Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- August 2011

The Hawaii Five-O Discussion Forum -- August 2011



The following are archived comments from August, 2011. After looking around, please add your own comments!

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Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Peace and joy, strong brothers!

Aloha Rainbow Warrior. Jus watched "Just Lucky" recently as well. great episode on so many levels, with some a Steve's best speechifyin. Thought Steve pleadin wit Mr. Hardware to stand up for what’s right an look beyond his own self interest & self preservation for the common good transcends the usual crime drama. Pretty heady stuff for network TV.

“Jin who Clears The Way” & “Nine Dragons” got my votes for top Wo Fatters, with your pick “Forty Feet” jus edgin out “Time to Die.”

And Aloha RingFire. Recall you didn't really dig Paniolo and Ise agree its a bit of a divergence from the usual policin. But, man it’s a powerhouse dramatic ep in its own right and – hey - you gets to saddle up with Steve-O!

Added: Wednesday 31 August 2011 19:39:31 MST


Submitted by: alpha128
From: the IMDb

"Does Charlie Bombay make any more appearances after "Just Lucky...." or was that it?" - Rainbow Warrior

The character of Charlie Bombay reappears in the Season 8 episode "McGarrett is Missing", but is played by Charles Cioffi instead of Albert Paulsen.

Thankfully when they brought back Honore Vashon shortly thereafter in "The Case Against McGarrett", Harold Gould reprised the role.

Added: Wednesday 31 August 2011 19:28:18 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Charlie Bombay reappeared in season eight's McGarrett is Missing, where he was played by Charles Cioffi. Jimmy Borges plays Cholly Bombay, a sleazy nightclub owner in the "next" season episode Hale lio.

Regarding "people on Stoney Burke" who refused to work with Jack Lord again, Bruce Dern, in his autobiography, had some not-nice things to say about Jack Lord as I recall, but I'm not going to rush to the library to confirm this.

What is playing on Frank Kuakua's daughter's TV >is< from the teaser to Savage Sunday. In fact, the daughter turns off the TV just before the teaser turns into the opening wave and main titles to the show. The music here is the same as used at the end of Bored She Hung Herself, as I noted in my "anal-ysis" of the banned episode, but that show's music is not attributed to any specific composer.

Added: Wednesday 31 August 2011 19:10:31 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kailua

"and Silvera is very believable as a Hawaiian" he does a great job portraying a kanaka maoli even though he is (was) popolo.

Added: Wednesday 31 August 2011 13:44:12 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Welcome back, Bruddah Chicken! You probably recall that Bruddah Ringfire was never all too keen on "Paniolo" since he likes episodes that have a harder edge to them. This episode just doesn't flip me, bay-bee!! It has some nice Maui scenery and Silvera is very believable as a Hawaiian. And of course Royal Dano is always a big plus. But it lacks the classic Five-0 ingredients. Lacks the urgency. Lacks a strong central villain. It's a bit too mellow for my tastes. And yes, "Little Girl Blue" is a great smorgasbord! :)

Added: Wednesday 31 August 2011 11:00:48 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

just saw SKINHEAD----classic! yeah, McG slam that desk!

made me jump

McG's confrontation with the stupid bar guy is priceless

and the ending with Leonard and Kenner is incredible

really? luke running trying to run away and Zulu in the way? come on.

A+!

Added: Wednesday 31 August 2011 09:14:40 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Big Chicken,

Aloha my friend. I just watched "Just Lucky, I guess" yesterday and lo and behold here you pop up. I love season two and I always have. I guess my favorite episode of the season was "Forty Feet High and it kills!" which like everyone I've seen so many times.... Big Chicken and others, I'm wondering what your favorite( top three) Wo Fat episodes of the old series are. I've seen many of them, but not all of them, so I'm looking for ones I've missed. Also, excuse the dumb question as I haven't seen every episode of all twelve years, but does Charlie Bombay make any more appearances after "Just Lucky...." or was that it?

Added: Wednesday 31 August 2011 08:38:12 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: New Jersey

"Yes, Vrinda, Jack Lord forgetting that he already wrote me a thank you letter I'm sure was nothing more than simply not keeping a record of it. I think those are the words he used to explain it actually. I just found the timing somewhat interesting. Geez, I'm getting the urge to actually get up in my attic and find them now."

- Barbara

Let us know when you do. I'd like to know what he wrote. I came across a comment from a guy named Jay McKenna on the IMDb. He's also fueling the fire that Jack was a tyrant and that even people who worked with him on Stoney Burke refused to work with him again. When I asked him about that, he said he would have answered my questions, but "didn't like my tone or attitude." He never worked on Five-O himself. He had bit parts in other shows, but said he heard stories from two people (including James), but he refused to say anything about it. His connection was that he was in a play with James and Melody Patterson at a theater in Hawaii. Maybe it's just me, but if these people have something to say about Jack and can support what they say, not just, "He was a tyrant," or "he was mean," then they should just get it out in the open. I'm tired of this double-talking and talking in circles.

Added: Tuesday 30 August 2011 21:29:38 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Choosing season 3 over season 2 (or vice versa) is like choosing between your children. You simply can't have one without the other. To me the first 4 seasons are absolute MUST-HAVEs! Then come 5 and 6 - although I can't definitively say I prefer seasons 1-4 over 5 and 6. The first 6 seasons are all stellar!

Added: Tuesday 30 August 2011 21:26:56 MST


Submitted by: Big Chicken
From: Bombay, All The Way

RingFire say: "Just watched "Paniolo" from season 3 last night. Not sure if anyone noticed this but when Frank Kuakua (Frank Silvera) visits his daughter's house and as he walks into the house you can hear Five-0 playing on the TV in the house....I just thought it was a funny way to break the 4th wall I guess - we're watching Five-0 while Frank's daughter is also watching Five-0."

Yeah, you got Five-O referencin itself in a great, great episode - bruddah RingFire. Hey, Chicken always dug "Little Girl Blue" cause of its Pulp Fictionesque nods n' self-references to classic earlier eps. You get all that "Candy & A Gun" footage, Ron Feinberg again 'ain't got no drivin license,' and right ats the end him and Steve-O flip gears into the conclude from "King O' The Hill." A total smorgasbord of episodic touchstones for the discerning Five-O head.

Added: Tuesday 30 August 2011 21:18:27 MST


Submitted by: big h
From: singapore

Hiram....buy season 2. You'll get Thousand Pardons and Singapore File, two of the best eps ever made.

Added: Tuesday 30 August 2011 14:48:30 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

dunno if anyone wrote about season 4 dvd cover but doesn't jack lord look jimmy kimmel-ish?

so before this friday, for $15 shall i buy seasons 2 or 3? which is better season? TO HELL W/ BABE RUTH, brutally bad eh?

not buying both

Added: Tuesday 30 August 2011 12:47:25 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Just watched "Paniolo" from season 3 last night. Not sure if anyone noticed this but when Frank Kuakua (Frank Silvera) visits his daughter's house and as he walks into the house you can hear Five-0 playing on the TV in the house. You hear gunshots, police sirens, the obligatory screeching tires - all accompanied by Don Ray's piece of stock Five-0 music. In fact I believe it's the teaser piece from "Savage Sunday" (which Ray scored) that you hear there. I just thought it was a funny way to break the 4th wall I guess - we're watching Five-0 while Frank's daughter is also watching Five-0. :D

Added: Tuesday 30 August 2011 09:38:00 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: hurricane alley

Yeah, KD is it on Sept 19th? I haven't seen any promos yet on CBS, but then, I don't watch that station, other than 5-0. I can't wait to see if the writers know their "stuff" and prove that McG didn't do the dirty deed within 60 seconds after it starts. I know how....

Added: Tuesday 30 August 2011 09:30:01 MST


Submitted by: KD MCG-
From: the one and only KD MCG is back

Well...well well so the new show returns soon. Hmmm...

:p

Added: Monday 29 August 2011 19:20:47 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

oh yeah

season 4: "Aloha! Aloha suckers!" Clasic!

Added: Monday 29 August 2011 15:01:36 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

fans : Best Buy has 5-0 seasons 1 to 4 for $17.99! i got season 4 and the price was $14.99! until this friday, 1 thru 4 will be on sale for $14.99! doesn't look like the other seasons are below $20. i only saw 1-4. so later this week, i'll get 2 or 3, i already have season 1. so those who don't have those sets, Best Buy got em.

Added: Monday 29 August 2011 13:32:54 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Hey "Tsunami" is my favorite season 10 episode and I haven't seen that one in ages. This weekend seems like a good time to check it out - especially here in Philly on the east coast. ;) Will need to watch the crappy version on Netflix I guess.

Added: Friday 26 August 2011 14:14:19 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

those in NYC, NJ and east coast, stay safe with Hurricane Irene coming! talk more soon! i will see more season 10 this weekend, but i don't think i'll watch "tsunami"

'deadly doubles' is next

Added: Friday 26 August 2011 13:39:22 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: here comes Irene....canoeing anyone?

"But only a few years later (1977 and onwards) the public was wallowing in silly nonsense like STAR WARS - basically a kids story which for some unexplained reason was embraced by the general public as if it were the second coming."

And the wallowing continues to this day....Lord of Rings, Harry Potter, etc. But, out of that list of sorry 70s tv excursions I do have to exclude Dukes of Hazzard BECAUSE they (producers, network) did not for one moment to pretend that Dukes was good tv....it was slapstick and assinine and everyone knew it and accepted it for what it was. I watched Dukes and laughed like crazy. But Charlie's Angels, Love Boat, Fantasy Island, uugghh, do I need to continue? :!mad: These shows ushered in the lost decade of the 80s. I just regret that 5-0 also suffered in quality during those late 70s seasons. Gimme seasons 1-8 and that suffices...

Added: Friday 26 August 2011 09:27:24 MST


Submitted by: alpha128
From: the IMDb

Mike,

Regarding your questions about #140, "Murder with a Golden Touch"

Q. Where does Kayata get the photos of his son-in-law having an affair? When Kayata talks to McGarrett, he says he was expecting a report from Mott (who has been killed), but he had not received it yet.

A. Before Kayata shows the photos to his daughter, he tells her he lied to McGarrett about not receiving any reports from Mott, to spare her feelings.

Q. Why does Quillan tell Fleming to make sure the boxes containing the gold get a "good soaking," when they are going to be dumped in the water anyway?

A. Only one box was dumped in the water, "the convincer". The other boxes were merely dampened to make it look like they had been submerged in the ocean. But other than that briefing soaking, the were transferred directly from the deck of one boat to the other.

Added: Thursday 25 August 2011 21:53:39 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Steven, I love THE MECHANIC - probably my favorite Charles Bronson film! The recent remake with Jason Statham can't hold a candle to the original. In fact no remake can.

But I'm surprised that you're lumping ROCKY with STAR WARS. I think ROCKY is in the same tradition as those early 70s films. It's the ultimate underdog story. No special FX nonsense - just pure heart! Now I'd be lying if I said that I'm a ROCKY fan because I tend to think that the whole franchise is pretty overrated. But I just don't see how ROCKY = STAR WARS. Unless you're talking about the 80s ROCKYs - with Mr. T and Dolph Lundgren and just basic 80s cheese. It's true that it was a money-machine at that point. But most consider the first ROCKY film to be a prime example of classic 70s cinema. Again, I don't particularly agree but I do think the film had a lot of heart. And Stallone in general I always thought was fairly underrated as an actor. No one could play underdog like him. But anyway... I digressed.

Added: Thursday 25 August 2011 16:26:20 MST


Submitted by: Steven
From: Miami

RE: Jack's leisure suits, In "Booking Hawaii Five-O", Karen Rhodes points to the new costume designers, Jim Kessler and Bruce Walkup, who replaced longtime costume designer Richard Egan as the primary reason for Jack's embracing the leisure suit. Egan had been with Five-O since S1 but once he was gone, the more flamboyant and dated aspects of McG's wardrobe came in. However, I wonder if Marie Lord pushed for those plantation hats and long-sleeved floral shirts in the years prior, making Jack look like a pack of Fruit Stripe gum.

Ringfire: I agree with you completely! The early 1970s had that late '60s overlap and plenty of the social upheaval whereas the mid-to-late '70s was just one big coke spoon with a Disco soundtrack. My interest in pop culture declines dramatically after 1975 and those Aaron Spelling/Disco/"Jiggle TV" programs have a lot to do with it. Because of the cultural impact of tripe like Rocky, Saturday Night Fever, and Star Wars--and of course Disco--the entire decade gets lumped in with its latter half, but the early '70s were so much different and so much more interesting (at least to me).

I'll take The Mechanic, Serpico, and Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia over Rocky and Star Wars any day!

Added: Thursday 25 August 2011 12:52:31 MST


Submitted by: WIll
From: Omaha

Bill K:

Lord being cast that late in the day could have given him significant leverage when making a deal. But who knows?

I remember reading an interview with Rose Freeman in which she mentioned that CBS never explained their last-second decision to drop Robert Brown as McGarrett; they just told Freeman to get someone else. I've always wondered about that, but we'll never know (unless Robert Brown can explain. As far as I know, he's still around).

Added: Thursday 25 August 2011 11:29:49 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Regarding those leisure suits -- I think it was just the sign of the times. It was the late 70s and you had light-hearted fluff like THE LOVE BOAT, HART TO HART, CHARLIE'S ANGELS, DUKES OF HAZZARD invading the airwaves. Sharp suits were on the way out. Casual attire was in. You have to remember how much the late 70s changed from the early 70s. It was as if 2 or 3 decades had passed - that's how huge the change appeared. In the early-to-mid 70s you had some of the most ground-breaking films in cinema history being made (everything from GODFATHER to CHINATOWN). But only a few years later (1977 and onwards) the public was wallowing in silly nonsense like STAR WARS - basically a kids story which for some unexplained reason was embraced by the general public as if it were the second coming. Things were never quite the same after that. And so I believe this change was reflected in everything - including FIVE-0.

Added: Thursday 25 August 2011 09:51:35 MST


Submitted by: Bill K.
From: Michigan

re: Jack Lord as partner.

Jack Lord was among those who spread that idea. I remember a 1979 New York Times article by Robert Turnbull about Five-O going into production with its 12th season. From what I recall (haven't seen this online), Lord is quoted as describing Leonard Freeman as his partner.

Years later, at the 1996 convention in Los Angeles, Rose Freeman said JL wasn't cast until five days before the pilot started shooting (I think hired on a Wednesday, shooting started the following Monday).

Added: Wednesday 24 August 2011 18:05:18 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

"I will not have you bringing hoods into Honolulu and turn this place into a shooting gallery!" What episode was that?

This was from the two-part episode, "Number One With A Bullet". This was the story with all of the disco music from the Bee Gees.

I've often wondered how the leisure suits in seasons in eleven and twelve came about as well. My guess was that the producers (and or CBS) were trying to put a new spin on the well worn program or maybe the actors lobbied for it given Hawaii's very warm climate. While I thought that the suits and ties should have remained, it was always unrealistic given Hawaii's very warm climate.

Added: Wednesday 24 August 2011 16:17:04 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

I've often wondered whose idea was it to have Lord go casual in the last 2 seasons? black, blue leisure suits when catching baddies. 18 clips in that season 11 trailer. "i will not have you bringing hoods into Honolulu and turn this place into a shooting gallery!" what episode was that?

Added: Wednesday 24 August 2011 13:50:36 MST


Submitted by: Big H
From: A rose by any other name....

To Melanie: Actually, Steven in Miami has hit upon something. The new 5-0 seems to me like something surreal, like that "parallel-universe" episode from the original Star Trek series....like Captain Kirk with that goatee. It is called 5-0, has the kick-ass 5-0 opening theme, and copied the 5-0 character names, but that is about where it ends for me. I am able to enjoy the show by actually saying to myself...."it's not really 5-0....it's something else". After you make that mental transformation in your mind, you might be able to enjoy the show, as I do. Shifting the new 5-0 characters into a new paradigm helps me to accept the new characters w/o comparing them to the originals. I am really enjoying AoL's character now that I don't make those comparisons to JL's McG.

Added: Wednesday 24 August 2011 09:42:49 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"I think that you should keep the name of the show as it is: "Hawaii Five-0," but rename these mavericks who are attempting to be McGarrett and Danno."

I don't see a point in even calling the show HAWAII FIVE-0. If we don't care about the characters' names then why care what the show is called? To me it never did have the spirit of the original anyway so there was no point in even calling the show FIVE-0. Could have simply been called something like DANGER: HAWAII. Didn't even need to use the Five-0 theme in the opening since that theme is never actually heard during the actual episodes - just some random droning.

Added: Wednesday 24 August 2011 10:02:17 MST


Submitted by: Steven
From: Miami

"I think that you should keep the name of the show as it is: "Hawaii Five-0," but rename these mavericks who are attempting to be McGarrett and Danno."

May I suggest calling them "Coy" and "Vance"? :D

Added: Wednesday 24 August 2011 07:12:07 MST


Submitted by: Melanie
From: Hawii

I'm sorry. The writers have sabotaged the show by reinventing the original characters. They have replaced the elegance of the original characters with sweating slobs who do not shave their faces or dress nicely, and have attitude problems. It is unappealing to watch Danno verbally challenge McGarrett all the time, as McGarrett is Danno's boss. I think that you should keep the name of the show as it is: "Hawaii Five-0," but rename these mavericks who are attempting to be McGarrett and Danno. Please don't insult the memory of the original cast who made Hawaii Five-0 the success that it was decades ago.

Added: Wednesday 24 August 2011 02:40:38 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

"The other woman in the picture is "Joanne" ... I don't recognize her, does anyone else?"

Joanne is William Smith's wife.

Added: Tuesday 23 August 2011 18:31:54 MST


Submitted by: Steven
From: Miami-Hopefully Dodging Hurricane Irene

Mr. Mike Wrote: "Having not seen Lion in the Streets for several years, I was actually quite impressed by William Smith's performance in this show, along with those of other guest stars like Ross Martin, Barbara Luna, Paul Smith, and Harry Guardino."

It's my all-time favorite episode of Hawaii Five-O, having recently surpassed S2's "A Thousand Pardons...You're Dead!"

Sharon Farrell still looks great, and William "Kimo" Smith will always be a bad ass.

Added: Tuesday 23 August 2011 16:28:40 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Here is the picture of Sharon Farrell with William Smith taken at the comics convention August 21st. The other woman in the picture is "Joanne" ... I don't recognize her, does anyone else?



I have asked Farrell about what happened to her in the 12th season. (You can see a listing of the shows in broadcast and production order here: http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/season12.pdf) But she is being evasive. I think she is saving this information for her memoirs, which she tells me are currently in progress. There will be one chapter on Hawaii Five-O and another just on Jack Lord!

I got a dub of some Netflix shows from the beginning of the 12th season recently, by the way, and the color is much improved over my old TV dubs. Hopefully when and if the shows are released on DVD they will have the same quality (at least with the picture). Having not seen Lion in the Streets for several years, I was actually quite impressed by William Smith's performance in this show, along with those of other guest stars like Ross Martin, Barbara Luna, Paul Smith, and Harry Guardino.

Added: Tuesday 23 August 2011 15:31:34 MST


Submitted by: Steve D
From: Fairfax VA

Good to see that Sharon Farrell still has an interest in 5-0. She did an outstanding job in her guest appearances from 1976-78 before becoming a regular, plus did a good job in the story that introduced her. Unfortunately, after that her lines suffered from the Kono syndrome ("yes boss", "no boss") where she mainly said "hi steve" or "I'll get right on it". Maybe if she reads this board she can elaborate on why she was not in the second half of season 12.

Added: Tuesday 23 August 2011 14:24:46 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Both Sharon Farrell and William Smith were at the Los Angeles Comic Book and Science Fiction Convention two days ago.

http://comicbookscifi.com/index.html

Farrell sent me a picture of herself and Smith, which I will post later.

Added: Tuesday 23 August 2011 10:17:02 MST


Submitted by: Steven
From: Miami

"Know of anyone who says they are Hawaiian at heart? or says the word "aloha" often? who happens to have with no connection to the land that brought us Hawaii 5-0? read this: http://bit.ly/n6vsgT "

Kimo, you're so...Cal Bellini. Lead the revolution already, willya? :D

Added: Tuesday 23 August 2011 05:51:07 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: heah. wot. baddah you?!

Know of anyone who says they are Hawaiian at heart? or says the word "aloha" often? who happens to have with no connection to the land that brought us Hawaii 5-0? read this: http://bit.ly/n6vsgT

Added: Monday 22 August 2011 23:11:11 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

Yes, Vrinda, Jack Lord forgetting that he already wrote me a thank you letter I'm sure was nothing more than simply not keeping a record of it. I think those are the words he used to explain it actually. I just found the timing somewhat interesting. Geez, I'm getting the urge to actually get up in my attic and find them now.

Added: Monday 22 August 2011 14:59:04 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: New Jersey

1. Thanks for the link, Mike.

2. Barabara, that is a beautiful story. Thanks for sharing it. However, just because he forgot if he sent you a thank-you note before, that isn't a possibility that he had Alzheimer's. A person in the starting stages of Alzheimer's wouldn't forget if they sent a thank-you note, they'd have forgotten what a thank-you note is, or that you even sent anything to them. Plus, Alzheimer's usually sets in about ten years before the person dies. Jack died 18 years after Hawaii Five-O ended. That's a long time to be stricken with it. I have a friend who has letters Jack wrote to people, even a catalogue and some letters to and from a art gallery Jack considered buying in 1985. All these correspondences (some of which I have read) show that Jack was still in his right mind, even then.

3. About the change in character: There are still a lot to wonder about that, because if Jack had the ability to make his character more of a philosopher, why didn't he also have the ability to revise the scripts from the later seasons so they were more interesting? He, of all people, would know how important a good storyline is. I think maybe CBS was insisting on some of this.

Added: Monday 22 August 2011 10:12:15 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"He was writing his lines on everything ... even foreheads!" -- :D That's both bizarre and hilarious at the same time. Whoah, take it easy, Jack. Not sure how keen I would be on the idea of someone writing their lines on my forehead. It would seem to go above and beyond my job requirements. I mean maybe some 2-bit actor struggling for any gig he could get might be okay with it. But imagine a "special guest star" like Robert Reed or Ross Martin or Jayne Meadows (as mentioned) having Jack scribble lines all over their foreheads. :D Let's just say it would be an experience they would never forget.

Added: Monday 22 August 2011 09:24:16 MST


Submitted by: Big City Gal
From: NYC

Wow...another big loss in the H5O, and TV world in general. There's a really in depth obit in the LA Times which outlines his stellar career. I had no idea he directed the amount of TV he did or that he also helped created the opening of the Mary Tyler Moore show.

LA Times Obit - lat.ms/qSGAke

Added: Monday 22 August 2011 08:29:10 MST


Submitted by: catbirdcatnyc
From: New York City

The guy that created the wave curl opening sequence has died! http://welovesoa.ps/RezaBadiyi

Added: Monday 22 August 2011 09:38:57 MST


Submitted by: Will
From: Omaha

Re: Lord's ownership interest

That's the first I've heard that he didn't have a piece of the show. That's interesting, if accurate, because there are lots of stories to the effect that he was, in fact, a partner in Five-O (Eddie Sherman's tale about Lord telling CBS - erroneously, as it happens - that Leonard Freeman had made an under-the-table deal for some shares in the show's newly-built soundstage facility really only makes sense if Lord was a partner and concerned about one of the other partners doing some ex parte double dealing.). And remember, it was Lord's demand of a 50 percent stake in Star Trek that (among other things)kept him from becoming Captain Kirk (according to William Shatner).

However, I have also heard stories that while he did have an interest initially, his share was bought by CBS some time around the tenth season. So both points of view could be right.

Added: Monday 22 August 2011 08:16:04 MST


Submitted by: Rainbow Warrior
From: New York, NY

Barbara,

What a wonderful story. Thank you for sharing that. Really heartwarming and just plain nice to hear. ;)

Added: Monday 22 August 2011 07:36:09 MST


Submitted by: DJ
From: North Liberty, IA

Sad to hear of the passing of Reza Badiyi. That iconic opening of H50 set the standard.

Added: Monday 22 August 2011 06:48:52 MST


Submitted by: Steven
From: Miami

"...how people get from that to Jack was the heart and soul and financial protector and everything from scriptwriter to camera operator to gopher to casting director to post-production supervisor is beyond me!"

To paraphrase Woody Allen in ANNIE HALL: "I'd leave out the gopher."

Added: Monday 22 August 2011 02:41:03 MST


Submitted by: Kimoi
From: the ahupua'a of Ka'ohao

Re: "...after all, land ownership goes all the way back to the days of Hawaiian royalty...." Not really. Land ownership was initiated by the haole. The concept of owning land did not exist in Hawaii until the haole arrived. Ali'i and the maka'ainana, commoners, were all stewards of the land and respected it, as well as the waters and every living thing on it and in it. (Concepts that conversely are and were unknown to haole) Before white contact there was no concept of land ownership. 1848 saw the introduction of private property ownership. This act disenfranchised Kanaka Maoli, placing them in the dire circumstance of being landless in their homeland. "Strangers in our own Land," veritably. So, "going all the way back to the days of Hawaiian royalty...." means to visit the far distant past for Hawaii is believed to be initially populated about A.D. 400. And of course, from 400 anno Domini to 1848 there most emphatically was an ali'i system in place here, in some form or another. This certainly makes the quote mind boggling nonsense. Equating land ownership to "the days of Hawaiian royalty (at least 1,400 years)". Wow. Simply, wow.
"No one questions the ali`i (royalty)." that kind of affrontive combative stance is never part of our mindset. Who would voice that?!
"It wasn't meant to be patronizing, only informative and hopefully helpful to anyone" uuuu huh. Anyway, hope this wasn't heavyhanded thread drift from H50. I did tie in an early ep title. Also any TRUE informative material on Hawai'i can be of interest and helpful to those that love a Hawai'i based show..

Added: Monday 22 August 2011 01:58:34 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

Very interesting that Sharon Farrell talks about him having difficulty remembering at that time. I think I shared with you a while back that I received two handwritten letters from Jack Lord in the spring and summer or 1980. Time frame was the end of Season 12. I had sent him a letter and a few items from my hometown at the beginning of that year and surprisingly he sent a handwritten thank-you letter back to me. It wasn't just a "thanks for the gift" note. It was a little lengthy, detailed and very sweet and warm. Even more surprising was that a few months later I got another letter from him apologizing for not sending a note thanking me for the items. And he included some bright orange stickers to put on my luggage. He said that since he sends his own letters (handwritten), it is sometimes hard to remember who he thanked. That was completely understandable and made perfect sense to me at the time. After hearing many things since then about his forgetfulness and possible Alzheimers Disease, it makes even more sense. I know that I kept the letters but I'm sure they are stored somewhere up in my attic. Someday I might actually get up there and look for them.

Added: Sunday 21 August 2011 23:25:45 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Here is another interesting comment I got recently, from Sharon Farrell herself:

Jack Lord was making a deal with CBS that William Smith and I carry on Hawaii Five-0 as a team and he was going on to do a new series for himself playing the skipper of a ship [a reference to M Station Hawaii?]. That was the only reason William and I did the show, it was part of the deal. But Jack got really sick. He couldn't memorize his lines and he got really freaked out and started taking it out on everyone, i.e., changing everyone’s lines so we would be having a hard time too. He was writing his lines on everything ... even foreheads! Jane Meadows played a psychic and he had her in tears changing her dialogue so much at the last minute ... she was calling her husband, Steve Allen every night.

Added: Sunday 21 August 2011 20:19:39 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: I wonder

Re: Kimo's statement, "But thank you anyway for the patronizing tone." - - -

It wasn't meant to be patronizing, only informative and hopefully helpful to anyone (like me) who would love to think we could move to Hawai`i for $50,000. It just ain't gonna happen, no matter how wishfully I/we might think. So many mainlanders went to Hawai`i with hope in their hearts and now are camped out around the islands, because they couldn't put the pieces together after they got there and can't afford the flight home. Best advice: Do your research before you go. Then, do it again and again before you pack your bags. Unless you're well financed, the dream could become a nightmare, despite your best efforts.

Added: Sunday 21 August 2011 19:05:22 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Speaking of Jack Lord in "later years," there seems to be some kind of myth that Lord had an "interest" in the show, other than starring and directing. I have often wondered if this was true ... and got an e-mail from someone who was connected with the show a while ago. This person had some interesting things to say:

Some people seem to think that TV shows are paid for out of the star's pocket or something. Don't they realize that CBS financed the damned thing? And besides which, in all the negotiations and renegotiations and court cases and stuff that's gone on the last few years over who owns the rights to what, have we ever seen one word of mention that anybody had to deal with Marie or Jack's estate or anything even close to that? Hell, no, because he DIDN'T HAVE AN OWNERSHIP ROLE IN THE SHOW. Yes, he had a lot of latitude and he was such a PITA that CBS pretty much just let him run rampant out there in the Hawaiian boondocks because that was easier than trying to rein him in and as long as the show was earning decent ratings they didn't really give a rat's ass; but gawdamighty, how people get from that to Jack was the heart and soul and financial protector and everything from scriptwriter to camera operator to gopher to casting director to post-production supervisor is beyond me! I know Jack stuck his nose in all over the place and made most people's lives miserable, but HE DIDN'T OWN ANY PART OF THE SHOW and he was nobody's boss!!!

Added: Sunday 21 August 2011 20:09:25 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

"Maybe the change in McGarrett happened because the writers wanted Steve to develop? ...Maybe the producers wanted to show that as the character was getting older, he was also getting wiser and not having to get angry all the time."

After the death of Leonard Freeman during season six, I believe the only person in charge of the character development of "Steve McGarrett" was Jack Lord.

Added: Sunday 21 August 2011 19:04:07 MST


Submitted by: Vrinda
From: New Jersey

Good points, Ringfire and L.B.

Maybe the change in McGarrett happened because the writers wanted Steve to develop? If remained the same wired up person he was in Season 1 going into Season 9, the audience might have found him predictable. Maybe the producers wanted to show that as the character was getting older, he was also getting wiser and not having to get angry all the time.

Also, does anyone know if there is a website where you can look up ratings for TV shows from past decades? I found one for TV scehdules going back to 1946, but nothing for ratings.

Mr. Mike comments: http://www.classictvhits.com/tvratings/

Added: Sunday 21 August 2011 19:04:07 MST


Submitted by: Kimoi
From: Moku Nui

"Don't believe for an instant that these units are bargains"
buying an apartment for 50k and flipping it for 150k in some people's minds is a bargain and a deal made.
"You can read up on the history of Hawaiian land ownership and figure it out very easily. " one who lives Hawai'i need not read up on that to "figure it out very easily". But thank you anyway for the patronizing tone.

Added: Sunday 21 August 2011 12:25:00 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Right!

Someone commented about too many of the later-season episodes dealing in the crimes of the very rich. That is true, but we complained some time back about the early-season episodes seeming to focus on the crimes of the young Hawaiians. All in all, both were necessary, if any balance was to be achieved. In the final analysis, each season featured crimes at both ends of the economic spectrum and in the middle, too. Crimes also were committed by the hippies and the academics. Not even the tourists escaped scrutiny, especially not if we include criminals who came masquerading as tourists.

Added: Sunday 21 August 2011 09:11:36 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: I dunno.

Re: Units being cheap at the Kahala Beach Apartments... Not really. On the surface (selling price), they can be, but, then, the extra fees kick in. The monthly maintenance fee runs about $1,000 a month. And, then, there is the dreaded land lease, which runs about $5,000 a month.

The land lease was raised what one realtor called "astronomically" in about 2006 (less than a year after Marie died). Then, the problems began. People who had lived there for the past 40 years, since the complex was built, were now elderly and could not afford the steep increase in the land lease.

The homeowners association sued the landowner, who shall remain nameless. You can read up on the history of Hawaiian land ownership and figure it out very easily. Anyway, they lost the lawsuit; after all, land ownership goes all the way back to the days of Hawaiian royalty. No one questions the ali`i (royalty).

The bottom fell out of the prices of the units, not only because all this was going on, but also because the general real estate market was declining at the same time. As a result, one could find those cheap units. BUT there was another problem:

The remaining years on the lease was down to 20 years, and lending institutions generally will not finance property for longer than the remaining years in a land lease. So, that made it even more difficult to sell the units.

Don't believe for an instant that these units are bargains. The hidden fees are deadly, and the unit owner is at the mercy of the landowner. Jack and Marie's unit was originally listed for $2 million; however, it sold in March 2008 for only $800,000.

Added: Saturday 20 August 2011 19:17:58 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

let's hope and pray that Bieber does NOT guest star for real in 5-0 like his disasterous turn in CSI!

:!mad:

Added: Saturday 20 August 2011 14:39:37 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The C/H/Q writing team breaks their months of silence with a new story for "next season":

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/2010-log2.htm#wikiwiki

Added: Saturday 20 August 2011 11:22:03 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Everyone should be subservient to The Lord! :!cool: "What'ya got Chin?"

Added: Friday 19 August 2011 19:12:26 MST


Submitted by: Kimoi
From: surfing with nadja.

yes, Uncle Chin Ho was the impertinent one, wasn't he. Every ep deriding Steveo's efforts and sarcastically advising him to avoid ending up in a cement eggroll, all the while never following orders nor carrying out any task big or small the exasperated McGarrett commanded. Chin just didn't know who big white bossman was. He shoulda been a stepnfetchit yes, massah like Kono was, who incidentally loved that subservient role!

Added: Friday 19 August 2011 16:58:02 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

Steven,

I'll take a shot at your inquiry regarding Chin Ho's death on Hawaii Five-O's tenth season.

The character deaths that you referenced on M*A*S*H and Good Times both happened within the first two to three years of those series' respective runs if I am not mistaken. Viewer interest is generally higher that early on in a series. Chin Ho's death happened in the tenth season finale. Five-O's ratings had been steadily dropping for several years prior to 1978 when this episode aired before the bottom fell out in seasons eleven and twelve. Furthermore, Chin's character was not as significant to Five-O as those of Henry Blake and James Evans were to their respective series. While I hardly ever watched M*A*S*H, Good Times was never the same series once John Amos left that show. Yes, Chin's character was important to the series, but Five-O would not have been any better at all in season eleven had he remained with the cast. If you watch season ten's episodes carefully, Chin was either not in many of them or not featured that prominently. This may be why he left the series in the first place.

Added: Friday 19 August 2011 16:43:44 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

Kimo said: "...doing some work at the building Marie and Jack Lord lived in. The structure, interior and decor are all pure 60's. Like a scene from Our Man Flint. can just imagine Jack and Marie entertaining there in that cool retro beach unit... (Associates bought it dirt cheap! Units are reasonable there.)"

How cool is that. I know it's been a long time but have you talked with anyone who knew them? I can almost picture what that whole 60's look would be like. Have fun.

Added: Friday 19 August 2011 13:26:41 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

""Sit down and shut up!" to Chin Ho." - Damn straight!! Chin needs to know who's BOSS. Top Cop Steve-0 is in town! :!cool: And he only takes orders from you-know-who... and even they have trouble with him occasionally. Yes, I prefer "unhinged Steve" of season 1 to moralizing "philosopher Steve" of later seasons - who helps wealthy socialites recover their lost dogs. Or wild wardrobe Steve with straw hats. Give me clean-cut naval commander McGarrett any old day.

Added: Friday 19 August 2011 13:05:42 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

"I couldn't help but notice the mild disdain McGarrett and Doc Bergman have for one another; it's wonderfully entertaining." ...there really is a hostile undertone to their exchanges. It's fantastic. Doc starts riffing in hyper-technical medical jargon, McG cuts him off...

McG: "Doc, please! In English?"
Doc: "Well, it's in the book!"

At times it's so subtle you wonder if something isn't really going on between the two of them.

Added: Friday 19 August 2011 12:46:35 MST


Submitted by: Steven
From: Miami

I'll take the wise, pontificating sage of seasons seven and on over the tightly-wound Robert Ryanesque McGarrett of S1, though I've watched that first season more than all the others combined--it's a brilliant debut year--I do prefer McGarrett the borderline eccentric with his wheat germ, bright orange jogging suits, and plantation hats over the screaming ink blotter defacer any day.

BTW, when watching some Five-O recently, I couldn't help but notice the mild disdain McGarrett and Doc Bergman have for one another; it's wonderfully entertaining. In fact, their rapport is brilliant despite the obvious distaste the characters have for one another--at least I hope it was just acting.

Added: Friday 19 August 2011 11:47:18 MST


Submitted by: Kimoi
From: Moku Nui

:"I think most folks love the edgy, hot-under-the-collar Jack of the first season" That was something we here found very unrealistic and inappropriate, was his commanding the staff. "Sit down and shut up!" to Chin Ho. He would get no co-operation he did that. Some new yawk pushy arrogant haole did that here, he would not last long. Like in the new show, Steve and Danno first meet Shave Ice, Ateve's all haole aggro, no ho'omalimali. With an expression like he was weaned on a pickle. Big braddah tells him, "YOU haole I going charge twice as much."

Added: Friday 19 August 2011 11:20:13 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"I guess the way I would put it is that he was a little too intense the first season" -- And I totally love it!!! And if you ask me the show hits its stride with season 1, episode 1 - "Full Fathom Five", baby! I'm seriously considering placing season 1 as my favorite season. For the longest time it was season 5. But I just love the freshness and 60s vibe of the first season. Faaar oout!!!

Added: Friday 19 August 2011 08:59:37 MST


Submitted by: Brad Lloyd
From: Tulsa, Oklahoma

Wonder if they could do a crossover with C.S.I. !?

Added: Friday 19 August 2011 04:15:18 MST


Submitted by: Steven
From: Miami

When TV Characters Die Dept:

1975- Henry Blake (M*A*S*H): A nation was shocked and saddened.

1976- James Evans (Good Times): A nation was shocked and saddened.

1978- Chin Ho Kelly (Hawaii Five-O): ???

Here's a question directed at Five-O "old timers":

Just what were viewers' reactions to Chin Ho's death at that time? I was seven in 1978 and didn't watch Five-O, but through the hindsight of thirty years I get the impression that it just didn't matter. That's quite a big deal considering that Chin had been a member of Five-O for ten years.

Added: Friday 19 August 2011 03:41:03 MST


Submitted by: Kimo
From: Kahala at the moment

...doing some work at the building Marie and Jack Lord lived in. The structure, interior and decor are all pure 60's. Like a scene from Our Man Flint. can just imagine Jack and Marie entertaining there in that cool retro beach unit... (Associates bought it dirt cheap! Units are reasonable there.)

Added: Friday 19 August 2011 01:49:14 MST


Submitted by: Dan
From: South Brunswick, NJ

It would be kind of storage it the original NCIS ever did a cross over with Hawaii Five-0 one episode had a running gag with Tony DiNozzo and Hawaii Five-O References.

Added: Thursday 18 August 2011 20:15:32 MST


Submitted by: Joe cooley
From: Oklahoma City

Did Marie Lord ever appear on any of the Hawaii Five-0 episodes?

Added: Thursday 18 August 2011 17:35:34 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

NCIS: LA to do a crossover with Hawaii Five 0

http://bit.ly/oEQwiv

Added: Thursday 18 August 2011 18:20:17 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

Ringfire,

I believe the series really hit its' stride in the third season, but was great all the way through the ninth season. I preferred the McGarrett of those seasons to the first season, but yes, I would take the first season McG over the leisure suit version of the last couple of years of the series. I guess the way I would put it is that he was a little too intense the first season, but a little too calm during the last two or three seasons. I thought he was just right during the seasons in between that. Of course, the scripts in later seasons were not as good either, which probably contributed some to this.

Added: Thursday 18 August 2011 16:31:37 MST


Submitted by: Big City Gal
From: NYC

The Sunset on the Beach premiere will be September 10 this year.

Officer 808's blog has a link to a Hawaiian Travel site that is offering packages. See his post here - http://bit.ly/po6MyZ.

There's also a SOTB group on Facebook.

I think most of the seating is first come first serve unless you do one of the fancy travel packages through a travel agent. I'm sure there is info on the Star-Advertiser site as well.

Added: Thursday 18 August 2011 14:22:24 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

+ 1 on that... I'll take McG with the short fuse and skinny tie, over the super ego philosopher and black leisure suit any day.

Added: Thursday 18 August 2011 13:12:53 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

Does anyone have details on the "Sunset on the Beach" next month? I just found out that I will be in Hawaii from Sept 17 to 25 with possibility of going earlier. Seemed to me that the SOTB is a week earlier than the Season 2 premiere on the 19th. Anyone have details on the date and how to get tickets if they are even still available? Thanks a bunch.

Added: Thursday 18 August 2011 12:07:45 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"there was an edginess to Jack Lord that I didn't like in the original series' first season" -- I'm not sure I understand this part, LB. You prefer the more mellow Lord in the later seasons? I think most folks love the edgy, hot-under-the-collar Jack of the first season. I just love the fresh raw energy he possesses there! He really flies off the handle in quite a few spots in that first season - like when he lunges at Nehemiah Persoff in "Deathwatch" or when he bursts into the office of lawyer Paul Richards and scribbles all over his desk in "Twenty-Four Karat Kill". Or when he yells at hospital staff to stay out of his way as he tries to rush Yaphet Kotto to rescue Danno in "King of the Hill". Great energetic stuff from Lord that we would never quite see again after that first season. After that he seemed to have slipped into this zen-like wise old sage persona.

Added: Thursday 18 August 2011 10:25:24 MST


Submitted by: Brad Lloyd
From: Tulsa, Oklahoma

What happened to the Lori character ? About halfway through season 12 she simply disappeared !

Added: Wednesday 17 August 2011 19:42:01 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

While Jerome Coopersmith probably wrote more Five-O episodes than any other writer (or close), his work could be uneven. For every "Nine Dragons" or McGarrett Is Missing", there was a "Chain Of Events" or "Here Today, Gone Tonight" to match. Though he wrote fewer episodes, I would say that John D.F. Black would be my favorite writer for the original series. Among others, his stories include "Yesterday Died..", "The Box", "And They Painted Daisies On His Coffin", "And I Want Some Candy And A Gun That Shoots", "The Jinn Who Clears The Way", and "Rest In Peace, Somebody". There was not a weak episode among that group. For the record, Herman Groves wrote my favorite episode, "Elegy In A Rain Forest".

As for the new Five-O's success mentioned earlier, I hope that they make AOL's McGarrett character stronger during the second season. There were several stories in which he seemed to be overshadowed by members of his own team and ultimately by the villains. There is room for development, however, as there was an edginess to Jack Lord that I didn't like in the original series' first season. Lord went on to perfect that role, and you always knew who was in charge. The writers and AOL will have to navigate this carefully, though, since authority figures generally don't go over as well in this era.

Added: Wednesday 17 August 2011 18:18:03 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

"This infamous word has been bleeped over with a loud tone, and I can't believe that this was the case with the original broadcast since in the anything goes world of the 70s the n-word was appearing with greater frequency on certain programs"

The "anything goes world of the 70's" reminded me, about ten years ago when my kids were little we had a VHS tape of the original 1976 BAD NEWS BEARS... it's a virtual celebration of political in-correctness. (It was rated PG) I remember thinking, I can't believe this is considered a kids movie!

Added: Wednesday 17 August 2011 09:56:24 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

You're absolutely right, Big H. I've seen LIVE AND LET DIE countless times and Kotto seems particularly short in that one. But then I checked him out in MIDNIGHT RUN (with DeNiro and Charles Grodin) and he towers over everybody in that film. I checked his height on IMDB and it makes sense - he is 6'4'' which is quite tall. But for some odd reason he looks much shorter than Roger Moore in LALD - and Rog is only 6'1''. Absolutely baffling!

Added: Wednesday 17 August 2011 10:12:38 MST


Submitted by: Stephen
From: Burt ny

Amazon prime now has a one month free trail and hawaii five-o is now avaiable. all seasons in hd. if you sign up and don't cancel a years membership is $79.

Added: Wednesday 17 August 2011 10:07:43 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

According to IMDB, Kotto is 6'4", whereas Roger Moore is only 6'1".

Added: Wednesday 17 August 2011 09:58:59 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: anywhere....nowhere

AJ brought up an excellent point.....to the censors, it matters as to WHO (i.e, what race) utters the 'n' word....

Speaking of Yaphet Kotto, here is something very puzzling to me. In the Bond vehicle, "Live and Let Die" (he plays Bond's nemesis Kananga), he seems dwarfed by Roger Moore's height, but during his run in Homicide:Life on the Streets, he appears to tower over all of his detectives. Anyone else notice this? It's hard to get a height comparison in "King of the Hill" because he and Danno are on the hospital floor most of the ep.....

Added: Wednesday 17 August 2011 09:51:57 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I have access to some information about Amazon.com sales of Five-O seasons relative to each other, and the sales figures for season 10 are dismal, thanks, I suspect, to the poor remastering job which was done.

Trust me, CBS/Paramount does not want to repeat this.

There is already the possible issue of music in two season 11 episodes changing (any comment on this so far is entirely speculative, you realize).

Added: Wednesday 17 August 2011 07:18:19 MST


Submitted by: Steven
From: Miami

Rick: My comment regarding possible censorship comes from an instance in the "Barnaby Jones" DVDs (a Paramount release), which someone pointed out at the Home Theater Forums:

"The [Barnaby Jones] transfers are indeed exceptional and I've been having fun with the set, HOWEVER, I have just come across a very bizarre edit on the first episode of Disc 2 (episode #4) in which the psycho college student originally used a certain word that began with the letter n as part of the expression the "n------in the woodpile." when he talks about framing a black man for a killing he was part of. This infamous word has been bleeped over with a loud tone, and I can't believe that this was the case with the original broadcast since in the anything goes world of the 70s the n-word was appearing with greater frequency on certain programs."

http://bit.ly/nOpxac

Added: Wednesday 17 August 2011 03:34:16 MST


Submitted by: Jeff H
From: Denver

Netflix's remastered version of Season 11's "A Distant Thunder" features every single bit of dialogue with zero edits whatsoever from what I can tell. I suspect that this will be the same case with the DVD next month, too.

Added: Tuesday 16 August 2011 23:16:34 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I seriously doubt anything will be censored in the neo-Nazi episode. Have you watched A Matter of Mutual Concern recently (written by Alvin Sapinsley, BTW)?

Added: Tuesday 16 August 2011 22:11:40 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

big H... I haven't seen any comments on HTF about CBS censoring dialogue of TV program DVD's. There are many complaints about music copyright issues... substitution of music, or deleting entire scenes because they contain copyrighted music, and plenty of remastering complaints, but nothing about outright censorship of dialogue.

Added: Tuesday 16 August 2011 20:22:56 MST


Submitted by: AJ
From: NY

:!angel:+:!swear:=:!devil:?

In "King of the Hill", it was Yaphet Kotto's character, a black man (ah, obviously), who used the word "nigger". In "A Distant Thunder", it was pasty-faced blue-eyed white boy Danny. That's probably more likely to give the censors a conniption.

Added: Tuesday 16 August 2011 18:30:46 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

I'm actually a big fan of "Here Today... Gone Tonight" - one of my favorites from season 5. Just love the twisty, labyrinthine plot there! No matter how far-fetched.

Added: Tuesday 16 August 2011 12:00:10 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: the one and only....

"If it can survive broadcast TV censorship why would it be edited from the DVD?"

Oh, Rick.....we're talking about CBS here!!!

Added: Tuesday 16 August 2011 10:52:52 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

If the "N" word was not cut from KING OF THE HILL why would you suspect it may be cut from A DISTANT THUNDER?

In southern California, Five-O is on channel KDOC at 1:00am. THUNDER aired a few weeks ago with the "N" word intact. If it can survive broadcast TV censorship why would it be edited from the DVD?

The "content tampering" in NUMBER ONE WITH A BULLET had nothing to do with censorship. It was due to music copyright issues.

Added: Tuesday 16 August 2011 07:49:20 MST


Submitted by: Steven
From: McGarrett's Latter-Season Soapbox

Anyone want to bet that Danno's use of the "N Word" (while undercover as a vile racist) in "A Distant Thunder" gets cut from the S11 DVD? Yaphet Kotto uttered the slur in S1's "King of the Hill" but it was left intact in that season's release.

Let's hope CBS/Paramount's content tampering practice begins and ends with the Disco music and not with the powerful and disturbing dialogue in "A Distant Thunder."

Added: Tuesday 16 August 2011 02:00:02 MST


Submitted by: Maxine
From: Brooklyn

Shock Cinema once ran a long interview with William Smith; I don't remember if he talked about 5-0, but it's possible. He came across as quite an interesting actor.

Added: Monday 15 August 2011 23:25:12 MST


Submitted by: K.B.
From: Victoria

In the latest issue of the magazine "Shock Cinema", there is an interview with actor James McEachin. During the interview, he tells a short story about how Jack Lord got him fired from a guest role on "Hawaii Five-O". (Apparently, Lord was a fierce non-smoker.)

Added: Monday 15 August 2011 18:24:17 MST


Submitted by: alpha128
From: the IMDb

"Interesting list, and it's most interesting that you included LEGACY OF TERROR ...a favorite of mine. It's an episode that is rarely mentioned. Guest star Mako is outstanding as he moves quickly from sympathetic victim to cold blooded criminal." - Rick

Thanks. I would say that Season 8 in general, and "Legacy of Terror" in particular, are underrated on the IMDb.

----------

"I don't know about 'highest number of quality episodes', but I've always been fond of Jerome Coopersmith's episodes" - big H

Coopersmith was the runner-up on my list with three episodes: "I'm a Family Crook - Don't Shoot!", "Retire in Sunny Hawaii... Forever", and "Nine Dragons". Although it didn't make my list, I'm also quite fond of "Steal Now - Pay Later".

I didn't mind "Here Today ... Gone Tonight". The Coopersmith script I hated was "Diary of Gun", for reasons outlined here: http://imdb.to/q12Y1U

Added: Monday 15 August 2011 18:19:07 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Episode is from the fifth season, #113, Here Today ... Gone Tonight -- a stinker!

Added: Monday 15 August 2011 11:06:51 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: right here and now....

I don't know about "highest number of quality episodes", but I've always been fond of Jerome Coopersmith's episodes, however, one caveat...I think he was the one that came up with the crazy plot whereby Danny gets into a chopper at dusk and takes the faux trip around the islands....a really incredulous ep that so far even 5-0 2.0 hasn't exceeded. Can anyone think of the name/season of the ep I have in mind?

Added: Monday 15 August 2011 09:29:19 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

Interesting list, and it's most interesting that you included LEGACY OF TERROR ...a favorite of mine. It's an episode that is rarely mentioned. Guest star Mako is outstanding as he moves quickly from sympathetic victim to cold blooded criminal.

VASHON I, II, III absolutely gives Sapinsley an edge for best writer but that might not be enough. And as much as VASHON is the standard for Five-O excellence, I don't think THE CASE AGAINST McGARRETT is anything special.

Added: Sunday 14 August 2011 22:52:53 MST


Submitted by: alpha128
From: the IMDb

"Which writer has the highest number of quality episodes to his credit. Is there a "Best Writer" for Five-O?" - Rick

Good question, Rick. I recently posted a list of my favorite Five-O episodes on the IMDb here:

http://imdb.to/oHvWW9 (despite appearances it is a bit.ly shortened link)

Of the twenty-four episodes on my list, six, or a full 25% of them, were written by Alvin Sapinsley. Of course four of them are the "Vashon" episodes. But the other two are "One Big Happy Family" and "Skinhead" (from a story by Will Lorin). Overall, it's a list of credits that's hard to beat.

Added: Sunday 14 August 2011 19:11:10 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

Watched TROUBLE IN MIND last night and was reminded how absolutely top notch this episode is. The writing, directing, cinematography, music, all first rate.

Directed by Danny Arnold, his one & only Five-O project. Written by Mel Goldberg who's Five-O credits read almost like a "Best Of" list. So, it got me thinking, which writer has the highest number of quality episodes to his credit. Is there a "Best Writer" for Five-O?

Added: Sunday 14 August 2011 11:53:47 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Yeah. I'm here.

Re: "In just one season, CBS’s hit show Hawaii Five-O ***has become one of the most watched police dramas of television history." - - -

That would be me, looking for Jack Lord to speed up to the crime scene in Michael Timothy's car. Dang, it ain't happened, yet!!! What gives???

Added: Saturday 13 August 2011 14:11:06 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

time for AOL to wear the black leisure this season.

gonna check out INVITATION TO MURDER tonite.

Added: Friday 12 August 2011 17:00:56 MST


Submitted by: alpha128
From: the IMDb

"If you want to expand your pages of 'actors who appeared in multiple Five-O episodes'... a good candidate would be Linda Ryan... I always thought Linda was an attractive woman." - alpha128 (me)

"Agreed on Linda Ryan; she's beautiful!" - Steven from Miami

Since writing my original post, I discovered that Linda's son Eric Ryan (who appeared in "Presenting...in the Center Ring...Murder";) has a Youtube channel with three clips of his mother's Five-O appearances:

http://bit.ly/pJmTzG

Added: Friday 12 August 2011 16:32:11 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

"In just one season, CBS’s hit show Hawaii Five-O ***has become one of the most watched police dramas of television history*** [!!!].

Nothing more than some conjured-up ad copy. Paid placement in an "article" on a trade website.

Added: Friday 12 August 2011 12:33:20 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

"In just one season, CBS’s hit show Hawaii Five-O ***has become one of the most watched police dramas of television history*** [!!!]" -- Someone help me! I'm dying from laughter here! :D :D

Obviously comparing this show to the old show is a bit difficult - different times, different sensibilities and all that. So let's take a "modern" show that I have in my collection. A show like "24" will wipe the floor with the new Five-0. A five-minute segment of "24" has more depth and suspense than new Five-0 does in its entire season! And Kiefer Sutherland does better acting in his sleep than AOL does wide awake!

Funny stuff though. :D What will they think of next?

Added: Friday 12 August 2011 12:05:51 MST


Submitted by: Steven
From: Miami

"If you want to expand your pages of "actors who appeared in multiple Five-O episodes" beyond Jimmy Borges and Elissa Dulce, a good candidate would be Linda Ryan."

Another performer to consider is Jo Pruden, who appeared in ten episodes.

Agreed on Linda Ryan; she's beautiful!

Added: Friday 12 August 2011 10:52:11 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: here and now....

"In just one season, CBS’s hit show Hawaii Five-O ***has become one of the most watched police dramas of television history*** [!!!]. "

Well, I think that is a pretty ostentatious comment without any hard stats to back it up. But I would concede the statement that the new 5-0 is probably one of the most dvr'd shows ever. All four main characters have the ability to send a unintelligible vocal blurp right by you at light speed. I've had to back stuff up between 5 to 10 times before catching the gist of some lines. I think Kona is the most often repeat offender.

Added: Friday 12 August 2011 10:33:31 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Oh really?

http://catalogs.infocommiq.com/AVCat/CTL1642/index.cfm?manufacturer=lectrosonics&prid=6121

Honolulu, Oahu, Hawaii – August 2011… In just one season, CBS’s hit show Hawaii Five-O ***has become one of the most watched police dramas of television history*** [!!!]. Filmed on location on Oahu, the show takes full advantage of the island’s stunning terrain. From the white sand beaches to the highest cliffs, this show’s action takes place seemingly everywhere. Capturing the show’s dialog is a task that requires equipment capable of delivering under some very challenging conditions and that’s precisely why Lectrosonics wireless microphone technology is on the job.

Added: Thursday 11 August 2011 13:16:07 MST


Submitted by: busy buzz
From: malaysia

i don't like the new 5-0. They just have no class. Bit like a bunch of kids trying to do a man's job. Give me Jack Lord anytime - now, that's a man. And he has class n character. This new bunch - perhaps they should have played the next generation - McGarrett's son or some such cos they just look so silly. As someone pointed out, a lot of technology which is good but so thin on character. Nah, I don't waste my time watching the new 5-0. I rather spend my time watching the old.

Added: Thursday 11 August 2011 10:12:40 MST


Submitted by: Big City Gal
From: NYC

Mr. Mike said...."What kind of baloney is this, Danno gets hot pants for some other woman than his now-departed wife (who he knocked up just before the end of last season)?"

Ok, I'm reading tea leaves here, but my thought is this particular relationship develops AFTER the Danny/Rachel thing gets resolved early in the season. I think the first three episodes are in the can with the fourth finishing up this week. So even if this actress comes in for the fifth ep, the writers have still had a long time to resolve Danny and Rachel's relationship. A relationship which I figured was doomed at the end of last season anyway.

Could also set up an interesting S2 conflict for Danny if both women play a role in his life. We'll see how it plays out.

Added: Wednesday 10 August 2011 21:02:18 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

http://www.tvline.com/2011/08/hawaii-five-0-autumn-reeser/

What kind of baloney is this, Danno gets hot pants for some other woman than his now-departed wife (who he knocked up just before the end of last season)?

There are a lot of interesting comments after this revelation (which is not too specific, actually) ... like these:

Hawaii 5-0 seriously need to get better writers and someone who understands the concept of storyline continuity. This show has great characters and the beauty and culture of oahu dont let it be taken down by horrible storytelling

This show is so terrible with continuity of characters, character growth, plot continuity…

How can a show with a cast this good be so bad? I tried to love it out of love for the actors, but my residual love for their former characters can only go so far.

Added: Wednesday 10 August 2011 17:58:42 MST


Submitted by: Steven
From: Miami

"Can someone tell me what is up with Duke in Season 12!"

In my review of S12's "Who Says Cops Don't Cry?", I mention the putrid group dynamic and how Duke was the odd man out:

"I appreciated the attempt at making the 12th season Five-O team somewhat closer in an overt way. Too bad the dynamic between the new team was only touched on fleetingly. I was disappointed that Duke was omitted from the final scene, when Kimo and Lori officially begin their time with Five-O, even though Duke was involved in the final shootout! However, that's probably a good thing since it's obvious to me that in his brief, awkward scenes with William Smith, Herman Wedemeyer has to bite his tongue to keep from exploding at his "No Respect" status and having to report to Kimo, who was already giving him orders despite not even being a full-fledged Five-O member!"

So yes, Duke had every reason to vanish for chunks at a time during S12, a time which should've given him the spotlight.

Added: Wednesday 10 August 2011 01:35:44 MST


Submitted by: alpha128
From: the IMDb

Hi Mike,

If you want to expand your pages of "actors who appeared in multiple Five-O episodes" beyond Jimmy Borges and Elissa Dulce, a good candidate would be Linda Ryan.

According to the IMDb, Linda Ryan appeared in eleven Five-O episodes. Furthermore in two of them she played the same character, a Dr. Judith Patrick. And although she can't compare to preeminent Five-O babe Elissa Dulce, I always thought Linda was an attractive woman.

Added: Tuesday 09 August 2011 19:25:56 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: ich bin ein Berliner

"After years of waiting they have finally announced to release original Hawaii Five-0 Season 1 on October 6th in Germany."

It must have taken CBS quite a while to translate "Book 'em, Danno!" into German.

Added: Tuesday 09 August 2011 09:30:34 MST


Submitted by: Birte
From: Germany

Hi, just imagine:
After years of waiting they have finally announced to release original Hawaii Five-0 Season 1 on October 6th in Germany.
http://amzn.to/qoQ2MU
Meanwhile I have bought all seasons from the UK (well, they released only 7 so far). But I will buy the German one, too.
Hopefully there will be enough customers so they will release more seasons!

Added: Sunday 07 August 2011 23:58:44 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

i said this before and i'll say it again: no one slams the phone better than Lord. COP ON THE COVER (B+)--bam!
we need to see AOL do some slamming phones and perhaps smash a cellphone in anger.

Added: Sunday 07 August 2011 13:27:51 MST


Submitted by: Brad Lloyd
From: t

Can someone tell me what is up with Duke in Season 12 !
He was in the season opener and then has basically vanished in the next 5 episodes except for a brief appearance for about 2 minutes.

Added: Saturday 06 August 2011 15:29:06 MST


Submitted by: Brad Lloyd
From: Tulsa, Oklahoma

Eitan,I had heard Al was let go because he was taller than Jack Lord, but Mossman was taller than both men so that's gotta be bogus.
I really liked Ben on the show and Al Harrington has a recurring character on the New H-50, which I really love..... the show, not Harrington.

Added: Saturday 06 August 2011 08:57:37 MST


Submitted by: Eitan Rapps
From: Israel

I've recently started watching the old Five-O episodes, and they are still fascinating, even more then they seemed more than 30 years ago, when I was a teenager. I don't like the new series. Much more technology, much less character (the new Chin Ho doesn't look like a father of eight, and I'd rather said nothing about the new Kono). I wonder what happened to Al Harrington in the 7th season, He only appeared in ten or eleven episodes, less than Douglas Mossman as Frank Kamana (who's not in the opening credits).

Added: Saturday 06 August 2011 06:23:20 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Patty Duke will guest star on a season two show of the new Five-0: http://bit.ly/pTb9tC

She looks a bit different than when she last appeared, in the original's episode Thanks for the Honeymoon.

Duke will play an Alzheimer’s-afflicted mother of a murder victim. When the Five-0 team go to deliver the notification, they learn her condition has her believing that her adult son is actually still a child. For a while, the team shields her from the news, but ultimately she must confront her devastating loss.

Also, TV Guide reports that Peter Fonda will guest star: http://bit.ly/onyaVo

He will reportedly appear as a salty treasure-hunting sea captain who preys on suckers and bilks them out of millions.

Added: Friday 05 August 2011 21:41:35 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

the new entertainment weekly issue with the cast of the film THE HELP on the cover has pics of the shows filming their new seasons like GOSSIP GIRL, DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES and 5-0

good pics here , AOL in orange prison garb behind the glass partition

a group pic with AOL, Caan, Kim, Dr Max, Park with a new hairdo, Danno's daughter, Kamekona and 5-0 crew

another with Danno shaking hands with Kamekona and the reunion of Kim and LOST's terry o'quinn wearing a brown longsleeve shirt that is whoa ! hot in hawaii. the 2 are walking thru a parking lot. no pics of jenna kaye? damn!
check it out.

Added: Friday 05 August 2011 13:36:03 MST


Submitted by: Big City Gal
From: NYC

Fun with mashups....

Hawaii Five-0 - Intro - Mission Impossible Style
http://bit.ly/reNCno

Added: Thursday 04 August 2011 20:31:00 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Here and there and everywhere

Re: the red herring in "Full Fathom Five," the two women bore a strong resemblance to one another. I thought the same person might have played both parts, but not so, say the credits. They got a lot of mileage out of that herring.

Mr. Mike comments: Yes, I noticed the resemblance between the two women as well. Anne Hayes, the woman who gets knocked off in the teaser, is played by Jane Thorpe. I wonder if she was any relation to casting director (and sometime actor on the show) Ted or Geoffrey, who played a couple of the kid parts during the show? I have uploaded my "boring anal-ysis" of the show, BTW: http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/5-0log1.htm#1

Added: Thursday 04 August 2011 18:00:44 MSTf


Submitted by: Brad Lloyd
From: Tulsa, Oklahoma

Dave H., I have wondered the same thing from season 10-12 !
No Che Fong or Manicote and few appearances by the Doc. !
What we did get was a whole lot more of the Governor those last 3 seasons and they should have put his mug on the cover of season 11 and not Bergman !

Added: Thursday 04 August 2011 16:12:21 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I have gone back to episode #1 and am subjecting it to even more strenuous anal-ysis. I noted something interesting. About a minute and a half into the episode, where Anne Hayes drops dead from the effect of the poison, there is a shot from the side as Reece leans over to keep her from hitting the deck (I dunno why he really cares about this, actually). Behind him, as the boat goes up and down, there is this thing that looks like a parking meter. It is not attached to the boat, because if it was, it would go up and down with the boat, but it is fixed in place -- like something at a dock, where this scene was likely being filmed, instead of out in the middle of the ocean like other scenes during the teaser. (See photo by clicking here.) Other interesting facts about this first episode: 1) to those people (like me) who complain about the red herrings in the current season, there is a big fat red herring in this show, namely, a woman who is presumed to be missing (and a victim of Reece) is NOT ... she is hanging out with a bunch of hippies; 2) Danno gives his boss some mouth, like a sarcastic reply that "Forgery was my best subject"; 3) Chin Ho tails someone far too closely, the beginning of a trend!

Added: Thursday 04 August 2011 14:23:04 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: Hotspot, USA

"First, the person who did this collar bomb (which was a hoax bomb) has NOT BEEN CAUGHT! So how would we know what motivated this person?"

For that matter, how did they know that the person who hung him/herself was motivated by "BORED..." unless they said 30 seconds before they did it..."Hey, y'all, watch this!! I saw this on Five-0 the other day"....

Bottom line is this... if CBS gets sued over it, they'll capitulate, and then that ep will be deleted from the dvds....

That aside, I thought the bomb-collar ep was one of the most tense, thrilling and overall engaging eps of this past season. Chin's facial expression with that bomb on his neck was unbelievable...it's like he knew he was doomed.

Added: Thursday 04 August 2011 13:13:26 MST


Submitted by: Dave H.
From: Omaha

Mr. Mike, do you know why the characters Che Fong, Doc Bergman, and Manicote were phased out of the show during the later years? I really missed Che's lab prowess, Doc's medical know-how, and John's legal expertise. Thank you.

Mr. Mike comments: The answer to your question is "No."

Added: Thursday 04 August 2011 12:33:48 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

The rumoured reason that Bored She Hung Herself was banned was because someone tried to emulate the yoga-related hanging technique in the episode and killed themselves. Relatives of this person launched a lawsuit against CBS or whoever, and a deal was struck to ban the episode to avoid costly litigation. (This explanation is entirely speculative, you realize.) Now, where is the cause and effect with this Australian business? Is there any Five-O connection whatsoever? First, the person who did this collar bomb (which was a hoax bomb) has NOT BEEN CAUGHT! So how would we know what motivated this person? HELLO!

Added: Thursday 04 August 2011 10:09:22 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: H1.0 Forever, I'm still here too!

"Collar/neck bombs were not an invention of TV. They have been used by drug cartels and terrorists around the world long before they showed up in entertainment."

Hanging surely wasn't invented with the ep, "Bored, She Hung Herself", but nonetheless, it (the ep) was banned from being ever reshown or being released in Season 2's DVD package.

Added: Thursday 04 August 2011 09:37:46 MST


Submitted by: Oscar van Hemel
From: Seattle, WA

"viewers need to take responsibility for their actions"

For example, turning off the TV if they don't like watching something! :!wondering:

Added: Thursday 04 August 2011 09:34:33 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

I read stories on this hoax (some from Australia), and there is no indication that it was inspired by the Five-0 episide where Chin Ho had a bomb attached to his neck (was this broadcast recently in Australia?). The Prime Minister was quoted in the paper as saying "It's like a Hollywood script -- the kind of thing you would see at the cinema or on TV." Must be a slow news day in Australia if that's the kind of thing reporters ask her about. History is full of people reacting badly to things they see in works of literature and political manifestos, in movies and on TV, from the recent Looney Tune who massacred people in Norway on down. Maybe the Bible should be banned because God told Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac (ignoring the fact that at the last minute the Angel of God told Abraham not to)?

Added: Thursday 04 August 2011 09:24:57 MST


Submitted by: Big City Gal
From: NYC

"I guess by now everyone has heard about the remake copycat who put a bomb collar on a woman in Australia. This is a good example of why Hollywood needs to take responsibility for the shows / movies it produces - and, equally, why viewers need to take responsibility for their actions."

How in the world did you jump to the conclusion that the "H50" ep inspired the Australian incident? Or that the person who perpetrated the scare (which turned out NOT to be a bomb) was influenced by ANY form of popular entertainment?

Collar/neck bombs were not an invention of TV. They have been used by drug cartels and terrorists around the world long before they showed up in entertainment. Probably the most prolific use has been by Colombian drug cartels to exact revenge on those who don't pay extortion money or to intimidate civilians to go along with cartel orders. This hideous practice has been going on for well over a decade there.

So to say this Australian criminal was influenced by "H50" or any other TV/movie before knowing details regarding their background and/or reasoning is pure hooey.

"So, I guess the remake now has an episode that will never be shown again or included in DVDs."

All episodes from S1 are included in the DVD box set coming out in September. And I'm highly doubtful this incident will have ANY effect on repeat status. "CSI: Miami" did an extremely graphic episode with a collar bomb that has been repeated extensively even though a US bank robber in 2003 lost his life to one and scores of Colombian civilians have died due to them.

Added: Thursday 04 August 2011 08:30:02 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Yeah. I'm still here.

I guess by now everyone has heard about the remake copycat who put a bomb collar on a woman in Australia. This is a good example of why Hollywood needs to take responsibility for the shows / movies it produces - and, equally, why viewers need to take responsibility for their actions. So, I guess the remake now has an episode that will never be shown again or included in DVDs.

Added: Thursday 04 August 2011 06:11:39 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Yep! I'm still here.

I caught that. Don Over was Josie Over's husband, wasn't he?

Added: Wednesday 03 August 2011 13:26:43 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

Jack Lord did appear on the witness stand at the beginning of "Jury of One," relating some deathbed testimony which was supposed to help convict the guy on trial. You can see a picture of this on the page about the Honolulu trial (link below).

It is interesting that in the Advertiser article, Lord asked "local businessman Don Over" for his opinion on the company which wanted to sell the Five-O shirts. This is presumably the same Don Over who played the stern judge in "Jury of One."

Added: Wednesday 03 August 2011 11:33:45 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Hey Mike, I watched "The Last Eden" last night and just checked out your anal-ysis of this episode. But I was surprised by the following comment that you wrote, which you considered to be a problem/goof:

"What is the significance of the fact that the heckling patron that Jimmy beats up at the beginning of the show is Zane, one of Colfax's employees (other than the fact the producers were too cheap to hire another actor to play this part)?"

This isn't a goof or an oversight at all. In fact it plays perfectly in the setup of Jimmy. Zane (Robert Luck) is Colfax's muscle. It only makes sense that Colfax ordered him to heckle Jimmy, knowing full well that Jimmy's hot temper would get the better of him and a fight would most surely ensue. And what better way to display Jimmy's violent nature than to have a bunch of folks witness Jimmy beating the crap out of someone? So it makes more sense plot-wise to see one of Colfax's boys start a fight with Jimmy than some random heckler. After all, Colfax wanted to see a fight in front of many witnesses and he couldn't wait around and hope that some random guy would start heckling Jimmy. So it has absolutely nothing to do with having a shortage of actors and resorting to using Robert Luck as both the heckler and Colfax's muscle. Zane (Luck) heckled Jimmy because Colfax told him to - it's part of the frame-up. No goof/oversight/sloppy writing here at all as far as I can see. Makes perfect sense.

Mr. Mike comments: OK, I see your point...

Added: Wednesday 03 August 2011 10:14:03 MST


Will
From: Washington, DC

I'm pretty sure McGarrett is on the witness stand at the beginning of S5's "Jury Of One".

PS -- Speaking of the beginning of episodes, I was watching S6's "Try To Die On Time" a little while ago. The episode begins in the country club party room and the very first shot focuses on a ceiling light fixture before panning out to capture the Harry Foxton party. It struck me as very familiar to the opening of "V for Vashon: The Son", where I believe a similar technique was employed in the hotel lobby. Both episodes were directed by Charles Dubin. Was this a known technique of his? Are there other 5-0 examples?

Added: Wednesday 03 August 2011 09:06:47 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

After a quick scan though O.U.A.T. I and II... it appears McG doesn't actually take the stand in this ep. Oh well, back to the Five-O laboratory.

Added: Wednesday 03 August 2011 07:02:55 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: Just sorta wandering around, I guess

McGarrett did not testify in "Once Upon a Time." He sat at the witness table the whole time.

He did testify. I can see him in my mind's eye, but I can't place the episode. In any case, he was much cooler than he was in the article Mike posted. It's that personal involvement that gets you.

He also served on a jury. We'll see that in Season 11, when it comes out, in "The Case Against Philip Christie."

Added: Wednesday 03 August 2011 06:18:19 MST


Submitted by: Barbara
From: CHICAGO

Thanks, Mr. Mike, for the link about Jack Lord's courtroom appearance. Very, very funny!

Added: Tuesday 02 August 2011 23:40:44 MST


Submitted by: Rick
From: Newport Beach

Mr. Mike, that's some funny stuff... I can just see JL delivering those lines.

"By the way, can anyone think of any episodes where McGarrett was on the witness stand in court?"

Well... ONCE UPON A TIME is the first one that comes to mind.

Added: Tuesday 02 August 2011 19:49:20 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

A very funny story about Jack Lord making an appearance in court in Honolulu:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/jlcourt.htm

By the way, can anyone think of any episodes where McGarrett was on the witness stand in court?

Added: Tuesday 02 August 2011 18:37:38 MST


Submitted by: Brad Lloyd
From: Tulsa, Oklahoma

Thanks for the info. "Forever", so I guess JMac had already made other plans or may have come back for season 12.
I have noticed in 2-3 straight early episodes, Duke is nowhere to be seen and we mostly get Lori and Carew.
It is really painful to watch her !

Added: Monday 01 August 2011 20:13:43 MST


Submitted by: H50 1.0 FOREVER
From: I dunno. Can someone tell me?

Actually, Jack did want to end the series with Season 11. According to an article I read, written at the end of Season 10, he said he was going to approach the network and tell them Season 11 would be the last. Apparently, the cast (possibly, the crew, too) believed it would be the last season and made other plans, for Season 12 appears to have been put together as though a last-minute re-building effort was made. Thank goodness, Wedey and Moe were available. Sadly, JMac was not.

I read another article that talked about how the stress got to Jack. The article said he received a telephone call in the middle of a dinner party about a problem on the show and tensed up noticeably. The trouble began when Len died and so much more pressure was heaped upon Jack. Well, we've all commented on how much he aged, especially in the last three seasons and, most of all, Season 12, I think. I'm not surprised he took down his shingle. No doubt, he was ready to make some major changes in his life. Although I could watch his work all day, I'm glad he knew when it was time to bow out.

Even in an early article (early 1960s), he said, "You have to be a maniac to be in this business and a dedicated maniac to survive." Few really survive it, after all. For every Helen Hayes, who loves it to the end, many, many more bow out as soon as their bank accounts will allow it. We are seeing why.

Added: Monday 01 August 2011 18:53:36 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

With regard to speculation about remastering of season 12, and possible Netflix vs. DVD issues, one of my spies reports:

I noticed tonight that S12's "Good Help is Hard to Find" looked absolutely amazing (like Season 1 amazing). I hadn't watched this one previously on Netflix, so I wondered if it was a fluke or not. So, I went back and checked "Who Says Cops Don't Cry", which I checked out a month ago, and at the time, it looked like a horrible, dark, TV print. Well, not anymore....it looked absolutely pristine as well. Therefore, it appears that perhaps CBS hadn't finished remastering Season 12 last month when Netflix started running them, but they now seem to be swapping the crappy versions out with the new versions in their place. This bodes VERY WELL for the Season 12 DVD release. Like Season 11, I've NEVER seen these episodes look so good. Now if only they could improve the stories, acting, etc.

Added: Monday 01 August 2011 16:37:39 MST


Submitted by: L.B.
From: U.S.A.

Brad,

CBS took awhile before deciding to renew the series for the 12th season. I also believe that MacArthur decided to leave the series after that decision was made, as Lord expressed frustration with having to rewrite scripts and scenes that he was in for the 12th season. From what I have read, Lord intended to retire after the 12th season, and it would have been hard to have persuaded him to continue with the series.

While easy to analyze in hindsight, I have always believed that the series should have called it a day after the 10th season. That was the season that began the series' decline, however that decline would not have been as noticeable without the last two seasons for comparison. Meeting the 10-year mark is an important milestone for any series. Furthermore, they would have produced a much better concluding episode involving Wo Fat in 1978 than happened in 1980, and Chin's character would not have been killed off.

As for season 12, I agree that the season goes down quickly after the season premiere. While all of the new characters had limitations for sure, the biggest problem was that the show had run its' course, and the scripts were very weak by almost any standard outside of the season premiere. None of the episodes would have been markedly better if Danny, Chin, and Kono were substituted for Kimo, Lori, or Truck in the cast. The magic was totally gone.

Added: Monday 01 August 2011 15:34:57 MST


Submitted by: Mr Hiram
From: NYC

enjoyed THE 9TH STEP with pre Buck Rogers star Gil Gerard. note the awful toupee on Lord's stunt double when Gil steals the van to chase the criminals

Added: Monday 01 August 2011 14:37:47 MST


Submitted by: Brad Lloyd
From: Tulsa, Oklahoma

Just started season 12 on Netfix and after the season premiere the show went downhill really fast especially with the addition of the awful Lori Wilson character.

Did Lord ever consider ending the show after season 11 when McArthur left or did he possibly consider extending it after season 12 but dropped it due to bad ratings.

Season 12 is the predecessor ti all the horrible 1980s TV dramas like Knight Rider, Simon & Simon and The A Team !

Added: Monday 01 August 2011 12:43:30 MST


Submitted by: big H
From: Raleigh

Thank you, LB, for stating so eloquently what I failed to do with regards to the 5-0/HSB debate. In comparing the two five-ohs, overall I would have to give the edge to 1.0 in categories like score and plot, while 2.0 would take the lead in categories like raw action, scenery and stunts....that is, comparing just season 1 to season 1 (apples to apples). We'll have to see how the following seasons develop with 2.0, but I have to also agree that I'm not too fond of these 2.0 "side-plots" into which 5-0 1.0 rarely digressed.

Added: Monday 01 August 2011 12:36:26 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Yeah, I agree about classic film scores being snubbed by the Academy. It's almost a disgrace that the legendary Jerry Goldsmith only won one Oscar - for THE OMEN. And I agree that his BOYS FROM BRAZIL score is fantastic! The film is pretty crappy but the music is ace! Although my favorite score from 1978 is actually Goldsmith's CAPRICORN ONE! Can't get enough of it - it has this awesome eerie, conspiratorial, and at the same time epic sound to it! I have the film on DVD and listened to the commentary by director Peter Hyams who says it's his favorite Goldsmith score. The score is outstanding indeed and the film is probably my favorite from the 70s. Outside the Bond films of course.

And look at 1988 - Dave Grusin (a lightweight in my book) wins Best Score that year for THE MILAGRO BEANFIELD WAR while the legendary Ennio Morricone is overlooked for his magnificent score for CINEMA PARADISO. Travesty I tell ya! :!devil: Or just this past year - some dude wins Best Score for THE SOCIAL NETWORK (a movie about Facebook for crying out loud!) while Hans Zimmer's outstanding score for INCEPTION is snubbed.

Added: Monday 01 August 2011 10:14:10 MST


Submitted by: Mr. Mike
From: Vancouver

To me, the classic example which showed that the Oscars (and most other awards shows) were full of shit was in 1979, when Giorgio Moroder's throwaway score for Midnight Express won over these other films:

The Boys from Brazil: Jerry Goldsmith (one of JG's best scores ever)
Days of Heaven: Ennio Morricone (kind of iffy, but a nice score)
Heaven Can Wait: Dave Grusin (the lightweight contender)
Superman: John Williams (definitely a quality score!)

Added: Monday 01 August 2011 09:48:38 MST


Submitted by: ringfire211
From: Philadelphia

Yeah, the Emmy awards are just like the Oscars - absolutely meaningless. It's all about who scratches whose back! I mean how else do you explain pap like CHICAGO or BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN winning multiple Oscars while superior films fall by the wayside? The Emmy awards are no different. Ooooo - look, it's a custody battle between 2 fellow police officers. That's definitely Emmy material right there! If you ask me that's soap opera material and has no business winning Emmy awards. Unless it's the Daytime Emmys.

Added: Monday 01 August 2011 09:06:50 MST


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