of the original shows on VHS tape, but I'm sure a lot of the theme music is off pitch because they are sped up. As well, the end titles are problematic because in many cases, especially with KVOS-TV, where I taped most of the shows, there would be some announcement about another show coming up over the vast majority of the end titles.

Added: Thursday 23 August 2012 10:52:45 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

I can't tell the difference between the themes, either. I do notice it sounds stronger in the middle seasons - 5-8, though.

Elegy in the Rain Forest was a great episode. Though it was DA Manicote's final appearance on the series, it did give him a different dimension and gave us more background on him. We don't see him as a DA, but as a parent. His desperation to save Beth overrode his common sense, though. He was supposed to stay with Danno, then separates from him, and instead of finding Lucien and shooting him so he can save Beth, Danno's got to find Manicote before Lucien shoots him, and Lucien does.

If David, the boy Beth meets who is living in the jungle, didn't get out of those handcuffs in time, there would have been several dead bodies on that hill.

Lucien was rotten to the core, and even when he put on that crying act in front of Steve, it didn't wash. I knew he was going to lash out I don't think Steve bought it, either.

The chase scene with Duke and Chin was also thrilling. I thought Womano was going to get away, but they were too smart for him.

Added: Wednesday 22 August 2012 21:05:51 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Hey, L.B. I often wondered if your moniker isn't taken after that other character that William Watson played on the show - L.B. Barker!

"One question for everyone. Which season had the best theme song, realizing that the tune was slightly different each season? My vote on that would have been for season nine."

To be honest I never could tell much difference in the theme between the seasons. The theme always sounded the same to me. So I guess I can't help you there.

Added: Wednesday 22 August 2012 19:56:50 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Re: the best arrangement of the theme song - - Season 2. The tympani at the beginning are awesome, but the entire recording is overwhelming. It, alone, draws one in, even before the episode begins.

Added: Wednesday 22 August 2012 19:52:55 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

Tony,

"Elegy In A Rain Forest" is my favorite Five-O episode.

While there were many things to like about the episode, what set it apart was the performance of William Watson as Lucien. In my opinion, Lucien was the all-time nastiest villain on the series. He was totally psycho and ruthless. I also liked the parts where Chin and Duke try to corral Womano, Lucien's associate. It was a fast paced episode that presented a real sense of danger.

As for the discussion of the best seasons, seasons 1-6 were probably the best, with a slight reduction in quality during seasons 7-9. Beginning with season 10, there is a noticeable drop in the show's quality, which decreases further with season 11, and then more in season 12. Still, I agree with Elaine that seasons 10-12 were not poor in quality, they were just not up to the standard that the show set in earlier seasons.

One question for everyone. Which season had the best theme song, realizing that the tune was slightly different each season? My vote on that would have been for season nine.

Added: Wednesday 22 August 2012 19:18:35 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

I own that CD and really enjoy it. As it goes with soundtracks - i.e., Stevens' H50 LP - some of the segments are very brief, playing only as long as the scene in the movie/episode required them to be. I wish they were complete songs, but, of course, the complete songs were never written.

Added: Wednesday 22 August 2012 17:40:33 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Morton Stevens' scores for The Great White and Act of Piracy are on special:

http://www.screenarchives.com/title_detail.cfm/ID/1557/ACT-OF-PIRACY-THE-GREAT-WHITE/

Added: Wednesday 22 August 2012 15:24:30 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

It may be a Marty Robbins song, but it's not him singing on the soundtrack. As per my anal-ysis of this episode:

It sounds like "Big Iron" sung by Marty Robbins (not Johnny Cash, as is reported elsewhere) is heard playing on a radio as McGarrett and Danno find the hippie pad where Lucien slaughtered the two inhabitants. But Kenny Harrelson e-mails to say this is not Robbins, but "is in fact a 'recreation.' It mimics Robbins' version perfectly, but it's not actually him singing. CBS was well known for featuring recognizable songs in episodes, only played by no-name artists to sound like the original, familiar versions. They also did this same thing a lot in Magnum, P.I."

Added: Wednesday 22 August 2012 15:22:18 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Johnny Cash never sang "Big Iron". That's a Marty Robbins song. Don't know why folks keep saying it's Johnny Cash.

Added: Wednesday 22 August 2012 13:23:06 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

"Season 9. Does anyone love Elegy in a Rain forest as much as I do?"

Tony...did you notice the Johnny Cash song "Big Iron" playing on the radio in the background as McG came into the shack? I firmly believe that was no coincidink (coincidence for those that don't live in NC)--the choice of song, that is... :)

Added: Wednesday 22 August 2012 12:52:15 MST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Halawa Correctional Facility, Prison Yard

Rainbow Warrior say: "Wednesday, Ladies Free" …reminded me alot of "Most Likely to Murder" …. Things were changed, but if you watch the two shows back to back, (which I didn't I just remember it,) it's the same plot including the ending. Now for the ending, it reminded me almost completely… of Season Two's "Leopard on the Rock"

Interesting insights, Warrior. Never considered the connections, even afta watchin them eps countless times. Thought the Danno-centric "Most Likely” rely on amping up the personal drama between Danny, Steve-O and HPDer/Danno pal Lou Morgan. While "Ladies Free” got the serial killer, po-leece procedural angle workin. So while the 2 shows may share plot points, I think the strengths and memorable aspects of each differ greatly. But, man, you might be spot on with the "ladies free” endin echoin "Leopard.”

I love the all-niter the team pull in "Ladies Free," scopin out maps and runnin down facts to break the case. Another great showcase a the Five-O process.

And whiles Danno go easy on his pal Lou in "Most Likely,” Steve-O tell his boy Monte Markum "If you want to bleed, Jerry, do it in private. I don’t want to watch it.” Heavy straight-up talk from McGarrett, wit Steve pullin no punches. Great, GREAT scene. One a Chick’s faves.

Less I foget, Chicken send a shout out to Big H, Elaine, RingFire and you, Rainbow Warrior, for alls the warm welcome backs. Thanx, friends

And RingFire, Chick would dig hangin wit Jerry Parks by the sugar cane shack out in Waipahu. But that Bobby George cat....man, all his life he had it soooo easy, why couldn’t he make it easy fo somebody else?

Added: Tuesday 21 August 2012 15:03:42 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

Scott McKenzie famous for the 60s classic "san francisco" died saturday and was reported monday

so many celebs gone

Added: Tuesday 21 August 2012 14:31:42 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

What's with all these deaths?? We have our trio now all within a day or two - William Windom, Tony Scott, and Phyllis Diller. Tony's suicide plunge off the bridge is just plain bizarre!! :!surprised:

As for Windom he was a great character actor. You name any show from the 60s, 70s, and 80s and he was probably in it. Both his FIVE-0 episodes are standouts for me - "Which Way Did They Go?" is an excellent caper/heist episode and "Bomb, Bomb, Who's Got the Bomb" is a very underrated episode (it's one of my favorites from season 7).

Added: Tuesday 21 August 2012 14:17:48 MST


Submitted by: Elaine
From: Watertown, MA

Hi, All! I've been busy and my ancient computer has had a bad case of the (I've fallen and I can't get ups!) lately, so I haven't been keeping up with the postings.

I am half way through Season 11 again. This is my third time through all the DVD's. I must agree that seasons 1-4, are, in my opinion, the best, but seasons 5-9 are not far behind. Now season 10 I found, the third time around, not to be as bad as I originally thought. There are a few good eps....actually, the majority aren't at all bad unless you compare them to seasons 1-9! That's the thing. Seasons 1-9 were so very good that seasons 10 and 11 pale in comparison; but the truth is that compared to many of the shows airing on the tube these days, they are still quite good. The scripts were definitely weaker and the actors were a little tired, but after so many seasons, that isn't surprising. I like the Case Against Phil Christie...McGarrett as a juror in a criminal murder case. McGarrett, wanting to due his civic duty, has a few words with the Gov and ends up on a jury. The cop in him isn't satisfied with the circumstantial case built against Christie and he needs to know how the murder was actually committed. This story is a take off of Twelve Angry Men where Henry Fonda played the lone holdout of a jury ready and willing to convict an innocent man on circumstantial evidence. Of course, in real life, McGarrett would probably never have been allowed on a jury because of his law enforcement background - a definite conflict of interest since HPD built the case against Christie. I found the prosecuting attorney a little overbearing and his character was easy to dislike....

I also enjoyed watching Distant Thunder again where James Olsen played a Neo-Nazi commandant. Danno was featured prominently in this episode. There is a scene where McGarrett confronts Olsen during a political rally and wipes the insipid smile off the Nazi's face.....and then at the end, when it's clear that the Nazi commandant doesn't have the balls to carry out the threats himself and surrenders to Five-O, there's Olsen's last words, that God will praise him for his actions....just to show that twisted ideals can be as deadly as a weapon....

So not all is rotten in the kingdom of season 10.

Big Chick, glad to have you back! Cuz, the law iz cool, brudda and we've missed ya!

Added: Tuesday 21 August 2012 13:43:29 MST


Submitted by: Tony
From: SF

Season 9. Does anyone love Elegy in a Rain forest as much as I do? This could have been a theatrical film with a couple of minor changes and a few details fleshed out.

I love the rain forest setting and the cinematography is awesome.

The story is simple and to the point which is part of the strength of this episode.

Added: Tuesday 21 August 2012 12:36:17 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

So sad about William Windom. He was a large part of "Murder, She Wrote," and his guest appearances on Five-O were always a pleasure to watch. RIP, Mr. Windom.

Added: Tuesday 21 August 2012 08:43:35 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

Thanks, Kimo. Was looking forward to seeing everyone again. There's still a SLIM possibility that I might get there but working schedules for myself and 2 daughters has become a challenge. Will keep you posted. And yes, the toast would be lovely. Thanks.

Added: Tuesday 21 August 2012 06:10:50 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

I remember "My World and Welcome To It." It was zany, but I remember being disappointed when it was canceled.

Rest in peace, Mr. Windom.

Added: Monday 20 August 2012 19:20:17 MST


Submitted by: Dan A
From: South Brunswick, NJ

wctor-william-windom-dead-88-203842834.html

William Windom dead at 88

LOS ANGELES (AP) — William Windom, who won an Emmy Award for his turn in the 1969 TV comedy series "My World And Welcome To It" and went on to score guest appearances on several popular shows, has died.
Windom died Thursday of congestive heart failure at his home in Woodacre, north of San Francisco, his wife Patricia told the Los Angeles Times. He was 88.
Windom won acclaim in the short-lived NBC series for his role as John Monroe, a writer-cartoonist for a New York magazine who relied on his fantasy life to escape a middle-class Connecticut life.
The series was based on the work of the humorist James Thurber and Windom went on to develop a one-man touring act inspired by the same whimsical Americana.
Born in New York City on Sept. 28, 1923, Windom was named after his great-grandfather, a Minnesota congressman and former U.S. Treasury secretary. He attended Williams College in Massachusetts before joining the Army as a paratrooper in World War II. He later attended the University of Kentucky, among several other higher-education institutions, and decided to pursue acting.
The easy-going Windom was an in-demand television character actor for decades and scored guest appearances on several American TV staples, including episodes of "Twilight Zone" and "Star Trek" and appeared on more than 50 segments of "Murder, She Wrote" beginning in the mid-1980s. There, Windom played a Maine country doctor opposite series star Angela Lansbury's Jessica Fletcher.
He also played the part of the prosecuting attorney who parries in court with Gregory Peck's Atticus Finch in the 1962 movie "To Kill a Mockingbird."
Married five times, Windom is survived by his wife of 37 years and four children, Rachel, Heather, Hope and Rebel.

Added: Monday 20 August 2012 16:31:48 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

how about Chuck Norris?

Walker vs Danno in a staredown!

Danno passes out--Chucky!

Added: Monday 20 August 2012 15:35:25 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Hawai'i the 50th

Would have been good to see you again, Barb! Nadja and I will miss ya. We are going to have drinks with some H50 alumni and will toast you!

Added: Monday 20 August 2012 13:31:03 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

" Next thing, Danno's new love interest will Kardashian herself. :!mad:"

SSSHHH!!! Don't give the producers any ideas! ;)

On second thought, let them do it. Then people will stop watching, and this monstrosity will get canceled.

Added: Monday 20 August 2012 12:01:13 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

For those who are interested, CBS just announced that there WILL be a Sunset on the Beach (SOTB) for Season 3 premiere on Sunday, September 23 (just a day before the national season premiere).

I was actually supposed to go to Hawaii in September but had to change my plans due to schedule change (bummer).

Added: Monday 20 August 2012 10:30:33 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: The other side of insanity....

OMG...this current 5-0 has officially jumped the shark. The show has deteriorated into a training ground for acting wannabees. Next thing, Danno's new love interest will Kardashian herself. :!mad:

Added: Monday 20 August 2012 09:25:33 MST


Submitted by: Otto
From: Mainland

Some great screen captures on this French forum. "Hawaii: police d'etat". (look in the pages in the twenties) http://bit.ly/PKr5E9

Added: Sunday 19 August 2012 19:54:35 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Virginia, thanks for that link. :!cool:

Hiram, I'm not sure I should thank you for that link, but as long as it isn't Kim Kardashian, it might not be that bad. :!thinking:

However, I don't keep up with the Kardashians, despite having heard and seen snippets of their antics over the years, so I have no idea if Kendall is as brainless and untalented as her sister or not. Maybe she'll get a 30-second scene like all the other guest stars and disappear into the Hawaiian sunset. (Cue the Elvis song!)

Added: Satuirday 18 August 2012 21:12:03 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/kendall-jenner-acting-debut-hawaii-five-0-160612902.html

uh oh

Added: Satuirday 18 August 2012 15:04:00 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

If you google "Turtle Bay Resort" (what the Kuilima now is called), then go to images and look for a full-width view, you will see that there could, indeed, be 75 rooms on each floor. All you need is 16 or 17 rooms on each side on each side of the elevators. Take and look and see what you think.

Added: Satuirday 18 August 2012 12:58:04 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

kurtlyone,

I don't remember seeing the numbers on the other rooms in that hallway, but maybe the hotel rooms were not numbered in consecutive order, but in intervals of five (600, 605, 610), or in odd numbers (621, 623, 625), so that might explain how they got up to room #675 when hotels don't have 75 rooms on a floor, and could still keep the number under fifty. Going from 601 - 675 using only the odd numbers for each room would amount to 38 rooms on the entire floor.

Added: Satuirday 18 August 2012 11:55:54 MST


Submitted by: kurtlyone
From: St. Petersburg, FL

Has anyone noticed in episode 135. "The Flip Side is Death" that the hotel clerk hands Ben a note with Pahia's deliveries and both the baby bottle and the chicken sandwich appear to be going to Room 625? The second number might be 675 but the recording I have makes it look a lot more like 2 than a 7. At any rate, few hotels have 75 rooms on a floor and Pahia doesn't seem to pass 50 rooms on the way to Green's room.

Added: Satuirday 18 August 2012 08:22:39 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Big H-

One last thing. My favorite scene in "Wednesday, Ladies Free" was the one in which McG and Danno ride through the car wash and Mcg shows Danno how the strangler gets the addresses of his victims through the key chains and than gets the keys to their residences and makes a copy of them from a mold that he carries with him, which solves the mystery of how he gets into their homes. Again a simple scene but brilliantly told and one of those small gems that made the old Five-O so enjoyable. I wish the new show would take note instead of the loud in your face scenes which so often dominate it with it's ear splitting music soundtrack, but hey it's 2012 and that's hip, in and what the youngsters like!

Added: Friday 17 August 2012 10:00:38 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow warrior
From: New York, NY

Big H-

Yes, I always go in order when I watch the Five-O season DVD's, because the shows slowly build on each other, and when you watch in order everything makes sense and the show is more powerful to me. For example in "Beautiful Screamer" when McGarrett tries to comfort Danno over the loss of his lady love Anne Archer by saying "Danno I remember when you tried to comfort me when my sister's baby died." You instantly flash back to the season one show when McGarrett went up against the quack doctor in LA and beat her, and everything just clicks. That's why I watch in order, every little detail fits and resonates that way.

The ending is the one thing I remember from "3,000 Crooked Miles..." which is right I will watch next. I saw it once in re-runs back in the 1980's and never forgot the ending, but I am looking forward to watching the whole show again, because I forgot the rest of it. In the 1980's and very early 1990's through 1993, I saw many of the shows in syndication, but didn't see them again until I started buying the DVD's, so for me it's like watching the show for the first time all over again.

Added: Friday 17 August 2012 07:30:07 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: NC, y'all....

Warrior.....if you're going in order, you'll be watching "3000 Crooked Miles" next...one of my season 4 favs. And even though Mr. Mike doesn't mention it in his anal-ysis, the redoubtable David Canary makes an appearance in this one as the Professor's henchman. Great ep with a classic McG ending. Cant' wait to see what you think of Ringfire's fav--"Rest in Peace, Somebody". This season is too full of great eps to even mention here...

A solid performance by Monte Markham in "Wednesday, Ladies Free....whose face bears an eerie resemblance to JL's front cover pic on Season 8.....hmmmm. :!thinking:

Added: Thursday 16 August 2012 14:43:06 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Yes, "Wednesday, Ladies Free" would be my 3rd favorite episode of the 4th season. Fantastic episode!! I love the no-deals attitude of McGarrett. Show no mercy. No sympathy for a murderer.

Also this is one of the first more prominent roles for the great Kwan Hi Lim - playing the cabbie. From here on out he will really get to flex his acting chops and get to play some really oily characters.

P.S. I caught a 2nd season episode of MAGNUM, P.I. a few weeks ago called "Try to Remember" - where Magnum suffers amnesia after crashing his Ferrari at the bottom of a cliff - and Kwan Hi Lim made his debut in that episode playing the recurring role of Lt. Tanaka - Magnum's police contact and fellow Detroit Tigers fan. He was fantastic in that role. His character was described as a Hawaiian Lt. Columbo - puttering around making innocuous small talk while catching clues along the way. Love Kwan Hi Lim!

Added: Thursday 16 August 2012 11:57:18 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Big H-

Let's talk season four for a bit. I watched "Wednesday, Ladies Free" yesterday, first the criticism. It reminded me alot of "Most Likely to Murder" the Season Two episode with Tom Skerritt. Things were changed, but if you watch the two shows back to back, (which I didn't I just remember it,) it's the same plot including the ending. Now for the ending, it reminded me almost completely( and Big Chicken, I think will agree) of Season Two's "Leopard on the Rock" which I love, with the same McGarrett slow burn of disgust, being mostly silent, the guilty party thinking he would get some compassion or sympathy from McGarrett and then McGarret knocks everyone's socks off with "Book'em, Murder On!" That's my only quibble which it was a little derivative of those earlier shows.

That being said, I went into this episode not expecting much, and then having my doors blown off, by how good the story was and how powerful it is. When McG reveals at the end that Jerry killed his wife and killed the strangler to keep him quiet and cover up his own crime, I never saw it coming, maybe I should have, but I didn't. I agree with Mr. Mike's analysis though, I don't understand why Jerry kept blabbing about his crime at the end instead of just keeping his mouth shut. I guess the writers had to wrap the show up. :!thinking:

Anyway, Big H, it was another great season four show, and I'm starting to see why you love this season so much.

Added: Thursday 16 August 2012 08:36:18 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

ringfire - yes, Malachi Throne was a recurring character in the '68 & '69 seasons - replaced by Ed Binns as Wally Powers for 1970 - the last season. It's a gold mine of Five-0 cross-over actors but I haven't had a chance yet to watch more eps.

Added: Wednesday 15 August 2012 15:23:49 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"ep. A VERY WARM RECEPTION featured Malachi Throne, Simon Oakland, Gavin Macleod, and Than Weynn."

Regarding IT TAKES A THIEF, Malachi Throne wasn't a guest-star. He was a series regular - playing Robert Wagner's boss Noah Bain. I believe he was in almost every episode.

Added: Wednesday 15 August 2012 11:30:16 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and There

Here's an interesting article from South Africa about the remake. Apparently, they are running one season behind us.

bit.ly/PcTAJj

Added: Wednesday 15 August 2012 08:30:30 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

There seems to be some copyright issue with "Tie a Yellow Ribbon Round the Ole Oak Tree." I was watching a biography of Tony Orlando on The E! True Hollywood Story a few years ago, and the narrator mentioned that despite the song being a big hit for Tony, they weren't going to play it during that broadcast. He explained that it had something to do with copyright problems, but I don't remember the details of it. Whatever issues they were, they were probably the reasons as to why the song wasn't left in "Presenting in the Center Ring: Murder."

Added: Wednesday 15 August 2012 08:01:03 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Another Five-O music replacement tracked down...

Several months ago, some guy was posting here that he was in the Wo Fat circus show Presenting ... In the Center Ring ... Murder, but on the DVDs his part was cut out. I suspected this had something to do with music rights, so I pulled out my copy of this show recently. Unfortunately, my copy was only about 48 minutes long versus 50 on the DVDs (among other things, the scene where Chin Ho was "strangled" as part of a security exercise was completely cut out).

I asked Jeff to check his tape of this episode which was more complete, and he reported the following:

I checked the uncut recording versus the DVD version and they are identical with every single shot. I have no reason to suspect that the tv recording was edited. HOWEVER...

They replaced the instrumental "Tie a Yellow Ribbon" music in the beginning of the circus scene in Act IV with generic circus music on the DVD. The 2 versions sync up again with the same music as the circus act continues, then they have more instrumental music replacement on the DVD in the final part of the circus act right before the normal dramatic score kicks in with Wo Fat pointing out the Reynaldos and their gun on the high wire.

So all scenes on the DVD appear to be intact; however, there are 2 instances of circus music replacement in Act IV. Goes to show you that a) the human memory can be a faulty thing, and b) CBS DVD slipped some music replacement right on by us that we never caught for several years!

Added: Wednesday 15 August 2012 06:31:23 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

Speaking of shows with numerous Five-0 guest stars I recently watched a couple episodes of IT TAKES A THIEF. It's a fantastic look back at late 60's TV and jam packed with Five -0 guest stars.

ep. PROJECT X featured Lloyd Bochner,John Colicos, Edward Binns, Richard Loo, and Keye Luke.

ep. A VERY WARM RECEPTION featured Malachi Throne, Simon Oakland, Gavin Macleod, and Than Weynn.

That's in just two episodes ...and I probably missed someone.

Added: Tuesday 14 August 2012 20:05:44 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: N.J.

Big Chicken - "Love the way the crowd off to the side watch Jack/McG as he walk by, 'specially the woman and the two young'uns, it work for the ep cause they in awe watchin a heroic cop makin a stand 'gainst organized crime - but theyse also star gazin at Jack embodying that character. And Jack gots that rock star swagger, he walkin' the walk. Its a rare moment that actually capture Steve McGarrett becomin part of the popular culture, transformin into that 70s-TV, law-enforcement icon that still castin a long shadow till this day."

I couldn't have said it better, BC. The look of awe of on the faces of those tourists say far more than they let on. It's not that they were seeing a famous actor walking by. They were seeing a famous actor portraying a character with so much realism, that they believed that what they were watching was real. That's the effect Jack has when you watch him. He steps into the character and makes it come alive.

Added: Tuesday 14 August 2012 13:30:25 MST


Submitted by: Tom
From: Woodstock, GA

I have loved the show for years and have bought and watched seasons 1-6 on DVD. I just got back from Hawaii. I took my adult son and daughter there for vacation. We did all the usual tourist stuff on Oahu and now watching episodes of Hawaii Five-O, I appreciate the scenery much more and actually recognize several of the places we went. I can't wait to finish seasons 7-12 and see what else I recognize.

Added: Tuesday 14 August 2012 13:04:10 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Warner Archive has just announced the release of the TV series The Lieutenant. There are numerous Five-O guest stars in this show. The price of it (two multi-disc sets), around $80 seems kind of expensive to me, though.

===

A man of war. A time of fragile peace. This is the set-up for Gene Roddenberry’s The Lieutenant, the tale of a brash and charming Marine lieutenant (2001: A Space Odyssey’s Gary Lockwood) serving at Camp Pendleton under a steely, button-down captain (The Man from U.N.C.L.E.’s Robert Vaughn). Lockwood’s William Tiberius Rice (yes, Tiberius!) is every bit the charming devil, but that’s just the glossy veneer that covers his firm commitment to Corps and Country, while Vaughn’s Captain Rambridge has the reasoning and the seasoning to keep Rice in line when his passions overflow. While examining the same themes, tropes, and quirks that Roddenberry would further explore in his next series, Star Trek, The Lieutenant also shows the effects of its particular era. As the series builds up to its ultimate away mission, the simmering conflict in Asia heats up and takes center stage when Lt. Rice gets stationed as a military adviser in Vietnam. Rice’s other missions include investigating Hollywood, race relations, faith and loyalty with the aid of hi-caliber guests like Robert Duvall, Dennis Hopper, Woody Strode and future Trek alums Leonard Nimoy, Majel Barrett, Nichelle Nichols, Walter Koenig, and Ricardo Montalban. TV greats James Gregory (Barney Miller) and Richard Anderson (The Six Million Dollar Man) enjoy recurring roles as well. Rarely seen since its original airing, The Lieutenant proves to be an unheralded harbinger of TV yet-to-come, "light years” ahead of its time. 29-Episode, 8-Disc Collection. Special Bonus: To Kill a Man — the feature film version of the series’ final episode, unseen since its original international theatrical release in 1964!

Added: Tuesday 14 August 2012 12:40:49 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The Intrada discussion is old. There are more recent comments here:

http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=90849&forumID=1&archive=0

Added: Tuesday 14 August 2012 11:10:04 MST


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

Hi Big H,

Thanks for mentioning the music Cue in TARGET - THE LADY.

Here is a link to the Intrada Discussion board, where they are talking about a CD box set of FIVE-0 music.

Also, there are other links in the thread to Film Score Monthly that included more comments - feel free to add your own comments, so maybe we can get the music released:

http://bit.ly/PV6l7b

Added: Tuesday 14 August 2012 10:39:35 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

My guess is Big Chick divides his time between Halawa and Seattle. He sure loves that prison soap and other amenities offered - such as singing out loud while taking a shower. But then Seattle is where his homeys Toomey Walsh & Lew Kelso hang out. So he's gotta drop by there from time to time. Wonder if he still has that blinding green T-shirt in his possession.

Hey Chick, Jerry Bay-Bee wants you to drop by the sugar cane shack out in Waipahu. Bobby George ain't there but the shack is still standing! And it's still a far out groovy place to hang out! Dig??

Added: Tuesday 14 August 2012 10:25:54 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

Well, Mr. Mike, it seems you were right. Chicken done busted out of Halawa and is back here stylin' and profilin' for the group. :!cool: Good to hear from you, Chicken. We thought perhaps you had slipped on that shower soap and hit your head on the shower floor.

Chick says>>Definitely an all-time classic endin, and an iconic moment for our man Steve-O,>>

Chicken has briefly touched on something here, just one more thing that made 5-0 special. Sometimes the writers (not always) were able to wrap the show with just the right snap, not much melodrama, and the composers would provide a memorable crescendo in classic 5-0 style. Name another show that does that now. Hell, just name one other show whose music is decent!!!

Glenn (and other 5-0 score lovers)....I was watching "Target The Lady" last night from Season 8 and noticed there's an interesting accompanying score during the first segment when a chase scene ensues (a heavy is chasing Susan Dey) just after Andrew Prine shoots the Las Vegas hoodie/money skimmer. There is especially some interesting keyboard/piano work when the chase scene migrates from car to afoot. It's worth a listen....

Added: Tuesday 14 August 2012 09:43:25 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Big Chicken: Great to hear you again my friend! Where you been? Chasing after criminals in Seattle?

Couldn't agree with you more about Mcg at the end of No Bottles!

Big Chicken is back and all is right with the world. Now, don't go back in the penitentiary again.

Added: Tuesday 14 August 2012 07:19:25 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Re: Big Chicken's comments, "Its a rare moment that actually capture Steve McGarrett becomin part of the popular culture, transformin into that 70s-TV, law-enforcement icon that still castin a long shadow till this day."

How true! In this case, it goes far beyond a group of tourists watching a television show being filmed, which we see any number of times throughout the series.

There's another such scene that we first see in Season 1, yet it is used any number of times. As McGarrett runs down the palace steps and out to his car, a group of tourists is making its way up the steps. A woman stops and turns to watch him. That tourist almost certainly realizes he is someone important and probably wonders who he is, whether he is someone important or someone on the lam, and where he is going in such a hurry. Her questions are answered when his police siren starts to wail.

Interestingly (and quite against human nature), she is the only one on the tour to wonder why a man is running away from the palace. In real life, the men would be watching, as well, and wondering whether there was a bank in the palace and whether they should tackle him and hold him for the police.

On a different topic - -

Last night, I watched "Deathwatch" (Season 1). After Matsukimo (sp?) and Cardonus have been to McG's office, they meet up again at the Kahala. In the background, a man and a woman stroll past. The man is wearing a blue aloha shirt and a tan plantation hat. Would someone with sharper eyes than mine please take a close look and tell me whether that man is Jack. Mahalo!

Added: Tuesday 14 August 2012 03:25:48 MST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Halawa Correctional Facility, Inmate Shower Room

Hey Rainbow Warrior, Otto, Big H and RingFire, many thanx for the shout-outs, bruddas

You wanna talk to Big Chicken, alls ya gotta do is ask. And here I am.

I still believe in the law, cause the law still cool. (right on Big H)

Chicken took in another viewing a "No Bottles," after yo post, Rainbow Warrior. And when Steve-O walk off in the airport after tellin that syndicate cat to be on the nex plane out, that's jus what I thought - the Law is Cool. Way Cool.

Love the way the crowd off to the side watch Jack/McG as he walk by, 'specially the woman and the two young'uns, it work for the ep cause they in awe watchin a heroic cop makin a stand 'gainst organized crime - but theyse also star gazin at Jack embodying that character. And Jack gots that rock star swagger, he walkin' the walk. Its a rare moment that actually capture Steve McGarrett becomin part of the popular culture, transformin into that 70s-TV, law-enforcement icon that still castin a long shadow till this day.

Definitely an all-time classic endin, and an iconic moment for our man Steve-O, Five-O.

Added: Monday 13 August 2012 20:39:43 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

Just wanna say hi all. Miss ya. Been busy lately...no i will not buy 5-0 S2 DVD. nope! PERSON OF INTEREST S1 DVD sept 4 i shall buy!

gotta watch some of the old 5-0's i have not seen like 'the gunrunner'

Added: Monday 13 August 2012 14:35:04 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I quite like Season 8, aside from the idiotic Deadly Persuasion and A Killer Grows Wings, which is full of inconsistencies and continuity errors. This season includes Honor is an Unmarked Grave, which has Elissa suntanning in a bikini!

Added: Monday 13 August 2012 09:58:33 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

"Big H-How is season eight?"

Warrior....in all honesty, it has been quite a few years since I've seen all of Season 8, but I did a scan Mr. Mike's anal-yses and the memories came flooding back. (Right now, I'm early in the season....I think my next ep is #4..."Target..The Lady.";) Overall, I think it is a decent season, but for me, it doesn't even begin to compare to Season 4, the season you are watching. The Vashon trilogy, which you'll see in Season 5, is given complete closure with an episode in Season 8. Ringfire mentioned Henry Darrow's Season 4 appearance below, and he makes another solid appearance in Season 8....different character of course. I think the quality of the Season 8 eps is still solid.....5-0 had not begun the descent to its nadir quite yet. I think that occurs (the noticeable decrease in episode quality) with Season 10 (I might get some disagreement on that proposal from our group).

Chicken, if you're still out there, put down the shower soap and give us a shout. The law is still cool... :!cool:

Added: Monday 13 August 2012 09:44:45 MST


Submitted by: OTTO
From: NYC

Rainbow: I've been wondering about the man. Perhaps he got turned off to some of the fighting on the forum, or the discussions of the new show.

Maybe Big Chick is going through a Columbo phase. I did that a couple years ago. It was great. But since i didn't watch that show when i was a kid, i don't have the nostalgia for it. But i give Falk his due as being the only possible rival for McGarrett, for entertainment of a completely different sort, of course.

Big Chick: if you're out there, come shout to us a bit!

Added: Friday 10 August 2012 19:32:40 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"I just watched one of my all time favorite episodes yesterday "No Bottles, No Cans, No People." I've seen it countless times, but the script and the dialogue was like a firecracker!"

Indeed! It's one of my favorites from season 4! And easily superior to "Highest Castle, Deepest Grave" which was a solid episode in its own right!

Also I gotta say - Henry Darrow as Johnny Oporta gets my vote as the best baddie of season 4. If I were to give an Emmy for best season 4 guest-star... Darrow would be it!! Slimy and oily doesn't even begin to describe him. His smug behavior, those shades, that wide grin, his scenes with McG -- classic!!

I've seen Darrow in many things (almost always playing a heavy) but he was never better than he was here.

P.S. I've never seen the late 60s TV western THE HIGH CHAPARRAL - the show that brought Darrow into the limelight. Will need to check it out some day. It was created by David Dortort who created BONANZA. So it ought to be good.

Added: Friday 10 August 2012 11:07:59 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Yeah, based on the new show Big Chicken would escape and hook up with Wo Fat, considering everybody on the new show is involved with Wo Fat it seems.

Big H-How is season eight?

Added: Friday 10 August 2012 10:39:33 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Big H, if Big Chicken is in Halawa, considering this institution's slipshod security depicted in the new Five-0 shows, he won't be there very long! :D

Added: Friday 10 August 2012 10:03:48 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Just received the following pix from CBS's promotion department. This suggests to me that Grace Park's character is still alive (DUH!!).

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/images/gp.jpg

By the way, I managed to recover some entries from the C/H/Q writers' blog which involve GP as well, you may find them interesting:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/chqblog.htm

Added: Friday 10 August 2012 09:59:59 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

Forever says>> Yet, even then, times were changing, because in "While You're at It, Bring in the Moon," also from Season 4, the media were almost vicious with McGarrett,....

Forever, didn't some journalist or media type castigate McG and Danno on the air in Season 1's "And The Painted Daisies" when Danno accidently kills a kid by shooting through the doorknob? Am I thinking of a later ep or is that the one?

Rainbow....I told you that you were going to LOVE season 4. It makes me want to pull it off the shelf and start watching but I'm trying to make my way through season 8 right now.

Maybe Big Chick is back at Halawa Correctional taking a shower and singing "Ain't No Big Ting"... :)

Added: Friday 10 August 2012 09:28:01 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Another "bone" to pick with Bones of Contention:

When McGarrett and Professor Burke sit outside the restaurant watching for Parmel, McGarrett asks "Is that Parmel?" and Burke says "Yes." But how would Burke know this? Whenever Parmel has been in touch with or met the prof, he has never told him his name. Furthermore, McGarrett has access to Parmel's military record as well as a rap sheet from San Quentin, so >he< should know what Parmel looks like!

Added: Friday 10 August 2012 09:21:13 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Big H-

I just watched one of my all time favorite episodes yesterday "No Bottles, No Cans, No People." I've seen it countless times, but the script and the dialogue was like a firecracker! It had one of my all time favorite endings when McGarret confronts the "syndicate head" from Detroit after arresting Johnny Operta and says to him:

"That plane leaves in 15 minutes and you have a ticket. Be on it! When you get back to Detroit, you tell your friends that the deal is off. Permanently!"

As Mcg walks off into the airport with the great closing theme playing, the rush I get from that is coursing through my veins!

Added: Friday 10 August 2012 08:59:10 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Yeah, Big Chick seems to be missing in action. Whatever happened to him? He was one coooool brutha!! :!cool:

Added: Thursday 09 August 2012 11:54:21 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Bones of Contention -- this show has lots of problems, although the story itself is kind of interesting, inasmuch as it is based on "contemporary events" (the disappearance of Peking Man's bones).

The main problem is at the end, where Vic Tayback switches grave headstones. Is this really that easy to do in broad daylight? Surely someone would have seen him, especially since he is doing this with a crowbar.

He switches the headstone of the grave containing the Peking Man bones with that of another guy who died in 1945, but when McGarrett opens up that coffin, there is insignia on the corpse's uniform which indicates he was in the >Korean< War. As well, there is a brief shot showing a headstone which is flopped (i.e., it is like a negative where the writing is all backwards).

Tayback also tells Keene Curtis that the bones for Peking Man are in some crematorium in Long Beach, California. This angle isn't followed up. Why does he say this? Because he is going to take the money, send Curtis on a wild goose chase, and then bugger off with the cash before Curtis gets back to Hawaii?

Kwan Hi Lim is the "uncle" of the guy who Tayback knocks off at the beginning who is trying to sell information to Curtis. This really stretches credulity.

You also wonder why Danno goes to Paris Island to interview some guy who was connected to the bones before their disappearance, and why Jonathan Kaye suddenly comes to Hawaii to throw his weight around with McGarrett. Wouldn't a phone call been an easier way to deal with these two situations?

Added: Thursday 09 August 2012 09:38:18 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Rainbow, the closest related episode that comes to mind is "FOB Honolulu" (Season 3), but that was before Watergate. Still, USN Cdr Ron Nicholson turned traitor, which was a complete disappointment to McGarrett, also a naval intelligence officer.

Of course, Wo Fat, et al, were guilty of abusing the power of their positions, but that doesn't really qualify for this discussion.

But, no. Unlike the remake, which showed a governor being in cahoots with Wo Fat, no. We never saw anything like that in 1.0. Gov. Paul Jameson was a good guy. Chief Dann of the HPD, even though only mentioned in passing, was held to be a good guy. The mayor of Honolulu wasn't even mentioned, I don't think. With the exception of organized crime, even the business leaders were good guys. They went to their Rotary Club meetings, paid their taxes, and built their highrises, highrises, highrises...

One change we did see was a change in attitude of the media. In the early seasons, the media worked with Five-0, stopping stories from being printed when the need arose, etc. One that comes to mind is "Rest in Peace, Somebody" (Season 4), when Eddie Sherman agreed not to print Mona's letters. Yet, even then, times were changing, because in "While You're at It, Bring in the Moon," also from Season 4, the media were almost vicious with McGarrett, first, for not responding immediately to the murder (They didn't know he had been kidnapped by Morgan Hilliard's henchmen.) and, second, for not accepting the circumstantial evidence that pointed to Hilliard as the murderer.

Of course, the media was feeling its oats even before Watergate. Vietnam brought that about when Congress and the White House refused to accept that what was going on was WRONG! Five-0 did get into that and in a very big way in "To Kill or Be Killed" (Season 3), filmed in 1971/1972. The Mai Lai Massacre (1968) still was very much on everyone's minds.

Added: Thursday 09 August 2012 08:44:50 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

H50 Forever,

Actually what I meant about the Watergete influence wasn't a direct or specific reference to Watergate, but rather if during and after the time of Watergate they had some episodes which was an indirect comment on corruption in high places. For example where there any shows between Fall 1972 and let's say 1977 where they had an elected official or powerful government official who broke the law, and McG and the team had to bring him in to justice even though that person was so powerful, and so public that they risked their own jobs and lives by going after him. So it was a Watergate commentary without specifically mentioning or going into the actual Watergate Scandal.

I enjoyed hearing about the episode from Season Nine that was influencd by "JAWS", I will look forward to watching that when I get to Season Nine.

Big H, I will let you know about season Four as I go along.

OTTO: If you are out there: What has happened to fellow poster Big Chicken???? Is he okay, is he still alive?? I haven't seen a post from him since early January.

Added: Thursday 09 August 2012 07:20:26 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

As for Watergate's influences on Five-0, it seems to me that Five-0 left that hot issue alone. Of course, it would have been difficult to include it. All the action was in DC.

If, in Season 5's "Will the Real Mr. Winkler Please Die," McGarrett had run into Woodward and Bernstein while on his way to see his intelligence contact, maybe they could have done something. Or, if Nixon had taken his final Air Force One ride to the islands... :D

I almost said Woodward and Lothrop; that is, Woodies, a Department Store, now long gone, sad to say. All the good stores are gone, now. Even in the islands: McInerny's, Liberty House, even Long's Drugs, which is now owned by CVS. What is the world coming to?

Added: Wednesday 08 August 2012 14:45:24 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"Re: "Heads, You're Dead," when those in the water see the shark circling, Sandy Wells says, "I sure hope it hasn't seen that movie." So, Jaws influenced the scene and offered a bit of comic relief to the tension of being dumped in the middle of the Pacific Ocean and left to die."

Oh wow! I haven't seen season 9 in a long time. But now that you mention it I do seem to recall something like that being said in that episode. If that's the case then definitely we have our JAWS influence right there!!

Added: Wednesday 08 August 2012 12:36:07 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Re: "Heads, You're Dead," when those in the water see the shark circling, Sandy Wells says, "I sure hope it hasn't seen that movie." So, Jaws influenced the scene and offered a bit of comic relief to the tension of being dumped in the middle of the Pacific Ocean and left to die.

Added: Wednesday 08 August 2012 11:22:24 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Big H,

I agree with you on "Trouble in Mind." That show is so good it is stunning to watch it unfold.

Added: Wednesday 08 August 2012 10:38:19 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Hi Rainbow,

Don't know about Watergate. Or at least no episode immediately springs to mind.

As for JAWS, oh that's easy. Check out season 9's "Heads, You're Dead". You have a group of white trash killers led by that great "white trash character actor" Paul Koslo who ditch Officer Sandi Welles (who is undercover) in the ocean in a rubber raft in shark-infested waters. Not sure if this was directly inspired by JAWS but it's the one that immediately comes to mind. ;) That episode was from 1976 so that's a year after Spielberg's summer blockbuster.

Added: Wednesday 08 August 2012 10:35:52 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

Business first.....Forever, you are correct. PHP (in the finance world, not the drug world!)is indeed the Philipino Peso, and at today's exchange rate of $1USD to 41.77PHP, the cost of that pic should translate out to about $15USD. (source: Yahoo Finance)

Now to pleasure. Rainbow, my fav for season 3 is without doubt "Trouble in Mind." Stellar performances by Harry Guardino and Nancy Wilson, and I'm pretty sure that the incomparable Milton Selzer makes an appearance as the slimy drug pusher, even though it is not listed on IMDB and Mr. Mike leaves it out of his anal-ysis (shame on you, Mr. Mike ;) Runner-up goes to "Over Fifty--Steal!!). Two words>> Hume Cronyn (nuff said) Music for that ep is stellar, too.

As far as season 4 goes, this one is more difficult because this season is absolutely chocked full of great eps....many 3 star eps (Mr. Mike's ratings) which the argument could be made that some should be 4 stars. You're going to love this season. If someone put a gun to my head and said "choose or LOSE", I would have to go with "SkinHead" because this one left an indelible impression on me after the first viewing....kinda like watching Eastwood's masterpiece, "Million-Dollar Baby", which I can never watch again, even though it is a phenomenal movie. As far as a runner up...take your pic among any of the 3 stars eps. Ringire's "Rest in Peace, Somebody" and "Highest Castle" (a 4 star) come to mind quickly.

I would have to say that season 4 (for me)slightly egdes out season 3 as the best of the two. Can't wait to see if you agree.

Added: Wednesday 08 August 2012 09:57:46 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Watched "A Matter of Mutual Concern" last night. I swear this episode gets more and more brilliant with each viewing. Plus it's one of the most hilarious episodes of the whole show! As Mr. Mike calls it - it's a real "Race-o-Rama"!! Everyone is either a powdery Chinaman, a gook slob, a fat-handed Oriental, or a stupid Jap! :D Hilarious!!

And how awesome is that English lesson that McG gives to Tasi... "Wait a minute ... this is Hawaii, U.S.A. It's time for your English lesson. Repeat slowly after me -- Japanese, Chinese, Korean." And then Tasi gives McG an Archie Bunker-type raspberry. Freaking hilarious!! :D

Or how about the pool scene where Danno notices that one of them just sank the cueball. Or the airport scene where that ugly enforcer comes in from Miami and after being forced to fly back by McG he tells McG to "ram it"!

Everything in this episode is so politically incorrect and hilarious and I just loooove it!! How about when after McG gives Tasi his "English lesson" he (McG) tells Danno "Let's go". Danno asks "Where?" McG says "to see the powdery Chinaman".

Oh almost forgot - what about Afuso going on and on about being in the middle of inventory! I don't know why but it always cracks me up! He says it like 5 times in one scene. There's a gang war about to explode and all Afuso can think about is his inventory!

Something else - love the talk between Li Wing and the Korean Kim Lo Lang towards the end at the Natatorium. Li Wing is using his typical wise proverbial sayings and Kim Lo is just annoyed and totally disrespecting the old man, calling him "pops", "dad", "old man". Brilliant!

P.S. Everyone refers to Marc Marno's character as Kim Lo Lang (it's even displayed on a sign at his yacht shop) but McG keeps calling him Kim Lo Yang.

Added: Wednesday 08 August 2012 09:42:30 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

H50 Forever,

Sure feel free to use it as you wish.

Ringfire,

I loved what you wrote, the thing I did love about the first three seasons was the heavy emphasis on super spies and foreign espionage plots, because they seem even more relevant in today's world.

You're absolutely right about "The Godfather" being the inspiration behind the "Vashon" trilogy, so I have another question for you as someone who has seen all the Five-O episodes where I have not. Do you think that there were any Five-O episodes that were influenced by the Watergate scandal and the movie "Jaws?"

Added: Wednesday 08 August 2012 09:28:59 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Rainbow, may I use your tidbit about Frost/Nixon on my website? Paraphrased, of course.

Added: Tuesday 07 August 2012 17:43:14 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

That's another currency, Mike. I think "php" means "Philippine Peso". Pictures like that generally sell for between $10-$15 US/Canadian on ioffer.

Added: Tuesday 07 August 2012 15:04:48 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"but my memory fails me on seasons 7-9, so how would you describe those years if they are not part of the "glory years?""

7-9 are still fantastic seasons (and I'm a proud owner of them on DVD) but they are a notch below seasons 1-6. There are more average episodes to be found in those seasons and repetition certainly did begin to creep in. But the decline of the show didn't really begin until season 10. So 9 solid seasons is indeed something to be very proud of. Most shows don't even make it to 9 seasons and are lucky if they have 3 seasons that are considered great. Our show had 9 great seasons.

"I was also very intrigued by I think it was your theory that season four was much more seedier than the first three seasons because the network sensors were more willing to let things go after the success of "All in the Family." Season four does have a much darker edge to it than the first 3 seasons."

That was the key to the show's success - to change with the times. Hippies and super spies were on their way out. Urban crime thrillers and gangsters were on their way in. The Vashons, for instance, were basically the Corleones of Hawaii. That was 1972! Hmmm... what big movie came out that year and won an Oscar? And the Vashon episode arc was basically a trilogy too! Lots of shows at that time changed to adapt - MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE when it entered the 70s had to give up the Cold War/foreign espionage plots and focus on more domestic plots - organized crime, gambling, fixed prizefights, etc.

When it comes to FIVE-0 while I like both the more sanitized/swinging seasons 1-3 and the more gritty seasons 4-6 (both appeal to me for different reasons) I guess I have a slight preference for seasons 1-3. If only because season 1 is actually my favorite season. Swinging 60s, hippies, spies, Vietnam War vibe - great stuff! To see McG in suit and tie on the beach in Waikiki while two chicks are eyeballing him and using catchphrases like "Grooovy, baby!" and "Dig?" is just too much of a rush for me! I'm in a state of euphoria watching this stuff! It's like a whole different world for me. Talk about an awesome time capsule! Plus that inaugural season was so fresh and McG was like a firecracker! It also gave us the coolest villain of the show - Big Chicken!! I can't even handle how cool that cat was!! Far out!! :!cool:

Also, interesting note regarding FROST/NIXON. I did see the film but don't recall the FIVE-0 poster. Good eye there! I guess little Ronny Howard used to watch the show, eh? Maybe was even a fan. ;)

Added: Tuesday 07 August 2012 14:41:27 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Picture supposedly of an older Jack Lord. No idea why it is priced so high (what is the currency?).

http://ph.ioffer.com/i/jack-lord-169137507

I have seen this photo before (with this watermark). Seems to me it would be relatively easy to Photoshop the writing out of the picture.

Added: Tuesday 07 August 2012 12:59:43 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

1. Which season does everyone prefer Season three or four?

Season 3 is my favorite of all 12 seasons.

2. What is your favorite season three episode and season four episode?

Season 3 episode - FOB Honolulu
Season 4 episode - The Ninety-Second War

Added: Tuesday 07 August 2012 12:04:15 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Ringfire,

Oh boy you have really stimulated the conversation now for me. I agree that the first six years were the "glory years", but my memory fails me on seasons 7-9, so how would you describe those years if they are not part of the "glory years?"

I also agree that choosing between the seasons is almost impossible, but that shows how consistent the quality of the show every season was. I'm interested in seeing my reaction, as I go through season four after the knockout season three, because season four has my most memorable ending from childhood which was "Skinhead", and I was also very intrigued by I think it was your theory that season four was much more seedier than the first three seasons because the network sensors were more willing to let things go after the success of "All in the Family." Season four does have a much darker edge to it than the first 3 seasons.

I agree with you on the "Bomber and Mrs Maroney" as it was taught, tight, and allowed JMac to flex his acting muscles. Also, I loved the two episodes that you like from season Four. "....Candy, and a Gun that shoots," I saw just once as a kid, but have never been able to forget it. I can't wait to rewatch it.

A bit of trivia for everyone. There was this terrific Ron Howard film back in 2008 called "Frost and Nixon" about the famous 1977 David Frost interviews of Richard Nixon in which Nixon confessed to his Watergate crimes and cover-up, and apologized for what he did to the American public. In the early part of the film, Michael Sheen who plays Frost is meeting with all the network executives to pitch the interviews to them. He gets rejected by all of them, but interestingly, to represent CBS and the programming executive he is meeting with there, Howard decided to put one picture on the wall in the executive's office to show Frost was at CBS. The picture was a huge poster of the title wave with the classic "Hawaii Five-O" title on it. Think about that! To represent 1970's CBS to modern day audiences, Howard didn't choose the CBS eye logo, or any of the other monster hits that CBS had in the 1970's, he chose Five-O to show audiences Frost was at CBS. Enough said.

Added: Tuesday 07 August 2012 11:53:11 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Season three best = To Kill or Be Killed (second: The Late John Louisana).

Season four best = Highest Castle, Deepest Grave (second: Skinhead).

I prefer season three.

Added: Tuesday 07 August 2012 11:35:15 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"I just finished season three, which I though was top notch from beginning to end and the best of the first three seasons"

Indeed it's a terrific season!! Many claim that this is where FIVE-0 really found its stride and was firing on all cylinders. Heck, this is the season where the show landed in the #7 spot in the Nielsen ratings! Compare this with the #19 spot the season before.

"I have two questions for all. 1. Which season does everyone prefer Season three or four?"

For me choosing between the first 6 seasons (the "glory years" of the show) is like choosing between your kids. Almost impossible. But I supposed if I really had to choose between the two I'd go with season 3. Even though my favorite episode is in season 4.

"2. What is your favorite season three episode and season four episode?"

Season 3 - "Over Fifty? Steal" ( runner-up: "The Bomber and Mrs. Moroney" )
Season 4 - "Rest in Peace, Somebody" ( runner-up: "And I Want Some Candy and a Gun that Shoots" )

Added: Tuesday 07 August 2012 09:54:30 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Hello All,

I just finished season three, which I though was top notch from beginning to end and the best of the first three seasons because of the consistency of terrific episodes each week, and I have just started season four with the magnificent "Highest Castle, Deepest Grave.'

I have two questions for all. 1. Which season does everyone prefer Season three or four? 2. What is your favorite season three episode and season four episode?

My favorite season three episode was tough to come to, but I think it's "F.O.B. Honolulu Part I and II", although I loved "10,000 Diamonds and a Heart", and "Over Fifty Steal!" which is like splitting hairs.

Added: Tuesday 07 August 2012 07:30:36 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

Sorry, Big H, but that was not my find. Nor my sale or purchase. Do wish I could afford original art, but unless I paint it, myself, that's not in my tax bracket. LOL

Added: Monday 06 August 2012 12:41:44 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

Hmmm....Forever, the cement curl is going the wrong way! :!thinking:

Added: Monday 06 August 2012 10:01:07 MST


Submitted by: H50_Phan
From: Ohio

Just ran across this completed eBay auction from June 22nd: http://bit.ly/OWytMn (scroll down for some very nice large pictures).

An original artwork by Mark English that was used to create the cover for a September 1973 issue of TV Guide... here is the picture of that issue (from this site): http://bit.ly/QE83k3

This original artwork sold in this eBay auction for $6,000!

Added: Sunday 05 August 2012 20:46:29 MST


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

You're welcome, Big H.

I would LOVE to see a CD release of THE STRANGERS IN 7A.

In fact, ANY Morton Stevens is welcome with me.

You can hear some much of his heart in his scores...:)

Added: Thursday 02 August 2012 13:39:00 MST


Submitted by: Hoosiergirl
From: NapTown

Regarding the spoilers...It's pretty common in TV these days to release a lot of teasers. Yes, it's to maintain interest, but it's also a tactic to rise above the noise of all the other shows and distrations, both broadcast and digital, that are clamouring for the attention of the casual viewer. The teasers ramp up the chatter of the loyal fans and media sites, which in turn spreads out into the rest of the world. At least that is the hope. Lenkov does a brilliant job of it. Giving away just enough to get people talking, but not enough to spoil the fun for even the most loyal viewer.

Regarding SOTB...Last year there were a few videos of the the premier posted around the net. I saw most of the 1st ep within hours of SOTB. Lenkov was ticked off to no end and was quite vocal about it. Methinks that is why there's no public premier this year. He doesn't want the big reveal leaked. Hate to tell him, but it'll be leaked anyway. I'm positive I'll be able to dial up the ep within a day after it goes to the network, which is a week to ten days before the season premier. The devious folks on the internets get around pretty much every roadblock thrown at them when it comes to piracy.

Added: Thursday 02 August 2012 11:46:14 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Wow! Just checked out the opening theme of STRANGERS IN 7A in that YouTube clip. Pure Morton Stevens!! You can just close your eyes and imagine it playing over a scene on FIVE-0.

Added: Thursday 02 August 2012 10:44:28 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

Thanks, Glenn....I haven't seen The Strangers but I'll check it out since Mort did the score. And thanks to Rick for the link. I think Ringfire is on to it since I've seen all the Raiders movies, it was probably there that I noticed this brilliant musical cue....lots of bugs, spiders, rats and snakes in those movies that require an eerie score. The reason that I brought it up was because as much as I've heard (and admired) the Stevens scores in the 5-0 eps, I don't recall that particular piece, except in "Murder - Eyes Only," of course.

BTW....I loved the look on McG's face in that scene when Danno actually aimed the gun at his face and pulled the trigger!!! Lord had the facial expressions down to a science.

Added: Thursday 02 August 2012 09:35:15 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The amount of spoilers Lenkov has released in this message and others recently really make you wonder if he has to do this to maintain viewer interest.

It's interesting that the season 2 Sunset on the Beach show was before the broadcast premiere, but people were exhorted NOT to say anything about this in advance -- and on all the sites I was checking, no one did (not to say that someone spilled the beans SOMEwhere).

As far as I am aware, there will not be a season three Sunset on the Beach premiere.

Added: Thursday 02 August 2012 09:28:44 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there

2.0 teasers posted on http://bit.ly/OmhamB
Reads more like a soap opera than detective fiction. Oh, well...

Added: Thursday 02 August 2012 08:02:14 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

THE STRANGERS IN 7A ...additional - of course it should be mentioned the director is Paul Wendkos (COCOON).

Added: Wednesday 01 August 2012 22:06:09 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Those randomly plucked strings usually accompany insect scenes in movies. Usually you'd hear those strings in Indiana Jones movies - when creepy crawlers crawl over someone's body. Like all over Alfred Molina's back in the opening cave sequence in RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK. That's all I can think of at the moment. Sorry.

Added: Wednesday 01 August 2012 21:23:03 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

Well done Glenn - like a lot of movies/TV movies from the 1970's it has a certain grittiness to it. Quite good actually - Andy Griffith is outstanding. It's on YouTube in it's entirety... bit.ly/Qvyxl5 ...as Claudine (yikes!) dances "around and around and around" ...you just know what's coming - busting right through that door!

Added: Wednesday 01 August 2012 20:53:34 MST


Submitted by: Glenn
From: Orlando, FL (USA)

That fine music cue (and score) heard in MURDER-EYES ONLY is by the great Morton Stevens. Mort also did a similar music cue in his score for the 1972 Andy Griffith TV Movie, THE STRANGERS IN 7A - that might be where you heard this music before,that is if you saw this fun TV movie, which can be had on DVD for cheap. I have this movie on DVD and VHS and this music is heard during the bank robbery scene - like I said, a fun movie with an outstanding score by Morton Stevens.

Check it out - hope this helps...:)

Added: Wednesday 01 August 2012 19:04:14 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: nc

I have a question for the faithful. While watching S8's "Murder - Eyes Only" over the weekend, I noticed an intriguing musical sequence during this ep that I think was also in a movie, but I can't remember the movie. The accompanying scene is where the navy shrink hynotizes Danno into aiming an empty gun at McG and pulling the trigger ala a Manchurian Candidate. The sound can best be described as many violins performing seemingly random "plucking" of strings. It's a very interesting and somewhat eerie piece, and I know that I've heard it before in a movie. Ringfire and Rick, you guys are good at pulling stuff like this out of your brains. Can you watch this scene/listen to this piece and let me know your thoughts? The scene in question occurs about 1/2 way through this two-parter. Mr. Mike makes mention of the scene in his anal-ysis but not the accompanying score.

Added: Wednesday 01 August 2012 12:29:30 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"But as the Jeep-driving hippie in the top hat... puh-leeze!"

Right on, bruddah!! "Buddha saaaaaay....." Ughh! I wanted to slap that jerk so hard that he would roll off the jeep and into the Ala Wai Canal. I don't know - does that mean Ritter's performance was that good as to elicit this response from me? :D Somehow I'm not convinced because then I'd have to say the same for Mark Lenard in "To Hell with Babe Ruth". And we know Lenard's performance was nothing short of atrocious!

"Rest in Peace..." was so beautifully crafted... The writer had his ducks in a row. The director and actors put it all in place. Fantastic!"

Exactly! It just so happens that I watched this episode last night. It's funny that I'm going through season 4 and this episode just happened to be next on my viewing list - just 1 day after Norm Alden's death. Yes, fantastic direction by Paul Stanley, great eerie music by Don Ray (especially when Cameron infiltrates the Iolani Palace at night with the paint bucket), and just an all-out great story by John D.F. Black. Masterpiece indeed!

Sure you can nitpick why wasn't anyone guarding the Palace at night (especially since we already know that Cameron has previously been inside McG's office) or why Cameron didn't take a headshot at the Governor in the end to ensure a certain death.... but the episode is so tightly paced and suspenseful that it doesn't even matter. Love the scene where McG keeps playing back the tape recording of "playing judge, tin idol" and then writing it down to help jog his memory. Then slowly fragments and flashes start appearing in McG's mind. Then we finally see a closeup of Norm Alden's face as he yells "tin idol!!". Cut to commercial wave. Classic!

Added: Wednesday 01 August 2012 09:55:25 MST


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